July 14, 2025 • 50 mins
If this episode felt like the end, that’s because it ALMOST WAS!
Sophia and Joy share behind-the-scenes drama, suppressed feelings, and the unspoken code of conduct they were expected to follow. Hear why the future of the show was on shaky ground, the toll it took on the cast, and what it’s like to finally unpack the pleasure and the pain of growing up on TV.
Plus, a SURPRISE ANNOUNCEMENT from your Drama Queens that you don't want to miss!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, friends, We've got a big announcement.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
This is so exciting.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I feel like we've gone too long without really dishing
any hot goss and I yeah, like we owe it
to the listeners today to just break them off a
juicy piece of goss.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I love it served piping hot.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
He wants to be the one to open this gift.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Go on, Sophia, I see your excited smile.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I was about to be like, we all look so
excited about it. Guys, really, not only has it been
too long since we had, as Rob said, hot goss
for you, but we feel like it's been too long
since we've all been on stage with you.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
So we've made some very exciting plans, and we hope
that you'll all make those plans with us. We're going
to be in Wilmington at Trick.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
And we will be performing a three person production of
The Emperor's New Clothes. It'll be four hours of very
confusing acting. Now what we'd be doing there. We will
be a recording our finale episode live with all of you.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It makes me emotional.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
You said finale in my heart like broke.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
That's the bitter part.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
The sweet part is that we get to share it
with all the fans.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah, that's true, That's true.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That's what makes it so special.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
We love you, guys, We love all the support that
you've brought to us over the years, not just for
Drama Queens, but Winter Hill in general. I mean, you've
been with us on this ride for so long, so
we really want to celebrate the end of this part
of Drama Queens with you, and we just hope that
you'll that you'll come out. So we've had some more
details here.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yes, we will be there. Thanks to our friends who
organize the most wonderful conventions that let us all come home.
We will be doing a live show at the next
convention on Saturday, November first. It'll be at seven pm,
and as Joy mentioned, we're doing this at trick Feels correct.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Listen and it starts at seven. Who knows when it's
good end Because all three of us love to talk.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
We can get we can get it, we can get
a little along with it, you know what I mean.
And it's going to be fun and none of us
want this to end, so maybe we just pull an
all nighter. I don't know, is what.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm lock in.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'll lock in, Oh my God, Yes, so fun. And
it's exciting too, because getting to do this on a
convention weekend means we get to be together. It means
so many of our other castmates will be there. It
means so many of you are already coming to Wilmington.
So if you're on the fence, get off it and
book a ticket and come and join us.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Get off your fence already, Get off that fence.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Here's where you're gonna get your tickets.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
It's ot H merch dot com slash Events o t
H Merch m e r c H dot com slash Events.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
There's all sorts of tickets and packages and things, and yeah,
maybe it turns into a lock in.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Are you a fancy listener?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Guess what?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
There are VIP packages just for you.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Rob, you don't say, oh I do. So that's the finale.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It's just using.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Fun energy we're gonna be bringing to Wilmington.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
What if we whispered the entire finale, if we just did.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
This we did, we say, everyone get your snacks out now,
because we don't want any crinkling of paper.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's lulla by time. Yes, guys, we don't know what's
gonna happen, but we know it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
It's gonna be great.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Get your tickets now, all right, SOF and I are
going to go into this episode. Rob's on set. He's
gonna run back out. We love you, We're gonna miss
see you on this one. But well, thanks for talking yea.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I love you guys. By good luck out there. Okay,
let's do it.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl,
all about them.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
High school queens. We'll take you for a ride and
our comic girl.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
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Speaker 6 (04:20):
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Speaker 1 (04:30):
Hi. Everyone, we're.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Season finale, Yes, yes, season season We're not there yet.
I am starting to like get that feeling though, that
I had at the end of production where I'm like, no,
I'm not ready.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I know, I know this was This was emotional for
me to watch and also strange because I knew it.
I know it's not the end. But as a viewer
back then, like and as an actor on the show,
we didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Know, we didn't know thought that this was going to
be it. We should also probably mention it's not that
we're not leaving any room for Rob to talk.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
He's not here today.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
He is filming a movie at the moment. We're very
excited for him, but it also feels really weird to
not have him to talk about the episode with because
it is the season finale.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
I know, and he had so much great stuff in
this season. Well, he'll just have to wag in on
the next one at the beginning of season nine. But
for now, we've got episode twenty two, This is My House,
This is My Home, which aired in May twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The synopsis reads, as Brooke and Haley prepare to reopen
Karen's cafe, Oh my god, it makes me so emotional.
Mayvan and Clay hit the road looking for new prospective clients. Meanwhile,
Chase leaves for the Air Force, leaving a disappointed Alex
and Chuck behind, and Mouth and Millicent begin their new
morning show together.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I loved this morning show, love it so much, so
so much.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's the best.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I'm so it was such a great idea that I
wish they had come up with it sooner. Because I
feel like we could have done so much an entire
I mean, they could have done a spin off, to
be honest, there was just so much material that could
have been done. But I love the two of them
the Treill Morning Show. We've been waiting so eight years
(06:25):
for this to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yes, and they're just so good together. And I think
the way that we've seen them growing as a couple
but also as these unlikely business partners in a way
through the end of this season and that gorgeous crescendo
moment where she turns the mic over to him at
the end of the last episode and everyone obviously sobbed
(06:50):
and on the fly.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
He just has these perfectly poetic, such beautiful things to say,
and he pulled it off that it didn't feel scripted
or planned, just flowed from who Marvin is.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It felt so nice. It was such a highlight moment
for me of the episode, you know, watching Lee and
Lisa together and it does they just feel like they're
in this perfect spot. I want this morning show in
real life.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yes, Yes, And it feels you know you said this
in the previous podcast, that all of our characters feel
settled now, And I see that with Mouth and Milly,
that they brought us to that point where finally, after
everything they've been through individually and together, they're finally just
settled in with each other. That when she gets this
(07:45):
opportunity to do a job somewhere else, it's almost not
even surprising that she comes back. She's just like, you know, no,
you're my person. This is where I want to be.
When am I climbing a ladder that I never even
tried to be on in the first place?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Like what for what?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I just want to be with you? And that's the
beauty of what life is about. And so much of
what our show is about is appreciating what you have
in your own backyard. And we're living in a modern culture,
especially in America, where we're just trying to climb ladders
all the time, and at some point it's like, can
we just enjoy what we have? Like what's wrong with that?
(08:21):
Can that just be meaningful enough?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah? So, like where you live, be with your people,
you know, And it's really nice too. I'm enjoying that.
We are starting to see Jamie step into his young
boyhood in a way that feels reminiscent of the stories
(08:44):
when we first met our characters Hayley and Lucas and
Peyton and Nathan and Brooke, and they would talk about
growing up in Tree Hill. They would talk about building
igloos at eight and you know, playing basketball with the
other kids and all of these things. We're seeing Jamie
enter into that, you know, seven year old range and
(09:06):
he's doing the things his parents did when when they
were little, and it's really it's a it's a full circle.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Is he only seven? Gosh? I feel like he seems
like he's.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Eleven, like ten or eleven? Now did they say he
was seven? Oh my gosh, he seems so much older
to me.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I just remember the drama of liking somebody at that age. Yeah,
like that it made it feel like ten or eleven,
I don't think. Yeah. Because also Nathan lets him go
for a walk by himself in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
So he might be approaching ten. So yeah, really the
ages that you've heard us tell stories about each other,
and I just I don't know, it's so sweet seeing
him in that space and also using his voiceover more
and more ever since the Baseball episode opening on him
(10:02):
talking about being raised in a magic time by musicians
in a web of magic. Like it's just it's every
bit of the nostalgia that we need after eight seasons.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah, they really brought it, brought it full circle.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Brook's also grown a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I feel like, just in between these last two episodes,
I mean, it was Puerto Rico and then the next
thing we know, she's seven months pregnant.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So that was the really interesting thing about this episode
is that we start moving through the pregnancy, and after
every commercial break we skip, So it's you see two
months on the wall, and then they trace three, and
then you see four, and then they're tracing five. And
so we used this episode thinking it would be the
(10:55):
series finale to cover the ten months of her pregnancy,
so you see almost the whole year go by in
the episode. Yeah, which is why in the beginning she's like,
I think I'm showing and he's like, you're skinny, and
she's made. And then later later he says, you know,
(11:17):
when he's tracing the five month belly, he goes, look
how bad you are.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
It's so sweet.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I really love I love watching Broke and Julian too.
They've gotten to a point where they're settled and where
they even without the pregnancy, they would have been okay,
and so it just feels like a bonus.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Do you remember how you had to wear a big
pregnancy belly. I guess you had to wear lots of
different paths in that were they uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
It was interesting trying to figure it out, you know,
how to tell the story of a pregnancy in one episode,
let alone a pregnancy with twins. Yeah, so we basically
had raw of all the different sized bumps. And then
I remember even when we did the scene where I
think I'm showing and I'm like, look, I chugged too,
(12:11):
like two or three bottles of water to just to
get my bladder, and then like we're trying to shoot
the scene and I'm desperate. I desperately had to pee.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh no, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It didn't make sense to be like are you showing?
Are you not? Did you eat a burrito? Like you
wouldn't do a fake belly for that, but alone a
prosthetic one with me lifting up my shirt. So that
was a lot of water. And then I remember they
started putting me in padded bras and then we started
to go up in the belly size, and then the
(12:45):
twin bellies are really big and they sort of sit differently,
so then I would then I would start when I
was doing those scenes, like keeping bowls of snacks on
fake belly and using it as like a little table
for my cheese. It's on my pret sauce, which was great.
It's great, like, oh, this is kind of cool. This
(13:06):
is like one of the only perks I think the
girls get.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah, you only had to wear those pads, like, uh,
we had one it was one offs and it was
one episode, and there was multiple at different times. Oh man,
when Haley was pregnant with Jamie, I had to be
in that stink and pregnancy belly for so many episodes.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
It's hot. It was hot for me.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That's what people don't realize. They're made of a really
dense foam and like a pillow, they're but worse like
dense squishy, yeah, mattress poper foam. Yes, kind of like that,
and they're hot. And then when we did the scene
where we're doing the ultrasound and we discover its twins,
(13:47):
we had to do the prosthetic right, and so then
it all gets glued to your belly and it's just oh,
you're just covered in like plastic and glue and stick,
and oh it was terrible. It was disgusting, but so
cute in the episode.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yes it worked, it was great. But speaking of the
doctor or you know, finding out being in the hospital,
finding out the doctor who helps you, it is this
same doctor that was like helping Nathan with his back.
I know, Goes, I've only been doing.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
This for thirty five years, and I'm like, I thought
you were an orthopedic specialist.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
What, yeah, guess not. That was That was a really
funny fumble. I'm so surprised that nobody. Nobody got that.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, I was a little bit when he came on screen.
I went, oh, interesting, interesting, likely right, all.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Of this stuff in Karen's Cafe was great. And I
remember I think I was actually still of aired in May.
I had either just had Maria or I was still pregnant,
because I think I was still pregnant in the Puerto
Rico episode, which is why I couldn't go.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Well Puerto Rico at the end of the season, remember,
which was when that was the whole thing. We you left.
We basically shot everything in eight twenty and then in
the finale that you weren't in. And then we went
to Puerto Rico at the very end of the season,
at the end of April. It was the last thing
(15:20):
we shot was Puerto Rico, and then everybody went home.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I don't know, I looked still pregnant, but also when
you actually have a baby, you still look pregnant for
a good couple of months after.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, And that was also one of the really surreal things,
which always is obviously about when an actor has to
play a pregnancy but obviously isn't pregnant. It was very
surreal to just be like adding the belly and the
boobs to brook but you know, I wasn't pregnant. I
wasn't gaining weight in you know, my arms and my
(15:53):
face and my lips and all the day it happened
to women and you had just had a baby. And
I remember there would be days where we'd be on
set together and just be like, this is so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Like this is real, realistic.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Well, look, there are women in the world who managed
to carry their babies like basketballs and they drop them
and their bodies kind of bounce back. I mean, that's
God bless them. I don't think that's the majority, but
it happens, so Brooke gets to be one of those people.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Well blessed for her.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I don't think those are, but yeah, I remember.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I think I was still pregnant in Puerto rican when
you guys went to Puerto Rico. But yeah, it was
so nice to see and I was so grateful on
set that they were keeping me in one location, but
to see Karen's Cafe coming back, and I wish we
had been able to get Moira back for the last
episode in some way, just to sort of give us
(16:47):
her Karen's Cafe blessing. I did feel like we missed that,
especially since we got Dan. But I was so happy
to see us go back to Karen's Cafe revital like that.
That felt as much as we had grown to love
close Over Bros. To see that that's going to have
a new iteration in some other way and that Karen's
(17:09):
Cafe gets to be alive again made me happy.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You have you been there in town recently to the spot?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, last time I was in Wilmington, we drove by.
It's like a it's an outdoor store.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, I think it's like a sports kind of like
an ri sports I know makes me sense, though I
really wish it was still Karen's.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I do too, But it was really sweet I think
for us to have that, especially because there's been so
much focus, you know on will Brook get to start
a family, Haley and Nathan having just had another baby,
this project for us as friends with our kids and
knowing that you know, they'll get to play on that roof,
(17:56):
just like I talked about and all these things. It
it feels like a homecoming and a next chapter at
the same time. And knowing that we thought this would
be the series finale. I just think it's exactly the
right decision.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yeah, would you do that with your friend? Like what
would you want to open? Is there a business you'd
want to open with your friends? If you got to
a place where you're like, you know what, I'm settling here.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
This is it.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I want to open up this thing, and like your
friends get to come work there and hang with their kids,
and what would you want to do.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So one of my best friends and I talk about
this all the time. We really want to open like
a gorgeous sandwich shop with great coffee that's also an
antique store.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Yes, this is like my dream. I wanted Anthropology to
have a coffee shop in it all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
They never do. But this is better because there's food.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
We want to do, like a great long meal lunch
spot where every every gorgeous thing in the restaurant is
also for sale, so we can rotate things through all
the time.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And is that ABC in New York? Have you been
to the ABC?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
There's like, yeah, ABC has their furniture store and then their.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Kitchen, but they're separate. I don't know which.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Came first, but yeah, they are separate. I mean because
one had to have a you know, a kitchen in it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, but it's great.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I love that spot that there's two restaurants now it's
they cover an entire block.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I think.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
So now you can go to one one on the
other side on one side, and one on the other side,
and then they've got that whole store you can shop in.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
But I like this idea. Where would you do it?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I mean, we'd probably do it here.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
We do it in New York, Yeah, in the city,
or a little like place outside of the city somewhere.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I mean, you know, my favorite part of Brooklyn has
been on my vision board forever. So if eventually that
becomes possible, that would be a dream. Yeah, and then
we'd be you know, she and I would be neighbors anyway,
which would be so fun. But I don't know, you know,
it also feels like the sort of thing that would potentially,
(20:05):
you know, depending on the neighborhood and the walkability, do
really well in la It could be a vibe in Chicago.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
It makes me think of Lily's Market, the Little Market
member downtown. It was, yeah, yes, she used to have
back when we were renting videos at Blockbuster. Still she
had a video rental wall and a clothing rack, and
a cheese refrigerator and wine local wines, and it was
(20:34):
just all these random things and I loved that place.
I'm so sad that they closed it.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
But she was this.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Young, she was probably in her mid twenties and she
had opened up this store. It did really well for
a while. It was downtown, right on the water in Wilmington,
the little market. Her name was Lily, Lily.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I loved that.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
That's been a little fantasy of mine one day to
just do something like that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I just think it's so cool. My girlfriend Lauren did
something similar in Chicago. She has this great shop called
Rider and it's vintage furniture, like incredible vintage furniture, art apothecary,
Candle's jewelry, Knew, like every kind of cool thing you
(21:17):
could want she has in one store. And she's an
interior designer.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Oh my gosh, I'm gonna be in Chicago next weekend.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Oh my god, I'll say, Oh, it's the best.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, And we we did my apartment there together, and
then we were literally planning on launching design services as
a duo, and then COVID hit and like everything shifted
and she wound up moving to France for two years
and like, but it was this moment in time. We
were about to do an apartment together in one of
(21:49):
the Emes buildings there. We were so excited and then
you know, the world had other plans. Yeah, but it's
just still something I think I have an itch for.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I would show up for your shop, whatever it is.
I would love to see whenever he carried. That would
be really fun.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I would love it.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Okay, we have to talk about speaking of Karen's Cafe Monomena.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
What was the deal?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
What in the world?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Why I remember us all being so confused, even James,
and credit to him, he committed so hard to that
he learned it. He was like a good sport about it.
But it was so bizarre. It felt like knowing everything
that we know, it felt to me like some sort
of weird retaliation against him for something who knows what,
(22:45):
but by the showrunner that like just whatever, for whatever reason,
and James got on his bad side for a minute
and just decided to write this ridiculous scene.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I just could not wrap my brain around why in
the world this happened me neither.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It felt really strange. It was it was it felt
like another toaster strude al moment, yes where I was like,
why keep wanting us to do this stuff? It's like
the high five, the toaster pastry, the monomena. I'm like,
what is this?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
It was so strange, and it wasn't just like fifteen
seconds of it. It was the entire song. I just
remember all of us being so confused. Even on the
day we were shooting. We were there on set and
James is doing it and I was like, what what
I think? He was just like, I don't know, let's
just get it over with like fine.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I just yeah, I just don't get it. And it's weird,
the sort of back and forth, you know, the stuff
that you can feel there's weird energy underneath, and then
the stuff that feels so pure, you know, as we're
watching Brooke go through this pregnancy and her and Julian
are so happy, and then the reviews come in for
(24:04):
his movie, Oh that was so sweet, and they're so beautiful.
There's such beautiful moments in the last episode. In this episode,
the writing really is phenomenal, and I'm just like, how
does how does this all exist in the same episode?
(24:25):
What's happening?
Speaker 4 (24:26):
And of all the things that they had, all the
material they had, like I would have taken two minutes
of Mouth and Millie hands down over Nathan doing monomena,
Like we already know he's a great dad.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
We have no need.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
It's not furthering the story anymore. It's not getting us anywhere.
I just don't know why it was written.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
It would have been just as easy to have him
up on that stage with Lydia in that little baby
born taking the mic and being like are you going
to sing like your mom? Are you going to be
a singer like your mom.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, and you watched it shot yeah, yeah, two.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Seconds a durable move on.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Maybe it was like one of those things like the
doggying the Heart where it's so ridiculous that the hope
was that it would get on the soup exactly, that
it would get on the soup, that it would get
like a little publicity for being so ridiculous. But at
least then eyeballs. Then the name of the show is
out there. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I wish James was here, but he would still be
classy about it even if he.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Was here, so he totally would be like, oh, it
was fine.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, next, let's talk about something else.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I love that toad the Wet Sprocket song that they
let me sing.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
But why do they let me play guitar?
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I am not a guitar player, Like I play enough
to just sort of, you know, get across an idea something,
But then you hire in real people. I have no
I I'm watching that, like, why why did they let
me actually play guitar? It's so bad? Why didn't they
just bring.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Somebody else in? It was so mad?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
But it was fun to sing that because I did
love that song. I loved that song in high school.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I did too. I thought it was so good. It
was a nice It did feel like a nice I
don't know, throwback in a way. Yeah, and the sort
of some of the music being a little older and
then something's feeling really fresh. It just again it all,
it all really feels like it's coming full circle, which
(26:39):
is interesting because then we do thirteen more episodes.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, it's so strange.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, But I will say, speaking of the music, I
was really glad we were back to Gavin for the
theme song you too.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I've been skipping the intro for so every weeks because.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I just can't. I can't either, I just can't do it.
So it was really nice to have the song that
we know and that imprinted on our show back.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
It was like taking a deep breath of relief when
I heard his voice come on.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Me too, like oh, thank god.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah. And then I also really liked that when we
got to Mouth and Millie in the morning and we
had had this beautiful moment knowing that Julian's movie you
Know is being so well reviewed. It's it all feels
like this kind of ground swell of excitement and then
it cuts to them and Alex's movie's coming out and
(27:34):
they're getting to talk about it on the air, and
then Janna's song is under it. Yeah, it all was
just so great.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Is this a movie we watched him shoot? Or am I? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
This is his This is his Alex Duprey movie. We
saw Sundance, but now it's coming out in theaters.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah, the Alex and Chase of it all.
Let's talk about them. Realistic not realistic? Are you sad
that he didn't choose Mia or she didn't choose him?
I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I think I do really think that Jana and Steven
are so great together and I just really enjoy watching them.
And I think for Mia and Chase to have been together,
she might have had to change her life in a
way that I don't want her to. I don't want
her to give up on touring and all the things,
(28:30):
you know, despite how sweet they are together as well,
Like there's something about the Alex and Chase that is
sticky for a reason, and I think that they're sweet.
Scene I mean, him saying meet me right here a
year from today was so lovely.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, it was. That was really sweet.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I still I still as much as they do have
good cam Janna and Stephen are great. I don't like Alex. Oh,
I just don't like Alex, right. I don't believe her
that she's changed at ever. She's like Dan, she just
is constantly. I don't know. This is a character who
is who has more often than not looked out for
(29:19):
themselves and adjusted their personality and her uh herself to
whatever it is that she actually wants to get. Rather
than just maintaining a consistent personality, a consistent character like
not character acting character, like a person, your your character
within you, she hasn't maintained any consistency in that regard,
(29:43):
and I just don't trust her and I don't like her.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry, everybody.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
No, I mean listen, I think I get it, and
I guess I'm part of me is like, oh do
I am I personalizing that I like Jana, you know,
to love Alex maybe a little. I don't know, but
I think there's there is there's always we always have
(30:09):
an ability to understand characters, you know, on shows. Sometimes
I think even better than we understand people because we
watch the characters, we watch them try to grow, we
watch them fail, we see them in moments we don't
see our friends or our family or whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
But I also hear, especially because we're watching episode to episode,
like you've got a list, You've got a list of
Alex's screw ups that you can't get over right there
in your brain. And yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yeah, like if she, if she was remorseful, if we
actually got to see some apologies and some real like
growth and not just an apology, but actually like making
real changes, I feel like maybe I could obviously I
would make space, but.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I don't know. I just yeah. Yeah, But you're right
that we.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Do watch characters differently than we watch each other because
we know it's only for a limited time. You can
watch every move, every detail, Yeah, unsupervised, and you know
that you're being taught a lesson in some way, you're
being told a story, and.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
You understand they're shortcomings in ways that we often don't
understand people's shortcomings in the world because we don't we
don't really get to see people struggle the way we
get to see our TV characters struggle.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Yeah, that's true. You're not there in private moments in
real life, but a camera can follow a character into
a private.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Exactly exactly, So I don't know. It's interesting. On the
one hand, Yes, when you list Alex's discretions, I'm like, oh,
But then I'm like, but she's trying so hard and
she's growing and we're watching it happen, and yeah, it's
interesting to kind of have the push and pull the character.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
That would be.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
So I want to start thinking about that with people
in my real life, Like if there was a camera
following them into private moments, what would that look like?
Because I don't share mine very often. Like I don't
often call a friend in a private moment because I
don't know why. I don't know, I just don't. It's
like I don't want to burden people or I don't want.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
To like.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Be an interruption or an annoyance, and I know how
neurotic I can be, and so I just want to
deal with it on my own. Yeah, but if I
had a friend who was in a private moment and
reached out to me, I'd be I'm happy to I
love that, Like I want to help and participate or
(32:48):
just be a listening, ear or whatever. Why is it
like so much harder to I don't know, to write out.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I did this the other night with my best girlfriend
from junior high in high school. The thing going on said, hey,
can you talk? Took us two nights to both have
you know, be home across time zones and in the
right moments. And we sat on the phone for two
hours and she walked me through all these things that
(33:15):
she has going on, and I I then obviously we
were just in conversation. I told her a bunch of things,
and some of it she was like, wait, I didn't
know this and I and it was exactly that realization.
She was like, honey, pick up the phone. I'm always here,
you know, to listen or whatever. And I just thought, yeah,
(33:37):
I I don't know. I always worry that if I
have something going on, I'm taking up someone else's time.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, but I never feel like anyone's taking up my time.
It's an honor to be there.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
So it is interesting that we it's interesting that we
want to love people in ways we don't often let
people love us.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And then yeah, absolutely, And then you know, I've got
nothing to complain about if I feel like my you know,
my friends don't know me as well as I want
them to because I'm the one that's preventing that. Like
I'm the one that's that's got the wall up, and
it's just it's so hard to be it's so hard
to be vulnerable. So maybe that's why we love our
(34:26):
TV characters because we feel.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Like but also that's what I was just going to say.
I think it's interesting when we look back at what
rewatching this show has been, like, so much of what
we enjoy about it is the way our characters communicate
with each.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Other totally totally. I know, it's kind of I want that.
I always I always like, I want that so bad,
but it's hard.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
It's just it's hard.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
It's harder in real life, like when it's in a script,
you can say something that is yeah, outrageous or offensive
or whatever, and the other person is just like they'll
just blow back up at you and you have it
out and then they you know, you're fine. But in
real life, everybody just keeps their mouth shut most of
the time. They're like okay, and then they walk away
and they're like, well now I know, and then they
(35:17):
just never follow up. And never like you. I want
to be challenged. I want to be like engaged with
in that way. But I don't know that I do
that very often with people either, I will. It depends
on how close we are, I guess I think that's
part of it. It depends on how close you are
with somebody. Maybe I don't know if that's making any sense.
(35:38):
Maybe it's a ramble.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
No, I mean I think it does, and I especially
think I mean, listen, it can all depend right on
what context. You know people, and you know how long
you've been friends. But it's like, think about all the
iterations over the last years we've been through with each other.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
And and there's always still a moment after however, many
years at a time where you're like, we can still
go this deep though, right, like are we going to
challenge each other on this thing? Are we gonna? And
I don't know, Maybe it's just very human to be
a little scared. Yeah, but like you push through it,
(36:28):
Yeah you have to, or.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
You just won't.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Like there's just no way to give and receive love
for real, because there's no actual safety there. You don't
know for sure if it's safe because you never actually
pushed to find out, but I love that to bring
it full circle. I think the thing that connects me
about that with our show is that we in a way,
(36:53):
I think we're able to model that for so many
and like the having that modeled, even for me as
a person, having that model by performing that with other
characters in a weird meta sort of way really was
helpful and informative, and I think one of the things
that made people love our show so much and makes
(37:15):
all of these moments in this last episode feel like
such a payoff because everybody's been through all those private
moments with us and they feel it too.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I think so too. And you know what it really
I'm realizing in real time as we're talking about it,
not on camera, but on set, there is an expectation
that you won't rock the boat, oh totally. You have
to keep it pushing, you have to keep it professional.
(37:46):
So you do learn, especially young and especially when you
grew up on those set like ours, where things were
changing all the time and no one was really talking
about a lot of it, you kind of learn to
just show up and be good and you're on eggshells
a little about like are we going to acknowledge this,
(38:07):
are we not We're not okay, We're just going to
do the work today. And so I actually think being
a young actor who works as regularly as we were
all working at the time, you can learn to not
ever bring anything up.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yeah, you learn to just process things on your own
because it's too risky. You risk it's too risky the
tayos or piece of an entire production.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yep, and it might waste people's time and whatever. So
you just keep everything at work for work. But then
you don't really learn to talk to each other in
the ways that people who don't have to perform on
set do. And so I think it's also really interesting
for us. You know, you learn in therapy that you
(38:51):
carry all your younger versions of yourself in you, right,
So in a really interesting way as adults, we are
learning some of the quiet that we learned in real
time when we were filming the show, and we're learning
it watching how well we could communicate on camera in
(39:12):
the ways we were never encouraged to off camera. And yeah,
because on camera, off camera after the show rapped, Yeah,
you know, because on camera there's no stakes, there's no
real stakes you can play with the emotion of feeling uncertain,
but you know for sure, like I'm gonna put this.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
This scene away and go home and have a real
life how the episode's going to end, right, right, Whereas
in real life you don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
You don't know anything.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, so you just have to.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Yeah. I think that's a really fair point. And we
learned a lot of that and we've had to we
have to. I'm still unlearning that.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I mean me too, But I really think about, like
think about the way all of our friendships changed after
the show finally wrapped. Yeah, you know, like things got
deeper for people after everybody got to like take a
b and then reunite in real life. And so it's
interesting to me now it's almost like the third point
(40:06):
of the triangle, Like we did it and we learned
to be quiet, and we learned to perform above all else,
and then we got a break and then we all
got to reconnect in real life, and now our real
life and our performance we're tying them together and going,
oh my god, which is why doing this podcast is
kind of like doing therapy for us.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yes, a thousand percent.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
And you know the weird thing is too, that's such
a messes with your mind that when you're on a
set for that long and doing that performative communication. As
you're talking about, we learned how to connect with each
other as a sort of surface version of each other
because you couldn't go so deep as to rock the boat.
(40:49):
So we had to sort of construct these ideas about
who each other were and relate to that in order
to keep the peace. And so there was like an
element of knowing each other but also not not also
the real depth. Yeah, so then it's like getting to
know someone that you're supposed to have actually, like, we've
known each other for twenty years, but how much of
(41:11):
each other have we known for twenty years?
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Exactly?
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Trying to dive back and figure out, like, what are
the pieces here that are missing to fill in the
whole picture.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, you start to be like, oh, there's holes in
this puzzle.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
And I also think, I mean, you know, we talked
in the last episode with Alison about how much she
enjoyed reading your book, Like, I don't think it's an
accident that you know, off camera, you and I have
been able to share so much about recovering from narcissistic relationships. Yeah,
(41:46):
because when you learn to keep the piece and not
even make space for what pieces might be missing from
your puzzle because you got to get through the things
you don't know how to turn that off.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Yeah, just become second nature.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yes, And it's really interesting when you when you look
back and you go, oh, yeah, in hindsight, I see
all these things, but at the time, I just didn't
see them. I literally couldn't be conscious of this because
I'm used to not acknowledging this. I'm used to not
acknowledging anything in the corner over there that I don't
even know that. I don't look in the corner anymore.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Yeah, I'm always moving out of a way. Oh yeah,
I don't even know that I'm not looking. You know,
it's a whole other level. It's a whole other level.
I just it's one of the things that makes me.
I'm so grateful for our show. I'm also you know,
there are everybody has life experiences where it's packed full
(42:45):
of things that you're so grateful for, and then you
also realized you've learned so many lessons from because there
were a lot of bad things in it too. But
you know, overall, I'm so grateful that we got to
have the experience that we did me too.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
We also think, you know, and I know we've said
this before, but the cool thing about the rewatch and
the time we get to spend and I don't just
mean us as hosts, I mean all of us, like
going to our conventions and doing this podcast together and
having all the friends on it all the time. Yeah,
it it really does. I don't know, it just it
(43:24):
gives you something back. And for me, and I know
this is really common. You know, you go through you
can go through a hard thing and you kind of
lose certain memories. Like when you've been through a you know,
a trauma or whatever, that thing becomes the biggest thing
in your rear view mirror in certain ways in your brain.
(43:47):
And what I've loved about this journey is that it's
kind of right size to that stuff. It's shrunken it
down to only take up the amount of space, you know,
the least amount of space it should actually less space
than it used to, less space than it did at
the time, And it feels like it's increased. It feels
(44:09):
like it's blown up the balloons of all our good
memories to be bigger. Yeah, and I don't know that
we would have had that otherwise.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Yeah, I think so too. I think there's a key
in that of learning to appreciate suffering, which is hard
because of course, in a perfect world, we don't want
to suffer. We don't want anyone else to suffer. It's
terrible to feel it. But when you appreciate what we're
(44:38):
able to, what we're able to siphon out of those
experiences that feel so difficult at the time, then you
can put things in their proper place and you're able
to appreciate all of the good things that came out
of it, rather than just focused being focused perpetually on
(45:02):
I shouldn't have had to go through that, and that
was suffering, and I you know, because everybody's going to
suffer at some in some capacity.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
And the thing is, to your point, you wouldn't wish
it on anyone, including yourself. But if it's happened, being
furious that it happened instead of analyzing what you learned
from it, it's like you it's like picking your scab
off instead of letting it heal. Yeah, And I really
think it's the best. The best outcome is when you
(45:35):
can say, yeah, I wouldn't have wished this on myself
or anyone else. But here's what I learned, here's what
we learned.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Here's what we made you know, And you can take
the positive memories and those can be the ones that
you construct the new reality out of it. Yeah, that's
kind of a weird way of saying it, because i'd
obviously reality's reality. We're not making our own. But there
is something in our bodies about how we relate to
things that we've been through. So if you can reconnect
your body to thinking of times when you experience suffering
(46:06):
to the positive moments that were in between all those
difficult times, then I feel like that's a huge win.
That's like a major way that you can win over
difficult circumstances.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Totally, totally. Oh and it's just it's all so cool.
It's like, I don't think it's an accident that this
episode feels like this full circle of essentially the decade
of our lives, and then it's making us very reflective
in real time. It's like, oh, yeah, it's doing exactly
what it was supposed to do.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
I think we were feeling a lot of that as
actors too, as it came to an end because we
weren't sure what was going to happen, and it really
did feel like, Okay, this isn't like season four or five,
like this is really We're at eight now. I think
we might be done. So yeah, it's yeah, listeners. I
think that's why the reflection is coming in so much,
because this is how we felt the end of it. Like,
(47:00):
what do we do with all this? Should we do
a quick listener question before we wrap up?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
All right? What do we have?
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Lauren?
Speaker 4 (47:20):
She's saying, why do all the kids have their mother's
maiden names as their first names? James, Davis Sawyer? Where
did the name Jude come from? Did you guys get
to have any input in the kids' names?
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Whoa whoa? Whoa? Lauren?
Speaker 4 (47:32):
There's so many questions, just one of the time. Please kidding,
We're kidding. I don't know why did they I guess
it was just a kind of a cute little Tree
Hill thing, little Tree Hill trademark.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, I think because there were so many nicknames with
our last names. You know, you were always called Hailey,
James and it was P. Sawyer and B. Davis, and
it was a way to keep those names in the running.
And then I know that Jude was a reference to
(48:07):
you know, the famous Beatles song Hey Jude, and because
it was adjacent to Julian, So since Davis would have
Brooks last name, Jude was almost like a Julian junior.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
But no, we never got input on the names.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
Definitely not No, I was a writer's room only.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Well should we spin a wheel?
Speaker 4 (48:30):
That's been a wheel?
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I wish Rob was here. This is fun. I know
this is perfect.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
After the last episode all on miss Lauren, who's most
likely to send a naughty text to the wrong person?
Speaker 1 (48:51):
I mean, clearly it's miss Lauren.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, by the way, we have our answer.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Yeah, obviously, I don't know for all of us, who's
who's clumsy enough to do that. I am neurotic about
sending text messages and making sure it's the right person
because I've messed up before.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
And no, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
I don't do that. I don't.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
I also just don't trust devices, like, yeah, no, that's not.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
Happening even Oh, I just mean even like a like
an actual text message, not.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Oh I know, but I'm like, you know it says
a naughty text. I'm like I was doing that. Does
anyone pay attention to the internet, Like, come on, guys, no, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
I don't know who would I'm trying to think in
real life, but who would actually Probably Paul, one of our.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Producers, just said, obviously nanny Debb.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
I could see Barbara doing that, like accidentally sending one
to one of her one of her girls or something.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Instead of her cute boyfriend boyfriend.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Embarrassing, but you know, her daughters are so cool. They
have such a great relationship. They'd be like, uh, wrong number, mom.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
They'd be like hot though, yeah, taking tips from mom.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
Well, what's coming up next?
Speaker 7 (50:03):
Self?
Speaker 2 (50:04):
I can't believe it? Next episode? Season nine, episode one?
Know this we've noticed.
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us with for all of this so far up through
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
This is so exciting.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I feel like we've gone too long without really dishing
any hot goss and I yeah, like we owe it
to the listeners today to just break them off a
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
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Speaker 4 (00:27):
Go on, Sophia, I see your excited smile.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I was about to be like, we all look so
excited about it. Guys, really, not only has it been
too long since we had, as Rob said, hot goss
for you, but we feel like it's been too long
since we've all been on stage with you.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
So we've made some very exciting plans, and we hope
that you'll all make those plans with us. We're going
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Speaker 3 (01:02):
And we will be performing a three person production of
The Emperor's New Clothes. It'll be four hours of very
confusing acting. Now what we'd be doing there. We will
be a recording our finale episode live with all of you.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It makes me emotional.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
You said finale in my heart like broke.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
That's the bitter part.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
The sweet part is that we get to share it
with all the fans.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah, that's true, That's true.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That's what makes it so special.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
We love you, guys, We love all the support that
you've brought to us over the years, not just for
Drama Queens, but Winter Hill in general. I mean, you've
been with us on this ride for so long, so
we really want to celebrate the end of this part
of Drama Queens with you, and we just hope that
you'll that you'll come out. So we've had some more
details here.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yes, we will be there. Thanks to our friends who
organize the most wonderful conventions that let us all come home.
We will be doing a live show at the next
convention on Saturday, November first. It'll be at seven pm,
and as Joy mentioned, we're doing this at trick Feels correct.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Listen and it starts at seven. Who knows when it's
good end Because all three of us love to talk.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
We can get we can get it, we can get
a little along with it, you know what I mean.
And it's going to be fun and none of us
want this to end, so maybe we just pull an
all nighter. I don't know, is what.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm lock in.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'll lock in, Oh my God, Yes, so fun. And
it's exciting too, because getting to do this on a
convention weekend means we get to be together. It means
so many of our other castmates will be there. It
means so many of you are already coming to Wilmington.
So if you're on the fence, get off it and
book a ticket and come and join us.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Get off your fence already, Get off that fence.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Here's where you're gonna get your tickets.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
It's ot H merch dot com slash Events o t
H Merch m e r c H dot com slash Events.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
There's all sorts of tickets and packages and things, and yeah,
maybe it turns into a lock in.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Are you a fancy listener?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Guess what?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
There are VIP packages just for you.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Rob, you don't say, oh I do. So that's the finale.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It's just using.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Fun energy we're gonna be bringing to Wilmington.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
What if we whispered the entire finale, if we just did.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
This we did, we say, everyone get your snacks out now,
because we don't want any crinkling of paper.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's lulla by time. Yes, guys, we don't know what's
gonna happen, but we know it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
It's gonna be great.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Get your tickets now, all right, SOF and I are
going to go into this episode. Rob's on set. He's
gonna run back out. We love you, We're gonna miss
see you on this one. But well, thanks for talking yea.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I love you guys. By good luck out there. Okay,
let's do it.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl,
all about them.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
High school queens. We'll take you for a ride and
our comic girl.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
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Speaker 6 (04:20):
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Speaker 1 (04:30):
Hi. Everyone, we're.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Season finale, Yes, yes, season season We're not there yet.
I am starting to like get that feeling though, that
I had at the end of production where I'm like, no,
I'm not ready.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I know, I know this was This was emotional for
me to watch and also strange because I knew it.
I know it's not the end. But as a viewer
back then, like and as an actor on the show,
we didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Know, we didn't know thought that this was going to
be it. We should also probably mention it's not that
we're not leaving any room for Rob to talk.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
He's not here today.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
He is filming a movie at the moment. We're very
excited for him, but it also feels really weird to
not have him to talk about the episode with because
it is the season finale.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
I know, and he had so much great stuff in
this season. Well, he'll just have to wag in on
the next one at the beginning of season nine. But
for now, we've got episode twenty two, This is My House,
This is My Home, which aired in May twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The synopsis reads, as Brooke and Haley prepare to reopen
Karen's cafe, Oh my god, it makes me so emotional.
Mayvan and Clay hit the road looking for new prospective clients. Meanwhile,
Chase leaves for the Air Force, leaving a disappointed Alex
and Chuck behind, and Mouth and Millicent begin their new
morning show together.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I loved this morning show, love it so much, so
so much.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's the best.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I'm so it was such a great idea that I
wish they had come up with it sooner. Because I
feel like we could have done so much an entire
I mean, they could have done a spin off, to
be honest, there was just so much material that could
have been done. But I love the two of them
the Treill Morning Show. We've been waiting so eight years
(06:25):
for this to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yes, and they're just so good together. And I think
the way that we've seen them growing as a couple
but also as these unlikely business partners in a way
through the end of this season and that gorgeous crescendo
moment where she turns the mic over to him at
the end of the last episode and everyone obviously sobbed
(06:50):
and on the fly.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
He just has these perfectly poetic, such beautiful things to say,
and he pulled it off that it didn't feel scripted
or planned, just flowed from who Marvin is.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It felt so nice. It was such a highlight moment
for me of the episode, you know, watching Lee and
Lisa together and it does they just feel like they're
in this perfect spot. I want this morning show in
real life.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yes, Yes, And it feels you know you said this
in the previous podcast, that all of our characters feel
settled now, And I see that with Mouth and Milly,
that they brought us to that point where finally, after
everything they've been through individually and together, they're finally just
settled in with each other. That when she gets this
(07:45):
opportunity to do a job somewhere else, it's almost not
even surprising that she comes back. She's just like, you know, no,
you're my person. This is where I want to be.
When am I climbing a ladder that I never even
tried to be on in the first place?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Like what for what?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I just want to be with you? And that's the
beauty of what life is about. And so much of
what our show is about is appreciating what you have
in your own backyard. And we're living in a modern culture,
especially in America, where we're just trying to climb ladders
all the time, and at some point it's like, can
we just enjoy what we have? Like what's wrong with that?
(08:21):
Can that just be meaningful enough?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah? So, like where you live, be with your people,
you know, And it's really nice too. I'm enjoying that.
We are starting to see Jamie step into his young
boyhood in a way that feels reminiscent of the stories
(08:44):
when we first met our characters Hayley and Lucas and
Peyton and Nathan and Brooke, and they would talk about
growing up in Tree Hill. They would talk about building
igloos at eight and you know, playing basketball with the
other kids and all of these things. We're seeing Jamie
enter into that, you know, seven year old range and
(09:06):
he's doing the things his parents did when when they
were little, and it's really it's a it's a full circle.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Is he only seven? Gosh? I feel like he seems
like he's.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Eleven, like ten or eleven? Now did they say he
was seven? Oh my gosh, he seems so much older
to me.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I just remember the drama of liking somebody at that age. Yeah,
like that it made it feel like ten or eleven,
I don't think. Yeah. Because also Nathan lets him go
for a walk by himself in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
So he might be approaching ten. So yeah, really the
ages that you've heard us tell stories about each other,
and I just I don't know, it's so sweet seeing
him in that space and also using his voiceover more
and more ever since the Baseball episode opening on him
(10:02):
talking about being raised in a magic time by musicians
in a web of magic. Like it's just it's every
bit of the nostalgia that we need after eight seasons.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah, they really brought it, brought it full circle.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Brook's also grown a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I feel like, just in between these last two episodes,
I mean, it was Puerto Rico and then the next
thing we know, she's seven months pregnant.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So that was the really interesting thing about this episode
is that we start moving through the pregnancy, and after
every commercial break we skip, So it's you see two
months on the wall, and then they trace three, and
then you see four, and then they're tracing five. And
so we used this episode thinking it would be the
(10:55):
series finale to cover the ten months of her pregnancy,
so you see almost the whole year go by in
the episode. Yeah, which is why in the beginning she's like,
I think I'm showing and he's like, you're skinny, and
she's made. And then later later he says, you know,
(11:17):
when he's tracing the five month belly, he goes, look
how bad you are.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
It's so sweet.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I really love I love watching Broke and Julian too.
They've gotten to a point where they're settled and where
they even without the pregnancy, they would have been okay,
and so it just feels like a bonus.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Do you remember how you had to wear a big
pregnancy belly. I guess you had to wear lots of
different paths in that were they uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
It was interesting trying to figure it out, you know,
how to tell the story of a pregnancy in one episode,
let alone a pregnancy with twins. Yeah, so we basically
had raw of all the different sized bumps. And then
I remember even when we did the scene where I
think I'm showing and I'm like, look, I chugged too,
(12:11):
like two or three bottles of water to just to
get my bladder, and then like we're trying to shoot
the scene and I'm desperate. I desperately had to pee.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh no, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It didn't make sense to be like are you showing?
Are you not? Did you eat a burrito? Like you
wouldn't do a fake belly for that, but alone a
prosthetic one with me lifting up my shirt. So that
was a lot of water. And then I remember they
started putting me in padded bras and then we started
to go up in the belly size, and then the
(12:45):
twin bellies are really big and they sort of sit differently,
so then I would then I would start when I
was doing those scenes, like keeping bowls of snacks on
fake belly and using it as like a little table
for my cheese. It's on my pret sauce, which was great.
It's great, like, oh, this is kind of cool. This
(13:06):
is like one of the only perks I think the
girls get.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah, you only had to wear those pads, like, uh,
we had one it was one offs and it was
one episode, and there was multiple at different times. Oh man,
when Haley was pregnant with Jamie, I had to be
in that stink and pregnancy belly for so many episodes.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
It's hot. It was hot for me.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That's what people don't realize. They're made of a really
dense foam and like a pillow, they're but worse like
dense squishy, yeah, mattress poper foam. Yes, kind of like that,
and they're hot. And then when we did the scene
where we're doing the ultrasound and we discover its twins,
(13:47):
we had to do the prosthetic right, and so then
it all gets glued to your belly and it's just oh,
you're just covered in like plastic and glue and stick,
and oh it was terrible. It was disgusting, but so
cute in the episode.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yes it worked, it was great. But speaking of the
doctor or you know, finding out being in the hospital,
finding out the doctor who helps you, it is this
same doctor that was like helping Nathan with his back.
I know, Goes, I've only been doing.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
This for thirty five years, and I'm like, I thought
you were an orthopedic specialist.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
What, yeah, guess not. That was That was a really
funny fumble. I'm so surprised that nobody. Nobody got that.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, I was a little bit when he came on screen.
I went, oh, interesting, interesting, likely right, all.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Of this stuff in Karen's Cafe was great. And I
remember I think I was actually still of aired in May.
I had either just had Maria or I was still pregnant,
because I think I was still pregnant in the Puerto
Rico episode, which is why I couldn't go.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Well Puerto Rico at the end of the season, remember,
which was when that was the whole thing. We you left.
We basically shot everything in eight twenty and then in
the finale that you weren't in. And then we went
to Puerto Rico at the very end of the season,
at the end of April. It was the last thing
(15:20):
we shot was Puerto Rico, and then everybody went home.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I don't know, I looked still pregnant, but also when
you actually have a baby, you still look pregnant for
a good couple of months after.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, And that was also one of the really surreal things,
which always is obviously about when an actor has to
play a pregnancy but obviously isn't pregnant. It was very
surreal to just be like adding the belly and the
boobs to brook but you know, I wasn't pregnant. I
wasn't gaining weight in you know, my arms and my
(15:53):
face and my lips and all the day it happened
to women and you had just had a baby. And
I remember there would be days where we'd be on
set together and just be like, this is so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Like this is real, realistic.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Well, look, there are women in the world who managed
to carry their babies like basketballs and they drop them
and their bodies kind of bounce back. I mean, that's
God bless them. I don't think that's the majority, but
it happens, so Brooke gets to be one of those people.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Well blessed for her.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I don't think those are, but yeah, I remember.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I think I was still pregnant in Puerto rican when
you guys went to Puerto Rico. But yeah, it was
so nice to see and I was so grateful on
set that they were keeping me in one location, but
to see Karen's Cafe coming back, and I wish we
had been able to get Moira back for the last
episode in some way, just to sort of give us
(16:47):
her Karen's Cafe blessing. I did feel like we missed that,
especially since we got Dan. But I was so happy
to see us go back to Karen's Cafe revital like that.
That felt as much as we had grown to love
close Over Bros. To see that that's going to have
a new iteration in some other way and that Karen's
(17:09):
Cafe gets to be alive again made me happy.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You have you been there in town recently to the spot?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, last time I was in Wilmington, we drove by.
It's like a it's an outdoor store.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, I think it's like a sports kind of like
an ri sports I know makes me sense, though I
really wish it was still Karen's.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I do too, But it was really sweet I think
for us to have that, especially because there's been so
much focus, you know on will Brook get to start
a family, Haley and Nathan having just had another baby,
this project for us as friends with our kids and
knowing that you know, they'll get to play on that roof,
(17:56):
just like I talked about and all these things. It
it feels like a homecoming and a next chapter at
the same time. And knowing that we thought this would
be the series finale. I just think it's exactly the
right decision.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yeah, would you do that with your friend? Like what
would you want to open? Is there a business you'd
want to open with your friends? If you got to
a place where you're like, you know what, I'm settling here.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
This is it.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I want to open up this thing, and like your
friends get to come work there and hang with their kids,
and what would you want to do.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So one of my best friends and I talk about
this all the time. We really want to open like
a gorgeous sandwich shop with great coffee that's also an
antique store.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Yes, this is like my dream. I wanted Anthropology to
have a coffee shop in it all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
They never do. But this is better because there's food.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
We want to do, like a great long meal lunch
spot where every every gorgeous thing in the restaurant is
also for sale, so we can rotate things through all
the time.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And is that ABC in New York? Have you been
to the ABC?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
There's like, yeah, ABC has their furniture store and then their.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Kitchen, but they're separate. I don't know which.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Came first, but yeah, they are separate. I mean because
one had to have a you know, a kitchen in it.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, but it's great.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I love that spot that there's two restaurants now it's
they cover an entire block.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I think.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
So now you can go to one one on the
other side on one side, and one on the other side,
and then they've got that whole store you can shop in.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
But I like this idea. Where would you do it?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I mean, we'd probably do it here.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
We do it in New York, Yeah, in the city,
or a little like place outside of the city somewhere.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I mean, you know, my favorite part of Brooklyn has
been on my vision board forever. So if eventually that
becomes possible, that would be a dream. Yeah, and then
we'd be you know, she and I would be neighbors anyway,
which would be so fun. But I don't know, you know,
it also feels like the sort of thing that would potentially,
(20:05):
you know, depending on the neighborhood and the walkability, do
really well in la It could be a vibe in Chicago.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
It makes me think of Lily's Market, the Little Market
member downtown. It was, yeah, yes, she used to have
back when we were renting videos at Blockbuster. Still she
had a video rental wall and a clothing rack, and
a cheese refrigerator and wine local wines, and it was
(20:34):
just all these random things and I loved that place.
I'm so sad that they closed it.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
But she was this.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Young, she was probably in her mid twenties and she
had opened up this store. It did really well for
a while. It was downtown, right on the water in Wilmington,
the little market. Her name was Lily, Lily.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I loved that.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
That's been a little fantasy of mine one day to
just do something like that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I just think it's so cool. My girlfriend Lauren did
something similar in Chicago. She has this great shop called
Rider and it's vintage furniture, like incredible vintage furniture, art apothecary,
Candle's jewelry, Knew, like every kind of cool thing you
(21:17):
could want she has in one store. And she's an
interior designer.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Oh my gosh, I'm gonna be in Chicago next weekend.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Oh my god, I'll say, Oh, it's the best.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, And we we did my apartment there together, and
then we were literally planning on launching design services as
a duo, and then COVID hit and like everything shifted
and she wound up moving to France for two years
and like, but it was this moment in time. We
were about to do an apartment together in one of
(21:49):
the Emes buildings there. We were so excited and then
you know, the world had other plans. Yeah, but it's
just still something I think I have an itch for.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I would show up for your shop, whatever it is.
I would love to see whenever he carried. That would
be really fun.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I would love it.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Okay, we have to talk about speaking of Karen's Cafe Monomena.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
What was the deal?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
What in the world?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Why I remember us all being so confused, even James,
and credit to him, he committed so hard to that
he learned it. He was like a good sport about it.
But it was so bizarre. It felt like knowing everything
that we know, it felt to me like some sort
of weird retaliation against him for something who knows what,
(22:45):
but by the showrunner that like just whatever, for whatever reason,
and James got on his bad side for a minute
and just decided to write this ridiculous scene.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I just could not wrap my brain around why in
the world this happened me neither.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It felt really strange. It was it was it felt
like another toaster strude al moment, yes where I was like,
why keep wanting us to do this stuff? It's like
the high five, the toaster pastry, the monomena. I'm like,
what is this?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
It was so strange, and it wasn't just like fifteen
seconds of it. It was the entire song. I just
remember all of us being so confused. Even on the
day we were shooting. We were there on set and
James is doing it and I was like, what what
I think? He was just like, I don't know, let's
just get it over with like fine.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I just yeah, I just don't get it. And it's weird,
the sort of back and forth, you know, the stuff
that you can feel there's weird energy underneath, and then
the stuff that feels so pure, you know, as we're
watching Brooke go through this pregnancy and her and Julian
are so happy, and then the reviews come in for
(24:04):
his movie, Oh that was so sweet, and they're so beautiful.
There's such beautiful moments in the last episode. In this episode,
the writing really is phenomenal, and I'm just like, how
does how does this all exist in the same episode?
(24:25):
What's happening?
Speaker 4 (24:26):
And of all the things that they had, all the
material they had, like I would have taken two minutes
of Mouth and Millie hands down over Nathan doing monomena,
Like we already know he's a great dad.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
We have no need.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
It's not furthering the story anymore. It's not getting us anywhere.
I just don't know why it was written.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
It would have been just as easy to have him
up on that stage with Lydia in that little baby
born taking the mic and being like are you going
to sing like your mom? Are you going to be
a singer like your mom.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, and you watched it shot yeah, yeah, two.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Seconds a durable move on.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Maybe it was like one of those things like the
doggying the Heart where it's so ridiculous that the hope
was that it would get on the soup exactly, that
it would get on the soup, that it would get
like a little publicity for being so ridiculous. But at
least then eyeballs. Then the name of the show is
out there. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
I wish James was here, but he would still be
classy about it even if he.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Was here, so he totally would be like, oh, it
was fine.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, next, let's talk about something else.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I love that toad the Wet Sprocket song that they
let me sing.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
But why do they let me play guitar?
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I am not a guitar player, Like I play enough
to just sort of, you know, get across an idea something,
But then you hire in real people. I have no
I I'm watching that, like, why why did they let
me actually play guitar? It's so bad? Why didn't they
just bring.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Somebody else in? It was so mad?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
But it was fun to sing that because I did
love that song. I loved that song in high school.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I did too. I thought it was so good. It
was a nice It did feel like a nice I
don't know, throwback in a way. Yeah, and the sort
of some of the music being a little older and
then something's feeling really fresh. It just again it all,
it all really feels like it's coming full circle, which
(26:39):
is interesting because then we do thirteen more episodes.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, it's so strange.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, But I will say, speaking of the music, I
was really glad we were back to Gavin for the
theme song you too.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I've been skipping the intro for so every weeks because.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I just can't. I can't either, I just can't do it.
So it was really nice to have the song that
we know and that imprinted on our show back.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
It was like taking a deep breath of relief when
I heard his voice come on.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Me too, like oh, thank god.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah. And then I also really liked that when we
got to Mouth and Millie in the morning and we
had had this beautiful moment knowing that Julian's movie you
Know is being so well reviewed. It's it all feels
like this kind of ground swell of excitement and then
it cuts to them and Alex's movie's coming out and
(27:34):
they're getting to talk about it on the air, and
then Janna's song is under it. Yeah, it all was
just so great.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Is this a movie we watched him shoot? Or am I? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
This is his This is his Alex Duprey movie. We
saw Sundance, but now it's coming out in theaters.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah, the Alex and Chase of it all.
Let's talk about them. Realistic not realistic? Are you sad
that he didn't choose Mia or she didn't choose him?
I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I think I do really think that Jana and Steven
are so great together and I just really enjoy watching them.
And I think for Mia and Chase to have been together,
she might have had to change her life in a
way that I don't want her to. I don't want
her to give up on touring and all the things,
(28:30):
you know, despite how sweet they are together as well,
Like there's something about the Alex and Chase that is
sticky for a reason, and I think that they're sweet.
Scene I mean, him saying meet me right here a
year from today was so lovely.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, it was. That was really sweet.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I still I still as much as they do have
good cam Janna and Stephen are great. I don't like Alex. Oh,
I just don't like Alex, right. I don't believe her
that she's changed at ever. She's like Dan, she just
is constantly. I don't know. This is a character who
is who has more often than not looked out for
(29:19):
themselves and adjusted their personality and her uh herself to
whatever it is that she actually wants to get. Rather
than just maintaining a consistent personality, a consistent character like
not character acting character, like a person, your your character
within you, she hasn't maintained any consistency in that regard,
(29:43):
and I just don't trust her and I don't like her.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry, everybody.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
No, I mean listen, I think I get it, and
I guess I'm part of me is like, oh do
I am I personalizing that I like Jana, you know,
to love Alex maybe a little. I don't know, but
I think there's there is there's always we always have
(30:09):
an ability to understand characters, you know, on shows. Sometimes
I think even better than we understand people because we
watch the characters, we watch them try to grow, we
watch them fail, we see them in moments we don't
see our friends or our family or whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
But I also hear, especially because we're watching episode to episode,
like you've got a list, You've got a list of
Alex's screw ups that you can't get over right there
in your brain. And yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yeah, like if she, if she was remorseful, if we
actually got to see some apologies and some real like
growth and not just an apology, but actually like making
real changes, I feel like maybe I could obviously I
would make space, but.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I don't know. I just yeah. Yeah, But you're right
that we.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Do watch characters differently than we watch each other because
we know it's only for a limited time. You can
watch every move, every detail, Yeah, unsupervised, and you know
that you're being taught a lesson in some way, you're
being told a story, and.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
You understand they're shortcomings in ways that we often don't
understand people's shortcomings in the world because we don't we
don't really get to see people struggle the way we
get to see our TV characters struggle.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Yeah, that's true. You're not there in private moments in
real life, but a camera can follow a character into
a private.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Exactly exactly, So I don't know. It's interesting. On the
one hand, Yes, when you list Alex's discretions, I'm like, oh,
But then I'm like, but she's trying so hard and
she's growing and we're watching it happen, and yeah, it's
interesting to kind of have the push and pull the character.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
That would be.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
So I want to start thinking about that with people
in my real life, Like if there was a camera
following them into private moments, what would that look like?
Because I don't share mine very often. Like I don't
often call a friend in a private moment because I
don't know why. I don't know, I just don't. It's
like I don't want to burden people or I don't want.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
To like.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Be an interruption or an annoyance, and I know how
neurotic I can be, and so I just want to
deal with it on my own. Yeah, but if I
had a friend who was in a private moment and
reached out to me, I'd be I'm happy to I
love that, Like I want to help and participate or
(32:48):
just be a listening, ear or whatever. Why is it
like so much harder to I don't know, to write out.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I did this the other night with my best girlfriend
from junior high in high school. The thing going on said, hey,
can you talk? Took us two nights to both have
you know, be home across time zones and in the
right moments. And we sat on the phone for two
hours and she walked me through all these things that
(33:15):
she has going on, and I I then obviously we
were just in conversation. I told her a bunch of things,
and some of it she was like, wait, I didn't
know this and I and it was exactly that realization.
She was like, honey, pick up the phone. I'm always here,
you know, to listen or whatever. And I just thought, yeah,
(33:37):
I I don't know. I always worry that if I
have something going on, I'm taking up someone else's time.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, but I never feel like anyone's taking up my time.
It's an honor to be there.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
So it is interesting that we it's interesting that we
want to love people in ways we don't often let
people love us.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And then yeah, absolutely, And then you know, I've got
nothing to complain about if I feel like my you know,
my friends don't know me as well as I want
them to because I'm the one that's preventing that. Like
I'm the one that's that's got the wall up, and
it's just it's so hard to be it's so hard
to be vulnerable. So maybe that's why we love our
(34:26):
TV characters because we feel.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Like but also that's what I was just going to say.
I think it's interesting when we look back at what
rewatching this show has been, like, so much of what
we enjoy about it is the way our characters communicate
with each.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Other totally totally. I know, it's kind of I want that.
I always I always like, I want that so bad,
but it's hard.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
It's just it's hard.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
It's harder in real life, like when it's in a script,
you can say something that is yeah, outrageous or offensive
or whatever, and the other person is just like they'll
just blow back up at you and you have it
out and then they you know, you're fine. But in
real life, everybody just keeps their mouth shut most of
the time. They're like okay, and then they walk away
and they're like, well now I know, and then they
(35:17):
just never follow up. And never like you. I want
to be challenged. I want to be like engaged with
in that way. But I don't know that I do
that very often with people either, I will. It depends
on how close we are, I guess I think that's
part of it. It depends on how close you are
with somebody. Maybe I don't know if that's making any sense.
(35:38):
Maybe it's a ramble.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
No, I mean I think it does, and I especially
think I mean, listen, it can all depend right on
what context. You know people, and you know how long
you've been friends. But it's like, think about all the
iterations over the last years we've been through with each other.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
And and there's always still a moment after however, many
years at a time where you're like, we can still
go this deep though, right, like are we going to
challenge each other on this thing? Are we gonna? And
I don't know, Maybe it's just very human to be
a little scared. Yeah, but like you push through it,
(36:28):
Yeah you have to, or.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
You just won't.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Like there's just no way to give and receive love
for real, because there's no actual safety there. You don't
know for sure if it's safe because you never actually
pushed to find out, but I love that to bring
it full circle. I think the thing that connects me
about that with our show is that we in a way,
(36:53):
I think we're able to model that for so many
and like the having that modeled, even for me as
a person, having that model by performing that with other
characters in a weird meta sort of way really was
helpful and informative, and I think one of the things
that made people love our show so much and makes
(37:15):
all of these moments in this last episode feel like
such a payoff because everybody's been through all those private
moments with us and they feel it too.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I think so too. And you know what it really
I'm realizing in real time as we're talking about it,
not on camera, but on set, there is an expectation
that you won't rock the boat, oh totally. You have
to keep it pushing, you have to keep it professional.
(37:46):
So you do learn, especially young and especially when you
grew up on those set like ours, where things were
changing all the time and no one was really talking
about a lot of it, you kind of learn to
just show up and be good and you're on eggshells
a little about like are we going to acknowledge this,
(38:07):
are we not We're not okay, We're just going to
do the work today. And so I actually think being
a young actor who works as regularly as we were
all working at the time, you can learn to not
ever bring anything up.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yeah, you learn to just process things on your own
because it's too risky. You risk it's too risky the
tayos or piece of an entire production.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yep, and it might waste people's time and whatever. So
you just keep everything at work for work. But then
you don't really learn to talk to each other in
the ways that people who don't have to perform on
set do. And so I think it's also really interesting
for us. You know, you learn in therapy that you
(38:51):
carry all your younger versions of yourself in you, right,
So in a really interesting way as adults, we are
learning some of the quiet that we learned in real
time when we were filming the show, and we're learning
it watching how well we could communicate on camera in
(39:12):
the ways we were never encouraged to off camera. And yeah,
because on camera, off camera after the show rapped, Yeah,
you know, because on camera there's no stakes, there's no
real stakes you can play with the emotion of feeling uncertain,
but you know for sure, like I'm gonna put this.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
This scene away and go home and have a real
life how the episode's going to end, right, right, Whereas
in real life you don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
You don't know anything.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, so you just have to.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Yeah. I think that's a really fair point. And we
learned a lot of that and we've had to we
have to. I'm still unlearning that.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I mean me too, But I really think about, like
think about the way all of our friendships changed after
the show finally wrapped. Yeah, you know, like things got
deeper for people after everybody got to like take a
b and then reunite in real life. And so it's
interesting to me now it's almost like the third point
(40:06):
of the triangle, Like we did it and we learned
to be quiet, and we learned to perform above all else,
and then we got a break and then we all
got to reconnect in real life, and now our real
life and our performance we're tying them together and going,
oh my god, which is why doing this podcast is
kind of like doing therapy for us.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yes, a thousand percent.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
And you know the weird thing is too, that's such
a messes with your mind that when you're on a
set for that long and doing that performative communication. As
you're talking about, we learned how to connect with each
other as a sort of surface version of each other
because you couldn't go so deep as to rock the boat.
(40:49):
So we had to sort of construct these ideas about
who each other were and relate to that in order
to keep the peace. And so there was like an
element of knowing each other but also not not also
the real depth. Yeah, so then it's like getting to
know someone that you're supposed to have actually, like, we've
known each other for twenty years, but how much of
(41:11):
each other have we known for twenty years?
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Exactly?
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Trying to dive back and figure out, like, what are
the pieces here that are missing to fill in the
whole picture.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, you start to be like, oh, there's holes in
this puzzle.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
And I also think, I mean, you know, we talked
in the last episode with Alison about how much she
enjoyed reading your book, Like, I don't think it's an
accident that you know, off camera, you and I have
been able to share so much about recovering from narcissistic relationships. Yeah,
(41:46):
because when you learn to keep the piece and not
even make space for what pieces might be missing from
your puzzle because you got to get through the things
you don't know how to turn that off.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Yeah, just become second nature.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yes, And it's really interesting when you when you look
back and you go, oh, yeah, in hindsight, I see
all these things, but at the time, I just didn't
see them. I literally couldn't be conscious of this because
I'm used to not acknowledging this. I'm used to not
acknowledging anything in the corner over there that I don't
even know that. I don't look in the corner anymore.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Yeah, I'm always moving out of a way. Oh yeah,
I don't even know that I'm not looking. You know,
it's a whole other level. It's a whole other level.
I just it's one of the things that makes me.
I'm so grateful for our show. I'm also you know,
there are everybody has life experiences where it's packed full
(42:45):
of things that you're so grateful for, and then you
also realized you've learned so many lessons from because there
were a lot of bad things in it too. But
you know, overall, I'm so grateful that we got to
have the experience that we did me too.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
We also think, you know, and I know we've said
this before, but the cool thing about the rewatch and
the time we get to spend and I don't just
mean us as hosts, I mean all of us, like
going to our conventions and doing this podcast together and
having all the friends on it all the time. Yeah,
it it really does. I don't know, it just it
(43:24):
gives you something back. And for me, and I know
this is really common. You know, you go through you
can go through a hard thing and you kind of
lose certain memories. Like when you've been through a you know,
a trauma or whatever, that thing becomes the biggest thing
in your rear view mirror in certain ways in your brain.
(43:47):
And what I've loved about this journey is that it's
kind of right size to that stuff. It's shrunken it
down to only take up the amount of space, you know,
the least amount of space it should actually less space
than it used to, less space than it did at
the time, And it feels like it's increased. It feels
(44:09):
like it's blown up the balloons of all our good
memories to be bigger. Yeah, and I don't know that
we would have had that otherwise.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Yeah, I think so too. I think there's a key
in that of learning to appreciate suffering, which is hard
because of course, in a perfect world, we don't want
to suffer. We don't want anyone else to suffer. It's
terrible to feel it. But when you appreciate what we're
(44:38):
able to, what we're able to siphon out of those
experiences that feel so difficult at the time, then you
can put things in their proper place and you're able
to appreciate all of the good things that came out
of it, rather than just focused being focused perpetually on
(45:02):
I shouldn't have had to go through that, and that
was suffering, and I you know, because everybody's going to
suffer at some in some capacity.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
And the thing is, to your point, you wouldn't wish
it on anyone, including yourself. But if it's happened, being
furious that it happened instead of analyzing what you learned
from it, it's like you it's like picking your scab
off instead of letting it heal. Yeah, And I really
think it's the best. The best outcome is when you
(45:35):
can say, yeah, I wouldn't have wished this on myself
or anyone else. But here's what I learned, here's what
we learned.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Here's what we made you know, And you can take
the positive memories and those can be the ones that
you construct the new reality out of it. Yeah, that's
kind of a weird way of saying it, because i'd
obviously reality's reality. We're not making our own. But there
is something in our bodies about how we relate to
things that we've been through. So if you can reconnect
your body to thinking of times when you experience suffering
(46:06):
to the positive moments that were in between all those
difficult times, then I feel like that's a huge win.
That's like a major way that you can win over
difficult circumstances.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Totally, totally. Oh and it's just it's all so cool.
It's like, I don't think it's an accident that this
episode feels like this full circle of essentially the decade
of our lives, and then it's making us very reflective
in real time. It's like, oh, yeah, it's doing exactly
what it was supposed to do.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
I think we were feeling a lot of that as
actors too, as it came to an end because we
weren't sure what was going to happen, and it really
did feel like, Okay, this isn't like season four or five,
like this is really We're at eight now. I think
we might be done. So yeah, it's yeah, listeners. I
think that's why the reflection is coming in so much,
because this is how we felt the end of it. Like,
(47:00):
what do we do with all this? Should we do
a quick listener question before we wrap up?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
All right? What do we have?
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Lauren?
Speaker 4 (47:20):
She's saying, why do all the kids have their mother's
maiden names as their first names? James, Davis Sawyer? Where
did the name Jude come from? Did you guys get
to have any input in the kids' names?
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Whoa whoa? Whoa? Lauren?
Speaker 4 (47:32):
There's so many questions, just one of the time. Please kidding,
We're kidding. I don't know why did they I guess
it was just a kind of a cute little Tree
Hill thing, little Tree Hill trademark.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, I think because there were so many nicknames with
our last names. You know, you were always called Hailey,
James and it was P. Sawyer and B. Davis, and
it was a way to keep those names in the running.
And then I know that Jude was a reference to
(48:07):
you know, the famous Beatles song Hey Jude, and because
it was adjacent to Julian, So since Davis would have
Brooks last name, Jude was almost like a Julian junior.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
But no, we never got input on the names.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
Definitely not No, I was a writer's room only.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Well should we spin a wheel?
Speaker 4 (48:30):
That's been a wheel?
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I wish Rob was here. This is fun. I know
this is perfect.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
After the last episode all on miss Lauren, who's most
likely to send a naughty text to the wrong person?
Speaker 1 (48:51):
I mean, clearly it's miss Lauren.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, by the way, we have our answer.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Yeah, obviously, I don't know for all of us, who's
who's clumsy enough to do that. I am neurotic about
sending text messages and making sure it's the right person
because I've messed up before.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
And no, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
I don't do that. I don't.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
I also just don't trust devices, like, yeah, no, that's not.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
Happening even Oh, I just mean even like a like
an actual text message, not.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Oh I know, but I'm like, you know it says
a naughty text. I'm like I was doing that. Does
anyone pay attention to the internet, Like, come on, guys, no, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
I don't know who would I'm trying to think in
real life, but who would actually Probably Paul, one of our.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Producers, just said, obviously nanny Debb.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
I could see Barbara doing that, like accidentally sending one
to one of her one of her girls or something.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Instead of her cute boyfriend boyfriend.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Embarrassing, but you know, her daughters are so cool. They
have such a great relationship. They'd be like, uh, wrong number, mom.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
They'd be like hot though, yeah, taking tips from mom.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
Well, what's coming up next?
Speaker 7 (50:03):
Self?
Speaker 2 (50:04):
I can't believe it? Next episode? Season nine, episode one?
Know this we've noticed.
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All right, friends, We'll see you soon. Thanks for joining
us with for all of this so far up through
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