Trauma of the Best Kind ᐧ EP617

Hilarie reveals the support she got as Peyton dealt with a difficult journey on the show and takes the opportunity to open up about a similar real life experience. The girls discuss impulsiveness, being duped and the most appropriately placed inappropriate joke.  If anything could make you find a silver lining in trauma, it’s this episode.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
We all about that high school drama girl drama girl,
all about them.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
High school queens. We'll take you for a ride. And
our comic girl cheering for the right teams.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Drama Queens girl fashion, but your tough girl, you could
sit with us.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drahna, Queens Drama, Queens.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Oh babe, it was great. This episode was locking great.
But also I'm traumatized.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
By the way I loved this episode so much, And
the whole time I was just watching this emotional tragedy
that you and Chad had to play out, and I
was like, did they just keep Advilla on set for y'all?
Like were they keeping you hydrated? I was so sad

(00:59):
and heartbroken for you.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Both, but same for you. I was just like, why
are they putting Sophia the human through this? Like? This
is hard, guys, this.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Was This is a lot of hard work on this one.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Very different episode, very very different episode, beautifully written, which
is why we're so affected by this By Terrence Coley.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
Why don't you tell them what the rundown is?

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Baby?

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, Terry Colely did such a great job on this y'all.
We're here for season six, episode seventeen, You and Me
and the Bottle makes three tonight, which actually feels sort
of appropriate. It is early here. I don't have a liquor.
I have a smoothie. But our compatriot Joy is shooting
a film. Not that it's about me, but she is

(01:43):
shooting in Sophia, Bulgaria, which does make me feel sort
of she Yeah, she was like, you the whole city, honey.
She was like, it's so beautiful here. You die for
the architecture.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
I was like, that feels nice, fantastic. But it's like
late there.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
It's very late there. She is actually still on set.
She was supposed to join us today. So Hillary, it's
you and Me and the Smoothie makes three. Ooh, girl
on this.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Podcast about a coffee.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
We got coffee.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
I just housed some olive bread I needed to eat
after this, I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
It really it really did make me feel emotional and snacky.
We've really gone a little tangential. But friends, let me
tell you what this one is about. Peyton and Lucas
receive a startling surprise about the pregnancy as Brooke and
Julian's relationship comes to a crossroads. Nathan and Haley celebrate
their anniversary while Dan and Debb babysit Jamie. Meanwhile, Marvin

(02:38):
and Millie try to pick up the pieces of their relationship.
I don't love that the synopsis says you get a
startling surprise, but I wonder if that's a nod to
the title cards of each vignette.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
I see that, So, yeah, that's what was so different
about this. This was written as a collection of like
one act plays, and typically we don't get to do
that in TV because viewers get bored. They're like, oh god,
we've heard the same people talking for two hull pages.
I got to change the channel. And at this point,

(03:10):
I don't I don't know what the catalyst for this
was for us to really like sit in these scenes
and I love it, But it was as an actor. Oof,
it was doing a play. Everyone was doing a play.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah. I remember the combination of excitement and anxiety that
we all felt when we got the script, because yeah,
I mean, these these scenes are seven eight nine pages
in a chunk, and to your point, it is like
blocking a play, and it it's fun when you're six

(03:46):
long years into something to be handed a script and
have it surprise you.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah. Yeah, and this one. I vividly remember filming this
one because Chad and I knew that we had a
mountain to climb together. I'm sure you and Austin felt
the same way. It's like everyone with their scene partner
just locked in and yeah, if we're not seeing sports,

(04:17):
to have that kind of sportsmanship behind the scenes felt good.
It felt like us felt like our show to be like,
all right, let's go shoot our basket, score our touchdown.
You know, like, whatever the we're doing in this scene,
let's make it hurt.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
So what you're saying is your whole script was just
covered in little x's and o's and the emigends.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
I mean kind of yeah, it was dark, you know.
I I as I watched, I was like, Okay, I'm
not gonna get emotional about this, but I do think
we need to provide a trigger warning for anyone who
hasn't watched the episode or has and just you know,
isn't aware on their drive to work that this is

(04:56):
what we're talking about. But you know, fertility, yeah, storylines, uh,
pregnancy loss storylines, abortion storylines, all of that was touched
upon in this episode in a way. Yeah that I'm
actually proud of.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah. We we had some big talks well on that episode.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, they were really large, and it was interesting because
the episode opens, you know, we talked a lot about
how last week was basically like a big rom com.
Yeah and so fun. And one of the things I
saw that I appreciated, and I think this was very
smart of Terry our writer, is that opening on Brooke

(05:41):
and Julian with the misdirect. I don't do that, you know,
it made it feel like that rom com. And it
feels to me like this episode was really written to
like leave one scene from six sixteen and then we

(06:01):
sort of like dove out of the humor and into
something deeper. And I really appreciated that because where we
end up, to your point, the reason we talk about
a trigger warning, you know, we end up really in
heavy stuff for people. And you talked about this last week,
how when you were filming all this stuff as Peyton

(06:23):
and Lucas, you hadn't been pregnant, you hadn't been down
the roads you've been down to become a mom. And
not only did I feel for you, guys watching you,
you know, go through this beautiful play that was so emotional,
but I wondered how you would feel about it now,

(06:44):
having had the life experiences that you've had since.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Well, what'sked up is that I had some experience with this.
I was between seasons one and two. I had some
fertility issues. I had a problem that caused me to
miss a photo shoot in LA and our boss lost

(07:09):
his fucking mind with me and told me I was
ruining everything. And so everyone knows that I'm like the
kid lady, Like I'm like the lady that fucking loves
kids and being a mom is all I ever wanted
to do. My manager still tells the story about, you know,
we were doing some interview at a record store in

(07:29):
Times Square and everyone asked where we were going to
be in ten years, and I was like barefoot and pregnant, Like,
houck you up for me? So the powers that be
knew that I had kind of this heartache about this
specific issue. So it's difficult to watch a younger version

(07:52):
of myself navigate this knowing that my future was going
to be a future of loss. I knew that I
was going to have pregnancy loss. I knew that I
was going to need to have abortions at some point
in my life, you know, And so it was really
easy to cry in these scenes. It's easy to tap
into something like but did they think I was that

(08:12):
they of an actress that we always had to tap
into the real stuff, like, well it was manipulative.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
I was just going to say, I one of the
things I love about you is that you will always
crack a joke no matter how heavy something is, because
that's your sense of humor. But like, as your friend,
that just makes me want to like chop off heads
because it it wasn't that they had nothing else to do.
It was that our boss really enjoyed making people act

(08:43):
out versions of their real personal lives on camera. He
really took a lot of pleasure in that, and for
better or worse, we were very cultured to like always smile,
always be professional, and never let anybody know any of
it was getting to us. That's something I'm certainly working
through as an adult in therapy, like realizing, oh, I

(09:05):
can be miserable and everyone can think I'm happy. This
is uncomfortable. Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Way if I hear that, if I hear one more
time in my life. Like we had no idea you
were upset.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
It's like, oh, really, of.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Course not, because if I'm upset, then I'm unprofessional.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
If I actually say how I feel, I get attacked
for being the problem. So okay, we hit a nerve
with this storyline. And what I will say is that
Chad Michael Murray showed the fuck up. That dude cried
on my coverage. He stayed with me the whole time.

(09:45):
He wanted to really understand what the girl side of
it was. Like. I remember being astounded because we've known
Chad forever. He's like my it's like a brother, which
is st up when like a brother characters playing your husband.
But we had like we picked on each other. We
ribbed each other about a lot. You know, we made

(10:06):
fart jokes together. Like it was a very juvenile friendship
and when you know you have to go into this
really dark ship that hurts with somebody. The way he
showed up made me feel very cared for, and I

(10:26):
was able to express that to him and which made
him in turn feel really cared for that I saw it.
You know, it's one thing when like you do something
nice and then the other person. You don't have to
point it out. The other person just like recognizes it.
And so this was a turning point in our friendship

(10:47):
this episode.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Well, but I you know, I think about that in
terms of our lives, all of us, and where we
had started six years prior. Oh yeah, you know really,
I mean, you have more professional experience in this world
than a lot of us. But like, I feel like
I was a little hatchling, like I had goob behind.
I didn't know what the heck I was doing.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
You done big stuff. Though. I love the Ryan Reynolds comment.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
And this, I know, I know that was very funny.
I was like, I never actually dated that guy?

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Was it? Van Wilder?

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Like the reference to like my first movie ever was
so funny, Like, and I did love that that we
ribbed on the fact that so much of what you
read on the internet is just so far from true
that it's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Well, because who's dated? Who have you looked at your list?
I love?

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Is it crazy?

Speaker 4 (11:40):
I didn't date Pete Wentz in real life? You guys, well, well.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Of course you didn't. By there's so many people that
people think I've dated, And I'm like, I mean, I
guess I'll let you believe that because I don't really need,
you know, in my real business. But before we get there,
like the that whole thing right, like we're referencing our
essential our childhoods on camera in the episode. But what
I really appreciate about what you're saying and what I

(12:06):
could see as a viewer and someone who's known you
guys for close to you know, well twenty years now,
I could see that that dynamic you're talking about not
just this beautiful story for Lucas and Paydon, I could
see it for Hillary and Chad. And what I really
love about what you're saying is, you know, we've talked

(12:28):
a lot on this podcast. Look it's the girls. We
talk about how we raised each other, we grew up together,
we learned lessons together. But something that I think is
really special for you and for him, you know, for you,
like I wasn't sure if you were going to share
this stuff about what happened between season one and two today,
So a thank you there, but b like we'd all

(12:51):
been through a lot in these six years together, and
it is not lost on me that I see you
too in this EID episode go to a place as
partners in a scene that is so deep and so
real and so authentic. And you know, a year later,
you both were gonna have left Wilmington, you had met Jeffrey,

(13:15):
you were starting a family, and like, I don't know
how many years it is, I'm not doing the math
in my head, but not too much longer after this,
I think he went and started a family.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
He did it while he was doing a movie with Jeffrey. Yes,
that's right. Yeah, but I would.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Think that you were friendship and in the same way
for us, like we held you through the beginning of
loss and the journey for you, like as a man,
he got to do that with you. Yeah, And I
should think that your friendship with him going from being
like a sister figure to playing this wife and mom

(13:51):
who he got to show up for, Like you had
to help raise that boy into becoming the man and
the dad he is today.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
He loves being a dad. No one loves me, I know.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
And I think that's so beautiful, Like there is I
don't know. There's just something so special about watching you
guys in this episode and thinking about what everyone's been
through for the last six years. And I love hearing
how helled you both felt in your little one act.
You know, it was a.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Learning experience for me because we're both cancers. We both
have a hard exterior that sometimes people tell us is
unapproachable or just maybe intimidating, like, oh, you aren't someone
who I would come to with a you know, a
problem necessarily because you'd tell me the truth and then

(14:42):
you'd just learned about it.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
So what I learned from having a great writer script
this scenario for me is that I have just as
much strength and softness as I do in my prickliness.
And that's been a big lesson for me in adulthood

(15:07):
is to understand that softness is also powerful, and that's
not something that comes naturally to me. So, you know,
even when Jeffrey and I suffered our first pregnancy loss.
This sounds terrible, but I already practiced this scene, like
I'd already played this scene, so I knew what it

(15:28):
meant to let myself be upset, you know, to try
to be optimistic in the face of that all of that.
But Jeffrey hadn't you know, he had never been given
a script, and he really struggled in what to say
to me and I wrote about that in my book,
and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. For

(15:49):
the guy who hasn't felt all the hormone changes and
the body changes, pregnancy can oftentimes be imaginary and really
hard to connect with. And for the girl, it's the
most serious in the world, whether you want that pregnancy
or not, like it's life or death for you. And

(16:10):
I really credit Terrence for the way he crafted these
scenes because Lucas Scott saying, fine, I'll be the dick,
I'll be the bad guy if it keeps you alive.
Was it real thing for a man to say to
his partner, you know, yes, yes, and you know what.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
I loved that too, I wrote, I wrote that down.
I said, I really like seeing a man be as
sort of I don't want to say rational because it
makes it sound like you're being irrational, But I really
like seeing him be willing to come from that ultimate

(16:48):
place of vulnerability, saying I refuse to do this without you.
I can't do this without you, like you know, I
choose you. And maybe I don't know, y'all. Maybe it's
because most of the people we seem screaming about taking
women's rights away are men. So I'm so used to
them being like it's so sacred and it's what you're
born to do and it's easy, and it's like, actually,

(17:09):
I've had a heart surgeon, and I learned that the
number one cause of aortic dissection in women, literally where
the largest or artery in your body rips apart and
you internally bleed to death is pregnancy. Like, so when
you say it's life and death, it's literally life and death.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
So maybe because culturally, unfortunately in our country, like so
much of the political pushback on women living comes from men.
And I was like, thank you, Lucas Scott, like, thank
you for saying these things, thank you for being willing
to sob and say I hate this, but also I
choose you. I prioritize your life. I was so surprised

(17:48):
by it and the fact that Terry gave you guys
this opportunity to say every single thing and to confront
the fear like he did such a good job, and like, god, yea,
those are the kinds of men you really want to
have in a writer's room.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Well, you know, it reminded me of my husband Jeffrey.
Every once in a while will put on his pro
Rose shirt and just go run errands and do school
pickup and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
God, damn, yeah, that's my man, that's my honey.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, crowd, because it is. It's been so stereotyped in
storytelling that the wife and potential mother needs to martyr
herself in order to be this angelic figure. And for
every woman out there that is going through a medical crisis,

(18:37):
what I don't want is for them to watch Peyton
Sawyer say I'm willing to die for this and feel
like they have to come to the same conclusion. And
so to have Lucas Scott respect the autonomy of his
partner and know the risks that come with it, but
also know that it's her body.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
That was important.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
You know, it was important, and it makes that balance
of storytelling where I'm nervous but he's sure and then
the flip I don't know. I yeah, I loved its ks.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
No, you know what I liked. I liked that you
guys had the space for all of your emotions and
even in the ways you know to your point, like
that women get so pressured to martyr themselves. I mean,
you know, our friend Glennon wrote a whole beautiful book
about it.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Like, I like that.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Even in the moments where I from this year twenty
twenty four looked back at this episode from two thousand
and nine and went, are they just gonna make her
ignore her health? I really liked it, even in the
even in the nuance they gave you the he said
maybe so I want to try. And it's like I

(20:04):
understand that very human habit of holding on to that
little glimmer of hope, you know, like when I think about,
you know, not necessarily even on this topic, but when
I think about, like, oh yeah, in hindsight, I might
be able to see where something wasn't good for me,
but like in the moment, there was a chance, oh yeah,

(20:25):
and I really wanted to bet on the chance. I
really wanted to give it my all. I didn't want
to give up before I was sure that it wasn't
for me. And I just think there's something so human
about that, you know, that everybody can really relate to if.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
You can survive one more day, right, and then the
next day, if you can survive one more day after that.
For me, in my pregnancy with George, after you know,
multiple pregnancy losses, that nine months took forking ever. I mean,
that was the longest period of my entire life because

(21:01):
you have to cut it down into bite sized pieces
like that. You're no, you're not gonna last the full
nine months, that's not gonna happen. But can you last
for six hours? Yeah? Yeah, all right, I can do
six hours and it's a stressful way to live. But
when you're an optimist, let's yeah. And then when you
hit that point, we're like, no, I can't do six

(21:23):
more hours. Then the ability for you to make a
very sure decision is there. You know, when you can't
do the bite sized pieces anymore, then the decisions are
made and it's really really easy. So I like that
as partners, Peyton was able to say, you're such a dick,

(21:44):
and it's not. They're not breaking up. It's not a
fight where it's like we are you're leaving me, you know.
It was, Yeah, we're having a fight and we're gonna
be okay in twenty minutes, but we really need to
have this fight right now.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, it's a big one.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
I love when partners good fight.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
By the way, because it's so healthy. Yeah, but I
love I loved that moment of the back and forth,
and you know, obviously all the pages of this scene,
I loved you saying you're a dick and him saying, fine,
then I'm a dick. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
You know, he's not trying to talk me out of it.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
He's being real clear, and I just, yeah, I just
thought that it was like I thought that it was
very beautifully done.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
Thanks.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
I mean, Greg Prange directed this, And that was another
layer of weird because I had been with his son
for a really long time, and Greg knew me really well,
and he also knew about all these kinds of sad
parts of me, and so he was very careful with
me too.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
I think everyone knew how sensitive this was.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
For me, and so I felt really taken care of,
especially by the guys. The guys somehow knew, I said,
I wasn't gonna cry. They knew that a nerve had
been touched like this, that's a button you don't touch.

(23:09):
And so to do the whole last part of this
season already under duress man. Yeah, we had really good guys.
We had good our you know, Steve Allen reached out
just recently our Dollary Grip and was like, Sis, I
heard you were talking about me on the podcast, so

(23:31):
I'm doing it again. Steve.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
We love you, Steve Allen.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
I just loved our guys, and Chad became a very
dear person to me because of this. So anyway, I
for all the women out there that are triggered by this,
I'm really sorry, and I hope I'm not using language
that's offensive because I'm making jokes and stuff about it.
But yeah, it was. It was just a really complicated

(23:57):
thing to do. But I also, my friend, I see
you in this episode having to do this whole same
thing about relationships and failed relationships and opening yourself up
and being vulnerable to people, which is something that you've
been vocal about, like do you want to light yourself
on fire right now? Do?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:17):
I mean it, it is. It's very wild, and this
journey of Brooks was really personal to me obviously, you know,
I had been through I'd been like pretty lucky to
be pretty sheltered in terms of relationships as a kid,

(24:39):
Like you know, my first relationship was with my best
friend and like my my camp sweetheart since I was nine,
Like I had really sweet, kind, patient people in my life,
and then we all got thrust into adulthood, and I

(24:59):
went through something that was both like so invasive and
public but also like not ever fully talked about, or
like nobody knows the full picture. I mean, obviously you do,
but I don't think it's really anybody's business. There's this
weird thing where like when you're any version of a

(25:20):
public figure, like you almost want everybody to have all
the facts so that things make sense, and then you're
also like nobody deserves that. Yeah, but you know, people
fill vacuums where you give yourself grace or privacy with
their own facts, which are usually pretty gross. And to
go through that after like such a period of sweetness

(25:41):
when I was a kid was very jarring, and so
it definitely what I realize now again, Like props to
my wonderful therapist. Trevor's worth every dollar I pay him.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Thanks Trevor.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
I love you, Trevor.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Also, my therapist calls me dude, which like is just
my favorite thing. He's sort of like when you talk
about how you and Chad became like very brother sister,
Like my therapist feels like the big brother I never had,
not the point. I love him, but you know what
I've learned is that. It taught me like, oh, you
can be living a life and not realize it's not real.

(26:19):
Like you can you can literally think you know what's
going on around you, and there's this whole other thing.
And so what I learned in these six years was
like I don't trust people. Yeah, I have to like
observe people. I you know, I would stay like very
single for long periods of time and just observe people.
Anybody who like wanted to date me, I'd make them

(26:41):
become my friend and I'd observe them to see like
who are you really when you're not trying to like
woo me or impress.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Me, right, you know, like I just you also would
sick your friends on people like hey, yeah, go see
how tell me.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
What you think of this? Like tell me you go
talk to that person and see if I'm crazy because
I really didn't think for a long time that I
could trust my judgment.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
You know, when that gets ripped away from you, baby,
like yeah, it's so hard.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
To come back from that.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Well yeah, and when you when you go through betrayal,
you go like, oh, do I have any idea what's
real and what isn't? Yeah, you know it is a
kind of loss. Like when you talk about loss, it
is a loss of you know, a loss of trust
for others is painful enough, but a loss of self
trust is difficult. And so for me, what I see

(27:34):
being done in this episode is like the people who
knew me and observed me for six years were like, hey, honey,
do you realize you do this? Do you realize you
hold people at arm's length, like you really heisman people?
And I did, like certainly, And I've I've always moved

(27:55):
very I've moved like very slowly for a very long
time time. I think that was just sort of how
I learned to protect myself. And it was interesting to
watch it be written about in a way like because
it's me, but it's not me, and just go like,
oh wow, people really can see me. Oh and like

(28:19):
so we really have our real lives, Like in a sense,
it's like a like a shadow self, like a.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Like a a copy avatar.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah yeah, like like multiplicity, Like it's the second Michael
Keaton where you're like, it's me, but it's not me,
but it's me. I feel this is very intimate and personal.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Oh. I really struggled with Julian in this episode, I
thought he was gross. I thought when Brooke said ick,
which she said you ick at the.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Time, I don't do that.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
I don't do that. I agree with her and I
But then when I saw Peyton's stomach bump, I realized, like, oh,
some time has passed, like that's the thing. Has it
been three months?

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Has it been four months?

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Like? I wish they had given us some semblance of
time other than a growing bump on Peyton.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Well, especially because we kept getting the chirns for the
vignettes seven year itch deleted scene, Like, couldn't they have
given us like a three months later, right?

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Because Julian, the last thing I knew, you were throwing
your letter jacket at him, you know, and you guys
had a fight and then you sort of made up
in the diner.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
It was fine.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
And now he's saying I love you like crazy talk.
It was h It was a little whiplashy for me
in the beginning, But then as as the story progressed
and he kept pushing you further and further and further,
it really felt to me like he was an insull

(29:55):
in high school and actually never really had a girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
I was like, why are you guilty, this chick. It's
so passive aggressive. It's not I don't want anyone to
ever tell me they love me because I've forced them
to before they were comfortable with it.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah. Yeah, it started in such a good place, and
then it did get almost a little combative, and I
was like.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
I don't know if I'm just being sensitive because I'm
protective of Brooke, but yeah, maybe there's I mean, I'm
sure there's people out there there like Hillary Layoff. She
needed to hear the hard love. She needed to hear it,
and sure, maybe, sure, maybe she did, but.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
It just felt really pressure. Well, here's what I think
is cool. I liked the reveal because Brook's never said
it until this episode. I like the reveal that she
has not been in love since high school, you know,
because you can kind of assume it. In the four

(31:05):
years we skipped. We never saw it in the flashbacks.
We saw Victoria making her go on dates so she'd
get photographed with the hot guy for the tabloid whatever.
But to hear her say it, and to see Julian
see it, and to see the discomfort, like I remember
how that felt to stand there and think about what

(31:28):
it would be like to have someone see your secret
that you just haven't opened yourself up to anybody in
so long. And I appreciated as much as I thought
by the end of the scene he was a little petulant.
They wrote him that way. What I appreciated was the
fact that she was able to say, like, no matter

(31:54):
how bad you feel about this dynamic, imagine how I feel.
And that she got to say how hard it is
to be the footnote in someone else's love story. And
what I loved that he said to her in response
is that you gave up feeling like you deserve love.
I was like, oh god, Oh it cuts deep where

(32:17):
you go like, maybe that's just not for me. Like
I've I've had that experience. I've had to come to
terms with that experience, with reaching a point in life
where it's like, well, I know I want to be
a parent, and I know I want partnership, and I
know I want these things, and I have so much
love in my life. So maybe maybe it doesn't look
like it's looked on TV or in movies. Maybe it

(32:39):
looks like a partnership for the good of others. Maybe
it looks maybe it looks like different than I thought
it was going to look like and the real roundabout
for me, the like aha moment is like we said
this idea of Martyring. It's it is what Glennan wrote
her book about. It's like, well, if I'm going to

(33:02):
be in a relationship or a marriage for my eventual daughter,
would I want this relationship for my daughter? And I
think that's a big lesson And I see that in
my life.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
That's so weird. Can I tell you that that exact
quote has popped up in my algorithm multiple times in
the last couple of days and I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
By the way, it's been in mine a lot too.
And I'm like, are they listening to the conversations I'm
having with Trevor, Like what's going on? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Weird. Yeah, it's like her doing an interview talking about
that exact excerpt.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
Yes, weird.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yes, And like I remember when I first read that book,
I sent it to my mom and like it gave
us a whole conversation and my mom and I talked
about like our family histories and generational trauma and things
in my parents' relationship and things in the relationships I've
been in. Like it's such a profound thing of Oh,
we will make all these We'll pretzel ourselves in a

(33:58):
lot of ways, but we would never want anyone to
pretzel our kids. Yeah, Like we don't want them to
be folded up and made small. And I think the
reason I love what's happening in this episode so much
is it rings true for me. It rings true for
me at the age we filmed it, It rings true
for me now where I've been. I know it rang

(34:20):
true for you then, and I know it rings even
truer for you now, given where you've been in your
family and with your stories of loss and like that,
I think is the power of a good story when
you can go like, oh, all of these things are
really unique, these storylines, but they're super universal because they're true.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
Well, it'sn't that step that we could do the show
in our early twenties and then be here in our
forties still triggered by it. And I think that's why
our show was a multi generational show. Like, yeah, if
this were just airing on TV right now, I would
feel just as connected to this character as I did,
yes at twenty five five years old.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Totally agree, And I think that is the magic of
our show. I think it's why we have you know,
we get to hang out with all these different groups
of intergenerational fans when we go to events and stuff.
Everyone in their forties relates to it, and so does
everyone in their twenties. And by the way, like so
to our parents. And I was about to say in
their sixties. Then I'm like, sure, our parents are in
their seventies and they're still like totally haraforing.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Hatey Hamory, you know, like yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
And I just think I think this is the specialness
of story. And so often when our real stories were
used on camera it felt gross, But this I actually
really appreciate for us.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Yeah, I mean I don't mind having a script in life.
I don't mind having like a practice run. And that's
what our show really was for us in a lot
of ways. Like Chad was my first wedding and first
you know, pregnancy and all this kind of stuff, and
you just get to you know how people drive around

(36:01):
in their cars and they have fake conversations just to practice. Yeah,
do you do that? I do that.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Oh, I talk to myself and other people who aren't
here in my house all day all the time.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
You have to practice the conversation. Yeah, you're out the conversation.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah. Sometimes you got to practice ahead of time, and
sometimes five years later you're like what I.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Should have said was and another thing, Oh, I'll bring
it back up.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I'm gonna say this.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, this was for a lot of my stuff, Like
our practice run one Tree Hill, So we practiced.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
And do you ever wonder in like, maybe this is
kind of up, but do you ever watch our show
and go like, did this did we like manifest all
the things that happened to us later? Like did the
show say to the universe, Oh more of this? Because
I would have liked to have been like, no, no,
this is just for work.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Honestly, we conjured so much unintentionally did this show? Because
when you when you say things are little witch. Yeah,
when you say things out loud, that's powerful. You know
the power of speech is incredibly powerful. And you know
you when you put your energy into words and ideas
and thoughts and you do it over and over and
over again, it ends up happening. It always. If I

(37:15):
say someone's name three times, you bet your they're gonna
send me a Facebook message or text me, or just
can show up at the supermarket. It's a nightmare, so
I'm really careful what I say. And yeah, with this show,
yeah yeah, having a baby, having pregnancy complications. You know,
Peyton was all about mom and pop shops, you know,

(37:37):
the trick of it all to all Ages club, and
here I am with the town candy store, you know,
hanging out with all the teenagers. It just feels really cyclical,
and I like that, and I think it's happening for
other characters on our show too. You know, when we
see Nathan and Haley, you know, when we see Mouth

(37:58):
and Millie even having these like very hard conversations, we
know the people behind it who have conquered really hard
things in their life, and we know that maybe this
was a good practice run for everybody on Adult Ting, Like.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah, I mean, and that's something I think is so
cool is the stages of relationships everyone in. Like Brooke
and Julian are on the precipice of something and he's
asking her to leap with him. Peyton and Lucas are
on the verge of this whole new frontier, and then
we get to go with Nathan and Haley with our
other like you know, pillar couple.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Thank God they're safe.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Thank God. But by the way, how cute that they're
in the seven year itch moment and instead of it
being a problem with their relationship, their relationship is stronger
than ever. But they're both being really honest that individually
they don't have what they want yet, that they want
more of the things that make them as individuals happy.

(38:58):
Nathan wants to pursue basketball, and because he wants to
pursue basketball, he knows Haley wants to pursue music. Yeah,
and like, who could call her on that but him
and say like, I saw your face. And the reason
I know the feeling is because I get that feeling.
I love that he does that for her.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
And this when she says there's only room for one
attention whrror in this fam, I was like, so good, girl,
I heard that.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
I heard that.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yeah, No, there's definitely room for two attention whoors in
every family, but no more, no more? Uh. Yeah. I
liked that they had that really honest conversation because, first
of all, when they first show open in that house,
I'm like, what the are they doing in a house?
Why didn't they just go to a hotel. Yeah, but
there's something kinky about being in a for sale house.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
You know, listen, seven years in, we're getting lessons on
how to keep it spicy.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
You know, we hooked, definitely hooked up in a house
that was for sale once.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Because he's on my face.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
I was like, are you gonna say it? Are you
gonna say it? Because I know the story, that's all.
I'm so red.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
I'm so proud of you. I'm not embarrassed. We have
been together for fifteen years. We can do whatever we want.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
I am real proud of you, babe.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
So that's all I could think about, is I watched
this scene like, get that, Hailey, I get that. Yeah, Okay,
making moves. That's why seven years.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
In that feels right. I also loved again, like when
we talk about this idea that our characters feel a

(40:49):
little bit like the first Michael Keaton in Multiplicity, you know,
like just one copy over. Watching Nathan and Haley run
around in this house and sort of fantasize about this
parallel universe life. It feels like they're toying with their
own little avatars. Oh yeah, what would it look like?
And talking about what could be?

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Yeah, And it was interesting to me that she kept
choosing like movie references. It was like she was trying
to create a because she didn't grow up necessarily in
a conventional household. Her parents have sold the house, they're
living in an RV. You know, she's trying to create
the fantasy, right, the white picket fence, the old house

(41:33):
filled up with kids, like it's a very antiquated version
of what a happy family looks like. And then Nathan
comes in and is like, but that's not our happy.
Our happy is mom on the road, which is the
exact opposite of mother martyrdom, you know, And to have

(41:54):
the boy recommend that what I want to know, who
Terry's their therapist? Was our writer? Because yes, by the way, who's.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
That man's therapist? And can Terry maybe write like an
advice book for dudes, what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Well?

Speaker 5 (42:10):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Like when I had my first miscarriage and Jeff didn't
know what to do, someone gave me a book that
was written by a man who had experience, and was
it helpful? It helped me because all of a sudden
I understood what he was going through. And then when
I gave it to him, he didn't feel like an alien,
you know. So for Terry, yeah, Terry, we need you
to write a book on all things like how to

(42:33):
support your partner's career, how to deal with loss, how
to show up in a way that's helpful and not manipulative.
Also though, like don't force people to tell you that
they love you.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that was probably a little bit of
a device to poke the bear, to poke the brook.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
Yeah, we needed Julian. He's not a perfect person. He's
not good, he's not bad, he's just trying.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah, well, and you don't always get it right, and
that is something that I think is actually so important
to show on TV because part of the problem, like
when you talk about what Hayley's trying to achieve, you
watch those rom coms and you think that's what your
life is supposed to be like, and that's not life.
It's not that easy. And I actually like when our

(43:24):
characters don't always get it right and then they figure
out how to get through it, because that's what we learn. Like,
that's what you're talking about with this book. You guys
got it taught you how to get it more right
with each other because you didn't know how yet.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Yeah, for anybody that is going through something like that, though,
we should.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
I'm gonna yeah, what is the book?

Speaker 4 (43:45):
It's called Vessels And Okay. It was so incredibly helpful,
not just in this but in like my home marriage.
It is a book by Daniel Rayburn.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
R AE b U r N.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
It's wonderful. It was a really it was a really
helped book because I do think the boys get a
bad rap. You know, they're not necessarily given a ton
of great examples of how to be involved in their
partner's hard stuff. It's almost like they're given this choice,

(44:17):
like you can either be overbearing and man's plain and
tell her what to do, or just be so hands
off that she's abandoned.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
That she's like I can't believe I did this with you.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
Yeah. Nathan could very easily say like, whatever you want, Haley,
whatever you want. Yeah, but he's involving himself. He's got
a lot on his plate. She's coming to him with
this problem of like, hey, so I got suspended. Sorry
I didn't tell you, but maybe let's just change our

(44:49):
whole life right now. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
It's sort of like when you go through when someone
goes through a breakup and they cut bangs and you're
like no, no, no, I went through that in my
in my crew, in my crew, well, I mean I've
done it, but no, this summer, like with everybody, everybody
I know was either getting divorced or having a baby.
I was like, well it's a wild but in like

(45:12):
my closest crew, of the five of us, now it's
four who one stayed and four didn't who were all
getting divorced. My best friend called and was like, so
is today the day I get bangs? And I was like,
We've been doing this dance for fifteen years. We do
not go through a breakup and cut bangs. We're not
doing this. And so I wound up getting our friend Ricky,

(45:34):
who is like our big consulting, wonderful hairdresser. When we
did our salon and Detroit. We called Ricky and I
was like, Ricky, I need you to order nia instead
of clip in bangs so she can clip them in
on the days that she thinks that she wants these
and then she can take them out because I know
her as well as I know myself, and she never

(45:56):
is happy three days after she cuts up. We've done
this twice in the last decade, and so now we
both have clip and banks Sophia.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
If you don't launch a line of brook Banks, I
am gonna be so mad at you. You have been
talking about clip and bangs for years.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
I'm obsessed with them. I know it's like the easiest
way to have a change.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Yeah, if you don't, if you don't get on that,
I'm gonna be furious with you.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Okay, who do we talk to? Do you want to help?

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Well? Apparently your friend who can make bangs? Yeah, I
just need someone with like a little gray stripe right here,
a little white stripe. Yeah. Brook Banks are gonna be
a huge seller at Target, my friend, no one else
is selling just like bangs.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Oh They're all I want.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Just put them in the same aisle as all the
shampoo and hair products and stuff at these like big stores,
and every woman that's like got that one hour to
herself between work and kid pick up is just gonna
be like.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna try them.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
I just need a bang.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
We just need like a like what what are the
ends of the aisles Kiosk?

Speaker 4 (47:02):
You just need a little Kiosks aisle.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Cap I want that.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
You're gonna make so much money on this idea.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Me and Sally Hanson, let's go.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
I love new nails, new bangs. Knew you. I can
love it so much. I do want bangs just because
I do too.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Wait, speaking of changes that people make, this is sort
of a hard left, but sort of not.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
No, I know, are you getting lasick? Lasic?

Speaker 3 (47:29):
The lasik is a big old change because when when
mouth finds her glasses in the drawer, like this old
piece of her has been left behind, I'm.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
It really hit me.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
It made me like, it made my little voice catch
in my throat.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
You know what I liked about it. My gut reaction
when she said I got lasick was that she did
this thing.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
She didn't consult him.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
She you know, it's a cosmetic procedure, but she made
this decision completely on her own, the same way she
did with her virginity. She didn't consult anyone. And there
seems to be this gradual building of Milly where she
doesn't need permission for sure. And when he's like, I

(48:16):
missed the glasses, had she asked him should I get lasik?
And he said no, I like the glasses. An old
Millie that would have altered her decision, But new Milly's
like I'm not gonna ask anybody. I just don't want
to wear these things in my face anymore.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Mm hm. And I'm wondering. I'm like, did I can't remember,
did Lisa actually get lasik during those episodes she was
off because remember we were all getting lasik done by
Mike Lehon's wife.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Yeah, Kayleone.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
I'm like, did Kate fix her eyes? Like I don't
know prior to this episode? I'm so cute.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Were Lisa's glasses ever real?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Okay, they were real? Interesting? No? Yeah, I like it.
I like it for Millie. You know, it's a little
she's all that taking the glasses off and being infinitely
like hotter.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
Now she's she's not a virgin anymore.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Look at her. She's in high boots and silk and
there's cleavage.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
She was she was in a brook Davis Tyler sugar.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
I love that top.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yeah, it looked fantastic. And I was like, why don't
we still have blouses like that? Because I liked how
they hug your tits, but they're not snug on my
belly because I don't like snug on my belly.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
I don't either. I want to be able to eat
a burrito and have people not ask me if I'm pregnant.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
So we're gonna sell bangs and hugging shirts, but but
leave that belly free.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Okay, God, Sophia, we have so many things to do
business wise.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
I just love this.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
No. I I like that Mouth apologized to her. I
like that he copped to the text messages and was like,
I am accepting ownership of this. And I also like
that it still wasn't enough for Milly because she was like, I, okay,
you're sorry, Like, okay, but this is my stuff. This

(50:11):
I have to deal with this in my head, like
I don't need your permission to forgive myself. I need
to handle me. There's just again, it's like an autonomy
story where she is centered in herself. It was great. Yeah,
I hated for her. I feel bad, but she looks
hot and seems like she's on the right path, and

(50:35):
I guess I'm not worried about her. I know she's
crying in her car, but sometimes we do that for fun.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Sometimes you just need a good cry.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Girl. If a Celindion song comes on, hey, I'm gonna
feel some things.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Little Pola Cole, Oh, come on.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
O'Connor, come on, just like the old emo girl songstresses.
I want to hurt my my my girlfriend Betty, who
just covers So did you see the pole cover? I
just that's why I said, Oh god, I know killed me.
I was like, more of this, please, we got to

(51:16):
send it to all our Dawson's friends.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
It is really really good. Do we think they're going
to get back together? He kept He kept the glasses
in the drawer, which I like because when men leave
things planted in their apartment, it means they don't plan
on bringing anything new over or they're sadistic. But I
don't think Mouth cisadis. I don't think I don't either.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Yeah, I'm as much as I don't love the way
that they've written some of this stuff for Mouth. I
just I like Mouth and Milling together. I think. I
think my my hope is that they get past you know,

(52:00):
im petulant writing.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
Because he's already said even though Terry wrote really like
lovely things for him to say in this episode, he
said some eightish previous episodes, and it's like.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
It was not cool.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Oh it's hard to it's hard to get over.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Yeah, I will say, though, what I do really appreciate
is him him owning his behavior. Finally, you know, I
felt like that was a really long time coming.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Well, was that another dig at our boss? You said
on the last episode that Mike Harrow was taking digs
at our boss with all of the like creepy director behavior.
And so there's a part of me, with all this
text message talk that makes me think that maybe Terry
was playing the same card because the text messages were relentless.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Well and the and the text messages, like Gigi's entire
storyline is our boss is fantasy of how he wishes
women would throw themselves at him. So yeah, I wonder,
I wonder if there's some sort of role reversal call
out happening with mouth there.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
Yeah, just even like participating in that when you're in
a relationship is no bueno.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Well yeah, and I don't I don't know what was
happening in season six, but I definitely know, you know,
some of our sweet friends who come in next season,
I do know that one of the things our Boss
would do to them a lot would be like, oh yeah,

(53:37):
send me a picture of your fitting, Like I want
to see what the outfits are, Like, you know, wardrobe
is slow, and then it would be like, well, you know,
but you've got you've got a scene, you have a
love scene with so and so, Like what are the
underwear options? And he would essentially, like, under the guise
of meaning to pick wardrobe, like, would force women to

(53:58):
send photos of themselves in underwear to him?

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 3 (54:02):
I'm not so. I wonder. I wonder if I wonder
if he had tried to pull that with any of
our sweet little guest stars this season, and if that
was part of the gig of it all. I don't know,
I'd be very curious to ask. Also, I'm just like,

(54:22):
what a loser like you really have nothing better to
do with the whole Internet at your disposal? Like why
do you have to bumb people?

Speaker 4 (54:29):
Are you professionals at your disposal?

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Internet at your disposal to find whatever kind of pictures
you're looking for? Why you gotta why you've got to
make people.

Speaker 5 (54:38):
On take your kink elsewhere?

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Sir?

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Thank you? You know what kind of kink we like?
Cutie couples in the houses, what kind of kinks we
don't be in? A creep people who don't want you
to be a creep in their cell phones.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Yeah, don't be a cell phone creep. Tap, Dan's being
a creep.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
The flip, dude, the flip, And it was exactly what
we talked about last week. We love Dan Scott so much.
In these moments, we can't believe it. He seems different.
And then the flip on Deb. I was like, Oh,
there he is.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
He almost got us, didn't he.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
He almost got us? We knew better.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
See, this is why I don't trust my judgment every time.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
We fall for it every time with Dan Scott. Oh,
how come you and Nan or nanny Deb aren't together?
And you're thinking, I get it, Jamie. I'd want them
to get.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Back together too, because you love them both so much.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
And then Deb is like not today, and then he
blames her. We need to be more, Deb, We need
to be like no, I'm gonna hate you forever and
then ten more years after forever. Yeah, she's cold. I
like that.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
You know what I call that? I call that a
strong boundary. Thank you, Trevor, Thanks Trevor.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
I appreciate your therapist, Trevor, because I get like the
trickle down effect where now you talk me off my ledges.
It works out great for everybody.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
It's been it's been wonderful.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Did you think when deb was looking at that photo
album that she was going to make a pass down
or something?

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I caught myself holding my breath. Yeah, right, yeah, I
was like, what is this? What's happening? Are we reminiscing? What?

Speaker 4 (56:30):
What? And then I see, you know what she was doing.
She was compartmentalizing the way that we do where we're like,
everything's fine, it's great. I I hold you, but you'd
never know anything makes sense.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
I'm fantasizing about plotting your death, but you'd never know.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
Oh my god, yeah, Deb, she's a great actress.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Deb Well.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
And the shock then, because they really get into it
and it gets heightened and heightened and and it starts
in this sweet memory right with Disney. So then the
photo album makes sense and you're kind of like, oh
my god, what's happening. Is this family finding some semblance
of healing? And do we want that? And then she
slaps him with it and then he really just god,

(57:17):
he comes back to her. Yeah, he comes back in
full force and he grabs her and he's vicious, and
then in walks the kid with the beeper and you go.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Now, right when she says, I can't wait for you
to die, like that makes me believe in justice God.
All right boy, yeah, well look, we all know what's
going to happen. It's one of the most legendary moments
in Tree Hill history, and I can't wait to talk
about it.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Oh that poor dog.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
What was your honorable mention for this episode?

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Honestly, for me, I'd give the honorable mention to Terry,
to our writer.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
He did such a beautiful job.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
He really my gallows humor. And so my honorable mention
is for the specific lines where Peyton's like, oh, I'm
gonna haunt your ass. But just she says, think about
how much Jake Jigelski single dad tail, You're gonna get
it right, the Jake Chigelski reference in the midst of

(58:19):
this super traumatic talk.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
It's so funny, guys.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
This is why I'm always making like horrible jokes right
when we're about to get really vulnerable, because like, that's
what they did to me on this show. They just
ingrained this morbid sense of I love it, fuck it up.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
I love it, I need it because I'll, you know,
I'll sit and talk about feelings all day. I need
you to be like, shut up and drink this.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Drink Yin and Yang. I hope you all have your
Yin and Yang partner. Uh out there in the world.
We have a question, baby, what's our question here? Uh?

Speaker 3 (58:56):
It's from Jamie. If you girls had a cheer coach
in the earlier seasons, who would you have liked to
cast for that role?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (59:07):
Fun, Okay, So I had some real cheer coaches, and
I'm that really stood out to me. And I'm trying
to think of, like who their celebrity counterpart was. I
had Linda Harmon, who was like the tiniest little Italian
woman who would just tear our asses up. I mean,
she was terrifying. But we were the best. We were

(59:28):
the best cheerleading squad.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yeah, you lived to impress her.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Oh God, I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
And maybe this is just because we are so nostalgic
for them because we've met them now and they've been
so kind to us. But what I would give for
like another iconic teen show actress, Like imagine if Tiffany
Theeson or Jenny Garth, Yeah, had been our cheer coach,

(59:56):
like someone from nine o two and zero or saved
by the belt like Kelly Kapowski is our cheer coach.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Come on, yeah, that would have crushed for shit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
I would have flipped.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket, that's the wair.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
I like that. I mean, you know how much she
meant to me in real life being able to kind
of coach me after leaving this show having a All
my coaches were like grown ups, like moms. They were older,
but having a chick that's only like eight years older
than you, ten years older than you. Yeah, they're close

(01:00:36):
enough to what you're going through that they're not going
to talk down to you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Well, and it would have been such a cool person
to have on the show because for anyone who doesn't
want to go to a parent with a problem, you
have this older peer. It's like a real intergenerational friendship.
I would have really liked that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Yeah, that's the right answer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
In a parallel universe, our cheer leading avatars.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Are with her.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Yeah, Tiffany's the best. There's just nobody cooler.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
Let's spin a wheel, all right. We have a most
likely too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Oh, most likely to buy a motorcycle without telling their partner.
I mean he's not on our show, but that's your husband.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
He's literally walking in the door right now, come here,
we just you know how we do most likely too.
On the podcast we just spun the wheel and the
question is who is most likely to buy a motorcycle
without telling their partner? And Sophie it's like, it's you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
I said, he's not on our show, but it's Jeffrey,
hi show.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
I just bought a car with us. Oh stop it,
get out?

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
What did he did? He really?

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Yeah, my husband wasn't on the show, but he almost
was his uncle Keith. But is it Craig Sheffer then
is a chef you know?

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Yeah, Scheffer would probably do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
That because didn't we see pictures of him riding motorcycles
with his daughter Willow? Yes, yeah it's chef, it's uncle Keith.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Yeah, because I don't think any of the other boys
ride motorcycles.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Well, Austin always would show up to like lunch in
La on a. That's right, he thought it was a motorcycle.
I was like, Austin, what is this girl bike?

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Kerra?

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Well he had that old he bought like one of
those cool old vintage Triumphs and I think it like
never started and then he him and Patty did that
trip to Italy and he was like, Vesmas are cool
and we were all like, are they?

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
I listen, I'm so mean to party all that, and
that just means that I love him so much. I'm
rough on him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
You tease him the most, probably because we talk to
him the most.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Well, yeah, yeah, it feels right. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
You gotta punch your brotherly figures every once in.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
A while because he's cute. He's cute. It's like you
hit the cute boy. I'm sorry. Season six, episode eighteen.
Next week, searching for a former clarity fingers crossed, we survive.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
The titles really make me nervous Sometimes I'm like, does
that mean it's going to be a bummer. I don't know.
We'll see, friends, thanks for joining us. We will. We
will see if we get joy from Sofia next week.
You guys, I'm never gonna get over it. I don't
know why. It makes me laugh so much.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
You have to go. I want to go Sofia and
Sofia me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
And my town. I've never been to Bulgaria. I would
like to go.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
If someone can find me a town named Hillary, that's
your project, America okay, gonuts.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
If you liked the outdoors, we could get you a
bunch of like snowboarding gear from Burton. But you don't
want that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
You want me to christ I would take.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
You, but I know you won't go with me, So
it's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
I'll go one day, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
One time.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
You heard it here, folks, she promised, I love you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
I love you, see next week us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
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