January 3, 2023 • 58 mins
Hilarie, Joy and Sophia recap the episode that keeps on giving…and the storylines run even deeper and with more meaning this time around.
Plus, Ernest Waddell (aka Derek Sommers) joins the girls to dissect his time on the show including his instigation of Peyton and Lucas.
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Season four, Episode eight, Nothing left to say but goodbye.
I really liked this episode, Okay, didn't never twenty second
two thousand six, Derek, the real Derek convinces Peyton to
take a chance with Lucas at the same time that
Brook approaches him about getting back together. Bad timing. Dante's
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latest demand leads Nathan to seek help from an unlikely source.
Isn't an unlikely source, It's he most likely and Dan.
When Rachel learns of a failing grade, she turns to
Haley for tutoring, and Nathan is named m v P
m v P of the Ravens at the annual sports banquet,
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in spite of the fact that he's been shaving points.
Dunt Janice directed this one. I liked her a lot. Yeah.
I liked that this was like a Thanksgiving episode and
it was the big banquet, you know, it was a
way to November twenty two. It's like a way to
do a holiday without doing a holiday. You know, we're
all together at dinner and it's awkward, like everyone else's holiday.
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That's so Funday. Yeah, yeah, I dug it. I mean
here's my question though. The episode starts off with Nathan
at the river Court, and we didn't talk about this
last time. Um, but like Nathan kind of taking over
the river Court as opposed to just practicing in the
gym or someplace that's like monitored by adults, seems dumb
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to me. Like if he just went through this experience
for the two older men in the community cornered him,
why is this child like hanging out all by himself
in this public setting where bad things have already happened,
Like I'd be hold up. I guess he thought it
was over because he believed them. It's a little gullible. Well,
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and by the way, I feel like your question answered
your question. You're like, why is this child doing this
dumb thing? And it's like, well, because kids are dumb. Yeah,
he's a teenage boy. He's just like everything's done. I
did it. It's over. And it's like, oh you you
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have never watched The Godfather, have you, young man? This
kid needed to hide out lay low until like everything's over. Instead,
he's just willy nilly all by himself down dribbling his
wealthy white privilege around because his dad has always bailed
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him out of every situation, so of course he has
the muscle memory of like, oh, okay, I got away
with it. It's over. I'm done. Okay, fine, it's over.
He Yeah, he has no concept. Although I do love
that he went to Dan for help in this, I
don't love the way Dan handled it. I feel like
I was waiting for him to like muscle up and
really do something destardly to the dastardly people. Yeah, one time.
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At that time, Dan's not corrupt. I'm like, listen, if
we know anything about Dan Scott or like I don't know.
We've read the news ever in the last twenty years,
it's like small town mayor is not going to dispatch
the like crooked cops on the p D for Mr
put these guys in jail until after the game, Like hello, Wow,
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the one time Dan's not willing to be completely inappropriate
is perhaps the one time it's warranted so his kid
doesn't get his knees broken. But okay, But so this
is the back story that I found sweet resting because
Dante and act like they know Dan Scott from high
school and they're about the same age, So what's that backstory?
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Did they play together? Did they play against each other?
When Danny was on JV, Like, what is the story
they said? That would have been so cool they had
said that when Dan walked into the strip club and
they were like, look who it is, our old boy?
Did you know something like the young hot shot whatever?
Because ps the minute Nathan says you know, Dan asks
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him what their names are, and Nathan says Dante and Bear,
and Dan knows immediately who they are. And it's like
if there had been backstory rather than oh, everybody knows
the local mafia guys like, which is ridiculous, who are
these people? They needed a name for their gang? If
he knew them from high school, it's much more interesting.
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So much, Yeah, and you're right they should have done that. Um,
do you think Dan was being more docile because he's
trying He seems to be trying to become a better
person at this school, Karen that was going on. I
think he doesn't want to funk up Nathan's like Duke prospect.
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I think it's more about the legacy of basketball. Then
it's like trying to impress Karen, you know, not impress her,
but like if there's some sort of sincere change. I
do think he's on his best behavior around her. She does.
He does present as his best self, which is essentially
the bare minimum for a normal person when he's around Karen.
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But I I agree with Hill and that I really
think he looks at the facts. And because Dan doesn't
care about Whitey at all, he doesn't give a ship
if Whitey loses that last championship. He just wants Nathan
to be okay and to go to Duke. So it's like, well,
you know what, it sucks for everybody else, but you're
still gonna win. And that's classic Dan Scott. I don't
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care what happens to anybody else as long as I win.
And he's telling Nathan to do the same thing. That's
true that happened in my high school. We went we
went to the state well, no, we went to the
state championship, and there was a boy from my school
who had gotten like a full ride to uv A
to go play football. There was a real fear that
he could get hurt in that final game and it
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would screw up his scholarship, and so she told everyone
he had mono and couldn't play. So our star player
did not play in the state championship game and we
lost by one point. We lost by like a kick
at the end, and you know, he was absolved because
his future was set. But for everyone else whose last
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game it was, it was like devastating. And for the
poor kicker who like all came down on that kid.
I think he was like a sophomore too that they
brought up from the soccer team, and so his heart
was broken. Um, but this one kid, all of us
were like, you don't have mono, like show us the letter.
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But all his mother cared about was like, I'm preserving
your future. I don't give any of these other kids
like You're the only one I care about. So that
reality for Dan Scott is like pretty believable, you know,
just I'm only here to care about my kid. Yeah. Well,
and by the way, I can't say I don't get it,
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like the idea, especially because of how intense those contact
sports are. Like a kid gets a concussion, a kid's
need gets snapped in the wrong direction, and they're there,
their career is over there, They're dealing with a disability
for the rest of their life. And this idea that
you know, what I think our show did well in
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the moments was when it really told the story of
the everyman and like the small town kid, and before
we jumped the shark and everyone became the most successful person.
What they did, like wheat has got to live up
to that. Everyone had to be exceptional. But but I
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think there's it's like I get that fear of this
is one more night that's either going to make or
break your life. My kid's only chance to go to college,
to go to college, debt free, to have a future,
is making sure that they stay safe for this, you know,
three more hours of a Saturday night. And that's a
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tough one. That that is a moral dilemma that I'm
you know, I'm not sitting here being like I would
have done the same thing. I'm just going, Oh, that
is that is heavy, Like that that amount of stress
and pressure because because It's like, what message does it
send to the kid. I'm not saying it's it's good
or bad. I'm just wondering what the message is that
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you can't You've been working towards this with your whole team,
everybody's been on the same page, and then at the
last minute, then you can't say you can't participate. Like
did he want to? And he's he was forced not
to or was he Like nobody knows, that's what those
private conversations were. But to force your kids to not
participate in something that they wanted to, they've when working
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toward all year, and like not sharing the joy of
the winning maybe or that that moment. And as a parent,
you're saying, my job, my job is to protect you. Yeah. Absolutely,
And you know what, what I'm realizing is really interesting
is that there's a layer added because Hillary, you're telling
a story about the football team, and because football is
such an injury prone sport. Basketball it's like, who gives
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you're gonna go play the game? Like what are we
talking about? You know, the threat to Nathan is that
they're going to break his knees. It's not that his
knees are going to get broken in a basketball game.
It's so much less likely that you have, you know,
a career ending an injury, and I don't know man
that I'm like, oh, I'm like, that's a that's but
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all the other parents are like, you know what, my
child has sacrificed their body to make your our child
look good for the last four years. The least you
can do is show us show up and walk out
onto that court or so uncomfortable. That's what I think
about the message, Like, what's the message that's being set
subliminally for that kid to the rest of his life
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walking out going Everyone else is allowed to make sacrifices
for me, but I don't make them for other people.
Ask the message. There's no I in team, but there
is interesting. I mean, do you think that Nathan should
play like you're in Nathan shoes? Do you think that
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he should throw the game? Yeah? I think he should play,
and he should and he should not throw the game.
I think he should play his hard out and do
the right thing and deal with the consequences afterwards. I
guess I'm like, if knowing what the court courting processes
for college sports, like that recruiter comes in and they
take you to dinner and they meet your mom and
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dad and there's like a whole little the fair where
they try to get you to choose their school. Like
why doesn't Nathan just pick up the phone and be like,
I'm getting you know, I'm getting outroaded. I'm not the
first or last kid who is going to encounter this
situation because he's a dumb kid and those guys are
big and scary. Well, and I think because there is
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the fear. There is always the fear when you have
done something wrong, even if it started as an innocent
situation or mistake. The fear is if I tell everything
will be over, Yeah, if I if I admit how
far this has gotten, this will be a catastrophe. And interestingly,
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in in in that very human instinct to try to
avoid what you see as your present potential catastrophe, you
make the coming catastrophe worse. That's why I think he
should play and play hard and do the best you
can and try and win and not throw the game,
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because it's just you just keep creating the lies. Snowball
man and deception snowballs. It just keeps going and gets
bigger and bigger. I don't know, I think you gotta
keep your side and straight clean as much as you can. Meanwhile,
I feel like we were having a pretty good time
with Rick Fox and Conrad fair Like. It was cool.
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That energy was fun, Like just you guys are here
to bullious. I like it and I love you. I
loved you. In the cafe with them, You're like, thanks, boys,
give me some more money. I know. So cute. They
were fun, they were fun to have around. They were
so lovely. Yeah, my boobs looked huge in this episode.
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Hot in this episode. Okay, so the last two episodes,
whatever was going on with the Maxim fall out, you
were making them pay for that joy because oh you
wanted some of this, Well, then you're missing me. Um,
you made him pay. I liked it. I like the
little lacey dress at the banquet too. What was fun
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about this stage that we're entering into for Haley in
the pregnancy is that, Um, what many people don't know
about me is, um, I am a bit gluten intolerant,
and when I eat certain things, my stomach instantly looks
like I'm pregnant instantly, and um to the point where
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I've had people come up to me and be like,
oh my gosh, I didn't know. Stop. Oh oh, I'm
not kidding. Any time I eat a sandwich, people on
the internet are like, oh my god, she's pregnant, and
I'm like, listen, I am aware that it looks like
I have swallowed a whole bowling ball, but that sandwich
was delicious and it was worth it. And I don't
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know what you want for me, and like, I have
photos that much. You guys know, my my best friend Babs,
we have a picture the two of us standing side
by side in a mirror picking our shirts up, and
we look like too pregnant best friends. And he had
just we had been traveling for like three weeks and
didn't have an option to eat food we weren't allergic to.
And it is I'm going to dig it up and
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send it to you. It is unbelievable how pregnant we look.
And it's like, well, it's just it's back then we
didn't know. I didn't know a lot about allergies or
what I need. Eight hours. It was like you just
go over to the craft table and shove in your
mouth whatever's there. Whenever hot you know, hot pockets snack
they bring out at eleven o'clocket. So I'm showing all
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this stuff in my mouth and I'm like, you know
what this But I'm always having to suck my stomach
in every time that happens. And so finally, for the
next like I don't know, seven or eight episodes, I
just relax because Hayley pregnant, so I could tell let
it all gro. You used your instrument, you knew your instrument,
and you were like, I'm making art right now. I
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am going to use this. But I think I was
wearing a padded bra for the pregnancy stuff. But yeah,
that was fun. It was a fun. Look Um, we're
going to talk about the banquet, Okay, I remember being
going out of order, but whatever, we're going out of order.
But I remember being very pro banquet hair do. Yes
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you are. I loved it. Yeah, I loved it at
the time. To you, it was in bohemian joy and
that was a vibe I was into. I feel like
the image you brought in, wasn't it from along Came Polly? No,
it was from Jennifer Aniston at your Clothes, But Jennifer
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Aniston at the Golden Globes. The usual were in the
cold dress and crazy and she had graides like in
her in her beachways. Yes, and you wanted those little
braids and your wives. And the reason the reason it
worked on her as because she was incredibly toned in
hands of her body structurally looked like it was like
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a sculpture structure. And the dress she was wearing was
very structured. It was a long gold dress that I
think had like maybe rectangular beads on it or something,
so it was super angular everything. Then so then you
compliment that with the wildness of the hair and it works.
But with this I'm already wearing a frilly dress. I
didn't have My body wasn't in that sort of like
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structural format, and it was just like I literally looked
like I had been sleeping days on that hair with
never washing it and never taking a shower. That's what
it looked like. And by the way, that's what our
bosses all told me. And I was like, you guys
don't have any creativity. You're just you know, silly boys,
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you don't know, trying to control me. The hottest thing
I'm in red carpet. No, it really wasn't. I thought
it could have been used a little. But here's what
I'll say. It had strong like Game of Thrones energy, oh,
where it was like, yeah, it was themed. Hell. We
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were saying when we were watching the scene between Brooke
and Haley and the banquet that after Brooke walks away,
I don't know what you said. You said something about
like I'm just not sure anymore something. You walked away
from me, and I just really wanted you to turn
around and come back and say do you need a
hair brush? It's when Brooke is telling Haley what a
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good friend Rachel has been to her. Oh yeah, that's
what it is. Oh yeah, I just love that, like
Brooke and Rachel for the last couple episodes have morphed
and like the outfits match, the hair matches, the eyeliner matches.
It's like when your cycles sync up when you're living
with another girl. It's a total subconscious thing where it's like,
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wait a second, you're the same human now, Like so cute. Yeah,
it's really cute because you had your hair all bouncy
and curly, and I'm like, look at all that girl
and Daniel's hair today George washed the episode over my
shoulder and she was like, is that the same person?
Great too? I loved that red forties lip on you
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with your hair all baby, that was so pretty. And
Rachel Danielle doing that sixties headband. Yeah, dress look so
yeah with a little boufa in the back. Yeah. It
is interesting that both of us went kind of period.
I liked it. It was it was very sweet. I
liked that red lip too. Well. If you're not wearing
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a red dress, one must red lips, one must. Let's
talk about the uh, the Brooke and Lucas of it all,
because that threw me for a loop. It's so random
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and it literally makes no sense that Brooke is like,
the two people I love the most in the world
have broken my heart and then she's like, do you
want to go to the banquet with me? I think
I miss you? And and Joy and I were watching
because you were taking Georgia school and we were like,
why is this happening? Like this doesn't track at all,
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And I realized by the time we got to the
end of the episode the entire reason for it is
to set up that these two can admit that the
spark is gone, that they're gonna be friends for real,
just so Lucas can tell Peyton that him and Brooke
have realized it's over. That's the only reason. It's not
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grounded in any reality. It just needed to happen so
that you guys could happen, so in service of the story.
I get it, but I really wish. I just wish
there had been something that had triggered it got yes,
something that had gotten her thinking about it, or that
she'd said to Rachel, you know, I went for a
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bad boy again, and maybe I should try to make
it work with it. Not I mean, I don't know.
I don't know. I can't come up with any reason
that it would happen. I know it needed to, so
there needed to be something, but it just felt so random.
I okay, I agree. But in the context of Brook's
character being an only child and growing up in a householder,
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she probably got what she wanted a lot. I think
that does kind of reed um personality characteristics, where it's
hard to make a decision because every time you choose something,
you're like, oh, maybe I wanted the other thing. Oh well,
maybe I shouldn't have chose that. Maybe she chose this.
So I'm kind of it feels realistic to me that
she would have made her choice and then been like, well,
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I don't know, maybe maybe I don't let me see,
let me see, let me see. So what you're saying
is the Brook and Nathan are the same person. There
two privileged white kids that are like, I'm just gonna
do some dumb like I don't need to like maybe
everybody all the time. If Brooke can what she wants
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all the time, if that's sort of been the habit
in her life, then that it would naturally make sense
that she would want the thing that she can't have.
So once she makes the decision and like pushes Lucas away,
now he's the person that she can't have, so she
kind of wants to find out, like can I still
have him? I see that less though in this I
think the thing, the only thing that grounded it in
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some reality for me was when when Rachel says to Brooke,
like you're clearly rebounding, of course, and you know Brooke
was betrayed. She just got cheated on again, and she's
doing it, and you know, she she's like, if they're
all the same, maybe I should give it a shot
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with somebody that I I love. The devil, you know,
it's the devil, you know, it's like we you know,
there there's all that research that says we would rather
be in the pain we know than risk the unknown,
even if it would get us past it. And so
I that I get just wish they'd leaned into it
a little more. I think the writing was really lazy
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in this for Brooke, with this, with this Lucas rebound thing,
and I think if if she could have gotten a
little clearer on it, even if Rachel had pushed her
a little more, because that's where I see that thing
you're talking about joy. If Rachel's like, you're rebounding and
she's like, no, I'm not, No, I'm not. What, let
me show you how much I'm not rebound. They still
really care about this person. Like that I would have
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loved to see. But what I do like is that
if it is that, if it is, that, I'm going
to go back to what I know very quickly. It's
just like it's gone. You know, when the fire goes out,
you can't always relight it, and and it's gone. And
I liked seeing I thought that Janice Cook, our director,
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did a really good job. When Whitey is giving his
beautiful speech about Camilla, you see the way. It's hitting
everyone differently, but it's not overplayed. And I you know,
I caught the moment between Haley and Nathan realizing they
have that kind of love. I watched everybody having these
things and I literally saw Brooke kind of go ah, Nope,
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don't have it. I don't have that. And I liked.
I liked that there was a realization of I want
to be loved like that. I don't know if it
exists anymore, but I'd like to find out, and that
felt nice. The pressure that it has to exist in
high school is hilarious to me. And like, I love
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that Rachel has become our voice of reason. I mean,
she's like saying all the no dust stuff. Um. However,
there was some with Rachel that I was very conflicted
about and I took no. Okay, so the whole failing
grade thing, we know what was going on behind the
scenes at this point, like she was rejecting our boss,
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Daniel was behind the scenes. And so this whole speech
that the calculus teacher gives her, You're a pretty girl
and can flirt your way through, but all your friends
are going to leave you behind, and if you don't
do the work, you're not going to get to hang
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out with your playmates. You know. That was all such
veiled language against her, and it's just such like weird
subconscious like, yeah, it was, you're right. It was such
a random scene and we really hated that out of order, inappropriate,
and it felt like it was an out of touch
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teacher being like, oh, you know, I just got a study,
just got a study harder and will be fine. But
it didn't fit. It was so weird and now I
understand why now that you're bringing that up well, because
and they also tried to veil the threat by hiring
a woman to play that teacher, so that it was
a woman saying to a younger woman, I see what
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you're doing. You're pretty and you rely on your looks.
And it reeked of like sexist, ick because it was
our boss saying that to Danille, not a teacher saying
it to Rachel. And it's so gross. It's grows when
someone thinks they're being clever and you're like, uh, we
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all know what you're doing, dork, we all see you.
But I thought we had also established earlier in Rachel's
storyline that she was like, you know, secretly brilliant because
she answered all sorts of hard questions and knew, like
all these answers in some class. That's right, We've already
established that she's like super smart. And she does say
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to Haley, you tutor all these people. I've seen what
you do for them. I'm actually smart. I've just missed
a lot of class. So they they did try, but
not that hard, not that hard. It was just it
was just lost in in the personal attacks, and we
were at that stage in our show where so much
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of what was happening on screen was needling at people personally. Yeah,
and now Mouth's rejecting her. Now Mouth the character based
on our boss, I don't want you anymore. I've got
somebody new. So what do you guys think about the
speech everybody kept giving Haley about giving everyone's second chances,
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because that was all about Rachel like trying to get
to I was disappointed that Haley had nothing to do
this episode. Well that's I don't have anything to do
for the next because she's becoming a mother and that's
her only identity. You're like hair right now, I'm all
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for it. But you know what I will say is
because there's such a beautiful relationship established that you and
James have built for Haley and Nathan. It's so fun
to watch you guys together, even if technically there's not
a lot going on. There's so much happening around you
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that there's a bit of a respite as an audience
member when I get to see the people I love
to watch being in love, just being good to each
It's not important, it's totally important. In a story like That's,
where you've got so many weaving storylines, so much drama,
you've got to have at least one stable place, even
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if the stable place changes into into different storylines, and
it has to otherwise it gets boring. But I just
I guess as your friend, I just want to say,
even when you feel like you don't have a lot
to do, you're so fun to watch. You're like the
safe thing we want our woo be. You know who else?
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You know who else is really becoming a highlight in
that space, And I wish we'd gotten to hold onto
him longer. Is Earnest? Yeah, real, Derek, you know they
did that thing. I know we talked about it a bit,
and we can, you know, we can get into it.
They made him kind of the cliche of the military
guy who's always yelling at you. And I think when
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they when they got that out of their systems, and
he just was able to be present with you and
wasn't written to yell, but was able to be firm
and challenging to you know, to say to you. I
wrote it down that that he says, take a risk today.
He pushes you lovingly. And it's really nice in you know,
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Larry's absence. It's so nice to see Peyton have a
supportive male figure in her life like this, this older
brother figure. It's just really really fun to watch watching
the bedroom get painted, you know, the advent of red
bedroom records. It's all starting. And uh, you guys had
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a I don't remember exactly what the dialogue was, but
your chemistry is just so good and I was I
need more of this. I need more of the two
of these guys interacting. Guys, Guys, you want it today?
Do you want it today? Don't want it today? More
and more and more. Earnest, I'm really excited about this reunion.
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I have not gotten to see Ernest since he left
the show. So guys, we have him today. Let's breathe
in you guys, my brother's here. They're well, how do you?
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Oh my god, you look exactly the same. I'm going
to you, I've aged twenty years and you look exactly
the same. And that's not fair. Um. We've been watching
you for like weeks now, which sounds like a very
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creepy way to start this off, but watching like the
introduction of real Derek and then all the military stuff
which we can we can get into. Um, I'm really
glad that you were able to come on for this
episode because this was a lovely you know, button for
your character. Um, you know, seeing you deploy, I was
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really sad. We've just been watching you and Hillary and
your whole storyline and and we've really just been like
fawning over you. So we're so happy you're here. Thank you,
And I'm glad you guys enjoyed my performance, and I'm
so happy about that. We wish we had you for
so much longer. We're watching it back, you know, because
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Sophia just said, we don't remember a lot of it.
We just didn't have time to watch the show while
we were filming it, so we missed a lot of
your performance. You know, we saw bits and pieces, But
it's so nice to watch it back now and also
sad to realize we only got you for four or
five episodes. We needed more. I felt really protected with
you being there. You know. We had just done the
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storyline where like my characters assaulted and there was also
all this like wonky stuff going on behind the scenes,
and you came in as such like a grounded, mature energy,
and I was just like, why, why are you taking
this person away from me? Like they took Ellie away
from me, they took you away from me. I was
just like, what people always leave? God, people always leave? What? Um?
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What was your experience with the show before you got cast?
Did you have any idea what One Tree Hill was?
Honestly no, because I was in college, so like literally college,
I watching no TV. And then like I just yeah,
I just got a call and they said, hey, down
to Wilmington's And it was just so amazing because I'm
actually from Wilmington's. Yeah, Oh my gosh, I remember that.
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I'd forgotten, like so much of my family is from
Wilmington's and I was. I had had an amazing time
there because my dad, not my dad, my uncle loaned
me his car and it was just amazing. It was great.
But yeah, I grew up. I grew up in Wilmington.
I was there for like the first few years until
about three. Yeah, and then I go there every year
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because my family is there and we go to Rightful
Beach to the we have a beach house there. Yeah.
Oh my god, dude, So you're still always there. I'm
still always there. And then in mind from middle school,
Joe Houser, he runs a company in Wilmington. So it's
just like it's just funny coincidence. So when you go
down there, do people recognize you? Are they like, oh
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my god, it's brother Derek. Oh of course, of course.
I feel like everyone in Hound knew you guys. I
mean even when we were shooting, you know, just like
going out, people would just that's all they would talk about.
It was it was very cool. I have a very
strong sense memory of us being at level five. Do
you remember real Marines on the rooftop? We had the
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fake Marines with us, and it was like there was
like this energy of like, oh, you guys are playing
military on TV. Well we're military in real life and
we'll kick your ass. And I just remember being like
oh no, they will. Yeah. I definitely felt a lot
of pressure. Just I mean, my my family were from
the military. I had my father was in the Air Force,
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my uncle was in the Air Force. So everyone was
like just picking me apart after the episode. Really yeah,
just my walk wasn't completely military. You know, We're saying
good bye and then I'm like walking away, you know. Yeah,
the fact that, uh, in the last episode, Lucas and
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Peyton both just came out into the training center and
just like found you, like rolled up in a hummer
walking around base. Yeah, just like got right in, no problem.
We lost our minds. We were like, on no planet
would someone in fatigue just pick up a teenage boy
and drive him into the middle of a training exercise.
We were losing it. But but having having so many
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folks in your family come from military backgrounds, did you
ask for advice when you got the part of Derek
or were you like, I got this, I know what
this is, Like, how did you prepare for it? I
had such little time to prepare. I was actually on
vacation in Europe when I found out that I was
going to do the show, and I was like, Okay,
(34:43):
you're gonna come to Wilmington everything, and I think I
maybe had very little time to get down there and
get started, so I just I mostly had to just
go off of what I knew from my dad, from
just family members. But the hardest part was just you know,
I just felt like, you know, erect in this uni.
(35:03):
It was kind of tight in there. But but I
remember they made a really big deal out of that.
There was like a technical advisor to make sure that
the belt was appropriate, and so much pressure was put
on you to like make it right, you know. It
was it was a mad dash for sure. And then
I remember them the technical guy with the punching yes yeah, um,
(35:28):
and I and I just I was just so excited
and I was ready to jump in. So whatever it was,
I was pretty much prepared to just you know, just
go with the flow, you know. Um. We talked a
lot about how like you were directed to be really
really angry and to be like really aggressive in the
first couple of episodes where we see Derek, the first
version of brother Derek we had was definitely like get
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your together, Pat, and you're being a baby, you know,
and was like super aggressive. Was that eat your experience
with military and your family just being like heightened like that,
or was that something that you were directed to do
on our show because you're so good at like the softer,
more intimate stuff. I think, I mean, I feel like
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that's a natural impulse for me. Sometimes with emotional I
feel like I high lean on anger sometimes maybe too much,
I don't know, but um, and I think I was
aware that there would be a shift, so I wanted
to go in initially with a little bit more oomph
and then kind of shift to the more sensitive side.
But I don't know, m hm. That's smart to be
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able to give an arc too, so you don't just
come in at the same at the same tone, because
we wanted to see you sort of get wooed into
this experience and then how it be that much harder
to leave? Absolutely? Absolutely, And I really felt the ending
to like, I mean, even just watching it back so much.
There's so much heart in One Street Hill, which I
(36:54):
really appreciate, And even the way the show was shot,
I feel like they just aren't them any shows that
you see now, Yeah, that really capture that young adult sweetness,
that young adult Um. I don't want to use the
word angst, but you mean Yeah, Well, I think what
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what was interesting for us was realizing that our show
gave a lot of people permission to be vulnerable anyways
that didn't require you know, fantasy or and again no
shade to the genres we love, but we didn't need vampires.
We didn't need you know, billionaire parents with private jets.
(37:37):
We didn't need it. Like, it didn't have to be
so heightened. It could just be honest. And I think,
you know, you tapped into that in such a way
it felt natural, you know, to your point Derek coming in,
you know, written the characters written to be reluctant to
say I didn't ask for a sister, you know, I
(37:59):
didn't sign up for this, and that sort of energy,
combined with this military background, it's so interesting to hear
you say that you wanted to really bring it in
the beginning because it's it's a mask, right, It's a
defense mechanism for his terability. So much from just my
(38:19):
family members, just that there's a there's a way that
you have to protect your emotions in order to do
the job that you have to do. And that's I
think something that I very much felt from from my father.
I wanted to bring to this because you know, working
with Hillary, you were just so charming and you're so sweet.
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So it was just I was really happy to have family.
I was so I've been so alone earnest. But you
and I both come from military families, and so I
think we very quickly bonded over that because there was
this desire to portray the military in a loving way.
(39:00):
You know, we were at war at the time. I
had friends in Iraq. I think you also had friends
that were deployed or family members that were that we're
out um, and you know that that was important to
us that like we show the honor of our men
and women, you know, And and we wanted the character
of Derek to kind of embody that and be like, look,
(39:21):
this is someone that deals with hard stuff and is
doing it in a noble way. And he may seem
like a hard ass, but he's actually like parked outside
of Peyton's house making sure that no one breaks in
while she's asleep. Yeah, and that that ark for you
and the way that you played it, bringing that mask
down when you see him out there and he tells
(39:44):
Lucas that he's staying, but she doesn't need to know
because he's trying to give her that confidence back. And
then this episode, the reward of seeing you tube together
out you know, socially in a in a happier environment,
and watching you be supportive and remind her that she's
(40:05):
a strong person and that she can do these things.
It's it's just such a refreshing energy, um, in the
midst of our show. Yeah, and in such a simple message,
even the no fear. I just really appreciated that. Just
hearing that, UM, I think that that's something that it's
so simple. It's such a simple statement. But I think
(40:26):
that everyone struggles with you, you know, and UM, I
don't know, that just really resonated with me. I love it.
In this episode, you said to Peyton, go take the risk. Um.
I mean, I tell my daughter that I used to
tell her a lot more. I guess I don't know.
I got out of practice that I used to tell
her all the time on her way to school. You've
got to make at least two mistakes today. Oh that's
(40:48):
a great, you know memo, because exactly exactly how else
are you gonna learn if you don't and learn that
and you do make mistakes, it's usually okay, Like if
everybody's okay. In the end, like things eventually get cleaned up,
so you gotta try episode because she actually gets rejected,
(41:12):
the horrible thing happens, You make the mistakes, you give
it to try, and then the bad thing happens and
it's still okay. That was my favorite part is the
look on your face, Ernest, when Peyton comes and like
has to tell you, like, yeah, I did it. Uh
it didn't go good. It went bad, and like that
lock on your face of like, oh, come out and
(41:33):
just wait. It worse for this kid, Like how do
I got to stay and go to the banquet with
her now? But I want to go. I think your advice,
you know, take the risk is part of what pushes
Peyton to finally say it in the end, you know,
when Lucas says, Brooke and I have realized it's over,
like it's really over, and then you you unload and
(41:55):
you say how you've been feeling. It's like you're still
taking his advice. Actually, I love that. I felt really
comfortable with you from the jump because you were a
n y U guy and I had just worked with
(42:17):
Brian Greenberg who was also an n y U guy,
and like Strangely enough, you guys had very similar set energy,
like I can see that, yeah, and so I didn't
I have for the whole rest of my career, always
wondered if that was like an n y U thing,
just that like grounded nous and focus. You know, you
(42:40):
two were the most prominent people had worked with. Yeah,
there's definitely like a tunnel vision. I was thinking about
this for this, but just um that when I'm on set,
everything goes so freaking quick for me, and I just
feel like, well, where did the time go? And I
think it's like I have a d D. But like
the only time I have tunnel jian is when I'm acting,
(43:01):
you know. But I think that there's something about n
Yu that kind of garners that. You know, we spend
a lot of time, like thirty forty minutes before we
even enter a room into a scene, so you spend
a lot of time trying to, I guess, work yourself
into a particular state, you know, for the circumstances. For sure, Um,
(43:24):
it's hard, it's hard, but if things are just moving, moving, moving,
it's just like you're kind of stuck in a machine,
especially coming onto a show like ours, where it was
such a well oiled machine, and we all have our
relationships set and everything was kind of you. You're walking
into something that's been in motion for a very long time.
Well yeah, I mean there's definitely a lot of payoffs still.
(43:47):
But to be able to just come in solid and
centered and comfortable with who you are and who you
saw this character as and just give that it was
such a generous. It's such a generous thing to do
as an act or to not get caught up in
the hype or the chaos or the confusion or the
intimidation and any of that stuff, but just to just
(44:09):
open up your heart and be there in spite of
all these things whirling around you. And you definitely had
that presence. I didn't work with you more than I
think that one scene, that banquet scene, but I remember
that about you. What I remember was all of you
were so close. It was just and and it's so
funny because I didn't get that, I got the vibe.
(44:31):
I mean, especially with eight. I'm sorry, Hillary, because because
I immediately I did feel comfortable around you, but then
when I met all the rest of you, I still
just felt completely comfortable because you guys are so comfortable
with each other, and it really comes across. Even when
I watched it today, Um, it was just obvious that
(44:55):
you guys, we're so close and loved each other and
we're having so much fun, and um it made the
episode more enjoyable. I really actually enjoyed watching it this time.
It was I mean, I get all weird about seeing myself,
you know what I mean? Well, yeah, what was the
reaction from all of your buddies though? When you're like, hey,
I'm on one tree hill. You know, remember that time
(45:18):
everyone wanted to be doing like cool edgy, like everyone
wanted to be playing a heroin addict back during two
thousand six. Oh yeah, I mean that's I mean that
was like I mean, coming out of n y U,
I was like edgy, Yes, But even watching this again,
I was like, man, like, there's so much about this
show that's so soft, and I just really enjoyed the
(45:43):
pace of the show as well. I think that it
would be hard to make a young adult show like
this now, just because I think that they would. They
would try to make everything punchy, they would try to
sensationalize things, and I really felt the softness, the sweetness,
the room, a building of relationship. You can't duplicate it,
you can't recreate that. I feel like it was a
(46:06):
time capsule, a time capsule of TV, because I think
that you can look at the show and you could,
you know, pick apart the hairstyles and the clothes and
things of that era. But I think that there was
there was something else happening that I feel like just
doesn't no longer exist in television. You know, even when
(46:27):
you watch Netflix, I feel like you can immediately tell
a Netflix show even if you didn't know what it was.
You know, Um, what what were the shows you watched
growing up? Like? What were the shows when you were
in high school and made you feel safe? Martin Signo,
M Boy Meets World. Were you pumped to see Leon
(46:50):
Norris on our set? Yes? Yes? Um dock tails? Oh
so good? What else did you think about it? Having
not watched it for you know, fifteen years? What jumped out?
(47:13):
How thin everybody was, any all of you? I just
you know, it's so funny. I think every show I've
shot I just felt fat, you know, and then you know,
you go back to see an episode you're like, oh,
I was clearly out of my mind. You know what
I mean. And I think that that's just like an
actor thing that happens. But yeah, that was one of
(47:37):
you're like hot older brother energy, like the mill you
run on that base, like barking orders at all the
other dudes. Like it was such macho energy. I don't
know how you see it as anything other than like, yeah,
I'm awesome, check this out. Okay. I mean you know,
you know, as an actor, I think that no matter
how good you do, you still feel like, oh I
(47:58):
could have done it better. I could have done this. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
nobody tells you when you decide you love storytelling that
what you're really signing up for is a lifetime of
beating yourself up. But I think what's interesting is in this,
in this stage of our lives, we're all talking about it,
and it's like, oh cool, you two all right, Okay,
(48:19):
I'm not by myself. This is nice. We're all a
little crazy together. I appreciate gen z and and this
whole new self help arab era. I've learned so much
about every mental disorder. Oh my god. In the same way,
I just know that that I have a d h D.
(48:40):
I was like, how you I've literally went through my
whole life not knowing this. Do you know how many
problems I could have solved in my in my life,
how much more self confidence I would have had? How
just so much that I'm like, I cannot believe I
lost so much time yep, not knowing that this was
my problem. I want you to do with a thirty
second drawing for Drama Queens so we can post it
(49:03):
on our Instagram. Ernest, Yeah, yes, can I make a request? Sure? Yeah,
that's what No. I want. I want you to make
us a piece of art in thirty seconds to one.
I'm seriously, I'm going to do this literally the minute
we and I'm going I'm gonna send it to you
guys immediately. What's going on with you? Dude? Did you
(49:31):
I'm cyberstalking you? You know? Please come on? Yeah? Um,
I just yeah, I just had a baby. Girl. She's
so graduated, she's too much, but she's but she is
she is so beautiful. We we truly have been like
(49:54):
scrolling through your Instagram and we're like, oh my god,
look at this baby. Yeah, you're done for McKim didn't Payton,
that's crazy? Oh my god. I have the best idea ever. Okay, Okay, Ernest,
you do art, okay, and I want you to explain
(50:17):
more of your art thing. But you, guys, I saw
in Star News today because I still get the newspaper
back in Wilmington's that they are commissioning a mural in
downtown Wilmington's in that BISU Theater alleyway, and they're like,
we want people to submit their designs for this big
(50:37):
mural that's gonna get painted in town because there's no
murals in in downtown Wilmington's and they want that. And
so here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking big brother Derek
is the right person for this game. And then we
can all go to like open the mural. We could
do a ribbon cutting because it's in an alley. Oh
my god, Okay, we go yeah, tell okay, so explain
(51:02):
your art to everyone, because I seriously I cybers talked
the out of you. Er. I'm just like going through
all of your posts on Instagram, like so cool. It's
me pursuing that edgier side of myself. I started making
things about poverty. I was doing that for a bit,
and then I started to feel like that was very
cliche but I mean, I know you guys have seen
(51:25):
what's been going on in the United States lately, so um,
a lot of people struggling, and I think I was
in New York and I was just seeing so much
of that and I just wanted to capture some of it.
Um and just I think, just keep busy, just keep working.
I think lately I've been making a lot of films.
I'm I'm working on a feature film right now. And cool.
(51:49):
I love these creative outlets though, because there's a part
of me that thinks that big brother Derek is probably
doing the same thing. You know, a lot of my
friends who got out of the military really needed career
paths and other directions when they got out. And so
watching you paint Peyton's bedroom in this episode, I'm like,
(52:09):
of course, our brothers and artists they have this. Yeah,
that's right. I love that. It's a great outlet, great,
great for emotional um expression, just trying to find a
way to process. It's about yeah, yeah, And I think
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that's what the character of Derek is like pushing in
your arc Because we have these little kids on our show,
like bad things keep happening to all of us. We
get shot at school. Parents die. We get dumped, you know,
like bad stuff key, but we get dumped in that category.
We get dumped the world spectrum, but none of us
(52:56):
are processing it until this like older Lewins comes along
and it's like all kids are nuts, Like you have
to do the work, do your work, and that's important. Well,
we talked about that actually, Earnest in one of our
last episodes, watching your performance and what real Derek offers
(53:18):
to Peyton. We've we've spoken a lot on this podcast
about how these kids go through these traumatic experiences. Nobody
sends them to therapy, nobody, nobody helps them to Hillary's
point process. And weirdly, you know, the grown ups who
were writing these storylines would would write a lot of jokes,
(53:39):
Like Lucas says in the last episode to Peyton, you
know when you guys have a moment and Derek is,
you know, has his wall up, Lucas goes, well, I
like the other Derek better, and it's like the other
Derek is literally a rapist. Let's not make jokes about this.
And and what's so cool is that, even though your
arc was not as long as we all would have liked,
(54:00):
you showed up and you grounded it in this way.
That really did say for the first time, you have
to deal with this, you have to face it. You
you as a character, like you know, even though you know,
Hillary was like, oh my god, I hated the boxing.
I think I looked ridiculous, but that was it. It
(54:21):
was that moment. But you made her get in her body. Hilarious.
It was so bad. Kept trying, We just kept trying
to perfect the like punch punch, punching in the breakdown,
Oh god, oh god. We like to ask a lot
(54:44):
of our friends who come on the show, like, where
do you think your character is today? M hmm. Definitely
not in the military my sense. Um, I don't know.
I immediately went to carpentry. Maybe it's because in the episode,
(55:06):
but just something I don't know. I get the vibe,
something that's very relaxing but also engaging. Right, yeah, I
love it. Okay, we're going to spin a wheel. Because
this is a high school oriented show, we like to
do superlatives most likely too, did you have superlatives at
your high school? I couldn't tell you in your yearbook?
(55:28):
Oh okay, here we go. Who's most likely to not
forget your birthday? Who so so Earnest. We do this
for a character on One Tree Hill, and we do
it for one of the cast members in real life. Okay, okay, Yeah,
it's tough because you weren't with us for super long,
(55:49):
so you didn't get to know all of us very well.
But you can take your best guests. Um, who is
it to not forget to remember? I guess to remember
your birthday? The person. That's the way of saying it.
That's seven am text. The character I would say, Peyton brother.
(56:13):
Um the actor, I would say, Sophia, Yeah, no, you
you're you're you seem like a very precise artist. She's organized.
Thank you. We need to know what Ernest real birthday is.
What's your birthday? Is your birthdad? It's that's right, because
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we're all in July. I remember now, Okay, here we
are all right. Happy birthday, brother, You're stuck with us forever.
We're going to get text messages. Hopefully we get to
see you in person soon, yes, and I hope so too. Yeah,
And I'm looking forward to our artwork. Maybe I'll get
that tattooed. No pressure, right, literally, but a lifetime of
(57:05):
appreciation gets Lee earnest. So good to see you all.
I had a blast shooting those episodes. You guys are awesome. Seriously,
thanks Bud, We're happy to see you. Bye bye, I
(57:27):
love Why did they get to keep him? Like? Why
wasn't he at Peyton's wedding? Why wasn't the things? I
don't know? I know, Well, I'm straight glad we got
today in our in our parallel universe version of One
(57:48):
Tree Hill, he stayed forever forever. Alright, guys, Next week,
next guys, Oh, next week we got season four episode nine,
some you give away. They all sound so spooky this season.
I'm like, after every single one we read, I want
to go done, done, done, don't I don't know why?
(58:09):
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Season four, Episode eight, Nothing left to say but goodbye.
I really liked this episode, Okay, didn't never twenty second
two thousand six, Derek, the real Derek convinces Peyton to
take a chance with Lucas at the same time that
Brook approaches him about getting back together. Bad timing. Dante's
(00:49):
latest demand leads Nathan to seek help from an unlikely source.
Isn't an unlikely source, It's he most likely and Dan.
When Rachel learns of a failing grade, she turns to
Haley for tutoring, and Nathan is named m v P
m v P of the Ravens at the annual sports banquet,
(01:09):
in spite of the fact that he's been shaving points.
Dunt Janice directed this one. I liked her a lot. Yeah.
I liked that this was like a Thanksgiving episode and
it was the big banquet, you know, it was a
way to November twenty two. It's like a way to
do a holiday without doing a holiday. You know, we're
all together at dinner and it's awkward, like everyone else's holiday.
(01:34):
That's so Funday. Yeah, yeah, I dug it. I mean
here's my question though. The episode starts off with Nathan
at the river Court, and we didn't talk about this
last time. Um, but like Nathan kind of taking over
the river Court as opposed to just practicing in the
gym or someplace that's like monitored by adults, seems dumb
(01:57):
to me. Like if he just went through this experience
for the two older men in the community cornered him,
why is this child like hanging out all by himself
in this public setting where bad things have already happened,
Like I'd be hold up. I guess he thought it
was over because he believed them. It's a little gullible. Well,
(02:18):
and by the way, I feel like your question answered
your question. You're like, why is this child doing this
dumb thing? And it's like, well, because kids are dumb. Yeah,
he's a teenage boy. He's just like everything's done. I
did it. It's over. And it's like, oh you you
(02:39):
have never watched The Godfather, have you, young man? This
kid needed to hide out lay low until like everything's over. Instead,
he's just willy nilly all by himself down dribbling his
wealthy white privilege around because his dad has always bailed
(03:00):
him out of every situation, so of course he has
the muscle memory of like, oh, okay, I got away
with it. It's over. I'm done. Okay, fine, it's over.
He Yeah, he has no concept. Although I do love
that he went to Dan for help in this, I
don't love the way Dan handled it. I feel like
I was waiting for him to like muscle up and
really do something destardly to the dastardly people. Yeah, one time.
(03:25):
At that time, Dan's not corrupt. I'm like, listen, if
we know anything about Dan Scott or like I don't know.
We've read the news ever in the last twenty years,
it's like small town mayor is not going to dispatch
the like crooked cops on the p D for Mr
put these guys in jail until after the game, Like hello, Wow,
(03:46):
the one time Dan's not willing to be completely inappropriate
is perhaps the one time it's warranted so his kid
doesn't get his knees broken. But okay, But so this
is the back story that I found sweet resting because
Dante and act like they know Dan Scott from high
school and they're about the same age, So what's that backstory?
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Did they play together? Did they play against each other?
When Danny was on JV, Like, what is the story
they said? That would have been so cool they had
said that when Dan walked into the strip club and
they were like, look who it is, our old boy?
Did you know something like the young hot shot whatever?
Because ps the minute Nathan says you know, Dan asks
(04:28):
him what their names are, and Nathan says Dante and Bear,
and Dan knows immediately who they are. And it's like
if there had been backstory rather than oh, everybody knows
the local mafia guys like, which is ridiculous, who are
these people? They needed a name for their gang? If
he knew them from high school, it's much more interesting.
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So much, Yeah, and you're right they should have done that. Um,
do you think Dan was being more docile because he's
trying He seems to be trying to become a better
person at this school, Karen that was going on. I
think he doesn't want to funk up Nathan's like Duke prospect.
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I think it's more about the legacy of basketball. Then
it's like trying to impress Karen, you know, not impress her,
but like if there's some sort of sincere change. I
do think he's on his best behavior around her. She does.
He does present as his best self, which is essentially
the bare minimum for a normal person when he's around Karen.
(05:32):
But I I agree with Hill and that I really
think he looks at the facts. And because Dan doesn't
care about Whitey at all, he doesn't give a ship
if Whitey loses that last championship. He just wants Nathan
to be okay and to go to Duke. So it's like, well,
you know what, it sucks for everybody else, but you're
still gonna win. And that's classic Dan Scott. I don't
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care what happens to anybody else as long as I win.
And he's telling Nathan to do the same thing. That's
true that happened in my high school. We went we
went to the state well, no, we went to the
state championship, and there was a boy from my school
who had gotten like a full ride to uv A
to go play football. There was a real fear that
he could get hurt in that final game and it
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would screw up his scholarship, and so she told everyone
he had mono and couldn't play. So our star player
did not play in the state championship game and we
lost by one point. We lost by like a kick
at the end, and you know, he was absolved because
his future was set. But for everyone else whose last
(06:37):
game it was, it was like devastating. And for the
poor kicker who like all came down on that kid.
I think he was like a sophomore too that they
brought up from the soccer team, and so his heart
was broken. Um, but this one kid, all of us
were like, you don't have mono, like show us the letter.
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But all his mother cared about was like, I'm preserving
your future. I don't give any of these other kids
like You're the only one I care about. So that
reality for Dan Scott is like pretty believable, you know,
just I'm only here to care about my kid. Yeah. Well,
and by the way, I can't say I don't get it,
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like the idea, especially because of how intense those contact
sports are. Like a kid gets a concussion, a kid's
need gets snapped in the wrong direction, and they're there,
their career is over there, They're dealing with a disability
for the rest of their life. And this idea that
you know, what I think our show did well in
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the moments was when it really told the story of
the everyman and like the small town kid, and before
we jumped the shark and everyone became the most successful person.
What they did, like wheat has got to live up
to that. Everyone had to be exceptional. But but I
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think there's it's like I get that fear of this
is one more night that's either going to make or
break your life. My kid's only chance to go to college,
to go to college, debt free, to have a future,
is making sure that they stay safe for this, you know,
three more hours of a Saturday night. And that's a
(08:25):
tough one. That that is a moral dilemma that I'm
you know, I'm not sitting here being like I would
have done the same thing. I'm just going, Oh, that
is that is heavy, Like that that amount of stress
and pressure because because It's like, what message does it
send to the kid. I'm not saying it's it's good
or bad. I'm just wondering what the message is that
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you can't You've been working towards this with your whole team,
everybody's been on the same page, and then at the
last minute, then you can't say you can't participate. Like
did he want to? And he's he was forced not
to or was he Like nobody knows, that's what those
private conversations were. But to force your kids to not
participate in something that they wanted to, they've when working
(09:10):
toward all year, and like not sharing the joy of
the winning maybe or that that moment. And as a parent,
you're saying, my job, my job is to protect you. Yeah. Absolutely,
And you know what, what I'm realizing is really interesting
is that there's a layer added because Hillary, you're telling
a story about the football team, and because football is
such an injury prone sport. Basketball it's like, who gives
(09:33):
you're gonna go play the game? Like what are we
talking about? You know, the threat to Nathan is that
they're going to break his knees. It's not that his
knees are going to get broken in a basketball game.
It's so much less likely that you have, you know,
a career ending an injury, and I don't know man
that I'm like, oh, I'm like, that's a that's but
(09:54):
all the other parents are like, you know what, my
child has sacrificed their body to make your our child
look good for the last four years. The least you
can do is show us show up and walk out
onto that court or so uncomfortable. That's what I think
about the message, Like, what's the message that's being set
subliminally for that kid to the rest of his life
(10:15):
walking out going Everyone else is allowed to make sacrifices
for me, but I don't make them for other people.
Ask the message. There's no I in team, but there
is interesting. I mean, do you think that Nathan should
play like you're in Nathan shoes? Do you think that
(10:36):
he should throw the game? Yeah? I think he should play,
and he should and he should not throw the game.
I think he should play his hard out and do
the right thing and deal with the consequences afterwards. I
guess I'm like, if knowing what the court courting processes
for college sports, like that recruiter comes in and they
take you to dinner and they meet your mom and
(10:57):
dad and there's like a whole little the fair where
they try to get you to choose their school. Like
why doesn't Nathan just pick up the phone and be like,
I'm getting you know, I'm getting outroaded. I'm not the
first or last kid who is going to encounter this
situation because he's a dumb kid and those guys are
big and scary. Well, and I think because there is
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the fear. There is always the fear when you have
done something wrong, even if it started as an innocent
situation or mistake. The fear is if I tell everything
will be over, Yeah, if I if I admit how
far this has gotten, this will be a catastrophe. And interestingly,
(11:43):
in in in that very human instinct to try to
avoid what you see as your present potential catastrophe, you
make the coming catastrophe worse. That's why I think he
should play and play hard and do the best you
can and try and win and not throw the game,
(12:03):
because it's just you just keep creating the lies. Snowball
man and deception snowballs. It just keeps going and gets
bigger and bigger. I don't know, I think you gotta
keep your side and straight clean as much as you can. Meanwhile,
I feel like we were having a pretty good time
with Rick Fox and Conrad fair Like. It was cool.
(12:23):
That energy was fun, Like just you guys are here
to bullious. I like it and I love you. I
loved you. In the cafe with them, You're like, thanks, boys,
give me some more money. I know. So cute. They
were fun, they were fun to have around. They were
so lovely. Yeah, my boobs looked huge in this episode.
(12:44):
Hot in this episode. Okay, so the last two episodes,
whatever was going on with the Maxim fall out, you
were making them pay for that joy because oh you
wanted some of this, Well, then you're missing me. Um,
you made him pay. I liked it. I like the
little lacey dress at the banquet too. What was fun
(13:06):
about this stage that we're entering into for Haley in
the pregnancy is that, Um, what many people don't know
about me is, um, I am a bit gluten intolerant,
and when I eat certain things, my stomach instantly looks
like I'm pregnant instantly, and um to the point where
(13:27):
I've had people come up to me and be like,
oh my gosh, I didn't know. Stop. Oh oh, I'm
not kidding. Any time I eat a sandwich, people on
the internet are like, oh my god, she's pregnant, and
I'm like, listen, I am aware that it looks like
I have swallowed a whole bowling ball, but that sandwich
was delicious and it was worth it. And I don't
(13:47):
know what you want for me, and like, I have
photos that much. You guys know, my my best friend Babs,
we have a picture the two of us standing side
by side in a mirror picking our shirts up, and
we look like too pregnant best friends. And he had
just we had been traveling for like three weeks and
didn't have an option to eat food we weren't allergic to.
And it is I'm going to dig it up and
(14:10):
send it to you. It is unbelievable how pregnant we look.
And it's like, well, it's just it's back then we
didn't know. I didn't know a lot about allergies or
what I need. Eight hours. It was like you just
go over to the craft table and shove in your
mouth whatever's there. Whenever hot you know, hot pockets snack
they bring out at eleven o'clocket. So I'm showing all
(14:32):
this stuff in my mouth and I'm like, you know
what this But I'm always having to suck my stomach
in every time that happens. And so finally, for the
next like I don't know, seven or eight episodes, I
just relax because Hayley pregnant, so I could tell let
it all gro. You used your instrument, you knew your instrument,
and you were like, I'm making art right now. I
(14:53):
am going to use this. But I think I was
wearing a padded bra for the pregnancy stuff. But yeah,
that was fun. It was a fun. Look Um, we're
going to talk about the banquet, Okay, I remember being
going out of order, but whatever, we're going out of order.
But I remember being very pro banquet hair do. Yes
(15:17):
you are. I loved it. Yeah, I loved it at
the time. To you, it was in bohemian joy and
that was a vibe I was into. I feel like
the image you brought in, wasn't it from along Came Polly? No,
it was from Jennifer Aniston at your Clothes, But Jennifer
(15:38):
Aniston at the Golden Globes. The usual were in the
cold dress and crazy and she had graides like in
her in her beachways. Yes, and you wanted those little
braids and your wives. And the reason the reason it
worked on her as because she was incredibly toned in
hands of her body structurally looked like it was like
(15:59):
a sculpture structure. And the dress she was wearing was
very structured. It was a long gold dress that I
think had like maybe rectangular beads on it or something,
so it was super angular everything. Then so then you
compliment that with the wildness of the hair and it works.
But with this I'm already wearing a frilly dress. I
didn't have My body wasn't in that sort of like
(16:21):
structural format, and it was just like I literally looked
like I had been sleeping days on that hair with
never washing it and never taking a shower. That's what
it looked like. And by the way, that's what our
bosses all told me. And I was like, you guys
don't have any creativity. You're just you know, silly boys,
(16:44):
you don't know, trying to control me. The hottest thing
I'm in red carpet. No, it really wasn't. I thought
it could have been used a little. But here's what
I'll say. It had strong like Game of Thrones energy, oh,
where it was like, yeah, it was themed. Hell. We
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were saying when we were watching the scene between Brooke
and Haley and the banquet that after Brooke walks away,
I don't know what you said. You said something about
like I'm just not sure anymore something. You walked away
from me, and I just really wanted you to turn
around and come back and say do you need a
hair brush? It's when Brooke is telling Haley what a
(17:26):
good friend Rachel has been to her. Oh yeah, that's
what it is. Oh yeah, I just love that, like
Brooke and Rachel for the last couple episodes have morphed
and like the outfits match, the hair matches, the eyeliner matches.
It's like when your cycles sync up when you're living
with another girl. It's a total subconscious thing where it's like,
(17:48):
wait a second, you're the same human now, Like so cute. Yeah,
it's really cute because you had your hair all bouncy
and curly, and I'm like, look at all that girl
and Daniel's hair today George washed the episode over my
shoulder and she was like, is that the same person?
Great too? I loved that red forties lip on you
(18:10):
with your hair all baby, that was so pretty. And
Rachel Danielle doing that sixties headband. Yeah, dress look so
yeah with a little boufa in the back. Yeah. It
is interesting that both of us went kind of period.
I liked it. It was it was very sweet. I
liked that red lip too. Well. If you're not wearing
(18:31):
a red dress, one must red lips, one must. Let's
talk about the uh, the Brooke and Lucas of it all,
because that threw me for a loop. It's so random
(18:52):
and it literally makes no sense that Brooke is like,
the two people I love the most in the world
have broken my heart and then she's like, do you
want to go to the banquet with me? I think
I miss you? And and Joy and I were watching
because you were taking Georgia school and we were like,
why is this happening? Like this doesn't track at all,
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And I realized by the time we got to the
end of the episode the entire reason for it is
to set up that these two can admit that the
spark is gone, that they're gonna be friends for real,
just so Lucas can tell Peyton that him and Brooke
have realized it's over. That's the only reason. It's not
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grounded in any reality. It just needed to happen so
that you guys could happen, so in service of the story.
I get it, but I really wish. I just wish
there had been something that had triggered it got yes,
something that had gotten her thinking about it, or that
she'd said to Rachel, you know, I went for a
(19:57):
bad boy again, and maybe I should try to make
it work with it. Not I mean, I don't know.
I don't know. I can't come up with any reason
that it would happen. I know it needed to, so
there needed to be something, but it just felt so random.
I okay, I agree. But in the context of Brook's
character being an only child and growing up in a householder,
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she probably got what she wanted a lot. I think
that does kind of reed um personality characteristics, where it's
hard to make a decision because every time you choose something,
you're like, oh, maybe I wanted the other thing. Oh well,
maybe I shouldn't have chose that. Maybe she chose this.
So I'm kind of it feels realistic to me that
she would have made her choice and then been like, well,
(20:39):
I don't know, maybe maybe I don't let me see,
let me see, let me see. So what you're saying
is the Brook and Nathan are the same person. There
two privileged white kids that are like, I'm just gonna
do some dumb like I don't need to like maybe
everybody all the time. If Brooke can what she wants
(21:00):
all the time, if that's sort of been the habit
in her life, then that it would naturally make sense
that she would want the thing that she can't have.
So once she makes the decision and like pushes Lucas away,
now he's the person that she can't have, so she
kind of wants to find out, like can I still
have him? I see that less though in this I
think the thing, the only thing that grounded it in
(21:22):
some reality for me was when when Rachel says to Brooke,
like you're clearly rebounding, of course, and you know Brooke
was betrayed. She just got cheated on again, and she's
doing it, and you know, she she's like, if they're
all the same, maybe I should give it a shot
(21:42):
with somebody that I I love. The devil, you know,
it's the devil, you know, it's like we you know,
there there's all that research that says we would rather
be in the pain we know than risk the unknown,
even if it would get us past it. And so
I that I get just wish they'd leaned into it
a little more. I think the writing was really lazy
(22:03):
in this for Brooke, with this, with this Lucas rebound thing,
and I think if if she could have gotten a
little clearer on it, even if Rachel had pushed her
a little more, because that's where I see that thing
you're talking about joy. If Rachel's like, you're rebounding and
she's like, no, I'm not, No, I'm not. What, let
me show you how much I'm not rebound. They still
really care about this person. Like that I would have
(22:25):
loved to see. But what I do like is that
if it is that, if it is, that, I'm going
to go back to what I know very quickly. It's
just like it's gone. You know, when the fire goes out,
you can't always relight it, and and it's gone. And
I liked seeing I thought that Janice Cook, our director,
(22:48):
did a really good job. When Whitey is giving his
beautiful speech about Camilla, you see the way. It's hitting
everyone differently, but it's not overplayed. And I you know,
I caught the moment between Haley and Nathan realizing they
have that kind of love. I watched everybody having these
things and I literally saw Brooke kind of go ah, Nope,
(23:14):
don't have it. I don't have that. And I liked.
I liked that there was a realization of I want
to be loved like that. I don't know if it
exists anymore, but I'd like to find out, and that
felt nice. The pressure that it has to exist in
high school is hilarious to me. And like, I love
(23:36):
that Rachel has become our voice of reason. I mean,
she's like saying all the no dust stuff. Um. However,
there was some with Rachel that I was very conflicted
about and I took no. Okay, so the whole failing
grade thing, we know what was going on behind the
scenes at this point, like she was rejecting our boss,
(23:59):
Daniel was behind the scenes. And so this whole speech
that the calculus teacher gives her, You're a pretty girl
and can flirt your way through, but all your friends
are going to leave you behind, and if you don't
do the work, you're not going to get to hang
(24:19):
out with your playmates. You know. That was all such
veiled language against her, and it's just such like weird
subconscious like, yeah, it was, you're right. It was such
a random scene and we really hated that out of order, inappropriate,
and it felt like it was an out of touch
(24:41):
teacher being like, oh, you know, I just got a study,
just got a study harder and will be fine. But
it didn't fit. It was so weird and now I
understand why now that you're bringing that up well, because
and they also tried to veil the threat by hiring
a woman to play that teacher, so that it was
a woman saying to a younger woman, I see what
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you're doing. You're pretty and you rely on your looks.
And it reeked of like sexist, ick because it was
our boss saying that to Danille, not a teacher saying
it to Rachel. And it's so gross. It's grows when
someone thinks they're being clever and you're like, uh, we
(25:23):
all know what you're doing, dork, we all see you.
But I thought we had also established earlier in Rachel's
storyline that she was like, you know, secretly brilliant because
she answered all sorts of hard questions and knew, like
all these answers in some class. That's right, We've already
established that she's like super smart. And she does say
(25:47):
to Haley, you tutor all these people. I've seen what
you do for them. I'm actually smart. I've just missed
a lot of class. So they they did try, but
not that hard, not that hard. It was just it
was just lost in in the personal attacks, and we
were at that stage in our show where so much
(26:08):
of what was happening on screen was needling at people personally. Yeah,
and now Mouth's rejecting her. Now Mouth the character based
on our boss, I don't want you anymore. I've got
somebody new. So what do you guys think about the
speech everybody kept giving Haley about giving everyone's second chances,
(26:31):
because that was all about Rachel like trying to get
to I was disappointed that Haley had nothing to do
this episode. Well that's I don't have anything to do
for the next because she's becoming a mother and that's
her only identity. You're like hair right now, I'm all
(26:54):
for it. But you know what I will say is
because there's such a beautiful relationship established that you and
James have built for Haley and Nathan. It's so fun
to watch you guys together, even if technically there's not
a lot going on. There's so much happening around you
(27:17):
that there's a bit of a respite as an audience
member when I get to see the people I love
to watch being in love, just being good to each
It's not important, it's totally important. In a story like That's,
where you've got so many weaving storylines, so much drama,
you've got to have at least one stable place, even
(27:41):
if the stable place changes into into different storylines, and
it has to otherwise it gets boring. But I just
I guess as your friend, I just want to say,
even when you feel like you don't have a lot
to do, you're so fun to watch. You're like the
safe thing we want our woo be. You know who else?
(28:02):
You know who else is really becoming a highlight in
that space, And I wish we'd gotten to hold onto
him longer. Is Earnest? Yeah, real, Derek, you know they
did that thing. I know we talked about it a bit,
and we can, you know, we can get into it.
They made him kind of the cliche of the military
guy who's always yelling at you. And I think when
(28:23):
they when they got that out of their systems, and
he just was able to be present with you and
wasn't written to yell, but was able to be firm
and challenging to you know, to say to you. I
wrote it down that that he says, take a risk today.
He pushes you lovingly. And it's really nice in you know,
(28:47):
Larry's absence. It's so nice to see Peyton have a
supportive male figure in her life like this, this older
brother figure. It's just really really fun to watch watching
the bedroom get painted, you know, the advent of red
bedroom records. It's all starting. And uh, you guys had
(29:10):
a I don't remember exactly what the dialogue was, but
your chemistry is just so good and I was I
need more of this. I need more of the two
of these guys interacting. Guys, Guys, you want it today?
Do you want it today? Don't want it today? More
and more and more. Earnest, I'm really excited about this reunion.
(29:32):
I have not gotten to see Ernest since he left
the show. So guys, we have him today. Let's breathe
in you guys, my brother's here. They're well, how do you?
(29:54):
Oh my god, you look exactly the same. I'm going
to you, I've aged twenty years and you look exactly
the same. And that's not fair. Um. We've been watching
you for like weeks now, which sounds like a very
(30:15):
creepy way to start this off, but watching like the
introduction of real Derek and then all the military stuff
which we can we can get into. Um, I'm really
glad that you were able to come on for this
episode because this was a lovely you know, button for
your character. Um, you know, seeing you deploy, I was
(30:38):
really sad. We've just been watching you and Hillary and
your whole storyline and and we've really just been like
fawning over you. So we're so happy you're here. Thank you,
And I'm glad you guys enjoyed my performance, and I'm
so happy about that. We wish we had you for
so much longer. We're watching it back, you know, because
(30:58):
Sophia just said, we don't remember a lot of it.
We just didn't have time to watch the show while
we were filming it, so we missed a lot of
your performance. You know, we saw bits and pieces, But
it's so nice to watch it back now and also
sad to realize we only got you for four or
five episodes. We needed more. I felt really protected with
you being there. You know. We had just done the
(31:20):
storyline where like my characters assaulted and there was also
all this like wonky stuff going on behind the scenes,
and you came in as such like a grounded, mature energy,
and I was just like, why, why are you taking
this person away from me? Like they took Ellie away
from me, they took you away from me. I was
just like, what people always leave? God, people always leave? What? Um?
(31:44):
What was your experience with the show before you got cast?
Did you have any idea what One Tree Hill was?
Honestly no, because I was in college, so like literally college,
I watching no TV. And then like I just yeah,
I just got a call and they said, hey, down
to Wilmington's And it was just so amazing because I'm
actually from Wilmington's. Yeah, Oh my gosh, I remember that.
(32:08):
I'd forgotten, like so much of my family is from
Wilmington's and I was. I had had an amazing time
there because my dad, not my dad, my uncle loaned
me his car and it was just amazing. It was great.
But yeah, I grew up. I grew up in Wilmington.
I was there for like the first few years until
about three. Yeah, and then I go there every year
(32:30):
because my family is there and we go to Rightful
Beach to the we have a beach house there. Yeah.
Oh my god, dude, So you're still always there. I'm
still always there. And then in mind from middle school,
Joe Houser, he runs a company in Wilmington. So it's
just like it's just funny coincidence. So when you go
down there, do people recognize you? Are they like, oh
(32:53):
my god, it's brother Derek. Oh of course, of course.
I feel like everyone in Hound knew you guys. I
mean even when we were shooting, you know, just like
going out, people would just that's all they would talk about.
It was it was very cool. I have a very
strong sense memory of us being at level five. Do
you remember real Marines on the rooftop? We had the
(33:14):
fake Marines with us, and it was like there was
like this energy of like, oh, you guys are playing
military on TV. Well we're military in real life and
we'll kick your ass. And I just remember being like
oh no, they will. Yeah. I definitely felt a lot
of pressure. Just I mean, my my family were from
the military. I had my father was in the Air Force,
(33:36):
my uncle was in the Air Force. So everyone was
like just picking me apart after the episode. Really yeah,
just my walk wasn't completely military. You know, We're saying
good bye and then I'm like walking away, you know. Yeah,
the fact that, uh, in the last episode, Lucas and
(33:58):
Peyton both just came out into the training center and
just like found you, like rolled up in a hummer
walking around base. Yeah, just like got right in, no problem.
We lost our minds. We were like, on no planet
would someone in fatigue just pick up a teenage boy
and drive him into the middle of a training exercise.
We were losing it. But but having having so many
(34:21):
folks in your family come from military backgrounds, did you
ask for advice when you got the part of Derek
or were you like, I got this, I know what
this is, Like, how did you prepare for it? I
had such little time to prepare. I was actually on
vacation in Europe when I found out that I was
going to do the show, and I was like, Okay,
(34:43):
you're gonna come to Wilmington everything, and I think I
maybe had very little time to get down there and
get started, so I just I mostly had to just
go off of what I knew from my dad, from
just family members. But the hardest part was just you know,
I just felt like, you know, erect in this uni.
(35:03):
It was kind of tight in there. But but I
remember they made a really big deal out of that.
There was like a technical advisor to make sure that
the belt was appropriate, and so much pressure was put
on you to like make it right, you know. It
was it was a mad dash for sure. And then
I remember them the technical guy with the punching yes yeah, um,
(35:28):
and I and I just I was just so excited
and I was ready to jump in. So whatever it was,
I was pretty much prepared to just you know, just
go with the flow, you know. Um. We talked a
lot about how like you were directed to be really
really angry and to be like really aggressive in the
first couple of episodes where we see Derek, the first
version of brother Derek we had was definitely like get
(35:50):
your together, Pat, and you're being a baby, you know,
and was like super aggressive. Was that eat your experience
with military and your family just being like heightened like that,
or was that something that you were directed to do
on our show because you're so good at like the softer,
more intimate stuff. I think, I mean, I feel like
(36:12):
that's a natural impulse for me. Sometimes with emotional I
feel like I high lean on anger sometimes maybe too much,
I don't know, but um, and I think I was
aware that there would be a shift, so I wanted
to go in initially with a little bit more oomph
and then kind of shift to the more sensitive side.
But I don't know, m hm. That's smart to be
(36:34):
able to give an arc too, so you don't just
come in at the same at the same tone, because
we wanted to see you sort of get wooed into
this experience and then how it be that much harder
to leave? Absolutely? Absolutely, And I really felt the ending
to like, I mean, even just watching it back so much.
There's so much heart in One Street Hill, which I
(36:54):
really appreciate, And even the way the show was shot,
I feel like they just aren't them any shows that
you see now, Yeah, that really capture that young adult sweetness,
that young adult Um. I don't want to use the
word angst, but you mean Yeah, Well, I think what
(37:16):
what was interesting for us was realizing that our show
gave a lot of people permission to be vulnerable anyways
that didn't require you know, fantasy or and again no
shade to the genres we love, but we didn't need vampires.
We didn't need you know, billionaire parents with private jets.
(37:37):
We didn't need it. Like, it didn't have to be
so heightened. It could just be honest. And I think,
you know, you tapped into that in such a way
it felt natural, you know, to your point Derek coming in,
you know, written the characters written to be reluctant to
say I didn't ask for a sister, you know, I
(37:59):
didn't sign up for this, and that sort of energy,
combined with this military background, it's so interesting to hear
you say that you wanted to really bring it in
the beginning because it's it's a mask, right, It's a
defense mechanism for his terability. So much from just my
(38:19):
family members, just that there's a there's a way that
you have to protect your emotions in order to do
the job that you have to do. And that's I
think something that I very much felt from from my father.
I wanted to bring to this because you know, working
with Hillary, you were just so charming and you're so sweet.
(38:40):
So it was just I was really happy to have family.
I was so I've been so alone earnest. But you
and I both come from military families, and so I
think we very quickly bonded over that because there was
this desire to portray the military in a loving way.
(39:00):
You know, we were at war at the time. I
had friends in Iraq. I think you also had friends
that were deployed or family members that were that we're
out um, and you know that that was important to
us that like we show the honor of our men
and women, you know, And and we wanted the character
of Derek to kind of embody that and be like, look,
(39:21):
this is someone that deals with hard stuff and is
doing it in a noble way. And he may seem
like a hard ass, but he's actually like parked outside
of Peyton's house making sure that no one breaks in
while she's asleep. Yeah, and that that ark for you
and the way that you played it, bringing that mask
down when you see him out there and he tells
(39:44):
Lucas that he's staying, but she doesn't need to know
because he's trying to give her that confidence back. And
then this episode, the reward of seeing you tube together
out you know, socially in a in a happier environment,
and watching you be supportive and remind her that she's
(40:05):
a strong person and that she can do these things.
It's it's just such a refreshing energy, um, in the
midst of our show. Yeah, and in such a simple message,
even the no fear. I just really appreciated that. Just
hearing that, UM, I think that that's something that it's
so simple. It's such a simple statement. But I think
(40:26):
that everyone struggles with you, you know, and UM, I
don't know, that just really resonated with me. I love it.
In this episode, you said to Peyton, go take the risk. Um.
I mean, I tell my daughter that I used to
tell her a lot more. I guess I don't know.
I got out of practice that I used to tell
her all the time on her way to school. You've
got to make at least two mistakes today. Oh that's
(40:48):
a great, you know memo, because exactly exactly how else
are you gonna learn if you don't and learn that
and you do make mistakes, it's usually okay, Like if
everybody's okay. In the end, like things eventually get cleaned up,
so you gotta try episode because she actually gets rejected,
(41:12):
the horrible thing happens, You make the mistakes, you give
it to try, and then the bad thing happens and
it's still okay. That was my favorite part is the
look on your face, Ernest, when Peyton comes and like
has to tell you, like, yeah, I did it. Uh
it didn't go good. It went bad, and like that
lock on your face of like, oh, come out and
(41:33):
just wait. It worse for this kid, Like how do
I got to stay and go to the banquet with
her now? But I want to go. I think your advice,
you know, take the risk is part of what pushes
Peyton to finally say it in the end, you know,
when Lucas says, Brooke and I have realized it's over,
like it's really over, and then you you unload and
(41:55):
you say how you've been feeling. It's like you're still
taking his advice. Actually, I love that. I felt really
comfortable with you from the jump because you were a
n y U guy and I had just worked with
(42:17):
Brian Greenberg who was also an n y U guy,
and like Strangely enough, you guys had very similar set energy,
like I can see that, yeah, and so I didn't
I have for the whole rest of my career, always
wondered if that was like an n y U thing,
just that like grounded nous and focus. You know, you
(42:40):
two were the most prominent people had worked with. Yeah,
there's definitely like a tunnel vision. I was thinking about
this for this, but just um that when I'm on set,
everything goes so freaking quick for me, and I just
feel like, well, where did the time go? And I
think it's like I have a d D. But like
the only time I have tunnel jian is when I'm acting,
(43:01):
you know. But I think that there's something about n
Yu that kind of garners that. You know, we spend
a lot of time, like thirty forty minutes before we
even enter a room into a scene, so you spend
a lot of time trying to, I guess, work yourself
into a particular state, you know, for the circumstances. For sure, Um,
(43:24):
it's hard, it's hard, but if things are just moving, moving, moving,
it's just like you're kind of stuck in a machine,
especially coming onto a show like ours, where it was
such a well oiled machine, and we all have our
relationships set and everything was kind of you. You're walking
into something that's been in motion for a very long time.
Well yeah, I mean there's definitely a lot of payoffs still.
(43:47):
But to be able to just come in solid and
centered and comfortable with who you are and who you
saw this character as and just give that it was
such a generous. It's such a generous thing to do
as an act or to not get caught up in
the hype or the chaos or the confusion or the
intimidation and any of that stuff, but just to just
(44:09):
open up your heart and be there in spite of
all these things whirling around you. And you definitely had
that presence. I didn't work with you more than I
think that one scene, that banquet scene, but I remember
that about you. What I remember was all of you
were so close. It was just and and it's so
funny because I didn't get that, I got the vibe.
(44:31):
I mean, especially with eight. I'm sorry, Hillary, because because
I immediately I did feel comfortable around you, but then
when I met all the rest of you, I still
just felt completely comfortable because you guys are so comfortable
with each other, and it really comes across. Even when
I watched it today, Um, it was just obvious that
(44:55):
you guys, we're so close and loved each other and
we're having so much fun, and um it made the
episode more enjoyable. I really actually enjoyed watching it this time.
It was I mean, I get all weird about seeing myself,
you know what I mean? Well, yeah, what was the
reaction from all of your buddies though? When you're like, hey,
I'm on one tree hill. You know, remember that time
(45:18):
everyone wanted to be doing like cool edgy, like everyone
wanted to be playing a heroin addict back during two
thousand six. Oh yeah, I mean that's I mean that
was like I mean, coming out of n y U,
I was like edgy, Yes, But even watching this again,
I was like, man, like, there's so much about this
show that's so soft, and I just really enjoyed the
(45:43):
pace of the show as well. I think that it
would be hard to make a young adult show like
this now, just because I think that they would. They
would try to make everything punchy, they would try to
sensationalize things, and I really felt the softness, the sweetness,
the room, a building of relationship. You can't duplicate it,
you can't recreate that. I feel like it was a
(46:06):
time capsule, a time capsule of TV, because I think
that you can look at the show and you could,
you know, pick apart the hairstyles and the clothes and
things of that era. But I think that there was
there was something else happening that I feel like just
doesn't no longer exist in television. You know, even when
(46:27):
you watch Netflix, I feel like you can immediately tell
a Netflix show even if you didn't know what it was.
You know, Um, what what were the shows you watched
growing up? Like? What were the shows when you were
in high school and made you feel safe? Martin Signo,
M Boy Meets World. Were you pumped to see Leon
(46:50):
Norris on our set? Yes? Yes? Um dock tails? Oh
so good? What else did you think about it? Having
not watched it for you know, fifteen years? What jumped out?
(47:13):
How thin everybody was, any all of you? I just
you know, it's so funny. I think every show I've
shot I just felt fat, you know, and then you know,
you go back to see an episode you're like, oh,
I was clearly out of my mind. You know what
I mean. And I think that that's just like an
actor thing that happens. But yeah, that was one of
(47:37):
you're like hot older brother energy, like the mill you
run on that base, like barking orders at all the
other dudes. Like it was such macho energy. I don't
know how you see it as anything other than like, yeah,
I'm awesome, check this out. Okay. I mean you know,
you know, as an actor, I think that no matter
how good you do, you still feel like, oh I
(47:58):
could have done it better. I could have done this. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
nobody tells you when you decide you love storytelling that
what you're really signing up for is a lifetime of
beating yourself up. But I think what's interesting is in this,
in this stage of our lives, we're all talking about it,
and it's like, oh cool, you two all right, Okay,
(48:19):
I'm not by myself. This is nice. We're all a
little crazy together. I appreciate gen z and and this
whole new self help arab era. I've learned so much
about every mental disorder. Oh my god. In the same way,
I just know that that I have a d h D.
(48:40):
I was like, how you I've literally went through my
whole life not knowing this. Do you know how many
problems I could have solved in my in my life,
how much more self confidence I would have had? How
just so much that I'm like, I cannot believe I
lost so much time yep, not knowing that this was
my problem. I want you to do with a thirty
second drawing for Drama Queens so we can post it
(49:03):
on our Instagram. Ernest, Yeah, yes, can I make a request? Sure? Yeah,
that's what No. I want. I want you to make
us a piece of art in thirty seconds to one.
I'm seriously, I'm going to do this literally the minute
we and I'm going I'm gonna send it to you
guys immediately. What's going on with you? Dude? Did you
(49:31):
I'm cyberstalking you? You know? Please come on? Yeah? Um,
I just yeah, I just had a baby. Girl. She's
so graduated, she's too much, but she's but she is
she is so beautiful. We we truly have been like
(49:54):
scrolling through your Instagram and we're like, oh my god,
look at this baby. Yeah, you're done for McKim didn't Payton,
that's crazy? Oh my god. I have the best idea ever. Okay, Okay, Ernest,
you do art, okay, and I want you to explain
(50:17):
more of your art thing. But you, guys, I saw
in Star News today because I still get the newspaper
back in Wilmington's that they are commissioning a mural in
downtown Wilmington's in that BISU Theater alleyway, and they're like,
we want people to submit their designs for this big
(50:37):
mural that's gonna get painted in town because there's no
murals in in downtown Wilmington's and they want that. And
so here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking big brother Derek
is the right person for this game. And then we
can all go to like open the mural. We could
do a ribbon cutting because it's in an alley. Oh
my god, Okay, we go yeah, tell okay, so explain
(51:02):
your art to everyone, because I seriously I cybers talked
the out of you. Er. I'm just like going through
all of your posts on Instagram, like so cool. It's
me pursuing that edgier side of myself. I started making
things about poverty. I was doing that for a bit,
and then I started to feel like that was very
cliche but I mean, I know you guys have seen
(51:25):
what's been going on in the United States lately, so um,
a lot of people struggling, and I think I was
in New York and I was just seeing so much
of that and I just wanted to capture some of it.
Um and just I think, just keep busy, just keep working.
I think lately I've been making a lot of films.
I'm I'm working on a feature film right now. And cool.
(51:49):
I love these creative outlets though, because there's a part
of me that thinks that big brother Derek is probably
doing the same thing. You know, a lot of my
friends who got out of the military really needed career
paths and other directions when they got out. And so
watching you paint Peyton's bedroom in this episode, I'm like,
(52:09):
of course, our brothers and artists they have this. Yeah,
that's right. I love that. It's a great outlet, great,
great for emotional um expression, just trying to find a
way to process. It's about yeah, yeah, And I think
(52:32):
that's what the character of Derek is like pushing in
your arc Because we have these little kids on our show,
like bad things keep happening to all of us. We
get shot at school. Parents die. We get dumped, you know,
like bad stuff key, but we get dumped in that category.
We get dumped the world spectrum, but none of us
(52:56):
are processing it until this like older Lewins comes along
and it's like all kids are nuts, Like you have
to do the work, do your work, and that's important. Well,
we talked about that actually, Earnest in one of our
last episodes, watching your performance and what real Derek offers
(53:18):
to Peyton. We've we've spoken a lot on this podcast
about how these kids go through these traumatic experiences. Nobody
sends them to therapy, nobody, nobody helps them to Hillary's
point process. And weirdly, you know, the grown ups who
were writing these storylines would would write a lot of jokes,
(53:39):
Like Lucas says in the last episode to Peyton, you
know when you guys have a moment and Derek is,
you know, has his wall up, Lucas goes, well, I
like the other Derek better, and it's like the other
Derek is literally a rapist. Let's not make jokes about this.
And and what's so cool is that, even though your
arc was not as long as we all would have liked,
(54:00):
you showed up and you grounded it in this way.
That really did say for the first time, you have
to deal with this, you have to face it. You
you as a character, like you know, even though you know,
Hillary was like, oh my god, I hated the boxing.
I think I looked ridiculous, but that was it. It
(54:21):
was that moment. But you made her get in her body. Hilarious.
It was so bad. Kept trying, We just kept trying
to perfect the like punch punch, punching in the breakdown,
Oh god, oh god. We like to ask a lot
(54:44):
of our friends who come on the show, like, where
do you think your character is today? M hmm. Definitely
not in the military my sense. Um, I don't know.
I immediately went to carpentry. Maybe it's because in the episode,
(55:06):
but just something I don't know. I get the vibe,
something that's very relaxing but also engaging. Right, yeah, I
love it. Okay, we're going to spin a wheel. Because
this is a high school oriented show, we like to
do superlatives most likely too, did you have superlatives at
your high school? I couldn't tell you in your yearbook?
(55:28):
Oh okay, here we go. Who's most likely to not
forget your birthday? Who so so Earnest. We do this
for a character on One Tree Hill, and we do
it for one of the cast members in real life. Okay, okay, Yeah,
it's tough because you weren't with us for super long,
(55:49):
so you didn't get to know all of us very well.
But you can take your best guests. Um, who is
it to not forget to remember? I guess to remember
your birthday? The person. That's the way of saying it.
That's seven am text. The character I would say, Peyton brother.
(56:13):
Um the actor, I would say, Sophia, Yeah, no, you
you're you're you seem like a very precise artist. She's organized.
Thank you. We need to know what Ernest real birthday is.
What's your birthday? Is your birthdad? It's that's right, because
(56:36):
we're all in July. I remember now, Okay, here we
are all right. Happy birthday, brother, You're stuck with us forever.
We're going to get text messages. Hopefully we get to
see you in person soon, yes, and I hope so too. Yeah,
And I'm looking forward to our artwork. Maybe I'll get
that tattooed. No pressure, right, literally, but a lifetime of
(57:05):
appreciation gets Lee earnest. So good to see you all.
I had a blast shooting those episodes. You guys are awesome. Seriously,
thanks Bud, We're happy to see you. Bye bye, I
(57:27):
love Why did they get to keep him? Like? Why
wasn't he at Peyton's wedding? Why wasn't the things? I
don't know? I know, Well, I'm straight glad we got
today in our in our parallel universe version of One
(57:48):
Tree Hill, he stayed forever forever. Alright, guys, Next week,
next guys, Oh, next week we got season four episode nine,
some you give away. They all sound so spooky this season.
I'm like, after every single one we read, I want
to go done, done, done, don't I don't know why?
(58:09):
Al Right, Well, let the dreaded too. We'll see you
next week. Bye bye bye, Hey, thanks for listening. Don't
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