Episode 318- “The War Report 25 Year Anniversary”

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of the Black Effect
and I Heart Radio and his drinks as motherfucking podcast Mason,
He's a legendary queen's rapper. He'sagre's your boy in no

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r E. He's a Miami hip hop pioneer, up his
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And yet number one sort for drunk fast drink is
New year Z. That's for Drink Champs, Drink up the

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would it good be? Hopefully it should be? This is
your point in O R What up is d J
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Row Radio? Big ship? And Uh? This I would like
to say, is I guess not? I guess I'm sure
quite possibly. Uh this is one of the specialist episodes.

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I don't know specialist. It's not a word, not the
way I used it. Um when we die second, deteriorate
and put it together and take a part and put
together album album that in a lot of ways, you know,
I wouldn't be here, A lot of people sitting at
this table wouldn't be here. This show probably wouldn't exist.

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Um that that legal marijuana that's standing in front you
might not exist. Uh, you know once of this beautiful
things that we got going on, whenn't is this for
this album? But putting this album together with a lot
of people don't know was it was a lot of kinks.
It was a lot of things behind the scenes, a

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lot of things in front to see means. So when
I thought about it, I said, wow, this we're coming up.
I wanted to invite people, not only the artists, because
a lot of times when something is great, people always
credit the artists and they don't understand that people that's behind,
Who's who's helping booking these sessions, who's calling these producers,

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who's putting it together, who's cutting the check? Pick up
Edward Holmes, I don't know why I just thought of happen.
Don't know how to think of the counting. I'm a
foul guy. I don't know why it's just crossing me.
But but you don't everyone marketing to retail. You don't
know how good this is until you don't have it.

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You know. I can't remember working in this record label
that I'm about the you know, introduce and it was
like twelve workers, and I've you know, I remember getting
things done. I remember going to label after that with
three thousand workers, and the market of the New Warkmer
booked me to the same town as the retail department,
and and then the raidar of department book at the

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same time, and I was like, don't you motherfucker's cap
on the came I realized no, they don't. So being
on this little boutique label meant something. So in case
you don't know what I'm doing right now, what we're
doing is we're not only introducing the War Report, people
who signed it, to people who put it together, the
people who you know was there when the group first

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got fromm and the people who did it. But we're
gonna uh show some love to that album. So in
case you don't know who we talked about right now,
to my right, to my left, we got made him
motherfucking in the build that makes me, Greg Taylor, Greg Taylor,
made him good, damn it, uh Martin motherfucking more. We

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got the motherfucking guy that put it all together and
made it all happen, Neil motherfucker. Then we got Geno
Sims I think was like the intern. He was like
he was like the real Nick got the front desks
and ship. You know, even from that said the big one,

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and then from that and then even before me and
Poem actually got together, this was one guy who knew
Capone and there was one guy who knew Norry and
on on that level. Put it all together. In case
you don't know, we talk about talking about tragedy, motherfucker's

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and the last but not least God did that. We
shared a lot of marijuana and jail and we smoked
Bible papers together. I'm not proud of this. It's just
something that's happened. And now we are home together. I
just had a daughter graduate college who well you know

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what I'm saying. So case you don't know Capone and
Noriega not Compone, I'm gonna obviously start with you because
this has been these famous stories of how we met
and what we met because really, really what what was

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our first plans when we first met each other in jail? Well,
I really first plans was basketball? Like it was it was.
It was basically like, Yo, how can I get you
to my side of my jail to play basketball with me?
Because you're nice, but your side of the jail got
no players, but y'all want the championship because you was

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on the team. I pick up Sherman the world like
it was. It was intricate, possible because he was like
your mimi. He was like your mommi because yeah, yeah,
let's give it up. Alo was my novel. It wasn't

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for then too. We won't be together. And Billy Wade
like church, church, church church when we met at church,
and it was like all that was our past time.
But we had to have a common ground where we
could meet and that was the basketball call. So yes,
side of the jail having to play my side of
the jail. We had Kurt James who played with Magic Johnson.

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By the way, Kirk James was dopey, went Toto University
of Michigan, went to the NBA, blew his knee out.
It became correction office. So if that's what you want
to call it. Hello, You guys didn't know each other
before jail. This is this is where the first time.
But I knew of him because the school that he

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got kicked out of, I got kicked out. I went
to do that. It's terrible, but he got kicked out.
I think you got kicked out, graduated graduate. When he
left there, I went to one. And that's like the
first time my encountered with Queen's Ridge period because although
it wasn't Queen's Bridge, it was bliss. Yeah. So that's

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a seven train, seven train and then you actually see
you guys projects. But I really didn't know I had.
I had met somebody name l J. Yes, okay, so
he was finishing. But like it's basically like, you know,
what's crazy is that when you look at it, like,
you know, our age, we've grown now and all that.
But we was like neck and neck of life high school,

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the junior high school I went to, he went to
after I graduate. The jail that I went to he
went to after I left. I want to know. So
we was writing neck and neck or meeting each other,
but we didn't meet to Hall of Valley. We didn't
get to that level. And then it was straight basketball.
We never talked about music. It was straight basketball. And
then I got him pulled to the college dome. He

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trying trying to floor, you know, but you know, I
got my brother pulled to my house and shout out
to shot is out there right now. He was with
us there's a lot of people that I met in
the fifteen six t old age bracket that we're still together.
Now that's a but this is one of the things
that made it. One of the brothers that made a difference.

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But you know, we got to basketball, and then the
first time we met, he was like, you don't play
no deal on me. I don't play no deal on you.
We had had from then, you know, we got we
got him pulled to my house, shout out to pans.

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You know, yeah, you know what I'm saying. He got
he got a pull to the crib. And then from
there was history. We never talked, music, was basketball, selling drugs.
It was it. And that became my best friend in
jail besides what is exactly but but okay, now coming home, No, no,
that that's that's in jail. But coming home now we

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spend all time now coming home. You and compone knew
each other prior to seeing each other upstate, Because when
did y'all first seeing each other? Didn y'll see each
other in Yorktown? Or where was y'all like, y'all, Now,
I wasn't I wasn't short. I was doing one thing,
and then he was in New York doing another and
my man, Wonderful, Wonderful hooked us up together. I came

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to the studio and Tragic, Yeah, wonder formula, no no
nomber league from Southside. Okay, okay, but he was like trash.
It was like, you know what I'm not, I'm not
really feeling that ship. Let's get the funk out of here.
And we left by the way. Jam Mass and J
was there, studio Jams and J Studio. We boog east

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in peace, rest in piece. We boogied on very carefully,
and we became at that point because as I remember, y'all,
y'all unless your daughter you walked in, that's my wife
by because I was like, it was I know you,

(10:00):
I know, I know, and these guys can attest to
me because y'all was like the horny month on b

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First of all, no question, that's you know, I don't
investigative reporter, right my lady I'm talking to but you know, yeah,

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we're not gonna let you slide like you wasn't. You
didn't have to. Ye had the pocket. I used to
hang out with book Rock. I had the pocket else, yes,
nor know what I'm saying is so what was what
was initially? Yeah, just be clear because just because you're
from Queen's Bridge don't mean you get along. That's true,

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you know what I'm saying. And you from an enemy
block almost right, you're from Vernon, y'all, from an enemy
block according to his block, and you from an enemy
block according to your block. M you're talking about the ship?
What do you want to be great outside? But so
what I'm saying this y'all, y'all the time, y'all link up?
How does this? It was like, it was like this

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man um okay, I think it was wonderful. He's like, Yo,
you don't know my man, you know? And I was like,
now who that good one? So he was now who that?
He was like, Yo, that's ky. I was like, because
you know, it sounds a little a little younger than me.
So I'm like, it's like a rose, sir, than anybody
else wants from Champagne. What do you guys? You know

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you're like some champagne? Would you what would you like?
You know? I heard you ain't drinking a long time today.
There was four years ago, so so but I guess
I think you stood me. I guess what was what
was it like, Um, wasn't the fact that you know
what I'm saying. Uh, it was the queen's weird thing

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or was it not? It was just we vibed like
we vibed in Um that was a queen'st thing. Because
if I don't know trash like I know trash queens Bridge,
that I won't have went down. It wasn't a queensbridt
thing for me. It was because I didn't know him.
I knew a story of him. So when the story
got put from me, I was like, oh, that's saying
that's the number man. I mean at the time, whatever

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piece of the big, big, big big b the o G.
Can't you do love him? Um? Yeah? So I was like, oh,
I heard that story, that's what. Yeah. So I was like,
I heard that story. I remember the story, and I'm
shooting the police. I didn't say that, but I just
remember the story. I remember a specific story and this

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story that story. So when I heard that story, I
was like, oh, wre that Sun. I'm looking at him
like you know, look, I mean he looked all you know,
and me and him clicked up and m man just
clicked up. Were is separable since then? And um, there's
been a lot going on since then. Okay, so now boom,
moving on to you. Now, how do you in tragedy

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even link up? Did you have a relationship or was
that Martin Moore? Well, I actually knew Trash because you know,
I promoted you know, his records because until round the
little music that's been round the glow was really popping,
and you were signed. It was tough. Yeah, heaven, you know. So,
so he had a deal. So we met and I

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was promoting and stuff. Then Martin brought the guys and
he said, you know Trash. Yeah, he brought the guys in,
brought you guys in. You know what I'm saying. You
guys had a relationship prior to that, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,
already been formed or not yet, just around the globe,
round the globe, and Martin originally started working around the
globe music. It was radio promotion. He was not a

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good plot listening to the old tag thing and when
you cool, I mean classic, classic, classic, and what was
that college radio at the time. That's interesting, man, that's

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what so. So okay, so Martin would be my radio
promoter and someone would come in and be ready to
you know, pay, you know, pay us to promote director
Martin be like, it's okay, It's like at least he'sn't
gonna work very tough. I said, I want to start
up label, and when I do, I want to bring
you in on that side. And you know, kicking strain.

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So Marty and I go back along. He has a
tough Clen't you tell me my girls don't calm down? Good?
I said, I'm I'm gonna try to go too fast
to go back to that. So okay, I'm doing understand Now,
how about you and Martin? Did you know him? I've

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seen Martin around, like, you know, we're in the same
kind of we're in the same arena sort of speak.
So I would see Martin around, but you know, Mark
is quiet, and then I wasn't really too much of
a social person in that way if I know you,
but I definitely remember seeing him, and so when it
made it easier to like kind of paulay a meeting
with him and connect with him, you know what I'm saying,
because he was always always smooth and quiet. But it

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was it was good motion for us to line up
and me to come through and play the ship for him,
and when I played it for him, he was feeling it,
know what I'm saying, definitely feeling Okay. Now I made
him same question almost did you have a relationship with Neil?
How did how did this this happen? I meant Neil
to Martin? Okay, So me and Martin did UH and
Yu together. I used to listen to like you was

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in the cage radio. Now I noticed you say, Yeah,
I STI listened to like all like the underground radio shows.
And I used to listen to him when I was
in high school. So when I got into n y U,
I gave a tape and I said, Yo, you need
a d J. I need to DJ. He was like, oh, world,
all right, listen to t is that you kind of right?

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And then he brought me on and that we did
the show together and I didn't want you okay, And
then I brought him on. He prought me on twice. Now,
how did you get him just involved with this? Well,
it's crazy because it was it was actually two ways, right, Okay.

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So I used to hustle with a guy by the
name of el nessl Nest my man. Yes, who's friends
with Jula? Yeah, yeah, you know from my hood. But
me and Alice the hustle together and once to nine
and he was like, Yo, I'm doing my thing in

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radio boom boom, you know. And I was like, yeah,
I'm trying to get into music, but I want work
behind the scenes. So he was like, yo, you come up,
just you know, come up and figure out the day
to come up. So I was like, all right, cool.
So then when I went up, I started in and
I went into Kylin Williams. I know Colin Williams through
Pete Rock and I was cool with Pete and his
brother grab from when I used to try to get

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you know, wrap and get into music because used to rap. Yeah,
I heard about that. It was good. It was it
was to cowing. That was cowing the m messing and
you know wims and started off with that and you know,
answer the phones ordering you tuna, milks and all that.

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Pluck you pluck you, suck you luck. You know the
guy who did Animal Doug Onna pluck you. He owns
pluck you right now. Yeah, the guy who did it,
the guy did this kid you. Oh yeah, he brought
you and he was just working at at the time. No,
this skit he's figuring out. He figured out he was

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the first, like vibral not being environed. We got to
you just get helped him buying. Yes, George, that's the
real right. So because I look at Rockefeller, right, and
you got all these beautiful stories, you say, all right, cool,

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but this all comes from this one tree. When you
got you know, airing over here and all this, and
I look at that penalty, I said, wow, we got
we had a lot of great people who work that penalty.
Did y'all know that this little boutique label was the
magical label? Did you know that? Now? Well, I knew
we were doing some special stuff and and I just
you know, you just felt the vibe. So yeah, I

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knew something special was happening. Uh Did I know it
would be sitting here twenty five years? Uh? No? Who
could have imagined that drinking drink one rose rose or
I'm drinking the goal, give the goal, given the goal,
Keep drinking the rose Rose tras you want to get

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some rolls? You know all of this getting the rolls.
Eg she didn't want TV. We're gonna make I don't
know he wants the rose the rose with you? Brother?
Come on, let's go. You can probably do one. It's okay,
it's okay, whatever whatever you want. Okay, So foom, Because
wasn't the label before you moved on? What's in it

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on twenty five street? That first street? Yeah, that's that's
where street all the flowers used to be outside a
lot of comment, Oh it's real, it's very really tracks
kind of going back like some time to say one thing.

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So penalty started, and you know, you know really with
round the Blow, it was really popping in those days.
So Martin was actually the first person I brought over
to the penalty. So round the Blow it was on
twenty eight Street. And then when penalty started popping, then
I started moving the people from around the globe to
the label. But you know, twenty street was was great

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to us. And then we st far on and that
was next to job. That's right down to the factory studios,
down the plot Form VI, which was of course the
street which was up the block, and of course the
street from No but wasn't we had the rooftop. Right

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at the rooftop, we had the roof. Let me see
you out there all the time. We didn't have no
place to hang out. We knew we could go to
twenty Street on the roof, hang out the plug A
freedom there, like you said, it was a freedom there.
And I think that's one of the important things about
a label light Penalty, because when you have a boutique label,

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it's not generic. There's not people afraid to take chances
sometimes lessons more like you said earlier, the ten people there,
three thousand people over there, but the three thousand people
couldn't get it right because the ten were focused and
they were willing to take chances. And that's what games
labels like that. And I gotta commend you know, Neil
vaughtin Mayhem, Bubba Gino. That's what gave labels like that

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a strength because they weren't afraid to take chances. Other
labels like that assisted only other labels that that assisted
like that def Jam did later started, but I would
give it to Loud. Yeah. Actually, Steve, Steve knew how
to what's the fractionally la Yes, yes, yes, but yes, yes, yes, raucus.

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But the Penalty already have its Tommy Boy distribution when
you started. Yeah, I mean I started, and then I
did the deal with Tom Hillman Tommy Boy. I had
another Lay. But before that Assault Records at the DFC
that was part of Atlantic. That's right. So and then
I didn't make money from it, and I spent all
my own money promoting and I said, oh, this doesn't work.

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Can I went. I went to to you know, Atlantic,
and said, hey, let's change the deal. It's like, nah,
we're good. So that's when I did the deal. I
started another label because they owned the name I was
in business with him, I started Penalty. And since since
I was promoting a lot of the Tommy Boy records
back then, it just kind of made sense. So boom,
get to it. We established everyone knows each other. That

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is that is good about Okay, now crazy, No, I want.
I wanted This is why I wanted to start Trash.
And I actually wanted to access in front of the
trash just because even when I were announcing that I
was signing with Trag, right, Trag had a certain repetition, Right,

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he had a certain like yo, it was certain things
that came with doing business with Trad. Did that was
that ever reflected on y'all? Like when you heard about
the group, did you did you hear about the group
or did you hear about you? Know, like things that
happened was was attached to track? Not really. I I
really love Trash, so I had a relationship and so

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I didn't I didn't know that didn't That wasn't a
factor at all, you know, how about you? Yeah? Not
for me, it didn't really it wasn't a factor. I mean,
it wasn't really like relevant to be signed. It was
just like the music was there. It was like, all right,
that's it. It wasn't even his business. Antics wasn't even
a factory. And didn't you write gard because for the

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most part, you're you're knowing more than the label. You
know what I'm saying. There already a legend. What made
you say? I'm sorry? But the thing about it is
that like Trash had a vision and what I liked
when he came, he laid it out and I was sold.
I was like, okay, now I get it. I heard
the music. But then when he came and laid it

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out and laid out the vision, I was like, okay,
this is this is we could work with this. Because
hold up, I think that you guys are jumping a
little bit because we are how do you how do
you get to the to the group to start with, Like,
how do you say these two sounds good together? This
is a group? No, no, okay, I would get to
that part, but this is the part I was trying
to get to what DRAS was the same way. It

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was a chance and a risk for Penalty to kind
of fun with a new uh group. It was also
a risk for tras reputation to funk with a new
group too. You understand I'm saying. So what I'm trying
to ascuve me a new label too. So what I'm
trying to say is what made you say that? You
know what? Because at the time there were other labels

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that existed like that, but there was the Terrificans or whatever.
There wasn't no other base penalty on. I didn't. I didn't.
I didn't. I appreciate you saying that too, but you
know it's wow. I didn't. Let I look at everything
like music. Sometimes that's to my default because life is life,
you know what I'm saying. But I don't like when
I choose to beat. I don't choose to beat. I

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let to beat choose me. So I don't necessarily go
and be like what it was is I let the
ship talk to me. I'm going over here, going there.
I'm seeing how different labels work. I'm coming off a
situation with Molly don't dispect love Molly, but it was
a type of situation that taught me a lot the hallway.
You know what I'm saying, Three ways the best lessons
to pay lesson you can learn, you know, by way

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of time and money and you know whatever and all
the above. So it's like going through that whole chamber
with Molly. I was like, Yo, you know, I want
to do I want to do things how I see it,
how how music should be and how the artists should be.
I didn't fully have it down. I kind of went along,
you know, learn as I went along too a lot

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and then learn later after it's done, so to speak.
So but I let it talk to me, and I'm
going around two different labels. But I'm I'm kind of
you know what I'm saying, you know how you never
so I'm going around, but I'm really not asking what
I really want. I'm kind of just feeling people out
because I feel like by the time I get to

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what I want, I don't know how to ask for it.
You know, stand I'm saying, you get me. So I'm
going around and I'm like, alright, cool, you know, and
it's just before you even got involved to picture right
that that's that's the same thing we was trying to keep.
Let's go, let's go out ready, and we all comes.
I'm basically working with him. Describe if you're gonna let's

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come out. Okay, Um, I gotta take it from I
come home, come on from Yeah, go to Queen's Bridge.
It tell me homies on the rhynd who ya't know

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that ship? That's why they went to I got you.
So after that I find out they got a record
the Faith Moving Okay, okay, listen, I'll went you ask
you kind of jump out. You got to realize Attle,

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That's how it looked for me. But but this is
before you even okay, he had he didn't have a
record deal, right. What it was is we had like
a bullshit demo deal. We had demo deal. We have believers, Yeah,
we have believe yeah, Paul, Yeah, so we dog faith

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faith you know what I mean? Around at that time
wasn't chall Sup, He wasn't chall Super. He wasn't directly
attached to us like faith Tim Dog. Tim took it
upon himself to say, I'm wonderful, but but Tim Dog's
thinking with p Tim Dogg too, but moving on him,
good dude, because he didn't say, look, I can't give

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you a deal. He didn't say I don't want to
give you a deal. He said, I can't bring you
over here your type of music. But I see what
you're doing, so I'm giving And it wasn't demo deal.
He said, I'm gonna give you a demo deal. Basically,
you know that your motherfucker lies. The motherfucker keep something

(28:17):
right on that. I'm gonna track hold on continual. I
gotta get that book. I'm not get that new book
you reading. So anyway anyway, so boy, we do um
we go and do um we go and do a

(28:37):
get the cream. We're gonna do get the cream right,
So um mine your fucking demo deals like it's a
stack and studio it's okay, um so boom, I'm I'm
working with. I had told I boy, I had told
a Beat Machine n PC and how you gonna get

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you wasn't giving them none of your star And then
he had to try money. Somebody gotta pay for this.
I always shoot back, baby, so so, yeah, so we
were working with Ayatola. But this dude, like, you know, respectfully,
he's in and out. He's in and out. You know,

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he's sometime he comes through, sometimes he doesn't. Ever some
street ship, he's always there, you know, might be studient,
he might be like, yo, I gotta go run out
of the town, or even I gotta go do some
other things, you know whatever. So and I'm getting that
vibe that because at the time he's nice to me,
he's still greatus. But by the time he's nice and
I'm like, yo, what are you going bro? So he's

(29:45):
like yo, um you know, that's when he brings you up.
So I'm like, Yo, that wasn't the fucking plan, son,
what are you doing? And so now I'm like, man,
so it kind of it kind of throws me off
for a little second because it was like, you know,
just sneaking put it on, yeah, because you're not having it,

(30:05):
like you hate doing your curveball through me a curveball,
so especially a nigger, you don't know. Yeah, this was
just this to just man. To me, it gets interested
because I'm like, you know, you're not yeah, man, Like
what funk that dude? And did did he tell you
what I was from that time? Okay, I co continue

(30:26):
because I didn't even Soon as he was saying that,
I was like, we might you ain't going on. We
might be in a crab doing whatever we're doing. He's like, yo, black,
I don't ask nothing. I kind of wanted to forget
about it, so I'm not gonna feed this ship. But
I keep, you know, every now and then I thought them, like, yo,
y'all go back and do some more songs. He's like, yo,
but my maid, my man, my man. And I'm like, alright.

(30:48):
So he's like, yo, I don't know. Time just flew
and he's like, yo, my man's coming home with me.
I was thinking, man, you're telling me about Like yeah,
I'm like, she's a fun nigger, you know that, so
fun that so whore. We go ahead the train station
and it's that I met when he was probably like

(31:11):
tanning some ship because trying to save a little brother.
And you know, at the time, I was in a
different school of thought. No saying I got I got
the white on. You know, I'm saying that Jollo bed
the koufy, you know what I'm saying. She's like, I
go I go, actually go to his crib because she's like, yeah,
I see you always look like a positive Go talk
to my brother like you're reminded me that DMS kit.

(31:35):
He's like you, I know you you need to go
to gloss. It was just like your eyes over, you
need to find yourself. So we're not having that kids
as funny as hell. So long story logo, I go
to the crib means the bell this thinking comes out
on the Norway right or the mag and the're like, hey,

(31:58):
let's she's just brotherfucker Like. So when I go on
to train station, I'm like, oh, ship this dude. And
I don't know. It was just it was no more
question just but now it's like I gotta see what
he got. It wasn't like I'm denini ni no more.
It was like I say, he's kind of he's fucked up.

(32:19):
You know what I'm saying. We'll get it long so
we this a little time goes by, we're building, kicking it,
throwing back back and forth. Ideas were going the studio.
I I grabbed Jay Supreme for Queen's Bridge, who happened
to produce Damn That every big dude from Queen's Bridge's
first demo. That was Hot Day's little guy or No,

(32:40):
I wouldn't say that partner right so so so um Yeah,
Jay supreme beautiful dude. Still working him to this day.
We're actually working on the project. But I bron we
got to beat first. That's when tape are still rocking.
We got to beat first. Well happened million talking so

(33:01):
so so um? Which is I think it was a
great dope song. I don't even remember why we didn't
put on the album What happened money that you gotta
figure that realized also too, that wasn't part of them.
Yeah that was wasn't No, it wasn't. But I'm gonna
tell you what happened Mill was one of my favorite
sessions that you could pick up right, But what was

(33:21):
this isative joint? Yes, wait a minute, let me let
me do the solo that I come to your record.
He jumps on my record. I was working on a
whole another record with butt naked tim go yeah, and
he pulls up to the session. Yeah, and Jason Frage
as music. This beats in the session and then I'm

(33:44):
like my brother said, I forget all my souls. We
was actually trying to get you on the soundtrack. The soundtrack.
I forgot the soundtrack, but at the of the day
I was doing a soundtrack reak. It didn't slam one
of them. Yeah, but Solund pulled up and it was

(34:06):
like my niggas hit the funny ship out of everything that.
I still never heard him around either. I never on God,
you never rhymed together. Yeah when you heard me, I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying is like when you wrong

(34:28):
on like like that in the studio, studio time right now,
you're right. I still don't know what slum could do.
I'm notching form, but I don't know if that ship
was understand me was gonna resonate to the boom, y'all vouching, vouching, vouching,
and then me, I'm sip of five and thousand times

(34:48):
every rhyme I got here. I don't. I don't got
the rhymes down here. I got it all here. So
I'm not only sticking it from from from from head,
but I'm sticking it from head ahead. The old ship
was was that sound that session? My nigger was SI,
it wasn't like we see we got I wanted you
to finish. He was saying, I fall back and move

(35:10):
forward blood. So so here, so now we in power play,
we get Jay Jason Prima come through. And this is
my first time really hearing Nory like because you know what,
like he said, we were I heard him when we

(35:33):
be in a crib and we just be playing beets
and you know, he spent some ship, but I didn't.
I couldn't put him together right away in my mind.
I couldn't. I couldn't grasp it, you know what I'm saying. Like,
So now we're in the studio, it's different, and now
I need to see if he understands structure. Now I
need to see if you know what I'm saying. But

(35:54):
he was just wow, like his ship was all over
the place, but it was raw and you know it's
no it's old, like he said, you know, um whatever
the words you used, UMZ got tricks. We get back
to that. But I like that, you know what I'm
saying because to me, not because it's wild or whatever,

(36:15):
because to me, like at that time, I'm very passionate
about music. You know what I'm saying, And to me,
that comes from a real place that I relate to
you know what I'm saying. Like, so as I'm listening,
I'm like, oh shoot, but I'm like, yo, this ship
his his voice sounds bugged to me. It kind of
reminded me of like when Sham was here and he

(36:35):
said when him and Marlin listened to rock Himsel, and
it was like, Yo, what it's so over there that
it's like because poone is nice, but Poe has that
Queen's Bridge vein in them. He has that vein. But
Norri came from the place that he couldn't take what
he has from you know what I'm saying, it's different.

(36:57):
So it's like more or less he the fallstab and
you know, for for contrary to what belief is out there.
I never wrote no rhymes phone. I helped him with
his rhymes. I never wrote his rhymes, but help with

(37:18):
I don't know, don't understanding that he didn't always he
always get like listen, I don't want you to know
what it was. So again I'd like to know what
his doors like is good. I'm not afraid. I gotta
tell listen, I gotta tell the truth. But when I

(37:39):
say help, I mean it in a respectful sense. Listen,
stop playing man, I know he'd listen. It's my brother,
Well listen, because you know what it's because of a
lot of like a lot of ship came up and
you know, been around us, surrounding us. Ship surrounds me too.
That didn't say he happen. But I don't care about that.

(38:02):
I care about my brothers and my brothers seeing where
I'm coming from, and I gotta see where they come from.
That's and that's reality. All that outside ship I don't
care about. So I want to make clarity now because
this is something I brung up. You didn't bring it up,
but I want to bring it up now. Has to
say when I helped you, I helped to a song
structures like or put here, that's how you can stuck

(38:24):
up up or like blood money when that was my
first ball, my uh my verse saying you know what,
that should be the hook. So now when I say that, yeah,
but that's the truth, whether you accept it or not,
it's the truth that I'm just speaking the truth. You
don't have to keep doing that. You know what you know,
because listen, I'm saying that, but I'm saying that it

(38:46):
can't be sad no more. Because when I'm talking about
my people's or what we did. It's like I'm not
speaking it to to I'm not speaking it for the outside.
You understand I'm saying I do. But but but you
gotta realize how people how people take it. And you're right,
and you're right because you gotta realize. When we looked

(39:07):
at the Worried Poor album, you look at the credits,
it says sweet public and sweet well sweet says you
know Percy Chapman. People all the back like wait a minute,
wait a minute, you see what's going on. This is
how this is. That's how that's how Kane was credited

(39:29):
on busines Mark records. This is how such such people's
credits so automatically. That's how people took that, especially when
it's on records that you wear it on. You know,
What's what I'm saying, So like I can see that
they say it like all right, cool parole violators, that's
nory trash and and have it. So so we gotta
we gotta realize it's me personally. When we went through
our discrepancies and he was like, yo, you know how

(39:51):
the value said that. That's how what people did. People
came in and and and and that's how they that's
how they put it together, and that Yeah, what's tough
because I didn't know how to go to every interview
and be like what Nigga didn't and didn't and didn't
and never and not only that, Let's just be clear.
You know, our e album the next year was more

(40:13):
successful than the war reports. So if I was to say, well,
if that's happened, what the fund wo happened went in
our eat what, it will automatically make it look like
I'm sitting on my partner and jail. So I literally
for comorable for a minute, because it would be like
I'm sitting on the Warrior for like a totally different vein.
Though nobody's gotta realize this is my life that I'm living.

(40:35):
So I'm just telling you what I was receiving from
my end when I was walking and after you know,
blood type had dropped to things like that, you know
what I'm saying. So I'm glad what you said, um
and uh yeah, I'm glad. I'm good. I'm glad. It's
very it's very personal to me. It's very personal to

(40:56):
be because because of that fact that it'd because I
didn't understand publishing at the time, and when people brow
that up to me, well why his name is on
the publishing head? Why his name? And then who the
sweets twelbo two? You know what I'm saying that, So
I'm like that they still thinking some other guy sweet
twelbow twy, it wasn't crack. And that's what I was like.
And that's something like that's some of them. That's I

(41:18):
want to say this and and and and um and
respected that right. That's part of the reason why when
you wanted out to deal, I didn't want nothing. You
know what I'm saying. I didn't want nothing. Him and
the lawyer at the time, Reggiald say, who came on
your show and live keep it green? Though, I'm gonna
keep it green because I'm in my skin so infactual,

(41:42):
so you know what I mean. Like, that's why when
when it was time for I still part, I didn't.
I didn't. I don't want to do that because honestly,
like I said, I was still learning a lot as
I went along. So and I know that now, you know,
but it's still a little you know, it's still a
little same ship. I see, I see the speak at all.

(42:04):
I'm good, right, good? But that but I need you
to go with me with that. Yeah, I don't know
you're good. I'm great, I'm great. Yeah, we need I
need you to be good with me today. I don't agree.
I'm change. No, but that's like as a person. You know,
um and what I'm saying. People said that about him

(42:25):
too because of the publishing there. Yeah, that was the
only reason. Why do you go to it? Because I
was like, here't haveing this record? Ship? He got gaze
I was. I was speaking to him. He's like, I'm

(42:46):
speaking to him. You must have been rolling with possession
was a super Yeah? Did that film? Is that? I'm
coming in on your im telling you and be like, yo,
let's make a ship. What about that time went to
the show? You spit on the car, disrespectful y'all. We
go to go, y'all go to see what I'll be.

(43:07):
I can't bring motherfucking who was it real? And who
is it? Who is it? Stuff? Stuff? You did? Get
out of here? I said this, thinking crazy, he get
the I don't remember none of that. I tell you
who We're not sting ship. You should will make us

(43:32):
brothers right now. If it wasn't for them days. We
wouldn't have these days like the misunderstanding days, them days
where it was left Frank killed be the days was
like Paul them days made it's just called warrant this
thick still on the car. Then he just get out
of left friend and we was on the highwackets later

(44:01):
nigger straight up. When we as an NC like that,
we wished my nigga was in. But then you know,
it was a whole bunch of ship that made us
us that was going on. Okay, I mean jail no
funk that. Yeah, two niggers put me in the most
long position because I gotta call him and listen to
what he's saying. And I'm saying, just be clear that

(44:21):
I said, you said. But I was the more imporn
person at the time. I was the mort my shop.
It ain't my job. He wasn't. How to get that

(44:41):
back to the down we don't want to imagine. Yeah,
I got okay, so boom, Let's let's get back to
the Let's get back to the origin the album be called.
When I first heard Martin is you heard us on

(45:05):
master Flex. That's a lot, that's a lot way before
that stretching stretch don't you know what the funny thing
is like? So I heard it. I was just you know,
so to back up a little bit, you know, I
was doing an underground college radio show, so I was
always intuned to what was happening on the streets music
glass or whatever I had heard about you. I had
never heard anything. In the fact, I had read the

(45:27):
article about your vibe. I think Sasha or wrote it.
It was it was a bucked out article because it
was like but anyway, then I eventually got the demo
tape and what Trag was saying, what stood out to
me on that demo tape was your offward style, but
it was different. It was like something that I was like, oh,
ship because you know, it was like a regular record,

(45:48):
but it was it was this was what I'm talking about,
l A l A right hand together, but then your voice,
your tone, all other I was like, oh this ship
is this is this is different. This stood out and
you know, my mind framing that time, you know, doing
underground radio, doing all other stuff, it was like it
was dope. I was like, this is cool. And then
that's how you know, I got tracked to come in
and but I heard about y'all like do the vibe

(46:11):
on the underground like stretch. Okay, you know what I'm saying, Stretched,
fat man, big big part of my career, the fact
fact of so a lot of people. So it was like,

(46:31):
you know, y'all was bumbling up. It was a lot
of people with just like stretched, you know, and then
you know, tragic and then like the article on this
other stuff. Now, when I say an article in the magazine,
remind you this is before social media right now. It
was the social you had to you know, physical cop
It was like twelve lines. It was like at the time,
right by the way, let me just be clear. At

(46:55):
the time NAS came out, change the trajectory of how
quick is hip hop is supposed to sound? How's Queen's
hip hop? You know, we was just coming through this
detriment to disaster from a guy in CARSS one took amout.
The bridge is over, the NAS comes and we store
us our whole, you know, prod. Then this other group

(47:18):
comes out mob deep and there's no other group to
compare us to. So I remember the first three articles. Yeah,
we were small deep looks we were small deep regents
were exactly remember the exact remember mother, I'm saying it

(47:40):
was quasi mob deep. I don't even know what I'm like,
like like like a south of deep, like a that
was before they knew where we are. We you were affiliated,

(48:01):
like like this is how it was, this is how,
this is how it works. People need something to compare
something to, they need a gauge and that that At
that time, I didn't. It just offended me because I'm like, no,
we're not piece to have it. That's my brother. I

(48:21):
love him, love mother, I love his mother, Rest in peace,
Killer Black. I love this whole family. I love his sister.
That's my little brother. You know what I'm saying, but
evolveing me because we're going so hard and kind of
like how you felt about Queen's bench and left frack.
I don't want to be. You gotta understand, I'm the
big brother. I don't want to be is my little brother.

(48:43):
I don't want me and minds to be associated in
that way like we're trying to bite off of his nation.
And when you're struggling and you're trying to get to
a point and you know in yourself what it is
and what you have, it could be offensive. But now
that we oh do we don't understand that. Motherfucker's just
didn't know how to place it or he just didn't
understand it. Sometimes like that, you have situations where people

(49:05):
bring a particular you know, sound to someone and they
just don't even know what to do with it, and
they'll dead you, but you think they're dead, and you
they just push you on to go somewhere else where
you're supposed to be. Yeah, it'd be Craig. So when
they wrote that was like, oh, ship the fun because
you know, we're back in the hood. And then you
know when he's looking at and he's tried, like you know,
and he's trying to be like sunning them. But I

(49:28):
know what I'm listening to way different or give me wrong,
p and halves nice, but this is way different. It's
coming from a different place sonically, physically, it's coming from
the same place halfway sonically, is coming from a different
place in a different a certain kind of sincerity. The
best thing for us is that me and his brother

(49:50):
sounded totally different and complimented each of course, if we
sounded the same, it would have been like yeah, because
you know, even though Pier has sounds a little different.
They still sound the same, Still get the same, Kat,
You're still get to say, Man, this fulk is like
totally the tone him and peace tone is the rhythm.
You know what I'm saying. They're tone the same, but

(50:12):
he's stereo. So y'all, ship is like this the stereo,
you know what I'm saying. When we didn't have familar,
that's what I ain't feeling that. That's what I ain't finished.
That's what I ain't I was going to tell me. God,
I'm telling you you said, but I wanted to do that.
This sorry shot earlier, You shoot my later. Um, when

(50:43):
we're in the studio, we had power play, which is
now called in your ear action. Remember asked Pirou the
parole question them? Um, they took over power play from
Patrick and them. You remember Patrick and them power play
from back in the days where they did uh Finding's Cherry,
where they did pay them full, where they did strictly business. Listen.

(51:05):
All of the some of the greatest hip hop landmark
of albums, staples of albums came out of the studio
which I used to go to when I was young
and delivered things from a Man and Dirty Red in
my projects to Patrick to the owner. I never thought
so I never was. I was like a ten of Levin,

(51:25):
but when I was going there was like, oh ship,
I wanted to be in there, but never thought that.
I'm being there with my brother's later on myself. So
we're doing illegal life and acts comes out and he's like, yo,
the man, it's ill. She mean, he was like he
rhymes and starrio. So I'm like, oh shit, I kind

(51:48):
of didn't hear that ship that the whole term and
so long, like I forgot what that mint. I'm like,
that's why. Then they get just sham funny but ill,
like you know what I'm saying. It's like he's almost
he gotta walk told him almost like I can't explain,
you know what I mean. So I'm listening to this thing. Now,
I'm listening to him like, oh that's all, and the
ship is off. He rhymes, He rhymes off. If anybody

(52:11):
I could compare to, like rhythmically, it would kind of
be like p a little bit in that sense. Pe
rhymes off, but you wouldn't match it because of the tones.
They got to. His mom told he's the stereo. You
understand the signs. Good looking man yea. Let me just
say how I kind of remembered that. I kind of

(52:32):
remember that this is how, And you tell me if
if I'm wrong, and I could be, I could be
like a little bit wrong, but I know I noticed
this fact. I think you describe poems like yo, it
is like the Games, the Burden, the Knobs. Then Homeboys. Yeah,
I did say that a Homeboys and your man in
stereo did happen as you said stereo? You're telling truth?

(52:56):
You said stereo? And he was like, because I was
walking to the back, I think I was what did
they call us at air hustling? Yeah, and we was
in the hallway parts like little Stu. That's a fact
that a little like he was wanting about you, you're
gonna do that. That's the shot. You can block the
ding out. You know what I'm saying. You're figuring that.

(53:18):
That's a fact. But now moving on, Now, moving on,
we have this demo. Now when you stepped to them,
you have a demo already. Yo, I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna lie. I got the l A late demoment
was yeah, because I don't remember. Isn't that what scored

(53:40):
white pass? You guys pressed up. That's the post had it,
that's game. Yeah's rest and his mother palms up to
S's moms passion. We actually soon as I get back, Yeah,
resting stress. Stretch actually went to his family. Is I know,

(54:02):
but this is not the country. This is before the
stretch Um and Banto's family factor came in because I
didn't tell y'all because the family do so so so
um I gave. I didn't tell y'all at the time
because you know, at the time he was going around
and you don't want to tell. It's like having an

(54:22):
army and you're about to go to war, but I
lost a couple of battles on a faction, A piece
of the army lost a battle over here. You don't
want to keep telling mother's because they lose more rack.
You gotta motivate, you know what I'm saying. So it's
certain ships that would go there and shot out that
will be said that I wouldn't necessarily say because I

(54:42):
know I'm like yo in my mind. First of all,
I'm gonna take a person if I see something nobody's
gonna deny me, flex and tell you that nobody's gonna
deny me. Once I believe it. My ship is like this,
and I died for that ship. You know what I'm saying.
So it's like, yo, alright, cool, I don't want to
tell him that I brung it overhead, and you know what,

(55:06):
I want to but because I think that's interesting, interesting,
that's that's shoving. Because yeah, because yeah, like you can't
you can't throw that in the air. For some young dudes,

(55:28):
that's I mean, he's just coming off the street, you know,
and they may not be may not be able to
decipher that and break that down without making them discover
So any long story, long ago, that's when I started
looking at like he actually you asked and about having
a vision or whatever. Like I said, I ain't gonna
lie's gonna say you no Christmas gifts because a lot

(55:48):
of times what it was is I would go off
the feedback. So I might have brung it over here,
that motherfucker might have shot it down, But think I'll
bring over here. And they said, yo, you know what,
I don't even want to bring it over here. But
I see what you're doing here. Let's just give you
something to help you out balance the scales. I'm like,
I'm taking all this in it. But when I by

(56:09):
the time I got the Martin, you know, I didn't
bring a demo. Now I don't know why. I remember
because I started saying, you know, you know what, I
don't make this ship like I'm like, I'm pitching something.
People won't take it in necessarily. But if I'm making
like I'm hitting them with some exclusive ship, they'll take
more time to appreciate for what it is. And I

(56:30):
remember because I was like, Yo, this thing is like
stretching Barbica just now, not like that. But you know
what I'm saying, y'all to use the underground, right so,
and you know where I'm home at, you know what
I'm saying. So I was like, you know what, give
give certain he's hit him with just the fucking song, Like,
don't try to make no demo, because initially we try to.

(56:50):
We try to go and put um and do the
ship for Puffs mix tasks, right that was for the
Bad Boy, and that ship like had me like damn,
that ship was like very discouraging. I really wanted I
really wanted us to make that that fucking you know
that that that car right there for Yeah, he did,
but we didn't necessarily make it. You know what I'm saying,

(57:11):
do that. You know I can't another thing case some point,
another thing, put some ship, just be it gets greater later.
But you know what I'm saying on for for me
seeing that, seeing what what we was doing, seeing what

(57:34):
we had, I just wanted us to keep it not
so much orthodox so we didn't get shot down. So
dude like we went to the sauce and went to
different dudes, not straight away from me, because that old
co is side, that old coined side with around that
same time, because now we're going to give it. I
forgot who it was the end of that sauce. No, no,
that's fine to check him vibe who No, No, it

(58:00):
was a rare rich rich but he was the editor.
Now he wasn't the editor of music editor like he
was he was. He went on the world from eminem. Yeah,
rig morally. So you know at the time, all these

(58:21):
things is put a little moving put this ship. I'm
not looking at it how I would look at it now,
like like a commander and be like old you know,
old press is good press. I didn't look at it
like that. I'm too so personally connected to I'm like Yo,
these motherfucker's ship. So now when we get the Vibe ship,

(58:41):
that's that's what's crazy, because you know it was crazy.
We we it felt I felt in that article, in
that interview he was trying to like at least I was.
I was trying to prove something and I went too far.
You said that it was crazy, right, I went too far,
slimmy jin because go ahead and tell him. You know,

(59:04):
I was pulled shirt and shot out. Then then because
I wasn't looking at your listen, this ship could come back.
He picked up the gun and got about putting his nick.
I came in and tell the truth. It was say
takes but the artist, wo happened? Two Dud was in

(59:28):
the room. Three D in the room, so I was,
I was in the fucking room. Yeah, I was like
my three He has a green others so in the
prophets wasazing to me green cop and he had a Microway,
ain't dry, everyone want dry? I love this guy's rich.

(59:50):
You know what I said. I didn't want I looked.
It was like nine eleven to breathe everywhere. Mind you,
we gotta act like we do this ship ply funny
basically for the room okay, there it wasn't there all

(01:00:12):
the same gun, Let's just be clear, it's why you accident.
I just let be gun. I don't know about this ship.
You know about this? You're right boy? Still because stars

(01:00:34):
should do our documentary. He needs to know it. Yes,
he needs to go the flowers stops shouldn't do. I
just don't understand why you didn't say he was in
the crib and the dumb separate yourself. I'm spared he
probably visiting. Don't let him do it today? We all okay,

(01:01:05):
they can't hold hold on, hold on because there's another thing.
Why it to aplicating into penalty. That was a big campaign.
A part of our thing was people kept calling me
because like I just seen on the train station. Man,
I've gett that ship down and I'm just like what
And I'm to about four weeks because you know, obviously

(01:01:25):
back then we didn't have to we didn't have Instagram,
so people were calling me or whatever I had, like,
I don't I don't think two ways of I would
call him. They're not fully telling me the story, so
let's it went on for weeks because they think it
ain't holding me down. They're like, yo, man, I've seen

(01:01:46):
that ship. I was like, what. Meanwhile, when draft was
doing was putting up a bone and no want tip
post and myself I was he was on supposed trying
to put you first. You gotta check. I'm just telling
you these if you still about the course. So what

(01:02:09):
I didn't know for weeks were there are a people
that was calling me. It was warning me if you
gotta realize they're speaking cold. That just saying, but I
want No one called me north at the time like
some people say, Um, you know, I saw and I heard,

(01:02:33):
so you know, when I concene it, I tore it down.
So I'm listening and I'm trying to like, what are
they but I can't. And then this one call and
it gets more decoded. Y'all saw it was only one
last I took it down. It wasn't till a week
later that I was actually got to see the post
of myself where I'm like, wait a minute, No one

(01:02:55):
told me about this promotion and then I found out,
but I don't know about it. But I didn't know
about this. We didn't know. I didn't know. First of all,
we had to put up our posters. I didn't know
that you know, omar agent to five, but Leave the
chic was actually the people that was out there. You know,

(01:03:16):
it's just putting it and it's gonna do it. So
by the way, but it came to me even though
I knew of it. I didn't. You don't understand what
it was. I didn't understand because of the cold cold
it was. It was a straight up saying y'all and
took it down. That arguably, I don't know how much
money that took, but that arguably it was a cheap

(01:03:39):
just as much. Boss, that's an camp. Let me say
how much. But you know what the next step was
that made it even ella After that was the who
the fund is components thinking it was okay, all right,
but but this is the origin. I don't want leave.

(01:04:01):
You came to us for a coast. I believe you.
You just yeah, I didn't, and then you just did it.
So I came to you and I said, listen, I'm
gonna do something. You know what it was, thank you?
But I should know what they were talking about, yeah,
because I just I was like, ye'a all gonna do
some one and sign. He was like, yeah, whatever, But
I was, I was I had the bro go to

(01:04:23):
the go to the library and duplicate this is a library.
We didn't have computers like that public library in the
way some of these guys over here when you said librries,
like what then is that duplicate an actual one of
FBI wanted post. Yeah, because I had I had to

(01:04:43):
get your photo. I told you how to get past.
But look, h picture it was the water poster. Yeah.
You know, so when he's choling out when he says,
dudes just talking and cold because they thought of wanting
posts were rare. Yeah, but I said, if you have

(01:05:04):
any information regarding these suspecs, it was hot always sort
of far. It was hot ninety seven and and then
simultaneously that's when we came with a Lane like right
after that, and it kind of worked together. Man kind

(01:05:25):
of worked out. Man kind of worked out. Yeah, and
and and if you think about it, l A l
A Tupac after it's a part of that record with
Tupac because it's part to us. He's like, whoever else
was one of y'all? Yeah, you kind of know that
offended me. Now, this stuff that he didn't just us,

(01:05:46):
you know, you know, ided me Wnna be honest with you.
I never take my glasses. I don't want anybody to
really really listen. I'm fifty fifty with that, fifty fifty
with me, says I wanted Park to this us. Yeah, ye,
persis like I don't know if I would have been
able to take it. Yeah, Like I don't know, Like

(01:06:06):
I don't know back then, like like right now, like
I know how to respond because now I know how
to funk with my Instagram. Yeah, I understanding that, you
know what, I canna understand that too. That's what I
tell you that if the all the way Greenberry, I
was like I even told you as recently like not
jumping off but everything Coin signs playing like Yo, man,

(01:06:28):
I'm proud of you. I mean that I'm saying, I'm
proud of both of you. But I'm proud of you
because I understand what this ship takes in a sense
like coming from that that the fabric we come from,
and not taking a certain ship personal because I would
get comments in my hand start swaying because because I
don't know where I come from, you don't know you're
throwing Frank sin ship on my ship. Like I know

(01:06:50):
what I'm saying at the time because because I don't
understand how to how to how to take that in
you know what I'm saying. These dudes just ensuing say
crazy ship, and I'm like the fun But now I
thought high because you don't know about the block button.

(01:07:14):
It's amazing. Oh yeah, hell yeah, but you gotta get it,
No freaking gotta get a hit block because then you
don't know what the black with the blood he say. Okay, Mail,
I heard you say that earlier. Who the fun? The

(01:07:34):
component Noriega stickers. You guys had windoms up those clickers
as well. Oh no, this just came along after the
music came after the music. Okay, and the music is
pretty earlier undertaking a single. Yeah, first Dames on the
single and we just blooded this ship every fun everything'll
see it today. I still westside of you gotta be

(01:07:57):
a dirty cremace clicker. You might. I've seen a few plas.
What's the single? What's the single that you're saying? Is
it l a late life legal stick you stick you? Yes,
it was stick had the ready great sticker stick you got.

(01:08:19):
They was hitting us after label told they're gonna do something.
That's what we're going to that was the craziest thing
of the record was round, Like we really wanted to stick.
We're not right, but we definitely it wasn't It was definitely. Man,

(01:08:46):
I was just sucking stick you with the red and
silver sticking. That's fact. That's a factual. I think we
did like a half a million just in New York.
That makes a drink many because um, you know, Neil,

(01:09:07):
I'm gonna tell you something. The whole time being on Penalty,
the success that Penalty had, I never knew it was
an independently that it was a major felt yeah things

(01:09:30):
where Yeah, that's the fact. I can test that, that's
a fact. I mean, that's why I was, you know,
so louting you earlier, because that's what I was trying
to establish, was you know, And that's with no disrespect
to anybody else that was on Penalty prior to us.
I think, um to pick up the law Finesse was

(01:09:50):
also I also invited here and also was on the
Worry for the album. I mean, but wow, but I
didn't know any like what what alreadywhere at that time,
and that at this time, although Mark Deep was a
very underground based group, they was coming back with hardware
you know they was coming back with that, you know

(01:10:12):
what I mean? So what what what? What was it
trying to depend again, like just to just to kind
of like circulate around it again. It's like and I
gotta you know, we all go through our things, but
I gotta I gotta say thank you for giving me
a chance. Man, Well, I you go through things, thank

(01:10:34):
you to give me a chance. I'm tlings tucking my stomach,
but you know, I'm you know what I'm saying because
when you look back, like you said something deep, man,
sometime you get off and I'm saying free. So you
said you don't realize that you have to lose it. Yeah,
So when I looked at now, I'm like, damn, yo,

(01:10:54):
I would do anything. Had that right now, you don't
have people and take chances anymore. It's phone your lady,
the music and phone your lady. He took a chance
for somebody. Well appreciate the analytics. And it's it's so
different again, you know, for for for us, he didn't
even have a demo. It's like, wow, you know, who

(01:11:14):
does that? Like who does that? Hold? He just says
something so crazy right now, every just said he didn't
even have a demo. I don't know, he said, Now,
analytics numbers, it's not a and R. It's research. But
you know what, as we say that, you know what,

(01:11:34):
it's so deeper though, as when we say that, we
gotta look at us, and he gets you can't just look.
That's why ship is not being broken. That's why I
gotta say this, Anther cut you. That's why ship is
not changings. Drink up too, because it's not for me.
Everybody's going over a good time. And they say math

(01:11:55):
don't lie. But the gut no saying that the soul
is gone, the oland is gone to fucking you know,
the instincts like survival. It's instincts, you know what I'm saying.
It's innate, it's natural. The naturality of the ship is
being lost because it's all about analytics. Analytics constitutes dollars

(01:12:15):
which we gotta make. But you made money just off
your instincts. I think that makes you greater later, know
what I'm saying, anything count, but that's real ship. But
remember Matt does a lot. Because it's proven that they
paying for that. Math paid for that for It's not math,
you know what I'm saying, Paying for number, numbers for numbers. Yeah,

(01:12:38):
but it's not actually math can for numbers alternate side,
it's altering, altering pay to getting to change. Imagine how
much how many creative or how many artists were losing
because no one's taking a chance on the gut field
on what they hear. We're just going off of these

(01:12:58):
numbers that are bought and so. And that's what I said,
Let's keep it because dudes like, YO, this money. I
was like, Yo, but these dude believe in the ship.
Who's gonna put out tea on WI is the first single?
You can't tell me. I don't killing nobody say I
know the ship. You can't tell me. Another lady at
that time put a single when they wanted that. I
was like, Yo, these motherfucker's understand because because I was like,

(01:13:21):
that's the one. To that point, we were on a
different wavelengths. Like you know this guy Nil when he
you know, plucked me out of college to work out
round the globe. He was like, you know, I'm here
from New York. But he he was like promoting like

(01:13:41):
ice Cube, promoting like shipped from the Dirty South, like
before it was popular in New York. My my ears
were like tuning into what was happening in New York.
But he was promoting records from all over this you
know what I'm saying. I mean, it's the first time

(01:14:02):
I heard about getting different wavelength in terms of just
just just finding like like you said, zoning into like
the gut and zoning it into that and not not
the math and magic. He did have math, Mark, you
have only this budget to sign and an album. That's
why a lot of ship didn't get signed. One thing
I'll tell you that you make it makes sense, it

(01:14:23):
make money, You'll find it, You'll find And I had
to learn that later on. But you know, because of
the war report to tell you the truth, and I
say this, um um, I was telling Diego earlier or
or Diego broke it up and I was sitting there.
I was like, yo, to this day, you know, I

(01:14:43):
knew how, I knew how I knew how to not
play with the budget because of what trash tragic And
then like listen, I dude, like what are y'all doing?
Like I'm saying that, And and Mark, you know because
later on in Good Life and and Neil, I would
never play with the studio because of the war report.
So it was such a so so so must magical

(01:15:04):
session was what was your favorite session? You know, being
a part of a witnessing one of my favorite. You know, man,
you're going to pack. You can't. You can't do it,
to be honest, you can't even you can't even really

(01:15:25):
like the sessions was so crazy. It's all the hallway action,
like you know what I'm saying, like, and and then
on top of that, I wasn't really like official staff,
so it was like you don't want to overstep or whatever,
but you know, like just seeing your guys and just
doing it, and you know, of course being part of
the you know when we did the reunion and n
R E and all of that ship right yo yo,

(01:15:50):
I was gonna say parself. I was gonna say that
because you want the hallway action was crazy. That's why
when he asked you, I just don't thought. I was like, oh, ship,
remember it was a session. Is that unique forty seven
street stop? That such ship forty seven seven or one

(01:16:10):
forty forty seventh Street and Broadway seventh frogs seven frogs,
so barrels over some barrels. Tony Rome was across the street.
So we upend up. I didn't know that white some creem.
Did you creep over there and get a rap beef
rim to the coast? Slow? No, I was gonna me

(01:16:31):
your buzzet was pluck you and fucking get to out.
They was checking it from town cars. I'm tying the
real I remember coming in. You showed me to stay well,

(01:16:51):
keep out. I was gonna budget. Now, let's keep it Greensbury.
Let's keep it Greenberry. Now. I woke into Nelson trying
I gonna talk to you. Don't talk to me like that.
They don't know what did you don't talk to me
like that? He said, you're trying to got the chunk.
John's on the office and the office and I was like,

(01:17:12):
you know what, what is this? What I'm only talking about, yo?
The budget for the car? Getting getting serious, I said, yo, man,
And then he showed me. I think it had like
a had like an addressing ship like where at the
time he stopped the correct don't even a house. You're

(01:17:36):
taking this car and go for your man, and this
it wasn't really well this door. It was like crazy
for that ship cause only two hours he went there.
I went to connect to McDonald's over the trying. I said, amazing,

(01:17:57):
talk to Morton about it. You were talking at the time.
So I'm like, yo, chicken wing budget house. So that's
kind of like when he was like, yo, bringing brother.
She has a lot of alue shit. I'm like, my fun,
you didn't bringing things to the show case ten sax

(01:18:19):
chicken wings chicken. Yeah. So okay, boom, now we we
was it from Flex because I know you said you
didn't discover something funk Flex, but we did a classic
monument to funk flex freestyle and then that's kind of

(01:18:41):
what set it off right before too. I think that's
when we did it deal and m M, I remember this.
I ain't gonna lie. That seems kind of I don't
remember Jaggie that around, like because I remember going to
see Flex. You know what a big he was there
that there. No, this is later, this is later, okay,
and this is a little later because I remember just

(01:19:04):
even get him to getting him to like even Flex
was fronting on us listen to the record and he
says it to this day, you don't like So I
remember him fronting on the record and I'm like, oh, bro, like,
who is doing like you can't do this. You have
to a lot of things. He is not a lie,
and he seems like when I've seen the research that

(01:19:26):
when I'm telling you telling me all the time. So
I'm like, yo, bro, you can't. You can't like fronting
this record right here because one you didn't never listen
to it. Because I can tell you you don't have
nothing to say about it. You know how somebody who
gives somebody something. But you want me to defending flex
without defending let me let me get because because this
is because in essence, I'm really complimenting it when I

(01:19:48):
when I get through it, because you know, you give
somebody something and normally if they funked with it, they're
gonna tell you why they're not gonna funk with it.
He didn't do that, just like yo, because so am
I like, oh, you ain't even listen to the ship.
But I was like all right, cool. I was like, alright, cool,
I see how I gotta do this. Dude. I'm gonna

(01:20:09):
just be in his face every time you look up.
I'm not gonna say nothing to him. I'm not gonna
ask him to play it again. Every he's gonna know
when he looks at me why I'm here, and we
just walk away, you know what I'm saying. So I
would go anywhere he was at. I win, can't break out.
I pop up at the tunnel sometimes if I have

(01:20:30):
no money, we keep it greenberry. But I got just
enough to get a bottle. And if you win the tonnel,
the floor was like in Boof was up there, and
I'd go like this, so he can't. He can't not
look at me because he's like this now reflects me
here and they don't drink, but take your yeah, and
I want you to take it bottle and I break out.

(01:20:53):
Kept doing that for dumb low and then we went
up too hot Lady Cheven. Now this is when we
go to Hani Chevon and he's like yo, y'all off
to the side a little bit. And obviously I can
tell he didn't really know us, because even me before
saying because he was like, yoh man, I don't really
feel it. But you know what, That's why I say.
He's official in his way and he's a leo like me,

(01:21:14):
so he got to be calling it. You know what
I'm saying, so factual you already know. So I was
like something came to me like, there's a lot of
magic in this album. Man, it's just just ship to me.
When he said that, something came to my mind that
happened that I happened to be in the room when
they bring him the wood chain record. I remember what

(01:21:36):
he said. He was like, Yo, that's gonna never go nowhere.
Well so now I'm like, he's like, yeah, I said, Yo,
you said wood change weren't going to where he was stuck.
That's how you he said. But that's you're for the brows.

(01:22:00):
I couldn't saying now Flix gave it to him any
any any fucking that's when we went up there, and
we went up there. Big was there? No? Big was
that was that? That wasn't that time? Anyway, he plays
the record, I aven fun. He plays the record, and
after he played the record, he it wasn't It wasn't

(01:22:24):
till wide though. It wasn't nilling what you know what
it was. I wasn't even note that fun see that
this time is shaky. I remember my ship at that
a time of shaky because a lot was going on,
a lot was there was a lot of stretch in
the air. Because Phil woke with me, because I was
about to go. I was about to go earlier on

(01:22:48):
Uh it was paradox and that's why. That's why Martin
convinced me. It's like, yo, you gotta put that on
them or album. I didn't want to do it because
I didn't want you take away from my manch I
didn't want to take it that record. I didn't want
to take away from my mask me every day to

(01:23:08):
put that. And I was like, now because in my mind,
I didn't want people I'm not trying to at the time,
you want to overshadow him. Because I was like, no,
I don't want to problem. I gotta stop before a
little bit because Doug Paradise was still after to or what.
It was still a telling why before whatever the drying was,

(01:23:31):
because you know what I wanta tell you? Why don't
combredation was before because him get it definitely before the
album because they forced me to get that third verse
when I felt like, yeah, I remember that. I felt like,
Doug Paradise is perfect with just your poem, and it
was like, you know, to make it a component Mariaga record,
I would have to get on that recordly right, because
he was already like flex already into it. I gave

(01:23:52):
him the DJ. It was like it had that old
school that short day, so like that I gotta be
you know, it was it, But what it was, I'll
tell you what it was. We were still working on
the album. We did tell on why it wasn't in
that form way. We was even raid to choose this.

(01:24:14):
Suld added later too, Yeah, because because in my mind
till on what came out first. I remember that I
too came out. It wasn't before we did it was right,
you got no, that's right. I remember that I came

(01:24:36):
out when I was in YAP. That's right. I was
getting sick as remember I used to Right, we shot
the video, but we did the same I was going
away like a week in a week were going away,
That's right. We did try the way that that weekend
before we shot the video, and I want to say
thank you for crash hit cars still making it away

(01:24:58):
was definitely after but yeah, because we didn't. I kicked.
I kicked the judge in the face. The judge in
the face. Oh yeah, yeah, we have switched actor. But
I told you, but I'm told him. I was like,
I'm kind of big and ship. I don't think I
should jump and run with the boots on and I'm
just gonna stop on his glass top test. I didn't

(01:25:20):
say that. I didn't say that. He was like, now
he'll be fine. I'm running down the aisle like this,
you know, in the court it goes like this, I'm
jumping on the test, but I'm supposed to fake to
kick kick split this whole ship up. She was crazy.
But but I remember stunt perrumps. Yeah, I don't remember

(01:25:40):
because I didn't getting shot for that, so probably I
was probably like that record. It was all like that
record that's crazy because it was that's like the moving parts,
you know what I'm saying, Like those are all remember
in the beginning, when you do something that you don't
want to do, if it feels crazy, like like I was,
what did I have? Yeah? And I was telling him, oh, no,

(01:26:02):
was the record that I didn't like. I wasn't pushing
he sad head, It was ain't right, Okay, okay, okay,
do you know what I like? You know, you put
it like I always playing it to him. How sometimes
you can make a record, put a budget behind it,
and then you could not like the process of not

(01:26:24):
like it. And that was pretty much what Doug Paroday
Stiff and me. It wasn't like I made the record
or have anything to do with the record. But once
in the backup came out, I kind of was like, yo,
let them shine, like you know what I mean, Like
it's cool. And then um, when the when the label
was forcing me to because it was crazy because here
in small labels forced you to do things I wouldn't

(01:26:48):
say make sense to me. They said, you listen, this
is a component. Yeah, you know what I mean. So, um,
and I did it. It was which is crazy if
you were you remember that verse that I used on
the Paradise was the verse that I used on the
original I'm leaving. This is original I'm leaving. It's the

(01:27:12):
same exact because I came in and they were like
that's that's no, and I was like really another, alright, cool,
So when they though Paradise, I used the same exact verse,
and you know, eventually, um, I was wrong. Paradise worked
unique studios right easy, LP Boom going to Trash just disappeared.

(01:27:36):
We don't know where they were at. Were stapped that earlier.
We can't that y'all be disappearing Like I'm mic and
the halfs are doing a little crazy days. Don't be blinding,
don't be blocking. I'm speaking to you in the phone.
You like, yoh, okay, you remember, like I'm in this

(01:28:01):
this green E s three hunting, so I'll come over.
I'm like, Who's whip is this? Because I know it's
not your with like this is nausious with I'm like,
I'm a nastis with what's going on? And you pushed
play on a cassette and it's I'm leaving when you
just came back from messing with Dre. I promise you.
I said things about it like okay, let me let me,

(01:28:21):
let me describe to this is this is exactly what happened.
Oh I was at my mother's house and my mother
played this record. Oh don't let it go to your
head now using no no, not at the time what
they before? You never know they use that record before

(01:28:43):
the time you're talking about when when you made I'm
leaving brand Newbian's already made it and trust me, trash
this me is waiting more than meat me on this one.
I made it first. What don't coach? I know that's yeah,
I made that early. Would that beat call? I'm leaving,
I would call easy LP. Trust me, this was my

(01:29:04):
first time producing the record. I'm not wrong with this
fun you used that, and you use that beat me out.
Different part of this is mine. Yeah, stop that, man,

(01:29:25):
you talking about what was happening. Okay, So I couldn't
get you all. You couldn't get get Jo. I heard
it do dom Doom to Doom, to Doom, easy LP,
easy LP. So I know exactly because that's all I
knew was Dom do doom and easy For some reason

(01:29:50):
exactly that you said, uh Sam mask, I think you're
saying that because it was right around the corner from
right track. So that's where me and y'allp we went.
We did it. The record came on and for some
reason I did, I'm leaving on the next thing. I

(01:30:12):
don't know, man, I don't be back again. Yeah, pray
for me. I'm damn man, I tell for me. And
I mean I thought I killed it. I killed this
ship walking and he was like, yo, that's y'all. I
just walked through too. I was laterly he was like
that ship whack I did not right? You know what?

(01:30:41):
Did not say? It was back? Don't don't lie. You
know what you know what, I'm wrong for putting it
that harshy. You definitely said something more, but she took it.
You took it that I heard that is whack. That's
what I heard. You didn't hear what you wanted to hear.
That's what he didn't hear when he wanted to hear it.
So I was like, damn, oh, listen, hold on, capone,
ain't packed me up. So I was like this just me.

(01:31:06):
It was hard, and then trying to say, like you
what you just see? You just see it was good.
I said, I like the record, butts just so, I'm like, man,
I noticed records. I noticed records something, bro, I know

(01:31:26):
this is some poem. You're gonna get a castro. This
is actually if you wouldn't have said you didn't like
that record, they were me you know that, So thank
you for not like it. I'm being I'm being funny.
Let me just finished. I bet I'm being funny. I

(01:31:48):
am being funny. Don't take it like that. But what
happened was this was my first time because I started
to understand that pop Daddy doesn't really produce. Pup Daddy
takes something that he thinks it's dope. Brings it to
someone at someone helps create his vision for it. I
wasn't say that. I was trying to do what you
compared to You said, we sample like Havoc and not

(01:32:10):
like puff Daddy, and you let me just tell you
something for the moment. Definitely right, No, but you know
what I did say that, and like I said, I'm
not always fucking right. I can take one of two
or three four, but but I don't even know I
was just right. I like that. I like my hundreds
just right. So I like I said, fucking I said
fucking just just a friend was whack. I was a

(01:32:33):
bad call. That was a bad I those words, those words.
I'm not always right. I'm accountable for my ship. I
ain't gonna throw the rocket high in my hand. But
you would have made n O R E regardless because
it was guesting for you to make it. Yes, take you.
I appreciate that, respect that as well. But what I'm
trying to tell you was that was the motivation was

(01:32:54):
because I sat there and I was like, yeah, this
is a record. I felt fitted I was ready for
Neptunes almost before the Neptune's because I was sitting back
like Martin Oh, I think, I think, I think what
that was is like this how just how I take

(01:33:15):
is my my my perspectives, we need it. You was
like and because you said it to it, that's why
I'll admit it. You say, Yo, that was when it's
your first time ventuming out side of influence and you
see your independence as a mean, it's a great feeling
and you gotta get that because and I understand that
you just said it. So that was You're going, oh,

(01:33:36):
ship on boom boom, I'm putting this whole ship the
yellow And I get that now. At the time, I
ain't get that. I'm just hearing what the original vision was.
So that's in my head, you know what I'm saying,
and that's what got us at that point. But division
evolves and that's just fucking life. But you know, you

(01:33:57):
know I was grateful for because you know, the next
session just like that identical was bloody money was um
unique studios. I'm sorr because I don't know, I feel
like I keep blowing y'all luck, but y'all when your

(01:34:17):
blowing me, y'all was doing. But just make sure you
telling you, yeah, you know the school yourself from your
true y'all was late crazy, he was sky talk man.

(01:34:38):
He was never late. Yeah, never sticky. That's this is.
Let me be late man. Now, this guy you get
for show the phone, don't tell me truth, don't. I'm

(01:35:06):
gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest to tell you
the truth I know to tell you, to tell you,
I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest with y'all
to tell y'all was more experience than me in the studio.
So I can't say y'all took it for granted or
something like that. But y'all kind of game there when
y'all wanted to, when y'all wanted to, when I was
when y'all said I would be there at five. I

(01:35:29):
don't need that at four or forty five and be
scared to say I was there, Earl, bro, I can't
come here and you talk to come here. I can
come there at six o'clock. I'm gonna call you and
like y you at the studio studios at four. I
don't need to be that form. I need to be
there before closing to make sure it's good. I don't
need to be there for I gave you to make tools. Well,

(01:35:49):
I gotta be there for you. Rushed to be like
you're okay, okay, straight that, but don't do like you was.
You know what I'm saying. I'm with y'all, what dolf.

(01:36:09):
What I'm trying to tell you is a lot of
the solo records, Let's just be clear, a lot of
the solo records that were made on the album from me,
it was because I was just sitting there, boy listening. No,
it wasn't because you're seen that boy sitting there, because
you was from me. I'm making seem like he was
action I'm talking to exactly this board is he was. Boy?

(01:36:33):
You know what I listen? You were with the one
about to go to jail. Yes, yes, very true. You
went to Jersey and now you're about to go to
a real prison. You aren't the one about to go.
This man to tell you we we both was like
your son, you gotta make records and I'm gonna keep you.
I wasn't late even before he was going to jail
to come. Is the even guy here? I don't talking wine,

(01:37:02):
Come on, wine, I ain't killed Lake with black. Don't
go ron, No, don't know what it's not Norm's a
beast like he's a hard worker. Right, so he's like
you never said after you, So I think you said
you're just like no, no, no no, I can take
a couple man and Crimina. I'm saying it's the same thing. Bro.

(01:37:24):
Hold on one second, mom, keeping green mind. She think
you ain't shot up that receion on time, brocause you
called me a couple of times with it. You just
say that exclude don't stop it, don't do that, stop that,

(01:37:45):
don't come on serious, that serious dominant finger. I to
save my tokens. If I just saved my tokens. Now
your seven Street, you know why I love to go

(01:38:05):
to Manhattan at that? Oh my god, y LL need
to rewrite them. Buy you with me? Got me? I
can't be with that rable mans you know super Shakespeare
in slie version, y'all are you? But that's so funny.

(01:38:34):
That's what was my side of the Oh my god,
everyone have the old side of the check. But that
where I was to know back then? You know that
you know what the fucking MoMA che side she right? Now?
Technology level the playing field with everything, right. I wish
I wouldn't recorded every game be it the start difference,

(01:38:58):
Oh my god, make itself look amazing. It's almost as
if he thinks, somebody before the ship comes in the table,
I'm scary. Man's scary. It looks like he said, I
have studio. Wait where you guys know. I'm gonna be honest.

(01:39:19):
I was really bu I really really, I was really glassed.
You know what it was not Listen, listen, Let's just
be clear. It wasn't. I don't know. No matter how
much I say this, it doesn't mean if it if
it comes off in a crazy way. But Wayne's bridge

(01:39:40):
was privileged, had bro nobody, nobody. Let me tell you
something I have the same day, he said, the same day,
not a more report episode. Listen, this is the same
not because now the this real brothers coming to I mean,

(01:40:02):
it's not a scripted politically correction. It's the same man.
It's how we get him in the ship. Listen, go
back a few episodes. The same man says, you know,
but Queen's reasoning his hate each oller. So when you
say we had this and that you call you. You
obviously said in previous I love how you put oranges
and apples together. It's not gonna work, though, though. Let
me just tell listen, it's just nose right used to

(01:40:26):
go to quez Queens because artists used to see Maddie
see on the hill with other neighborhood you want to
see Maddie see the guy who signed fucking Baggy Smalls
and Marthy hanging out in the most drug infested corn
all right America. Because because because this is the time

(01:40:49):
for Queens was now west, the artist wasn't necessarily being unified.
This is why a lot was going on because if
I went that though, yeah, but but but that's the
reality of it, you know what I'm saying, Like I
was surprised. I'm gonna say, there's a lot of things
happen because they were meant to happen because it was

(01:41:09):
so much backstory ship going on that people don't know
about that. And there's certain things I'm not gonna get
deeply into because of my technity level and what I am.
Like I'm I'm you know, I'm a journalist as well,
but I'm not gonna go too deep in certain things
because we're friends, were family. But it was a lot
of behind the scenes ship going on that people didn't realize.

(01:41:31):
And to me, if that weren't there. Things could have
went different directions. They obviously went when it was supposed
to beat, but there was a lot of work because
you know, I'm looking at we're looking at working with
have but if I was ship going on with other
people in his camp with my people, so to speak,

(01:41:51):
and no, Like that's why I gotta say, you know,
I gotta thank nas, thank you Bro. I gotta thank
I gotta thank nwas for getting on calm down, all
these things are moving punsh I gotta think having because
even with a lot of back ship, that ship going on,
brother hold on as far as brother, as far as

(01:42:13):
us what he's kind of like, you know, his entourage
trying to speak, Yo, the bro still came through for me.
We asked them to guess And when you look at
that in retrospect compared to now, that's an amazing thing
for this is to happen, It's amazing. Don't forget that, bro,
because she could have gone. It could be a lot

(01:42:34):
of alternate realities and in his front from people. Don't
forget that, like that ship was were apartment. You know
what I'm saying, Like she could have That's like how
many times they have like the universe just came together. Now,
not to get too deep, but its reality, like all
of these things going on that y'all don't even know about.
But they're still showing up. Got got feelings to its

(01:42:54):
each other for deep ship, we're still showing up. That's
deep to me. That's beautiful because you got it's amazing,
right unless you behind the mask here? That was she
right and the preference I thought that was we're all wrong.

(01:43:14):
She she kind of came up with that whole cursion.
I don't remember that story here, who's the trader? I'll
go all that, yeah, revealing, revealing right saying it's a

(01:43:36):
beautiful soul right here because because yeah, all right, So
by the way, this is this is what this is.
This is what a lot of people don't know. One
we bagged Queen's bars niggas not to come into the
left right niggas picture. This is the one thing that
us in both pictures this twenty is little secret. Uh

(01:44:09):
you know know was in the VOCs is no brother
So that was a joke. The trader park that no room,
the trader part. He pulls the trader, you know, I
know what I'm saying. He's like you know what I'm saying.

(01:44:32):
Let's try. We took the picture. We said, everybody from
Q say, you stay on your QB side. Everybody from
left back may surely you stay on the left back side.
There's one person this whole thing that is in both
I'm so glad no one knew this ship. I thought
this was I was one of the you know I was.

(01:44:52):
I went to the art director, you know I was.
He say, vacation right there, a little no one else,
but you don't know what it is. Bottom g it's
your cousin, sir Bottom. Yes, yes, good, name's Wally. See Wally,

(01:45:21):
I'm creamy right in the middle. And then Wally all right,
keep me all right? So traded. Yes, it starts from there,
starts the story. Yeah, it starts from their things. He's

(01:45:46):
the origin story. Let's go. So, what's the arch diirectic name?
He went on, Eric, Eric, It's Erica the architect. The
polls the more import um. He's very easy, he's don't
doing the stage, very good, very successful. It's really successful.

(01:46:07):
And by the way, he kept working with us just
because of this. He was just like, yeah, I'm blown
up and way beyond this down and will be y'all
messing with y'all. But I'm gonna still sunk with y'all
because Eric. Eric. So what happened was after I came

(01:46:29):
to him and he showed me, he showed the picture,
someone from my hood took the stand. Oh, I don't
know if he took the stand on the word is
he snitched on that. I look at the inside of
my album cover. I'm like, wow, yeah, I can't do this.

(01:46:55):
He should? We should? Wow? Eric? Was this mean what Wally?
He goes? Wally was in both pictures that we got
bigger problems we eventually forgotten, but he said so we
we We was obviously it's just my fault. It was

(01:47:16):
give me, it's my problem. So they probably didn't reach
you all at all. And he hit me and said,
why don't we sellow him out? And I was like,
sell a wet him out? And I was like, what
does that mean? Like the like when they do the
girls girls. He's like, yes, like that and I was
like a cool And then he sent me our image
and it was like great at first. Then the next

(01:47:37):
image was black and then the next image he sent
it and he put snitch on it, and I was
like damn, because we don't really know if he snitched.
We know he gave up information, you know, but we
didn't know if he full fledg was dead. And then
they was like, all right, cool, So they said how
about Trader, and I was like, that's perfect, and we
went there and that was it. But we never actually

(01:47:58):
corrected the real cousin. It's not this is just me
and him is not right? You mean trying to call it?
What's it doing? Is going has going up? That's y'all.

(01:48:19):
I'm not it's never gonna right now. Crazy, we didn't know. Listen,
I'm gonna ask y'all this whole time, I'm thinking, I'm singing, y'all, actress,
I was no, you gonna remember remember no right you

(01:48:44):
winding cloud. He took this very girl d do it
wrong and it all starts and how that's how it
looks you just starting everybody right? No, no, you just
try was jous Crazy said it was the original question. Yea,

(01:49:08):
when he tradized. I didn't meet with him because of
the trade. I met with him because he said, I
got a problem. You gotta remember, he's in the middle
of the hood, left back and Queens Ridge. I remember
he brought the sand because there was no sand. So
we're in the middle of Quez which he's making sand
and Nicks isn't sitting around like a lot, So that's

(01:49:41):
what I'm saying. I'm not even sure if you got
to pick out the cn them pictures. I know you
guys to figure out promo pictures. I remember that. It's
one of my favorite memories. Me and You're sitting around
with a nicheck picking out us with a nail on.
We thought we was flying, that I was flying and
got the favor races. Definitely was that shouts? So did

(01:50:03):
you did you get to pick out the worried pork pictures?
What you mean? I got to see the prototyest, but
I didn't get the Actually, remember I was getting stickers
on notebooks. They don't tell me you traded you saw
that live or you knew that. I knew I was
physically there because you were when it was a metal system, right. Yeah,

(01:50:24):
I don't know me up with the wily ship, but
that's my man. By the way, I did the ron
artest because I know the riches. I know the origin
now being that, But I was getting all my promo
work or notebooks because you can't have stickers and jail.

(01:50:44):
It would send me a black and white notebook and
sent me proves to approve like you like this like this, Yeah,
so I had ten fifteen black and white notebooks and jail.
Actually my prototype. You know what's crazy about you is
um And I didn't realize this to the other day. Um,

(01:51:06):
like you were becoming a star, and as you became
a star, you were I was just I was just
saying that I'm talking a solo over school ball man
so Cayron and ship that year he actually coming to
but he was like he was like your son, like
besides slick Ring, which is which is because slick Ring

(01:51:28):
made it. Then he went to jail. Poet is like
probably the first one making it in there and came
home to the situation most dudes come home to a burnout.
The career is over. He matter of fact, he is
the first one. But when I describe with the burnout
is burnout is basically you're at your best, get locked

(01:51:50):
up and you come on when you find it out
because you can't keep up with the pipeline. You know
what I'm saying. So I call it you know what
I'm saying, so he's the first nobody. Nobody even looks
at that, he's the first one to do that because
I thought about Slick right too when when when Kyro
was talking to me solo, so going to me, I'm like,
n slick Rink ain't even really do that because slick
Rink was made all me. Who wasn't the seventy made

(01:52:14):
so that that to me, that was kind of all
like that makes it gives another interesting dynamic to his
career because nobody else did that before. But how did
you how did you feel? Like it's the crazy thing
though when the hour Dreil came that changed didn't changed
my whole life because it's started in jail. Like my success.

(01:52:35):
His success started in the street. My started in jail.
The CEO start treating me different, the negat start treating
there when bad. Both was you know like at the
end of the day, it's you know, same ship, but
you still felt the success in there. Yeah, because at
the end of it done this when I'm okay back

(01:52:58):
and for me as an end pay the label. So
so I didn't even know that that you had a case.
So like we were little job, we kept out one
two three. I'm sorry, he's gonna go away when you

(01:53:26):
help the process of instead take that chance. When he
was ready to get stay to take that chick here,
I know you wouldn't have that. It's like, we're gonna
take that chick. You girls going. You crashed your car
on the house. We got out in car and still
made it to my car, brand new Infinity at that time.

(01:53:54):
So how did you find out? Was he ejail? No,
he wasn't a jail. It was like a weekly he said,
so likeway everybody at least fried. But I didn't know
what was going on. So so finally, you know, you know,

(01:54:17):
he's being sentenced. So I was going to court. I'll
never get in this day. So I smashed my car,
got in a cab, made it to the courthouse, left
the car and left the car away. Show up. I
show up and there's this judge, his gray haired guy,

(01:54:37):
it's like really conservative guy, and um, you know, and
he's ready to be sentenced. And I said, excuse me,
uh you know, the attorney said, here's someone that wants
to DRUGA five money's levin. I'm a was the kidding.

(01:55:04):
He's part of the Capon area, A wrap room. I said, yes,
a matter of fact, you know they wrapped and um so,
so I pleaded to him, I said, you know, we're
finishing up the War Report album because we need to

(01:55:24):
we need to shoot a video. Was still finishing the
record and so so we gave us more time. Then
the judge got sick, so one week turned into what
like months months, like three months later, so we're able
to finish the bulk of the album where to shoot
the video. But it was just crazy. It's crazy, crazy time.

(01:55:49):
So see here we are twenty five years later talking
about this. It's a classic. I don't know. Hello, Look,
I want to run. The realist Hollywood would change everything
was when MTV came to jail to interview me when
he trapped n O r E. That changed my life

(01:56:10):
bro like like they didn't believe me, Like they didn't
believe until it was real, like when pop they knew pop.
So when MTV came to interview pocket was nothing big.
But imagine the nigga like me that got an underground
album that niggas is hearing niggas by the cassents, but
an EMTI motherfucker me come to the jail. I was

(01:56:31):
a year later, I was two pot a year and
a half later the niggative interview. The first time was
pop thinking to anybody. The second time was Jail Collins.
Jail was a max. He was a medium, not that ship.
Way different, way different. That's when Neil let me call

(01:56:54):
it thirty times a day and I could call right
right Jay man. You know, you know that you know
what it was like. You know that the Afro man.
You know. I ain't know that something that For some reason,

(01:57:15):
when I remember, I remember me first meeting Deferred do
you and my friend d boss And I can't remember
whether it was you who told me to go to
the Deferred and get the shirts or was it the
boss so told me to get the shirts and you
co signed and said, yo, that's the pretty good to go.

(01:57:36):
I thought it was the first. I thought it was
um the black and yellow four or four shirts, but
did not realize no, so it had to be after
components in jail. It was, it was, it was, it
was after, but it was like I forgot, I gave up.
I think I was talking at you and Carolin about

(01:57:57):
it because Calin just took over marketing or something, because
also I was crazy. Was we had got penalty hoodies
made and deferred made those two. Okay, that's what it was.
Then I think, okay, he made those. That was the
that was he think that was the first right? Yeah?
Question for gas station? Yeah, Willie Bergers, what was up

(01:58:21):
up the block to the left A fact, that's what
y'all did? That scene from paying them full at did
Now we did that on one f three. Unless we did,
y'all don't want to funk with us right there video,

(01:58:46):
So okay, now that's what we're on. Boom noil Martin,
I imagine Martin and made him telling you because somehow
I tried to probably contested this. I have no idea
what happened with till on way we threw it out.

(01:59:09):
I did not feel like the record reacted. But this
is me talking to you now. I was the experienced
person that knows how a record is supposed to react.
But back then I did not feel like, like the
records so done. But then I don't know where people
saying they're hitting people to tunnel over yea in the

(01:59:30):
head with till Till and why right, because this is
how it felt to me. I'm outside of looking in
you guys, are actually the analytical people, but holding it
doesn't me try to make my point and then you
you're tearing in. It felt like there was months set
with Bob with til I was actually playing, but it
wasn't muthy where by Way actually was successful as a record.

(01:59:53):
Then it actually became successful and it fell regional because
we had no internet, We had no we had no
idea that what was going on on the other shop
or in North count In order for it to get
back into the time, it took means to travel to
be like, wait a minute, maybe I do have when
we do have something right when it was was the

(02:00:15):
time that you guys knew that maybe this maybe we
have something to remember We were going to release another
record right right close right to this, but before all
of that we had an internal office like close up
or you have to have predominantly most of the albumsbut

(02:00:40):
the video um so. But then there was um um
and Marie Emery was written like and she was like,
if y'all go closely, you're gonna kill them. She's like,
that record is crazy that y'all need to go with
you and with why she was adamant about it. She
was so told me a woman. Wo yes, a woman

(02:01:02):
pick got because you were really even really thinking and
then when when she started it totally made sense of
y'all with with what we was really trying to up
and summed up what they weren't in and like in
the process of making that record, you know, making it

(02:01:24):
with you know Nashima or that the whole part you
know it was Tope, like you know they knew how
to make records. That you brought that seam to the table, right.
But if you listen to t Y and you hear
in the background rest in peace, that was my bomber.
I went to cutties one day on Passes the Hillside
and I was getting the head cut. I was in

(02:01:45):
the chair and we had a session right before that
to go to hit um h hit What was that
shot high factory? No no, no, no, no back So
boom I was getting a haircut, resting he's my man
Sean Brown. He started saying something anything that crazy old

(02:02:06):
school I ain't no by the Garlige kid ship while
he cut my head and I'm like, and I just
heard him going hello, So I'll said, yo, come to
the studio and say this. In the background, He's like what,
and I said, but we did it. Remember he came in,

(02:02:26):
but I wanted to soul road that. You can't really
make out what he was said. Remember, and I gotta
thank Dr Dre because Dr Dre gave me that, Like,
let me start putting moving prost. It sounds in the music.
So then my little man was like, yo, son, I
ran to his violin. Who so he's like, Yo, you

(02:02:47):
gotta listen to this ship. I tried, don't you claiming
the violinist? No, no, no, no, no, listen, listen, listen, listen,
little chill time about that, because you want to take
it if you didn't write every kick everything, you didn't

(02:03:18):
write everything, I want to right, listen Jesus. Well, So look,
so so she was talker not see put the violet?

(02:03:41):
Yeah she put that in the violet. Yeah, but were
just throwing it around like yo, my man could know
what was Agent two five? It was Asian two five,
little like so, but he had a great contept. Yeah,
I'm not listen, I'm telling truth, man, I ain't taking
up from nobody because I've got minds. I've put minds
in out. It was Agent two five. That was my

(02:04:02):
little man, said, your son of mental ranch on violinists,
you know people that played instruments on the train agent
two fives to the violinist. So I said, why are
you why you He was like, I don't know violets ill.
So we spoke to that she and not she put
that in me. That's facts you not she on the phone. Yeah,
but you under puffy. It was producers. His mindset and

(02:04:27):
making records was crazy. So that was an experience within itself.
Like he didn't know if she was. Yeah, that was
not that obviously downtown. Yeah, what studio was that with?

(02:04:48):
Then why all that radio at that point, right, because
it is the opposite of you didn't have that. You
didn't have you know, Internet, you didn't have you know.
So okay, we have to shoot a video and we
got to get it on radio. It was service. We
serviced radio. It's like no, it's like, we can't play
this record. And so it took a one. I mean
shows played it, right, So so the video played, but

(02:05:11):
it took a one. Main commercials commercially was crazy commercial.
How you were commercial before that? It was way commercial?
But she was she but she was like, yo, this
is these guys right, and like, if y'all go with this,
you're gonna take them out of the zone. Like so
I I was like, this is it right, let's let's

(02:05:31):
you know the reason why I signed you guys, because
because of that reason, like we wanted to see it
when why that's what we wanted and that set the tone.
But then you're taking and you're figuring out, this is
how we get the radio ultimately this happening closer. That's
that's what I mean. That's what I mean. That's why
when I had that day it was a claw kim Bergeon. Correct,

(02:05:52):
that's why that's right. Remake that afterwards. Remember I need
even going with that, We're trying to work so hard.
You got to work at a bunch of like probably
up probably not records Up. I had the false Compora

(02:06:18):
do that record, don't love poem Poe did because class
But you said, this needs to be you. That's who
you are? Yeah like that, No, not like that slam
Come on, I ain't the word puma just just throughout

(02:06:40):
making the record, I mean, it was so much drama
and it was to the record today and you really
get it and it's a special record. It's really you guys. Factor.
Commercial records like commercial success did were closer, you thought
hustle if you were to win closer, let the label
saying we need a radio it was the label, No

(02:07:01):
I'm the r. But what the thing is like? Right?
So the balance is this, right, So you gotta like
the the artist has a vision. And when you came
to me with a vision, it's like, all right, this
is what we're gonna try to see through. Right. But
then there's also like all right, yeah, we want some
commercial success. We're gonna try to take this record. That's
why we did a lot of those remixes. But the

(02:07:23):
thing that when it came, we came back to the
core of what's seeing it was and that's what went why.
And that's what she called out when she said that
that needs a lot of sense. And then that's what
we went with why and that said the tone to
sign the artist. Right now, I'm not going with you
on but but listen that that was the time, That

(02:07:45):
was the time that there was a time and place
for that. But that's probably why would work because you
wouldn't we talking about you know, it's it's it's it's
one million percent correct because what I'm trying to say,
is the thing about penalty? What makes penalty and I
want to give it to a penalty in its totality
is that it had to be you guys together sitting

(02:08:06):
there and saying that trag is happy, and you stopped
me if I'm wrong, it's happy for getting us out
the hood, like y'all fucking you know what, maybe if
we pick a wrong record or not, but if you
get them out of the hood, that's a success. Me.
If I get out of the hood, that's a success. You,
if you get out of the hood, that's a success.

(02:08:27):
What What What made y'all say let's keep it real
with the hood? Because easily, like right now, if I
have a find an artist right now and she or
he wants to go away with the commercial success that
I could identify with personally me, I know what Super Dug,
did I know what I even Kindle? Did I know

(02:08:49):
what Homeboy? Did? I know what certain records did, Funk
with us did for me. But I don't know what
this record can do. But you said the key word,
did right? Think about that? That's sound? That sounded sound.
It was a translation. We heard that record and we
came to Miamie to do that record. Right, you wait
until I get to Miamie to do that record. That
was the main focus because to me that wasn't that

(02:09:18):
was traditional underground New York. But we did that traditional
underground New York and went for ads and well, well
the thing is in my background and around the club
I had in w A and Easy and all these
and all were concerned. We were trying to turn you
into something that that's mad important. I want to shave

(02:09:41):
it again. When I said, he just brought up the
whole scenario. When I went into the office, you had
to go in the conference room was in the back.
He caught me in the conference from first. You guys
came in later and when you came in and dog
the stereos right here and the tables here, no to
get because I went around to the end of the table.

(02:10:02):
This motherfucking guy for me now man, because he was
always coming and I'd be like, damn, no, I don't,
I don't. But later on a lot of those things
turn out the work out. But I didn't see that vision.
But when he said we want to go with I
didn't choose that single. But when they said but he said,
they want to go into and why I was like, yo,

(02:10:22):
they understand because while you're making the project, you know,
like I didn't see everything until I heard it in
the body. I don't know if that's making sex. Like yeah,
the head and told it. I had to hear the
body to know. I you know what I'm saying. Like,
when you're doing a project, some people go in they
you know, they specifically make this type of single for that,

(02:10:45):
Like we were making a project like we're talking about before. Yeah,
it was like you embrace SNOOP, you embraced DMX, you
embraced POT because they bring you into their world. When
you do a body of work and you're bringing the
people into your world where you formulate and set up singles,

(02:11:07):
you're catering a little more to them, and it could work.
Your lifespan may be different. It depending on what your
goal is. You may want to beg I'm make a
formulate and get it. I don't know what your goal is.
But when you make your body at work, it becomes
a timeless peace because within that body of work, you
identify with who you are. You give the world a

(02:11:27):
piece of yourself. That's why That's why I respectfully. And
I'm gonna saying this some people. I love Biggie Man.
That was a new biggie. I didn't know pop, but
they both taught me something. Pot gave you a piece
of his roner abilities. I believe big an't really have
enough time to give you all of himself. He had
a great influence over him Puff, but yet it's still

(02:11:51):
it was an influence, so you didn't really get all
of big Pop was kind of like a low at times.
So you got on the Pot. And I think we
just to relate it to and why to what I
always tell an artist, I need to hear a song
that identifies you till till why was their? I d
like the fucking driver's license and identified everything. It was

(02:12:15):
a total sum of everything that makes sense. That's what
I wanted. It wouldn't work on a commercial or the
major record, no record label, just like protect your Neck
wouldn't have worked to any worldasion. I got a question
for you, Trash, real quick. Hearing you talk, hearing the

(02:12:37):
passion that you talk. Even when these records first came out,
Look this record right here, in particular, it was your
record right It felt like you were ushering in Compona Oriega,
I was that was that was what I had hearing everything.
Did you feel compon Origo was component Oriegan tragedy? Was
that really a group in your mind? I did. I
did feel that way at the time because I feel

(02:12:59):
like I had make up for him. I felt like
I had to cover for him because he wasn't listening.
I'm like, yo, you gotta, you gotta You're about to
go in. I'm dead ass man. You gotta go in
and do some songs because it's gonna just you. It
wouldn't matter will not being seen an album. It's gonna
be a Norri album. He's working. You gotta go in
and do some son That's why it was hard. But

(02:13:22):
he wounded up doing capon Ball, but he he probably
might not did that. His mom was. He knew he
had to go do time, and he was just yeah
he had. If he had been here, you would have
taken more of the executive role, totally totally, but him
going keep it greeting. I didn't want around, it want around,
but I'm glad because I had to. You wouldn't do

(02:13:45):
one good came down some time. No, that's the deep
question it was, and it was it was it was
it was put Cooney, That's what I said. Dan. It's

(02:14:09):
kind of like he's like, it's kind of good for me,
you know. But by the time I signed CNN, and
I've been doing this for a long time already, but
in my career, it's probably the most special project that
I've ever been associated with. And that's why we're here.
Uh and you listen to it now. I was in
the studio a few weeks ago and with a bunch

(02:14:30):
of drill rappers and and they're talking about their ship,
and I said, you got to hear the War of Recourse.
So it's like, you know, so I'm really proud of
you guys, and proud to be talking about this twenty
five years later. It's amazing to me what we're proud
of you guys were actually did you guys was a

(02:14:52):
part of our journey, My journey, all of our journey,
and we want to give you all y'all flowers in
y'all y'all bag pretty come on, come on, I want
to stay that you get mine. You know, as I
look back and things, I might have been a little

(02:15:13):
rough friend of Edges, but I gotta beat now. I'm
serious man, I want to buy ship. You're gonna be there.
You on service, brother, Oh that's what stuff? Okay, flowers
you know you and you know I'm gonna be completed.

(02:15:42):
We didn't get her out to the one that gets
flowers to my man. I don't like to think about
but you know, you know, I just want to say something, um,
because this whole and he is beautiful for me, you know,

(02:16:04):
even even the spa scrimping seas and scrimping, you know,
all that ship, all that ship. Like if I thought
about it the other day, and I probably wouldn't change
much like if I said, you'll do it all over again,
I would change the two things. If if in retrospect,

(02:16:30):
it doesn't matter what all the champs it brought us here,
it brought up for this happy woman. That's why today tragic.
You know I might have called you today. Why don't
I have a called any grown man my life? Okay?
And it's because one I do listen to the fans.

(02:16:52):
And sometimes when I listen to the fans and the
fast and we'll say something like the Worrid for why
are you gonna you know, pick up the Worrid for
without thinking love track you know the war report is
in it's your babies, thanks, and it's everyone's baby here.

(02:17:13):
Actually the parents unarrest sounds a little crazy, Okay, I'm
like little, so little, It's okay, it's all right, But
it's also everyone's you know. Um, I listened to it
the other day, Listen to it today, listen to it.
And it's really a masterpiece. It's really a classics, really

(02:17:38):
something that stood out to the test of time. And
what's funny is hell about it. It's when I made
it out when we collectively because if I say that ship,
so I'm saying it together because that's because I'm talking.

(02:18:01):
But what I'm saying is when you was really I
really despised this guy named and it wasn't nothing personally,
it was he was representing the exact opposite he would representing.
We were thirty tims, scuffed, come under the tap, kicking

(02:18:26):
judges and they notices shooting. Hey manna, I'm waiting. Then
here's this, here's this guy's exact opposite. And for us
to come back twenty five years later and to be

(02:18:47):
sitting here with the people behind the scenes, people whatever
was in front of the scenes, people that lived the
scenes us said, you know, be able to sit here
and have drinks. It's a beautiful thing. Life goes on
to beat Martin's son that to be I would like
to meet your wife oficially his wife. Finally, this is

(02:19:10):
beautiful that this is this is actually grown man ship
and it's not what it's not what we signed up
for everyone for their own self. You know, this is
why this show Drink Champ is so beautiful is because
it's not really about me and yeah, finish about giving

(02:19:31):
everyone else and for us to sit down right now.
This is just a beautiful moment. Amazing. It's amazing that
I personally made these phone calls like a not too
high bro. There's not one person that can say, yo,
you know what? Um. You know, I called everyone individually.
I wanted everyone to be here, and I wanted everyone
to get their flowers. You know what y'all actually are

(02:19:52):
getting because it's really uh, if it wasn't for Mayhem.
Mayhem is, in my most famous skit ever, a solid
dude man. Man. He was a solid dude man, always sad.
I'm listening, you know, been a part of it. Geno

(02:20:13):
has been a part of it. The Gino went on
and you know, helped discover asap rocket And I said
it in front of a sap rocket. Appreciate that, uh
Neil as much things if you you you've done, mar
and as much things as you've done. And and trash
and one of one have triple bypass surgery or something
like that. Yeah, but I had a serious surgery. I

(02:20:35):
had serious Look good man, look good brother had ver
cancer and I did it, so shot man. And so
what I want to say is, um, but hold up.
We you and e FN met because of penalty. I

(02:20:56):
didn't know that. I was actually think of taking a
calls you get him through the phone. Don't tell me this,
don't Yes, well that's your book. He was trying to
he was he was trying to get records and book
a show. But that was after actually that was right
after I met him. Yeah, but remember when they when
you first came, I was like, yo, you need to

(02:21:17):
get with it. To add to that, because I wanted
that story. Is ill I met, I met you and
you came to my store. It was you were on
the interpend the promoter CNN and Poe was locked up
and and and Phill the mayor promoting local promoter brought
them because you know, back then you had to go
to do in stores when you're doing doing runs in

(02:21:38):
the club. And I was one of the few. We
had Crazy Goods, one of the few hip hop stores
and putting on the shirt Crazy he the shirt and
then then I called penalty because I was like, I
gotta get down with these dudes because y'all show much
stub and and then HA did that phone call. Yeah,
it was funny because it was new that, you know,

(02:22:00):
I was always taking a poem called some poem, always
called and when his ship run out, boom, you know
his bangy, you're gonna call you back in five minutes.
Then I got fool, he's still so he called the
E F F coll and I was like, just hey,

(02:22:22):
poem and I was like, yeah, who's this And then
he was like, yo, I'm a DJ. No, just me
just being me. We just connected over the phone and
whenever he needed records, he wanted freestyles, and he was like,
y'all want to book a show, and I was like,
fuck it, We're gonna make it happen, which went through Viola.
No look that show book was your first n R

(02:22:44):
show out here. Yeah, and it was through Violator and
then the White Lady. They called me a week before
and said someone else was trying to book him. I
just set the deposit that someone else was called and
I was like, hell, I just said, my motherfuck deposit,
we're doing this shop. That was But she always took

(02:23:13):
care of me. Martin always took care of me. The
whole team took care of me. Always been Martin. I
know that I was always blowing you up for freestyles
and and and everything that I did, the phone home
show that you guys had me take care of here
in Miami, that she was ill. It's always been a family.
So yeah, he was always shouldn't really be connected, you know,
she wouldn't be down the lane over to be like

(02:23:33):
NAS albums. Wait, I mean, for me, it's really full
circle to see this right now, it's just amazing. It's
just I agree. I mean at the War Report lives
on and let's live Stone, yeah, and then look at
look and let's just let's just sting off the top, right. Okay,

(02:23:54):
we can't like fully claim like an easy LP right
because easy LP was already out with but give it
up to him. He gave me a class of claw
Clark camp. But this shout for this and then from
that comes a Swiss Beats comes up for rap. Yeah,

(02:24:15):
you know I was a dream. Chip Man comes in
right more right. We got kids. We got Faye. Yeah,
I like it, Like, ain't just a bad man. They
got babies. They're gonna take the firm. H I know
yours is minds is. He says, we're gonna working on

(02:24:38):
the set right now, guys. Yeah, my son is working
on the set. Yeah. We got we got we got
a lot of we got a lot of pepn were
Flowish man smoking and stuff. I got a lot of

(02:25:00):
you know, you know what. But um, you know, I
want to just in case individually, um, you know, one
by one. You know, it's no problem in case I
didn't individually, one by one, you know, thank everyone because
that's important, is um. The journey. I used to be

(02:25:26):
seeing people so much times and they talk about the
beginning they took about and they're like they be getting
the journey. The journeys were mixed, you know what I'm saying.
Journey's life, the Journey's life. Yeah, the journey, yes, Hobby,

(02:25:48):
But it's road. It's probably the hardest album. It's probably
the hardest thing I've ever been a part of, but
it's also the foundation of everything I've been a part of.
So making the Worripor the Aroblem it was, I mean
getting on the train, I not a jabs and ship.

(02:26:12):
You don't know. When you don't, you don't know who
You're starting to feel like the man. But you gotta
hide it, yo, and you gotta go and be like, Man,
I'm about to do a record with nas because you
want to our trade. Like if I know that, I
know how that feels. Bro. See that defines character. Bro,
everybody want to make it? What the funk you wanted

(02:26:34):
to do to make it bad? How hard will you go?
Like how much I know? I know how far you go?
I know how far you How far are you wanting
to fight? Man? That's right because if you got anybody
can talk this ship a lot of times. Man, we
do things man, especially you know, not to jump off.
I gotta be in chaligent little, especially with these kids.

(02:26:55):
We do things to to kind of like over the
next man, but not really because we want validation. But real,
like to me, real achievement is looking at yourself and
pulling that ship out when nobody's in the pleach is
shearing for you? Can you do that? I can do that?
Can you keep going? Everybody else is going like this.

(02:27:19):
That's championship to me, you know what. I'm fit so
so when I see this right here, I think about
all the times dudes going through crazy ship, damnit dying,
just everything's going because you but you want everything to
go right right, You want everything to go right. But
it is going right. It is going right. You know

(02:27:41):
what I'm saying. It is going I'm gonna take me
a Japanese della, y'all. I'm going backstrood Man tomboy. I'm
a professional. I've got all the damn all the time
you got. I'm about hol Yo Sun. I was like, Yo,

(02:28:04):
this is a real Spanish thing. He's drinking, made about
ten dollars, is about to go up only talking about
but so so so, ma'am, because today I textually just

(02:28:30):
make sure you was here. You send me a picture.
This picture was of what, oh, what's dad? A Mike
listure got masters. That's what's going on. I mean, the

(02:29:01):
backups come one? What does that? Yo? What name is
on that yog? That ship? A little version, That's what
version is that though, that's the last version. Yo, this
for radio. I gotta be O Studs studio. I know

(02:29:24):
the logo. Oh that's the mastering plant right now? Yeah? Okay,
what else is in the right? What else is going
on there? Bro some some ideas of difference. You got
a copy in that stage, you stay, take a copy
of this happen? Hey, whatever happened that Wappy Guy and

(02:29:51):
Candy record smarts from doing radio, we would get so
many freestyle sas archive everyone literally no right, So at
the end, yeah, the label got every great your work.

(02:30:12):
It's amazing. It's great because you you would have to
prove your work meaning tomorrow. Yeah, I don't know what's out. Yeah,
I don't want to say. I'm I'm really happy to

(02:30:33):
be here. Proud of you taking all these years and
and pone and tragedy and you know this whole. It's
an amazing team. So I love you. Guys sat up
for an ely day. That ain't what you got the
budancy What was the girl that he was light skinned? Monica?
What was her name? Oh, Terry? Terry said yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

(02:31:00):
I don't know. I don't I don't forget you ye,
Christine at homes we can Carolyn Williams. You know we
are Who else are we missing? Eldness said, talked about

(02:31:22):
did chief Tyrone? We can't forget to Julie. We said
that Julia early, that Julia was around. So yeah, Mama,
you might have that cool and love to that to
love stiver get caught in car manly too many. Grandma

(02:31:42):
came from eight fort country. Grandma came from storing out
the right sto out there country. Grandma came from superduck listen.
I signed, Yes he was cheap back then, right, that's true.
That speaking was like, okay, so Neil, let me just

(02:32:06):
ask you. Yeah, and this is a real ship um
which one of the saddest days of my life. I
do you know? Yeah, I think we're about to drop union. Yea.
We have this meeting and this meeting that Chris liked,

(02:32:29):
he gobbed us to day we sit down this guy
uh named Tom Simmerman. It's just down to what I SUCs.
Penalty is no longer. You guys are coming. You guys
are coming to I believe it was on't to me

(02:32:53):
is that Mr Childs. But I believe and it was
supposed to be my supposed to be my dinner, by
the way, my dinner. So I don't you ever said
this public or we've never covered this publicly. This is
this is a meeting where a poem you correct me?
Are we about to drop the reunion? Amal? This is
right before before I think we we just we just yes,

(02:33:21):
what is you going through? Because a lot of people
just and this is beautiful for people that you know,
it's gonna open up a company, bs CEO, do whatever,
getting business people and then not realize what's what's going on,
because I mean, obviously you were the eldest statesman at
this time being a poem. Were really we just ride whatever,

(02:33:42):
Neil said, whatever, whatever. But you went through something with
with this and if you could share this story because
you never showed him to the meeting, we kept looking like, well, okay,
it was It was the hardest day of my life.
It was one of them, and um, you know, and
we had a huge rainstorm and my apartment got flooded

(02:34:03):
that that weekend. It was just a very very difficult time.
I went from being the man to not and in retrospect,
it was a cleansing period of my life. I became
stronger and I knew who I was more. But that
time was really tough and and in business it's really tough,

(02:34:24):
and it was it was cheaper to getting rid of
me at that point, and um, and they exercise to
buy out on the company and uh, hell whatever enough

(02:34:45):
call whatever, because it's my baby, so my baby. It
wasn't about it wasn't about it was it was it
was who I was and you guys, we were part
of that, that legacy, and it was a difficult time.
But in retrospect um it was meant to be right

(02:35:06):
for for those times and I'm looking back then my
whole day in my life, but looking back years later,
it was actually a cleansing period from me and I realized,
you know, I wasn't defined by by all these other
things and I could still be who I was, and

(02:35:26):
I came back stronger than ever because at one point
one of them because um this this was kind of like,
I don't know if you felt like this. And we
didn't understand business at this time. So when it was
like you know what, usually guys are just tommy boy,

(02:35:48):
we was like, well, why ain't Nil fighting? Like why
is it Neil saying that they're not time boy, there
are still penalty. We didn't obviously didn't understand business like that.
And I felt like that with you at one point too,
like when it was like, um, you know, all right, well,
what by trash ain't fighting for me. You know he's

(02:36:09):
gonna let me go. So I wanted to start with
you with with this situation, and then with you if
you got to the bathroom, I'm gonna say, but um,
you know that was one of because we were so naive,
We're like what so Nil was just gonna just give
it up. And Chris Lanny, who was supposed to be
are like mentor. He had never heard of his neither,

(02:36:32):
but he had to wait until he left the meeting.
He couldn't even give us something positive. And I mean
it literally happened hours before that dinner, So you and
Tom had never had any descripance. Hours before the dinner,
we had this meeting. I was supposed to go to
the dinner. I set up the dinner and and that's
when they said we we had a we we haven't

(02:36:54):
waited and all that stuff. And by the way, I
was gonna fight to get it back. And I talked
to my attorneys and it's like, oh, so you know,
looking back all these years later, um most difficult period
of my entire life. And if it wasn't for it

(02:37:16):
wasn't for Miami. I came down to Miami. That's when
I met Khalid, and I was thinking I got into
business with him at that point and cool and great.
So so it was it was a really and it
was a wake up call for me. I need to
be honest because you know, it was my baby, so
the penalty of my baby and suddenly I didn't have

(02:37:38):
it at that point. I ended up getting it back
because I'm gonna tell you, as an outside I'm looking
in and I was not an outside of looking and
I was an insider that was inside. But I was
probably like I didn't believe Tom Superman. Like what I
thought was this was like a cahoose for him to
just get rid of penalty. I didn't think that he

(02:37:59):
actually fucked you over too, like I thought it was
just Austin was being pucked over because what he said
was you guys are making money. We just think you
guys And he said it like like we told us
a totally different It was saying I'm gonna take everybody
that was working on your project from penalty. Oh yeah, okay, okay.
It was supposed to the game, the game, that's the game,

(02:38:24):
all the people, all the people around. Yeah, that's scary.
If I look back over my years that day, that night,
the dinner, I knew that dinner was happening because I
set it up. The fact that I wasn't there, the
fact we just didn't our business together, you know. Um,

(02:38:45):
you know, it's like we see a lot of teeth,
the telling us, telling us she was going there like
she seen us from time because she's like, don't do it,
don't do it. But look, I could totally relate to
a Neil because like that's what it was with us,
Like it was like, Yo, what the fund? You know

(02:39:09):
what I'm saying, Like this is my little brothersh man,
Like these my little brothers, Like I don't I don't, nah,
we can't throw it like that, you know what I'm
sharing looking at like what I went through, Like Molly,
I'm like, who the fuck is this man? Like so
when he came in front of me, I'm gonna let
you tell it. Got you telling? Um? No? I mean

(02:39:30):
you know that that was a whole experience for me
because um M, I didn't I didn't know how harsh
business was. I didn't know that today me and you
can split up turkey and cheese salach tomorrow, that's what happens.

(02:39:52):
And it was just like that, Like Tom Stillerman was
um he was so nausealt about it, like you don't
know what to all. I know, you guys hang out
the penalty every day. And I was like, yeah, we enjoyed.
You're talking about one I'm talking about. I was like, yeah,
you know, I was getting to that because so so
I was like, yeah, we enjoyed. He was like yeah,
but we got a gym over and I'm not talking

(02:40:14):
about the season. And by the time I was always
really I'm like, okay, be blowing off. I have no idea.
He's like, yeah, you you nobody else like you guys,
and that's it. And then he's like, yeah, so you
guys just don't go to penalty no more. That's crazy
And you're not realizing what he's saying is everything that

(02:40:39):
you've been doing for two and a half half years
enjoying yourself over it's over. But everything having the penalty.
While I was shocked every single. But for him to
say he's gonna take the like immediate staff connected to
that was that's that's something one like like that. It

(02:41:05):
was like Neil Straight, So we automatically our guards just down.
I was like, alright, cool, alright cool. And the staff
at the media staff, everyone who works with a ponent,
are they coming that one of them caring? Yeah, I
heard that ship before Straight, but three were like word

(02:41:25):
like cool cool, and they're giving us some great paper though,
like it was like that was his thing, like you
would throw me this in your face. Well I didn't
know that that mean, And it was afterwards he just
felt at that mean he was just letting slagors just
be taking care of Yeah, he was warming to you

(02:41:48):
gotta give yourselves, y'all were young and somebody trash. I
wanted that phone call. I definitely wanted that phone quote
for you now because I got explained to it through
lawyers and do lawyers. They were like, you know what, um,
you know now, be okay back on his feet. That's
what the exact borders far back and sounds bad like that.

(02:42:10):
So for me, if I have, if I have one
my life that I didn't talk to anybody you guys,
I actually disappeared. Leo Coles, did it to be yet
because you did right into my life? Then he regrets them. Yeah,

(02:42:31):
it's that I did. That's how when he wanted to
give you that listen, you know what that crazy shit
about that ship. If we would have talked, he gave
us enough money, we could have brought ourselves bad. We
could have said, you listen, you weren't looking at it
like that. The money we bet on ourselves, he wasn't
looking at it like guys. I think it was a

(02:42:53):
lot of stuff going on. There was the atmosphere that
bro bro you know, now brof you could come on everybody.
That's a good point that you're making. And I got
to say that before. But before that happened, I had
left penalty. But I regret leaving you like I regret.
I think I shot. It was somewhere. It was somewhere

(02:43:16):
before epic was I remember a little dog right, because like, yeah,
I think had I stayed, things probably would have played
out a little bit different. I think I left. You know,
Neil gave me my first shot, but I think that
he actually offered me a fair deal to stay. But
because I was young, didn't know, and chasing the check

(02:43:39):
made a bad move, right, and it wasn't like the
best thing. So I regret that. And we could have,
you know, probably could have, you know, played out a
little a lot of a lot of different I left, bam,
I left, you know, I left, I left a lot
of things on the table, unfinished business. I would stay
right because there was still a lot to happen. But
everything worked out the way it worked out of it
to be money. So it is what it is, and

(02:44:02):
we were here, we tell it in twenty five years.
That's gonna keep it and keep it going and and
and it's fun up to say now. But I'm glad
that you said that was one of these Saturs days
of your life. This is one of my. Yeah, it was.
It was definitely changed with Edwin Holmes was the man,

(02:44:39):
I will tell you something. I would tell you something,
I tell what I would take something. I'm in Hollywood.
I'm in Hollywood. I'm gonna take a shot of Japanese
Japanese doc I'm in Hollywood. And it comes across the
table after Entourage comes across the table, is what happens

(02:45:01):
to what's going to be Empire with the series. Yeah, okay,
these guys are sending to me. They sent me the script.
I look at the script like this will never work. Sad,
this story, it's so false. I was wrong. Just be clear,

(02:45:25):
because what is it called? They fatitiously, factitiously described this
story and sometimes the troop are so dope you don't
need to add one or nothing to nothing to it.
What I always wanted to do and always your light

(02:45:46):
to do, was to recreate that penalty situation where it
was exactly that where these hood artists came up to
this little prestigious record label, got to get out the hood,
but then makes some of the most amazing music they
ever did, get the rollers, Like, that story has not

(02:46:08):
been told. I've seen Entourage. I apologize. I felt short.
Oh I've seen uh. I was just talking about Empire.
God bless you guys. You came literally, But I was
talking about the realness of the record label, like like
the realness I would love to see something like you're

(02:46:30):
going to management, the realness of going to a pal.
You can maybe get a hood nigger like Geno and
saying she's coming here to see and this nigga is
sitting there eating the turkey, sandwich and like man with
the Africa Aca sh and then you're smelling but in
the background, but this school be incorporated in the front

(02:46:51):
like this, And she's like, right, sometimes you don't have
to exaggerate the truth that you can't make you up.
You can't listen, it's a lot of ship. We're not
even really like you can make you can't. They paid
for ship like that, Like this ship is all organic.
This is called Japanese del Yeah, but you know what,

(02:47:17):
you know what though, That's how I felt, bro, That's
how I felt when it came to me, like yo, someone,
I'm like that ship was like a hard blow to me.
So no freaky you know what I mean? Well, you
will be honest, freeze whatever I want to disappear in life,

(02:47:41):
calling whenever, whenever you want to disappear. You are the
best disappearment act in America? Are you some time that
everybody don't say I'm out but trash you are. No.

(02:48:03):
You know what though, let me tell you this though, seriously,
even listen all the way to time, my Paul, you
can't say that stop he really can't cut it out
about just stop. Look you cut it out with the
games man vouch. I listened. He do vounce for me?
He do vounce for me. You're not listening. I know,
he vouch. You can manipulation like that. You know you

(02:48:28):
don't say that because see like like I know my
people's man, you're gonna sit there and you had to
get that off. That my idea what you just said.
I'm not gonna track you know what, I gonna talk
to my brother. I can't wait on the shop. I
want to talk to my brother like he can wait

(02:48:51):
to throw that a we sh. I knew he was
gonna whold act just that one. I said, he I
was getting later said he might not throw that end,
but that's we is now, I'm going to happen like one.
They were not to bring it up. Think about this
right at that time, who was dominating the music business?
I said, right, that's why I said that opposite. That's

(02:49:16):
why I said that topic and still made Yeah, that's
why I said that that. I think that was kind
of I know that was kind of lit, right, I said,
cozy blow holes, stop your mosquito later, But I think
that that was also like what was happening like publicly,

(02:49:39):
like Masters was dancing whatever, singing but it was really
there was this other thing happening, and that's where we
was at. We was on this other way like it
was on was that I'm gonna join them on the past.
It was everybody, we're taking a bathroom break. Now what

(02:49:59):
Japanese fat h m m h h h passes you

(02:50:58):
knows you this character, I drink this jazy The one
guy is in challenge on the glasses on trying to fly.
Can't see a lot you all. Body's smarter than everybody
in this rooms when you put it more yeah, yeah,
joints have paid cheers, got your everybody, everybody. Yeah, I

(02:51:24):
got going around the table, better health, a better time, health,
more hearty, more sun show. Hould on got a shot,
hold on, hold on, you give him a shot? Can
you pass me that? Um and um? That's that Jamanu Sam,
that's that Yapanese. Get that Yapanesy. Yeah, y'all got only

(02:51:47):
got got done. Y'all matter fract You ain't telling y'all
to walk through yeah past me because I'm gonna be
out of you right yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, take do.
That's what I'm talking about. Double im speaking of double
with double one double more time cheers for us, cheers,

(02:52:09):
appreciate you. I'm watching Small Chance episodes on my motherfucker's
see it. Yeah ye yeah, yeah, it's nice. Being good
is delicious, you see like the smooths throw you who Yeah,

(02:52:40):
that's what you let me get that top you feel good? Yeah? Up?
Everybody else? Yeah, cancel christ as someone who has the
cat by the damn your fault. I'm talking, come on,

(02:53:08):
come on, guys, the black right. So what do you
remember question? Listen? Listen, listen, because out of all the
records that we're on, one of the most famous precors,
one of my most proudest, it's Bloody One. Not only

(02:53:31):
he was there for that section, was actually on the wreck.
When they say big ride, regulate the court, big ride,
man child, we say all that on the record, not
not only in the back I was talking, but you're
actually talking with us in the background. What do you
remember about Bloody One session? I didn't prep you on
that point. Point one of the mics at them police, Yo,

(02:53:54):
put this micro. I just wanted to just pointed at here. Yeah,
that's a big n First of all, we was kids. Yeah,
you know what I mean now that I look bad
at it, it was just it was a special moment
because you know what I mean me, you know, I'm
I grew up in Queensbridge, left from Happy, I mean

(02:54:15):
left friends friend was what of all the neighborhoods and
y'all was already established in Lower Eleans City. So when
he got his chance to when he got this platform
the door, we were just so proud, like you know
what I'm saying. Like even Kenney Smith used to be like,
why are y'all so proud to be from Left Fract?

(02:54:35):
Like it was because it really, like you know, what
was left Frac wasn't Left Fract wasn't like y'all, but
it wasn't in a salt place either, like for we
had all the big name big names, Yankses and everything.
But when he did it, it was like, oh man,

(02:54:57):
like it was just we was just happy. But what
people don't know. He used to go on the booth.
He ain't go by myself. He used to bring like
two people like that. But it marked out like he's like, yo,

(02:55:17):
I remember he said, used to put me to the
site was and sometimes money sometimes, oh money, especially money
sometimes we will and that the blood money was the
time for us to be will, But we're just proud
man as you should be. See it. What a lot

(02:55:40):
of people don't know what money he started writing rhymes
and chaos. What that meant was I wrote rhymes. It's
called k unit and k unit I had. I would
only see the light. The light from the other people
sound right, and then sorry for every lady that's in here,

(02:56:10):
but it's hard to write rhymes with someone's jerking off
next to all. See my home back comes out if
you listen. Never said I said someone else's jerk when
I was writing rhyme. That's that's what someone happened. Okay, okay, listen.

(02:56:35):
I'm very confidence you got. But what I'm trying to
tell you is how I started to do that was
it was through chaos, it was through noise, it was
through to the next problem. You gotta you gotta also
realized it's also somebody sort of left that is cramped,
crying for their mother because they want to be home. No,

(02:56:56):
that's right, right, I got you, guys. What I'm saying,
but Art is missing. It's saying his high rocks so
chaos high d So A lot of people don't understand

(02:57:24):
that got was normal for me going in and here
in silence people. I needed to go on out and
I needed to hear how I started to rhyme then,
and then it made sense to me. Even even successful,

(02:57:48):
even after being successful, like I'm real used to be like,
you need these guys there, and I was like, nope,
I just want to see them there to remember at
these guys would be in there playing the piano like
oh you know this ship picks up. Yeah yeah, yeah,
but um that that actually soothed me. That created your

(02:58:08):
comfort zone. That was your comfort zone. Yeah, makes sense.
Every other artist exact opposite kick him on the move
and there and everybodyself understand. If you listen to super Dog,
you can tell that was like you couldn't have made
that under your right mind, under the field. You gotta do.

(02:58:29):
You gotta be when you feel comforable. Like when you
first said it was like, yo, I forgot what show
he was on. I'm not gonna say you, no, Christman,
don't believe it. No mystery Gus. Listen to the radio.
You said, I thought I had to go back to left.

(02:58:50):
You said, nah, I usually need to defl the tragic
to Miami. He's a walking project. I took that offensively
at first hearing it, he meant, but you know, I
didn't understand what he meant because you know he's remember that.
But when I thought about it, I was like, that's
a compliment. No, No, I'm serious, jo Side, I'm just

(02:59:14):
not used to getting compliments from you. So you gott
understand how I feel. No that. Yeah, but at the time,
like you gotta understand you've it back then, Okay, I
like how you trying to Listen. I didn't look at
it like that. I like, what the fun? You always
been like this? Yeah, every time I got another friend, right,
he's been around he said, Hell, y'all always posture, And

(02:59:36):
I said, now we just feel it's energy. Don't feel
bad for him. He knows what he's doing. Listen, he's
doing but no, no, what he's doing it. I'm seriously,
I understand what you meant. But you know what I'm saying.
I understand what you meant, and this is what I
get from people one time and right now. Dudes, don't

(02:59:59):
necessarily you know what to make me happy though that's
for no money. He's act, but I want to do
what I want to do. It. I don't know what
he said. I would another. It would never be non seriously,
there would never be another warrport. I know we just

(03:00:26):
finally but I know whatever, But I know if we
really went in and tapped that scene, I don't know,
time is different. You have the infrastructure right wait, like
it's giving me a feeling like that's the only way
I think we should do it. If we're an't do
it together, man, I think I think I think that's
what act. What's yours? He said, chaos? What is the world? Then?

(03:00:59):
Right now? Right? Let me what was your second? This
is my brother, that's the same thing. I want to
feel like I'm selling you because you know what another

(03:01:19):
person in my poss like. I don't say that. I kid,
but then that's not right. But try don't just do
what I'm saying. How are you gonna do it? You
gotta keep going. You're gonna be getting no no, no, no,
hold whatever. Wait, let me say let me say, right,
do not fault. He's he's gonna say he's been around

(03:01:46):
with rob Yes, Paul, Paul, Paul. Yeah. Let me just
say how you pulled me out my bed and you
we went to dinner and remember that. This is what
track says he's drop with the jew. You gotta keep
that too. But you want me to stay whether I
gave you what you're reading, I gave you what your phone,

(03:02:15):
you know what I'm saying that, But I don't know
what I'd be precarious. Let's move away time listening. I'm
only gonna be here for a little while. Bro, Like
my life is should mentioned on this stage. I shouldn't

(03:02:35):
have to stay there. Listen, I don't even deal what
I had to do. Man, Now do we understand what
the fund this means? Because come on, listen, you know
what I got. I gotta I gotta shake out. I
got a family, man, you give it? You breaking me?
Yea disaway? Wait, I gotta make moves. Wait a minute,
when I come through? How to come through? Right sometime?
Right sometime. It gets some point where we gotta leave

(03:02:57):
that ship behind. Wait, we gotta leave that ship behind
and we gotta move forward, moving forward, Slim, don't need
to do this. Let's speak clear clear. This is why
I'm bringing it up. Don't start deviating over there, but
I'm going overhead. We never. I don't need to do this.
This is why I'm bringing to the table now because
we all like old but a lot of us feel
a certain way, but a lot of us won't say it.

(03:03:19):
I gotta say it to Slim because whether he likes
it or not, I'm his brother. I'm not a cheerleader.
I'm not a jesting here. We could bump head, guess
what at we should know where the funk I'm coming
from and think I know where it's coming from. It's
not a danger to me. You might not like me
all the time. I don't like you all the time.
I'm always love you. And you're gonna tell me how

(03:03:41):
you feel. I would like to hear how you feel
all the time. Speak clear. Stop playing on games man,
That's not what we got in this for. It was
just us then evolved now to us. We could keep
it us, but all that trash ship, it's not about that.
It's about us moving forward. I want to move forward.
Hold you gotta defend it. I love you you, listen,

(03:04:03):
Let's move forward. Slip you don't need to do this
nice if at some point right because basically I'm asking,
I want to do it one more time. I do.
I want to do it more time because sim you know, Slim,

(03:04:26):
when when like you know what I'm in in a
minute now. Yeah, I disappeared. I guess when you know
what a minute? Right? Man? When I'm in it, I'm
in it. Let's get in it one time, man, just
one last time. You know why. I think if we
put out harsh and minds in it with everybody here collectively,
that's some What is Griselda? What is Grizelda? Let me

(03:04:51):
ask you that. What is grise Elda? It's an extension
that makes a good point. I mean it was a
says us energy, keep the same energy going forward. However
we did it like we we all are in an
out or we're all doing whatever. It isn't that same
energy of not trying to do something commercial ship or

(03:05:13):
trying to do I'm not gonna energy. Man, was not speaking,
Stop putting that disappears. I think it's know what, you
got a public watching this and you're sucking up my back.
Don't do that because you know what when you call
me slap and you like, yo, pull up, I'm pulling up.
It's true days the first day, but listen any other time,

(03:05:34):
I'm pulling up on my own cord because listen now,
I'm spectfully because that ship gotta stay with shot. Listen, man,
this nigga is the shot. People. I'm not prying. You
know what I'm saying. You know what I mean like,
but listen, I'm going forward side. I'd like to say
that what I mean by that you live in your

(03:05:55):
own world and once want one thing about it. Two
things for sure. I lived in my own More. What
I started to realize is in order for me to
cant to them the proster, I gotta respect every one
other world. Going to that world I'm swing to I.
I'm going on to Delian. In order to get there,
I gotta say, I gotta say here. I gotta make

(03:06:15):
sure everyone likes me along this way. But once I
get here, then I'm gonna be out. I just got
out a clip today, but I said, Yo, you know what,
I don't need you to be like this. I don't
need you. I'm gonna always show you love because I'm
gonna be who I am. And that's that's the problem
with us. It's it's it's like me, you and component

(03:06:36):
for me, You and Trash. We have the same problem
that Tank have and we three year of us these
motherfucker's is nine. There's no way we should have the
same complications when it comes to a goal. Now, hit
me out. What I mean by that is back then
when when Bessas said, you know, we need to have

(03:06:57):
nineteen songs done by such and such and such, they've
all looked at Risen, it was like, what the fun?
But then they all individually got artists. And then when
that's they tried to buy that same they understood. So
we when we at when you that's why we we
started this where we said, yo, you know what trash.
You know how you taught us, how do we calld

(03:07:18):
like how you you so eloquently put and how you
helped me in those certain ways. That's exactly what it is.
But now it's just like now it's just like now
like let's suppose we had we we said, we really said,
you know what, tomorrow, you know what, it's like I
wanted some flysh it. We just do it. It's tomorrow,
right boom. Now we're going to Bahamas. Tomm made him

(03:07:39):
calls that we fucking reduces that he knows, you know,
goes every producing, mar goes everything, Nil calls every you know,
uh ceo connected we got and we do it and
then poem doesn't show up. Do you understand that I'm
not showing up this time, that's not a fact, just home.

(03:08:00):
Only showing up this time affects me, then affects you,
and then that's if you make a round. And then
the thing about it is, it's so harder for me
now if I'm the only one committed. That's say, if
you guys are not. But if but we would have,
would not in a sense of let me be exactly

(03:08:22):
what I'm trying to say. If wait, if we haven't
sex it at six o'clock and now this time you
say you showed up at six o'clock your time, I'm
there at four. I want that same commitment. I want
that same what session want to give me a sam
It's not it's not shut out because you don't. We
don't just keeping it great like I don't I don't know,

(03:08:43):
non stop stop stop, but just hear me out it is.
It is just kind of getting a little personal. You
don't gotta go through command. I'm not going through that.
And it's kind of personal with me. If somebody says
something like that, that like I'm not that I don't
know what, but hit me out for sex, and then
that but hit my point. I'm trying to make it.
Let me let me, let me, let me clarify. See,
the thing is like without in, it's just like it's

(03:09:12):
just like not to say when you're not in, you're
not in. Let to say when you're not in, you in.
But the thing is, oh whan, I have to have
the passion. I can't do nothing like I don't jerk
off with Wait, you say you mean that I wanted,

(03:09:36):
but I say, you know what, sion, You're show up
out the kind of like you try to understand your
influence a minute. Understand. It's just like it's just like
when that show up. Stop. It's not that it's just

(03:09:58):
not that don't do that. It's just that we all
have certain commitments. Phone people are running. Today is the
first time name name, No way if today is the
second the name of folks, come on, I want you
I wouldn't do that. You can't named name. I want

(03:10:20):
you to because I only know I want to clean
this up. I'm want to clean this upright because you
put it in the air. And listen, don't put it
in the air, because that you hold a shirt of
form when you put it in the air. People run
with that that's not necessarily good when it's not the hunt.
True today is under true, today is a rue, but
then today will be the one. Don't make don't make

(03:10:41):
today seem like a two to three. It's like that,
And don't jump on that because I'm not quitting. I'm
not talking on anything. Don't do that. Don't do that.
Bro't that what are we trying shot? Don't do that.

(03:11:04):
We're talking about that, don't about talking about we connected. Listen, listen,
don't understand. There's a time to place for everything right.
Don't do that. A matter of fact, you're not gonna
do that. You know what. Let me tell you why
you're not gonna do that, because this is a public

(03:11:25):
forum for sure. Don't listen. Man, you're not gonna do
that because I'm not what I'm saying. What this boat.
You're not gonna do that. Don't do that, because we
do that. I look at something to play with like that.
He said, turn out ship. He's and you're trying to
allee you. But don't do that. I an't understanding. I
am trusting because I don't understand that. I was gonna

(03:11:47):
think about us this. We all gotta stept the all
flows like me, like me, like me. Um, you know,
when it came time for me to reach out and
certain things, and when no one didn't reach out back
to me, I would not that me. There's nothing wrong
with that. It's that's that's that's exactly when. So what
I'm trying to say is but let's just say it's

(03:12:09):
just say it. Had you've been accessible at that time,
I might have not been able to reach out. Had
you been accessible at that time, we made you listen.
Maybe I'm gonna think we're we're great where we are
as completed. So we're saying moving forward. It wasn't say
I was saying moving forward. I wasn't accessible because there

(03:12:31):
was a time where we shouldn't have been accessible to
we might have said some things that have made me worse.
Let's keep it Blienbury. We both needed time for certain
things at that time. Just keeping a green man time.
Yeah I needed time. Okayverybody need time. But bro moving
forward for REALM who can't see any time I'm not

(03:12:53):
to be called I'm pulling up and you know I'm
gonna even pull up even I don't like to hear
this type of ship good. It's not true. And I'm
gonna fight for every stand, so make sure when you
throw a stain you're willing to really establish it was
at stake. But I'm what did you stop with? Tragic?

(03:13:14):
What did you start with starting that? And where is
it going? But that's what's the You always received what
you say. He just says you say. No, Let's let's
say at my point if the point is not not

(03:13:34):
not about disappearing, it's about like you know, engaging and
being and being active. You listen, the reason why this
all happened is the way you came to me. And
when you rolled it out, you had a vision everything
straight up and and you dropped. Listen, listen, let finished,
let me finish. Listen, right, don't er people like that.

(03:13:56):
I'm not saying that like that came over that, but
I'm I'm talking. I mean, I'm not don't I don't
do that. Don't do that. I didn't know what. I
don't do it. You're not don't don't do that. I
don't do that. You don't do that. It is that
you're needed. Yeah, you're needed. That's a great way to

(03:14:20):
put it. Great way, don't great, great morning and you
need you? Yeah, gets a great way to put it.
You you you can challenge me and you can met
it verst and you can wear three in he was doing.
He was problems like you're needed. I'm like, yo, trying
cool cool. Let me bring it on you because now
that you' bring it on yourself, we bring it on you.

(03:14:41):
You let me do you The reason why? The reason
why is is that what he said at that point.
I couldn't compute it you, chill. I don't want to
make it about anybody could beat I can't communicate and
I couldn't say, yo, Slim, I need your help. Na's
just cooling me to get him the firm. I don't
can't relate to that. I don't know what to call Chill.

(03:15:03):
You wanted us to prove it on us to prove
and when I reached out, I was I had no
one else to call. Told I don't want to say
what you said to us well last time I spoke
to you, But I'm not don't do that right now,
will I'm not I'm not doing I know what I said.
I'm not doing it. I'm ready to go both faces
take both faces, and I remember I asked you to

(03:15:25):
come with me to l A. I could not get
your No. I never said that your fo. What I
saying was what I side came to me out of
nowhere in here, man, speak to me for months. Let's

(03:15:45):
way around. You wouldn't get speak to me for one.
You want to lead, Now you gotta understand, you will
not understanding. Wait a minute, our medium's gone. Yes, agreed,
you want to really like? Come on, man, I don't
want to. I don't wonder what you like. I'm gonna
be here. Come on, I'm done. I'm not the sort
of things I'm not gonna saying. I'm looking at I'm
not doing that. I'm not doing that. I'm not nothing.

(03:16:07):
Slap me. And you was not speaking son the last time.
I mean you stop speaking. You said some amazy ship
back then. You took about twenty five years. Listen, but
you're talking about tree five years ago. Okay, when you
said you called me, was like, yeah, I want you
to come to me, to l A. There's a reason
why you Okay, I didn't hear that. Maybe maybe I
didn't give you anybody. But let me just say something

(03:16:28):
to say back then, I couldn't reach you back then,
when I couldn't reach you for telling me you want
to leave? Why would I don't want to? Right, I'll
let you. I'll let you talk first. I like, I
don't know. You gave up your opportunity. Okay, I got one,
but hear me. I'll here's what. Here's what I'm trying

(03:16:49):
to say. It is so wet, wrap up. Here's what
I say it was back then, I wanted, I wanted
to reach out and when the reach out wasn't available,
That's how I took it. Now, I might have been
describing it in the wrong way, but there's each of
every individual here that has a trashy adopted You know how?

(03:17:13):
You know how? First of well, don't do that. You
know how disappeared on you. You have a disappear on me.
Don't do that. Wait time, I stop, stop stopping. Then
don't magnify the trash disappearance if you're wait a minute,
when the movie disappearance eat on the other side of

(03:17:34):
tan you bro. But the difference with trans this, I
just don't bring that up. Lord as I get you.
When I get you, now, what's what's the what's the
bigger picture up? Don't do that. We're talk listen, stop
doing that to me. Keep you keep because you don't.

(03:18:00):
I don't do that, bro, I mean because you know
how wants you're saying, it's the first time. I oh,
don't see that. Take a baby, I would ever laugh
telling it's beautiful. She gotta be say we just please.
This is all that's all tracks. Tracks. You're taking a
way to go. I'm playing around most of the ship.

(03:18:21):
I'm playing around. But don't play like that because I'm
not playing because you are playing. That's confused. It's still
don't take its confus See, I don't know, I don't know,
don't know like this wanting none of the table on,
tap on my leg, this stick and kicking my want.

(03:18:44):
That's how you're doing this ship. I love you. I
try it crazy man. That's how felt like a tour
part I just when coming age. Hell yeah, and you know,

(03:19:12):
you know most of the parts. Playing around, but I
think about it is what made the greatest, the whole
collective for you know, as much as I can say
around and I can say, yo, you know what, it
wasn't a poem. You know, me and Trash wren't connected.
It wasn't trash, Me and Neil weren't connected. It wasn't
trash men. Um, Martin wouldn't connected, uh, and then made him,

(03:19:38):
and then Gino felt like even though I would made him,
and generally you know what I mean. You know, you
know I did it opposite way. And we can say
that because we can say that all day long, but
it's it's really the collective that made it something special. Um.
You know, as I was making the War Report, did
I think I was making something special? No? I knew

(03:19:59):
I was making some of that was unique. I didn't
know who was gonna stand us at a time. The
twenty five years later, I'll be still sitting here totally
separate gigs, totally separate world, and be sitting here big

(03:20:19):
in it up to these people, and I'm thankful for that.
I'm grateful for it. Is it perfect? No, I think
we proved tonight that it's not perfect. I think we
proved that. But we got someone who's on the bo
Report album. Yeah help us. We've always heard yeah, just

(03:21:00):
fed with up? Everybody with up? What's going on? Piece
of godna be else. I'm gonna be honest, um, and
I would like you. I ain't sitting him on either, yes, okay,
but I'm just now and I was a consumption that

(03:21:22):
as an emphatical now but but just because he's basically
god in case, one of the first people to show
CNN U outside of vodka. Right, in my opinion, what's
bostrack soundtrack studio? Was this sounds soundtracks? Yeah, I was

(03:21:48):
your soundtracks day. He had a wins line. I was
you had have red you had red Mind? In the
scream was your soundtrack your red Mind? And man, I
remember I was living in sound tracks at the back
with CNN was my favorite. Okay, the first rapine wasn't
wrack you had red Wine? And that we all because

(03:22:11):
I was hating that really chicken, I was just being
introduced to some flying Remember that's all. That driver's seat
was done in soundtrack. It was what you do Now

(03:22:33):
that's a unique to one on a street. Of course,
from from that, when you like that definitely wasn't soundtrack, No,
definitely soundtrack track. When I felt in love, when I
was expressing how much I loved that album, I was

(03:22:54):
living in soundtrack. That was already afterwards, me and Marv
was actually living in soundtrack. So that's a were not
We're not sound Yeah, that's the only stud I went
for that remember, making no mistake with that. I remember
my first four solo albums in that studio and tried
to do some of the fifth one in there. But
then they started to change the doing more movie scoring

(03:23:14):
television ship, and they wasn't facilitating for you know, regular album,
honest recording ship. They business started to get they would
generate more revenue from television and movie scoring. Time was changing.
But when we did Driver Seat, Norman told me what
studio to come to. I don't remember the studio fight

(03:23:36):
them out right, but you guys remember, But how did
you guys meet? Though? Before that, I don't recall what
the exact date was. I just knew, and I don't
recall how I just knew Teal when that record was

(03:24:01):
fucking me up. And the fact that Poem was in
jail and had such a presence on the album. I
ain't never seen that before, and the phone calls from
the jail cell on the skits and all of that,
that to me was a different type of camaraderie and

(03:24:23):
loyalty and love and it was refreshing and it was
it was It was interesting because I was like, yeah,
is this allowed? But I was saying, like, could you
actually be on the phone from the penut and then
the ship is on the record when you know and

(03:24:43):
jail they were called in everything, and I was definitely
wondering if there was repercussions for that. I had a
lot of questions, but I ain't really worried about anything.
That wasn't for me to worry about. If they wasn't
worried about it. They was doing whatever they was doing
and I was just yeah, spunging it up and I
was in love with it. And the way they sounded

(03:25:08):
on these records, it was was weird because all of
them sounded like it was similar but with different voice tones.
Tragic Pone and Norri had a flow pattern that no
one else was doing. It was like it was like
this uh see me, see me smarised me, like it

(03:25:36):
was this real like ship it was. It was. It
was like it was like the Snarley, I don't give
a fuck. I'm super criminal and I'm super unpolished to
what politically correct ship was and We're still active enough

(03:25:58):
to go back to jail. That's what they felt like, literally,
and that album made me call Chris and say, that's
the album that made me call Chris and say, nigger,

(03:26:19):
if you don't sign them and make sure that they're
on our team, I am going to be very angry
at you. I called Chris and harassed him about snatching
him up to be with Violator because Violator was the
strongest team at the time, and Chris and him was
already doing such a great job at getting me elite

(03:26:40):
niggers to be a part of the team, and the
more and more that the team got the greats at
the time, the volkon of us coming together just looked
super strong, and I just wanted to make sure that
our team was the strongest, just coming from being a
team player. I was always a part of groups, so,

(03:27:00):
you know, leaders and then Flip Moan and then Violated,
I'm like, Nick, I just want my team strong as
a momfuck all the time. Whatever team I'm with, they
gotta be the strongest team, you know what I'm saying.
So that was the perspective at the time, and for me,
I just was like what they was doing, it was

(03:27:21):
like nobody could work with it and no capacity. I
think I said, put a bogeye out in your face,
astray face that because he kind of said it too,

(03:27:44):
and he's off the No Bullshit DVD man Um being
speaking Bill, Bill, you know what it was for me?
It was like, you know a lot of dudes is
popping and everybody we went to they didn't no way

(03:28:07):
to support the movement. But she was popping. Smart than
you know what I think because you just said it
right there. But I didn't know all that about Chris
was smart because you saw the future coming, no question
you didn't. You could not be left out. Nah, And
I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe this, this talk

(03:28:32):
and the way that the talk, the talk and the
way that Queen's Bridge and left frac Ship. I'm not
even I didn't understand why they was talking like that.
It wasn't saying nothing that wasn't super different from what
any of us were saying. It was how they were
saying it. Everything had like this, Every ball had like

(03:28:59):
it was like down word it went downward as the
end of the back. It was like it was like yization.
It was it was like like it's perspective not yo.
It was so now. It was just like why these
niggas just talking like this and then you change, get

(03:29:24):
you away. It's like everything went from here to here
mind nig trashed in on me like this when I

(03:29:54):
was when I when I heard, I was like before sun,
I was like, this is I heard the same ship
you heard with that energy whatever it was, I was
like it was but she was doing it too, soar Flowers,
because let me just be clear. Let me just be clear.
When that happened underground, I would hear people talk about us.

(03:30:16):
I would hear people talk about our movement. No one
publicly ever coastack Yeah, no one public. You know it's
not let me say that, you can't hurt it. Yeah,
that's what hurt is official Coast Listen what I was
gonna say that's would hurt it because I'm not gonna

(03:30:37):
sit here. I'm not gonna sit here. I'm not hitting
down nobody. Don't down me. I'm not don't see it.
I'm not know what I'm saying. I'm not gonna say it.
Everybody I approached, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say everybody.
I'm not gonna say everybody approached that. But I closed

(03:31:00):
doors was love. But in the public. You gotta understand
something though about our city, right, which is an unfortunate
reality about our city when she evolved from the public
enemies and the llls and the run d m c s.
You gotta remember them niggas didn't have clicks and they

(03:31:24):
wasn't They just was trying to be the dopest niggers
to contribute to hip hop in a significant way. But
this is what I'm saying. See that change brought about
two things, the blessing of putting new artists on and
breaking artists and being an artist to do it. But
this is what I'm saying. Let me add on, being

(03:31:46):
an artist to put on an artist and break an
artist was a new thing, right, you help champion that.
What I'm saying is what also started to happen in
the process is code of ethics change. So now you
got artists putting on artists and it becoming a challenge

(03:32:10):
between the artists because you're not just an executive, you're
an artist too. It's difficult, It's very difficult because it's different.
Fact a lot of artists that's trying to be artists. Still,
while you can competitiveness, you can't the competitive nature of

(03:32:32):
New York Motherfucker's in particularly, I mean it's everywhere, but
in New York, right was also the death of New
York still having clicks. New York don't click up the
way everybody it's now. You know, if I signed, if
I ain't helping you, if you ain't signed to me,

(03:32:54):
that's what it became. So it's like, if I can't
profit from you, blow up. I'm not. I ain't fucking
with you, when that's not the way it's supposed to be.
If we the city, rep the city and not even
the city, just rep was dope because you ain't gotta
even be from the city, The rep was dope. O

(03:33:16):
T Genesis ain't from New York, but he was dope
to me. Rock did get a from New York. She's
from Jersey. She's incredible. To me, I don't give a
funk were you from because the way I was raised
was the goal at the end of the day, was
to make sure that our contribution to the culture was
a significant one. So contribute, keep doing your job to

(03:33:41):
advance and push the culture forward. Get your emotions and
your ego out the way. The greatest niggas that were
artists that became executives, and I used this one motherfucker
as an example. It's dre because he was an artist,
but Dre had no problem making sure he broke every

(03:34:04):
nigga from the first album Snoop, Game five, Eminem. He
he may not even work on any more albums after
the first one, but he'll make sure that first ship
is so phenomenal you don't even need to call them
no more. And the crazy ship is the crazy ship

(03:34:25):
is he does it so consistently that he could put
out one album every twenty years, that's the fact. And
at the end of the day, making such a stellar
success and such a significant contribution to the culture that
is comfortable with not even trying to compete. He's so
relevant without it, and it's bols up looks bigger than

(03:34:48):
everyone's and his bag still ends up being bigger than everyone's.
Not because he's robbing anybody, because he's not. He's out
the way he after the first one. So whatever you
do with whoever else that way that pockets sliced up
was between you and them. He ain't even involved. But
you you know, he's still you know the label that

(03:35:08):
is you're signed to. Yeah, whatever amount of albums that
gotta come out after that, that's still after math. He
get his cut because he's a part of that deal structure,
but you still make all your decisions that you want.
And he said, like this, but but but but with
that being said, it didn't matter if it was Eminem

(03:35:31):
from Detroit, Game from l A Fifth from New York,
Kendrick from l A Bus Rhymes from New York, Mary J.
Blige from New York that didn't come out, so that
we talked him out. The ship that came out, you know,
he delivered because of what was dope and it wasn't

(03:35:55):
about Nigga. I ain't helping you if you ain't signed
to me, And that's what's important. A lot of these
other cities you don't even know how to be signed
to each other, but they will rhyme on five albums
of different projects with each other to make sure they
keep each other up motherfucking right and jumping every video

(03:36:21):
and pull up to each other's shows and go to
the fashion shows together and they'll go to the each
other crab and it's it's beautiful to see that. And
that's the ship New York mission. Now there's a lot
of the newer motherfucker's that's doing that, and I'm glad
it's getting back to that. But fit like the crew

(03:36:42):
I love lift fit Nigger. Let's shout Davy, shout Joe, shout,
funk you me. And they're showing with that camaraderie and
that coming together to form a new voltron is about
in the current time and space. And it's important to
see that. You know what I'm saying. And I love
you know, Fabio moving and shaking the way he moved

(03:37:04):
when I loved. I have to show it over there
or six times straight I pulled up to that. You say,
you're not drinking, but we do know you just celebrated
your birthdays. A little thank you man. They get a
chance to build with the last time rest peace bis services. Yeah, yeah,

(03:37:26):
last time. I ain't really bear with you because yeah
you us with scritch and look how many with a
launched since bisch rest in peace because you know I'm
having about cooking the government and just it's not it
shouldn't be all about the money, especially if you're getting
the coming. No no, no, no, no no no, no
wait on wait, it's something. I love it. That's what

(03:37:47):
I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. I'm gonna listen
so late the bag by all means way so to
late the bag by all means, but also the back
come when when they see the value in the clean
of unity. Some tithing to bagg is not just a dollar,
but the bagg is a unity, and it shows a
greater false that I'm bringing that dollar. Listen, you eat,

(03:38:10):
it's clear you're eating right now. And let's put this
and compare with other cities like I'll see them. Ali,
you put an artist on the com up like you
did twenty five small years ago. Look, that's small and
it's times. I made that mistake. I'm gonna keep you
greenberry this time. I made that. I made that mistake,

(03:38:33):
good prodigy. I made that mistake with fifty you know,
just being fixated on my way of seeing things. But
that's very important to see tomorrow because where you're at
today could change tomorrow. And that's the artifact. And aside
from that, not out of fear, but no, man, the

(03:38:53):
culture is amazing. This ship save your life, all of
us exactly to save my life. Should know that fact.
It's saved your life. I know it for a fact.
We gotta support those if we feel them, but let's
not not feel them because they're not signed us and

(03:39:15):
we're not automatic. But let's question, don't pointing about the
bag that I'm talking about, right, is that it's important.
And as I get to these different times in my
way of thinking, as I continue to grow, I realized

(03:39:35):
that that ship is also used against us our love
and our passion and just doing ship because we feel it.
N I realized something a long time ago. Our feeling
and our love is the most valuable ship in existence,
and the only reason why it is even revenue to

(03:39:57):
be generated is because of our love and our passion.
And these niggers always been profited and capitalizing off of it.
And we'll be the last ones to profit and capitalize
in the same way if we ever do. And that's
a that's a valid point, that's making. That's what I'm saying.
Are you gotta get you gotta get paid for your value,
You gotta get paid for your test. Everything I'm gonna

(03:40:18):
get you. I'm gonna get you a perfect example. It
ain't nothing to do something as a slap ain't nothing.
And on the slop with the artists, right, you know, brother,
pull up, be like yo, let me get a verse
and you funk with that motherfucker and they hot too,
and give me a version return. Cool, We don't exchange

(03:40:39):
no bread, right, the equal values in the sense I'm
about to make the point that point, so we do
this because we love each other. Right, But then this
love appreciated by everybody that is getting the money, right,
they don't give a funk about that. What they actually

(03:41:00):
give a funk about is how they're able to monitor
and monetize and exploit that love because with all of
that love, that's gonna benefit everybody else. The niggas are
still looking at you and say, all right, well, this
is the deal structure you got with us, and based

(03:41:21):
on your expenditures here, no matter how much that's generated
as a revenue under this deal structure, and don't matter
how many records are sold based on what you might
have did as a deal, based on what you might
have agreed to signing do, you still might not make

(03:41:41):
no money. So so so what I'm saying to you
is that's the only part that gotta start getting changed,
especially because I think that that value that we think
of love like we undervalue in ourselves, that value of
love is not the monitor you know, like where we
should be getting, but it is, but it is. It's

(03:42:02):
the source of the monetary problem. We ain't doing what
we're supposed to do to make sure that we're the
benefactors as the source recipients. We're not the post that
we ain't post to be the last one to laugh
to the bank. If you even get a chance to giggle,

(03:42:24):
let alone laugh to the bank, nigger. That's all I'm saying.
If I'm coming in here with this brilliant creation and
I'm sharing it with somebody that I love, and they're
sharing that ship with me, we're supposed to be the
first ones to last, and we're supposed to be able
to allocate who else laughs based on not with discretion,

(03:42:46):
so we lived. Wait wait, that's deep. If we came
in right with that, then the people we're sharing it with,
if then that's reciprocating that, then what is it? What
I'm saying is it needs to change age based on
the way it's been. The way it's been is that
I just won continuing to be that after all of

(03:43:10):
this time and then ain't changing. Something's wrong, And who
is the fault of that wrong? It got to be
you at this point, because what I'm saying to myself is,
you know, as I'm celebrating this, this new cycle amount
of son I'm like, damn, you know, my mother would
be like your bust. You've been around, Yeah, you know

(03:43:33):
what the beautiful thing is of being around? How dangerous
I am now because I ain't learning as I go
along no more. I'm mastered this ship as I was
going along. So now that ship that I'm gonna apply,
it's gonna sting a little differently when I apply it

(03:43:53):
now because I'm the fucking me I get this ship.
I ain't Daniel San no more. Next So so so
that's the beauty of what I'm getting ready to do,
live my best life and apply it. It's like the
gods when they say knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. You Knowledge

(03:44:13):
is to look with listening observed. Wisdom is to speak wild.
The understanding is a reflection of knowledge and wisdom. And
it's the best part. Right wise, understanding the best part.
It's the absence of confusion pass a peace. Understanding is
the absence of confusion because it brings about peace. Of course,
you can't have understanding without the peace. You can't have.

(03:44:35):
You can't have peace without understanding. So this is what
I'm saying. When you understand, that's when you live in
your most peaceful space. That's when you're your happiest. That's
when you're the most potential threat because the motherfucker now
no part of me, Almighty, the motherfucker Now, No, we

(03:44:55):
ain't really able to fool list nigger the way we
used to. We ain't a able to take advantage of
the small funcker the way we used to. Sometimes that's
a beautiful thing, because motherfucker's respect that will find the
experience actually that much more pleasurable as long as they
come around respecting that ship that they know they shouldn't

(03:45:17):
play with the way they used to when we didn't
know better. So now that they know, you know, just
come to me and let's do this thing that we're
supposed to do the light way. See, the only time
it's gonna be a problem is if you know that
I know the funky way is something you shouldn't do.
But you try to bring the funk wey way around
me anyway, that's when it's wrong because now you're insulting

(03:45:37):
the intelligence, and you're insulting what you know. Even before
you chose to bring the funkery around, had the opportunity
to say to yourself, I'm not gonna bring the funky,
but disregarded that and still brought the fun cry. Now
there's a problem. It's a different kind of accountability because

(03:46:00):
see again, if we're gonna deal with the degree justice,
which is the tenth degree and it's a premuphabet is
the reward penalty for one's access it these So you
do the right ship, you give awarded for it, you
do the function, you get peenule. That's it. Just do
what you know is right, especially when you're dealing with me.
You're dealing with an normy, you're dealing with a track,

(03:46:22):
you're dealing with a poom. We're celebrating twenty five years
of CNN, right. The beauty of this celebration is the
motherfucker's you created. CNN learned so much that there's now
our drink Champs, right, Yeah, and the drink Champs came

(03:46:48):
about as a result of the function that they got
tired of dealing with CNN. You give me a So
this is what I'm saying. They are now applying the
mastered level of themselves. We need the dummies, that is learning.

(03:47:10):
As we're going alone, we're bumping out my head the
same way Nigga one or two of them speaking out
still stay different. And even me when I'm tired of
hitting my head like this man right, let me stop
winning in this brick roll burro when I could dig
into that ship climate go around the motherfucker going through
this ship hurt though, and I'm tired of that hurt.

(03:47:32):
So let me celebrate and be a drink champ man,
you know what I mean. And I'm grateful that I
was even able to be a part of becoming a

(03:47:53):
fan of some ship from its inception. Yeall did that
ship to me? I caused a whole piece of God.
I ain't gonna front. I used to ride around with
a few people. I used to play this ship all
the time, just to drive. Sometimes we would drive through

(03:48:14):
left racking queensbridges to see if what the funk we
was hearing was happening. I'm not gonna front. I'm like,
he's flatbush nigger. So ain't no hood too different from
the hood that I was raised in. But there's definitely
different aesthetics, and the ship I was hearing was a

(03:48:37):
little different, and I wanted to understand why when there's
so much sick that we identified with each other hoods
and in each otherhoods. What the funk got them sprinkling
the salt at this amount differently from how we sprinkle.
I was salt and ADOBEO and this pepper they see

(03:49:00):
and they food a little different. But this ship still
tastes banging. I'm gonna still pull up to the same
yard man spot to get that season and then left
rack in Queensbridge because they still got official yard nakers
out there, like they're doing Flatbush. They cook up just
might be a little different. You know what I'm saying.
I want to taste their ship or I'm coming through.

(03:49:21):
And ultimately, man, I didn't get to see nothing that
I heard on the records. Maybe I wasn't supposed to exactly,
because that was that was It wasn't supposed to lead
right there, right but but but but but but with
that being said, it made the desire grow that much more.
It's like absence makes the heart grow fonder. Right, So

(03:49:44):
the more I couldn't see it was the more that
I wanted to see it through the work. So the music,
the visuals, the freestyles, That's my point. I wasn't a postman.
I wasn't come a dude, I wasn't supposed to come
through at the time when the bullshit was happening. It

(03:50:04):
was another plan for me and I needed this beef.
I needed to be exempt from the ship now I
ain't needed to be in an eye of stone nagger respectfully. Yeah,
you know, I'm so so again. Man. Like I said,
I ain't sticking around long. I think I'm long winded
and not show my block. Everybody say something, you just say,

(03:50:34):
you know, being a part of this legendary you know
for twenty five years, which I didn't leaven though. It's
twenty five and it's not even until next month. So
let's just just just hold one, you know, earliest on,

(03:50:55):
you know, me me, me sitting back and me just
just just paying attention to what happened from the outside then,
because I know tragic opponent's gonna like till me for
this later. But you know, Queen's Bears is a very
privileged hood. Although you know they might be privileged, not

(03:51:16):
in a way that you guys think, but they had
imp shan they had you know, mally had pretty established
not privilege privileges, you know what established like that. I
like that a lot of people putting privilege man like, yeah, right, yeah, okay,

(03:51:37):
if you in Manhattan does not constitute Shane Rhymes moll work.
But I got to start to say that. They quickly no, no, no, no, no,
I got because Molly wasn't privilege. Molly work that constituted
ninety percent of hip hop for a certain generation. That's
not a privilege. That's work. I just gotta say that.

(03:51:58):
And and difference, you know what I agree, I agree with,
But let me just try to make the point that
I was trying to make, and you know, sitting there
and trying to to uh calculate and put together and
let's be clear because I want to I want to
want to be very careful what I say right now

(03:52:19):
because the brother mother speak about has passed away. H
One thing about Prodigy was he was a product of Queens,
but he's also a product of blowing down and a
lot of people from you heard Sugar Ones, a lot
of people you heard from what was then the Twitter

(03:52:42):
or then the Instagram. People was like he's from and
it differentiated him immediately because people were saying, wait a minute,
there's some people who say it when queens rid. Then
then some people say it from left back. I didn't
be that guy, not that what he did was wrong,
because I don't I don't know what he's passed away.

(03:53:03):
We can't ask him why he did what he did
or what he But I wanted to be different, and
I wanted to be I wanted to represent the people
who wrot up with me, whether they were proud of
me or whether they're like, he's just come back and
he's he's ship. I wanted them to still claim that too.
So what we did with the War Report was we

(03:53:25):
came in and we said we're gonna un uh. This
is my mother, my friend. Nowadays he says we're unapologetically black,
But we were unapologizically, unapologetically. We were unapologized. Let me

(03:53:47):
just finishing apologized. We were unapologetically. We were unapologetically to
War Report. We actually came together and then with these
people that's behind us, means all these brothers that was
behind the scenes. That's why y'all here, That's why um
y'all understood. Y'all understood this platform, you understood this body

(03:54:10):
of work, and you stood by it. And for that
for a person that, like like we were saying earlier,
I believe you said. Anybody we said, if you're not
signed me didn't fuck you. This is probably the first.
This is the first artist, not probably the excuse me,
M take that out. This was the first artist that

(03:54:35):
stepped up that I'm working with them. But then let's
just be clear, we got accused of some crazy shoot
out and said that happen, so that at that point
it was exactly the time to say, get the funk
away from U. But guess what not not not the
country like like for me, and I know how it is.

(03:54:59):
That's why. But you know what, I know the staff
of me, you love me, but it stabbing of me
because they know what I'm not. I'm not gonna say
it was politically correct all the time. And you know what,
no one can respect his contribution actually made a contribution
to be killing. That's why when he spoke, I didn't
really say so much. A lot of people would come

(03:55:21):
on and talk and I may that's my nature. You
don't gotta like me, like you said somewhere earlier, I'm
not here to be liked. I'm not. I'm not here
to be like. I figured that out a long time ago.
But when he spoke, I don't know if you noticed
the temperature change, because he actually showed up for me,

(03:55:42):
for us, he showed up. I want to set the
first I went to why I remember the studio? What
I really love about this moment y'all showed up for me.
I was really trying to help my artists only tell
me to rhyme on the record. Yeah, let's Spliff shine

(03:56:05):
like that's a whole of the thing. People ain't people,
but that's what I'm saying. Like I talked on the record,
You don't think I wanted to rhyme when that motherfucker
I was. I was frustrated that was so stupid of
Fife was not playing on that album Playboy, And I

(03:56:25):
was living with the b too while Spliff was writing
that rap, and I sat in the studio and I
was thirsty the black time. It's not even I was
on everybody ship at the time, so I didn't felt
weird to be told to fall back. But Spliff having
that moment meant more than me, just in the same way.

(03:56:48):
You know, I needed rampage to get on, and I
said puff and he's ramped on flaving Yard and said
Nika said all right, well the money I was gonna
pay you if you want to ramp on the record
that bad and you just gotta rhyme for free to Okay,
fuck it, I'm gonna make the sacrifice. I want to
put my niggers in position. So I thank y'all for

(03:57:11):
putting giving an opportunity to Spliff to be able to
be a part of a milestone. You were Spliff was
behind the walls in the same though, so dish. The

(03:57:32):
correlation of this ship is so crazy. I'm trying to
tell Yeah, and it's a different level of deep rooted.
That's beautiful. So thank you all for letting Spliff live
and and I love y'all direct relationship from behind the

(03:57:59):
wall to the street and our relationships separate from that,
our relationship before seeing in You know what I'm saying.
It's like I mean, it's it's so much moving parts
that brought the ship together again. Congratulations to the twenty
five anniversary. I'm gone thank you to like, um, yeah,

(03:58:45):
I'm the wrapper it up. But that's okay, post that's
what we h It was great. That was great. Let

(03:59:51):
me just be honest. Let be honest, man, um No,
I do I think everyone individually earlier, but this is
not it's not it's not like fully thank you ship
like at all, because this is this is real ship,
like you know, me looking at the history and me
looking at where everything has started, where everything is going,
and where everything is going to. Without this beginning, it

(04:00:11):
wouldn't have been anything. And I want to be thankful
to each and every one of your individuals participated who
took a part of it, even down to Raheem from
just saying you know, we're like the court on bloody
money to you know, you know, yeah that part too,
the budge pr budget, you know, to Trash telling us

(04:00:35):
to control the budgets and say, you know what, if
you guys keep you know, bullshitting your time in the studio,
it won't work out. And I don't know Geno Sam's
to some of those calls to Nail from being the
you know, the big balls from March from um being

(04:00:57):
the guy that was the go to guy and then
hiring the next go to guy. Uh, I can be
more thankful, you know, uh for everybody that's here in
the presence. I want to thank you all individually, you know,
I mean, you know, you don't have to go home
on anything that you know we still get drunk off camera. No,

(04:01:24):
But the thing is, Um, I wanted the people to
see the commodity. I wanted the people to see that
me and trash Um can still and we do that.
We do that every day, like when we speak to
each other's family. It's real ship. Um. He doesn't always
agree with me. I don't always agree with him, but
that's life. I don't always agree with Capon and Capone

(04:01:47):
don't always agree with me. But it's between us, me
and mar and me and man so on and so forth.
But you know, so forth. But but we've all been
able to do with each other. Pause and outside of
you know, the Warri port has been remarkable, and I

(04:02:08):
just wanted to thank everything for taking this time to
come back and just you know, salute this masterpiece. You
know what I'm saying, because I called her the master
is here. Here we are. You're gonna take the lead.
Supreme comes to you and wants to do a clothing,

(04:02:32):
they'll take it to go away. Ship is a masterpiece,
straight up, Yes, is a master I think that I
take Supreme nose how to see the value in something, yes,
which was already seen wait before Supreme. Okay, so let's
take one thing. Let's get up out of here. Um
let's start with you, man, say one thing and get

(04:02:53):
up out of the head. Whatever you want to say.
It could be more than one thing, I think. I think,
honestly this was for a moment of men and women
coming together to make something classic, not understanding what it
was at the moment, but we believed in something and
we came together and we did that. And to come
back together and circle back to that is impeccable. I

(04:03:16):
think that from the all the producers, the beats, the rhymes,
the different cadences, the flows from one left and the
shifty right on time trash, I mean, man on man,
this this is this is something special. I'm glad to
have participated in the small way that I did, and
to be around all of y'all and the circle back

(04:03:36):
to this was was dynamite. So I appreciate everyone. And
I went out to know if my kids sie fragging
Queen's raided the show when we remade the worry for it,
you know what I mean I did recently recently definitely
ahead Martin, let's say what you gotta say. No, all
all I have to say is really simple, man. Like

(04:03:57):
you know, I'm glad that I was, you know, put
in in the place God put me there at the
time to just bring this together traged for like you know,
just you know, having a vision. But I'm just glad
to just you know, be there at the moment to
help y'all see your vision right and just you know,
keep you know, keep moving things, you know forward. I'm

(04:04:18):
just glad I was there at the moment in time.
It was just a moment of time and space or whatever,
and then we just everything that's the world's collided, whether
it was good, bad, ugly, but we're here and this
is beautiful and I'm thankful that I was just able
to just put everyone in position to this move how
we need to move moving forward. As I'm not gonna

(04:04:46):
take your comfie, but I'm really happy, proud. I'm proud
of all of you, know you guys and what you've
done with your line because from twenty five years ago,
to see what everyone is doing with your families and

(04:05:09):
how you're affecting the culture, I'm so proud. And it's
it's a wonderful moment for me personally, and I'm really
happy to be here and I want to thank you.
It's just trying to say though, thanks for the you know,
the open arms of the brotherhood everybody. Yeah, you know what,

(04:05:29):
I'm now giving me my first official paid y'all he
set of yea, yeah, like I was trying to figure
it out at trying to figure it especially, like like
I was literally hustling, and it said I'm working to

(04:05:52):
record story and in turn that penalty and fast forward.
So you know, I just want to give thanks, and
you know, I think, you know again, follow your passion,
get productive and everything else to follow, and y'all just
keep doing what you're doing. And it's open door here, yo,

(04:06:13):
let's do it again. No track. I just want to
introduce my new album you only at the time, seriously, now, man,

(04:06:38):
it's been a lot of well paid lessons, man, a
lot of well paid lessons. Glad to see like, glad
to see like the vision come alive and even go
further than what the initial vision was. She'll called them flowers.

(04:06:59):
Know what I'm saying to reflex shop um, right and wrong,
up and down. I love everybody's shaving more. Don't play
with me, no more, no no, because I love you.
You know why, man, it's not easy to see these dudes. Man,
it's not it's not easy to see these dudes. But

(04:07:23):
to see these dudes like that's a brutiful thing. Man.
I'm proud of these dudes. I'm not here to validate nothing.
My stretch might be a little longer than yours or
anybody else said. Because I was privy, you're from the
beginning for And that's not an ego thing. I'm not.

(04:07:43):
He's and guard out. But so it's all to see
these dudes like not just Snory know we got drinks,
chance and all that. Even Poe for po lit, how
do you say or went to college? I don't think

(04:08:04):
you really mother first in Peach Baba Holly, what that
means she was mother? And what that really means? Man?
What man ship? Man? For me? I look at it

(04:08:25):
like this. I ain't have to take my brother with me.
He had to take me away him. So for everybody
saying you know, you know you put this together, you
did this, or or no, we didn't leave you nor
now we did, no pan of backness when we do
your main brothers, so all us, all us. I love

(04:08:45):
the twenty five, I love this, but each one of
your twenty for my mom's dad. Y'all sat up the flowers.
Y'all asked to pay for my mom's funeral. Y'all, y'all.
This ship in my ways, that penalty was was not
a regulabeor for me when I went to jail. It
wasn't for penalty. My mom's goed what three months before that? Yeah,

(04:09:08):
about set for me. It's different than ships. Different, So
you know I was. I wasn't totally alone, you know.
I mean, I'm the only child, no brother, no sisters.
My mom's died in all the house, my dad and
all motherfucker's, each one of y'all proved to me that
this ship is bigger than these flowers. It's bigger than

(04:09:31):
norious breaking in trag is bringing in me. This was
about a family. So I want to say this one thing.
I love y'all. Thank you my brother, thanking Mail, thank
you Mart, thank you him, thank you GENA especially fucking
game all y'all. Right, Now he held he needed it,

(04:09:54):
held you. I will cry, bro, we collect call. You
know I accepted the way down. Okay, I'm saying I'm
telling you something came visit me. I had a girl
at the time, he will make sure she flew from Atlanta,

(04:10:14):
flew up to the jail, flew back to Nigger. Was
never nothing that this brother right here. I said, Joe,
I need a funding Cherry Red s C four thirty cool.

(04:10:35):
He said that. I said I needed that ship, and
he said, you want to Cherry Red SC four dirty
cool night. And I said, because I had that fucking
picture on myself for three years, I want that car.
And I came home when I had the car, and

(04:10:55):
then he fucking drove me around for like two weeks
and said, wait, you can't drive me around to be
at w you have to say time the card right,
real real ship up the man, that's the real ship.
I would think, y'all man because of that Salehi, y'all,

(04:11:19):
this ship is different. So anybody was on the street,
everybody had their time. But the fucking notebooks were telling me,
this is your artwork, this is what do you want this?
The seals had no idea that I was getting fucking
artwork pitches or notebooks. They just wondering why I got
taped fucking black and white note what you're sticks on

(04:11:41):
the fresh sharts involved, Thank for me, thank you to me,
be it better right here. I was expecting. Man, you
are my friends literally through these sessions. I only had

(04:12:04):
two other friends that was literally through these sessions. Their
name was Brown and Staff definitely are well documented throughout
my My My music problem is Brown and Staff on
both step battle have to come on ste And it's
one other person who wasn't a part of our crew,

(04:12:27):
but it's a part of them. To the round Jay Rock,
we ain't going win in yeah yeah when yeah you
tell us your ye not your womanies one of one
of your great of y'all, let's y'all ago, let's yaller
one of your young memories of the war for that's

(04:12:50):
the studios, and they got the school. So many so
many yeah, sorry, so many. I remember like he was
do ye be good to grandmas and mother, fucking father,

(04:13:11):
shoot up broad got so many stuffs, remember too, by
kiss mother, my phone up years smuggling, give us some one,
give us once, give us someone everyone everyone else came.
But but in the steet I got one LAPPI stee,
okay tell and there's something abody else. So I don't know,

(04:13:33):
we know it's almost blow. We was just smoking me
brother steff me brother stuff we throw the white castle
and plays bullat Bard. So by tomorrow, by tomorrow like
cows be mad, sheeps like, yo, we're gonna borgy concept casting.
And I wasn't this bit that I was playing both

(04:13:54):
a little sim he was all skinny, so little summer,
you know, so being proud like slowing town selling skinny.
He's a skinny man, like about want to ahead, yo.
So like I dropped something on the floor, it's step
was eating one bite and throwing all this burgers on

(04:14:17):
the floor. Hold say something something thing, man. They go
like me and Bart had a problem before. And I
apologize like I was remember Remember I would funny. That's

(04:14:39):
a problem. I was a kid, And I apologize and
I'm sorry. I want to say something. Yeah, Man. As
a mixtape DJ in Miami, trying to trying to compete
with these mixtapes coming from New York, the clues, the
Tony touches, the s and s is and do wops,
all these guys, I'm trying to get like the most

(04:15:02):
underground ship that I can get my hands on. And
CNN was that when I was able the white label
of the L A l A and everything everything I
can get hold you and then I hear and there's
a Latino. I hear this guy throwing these Spanish words.
He's not throwing for the right ways, but pretty Spanish.

(04:15:26):
You know, we don't care. Just throw some Spanish working talking.
We don't care if Mago doesn't belong there. I was like, oh,
he's actually Pugan, but you know what speaking it's bad.

(04:15:49):
But that that just it just I love the War Report.
It means so much. And eventually to meet you know,
on the on the promo room for the War Report,
and then to be a part of like everything after that,
and then actually become a part of the street team
for Penalty and Tommy Boys, It's just it's just crazy
to me. And this is this is why we have simps, guys.

(04:16:12):
This is what drink Chance is that it's It's War
Report and it comes to Miami and we all connect
and then you have drink Chance. Before I'm gonna finish
it out, let me say one thing, because I never

(04:16:33):
get me for the flowers. I wish I had a
thing to give you when I first came home in
ninet made me feel so comfortable. You was five, get
about it was not even born. Mind, It's as you are.

(04:17:00):
Save absolutely to save people for nighty nights with you. Yeah.
That says a lot about your character. That says a
lot about your upbringing. That says a lot about dressing.
And I appreciate you. You know, I've got you right now.

(04:17:20):
It's about you push push push you right crazy there
you go? How many how many knights? Howse with y'all?
Y'all you're dirty things with you Charlie's games. Let's be

(04:17:41):
to things. Why did you say choi Johnny with Jollie?
You don't do that? Don't make me put you to
see that. Want to tell because I gotta tell out.

(04:18:03):
Even when I was quiet, when I was using what
should amazing? You kidding about me? The same like people?
That was stick your face everything absolutely nice stead he's
straight up with down Syna be fast. But I also
want you to thank you. Yeah, and you giving meat flower,

(04:18:23):
I'm talking about living out with living out. You're sign
here you saw doubly eat nan. I'm rubbing up that
eat that yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I think most amazing. Yea,

(04:18:53):
why do you wait a minute? What you did? I
go do? Couple Deceber fifteen, two thousand and fifteen, we
bumped into each other and we're talking this is New
Jersey and New Jersey Sheraton Hotel, and you said, yeah,
I'm I'm working on this, this podcast I got, I

(04:19:14):
got a food show. I'm doing this. It's not a third.
I was like, word, I yo, that sounds kind of great.
Let's dope, this's not a third. And to see seven
years later what you did, like literally, it wasn't like
you said, it's it's coming, but to see that it
happened to the degree that it did was impeccable. Brother.

(04:19:37):
So I just want to say, we gotta acknowledge you
for putting this together and making it happen. You. I'm
gonna do it, hawking. I'm gonna do this with it.
And I wanted, I wanted to stalk with you, but
I'm gonna do it even more with me. I'll off

(04:19:59):
from him whoo because him and his family had did
something for me. Come on that we're here. That didn't
that didn't even make sense when at the time was
I was known as the tough guy right played for

(04:20:22):
Aime High and then aim High fired and found out
found out was selling crack. What's aim High? Game High
is with Kenny Anderson and Kenney Smith like a program. Yeah,
I don't know, no problem. We we're gonna limit. Nick continued,
Get the motion, come on, get the motion of the

(04:20:44):
Papa Bottle brother over there. I feel like I feel
like it's your bout Mottle the first time, A special
special things over here. So I started and I started back.

(04:21:09):
I started, Yeah, so I started in. What happened was
aim High got rid of me, I muting fobb out
what I was doing. And it's like say that saysn't work.
It doesn't work out where I was a high, went
to Coney Allen and then they realized Coney Allen don't

(04:21:33):
have the same rule. They let their gangsters play on
their team. Was just except that Mrs Smith immediately came
back to the hood and said, you're back on him.

(04:21:54):
Don't care. I don't want to sound like that because
it made it sound like he cool. He didn't know
what I was doing, but he knew I want to
suck and he knew that he needed people. Was wasn't
suckers on the team when you're gonna play? And Marl Burrow,
that was all right, right, right stuff my mom holding Marf.

(04:22:21):
I just iris, whatever, little top, little soup you were
in back, go back to my hood. M and Brown
was walking and Whenbrel was walking, Yeah, gotta come hang out.

(04:22:44):
I ruined him. Needs life. One man was saying, cash,
you're not popping that at all like a champagne. I'm
gonna let shoot shot up. I'm not scaring hour Betty.

(04:23:10):
You shot. I think it's crazy. I'm bouting for you. Wo.
That was that was quick. Yeas one hurts. No, I

(04:23:44):
didn't hear them. That don't guy's fret boy, But I
didn't fight out here, be going to guys spend our
dj H. I think I stole it from you right
this week my dead. I'm not gonna thank you. So

(04:24:07):
just being honest, I feel like he was using him wrong.
Chip was using I'm not doing that. Come on, it's
really pretty dry. Yeah, he just wanted to pick up

(04:24:29):
pop your girls. Keep it real reasons, listen, keep it real. Yeah,
when he met you, ill keep putting Miami and we
live with week together. This terrible. It's kind of listen,

(04:24:49):
what's keep it reacting? You back home? He just wanted
you to chick. That's that's that's what, that's who we
all say he's just the ball like mass te. Yeah,

(04:25:17):
you believe in me and asked me up feeling in
one day. But he also left you when he didn't paid.
He didn't paid. This is where story like it. But
who answer your text messages? I love what the hell
can answers? You know, I don't talk about pol I'm

(04:25:40):
talking about general. I like text messages. I like you
see what are we? The way may you was what

(04:26:00):
you want to ReOC You remember a reno? It was
a set up. Jermaine Debreen name was djamb really straight?

(04:26:23):
How take it, bron But by the way, this is
this is let me be honest, neither be first time
we all were approaching a number one record, getting there
and Jermaine Debris says, I'm remixing the record. Your record
is just Jamine's gonna remix super He says, it's the nil.

(04:26:48):
When I'm at the ball and you know at this time, Jermaine,
we have Jamaine the remix remix at that time. But
I don't want no one to remix on record. I
want these type shirt nudes, but these chokers, I want
them to do the remix, but I can't tell us
to deal all the time, He's like, glory, perfect ship

(04:27:09):
that you made the bread into the remix. But I'm
looking like the mo and then let's give him my
father my dog curry on Neil Schmart, you got a
little bit. First time that yeah, I was so like no,

(04:27:34):
and then the next I don't remember. Remember this, y'all all?
Remember this? You made the prisons little remix. It's a
super dug put the brat on it? Yo? Who has
that remix? Nah? Mah, your how are you? I can't.

(04:28:05):
I would come in here. I listened to that ship.
When I can here, I was like to show the stuff,
and I'm like Teuta the way I just put that together.
I described it as if I was offended from the

(04:28:27):
brat in Jamaine. Remis wasn't offended. I just mentioned Rema
REMI else and I can't remember who it was. It
probably wasn't. No one here who rob the remixed, But
everyone else was like it wasn't and it was your

(04:28:52):
I don't remember it. Did your man remember it? And
that never? No? Tell me what the cad to Sall
River track it was. I don't know because when you

(04:29:20):
got that box and I would away, I love the
corn doing I was like me in the pre fat
and I love him to fight, don't know. It was
like we were nothing. You don't it was really real.
It was. It was really a car. I'm in the

(04:29:43):
car heading to do a cart. I was drinking Brady
straight and we called him Moisius. And I can remember
me just listening to it and just say, and by
the way, I love what stuff but no, but you
know know stuff. I went further. I was versed it

(04:30:07):
disclosing exactly who knows you? Well? You do, but at
the time Superdog is so big that they could have
easily manipulated me. Said, probably you don't know the story.
Y'all do know the story because y'all was there no
record for the record. So then that happens. I paid

(04:30:32):
for thee It was yos like this guys and gives
us a new version of super Dog and my middle verse,
which I love what's gone and the practice in there. Wow.
And I listened to the ship and I was like,

(04:30:54):
holy shit, I'm about to be commercial. I think I
think the brack killed it. I want to hear it. No, no, no,
killed it. But it just remember, wasn't aligned of what
we were doing. I think you said that earlier what
we were doing, and I was like, they fell victim.
I said, we didn't put it out, except you never

(04:31:14):
wanted out and you always said you don't want it,
and just happened. I didn't want it, and for years
I thought you made the creation. You probably probably he
was no, no, but but he went to remind me
like I hated you. He probably was upset. I would
see it when he was like, you ain't take my remix. Motherfucker.

(04:31:35):
He was shot. You know how big is made weird? Yeah, people, Yeah,
you're right, party only. But Jermane Donna, I was saying,

(04:32:04):
I was telling Nil that we flew down. Remember Card
did two records with Jermaine, so I flew down with them.
But Koda and Nelly at the time, so we flew
in dirty. He plays the record, plays Nelly to Jermaine.
Jermaine's like, yeah, he's cool. No, no, no, because meanwhile

(04:32:25):
went down there in Jamaine has Ferrari. Here's like ridiculous whips,
like bowl of car keys of like before the bow
of the car, ridiculous at the time, ridiculous, crossing radio.
It happened ridiculous and then he passes on Nelly and
he does these records for this is Jermaine. He passes

(04:32:47):
on Nelly, he does. But watch this as we're driving down,
We're like, wow, that's crazy. Who's whose house is that.
They're like, oh, that's a Vanda holy Field. It says
Avanda holy Field Way, and its mile that's Rick Ross's correct.
Probably that he bought was the name of it was
promis Land. When I tell you miles land and property.

(04:33:12):
The property was made in the back like way down
there and wild property. And Jermaine was not too far
from that. He had a he had a crip. He
still lived there too. Oh ridiculous. So at the time
he we presented Nellie and it's that not we but
coulda presented Nellie and this to learn correct And he said, no,

(04:33:34):
I'm not sing with him. And at the end of
the day, Nelly y'all obviously got signed blew off the
third crazy crazy Yeah net least fingerpop everything, Everything all
comes back to everything, alter ending of everything. Nellie not quick,

(04:33:58):
that's a little more to live on her couch. Dream
chain was a fairytale. Finger Pupping is the ending popping
listen man pop is a great thing. Fig But we

(04:34:21):
know Fi, I just want to say it one more time.
We reiterate everything, Oh Warri pass from so much success
and so much joyous, so much whatever whatever that where
we're here right now, it's a result of it. I've

(04:34:46):
never I've never made this album and said, you know it,
twenty five years later, I'm gonna be able to Spanish
block listening to the flock because I just feel like
the Spanish music playing right behind it. Part bears everywhere.
Twenty five years later, with this, their trash fund up

(04:35:08):
with this we signed up for five years ago, we
all did. But you know what, ah, I can especially
thinking trash, you know, for putting up for both for
us prior to y'all being professionally being able to put

(04:35:30):
up for us. But we're here and very thankful everything
I went through, even the bad ship, the good ship,
the medium ship, that's you, you know, the ship in between,
like my whole and that little area is okay. Man,

(04:36:03):
all been watching the football game and just scare usc
fantastic say that. I'm not very serious. Man, Who do

(04:36:23):
you watching basketball? I don't. I don't watch basketball. I
watched no I watched basketball. I watched listen guy basketball
coming in. But what I'm saying is, I'm very, very
very thankful. But everyone who've been here, everyone who's Kaman,
everyone who's a part of this album, because um, it

(04:36:50):
truly is legendary. Mark speak on my life, legendary mark
a lot of people's life, not just all. I had
no idea talking about shooting somebody in my projects selling

(04:37:10):
drugs to the person's art twenty five years later when
we considered art, because I didn't put it in in
the foul way. I put it in the artistic way.
And it's beautiful. It's beautiful for being seeing what everyone

(04:37:31):
has done their life leaving this coming back and again
I'm thankful. Thankful my partner who was a fan of
it prior to me meeting him, we didn't know me. Uh.
Thank you for my DJ butch Uh who was from

(04:37:56):
the other side of Queens and said, these guys are
took about everything they're talking about because he knew exactly.
Thank for for one of my closest friends who was
a basketball player, who I probably sucked up with your
basketball career a little bit, like a little bit. And

(04:38:19):
then you know, you know what I'm thinking, my other,
my other partner because the moment we met each other,
we really just locked in. It was just like, you
know what, fuck it, We're going do what the fun
we want to do. And we did it, and we

(04:38:40):
continue to do it. You're kind of doing it more
than me. You keep doing them. Ship. I'm like, why
you cant to you let me about your life and
you you know the same ship with you. I got
a question this guy saying with you know, you know, um,

(04:39:08):
at one point, I can remember you learning the game,
then you you venturing out, and then when you learning
the game when you're home, then you know what's the game?
It was two different things. Yeah, it was two different
things that you learned in the game when you were
supposed to learn the game, and then when you learn
the game when your own And from Paul to Asap

(04:39:29):
and for me to see your transitions, for me to
see how calm and how collective you are now it's
a beautiful thing. And I salute you know. We always
want to give you more of your flowers than you deserve,

(04:39:52):
because everyone here has said it. You know, we didn't
we we didn't kind of know you was like the
oracle back there. In fact, that's that's who you wind
up being you, wind up being the or anybody who's
sort of matrix. It was the art was a bad mother,

(04:40:13):
good way in a great way, great way because you
got you got good dog and the being. That's who
you are for that's who you are. And we love that.
I thank you, We love that, and we continue to
love that. We continue to embrace it. Whether it's in

(04:40:37):
your face or not in your face. Everyone comes around
and says, you know what, Yeah, it was right. He
might have been cheaty rights be responsible, responsible, So it's

(04:40:58):
good that same responsible I tried. I tried to do
a whole another record label. I try to make a
whole other name. That my only thing that they said
about me, said they I couldn't tell the thing, but

(04:41:27):
I said, say he was sack. I keep playing about
and I couldn't. I didn't want to call you so much,
And then you called me that day. He was like,
the man, but do you want to be at the
Hip Hop Museum? I was like, just come to see me,

(04:41:51):
because it was that same day Martin Mom. Moving on
to you, Marian, I wanted to see you. I want
to hang out with you. I wonder we generate everything
that we did what makes me even more proud. What
is tonight? She brought your wife? Hey man, you want

(04:42:21):
my sign works here, but all my sons work for
me somewhere. It's abound, but working for you because they're good.
Are you paying them? Probably? I pay everybody keeps out.
I pay the light. I don't even know why, but
I but you know you to bring your family. I

(04:42:45):
mean that in the world to me because you know, um,
everything that we all went through all have better, right,
a great memory. Yeah, for you to come you feel

(04:43:05):
so okay made me feel like, you know what this
is where we're supposed to move on to. Where we're
supposed to go on to the next chapter of our
life is our family. Is supposed to know our family sure,
like like y'all y'r wife supposed to go coming out,
get a bag or get a meal with my wife

(04:43:28):
about calling up what I love about me and Fat
Joe's relationship. I don't think me and Fat Joe's ever
been on the phone. That's podcast our wives just told
to me. I don't know why we think we get
ambinos ship, but I actually enjoy it. And that's where
me and you just go back for sure made him

(04:43:55):
was ironically because when Martin left you kind of like yeah,
you was, yeah, stay, that's why you got hold all
the deaths. I've looked. I looked. I was like, yo,
what's the word for that? I think was that it's
a mos here some else, which was real, right, because

(04:44:22):
that's real because if you think about it, if you
were just Head for the worrid for very next album
is r correct and if you listen to the r
E skits, it's malfit as to me, it's you and
Jungle straight up. A lot of people don't know that.
And by the way, I bumped into with Jungle, with

(04:44:43):
uh Andreesian Horrowitch with Ben Horwood, whole other thing. It's
crazy there. But I'm at dinners and events and it's
that Dirk with Ben and his family and feat your
home into so Fie Horwitz and and meeting and that

(04:45:03):
the double doubling back with Jungle, Like remember when we
did to start a third and remember I called you.
We was at the dinner. I was like, Yo, you
don't in the dirt. So I say that to say
proud of you, thank you, because through the grape vibe,
it wasn't through just the Worridport through the grapevine. Everybody said,

(04:45:24):
you know, I'm good your man, it's doing No, I'm
good this guy. I'm like, no, because luckily I'm doing
great myself. I'm just going to tap in man made
him is doing But at the time, I know the
norms and they didn't do that. Then then people start
calling you Greg and I said, to your first or

(04:45:53):
last name, you did and I was like, what I was?
I was, I'm so proud. I'm not not I was.
I am so proud, and I'm so proud of this
gene of just us being able to sit here and
maintain this um camaraderie that's right, to be able to

(04:46:15):
continue to represent the Worrid for it. I remember me
Um sitting there with one of our producers, no producers,
ask him, well, are you going to do a concert
for it? And today's episode confined that I would definitely
doing one concert. Now my leggers fucked up. We'll figure

(04:46:38):
it out, like they're just going to the studios. Shouldn't
under right, Yeah, I ain't gonna lots don't really. I

(04:47:05):
could literally write it fast like radio. I would write
the real ship. But the thing you think you ain't
gonna do that. Listen, listen, but but what but but
but real ship? Because I want everyone to know that, Oh,

(04:47:29):
everything I said is not play around everything. It's really
to live and to do it and to help with
frags said earlier. Do you say you want to do
it again? As I would love to do it again.
I would love to do it again in a version
I can do that studio. So I'm going to behind

(04:47:53):
his brother, Like is the right spot different from me?
You got to be in the city. They're gonna need
the city to run. It just comes this difference that
you gotta be in the city. You gotta be you

(04:48:15):
want to go, but it's crazy street ninety guys, wat y'all,
don't York a talent watching? You gonna mark read the
beat anywhere and pick your beat and go somewhere, right, Picky,

(04:48:35):
you gotta pick the beats in New York and be
angry because I don't do it to do what produces
next schools in the hood. Let's do what we do it? Ship,
You do that day, I gotta high out of the
next year, the next in the Yeah, I'm gonna doll.

(04:48:56):
Don't you help talking to you? It's just gonna. Let's
go to s Let's go. I've been ships all your feet.
You know I got you. No, No, I'll never go back. No, guys, Toronto,

(04:49:26):
I think it's a good place. You gotta do. Yo,
we gotta go back to Power Play Man. Come on, man,
they still got the reels, EP and d reels on
the floor. Man there, let's go get a minute in
the museum. You see how I roll. Let's come on.
That's why we should looking it out. Already got him

(04:49:47):
because I want to go to bell Are Man's they
go there. Let's go like a picture of Thanks for
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