Episode 372 w/ AKON

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:53):
I want to listen with this guest that we're about
to introduce. The last time he came on our show,
he said, brothers, we gotta go back to Africa. And
it seems like since then, people are going back to Africa.
They going back to Nigeria, Ghana. It's so many different
places that we gotta go. I know you've been to
South Africa. Well, uh, this man, we just went through

(01:17):
his disciography and when I tell you he got hits
upon his like, he almost reminds me of the Seal
of this generation. You know how Seal no one, no
one gave a fuck with what race Seal was. He
just made the best music and everybody said, Pucket, you
roll with Seal. Goddamn it. He is the Seal and

(01:37):
this generation. He got the illes hair cut in the
world right now, hit after hit, when my first time
going to Africa, I'm going with him? I see he
just went with Earn your lesions.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Did y'all go to Africa?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Actually Africa? Oh wow, we're gonna get into that. We're
gonna get into everything. But Casey, I don't know who
we told about. We talking about the one, the only
motherfucker car, the eight car. It's you know, it was
very interesting going through the discography and I'm listening to
Locked Up right because when I googled you, one of

(02:15):
the things that popped up was they said you was
a professional card and you kind of set it on
Locked Up just now said you said my car is.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Ain't gonna registration. You know you were.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
But because when when you google you, that's actually something
that comes up that says that, yeah, I believe you
said it on a different platform. So you used to
this is a new Jersey imagine.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
New Jersey drive drive.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
So what happened? Someone come up to you and say,
let's just because because you're a sophisticated car still like
you wasn't like popping ship. You was changing the serial numbers.
And she's like that is that true?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
It was a.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Just expect that every time.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
How did that happen?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, getting back to the past, it was like I
was never the kind of person when it came to
some you know what's interesting, Like I think I say
the word that I was. I kind of used the
excuse that I was surviving because it made me feel
better about it.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
But that was nothing for me to about.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
It was nothing really for me to survive because my
parents was actually really wealthy. You know, we lived like
I was, and I was living in Jersey. We lived
in a three story house, just me and my older brother,
you know what I'm saying, So we have a house
to ourselves now when I think about it, we were
just bored as hell looking at something, you know what
I'm saying. But what was interesting was as I started

(03:58):
watching a lot of my homies, you know, they selling
drugs and I didn't understand, like, why such hard labor
for no money? These niggas would be like on a
corner rain seat, sleek hell Snow. I was born in
Senegue in St. Louis Louis, Saint Louis, but then I
was raising Senegal.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Raised, Yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
I was.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Were you there when I was a Senegalgue from birth?
What was borron in Senegalue? I mean Saint Louis shipped Senegal.
Then when I was about seven and eight, that's when
my mom and pop brought us back to the States
to go to school, and every summer we would go
back to Senegalue.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Wow, So he wanted to pretty much, my dad just
wanted to make sure he was all born in the US.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
He's always fought with thinking since then.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
He wanted to have a US pastor.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, he wanted us to be a citizen so we
would never have immigration issues. So he was always thinking
about the future, you.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
So when I came here, just it was just a
matter of adopting. And I think a lot of my
choices came from just wanting to be a you know,
accepted amongst the crowd. So that's how I got caught into,
you know, all the things that I got caught into,
including cars, because cars made me feel special.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
You know, I was young. I can drive into the
most elite vehicles.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
And then I read with the you know, the scenarrative
that I was an African prince, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
So he was using that back then.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah, after coming to America, Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
that's a motivator.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, I was working at this barber shop man, and
you know, I met this Jamaican dude that was like yo,
you know, you know, he was in the cars and
I was like, man, every time I see you in
a different car. And one day he's like a rude boy,
let me show you something, you know. He took me
to the spot, took me.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
I was like wow.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
I was mesmerized, and I was like how much of these?
He was like twenty five hundred dollars apiece? I said
what how is that? And he showed me the whole layout,
and before you know it, I just copied and paste and.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
So now, yeah, well, now like literally every other month
now I would come to school in a different car
and they was like yo where you know. I was like, heah,
I'm an African print and they believe it because of
the weapon I was driving. And so then I said,
this could be something, you know, that I can actually
make a career out of. Now that's how I'm thinking
back then. So I was just trying to figure out
the best way to do it. Then that's when Atlanta

(06:12):
hit me because I was getting out of high school, graduating.
My mops and my mom's in Atlanta because my dad
was a professor doing culture exchange at Clark Atlanta University.
And that's when they just had the Olympics going over
there with Freaknick and everything, you know what I'm saying.
So when I went out there, I saw all these
just young black just really successful black people. I ain't

(06:34):
seen that many black people successful in one city since New.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
York, you know what I'm saying. It was even Africa.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well nah, because I wasn't there long enough to understand
what that was at that time, you know. So, but
so that was just different. But I saw a lot
of new athletes coming out, a lot of artists out there,
and then everybody was driving. So I was like, this
could be the spot you know. So that's where I
just set up shop in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Driving it was looking for it.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I'm like, y'all paying three Well, at that time, one
hundred one hundred fifty thousand was probably the emotional pay
for a car, but those was even the super high
line because at that time even ninety thousand dollars was
a lot for a Porsche.

Speaker 1 (07:12):

Speaker 3 (07:13):
So if I can get it to you for like
ten grand, you know you.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Was legit into that? Oh no, I was.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
It wasn't like a past sign for a teenager to day,
it was.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
No.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
It became a real It became a real occupation for
me because I started finding ins and outs, like most
people will go out jack people for cars, and then
of course me, it was always the biggest profit for
the less jail time. So I started studying the law
and I realized, man, joy riding charge is a misdemeanor.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
You get out the same day.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
But the only way you can get hit for a
joy riding charge you actually have to have the key.
So if you actually have the key in the car,
it's considered.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
The joy riding. So I was like, if I can
just get for kees a car exactly secrets other people
still tell you.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Now the stuff back then you can't even do it today.
Now you got a navigation, you got on all you
got cars on your phone, you could track your vehicle.
So it's like, you know, so the so the crazy part.
So what I ended up doing was I started going
to the dealership and start peeling keys and pretty much
what that means, like, you know, you're just going if
you see a key on the table, you just grab that,
bad boy, go to the bathroom, hit the click, see

(08:17):
which one opens up, and if the car light up,
jump in and.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Pull out right at the dealer.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
At the dealership, because you understand, car dealerships is mad
busy all the time.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
They're not even thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
They see you in a car pull out, I think,
do you think you test driving or something? Well, you
might have just purchasedtomer.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
So after a.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
While they start seeing my face come through all the time,
they said, well who So every time my face got
burnt out. Then I had to get another car dealership
to go to.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
But then after while it was only but so many
car dealerships, and I had to find a whole new method.
Then I start hitting the valet parking. That's what the
business was because.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
He was putting the valet jacket on. No, okay, that
was a great hold.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's a great idea. It actually ain't.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, it really ain't because what happens is clearly like,
first of all, it's not it's not easy to get
up valet.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Jacket that matches the car that you're doing. That's the one.
They know each other and they all know, so they'd
be like, Yo, who are you the cabinet right now.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
With your jacket? All right?

Speaker 3 (09:23):
So I took the I took the diplomat diplomatic approach.
I said, you know, let me just negotiate with these days, yo,
how much, like do you actually make? How much are
they paying you? They was making like, you know, fifty
dollars a week plus tips.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
And I'm like, well, even with tips, how much you
actually make? They said, well, pulling off maybe two hundred.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Dollars a week.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
I said, all right, cool, if I give you one
thousand dollars a week, one thousand dollars a week guaranteed,
you just give me the spare key of any car
that got a spare in it.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Wow, And you don't take it there you take it
where they go away.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Boom. If you can do that for me every time
you get just give me.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
A call and all I.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Need is the key and a piece of male out
there with an address. Wow, that's all I needed, so boom,
they would get that to me.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
I just wait, maybe a week two weeks later, pull
up late night, carby park right.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
There in the front, jump in out and that was it,
like it was a real business. But then don't forget.
You still have to get the paperwork done for you
gotta get vend numbers and all that. But so the beginning,
you're just selling hot cars. You get caught, bros. Drive
your own risk, all right, the car's only five hundred
dollars though, like just these are squatters, right, But then
once you build a bit of money, create them pawn shop.

(10:30):
I mean, I'm the what do you call it?

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Chop shot.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
So then I had a chop shot where I had
some Mexicans over there that was super dope cars. Mexicans,
you know, big up to the Mexicans. They would chop
it up for me. Change the serious numbers. Then I
had to get it registered.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
This where the finesse has to it has to come back.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
So I would go to DMV and I would just
look for the most vulnerable, insecure, overweight check.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
I about to go to hell.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
So you know, but you know, you know, you just vancessar.
You know, take out to eat set the dream. You know,
you just dangled the carrot dough. You never beat, you
never hit it.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
You just always make her believe that one day it's
gonna go down.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
And she is just doing anything for you. So I
was like, look, baby, you know right now I'm going
through some things. You know, I got a few vehicles
that I got, but you know, they ain't paid me
for it just came off the truck. She was completely
dreamed like Green didn't have no clue. I just need
you to get these registered for you man. You know,
every time I sell one, I just give you some
money out of it. And that's all it took.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
And before you know what, every.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Call we got shopped it, got it registered. Then now
we're in business. By the time we started selling Atlanta,
it wasn't not nobody that was coming through Atlanta wouldn't
getting cast from us.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
But let me ask you, how if you ever got caught,
how would you get caught? How would the police.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Well, that's the thing, like, I okay, and that was
a mistake that I made, Okay, but normally I wouldn't.
I never really get caught because I always went through middleman,
so I was just a supplier and I would give
it to the purpose that would go out and sell
it out. My only rule was don't sell squadners to
dope boys because that's how you get fucked up. Like,

(12:16):
don't whatever you do, don't sell us no drug dealers
because the problem with them is they drive in any conditions.
They moved, they dried and dirty, like, they give you
all the reasons for them to start investigating. So after
so many dope boys get caught, then now they're like, okay,
well all these cars are kind of they can start
following situations before you know it leads all back down
to them and then they don't rat you out in time.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
That's exactly what ended up happening.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh yeah, so dope boy got caught in the car
and said I got it from the Prinson's of Munda.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Well to see what saying me was the fact that
I never really met the customer. So when we so
when we went to trial, because I ended up getting
to trial. Nobody recognized me, so my attorney was just
super amazing. He was like, look, man, you know he's
he's a customer like they are.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
I didn't even.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Honestly, I didn't know what my car was even stolen.
I was just driving. I thought I thought it was legit.
Way over it happened again. That was once in a
lifetime opportunity.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Do you see, like, uh, let's get straight to it.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Man. You always getting straight to.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
What's beautiful music that you've made. I'm trying to think,
who the hell about you at Versus?

Speaker 3 (13:39):
I know they've been you know what, actually Swiss talking
to my little brother about it. We talked to about it,
and Boo kind of hinted it to me, but I
was just never I don't know. I think I think
the I love Versus to watch it, but I think
some legends and they're right. I thought it was a
mistake for them to get on it, because I think

(14:01):
sometimes when you contribute to a culture this big, your music.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Should never be compared.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
It should be more celebrated than, you know, competed to
an extent. I know maybe in the beginning it partly
wasn't meant to be competition, but it's now turned into
a battle, and I don't want to put myself in
a position where I'm kind of relinquishing someone else's legacy
because I really don't believe there's too many people that
can go against.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Me, so basically, you're going against yourself. That was the
most humblest I've heard. It was at the same time,
but off top, which would be dope. A lot of
people always compare Little Wayne's Drake, and they said if

(14:50):
they would do it together.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
But it wouldn't work because Bill Rain found Drake.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's like pain. I gave him all my secrets. I
gave them all my resources I created. That's don't come
against me.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
If anything, I'm a sick T paint on everybody else
past him.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Then you get to me, You and T paying double teams.
I like that.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Now that'll work me and T paining together against somebody
else all day because he paint love that kind of smoke.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
I got goose bumps. You know what I'm saying, Double team.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I don't know about that man, because that's too gosket
agast lights again. No no, no, you ain't his dosk
okay hold on because no should be r and B singers.
I mean, you can't be Chris Brown. This is the
thing Chris Brown Usher that's.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
That honestly would be I would love to watch that myself.
I would not, That's what I'm saying, Like I love
to be entertained by. But it's also that fear right
because what Usher built, Like sometimes what the scariest.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Part he might come out with rod That's cool, he
was on. But see this, this is the thing, right
this generation don't appreciate music the way our generation did,
so the way we value what Usher brought to the table.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
This generation may not see that. It may lean more
towards Chris and vice versa. The eldest might not, you know,
you know, appreciate what Chris brought to the you know,
to this industry. You know what I'm saying, because even
now when I look at Chris Brown, always believed that
he could have been the only person that can come
behind Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Chris is that talented, Like he is fucking genius.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
I mean from an artist's downpoint, from a performance standpoint, imaging.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Like he's a global superstar, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
But I think sometimes it's a matter of how we
harness and how we you know, package our talent that
we can claim and take it to that next level.
It's almost like, okay, let's say if we introduce the
versus concept to the pop community. I want to see that,
they gonna turn it down.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I want to see Chris, but they're not gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
You want to do it?

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Listen? Listen is Backstreet noise?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
No, we would all be here, but that day will
never come. You know why, because they see things differently.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
They preserve culture, they preserve legacy. We compete against it.
Like blacks and whites are two different mentalities.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
We're combative, like we're African white regular no white period Africa.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Let's let's get back to South calf Africa. I'm kind
of the intro was just so amazing, so I couldn't
cut you off.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I couldn't cut you off. Let's be very very very
very very very clear. South Africa is the real Africa.
See this is what happens.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Right, Any amazing part of Africa that's beautiful, that attracts tourism,
they say it ain't really the real Africa. But if
it's poor, poverished, and and and you know, full of
diseases or plagues. Oh yeah, be careful us you want
to be in that part of Africa. So they claim
the poor for Africa to say, okay, that's Africa. But
then if there's anything that's enticing or inviting about Africa,

(18:04):
they say, well, that's not really the real Africa. And
that's what we got to break because you know, South
Africa's credit they had helped by the British to actually help.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
To develop right right, which was the.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Smallest population period. But those are real Africans, like the
white boys over there, African the actual Africans.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
That's why they call Afrikaans.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Biggas. It's ghetto.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Some certain parts of Africa, of South Africa, the white
folks are the ones in the ghettos. If you go
to South Africa, the richest people in South Africa are
the black ones. Netflix in the in the flat Brohannesburg
like they're like everywhere you go, there's areas where there's

(18:51):
poor people, but the poorest areas are the poor parts
where the white folks are. Yeah, it's a matter of fact,
it's a Netflix special on It's a Netflix special on that.
I got to remember the name though, but if you
if you, if you Google, I mean, if you serve
South Africa on there, it'll pop up on.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
Watch my documentary Coming Home South Africa. And I'm telling you,
And they have an amazing hip hop scene. And I
went into Johannesburg and they got a spot called the
what is it called the Cool oh Man Slaughterhouse and
it's in there, it's in their language. But and it's
like a crazy MC battle place is dope, dope see
out there?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Man, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Sure what should I just want to go to if I.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Go first, But hear me, I want to buy a
fake credit card or something. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I want to see you got stereo top on it.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
I want to get scammed like.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
In your life.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Man, I want to get scared.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
But what is the first It never been to Africa?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
If they want to go for party purposes, to party purposes,
like what were you? Compare it to what place? All right?

Speaker 3 (20:08):
So I would say Nigeria is compared to New York
City if I had to compare.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Something, that's definitely scammers.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
The scammers are everywhere. I'm being.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
That Nigeria princes.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Probably a more holy one they got the females.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Goddamn Nigerian prince got something.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yo.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
This could be debatable, but the Nigerians are the most
smartest people on the planet.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, I believe.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I promise you there's nobody more smarter than the Nigerian. Now,
of course there's there's a few bad apples that came out,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
No, they extremely smart.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
They put they just put their intelligence all in the
wrong place. They're geared, dess or something more, you know,
positive productive because the ones that did there's more. There's
more billionaires being made in Nigeria than anywhere in the
world on the annual basis.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Took that email. Listen to the credit of them though.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
You only get caught if you get greedy. They don't
ask you to do anything, They just present it to
you and then your greed get caught in that way
because I'm giving fifty they're not, They're just giving you
a positions.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Greedy took it was.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
What's crazier is that after you get got, there's nobody
else to blame but yourself, because you know better. Honest,
anything that's too good to be true, you know, it's
always too good to be true.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
What's the nigga that they was hunt him down? They
made you puppy Cony right, Coney Coney, I donated that
was that was the Africans that was doing that. Somebody.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, I still don't got my shirt, Like is he
comparing that Africa?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
It was Cony. He was doing someth bad.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, And it wasn't that he was like, donate to
him and we're going to get I like.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Word, it's like dude in San Francisco doing that. I
want it was my T shirt shirt. And that's when
I started to complain, that is ting right about this shirt.
It's too funny. So you say Nigeria is the first, Well.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
That mean it depends on what you're going there for.
Like every place has his destination and has especialty for
what you want to do.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
A huge continent, it's no North Africa.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
How big Africa is, right? You see how big United
States is. You could take five United States and fit
it inside it. Five of US, I mean all fifty two,
three faux states whatever, you can take them all, put
him inside Africa five times.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
That's how big the continent is. That's how big it is.
So it's a matter of like it's any and everything
you want to do.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Like you got East Africa, you got South Africa, you
got West Africa, North Africa. Everywhere you go, there's destination
for what it is you want. So it depends on
what you're going there for.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
You know, no I said anybody got questions for Akon.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
It was like Yo, man in the US mad at
him for messing with China. Man, listen honestly.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
First, to be honest, bro Me, I would want the
US to take more initiative in Africa.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
They have done it this year though.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Really Yeah, they flew in a lot of African presidents,
created this huge you knows, the initiative in DC, you know,
but it was a great conversation.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
It was a great start.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
But I just think they're a little bit ten twelve
steps behind the Chinese. The area where the Chinese got
smart was they realized, okay, are they're already done created
enough manufacturing plans to supply the whole world?

Speaker 6 (24:02):
Right?

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yes, Americas are their biggest suppliers, America then Europe. This
is why the US is in debt to the Chinese.
Already they supplied the US was so much. But after
a while you can only supply for so much because
that's only a certain amount of population. They're the reason
why Chinese is so powerful because they got over a
billion people over there within China in itself. But for
the most part, they start a value in Africa though

(24:24):
they said, okay, cool, Africa got close to two billion people.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Right, it's underdeveloped.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
So human resource to them is more important than actual
resources itself because they've seen what have done for them themselves.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
So now I imagine if you combine two billion people
of China in partnership with two billion people in Africa,
and then you have all the resources and all the
factories for distribution to the globe.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Is that why the currency is the currency is China.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
The bricks I'm talking about bricks, which is China, China, Russia, Brazil.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
They trying to create their Oh well, I mean break
they call that school ring.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
I either heard that ringusin is eighty eight, but you
hear that, Yeah, it's bridge.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
They haven't done it yet. They're trying to. They're trying
to do it.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
It's a conversation that's being had. Of course it's gonna
and Saudi Arabia is kind of like top of the
US dollar if that happens. So I don't think it's
gonna be something that's gonna be easy to accomplish because
it's just too many interesting at play. But if it
does happen, it's gonna be a it's gonna be a
US is gonna have a huge problem.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
Right, And China's been involved in Latin America too. They're
doing the same thing all that everywhere. You know, understanding,
they have been quiet.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Right, you can go to any hood anywhere in the
world and you're gonna find them. That's what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
And then you can go to any place in the
world and they will be a China town. Always they've been.
They've always been non controversial.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Right, you've been to China.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
I love China, you really, I love it out there.
I just can't say that too long ago. Why I
need the food, the food, it's just it's not my
my type. The food small, it's just the portions are
pretty small. But it's it's just too healthy. Really, it's

(26:13):
too healthy.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
You need some glue, I need yeah, iy, fat, honey, cholesterol,
I need all that, like I can't American. It's too healthy, Okay,
it's too healthy.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
One of the things that Michael Blacksman, who is my friend,
but he turns me off every time I see him
eat it. The way he eats foodful is hard. Have
you ever seen him eat fool? Did he put on
the tracks? He's like, I'm like, how can you tell
me this is good? And you're going to.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
I'm the only one who followed Michael Blacksmith.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Listen, I mean, I swear, and he'd be like after
he he puts pause, pulls his mouth with his hand
away from his mouth. He acts like he's enjoying it,
but as he's.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Chewing it, he puts on the pit bull face, like
a pit bull is a tackle the.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Tea and I like it. So, but are you a
fan of fool fool me?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I'm not really a fan of food food specifically, I don't.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I don't like food food as much, but I like
everything else.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Food.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Food is the only thing I don't like as much.
Food is like my fungal right, it's a plantain, that's
the thing you Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Well, myself, I like, but this is the okra sauce
that comes from and I don't like the texture of okra.
You know what I'm saying, but because it got food
and some other sauce like the peanut butter sauce. It
comes with different sauces. But the reason why they call
it food food is because of the okrat, the bread bread.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, I mean it's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a combination.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
So yeah, but it's it's a it's a team effort,
like one don't work without the other, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
So, what's your favorite African dish?

Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's jelly rice for sure? What je rice? J Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Sounds I don't know how it sounds.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Sounds delicious, is it?

Speaker 7 (27:59):
So?

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Rice is originally from Senegal with Stafford that'shere, I'm from.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Ghana's. Ghana has adapted it very well.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Nigeria is always in competition with Ghana on who makes
the best jelly of rice. And then you have Liberia
also that makes it really really good, right. But it's
it's an old traditional uh recipe that's made with rice
and tomato paste. So the tomato paste is what makes
it red. But in Senegal you have two types of jelloff.

(28:28):
You have the red jelloff and then you have the
white jellaf. The white jellaf is made with like onions
and you know, more broth, you know what I'm saying.
But the taste of it is just it's it's like
an African version of fried rice to an extent, that's
probably the best way to kind of explain it. Because
after the rice is done, they let the bottom of
the rice burn, so it's like you get that that

(28:49):
that burned smoky and then that smoke goes through the
rice and you could taste that smokiness in it.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
It's it's delicious.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
The bird part is this, This is why I've been
a deal lot. When I eat that boy, it reminds
me of Jeff, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
So so we all know that music, we all know
the original man comes from Africa, right right. I remember,
you know reggae music coming making its mark, you know.
Then you know, you know Spanish music, all that song
and so forth. But it just kind of like seemed
like it's three sixty and now it's like Afro Beasts

(29:28):
is like so.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Fucking popular, right, It's huge.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I never saw this coming, like I never saw obviously,
you know that music originates in Africa, so for it
to come back, it's something that's very very beautiful, but
I obviously didn't see this. Is this something that you've
been saw that you knew that.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Bro since two thousand and seven. Wow, I was in
labels trying to get this going. Like you, man, you'd
be surprised how good it makes somebody feel when you've
been saying you want to say, like I told you
so so loud.

Speaker 2 (29:57):

Speaker 3 (29:58):
But it's I kind of Latin music kind of came
through the same tunnel because with reggae thong, it was
the same thing. Nobody expected it to be this big
and dominate, like you know what I'm saying on everything, right,

(30:22):
you know what I'm saying. So it's I think it's
the same thing. And I think now people are getting
more you know, open to different sounds and different music
now actually start you know, you can now see melodies
change into something that sounds familiar to you that back
then was foreign, you know what I'm saying. So when
you listen to a lot of the afrobat music today,
you'd be like, wow, it actually makes sense because when
you go from reggae music to reggae thong and now

(30:44):
afrobeat within all in the span of ten fifteen years
in America's like it's it's all the same, you know
what I'm saying. It was just a matter of who
was the gatekeepers that would allow that music to come in,
And that was the challenging part, trying to get them
to understand that, Yo, this is bigger than you think
it is.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, you know, like internationally this is huge already.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
If it breaks in America, this could be the biggest
turnover for y'all from a financial standpoint that you've ever seen.
But it's just a matter of just now Digital actually
allowed that because of YouTube.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
You think they were trying to keep people from working
internationally that closely because it might change the way that
business has done domestically.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Actually, I wouldn't go that far, but I would say
that they didn't understand the music well enough to know
how to move it around. And I think a lot
of the times when you look at executives, they kind
of move on either excitement because they know what they got,
or on fear because they don't know what to do
with it, you know what I mean. Instead of just
putting it out and let it find his own audience,

(31:40):
they want to be the A and R to decide
what goes out and what's.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Going to be a hit and what's not.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
And I think that's a mistake, is right, because they
only you know, they make.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
The decision called to what they see, and most of
them never even left America, so they wouldn't even know
where to start.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
I remember, like I was saying this to da veto
a friend of mine who's Fump Senegal. He lives in Paris,
and he kept he kept telling me about afrobeasts, but
he didn't have he didn't have. It wasn't a word
at the time. We kept saying, listen, man, we have
African ricked doone. And I was like, because I'm assuming,
I'm assuming reggae don't can only be Spanish. I'm not.

(32:14):
I'm not smart enough to understand that this is a
global thing. And then he was he was playing me
this and I was just like wow. And then when
afrobeas blew up, like I said, my boy at and
he's from Sitaguar, he just lives in Paris.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
He called me every day I told you, I was like, damn,
he was.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Right, and he was right. We listen to Acon. Our
show was about giving people their flowers while they're alive.
We want to give you a flowers face to face.
You an icon. You're a pioneer. You single handed and
changed the face of how music is played.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
You you did it.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Are you like the first African artists or first African?
Nos African because you wasn't born said he was born
in Saint Louis, but obviously you still considered well.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I mean, this is the thing, like, I don't think
where you're born decides who you are, right because in
our case, my mom and father was born raised, full
blooded Senegalese, but Pops decided to make sure we was
born here just to ship us back.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, it was a transactional reason. You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
So that's why when I identify with Africa, it's just
a little bit different because.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
That's where my childhood began.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
And then when I came to the States, I was
here just more to go to school because every summer
we would go back home.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Until I graduated high school. I decided to stay.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Let me ask you the whole thing with New York
Puerto Ricans, right, and then Puerto Ricans from the islands
right right, and for years, Puerto Weecans from the Island
just thought they was better than us. I'm sorry, that's
how we felt about y'all. Like we felt like they
felt like they were like the real Puerto Ricans, and like,
I mean, actually, at certain.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Times, technically, technically they are the real Puerto Ricans because
y'all are more Americanized.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, but they we watched us on TV. Yeah, they
just say technically a little bit different. You know, I
grew up with chickens in our backyard. Why are you
going at your people?

Speaker 7 (34:12):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (34:22):
They just a little the Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico
a little bit closer to the culture. And I think
that's what they're trying to say. They're not saying that
you ain't Puerto Rican. They're saying, well, we're actually here.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
You know, it's a place in Porto Rico called Louisa.
You know, that's the where the slaves got dropped off. Right,
you are light skinned out there compared to them.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
But all of those niggas came from Senegalgue. I'm not
even joking.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
That last spot they.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Dropped off in Puerto Rico.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
They dropped off in Haiti, and the Haiti became Dominican
Republic because of the Spaniards came and mixed up with Haitians. Yeah,
the all Portuguese, mister Lee, So Portuguese, y'all niggas is.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
More African than we are.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Why do you think y'all moved away? Y'all move goddamn?

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Do you think?

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Seriously think about it, Think about how we like, how
we communicate with Puerto Ricans, Couerto Rican We call each
other's niggas, y'all niggas. Ain't y'all far from niggas? Perto
Ricans say the ship and we're like you think about it,
like like we look at each other as one. You
find what I'm saying, like, so we like our history

(35:27):
is intertwined. It's not even a it's not even a question.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
That's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Also was something beautiful I've seen on the internet the
other day. They said something that could and you said
this on our show years ago. It says something that
was going to help boost Africa's economy is is if
African Americans going over back and start going back. And
I see somebody like I think this was like a
preacher or something like he was just and I was like,

(35:52):
damn a concept. That shit like seven years ago on
our show. You you think that's it that's still choose
you this day?

Speaker 3 (35:58):
It's I think Africa will start to become it's to
its fullest potential when y'all all go back home, right
like and even y'all, what's interesting is that everything that
y'all fighting for over here, you actually you get on
a silver platter over there. Like it's like you, It's
like you guys want to suffer, Like y'all motherfuckers just

(36:20):
want to just be.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Because you don't have to be.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
It's like it's it's like, believe me, they wouldn't want
nothing better than to shift all y'all niggas back to Africa,
but they're not even knowing this for your best.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Interest, y'all would actually be better off.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Wow, you know what I'm saying, No more crying, no
more like marching, no more getting killed by cops, no
more crying racism because y'all are the majority over there.

Speaker 6 (36:44):
You know what I'm saying. Supposed to be that originally
wasn't a return. A lot of the free slaves helped
begin help create Liberia.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
I can't give you too much story.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
A little bit.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
That's all the flags if you notice, every flag got
a meaning, right, but it's always got the meaning that's
attached to whoever colonized them.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
But history nowadays, I don't know what to believe in anymore.
It's all convoluted.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Everybody has a different story of what took place around
that time, so the accuracy is very slim. But when
you stop and you think about just basic common sense,
some of the things that happen can easily be like
returned and redone like. But it's on in the mind state,
you know, once you got your mindset on something, that's
what it is. It's like Norri, he just want to

(37:31):
go to Africa to get fucking like. He gotta get
scammed otherwise Costomer, that's the experience.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
He got to go through that first, and they say,
all right, cool now, who don't have to talk about
to give you a history on how I can get
it back?

Speaker 2 (37:46):
So I gotta scam him to educate. You don't want
to go see a start resort. This is Africa. Yeah,
I want to do that. That's not too nice, it's
too clean. Take me.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
I want to hunt straw.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
You know, you know that's real man, because like a
lot of us, I remember me being scared. I send
in my twenty what is that twenty three and all
that where you where you get your thing twenty three
and me, Yeah, for the DNA, Yeah, the DNA. And
I remember my wife doing it and I'm being like, like,

(38:24):
you don't want to know where you're really from?

Speaker 1 (38:26):
And I was like not really.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Actually, I actually think I swabbed or whatever it was.
I just never gave it to I was like, I
don't know, man. I was just like, man, I don't
know what I did with it, but I'm I don't
do it this time. You know where I'm at because
obviously when you when you're Puerto Rican, which I'm half
put a week and half black, part of you goes

(38:51):
to Spade, But that's not where it ends. That's where like,
that's just one little small it's Puerto Rican because we
don't come from Portibo, don't come from port Cuba.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, most Caribbean, Puerto Rican. Your DNA is gonna trace
back to Portugal.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Cuban port because ain't like the same birds, different president.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I'm just waiting for whatever they.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
For the Cuban, the Cubans, Yeah, the black coming back Africa,
Cuban Cuban.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Cubans are the most African when it comes to the
Latin side of the world.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
In Africa.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, niggas in the Latin country without as Jesus the
Latin just just making.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
That my friend hates right there, sound.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Because all right you want to do ye oh man,
but he's not drinking. So Sunday drinking from drinking from
Sunday shot from me, my Haitian brother, that's what you're
talking about.

Speaker 8 (40:11):
Drink.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
I'm we go like today we were like, man, we're healthy,
were healthy hoods right now, water champs today.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I don't think you know what we love this last time.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
We didn't do this last time with you, right, all right,
So we're gonna give you two choices. You pick one.
We're good if you say both or neither. We drinking,
got it, all right? So the first one is Chris
Brown or Usher you get my drink?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Both okay? So see he gonna say this free. No, no,
that that one. Listen, They both to me are equal
when it comes to generations, right in the generation.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
No, I never drink, never drink, but I did have.
I did sip it by accident one time and thought
it was water. Bro my chest got sold. It was
like what brook? It was a nasty ship I ever
tasted and know the taste.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Was lingering in my mouthful. A week I was like,
how did y'all drink? Even if I thought about drinking
after that, I would never drink rushing, But I was
in Dubai. Dubai That's why I thought it was wide
doesn't drink, drink. But unfortunately the person no, no. But
I'm saying as a country, they don't. They don't drink.

(41:24):
The people there like that.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
You know.

Speaker 7 (41:27):
You've been to the was you could drinking. Oh yeah, yeah,
don't leaves. Yeah, trust me, they drink.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Off of the drinkers and they do anything else to
trugt me.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Gotta be they got underground shoes, gotta be underground.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
So you drank, because what did you drink?

Speaker 6 (41:52):
Drink?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Anotherhing bigger, bigger than my boy guy. We just came home.
He had to hear a life sentence in for cocaine
and marijuana, and the life sentence he did four years
and he got his ask about of.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
There, you gotta be careful when we go to the
other con. They don't play, they don't play with that
learned the coach by.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I play songs of Jeremiah.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
That's a good one too, But I was I'll probably
go with Jeremiah Jeremiah, okay, Tupac or d m X Wow,
another good one. I probably go with Pop. I met
him one time, met Pox this one time. I never

(42:35):
met that one time? What was that a meaning?

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Like?

Speaker 1 (42:39):
It was like, oh, yo, this is my man, pot
yo Pop.

Speaker 7 (42:41):
That kind.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Cool, we got to get in cool and it never
seen him again. His knew the new series on FX,
The Dear Mama. I saw it the first episode. It's crazy. Yeah,
it's real good, real good. Wow, it's on FXX. I
know you worked one of them. I don't know if
he worked with both, but Michael Jackson or Prince. Oh,
that's easy. Michael Jackson.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
You worked with m J.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
I didn't get a chance to work with Prince though,
but it was on the schedule to work with him
before he passed.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Was on the schedule. It was, yeah, I was gonna
get in with him before.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
In the same room with Prince.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah, you met Actually Jimmy Ivan was want to introduce
me to him, have his ass out.

Speaker 6 (43:27):
I'm saying, you know this different versions really wants to
know because he has everybody.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Different versions. Because I wanted to I wanted to know myself,
say you wanted those pants.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
He was an interesting character though, because even when I
met him through Jimmy, I would ask him a question
and then the assistant or the one that was standing
next to him would be the one to tell him,
so it was one of those, and then he would
whisper in her ear and then she would tell me
what he said it was.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
It was, that's awkward, it was interesting, that's interesting. I
like this one.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
You got eminem or Boston rhymes and what way?

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Though, it's up to you. No, hold on. It's a
difference because if it's versus in versus, oh, in versus,
I mean just I just made in versus yeah versus.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
That depends too, though, just just makes shinny take a shot. Yeah,
it depends. It depends.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
It's no because these are two different lanes, like not even. Yeah,
but it's not even. It's like you can't even compare those.
I gotta go with both because you can't really compare.

Speaker 6 (44:35):
That's fair taking a shot. You took a shot, Sonny.
You can't just drink out of your cup. You gotta
take a shot no because of what.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Okay, like this no, no, you make no sense?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
And I did the next one after that, this.

Speaker 6 (44:51):
One, yeah, justin Timberlake skip one. Oh yeah, Snooper jay
Z Snooper jay Z in the versus anyway, whatever the
criteria in your mind is the criteria in mind, I
will probably say.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
That's that's also two different types, you know what I'm saying?
Like two icons? Thanks Lee?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
This this this might be.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Debatable, but I'll probably go with Snoop. Okay, And and
y'all worked early on in your career and your career
too with Snoop, right yeah? And then I like, as
I travel, I see.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
The personality and the effect that Snoop has on people
globally and through his music.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
So Snooper's hands down the most famous rat that you
know what I'm there's not one person on earth that
I don't think I.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Don't know who Snoop thats recognized? Right, absolutely, kid you
not justin Timberlake or justin Bieber. I probably go with Biber, Okay,
how about.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Him versus still go with Biber? Still going with Okay, Okay.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
People got records, bro, People records are on a different
level and he spoke, we you too, now my mom?
For fact, what else does he do? He styles p
or ross. I gotta go both on that one, Okay, Sonny?
Yeah can they both represent two different things too? But

(46:32):
style is like my brother. I couldn't go against him
if I wanted to.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Okay, I'm gonna let you Finn take this one.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
These last two, I mean the next two French or
fifty French or fifty that would be a good one.
I would have known what, dude, But yeah, fifty will
get it. Oh and your mind saying versus? Is you
get my mind? I'm saying versus? Okay, atl or Miami
at L of Miami, definitely a t L. Still live

(46:57):
in atl Huh, still live in atl. I still got
a gas station, same house.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
They got to know who got a gas station? That's
how you flow.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I got it, I got a gas station.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta patack. I gotta have
a gas station. Shut everyone down, Everyone shut up? Like word,
he just said, you got a gas Okay. Naughty by
nature or laws are underground.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
That's a jersey. That one was a good one too,
both legends, Yeah they are. But I think Naughty went
a little bit further.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Jada kiss or Nas.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Oh, oh, that one is interesting. That's a tough one too.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Why I say that is because Jade is probably the
most underrated. I don't think he ever got the credit
that he needed to get.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
He getting it now. I believe you think you get
it now. I think he's getting it now because Nas,
it took time.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
For people to give him that right, not as well,
it took some time. Yeah, And I think Jada he
never got it, right, you think he got it after
versus Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Think he's getting it. I think he's still in the
process of getting it.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
I think he's in the process.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
I will say Jada, just to help him get that process,
because I think Nas is already given.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Okay, it's fair enough. Coming to America call Hall ofm Knights. Yeah,
I know both of them. I would definitely go with
coming to America Lady Gaga or Katy Perry.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Definitely Lady Goga.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
With Lady Gaga, Gwen Stephani. But all right, these are
the guys who make it up, the Colombians and the Dominicans.
Red Man or Method Man both.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Yeah, those are twins right there. You can't separate them too,
and you can't separate them too.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Big pun or big al.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
I go a pun.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Amy Winehouse or Whitney Houston. Oh rest a piece of both. Yeah, she.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
That's a tough one too, but I go with Whitney.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
You gotta see a movie on Netflix.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
No, I haven't seen you.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I haven't seen it yet, neither I heard his good
Yea'm gonna take it.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Look at it now?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
T Pain or floor Rider, t Pain, Wayne or Drake.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
I would want to say Wayne.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Because he discovered him and recognize the talent that Drake got.
But in this case, I would choose Drake because Drake,
to me, it's more versati how and he he. I
think he maximized the opportunity better than anybody in the business.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
That's fair, USA or Africa. Africa hesitates for that, not
even question.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Your old hairline or your new hairline.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
The new hairlines look good.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
A lie, I'm looking at me, get this, start me
say something somebody to pumped up bitch of you. But
because in person, it shod looks good. You look you
look Dominican, you look like.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
It looked good. They actually I started that campaign.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
He started it. I did that on purpose because you said,
you went to Turkey, and Nigga said, Nigga, don't.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Go to Turkey, right. So then so then I have
to look where I can kind of play with it.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
I said.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I was just interested because, Bro, I ain't laughed at
I ain't laughed that much.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
It's so long. This ship was so funny. Do you
want to do?

Speaker 1 (51:02):
I was literally I was literally on the plane just
creating just I was like, oh, this is gonna look real.
What you think, baby? We just push it out there. Boy, Yo,
the memes that came means when I tell you that
was the funnies sh I heard?

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Man, I love that ship? Did you start it on Twitter?

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Would you on Twitter?

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Negative place on the planet? You want to be in
place on the baby place? Wanted to be negative. But
you can go on Twitter and be like peace, good
morning everybody. Somebody gonna say, shut the fuck youposed a
baby picture. They're like that baby ugly?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Like what you could do anything?

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Twitter is the horrible place, bro, But it'll also tell
you some foul ship. Okay, where we're at the burner?

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Boy, Oh that's good. Oh I probably go with David though,
David Dough.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Yeah, we just had them on pick up to Dabba.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Door oh Davy. Yeah that kid, right, there's a beast. Yeah,
he's the beast. He's another And I think that deserves
more flowers than he's received.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
We gave him flowers.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Uh n w A or Wu Tang Klan, which I.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Don't think is a good match up.

Speaker 7 (52:12):
Man.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
I do think it's it's just generationals.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
It's definitely a generational match. But I want to say both,
and let me tell you why. First of all, n
w A created gangster rap. Regardless what anybody tell you,
school d did, but n w A, regardless of what anybody.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
On there's a difference. Schoolie was just a gangster period.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, but he would made against the music though he
did happen.

Speaker 6 (52:37):
And I see it was around but around the same
time in w A and maybe before, to be honest
with you, Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
You're right, it could be debatable.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
But n w A made it popular, the most popular.
That's what you gotta get credit to, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Because I think sometimes we kind of make the mistake
of the person that invented it versus the person that
actually made it famous.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
So there's two parts the person that invented it.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Yeah, we have to give him the flowers because he
and he actually created the this is what got us.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Inspired to do it.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
But the person that made it famous, it is really
the person you give the credit to. And that could
be debatable as well.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
It's like everybody.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
But I also believe that the person that made it
famous should also always go back and take care of
the person that invented it. That's what makes it even.
But when you ignore the person that made it even.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Or you you know, look at him on a certain
way and you know, kind of decrease its value, then
I think that's fucked up.

Speaker 6 (53:31):
All right, There's there's one more debatable thing. Who called
it gangster act? Because a lot of people debate.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
But I was.

Speaker 6 (53:38):
Next.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
You ain't all music, but you saw nigga.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Like n w A them niggas start they show off
with easy Goddamn with.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
A twenty two popular in the side of the areada.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I was scared to dath How was I was terrified?

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Listen to you never wanted to go to Compton, Right,
and then now let's talk about Wu Tang Clan.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Wu Tang Clan.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
They took New York culture and made it global facts
even more. Staten islandro to the point where you go
to Japan, is you Wu Tang is like a religion.
It's a fact.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
You understand what I'm saying now, Nwa.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Ain't going that far. They were more domestic, right, So
that's why I said, you got to give them both.
You gotta choose both on that one.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I love how you broke that down, mad hip hop.
That was a mad I break that.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
I love that.

Speaker 6 (54:28):
Look at those recent shows. Wu Tang's been posting in
Argentina and Colombia Like.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I'm Wu tangans in Paris right now?

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Oh dope, whutang made New York famous?

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
That's debatable too.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
That's debatable too. Jackson five or new audition, Oh.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Jackson five, Mike's voice, Boy, ain't nobody can touch that
at that age. And it's before too. It's like the
audition would say Jackson five.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
They would even say if they don't, then I don't
know what you're gonna say on this one. DJ College
or DJ Drama. Oh that's a good one too, big
lightskin beef right there.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
I don't know get in the mix of that lights ginness.
Right now?

Speaker 3 (55:14):
They both abandons. Yes, I think I'm gonna choose both,
just for the polic.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Okay, both my niggas or push your teeth.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
That's a good one. That's a real good one. That's
a good one. Mm hmmm. I think I'm it's a
hard lean, but I think I'm gonna go with fab
on this one. Okay, wow, Okay, Juice or New Jersey Drive.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Juice or New Jersey Drive both good ones too. Yeah,
but Juice is just different.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
That's that's yea. They gotta go with Juice on that one.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
And it's just something I want to see in versus
Christina Aguileva versus Btney Spears. Who you've got, Oh, I
want to see you.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
I got Brittany. I think Brittany. I think Brittany, I
promise you.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
I think Brittany gonna take it because Brittany got the
attitude for the audience, you know, versus Actually.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
You know why this is great and it's debatable. I
think Brittany has probably it's just a little bit more records,
But I think Christine.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Is a vocalist, better vocalist. Live what I'm saying. That's why,
let's be very clear. Okay, yes, yes, please the versus audience.
It's niggas. Let's not fool ourselves.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
So we're gonna do this in malible.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
So trust me, bro, you can do this in the
White House. The people that will be streaming is a
streaming platform, ain't They can do it right here.

Speaker 6 (56:48):
And here.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Between Christina and Learra and Britney Spears. You gotta ask
yourself who gonna lean more to the black audience.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Damn, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
It's Brittany, Britney, Britney Pitch. I'm telling you it's Brittany Man.
Christina's Latina.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Yeah, but Christina don't act Latina.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
She don't even claim you did right. I'm confused with
this one. I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Holy ship Brittany and Brittany's Instagram, my girl just put
me on. She's like, she's yeah, I'm telling you I've
been down by Brittany a fucking around and take off
on Christy. We need to do the way in right here,
drink chances the way Holy sh Okay, it's a good one.

(57:36):
Fuck Master flex or DJ Clue in what way whatever
that's you, because there's an animation that comes with flex.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Nobody cared to me, No one's out.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Nobody has out animated rhymes, and the only way to
be an exceptional DJ is to capture the attention of
the audience, and I'm think nobody does that better than Flex.
So in that note, I gotta go with Flex.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
I ain't gonna lie to you Like I used to
have to catch myself because I would listen to Flex,
and Flex like pull over and I pulled over, Like
what the fuck am I pulled over for.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
New York City? Pull? I'm listen.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
New York City with Flex.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Player record that you like, artist that you love, and
he's dropping them ball is like.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
From here. Yes, he comes from an experience like some records.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
I ain't gonna lie to you some things I might
have thought was trash before Flex actually presented it on
the show.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
After they presented it, I was like, Yo, that ship
was kind of dope. So it was all in the presentation,
and you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
I tell you that.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I tell you that's what I like about Flex. If
he's laid on the record, he'll come back on station
just be like yo, I'm.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Sorry, New York City. I was late on this record,
Like I liked it.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I like that, like I remember I said this on
this on before well with Meek and and Drake was
going at it. Flex hyped it up so bad. He
was like, I got the response from Drake, and I
got Meek Mill's response. I called my wife not coming home, bag,

(59:26):
not tonight. I have to stay in New York City.
Here funk Flex talk this ship about Drake and Meek's record.
I couldn't have been nowhere else. I didn't want to
be on a plane. I didn't want to listen to
it on the headphones. I wanted to sit in the
car and just let Flex just played Drake's and Meek's
mile record and he didn't have neither one that day,

(59:47):
breaking the whole flight. Wife bad at me, But that's how.
That's how, But that's how. That's some showmanship.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
That's how.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
The next day I called him this why I love.
The next day I called him, I'm like, yo, man,
I want to give you a record because you know
everyone's too. Then he was like, Yo, Norri, that was
a rough night for me today, right because I'm trying
to avoid that yo. You know, like he looked crazy.
He had neither record at this time, so he's promoting
all this ship and so I'm trying to avoid it.

(01:00:18):
And he's like, but he wants because you know, I'm
gonna keep it real. So he's like, yo, it was.
It was a rough night for me last night, right,
I said, Flex.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
I can't lie. He was baking like a biscuit. He goes,
He goes, this is how no nor I had to
stay home.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
The next day he said, it was one person that
came to my house, and he said, he opened the
door and it was the FedEx man. The FedEx man
looked at him like he took his loss the same
way he took his like he took his w And
Flex told me something that day. It was like, alright, cool,
you lose for momentarily, come your ass out the next

(01:00:55):
day and get back to the way. But he took it.
He took out that that was remarkable to be he
could do the last two.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Sorry, Nipsy are easy. Oh that's a good one too. Yeah,
but Nipsey just I don't know. I would go with
Nipsey on this one. Yeah. And the last one, loyalty
or respect. Loyalty all day. You can't respect somebody that
you're not loyal to him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah, Now you said you spoke earlier about Jimmy Ivan.
Everyone knows that Jimmy Ivan is like one of the
illest UH artists and artist like, he's an artist based artist.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
I called Jimmy Ivan the king Maker. Damn, that's the king,
the king Maker. That's what he does. If he comes
into your life, he's gonna change it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Now. He came into your life.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
After loud right, No, he came into my life during
my peak, at the point when I thought I couldn't
get bigger. Wow, he made me bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
That shows you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
And what I love about Jimmy is that he allows
you to yourself. Like he doesn't dictate what you need
to be doing or tell you what he thinks you
should do. He'll hear you out and then give you
the tools to make it work.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Let me because I want to get back to that.
But in the beginning, wasn't you all loud.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
No, I was on s r C. You want to
make sure that you understand. Yeah, Partner Rich Corporation, that's
all him, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Right, right right, Yeah, that's was by himself, but was
was his partners with just right? Oh sr C as well? Okay,
I didn't know, Okay, So at what point, did you
did you and Steve part ways?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
We never part ways? Still you still this day we
contact each other. Oh wow, yeah we never literally like
we never parted ways. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
All my records was always ran through Steve rip Can
until my contract was ran out. And that's when you
went to Now, when I went to Interscope, I wasn't
signed there. My label deal was at Interscope. I was
still at SRC.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
You're getting both goddamn ship And that's where T Paine
was at.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
No, t Pain was my well, he was at my
other label deal over So that's that's so. I had
a label deal a Sony, a joint venture label deal
at University with s r C. And then I had
my con life over at UH Interscope. So Commic music
was at Sony M. Yeah, it was Joe first before
Sony acquired them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Yeah, he got.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Holy Ship. Yeah, but Jimmy, Jimmy was And you said,
when does Jimmy come into the picture.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Jimmy came into the picture when I was shopping my
label deal because I went to Universal first because I
was already there and I presented.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Them my list. I want to start a labeled as
what I'm Wanna do, and I brought in T Pain.
I was there. They laughed me out the building. You
remember that, man, They was Joe and you know how
they jone over s I s especially oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Godby, oh my goodness. Yeah, it's big Gapy at the time. Yeah,
math he got slim and stop.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Being funny, like yo, the records and he was saying,
all clear, Yo, the records are amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
But bro his face.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
He would say stuff like that, you know what I'm saying. Like,
so they leaders say they passed. So I went to
the top and tried to go through the big building
and then they passed. So that's when I went to
job and job took T Pain. But then when the
success of TE.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Pain, that's when I came back to doing another time
ll at job.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
At Job, it was U It'll come to me in
a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
It's damn, I'm not faith.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
It was Barry White. It was Barry White.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Another brilliant, brilliant, brilliant motherfucker right, So it's Barry White
at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
So then with the success Ty.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Pain, that's when I doubled back to try to do
a direct label deal with Universal again. And then that's
when Melon Winter told me that what I'm asking for,
nobody would give it to me. You know, this is like, no,
it was it was well, it was a label distribution deal,
but then it was the amount of money that I
wanted up front, and he was like, you know, kind

(01:05:36):
of unfortunately, we're not going to be a get that
kind of money. And if you go anywhere, they won't.
I don't think they'll do it anywhere. But if you
can find somebody to do it, then feel free to
just take the deal. I said, okay, no problem, and
that's what I called Tubby, and Tubby brought me in
Divine over the in the sculle, and that's when I
met with Jimmy, and Jimmy already had my full portfolio
already out. He already knew what it was. He said, listen,

(01:05:57):
this is what you're worth. This is what we want
to give you. I wanted to do the deal here
and it was what you expected. It was double what
I wanted. It was do you just asked for double
what I just asked for?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Fuck, that's dope.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
And that's when it all worked out.

Speaker 7 (01:06:10):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
And then where does Lady Gaga come in?

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
So Lady Goga was already at inter Scope when I
got there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
She was an artist artist.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Yeah, she was actually an artist there, but at the time,
I don't know what Inner Score was gonna do with
hercause she was there for a minute, right, she was
under Troy and Vince under management there. So we was
writing for the Pussycat Dolls at the time, and then
that's when I got I was just excited about this deal.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
I was happy. I called it complete block. I needed
some inspiration.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
So I was like Red One, which is an artist,
I mean a producer that I had just signed from
Morocco man was working. I was like, you know, anybody
can just come back and forth with He's like, well,
I was in the studio with you know this check
that Fa brought in. You know, like she's pretty dope.
I mean, if anything, you can get some inspiration, trust me.
When you see her and she walks in with these
all gold le guitars and stuff and looking like she's
from the eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
And I was like, but she looked like a real artist.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
But was that a good damn or a bad damn?
You know, it was like a or a different dare different.
I didn't know what that damn meant yet she was
already she was already different, like she was already different.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
But then after, you know, after speaking with her, talking
to out like this bitch is mad talented. So we
write the record. She goes into demo the song album.
So as she's going in the demo the song for
the girls to hear it, I'm looking like, man, yo.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
This bitch is a star.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
I said, oh, ready she signed. He's like, I don't know,
ask her when she get out. So she comes out.
I was like, it was a situation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
She's like, well, you know I met an innerscope. I said, really,
I said, sohole situation. She said, well, you know, I'm
not quite sure. I said, okay, give me a second.
I called Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
I said, Jimmy, what's up with this lady? Guy got chick?
And he's like why, I said, I think I want
to sign her. He said take her? I said I have.
He said, yeah, she's all yours. It's crazy, like he
threw me that bone, like literally like take her. Almost
if he didn't know what to do with her. I
wouldn't say that because Jimmy. Yeah, you can't never count

(01:08:00):
Jimmy out. He hold it down ntil he knows what
to do with it. But I guess it's gave me
doctor exactly. Jimmy was great for preparing producers with writers
or producers and artists, and artists writing me, you understep
he knew, right. So when he saw that I had
interest in it, he was like, that can work. So

(01:08:20):
he's like, yeah, take it. So then mind you, we
got to smash hit record. I said, you, Jimmy, we
got the record. I'm going back in. He's thinking, we're
playing the record for the pussy Cat Dolls. But at
that point when he told me I can have gag,
I'm like, we're working on her album.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
How I forgot all right? So now we put it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
We going there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
We're playing this record just damn okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Oh he going crazyness. I'm like, God, this is that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
We got fucking one. We got it, we got it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
So now the whole time, he's thinking this record is
the perfect record for the pussy cat So the music stops.
So jim what are we doing? He said, man, thank
you man. The pussy Cat Dolls is going I love
this record.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
I said.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
He's dating one of them at the time, isn't he
No comment no comment.

Speaker 6 (01:09:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
I don't I don't have the information.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
I have no idea what we're doing. On all I
can tell you, I tell you Jimmy was a very
handsome guy and all the girls wanted them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
That's all I can tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
So the worst. So so then he's like, you know, so,
uh what are you doing? I said, well, can we,
you know, put this record out. He's like yeah, but
at the time he wanted to put on pussy Cat
Dolls and me and Martin was like, he's looking at
me like con don't, don't say nothing, because you know me,
I'm so outspoken. I say, oh, Jimmy's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
RECORDSS for ga GA. He's like no. Jimmy was like yeah,
I said, I said, Jimmy, this is regular for gay.
He said what I said, Yes, it's forgot. He said, Okay,
make me understand this.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
I said, Jimmy, listen, the pussy Cat Dolls are already
a global smash art, like their piece of art. All
they need is one record. I make a million of mess.
You can see I just did this last night. I'll
make another one for them. He said that's not good enough.
I said, okay, listen to this. Record again, one more
time we've played the record. I said, this record will
make you another pussy Cat Dog or possibly even bigger.

(01:10:14):
This is a record that break a new artist, not
keep a new artist popping.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
And he thought about it. He said, would you put
your label on that?

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
I said yeah, I said this record don't work, you
could drop me, and he let me go with it,
and that probably been the best decision collectively we made
together together.

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
Wait, wait, would you were you not worried that the
machine would have not got behind the record?

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Listen stuff like that sabotage.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
I don't you know why?

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Because one thing I do know, and I believe this
in my soul, A hit record is always gonna find
this artist always, even if it ain't got pushed. It
might take a lot, it may take time. And prime
example Bonanza belly Dancer. A lot of people don't know
that was my first single before Locked Up. Right wrong,
I didn't know that that was my first single, first

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thing heard university dropped that first. When that didn't work,
that's when locked because while they was moving and working
Belly Dancer, me Gody Cleve and I, we was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
On the road pushing Locked Up.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Wow, So Locked up gaining some the momentum on the
streets became on everybody's mixtape. Then we did that little
Penitentiary towards starting off in royck Iss Island, did that
little you know what's the name?

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
People?

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
I mean yeah, styles P came on when stops P
came home. It actually changed everything because its verse made
it actually an urban.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Record, because I so was it locked up out without
styles being Yeah, it was, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
The first time I heard locked up I believe it
was with styles Peers.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Record before styles P got on. We was working that
record about seven maybe eight months. When Stiles got on.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
That record took off. Why took off? Yeah? Oh and
then we did another remix with Beanie siegell on there.
I never heard that that came out, Yeah, it came.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
It was on the B side.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Oh, but what happened was the styles P version just
trumped it. But Beanie Siaguals versus stupid. Wow, it was stupid.

Speaker 6 (01:12:15):
Know that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Yeah? Man, let me let another.

Speaker 6 (01:12:19):
So do you think you think you get credit for
enough credit for Lady Gogo's career?

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Yeah, for your pardon it, I got plenty of credit.
I got enough credit that I can maximize to build
my city. That's all the credit I need.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Maximize to build your city, bro, Yes, build your city,
build our city. Okay, okay, let's take that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Yeah, right, I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Coming back.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Hell yeah, what's the name of Acon city as of
right now? Right now?

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Because I remember? All right, so what is the city
consist of?

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
I mean just think of just think of what dubaias today, yes,
and what it used to be fifteen years ago. Remember
that's what we we want to become.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Gonna it's gonna start.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
It's gonna start small, right, It's gonna start small. Two
thousand acres in synagogue, yes, in Senegal, right off the waters,
all on the beach front.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
So you're gonna have to have resorts.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
You're gonna have entertainment complexes, you know, hotels, boating docks,
you know, amphitheaters for concerts, film studios, music studios, restaurants.
Like it's gonna be it's gonna be a master How
far you think this is a way? Well, the first
stage is three and a half years. We are we
just literally started building last last week actually, when we

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talked about the first time, we had just started doing
you know, environmental studies, soil studies, all that stuff, you know,
doing all the paper, all the studies, and then KOVID
hit four minutes slowed us up, but then we got
back into it. But now everything is official. Construction actually
literally started last week.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
That's beautiful man, that's beautiful man. And is that where
we were talking about the Chinese helping out with the electricity.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
No, that's no, that has nothing to do with has
nothing to do nothing at all.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
The Chinese side was acon lighting and that's when we
were providing solar lights to you know, it started with villages.
Then we got then we expanded and got into government
contracts to do utility work, scale work, so we would
kind of just take a specific side of the city
and electrify that whole area and then connect to the
city above or whatever the case, till we got the

(01:14:34):
whole country. But then, I mean, when we got the
support from the Chinese with that billion dollar credit line,
we was able to expand into sixteen different countries.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
In Africa because there was there was there's still places
in Africa without electricity. Yeah really, oh yeah, like villages.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Yeah, real, Africa's huge.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
It's gonna take another forty fifty years to light the
whole continent up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
It's gonna take time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Yeah wow, ye, like because we see like places like indigitous.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Right, there's still some area indigenous areas in Africa, and
I heard.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
There's even places. I know Africa is huge. I heard
there's one place in Africa where there's like no outside
people is allowed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Like it's like, I mean ship. There's place like that
in California and in New York, a certain place you
can't want even the cops can't come in Africa.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Mean, personally, I haven't never experienced no areas like that,
but I'm sure there's areas out there that they've never
seen white people or they've never seen foreigners come and
dressed a certain kind of way. Because if you go
deep in Africa where there's no.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Airports in the countryside, like the rural areas, there's areas
where there's not even no cars. Maybe you know what
I'm saying, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
How big this place is. Riding horses, you think, or.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Yeah, they're still riding horse. I mean beautiful horses too,
beautiful horses. Holy, you don't fuck with lions and ship
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
That's a different kind of questions because you see rich
people have lions, knowice in the house.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Don't forget you must have forgot. I had two tigers
in my house in Atlanta. Like, those are my real pets.
Like that, those are pest.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Those are the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Shoes cats all day, black panthers, tigers one thousand percent. Bro,
put your dog up against my lion, and see what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Just imagine you ever walked your dog around the neighborhood
and I don't like them? I mean, you're lying. You
ever walked into the like Tyson said?

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
He what is what?

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
He said?

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
He slept with his lions. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
He was like, how does that work? He said, it
doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
But the kids you gotta raise them from from cubs though,
right right, once you get up a baby, you got
to declare them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Yeah, you might want to declare them and defang them,
I think or whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
The defanging ain't gonna really do much because they still
got a hard bite.

Speaker 7 (01:16:53):
Like, Bro, that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Defanging means nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
I really don't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
If they come at you is done because these teeth
are still existing. It's just the things that you can't
take those teeth because I got to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
That's right. Yeah, listen, you mistreated, It's gonna come for you. What.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Oh yeah, I don't want to no pet like that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
I mean, that's any pant though. That's truth, that's the truth. Yes,
he said, I see the street is donna come for you.
I've seen the story the other day that I think.
What's his name, Joe Rogan. He said, this is how
ill pip is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
That he came home. His piple was cut all up, wow,
like cut all up all over his face. His piple
was cut up. So he in his back and everything.
So he took the dog and he brung the dog
to the hospital hospital system up. But then when he
brung him back, he wanted to understand no one knows
the story. He wanted to. He wanted to to see

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what exactly happens. So he followed the the trail of
his dog and he saw ten coyotes. Ten dead coyotes,
nine dead coyotes. So the coyotes was coming in trying
to kill him, and the dog held it down against nine.
He killed nine coyotes. Bro, that's that's kind of hard,

(01:18:13):
and that's hard, like that's that's a lawyer asked, I said,
maybe every time I see it, put bull down like this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Like this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Make sure me and you're on a good level.

Speaker 6 (01:18:24):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
All right, So we're gonna go into some.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Of these hits.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Man, We're gonna go into some of these hits. Man,
where did we start?

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Let's start with the two Like I said earlier, Uh,
if you're in the club and you don't hear these
two records, that means you're in the worst club there
ever is. If they won't play I want to Walk
You Sweet and Snoop Dogg and if they don't play
Smack that I suggest.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
You immediate.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
But what was it?

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
What was Let's let's start with one. I want to
fuck you obviously? What what what made you make that?
Because girls say that too. It's not like only guys.
The club is going on. You're like, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
You know what I'm trying to say, mean literally, but
it's a unisex, it's a university. Did you did you
think that was gonna be a unit set? And then
where was your mind for listen to take?

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Yeah, at the time I was in Magic City when
I break there, goddamn them pepper Wings.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Actually, you know what's interesting? Day limit pepper wasn't popular there.
That's a travesty.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't popular in two thousand and eight.
You gotta was y'all chopping on wings in two thousand
and eight in Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
There wasn't miamise either that or I wasn't up on it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Make sure we go back to I want to fuck
you in and and Magic City. You keep saying that
I'm gonna get back to what I want to try that.
Hold hold on in your humble opinion. The first time
you had limit pepper? Where was it that?

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Because this is this is is a big Miami, more Miami.
But what's interesting is the first time I ever had
it was here in Miami. Okay. Yeah, I ain't knowing
about it until I in Miami, Okay, Because I told.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
You about that time, I didn't know what That's why
it was like living pepper wings didn't exist at least
for me. But I know when I came here, that's
when I got put up on it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Then when I got home, would you had your first
living pepper? You got birthday? Damn it. That's to me,
that's what I heard. Living pepper is invented. That's what
I don't know about that. I can't tell that to
Atlanta nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
He what.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
I realized more Miami than Listen. I realized, I gotta
leave that set up to y'all. That's what you Miami.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
She's got a broader selection, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Because I had it first in Cities, but then I
had it very close in ONX as well.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Didn't that take one?

Speaker 6 (01:21:07):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Maybe very soon, very soon? Okay, So you're in Magic
City and you just said, man, I want to suck
this bitch. Yeah, pretty much pretty much? So what the
rhythm comes to you? Just looking at it? She's there?

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
No, it was a thought, oh okay, like whatever song
was playing, I was in the mood of that song,
but it was really about her and what she was
doing on that Okay. Then when I got to I
mean it just, I mean literally left the studio, I
mean left Magic went straight to the studio.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
He was writing, huh was you already writing in your mind?

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
And I knew what I wanted to say, but I
didn't know how I was gonna say it until after
I made the beat.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Then it just hit me. I knew exactly where I
was gonna go with him.

Speaker 7 (01:21:52):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
I'm saying you made the beat, but she didn't. I
was a producer, know you produced that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Everything that you heard me on the chorus, ninety five
percent of stuff you heard me on the chorus beats
that I mean, Yeah, that's how I used to deliver
my songs with the chorus already on it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
That's how you used to make placements.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Yeah, yep, your publishing game is crazy and smart.

Speaker 8 (01:22:21):
It was easy to sell. The song was already done.
I got to drop the verses, and then you get
a block. I just write the verses for you too.
It was literally that simple, Like, don't tell me. That's
how Soul Survivor happened.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Already chorus on it, beat, ready to go. It was
actually gonna No, I'm not gonna tell that story, but yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
How I don't tell me beody no no, no, no,
it was gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
If it would have been for anybody, it would have
been for me. Put it so.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
But what's crazy was you had a song and you
probably experiences where before you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
He's a feature that shared somebody on it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
He was like, man, think I'm gonna keep this with myself,
Like as a producer, songwriter, right, it's some songs you
just want to hold on to. That's the feeling I
had after I did Soul Survivor. But then when I
met with Jeezi and I heard his mixtape, Bruh you

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need this, I just jumped out the window. I was like,
it's no way this nigga on this record is not
going to be a bigger record. It was impossible. It
was just impossible. So when I sent it to him,
I wasn't sure if he liked it or how he
felt about it, because it took about.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Almost to the end of the day before I got
it back.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
But the fact that I got it back the same
day was kind of common because a lot of people
at that time was always excited to get a con
convict track, so they would do it real quick and
sind the back. But Jez took a little bit longer
than normal, and I was like, damn, sh ain't back yet.
But when it came back, though, I was like, oh
my god, I sent that shit over to Meach He
was like, Nigga, so this ship we own like, because

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you got to stand around that time, BMF had the
biggest brand, but no really no songs out there. They
just them niggas will be on maybe out the Source
magazine getting awards.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
And all that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Nigga, you're the best that I ever did.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Niggas getting awards and everything with no ax out, no records,
huh no, But they was the cultry man, it was,
it was, it was, it was something. But Jeeze I
just knew he was.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Destined for it, you know. So let me ask you.
Have you ever gave up a record and you was
mad as ship for giving up a record?

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
No, no, no, no, I was never mad at giving
up a record. But there are records that I gave
up that I that I thought would be huge and
it didn't. You thought that right, like I thought, and
you know those records. It's kind of hard to kind
of take him back to give him somebody else.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
So you just got to eat that, you know. Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
You ever heard that track, jigga?

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Yeah, I remember that I gave that up that it
was that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
When I heard they gave it the jay Z, I was,
I was like, what they said, nor when we gave
it to you? And I was like, but you could
have told me I had no excuse track masters, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
I was, yeah, but you're not. You know something you're
gonna miss some You're gonna miss something and meant for you. Yeah,
it just wasn't meant for him.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
He probably would have got too famous, and at that
time it probably wasn't a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
It was wild as hell, Yes, it was wild.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
We finished I want to you? Then how did you
ask the dog? I'm trying to say this, so I'm
trying to we're trying to avoid that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
But what made you want to ask now dog? Oh man?

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
That was just it was I think that was all
perfect timing because at that time Snoop was always he was.
He was hitting me up for songs and I always
wanted to work with him, but I just didn't have
the right record that I felt I could put him on.
And then the record got leaked, and when they got
leaked in Miami, Pliz was on the record.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
So Pliz had the record first. Because what's interesting enough
was what I originally did the record. I did it
for Trick Daddy.

Speaker 6 (01:26:19):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Originally, I was like, because I didn't see myself doing
that kind of record, even though it was a spa
by the whole things.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
All my songs were aspired by something.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
But I would always handpick which I asked what I
think will be able to take the record off. So
at that time, I'm thinking it was gonna be trick
daddy Wow. When I sent the record to Slip and
Slide till his day till this day, I'm guessing I
never knew.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
How Plies actually got the record.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
All I know is that one week Steve got a
call that's nigga, we gotta fucking smash in Miami. That's
all all over satellite radio and every fucking strip club,
every club. The record is so big, we gotta do
something about it. And I was like, well, let me
hear the record, nigga. When I heard that shit, I
was like, God, damn, who is this little nigga?

Speaker 6 (01:27:01):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
So it was one of them things.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
And then oh he wasn't out yet, No, he was
a new artist. Oh okay, okay, he's already out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
But everybody agreed that this was a smashit record.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
But universe was going crazy because first of all the
records out, I'm not clear.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
The ship is like, it's already a potential hit. What
do we do?

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
We gotta we gotta recover this record. So we're like, okay, well,
we need to just snatch him off of and put
somebody on the record.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
And then that's when I was like, well, shit, let's
put Snoop on the record.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
He's been calling me for records and he's he'd be
a perfect nigga on here. So I sent him to
Snoop Literally the same day he came back with the record,
bodied it, and these niggas have the record mastered, mixed,
and put out the same week. S like literally that's
saying cause we had to catch it. The record was
moving too fast that plaus version was gone. But then
I felt bad. I was like, damn, you know, he's

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a new artist. This would have been his big break.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Like I felt fucked up because I knew how hard
it was to get a record and go because I
know what I went through and locked up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
But do you think he leaked it?

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Without a doubt?

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
De board the funk?

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
I supposed to do that, but honestly, believe it or not,
had he reached out before he did it, believe me,
I know for sure, but no, because guess what, had
he not leaked it, we wouldn't have known the record.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Was that big, So who probably would have worked it out?
It could have been right, It could have been a
record him anyway if it had we known him before
that ship took off. But it just, I mean, God
has his own way of how things happen, right, So
at that point I felt bad.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
So we got on the phone and I was like, look, man,
you know it's business. Some of it is beyond what
I can do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
But don't worry. I'm gonna make it up to you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
You know what I'm saying, saying that's applies.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
Said it applies because I just felt bad because that
was a smash, right, So I was like, all right,
let me figure this out. So that's when I went
into the studio and then I made hypnotize and I
gave him hypnotized.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Yep, that's so you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Take your talk for that's yeah, you was there all
I got, Yo, that's crazy. I got all that in
my notes. Okay, now, don't matter. Was that a sample?

(01:29:20):
That was not a sample?

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
It was all played all original. Yeah, but that was
a melody part that I did take from Uh Bob.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Marley we Gotta Fight for all right, Okay. I took
a piece of that and added to the to the chorus. Okay,
that's the only part of that sample not the beat.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
That's that was a rendition part Okay, okay, so Survival
you just answered that question. So how about Lonely. Let's
let's get into that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Yeah, Lonely, I wrote that when I was locked up.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Yeah, that record was I wrote that when I was
locked up, and then I recorded it when I got out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Oh really, the whole the whole thing, whole record.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
And yeah, the song was written, but then the beat
at the time wouldn't create it until I got out.
And that's when I was going through my crates and
and heard the Bobby Venting sample and I spared that
up and we did the beat around the voice.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Hell of a producer. Motherfucker is just hitting us with genius.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Ship Hold up, I'm not even ready for some of
this ship Hold on, man, and you know what, let's
skip around a little bit. We spoke about Jimmy I Bean,
so let's talk about working with doctor Dre oh Man.
Working with Dre was like, well, let me give you
a two part question. Yeah, because is that is that

(01:30:37):
Nate Dogg on that record? On which one on the
record with you guys with Dre at the hold up? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
You know? I never asked Dre, who that was. I
never asked what that was.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
You looked at the credits.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
I never looked at the credit. You that rich, you
were credit. It's just, you know, like like when you
work with.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Certain people like that, you kind of already know what
the split is gonna before you get in, regardless of
who you add to it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Dre, already know what you're gonna get, already know what
I'm gonna get. You know what you're gonna get, and.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
Whoever else is involved, y'all split that amongst y'all type
of thing, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
So, but overall, was y'all in this studio together making
that record.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
We was in the studio together making records, but that
one specifically was I was. I was traveling.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
That's when I did my I did everything for it,
and then I sent it to them, And then when
Dre sent it back to me, he had the snoop
on his verse on there and the hold up voices.
So I wasn't sure if that was actual Nate or
someone else that sounded like him, or maybe something sampled
from an older song added you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Okay, but you know, Dre, you don't really.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
You just let him do what you ask, no question,
like you know what I'm saying, Like, came back and
fucking smashed, That's all I know. Yeah, right, yeah, beautiful,
beautiful was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
How did you make that that one?

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
I think that was around the time when I hold
it before good and beautiful my back. Did you you
say where you was at when you recorded the drake?

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
What did you say?

Speaker 7 (01:32:07):
Where?

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Where were your traveling dre?

Speaker 9 (01:32:09):
I was on I was on tour actual, so tourte
that normal, normal.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
So I went in the studio though, but I had
I had, I had a studio in my bus. So
that's how I was able to get the records out
at the same time. And that's how I actually I
was able to get sorry blame me response so quick
because when that whole controversy hit, I was actually on
the road with Gwen.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Stefani when when you made the record.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Sorry, sorry, blame me. I made that on the bus.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Did Why did you make that?

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
Because it was no, it was you know because at
the time it was it was a huge controversy about uh,
the club appearance that I made and intrider Dad and
the underage girl snugging and was part of this dance
whining contest and unfortunately she snug out the house.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Her dad was a preacher and he woke up and saw.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
That she won on the first on the front page,
like it was a big thing, right, you know what
I mean there?

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Yeah, he flipped out, like you know Literada.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
So at that point her age was revealed because the
daddy was like, she's underage, how do you guys allow
her to go into the club of the Da Dada
And everybody was shocked because they was like, wait a minute,
this is twenty one and older club, Like how was
she fifteen in there?

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
But the pop was just so hype about it, and
of course me being a celebrity being attached, it just
made a huge thing. And then Verizon pulled my sponsorships
and all of this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
Whenst Fani though, rode with me because that Verizon sponsorship
sponsored the whole tour and.

Speaker 6 (01:33:37):
I was on it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
So they came to home it was like, listen, con
if you want us to continue sponsoring this tour, you
need to pull him off your tour.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
And she was like, I'm not doing that, going to
start finding against the nigga. She rocked with me though,
ah no, no, yep, yeah, let's talk about that the
Sweetest Scape as well, while we're on the right, y yeah,
sweet es scpe.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
Yeah, so sweet Eskatee was crazy. So Jimmy I Bean
called me and was like, listen, I want you to
go in with Gwyn. I was like, absolutely, I love Gwyn.
This is before the tour, obvious, this is before the tour.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
This was before the tour.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
She had just finished her album, but they needed that
one record like they would need it one record.

Speaker 7 (01:34:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
And I was like, well, let me hear the album
and see what she got, and then I see, you
know what I can put for. When I heard the album,
it was a little different from what I would have
wanted for her on the album, being who she was
in the timeline in which she was recording those records,
I felt there was a certain direction that I felt
like she needed to go. So I just did that
direction for the single that they wanted for, and while

(01:34:44):
we were in the studio, that's when we wrote sweet Escape, right.
So when we sent that over to Jimmy, he was like, man,
this record is fucking amazing. But there wasn't enough time
to do more records because she was literally like dropping
that week. So we said, let's maximize this actual song
because this could be the first record out. So they
end up taking the song. It became in the first single.

(01:35:05):
Then it became the song became the name of the album,
Sweet Escape. Then they set up a whole tour around
that song called Sweet Escape Tour, so that song became
her whole marketing, imaging the whole like movement.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
For that whole album. Wow, you orchestrated that far. I
made the record Jimmy Orchestra.

Speaker 6 (01:35:26):
But everything you're saying goes in line with you're saying
that Jimmy is a kingmaker, because here you are blessing
all these artists and helping and making their careers as well, right,
which is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
You know, because I think sometimes it helps to have
just new blood around that see things differently from how
you know your core see it because oftentimes, like primise
app let's say a building like Universe of for instance,
they got to set group of producers that they go
to every time.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
They sound acts. You know what I'm talking abo right now?

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Of course, set group of writers that they go to
every time they sign to act, they all start to
sound like they all start to feeling like there's nothing
different because they's using the same producers that's been proven
to have hit records. It becomes like a cookie cutter
thing exactly. And I think that's what Jimmy was trying
to cut away from. So that's why he started bringing
in people that looked at the projects differently. Because even
when you started, when you heard the first album versus

(01:36:13):
the album that I was working on, there wasn't that
much of a growth change. But when you hear that
record on that album, you can hear the difference from
that record versus everything else that was on there, you
know what I'm saying, And.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
That means he's willing to take chances.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
Me, I want to give you what you ain't got.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
I want to give you something that the audience can
listen to it and say, oh, they stepping it up
or they've grown from where it used to be, you
know what I mean. But at the same time keeping
integrity and what it is you bring to the table,
but you also taking it to a level to where
you look like you're becoming bigger than what you was
before they.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Experienced you you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
It's crazyd damn it, Man, this is this is crazy.
What are some of the producers that you haven't worked
with that you would like to work with?

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
Interestingly enough, I haven't worked with.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
The only producers that I actually ever worked with on collaboration.
Remember he's producing, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Polo Polo and don I work. I worked with him
on some collaboration stuff. Who nah me and Kanye hasn't
We never worked on anything collaborative That could be crazy, yo,
now that I think about it, he's the only no
metro booming. Metro Booman worked on some stuff together and

(01:37:31):
nothing on the track Man worked on. But that's all
after my time. But during my time was I actually
wasn't working with any producers?

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
Were doing a work myself?

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
Absolutely? Hell yeah, some of the people will tymbling. I
would love to do it. I think me and Tim
together will come up with some.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
Because ain't you we're taking over right well? College, Ye,
isn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
Danger?

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
I did some stuff with Runners as well too, Yeah,
and Danger was on Yeah, Danger was we.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
Take production on.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
I mean when we did the first interview with him,
it was that callin studio. I think they were.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
It was that college studio.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Yeah it was yeah, yeah, that was my home. Like
that was my home bro.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
Like even till this day when I record in Miami,
I go right back there, call it never.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
There playing golf.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
No, the ship got.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Couple of golf digest.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
I don't know what kind of you got college, but
is working.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Keep going like yeah, that's that's like my studio now.
Like I'd be like, okay, I'm in Miami. He said, well,
you know what, the dude, I ain't there, Like he
gave me somebody to talk to, the open up, close.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Up everything like that. Yeah, that's exactly what it was.
That's exactly what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
That's like my home in Miami. You played golf.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Actually I just started playing golf a year ago. I
started my first golf tournament with Steve Harvey in Dubai,
oh Shire.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
And and it was crazy. What's crazy?

Speaker 6 (01:38:57):
Was right?

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
I cast some less before I started.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
Top golf, no actual golf.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
I was playing top golf before I got there, so
I got the basic. My drive was already crazy because
of top golf. Couple.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
That's my friends telling me right, tone bask myself don't
get on the field first to the top golf telling you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
The mini golf.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
Yeah, for the putty. I was tling on the putts though.
What saved me was we was playing by teams, So
I do the drives boom twenty five on my first drives, bro,
like killing it. But then when it's time to putt,
you know, somebody the team that was good at putting
gets So the first UH Golf tournament, we actually came
number one. We were in first place. But then the

(01:39:40):
second year when we came then they started bringing professionals out,
so then we was last place. Oh no, we was
playing some real top people. It's just the second time,
you know, they they they're.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
Up, Danny.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Play golf.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
No, but it's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Know it's addictive, bro, once you start. Yeah, it's addictive.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
It seems like it's addictive. It's addictive. Is it expensive? No,
not at all, not at all. Yeah. If you go
on the average day you go to play golf, you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Be spending party a little bit und the final really,
but and they smoked cigars and I see I see
a lot of motherfuckers getting drunk out of there. Deals
people make deals on the golf course.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
I mean, that's that's what used to happen. How you
take that they just tell secrets? Is that how you
take being made?

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Let them get drunk and then you got a peanut
klada and let's take a sip first, let's go.

Speaker 7 (01:40:42):
Y.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
So what is this?

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Is something we didn't ask you in a quick time
and slive very famous? Uh on this show? Major or independent?

Speaker 7 (01:40:50):
What do?

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
What do you prefer?

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
All Right? So when I was major, I was screaming independent.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Right you got independent?

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
A you're gonna look it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
It's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
When I was major, I was screaming independent all day.
I was convincing everybody to go independent, independent, dependent. But
that's because that was before I realized who I was.
Because I never felt famous like I always felt like
you know, see me now, like by myself, I always
feel normal. But then when I got off the major

(01:41:23):
and went independent, I said, independent ain't really for me.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
Because I'm too big to be independent.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
I need to be structured and managed by a major
label because of who I'm who I am already. Now,
if you're an artist that are beginning, or you got
a nice little bubble within your your area or territory.
Independence for you because you can grow independent and build
your structure to become what you know, like manages your

(01:41:52):
career self, you know what I'm saying, and grow to
that level. But it's it's in steps, it's all the stages.
But the artist that just comes from a major label
and just goes deep diving independent, it's a bad idea,
that's what.

Speaker 6 (01:42:05):
And that's why you always say that's because because I'm
always advocating for independence, he's always advocate FA.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
But this is the thing when you're in a situation
in the era that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Sinse because you're looking at the numbers that you're making
these niggas and you're like, man if I could make
that for me, but we don't also realize all the
resources that have taken the machine, the machine that's the supportist,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
You gotta realize, like you have to really grind.

Speaker 7 (01:42:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
And by the way, depending on your label, you gotta grind.
When you're on a major with no dispec major, there's
not The major labels are sometimes incompetent it sometimes their
workers are just people that's lucky to be there. And
it's also a lot of hookups. It's a lot. It's
a lot of like like, this guy doesn't deserve that
job that he has. His uncle hooked him up, so

(01:42:55):
he's fucking up. So you gotta you gotta grind hard
enough on the major. But if you for major spends
three to ten million dollars on you, they can't take
that back, right, So you need to get that back,
and then you need to be as much independent within
that major as possible. You know what I mean for
you to make it work. That's what you owe it.
You owe it.

Speaker 6 (01:43:15):
Let's let's be clear. You owe it, and contractually you
got to get that money back and then you got to.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
Go through it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
Well, actually, it's not even about contracts and moneys and
recoups at that stage. It's about visibility, right because guess what,
when you're out there and you're visible, the money gonna come.
You can work, especially when you're bring out great product, right,
But if you don't have the push and you're not visible,
I don't care how dope you shit is.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
Nobody If nobody hears that, nobody can react to it. Right.
So this the money that they're putting in you that
gives you the exposure that you need to make money.
So yeah, they're recouping, but you also have an avenue
to make more money like music should. Also, your brand
is larger.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Right, your brand is larger.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Opportunities come.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
There's revenue and the opportunities from a ubstantial of making
money that comes to you that the label don't share in.

Speaker 6 (01:43:59):
So that's really the bad. But this is the thing,
this is what I'm always telling them. The percentage of
the people that are successful in that system are smaller.
So what I always advocate is be independent, to go
to a major and take advantage of a deal that
you could do with major because you're already independent, versus.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
You go in the fresh. You're gonna be taking advantage
of fresh. You're gonna be on the shelf, right listen,
that's successful. It's small.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Absolutely. The greatest example the other day because you know,
like I said, I would going to Paris for my
wife's birthday, and I remember me going to Europe and
me being able to do a component Noriega show, a
Nori hosting, and then the Nori Latin show like all
in one day because I was I was three different

(01:44:45):
artists to these guys and they didn't see me but
I wouldn't been able to pull that off as an
independent art.

Speaker 6 (01:44:49):
But you were in the heyday of the labels, of
the heyday of the industry, and you were you were
reggae Thrombow.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
I know, but you that was what they came through,
the reggae thone hey day, but it wasn't hip hop.

Speaker 6 (01:45:00):
No, but you still had what you were doing already
from the past. Yes, you had past hit single on
a major lader. I was trying to say, I'm just
saying that. It's what I'm trying to say, is you
are that percentage, that top percentage that did get through
and could take advantage of that major deal.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
No, I think I took risk to be a part
of that Percentagecause you gotta remember, like even like when
I did, everyone laughed at me, included him, you know,
everyone was everyone laughed at as a Latino hip hop
headsprints and hip hop is him and Fat Joe and
they both was like, don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
Ship.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
I'm like, yo, what But at least years later they
was like, we were wrong. But you know, we got
to realize I had to go against the machine that
was actually going against the machine. When I brung the
record to depth. Jam I kid you not, this is
a real story. I burned the record to death.

Speaker 7 (01:45:49):
Jam.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
I was like, yo, I want to put this out.
And then they looked at they they laughed at me too.
They was like, you wonder what I was like, I
want to body and they looking at me like you're
a hip hop artist. They didn't know what reggae throne was.
I was like, yo, this is music in Puerto Rico.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
I love that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
I love this ship. And they were like, they were
looking at me like this this is your Remember how
game gang Star? Gang Star did the jazz album, and
I remember good to the Jazz album. I could imagine
you know, you know it's it's Beyonce later on the
Spanish album so Many, But I was the first and

(01:46:37):
I'm looking at that and they like, because you know,
I got the war report. I made the war report.
And They're looking at me like this is the exact
But I'm like, I'm like, but I'm Puerto Rican, Like
why can should I be held to it? So I did,
like I said, I went against the masters. And it
went from this is this is a real story. Kevin
Laws is my boy, Kevin Lowles said, I said I'm

(01:47:01):
gonna take this record and I'm gonna give it to uh.
I will give it to just the Spanish DJs. So
I didn't even give it to no black DJs, no
white DJs. I gave it the DJ enough DJ Camillo,
Felly fat foun what's my other man, Julio g uh.
If it was just lat and I gave it to you,

(01:47:22):
I gave it to him. He ain't play that ship,
say I joking. He shouted on me in my face
though at least he too wave me though he said
in my face that Joe laughed in my face. So
then so the record, the record, I make it just
for a Porto parade. So this is three weeks before

(01:47:43):
the reporter parade and get five hundred spins. Didn't get
fifteen hundred spins, didn't get thirty five hundred spence did
they get? Wow, this is on his own.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
If you're a huge I ain't gonna lie one thing.
You gotta depend on lat thing you know is they Yeah,
that's what listen that record? You see that record, That's
all I was doing. I was catering to the Latin audience.
I was like, you want to fuck must support me.
They kicked me out of hip hop right now. They
kicking me out of hip hop for fucking with y'all.
Fucking with y'all, and the record became number one. I

(01:48:16):
had one hundred and forty million audience. I remember. I
remember l A Reed coming to me. It was like
you you you beat Mariah Carry this month. And I
didn't know what that meant, but I know what it meant. Yes,
I said that was shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
I said, holy mor biggest female artists on a planet.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
And I'm gonna tell you something. This is the first
time I knew that New York had seven radio stations.
I had only knew about Hot ninety seven. I only
knew about Power one on five. I had nothing to
know about k T You. I never knew about mag
Bad GUYE I never I never knew about I never
knew about I'm doing radio now different, different, I'm on

(01:48:55):
pop like I'm on pop. The record was so big.
I remember me. The record was so big one time.
I remember me being the club and the dude just
bumping into me and gone.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
Just looking at He's ice frilling me, singing me.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
I just say, you a legend. No, but so I
say that to say, I said, to say, now, look
at the trifecta of that they go got the wrong
was originally on that record. They got it on and
Daddy Yankee took two different approaches. When Dago was on

(01:49:32):
the record, the record was spiked in just Latino community.
Daddy Yankee made a deal with Interschool Intersco said it's
in their best interest to help depth Caam blow him
up on my condo. And then and then and then
we helped them on Gasolina remakes and look how look
how because a two major. I'm not trying to get

(01:49:54):
you the course over your major side, but I'm just
I'm just give you a sam. No, I'm sorry, cause
I keep looking at you. I want you to think like,
but what I'm saying is, look, look look at that
had had had those because if you look at the two,
it's five of the major records that hit reggae throne. Right,
I believe it's reggae thro Latino. I believe it's Gasolina

(01:50:15):
And but you know you actually make it My point. No, No,
what I'm saying is if you do something independently improve it,
then it gives you more leverage and not in the machine.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
I got you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
But what I'm saying for this, for this being like
so new, for it to be commercialized, for it to
get on MTV.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
You couldn't have been independent for.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
It to get on exactly but you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
But you started the buzz independently. Nobody believed in it,
right absolutely, that was my point.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's I'm trying to say.

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
It's like, but yeah, y'all, do know y'all both for right, yes, yes,
but at the time and when you was active, independent
was unheard of.

Speaker 1 (01:50:52):
Work.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Yes, trust it would work.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
But today independents are actually more effective than the majors
because of the new technologies and all the other you know, yeah,
and because of streaming, but all the resource that's been
created for the user.

Speaker 6 (01:51:08):
Well, the thing is independent works depending on what you
want out of being independent.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:51:12):
If if someone's trying to be big and they want
to make certain kind of bread, maybe it wouldn't work.
But maybe someone wants more creative you know, luxuries to
be able to do whatever the fuck they want.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
I mean, you give you that with a major as well.

Speaker 3 (01:51:24):
The only difference is the audience knows the difference between
a major push and an independent push and it's just
unfortunate that today's audience now they rather support the underdog,
right well, they don't even know anymore because they know
they knew is when SoundCloud became what it was, because

(01:51:45):
that was the home of the underdogs. SoundCloud became where
all the majors started picking from, like all of.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
Them, you know what I'm saying. And that's what they
stopped artists development. Now it's TikTok. I can't stand TikTok. Now, tiktoki.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
I can't even I can't stand. I can't stand it, yo.
But let's talk about ring tones. Was that something that
that that?

Speaker 6 (01:52:09):
Because that's crazy that that's like non existent really how
big it was.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
But that was the first time. I don't know if
you've seen Snoop recently, Snoopers like, man, he was talking
to Larry Jackson. He's like, Larry Jackson's talking all this
crazy ship. But I'm priatephras and obviously, and he's like,
but us as artists, we don't even know how much
we get a stream. We don't really tell, you know,
but uh, how do you what?

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
Ringtones?

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
So Ringtones the first time I complain because I was
just like what the fuck is this ship? Like, why
is my ship platinum? And I'm not receiving nothing for it?
What I understood was it was going under electronical rights. Yeah,
you you you signed over your digital rights digital rights.
I didn't. I didn't know about that. That's what I
don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:52:57):
It wasn't You heard it too to it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
But it wasn't there that the word.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
Digital wasn't it At the time when when you signed
your original contract, it was that language wasn't there. But
at the second time, when they renegotiated a little bit
more money.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
You ain't even care what that was. You just wanted
that money. Yeah, I got a I got this clearly
said digital right. No, I got disagree. I don't think
it was dead. I don't think it was.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
I promise you where year was that this was? Well, well,
any year, any year after two thousand and six.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Yeah no, no, no, no, wait, because they changed they
changed the language in two thousand and four. Okay, okay,
most people ain't start catching to two thousand and six.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
That's probably when I caught it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
You caught chosen you're on the renegotiation. That's where a
lot of people got hit. Okay, that's where a lot
of people got hit. See what what made me a
little bit different was I was a businessman first, right,
and then when we and it started because s r
C was a little bit slow on so in situations too,
because they had a boutique label.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
They were just distributed by major.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
So it gave me more time to understand what was
going on, understand the business a little bit more because
Steve Riffins was wide open.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
He was very transparent about it's work, right.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
So God, So I'm looking at how much singles were selling,
but then the ring tones everywhere I go. I would
hear songs on people's phones and I say, yo, how much?
Like how much is that that you're paying for? They
said fort ninety nine. I said, damn, that's for like
a couple of seconds fort ninety nine and were selling

(01:54:36):
singles for one ninety nine for four minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
I said, wait, hold on, this is different. How much?
Let me find out how much I'm getting.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
So I call my turn I say, yo, how much
do I make from those ringtones if somebody use my phone?
He said, well, let me check your contract. He said, oh, well,
I don't know, it's not in your contract. I said,
what do you mean, it's not in my contract. He said,
it's not in here. It says nothing about ringtone sells
anything digital. So that that stuff with me. So then
I started making music. Specifically, put the phone because it's

(01:55:05):
four ninety nine for a few seconds. Any basic businessman,
I tell you that's where the money is.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
So every song that we was releasing was very ring
tone friendly, especially mister Lonely Right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
So then we put that thing original TikTok boom.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
It is definitely good.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
Describe it, yes, right now, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
So then we put the records out, but we would
always make ring tone versions, chop them up into the
different parts of the song we chopped.

Speaker 1 (01:55:33):
That was like my main focus. I didn't care about
the singles and we just focused on the folks.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
Every record I produced, I made sure it's ringtone friendly,
pup and before you know it, bro we was making
so much on ring tones.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
But it was money sitting in the pipeline.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
You had to go claim it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
Yes, And they think I ain't know, but I knew
because they don't know that I knew. So I'm just
letting the pile up. Letting the pile up. Renegotiation came.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
Nigga, I gotta put it down female a city.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Boy. They tried to split that digital language, and I said,
that's a separate deal all together. I advanced for the
digital side because I bro At that time, I was
in a Guinness Book of World Records for the most
ring tone sold ever, I mean, above Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson,
any catalog beetles. It didn't matter. We trumped everybody. So

(01:56:33):
we just waited and you made a separate deal. First,
digital was a whole nother deal. They had nothing to
do it and lot sales and tapes and CDs. This
is digital's hold us something. We don't even know what
this is yet, you know what I'm saying. And that's
where ringtos first fell on the exactly anything.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
I'm like, digital's too broad.

Speaker 1 (01:56:52):
Let's break that down, like what you meant?

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
You know, Yeah, it's too broad.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
And these contras do that to you because they can,
they can actually win because it actually literally is and
they counting on you not really reading the contract, they
counting on you not understanding it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
But what's interesting is even the attorneys at that time
didn't really understand it because those guys are just guys
sitting in the office. But I was always a tech tech.
I was just always tech. I was always ahead of text.
This is some of our tech that I just I was.
I just always loved you know what I'm saying. So
the word digital mad, I knew exactly what that meant.
But I also knew where the world was going. And

(01:57:28):
I just ain't want nothing to come and you know,
and I want to be a part of everything. So
I said, no, let's let's define what this is specifically,
so if some a new technology come, we can define
that as it comes.

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
So was iTunes back then?

Speaker 4 (01:57:42):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
iTunes At that time they was fighting against Napster least
the ship for free.

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
Yeah, Nash is the beginning of streaming. Honestly, they the
godfather in the stream. I put that and they said
that music was going to be free for all. They
could not understanding. Look at today. I remember when I
went on down Stock, I cried. They had all my
shit on there.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
I was like, oh, it's like, oh my god, what
do you do? What do you playing to?

Speaker 7 (01:58:12):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:58:13):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
Because I don't be one people who listen to myself
for free? Fuck that.

Speaker 6 (01:58:16):
Fuck them fighting the bootleggings. You're beating up the poor bootlegs.
Let's go on, what are you doing here? Okay, So
in the vein of seeing the future and the technology,
what are you thinking now about AI?

Speaker 1 (01:58:32):
What's that? Where is that going for? It is dangerous? Yes,
it's dangerous. Can do a whole album with you. You
ain't even gotta be there. I mean there's a lot
of different aspects to it.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
Yeah, that's not Yeah, that's not the part of scares
me because, like I told you, when I look at
I'm thinking about twenty five years from now, AI has
created It's almost like you know how they got the
saying that everything you see in the movies eventually happens.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
It's actually very true. Robot everything very matrix terminated. Let
me play how let me play how I robot?

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
And this actually relates. Okay, we're talking about AI. This
is machine learning.

Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:59:08):
The problem with about the problem with us is humans.
We are just very arrogant and we're super greedy. It's
never enough for us. It always got to be more.
We always want more. Right as if right now world.

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
Amazing that we just ain't satisfied.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
We just got to build better, right, Why let me
play with with with.

Speaker 1 (01:59:26):
With machines or computers.

Speaker 3 (01:59:29):
For instance, when you build a computer that can teach
itself to teach yourself, computers already smarter than we are.

Speaker 1 (01:59:38):
Right, right, because of the computing power, how fast they
can right, computer is already smarter than us.

Speaker 3 (01:59:44):
This is the process, right, So now imagine when the
when the when the computer.

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
Itself can teach itself.

Speaker 3 (01:59:50):
What happens is it'll start teaching itself things that we
can't uncold.

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
Could we code itself. It's thank you, it'll code itself.
You can't control with the coldes because depending on the
original programmer, whether he's thinking positive or negative, whether it's
someone that want to change the world or destroy the world.

Speaker 3 (02:00:08):
That's where it becomes complicated, because if you find somebody
that's creating situations that's in his best interest, and he
may just be smart.

Speaker 1 (02:00:14):
Enough to crowd something that's gonna continue to you know,
like teach yourself to a certain level. Then computers become
a threat.

Speaker 3 (02:00:23):
Let's say hypothetically, computers in the security sector. Everything is
a threat to the computer. It doesn't know that you're
approaching me with good intentions. It just knows that you're
walking up on me with a gun on your you know,
on your waist, and your hot and your blood pressure
is spiked up, maybe just because you just take blood

(02:00:44):
pressure medicine.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
The first thing is going to happen is and that's
what's happening. They're using machines for weapon. But in order
to make a weapon, you also got to make something
that's gonna protect. Right, So what's gonna happen is everybody
that's actually against AI comes a threat now, so guess
what they have to create machines to protect us from
those who are against it, right, imagine that. Right, let's

(02:01:11):
just say we don't want man, we're not for that. Okay,
we're already on record. They know where we live, they
know where we at all times. They have all our information,
all our data, meta data, everything about us. They know,
bro all just trying to figure out if you getting tapped. Yes, nigga,
you are, bottom line, they know everything. That's how AI
is even existing the day with all this information. Right,
so now they know that we're against AI, so called

(02:01:32):
against AI, we're already a threat to the system. So
now those machines are watching us, checking for us. The
moment we make a move that feels that it's a
threat to the whole situation, we are terminated.

Speaker 6 (02:01:43):
And it can calculate your moves because they get and say, okay,
this is.

Speaker 3 (02:01:46):
Probably thing, So now let's take it further. Right, they
didn't already dealt with the ones that's against it. Now
the ones that's against it got families.

Speaker 2 (02:01:56):
They go against them too.

Speaker 1 (02:01:58):
Now they're against it. It's just a matter of time
before those machines turn from protecting.

Speaker 2 (02:02:02):
Us to go in after us.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
I mean, it may not happen like this, but it's
just a matter of time because the more the machines
get smarter they become, they become what takes control of everything.
Guess how many jobs are gonna get lost? Yep, millions
of jobs.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
I already seen the garbage truck with no garbage men.

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
Now we take it even a step further. So the
people that lost millions of jobs right, ain't got no
way to feed their family. What they're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (02:02:25):
They're gonna turn to the street to turn it some
against their own nature to feed their families.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
So now they've become the outlaw.

Speaker 3 (02:02:32):
And guess why I got to get protected from the machines,
not have to protect those outlaws that lost all their
jobs because of the machines to feed their families, and
they become a threat and before you know it, some
tragic's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (02:02:43):
It's just a matter of time before we kill ourselves. Yeah,
I mean, it's not really far and that's just going
that way. What it could do.

Speaker 6 (02:02:48):
I mean it could be as simple as AI is
created to protect the environment. Who's the worst person against
the environment.

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
It's the human things.

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
And then the says the humans the problem because we
are humans controlling the a I don't know, we.

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
Are always doing so. It's this is why it is dangerous.
One like this is why is dangerous? Wizard behind this
was dangerous? Nobody who controlling this is? We created it
to teach and control itself. It's intelligence, artificial intelligence. It
teaches it.

Speaker 3 (02:03:21):
There's there's no there's no senses of it. It doesn't
have feeling, it doesn't have emotion.

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
It does a big like place somewhere where we like,
as did.

Speaker 6 (02:03:31):
Multiple companies and governments, like he said, there's multiple entities
doing it in their own way however they want, right,
But there's there was an AI that taught itself in
a language that was never programmed to even learn a language,
tought itself banglades Bangladeshi or whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
The name of the languages, but you know, Banglo, Banglanese, whatever, but.

Speaker 2 (02:03:56):
I thought itself a language.

Speaker 6 (02:03:58):
But that's wild that a computer taught itself a language
without being programmed to do that, right.

Speaker 3 (02:04:04):
The problem is we can't control it once it gets
to the point of teaching itself, right, because when it
starts to teach yourself, it acts on.

Speaker 1 (02:04:09):
What it teaches itself.

Speaker 3 (02:04:11):
So yeah, you can turn it off, all right, cool,
But there's a million other ones that's open right now
that's still plugged in then when they are But you
used to have a big database in every part of
the world because they always got separate database in case
one go wrong and one get bombed or whatever. But
we're just talking just basic analogies' hypotheticals. But now we're
talking about war because really AI is really to gain
knowledge and be able to gain positioning when it comes

(02:04:33):
to war, threat from other countries and other foreign nations
and whatever the case may be.

Speaker 1 (02:04:38):
But the problem is the world is living on fear.
Right as long as we.

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
Living on fear.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
Everything is a threat. So as long as everything's a threat,
nobody's safe. That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (02:04:46):
There's an arm race, arms race to create app Every
government is doing it.

Speaker 3 (02:04:50):
Everybody's doing it just but they're doing it to use
it as a weapon though. That's what's dangerous. That's the
scarier part.

Speaker 2 (02:04:56):
I thought they was doing it just to use Biggie and.

Speaker 6 (02:04:58):
Prodigy versus you ain't hear Ice Cube Ice said, he said,
is the mark? He said, you used my voice. I'm
showing you in any platform.

Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
To post it. And I and I agree, that's music
is actually was the biggest threat. I'm like, you got
your own Biggie boy. I mean, if you're talking about
that's you're thinking for music, for musical, You're right, it's
endless things. I heard. I heard Biggie spit in New
York state of mind. I said, wait a minute, that's

(02:05:27):
not But what you.

Speaker 6 (02:05:28):
Got to worry about is when Nori is calling the
police and say I admit to this crime. That's what
you gotta worry about. That's what the everyday person's voice being.

Speaker 1 (02:05:37):
Used, right, and that could be done by your baby mama.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
I don't like you.

Speaker 1 (02:05:41):
I'm glad that one knows me because you got like
nine wives. Right, no comments, you said it last time,
no comment, you wind that back. I learned my lesson.

Speaker 2 (02:06:13):
That's like more making the record or performing it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:17):
That's yeah, me.

Speaker 3 (02:06:18):
I like both, man, Yeah, I like both because it's
nothing like making the record and creating something and you're like, Dann,
this is crazy. But then when you see how other
people are reacting to it, that that's that's the only
high experience really.

Speaker 1 (02:06:32):
Yeah, so both, Yeah, definitely place to perform Africa, Africa,
Yeah or Africa, it don't matter. Africa is always crazy. Wow,
always crazy. India always crazy India. India is always crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:06:47):
Mumbai, Mumbai, mum by m bye. You don't have to
use your your eyebrows to say about man.

Speaker 1 (02:07:03):
Man what riga again?

Speaker 2 (02:07:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (02:07:11):
Rather loud you go.

Speaker 3 (02:07:13):
Viral and Mumbai Now so what that's the nucleus boy?
Without that man, that'd be no acon by. So let
me ask you, he's a slap Steve be like, YO,
treat him good. That's my African.

Speaker 2 (02:07:40):
Let me ask you right, like, are you in the
cars like I used to be? Because I used to be.
I nearly told he was in the cars I used
to have like twenty cars at one time.

Speaker 1 (02:07:49):
Thirty five cars. That's the legit side, though, is the
ones that you get.

Speaker 2 (02:07:55):
I'm talking about legal.

Speaker 1 (02:07:57):
Yeah, I was thirty All was white, white interior, every
last huh. I mean it does comes from the mother
lamb bro he was, he was, so they all was white,
white interior, white interia, white exterior.

Speaker 2 (02:08:17):
So you never smoked the ship. They trying to get
me up out of here. Wrap it up, independent, puppy.
You know you want to come over here, party, be
over here.

Speaker 1 (02:08:31):
Party. You're just talking about this record?

Speaker 2 (02:08:34):
So so damn And what are you in the muscle
cars now?

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
At the time, I was into more sports cars, Supercarsmborghini.
Bugattis all that pung ganis.

Speaker 2 (02:08:47):
It's not it's not called Bugti. That's all he was
pronounceing with it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:52):
You got a Bugatti and then you have a pool
no Bugatti, and it was a what was it again?
It's a Bugatti and a pughanikay, I don't know what
is sot.

Speaker 3 (02:09:06):
Pugani at that time was more expensive than the Bugti.
It's called puganis under and.

Speaker 2 (02:09:11):
Where that should come from?

Speaker 1 (02:09:12):
That's come from.

Speaker 3 (02:09:12):
It's an Italian cars.

Speaker 1 (02:09:17):
Muti pu Ghani, pum Ghani, Pugani do soth Indian. It's
called look it up crazy, look like Bollywood at the time.
That's that's yeah, that car. That car was more expensive
than a Bugatti at that time. But you couldn't even
get that in the United States because the specs didn't

(02:09:38):
match the US standards. So I bought it fluid to
Canada and then drove it into the States. That's how
I got it in.

Speaker 2 (02:09:45):
Yeah, And the troopers from Canada let you in. They said,
that's a car.

Speaker 1 (02:09:48):
Let to them now, don't care papers to get in.
They like, that's a nice cars.

Speaker 2 (02:09:55):
A lot of criminals. Canada is like so far away, right,
I know, Drake you yeah, Drake, Drake got the pull.

Speaker 1 (02:10:02):
Yeah, because even now today, when I go into Canada,
I have to fill out the whole I gotta leave
a bond, all that craziness.

Speaker 2 (02:10:09):
Wait, a bond, a fifty.

Speaker 3 (02:10:11):
Thousand dollars bond to make sure I don't start no trouble.
And if I come in with no problems and they
give me the money back and it's all from my
like twenty twenty four, twenty five year old record from
a record, yeah from twenty years ago.

Speaker 1 (02:10:23):
Bro like, but not a music record. No, like, like
you're right right, oh your record. Yeah, they go back
into your priors, just your arrest record, and they're using
that against you now. Oh yeah yeah, but you get
in all the time.

Speaker 3 (02:10:36):
So yeah, but you got to go through the whole process,
getting lawyer, do the paperwork.

Speaker 1 (02:10:41):
Really, that's fuck no, yeah, Canada don't play.

Speaker 2 (02:10:43):
That's fucked up. Yeah, and they make you leave a
fifty thousand dollars deposit.

Speaker 1 (02:10:47):
Ye'll leave fift thousand dollars bar.

Speaker 2 (02:10:48):
You don't smoke or get get drunk, you forget your
fifty thousands.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
I just make the promoter pay for it. Yeah, that's that's.

Speaker 2 (02:10:58):
That means I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:11:01):
Oh yeah, you never your boys is never around. It's like, hey,
hey car, here's some blood.

Speaker 3 (02:11:06):
No, of course, everybody hung around with smoke weed. Everybody
you never smoke. I used to love the smell of it.
I just couldn't smoke it.

Speaker 2 (02:11:12):
Never smoked.

Speaker 3 (02:11:12):
It was for religious purposes though, Okay, yeah, that's why
I never smoked.

Speaker 1 (02:11:16):
Drinking religious purposes.

Speaker 3 (02:11:18):
Well, but even if I had a chance to drink
after that accidental shot, I would never do it.

Speaker 2 (02:11:21):
Again, never ever.

Speaker 6 (02:11:27):
Absolutely, So, if you had one thing you would say
that you regret doing that you would have done differently.

Speaker 1 (02:11:32):
In the industry, what would it be? Oh? Nothing, actually,
nothing at all.

Speaker 3 (02:11:36):
I feel like everything that you go through is for
a purpose of like, I don't believe, I don't believe
in mistakes.

Speaker 6 (02:11:41):
All right, Okay, so let me rephrase it so someone
could learn from it. What did you do that seemed
like a mistake, but that you learned the biggest lesson from.

Speaker 1 (02:11:51):
Let me think that seemed like a mistake, but I
learned the biggest lesson from.

Speaker 3 (02:12:04):
Getting arrested thousand absolutely, Because you know what's interesting was
that was my turning point. That was honestly the turning
point for my life because just sitting in the box
that long, I was able to see my future. I
was able to say, Okay, damn, is this what I
want for myself for the rest of my life. This
cannot be out this this, this can't be my life

(02:12:25):
like he just can't. And that's when I created my
tenure plan on what I was gonna do when I
get out to make sure I never come back in here.

Speaker 2 (02:12:33):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:12:33):
So convey music was started while I was in jail.
You know, I had an older old g ain't boonie.
He was actually older. He was on his way to
death row. He had killed his wife. Yeah, yeah, he
was the real He was just connecting through, like passing through,

(02:12:54):
you know, and he was like, man, with all this talent, Like,
just imagine if you harness all that energy towards something positive.
Just think about it, because half the people in here
they were successful at doing dumb shit, like really, but
then once you get.

Speaker 1 (02:13:09):
Popped, all of it is over all that time, all
that thought, all.

Speaker 3 (02:13:12):
That process, all that energy putting into something that you're
growing in.

Speaker 1 (02:13:15):
You can't even keep it. You gotta watch it back,
like what's what's like?

Speaker 6 (02:13:18):
Why?

Speaker 3 (02:13:19):
But imagine not finding something that you good at and
it's putting all that energy into that. Everything goes good
for you after that. When I thought about that, I said, man,
you know what, You're right? I said, the only thing
I could do now is music.

Speaker 2 (02:13:31):
That's why you don't believe in no mistakes.

Speaker 1 (02:13:33):
I don't believe in no mistakes. I believe that everything
happens for a purpose.

Speaker 3 (02:13:36):
Yeah, that's some everything happens for you to learn from it,
or it's a process or an obstacle you have to
pass through to get to what your final destination is
or to get to your purpose. But I feel like
everything is set up for you to deal with that
and you if you ain't at your purpose and the
obstacles you're dealing with.

Speaker 1 (02:13:52):
Is to prepare you for that moment. So I don't
believe there's no mistakes. You know that exists. Do you
feel your the Acon City is your ultimate purpose?

Speaker 3 (02:14:00):
I think developing Africa is my ultimate purpose, but I
think Acon City is the beginning of it.

Speaker 1 (02:14:05):
Yeah, all of Africa, all of Africa as much as
I possibly can. Right, that's just you putting the example
for the for the rest of the movie.

Speaker 2 (02:14:12):
Absolutely, I'm abound around a little bit because like the
one thing I was loving going through your disography is
just like it's just a global music. Like when you
go in the studio, is you trying to please everybody?
Because you have those records that actually please every race,
every color, creed, whatever, Like you you have like a
universal music. If I you know cancer, is that something

(02:14:35):
that you do on purpose or it's just it depends
on how you make the beat, like describe.

Speaker 3 (02:14:40):
It depends on how I feel that day, like I
make music according to how I feel, but I don't.
I don't stagnate my music relating or box it up
within genres, like I just know what I just if
it feels good to me, I know it's gonna feel
good to millions of other people. So I never put
myself in a position where, Okay, if I feel good,
I gotta make a feel good hip hop record or
feel good country record or feel good R and B record.

Speaker 1 (02:15:00):
I just make what feels good.

Speaker 3 (02:15:01):
To me at that moment, and I just allow it
to be what it is, like I don't try to
manage your change it to be what I think it
should be.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
I just allowed it to be.

Speaker 3 (02:15:10):
And then, like I said, records is always gonna find
his own audience. Just put it out in the audience
will find it.

Speaker 2 (02:15:15):
Let me ask you, because I remember being the studio
for a ral for so long and me like working
on my records and him other artists coming to see him,
and other artists will be like, yo, man, I want
to beat like this right, and I want a song
like this, And I remember he would.

Speaker 1 (02:15:31):
I don't blame him, I'm just like him, So I just.

Speaker 3 (02:15:34):
Say okay, I just say okay by the time the
song is done, but they still loving because one thing
I realized about artists, as long as they are a
part of the process making, they're gonna love it because
it's really them just expressing. So when they come and say, well,
I want to record, I want. I want the record
like R Kelly record I want, I'm like, but yeah,

(02:15:56):
but you're not R Kelly. Number one that R Kelly
came because R Kelly wrote that record according to his experience.
What is your experience that can make R Kelly say
I want a nory type of record.

Speaker 1 (02:16:08):
That's what we want to find today. Man, you know what,
You're right bro? All right, well let's get to it, nigga,
what it is, what we're doing. What's the topic?

Speaker 2 (02:16:14):
Girls?

Speaker 3 (02:16:14):
Love, hatred? What Let's figure it out. Then from now,
it's a conversation, you know what I'm saying. The conversation
will always dictate the title of the song. Once you
got the title, everything else is easy.

Speaker 2 (02:16:24):
To Let me ask you, if you're writing a record
for somebody, is it a process that you happen to
hang with them? Can you write a record for somebody
that you don't know?

Speaker 1 (02:16:30):
Yeah, you can.

Speaker 3 (02:16:31):
I do it all the time, but I'm just shooting
in the dark, okay, And is it better when you
do know them? It's a lot better when you know
them or y'all had communication, because then I can better understand.

Speaker 2 (02:16:41):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (02:16:41):
I like to make reality records, records that fit the
person that's singing it, or records that they can relate
to themselves, because it makes them want comfortable exactly and
love the record, and they'll perform it better, they'll push
it better. Like you know, when you got something that
you love, you actually engage, right, So the idea is
give them something that they I think that they would,
that fits something within their life that they can attach

(02:17:01):
themselves to. So the conversation always works. But if not,
it'd be like, okay, cool, well you know what kind
of feel are you looking for? Just get basic information.
Once I got it, then I know. Because most people look,
you gotta worry about what they're not telling you. Like,
one thing about the music business is that everybody's going
through something. The problem is nobody will tell you what
they're going through because they have this image that they
have to always portray to be bigger than the average. Right,

(02:17:24):
they pretend they have no problems. Everything is all good.
But those are the ones I know going through some shit.
But if they come and they spill it out, oh man,
she just fucked up. That's an easy one because I
know I just got to I know what that is.
I just gotta to give them something the lift, right.
But the ones that come, man, everything all good, a
million chains billy ourselves.

Speaker 1 (02:17:44):
Man, life is good. I give them a struggle record.
The niggas be in there like crime. I know. All
these bells and whistles is to distract me from what
you're really dealing with.

Speaker 2 (02:17:56):
You know what I'm saying. That's what it is. Everybody.

Speaker 7 (02:17:58):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (02:17:59):
You how many niggas that you see?

Speaker 3 (02:18:03):
They just look rich as fuck going through and you man, man, man,
I want to God to tell me how you're doing this. Man, Like,
give me some advice, man, some success. They give you
all the advice and you'll listen and be like, man,
that's what's up.

Speaker 1 (02:18:15):
A week later they calling you for a loan, but
it's gonna be behind an excuse. Well, you know, man,
my fucking business magic fucked on my taxes and ship man,
I got the bro, don't worry about its all good.
Here you go you understand what I'm saying, Like they
still even at the point of their bottom low, they
still want to make it seem like they're still big.

Speaker 3 (02:18:35):
And it was a big obstacle that made them have
to come to you. No one can just open their
mind and be honest and transparent. Say yo, bro, this
is wrong. This is wrong man, from your experience, how
can I fix That's how you do it? Because guess
what now, I might give you some information that never
puts you there again, but you gotta be real with.

Speaker 1 (02:18:52):
Yourself, real talk. But we just it's hard for us,
you know.

Speaker 2 (02:18:55):
What I'm saying. How about writing for a female.

Speaker 1 (02:18:58):
Females are very easy.

Speaker 3 (02:19:01):
Females to me, are easier to write for it than
men because females are transparent.

Speaker 1 (02:19:06):
Okay, they super transparent.

Speaker 2 (02:19:09):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:19:09):
They don't even think about it when they say especial
when they feel some kind of.

Speaker 2 (02:19:12):
Way, and when you write records for them that that
they feeling.

Speaker 1 (02:19:15):
Oh yeah, you're gonna sell it because they know emotion
and record right. Emotional records always go good with females,
okay always. And if it's gonna be an upbeat record,
it got to be an upbeat record. That another female
will be like, well, they'll be like, oh wait, does
she hear this? That record has to make another woman jealous?

Speaker 3 (02:19:33):
But the records that tap into their feelings and emotions, yeah,
those always go. That's why ballasts really work really well
with women a lot. But if you're gonna do up
tempo records, it should be something that has a ballody
a topic, but yet an uptempo record that they can
find themselves in a more happiest space.

Speaker 2 (02:19:48):
Could you write for Rihanna all Day one thousand?

Speaker 1 (02:19:51):
How about Beyonce? Super easy? And they said super easy?

Speaker 3 (02:19:56):
Yeah, super easy because Beyonce got the like right now
would be when you look at the music that she's getting, Like,
even with her, like when I listen to her music,
I still feel like there's a lot more of her
that we ain't tapping. As a writer, as a producer myself,
and how I read people, I believe that there's so
much that she wants to talk about on her records
that she doesn't do it because of who she is

(02:20:17):
and what she thinks people may think about her.

Speaker 1 (02:20:20):
That's just me personal speaking, right.

Speaker 3 (02:20:21):
I think the records that she's making today are records
that she just feel the younger generation will gravitate to.

Speaker 1 (02:20:27):
But I don't think it's the essence of what that is.
And you're saying that lyrically and vocally, But what about production?
Was production is following the lyrics.

Speaker 3 (02:20:34):
It's just following the person that's hot at the moment,
a person that submits a great song.

Speaker 1 (02:20:39):
But it's so like I see her bigger.

Speaker 3 (02:20:41):
Honestly, I feel I see her as almost like a
musical or artistry, like because you know, prophets come in
different forms, yes, like for feminine and other. She's their
profit to me, to them because she speaks into their minds,
into their hearts. Like you can't say anything wrong about
Beyonce to a Beyonce fan, No, that gives you a responsibility.

(02:21:05):
You understand what I'm saying, Like, there's certain Beyonce records
that changes people's outlook in life, and she has the
potential to do that if she goes there, if she
decides to go there, because I personal believe that she
will eventually go there. Right now, she's bigger than life.
She can't get no bigger. But there's nowhere else left to.

Speaker 2 (02:21:23):
Go with her.

Speaker 1 (02:21:23):
She's the top of the top.

Speaker 3 (02:21:25):
Yeah, I believe so, you know what I'm saying, and
rightly so, because she's a hard fucking worker. From what
I know and what I've seen from the district, you
understand what I'm saying. Like nobody, she's the best that
ever did it. But me personally as a fan, I
would want to see her get deeper, like challenge herself
more from a musical standpoint, like go in places where

(02:21:45):
even she ain't there to go, just do it because
I believe she has the capability to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:21:49):
Who else somebody do you think there has capabilities to
do that and hasn't reached it, that hasn't reached it.
I think Chris Brown has that. Oh wow, I think
Chris Brown has it all day.

Speaker 2 (02:22:00):
But you think that he does not getting He's not
tapping into hiss.

Speaker 3 (02:22:04):
No, he's tapping into his emotions. I just think he's
tapped into the wrong frequency.

Speaker 1 (02:22:09):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:22:10):
I think the frequency that he's tapped into won't allow
him to grow beyond who he is because he's surrounded
by so many distractions, you know what I mean. But
I think for what he does and what he represents
to the this culture. From a performer from an artist
from a vocalist.

Speaker 1 (02:22:26):
He got what it takes. He just got to be
He's fearless already.

Speaker 2 (02:22:30):
We've seen him on Lovers and Friends. This month, I
had to show and he had to show. I saw.
I got to see him on the stage. Boy, he
told because the problem, Yeah he goes and like I
knew he went in, but actually that's my first time
kind of like got to see.

Speaker 3 (02:22:51):
It, right, Like he's a problem. But the good thing
about Chris that he got plenty of time because he's young.
So this is also gathering all those voices, all the
you know, souls that he needs to be able, you know,
influence in a certain kind of way.

Speaker 1 (02:23:04):
I just feel like when God gives you that much
power to.

Speaker 3 (02:23:06):
Influence or be influenced by so many different people, that
that that that is always like a responsibility to find
somewhere to to define all the challenges that's in society.
You understand what I'm saying, Like, I just don't believe
that we who we are.

Speaker 1 (02:23:22):
For just the sake of just being who we are.

Speaker 3 (02:23:24):
I believe that we're chosen to be who we are
right until we understand what our purpose is. That's when
we that's when we become impactful.

Speaker 1 (02:23:30):
You know what I mean? Right?

Speaker 2 (02:23:32):
So that's talking about I still kill with fifty real quick? Right,
how did that come about? Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:23:36):
Man, fifty that called me with that one? Fifty called
me with that and say, yokn.

Speaker 2 (02:23:40):
So he produced that one.

Speaker 3 (02:23:41):
No, no, he got it was another producer on it
under his camp that actually did that one, ok, And
he was like, Yo, kN listen, I got this record, bro,
you know what, just call me back after you hear it.

Speaker 1 (02:23:54):
He sent me. I heard the verses her to beat.

Speaker 2 (02:23:57):
I was like, oh, this is crazy, and I'm listening
to the lyrics.

Speaker 3 (02:24:01):
I'm already knowing what he's saying without saying it because
at this point the niggas he just sold vitamin water.

Speaker 1 (02:24:09):
This nigga two hundred and fifty million dollar niggas like, Nigga,
don't get it fucked, you know what It's like that,
It's like, how do we say that when niggas know
I'm not playing with him perform too? Right?

Speaker 2 (02:24:21):

Speaker 3 (02:24:22):
So I sent it back with the chorus on it,
and he was like, Nigga, this is it, Oh, this
is it. But at the time I was kind of
worried about where we would go because even me, my, my,
I was so pop at that time. The question was like, Okay,
we'll still be believable.

Speaker 1 (02:24:37):
Though.

Speaker 3 (02:24:38):
No, that's one thing I do question myself a lot,
what like when to go back to the street or
if ever do I even need to go back to
the street?

Speaker 1 (02:24:46):
Right, that's ever? No, no, no hold on, listen, no, no, listen.
I'm not talking about physically, no reason for me being
the hood. All my hood niggas know they got to
come see me. I'm not going there, bro, I'm not
doing that this already.

Speaker 3 (02:25:00):
But from a musical standpoint, the question is because I
always believe that my role plays a responsibility to them.
That was why I was raising that environment to make
a difference. Right, So the only way to actually make
an impact is to find a way to still tap in.

Speaker 1 (02:25:15):
But you can't just go and forget about it, Like
is if you don't give a fuck, you understand I'm saying,
like there has to be a sense of knowing, Okay,
there's a role that they're still there for me to
play that they won't take for granted.

Speaker 3 (02:25:28):
Now they take it for granted, then you can't really
control what other people's decisions decided to make. But for
the most part, you know you did your part right.
So when I say go back to the streets, I'm
always talking music. You know what I'm saying. Musically, you can,
but I think my topic matter ain't gonna be what
they want to hear, So you gotta wait for the
right time to give it to them. Because I feel

(02:25:49):
like the music an urban rap is lacking the message
everybody scared. Like to me, when I listen to music,
it sound like everybody scared to death because it's like
this conc cansel culture comes from just being indecisive and
not making up your own mind. You're letting somebody else
tell you what you think should be relevant and what's not.

Speaker 1 (02:26:08):
That just tells me that the world at this specific thing,
this specific thing.

Speaker 3 (02:26:13):
When the music, it sounds like everybody's scared to death,
because what I know from the street is that when
somebody's afraid, they're gonna do something to distract you from
you thinking that they're afraid. Right, And when somebody feel
like that you may be a threat, it's like it's
like a possum when you pull up on it, a

(02:26:33):
porcupine when you pull up on it and all this
what's the name is pop? You don't want to tap
into it because you might get stung. So gets over
when the niggas the first thing they do when they
get scared. Oh, nigga, you'a got that for real, But
you're not realizing that his chest is being way harder
than yours.

Speaker 1 (02:26:51):
You understand what I'm saying. So when I listen to
the music, that's what it's getting from me.

Speaker 3 (02:26:55):
You got a whole bunch of young guys, super well
POTENTI like the future in front of them, all of them,
but they all scared to death because of Unfortunately, it's
it's our fault because we introduced that kind of music
that made it cool, right, So now when they see
themselves in real life, they have to live up to
that because if they don't and social media, so what

(02:27:18):
happens is now they're active in the life that they
don't really understand outside of the music side of that world.
And this is why you got so many young rappers
dying because they're making so many mistakes out.

Speaker 1 (02:27:28):
Of fear.

Speaker 2 (02:27:30):
To what you said you was on when and they
said that the.

Speaker 1 (02:27:34):
Sweet escape, Sweet escape to us.

Speaker 2 (02:27:36):
Gwen Stefani. Yeah, and you said, who try to horizon?
Do you feel like that was the first kind of
step of people get into this castle coach of things?

Speaker 3 (02:27:46):
Do you think not really, because there's been many companies
I've always done. Companies always pull out their sponsorship.

Speaker 1 (02:27:55):
Controversy.

Speaker 3 (02:27:55):
You know, you make an action, but they don't realize
if it doesn't have anything to do with what they're
sponsoring you for, they should just leave it alone. What
human do you know ain't gonna make a mistake, especially
that has nothing to do with their occupation, Like, this
is their job, this is what they do. Great, they
did some of the personal life that has nothing to

(02:28:15):
do with this, But yeah, you want to cancel them
because you were afraid of what other people are saying
of his personal action, and I think that's unfair.

Speaker 2 (02:28:22):
Or even Adidas taking Kanye back they have no choice.
Do he make no noise for that? You spoke about
Beautiful earlier in the HAGH cut you off right, So
where was you at? What was the process of making
this record? Yeah, Beautiful was a process, honestly, that was
that was what my.

Speaker 1 (02:28:42):
With my wife, you know, she she always you know,
that's that was around the time when I was peaking,
you know.

Speaker 3 (02:28:48):
And everywhere I go, you know, this is your career. Yeah,
my career video shoots is always beautiful women. Every event
is always beautiful women. So there's always that insecurity that
comes within women when you when they.

Speaker 1 (02:28:59):
See that and everybody see it either.

Speaker 2 (02:29:02):
Way, she sees you, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:29:04):
So that song was inspired by just you know, my
conversations to her, like you me like you mine number one,
without doubt, don't ever in your life think that anything
is better than you, like the most beautiful thing in
the world, period.

Speaker 1 (02:29:22):
So that record was her she needs to know that.
Let's ticket to Who That Girl? I think I got
a few titles with Who That Girl? Which one was
with the one you want?

Speaker 3 (02:29:41):
Was that the one Flow Riders? That's right, that's wont Flo.
Yeah that was the biggest one. Yeah, yeah, that's so
that one Me and Flow, which is waiting for the
right time to work.

Speaker 1 (02:29:49):
Man, for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:29:51):
Like and Flow is like my brother from another mother.
Like we super super super tight, and we had never
worked together because of our schedules, but we was always
bumping to each other and one day he was like, man,
look everything you're doing cancel what you got going. We
saw each other in Miami, I mean in l A,
and I was like, let's let's just go do it,
because if we don't take make the time, it's not
gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (02:30:09):
And sure enough we cut the record in Miami and
shot the video in l A. Goddamn, how was the video?
Vibes vibes, big big record, big big record? You know?

Speaker 2 (02:30:19):
Smoking ukah, Where we get where we get this.

Speaker 1 (02:30:22):
A get dot com? Get uka? Oh, okay, get interesting
now very smart?

Speaker 2 (02:30:31):
Actually smoke you smokes show no, no, no, you don't smoke.

Speaker 1 (02:30:34):
Ship. My voice is my investment.

Speaker 2 (02:30:37):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:30:38):
Yes, you don't destroy and.

Speaker 2 (02:30:39):
Drink a lot of tea. You gotta drink a lot
of tea. Yeah, what's on your rider?

Speaker 1 (02:30:44):
My ride is very simple. Actually, I got black towels,
only black towers. Yeah, black towns.

Speaker 2 (02:30:50):
You said towns. I said they got they gotta they
gotta gotta construction.

Speaker 1 (02:30:55):
You said black towns.

Speaker 2 (02:30:57):
You gotta reconstruct your whole ship to make the oilers
black ty. It's very simple. You have black towns.

Speaker 1 (02:31:03):
That's what I thought. You said, black towels, okayas.

Speaker 3 (02:31:06):
And the reason it is because the normal time. When
you get off the stage, you're always super sweaty. And
I used to have these white towels and I'll be
white white.

Speaker 2 (02:31:13):
I learned that from girls. Girls, the girls when they
go to like my wife and them when they go
to restaurant, that's actually black.

Speaker 1 (02:31:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:31:19):
What else is on your rider? Juicer?

Speaker 1 (02:31:22):
A juicer, A juicer with a little bunch of different fruits,
because I like to make juices and all that.

Speaker 2 (02:31:26):
My wife holds the juice bar I could have. Bring.
I ain't gonna live the next one. I need when
when when you when they said that you wanted a candle,
I said, this nigga different?

Speaker 1 (02:31:35):
Who told you I want to get many? No?

Speaker 2 (02:31:44):
No, that was that was so fly. I said, make
sure you're gonna get that. Get that like I sit
in candle. That's some flysh What else is on yours?

Speaker 3 (02:31:52):
To burn off the spirits? Okay, no for the most part.
So you got you got the juicer, You got the
white towel.

Speaker 2 (02:31:57):
I love candy, all right, so different to a balance,
hold hold on juice.

Speaker 6 (02:32:03):
He just said that je give me the healthy ship
and give.

Speaker 1 (02:32:06):
Me the sugar.

Speaker 2 (02:32:06):
What do the vegetables? That's why I still what are
you putting the juice? What kind of fruit?

Speaker 1 (02:32:11):
Fruits?

Speaker 3 (02:32:12):
It depends on what fruits. I'm like, every territory has
their fruit.

Speaker 6 (02:32:17):
Y.

Speaker 2 (02:32:18):
Yeah, you know, you're traveling the world sometimes exact whatever.
That's kind of smart. That's kind of smart. Whatever the season,
you know, season, sparing season, you know, things like that.

Speaker 3 (02:32:29):
So that's that's like the best way to go. And
then last but not least, if can kind of candy
dog just different sort of candies like Skittles, Gummy.

Speaker 2 (02:32:37):
Bess, Twitter and make him put out just the rad Skittles.

Speaker 1 (02:32:40):
No, I've heard stories like that, they like I want
already Eminem's and ship Yeah, who was that?

Speaker 2 (02:32:48):
I heard that.

Speaker 1 (02:32:49):
I've been heard a lot of those kind of artists
do exist, though.

Speaker 2 (02:32:54):
Listen, that's the part of the show. We're going to
ask people they ride like they ride because.

Speaker 1 (02:32:59):
You actually have listen.

Speaker 2 (02:33:01):
Listen listen by the way for the show. No no, no, no,
no no no, for this your regular Because I always
love like when I we interview. We've been doing it
seven years seven plus. I always love. My favorite part
is me asking them what they're gonna drink, because like
I'm straight up judge you from what you're gonna drink.
If a person order old English, I know what kind

(02:33:23):
of show this is going to be if they.

Speaker 1 (02:33:25):
Order it depends on if they order back bar zonals.
When we ask someone and they give us a.

Speaker 2 (02:33:29):
Whole writer of liquor, oh yeah, yeah, did That's.

Speaker 6 (02:33:32):
Been a couple of people they order like the four
thousand dollars bottle of this, We're like, sorry, really.

Speaker 1 (02:33:38):
Got the rocketing. No.

Speaker 2 (02:33:44):
But even though even though like like if a person
order a tequila or whatever, we don't tell them. We
ain't giving them that. We just gonna get here. We
give them same. But I always always like, uh, and
Riders is the same exact thing, because I remember me
being in I remember me being in Japan and I

(02:34:06):
came after l L so l L must have been
he must have been he the word is he had
them looking for green apples.

Speaker 1 (02:34:17):
I guess in that part of Japan that didn't exist.

Speaker 2 (02:34:21):
But they didn't want to tell No.

Speaker 1 (02:34:24):
I don't know, I don't know, but I remember the promoter.

Speaker 2 (02:34:28):
Like would get created. I was with Edible pain on
my rider was fucking larch. It was wack back then.
I booked you through Violet the first time I violated.
We were putting all that ship on my rider.

Speaker 1 (02:34:52):
You know, some of them. You got to consolidate them.
What is on your right? What's your wildest thing on
your right? Like KFC KFC, but you was gonna have
a leopard or something. I don't have nothing. Person, I
can't see you. Gotta drink some waters.

Speaker 6 (02:35:08):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (02:35:09):
That's it. That's because I'm being along.

Speaker 2 (02:35:11):
I can't see candy. You gotta you all over the place.
I gotta get with your homies. I gotta get with
your homie. Gonna see Fat Joe don't don't drink none
of that, right, So let me tell you something. If
you ever were on a Fat Joe show and you
drink alcohol, just go in his room and take it off.
He ain't gonna drink none of when he drinks, he
orders it all. I'm like, we was in Vegas with

(02:35:32):
the other day. I was like, my brother, I'm gonna
take it off. I'm going to a club. This is
my first time in like fifteen years I went to
a club and I spent a dollar like not even
not even like I had to tip the waitress.

Speaker 1 (02:35:48):
It's all there already.

Speaker 2 (02:35:50):
We just grabbed the sit and was like, is it okay?

Speaker 1 (02:35:52):
We go to our room.

Speaker 2 (02:35:53):
He's like ahead.

Speaker 1 (02:35:54):
We literally took his whole bar his home and guess
what drinking all that is?

Speaker 2 (02:36:06):
Wild on your ride?

Speaker 1 (02:36:08):
No? No, not like okay? Cool?

Speaker 2 (02:36:11):
What's on your rider?

Speaker 1 (02:36:12):
Yeah? Man, rider, you ain't gotta I got anything?

Speaker 2 (02:36:15):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:36:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:36:16):
For our Vegas show, did.

Speaker 2 (02:36:21):
You like large brow Bacardi fireball?

Speaker 1 (02:36:25):
What do we eat that with me? And something that
you gotta have your Yeah, I'm pescatarian yea and him prescotarian.

Speaker 6 (02:36:32):
I can do that.

Speaker 2 (02:36:33):
All pescantarian do that. That's that's Sunday joke. That's Sundays joke, Joe, Yeah,
for both day baby. And you said your favorite part
is Africa to perform. What is your favorite state in
America to perform?

Speaker 1 (02:36:50):
Uh? Probably city? Favorite city probably Jersey.

Speaker 2 (02:36:57):
I was hoping you said Jersey. I was hoping you
said Jersey. Got Now we gotta address this. French Montana
has not let this go. We see you walk in
with the that's the panther cardier them bracelets them trust

(02:37:17):
me guys out of this roof and you can't even
get these you got it on. You have to protect
Are you ever gonna give French a watch so he
could stop telling this story until you eating it out.

Speaker 1 (02:37:29):
Listen, me and French got got that day that lost money.

Speaker 2 (02:37:37):
I walked to the watch for me because he case it.

Speaker 1 (02:37:47):
Man, that's a nice watch, I said, Nigga, I got
on for you too, because at the time.

Speaker 2 (02:37:53):
You had yours.

Speaker 3 (02:37:54):
See, this is the thing. I didn't know what a
huge blow was. I just knew that I liked that.
That was just a nice watch. So the dude was,
you know, selling watches, and I said, how much is
that watch? And he's like, you don't normally like fifteen
twenty thousand, he said, but I got a guy that
can get his Swiss for five. I was like, okay, cool,
give me three of them. So he met me at

(02:38:14):
the W Hotel with.

Speaker 1 (02:38:16):
To of the watches, the exact Time Square hotel, Time
Square w Hotel.

Speaker 3 (02:38:20):
With the same exact type watches. Now mind you, I'm
not knowing the details. I just know that watch looked
like the one that.

Speaker 1 (02:38:25):
I liked in the jewelry store. That's all I know.
I'm not into watches at the time. I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:38:30):
Okay, so you in the jewelry store, you see the watches,
this guy says you a I could give you.

Speaker 1 (02:38:34):
Yeah, don't spend that money. I got you.

Speaker 2 (02:38:36):
This is not Canal Street.

Speaker 1 (02:38:38):
It was Canal Street.

Speaker 2 (02:38:41):
No, but listen, listen, listen, listen. I was on your side.

Speaker 6 (02:38:49):
Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 2 (02:38:53):
No, that's the thing. This is the thing. The watch.

Speaker 1 (02:38:57):
The watch wasn't street.

Speaker 3 (02:39:00):
I spotted the one that I liked on Canal Street
and it was on the Chinese side with the good ship.

Speaker 1 (02:39:05):
No, the good ship, you know, can I got two sids. Ok,
and you're not the one that goes through the back
room and do all that, right.

Speaker 3 (02:39:10):
Okay, this is a good side. So Danny said, no,
I'm gonna meet your the hotel. So he got me
to the hotel and he showed me like, oh he's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (02:39:16):
Now, mind you.

Speaker 1 (02:39:17):
I'm I don't have no knowledge of time pieces at
the time. I'm just African. I just know what I
like and I buy what I like.

Speaker 2 (02:39:23):
I'm I don't know. H blow is very difficult to tell.

Speaker 1 (02:39:27):
Though, But at that time I didn't even know even
know what it was like.

Speaker 2 (02:39:30):
I just know I liked the shame of it looked nice.

Speaker 1 (02:39:34):
And he goes shaving ten thousand dollars off. Why not
think about it?

Speaker 4 (02:39:38):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:39:39):
So Mane, you didn't even say who blow on it?

Speaker 1 (02:39:43):
Now?

Speaker 2 (02:39:43):
I think about it. Ain't going on it.

Speaker 1 (02:39:49):
Before said blowing that mother? Right now I'm thinking I'm
doing a Indeed, it's my nigga. I said, I'll fuck
with you, nigga, don't I'm a nigga. I'm I look
ye get for another nigga, right, I'm just this show you.

Speaker 3 (02:40:09):
I don't really fuck with you, right, So I got one.
I said, I'm get my man one. So he comes
to the hotel.

Speaker 2 (02:40:13):
Man, I watch is dope?

Speaker 1 (02:40:14):
Mank man, Nigga, I got one for you. He's happy.
We both walking out like we nigga.

Speaker 2 (02:40:18):
We chilling the whole day.

Speaker 1 (02:40:20):
Nigga and be like this, we're looking for Rick, We're
looking for Dan. Show the walk.

Speaker 2 (02:40:25):
We're fixing the niggas can see what he got.

Speaker 1 (02:40:33):
So we go off.

Speaker 2 (02:40:34):
Everything is good. Nigga called me a week later, Yo, Bro,
I said, what's up?

Speaker 1 (02:40:40):
Yo?

Speaker 2 (02:40:40):
The watch me? I said what he said?

Speaker 1 (02:40:43):
Man, that shit ain't real? I said, yes it is?
He said, I said, what's wrong? The what does this
stop working?

Speaker 6 (02:40:51):
Like?

Speaker 2 (02:40:53):
Did the hair stopped taking or something? He said, Nah,
the ship.

Speaker 1 (02:40:55):
Taking is working.

Speaker 2 (02:40:56):
I said, nigga, this is it's real. He said no,
he said, Nigga, I thought this was h blow. I said,
what's that? He said, Nigga, you ain't know this is
a fake. He blow.

Speaker 1 (02:41:05):
I said, what is it?

Speaker 2 (02:41:06):
Hue blow?

Speaker 1 (02:41:07):
So then I said, let me start looking around.

Speaker 2 (02:41:09):
Then I saw it.

Speaker 1 (02:41:09):
I was like, oh, ship, this is the watch that
I saw at the store. This ship costs this much.
Then I was like, damn, bro, he said, ship, my
bad man. Look, just just just keep it as a
token of my appreciation.

Speaker 2 (02:41:24):
Bro. It has been. It hasn't been subliminal.

Speaker 1 (02:41:32):
Ship.

Speaker 2 (02:41:32):
I kept wearing mine, nig I can't wear I got something.

Speaker 1 (02:41:39):
Compliments come here.

Speaker 3 (02:41:42):
I got so many compliments on that thing. Oh man,
not but me and you know, me and French laughing
about that ship every day. So now he's like, you
know what I'm saying, when youre gonna go, you're gonna
get me a new watch.

Speaker 1 (02:41:52):
I said, nigga, what I gave you.

Speaker 2 (02:41:53):
You need to be watching. You need to be buying
meal washing ship. So so was he actually signed to you? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:42:04):
So so he was. So French was signed to me.
And my thing was I wanted to go international. With
him right. So at that time, French was just making
afro beats back then, not afrobeats.

Speaker 3 (02:42:15):
But just more commercial acrossover and eventually take him to
Africa because my whole thing.

Speaker 1 (02:42:20):
The French was like, bro, you African, nigga, you're from Morocco,
Like do you know? Yeah, so when you leave America,
everybody without a doubt. I don't know about that part.

Speaker 2 (02:42:31):
I apologize. You know what I'm saying. I said, nigga,
this is.

Speaker 7 (02:42:34):
This is it.

Speaker 3 (02:42:35):
So as we start going on, he's still making records,
but more.

Speaker 1 (02:42:38):
For New York.

Speaker 3 (02:42:39):
So they came to me say, Yo, man, mean I
think I want to just do I want to? I
really want to base and make sure my my my
my ship in New York is really cemented properly. So
I think we should find a party that could work
with us for New York. I said it was ship,
think about somebody, let me know. And he's like, when
you think about Diddy?

Speaker 1 (02:42:57):
I said, ship is that's the king of New York?
Of course, why not? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:43:02):
So he was flying to.

Speaker 3 (02:43:03):
Vegas to go meet with Diddy and then when he
got there, he put Diddy on the phone.

Speaker 1 (02:43:07):
Did He was like, Nigga, brown sugar. Will we be
doing brown sugar?

Speaker 3 (02:43:09):
And he be calling me brown sugar, Niggo we doing, Nigga,
we be doing. I said, man, listen, this kid right
here to me is the biggest thing for me in
New York. And I can't take him where he's trying
to go in New York. The only thing I could
see is a partnership with you to put it off
and pull that off. And he was like, man, listen,
with your blessing, if you let me take this on,
I got it. I said, man, let we go ahead,
take it.

Speaker 7 (02:43:26):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:43:26):
And that's how we ended up moving. So how you
started doing stuff with Diddy? Wow?

Speaker 3 (02:43:31):
Because I was always the kind of artist like, even
though when I sign acts, I'm not the kind of
artist that I want to find.

Speaker 1 (02:43:37):
The best way for you to go. Cause me, my
goal is to make you bigger than me if I
can do that.

Speaker 6 (02:43:43):
Was that something you learned off of Jimmy and Ivan
saying this was before Jimmy, Oh, this before this was
just me seeing how like executives look.

Speaker 1 (02:43:52):
When one of theirs is huge, it makes you look
like a genius.

Speaker 3 (02:43:57):
Sometimes the artist could be humongous but I even all
your involvement, but you're still going to get the credit
because of the fact that you put the person out
into the marketplace.

Speaker 1 (02:44:05):

Speaker 3 (02:44:06):
So I always looked at as I always looked at
it from a leveraging standpoint, because I always saw music
as a stepping stone or a bridge to get to
the real business.

Speaker 1 (02:44:14):
So people that's around me have to be attached.

Speaker 3 (02:44:17):
That they have to be successful for me to have
these pitches taken seriously, you know, because now they're looking
at my track record in the in the in the
sector at which I'm actually active in.

Speaker 1 (02:44:26):
Ok Is he successful there? Okay? Cool? So clearly he
knows what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (02:44:30):
Okay, Now, how can we use that to break this
brand or partner with this brand, or take this piece
of label to the next level?

Speaker 1 (02:44:36):
You know what I'm saying? Right right?

Speaker 2 (02:44:38):
If right now, right? I know you told me the
places to go on Africa, But if I wanted to
invest in the Africa, right, what's what are some of
the things that I should look to.

Speaker 3 (02:44:48):
The first thing you should invest in, and I think
that should be everybody's focus is real estate. Real estate,
How super easy, super super easy but you don't want
to invest from here. You want to go there, so
you physically go there, physically go there like that's like
if you're gonna just do it by sitting here, you
might just go to Vegas and just toss your money

(02:45:08):
in the casino.

Speaker 1 (02:45:08):
Got Because the thing is with investment, you got to
know what you're investing in.

Speaker 3 (02:45:12):
You gotta be able to see the land, see the potential,
see the areas that's growing, that's moving in that direction.
Real estate is very it's mathematical, but you also have
to have information through certain people to know which direction
the development is headed, and that's the.

Speaker 1 (02:45:23):
Area where you want to be. You know, you don't
want to go right where the.

Speaker 3 (02:45:27):
Investment is actually building now, but the development is going
in that direction in the next two three years you
can get that's what you get it at that level.

Speaker 1 (02:45:35):
So by the time it get there, they have to
come see you. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:45:38):
You can either be a part of in the development
or you can sell it out for five six times
multiple on what you purchase it for, you know what
I mean. But land right now is the best place
to start in Africa because everybody in the globe is
investing in Africa and it's all coming into development. So
if you can acquire the land before they get to it, man,
you're golden for the rest of your life.

Speaker 6 (02:45:57):
Does that help Africans for people from outside to.

Speaker 1 (02:45:59):
Invest it and buying land.

Speaker 3 (02:46:01):
Absolutely, because it creates an economy, It creates jobs, It
creates more opportunities for even them to be able to
do things. Because we gotta think Africa in a big
way is lacking resources. So if people don't come creating
or bringing resources there, it's gonna be on standstill. Right,
So it benefits, it's Africa's Yes, it benefits. Then when
people come and invest and create opportunity.

Speaker 2 (02:46:21):
How about it be like I'm a condo guy, I
don't really.

Speaker 1 (02:46:23):
Like how right? Which is even better? Actually condos go
even quicker.

Speaker 3 (02:46:27):
Oh wow, man, listen in Senegal right now, you can't
find just the land to build a condo in the
city for seven.

Speaker 1 (02:46:35):
Hundred and fifty thousand acre. Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:46:38):
That's an acre.

Speaker 3 (02:46:39):
Wow, seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars per acre. And
that's just the land by self before the condo's up.
Once the condo's up, they starting at a million dollars
each wow. And that's the person that was buying land
at the time when we was buying land. Now look
where they're at with it.

Speaker 2 (02:46:55):
Like everyone is moving to Puerto Rico right now because
the tax break. Is there a place in Africa where
there's a tax bak like people have that, do bay?
I believe too as.

Speaker 1 (02:47:05):
We listen, everywhere in Africa is a tax break. Ain't
no tax.

Speaker 2 (02:47:12):
To keep your money there because if you bring it
over here then you're.

Speaker 1 (02:47:14):
Gonna have to pay.

Speaker 3 (02:47:15):
But that's I mean, that's I mean, that's just you know,
whoever is your CFO, they'll tell you exactly how to
move your money around. But I think the continent product
right now, in the near future, it's the most safest
way to park your money. And it's gonna be I mean,
that's where everybody's going. Everywhere else, everybody's afraid trying to
pull their money out so they can be a.

Speaker 1 (02:47:32):
Freely spend it, right you know. Yeah, this is crazy, man. Yeah,
So get to it.

Speaker 2 (02:47:38):
Yeah, I'm getting to it. So this the hottest spots again, Ghana,
Nigeria right now.

Speaker 3 (02:47:44):
Ghana, Nigeria, Senegal, Rwanda, uh Kenya, Kenya is very hot
right now. Cape verd beautiful islands. It's almost like the
like the like the West, you know, Rhode Island, yep.

Speaker 2 (02:48:04):
So the caver is Africa like Tanzania, Tanzania.

Speaker 3 (02:48:11):
Super opportunities over there, without a doubt when it comes
to real estate, housing, affordable living and amazing South Africa. Beautiful,
beautiful bro beautiful houses, beautiful beaches and it's cheap. It's
not even expensive to Cape Town is amazing and it's
I mean the price point, bro man, whatever you spend

(02:48:33):
in the Miami, if you see the house that you
could buy with that sound beautiful bro on the water
with the splashes of that water every morning.

Speaker 6 (02:48:41):
And Johanna's to me, it reminded me of like New
York and the eighties, like the way that the metropolitan
view of it is dope, beautiful, get staffed. No, no, no,
I'm just saying no, you're right, You're right. I'm just saying,
like the way that.

Speaker 3 (02:48:59):
I would give it more of a like Johannesburg is
more like what is describing Cape Town is more like Venice, right,
you know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:49:06):
Saying, It's more of Italy in l a Venison, probably
Venice in La Okay Venice in La Yeah, I mean,
but they got the political needs. They got to deal
with that.

Speaker 3 (02:49:18):
And I think that's everywhere. But I think as once
should become a notable you know, like entrepreneur. Over those
areas you get influenced, so politics don't really affect you,
right because you get in bed with those guys to
get to do business, you know, to help move policy
forward for your agenda, their agendas, like it's all about
you know, it's just business.

Speaker 6 (02:49:37):
Politicals And the people are amazing out there. Yeah, I
mean I only been to South Africa, but the people
were amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:49:42):
Yeah, as you opened a Drake Champs bar after that
would be easy.

Speaker 3 (02:49:45):
That would be crazy only in South Africa though, because
a lot of countries in Africa are Muslim, so those
populations don't drink or smoke, right, they're doing in quiet
or after our spots like that. But like any any
areas like Uganda would be good for that, anywhere in
South as Nigeria they drink out there, right, Nigeria would
be good for that because Nigeria's split half.

Speaker 2 (02:50:06):
What's the place that they say, like they stay open
almost twenty four hours and just keep partying, keeping Nigeria.

Speaker 1 (02:50:11):
Nigerian parties.

Speaker 2 (02:50:12):
That's Nigeria.

Speaker 3 (02:50:13):
Does it when it's time, like during festive festive.

Speaker 1 (02:50:16):
Moments and months. Okay, you know when people come from
all over the world, they just be partying all night.

Speaker 2 (02:50:20):
Right yeah, oh man, I'm convinced.

Speaker 1 (02:50:24):
Hey man, you can watch my documentary Coming Home, so
that I'm just saying, shame. I remember, I gotta watch
that right now, I gotta watch that.

Speaker 2 (02:50:30):
I think I said this to you on the last episode.
But I remember all the time getting shows in Africa
and you.

Speaker 1 (02:50:37):
Turn them down.

Speaker 2 (02:50:38):
I'm saying, you need you need this is way before that.
You don't need it from Yeah, And that's how they
always use to say that.

Speaker 1 (02:50:45):
I think it's a choice.

Speaker 3 (02:50:46):
Now I'm want to say something without signing of racist,
but Blacks and Latinos don't need shots for Africa a right, really, yes,
they already got DNA. White people is a little bit
different because they more the temperature and the kind of
things that their their skin and body can withstand. A
lot of it won't survive in Africa, so they need
shots to, you know, to kind of boost their immunes
and stuff.

Speaker 6 (02:51:04):
But y'all straight, I mean, I definitely didn't take a
shot when I went to South Africa.

Speaker 1 (02:51:07):
Yeah, you won't need it.

Speaker 2 (02:51:09):
It was good, we ate good, we drank good. Yeah,
it's true.

Speaker 1 (02:51:13):
Well, it's like it's like it's like when I go,
like to the North Pole.

Speaker 3 (02:51:18):
Like when I go to the North Pole, I gotta
take shots. I can't be around places too cold, I
get sick.

Speaker 2 (02:51:22):
You've been North Pole once?

Speaker 1 (02:51:25):
I took shots? Take shots?

Speaker 2 (02:51:29):
Huh No, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:51:34):
It was a private it was a private wedding by
a wealthy Russian family. Had to be bro I froze
my balls off. I said, I'm never going back there ever.
But I remember I remember having to take shots before
I went.

Speaker 2 (02:51:48):
And what was your shots?

Speaker 1 (02:51:50):
Like, I don't even know what it was. I don't
even know what it was.

Speaker 2 (02:51:52):
It was like the opposite of all I know that
it was.

Speaker 3 (02:51:54):
They said, you might want to take the shot before
you go. I said, I'm good. He said, no, trust me,
you're black. You gotta take a shot.

Speaker 2 (02:52:01):
Ship.

Speaker 3 (02:52:02):
That's when I realized, oh, Ship, certain people just survived
better than certain parts of the world because of our DNA.

Speaker 2 (02:52:10):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (02:52:10):
That's ill.

Speaker 2 (02:52:11):
That's I got to make some lawyers that I never
knew not it like that. Yeah, besides Africa, where's the
illest part in the world that two like alum are
performed and we were like freaked out.

Speaker 1 (02:52:23):
The illest part, you know what.

Speaker 3 (02:52:26):
I think probably the one place that I did perform
and I didn't expect it to be I didn't expect
it to be as crazy as it was was Lebanon.

Speaker 2 (02:52:35):
Lebanon, Yo, Lebanon.

Speaker 1 (02:52:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:52:38):
They call it the Vegas of the Middle East something
like that, or the parents of the Middle I don't
realize how crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:52:47):
Yo.

Speaker 3 (02:52:47):
Those probably got easiest wireless fans I ever was in
front of Lebanon.

Speaker 1 (02:52:52):
Oh my god. They just had some crazy civil wars.

Speaker 3 (02:52:55):
Lebanon and Pakistan. Pakistan was crazy too, really, Pakistan was crazy.
Audience as religious as they are.

Speaker 2 (02:53:01):
Yeah, it was packed.

Speaker 1 (02:53:05):
And that audience, when I tell you, I can't imagine
if y'all to perform out that with your type of music.
Oh my goodness. What did you see in college? And
Rick Ross and then went to Saudi?

Speaker 2 (02:53:23):
Yeah, where they go? They went to Saudi, They went
to college. Then they they did the thing.

Speaker 1 (02:53:31):
It was the festival. It was a festival.

Speaker 2 (02:53:34):
It was like the second or third year doing it,
like but like the first time like in years they
could actually listen to music. So you actually hear their
response being late, like you know when you go like
this and let the crowd because they're like so not
used to like hearing music. They was a little late.
I was listening, was like, oh they knew the words,
but they were just a little late.

Speaker 1 (02:53:55):
It's like it was against the religion.

Speaker 4 (02:53:57):
It was.

Speaker 2 (02:53:57):
It's still to see like the world get modernized. Yeah
it is again like I said, so many times they
would subscribed Africa and they would described the jungles and
like laying with a spear, you know what I mean,
like like where like a stereotypical ship. And I believe
was the first person that he was like, man, they
got ws in Africa and you know, the most.

Speaker 1 (02:54:19):
Depth still out there. He lives in South Africa, been
there for almost but we've been we saw him. He's
been out here a lot of doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:54:24):
But his name is seen.

Speaker 1 (02:54:26):
Yeah I still call him.

Speaker 2 (02:54:30):
I wants not disrespect. I love but you know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:54:34):
He can call me Ali. I'm cool.

Speaker 2 (02:54:36):
That's that's your Muslim.

Speaker 1 (02:54:37):
That's that's my first name.

Speaker 2 (02:54:38):
It's your first name.

Speaker 1 (02:54:39):
Yeah, Okay, goddamn, that's why your whole name.

Speaker 2 (02:54:42):
Don't you got an ill long name?

Speaker 1 (02:54:43):
Yeah, you gotta look that one up so long.

Speaker 2 (02:54:46):
He don't want to say. I feel like I'm writing
the parad Was that something that kids joked on you
in school?

Speaker 1 (02:54:55):
They never knew?

Speaker 2 (02:54:55):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (02:54:58):
Yeah, the teacher would just be like Ali charm I
like she didn't want to embarrass me.

Speaker 2 (02:55:04):
Because back because back in the days, we used to
have the Haitians, right, and they used to wear the
Jamaican belts like they.

Speaker 1 (02:55:11):
Used to want to be the Jamaican. I didn't want
to be a Jamaican. I see my own eyes. Maybe
this will happen.

Speaker 3 (02:55:21):
The Haitians was just being Haitianus and everybody thought they
was Jamaican because they want the same colors.

Speaker 1 (02:55:27):
Right right?

Speaker 2 (02:55:28):
Did you ever wear the Jamaican belt?

Speaker 1 (02:55:30):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:55:30):
Yeah, absolutely, I wanted Jamaican belt. I wanted the holy
What what the hose?

Speaker 1 (02:55:44):
Those are?

Speaker 2 (02:55:44):
The summertime?

Speaker 4 (02:55:46):
What?

Speaker 1 (02:55:47):
There you go?

Speaker 2 (02:55:48):
What they call holy? You ain't gonta jump out the
the balleys bro to who the ballet? The ballant? You
know about the ballant? The clocks, I don't say the clocks.

Speaker 1 (02:56:04):
Well, my generation, my generation more ballet's. Okay, clock clocks
was a little bit before me. But bb d's used
to bb ds.

Speaker 2 (02:56:11):
You don't know about those.

Speaker 3 (02:56:13):
I couldn't do the silk, okay, Yeah, he was a
silky boy. That the silk was more Latin. That was
more Latin, My bad.

Speaker 2 (02:56:21):
He went up. Yeah, hit the Puerto Rican Quai.

Speaker 1 (02:56:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:56:31):
Cheese, Paco jeans, Yeah, I used to work Theodora y Rock.
You know it was the ship lottos. You could take
the patch off.

Speaker 6 (02:56:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:56:43):
About Paco jeans, he has to be a little hickeys,
a little paco though.

Speaker 1 (02:56:49):
Jeans are here edwins, we don't. So we had we
never walked those. That's what we had.

Speaker 3 (02:56:54):
Really, What about them? Cross colors though, cross colors, yeah, colors.
And that's when Karl Kaik came out. He was your
car was just too high. He was so expensive.

Speaker 2 (02:57:05):
Damage you said, damage used used guests is still lit
out here. Your your bowls over, yo. But you know
who you know who made an amazing comeback though.

Speaker 1 (02:57:17):
M C M YO.

Speaker 2 (02:57:21):
Technically didn't go away. They just just really did really
light in our community. But it didn't go away period.
It stayed in the malls, though it stayed in the
mall like Beniton is over. You don't see Beniton no
more in the malls.

Speaker 1 (02:57:34):
Ye it did.

Speaker 2 (02:57:35):
M CM stayed in the malls. It just didn't Our
coach wasn't sucking with it because you know, our coachre
fucked with it when Dapper Dan took it and made
that chopped that ship up, and then with m CM
didn't accept him. Remember that's what happened. Yeah, Tim said
fuck us at first, and then we said fuck you back,
and Tim said, let's make it right. Tim said let's

(02:57:58):
make it right, and we made it right. Crystal did
not say let's make it right. That's the reason why
Spade is here, you know, one of the sampage in
the world. But I like talking about this. Who else
who else?

Speaker 1 (02:58:11):
Friends back?

Speaker 2 (02:58:12):
But at least yeah, absolutely flaid the man.

Speaker 1 (02:58:18):
I said that, Okay, my bad. You know I ain't drinking. Yeah,
you know, should be should commute wrong. I would have
been a point if I was drinking.

Speaker 2 (02:58:28):
Oh man, damn what other round? But man, yo a
car man. We really appreciate you stopping vibe man as
Oh man, it was funny as hell, beautiful. Man did
everything right, Man, your flowers, man, I love I like it.
Fly ship man, he said, give me a scented candle. Man,
that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna start doing that

(02:58:49):
in my riders, a scented candle. You think sage works? No,
what's the other ship? I think that one works.

Speaker 3 (02:59:00):
I guess it depends on who's like it. Because a
mine is a like a mine is a powerful thing.
If you believe it, it works. Well, that's that's the
thing with all that stuff. If you believe me, why
you don't do sage work. It's just smoke.

Speaker 1 (02:59:10):
It's just smoke.

Speaker 2 (02:59:13):
And then the ship fell, and then see Saves got mad.

Speaker 1 (02:59:18):
Saves got mad. That was confirmation confirmation depending on the
second information. Guys say, you're right.

Speaker 2 (02:59:24):
And what's the other thing?

Speaker 1 (02:59:25):
That's the other name of it.

Speaker 2 (02:59:28):
I like that better because the smoke doesn't come out dark,
it's like it smells so so okay.

Speaker 3 (02:59:34):
So sage is supposed to delete all the evil spirits
from the room, drive them away, drive away. At least,
which one you think is more powerful, the sage or
the prayer?

Speaker 1 (02:59:45):
Prayer? So I waste your money.

Speaker 2 (02:59:51):
I do sage and prayer, yes, because you know you
must them right. Every year during Ramadan, it felt it
feels pure. This is the only year during Ramadan. I
just felt nothing but evil, really like I mean. And

(03:00:13):
then I asked one I'm out high. I asked one
of my Muslim friends, I'm sick, and I said, yo,
this is the first Ramadan like every every every time
Ramadan comes around, like me, as a non Muslim, I participate,
but I feel just pure positive energies the first time
in the years I've been practicing. And then my friend

(03:00:34):
Sick says to me, he said, because they're the of Ramadan.

Speaker 1 (03:00:38):
Is when people reveal themselves. And I was just like,
oh it was He wasn't saying it wasn't like the people.

Speaker 2 (03:00:45):
Were being evil. They was just kind of just revealing myself.
Did you feel that this is?

Speaker 3 (03:00:50):
But I spent this whole Ramadan in Africa. I was
in Africa the whole month of Ramadan. We're in segg
in Segogue, that.

Speaker 1 (03:00:56):
Was there the whole month. So I didn't feel anything
you feel.

Speaker 3 (03:00:59):
But boy, I could tell you the cause I would
get after I broke fast number drama on this side.

Speaker 2 (03:01:04):
What you mean on broke fast at night period.

Speaker 3 (03:01:07):
Fast in the evening because you know when after breakfast
you go back to your normal activities because I know,
we don't use a phone when I'm faster because it
distracts me. Right, But for the most part, you know,
when you call back home or you call back to
some of your homies or people that you mess with
on this side. Yeah, it was like and you you
actually more woke during the during during the month, you know,
the month with the mind, because you actually notice things

(03:01:28):
that you're not really noticing because you're more spiritually awoke, you.

Speaker 2 (03:01:31):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (03:01:32):
So you clearly can see the difference in people's attitudes,
people's actions, emotions, and then it kind of makes you
ask yourself wat to a lot of things, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (03:01:41):
So then after that month is about figuring it out
at that point, yes, you.

Speaker 2 (03:01:45):
Know, if it was finished.

Speaker 1 (03:01:47):
Yeah, okay, so.

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Speaker 7 (03:02:16):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:02:19):
I love the baby righting.

Speaker 1 (03:02:20):
Man, I appreciate it. You know, this mean more than
any award that you can get on some real ship,
because it means that you appreciated by your peers. You
appreciated by the people.

Speaker 4 (03:02:28):
That you do it for.

Speaker 2 (03:02:29):
And not accept my flowers because you homeboy who made
it the record, Joanna? That was AfroB AfroB AfroB you
jack this whole ship with Wakanda.

Speaker 1 (03:02:47):
Actually it was a rendition. I was like this, it
was a rendition. Yeah, I love the song so much
I had to redo it. So I made a response
to it.

Speaker 2 (03:02:58):
Okay, So because you know, sometimes when because you're a bigger,
bigger artist does does that that that newer artist get
mad at No?

Speaker 1 (03:03:07):
No, no, because I actually called it.

Speaker 3 (03:03:11):
I say, your afro beat this record, this is my
favorite record. Man, I said, do you mind if I
do a re edition? He said, hell no, I man,
I be my blood. You know this much like that's
my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (03:03:20):
So I did it. Sent it to him.

Speaker 3 (03:03:22):
He flipped he actually was gonna get on it with me.
But then I said, man, if you do that, it
won't be like the re edition that I want.

Speaker 2 (03:03:29):

Speaker 3 (03:03:30):
I said, let's me and you do a fresh record together,
so it's just like fresh. And then ever since then,
I've been just advised to see him on this international stuff.
So it went from me loving the record getting the
permission to me working with him as an advisor to
do is international stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:03:42):
And what's that?

Speaker 2 (03:03:43):
Did you do as a freestyle at first? Or you
did it like to remake the record?

Speaker 3 (03:03:46):
No, I did it just for fun. It was it
was a parody for me. Have you seen the video
with me and Michael Blaxton. Oh, you gotta see the video. Man,
that ship is hilarious. It's almost like I just had
sex type of It's a monster. Yeah, so you gotta
see it.

Speaker 1 (03:04:00):
It's up there.

Speaker 2 (03:04:01):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (03:04:01):
So for the record, he did not get mad. He
supported artist artist and I hope you heard what he
just said.

Speaker 2 (03:04:07):
If you want to remake someone's record, call him up.

Speaker 3 (03:04:09):
I mean he might have been flattered by it. At me,
it was like prime is Apple, Like there was times
we were in the same city. I would perform my version.
Then asked mine's about then he come out with the
actual version of crazy. You know what I'm saying, So
like we actually did we teamed up on that like
that or the other way around. I pop up from
the back, you know what I'm saying. You go from
Joanna to what KM done?

Speaker 2 (03:04:29):

Speaker 1 (03:04:31):
Because Noori's worried about people doing his records over No,
let them do it.

Speaker 2 (03:04:35):
Let them do it.

Speaker 1 (03:04:36):
I like, let them do it. He's weird about it.

Speaker 7 (03:04:40):
Man.

Speaker 2 (03:04:41):
That preserves you, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (03:04:43):
You know how many times my record's been re sampled, redone.
I haven't dropped the records since two thousand and eight, nigga,
that's fifteen years. Yeah, you would have thought it was
just yesterday because these little niggas keeping me preserved until
I'm ready to drop another record, which will be dropping
by the end of the year.

Speaker 1 (03:04:58):
All right, But then you drop like that plug d
then you dropped like an Afro beat type of Yeah.
But that was just for African territory. That was just
for that was just for Africa.

Speaker 2 (03:05:09):
And what's the name of that that was?

Speaker 1 (03:05:11):
Uh, what was the time named that one? That was
that was Akandada?

Speaker 2 (03:05:18):
So so so you're saying you're making.

Speaker 3 (03:05:21):
A global Oh no, like the basic, the original traditional
a cop records. Yeah, that was a lot of experiments,
just having fun with it. I did an afrobeat album.
I did a Latin album like I did. I did
an Indian like Hindi album. You did Bollywood music, Yeah, bro,
I got Bollywood songs all through. These movies are killing

(03:05:44):
having fun. I did some K pop records like I
was everywhere. Absolutely, if you even if you go to
do Bay, you hear me speaking, I mean records doing
Arabic music like I'm doing it.

Speaker 2 (03:05:57):
It's me.

Speaker 1 (03:06:01):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (03:06:03):
I'm going to speak for me.

Speaker 1 (03:06:06):
No comment.

Speaker 2 (03:06:08):
That's sangerous man, right there.

Speaker 1 (03:06:10):
No, only because I be in rooms where I need
to know what they're They don't even know what. I
promise you, I hear it all.

Speaker 2 (03:06:16):
It'd be hilarious though, it'd be so funny.

Speaker 1 (03:06:21):
That's the right, No coming, that's right.

Speaker 2 (03:06:25):
You gotta do anything else you want to talk about.

Speaker 3 (03:06:29):
Yeah, but so I am excited about this new record
I'm about to drop.

Speaker 2 (03:06:32):
It's done already.

Speaker 1 (03:06:34):
Yeah, Alum's finished.

Speaker 2 (03:06:35):
Oh wow, we're.

Speaker 3 (03:06:36):
Dropping at the top of the year Traditional Acon So
Universe is dropping the best of Acon around. We're thinking
of like around November, October November time, and then shortly
after that I'll be introducing the brand new album.

Speaker 1 (03:06:50):
So the simple January. Yeah, it's the timeline is October November. Okay,
if everything works as planned, you said the best of
us too, Yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (03:07:01):
Best of and then the albums dropping right after yeah okay,
so yeah, so be be prepared for the new holidays
to be hearing some new music.

Speaker 2 (03:07:09):
Now now, alight. You know, back then we should drop singles,
right like nowadays they're like there's no singles, it's just
dropped the album.

Speaker 1 (03:07:18):
Everyone that's biting off invented that, like just drop the album.
You're gonna just drop the album or you know, it's
gonna be a lead up. It's gonna be a lead up.

Speaker 3 (03:07:27):
And that's that's why we're doing the Best of Acon
releases first, you know, team up universe to activate my
old fans and people. It just kind of remind them,
remind them, you know, remind them, get them back into
the Acons you know energy, and then just come with
a new album.

Speaker 1 (03:07:40):
Right, so we're gonna lead it up.

Speaker 2 (03:07:43):
You're gonna ad it up. Yeah, two singles probably.

Speaker 3 (03:07:47):
Oh no, we everything is a single. Ain't no such
thing as a no albums man. Listen the whole album
dropping the same day video for everything, man, video for
every single song. That's right, We're going to.

Speaker 2 (03:07:59):
Be speak absolutely and again. The dream artist to work with.

Speaker 3 (03:08:07):
The dream artist to work with is Shady. That's It's
a great It's left in my list.

Speaker 2 (03:08:16):
Of artists that I wanted to work with that I
haven't worked with yet. She seems untouchable, like you can't
get to her.

Speaker 1 (03:08:22):
I don't have a connection to her. She's like invisible.

Speaker 2 (03:08:27):
What you said, invisible man, like a wizard.

Speaker 3 (03:08:30):
As many people as I know, I still haven't found
one person that can get me to her.

Speaker 2 (03:08:36):
How about Drake?

Speaker 1 (03:08:38):
I love Drake. He's my favorite artist today. You guys
are making incredible music. I think we definitely would. Yeah,
I think we definitely would. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:08:46):
The only thing I think that stocked was I just
wasn't in the music space at the time. But I
think when I get back in, I think there's some
great opportunities for me and Drake to do something crazy together.

Speaker 2 (03:08:55):
Drake, who else before we get up out of here
and you work with everybody?

Speaker 3 (03:09:01):
Bro I have It's only one rapper that I haven't
worked with yet, and I still to this day can't
figure out why.

Speaker 1 (03:09:06):
It's jay Z.

Speaker 3 (03:09:08):
He's the only one I haven't worked with at and
I always thought that maybe it's because.

Speaker 1 (03:09:12):
Of the timing of our career is going. There probably
was the time all I.

Speaker 3 (03:09:16):
Mean, because Bro, I'm I'm I'm a huge fan. I
don't know how you feel about me, but I always
felt like that could be something that would be crazy.
I think that would complete complete me from an urban
music standpoint, making that making.

Speaker 2 (03:09:26):
That happen, Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 1 (03:09:27):
I think that would just be sound. I think that
that would be crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:09:32):
Well, who would you prefer you on his album or
him on yours?

Speaker 1 (03:09:37):
I think it wouldn't make it.

Speaker 2 (03:09:38):
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (03:09:39):
I don't think it'll make a difference.

Speaker 3 (03:09:41):
Yeah, honestly, I prefer it on his album because I
know it guaranteed to be pushed.

Speaker 2 (03:09:48):
You know what I'm saying. How about it's guaranteed to.

Speaker 1 (03:09:50):
Go number one?

Speaker 2 (03:09:52):
How about nas.

Speaker 1 (03:09:55):
Yo?

Speaker 3 (03:09:55):
You know how long me and Na's been trying to connect. Jesus,
It's it's just been fake. I promise you believe me.
That was supposed to have been happen. Me and I
is always trying to get together, but it's just he's
so international, I'm so international.

Speaker 1 (03:10:09):
It's just like it's just being in the.

Speaker 3 (03:10:11):
Same place at the same time, and artists like me
and him, we just don't see us working over the internet.

Speaker 1 (03:10:17):
We just got to be in a room together.

Speaker 3 (03:10:18):
And I think that's why that's the only reason why
it didn't happen earlier, because I think it'd just be
bigger if me and him was in the same room.

Speaker 2 (03:10:26):
That's what me and Fenn say all the time. Like
sometimes we do the say say analog are digital, right,
and we always kind of like pick analogue. And the
reason why is because I feel like the music that
was made in the nineties early two thousands, you can
it's better because we can't real you had to actually
come to my.

Speaker 1 (03:10:42):
Studio culture record for the energy you can't even came
at to.

Speaker 2 (03:10:46):
Get on had to be in the same room, right,
So you do you think that's that's true?

Speaker 3 (03:10:51):
Like, I think it depends on the artists, right. I
think some chemistries are better when they separated. Yes, some
people that just make great music, but then when they
get in the same room, the energy may.

Speaker 1 (03:11:02):
Be different because one may be shy, you just never
really know.

Speaker 3 (03:11:06):
So in this generation that works out better because a
lot of these artists are very like anti social.

Speaker 1 (03:11:13):
They low key super weird.

Speaker 3 (03:11:14):
Like you get close to them, they just start you
know what I'm talking about, Like, don't they quiet?

Speaker 1 (03:11:19):
They just mute, they don't say nothing. Damn, I've been
here thirty minutes. You want to ask me nothing? You know,
but come on, this was weird back then too, but
not like this though. Yeah, damn, you're kind of right down. Yeah,
but back then they were forced to be together. So yeah,
but you can only be here so long. Yeah, for
you're like damn. But the crazy part about it is

(03:11:39):
when you DM them, they can't shut up. They hit
you with eighteen paragraphs like, bro, I just answered simple
yes and no question.

Speaker 2 (03:11:47):

Speaker 1 (03:11:49):
But that's that's all in you know, that's a generational
for sure. Generational for sure.

Speaker 2 (03:11:54):
The other day, right, I see, I seen the a
kid I don't want to say his name, but we
were sitting there and he knew Dominique Wilkins was, he
knew Chris Webber was. He knew all these people who
don't play for him, as a as a kid. But
then someone asked him and he's he's a rapper. Someone

(03:12:16):
asked him who cares one was? He had no clue?
Someone asked him who rock him was? He had no clue.
Someone asked him who Biggie Smalls was. He had a clue,
but he wasn't. Do you think that's something that in
the hip hop and our genre that we it's something
that we should actually learn, like learn about our culture

(03:12:37):
like he was learned about the same way you learn
about basketball and you learn about He's a pattrick of
you and sneakers. Shouldn't you learn about Big Pun and
shouldn't you learn about Belly mal.

Speaker 1 (03:12:47):
I agree we should learn, but we just we don't
learn because like learning has to be motivated. The reason
why you know about a lot of these you know,
basketball players and football players for that matter, they have
these hall of fames that recognize them and their abilities
and also you know, give them the just of their

(03:13:10):
creation and present it to the people that might have
not known what they're responsible for. Hip Hop is the
only music that we don't celebrate the founding fathers. We
don't have a foundation to help them because most of
them in bad situations.

Speaker 3 (03:13:26):
They paved the way for us. Like this is stuff
that we as a culture just naturally, just do they
do it as a natural culture. They hold museums, teach
each other's history to the point where their history is
being taught to us because we don't even have or
preserve our own history.

Speaker 2 (03:13:40):
You can't blame them. That's the only history that exists
because they preserved it.

Speaker 3 (03:13:44):
When did we have a preserve African history or Black
history outside of the parts that just hurt us so
bad that every time we do something and we fail,
we use it as an excuse.

Speaker 1 (03:13:55):
You feel what I'm saying. So as a culture, we
got to be better.

Speaker 3 (03:13:58):
We have to and to be with people that understand
that that you know, actually exists and the people that
actually has the power and the resources to actually make
it happen. Like that's something that would help us, believe
it or not, because it keeps us in powered longer.

Speaker 1 (03:14:12):
Because this culture is not something it's really up for grabs.
I don't care where you go in the world, Like
everywhere you go in the world, hip hop exists, but
it exists in their language and they're talking about their
culture to the point where new York can't even claim
it no more. That's right. I've been saying that.

Speaker 2 (03:14:28):
You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (03:14:29):
But had New York created the museum which right now
the Universal Hip Hop Museum, use all the.

Speaker 3 (03:14:37):
Hip hop artists as a way of pushing people to
it though it's okay to have it, but who's there?

Speaker 1 (03:14:42):
No, they just they just they're creating it now.

Speaker 6 (03:14:46):
Like we need to support it though they got a
lot of support, though they're not behind it, you know
what I'm saying. And Curtis Blow and Carris One that history, man,
we cannot all late.

Speaker 2 (03:15:00):
That's the thing. We're all laid to it. It's all late.
Like it's even why we created the show.

Speaker 6 (03:15:04):
Because there wasn't there wasn't a platform that was given
a voice to artists that necessarily weren't on a pressure
run anymore, right, right, right, And that's why we did
it because nobody was giving us a voice DJ and
MC that they felt was washed up and old, like now, okay,
we don't create our own platform.

Speaker 2 (03:15:19):
There you go, and we did, motherfucker. I want to
I want to big you up your staff man, you
know for coming through man, thank you exactly who you
are man, continue your success. We want to support you.
If I don't know, we don't care. If you want
to promote pink toenails, we don't. We can come on

(03:15:40):
here anytime.

Speaker 1 (03:15:41):
You appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (03:15:43):
So last time I got drunk and but this time
I stayed sober because I wanted you respect. That's I
wanted to get you respects don't want to do. I
thank you. Let me, let me, let me stay shocked.

Speaker 1 (03:15:56):
You know what I'm saying. He just me last to myself.
I wanted to be sober.

Speaker 2 (03:15:59):
No, no, no, that's because the person that's never been
on the show before, he's been on the show. Come on.
You can't let a person who's never been on the show.
We need the real e f A. We need you
to DJ, need you to DJ. Come out of DJ man.

Speaker 1 (03:16:21):
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