Episode 417 w/ Spice 1

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
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Speaker 3 (00:43):
Would it gonna be holding you to sup? Some boy
an r E what up? It's dj E f N
and it's.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Gonna tall me, motherfucker crazy house makes some.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
The when you google the West Coast, when you google,
they area gotta mean Yeah, I got a Papa collar.
Every time I say that, this man picture has to
come up. This man is a legend of a legend.

(01:12):
He's been controlling this game, in this game, staying true
to this game for years. When we use the word legend,
we don't lose it. We don't use this word loosely.
When we use the word I car, we don't use
it loosely. This man has been doing it. He has
so many stories. He's probably the only person that knows
every version of Tupac, the Death Row Tupac, the Oakland Tupac,

(01:38):
the did you know underground Tupac. I've been waiting, We've
been waiting to give this man his flowers, because when
we started this show, we said we wanted to give
to ours, to the people who has been down before
us while we was there, and people that's after us.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
And like I said, this.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Man is the legend of a legend, and we are
so happy to give my mother fucking friend spikee one
motherfu Now off top. Do you think ice Spice but
your name?

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, I don't like to say it, but she kind
of weird a.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Little bit better than that.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
To track Spice, No one, that's the Ice spe I
didn't get you. So let's let's uh, you know, uh,
let's talk about it, because in the beginning, there were
so many people like the West Coast stayed with the
West Coast, East Coast stayed with the East Coast. But
she was one of those guys that was working with

(02:45):
the East Coast. Yeah, how did that develop? I know
you got records for method man.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, well, I mean I always had a deep respect
for the East Coast, you know what I'm saying, Like
it was always you know, because when the first time
I landed on a plane and and I got out
of the cab in Manhattan, the first dudes was walking
down the street, man, And it was crazy because I
just heard somebody say yo yo spike. As soon as
I stepped out the cab, like two steps, bro, and

(03:12):
I heard somebody yo yo spikes And I'm like, who
the fuck is that? Like, how the fuck they't no
meaning here like that, you know. And I looked down
on this two dudes walking down the street and they
get closer and closer, and it's fucking run DMC.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Wow. Yeah, first time in the first time I stepped
in New York City death fucking run run And DMC
was waiting and I'm like, you know, hey, you know
what I asked him, like what y'all doing here? They're like,
we came to see.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
You, Like, oh ship, I got y'all still on my
wall and my mom was still here with my mom
and show what's coming out here to do some uh
negotiating with good job and stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Okay okay, And they were there a job.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Holy crazy man, crazy much respect for run dmc dude.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
So so so let's let's let's bounce around a little bit, right, Jammy,
I'm ready, I'm ready for my drink.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
You drinking already all day. I ain't gonna lie to you, right,
let me let me just take take a few times.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
The best thing about us doing this show is this
is my favorite part. I don't know what your favorite
part is, but my favorite part is always asking what
is the guest drinking? So I said, I said, what's
one thing drinking? They said, after this, So okay, let's

(04:31):
pass around, like I said, like a little bit right.
There's so many, There's so many Bay Area Oakan legends.
Who was the person who inspired you to get on
the mic?

Speaker 4 (04:44):
I would say, uh, inspiring, inspiring. I would go all
the way back to like rock him, definitely rock him
and uh man.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Like all the old school cats. Man, you know.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Danny Dane, you know all of all of the other
school cats. When I listened to him, I was always
you know, writing stuff when I was a kid. So
I mean, I decided to put wrote poetry when I
was a kid. So I decided to put it just
some music. When I heard them.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Dudes, right, so I can't lie to you.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Recently, it's been a very big battle going on in
hip hop, and we've been fortunate enough to have people
sit in the sea. And the one thing that I know,
the one thing that I could say that that that
has it all together, it is the West Coast does
stick with the West Coast. Yeah, we got might be

(05:45):
with each other, but yeah, we got to rock together.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
You know, even even when we even we beef with.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Each other, it's you know, it's we keep that up
in there. But you know, it's always a support because
you got so many styles coming from that area. And
but but we still all come together when somebody have
a show like you know, uh the Bay Area that
doesn't sound like uh La and Sacramento even got their
own sound, and you know, certain places in LA sound

(06:15):
different from you know what I'm saying. So but when
it all comes down to it, we all speak in
the same language.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Because I thought it was genius how Kendrick.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
He involved like forty was was the voice of the beginning.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, No, I'm talking about the Kendrick Battle.
Were you talking.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I'm talking about the show that he involved the show
right now. The pop out there he forty narrated the
intro and the outre today is let's holy shit. Yeah,
and that put that area on the map. It was
like not La and started out with forty.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah when you know the bank of the Bay like
the play man. You know what I'm saying. So, I
mean you had catch us anywhere. You know, we all
all over the place. I mean from from China to
Japan to Europe back to America. Man, you know we
were out here doing this everywhere we go. You know
what I'm saying, Like, you got it?

Speaker 3 (07:12):
So what what's that line that Kndrick said? He said,
you think the baby's gonna you disrespect Park Nigga, then
the Oakland stop would be a last stop nigga. Right yeah,
listen to me. If I'm on the other side, I'm
not going It's just done like I'm done, like like
because he think how genius that was he put in

(07:33):
your mind that he disrespected Pak. Yeah, most people don't
know what is he talking about. Most people gonna ride off.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
For that, Yeah, yeah for real, spits like but you know, man, Pak,
you me, all a lot of artists out here, we
all got the same you know, following.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
You know what I'm saying, it ain't no telling what's
gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Uh, your fans might whoop somebody asse just just on
the strength, you know what I'm saying. You know, you
know you don't know what I'm I'm in La County
and the and the and uh some essays they was
about to jump me, you know what I'm saying, until
they figured out it was me. They thought they thought
I was playing to be me. They thought I was
faking to be me. And I told him, I said, yeah,

(08:16):
whoop some whoop whoop.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
That nigga ass.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
If he's faking the bee spice one whoop whoop his ass.
You know what I'm saying. So your fans gonna do
whatever they do everywhere. You know, you have no control
over that ship.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
You the thirty days in La County. Yeah, yeah, okay,
that's why you wasn't on Malcolm Belly album.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Fuck.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, you know, I don't know if you know you.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Hear that story.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So I'm sorry we bouncing around, but
you you brother, so because it's also alleged that and
that's not alleged. I believe you confirmed it that you
actually drove park to the to the to the airport
when he was going to Vegas, or he drove with
him something like that.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Well we had we man, I want, I definitely want
to talk about this to set it straight. The day
Pak died, me and Pat was that at the other
mansion and he had that big ass picture of of
of Biggie uh and Puffy in there and and we
we shooting. But but you know we we we recorded,

(09:23):
we recorded, Uh we recorded the song.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Uh what was it? A fame? Yeah? And that was
the last song I recorded with him, And then you know.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
He that is officially his last song he ever recorded.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
I think so because he was like, you know, I
thought he was gonna dry to Vegas because I was
gonna hop in with him to roll out. But I
was like, man, i've been hustling. I've been in the
club in my same clothes for two days. I'm gonna
go take the change and clothes and I'll meet you
out there. And so I got memories of Pot standing
by the car like come.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
On, let's go. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
I heard he even told you that he'll get you
closed in Vegas.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
He was like, man, we can go, we can get
some clothes out there, and I'm like, man, I'm finna
go chang. I have to take a shower, and no,
I don't want to have in the car with you know.
But uh uh. He was like, Tyson, gonna knock that
nigga out and we're gonna party. You know what I'm
saying that that's what it was. He was like, Tyson
gonna knock his ass out, and that was what the fastest,
uh fastest knockout in history, one of the fastest knockouts
in history. That that was the plan. Tyson was like,

(10:21):
we're gonna I'm a Knack you pie, I'm a Nike man.
We're gonna have a potty.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
That was. That was a player. Tyson's like, we got
knack you back. I'm like, shit, we're gonna go part
it in.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
But then I got By the time I got to
the house and got changed and was ready to bounce
out and ready to drive out to Vegas, I got
the call.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
I was like, damn, what the fuck just happened? You
know what I'm saying, Like, hold on, we just he
was just standing in at the car talking about come
with me and ship and what the fuck just happened,
you know. So, yeah, it was crazy, you know what
I'm saying. But that was the last song were recorded.
I know he don't. I don't thinking he recorded with
nobody that damn fast. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
He could of got shot and we caught he got landed,
yeah recorded, you know, Hell no, you know, but if
he did that, But as far as I know, that
was the last song recorded. Is it true that if
you would have went to Vegas? It's quite possible you
would have been in a car with him.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Oh hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
They were gonna go, he said, it does go shopping.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
I was definitely gonna be in the car because I
was gonna ride up there with him. And uh, it's
crazy because you know, maybe I could have. I been thinking,
maybe I would have been like, man, left the Outlaws
handle that ship. You know what I'm saying. As far
as going jumping dude or whatever. Man, you know that nigga,
we catching money. We're out here doing this right now.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Man.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
But but it was real a lot of tension because
of what happened, you know what I'm saying, Because of
what happened with the homie Eastwood and all of that ship,
you know, when they jumped and took his chain.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
And all that. It's all right.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, there was a lot of tension, so everybody was
kind of like, you know, you know, it's a hoy
song on its own, you know what I'm saying. And
I'm you know, I'm a big nigga, So I'm like, Okay,
y'all niggas crazy, Okay, this is what it is. But
I'm I'm gonna sit back and enjoy the festivities. When
y'all get the act in the food, I'm just gonna
pull out the popcorn, you know what I'm saying. But

(12:12):
I'm not gonna in dulgs because that ain't my beef.
You know what I'm saying, It ain't my ship.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Mm hm cool? Say, were gonna be botball a little bit.
The Trigger Got No Harm, I.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Ain't no love bit.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
What's happening? You won't be on jove?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:34):
They asking for a single? Is this a single or
this official singles?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:37):
The Trigger Got No Heart was was the originally official
single for Minister Society, and they played it with the
commercial when the commercial came out, and you know, they
played the movie Hearts of the Movie and the commercial
part of the song and the commercial and stuff. But
when I got to, uh, after the movie came out
and I got to I was, I was out in

(12:58):
New York and you know, seeing people coming out of
the theater, girls coming out of the theater crying, and
Ship like there.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Was there anything ship that shot him like that.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
You know what I'm yeah, after the movie, you know what,
I'm like, I'm like, damn, you know, they don't even
know who I am. And I'm walking through hard and
Ship and I'm like, they don't know who the hell
I I don't even know who I am out here.
This is crazy, this is crazy. And then my manager
he like, man, you know my nickname Chico like Cheeko
turned around?

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yes, And so I turned around and I see.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Like half a Harlem follow me like Sponge, you know,
like ship. So shout out to Harlem that in my notes,
why did Pot call you che.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I've been you know, I'm.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Curious why Miami and.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
I've been in that after Womb, like you know, when
I came out to woom My, my pops was like,
you know, uh, you look like he looked He said,
I looked like a Mexican ship.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
And I was going, you know, that's on target.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I got that good here was like it was like magic.
So Chico be in my name from what your mother
shut out the pous man, Yeah, all day.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
That's definitely my note. That's that's funny as hell. So
the whole bay caught you Chico.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Man, I didn't even know my real name. Bro I
had on my on my papers at school. The teachers
with Chico. You know, I was wondering. I had to
ask my mom.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, that's how you know you got a real motherfucker,
a nickname and ship.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
That's that's when we're from the womb. You know.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
I heard you say niggas a flash three hundred thousand
and wonder why motherfuckers are running their housing or running
their house.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I believe you said, Yeah, that's ain't that's some ship.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, like a motherfucker sit up there and flash all
that money and then wonder why. I mean, back in
the day, you could, man, if we sitting on the
black we knew a nigga had three hundred thousand. We
was up in this ship, Broh, straight up, like you
you don't just flash no three hundred thousands. You know,
we out in Miami under you want to play scarface? Okay,
play scarface, because that's how we're gonna come at you

(15:13):
with that three hundred thousand.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
We coming at you like that, coming at you with
about ten. It's gonna be ten twelve of us. That's
three hundred thousand. Maybe we can split that, split that up,
you know what I'm saying. So, I mean, you know,
when when you come from that life, you think like that.
So you know, I'm able to sit there and look
at it from both sides because I've been on both sides.
I've been the jacker and I've been the motherfucker they
trying to jack, or the motherfucker they jack a shot
at and all of that. I've been on both sides

(15:35):
of the game. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
It's good to be able to to to notice that
and tell this little motherfucker something.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
You hope they listen to. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
You see the the guy that murder and pop smoked home, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
He's home, but they posted it.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
They posted this picture that was like a go get them.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Uh, that was like a get a kid.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
They posted this picture up there like that and let
him know he was out. That was like that was
like a death warrant. Basically, you know what I'm saying, Like,
now everybody know you out. Yep, everybody knows he's out.
You know, you know he's he's a youngster, you know
what I'm saying. That means, you know, they put him
up to that ship or whatever. You know, at this
age we always say, you know, we made mistakes in

(16:23):
the past and ship, you know what I'm saying. So
I'm pretty sure ten twenty years from now, he's gonna
be saying, motherfucker. You know, I went to the penitentiary
for killing a ma. If he's live ten twenty years,
he can be able to say, you know, I made
mistakes when I was young and shit or whatever.

Speaker 2 (16:36):

Speaker 4 (16:36):
But I mean, you know it's not you know, motherfucker's
now everybody know he out. You know what I'm saying,
and it is what it is, you know.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
But let's get back to the West Coast for a second,
right that moment that Kendrick just had. Have you ever
seen that type of thing since all in the same game,
what the like showing that comarader to that unity with
the West Coast California artists.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
No, I ain't seen that sense since that. You know this,
that was something that very was really needed the West Coast.
You needed to be able to come together like that
from the Bay Bey to La it's always been, you know,
a connection, but you know, we needed to come together
like that, and you know, and represent the West because
you know a lot of uh, you know, we stick together,

(17:25):
but we see a lot of other uh you know,
the South, they stick together. You know, the East, everybody
rock you know what I'm saying, But the West we
beef within each other a lot, you know what I'm saying.
But now you know that right there, let it know,
let everybody know we can't come together.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Pos. Yeah, that's something you should make the noise. Sure,
I ain't gonna lie to you.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Watching that concert, it was like the first time like
I seen it's wrapped like transition, like like like it
kind of like like this he's the new king. Like
they didn't say that. They didn't say man like like
like having Drake come out and say I see that
people like you have the biggest of the biggest West
Coast guy come out and he's not this is you

(18:09):
know Drake. But but you know him just co signing
that and then that's that record. Just you just want
to you just want to do a fucking gang dance.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
And that ships been stuck in my said, you woke up.
They're not like us. I woke up with that stuck
in my They not like us, They not like us.
I woke up.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
You can use that for anything. It's anthem for everything. Yeah,
listen to the lyrics and you're like, wait a minute,
maybe this is not that really.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
You asking how the body is got, you know, So let's.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Move around, Okay. One eighty seven poof classic classic fun song.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Man. Look, the crazy part about that song is that
it came in a.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Dream, like before I was famous for any of that ship.
You know what I'm saying, before y'all even heard of
Spice one, any of that ship.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
I was.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
I was dreaming, and uh, you know, I literally, man,
I'm gonna say it. I literally sat there and I prayed.
I said, you know, God, I want to be a
rap star.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I want to.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
I want to I want to be a dope or
whatever whatever. And I had had a little drink or
whatever before and then I laid down or whatever and I.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Went to sleep. This is some real ship.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
And I started dreaming that I was famous, but uh uh.
It was this dude standing on the street on the
corner and he was playing some music and I walked
up to him and say, man, you know what's that
you playing? And he was like, spice one, it's the
new ship. So I'm dreaming this ship. Just before I'm
famous anything, I'm dreaming this. And he was like, spice one,

(19:47):
it's the new ship. And and something, something in the
back of my head said, stick your head in the
car and see what song made you famous. So I
stuck my head in the car and I heard myself
say he had the Nini the a K right, And
I'm like, you know, then I woke up.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I'm like, who the fuck is E? Who the fuck
is J? Who the fuck is E? Oh? Ship? What
if they so dope on Hennessy Street. I said that
to myself too.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
I was like pen and pad nigga, Penny pad, And
so I got there, I got the right and it
you know what I'm saying. Clock in the street called
Hennessy Robbers with the mother fucking name Oe E had
a Bitch and the name was Gen had a Nigga
name Juice doing Time of the Pen. You know, half
the ship that we got sitting up here. So I'm like,
you know, I'm gonna keep going and going and going.
And by the time I finished, I'm like, okay, I
got a whole verse and ship. At the end, I'm like,
fucking indoor, smoke them all.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Ship.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
And so I tried to say to a few of
my friends, and they thought I was crazy until I
got it down. Then once I got it down, they
told me, don't say that wrapped to nobody else because
somebody you know.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
What I'm saying. So once I got it on the.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Solo, mom deep down Q Tip produced did you get
rid of?

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Man, you to produced that?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Do that?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
But yeah, man, I always knew that. Like when I
heard that, I was like, oh, they got that from.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Me, you know.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
And I see a lot of artists doing that, but
I kind of try to stay in there, in that,
in that doing as far as that being my style,
I try to do that ship. But I like when
I see artists do that ship, you know what I'm saying,
That's that's cool. I always sit back and be like, yeah,
do that ship, nigga. You know what I'm saying, yeah,
hell yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
So like I said, we bossing around a little bit.
When was the first time you met pop?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Who was that? Who was that? Uh? In my neighborhood video?

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Your video in my neighborhood she's really doing my interview,
that's all in my notes.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
In my neighborhood video and you know, uh, it was
was shooting and pot came over there.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
He just came out the clear blue sky was like.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
A keple of minutes brain with the nine and you
know you singing the stutter rapping ship that I've made.
And I was like, damn. I was like, that's two poles,
Like what uthing? You know what I'm saying. I started
thinking about him.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, he already did Juice.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah that movie was like fresh out and everybody was
still watching it.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
And ship, you know what I'm saying. But you know,
he knew all the words to my ship. So I
was like, you know, automatically hit it off. I'm like
that nigga singing the stutter rap you know the words
to that mother that's hard? Well yeah, so we you know,
after that, it was like, you know what the bitch
is said, Man, let's go let's go kick it, Let's
go to the club.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Let's do what we were too young to get in
the club seventeen somewhere.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yeah, we still standing by the store trying to get
people to get us.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Uh, get us afterohol and Ship you know.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Both got records off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't give
a goddamn drink. Can't get it records about drinks, about
drinks by how the song one of these seven proof
is on the radio, bang and they looking at me like,
you can't buy the herd.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
No, nigga, go in there and give me a body else.
You seventeen, you just get us some damn drink?

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Please? Oh now?

Speaker 1 (23:01):
And then what about the name Spice Onolle? How does
that come about?

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Well, you know, sp spike stands for sex, pistols into
cash and entertainment and uh and and and and the
one is you know I you know, at one time
I put them off first, you know what I'm saying.
But the name actually at the later on in life,
you know the reason why I put the one on
the name uh, at the end of the name started
uh having a multiple reasons, you know what I'm saying.
Like sometimes when I was rocking. I had to rock

(23:29):
by myself, you know what I'm saying. That first album
my dropped, I didn't have no features on there. It
was just me and we sold a million copies. You
know what I'm saying, And and and and and it's
hard to you know, UH tell me uh that I
need somebody like that went out and the out and
already rocked by myself and did it.

Speaker 2 (23:46):

Speaker 4 (23:46):
With the right people behind me as far as UH
marketing and promotion and all of that stuff, you know
what I'm saying, I don't need uh to do have
a feature on my records. You know what I'm saying,
some other nigga wrapping on there. I don't need that
nigga on there.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I can.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
I can do a whole record by myself and still
have motherfucker's cracking, you know, had that ship popping, you
know what I'm saying. And that meant a lot to
me too, you know what I'm saying. So now it's
like features is cool, you know, but you gotta be
able to hold your own motherfucking ship, you know what
I'm saying. You know, That's why I put the one
on the end of my name. Sometimes you gotta rock
by yourself, right.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
It makes me think of DMX. Yeah, yeah, you had you.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Sometimes you gotta go, man, you know what I'm saying,
especially if you know you capable shit. You know what
I'm saying. I know I can, I can, I can
get on stage. I still, man, I still get on
stage and rock with no music. I don't need I
tell them to cut the fucking music off, Nigga, let
me know. Let let me let y'all know how I
get down before anything. Then we can start the show,
you know what I'm saying. Or or at the end

(24:42):
of the show. You know what I'm saying. If if
by the end of my show you wasn't impressed, We're
gonna cut the motherfucking music off and I'm gonna show
you who I really am.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
You know what I'm saying. So that's that's why you know, Yeah,
you gotta be able to do that. You know what
I'm saying. Who would you go gett at versus anybody?
If you had to pick it, maybe uh your choice ship.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Damn man, that's crazy because it'll be anybody. Anybody can
get it. I got love for all every every rapper
in this every rapper in the world, niggas that came
up for me.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
But any of y'all can get it. And y'all know
what it is. Man, You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yuck mouv Hell yeah, you know what I'm saying, Man,
you could be That'll be fun, you know, because because
we got we got the I got five on the
songs and all of that ship we turn up.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
You know what I'm saying. Definitely shout out to the
loanis man. Let me keep thinking, mister fab.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Yeah, Mr fab Man, I got I got hit fab
on a new album, you know, on some new ship
I'm working on.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
You know what I'm saying, So stay tuned for all
of that ship. One more, you go, one more.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Don't gotta stay by area. I like saying he could,
He could, He could be very with it.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I mean, but.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
You would have to find an artist that can match
because I because because the one thing I'm gonna do
it like I always do, I'm gonna cut the music
off and I'm gonnay rolling up with the script, leaving
the doors of mister busts liter right know, I gotta
be smoking up with the foot to the pedal through
the getto fall from a rock star, but playing with
heavy metal watch a nigga cop calls and play with
hell hit ca ons on cop calls on puls because
my brother gotta ride my wid gaspright dip hit. If

(26:34):
you call us some black on black six, I'm gonna
cut the music off and start doing that ship. So
you know, then whoever can fuck with that then tell
them to come on here. And that's just some ship
I got. You know what I'm saying. If I actually wrote,
you know, I don't even write no more with my nigga.

Speaker 2 (26:47):

Speaker 3 (26:47):
I heard start spinning.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Baby, Here's what it is. You know what I'm saying.
It's it's this music.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Man.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
You gotta be like a motherfucking you know, the dude
with the long ass beard. I just saying, got the
long on beers. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
The motherfucking o g to the master.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
You know what I'm saying, after all of these years,
if you don't master that ship, then you got a problem.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
You know what I'm saying. If you can't after all.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Of these years, if you got to, if you still
got to sit down there and write your ship and
all of that. Then you know you didn't learn nothing
through the all of this time. It should be easy
to get up there. These motherfucker's only all they want
to twelve bars, now, twelve bars and the eight bar hooks.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
That's so fucking easy for me.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Sixteen we was doing sixteen three, sixteens, eight bar hooks.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Writing that ship down. And then if you fucked up
back in the day, if you fucked up your wrap
back in the day in the studio, you have to
they have.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
To cut the music off.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
They have to go back there to the real where
you fucked.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Up at, cut that off, take it back together, and
then start you over. If you fucked up back then
now you could just say, okay, y'all, go back, I fucked.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Up, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's different now
trying to pull up.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Was your ship that you did on the Michael Jackson, Yeah,
rapping on what is that?

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Man? I did that ship?

Speaker 4 (28:08):
That's the street general, you know, and it's it's like
this meme every you know, thing on everybody put it
out there, and it's like, you know, I took Michael
Jackson ship turned it into some gangster ship, you know,
the first time I did it, I was in Germany,
and I and I you know, and I was spinning
it and I had to stop, literally stop rapping, dude,

(28:32):
and wait for these motherfuckers to quit screaming.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Over the crowd. Or you did it live, you're saying
live in Germany.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
I had a start.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
I had to, And at first I was really upset, like, man,
come on, y'all, let me finish this, Ship, I said.
I mean, they were screaming loud as fucking I was like,
it's all we love, and so I love, just you know,
let them scream.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I can't sure. I'm pretty sure. I was in a
few different different parts and ship.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
I didn't think the show was gonna be that damn
pat you know it, you know it was. It was cracking,
but I couldn't believe how loud they were screaming. So
I knew that somebody to go fucking record that song,
go recording ship. So I recorded, you know, two versions
of it, the old school version and then a new version.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I just recorded. Y'all can check that out anywhere?

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah? Yeah, no, no, no re checked it out? Did did
Michael Jackson? The State contacted? Yes?

Speaker 2 (29:24):
No, I was I was expecting them to like, you know,
they got they got to hit me up once somewhere.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
But you know, ship maybe they probably just like this
nigga crazy.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
He ain't getting no money on that ship anyway. Fun
that we got away. Do what you do?

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Help me, you know, so let me what's your favorite
part of it? Is it making the record or performing
the record? Performing? And definitely get out of here.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Definitely performing because well I came into the game solely
on performance. Like you know, when n w A came
out to Oakland to uh On on that uh On
that tour. I was to open and act when they
came to Oakland at the skating ring the first yeah

(30:06):
whoa and I opened up, you know what I'm saying.
And I had to turn a lot of motherfuckers in
front of me that didn't know who I was and
give a funk who I was. Boo, nigga, bug the
funk out. We want to see n w A all
of that ship. I had to turn them up.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah I am, they want to see. But you're still
the guy in the bay correct. Yeah you know what
I'm saying. But no M at the time, you know,
and I.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Was just like, man, you know I'm thinking back, you know,
shout out to the homie Piso, you know, he was
my my DJ back then, and he was like, you know,
let's do this ship.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
We got the song, let's just do it.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
And so I'm like, okay, you know, fucking let's let's
go out here and turn this. When I was doing
that Pizzo house and ship, and it was like, fix
me a beat. You know, I'm Spice wanning. He was
Piso to be fixed, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Like, fix me a beat, Nigga, fix me a beat,
and he was like fix me.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
We started knocking sh it down, but I had to
turn that crowd in front of me, uh, from haters
into motherfuckers. We had love for me right there in
everybody else's face, and that was That was a tryump.
That's why I like being able to perform my shit
more than them listening to it, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
That must have been a game changer though. Yeah, through
that show like this, did shit changes? You notice should
change after that show for you?

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, I was still in high school. Yeah, I was
still in high school.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
I went back to high school, like, yeah, just turned
that NWA shit out, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
But I learned. I learned. Yeah, it was because because I.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Was passing off the flyers before and everything at school.
They you know, I had haters and ship you know,
they believe me. Some of them didn't believe it, thought
I was bullshitting, But my real friends came up there
supported me.

Speaker 2 (31:43):

Speaker 4 (31:44):
Shout out to my real homies, especially the homies of Brookfield,
not yet of Brookfield. All my hat with homies came
through and supported me even when I was sixteen.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Shout out, baby, blow God, damn well, Spice. We want
you to know our show is about giving people they flowers.
We wanted to give your flower space space man and man,
tell you how great you are, tell you how much
you deserve these flowers. We've been when we started good

(32:11):
and then and then the words of Snoop is better
than the Grammy because they come for your people, you know.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Man, who've been trying to make a happen. I can't
stop looking at this, bro. That's what the fun IM
talking about.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
That damn them. I mean, thank you. I really appreciate that.
You know you be and my friend.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
But I've really written research, I really writ in research
and did And one of the things that was like
a little disturbing to me was I believe he was
like one of the first West Coast people to go platinum.
Like I'm engaged the hip hop, right yeah. Besides, like
you know, like ice Tea and but ice Cube. But
I'm still in a different generation, so the new generation.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
He was like the first.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
But what made me a little upset was me reading
and me you know, researching and watching videos and you
said you only made thirty to one hundred thousand off
of eleven million.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah, we wouldn't we We really didn't get no money
out of that. You know, I couldn't even pay off
my house and ship.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
You know, I just made eleven million, Yeah, millions, made
eleven million, made it, eleven million made it?

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Well you think you think I have?

Speaker 4 (33:25):
We had nine hundred thousand and thirteen dollars a unit,
right right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
We somewhere around there, and this is on jove, this
is on job. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
And then I did, like what three or four more
albums did the same thing back to back, right, and
this is all gangster ship. It wasn't no, I wasn't
trying to make no hot singles and ship like that.
I was just spitting what was on my mind, you know,
because I really believed that that if you said what
you feel and kept shit realed, then then motherfucker's gonna
fill you out there. They're gonna catch that same energy.

(33:55):
So that's why I was, uh, you know, floating towards
That's why I was. I was getting that all the
real motherfuckers, you know what I'm saying. So shout out
to all the real motherfuckers out there who bought my ship,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Let me ask you, right.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Because.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Me, I.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Saw a fucked up deal, but I didn't have success
my first album.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, so me not being successful.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Kind of worked out, yeah, because I had a fucked
up deal. But you add a fucking up deal with
a successful album.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
What successful albums? He said, albums? I mean, let's just
stay on that first one for a second, right, because
is that when you figure out that you're in the
fuck up situation after that first album?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Or is it?

Speaker 4 (34:39):
It took me after the first well maybe the third album, okay,
and I started thinking like, you know, hey, you know
they I know, they made a lot of money, way
more money than than I did. But damn, at least
I can just try to pay Can you pay off
my house? My house was only one hundred and thirty thousand.
Why ain't been able to pay off this house? You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
And you're still young, You're really young. Yeah, I'm only
like twenty three, I think. So everything's new to you,
all the economics of things. Yeah, I didn't know no shit. Man.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
I got into the game knowing nothing, but I had
to learn, you know, the hard way, you know what
I'm saying. I ended up giving them more albums, and
you know, falling deeper and deeper into it, and uh,
you know, by the end, by the time I got
off the I wanted to get off the contract, out
of the contract, and everything they were was no promotion

(35:28):
and marketing under the videos for.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
The last album that you put.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Yeah, like, you know, so I gotta lead with a
two hundred thousand my last record do too?

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Three hundred thousand?

Speaker 4 (35:38):
You know, enough to get them some money, but enough
to stop you from action. Yeah, I'm still in debt
and from actually getting another deal, you know what I'm saying.
So it was hard after that, But after ninety nine
after I got off the label, I had to learn everything.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
You know.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
It took another ten years to even learn the independent game,
you know what I'm saying. And you know I made
a lot of mistakes doing that. So but to stay relevant,
you know, all I just kept, you know, made sure
that mastered my craft and kept my sword sharping as
far as you know, mastering my craft and being able
to spit and uh and uh you know, uh get

(36:16):
my audience fired up, you know what I'm saying. Being
able to hold your own in the show or whatever.
Being able to to get the crowd going or whatever
when you spit even though they ain't never heard the
song or they know the songs. Your new ship, your
old ship. You gotta kind of stay relevant out here,
you can. You got to keep spitting. But because that's
what you do. You know, I don't have another job,

(36:37):
you know what I'm saying. I'm a rap artist. I
don't I don't have another job as a as a
I don't sell houses, I don't do no extra ship out.
I'm a rap artist. All my money I made came
off this music, you know what I'm saying. And that's
something I'm proud to say. You know what I'm saying. Uh,
even though it's a lot of other other artists venture
out into it, a lot of different things, I just
know this is what I'm good at and that's how

(36:57):
I get my money.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
You know what I'm saying, Live eat sheep, ship this ship.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
So we had other artists on and a lot of
them are looking forward to what is it thirty five
years or thirty years? Thirty years, thirty years that your
master reverts back to you?

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah, but and then you but then you got to
go through a lot of paperwork and whatever and.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
File this and file that soldiers got this ship back.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, So it's possible where you do it.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
You just got to have the right team and people
behind you to say, Okay, look, let's get your fucking
master's back.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Let's call this lawyer and get because you own all
your ship.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Now, right, you know it's been more than thirty years, correct, Yeah, yeah,
so you should, you should, you should get yours back.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Hell, I'm working on that, and we're definitely working on that.
When I do, y'all definitely gonna know, yeah, saying I'll
dropping my own projects and doing my own ship and.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Do your own shit over yeah exactly, Yeah, the remix
of this and remixing that master or whatever.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
So so.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
My first album I didn't have the the correct representation
or whatever, right, But then that second album I went
in yeah, and I for more report to.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
An album and then an R album.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
I like, I was, I don't want to say, like
I became a dick. I didn't kind of trust anybody
because I had just went through like.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
The bad shit.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
So I was just like, you know what I mean,
was that something like I don't want to say bitter
because I wasn't bitter. I was just what's that shit
called paranoid? I was paranoid, like I was. Anybody wanted
to work with me, I was like, all right, cool,
just do this like this like this, because I just
felt like everyone was taking advantage of me. Had you
ever got to that point where you was just paranoid?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah? Because you can see you know, you can see people.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
You can tell when people don't really give a fuck,
they're just kind of like trying to get the money.
After the situation, you know what I'm saying, and you
kind of like, well, you know, whatever happens, uh, it's
a it's gonna be at at at your at my expense.
If this don't fall through, if that don't fall through,
they gonna look it at me, you know what I'm saying.

(39:10):
So but but you got to the people that you
work with. You gotta have faith and confidence in them,
and they gotta be real motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (39:17):

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Now you know better how to you know, choose characteristics
in the motherfucker. Back in the day, you know, we
was just out here kind of.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
You was trying to get out the hood.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Were trying to get
out of the hood. But I didn't want to. I
made my first fifteen grand make it through music.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
It wasn't no, it wasn't selling though like that, I'm jealous.
I think, hey, you know I want through to remind you.
Remember it was like I think we did that song
song yep, we did a yeah, And I was like studios, yeah,

(40:00):
the stereos and jobs.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
I was like, I was like, nah, man, I was
like I was out and I think we did another
song to I did one with you or something yes,
And then and then I was like, I'm not gonna
charge you ship, yes, And he was like, no, I'm
not gonna charge you ship anyway. And then I said,
now fuck it. I said, you got a major deal.
I said charge me to don't charge you. We're gonna

(40:25):
buy some weight we can get. We got paid.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I'm like, you're gonna talk you about.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
That, because you know, me and him one of our
major arguments, and sometimes I'm on his side and I
feel like sometimes he's on my side.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Too when due to certain circumstances.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I always say that the artists should actually start off major,
get all that promotional money that because they can't.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Take back fan. Yeah, they can't take that.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
They can't take back fing like they can do. Like
I'm saying, use all the marketing dollars, you know, go
on the tours.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
You know, go to the you know.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
The breakfast clubs, the big boys, the Drake Champson. Okay,
we wasn't invented then, but uh yeah, uh.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
E bros.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Or whatever, like, use that up at least for that
first album, right at least for that first album. And
once you become that superstar, that megastar, then you either
branch out and you tell them yo, you know, I
want to own a piece of myself or let me
let me buy myself out of the contract. I mean,
depending on how big you are. It's kind of impossible sometimes,
but it is possible. Like God, bless God, bless me

(41:42):
for using this example. But before he before he was
in jail, Tory Lanez brought himself out of his contract.
He's one of the first artists to have a successful
album and then go to his label and have enough
money to say what do I owe? His's what I owe?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I want to leave. Yeah, he did it. That was
a boss move, right, he did it.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
He had hit on a minority. They could. But I'm saying,
haven't hit. Sometimes will work against you, though, ef N,
because they're like, you made this money for us. He's
writing music. His checks were different than the average you saying.
He was writing other artists musical.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
He was very.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
But this is what I'm saying, because you know how
many and you argue about the situation.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
I don't want to argue about Okay, okay, this is
the beta man. You know what I mean? Another argument,
it's the beta man.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
But what I'm saying is, if you had enough bread
and you could come to the label after once selling
one successful platinum album. That is the ideal, quite essential
situation when I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
About where you be independent major, right right. You understand
that's rare that that could happen.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
It's very rare, but just seen it happen.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
In this day, the percentage of artists that even gets
signed and have successful releases is very minimal.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
You know, get shoved. I know a lot of.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
That ship is like the spirm trying to get to
the egg. Yeah. Man, you know it's it's like they're
all trying to get.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
To that apartments to push their record and.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
This is an old school crazy hood drink.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Why is that's the nasty It's it's the way, it's.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Crazy.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah, well, you know, put some ship together over there.
You got seven proof but streaming you were streaming or nah.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
I think that we need to get paid more because
you know what, we're not even getting a penny of
stream So that's that's that's that's just slavery, bro. You
know damn. You know it's like, where are they gonna
pay their motherfucking artists?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Man? Like, what are we just slaves to the rhythm?

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Bruh?

Speaker 4 (43:45):
You know what I'm saying, We never go get paid
for this ship, like, we really got to go after
our money. So, I mean, streaming is is cool, but
it's it's just you know, you got to do so many.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Streams and get some fucking money. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I heard right now. The artists are so dumb. This
is this is I heard this from the inside of
the inside. So I gotta be very careful of What
I'm saying is that when the producer goes produces the record,
they go to the person who has the master and
they say, well, who owns the masters? They don't even
speak to the artists, to the artist.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
They do it.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
It's shady. They are streaming general general not not streaming
coming up. But what they doing is that said listen,
but listen listen to hit me out.

Speaker 2 (44:40):

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Spice comes to me, he signed, he signs the artist, right,
he signs the artist. I'm the producer, he owns the master.
I'm the producer automatically, I own the fifty percent of
the other thing.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Right. Then they go to the publisher and they.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Have the publisher by the artists publisher out and the
artist has nothing. Artists that you have to be in
this media to get his publishing No, no, no, What what
I'm saying is he owns the master. I'm labeled as
the producer. And then you I forget what your world
was when I said.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
You didn't give me a role.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
You're publishing company. Yeah, you're publishing company. So the artist
is so dumb. They get their advance and then the
publishing company comes to them and says, are another and
he just signs off because for a first say to you,
I'm gonna take your H two O. You say, who
gives a fun? But you said I'm gonna take your
air like oh ship. So that's what they way. So

(45:39):
the artists have literally when they give advances of publishing, yes, so.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Have nothing to do with their own ship.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
If you don't, if you don't, if you're if you
have like one of those records that is just reacting
in the neighborhood and it's not in these clubs and
it's not in the radio, then you literally will be
bro the literally you will literally have nothing because there's
no residuals. Yeah, at least they give us the lituals.
You get like they say, you get half a cent word.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
You ain't really getting shipped, you know, anybody you you
deal with nowadays and you talk to them, they said,
you know, no money in it, and it's it's industry
and no money in the game right now, you know,
except for CEO.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Except for the sex for streaming companies. In the streaming
companies they.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Get leam Cole said to us, it's the best time
to get in the music industry because you don't have
to produce the music, meaning you don't have to produce
the CDs.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Remember how much the cost, Remember.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
How the album and you know how easy it was
to aunt for that. Huh, how easy it was for
you to account if you made your own CDs and
pressed up CDs.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
We was complaining about that ship. We were complaining about you.
We can't track the CDs. You can't track a stream.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
But in the streaming company will be like, oh, yeah,
you had a million streams and really you had three
million stream and you know they don't cut checks if
you don't reach a certain threshold streams. So they keeping
some money from small artists that don't reach let's say
a thousand streams. Right, if you have nine hundred and
ninety nine streams, you don't get a check. Wow, So

(47:12):
that means they holding checks for all because you know,
now there's a million artists out there throwing their music
into the system. So they keeping that money, They keeping
that money, they keeping.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Them And this is my point. Mind you, I told
you two different stories, one from Leo and one from
these other people, so that lets you know that right now,
so many people are opening record companies just because of that.
It's because of their relationship with the with So you're
the record company, I'm the producer, and he's the publisher.
But we all down, you the publisher, but they all

(47:46):
down together, and then they signed Kareem, who is the artist.
Kareem doesn't know. Kareem taking there. I'm taking your publishing,
y publisher, I'm taking your No, he owns the masses. Yes,
so you ma man, Yeah, that's that's how I fucked up.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
This is.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Like, you know, my own ship, my first meeting and
I gotta go to the back and coming right back.
I mean the very first meeting, my very first meeting
as a solo artist. I was on Compona Norca. Pone
is locked up and I go to a meeting and
for some reason, I go early. No rapper goes nowhere early.
But I knew that it was my advantage right right,
So I went there half an hour maybe forty five

(48:26):
minutes early. My look is in there with her shoes off,
getting fat grace. I'm like, this is not gonna be
a good deal for me.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
This like it was like it was there was nothing
bad going on, But.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
I'm want to saying this, what first of what the
fuck are you doing here early early getting fiked? And
I don't want them to say who it is because
I do businesses.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Me back. But look, but with all that being said,
and you being signed to Jive and going through all
this that you went through, but the area you come
from the Bay and that surrounding area it is so
known for independence for out the trunk sales. Was there
a time from where you're like, damn, what why.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Am I on a label? And where what are those
guys doing that I should be doing?

Speaker 4 (49:13):
You know?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
It was but.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
I had what we had dropped one eighty seven proof
of the the the single and then the EP let
it be known, and it was it was just blew
the fuck up, you know what I'm saying. Like it's
like it was everywhere, you know, I was already touring
in different states and all of that ship after the

(49:40):
first EP independent. The first independent EP just set me
the fuck off, you know what I'm saying, And and
and then job came. So I didn't really have too
much independence before the major Yeah, yeah, but but it
was it was with another Uh, it was an independent
label right with this lady. Because I was you know,

(50:01):
I was you know, I was, I was twenty years old.
I didn't know ship, so all I knew was wrap
and get the money, you know what I'm saying, And
and and uh, this label came tryat records, this lady
named Georgette Willis, and she come out and she like,
I got a record label. She meet me on the
Dope on the Dope track where I'm selling dope. You know,
I woul look at it here, you know what you're

(50:21):
do it here? She's like, you want to buy some dope?

Speaker 3 (50:25):
She but not that dope.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
I'm like, you know, She's like you one, and I'm like, yeah,
you know, She's like, can I get it a tape?

Speaker 2 (50:31):
And I gave her a tape and ship that I
have made whatever she.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Was selling crack and taste at the same time.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have my dope down to sell
down and down the sewer and ship tied to the
fisher stree, you know, taken in the bushes like the
song say she right up. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
She's like, you know, white white lady of black lady.
She was like this crib lady.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Man. She was beautiful. I was like, what the fuck?
What the fuck? She was like white, white, white Mercedes Bens,
white business skirt, and I'm like, what the fuck this
lady doing here? She'd get your cup out of here, lady.
That's all I'm thinking.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
We got beat for these niggas and tell them short
stopping us down. There's been going down. My cousin riding
around with her with a forty five hanging out his
pocket on her on the bike. And I'm sitting over
there with the Tech nine in the bushes and she
pull up on my Spice one.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
You want to you got a tape?

Speaker 4 (51:25):
I gave her a tape, and you know, the next
day she she uh, you know, I talked to her
on the phone a few times and and the next
day she came over and I had to have my mom.
I was still young, you know, I had my mom,
had my mom there and all of that ship. Uh
to to talk to her about Farrest business, and my
mother like, you know, it's just what you want to do.
I'm like, I'm selling dope on the street nobody ever
heard of and they were kinding for so she did.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I didn't tell her that she id but you.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Know I wasn't out there, but you know, so yeah,
so I signed the ship and she We did the
album and man, we did the EP.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
We put up.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
Banks came in the mix and started remixing the songs
that I had already had in my neighborhood and one
of seven proof and all of that. He started coming
in and he threw his his his his shot in
there and threw me a few beats and we had
an EP. You know what I'm saying. We released the EP. Man,
next thing, you know, it's all over the day. Like
I actually got a chance to go into the record

(52:22):
store back in the day and watch them just just
buy my ship off the shelf. Just sit there and
watch it all go, like, you know, I'm sitting They
don't know it's.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Me, just like in the dream though.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
It's crazy. I'm just sitting there, you know, Like there
was no video music box back then.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Yeah, yeah, it was just starting and we did one
a seven proof video and we had the claymation of
figures in there. You know that we actually had the
bottles running around shooting each other and ship. You know
what I'm saying that was the video is crazy and uh,
you know I never thought uh that. I was like,
shit is kind of crazy, Like I ain't gonna like that,
but it was. It was number one on the box

(52:56):
for a long time and I had to come out
here to Miami the Box and.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Yah, yeah I remember.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
I remember. That was literally the last time I was
out here.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Hold on, literally the last time you was that's crazy.
It was when the box was there. Let's take a shot.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
No, no, but I just have a question. So so
you guess you'd signed with her? She's independent. The deal
you do with drive is it with her or no?

Speaker 4 (53:26):
It was literally it was with her. They you know,
she wanted me to stay, uh with with the late
want to do the independent thing. It really didn't, but
to her she said, you know, if you want to
go with the manor label, I'll let you out of
the contract and you can rock.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
With She wasn't a part of the deal. She just
lets you go from.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
You know, they gave us some mandeal to you know
what I wanted to do that. I was like, no,
I don't want to just go like that, like, you know,
let them let.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Him pay you.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
You know what I'm saying, because if it weren't for you,
this ship wouldn't have wouldn't it possible? So yeah, whatever
they're gonna pay you, man, get that money. Get your money, girl.

Speaker 2 (54:04):

Speaker 4 (54:04):
I'm gonna go over here and get some get some money,
you know what I'm saying. Then I get over there
and they just would run through me. You know what
I'm saying, Just not really.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
You know, you get these advances thirty thousand, yeah, forty thousand,
then I get eighty thousand for the first time and
a manager disappeared.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Like so, you know, man, the whole.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Time, you know you're getting you're getting gaffled the whole time.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Bruh.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
If you don't, you know, it's like you trust people,
You be around people thinking that you know that uh somebody,
you know, the people that you got in your circle
is cool, but they behind your back.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Brouh.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
You know, it ain't really really ain't what it's the
same with you think it is, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
And in retrospect, you think if you would have stayed
with her and kept going and would have made more money,
you would have made probably more bro.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Yeah, because I heard you say you made way more
money independent than you did made.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Because I made you know, I just made it, you know,
the first fifteen thousand independent and and you know, I
thought I was on top of the world, you know
what I'm saying. But it was it was better than
it was better and better than trying to you know,
selling double jack niggas and ships, stealing cars and all that,

Speaker 2 (55:16):
So I felt that was a better deal. See me personally,
me and EF we always argue for this.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
I believe in that theory that I just said, Like
I like the majors a certain extent, you know what
I mean, Like I like staying at you know.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Yeah, when you got the right deal with them, it's
everything is good. But then it's like the certain deals
that they give you or they try to give you
and you try to renegotiate, depends all depends on how
bad they want you as an artist and they always
you know that. The thing is like, it's like you
got to make them come to you. You can't go
to them. You got to make them come to you
just like you know, you know a pip and tell

(55:55):
you you know, you can't go to them.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
You got to make it come to you.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
You got to be so fly, you gotta be just
so dope this to that point to where you make
them come to YouTube where they know they can make
money dealing with you, you know what I'm saying. And and
and that's the that's the that's the trick, you know,
because when you go to them, they treat you like
you went to them. When they come to you, then
you know they acquiring your services. So you gotta you know,
you can got negotiating room and ship or whatever, you

(56:20):

Speaker 3 (56:21):
But when you go to them like you need something,
they gonna treat you like you need something. Was there
any time that you did you like being on a label?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I love being on a label.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
It's just the point of of the The business part
wasn't right, you know what I'm saying. The relationships between
me and the people on the label was beautiful, but
the business relationship wasn't right.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
You know, I wasn't getting paid like I never I.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Never got the chance to buy my mama that house,
even though even before she died. You know what I'm saying,
I didn't get that money like that.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Do you blame that more on your team or you're
blaming more on a label.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
I'm kind of blaming on myself for trusting people and
trusting the wrong pace people. You know what I'm saying.
I should have trusted none of them cats. You know
I should have. I should have went to maybe some
different people or something and dealt with them. But you know,
everything is a lesson to be learned, and now it's
it's full speed ahead.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
You know. Uh.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
I look back just for clarific clarification and and uh
and learning experience. But I just move ahead because it's like, damn,
you know, I can't you know, I gotta watch this
and watch that, you know what I'm saying. But you
know you always got to think back and say, damn,
you know, if I wouldn't have did this, this would

(57:36):
have happened, you know what I'm saying. But it's all
a learning experience. Now it's so long, and.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Who was your management back then I had, Uh, I
had John had this guy named John John crashed nothing.
I had Chaz Hayes, and I had and I had, uh.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
Who's that after Chaz Hayes? Because I stop having managers
after that. Yeah, I can't even remember it, but I
just stop having managers after that, kind of just like,
you know, man, you need to learn the business because yeah, yeah,
it's too much money involved, you know. And and for

(58:20):
me to trust anybody just somebody out of the blue,
you know, just say they can be a manager and
they have no credentials or clarifications or no contacts to
you know, I say, Okay, you're a manager, Go give
me a deal. You're a manager, Give me a good deal.
I need a good deal for before at least at
at least one point five. Go give me a deal

(58:41):
for one point five and so we can actually drop
a real project and I can do what I need
to do, you know what I'm saying, And and and
that's hard to find, you can't, you know. So I mean,
with with all of that said, it's like, shit, I
gotta go give me a deal for one point five.
I gotta And at the same time, I gotta make
them come to me, I can't go to them, you

(59:03):
know what I'm saying. But a lot of these cats nowadays,
they you know, they got they got enough d boy
money to just say, Okay, I got one point five
to invest in my first single to go platinum, you

Speaker 2 (59:14):
So it's different when you when you know, when you you.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
You going, uh purely off talent, trying to go off
your skills and uh, and then you got then then
then then the cat that got the bread and his
ship is kind of cool, it's kind of dope, but
you know he got enough money in nobody to put
into it to make the ship sound like the best
shitting you ever heard of your life, you know what.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Yeah, So let me ask you because in our error,
you have to be skilled, you have to be nice. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. So you had to be there,
get put on right now, right now. It's a popularity contest, contest. Yeah,
the label will sign anything or get down with anything
that's popular. It doesn't matter if the shit is talking

(01:00:02):
about suck your own elbow, you know what I'm saying.
Like they don't care, Like they don't care. Did you
ever think that hip hop will go to that route
where it's just like, hey, cut my toenails.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I thought that mainstream hip hop would go that route,
but I know that mainstream would go that route down once.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Yeah, once they got to the mainstream. Once he got
to mainstream, it's like, ain't'm telling what the hell like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Do with this ship now?

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Because remember there's a time that hip hop were being
on the radio was frowned upon, like if he was
really a hip.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Hop like Hamma Hammer for instance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Right, well, I mean he got a lot of slack
yeah for being as mainstream as was, but but in
general like that, remember the song EPMD did a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Crossover, It's all like being on the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
No, People were like, I don't want to be on
the radio because it's gonna look like I'm going mainstream.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
It was times where I remember I got the funny
memory of Easy E and Too Short trying to talk
me into going to the radio station without the pistol.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
You've never you've been there without it before. I didn't
want to go in there without the pisos. Oh wow,
we was in Alante you that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Yeah, I got Too Short of the Easy East sitting
there like, man, you know short like, man, you can't
bring that ship in here and she got in here man,
short like, man, you got to just go in there
and do the interview. Just going easy, like, you got
just go in there and do the interview.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
I'm like, I'm not going in there without my ship.
I'm like, you know, hey, come on show. You know
what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
You know what I'm saying that because how much beef
you had in the streets all that?

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
Yeah, yeah, because of that, you know what I'm saying.
And I'm like, you know, I'm not doing it. He's like,
just easy, like just going there for about fifteen minutes, man,
and you can come out and ship. And I'm like,
I don't know. It took him about thirty minutes to
talk to me. And then you know, I said, damn.
You know what I'm saying, I gonna put the banger
up in the car and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Go in there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
You know, I'm sitting there like this is shit is crazy.
You know what I'm saying. I'm on the radio, and
I know I got enemies out here. These niggas can
pull up this motherfucker any minute. That's what I'm trying
to tell y'all. Can we just get the interview done.
You know what I'm saying, trying to hurry up and
get the ship done.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
You know what I'm saying. This is a bang l
a in l a Okay, go ahead and you know easy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
It was like, I got some niggas outside, I want
you to meet after you finished doing an interview, and
it was it was bomb Thuds. That's when I first
met them. Oh wow, that was cool. That was out
in the van and ship the Easy Event. It was
like a video. I went out there. The Easy Event
was out there and they opened up. Hell of smoke
popped out and then bone Thugs popped out, and I was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Like, hey, what's up?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Like my niggas meant for life all day? Y'all do
music together. You got you and bone Thuns.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Well, I got a song.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
I got songs with me and me and Lazy got
I think like two songs.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Because I definitely here. Yeah it sound great together. I
got a song with Crazy too. I just got to
need to get it. We all need to get together
and do one song, like you know hell yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Was let's go plain playing them the rules.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
All right, this is our drinking game, ready, fish one,
Let's go. We'll give you two choices.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Pick one. We were not drinking.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
But trying to get this nigga drunk for years. He
don't get drunk.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
You don't know. I sit there drinking. Well, I'm telling
you it's not gonna work for.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
If you say both or neither of the choices. Hope,
because he has Hennessy, I have hope. I don't know, man,
he's like he for life. Any drinkers, he's not gonna
get drunk.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
I like grew up on that ship. Hey, but Zito
grew up it. We might turn around and push, but
he's not. Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
When I used to get sick, my my, my pops
and he would make a hot tidy and it would
be Hennessy and Hennessy and the team.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
So I've been drinking. I literally grew up on the ship.
He establishes your pops a gangster. Okay, you want to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Just said a drinking Even when I explained it rules,
it don't matter. Nobody I said you pick pick one,
we're not drinking. Pick two or none were drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Okay, you're ready.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Let's go, all right, and and give us any stories
anybody we tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Anybody were talking, Okay, okay for damn show rock him Okay,
rest one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
And they don't got to be whatever the crisis criteria.
You could be there your best friend, the grant eggs
and hand whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Ship man, it's there is one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Okay, Oh I like you picked? Okay, Tupac or mac dre.
By the way, those those two guys over there that
write the questions, the Columbian and Dominican, just in case
we don't write these questions.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Yeah, y'all crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
It's a cocaine section over there. You found they snipping
cocaine and they're looking at it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
They analyze you, they come up with the questions.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Damn, I'm gonna have to go with pack. Okay, okay,
now you know what, I can't even say that. You
gonna say both.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Yeah. I take your shot, Jamie where you're at. You're
right there? Ship no, no, come on down there. Just oh, fellow,
you know me? You say shot it, see the shot.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Right away, like shoutout, just one right here, by the way,
let's come back right in this one, dombe Remember those
get mad e forty or too short?

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Ship shot? Yeah, shot shot clock, I take a shot
on that. Look, by the way, I don't think I
can pick me for forty and too short.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Forty like my big cousin, And it's like the shortest
like my uncle, Like pick me up. Excuse me sure,
I used to pick me up from school man, take
me to the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Who like to drive crazy?

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Who like to drink more? Forty or too short? This
is not on the question. Well forty probably because forty drank.
You know, he used to get it in. Yeah. See
that's my friend. He get crazy when he get drunk,
he gets funny. Forty.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Yeah, Well he didn't get that crazy with us when
he drink with us.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
No, no, no, but you start doing this ship shout out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Yeah, but next time we drink. See on our food
my food show, he got crazy, yes, and he and
he's a connoisseur of wine by the way, like I did.
And why became you fucked?

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Like a hood?

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
A hood hood like black dudes like I Like, sometimes
you'll be looking at them like come on, how you
gonna be a connoisseur? But then you really realize, like
like you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
He's a console with a lot of ship though you
know wine.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
He's a super expert, like puts his nose and the
ship and do all that crazy ship like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah yeah, I
like that ship. I like when we got elegance fuck that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
To shout out he forty two Short both drink Champs alumni.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Yeah, I was gonna take a shot for that anyway. Okay,
jay Z or Big Daddy came. Damn man, Big Daddy Kane.
Okay you met him. Nah, but I'm just you know,
Big Daddy Knees. Just that's a fly nigga right there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
I always try to be like Big Daddy. I was
trying to be like Big Daddy kne I was against
you a few times.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Syebros like him, like a little side like Bush. So
we're not taking a shot. You can do the next one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Digital Underground. I think I know what you're getting. Damn,
I gotta take a shot. Follow Salo.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
You was around Digital under around a lot. Yeah, I
was around well, Digital Underground. I met Shot at a
place called Music Unlimited, and I was I was. I
was rapping with Too Short at the time, and even.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Uh it was funny because Master Peak had brought me up,
took me up there like Master p used to pick
me up.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Too, and be like, nigga, you wrap with two Shout Nigga,
hang out Richmond. Yeah, okay, not to f He'll come
pick me up, dude, you know, because I was, you know,
to hell. I'm them young, so I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Like two or three years young. And he come swoop
me up and ship and we'll be driving around. He'll
be like, nigga, you rapped with two Shout nigga. You know,
we're driving and he drive. We went to Music Unlimited
or something and shot G. You know, He's like, yeah,
I went up there and I think I was getting
something or microphone or something up there, and he was
playing the keyboards up there and shit. And I was like, damn, dude,

(01:08:34):
it's dope as fuck on the keyboards and stuff. Walked
over there and started talking to him, and he was like, yeah,
I'm shock G man. I got a group called on
Digit on the ground. I was like, yeah, I wrapped
with two Short Man. We got a group called a
Danger's Crew, and shit, you know what I'm saying. I
think I'm like sixteen, bro, about fifteen sixteen, and you know,
and that's when I met shot G. So it was

(01:08:54):
always money be you know I knew him too. You know,
he used to be in the in the east side
of the Bay, around Union City and Hayward, Oakland and
all that. I just knew him through the streets anyway.
So these was kind of mutual with hummies before.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
They even before they came out with what you like.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
And I had heard Tupac too through through a lot
of stuff too before I met him. He had like
a little stuff floating around the hood and ship, you know,
little songs and ship. So you know, everybody was kind
of pushing even back then.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
And by the way, when we have guests here, we
always bet if they're gonna be late or if they're.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Gonna be on time. Oh yeah, and you lost the bet.
You made all of us money today.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
He was late early, Okay, yuck mouth or JT the
bigger figure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Damn, I take a shot.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Take a shot, guys. M hm, that's a good one. Ready,
wrapping Forte or Drew Down.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
I definitely gotta take a shot off me and Foeta
go back to the Danger's Crew, you know, to tell
me a funny story about Yeah, to the Dangerous Crew,
bro and and and and drew Down. You know, man,
that's just my that's my guy right there. You know,
I talked to him every other day. We ride bikes
and all that ship. You know what I'm saying. So,

(01:10:28):
I mean, what kind of bikes? I got a Racker.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
I got a Racker, A nine hundred. It's like I
got the two in the front, one of the back,
like the fucking uh like a spider, but a sporty
version of the spider.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
White.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
They made a bicycle. Nigga Tony talk about talking about
Burnber as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
You know what I'm game. Yeah, I got got my
helmet and ship, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
The jacket, Yeah, I got my vest. My I'm a
Vegas rider. I got my uh patches and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Ships and glove. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
We ride out here. Yeah yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Uh drew down too, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
We ride.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
We ride together some time, all right. But you know
he got to ride all the way out to Vegas
and shipping. That's like a nine hour ride, you know
what I'm saying. But if you a rider, you're a rider, man,
you know what I'm saying. You just go you ride
by yourself. Yeah, you gotta go hard. I rode through
the storms and all that ship.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
How about pictures. Pictures you gotta watch all that ship.
Broy hit you on that bike. It hits you like
because you're going like you know, you keep the vest,

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yeah, see the movie Wild Hot, Yeah, I see that
she was hitting markin.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Like I was too hard to even the rain. You know,
I see a storm coming, I'm like, fucking yo. But
even it hits you, the rain even when hit your
hands and you hear it hitting your helmet and ship
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
That ship hit hard when you ride, but you're riding.
You a motherfucking rider, man.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
So when did you become wilf Way ship? You got
some white d me too. Lot of clubs many not
like a lot of it's a lot of especially you know,
like dogs in the club too.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Well, you got you got. You got the East Bay
Dragons in Oakland. The first was the first motorcycle black
motorcycle club. These bake dragons and they really you know
they paths, huh, the cousins of the path something like that.
You know, I guarantee a few panthers was up in there.
They're still up in there, you know what I'm saying, so,
I mean, you know, yeah, man, you know I just

(01:12:41):
like burning rubber on the motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
You know what I'm saying, Just hitting corners all the time, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Burning right, yeah, smoking uncle now was a black biker.
I'm like, when you come up to Vegas, let me know,
I got an extra when you got hop on that
motherfucker watching It ain't as fast as a nine hundred,

(01:13:14):
but if you can get the six hondred on the
ride on there, you know, so you you in Vegas,
you living bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Yeah, yeah, I'm out there now because let's get back.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
To that hold on us, back to all right, Biggie
or big punt.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Man. I gotta take a shot. I love Big Biggie Man.
Real spit. I heard Biggie.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
They asked him who was his favorite rapper on the
West Coast, Spice one, and that nigga says Spice One.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
I said, okay, that's my nigga. I don't give it,
but you don't get no bigger he was. He was
on the West Coast.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Man's bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
If you don't get no bigger, that's my nigga. Heard
that interview ship. I think I heard that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Yeah, the same interview, he kind of said something bad
about forty on Yeah, the same interview.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
It was an the middle of that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
You know what I'm Yeah, Okay, I'm like, you know,
I fuck with all my East Coast niggas. It's hard
just you know, met the man Man. I think I'm
the only West Coast nigga on Wotan's Greatest Hits.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Man, you know what I'm saying, Like that song with
me and Meta man is on their greatest heads. Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
And you know, and I listened to the Greatest Hits,
I didn't hear nobody with me on there talking about Yeah, man,
ship you know, shout out to the whole Wu Tang clamber,
the Thiggas bro.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
You know what I'm saying, Ship, Doctor Dre or DJ Quick.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
You know we're gonna have to take a shadow that way.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
I love And this is this is a this is
a two part question going back to back. Okay, original
or Death Row Tupac.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
I said the original Tupac because without the original Tupac,
it wouldn't be a death Row Tupac. Like you know,
he had to you know, learning a lot of ship
and go through a lot of ship to become the
death row Tupac in the in the and in that
I respect that original Tupac for doing that, you know
what I'm saying. So it's like, you know, damn, you

(01:15:28):
went through a lot of ship to get to this
point in your life to where you know, we're sitting
up here and you tell you're telling me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
This is what it was, This is how this is
why everybody was confused. He's sitting here telling me. He like,
I'm gonna show all these niggas what it is to
be a real thug nigga. You die and you go
to jail, nigga, that's what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
He said, I'm gonna show y'all niggas what it is
to be a real nigga, what happens to a real nigga,
This thug life nigga. And he was like, when I die,
they ain't gonna be able to compare every every rapper
that come out behind me. They're gonna have to compare him,
compare him to me. And he's in here telling me this.
You know what I'm saying, This is the original. It's
the original Tupac. You know what I'm saying. When we

(01:16:09):
youngsters were riding around Oakland and ship. You know what
I'm saying, We got the top down popping that bitches
with Lake Mirriat. You know what I'm saying, This is
what he's telling me, and I'm you know, I'm with it.
I'm like, hell yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
Fuck that but not knowing you know this need literally
for telling his prophecy. You know what I'm saying, Like now,
you can't you a rapper or any of artists that
drop right now, They compare him the Tupac and certain
and then they even get mad sometimes don't compare me
to Tupac. You should be motherfucking really happy. They compare
your ass to Tupac, no matter who the fuck you are,

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
But the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Real ship.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
So I mean, you know that's why I like the
original pot because I seen his his his his his,
you know, his destination and where he was going to
is his where he was you know it was headed
and ship.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Most of the time I have artists on here that
he they even have a relationship with Tupac from the beginning,
like meaning like the Digital Underground days, the Oakland days,
and then we have people that separate that have been
on that only knows that death Row tupac Right, real
quick before I go to the next question, can you
can you describe in your opinion I'm talking about what

(01:17:19):
was the difference between between each.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
The difference was like he was more focused on on
the world.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
Opposed to focused on you know, this beef he just
got into because he got shot and all of that
ship and you know what I'm saying, that altered his
uh saying.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
The original was focused on the world, and the death
Roll one was focused on the beef. Yeah, okay, I
mean in general, Leig just be honest. He got shot, Yeah,
shot to be killed and he survived it. That's gonna
change anybody, man. I agree, that's gonna change.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
That's traumatic that there's a lot of slim I want
to get into that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
You know, I want to say, you know, little seas.
You know, if you see this interview and you're listening
brouh when you you know, we do need to talk.
You know what I'm saying. I remember, you know, in
the middle of the ship, in the middle of the
beef I was in. I was at a club in
New York and I was talking to Alan Ivison and
Ship and black Robe came up and told me Little

(01:18:20):
Sea's need to wanted to holler at me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
And I was still mad because PoCA got shot, you know,
and I was I was hot Dad got shot? Yeah, okay, good.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
After the elevator, Yeah, after quiet, I was hot, you know,
because he had just told me the whole thing happened
and all that ship and I seen it dan his
head and I was still fucking hot.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
You know what I'm saying, Like, how the fuck you
come out here and get shot?

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
You know what I'm saying. So but so Little Seeds
was like, you know, tell Spikes I want to holler
at him. And I was like, you know, man, fuck
that nigga. I don't need to go over there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Bruh.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
You know what I'm saying, because I was hot, but
you know, uh probably need to have that rank pimping
real spit.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Yeah nah, yeah for sure, go connect. Okay, now bring
the other one Me against the world or mcavelly.

Speaker 5 (01:19:08):
Is that uh ship you leading the Witness? I can't
I can't shoo between that firepop Okay, well fucking uh.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Both grade albums.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
Shared so many tears video I was I was me
and forty was in that video. MHM Pack was in jail,
I think. So we had the Double come through and
Ship motherfucker, you know, and I was, I know, I
was really fucked up towards to do when he came
in there because I was mad because my hommie was
locked up and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Ship, who the Double?

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Come on, you're found nigga?

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
You mean the Double you was? I was like, who
is you?

Speaker 7 (01:19:56):
Nigga?

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
You you you know he was hiring from.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Your own team?

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
How you just gonna come in here looking like my nigga?
Man up out of here? But I was hired. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
We ended up being cool though, we straight now, you
know what I'm saying. I was just kind of like, man,
you know it's nigga, ain't pack nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
You know what I'm saying. Back up, I'm curious for
this one Method Man or Red Man.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Ship Man. Hell no, we got a drink both of those.
My homeboy, me and Meth got the song. Me and
Red Man got the song with Men with m c
A that ship slapped.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
You know, we always been cool with them cast We
never you know, had no disagreements or nothing. I've been
knowing that I've been knowing her for years. Last time
I seen red Man was in the airport. I passed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
We chopped it up for a minute, shook hands, and
we was both on in the rush. You know what
I'm saying. But yeah, man, that was my truth.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Brother, Little minutes society or boys in the hood.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Men, it's in society because you're tied to minute society.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Yeah, she was dimming Park beat the nigg up too, right, Yeah? Yeah,
I was kind of you see how I scatuated into that.
I was, I kind of you was there when that
kind of gasted up right?

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Count in the hell.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
He was like, don't get them.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
I think they was gonna be at the video though,
But if I knew that there was gonna be there,
I wouldn't have been saying all that ship because Pop
was like, I'm gonna beat thing, motherfucking ass. And I
was like, you ain't gonna do nothing, nigga. I was like,
what you gonna do, nig You ain't gonna do that, nigga.
What you gonna do? He was like, I'm gonna beat
the ass. Watch I'm gonna fuck the niggas up.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
And I was like, you ain't work in the paper.

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
They Yeah, He slapped the paper on my knees soon
as I got in the car, and I was drunk
his head and I was like, what.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
The young ages. That was the first Internet. It was
called the paper up the newspaper. You had to actually read. Now,
go on your phone to the front of your poor
actually pick up the paper and actually picked up the
paper and read it. And he was Megan all first Internet.
He was supposed to be in minister society.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
He was.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
Yeah, I was supposed to be old Dog. You know,
I can see when they told us this at the video.
I was gonna be old Dog. I had the script
and everything. My manager at the time didn't follow through
with the fucking ship, so I ended up firing his ass.
Fire this funk out of that, nigga. You know what
I'm saying, Chill the mother ass. Somebody here fucked up

(01:22:24):
a major motion picture movie. Roll, nigga, he's still.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Again. You know, I had to script and everything.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
I'm sitting there reading the script and all of that
ship waiting.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
On the call and all that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
That ain't no fibino call because this motherfucker ain't called nobody.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
You still got the stocking cap on, just like old
dog did.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Yeah, you know that's how That's how we was rocking.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
You know what I'm saying, Niggas at the motherfucking braids
and ship I was tripping like, oh ship, the braids
that looked like me on that mother may Why you got.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Bread smoke an old school blunt, just got hash in it.
Oh hell yeah, come on, get your lungs, Get your
lungs back to.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
The day smoke all day nineties. I ain't gonna lie you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
You in twenty twenty six like a motherfucker. By the way,
I've been watching this whole time. You were surgical. How
the fuck you roll? And you got the canoe to
and at the end, you know that makes that hit
a shotgun?

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Yeah, you know you gotta hit. Make sure that ship
hit right. Sometime you breaking apart at the end. You
gotta roll it right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Some skills together, man, you know what I'm saying. Everybody
gotta get that roller skills up. You know what I'm saying.
You smoke right, And.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
We don't have to chalkboard, right? Do we have to chalkboard?
But you want to do to use the computer because
I want them to after this, I want them to
play a game I want him to name people from
the Bay and the name people for Miami Day, and
let's see who wins that game in New York. Nah,
you know with Trump, y'all. You know what I'm saying.

(01:23:59):
But Trump, you you know what I mean? Okay, nixt
hustle or easy? Damn you You and you were having
a nigga out here twisted like Licorice. I told you
just to call here and dominican him just to make
sure that the guests drink.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Easy or some piece of both. We had this game
we used to play and ship.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
And and uh, every time I seen him, I give
him a hug and I tap his back to see
if he had his bulletproof vest on the ship.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Yeah, and he'll do the same, you know what I'm saying.
He tap my bag and then we look.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Check.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
I've never heard what Every time I say, I'm like,
what's up? You got that? Motherfucker?

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
You gotta Did you have an album covered with a vessel?

Speaker 4 (01:24:54):
Yeah, that's my style. It's like I would have worn
one to day. But I don't want motherfuckers to think,
you know, somebody trying to get that or nothing. You
know what I'm saying. So I just you know, it's
a style for me, you know what I'm saying. I
like wearing that ship. You know, I don't give fuck
with motherfuckers. Oh he's just wearing it because of style.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Yes, I am.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
The shit looks dope. He messes with my oozy motherfucker.
That's what my chopper, nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
It will save you. I wasn't ready you ever met
Nipsey or any interaction with Nipsey. Nah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
You know what? But I think it was crazy is
that my.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
My baby mama was in the studio one day and
she knew who he was, and she was with my
daughter and my daughter was like maybe three, and he
took a picture with my daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
That was cool, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
So I got a picture with him my daughter, and
I show my daughter all the time, like you know
what this is. Know, she's she's twelve now. She was
three then, yeah, she was like three year old. But
it was crazy, you know, so hell yeah, shout out
to Nipsey though. You know that was some good ship.
You know, it's it's just something you got. You can't
be fucked up to your fans, bro, All these niggas

(01:25:55):
out here doing stupid ass ship fucked up ship to
your fans.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Nigga. You need to be small, nigga. I don't give
fuck who you is.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
If you fucked up to your fans, you ain't shit nigga,
because you wouldn't be shipped without their motherfuckers. I love
all my fans, and my fans some crazy motherfuckers, you
know what I'm saying, and and and and for life.
If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't be here, you
know what I'm saying. And niggas need to realize that
if you're an artist or any type of movie we actor,
I'm give fuck who you is. If you can't respect
your fans, nigga, fuck you bro straight up.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Before we go, because he's saying crazy motherfuckers. You made
me think of uh insane clownpos You ever performed at
the Gathering of the Jugglers, the Insane clown Posey Festival?

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
Yeah you have?

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
You said, I having performed there?

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
I don't think so that I might have you for that.
You know, they they they they fuck with me tough.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
I just I'm tripping like we should have been into
the song together anything, but because I've been hearing a
lot about you know, they like your music. A lot
of people come to me and say, you know the
same clown possibly fuck with Spice one and ship.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
And I'm like, that's crazy. So maybe I need to
tell into that ship. You know you should and if
you go, just happ into them warning it's a fuss.
It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. But yes, I think everybody
I liked it was crazy. It's like he jumping around
and ship.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Like it's an experience already.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Go out spinning kicks. Some motherfuckers accidents.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
They they like you let's put it that way, Oh ship,
what well?

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
I just put my best do maybe maybe my hel
with my motorcycle. The more they throw it more than
the next one. The medicine boys n w A.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
Public Enemy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
N w A.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
I kind of want to take a shot because I
love Public Enemy too. Chuck D's now we gotta take
a shot, becau. Chuck D is like, you know, a
mentor to me, Like I look at Chuck Chuck D.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Like that's the whole shot. Yeah, it's still something that's
my niggas. So he's gonna make sure I drink that ship.
He was make sure you get your money.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
Let me let me, don't get trunk and get drunk.
Let me ask you something, right and listen, is this
is this is this is not scripted. This is this
is really nothing here scripted. I mean what I'm saying
is I just really thought, guys, really just thought about this, right,
because you know, since this Kendrick thing has been going on,

(01:28:35):
lots of people have been posting their old pictures of Kendrick.
D posted an old picture of Kendrick which would have
been it would have went over five, but quotes that
they're not like us because they automatically make him an
enemy of Drinke.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
No, I don't think. Let me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Let me let me refer the question if you of
court and you have some type of relationship with Drake
and your court, they're not.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Like, like you're so happy's so happy to cipher sounds,
But what do you mean cyber sounds?

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Cipher sounds.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Supposedly, his his assistant posted a track, I mean a
picture of him in Canada and put not like Us
as the song on the post and it's supposed to
forty hit up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Not very happy and you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Got your mad I've been.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
So yeah. I think there's two ways.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
I mean in Switzerland. There's two ways to take that.
Take the stance.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
You could be on the on the team Kendrick and
be against Drake or on the team Kendrick and before
hip hops.

Speaker 7 (01:29:48):
Not to mean that you're against Drake. The way you
just say that was very politically get right. I'm just saying,
like you got you can't be none of the AO shot.
You can't be mad at what Kendrick's doing unifying people.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying this, But he's unifying.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
People under a war song. No, but but he's unifying people.
He's bringing lyrics back into the game.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Yeah, but the lyrics I'm not saying about the people.
I'm not saying about what you're saying. You're saying is correct.
I'm saying if I'm a person down with Drake's camp
and I'm down with.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Drake's team, mean, am I taking it personal to see Lebron?

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
They're not like us?

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Yes? Why am I taking that personal relationships with them?
So that's yeah, Yeah, he might. He might take it
a little personal, Like you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
See somebody dancing to a disrecord against you?

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
Against you? Yeah, I mean, you know, but.

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
If you got any hip hop experience, then it's kind
of like you just got to take that ship how
it goes, man, because you know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Even even with now, but now it's different though, Yeah,
it's different with you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
It's different now. That was like personal personal crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
There's layers I'm saying, there's layers to this situation. Yeah,
it ain't as simple as we want to make it. Yeah, listen,
I know at that club when that song come on, cold.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Face face, you did you. I see what you're saying,
bro face, because if somebody feel me, oh now I'm
on slopside.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Like like like I'm like, okay, Pervan Perman example, I
hate what you're saying. Look eating quick, quick.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Eating quick. That's what my nigging something crazy y bro
like that, and everybody know that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
The opposite of blood and crypts this is this almost
seems like a blood and criped.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Beef tweeting this ship. Come on there and go see eight.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Okay, you're super neutral and didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Quick nigga coming through comingo. I'm like he's like, now
come through. I'm like over here. He's like I can't
come over here, Like you gotta go down and go
a few streets down and there. I'm like I'm just
gonna walk a few streets down, this streets down and
they come pick me up. I'm coming from the Bato.

(01:32:17):
You know what I'm saying. So I'm like, hey, you know,
but but but when they play the DJ quick this
to eight, I'm yeah, because both those my niggas, I
don't know what to do. I'm like, hey, I love

(01:32:38):
y'all niggas. Man, I like to say, watch you might
drink a little too much. And then you know, I'm
at the house. Quick. I'm in Sacramento. Quick, do a
show and sack and I'll hit him up.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
I'm like, nigga, come through the house if you ain't
doing ship after the show, if you need someone to
come come chill ship.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
I'm here. I got a little Backtor's pattern by myself.
You know what I'm saying. He come through there. You
know what I'm saying. We have a little party and
that motherfucker. You know, I got the plaque, sit up
an eight quick, look at the pact. He's like, man

(01:33:19):
up here, don't touch my plaque out it better be
here when you leave. Mother be in the garbage, burnt
up and nothing. Mother, you my nigga. But y'all stopped
that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
Just stop just chilling.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
I always, you know, I always try to.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
I don't know why, but I will get I will
try to not mediate, but I get in the minty
with that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
I remember when when you know what's your piece?

Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
Yeah, nigga, See if I seen back in the day,
if I seen like dazz of corrupt, if they had
an argument or disagreement or something with each other, I'll
be like, Yeah, I'll be like, man, come on, y'all,
y'all my favorite rap rap duo like don't do it,
bro like y'all like my life. I listen to you
niggas all the time. I'm dog pound nigga. I'm dog pound,

(01:34:03):
don't do it, you know what I'm saying. So, but
that's how far we go back, though, you know what
I'm saying. Like, you know, I'm a Bay Area nigga
that that come from the Bay and kick it in
La with the cribs and the bloods.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
I never had no problem with neither one of them,
you know what I'm saying, Not the Bloods or the cribs.
Every time I touched down there was always loved from
watching to Compton to wherever, you know, the to Inglewoods
or Piruse. It was always what's up, spice? You know
what I'm saying? What's popping?

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
I can have as much jewelry on me as I
got on or whatever the fuck I'm I ain't nobody
tripping on shit.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
I throw a few niggas in the back I threw
I go, I go through, Watch throw a few niggas
in the back of the truck. I'm laughing at the
laughing with the little niggas. Y'all got y'all pack, you
got your banger on your nigga. They're like, yeah, nigga,
we we strapped spies.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
I'm like, okay, we're.

Speaker 4 (01:34:51):
Riding, riding through and we round up to motherfucking to
the set of Baby Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
The niggas and Baby Boy that jump Jody, that's stim niggas.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
In the movie in the movie. Man, Okay, what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
How How does I just ride up and and and
and and John single Too walked up to him and
said I want to be in a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
And they said yeah, and they was in it. Wow,
speak of the John singer. Yes, I'm like, uh yeah,
ice Cube or Scarface.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Got drink to the pa.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Scarface my cousin, like blood cousin.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Damn. Now I see the resemblance. That's my blood cousin.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
And ice Cube is somebody I looked up to the
whole time. I tried, you know, straight up, but you
got rid of my blunt immediately. No, I'm still puffing,
still puffiny.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
Oh that's a blood Okay, Okay, okay, okay, I didn't
go like that, Okay, So I so wait a minute, listen, man,
this is this is a scarf faces hip royalty blood line.
He's okay, how how did you find out Scarfaces your cousin?
What kind of family reunion you'll have?

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Little J? Little J was prince. Yeah, we was at
the video. We was at what do you call it? Yeah,
we was.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
We was draped up, dripped out video back in the day,
you know what I'm saying. And Little J was standing
across the parking lote he was you know, when Little
Jay stare at you, you gotta kind of just be.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Like, what the fuck is here for a nigga? You know,
like what this need? And I was like what I
was like what I do? He said, come here, you know.
So I come over there and he's like, you know
who you say your king is? He said, just like that, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
And I'm like, you know, I start breaking it down
to him who my fan was. He like like you,
I think you you can to face or something, you know.
So j Prison twenty three and meter and two point
five seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
He looked at me.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
He looked at me, and he was staring at me
like dude, you kid of scar faces, you know, straight up.
And so eventually I come back to Houston because I
always go to Houston because I'm I was born in Texas.
You know, my all my family in Houston and then
Brian Texas you know, at college station, like all my
family out there in Houston. And so I go out there,
and you know, I come back and then my two
cousins come up and they're.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Like, nigga, you don't know that this is your cousin.
Were your two cousins out there for this already out there?

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
They come up with face and tell me that's their cousin.
You don't know that's your cousin? Talk about you? Yeah,
you're telling me I don't know that that face is
my cousin. Oh my god, Yo, this is crazy. I'm tellous.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
So face is like, yeah, nigga, you know, I try
to tell you. He was like little Jay was trying
to tell you, nigga, you my cousin. Yo, Yo, my
mom is your I team like this this type ship
And so I'm like, you know that close damn you
know what I'm saying, Like, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
So you know we found this out.

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
This is a couple about It's like years ago around
that time where the fucking video shop.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
I hope you all did a feature together.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Yeah, we've been working. We did that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
We did that rolling with me and Devin a dude,
and we had pack on the hook some ship. I
pipe cutting the hook saying some ship he said, my
was talking about me and something I found where he
was saying my name or some ship somewhere and put
through it in the hook and shit was dope. It's
called rolling in my webcam chips with your bitch. Jenner spoke, yes, dein.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
H I see that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
Shiit dope. You know it's it's a real smoking song.
You know, you gotta get hired to the motherfuck. It's
even on the new album. But the song with Me
and Devon a Dude, the smoking song on there with
Me and my nigga north Side, It is the hardest fuck.
You know what I'm saying, That ship is That ship
is sick. You know what I'm saying north Side of
the building. But in here, hey, it ain't easy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
That's the name of the song Me and Devin a
Dude in North Sides on a platinumotion too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Rather be loved or feared, I'll say feared. I'ma I'm
gonna get love, you know what I'm saying. But fear
it's more.

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
Like, you know, you don't want no motherfucker out here
trying to cross you, you know what I'm saying, Like
I don't give a fuck how much love you got,
a nigga, I don't need you out here trying to
cross me, Like I can't have you out here. You
know I'm kicking it with the nigga, And in the
back of your mind you like you know I'm gonna
get that nigga, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Sneaky ass snake bullshit.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
That's why I got another song on a new album
called I'd Rather eat crumbs with bums and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
Eat steaks with snakes.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
You know what I'm saying, Like these motherfuckers, it's just
such thing is a bitch ass rich nigga's mother. I
don't give a fuck how niggas tell you just because
a nigga got money don't mean here a real motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Everybody gotta really realize that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:40:07):
It's so many motherfuckers out here walking around with a
lot of money thinking they're real nigga. But you a
sucker out. You know what I'm saying, You a sucker all.
You know what I'm saying, real spit uh. And the
only reason why motherfucking across is because you're gonna spend
money to have a nigga knocked down. You can't do
it yourself, is your sucker off, you know what I'm saying.
So it's a it's a it's a difference between that
ship and motherfucker's got to realize that.

Speaker 8 (01:40:30):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
The crazy part about the game right now is that
you know he got more money, he the best rapper.
That don't make him the best motherfucking rapper because he
got more money. Nigga niggas like nigga, motherfucker get a
nigga on the stage of Wrap circles around his motherfucking ass. No, no, no, namer,
motherfucker came from from Motter the fucking clear blue sky.
Get on stage and I'll rap one of these motherfuckers

(01:40:52):
right now. I don't know who actually actually wrapped, and
a lot of his ass up, like, don't get it
fucked up. You know what I'm saying, Nigga, within your career,
if you really start sucking with a real if you
get on stage with a real rap artist, Nigga, he
with in your whole fucking career right there, just like
motherfucking just like we got going right now with motherfucking
Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
And all of that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
You know, you fucking niggas who really get down brouh.
It's a difference. So you know what I'm saying. Motherfuckers
who live, eat and ship, they slip this ship. It's
a different whole different breeding niggah. Some motherfuckers. Some motherfuckers eat.
Some motherfuckers eat pussy because they like because the girl
enjoyed it. Some motherfuckers eating because they enjoyed it. That's

(01:41:35):
the real rappers out here.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Nigga. I do this ship because I like to. This
is what I do. Broh, this is what I do.

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
I do this.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
You like to eat the pussy, That's what I do.
That's what I do.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
That's an't.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
If you don't like it, use I'm an You can't
even metaphor I can to get you niggas to understand,
this is what the funk I do.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
Like I was, I wasn't ready, but I wasn't ready.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Hey, you know, I'm a damn food so I'm gonna
spin it every time.

Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
But you know what I'm saying, I'm doggy style or
the chronic mm hmm, Damn I gotta take a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Damn yeah, y'all, bother.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
I know I can understand why people say that ship like, y'all,
I'll be killing it with that ship like, because that's
a hard decision.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
It has been easy if you have said, without no chronic,
there wouldn't be no dog Yeah you could. That's that's
the easy out. That was the easy out. But you
wanted to drink.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
I know that, But ye.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
Hes drinking on the next one.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
We know this right now.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
Corrupt, corrupt, by the way, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
I can't either sugar free or keep the sneak. Damn
dang shout out.

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
To sugar free and keep the sneak man. Y'alls man,
both of y'all niggas dope. I know all y'all music
bang that ship all.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
The time, Okay, Rap City or your over TV raps
rap City, Okay, rap City, because I think they just
had more.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
You know, it was just more.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
You know you could see different ship on their posts
that they would have a kind of like the same
program going on your MTV or Rap City would have
some different ship, you know, different artists on there that
you would see all you would always see him on MTV,
but you wouldn't see him on Rap rap City.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
That was cool.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
Okay, again, I don't write these questions, God's write them
over there, Kenjick Lamar or Drake.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Kendrick simply because Canada won't let me, simply because Canada
won't let me.

Speaker 4 (01:44:17):
Into the motherfucking country. Fuck y'all, motherfuckers. I'm gonna figure
out a way to get in. You know what I'm saying.
We're gonna be good. I'm coming through there and get
my money and ship. How you're playing because of the felonies.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
From from from from from since ninety from ninety six,
like come on, y'all. You know what I'm saying for real?

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
From ninety six, Bro, I'm gonna hold different motherfucker now,
but I can't come into y'all country. They're not like us,
not like us. To the guards that searched me and
looked at my tattoos, y'all not like us. Yeah, I'm
from California. I'm from California. I got a few felonies

(01:44:55):
and bullet holes and tattoos. But that don't mean I'm
gonna come to your country and tear your country. Man,
Get up out of here. Bro, came to see why
I was coming to see my son. You know what
I'm saying, y'all tripping?

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Was it ready for the answer. They're not like us.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
They not like us.

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
Drake Oder Ruler or JACKA Jacket Go with Jacket, man,
that's that I liked. I like Jacket's music. Plus, you know,
you know he's part of I felt like he was
a part of my click because he was a part
of Sea Sea Bowl Click and all of that. You
know what I'm saying, Me and Sea Bow go back.

(01:45:35):
It's just you know that right there, just just set
it off. That's my old school homie, you know, as
far as far as they whole group and everything jacket
for show. Okay, last one before we get into the
last one, rest in peace forty or be legit. M
gotta take a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
Those both of my big cut.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
Hmm, the last one and did we go go into
the regular interviews?

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
Okay, Loyalty or respect.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
Loyalty because without you know, without without loyalty, ain't no respect.
You can't have you know, you got to have respect
to have loyalty to a motherfucker. So I'll rather have
a motherfucker loyalty because loyalty don't come with it without respect.
Say that time, I'm sorry. Loyalty don't come without respect.

(01:46:36):
You got to respect somebody to be loyal to him.
So I choose loyalty because you're gonna give both of
those in one anyway. You know, if a motherfucking loyalty you,
they got to respect you straight up, because you know
all that if motherfucker you can peep disrespect, Loyalty is.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
Hitting, you know what I'm saying. Got to show you
some loyalty. You can high loyal. You could act like you're.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Loyal, not be you know what I'm saying, same thing,
but I just you know, I feel like you have
to have respect to, you know, be loyal to a
matter of fact, so I would choose lawyers.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
I listen, you don't have to take a shot. I'm
taking a shot because your answer was fucking you don't
have to. I mean, I'm taking a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
I'm taking a drink. I'm taking So I got the
Hennessy bottle tattoo right here, so you know you need
that sponsorship.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
So jealousy got me strapped. Do you understand how long
ago you made that record? You can drop that record
right now to this day today, look at me, look
at me today, You drop that today. It's all relevant

(01:47:51):
to what's happening right now. Do you understand that?

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Like, I don't know how many years.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
Ago this record came out, but you can drop it
today and you can and it's the same exact message.
Are you mad? Like it's a two part question, because
when you make a record, you try to solve a problem,
right yeah, So on one hand, I'm asking you, are
you mad because your message is still the same like

(01:48:19):
throughout these years?

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Or are you mad?

Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
Because the I'm not saying you mad, but what I'm
saying is, are you bugging that the same exact message
that you related those many years ago circumstances, it's the
same circumstances right now.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Yeah, because I feel like we ain't learned shit. It's like, damn,
you know what I'm saying, Like pock Am Biggie is dead.
That should have taught motherfuckers to do something about that
from the jump.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
Like the UH.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Generation under us, I figured, you know they would.

Speaker 4 (01:48:57):
They would think, you know, damn pocking Biggie eyed over
that ship and them niggas was out there getting money.
Like the intelligent part of the generation under US. I
would think, Okay, we've seen them niggas get money, like
and then they died like too soon, like they was
getting money, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
What if they didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:49:13):
You know, I'm gonna think ahead and be like, you
know what if I get money like that, I'm gonna
do this.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
But they didn't. It just got worse. That's what's fucked up.

Speaker 4 (01:49:24):
Like, you know, niggas got to dieing like just because
they because they get on the motherfucking they go to
UH to he take some pictures or show that they
on Facebook somewhere with all that Joel's on or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Yeah, they yapped up, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
Right there, like next thing, you know, they somebody that
came through and killed them for the for the for
the ship. Uh, and they was trying to give it
to them anyway. They just wanted to catch them get
the murder around there. They belt or catch a you know,
uh for some for some cloud and they and they
in they gang, they rapping.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Or whatever they're doing, or you know, it may have
been an initiation in it somewhere, you know what I'm saying.
Or however, the motherfucker go down. But you can't slip
like that now, you can't. You can't wear your jewelry
everywhere and go to the motherfucking uh to the to
the restaurant and take pictures and ship and go live

(01:50:16):
and ship, you know what I'm saying. But let's be honest.
Should have never been doing it anyways, you think about anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
That's that's calling attention anyway, because we come to a
generation where you don't call attention to yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
Man, the biggest d boys in my hood was driving
uh Dauphine rentals. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
When I say Dolphine rentals, I mean they got it
from a dopphend Man. They just driving that motherfucker around.
You know what I'm saying, kicking if when they want
to ride, they they ship, they be out of town.
When they riding they real ship, they be they be
in a whole different town or something. You know what
I'm saying, Like, you know, it's it's.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Rules to this ship.

Speaker 4 (01:50:52):
If you don't follow them, you'll be a victim to
the gang. You know what I'm saying, real spit like
it's I'm gonna repeat that, it's rules to this ship.
If you don't follow women, you will be a victim
of the game. Respect the game.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
But are the rules still being applied today? Are they
broadcasted today? That is the problem the rules. This generation
don't know the rules. The generations coming up don't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
Know the rules. And some of them, well there a
lot of them. They suffer the consequence and.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
By calling them rules, they think they're rebelling against rules.
They shouldn't be called rules. Even yes, there's ways to live,
so you can live. You know what I'm saying. It's like,
do one too others mother the golden rule. You know
what I'm saying, But they don't do that. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
It's like you got two types of gangsters out here.
You got the gangster, the real g you know, he
he's trying to stay under the radar. He ain't fucking
with that ship. You know what I'm saying. He didn't
got so many murders under.

Speaker 4 (01:51:56):
He trying to chill, you know what I'm saying, want
to be And then you got the other mother fucking
that's out here, like you know what motherfucker's what he doing.
I'm a I'm a I'm a Oh you need you
need this hommie here? I'm are you a rap artist?

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
Yeah? Okay, you need some jewelry and ship? Yeah? Okay,
yeah you need some you know you want to ride
that nice car and ship? I can hook that up
fail yeah here? Okay, yeah you got that homie's cool? Yeah?
What my money at that? For my money? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
You ain't got my money for real? Okay, all right,
somethings gonna happen in your ass. You got these type
of motherfuckers out here. You know it's it's it's some
ship out here that go down brouh.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
You know what I'm saying. You know, you gotta.

Speaker 4 (01:52:45):
Be able to hold your own you know if you
talking that ship, you gotta back that ship up.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
Brouh. I'm six feet maybe two hundred and thirty some pounds.
You know what I'm saying. I know how to get
down you're knocking. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, real spit.
You know it's nothing we can get out I can.

Speaker 4 (01:53:01):
I love all you niggas, but I go I catch
a fade with anybody in here in the room, and
all y'all should feel the same way.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
You know what I'm saying. Motherfucker can't be up.

Speaker 8 (01:53:13):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
You can't. You can't go in the room.

Speaker 8 (01:53:16):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
I can't go in in the boxing ring thinking you're
gonna lose no matter what the fuck you're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:53:22):
Bro, you gotta always think you're gonna win, period, you
know what I'm saying. But but but you got you
got motherfuckers out here that that really try to uh
take you for the Oakie dog, you know what I'm saying,
Try to play you and ship, So you gotta be
able to hold your own, especially if you're talking that ship.
You know what I'm saying. Uh, if you not about that,
then don't talk about that. If I'm with somebody and

(01:53:44):
they kicking and they tell me, hey, just like you said, Hey, man,
you know I ain't I'm good on that ship. You
know my nigga ain't with that ship though, but I am. No,
I'm with it though, what is it? You know what
I'm saying. So it ain't no, it ain't no. I
got to, like I said, I put the one on
the end of my linad because sometimes I had to
rock Aloan and I and I had to you know,

(01:54:05):
I had to, you know, do whatever I had to do,

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
So I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:54:10):
With all of that said, man, you know it's it's
a lot of ship out here you got to deal
with as an artist when it comes to motherfuckers even
trying to extort you when doing weird ass ship.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):

Speaker 4 (01:54:22):
Contracts you side, you know, you got this motherfucker they like,
you know, hey, you know we're gonna sign him over
here and shit, and this nigga gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
This, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:54:31):
So, I mean, you got a lot of ship going
on out here, you know, as an artist, and then
sometimes you don't even get then you don't even get
paid for your ship.

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
You know what I'm saying, but.

Speaker 4 (01:54:41):
I figure I always always, you know, I'm just a
ride of die motherfucking man, you know, and even for
my home even for my guys, for my homeboys, and ship,
you know, because I ain't never like to see nobody
get bullied and ship. Never liked that ship, you know
what I'm saying. I always was the nigga to step

(01:55:01):
in and be like, he ain't with the ship. But
I am though, you know what I'm saying. And sometime
it take that you gotta be built for this, for
this ship, you know, uh, military style nigga. You know,
some of my niggas they like, you know, I want
to go on tour with you, Spice, and I'm like, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
You know what's rock, you know, and we go out
and ship. They're like, you know, we go to do
the show and ship.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
It's two and cock in the water. We partying this ship.
We gotta catch him playing at for.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
I'm like, nigga, you better get your ass up right
here in this other fucking hotel. I got another show
to do to pick up some money. You know what
I'm saying, You better get your ass up. These niggas
come out the hotel they early and everything too. As
they come out the front door and they early throw it.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
I said, oh, well, my job, easy had a shit easy,
I said, Ye'll put your backpack on. Nigga, we lay
for the plane. You gotta run through the airport. We
had to run through the airport after you threw up
the ship, after you went earlier. This shit, we gonna
un through the airport. You just stay here, get to
the airport, nigga. It's some motherfuckers up there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
It's like some twenty year olds and ship. Y'all twenty
year old niggas. It's twenty year olds. We all lay
for the same plane. We all rudy and ship. I
took a few steps with that big ass backpack, nigga.
It was like telling it's a whole motherfucker. Tell him
I'm coming.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
Just tell him coming. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:24):
By the time I got to the fucking gate, I
thought I was gonna die. I was like, I was
telling myself, this is how you're gonna die, nigga. Trying
to get to your fucking flight to go to the show.
That's how you're gonna die. This is how spice one's
gonna die. In the airport and try to get to
his fucking flight on the plane because.

Speaker 4 (01:56:40):
Okay, hold on on sweating, hold on, hold on, hold
on one second, one second, just get me I was
board in a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
I need a pre boarding pass. So, I mean, you
know this shit is. It ain't easy, you know what
I'm saying. No easy at all. You need to know
this motherfucker real spiit. But let me ask you.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
I wonder if Heaven Got a Ghetto was inspired by you?

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:57:05):
Yeah, but what's the name of your song? That kind
of welcome to the ghetto. Welcome to the ghetto. I
got that in my notes. Yeah, it's welcome to the ghetto,
come to thegether.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
Look at that. That's what you. Yeah, I want you
to know. Welcome to the gather. All right, welcome to
the ghetto. Come on.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
I just want you to know my shit is on point.
I just got notes now because I gotta album. Be
fucking drunk.

Speaker 4 (01:57:25):
But I'm saying, living day by day in my hood
on the spot, see the same old thing, same dop things, cops,
just the average day in the streets, California. Five to
zo found a young girl dead around the corner. Mommy's
on her knees. She had tears in her eyes, and
nobody knew why the young girl had to die. People
look ashamed. It's been like this for years, bloody sheets
on her body's face, wet from my mommy's tears. She

(01:57:48):
couldn't have been over four or five. And if Mammy
was based, she would still be alive. But now the
street is a place you could be swallow by death.
Niggas taking each other's lives and going to rest in peace.
I wonder if Heaven got a get. You know, my
cousin died last year and I still can't let go
in his rhyme, but.

Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
Hold on, let me also say something, hold hold on.

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
Before we clapped, this is a double clap, and I
believe this is your brother, and I believe jay Z
has said something like this. Jay Z said, when I,
you know, take big lyrics, I'm only bicking up my
brother to me that what you just said was he took.
Let me say this. He made a concept Brenda has

(01:58:30):
a baby, and Heaven got a ghetto with that same
goddamn song. I'm sorry, like because I want to ferry
kick out. No Tupac fans are crazy. You know what
I'm saying, but I want them to know that I
know the history like I know the history. Like when
you listen to that record, I hear Brenda's got a
Baby inspired by you obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
And Brenda's Baby inspired by but you were?

Speaker 3 (01:58:58):
Did you hear not hear that verse? I don't think
Brenda's got a baby.

Speaker 4 (01:59:03):
I mean Mamma's on her knees, she had tears in
her eyes, and nobody knew why the young girl had
to die. People look ashamed, but like this for years,
bloody sheets on the body, face wet from my mama's tears.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):

Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
It's similar, right, because they said that Brenda's Gonna Baby
was inspired by a specific person.

Speaker 3 (01:59:20):
Yeah, I'm saying that spark I'm saying from from his
record inspired him to get his own babe, his which
is hip hop. Yeah, which he's inspiring everything. But but
I would if Pop was alive, I would think would
say I got both of those ideas from him.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
I can see that. I can well he would call
me and CO would call me if he like I
took your.

Speaker 3 (01:59:45):
And left Guy's friends, tell me like I took your ship, nigga,
I'll be like, what you know what I'm saying, nigga
when you said, I remember he called me specifically when you.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
Said as nigga eater.

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
Wait that specifically, I got two bigs, bitch, two big
pits of color, my.

Speaker 4 (02:00:09):
Bitch, nigga eaters. And I was like, but he got
it from from from my song off from one of
my fucking song I can't even remember. But he called
me and he told me like I took this ship.
I got so many songs though, man, Like I said,
I got so much ship. I want I need somebody

(02:00:30):
to check. I need a challenge because I need to
know how many who got the most songs on the internet,
Which rapper got the most songs on the internet right now?

Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
Like, because I got a lot of ship on that motherfucker.
Like I also heard you.

Speaker 3 (02:00:43):
Let me change it up just for a second. I'm
gonna go back to that. Say that, like about Tupac documentary,
right and you said, you know the only thing that
kind of makes or maybe it's the Tubac movie you took, mam.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
He was like, that makes it right? Is that pot
you used to listen to my ship all day? Yeah?
That was crazy, Like he said, listen to you all day.

Speaker 4 (02:01:08):
Yeah, because any motherfuckers is telling me, you know, uh,
Pip jumped in the car and uh, dude didn't like
hip hop music. I was watching some interview and and
somebody was like, man, they were sitting in the car
with with with Hazing Hayes and Jack or whatever and
and uh uh and and they was and and pack
was finish, get in the car and hasan Jack didn't

(02:01:29):
like hip hop music or uh weed and ship and
and and he said pot hopped in the car and
they put in strap.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
On the side and fired up. Dude said he didn't
want to get out there. He said he wanted to
get out the car. After that. I can't remember who
it was when I seen the interview, and.

Speaker 3 (02:01:49):
It was funny as hell because it was, you know,
just just just that's that's popped my side.

Speaker 2 (02:01:54):
That was his ship play.

Speaker 3 (02:01:58):
He's good, he's good.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
To pac will play Strap on the side back to back.

Speaker 4 (02:02:01):
We was in court in the courthouse, parked in the
parking lot playing Trapped out.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
Of the house case Yeah, okay, played it loud as fun.

Speaker 4 (02:02:10):
Just I'm like, you know, we in the uh courthouse
parking lot, right, you know, I'm telling you know, Jo,
you were.

Speaker 3 (02:02:18):
Fun turned it out thinking turned it out time turn
that ship up me because it was known that this
is like a like an in the street kind of
like story that you were like Pok's goon and Park
was supposed to be a goon, Like so how does
that work?

Speaker 2 (02:02:35):
It was like I was, you know, even when we
was like and I you know, seventeen eighteen, maybe I
think I was.

Speaker 4 (02:02:44):
I was, I was twenty. He was what was nineteen?
Like his birthday was was just last month? Yeah, I
was kids my birthday next month.

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
You know what I'm saying. So we you know, here
a Gemini and you I'm a cancer, okay, and I'm like,
we're right next.

Speaker 8 (02:03:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
His birthday was just on the sixteenth minus on the
second of July. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:03:08):
Seeing the shop of that, a shop of that real spit.
Happy birthday, motherfucker show look cancer and Gemi. Gemini always
kick it, you know what I'm saying. Without a lot
of Geminis don't get along with motherfuckers. Only they get
along with be the cancer. It's true, we rock out,
you know what I'm saying. D J is a Gemini

(02:03:30):
package Gemini like crazy with the rock with me and
Ship like but we see, we see what it is.
You know, Ship, it's all love. Like I remember some
some motherfuckers. You just you just when you were cancer,
You just you were chill, nigga. You just went to
sit back and wait fer cancer crazy man?

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
When when? But but we go crazy when motherfuckers least expected.

Speaker 3 (02:04:04):
Man, that's going crazy. They'll be expecting for it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
We've been cooking, Gemini, be cracking the funk up.

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
Like.

Speaker 3 (02:04:18):
Understand the answer. We're like, okay, we see it. Yeah,
ok Ship, you know we already established she did three
months in La County. But this is something that there's
a deep question for me. You said that you and
Park one time you got together after he had got

(02:04:44):
shot in New York. Yeah, and he described me the situation.
And then he told you at one point after he
got shot, he lit a blunt. Yeah, and he said
I wanted to die high. He wanted to die high, Ship,

(02:05:06):
And you said you wrote a song about that.

Speaker 2 (02:05:10):
Yeah, I got a song called I Want to Die High.
Put a song.

Speaker 3 (02:05:16):
Vast majority of people know that that I want to
Die High song is about this.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
Two box situation. Yeah, they do know they.

Speaker 4 (02:05:24):
Should because at the beginning of the song is it
starts off with me saying that, like with me saying it,
you know, he said he wanted to die high, you know,
and then it come out, you know, the song it's
like some real laid back ship. Though it's a dope
ass track. Man, I love a song, definitely. It's out now.
You can go check it out now. Yeah, it was

(02:05:46):
just crazy when he's saying that. I didn't understand what he.

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
Was in California talking about this.

Speaker 4 (02:05:51):
He came and picked me up after I got out
of jail because he was still tripping. Because the first
thing he was talking about, he said, and I just
did two albums with a fuck was you at? And
I said, I was in La I was in the county.
And then he said, I'm coming to get you. And
he came through the uh, the Mandrion and next to
the House of.

Speaker 2 (02:06:11):
Blues right there.

Speaker 4 (02:06:12):
Okay, he came swoop me up there and he had
the Bentley outside convertible and ship and he was like, nigga,
you're gonna show you. The Bentley came out there. I've
seen the balance like that shit dope, you know, and
you know, he had this band doanna all. So I
didn't see nothing, you know, driving and ship and next thing,
you know, motherfucker, uh just riding it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:28):
You know. He got the top down and he like,
you know this this is my ship. Man.

Speaker 4 (02:06:34):
We get to his house and uh whereas I guess
where was melable? And Mom's at the top of the stairs.
Bennie up the top of the stairs and she like
waving down and he said, and he said, I'm not
making this ship up.

Speaker 2 (02:06:48):
You know, I swear to guy on my mama's grave,

Speaker 4 (02:06:51):
Pack was like, you know, he said, Mama, if anything
happened to me, this is my nigga right here. This
is some shit I ain't just making. I'm not lying,
you know, I'm not making that ship up. My nigga
said that to Feoenie, said that to his mama, said Mama,
if anything ever happened to me, this is my nigga
right here. And I was like, what's up, a feenie,

(02:07:13):
what was happening? And he said, Mama, make us some sandwichees.

Speaker 1 (02:07:20):
So what do you just for anybody? I mean, I
know what you mean by it, but to paint it
even simpler. What do you think he meant by that
by telling her that, like, if you need if you
if you need a real nigga around you, if something
happened to me, then then this is him.

Speaker 2 (02:07:36):
You could trust him, trust him right basically, you know
what I'm saying. And that meant a lie to me
when he told his mama dad, so a mean a
lot to anybody. Yeah, So he like, man, let's let's
go back here and smoke.

Speaker 4 (02:07:50):
So we go back and we go into the He
had like a little room back there and shit in
the back of the connected to the house and ship.

Speaker 2 (02:07:57):
It was on the beach. It was a nice spot
to the beach and ship backyard and the beach type shit.

Speaker 4 (02:08:03):
You know what I'm saying. With the with the outer
out room and ship. You know, he got a pile
of weed on the table with ship, and we we
started rolling and smoking up and then and then I'm
looking at it and I'm like, you know, I'm like,
what happened?

Speaker 3 (02:08:15):
You know what I'm saying. He was like, man, said,
what happened? He told myrow incident in New York.

Speaker 4 (02:08:20):
Yeah, okay, And he was like and then he took
his bandanna off and he had a dent in his
head right there, and that wasn't there before. And and
when when I seen that, I was just like, man,
hell naw, I said, you went out there and and
and came back like that, my nigga, So how you
go out there and come back like that?

Speaker 2 (02:08:41):
That was my first question, Like, man, you know how
you going that? What the fuck? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:08:46):
He was like, man, I went through the motherfucking hotel,
he said. Niggas was looking over newspapers and ship like that.

Speaker 3 (02:08:51):
You know what I'm saying, studio, not the hotel, a
hotel like wasard it connected to a hotel or so
of course, just like well so it looked like the hotels.

Speaker 2 (02:09:02):
But anyway, it's motherfuckers at the bottom of this.

Speaker 3 (02:09:07):
I saw that interview where you said that, right, yeah,
And I've been a squad studio and it's crazy been
a quad studio recently. So the people they talk about
was actually the security guard. They were scared to death.
They had probably saying nothing. I mean, when I saw
the interview, did I love the security of the building
had nothing to do with that.

Speaker 2 (02:09:30):
Kind of that's crazy because I.

Speaker 3 (02:09:33):
Wanted to address this when I when I kept seeing
these interviews with you, always wanted to address and by
the way, I'm outside looking in, it's the inside of
looking at it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:41):
This is your perspective on it. You're you're sick. Big
had nothing to do with that. Yeah, and I never
thought it did either, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:09:51):
I didn't know what the fuck was going on because
I just felt like they shouldn't. They knew who's who
did them? Niggas was down there, like.

Speaker 2 (02:09:58):
You know, like you know they this y'all ship, Like
how y'all didn't know that niggas was downstairs. Let me
let me just say this.

Speaker 3 (02:10:04):
Let me just say this again. It's the outside that's
looking in. That's the inside of us looking at From
what I heard, I have no factual proof Park was
attracted to the unattracted, not straight you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (02:10:23):
People that and he kept affiliateating himself with people that was.

Speaker 3 (02:10:29):
They was telling me that too, and Big from what
I know because I was I wasn't around with Tupac,
I was around after so before what I know, Big
was telling them. So all the reactions that he he
he kind of like took was was reactions of kind
of like I told you so. So, I told you so,

(02:10:51):
Mody look the same exact way us. You shouldn't have
walked in that room. It's probably the same exact reaction.
But from what I know now, because I got no stretch,
I know Tresh, Yeah, I know everybody that, like I
mean from from my side, from from the East coast,
and that's what I gather from it.

Speaker 2 (02:11:11):
Now. I could be wrong. No, you you're completely right.
But but but but the thing is when you're dealing
with the mind of a crazy nigga though yeah, no
one knew at that time. You know what I'm saying,
like that nigga was crazy, like when he when he
needed to be, and so the crazy kicked in. You know,

(02:11:33):
we all crazy when we need to be.

Speaker 3 (02:11:34):
So that nigga, the crazy kick never accused you seven number,
That's what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 2 (02:11:41):
He never would.

Speaker 4 (02:11:42):
But but the crazy kicks in, like you know, if
a motherfucker gets shot, you see, you know I've been
shot before and.

Speaker 2 (02:11:49):
I didn't, don't you know, Look, the crazy kick in, like.

Speaker 3 (02:11:53):
Anybody start blaming everyone. People know what it might have been.
You Like, wait a minute, I was in Kansas, like
you know.

Speaker 4 (02:12:04):
What I'm saying, like you you can't shoot him, crazy
nigga and he lives. He don't think everybody did it,
so you know, it was kind of like everybody trying
to say, hey, you know, he didn't have to do it,
like he didn't have to do it. No, No, it
wasn't him, not you know, but this nigga only one,
Like fuck, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:12:20):
So it was kind of hard trying to, you know,
break it down, like say, hey, I don't think he
had another door. That's he did, motherfucker? Did you know
what I'm saying. So it's you ever seen the funk
Flex footage?

Speaker 3 (02:12:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:12:36):
I never see that, hey man, And.

Speaker 4 (02:12:41):
It was fucked up because I seen this ship and
I was like, man, you know I got mad at
Flex for that ship.

Speaker 3 (02:12:48):
Like, which, what did you think I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:12:50):
Which? What did you think I'm talking about?

Speaker 4 (02:12:51):
When he was crying and he was saying that that
Tupac I got for this ship, Like man, why are
you even bringing that ship up? Like leave that ship alone,
like you know what I'm saying, like basically, cut that
ship with you.

Speaker 3 (02:13:11):
I don't think I think Flex had the wrong information.
I don't think that Tupac lied. I think he was
fed the wrong information and he fed that part to
the world because I can tell, I can guarantee you
as a person that I'm not feeling no more I was,

(02:13:31):
and Big had nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:13:35):
And I could even say that my my, my whole
aura about Big, in my and my vibe about Big.
Never let me think that he had nothing to do
with that. Bro. Like I just couldn't say, you know, like, nah,
I just you know, even though what was going on

(02:13:57):
with all of the other shit, oh girl, all of that,
I was just still just like, man, you know, nah, nah,
he more of a he, more of a he more
wanted us than than that, though, Bro, he ain't gonna
be down like that.

Speaker 3 (02:14:12):
And then you know, it's crazy because later on in life,
you know where it came on number one West Coast Market,
Bay Area, Man, Yeah, you know, we fuck with you though, Like,
and I always wanted to say, like, say the story

(02:14:32):
because obviously I wasn't there at that time when with
Park Big or that, I wasn't there. But from all
the information that I gathered and all the information to me,
Pap was a New York guy moved to Baltimore, then

(02:14:53):
moved to Oakland and then moved to la And by
the way, this it makes him like, I don't want
to say crazy because then that's gonna make it like simplistic.
Bit he was a genius because he mastered every market,
like every market. Like like I've been in Miami sixteen years.

(02:15:15):
I still can't say the crib correctly. I still can't
say your dog where they say dog, your dog. You know,
I was I was just sounds.

Speaker 2 (02:15:28):
I'm just.

Speaker 4 (02:15:30):
I'm trying to feel the actors that they have that
play Tupac, every actor that they have to play Tupac.

Speaker 2 (02:15:39):
It's very not convinced.

Speaker 3 (02:15:41):
You say he had a New York as he had
a New York accent.

Speaker 2 (02:15:44):
No matter what, he didn't say New York.

Speaker 4 (02:15:47):
He said New York. He talked like he's from New York. Nigga,
he talk like he's.

Speaker 2 (02:15:51):
From New York. You know what I'm saying. You continue,
he talked from the East Coast. His accent was East Coast.

Speaker 3 (02:15:57):
So every time they did a movie and the motherfucker
doing the movie playing his role had a he had
a West Coast accent. I was like, motherfuckers, y'all really
didn't know the nigga, Like, like, what the fuck though,
come on, my nigga, Like y'all didn't know the nigga.

Speaker 2 (02:16:11):
Man, he had an East Coast accent. He just he
came from the East.

Speaker 4 (02:16:15):
But but he got down with the West because he
just fell in love with the West when he touched down,
Like any motherfucker gonna do. I got to the East,
I fell in love with I fell in love with
the East before I even got there. You know, it's
it's it's the feelings, it's miltch, it's all love.

Speaker 3 (02:16:30):
But he grew up in the West.

Speaker 2 (02:16:32):
He came to the West and grew up out there
in the town where where where we where we teach game,
we're not teaching crypts and blends were teaching.

Speaker 1 (02:16:44):
And when I say grew up, I mean like your
adolescence like that. He had no grew up. They like,
he didn't grow up there. He grew up in different places,
but his adolescens where he where he became a man,
was on the west, was.

Speaker 2 (02:16:57):
On the west. He in the bay where we at,
and he around, you know, he around the black panthers
and and you know, yeah, so he around all of
this shit. But he around uh sixty nine Ville, East Oakland,
you know, all of the motherfucking the city where the
panels started. Yeah, but you don't know how motherfucker talking

(02:17:21):
what he's saying. You don't know where you're from.

Speaker 4 (02:17:24):
Even my La pineers come out there and be like,
hold on, man, I ain't fucking with child nigga. How
fuck I'm supposed to know that nigga got a thirty
thousand dollars hit out on him and that's the motherfucking
hit her.

Speaker 2 (02:17:35):
And we in the same motherfucking room. H you know,
there's some real ship. And I'm sitting up here and
telling her homie, He's like, cuts, get me out of here.
I'm like, cause you straight, while I'm in here, they
ain't gonna do nothing. You know what I'm saying. I'm
spikes one. You know what I'm saying. These my niggas,

(02:17:55):
they're not gonna do not know where I'm in here,
or they gonna tell me before they get in, you
know what I'm saying. So because still just like, man,
let me get the fun.

Speaker 3 (02:18:03):
Crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:18:04):
I didn't blame, you know, So let's go there because
it's bout you know what I'm saying, we're taking a
shot for that the shadow. I like, I don't even
know we're taking a shot for. But this fantastic mm
hmmm that stretch since you mused it to your house?
Was it stretch stretch stretch stretched from squad stretch.

Speaker 3 (02:18:26):
Live squad back in the day, So I knew stretch
before I even knew new Pot really new stretch before
before I knew pot, but Pock new stretch.

Speaker 4 (02:18:35):
And he like new stretched prior to you knowing stretch. Yeah,
we started talking. I'm like, yeah, I know stretch.

Speaker 2 (02:18:39):
How at your house?

Speaker 1 (02:18:42):
Well?

Speaker 2 (02:18:43):
He was.

Speaker 3 (02:18:43):
I had a GPS back in the days, not.

Speaker 2 (02:18:47):
This figure had navigation.

Speaker 3 (02:18:49):
I had I had a you know how you know,
I had a fan club, like a literal fan back
in the day. We would have all of this crazy
ship had no po box your box fan club. Okay, okay,
but it got to my house from the p O
bo o okay, okay, okay, yeah you superos you don't remember, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:19:07):
That first Did you ever see his first video? Man?
It like it's like us and like that yeah heartless
yeah yeah yeah, but he said that ship to me, man,
I watched that ship a million times b heartless man,
Stretch from Live Squad like I was tripping. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:19:24):
I was that ship was dupe as fun and so
you know when I when I started talking to Pack,
I just brought it.

Speaker 4 (02:19:30):
I don't know how it came up, but he was
I think he was talking about thug life or something,
and I was like, oh, I know, I know, I
know Stretch and Ship.

Speaker 2 (02:19:37):
He was like, you know Stretch. I said, like, yeah,
I talked to him and everything and shit on the phone.
That's my nigga.

Speaker 1 (02:19:41):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:19:42):
How the fuck you know Stretch like, hey, we got
mutual hallwies nigga already.

Speaker 2 (02:19:46):
Is what it is? Know him or you don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:19:49):
He's from New Jersey, Stretch from New Jersey. Stretch Stretches
from New Jersey. Oh really yeah? And pod him in
New Jersey?

Speaker 3 (02:19:59):
Oh what do trash? Probably through trash? Yeah yeah, probably
through trash tracks are cool? Motherfucker too. Man, that's my guy. Man.

Speaker 2 (02:20:07):
You know what I'm saying. I be he being cool
with me. I remember, you know, it's it's crazy to
say the talk this ship, but.

Speaker 4 (02:20:16):
Remember that it's not the Mindrean the NiCoT fat burger. Yeah,
come on, I come down into the to the butter
Hotel where the bar is right there at the Nico
Tratch is sitting there. I literally gotten a shootout brother
the night before in front of the too short fucking studio,
right I got bullet holes and ship in my coat,

(02:20:38):
you know, wearing the motherfucker. I come down and see
I come down the elevator, Bro, and Tratch sitting at
the at the bar.

Speaker 2 (02:20:46):
You know what I'm saying, I'm tripping.

Speaker 4 (02:20:49):
When I come down the elevator, I'm still just on
one like this motherfucker, I'm man and everything like man,
this motherfucker sham Like I'm tripping, Like when I get
back to the.

Speaker 2 (02:20:58):
Town, it's killings, ship killing some shit. So you know,
it's the what these not twenty three year old me?
You know what I'm saying, I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:21:06):
Tripping, like and Treck sitting at the bar and I'm like,
you know, hey, He's like, what's up, Spice.

Speaker 2 (02:21:11):
I'm like, what's up?

Speaker 4 (02:21:12):
And I'm sitting at the bar and he's like, you like,
you can tell I'm I'm I'm tripping on something. He's like, man,
you need a drink or something shit, And I'm like yeah,
you know, or this, I said, Man, I said, look
at this ship and I pulled you know, I pulled
my my coat like this, and they got bullet hole
in it.

Speaker 2 (02:21:31):
Lietle hole is it? You're like, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 4 (02:21:34):
I said, that's a bullet hole? Man, Oh bitch, you
ass niggas. You're like, well, you know what, what's what's
going on? And Ship, I'm like, man, you know, trying
to shoot out. I'll tell him the whole thing. And
ship and we sat there and got drunk his hell,
and you know, he was trying to talk me, calm
me down, He kept me, cooled me down, and Ship
just having a conversation with my nigga, and he was

(02:21:56):
just like saying, man, don't don't go back out to
go back to Oakland tripping like that. Man, go doing
that ship because you gotta you know, look where you at.
You out here with me at the hotel and we
at the Nico and you know, fucking that motherfucking TLC
over there and packed us upstairs and you know, chill out.

Speaker 2 (02:22:13):
You know what I'm saying. You you gotta good life, man,
you know, don't telling me this ship And I'm like,
they do your life away basically, Yeah, you know what
I'm saying. Something he taught you. It's my guy, bro.
You know what I'm saying. He talked telling nigga some
real ship when they need to be said. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:22:28):
I needed to hear that man, trech real. Yeah, let's
talk about hard to Kill We Meta Man.

Speaker 2 (02:22:33):
I know he's.

Speaker 3 (02:22:35):
Dipped on it earlier like that you have a record
of mathem man, but how did this actual record come about?

Speaker 2 (02:22:39):
Hard to Kill.

Speaker 3 (02:22:44):
And met the man is a hard person to get
on the record. It's not a lot of people that
say they got method Man on the It's like, you know,
like like when you when you find your yo yo.

Speaker 2 (02:22:52):
Uh. Your fans could be anybody and the best fan
is somebody who you a fan of. Pre Yeah. And
when they.

Speaker 4 (02:23:04):
Submitted the record to Jive, I told John to sign
them and give them the motherfucking money.

Speaker 2 (02:23:11):
And I know they talking about because who was on drive?

Speaker 4 (02:23:17):
It wasn't the whole w tang was there was there
was They said them they CD and they was, you know, wow,
shopping their music to you were there and they literally
gave me the CD and was like, what do you
should we should we sign these dudes.

Speaker 3 (02:23:30):
And they were shopping yeah wow, And I was like,
what the Like I looked at him stupid, like what
do you mean? Why are you asking me?

Speaker 5 (02:23:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:23:40):
Fuck yeah? What do listen to that ship you signed?
You crazy? Wait?

Speaker 3 (02:23:46):
We got to set this.

Speaker 2 (02:23:47):
This is crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:23:48):
You listened to the demo a Wu Tang clan going
to drive? Yeah, and Jive is considering and you're like, yeah,
this is obviously.

Speaker 2 (02:23:58):
Something you just sign. Know none of these mother do
no knowing from you just heard skills Like a motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (02:24:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:24:06):
I'm just like this ship is dope, Like no, hell no, yeah,
yeah you should sign them. Yeah. It was like sho
we sign yeah capital yeah? Fu Yeah how about the Fu? Yeah?
On top of that, like yeah wow. And I don't
know why didn't designed Like what are you talking? How
are you sign? Damn? But do you remember to see

(02:24:30):
those names? It was a situation. It wasn't It wasn't
very wise. It wasn't very wise. Damn they're lucky. I
can't remember they fucking days, you know, I was light
in there? What who was everywhere?

Speaker 3 (02:24:56):
Lucky?

Speaker 2 (02:24:56):
I'm a little drunk right now. Whoever they are?

Speaker 3 (02:24:59):
A n R was okay, we spoke about strap on
our side already, right, yeah, we spoke about that one.

Speaker 2 (02:25:06):
Okay, follow what my motherfucking strap. We speak on strap
on the side, We didn't speak on trapping on the side.
Strap on the side was it was like after the
after some after some ship had happened, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:25:19):
Everything we well, no we we was on Jealous got
Me strapped, and and and and all of that ship
came from from from each other because Jealous Got Me
Strapped came from one of the hummies getting jacked and
he gave this ship up and they killed him. Anyway,
So the theme for the funerals Jealous Got Me Strapped,

(02:25:41):
Pack was on that, and I did Strap on the side,
and then we did the video because the Pack was like,
we need to do a video Jealous Got Me strapped.

Speaker 2 (02:25:51):
Joh, I wasn't with it for some fucking reason. We
should have did a video of Jealous Got Me Strapped
right around strap Job.

Speaker 3 (02:25:57):
So so Pack agreed to doing a video with Jealous
copy strapped, and Job said no because of what budget
reasons because they couldn't clear.

Speaker 2 (02:26:05):
Park, not because of budget reafs, but yeah, I'm sure
it's the early park and they didn't really know. You know,
what it was was who is going? Who was about
to be bro? You know what I'm saying. And I
was just like, my nigga, don't, let's let's get this

(02:26:26):
ship cracking. But you know, it's like they don't. It's
like you don't listen to the machine. The artist is
the motherfucker making the music that people paying him listen to. Yeah,
obviously he got an ear for some ship to say
something or you know, whatever he said. You should take
it into significance. You might be able to you know, ship.

Speaker 1 (02:26:52):
Did you ever consider yourself one of the more And
I don't even like using what hardcore but more hardcore
artists at that time, because I don't think I mean,
there was artists, but you can see this against it
right you were Yeah, That's what I mean though, But
I'm saying you was pushing the envelope. You seem like
the most realistic hardcore artist at that time.

Speaker 2 (02:27:18):
I just you know, I didn't. I literally didn't give
a fuck. I was just like, I'm gonna say what
we what we how we get down out here and
and what it really is. But I'm I'm I'm gonna
keep this ship to a minimum to where they don't
really they can't siphon this ship out of thing really

(02:27:39):
part of this ship, you know what I'm saying. But
I'm I'm a spit it for real though, and and
and and so my, my, My whole twoint wasn't to
go platinum and you know, and do a radio song.
It was.

Speaker 4 (02:27:54):
It was it was more either uh, politically driven or
you know all you lists rebel type, you know, because
I wanted to talk about the street three strikes laws
and ship.

Speaker 2 (02:28:11):
You know, I'm on these street.

Speaker 4 (02:28:12):
I was out there, so I'm it's fucked up and
I've seen fucked up ship happening. So I'm like, you know,
I'm if if I gotta if I can have these
people listening, if they're listening, and I'm a seller, I'm
I'm I'm finna say this ship. If they listening, I'm
finna say, you know, talk about this these niggas, you know,
put this ship out here and say, hey, sometimes niggas

(02:28:32):
be riding around here shooting and the little girl gets
shot in the motherfucking head and these dumb ass niggas
riding around here thinking that it's cool. Like I gotta
put that out there, so motherfuckers recognize that we have
to be mediators just against the rap ship. You gotta
tag on your back is against the rapper. That's what's

(02:28:53):
gonna be there. That's that's that's what it is. But
you gotta your function in this in this game is
sometimes you gotta mediate ship. You gotta come between the
the streets and the motherfucking the industry. You gotta go
over here and Hiller at the streets and be like, hey, y'all,
can't just go over there and get down like that
brom You know what I'm saying. I'm in l a

(02:29:18):
motherfucking oh she crib here the nigga up. You know,
he like, nigga needs you to go.

Speaker 2 (02:29:24):
He tell you, mother fuckings you and shin anybody, just
you tell these motherfuckings me ain't throwing racket snoop trail, niggah.
You know. I'm like, you know, he's telling me that
some some it's some blood throwing rock sets, snoo trailer
and ship, you know what I'm saying. So it's back
in the days, yeah, okay, And he's telling me to
go down there and talk to him and go to

(02:29:45):
the young bloods. Yeah, to some bloods. You know what
I'm saying. And it's a little bane man.

Speaker 3 (02:29:52):
I'm like, I can't go down those politics.

Speaker 2 (02:29:55):
You want me to go down there and tell his
nigga he said, he he gonna listen you nigga. Don't listen.
They don't fucking listen to me.

Speaker 1 (02:30:02):
They gonna lit you tee.

Speaker 3 (02:30:03):
Nigga.

Speaker 2 (02:30:03):
Ain't nigga, you fuck you know what I'm saying. They
throwing rocks at snow chouther les. Let me go fucking
say something. Damn they came. I go down there and ship.
They sit down there, they don't share. They shive down.
I can tell the nigga sherved out and ship. They like,
you know, one nigga walk up and he's like, damn, blood,

(02:30:28):
you look like spice one blood. And I'm like, I
am like spice one. Nigga.

Speaker 3 (02:30:34):
I said, it is it's me one nigga. I said, hey,
it's me. You know what I'm saying. He said, and
then he walked back and he said, hey, that nigga
said he's spiced one blood. And the other nigga said,
he come up closer. He likes spice one.

Speaker 4 (02:30:51):
But that's him nigga. They don't call the police. Now,
I'm over here with y'all. Call the police. They they
said they was throwing rocks at snoop trailer or bottles
or something.

Speaker 3 (02:31:06):
What the fuck. But they didn't call the police. And
I'm over here to just say, hey, man, motherfucker, they
call the police.

Speaker 2 (02:31:14):
The fun out here? Can we leave? Now? Can we go?

Speaker 4 (02:31:18):
We go up the street, fire up. I said, watch
watch this motherfucker pull up. Papa rolled up. We over
there like there. I told you was h.

Speaker 2 (02:31:29):
You know, I looked thought for y'all. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:31:33):
So, but that that type of ship, even when Pack
was doing the ship with in Milwaukee with the with
the GDS that that day, that ship was crazy. Like
I guess a seven year old vice lord shot a
eight year old gangs to disciple this bike back in

(02:31:54):
the day at the show. And Pack was mad like
it was his ins or something. You know, he was
hot and the niggas mad. He just ran past me
and he tapped me on the shoulder. Hey, Lourie, the
nigga tapped me on the shoulder.

Speaker 3 (02:32:08):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (02:32:09):
He ran past and he tapped me on the shoulder
and he said, let's go. Come on. I said, you
finish go record. I said, you finish, go perform. He said,
I'm finna go fight. I'm gonna go fight. My dumb
ass pulled out the banger.

Speaker 4 (02:32:25):
He grabbed a chair I was sitting on and walked
out behind him and Ship like, okay, let's go fight,
let's go.

Speaker 2 (02:32:33):
I got a chair in a glock. Nigga.

Speaker 3 (02:32:37):
This nigga is screaming out, fuck y'all. Niggas, y'all, some
bitch ass niggas, this and that and y'all.

Speaker 2 (02:32:44):
Litle eight year old vice little killer Howard went killing
seven year old against disciple of Howard Ship in Milwaukee,
and I'm like, you know what are you doing? Like y'all,
we're gonna die. We're gonna die tonight, excuse me not
to night.

Speaker 5 (02:33:02):
And you know.

Speaker 2 (02:33:04):
That shows you popcard though. Man, Yeah, he was mad
as fuck, but that that they try to kill us,
try to kill a motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (02:33:15):
But they felt us at the end. On the end,
you know what I'm saying. We was ready to doctor
that ship. They kind of just let it go, like okay,
all right, all right, we was gonna kill y'all, but
we are you right, you kind of right. We shouldn't
let that happen, you know what I'm saying. But yeah,
you know when this is, this is the I feel

(02:33:36):
that as a gangster rap artist, this is the type
of ship that you you and you have you do.

Speaker 2 (02:33:43):
You got to you getting them, you.

Speaker 4 (02:33:45):
Mediating Chris ship between clips and Crypts and Bloods and
whoever respect your music and you do gangster raps. So
all of the gangsters you they mostly respect your ship
from the from the uh motherfucking your cousa all the
way to the to the mafia, you know what I'm saying,
to the to the to the to the Mexican mafia,

(02:34:06):
all of that ship. Like and I know this from
I'm not just talking. I know this from experience. I've
been there. I've been in the in the county. Like
I said, uh, essay, it's like, oh, we know it
was you. We thought it was you, so as we
should have jumped your ass mother.

Speaker 2 (02:34:20):
Cocker because you was black. You said, yeah that and.

Speaker 4 (02:34:30):
Because they thought I was opposer, because you know, in
l A is back then, it's different now, back in
l A back then, you couldn't just be no nigga
up in there with you know like that, because you
might get jumped.

Speaker 2 (02:34:45):
You know what I'm saying, That the Mexicans might jump you.
The fucking white boys might.

Speaker 4 (02:34:50):
Don't matter who you are, you're sitting somewhere by yourself,
you might get jumped, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:34:56):
And they just realized it was me and was like, oh, ship, okay,
I got I got my past, like you know, all
my niggas.

Speaker 4 (02:35:05):
Saying, y'all. The only reason, y'all, I'm sorry to say this,
but the reason y'all, motherfuckers any is probably y'all listening
to my ship. You're crazy motherfuckers. But you know it's
it's all love. You know, I done ran up on it.
You ever ran up on some motherfuckings some youngsters and
ship and then y'all ready to get down and they

(02:35:27):
look at you in the face.

Speaker 2 (02:35:28):
And back up.

Speaker 4 (02:35:31):
Mm hmm, like hell no, my uncle will fucking kill me.
My uncle will kill my ass if I fight you
right now, nigga, cool right, spice, what's up?

Speaker 2 (02:35:41):
Man? It's good, It's cool. You know.

Speaker 4 (02:35:44):
That's that's how you know when you got love and
respect on the streets, you know what I'm saying. And
because you because you don't fuck with O G S
and they o gs out there now and they nephews
and sons is out there. They're running up on you, yep,
and they gonna fuck their nephews. The son's up or
it's gonna be bad, bad day they do, they do
the wrong. I remember, motherfucking uh, motherfucker. I left my

(02:36:10):
ship office told thing because I was parked in the
day too long. I came out and ship. He was like,
my uncle will kill me.

Speaker 2 (02:36:20):
I gotta let your ship down. I said, who is
your uncle? He told me was uncle? Well? I said, yeah,
he'll fuck you up. Down Well, that my ship that
I know your uncle is. Let it my ship down.

Speaker 4 (02:36:32):
You know, let's talk about sugar Happy. You remember that ship, Hud.
That was the ship I we recorded that when I
was when I was out there. That was around when
it was ninety nine. That's the other one of a
seven proof type ship. You know, I'm talking about guns.
And I got the females in there singing the hook

(02:36:53):
and ship. You know, that's my style, you know what
I'm saying. I like doing ship like that. I got
triggered happy. I got one called candy Well, making females
sound like people and making chocolate sound like females and
ship like that. That's a that's a fly ship, like
some pem ship on some pimp ship. You know I'm talking,

(02:37:17):
but you know, it's just a fun style for me
to do.

Speaker 2 (02:37:20):
And and and and I feel like I do it
well and I can get motherfuckers to listen when I
do this ship. So it's all about marketing that ship. Though.

Speaker 4 (02:37:29):
You gotta have your own ship, your own fucking section
where you get down. That's how you get down, That's
what you do. You only gonna get my CD. You
don't donn get this coming out of my CD. You
want to get the study of rap.

Speaker 2 (02:37:40):
You don't wanna get this type of ship coming from
my ship anybody else? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:37:45):
Where did that come from? The Sutter Rapper?

Speaker 2 (02:37:47):
I was, Are you mad at mumbo Rapper? No, it's
not the same. Well, yeah, mumbo rapp is different because
it's a wrap come from fund rap. I think I
think I think that you you you.

Speaker 3 (02:38:00):
You visited all these motherfuckers, bro, I don't think it's
I think that they uh.

Speaker 2 (02:38:08):
The stutter wrap. I did that because I didn't want
to cast like a certain days yourself.

Speaker 4 (02:38:15):
Let me let me if I don't if I just
say this word twice and make it captain him in
this brand with the you know, instead of captain his motherfucking.

Speaker 2 (02:38:23):
Brain with R nine. You know what I'm saying. So
he got like that.

Speaker 3 (02:38:27):
It was like, was that the four do effects?

Speaker 1 (02:38:31):
Yeah, because yeah, I never thought of now, but he's
very similar in style now.

Speaker 2 (02:38:38):
He was around that around at the same time, all
of it, getting all of that ship. It was that's
because that's what was crazy. Yeah, not to take anything
away from them when I was going getting a.

Speaker 3 (02:38:49):
Gangst a gangsty. When I was doing that ship, the
h g DS, gags and Disciples love that. It's you
know what I'm saying, Like, Okay, that's that's their song.
Like I go to fucking okay the song cant get it,
get that gangs stuff. Can't get it, get that gangs stuff,

(02:39:10):
ticking that fun, can't gt get it, get it, get it, get.

Speaker 4 (02:39:12):
A gangs stuff, you know, because they gangst us, you
know what I'm saying. But you know it's it's it's
always like I'm saying, like, sometimes you had to get
in the middle of that ship and that ship was not.

Speaker 2 (02:39:29):
Wen't healthy at all. It's not healthy, you know, it's
really it's really not healthy. You know.

Speaker 4 (02:39:35):
But when when you know, when you know, uh what
you gotta do and you gotta slide some game to
some niggas, then you just got a slide game to
some niggas and help they listen, you know, And and
that's the bottom line, you know. Uh, each one teach one,
you know, it's it's hard to say when the motherfucker
the game is to be so not told.

Speaker 2 (02:39:55):
Yeah that's cool, but but each one teach one. I
think it a little be a little bit better so
we can all get money around this motherfucker. You know
what I'm coming out of him? See that.

Speaker 3 (02:40:04):
Everybody. Everybody's got pimp in everybody from that spiel is there.
But let's talk about D Boys got love for me?
Beat you in my brother, Faudy Water. Well, you know
how did this record come about? And did D Boys

(02:40:25):
have love for Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:40:26):
Well yeah they did. That's that's what that was the
cool shit about it because they they didn't even invest.
You know, niggas investor invest in your projects. Your ship
was hot, but I walk up to it, motherfucker, We
hella dope like nigga listen to this and he's like,
I'm gonna put some money into that. Wow, mhm street nigga,
Yeah all the time, film more slim, yeah, like type

(02:40:51):
and they but they but they you know, if they
if they making money selling dope and they realized they
could sell a whole different type of dope, whole different
things and you happen to be the dope and they
can do this without getting raided. Shit, why the fuck not?

Speaker 5 (02:41:15):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:41:16):
I know, motherfucker put some money into my first shit,
you know what I'm saying. Hell yeah, you know, why
the fuck not?

Speaker 1 (02:41:22):
Nigga?

Speaker 2 (02:41:23):
Who the fuck want to sit there and sell dope
for the rest of their life? I mean, you know,
you can get down or whatever. You know what I'm saying.
But I mean, shit, who ain't. It's hey, you got
things all that over? Kay? Hell no, who want them problems?
You know what I'm saying. Unless the nigga built for it,
built for that shit and don't plan on living long
or you know, having this motherfucking freedom long and shit,

(02:41:45):
or just dealing with this ship for the rest of
his life, because that's what's gonna happen. You know, if
you want when you get older, and want piece in
your life. It's one thing, you know what I'm saying,
Fuck that I'm older than I want piece in my life,
make my music.

Speaker 4 (02:41:59):
Get my money, you know. But now you know you
gotta still come with hot ship. But I feel I'm
there though even on this new album, I'm there.

Speaker 3 (02:42:08):
But the question how did that come good forty together?

Speaker 2 (02:42:13):
How did it come about? Well, I think I think
who was that.

Speaker 3 (02:42:21):
Same, same fucking same student, because that's a wow news.
It was so great back then, same same place, same place.

Speaker 2 (02:42:29):
I may pack me and forty at the at the
end of my neighborhood video, me and forty was talking
about yeah, same video at the video, same video, shoot y'all,
and well, I knew forty, but.

Speaker 4 (02:42:43):
That's what we was talking about doing it that because
he was dealing When we were surrounding the garbage can
all that ships around it.

Speaker 2 (02:42:51):
We was talking about doing it there there, like yeah,
we need to do that, do some ship because the
last one he had only talking on Sonewest when I
was forty forty he was only talking on it, so
I'm like, uh, it was it was America's nightmare. Okay, yeah,
like uh uh did you get out of line, you

(02:43:12):
got a chopping reach into my drugs and pull out
my strap.

Speaker 3 (02:43:16):
Yeah, that ship was I was he talking on on
that one while we see featured fully featured on that.

Speaker 4 (02:43:23):
Because I I just I just wanted to. I just
wanted to. I just wanted him to talk that. I
just wanted him to talk that. You know, he could
wrap it, you know cool. I just wanted to talk
that ship so bad, like talk that ship, talk that
ship about yeah, I'm just the game by the say

(02:43:43):
all that that ship.

Speaker 2 (02:43:45):
You know. I wanted him to.

Speaker 3 (02:43:46):
Say that ship so bad like going you know what
I'm saying. I wanted him to talk like that bro, like, yeah,
I'm the Game. Has some motherfucking from the like speak
that ship, say that forty.

Speaker 2 (02:43:58):
That ship was hello, dumbe to me when he said
that ship like you ain't even got a rap.

Speaker 4 (02:44:02):
Just talk and you a chilling then, you know, Hopefully
Hopefully was feeling no kind of way about it, you
know what I'm saying. But I just you know, I
was a fan, and I wanted him to do every
I wanted to catch him doing everything, you know what
I'm saying. So I didn't want to have to pay
him for talking and rapping and Ship. I didn't have enough,

(02:44:23):
no money for it. But I want him to do both.

Speaker 2 (02:44:26):
Really, But you know Ship I was. I was a
fan back in the day. Ship.

Speaker 3 (02:44:31):
I want him to talk on the air rap Ship.
So I got add But mc hammer came out. He
from your town. He might be a gangster.

Speaker 2 (02:44:47):
Oh we heard might he he did some cap. We
heard his gangster.

Speaker 3 (02:44:54):
But the world is perceiving this man as a different individual.
And hip hop, they're laughing at their.

Speaker 2 (02:45:02):
The world just hip hop. Well, because the world loved them.

Speaker 3 (02:45:05):
At the people feel at the bed at this time,
I'm not even asking you. I'm asking you to ask
the answer for your whole It's a lot of lambs
out there that don't understand the game. Okay, let's take
a shot first, real quick. Yeah, well, my shot is
mad bigger than you.

Speaker 1 (02:45:21):
I imagine the hustling side of the bay with respect, however,
like it was getting money.

Speaker 2 (02:45:26):
Like if you was a real motherfucker, if you really
got down like that.

Speaker 3 (02:45:29):
Okay, so yeah, tell us, tell us describe what happened
because Hammer is killing.

Speaker 4 (02:45:33):
Don't want everybody to know anyway, You're kind of kind
of trying to, you know, disguise that ship. You know,
if you really get down like that, you you would
really get down like that, you really kind of trying
to keep it on a slender you know what I'm saying.
On the under like as far as who Hammer was,
where he came from, Like the nigga got clown from

(02:45:55):
the He's a real Bay nigga. He's a real reputable
factor in the bad as far as in Oakland. You
know what I'm saying, He's reptible as far as you know,
don't fuck with him and his people like you know
what I'm saying, Like they like real not to fuck,
not to be fucked.

Speaker 2 (02:46:10):
With boys like for real, for real? I heard that.

Speaker 4 (02:46:14):
Yeah, and like so you know anybody, but but but real.
It just show you how real a nigga is. He
trying to promote the brighter side of life. And you
know what I'm saying, And I stood that. I understood that,
Like okay.

Speaker 3 (02:46:30):
Man, you know because this ship outside don't Yeah they
don't know, they don't. But he's not a punk. That's
that's the easier way to explain it.

Speaker 2 (02:46:41):
All The nigga got people, you know what I'm saying
he got he can make movies. He's strategic with this move.
He a real bay nigga. He a real you know,
like real, no no nonsense dude, Like a real, real
stand up type guy.

Speaker 4 (02:46:54):
Like motherfucking you see ship in black and white. You
know what I'm saying. Like but he but at the
same time, he know how to move. He trying to
you know, he's trying to move. Uh, he don't want
to be on the radar like that like that, you
know what I'm saying. Any any smart motherfucker, I ain't
tryna be on a radar like that like that. My
shit more, I don't give a fuck. You know what

(02:47:18):
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:47:18):
I don't have no whole card. Nobody does. But not
saying he do or whatever I don't. I'm not. I'm
not trying to hide shit like I'm just gonna keep
shit real. You know what I'm saying, Like from the
drummer Cus, I'm gonna say what the fuck I want
to say is but you know certain things I won't do,
Like I won't I'm not finna come out on camera

(02:47:42):
with no big ass motherfucking shotgun and AK forty seven
and shit, because I'm a motherfucking felon. I'm a real, real,
real guy. I don't I can't be seeing on camera
with no motherfucking guns and ship niggas, y'all crazy. I try,
Spice one. You know certain things you can't continue. There's

(02:48:09):
certain shits you can't do when you're in a certain
position in life, or you got more to lose than
the average motherfucker. You know what I'm saying. You can't
just sit there and and disrespect the blessings God gave you,
a disrespect your position and ship. You know what I'm saying, Like,
you gotta hout of that ship nigga and get money
and live out your life. When you get this age
that you know, uh fifty, you get in your fifties,

(02:48:32):
I'm my fifties. You know what I'm saying. I'm I'm
half a honey nigga. You know what I'm saying. Hell,
you got still rockets. You know you gotta.

Speaker 4 (02:48:42):
You gotta learn to enjoy life, you know what I'm saying,
Because none of us learn to enjoy life.

Speaker 2 (02:48:47):
And the most the most important thing to all of
this ship is spending time with people that you love
and that love you. In your family. That's the most
important thing in life, because when they gone, they gone. Bro,
that's interesting. You spend much as much time as you
can with people that you love or that love you

(02:49:08):
and you know they love you in your life. That's
what you do. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:49:12):
Without having the number one single, hot single, all of
that ship, that's cool. But you know, the most important
thing to me is spending time with people with loving
because we don't know how long any of us gonna
be here.

Speaker 2 (02:49:24):
Motherfucker's dropping like flies. You know what I'm saying. Real
s are we taking a shot for that? Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:49:29):
Not for dying?

Speaker 2 (02:49:33):
Live it. He talked about people that I know, I
know live its thanks Sonny.

Speaker 5 (02:49:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:49:42):
By the way, I haven't seen Jamie for you a
shot at all.

Speaker 2 (02:49:49):
My shots. You don't trust Jamie friend.

Speaker 4 (02:49:55):
She's probably over be like that. Nigga twisted it. That's
some Bay Area ship. When I they can tell you
he twisted toasted.

Speaker 2 (02:50:01):
We don't use that air drink. Chance he twisted you
toast it right now? You toasted?

Speaker 3 (02:50:08):
Yes, he's taking the that's that's that's a picture.

Speaker 2 (02:50:12):
That's some forty motherfucking lango slang out gonna be twisted.
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:50:18):
Listen, me and E forty got a secret album somewhere.
Do you really like it's like four records.

Speaker 2 (02:50:27):
We gotta put it out when we do the nickname name,
that's called the EP. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:50:33):
Like, by the way, I've never seen this before in
my life. He forty came to my studio and laid
on his stomach, started writing around.

Speaker 2 (02:50:42):
Colorazi.

Speaker 3 (02:50:46):
You gotta stop?

Speaker 2 (02:50:47):
Was he Colorazo? So he came to my student.

Speaker 3 (02:50:52):
This is by the way, this is a't put his
legs up like this behind him.

Speaker 1 (02:51:00):
Right browning yourself talking for the right round.

Speaker 3 (02:51:04):
He laid on his stomach and I was, we don't
really pay our cleaning ladies, like you know what I
mean your I was like, I was really being honest.

Speaker 2 (02:51:13):
I was like, you know our cleaning ladies in New York.

Speaker 3 (02:51:16):
This is in the hood Lab. Oh that was the
dirtiest place.

Speaker 2 (02:51:19):
That's Jersey.

Speaker 1 (02:51:20):
But by the way, it's in the richest place in
New York, the dirty But I wanted to be called
the hood Lab. I wanted to own the cockroa stust.

Speaker 2 (02:51:33):
It's going to ball. But right though, he's he's right
st there one night listening dust many this is the
richest place of Manhattan.

Speaker 3 (02:51:47):
Yeah, but me, in my mind, I was like, I
want to make the dirtiest music ever. So if I
could do that, I don't want I want to. I
want to rent. Oh why you're you really saying this? Now?

Speaker 2 (02:51:59):
You really?

Speaker 1 (02:52:00):
You really did this consciously. You made it look like
a ship hole. Yeah, man, I wish you would have
told me when I went, hold.

Speaker 2 (02:52:13):
Okay, what is D and D D and D is
a ship? Hold a good excess? Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:52:26):
Correct, I agree with you totality. But it was on
forty It was on forty seven. I had property on
thirty second and Madison one of the only black person
that had a property. And you know what I did,
I said, I want to I don't want it to

(02:52:46):
resemble that because they had baseline, they had everything. So
you know, mint Bleak is why myth bleak with me
is school to this day, A couple of other artists
to change. They would come and they would come hang
with me and I were in waste them and put
them up. Yeah, the ship was real, Like this ship
was real because I was on Manhattan. Now, if they

(02:53:07):
would have ever those an rs ever came to see
how we were living.

Speaker 2 (02:53:12):
She was crazy No, no, no, it's Chinese. It's saying
with pieces.

Speaker 3 (02:53:19):
There's no mister chap.

Speaker 2 (02:53:20):
There was no cleaning person.

Speaker 3 (02:53:23):
Like by the way, you had the fight for your bottle,
look at at you. But by the way, some of
the best of the best music ever produced out of there.

Speaker 2 (02:53:34):
No amazing.

Speaker 3 (02:53:35):
It's amazing because it was just like and the pictures
if you see it in the chemistry was amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:53:40):
And by the way, we always uh credit Crazy Hood
for the.

Speaker 3 (02:53:50):
Of Drink Champs, but it actually started the hood Lab,
which is the Hoodlabe. The environment was was the hood Lab,
and then you know crazy Hood. We went, uh, what's
the name of insterdo Crazyhood, crazy Hood, crazy Hood. Our
name was the.

Speaker 2 (02:54:08):
Hood Laugh and his name was crazy crazy Laugh.

Speaker 3 (02:54:14):
And then if you put us both together, that's what
makes dream Champs, like right right right, Okay, weird combination.

Speaker 2 (02:54:22):
But what it's this ship though, you know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:54:24):
Saying this is he just having super organic naturally Yeah, yeah,
just getting drunk again, sucked up when you can't beat
that with the best and loving hip hop.

Speaker 2 (02:54:33):
That was that was.

Speaker 3 (02:54:36):
Loving hip hop? What love and hip loving?

Speaker 2 (02:54:44):
You want to be a little bit hip hop, he
said love.

Speaker 8 (02:54:54):
Going to Scott mad Now listen, we love that spoke
your love and I did you fuck me up and
put me in anyways?

Speaker 3 (02:55:09):
You liked it.

Speaker 2 (02:55:13):
Like I never put like like you know, like niggas
like like me in Short and and ship the free
on love.

Speaker 3 (02:55:21):
You should be loving hip hop.

Speaker 4 (02:55:23):
That's what the West like, like my slugging me and
me and too Short sluggan already like Ain't no love Bitch, Like.

Speaker 2 (02:55:31):
I think that would be the I would like to
produce that show. Ain't no Love Bitch. I was like that.

Speaker 3 (02:55:38):
You you hear the bulletproofess the whole time. You know
what it's like love bitch, which is like like, is
this is like the love of like the Bachelor?

Speaker 2 (02:55:49):
You know the Bachelor?

Speaker 3 (02:55:49):
You you take it right? What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (02:55:53):
It sounded weird though? You sweet? That's right. Listen. I
got him, you got it. I got him, So I
don't know what that got him?

Speaker 3 (02:56:04):
You got him. You gotta lady, what you got what
I got him?

Speaker 2 (02:56:11):
Yeah? You got them? Then, damn God, damn, I gotta
I gotta got it. I gotta I gotta man, I
got a girl. You gotta here.

Speaker 3 (02:56:25):
You gotta go from now you gotta you gotta girl,
we gotta have I gotta you gotta girl. Have somebody
got your back man like this like I'm gonna let
you win tonight. Nothing to go back, you know, God,

(02:56:49):
so God, you got you got a girl.

Speaker 2 (02:56:51):
Yeah, you gotta you know, you gotta have somebody have
your back, and I respect that.

Speaker 4 (02:56:58):
You gotta have somebody, man. You can't just be sitting
out here naked man with something depending on where you
are naked.

Speaker 3 (02:57:07):
You know, we already talked about in my neighborhoods were
tomorrow dumbling them in the ditches.

Speaker 2 (02:57:16):
Wow. Yeah, that that came from the shootout.

Speaker 3 (02:57:20):
That came from the from the shootout there, huh supposed
to access al ready. Yeah, that came from when I
you know, when I told when I was talking to Hutting,
that was just that like came out of that and
ship like like dumping in the dishes like crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:57:40):
I was. You know, it was a lot of gangster
ship going on back then.

Speaker 4 (02:57:45):
You know, Nigga had to kind of like you know,
like like motherfuckers know back then, Bruh, I had to
you know, pull out the banger a few times, like
I ain't Nigga you know, I'm trying to be Spiced One,
my nigga, but I was, I will don't make me
have to, like know, like your ass up out here, myga,
trying to be Spice one.

Speaker 2 (02:58:05):
Could I just be a rapper? But you're trying to
make me get down like that though.

Speaker 4 (02:58:09):
You know, I don't want to be drugged back into
the motherfucking streets like that, but I'm trying, you know
what I'm saying. So that's what dumping them in dishes
was about, Like, you know, niggas trying to pull me
back down into the hole like that. Now that I
got to the point to where I can do shows
in Japan and in Europe and England and shit, and

(02:58:30):
I got fans that all over the world, but your
niggas want to make me come back down here and
blow y'all motherfucking brains out, which is easy though, two
pounds of pressure with the right bangard, you know what
I'm saying, Like why so why can't just be me?

Speaker 2 (02:58:46):
Why can't just go be Spice one? Why y'all pulling
me down to the point to where you know, I
got a murder of motherfucker approved to you niggas that
I'm hard fuck out of here, Nigga. I got fans
in Japan good, you know what I'm saying. Like, so
that's the bumping them and ditches was about, like good Germany.
I don't want to have to do all that. Like

(02:59:08):
the game pulled me out of that. So now, uh,
basically I can do that if I if I want to.
But Ship, I'm trying to go back to Japan. The
first three roads was Japanese females doing this Ship. I'm
trying to go back to that. Like is y'all talking
about I'm good on all trying to be I'm cool,

(02:59:33):
you know what I'm saying. It is what it is.
You know what I'm saying. I'm you know, but you
don't like taking a shot that. I feel like, yeah,
let's take a shot for that, man, real spig because
because because you don't you don't know, you don't know
who you who you are, and to you leave the
country goddamn ridiculous. One thing I want to say is

(03:00:00):
the American Negro.

Speaker 4 (03:00:05):
Is everywhere, like we pop out, you know, I go
to different countries, I see you know, I see motherfuckers,
and Ship, I'm like, hey, man, what's popping with the
pippy you know yeah, yea dad is you know what
I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (03:00:17):
What is it? You know what I'm saying. Let him
know where I'm from just by my lingo. You know
what I'm saying that if they're from New York or
wherever the fuck they're from, they gonna be like he's
from the Bay Area. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (03:00:28):
So you know, it's cool when you go out the
country because you don't you know, that's when they know
who when you know who you are.

Speaker 2 (03:00:35):
Because people keep going. I never thought a million years
that I could go to Germany and pack the house
like that. But when you out the country, do you
feel more part of the country when you leave?

Speaker 1 (03:00:51):
I don't know if you understand what I'm saying, like
like the culture, like when you leave, because I always
tell people the number one export I think of America
as hip hop.

Speaker 2 (03:01:01):
Right to the world. Yeah, you're probably right.

Speaker 1 (03:01:05):
I think I think I think the United States should
cherish hip hop culture as literally the number one influencing
culture in the world.

Speaker 3 (03:01:16):
Yeah, and I don't think it's done. They've done justice by.

Speaker 2 (03:01:19):
It, probably right.

Speaker 3 (03:01:20):
But do you feel when you go out of town
that you were treated as such.

Speaker 4 (03:01:26):
Yeah, because it's different when you leave the country. Like
I never I didn't think that. Man, in a million years,
I never would have thought.

Speaker 2 (03:01:36):
Because when the dude booked the venue, when he booked
the venue in in Germany that held three or four
thousand people for me, and I had, you know, and
and and you know what I'm seeing.

Speaker 4 (03:01:49):
Uh they got bussed. You know, my face on the
side of the bus. They got the billboards up everything.
And I'm in Germany and I'm like, this is crazy,
like and and and I go and I'm thinking, and
I'm thinking the promoter here somewhere.

Speaker 1 (03:02:08):
I think.

Speaker 2 (03:02:08):
I'm thinking a promoter gonna lose money. And ship I'm fine, yeah,
google law or whatever. And trust me, I'm thinking, I'm thinking,
promoter gonna lose money. I'm feeling bad for the promoter,
like he FeelA lose money. I get there, line around
the corner.

Speaker 3 (03:02:26):
You got, I get the deposit.

Speaker 2 (03:02:27):
I'm good. Yeah, I was cool. You know what I'm saying.
I'm paid and the ship and everything like talk about
I'm feelna lose money. This is fucked up and this
is bad. I get there, it's packed, man, lining around
the corner and the people that the line around the corner,
they had to cut them off. They couldn't let them
in no more. It was over, you know. And I
get to the show and I'm like, and that's when
I started doing the Michael you know, I do do
the show and I do to Michael Jackson ship and

(03:02:48):
ain't fucking screaming and ship, and you know, it was crazy,
you know what I'm saying. Like, you know, then I
come back to America and I walk through Walmart and
ships like nobody, nobody knows, nobody knows, like beautiful.

Speaker 3 (03:03:00):
I just want to stop the average motherfucker, you know,
I just just show him fucking Germany with the crowd. Yeah,
well job screaming loud, just screaming, just I couldn't stop.
I had to stop rapping for them to spot to
stop screaming the ship so loud with the ship like
shout out to Germany. They was on the ship, they
knew what it was. Many, they had fun. They came

(03:03:23):
to the show and party, you know what I'm saying.
And that's as long as I know they're doing that,
that my job is fucking done. Listen, my man, my brother,
let me just tell you something, man. I said that earlier,
but I want to say it again. We started this
show me and my good friend right here. Everyone calls

(03:03:47):
him efforing sometimes sometimes he doesn't correct them. Never it
hurts me.

Speaker 2 (03:03:57):
His name is e.

Speaker 3 (03:03:58):
It kind of dot. I don't know, but it's okay.
I'm not talking about you talking about me.

Speaker 2 (03:04:04):
No Dot.

Speaker 3 (03:04:08):
And then they like and I'm like, it cringes me.
But my brothers, my friend, whatever else.

Speaker 2 (03:04:18):
I don't know. I don't want to get gone like that.

Speaker 3 (03:04:20):
But when we started this show, we sat down and
we pinpointed people that we wanted to praise. We pinpointed
people that we wanted to like make sure that their
legacy and their stamp on earth meant something to not us,

(03:04:41):
our staff, our audience, and just people that's affiliated with us.
When I tell you you're top ten, from the beginning,
we want we understood your legacy, We understood how much
you meant to hip hop.

Speaker 2 (03:05:03):
You understand how much you meant to us.

Speaker 3 (03:05:07):
We've been trying to I know this frequency has not
connected quite some time, but connected now.

Speaker 2 (03:05:15):
We believe in God.

Speaker 3 (03:05:17):
No matter what god name is, we believe that it's
a higher power that exists and we want to tell you, man,
thank you man for being who you are, thank you
for continuing to do what you do, and thank you
for saying something that you said earlier. He was like,

(03:05:39):
I'm just a pure hip hop artist.

Speaker 2 (03:05:42):
Yeah, yeah, that's it. I know hip hop. That's it.
You put two turned tables in front of me. I
know what to do with it. Makes you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (03:05:51):
I got breakdown some trophies and shit, wow, like I'm
real hip hop. I'm hip hop, bro, I got breakdancing
trophies and metals from winning breakdancing contests and ship and
all of it.

Speaker 1 (03:06:05):
More.

Speaker 2 (03:06:07):
It ain't just you know, selling dope, gangster ship and
all of that. I'm hip hop. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (03:06:11):
Like, you know you hip hop, but as a person
that you know, I told you this when I first
met you'ma I'm gonna reiterate this. You know in a
lot of ways, a lot of things that you guys.
If you guys didn't do it, I wouldn't exist, which
means that this show wouldn't exist. Se're the godfather of

(03:06:32):
a lot. And I just want to tell you man,
you're my homie.

Speaker 2 (03:06:38):
Man.

Speaker 3 (03:06:38):
No, no, no, no, this is your this is your day,
this is your flowers, and we really really, really really
really appreciate you coming down seeing us, because me and
this motherfucker right here, like I might be major labeled,
he might be independent, but when we put ourselves together

(03:07:01):
with hip hop, damn, they don't got nothing to do
with his preference or my preference. It got everything to
do with our love for hip hop and daylight. Today,
we all woke up out of bed early because we
knew we were just going to salute the great, the legendary,

(03:07:24):
alive motherfucker fift. I want you to know because me
and you has been homies for for years. But let
me just say something. The fact that we're homies does
not dumb down the fact that I'm a fan, the

(03:07:45):
fact that we're a fan, the fact that we wanted
to give your flowers. So we're gonna take a couple
of pictures. You do a couple of drops, and let's
do more shot. Jam let's wrap it up.

Speaker 2 (03:08:02):
I'll take this the last shot, and she gave me the.

Speaker 1 (03:08:05):
Crazy good drink Drink Champs is a drink. Champs LLC
Production hosts and executive producers N O. R. E.

Speaker 2 (03:08:12):
And dj e FN. Listen to Drink.

Speaker 1 (03:08:15):
Champs on Apple podcast, Amazon Music, Spotify, or wherever you
get your podcasts. Thanks for joining us for another episode
of Drink Champs, hosted by Yours truly, dj e f
N and n O r E. Please make sure to
follow us on all our socials that's at drink Champs
across all platforms, at the Real Norrie go on, I
g at Noriag on Twitter, mine is at Who's Crazy

(03:08:38):
on ig at dj e f N on Twitter, and
most importantly, stay up to date with the latest releases,
news and merch by going to drink champs dot com

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