Episode 435 w/ Ralph McDaniels (Video Music Box)

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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every Queen's rapper. He ain't say greed. That's your boy
in O R E.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
He's a Miami hip pop mioneer.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
What up?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's d J E f N.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
Drink up mother?

Speaker 1 (00:44):
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your boy in O R What up?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
His DJ E f N and.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
This drink chans mother mix up? And right now we
have a legend, legends long overdue, long overdue.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
This man's show has changed.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
He has raised he has so many he has so
many children and hip hop easy easy.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
He's like three point thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
This man controlled everyone's life. Uh, he's a pioneer. If
it wasn't for him, there wouldn't be so much things
that happened this show, particularly podcast people controlling radio. He's
been doing it, entrepreneur from back then to now, still

(01:33):
doing it. His story is so beautiful. You got to
see the show, the documentary on the showtime, you got
to see that so beautiful. He's the motherfucking very first
that I've seen that looked like me that I got
to see every day.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Mother.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
In case you don't know what we're talking about, motherfucker impeccable.
Thank you. Yes, yes, yo, been waiting a long time.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, yeah, we've been waiting a long time.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
So so let's talk about the documentary be real quick, Yes, sir.
You know what I love the fact that about the
documentary is it was put together so well but goes
to massive pill and I just put together so well
that even if a person didn't know that, because I
always say like it was it was that feeling at
that time, like you know what I mean, like like
even with.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
The cassettes and like you know, going home.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
But but let me ask you, I was, I was
doing so much research right And at the time when
you started this show, there wasn't even rap videos.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
No, the hip hop artists didn't get a rap video.
Everybody when you first came. I don't think they did
the first single maybe maybe you, but no no war
reportant war reporting, No, no no, this is that's before.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
But what I'm saying is when you first started the show,
you was playing like Chaka Khan.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
It really wasn't just just hip hop. How did how did.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
You started doing uh videos? Is that how you started?

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well look then to go back to the hip hop videos,
there was only a few made. Okay, run dmc, hugh
DEENI Fat Boys, you know, grand Master Flash, you know.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
That was about it.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
If you wasn't on that level at that at that point,
he wasn't getting no video. Only the pot Boys, you know,
Bruce Brings, you know, you know, Cindy Lauper, that was
they was getting the video. So we was playing some
of them, Cindy Lauper and and uh and Bruce Springsteen.
Because you know, look, I grew up in Queens. It's
very diverse. I went to Base one High sch Village right, Well,

(03:37):
I lived in Queens Village and.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I used to be going to you know, and I
went to base.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I played football and he was playing all of the
you know, the cool rock and roll ship.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I knew all that diego from he from Base. He
was he was high.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, and so yeah, so I knew all of that.
So I said We're not just trying to get the
raps people. We're going to get everybody, but the cool shit,
like the Hall of Notes, that was your goal originally,
that was the goal from day one, the Hall of
Notes on what's the joint David Byrne, you know all
of the cools that I would hear downtown, you know,

(04:14):
So that's why we mixed it up and everybody came
to the table.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Then we held New York City hostage from three thirty
to four to thirty.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
So now at this time, feel me, there wasn't like, yes, yeah,
there wasn't a lot of let's be I want to
be more accurate when you say this time, what is
that time?

Speaker 1 (04:31):
What year is this that you saw? Eighty three is
when we launched. Nineteen eighty three. Some some people watching
this it was like, what, how is it possible?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Nineteen eighty three?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
But nineteen eighty three is a good year because myself
cool DJ Red Alark gets on the radio, Wow, Mally
Mall and mister Magic on BLS around that time. No,
maybe they come in a year or two later, but
they was already on the radio on another level, and
so it was the music was opening up hip hop.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Was still evolving. Now was growing people.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Let's try this hip hop thing out, because you know
it's not like now with this twenty four hours hip
hop state right for this drink chand it wasn't like.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
That, you had to go find the hip hop right Yeah,
so what okay?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Keep because we're saying yeah right.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
He said, eighty three eighty three yeah, because and hold
I'm sorry because sometimes I'll get backwards because I'll say,
I'm in Miami. We didn't get it, but being a
hip hop head, we knew about it.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
We would get we would get recorded.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
To the vhs.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, we would get y'all would get the vhs.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
It was pre internet. It's crazy. When is it crazy?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
When you hear somebody like him in Miami stated that.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
It happened to me in Japan too.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
The Japanese was getting in over there from cats being
in the service here going over there and take the
just like they would take the mixtape. They did the
same thing with the vhs.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I'm like, how y'all know about me?

Speaker 1 (05:54):
You know they got the vhs boom, you know them
vs who like eight hours.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Long Clay. Those are like another version of mixtapes as
a visional you know.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
And it was the first time we saw you.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
We saw the artists, we saw the DJs change every
sort of you know, the people that was in the magazines,
you know, because you know, like Biggie said, I used
to have the pictures on the on the wall. Everybody
had them, but you never saw them in person. You
heard their music. Now you're watching my show and I'm
in the club.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
In real time.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Give a shout out and you know whoever they they are,
and you're like, oh, that's said. I hear how he
really thought he's not rapping now he's just talking. It's
like that's priceless. But but sorry, but I just want
to put it.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Some people couldn't understand It's please It was how scarce
it all was to see it, Like even like the source.
We take it for granted now magazine people don't even
care about magazz. But back then again, a kid in
Miami who's a hip hop d we couldn't get the source.
We had someone had to hand me down, hand me
down in school that would let you borrow it for
the day.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
I thought the source was like a national ding.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
But it took a while to become a national thing.
They weren't getting distribution like that. Okay, they started locally.
They started a newsletter and they became a magazine. Then
they started locally. Then it grew, but it took a while.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
The same thing with with with the videos, and the
same thing with mixtapes in general and wreck in music.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Everything was slower back then to spread.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
And the military did have a big thing with that
because people were doing that.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
That's how you that's how you feel like your show
got around, mainly people for the military.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Maybe people move it in New York in general. Right,
it was only in New York college.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay, we know about you know, because they was going
to school down south from New York and then they
was bringing that New York vibe. It was damn near
like a rapper was there when them girls were talking
about you, no, you know about this rock Sande Chante,
and you know her she ain't know it, but she looked,
she looked and sounded like that was like, damn near
the same the real thing you did. I did Chant's

(07:47):
first video.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
I did it. We did it.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
So Rock Sande Chante is being honored by the Payton
Full Foundation, which I'm on the board. And so that's
Ben Harwitz, Felicia Harwitz, Steve Stout, NAS and QD three
and myself and Fat five Freddy And she's going to
get five hundred thousand dollars well deserved, so is O

(08:17):
D and and Grand Master cast Yes, so big up
to them. So that's that's all happened. And what's that
happening that's going to be happening in Vegas? We did
it last year. We honored rock Him and scar Face
Get Better A scar Face Is that open to the
public for people to attend that? Not really, it's like,
you know, like dollars a table with thousand, one hundred thousands.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Because all of this.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
You know, Ben Harwitz is the loves hip hop, but
he also is like the dude that funds all of
these big companies that you know, like you know, you know,
any kind of tech company. He gets them started, Like
he's friends with Zuckerberg. And these are the dudes that
show up at that you know, and they just love him,
you know, and they love him because he loves hip

(09:04):
hop and and you know, you can't help it. I mean,
he knows this, he knows, he knows all he knows
about this. He knows your all, your music, he knows everything.
He's not he's not a dude that you would look
at and you would you would pick that up.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
But he knows it now.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
But that's double that he's stapping into his network, come
in and help, and he's not on some you know,
like you know some some super like I'm this dude.
I mean, he is that dude. You you gotta respect it.
But he's a you know, it's okay. I bought him
the Queens. I brought him the Jamaica Queen. What is
the Jamaica Queens? He had a book. I said, I
want you to come to the library. And he's like, hey,

(09:38):
let's do it.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Fab.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
He said, he caught Fab. He's a fab.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Come with me.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I said, you better than Fab out here. Come on now,
let's go bath from Harlem. You Queen's.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
I'm abouts around a little bit. Uh.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
The first time you ever got called or even heard
the word nigga was for my white versus Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I moved to originally from Brooklyn, boy born in best time.
Moved to Queen's and you know my parents. The whole
idea was, you know, we're gonna have a house now
we don't live in my grandmother's building, and we're gonna move.
We're gonna move to have a house and everything. Can
ride your bike. I got one of them orange you
know them joins them the big wheels. I can't remember

(10:27):
the name of it. Any way, was it was hot
at the time. I'm riding around. We like the third
black family on the block, and this kid is sitting
on the stoop and he goes, look, my nigga, I
never heard that word in my life.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Some I'm riding, but something felt it wasn't nice whatever
when he said it. Yeah, yeah, he didn't feel.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Good, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
So I was like, I kept riding. So I ran
around the corner and go back to the crib. Mom's
the kid down the block called me a nigga. I'm
just being I'm a young kid. She's like, oh, okay,
so this is not whatever. This is not why we
moved here. You're right, she said, Look, don't worry about it,
you know. You know, any the more they say sticks

(11:12):
and stones all that kind of stuff, and I'm like,
all right, So I never thought nothing of it. I
became friends with that dude. Wow, became friends with him.
So so you know, later on I heard the word,
you know, and now I'm starting to understand what the
word meant. But by that time we was already friends,
so it really isn't me nothing. Could you ever tell
him later, like I think I ever told him that.

(11:35):
I think you know, this is in the time when
when dudes were smoking dust. I think he was smoking
dust and he got he got the dust was a
big thing and Heroin at that when I was a kid.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Now you also worked on Juice.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, that's the first film I ever worked on. I
was the associate producer. Well I wasn't I was a
consultant first.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
But he's like that title or something, right.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, So I went home and I started watching movies
the titles at the end, and I said, I don't
see nothing that says because men. So I see producer,
executive producers, and I can't push it if I'm saying
I'm a producer. I said, how about associated producers? Said yeah,
no problem.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
So my job was to rewrite some of the.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Script.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
The script because it was written in the eighties, so
you know, it was like, you know, certain words we
just didn't use by ninety two. Ninety two is when
we're shooting the film, and so that was my job
to update it. I was the only the only one
I know where you're going with this now. So Tupac
was the only person. And he knew me because he

(12:47):
because I played Digital Underground on Video Music by He's like, Ralph,
take me, take me to the spots, you know all
the spots. So I took him to Brooklyn. To this day,
legendary people still, you know, I remember when you bought
to the Haughty Ralph.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
That was great.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
And he wasn't even too hot, like he's not too
hoc yet. He's he's you know, he's just he's in
digital underground.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
But did he have that song that they had, the
one he had one song?

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Maybe?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh you the same song?

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, same song that was yeah, but that one didn't
ring off like the other digital in the underground right,
But for him that that feature did, yeah, because he
was on some some x Clan type vibe in there,
and that was Brooklyn. Brooklyn is on some x Clent vibe,
big up ex Clent. I did all ay videos too,
oh wow, And so people dug him and you know,

(13:33):
he came out, he did his thing and and he
was the one guy at everybody in that cast and
all of them have had successful careers.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
That was serious though.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
He was because he came from California and moved to
New York to do that. So he was in New
York for whatever a month and a half, two months,
and he was like, Yo, this is my shot, Like
I'm in New York. And that's the thing too, is
like everybody wanted to come to New York because that's
where a lot of the media was at. Hollywood was
fronting on us. But you could get like a little
Spike Lee movie or something else like that. Felt he

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liked that had credibility. Tupac was serious about the credibility part.
And he was like, look, I'm not playing I'm not
joking around. I'm here them to make this movie and
it's gonna be dope and that's it. Here was aesome
dest be and shit for sure.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
And I heard you was even the one who bunged
Latifa wasn't down with an effort.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Latifa wasn't with it nobody because Hollywood was front Hollywood
was some of the movies after Beach Street and those
type of movies.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
They was whack. It was corny.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
You know, and everybody was like, nah, we don't want
to get caught up in that. So nobody wanted to
do no hip hop movies coming from Hollywood. So Juice
was kind of like that because the producers were from Hollywood.
Ernest Dickinson though, was the director. He's Spike Lee's man,
so it's a little different. And then when I showed up,
they were like, Okay, then we got credibility. Now. I
called up the Bomb squad. I called up because I

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did Public Enemy videos too, and I did a lot
of those videos, you know, not a living base, Sais.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I did a bunch of videos.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
You did that video?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, And so I.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Called up, called up saying, you know, I'm.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Just like.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
I want to get it all in.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
I'm in the fourth quarter, bro, and so so so yeah,
so all of those things came to the table. Amazing soundtrack,
the soundtracks, that soundtrack, the Juice Juice. Yeah, Anthem from
Naughty was wild like that, which being rock camp.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, no, everything on there, it's crazy, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
That felt like a real authentic hip hop movie.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
It all came together, you know, like you want to
get everything to come together sometimes it don't.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
You try your best but this one did.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
It worked.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
It inspired me as a DJ just seeing the DJ
scenes in there.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
They they did a great job on that. That the
marketing of it and everything, and so should I tell
you the story about didy and and and.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Hey man, ready for it? Let's go. Okay, we didn't
even know where it was coming. But so.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
At the time we're shooting Juice, there's another movie being
shot called want to Finished Business? What Halle Barry A
strictly business business of strictly business. So strictly business is
you know cool Andre Herald Production, So R and B
Chroni Sexy puff Gins fired from off the set. So

(16:27):
puff Gins kicked off. So Puff caused me, it's like, yo,
I've seen the script for Juice. I want to play Tupac.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
So I said, that's the one Well, I mean I
want to play Bishop, right. I said, that's the one
person that we've cast already.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
He's like, nah, that's me.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
I'm Hall and Roth come on not playing.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
So I'm like, I'm dead ass I never heard this.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
This is a real story because I'm the only person
that's me and him and the producer. Eventually I told him,
but he's, you know, going to see he went on
to do Harry Potter. He's here, He's not gonna tell
you about you. So I said, it ain't gonna happen.
So I suggest, for the sake of me, let me

(17:08):
go and tell that this is what's going on. So
they were like, nah, he punched the team stuff. It
can't happen. It can't happen. Even if we wanted him,
we couldn't bring him there. I said, I have no
prom I called Puff, can't happen. So that was the
end of that, and and that was it. They didn't
really they didn't know each other at the time. You
talk about Pocking p Pocking Puff. You know, he just

(17:29):
was like, I don't care if it's Christopher Williams. I
don't care if it's Michael Jordan, that's me.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
He just wanted to row. I want to roll right,
you know, crazy crazy wow. So he so Pak never
found this out. You don't think.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Didn't know that because the only person I told was
the producer unless the producer went and would have came
and told me what who wanted to But pock Paye
knew who Puff was, right well ninety two he might
haven't because they became probably friends shortly after that, or
at least acquaintance before we get to cream. He directed

(18:05):
that too, right, yes, jesus, yeah, you're in platinum video.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, he's platt videos before a platinum plat where's it
comes to you?

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Right?

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yes? Whis it gives you this protect your neck tape VHS?

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Not even the big professional table. It was like a
VHS like it's something that you put in your house.
The numbers are still running off numbers that got the
that's the original video I have. I saw that veron. Yeah,
they skateboard didn't have the skaters in it, right, they're
not they're not signed the Loud rerec There is no
loud record, right, there's no Steve Rifkin. That doesn't exist, right, Well,
it exists. But he's a promotional guy. He's not a

(18:46):
record label guy.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
But whiz it comes is? Is he is he doing
this professional?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Or because because you know by halving the numbers on there,
it's like this is a rough drivet.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Clearly, No, you didn't mixed. You didn't mixed the record.
It mixed the video. You already knew him from his
other he didn't.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
People want to get on the show so bad they
don't give it. Damn what they give me, right, that's real.
And that was one of those instances that's the way
I took it. So I was like, all right, you
want to go and fix it and finish it, because
all you gotta do is just switch it for the
one without the numbers on it. So he was like,
you can play that when you know you got like
a little nervous laughter. So I'm looking at him like

(19:28):
I'm looking at the video. I never seen nothing like
this before.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
We'll tank.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
You. That name sounded crazy to at the time.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
The fact that it almost looked like a whole video.
I'm like, I always thought that was a purpose or not.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
It was black and white. I believe that, Yeah, it
was kind of.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
It was just it was just dusty, you know, it
might as well have been black gir and, but the
music was dead, the raps was dead. And so I
just looked at it and I said, yeah, I could
play it. And I started playing it and people were like.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yo, what is that?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Man? You got the you know, the the Kong Fu
movie sound effect, and it's just mad dudes. They all
one group, like what's going on? And so I'm like,
I don't know, but I feel some energy when I
played this, I feel some energy because you know why

(20:23):
it was so weird because Riza was Prince Brah.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
So when he came, I'm thinking, it's.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
That that he's coming, which is polished, more polish, but
it's way happy.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
It's not even.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, it's very happy.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
And so when he gave it to me, I was like, oh,
this is something different, you know, it's like totally different.
And I kept playing it and then Steve Rifkin calls me.
I knew Steve Rifkin because he was a guy that
would give you like chromo vinyl and and and Steve
Rickkin took me the Ice Teas house when I went
to l A. He's like, we want to go to
Icy house. So I was like, yeah, he went to

(21:03):
Icedy's house. I was like, Oh, is that the house
with the roof?

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Opened up. Well, this is when he was with Darleens. Yeah,
not that I know Coco love Coco. This is back
in the days. And so we early and he's like
and I meet Iced Tea and I'm like, okay, so
this dude is cool. Steve Rifkins, what were you doing, Steve?
What's going on? So Steve he called me for I'm
trying to get in contact with Rizza. I said, this
is we don't have we have beepers. Maybe, Dan, we

(21:29):
don't have no cell phones. I don't think you said beepers. Yeah,
So so I'm like, you know, he shows up, when
he shows up, I don't know. So then some months,
some weeks go by and then I get another copy
of the video and it says Loud Records on it.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Now, so I said, oh, you got signed.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
They got signed, the same version with the numbers on,
but it's it's just in their case, it in their
own box and sent it out and that was it,
and Rizza said, yo. Rizzi was grateful that I played
Protect your Neck the way I did, you know, and
you know, let me tell you mix shows played it,
but when it's on that TV, it's a little different.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
It's a little different.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
And I said, yo, man, you know, I'm glad that
y'all got a deal because I went from doing excellent
that was the end the X clan and then came
Wu Tang Clan like right behind each other. So he said, yo,
y'all got another record. You don't want you to do
the video? I said, which was the name of song.
He said, cream. So I gave me the cassette. I'm

(22:35):
riding in the car like what m Cash threws. I'm like,
oh this is this is way different from protecting your neck.
So you wrote that treatment for the video that I
wrote the whole treatment and my idea was the first
time working with them, yeah, continue. All of the videos
that they did before that were shot in State Nland
because they wanted to show, like, you know, stant Noyd,

(22:57):
we're from stan Island.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
We were right here, y'all come to us. And I
was like, ya, gotta come out of State.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
So I shot in front of Willie Bergers in Harlem,
so let Harlem niggas know.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Look see they up here too. You know.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
We shot Time Square because that was international. Let's let's
you know, you get that that big side and here
so and so ray Kuan said, oh you got a plan.
I said, yeah, yeah, we're gon We're gonna take it
outside of stant Now we shoot some pit parts and
stand now we shot in the projects and and then
we shot, you know, in in Manhattan because I wanted

(23:30):
to let everybody know they not just from Stanton.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Now this is new York.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
So how tough was that back then? Like when you
say locations.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Now people have these little cameras and they could just
go and just go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
But back then, yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Everything was crazy and yeah, like big trucks. Yeah, big
trucks and stuff like that. So how was that was
that hard?

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Did you have to pull permits? Well, in the beginning,
we didn't. We just was you know, oh no, no, no,
we college students. We just doing the college film. You know,
you get away that for a little while with cats
like Norri and them starts showing up.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Don't look like college film. I think everybody's used shooting
the college project.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Right, you got a white beard man.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
So once we.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Got past that, especially my partner, me and my partner
Line of the Big Kid, he's a big kid. Big
Kid was doing you know, bel biv DeVoe, the whole album,
Boys to Men, the whole album, shooting the whole video,
the whole the videos of TLC, every video. Yeah, we

(24:38):
was on the road, man, we didn't look at least
four or five hundred videos.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
And then my intern picked up where we left off. Williams.
Williams is my intern. Yeah, he's he's my he's my
he's my guy. I go pick him up on Lynden
Boulevards where he lived at around where Cons and Tip
and and everybody right in that area, Saint Aubans, and

(25:03):
I'll go pick a handle car. Come on, let's go
seven in the morn. We gotta be the set by nine,
let's go boom, get to set. He would be like
the dude who would like, Okay, I want to let's
paint the whole room purple. And he would come in
and paint the room purple, but he would add a
little flat to it. I I like that. That was different.
You can't just putting the purple, you know. So we
always had something creative with him. And then he started

(25:26):
asking me could he do videos? And I said all right,
and and I gave him a video my man just
passed away strictly roots my man Dion Broadway from the Bronx.
And he did that video and he did a great
job with it. And then another guy we had, I

(25:46):
gave him positive k Uh, what's the positive k I got?

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I got a man, he said, I got a player
using the crib.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
He's going back to that. But but a lot of
a lot of guys came through, and we we gave
them opportunities. You know, clearly Hype was most successful. So
much sense, Yeah, that makes so much sense. I don't
even I don't even know how I didn't put two
or two together and know that already, like I think
I did. But yeah, so so you knew, like you

(26:26):
know how you can? You said, like when you heard
who you can look and see little stars? Can you
do that with a video directors? Like? Can you? Did
you know Hype will be this big? I knew he
was creative, he wasn't scared. And you know that's the
thing about you know, telling, working with people and creating
a scene. Don't be afraid to try something different, you know,

(26:48):
like you know when you're making video artists, you know,
like I want some different angles, man, I need some
different you know, give me some fly ship, change the
lens or something, you know, like do that kind of ship, right?

Speaker 3 (27:01):
And you see Hype in that what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Oh yeah, no, he was putting vasoline on the lens.
I'm like, yo, what you doing?

Speaker 2 (27:11):
That sounds so different?

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Why did Hype get his name?

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Hype? The name? Oh graffiti?

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Okay, let's go let's go back.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
You start the show.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
To start, uh, to create your own videos?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Right?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Is that like not like like I see Oprah? Right?

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Oprah has this magazine every month. You know who's on
the front cover open magazine Oprah? So is that something like?
Was that type of my entireity?

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Like yo, let me, let me, let me try to
control the atmosphere or how did that work?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Maybe I should have. I wasn't like that at all
because I didn't want all that attention. I never even
got into this to when I first started the show.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
You never saw me. You used to hear my voice?

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
So the people at the station was like, people want
to see you again in request.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
They want to know who's the guy behind the foot.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
So then I started. First place I showed my face
was that the Roxy. Okay, it was Mellie Melo, it
was anybody was at the Roxy. I never even met
these dudes. I'm from Coins, these they from from the Bronx.
I never met these guys, but they all there. I'm like, Wow,
this is real hip hop.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
You know you.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Know I know who, but they didn't know you. Not
well they did, actually they did, and and and that
was the crazy part because they knew my voice, they
knew my name.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Let's put that.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
They might not have seen me before, but they knew
my name. I remember mister Magic came to this, to
the to the to the to where I was doing
the show, but he just want to see who's who
the fuck is Rob mc daniels, I'm mister Magic.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
But did you think he thought as your platform as
a competitive.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Thing to yeah anything, If you was on that, you
had people's attention and people was talking about you. Who
is that?

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Because mister Magic was Thelly Magic.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Molly Molly wasn't there, but Magic was there and Flat
Time the bigger fly Time from co Chilling Records.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
He really gave us our first start with.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Doing the videos Shante, Bismal Key, Cougie Rap Caine, We
did all those videos.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
That was our first.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
It was crazy, man. We didn't I wanted to do
death jam stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Russell was fronting really and from I'm from from Queens Village, Hollers,
I'm from right there and I'm like, rush yoh, let
us do a couple of videos, man, not even Curtis
blow videos. Well by the time we got it. By
that time, Kurt's kind of slowing down. That's after the
breaks and Christmas wrapping and all that. But Kurts, I'm in,

(29:50):
but I don't even think. Oh they did have a video, right,
had basketball and a couple of other video But yeah,
that was a that was a great time for us
to to develop ourselves do business with these guys who
are the new hip hop entrepreneurs Russell Simmons, Tom Ron Williams,
Andre Herrel, Right, these are the new guys. There's a

(30:13):
couple of guys from uptown, some old gangster dudes that
got labels. But we only sucking up because they on
some other time. But these are dudes that are really
at the party in the culture. Okay, were with it,
We with it. We're gonna were gonna mess with y'all.
Hip hop was always not a nice thing, right, Yeah,

(30:34):
that part is you know, like from back in the
parks days, you know the dreads that come and take
your equipment and all that, you know, or just some
dude that just he's just gonna take your stuff. Just
when you see them, you're like, damn, they're gonna take
our ship.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
We could do about it. The damn thing we could do.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Let me ask you the Box, which was out here
in Miami.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
That was out here.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
That's a big deal for us too.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
But what did that affect the show at one point?

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Like, no, it didn't affect us in any way. So
the Box, you know, they used to call us the
Box for sure. The streets we call video naming, the
shows called video He's but they would going going home
and watch the Box.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I see you later, boom.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
So when the Box came out, you know, you pay
money to get to see the video, and they the
list would come up and we picked this video, Luke,
you know whatever, I want to rock. H So now
these videos are coming on, people think that it's us, right,
but that's not me. Is that clear? I didn't know

(31:45):
it at the time. I didn't even know that MTV
created the Box. Yes, really, MTV created the Box, but
there was no They didn't say MTV production, didn't say
viacom or nothing on. This crazy MTV created about the
Box was a money grab. The whole idea was record
labels were spending.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Straight.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
They would have a dude and I knew that wanted
the dudes.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
One of my homies DJ was it was one of
the program directors there.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, he realized that then, Like like I was, I
was a fan, so I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
You know how you knew keep paying that. But this
is how you knew when you bought, you ordered a video.
You see a million videos before your video ever came out.
That's because and then you see the same video.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
It's because the same videos that they would run, they
would pay it off.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
That was all of boom.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
And there was a guy sitting in his house and
he was just spending and it could work his money
and it worked. That was his job.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
It worked because you would get programmed by seeing that
video over and over.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
It broke a lot of audists. Yeah, yeah, I feel
like he got broken.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Come on, why does he keep coming up on h
give an executive champion? Real hip hop ship?

Speaker 1 (33:02):
What's my man from Texas? I used to play a
lot o man? What's that guy's name? Mexican guy? He
was hot, Oh, straight gangster. There's a lot of it
sounds like a lot of people. Damn, I forgot, I
forgot South Park Mexican Mexican. Yeah, come on, come on,
come on, come on, come on. I know I can't

(33:25):
forget Kid Frost.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's Panic carriage, that's right. So my wife is Puerto Rican.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Big, your wife make some night. Have you ever been
wrong about a video? Like someone sending you a video
you not play it and.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
You're like damn or you playing and it was not? Yeah,
I missed. I missed a couple. Yeah, I mean, I'm
trying to think of like a good example. They probably
with some like I mean, there were records that would
hit records, but not in New York, right, And I.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Didn't play it. And then when I went.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Somewhere elf, it was like what people were going crazy
to the records, you.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
Know, like you don't worry about that all the time. Yeah, yeah,
I didn't know. I was throwing down of you because
me and him were arguing about that all the time.
I argue, but we we debate.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
It's like back then, it was almost like your records
had to sound like New York to get because you know,
obviously it was controlling.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
We had, we had, we had to think, and it.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Almost seemed like people wanted to have their records sound
like New York.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Business of hip hop was centralized in New York time.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
So everybody we.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
First seen sales sales because I thought they was from
Brooklyn Side everybody was cyper sales and work like yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
And I told I told be Real that he's that.
I I know everybody.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Everybody had to go in through the back.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Door and puzzling to New York.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
Yeah, like to like make a sound that was relatable
to New York sound to kind of get in the door.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
But like when I played n w A, it wasn't
playing on the radio in New York, and I just
felt like, whatever, now I'm going to LA now because
I'm working, I'm doing videos out there, so I'm seeing
there's a whole scene in LA.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
So I'm aware of it.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
New York people not really aware of it because they
haven't seen it, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
But n w A.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
I'm like, this is hard, this is this is like
West Coast public Enemy. Yeah, that's exactly.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
That's the way I took it.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
That's the way I looked at it too.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
We're gonna play this and people were like, man, what's
he got? Jerry curleson I'm playing easy E too. We
weren't easy. Yeah. He came out first, his album first,
right album was just a s no no no.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
His whole album came out first.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, Jim Jones said, man, when you played that easy.
I felt like I was him when he busts out
of the jail. But Green Green it was hard, you know,
like it was it was, it was, it was. It
was something that was New York. Wasn't playing those records
on the radio. You know, you didn't hear those records.

(36:08):
You know, you might have heard, you know, once in
a while a couple, but it definitely wasn't a New
York sound. It didn't go in the mix because New
York it was basically mixed show. Basically at that point
in New York. It wasn't like ninety seven, you know,
five or anything.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
It wasn't a rotation.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't that.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
So we broke a lot of records.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Luke.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Luke told me that we played his song more in
New York than in Miami, which record two like Crew
or Luke two Live Crew. I played two Live Crew first.
I Want to Rock clearly was a big hit. We
played that a lot. That was Luke actually, but he
played but he said something. I can imagine we played

(36:51):
move something yet and but he said that his records
wasn't on the radio in Miami.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
I believe it.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
He said they were in the clubs Miami bass.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
I mean I was a kid a on it, but yeah,
but it was definitely the club high radio. I was
playing it on the on the on the playing videos
because it was all the girls in baby suits.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
You know, it's Miami.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
It looked good and you could get.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Away with that at that time, from three thirty to
four dirty yeah Okayrazyn Wow, Yeah, it was lit. So
did you ever get video music box out here? No,
we would get it. We would get recorded tape, recorded tapes, okay.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Man, Like people would make like their own version of
a mixtape, like like a VHS mixtape, and they would.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Have snippets from Video Music Box in it.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Wow, I'm gonna make it available. Well yeah, cause I
see in a documentary you got all these archives.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, twenty thousand hours.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
We started a nonprofit Video Music Box collection because it
takes real time. You have these are all tapes, analog tapes.
You got to play it out in real time to
digitize it. And so I'll be here to ninety years
old doing this. So we had to get some money
big up to you know, people that contributed, Ben Hardwiz,
some others. It's history, man, it has, preserving it, archiving it.

(38:07):
It's like, you know, making sure that when we all
along and gone, even if you didn't keep a personal history,
we have something. It might not be the whole story, yes,
but we have something that we say, yeah, this is
what this person did, This is what IFN did. This
is what you know, so that it exists and not
overproduced like raw Like I want to get you know,

(38:32):
CNN in the Sweaty club in Queens or in Brooklyn
and you know fight's about to jump off. I want
that footage, right, I want that energy. It exists. That's
the purest organic form of it. Fat Joe said, Man,
you know how many times, Ralph, you were right in

(38:53):
the middle of some just about to jump off, and
you're just there And the only reason I hasn't jumped.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Up because you're there. Right. Is that good?

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Is that bad?

Speaker 3 (39:02):
He's like, no, it's good.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
He just edited himself right now, he says, she's about
to jump off. You know, like when.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
When we used to we used to see like, uh,
you guys in the club, what was that tape the
night before?

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, or it could have been the week before, it
could have been week yeah, it could have been a
week before. We tried to get it out as quickly
as we could. One of the fastest I got out
was the Fresh Vest back in eighty five. Okay, that
was the first hip hop concert. M Yeah, first big
on that's Beasti's on there, No, No, it's run DMC
is the headline. Houdini, Fat Boys, Hot Boys for sure,

(39:47):
Master Flash Serious five L got like one record I
need to beat?

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Does one record on there?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Maybe too? Okay? And so.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Oh and the Dynamic Rockets they was up there was
they was dancing, dancing brow and they did a whole routine,
but like a like a stage routine still and you.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Got to put this out like six days or something
like that. Right.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
I read that immediately because I said, somebody going, but
nobody had it. And there was one other camera I've
never seen that angle, but nobody else had it. And
that was like the changing of the guards. Because there's
a scene in there where Grand Master Cats and Rundiums
and and Run DMC are crossing each other. The one's
going into the just rooms On's coming out and you

(40:30):
look at grand Master Cat, Grandmas Cat looks like Rick
James right outfit right and run DMC is the Leather,
No Leaves Black, the b Boy Adidas, what's up? Like
they was straight off the block, straight off for Holosat.
We just jumped in and were going into the arena.

(40:52):
We're gonna get on stage and rocket out. I was like,
dam look at the difference in hip hop right there?
Look at this?

Speaker 2 (40:57):
So you saw it in real time? I saw it
in real time.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
I got this.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
I made the still is going to put it out
of that moment because that was a big moment to
me because I saw it. And you know, Jermaine Dupriez
is the dancer for UDINII. That's that, that's from that,
for this, that's that's my footage from that.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
All the footage that they come him as a kid.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, that's it's crazy because that's how to be watching
hip hop that long is pretty amazing. Thank God I'm
still here to talk about it. And that's why it
was important for me to come on here because everybody
keep going, oh yeah, yes, yes, please.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Our show is about giving people their flowers when they
alive while they hear and tell you how great you
all face to face man, and man, it wasn't for you,
it wouldn't be a lot of us, so.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
We will watch nice.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yes, yes, oh man, it's like double O seven.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I tell you one thing though, you know, when I
came in here, I was definitely a little high because
glory is blowing some good.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
I wasn't back then because people was going to jail
for Joyce back then. Well I wasn't at the Q
clubs and things like that when you was filming.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Was they allowed to smoke back then?

Speaker 1 (42:20):
He wasn't allowed to. But you know at Q club
you get away because that was a Jamaican spot. But
I always say, damn man, you know how many people
are still locked up for some bullshit we now? You know,
like I remember the first time I saw Jamaican in Queens.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Like with some cloks. A Jamaican.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
A Jamaican right right, he walked down the block, You
walked down the boy And now we were sitting on
the stoop like you know, I'm like young, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
What is this dude? Who is this guy?

Speaker 1 (42:57):
My family is my family from Trina that but Jamaican
is DIFFERENTS is different.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Bro and dregs.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
And I was like and we were looking at him,
we were like who is this guy?

Speaker 3 (43:09):
And you know it right.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
It was like Bob Marley and I was like okay,
And so that was the introduction then, you know, because
I'm in Brooklyn at the same time, so I'm seeing
dreds Now all the time. When I moved back a
graduate from college, I moved back. I'm in the middle
of it. That's why I play a lot of reggae
music on the show too. And you know, because I
hear all, I know all the tunes as soon as
I come out my door, I hear everything, you know.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
So the neighbor in the neighborhood flat.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Bush, flat Bush, I think of old motherfucker bro Tea
making Patty and a different Patty with coco bread.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Goddamn no is. So let's let's talk about the brothership connection.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Whoa, whoa, Let's talk about that, the brothership connection. That's
me and my man Lionel, my boy. You know he
was a big kid on TV. That was our original
DJ crew. Oh wow, yeah wow. So it was called
the Brothership Connection and it was that was that went
away real quick, you know, it was like for a

(44:11):
quick hot minute. Then I was I was DJ Ralph McDaniels.
I didn't I never had a you know, like flash.
I never had like Grand Wizard Theater. I never had
one of them names. I just was like, nah, I'm
just gonna be me. My My regular name is Rob McDaniels.
Then I when what they said the other day that
they had dj D everybody. Yeah, one point everything was

(44:32):
dear E.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Like my original name was Funk E funk or e funk.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
That was my first two original names.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Let's go, let's talk about classic concept. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Classic concept was when we when we started doing video
music Box.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
We were watching the videos and we were like, you.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Know, like it would say, you know, I was one
hundred and twenty fish Street walking down the I'm like,
that's not one hundred twenty fIF street. They walk, they walking,
That's I don't know where they at, right, who did
this video consulting to us? You know? So I'm like, Wen,
we got to do our own videos. And that's why
we started classic concepts. So it was a classic concept
that we would come up with something that was standing

(45:12):
to test of time, Like it's a production company. That's
the name of our production Yes, the video Yeah, all
the videos we did self destruction you did self destructing incredible, Well,
we want to come up with something that I can't
ever forget this, you know, cares One in the Schomberg.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
But hold, let me ask you what we can talk
aboutself the construction.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Was you a part of making the making the record too,
or just filming a video after the record?

Speaker 2 (45:40):
I was around when it was, I wasn't part of it.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I can't say this is the old stop movement that
happened because there was a concert, some kids got stabbed,
one kid might have got killed. This is the when
they changed from gold chains to rope to the medallion
to let them die, So let's stop the you know,
Cares was the first. Probably well he just had a
big one and so everybody's like, okay, no more goal,

(46:03):
change leather, the medallions, and and that's when that came about.
And but krus One already had.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Nothing to stop the violence movement.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Stopped the violence movement, right, not self destruction, Yes, stopped
violence in hip hop, well, you know. And so that
was just a build off of that. And then they
gave the D Nice produced that track. The Nice producers
produced it, Yes, yeah, because they I remember when they
were like d Nice is working on the record. He

(46:36):
was just making the record then before the artist. It
makes sense, It makes sense. He was a young guy
at the time. Nobody, everybody at that time was like,
why d Nice Nice on here? Because D Nice was
there was a lot of producers out at that time.
People you didn't even know you. When I first said it,
you were like, right, that's the way everybody else felt.
Did he really?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
But D Nice was, Yeah? D Nice was doing this
thing back then.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
I mean that record, so I can't and that record
to do the video. How hard was it to get
all those people in line for that video?

Speaker 2 (47:09):
That was hard. She shot it on a Sunday.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Because that's the top two of hip hop at that time. Yeah,
and and not everybody was you know, playing along. Wow
that even for that right, just because like you know
what time they gonna be there. But I think I
think it was a combination of Ann Carley from Job Records, myself,

(47:38):
car Reswan Nelson, George and people and what had just happened.
Like it was a big concert and it was like, Yo,
we're not gonna be able to do no more concerts,
no more if you continue to be doing this craziness
at the show. And I think everybody took it seriously,
and I think, oh, my man's brother had got got cut.

(47:59):
I saw you walking in the rain, right Orange Orange
Juice Jones, his brother his yea, his younger brother was
one of the guys who got cut. So he's in
the doc there's a little documentary on it. He's in
that talking, so it's kind of close to home. He
was on death Jam, you know, and Orange Jones was
kind of hot at that time. And so yeah, so

(48:23):
people came together. I remember Slick Rick. He looked like
he just came from the Castle. Castle was in the Bronx.
Castle was the spot in the Bronx that's where you know,
all the drug boys was there. Kicking free.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Was the DJ open to seven in the morning.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
And Rick came down the block with two bottles and
the coat like it was the album cover. And I
was like, this, niggas for real right here, a real deal.
This is before he went to jail, you know. And
so with the jewelry on Bom eighty nine, it is

(49:01):
really nine.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
Who was your You don't necessarily have to answer this,
but who was your favorite scene in that self destruction video?
I can tell you mine was MC light and Public Enemy.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Okay, Lonald who directed that, my partner, Loana Martin.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
He loved that. He loved Kine. He was like he was.
He loved because he did all Kine videos.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
He did the early ones, and so and and MC
light we did mc lights videos too, We did Payer
then want On Train. So those are his two favorite
artists for that project. Let's say so he and they
rhymes right behind each other. And so he loved that part.
So I can't understand why you And that was in
front of the the the what you call him the

(49:43):
Club and Tom Square Big Club back then Union Square,
I mean not Union Square, Latin Quarters, La Court. That
scene was that not Public Lights? Yeah, MC light, Public Enemy.
Chuck wasn't there. Chuck was. He was in a studio,

(50:04):
he was in Long Island. I don't know what Chuck
was on, but he wasn't there. He had to ask
Chuck and so and so. He wasn't there. But Flavor
was there. He's in the he's at the scene that morning,
Sunday morning in Harlem. But Flavor was there. So they
got that done. But Chuck wasn't there. So Chuck's never
in the video.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
He's in it, but he's not.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
At that.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
That's my favorite scene.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, you know he's in the studio in in in
what you're saying in the studio right in Roosevelt. Yeah,
So what's your favorite scenes in that video? I think
I like to hold the beginning in the Schomberg Library,
just you know, anytime you gotta fight, like I'm a
producer in that case, I'm a producer, you fighting for
a location. This is the Schomberg. They could care less

(50:51):
about hip hop. This like a you know whatever, educational situation.
And I'm like, this is a positive song for the community.
You all are serving the community. I'm putting it on
you know, I'm leaning on them. And they were like, yeah,
we don't really care about hip hop though, and I'm like,
you know, it's gonna help. And eventually we got it
done and we probably gave them some money, you know,

(51:13):
donated some money to this to the situation. So whenever
you got to go through all that and then you
get it done, you're like, all right, that's my favorite scene,
right right. I think that song had a huge impact
at that time. And then you know, and then we
had the West Coast All Stars. Yeah, they do the
same instruction was first. Yeah, yeah, clearly. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
Yeah, But I mean I think those two movements did
do a lot of positive at that time.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Do you think they could do it again now that
we need something like that?

Speaker 3 (51:41):
That was a two point question.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
One is what did you think of when you heard
the West Coast version of all them the same gang?

Speaker 3 (51:47):
And then? It was cool? You know, I thought it
was cool.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
I thought it was especially because they had everybody that
was important in it.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Hamma was in it at the time, w A w
A digit underground.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, everybody was in and they used the songs the
track changed, yeah, the artist, yeah, that part where the
law right. Yeah, so they used the sample of day
music own music. Yeah. I don't know who produced that,
but that was that was good. That was a good,
good vibe. But I always say people always ask me
why don't they do of self destruction? Now? Ralph people

(52:21):
have tried, I mean, like like who tho not?

Speaker 5 (52:24):
I mean like like if like right now, we were
to google it right now, you'd see a million versions
of no real legit. I think Kris One did a couple,
but I think there needs to be a movement to
do it the way it was done then, because because it.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Wasn't like self Destruction, a version of we Are the World. Yeah,
like you know what I mean, Like right, that was
a vibe to you know, like those type of records, right,
you know, like self deduction, We Are the World. It
was another one we used to play on the show
Sun's City. It was against Apartheed in South Africa. I
used to play that all the time. We're not going
to do Sun City, you know, all of those types

(53:00):
of songs. But I think now, more than ever, we
need because the world is like separated right now, polarized
like a motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
And one thing about hip hop is I don't care
if you black, white, Asian, wherever you came from, if
you like hip hop, were rich, you we all together
and we need that to come back.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
You know.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
I think that people are scared to go and to
say it and do certain things because it's not the
cool thing to say right now. You know, everybody's on
the side of the fence. But that's that's that's that's
a bad thing. That's that we need to we need
to bring, we need to bring and if hip hop
that's what hip hop did. I remember I worked at
Hoigh ninety seven. It used to be just black and
Latino crowd. And then one night I went out on

(53:44):
the stage and it was all white, and you know,
I'm ready to do my use Brooklyn and I'm like,
what am I supposed to say? I said the same
ship and I.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Said, oh, okay, hip hop.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Yeah, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
That's what hip hop has been, and that's why it's
number one now, you know, the number one genre. And
people go like, well, you know, it doesn't do it.
It hasn't done anything for the world. I'm like a
lot of people together. True, you go to I've been
in countries where they don't even I'm the only ones
speaking English, and they know hip hop.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
They know me, and we all good.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
As long as I go get on stage and start jumping,
don't have to say nothing. They get it. So it's
changed the world. Hip Hop is definitely the world. You know,
it's but we know in a time, a tough time,
you know, and I'm glad that.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I'm not trying to preach or nothing like that, but
we need to come together, you know, like just on
some like come on, man, relaxed.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
But we're not gonna be here forever, man, you know,
let's leave something positive.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Oh look, I'm like this, like what I can't believe
you know, I'm this old now, like what can't be?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Can't just can win it all go?

Speaker 3 (55:00):
We love the documentary. You have been thinking about making
a full fledged movie.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Like yeah, bio back then, like like like like like
the Wire about.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, yeah, you could do that. We could do easily,
thirty six episodes easily. I already was worked on twenty four,
close to twenty four, maybe sixteen seventeen. And the idea
was when I first did the documentary was to do

(55:29):
a movie first, because I was like, the streets want
to see a movie. Man, the movies, because you know,
the movies thing was hot, you know, DVDs, all kind
of movies is out. I'm like, nah, I don't care it.
Damn about no documentary. They want to see the movie.
And so before I did the deal with mass Appeal,
I did it with Mark Wahlberg.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Wow. Wow.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
So Mark Wahlberg's like one of his homies, his main dudes.
Grew up in Long Island watching Villiamsbah. He calls me
one day He's like, yo, man, I want to do
a documentary on video memes. But I work with Mark Wahlberg.
What He's like, Yeah, say let's get him, Let's get
him on the phone. Were you playing Marky mark On?

(56:11):
I played him okay, And so I played New Kids
on the Block too, Donny. So what were they getting
it in Boston?

Speaker 3 (56:20):
It was getting maybe I don't know, okay. And so.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
I get on the phone and it wasn't Mark but
it was his documentary company. And we're talking and they're
like yeah, and then the pandemic kids. So we're like,
we gotta do a sizzle reel. So we made the
sizzle reel on Zoom. I'm talking, answering the questions, I
got all the content, I'm sending it to them. They
cutting it up the scissors tight. We signed, you know

(56:48):
when you do these dimities signed like a little agreement.
Don't shop, don't go nowhere else with this for eighteen
months exclusivity, right right, So we sat, We met with HBO,
which Mark Warlburg does a lot of stuff with HBO.
So I'm assuming that this is it. We getting ready
to go. The main lady Nancye something, she's on the call.

(57:09):
I'm like, this is the Lady's on every back every
documentary were with the official lady right here. See I'm sorry, guys.
I love the idea, but we already got a bunch
of documentaries on music because we can't do nothing. I'm like, oh, okay,
all right. So then they okay, we're gonna meet with Netflix.
With Netflix, thing's happening. Two young kids. I knew they
didn't get it at all. So I'm like, produce saying,

(57:32):
joint on Netflix. Though, no, well it wasn't. Netflix bought it. Well,
another production company bought it and put it on Netflix.
So they're like, well, let's go to b ET. Hold up, wait,
let's not go to BT. Let's move around, let's move
around nothing against BET. Let's move around hip hops International,

(57:56):
let's move around.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
And so.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Happening.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
So we sit and we sat for a while, and people,
this isn't on the pandemic. People was dying. You know,
such and such died, this one dies. It's scary, scary.
I'm like, hold up, man, we gotta do something. This
is We're not just gonna sit here and let this
play out. So the time the contract ran out. Oh.
Also the main part of it was Sasha Jenkins, who

(58:24):
did the Wu Tang documentary. Right every time, Sasha would
do a documentary. You call me, yo, Rob, I'm doing Bizmarkey,
what you got? I hite him with some footage, okay, Sasha.
I'm like, Sasha, I need that back. Yeah, you were
his secret weapon, right, come on, man, let's let's I
need you to direct the video music box joint. So

(58:44):
he's like, all right, he went to the meeting with
the with the with with HBO and all that, but
it didn't work out. He calls me, He says, look, man,
I'm gonna take it to Showtime. I got a meeting
with Showtime. You okay with that? Yeah, the same shit, HBO, Showtime.
Let's do it. He doesn't tell me that nas is
going with him, right, he says, yo, nass right before

(59:07):
they go, We're going to there.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Now Nas is with me.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Sons with Knas come out. That's massiveppeal okay, all right,
no problem, yo. They loved it. They loved it that.
That's the only thing they trailer. No, no, no, no no,
not that we had some other ship that we did
for sket for Massive.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Well, it wasn't Master Bill at the time.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
It was just me and Sasha and so went took
it to them.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
They love it. They ready to do it. So, you know,
Peter Bitting been hey, hey, hen I mean, I know Peter,
but I don't know. I'm like, so come on down, Ralph.
You know I need to talk to you. We're gonna
get this tech movie.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Who are you?

Speaker 1 (59:50):
I'm gonna joke, Peter, I'm only joking exactly. So, but
that was the deal that you know, Nas came in
and just clicked it and made it, made it happen.
My Nas in the room. I was like, I was like, yo,
Younas is like my my little big brother. So I'm like, bro,
I said the same ship you said and they act

(01:00:10):
like they hit me. You said it, and they were like, yeah,
this is great. Some kind of bullsh it is this, but.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Big up to Now that's the way it's supposed to be, though.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Man, yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know I did not
first video did that, and then you didn't you put
his ep K, which is really what got it, popping
that in the streets like that, because I mean, he
had a buzz. But when that ep K came out,
nobody ever did that before for video. That's what Yeah, basically,

(01:00:43):
like behind the scenes, the whole thing of the album,
all the producers are in it premiere Large l E
s Pete Rock, Q Tip versus. You know, it's everybody's
in the kreminal krim at the time at the time, right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
And we and we and them is on off produced
and were.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
In the projects, were in the building, you know, we're
walking around talking, you know. And and that was another
changing moment in hip hop because that was, you know,
a new era of different types of artists.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
You know, that was the changing in regards. Well, yeah,
that time and then.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
And then that that's how you wound up doing it
hard to tell. No, we were already doing yeah, you're right, yes, yeah,
they said, oh, he did a great job. Can you
do we got a video? This ain't have to tell.
There's another case of it's not a big budget because
they're not quite sure yet.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Columbia Records.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Oh really it was weird shakiness with his brother, you know,
big up Faith Newman and she's like, yo, you know
we we got you know, a little bit of money,
can you do that? Like, no, I'm already sold. This
is this is classic because he's buzzing crazy already. I
seen it with my own eyes in the clubs. Niggas
is fighting, it's working, shopping it, you know. And so

(01:02:00):
I'm like, all right, and so we did it. We
did that, and and then I wanted to do The
World Is Yours. That was the video that was like
cream to me. I'm not saying that, you know, ain't
it telling a big record? But when I heard I liked,
you know, the pianos swaitt. So you did Cream before that? No,

(01:02:20):
after that, yeah, but I mean I'm just saying like
that was the next single, The World Is I Believe?
And so yeah, it was just step by step mind
you also, I get that because I'm also dealing with
third Base.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
We did all the third Base videos MC Search, so.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
Then Back to the Grill Again had already came out
with Yeah, I mean third Base, and then then Search
had his own project. Search is the one who told
me back to the Grill Again has nas in it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Yeah, but he's the one who says, I got this
artist I'm working with nasty Nas because he was, yeah,
he was shopping and he was pumping it up, and
I'm like, okay, okay, And that's how the relationship becomes.
I know, Faith, Faith Newman. She used to be a
deaf jam she's you know, she's at Columbia now at
the time, So it was a deaf jam kind of
connection thing. And then you know, that's how it happened.

(01:03:10):
Seems like a lot of people were fighting for nads
to make sure he got as the finish line. Yeah, yeah,
how was it your relationship with Biggie. Biggie was a
funny dude. Man, this dude is a comedian. Man. We
in the what's the first interaction ever? Okay, first interaction
me and my man beasts. We had uh we was

(01:03:31):
on my tower used to be the Tower Records back
in the days of Record Store. And we on on Broadway,
No on, Yeah, on Broadway and uh ah street the carvel,
mister softie, mister softy. We're getting some ice cream. It's high.
So this girl comes up to us. She's like, Hi, Ralph,
I want to introduce you to Notorious b I g wow.

(01:03:53):
So I said, like that's what she said, like notorious big,
Like that's the hell of a name.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
I want to see this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
And so he's standing behind me and it's fat Chris
and I'm like, there's nothing that looks notorious about him
to me.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
So they were calling him notorious, Like even when people
are calling him big.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
That's what Yeah, she said, notorious b I g okay,
So he already had that name.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
So maybe it existed. Maybe that's what he wanted, and
so thank you. I'm looking at him and he's like,
what's up man?

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Yo?

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
You know I watch you on TV. He's a nice guy.
My god, So we we said, what's uping. I turned around,
I'm in to my man beast. I said, he look
like a notorious So six months later I see him
in's Brooklyn. Now like he's an incredible hope. Now he's

(01:04:46):
a different dude.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
I'm like, he.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Turned into that guy, morphed into that guy. He morphed
into that guy. But he is a funny ass dude. Man.
You know you go to clubs and you know, buying
drinks with girls. He's just he's a comedian, man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Do you know many people missing man because of just
the jokes. Man he's a he's and the and the lyricism,
you know, and the way he could tell the paint
a picture of it and he told a story like
like he does records.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
You He's like, Yo, this dude is hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
He can't stop laughing. But it's but it's really but
this shit really happened. It's like dark comedy, right, did you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Have you have something set up in a tunnel like
as soon as you walking.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Like a booth. Yeah, it wasn't No, that wasn't us
yeah flex Yeah, yeah, missed Excitement and Flex.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
What was what was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
One of the best clubs for you to film film? Man? Wow,
that's a good question. I would say, damn best clubs.
So many The Ark, the Arc in Brooklyn, so you know,

(01:06:06):
only Brooklyn, Well I shouldn't say only Brooklyn, but mostly Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
People know about the Arc.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
And that was another club that on any other night
it was Caribbean night, but when we did it was mixed.
It was more hip hop than Caribbean. And I brought
Mary J. Blige there first time she ever came to Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
I bought.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I remember Little Kim used to be there before she
had records out, and when she had record we brought
on stage.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Herself.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
And you know, all of these big name artists, you know,
like Shapa, super Cat would come. You know, that was
that era, the hip hop reggae era. Shaggy Shaggy used
to be there with us all the time. Like I
feel like, in fact, I did Shaggy's first video because
he was there all the time, which one the Carolina
Carolina Carolina that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Was That's a classic.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Yeah, And because he was there with us all the time,
like we hung out, you know, and went to the
diner afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
He had just come home from the service. He was
a marine. Yeah, marine yep. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
And then he you know, he's hanging out with us.
So and then you know, he sold ten million records
and you know he was I was like, what happened?
But yeah, but but yeah, all those artists, all those DJs.
I think about some of the DJs that we lost,
Lance and all these other guys that were just amazing guys.
And Bismarck he would dj. He would he came out

(01:07:30):
to DJ and in some of those times and he
would kill it. You know. It was it was a
good time. It was a good time in that in
that space, and then you could get robbed on the
way home. A matter of factly, I'm sorry, how did
you deal with I'm sure being the platform that you

(01:07:52):
had that was one of the few platforms at that
time for hip hop. Well, people have beef and wanted
to have a video that oh it was a beef.
It like, let's just say, let's go with Kris, like,
how did that era? Like how did you deal with that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Queens?

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Bitch hated me because.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
You have to play, So how do you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Manage those situations? And how did you manage that situation?
Because I was like, it was hip hop?

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Come on, stop playing you're like yo, every time I
played it, they was like, you're rock when we see
you on site?

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Was the real pressure on you?

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
For real? No? I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
I didn't take it like that, but you know, because
they knew Karris was doing this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
You know, it wasn't no getting around it. It was it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
But after while they're like, yo, you're playing it too much?

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Stop?

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Do you think is that what Drake and Kendrick is
going through right now? Right? It's too much, it's too much.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
I don't think he expected it still be gone?

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Who do you think that doesn't expect it? Drake or Kendrick?

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Drake?

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Probably probably Drake, maybe even I don't even know. I
don't know, man, this dude really thought about it when
he did. Because it's still going people taking it like
the anthem.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
You know, Yeah, Kendrick did some artic worship that was that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Was a pretty because I wasn't and when it was happening,
I wasn't really I'm not really paying attention to it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
It was a little bit after that, I'm like, what's
going on it what?

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
So I started listening, going back and listening to the
first song, the response, the first song, so I was like, Okay,
this is kind of serious.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Playing, right.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
I think the Kendrick Drake thing is definitely the modern
day version of Kars Shan.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
It's that impactful to hip hop. And like I remember
being that I was on Twitter that the moment that
those records started coming out, and it's like my wife
was like, yo, it's late, You're not going no, no,
it's just going down right now, like they dropping records
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
See.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
And that's the thing too, is that you knew it
was a streaming, you know, like I wasn't paying attention,
like I know those guys extream and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
But I was like, huh, well, I just happened to
be awake.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Had I gone to sleep, it would have it would
have passed me by it. I would have been a
little lost, right, but I just happened to catch a tweet.
I said, something's going on here right now, something, something's bubbling.
And then you just started these records started coming out
and it was meticulous, it was it was crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
And then the next day then you just I'm locked in now.
The next day, I'm following it. The next day, the
next day, I'm locked with That's the way you gotta be.
That's why you all are we all are.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
You see how crazy it is that you can do
something like that right now, like right now, just with this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
Right it's everything that you were doing took hours, hundreds
of man hours, right It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
It's crazy, just just like that, you know, and you
know we'd be like catch us at three thirty, you know,
catching nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
We're doing it right now in three minutes seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Do you think.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
That that act access to technology and to the audience
hurt hip hop? Like the fact that everybody now could
be an artist, everybody could be a producer, everybody could
be a director in real time, and they're not really artists,
they're not really directors, they not really producers.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
If you think that that hurts the art form, I
don't think it hurts it. I think it's the process.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
You know, we went through a process and just like
we've gone through processes before, from my VHS tapes to whatever,
you know, DVDs you know, to streaming now to whatever.
You know, everything is a process and it has We
don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow, right you know, somebody

(01:11:44):
could pop up with some new fly shit and all
the kids go, this is it and we all be like, oh,
what they're doing over there, and that's be the next
thing because hip hop always been young, not saying that
we can't participate in our own way because I still
you know, I'm trying to pay attention to what kids
is doing, but I'm not. It's not I'm not living

(01:12:05):
like them. I'm not out there, but you know, I
want to hear the hot ship. You know, what's what's
the hot ship? Like them? The kids forty one that
came out and they you know, drill music. As soon
as I heard it, I was like, this is they're
talking about? This is some hot ship? When are we
fucking again?

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
I was like this, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
But you know, not everything I don't feel the same,
you know, I felt about that. I called the dude
up and I was like, he's from Brooks Dan. He's like,
I said, yeah, yes, shit is fisial, man. I just
want to let you know that. Then he's talking. I
was like, Okay, that's enough. I'm way out of my lane.
Let me get back.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Never do a.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Like like like a new version of it was The
Box where it's a whole new young young people raise
and it's all about the new music.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Wohenld you do something like that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
That's what the movie the movie was based on.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Okay, wow, yeah wow, And I didn't never thought about
doing it in real life, right, but I think it
could be dope.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
But why would it have to be just about current
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
I'm saying that that the show is original show because
right now he can do that same show, like hire
somebody like you know you mean to be him and
be there and you can really put that like real Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
I see, I can see it maybe on an app
or something.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
I might pass through the room every once in a
while and go like that, right and the little niggas
doing whatever they're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because you could really have somebody really
do that in.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Real time, like it sounds like an OI.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Think about it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Looks all these people that might be who submits videos
right now, and it's it's watered down because it's not
a fly show that because like if it's if it's
on the show, you know that this is taste from
this is a fish.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
And there's no filter we have, Like I'm saying, there's
nobody saying that, Like I'm talking about gate Keep. I'm
saying people of the culture saying, all right, we gotta
we gotta put some parameters on this. Yeah, yeah, no
that I think that's right because right now, anybody could
just upload the Spotify upload your hair uploads.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Now this is a flap flatform.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
But if you make them have this whole history video
music right and you have no filter.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
When I first time I said your sexy red is hot,
and everybody's like, what are you crazy, I'm like telling you, man,
what what what happens? I know that I know, I
know that you know her for real?

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Oh you know a little girls just like that.

Speaker 7 (01:14:39):
I know that girl girl playing she knows it's hilarious,
noting she don't want to hear none of us, sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
About that's all. That's a little good.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
But did you know, like literally I know I'd be
touched on this earlier. But did you know he was
making history while you was making.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
History, not till maybe like ten years and like when
we started getting like bigger names coming to the show,
Like when Will Smith, well that was early in the game,
but when Will Smith and Jazzy Jeff came off the
elevator because we just have elevated right right as soon
as you walk in you went our office and I
was like Will Smith and you know Jazzy Jeff in

(01:15:28):
the Freshmans, Okay, then then Damon and Jay z R.
I'm like, okay, these dudes is coming to us, were
in their mind in our business, you know, bringing you know,
bottles and stuff. I'm like, they all have bottles they
don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
That's when we and then used to be difficult to
get artists. Now it's not as difficult. What do you
mean difficult, like because the artists wouldn't be You think
people didn't want to be on there were camera shot no, no, no,
they just we would can we get them? Were asking
for a free show. We're playing the video he's doing
to do the free show ship. Even back then they

(01:16:13):
were saying that sometimes that's crazy. Yeah, so you know,
we were just you know, okay. But the biggest party
I had was big and jay Z were hosting it
my birthday. Wow, this is right ready to die is out.
It's already a hit. But you know, if he didn't
really get to check yet, you could tell that it
was coming. He's he was still a little humble, right,

(01:16:36):
And Puff goes, I'm like, puff Man, need him to
come to the birthday. He's the hottest dude out. And
Puff goes, Oh, that's a lot. I said, come on, man,
I've seen him at the Mister Softy Truck, like just.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
A couple of months back.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
We're cool and and and and he came, and he
stayed the whole time, and you know, and then we
played Get Money.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
We played Jimior Mafia Get which was helping him.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
He's launching that, and and then he starts to performing
It's on It's on the line.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Could you look it up?

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Jay Z and Biggie perform one of the only times
you see them perform.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
And Jay came on stage at the time because anywhere
we're big one, Jay was you know, Jay was there
first actually, and Jay came because Foxy was there too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
It was a crazy night. It was my birthday. Mister
Biggs is there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Ron Eisley, Wow, here, Ice Tea's over here, Big and
Jay's on stage, Foxy Joe the singer Joe Wow. It
was a crazy night. And and you know, and so
that's when we knew we was good. People were coming.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
It took you for that to happen and know that
he was doing something special.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
I mean, I'm talking about the industry. I never cared
about the industry. That's a separate entity. I always tell people,
let's up from hip hop. The only thing I care
about is the street because if the streets is not
fucking with me, then I gotta fix my ship because
I'm I'm not doing it right right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
And I always got loved on the street. I don't
care where where I was at.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
I was in Left Rack, if I was in Harlem,
if I'm in Newark, East Orange, Trenton, New Jersey, Camden,
I don't give it damn where.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
I was at.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
We was like, yo, ship raph McDaniels, Yo, my nigga
Let start talking. They get happy, and I'm like, all right,
so shout outs. Can I get a shout out? Let
me write it down and then you do it right.
They didn't see you like months later.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
That was like the first follow somebody like, that's the
first follow shot somebody life.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Man, it meant a whole lot to them. You can
see it in their face and then you know, like
they'll never forget. There's a story when this dude stole
my car. You don't know if you ever heard that
one your car. I stole my jeep. I had a
like a wrangler jeep. Brother and I went to to
to dinner. When my wife came back, the car was
going came back to my house and I drove her car.

(01:19:14):
Came back to my cars. Yeah, I know, I parked
the car. He boom, But I still on the ground
see glass. I said, oh shit, I just stole my ship.
Go upstairs, sitting there and done. We're trying to figure
it out. My phone rings. Dude, He's like, yo, man,
this Ralph mcdann's. I said yes. He said, yeah, we
got your we got your jeep. I said okay. So

(01:19:36):
he's like, you know you can come get it. This
is in Brooklyn. Were in such and such and such
and such in Brownsville. Ain't thinking Brownsville tricky? So I said,
I I'm not trying to punk out. Yeah, all right,
I'm coming over there right now. Don't bring no cops.
I ain't bring no cops. We're coming over there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Right now, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
So I called my man beast, my rest in peace,
my friend handsome. We go over there, right I get out.
My wife is like, you ain't leaving me in the house.
I'm going with you. I said, you can't go supposed
to shit goes wrong. He's like, no, well, I'd rather
be there and then over here. So I said, all right,
so she's more equal. She she's in the in the car.

(01:20:20):
I get out the car. I'm standing in the middle
of the street. This is one of the darkest blocks
I ever seen. I forgot about this block in Brooklyn.
I'm like, okay, I'm standing there. I don't see. Nothing
is quiet. It's like a movie. Because this dude sitting
on the step on the on the on the stool.
So I was like, warriors, right, I'm looking at him.

(01:20:40):
He don't look at me. I'm just in I'm out
there for at least ten minutes. Then he goes, you're Ralph,
but tell me he sat there. He didn't say nothing.
I said, yeah, he said that was me who called you.
I said, all right, Yo, what's up? He said, yeah,
my boys took your shit and I got it back
for you. So I said all right. So he said, Yo, man,

(01:21:03):
you know my man such and such and such and such,
and you know we be we be at the parties. Man.
You know, he said, I'm telling you how this shit
work because these dudes they buy, they they still calls
and then they bring it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Then I get them money for it. So I said, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
He said, but I've seen your name and kept business
cards and all kinds of stuff coming up. I like, then,
I mean, then your flyers must be your ship. So nah,
we can't take ralph shit. We gotta give it back
to him. So I said, all right. So I'm waiting
on what's what it back or not? Right, Come on

(01:21:37):
around the block. Now this is a dark now there's
no lights on his block. So I said, it's what
it gets tricky. We're gonna be tasseling in the streets
because I'm not I'm gonna going punking out. I'm gonna
get my shoes and get anything. Keep it moving. Went
around the corner, said there's my car sitting there. They
had taken the speakers out and everything. They ripped everything out, damn,
and the dude gave it back to me. Still to

(01:21:59):
this day, I see my man that, you know, some
of the spots in Brooklyn, and and he and he,
me and him became friends, and we're good people. And
become friends with everybody you got beef with.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
You know, it's the easy way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Better friends than not.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Uh, I'm done, I got let me go think a friend.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
I wait you to come back. It is good.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
So what is what? What is one of your favorite
moments in video music box history?

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Man, the biggest, my best favorite moments, I think you know,
probably fresh Fest was a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
And that was early in eighty five.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
You know, I take to all of the summer jams
because I was working there at the time. The only
one I didn't tape. And we said, all of the
summer jazz, Yeah, from like up till now, yeah, from
like at least okay, maybe they have twenty five I
at least seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
They're like wow, And.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
And I just knew it was important to take these
things like, you know, I wasn't thinking about content. I
was thinking about I mean, I'm not even think about
content on my show at that time, but I was
also thinking about this is a history and it needs
to be documented. And so I taped all of those,
all of them, like them them, Toya, Kanye and Jay

(01:23:33):
and you know, all of y'all, you know everything that
was important. So I'm glad that I have documented that
that we can look at that and do whatever for future.
And then there's the other stuff, like you know, the fashion,
you know, you know Benny, the jewelers and those kinds

(01:23:56):
of things to go into little spots and when Cats
is making the jewelry and you know, we got to
meet them and fooboo. First time you ever heard it
food was on video music bi wow. I never heard
of that before. The dude Damon came and and and
my man Keith and Keith working with my mother and said, Yo,

(01:24:18):
this kid that works with me, he got clothing line
called fool. So I said, I didn't know what it meant,
So what does that mean? It's like for us?

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
By us?

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
I was like, what fire fire, That's the most incredible
thing I ever heard.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Come on, we're gonna put it on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Put it on the show, I said, where y'all got
these clothes at They were like everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
They were like, nah, just on the alf.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
When Jamaica app in the coliseum, I said, right, well,
you'll about to get some more because once Peop put
it on video music box, it's gonna be popping. So
they was looking at me like and then Damon said, yo,
you wasn't lying. People calling from all over the place.
We want to get our shirts. Yeah, So that was
that was a breakthrough because then we started creating fashion

(01:25:02):
shows for people like Damon John and them. So you know,
April Walker, she's putting clothes on, you know, she's doing
you know, a bit big. You know, all these different people,
Sewan John or Rockaway.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
Remember everybody had.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Cloth platform, the refugee line, the Biggie had Brooklyn Mint, right, Yeah,
everybody had clothing line.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
After while, it kind of got stupid after a while.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
That's enough, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
But but we gave them a lane to do something,
and we created this show because Fashion Week was fronting
on all of those clothing lines. Only one that could
buy their way in was Russell Simmons because he had
death ly have.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Money for fat Farm, right, fat farm right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
But everybody else was getting front of on her and
so we said, I'm saying, I'm gonna We're gonna create
our own fashion show just for the hip hop ship
at the same time they do Fashion Week. That's smart
the same time, so we get the same models.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
Tyson realized that you just said that you would do
your fashion shows the same time fashion week.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
That's smart. That was smart.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
I remember seeing that, but I ain't realized.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
You know what, you know what fashion it was because
you wasn't supposed to know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
They weren't biting.

Speaker 5 (01:26:23):
Because it would look like it's synonymous with fashion week.
So if you knew or you didn't know, it works.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
You know they worked.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
But you know, that's we figure out ways. That's hip hop.
We figure out ways to be creative and do something
that's going to be, you know, helpful for us, because
that's my job to think. You know, whatever I did,
y'all don't have to go through Drink Champs. Don't have
to go through the facts what drink Champs does. The
next nigga don't have to go to it. But we

(01:26:50):
already did it. But fam so you usually been here.
Just think about this, hey man, you don't used to
have way more bottles up here before we did.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
We're getting older and we're here.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
All right.

Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
So this is the game. This is this is our
drinking game. We're gonna give you two choices. If you
pick one, nobody drinks. Okay, easy. If I pick one nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
If you pick one of the two choices, if you
say neither of them or both of them, which would
be the PC answer, we're all drinking. We all take
a shot. You could take a sip, whatever you want.
If you want a shot, up to you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
No Hennessy today.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Okay, so you want him to be her designated drink.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
I've been waiting to drinking. I'm drinking with you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
It's ready, yep, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
First one, Damn ad Love or Fab five par crazy
ed Love. That's my man for queens, little around corner
from me. Fab is my man too, but ed love him.

Speaker 5 (01:28:03):
And any stories with anybody we mentioned police because this
is all about just let me tell you talk your memory.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Fab five.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Freddie is one of the most amazing type dudes that
ever you could ever meet.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
This like the ambassador of to the world.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
When you go and hang with Freddie, because he's going
to introduce you to some intellectual type people, right that
you don't know, right, but you should know. And and
and that's what I appreciate about fab Man is that
this guy is just like a hip hop statesman.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
You know, he's worldly. He knows this shit.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
He knows about the music, he knows about the quality
of you know, the cloth.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
You know, he's that type of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Documentary on him.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Yeah, it's going to happen.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
It's going to happen because he's an interesting individual.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
But Ed is my man from from around the world.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
We just had him, and it's perfect that you're here
right after him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Ed used to be the security guard at the high school.
We tell that part he left out secure.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Are you gonna lift that hard?

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Andrew Jackson High School?

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
El coo J or Big Daddy Kane?

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
Well, hm hm, I get up my shots ready in
case you say something.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Can you get it?

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Jamie got his shots? Come on, Jamie, I'm gonna go
with Big Daddy Kane on that one, you know, And
that's you know, oh yeah, clearly, Yello cooj is you're
not drinking.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Catalog is amazing se for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
But you know, I've been in the Brooklyn clubs when
that Cane comes on, and the whole ruckus starts with
the rat of Cane comes on and niggas start fighting,
like yes.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Now, so you're picking Kane, right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
I'm picking Caine just because I'm aggressive one D M
C or the Beastie Boys, Yeah, I mean Fox and
then on too fifth shooting the gifts right, Rock sand
Chante or Money Love.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Chante. Chantey's my girl.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Man, you are terrible at these questions. Is money is?
But he's gonna say.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
He's in my video, my documentary.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
He was one of the last edits that we put
in there and there was something we did on on Instagram,
So big up money, yeah, Guru or Scarface rect of Peace.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
You know, Scarface is amazing, dude, very.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Well right now because I know he was going to
going through some health issues. I hope he's well. Man,
he's going through some health issues. We need, we need scarfaces. Yeah, yeah,
he's just now. When I realized how good Scarface was
and I saw him in Rock him interacting, you know,
and you know hip hop thing is rock him is
you know, like, I'm not sleeping on you, fam, I'm

(01:30:57):
I'm paying attention to you, Scarface, Like I could see
that years year and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
This because they were both the recipients.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
Right, so I like rock him. It's respectfully keep an
eye on you, bro, because I know that you can do.
I know what you're capable of doing. Face is one
of the illness, man, But I'm going to go with Guru.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
Okay, d m X or jay Z jay Z.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Swiss speeds are Timbaland Swiss speeds.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Yeah, every d MX right, Queen the teeth for MC like,
oh like she's off the block, mob deep or m
O P.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
I can't make a decision on it, so you can
make sunny drink. I'll drink with cheers brothers. Yeah, I
can't make a decisions all right, Meal Brookelyn Queeneens Jendakis
are nas nas Bigge Smalls a big L Biggy. Did

(01:32:18):
you ever interact with Big L rest in pieces big
d I t C Yeah, man, he was just you know,
I mean, Lord Finesse is a beast, a beast back
in we need Lord Finesse on drink champs. But oh yeah, yeah, man,
I got big and that's what Big L was looking at. Finesse,

(01:32:42):
Big pun or O d B wow rest in peace
fun But okay Wu tang or n w a Whu
tang radio podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Radio because I'm a radio Yeah, grew up on radio.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Yeah that m TV Raps Raps or b T the Basement,
Rap City, the Basement, b T the Basement. Big ticket
was hot. That was that was official ticket. Don't get
enough credit for you know you're yeah for you know,
curating that because he did so many amazing freestyles and

(01:33:28):
artists really wanted to do it. I felt like when
they came on on on his on that show. I
don't know if it was b E T putting that together,
but I feel like Tiga started off as a dancer. Really,
I didn't know that tickets in Tiga is in where
he tickets from the Bronx. Really yeah, tickets in a

(01:33:51):
video I directed called Sally by steps of signing, not
Sally that girl from no that tell you thinking of
a girl named Sally, what your crewing on her name is?

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
The sonic Sally is?

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Yeah, Okay, it's a different.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
And they're in the barber shop. If you look at
the barber shop, they're all sitting in the chair getting
their haircut and there's some guys. This is when dancers
was in videos right right in all videos, that's Ticket
because Wow, the girl Sheryl that worked with me at
the time producing, she knew him from the Bronx and
she was like, he wants to he wants to be
in the video. And I was like, I didn't. He
wasn't Ticket yet, you know. But he was a cool guy,

(01:34:29):
you know, he was like, you know what like dancers,
you know, they could they knew how to talk. And
I'm like, he knew how to dance. So I said,
all right, we're gonna put him in the video. And
that's that's how I first met him.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
Wow. Fun fact.

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
I was the first Florida DJ on Rhapsody on the Basement. Yeah,
you know they had the DJ always with him. Yes,
I was the first Floridian DJ to I didn't realize
they had guest DJs.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Yeah, and you know who put me on just though,
Oh man, he is the one who connected me to
be to get that opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
I got a lot of those, those those the award shows.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
Yeah, and I won an award you remember one with
Case Slay, Yeah fighting Oh the US name Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
I think it was from from Far Rockaway.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
Was it the year that I won an award the
year that fifty Cent won his Mixtape Award.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Case the dude said, Case Case.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
He said, you're not a real DJ to Case Slay,
and Case Slay was like what, And I'm interviewing him
at the same time, So the dude comes out far
rockaway Harlem. It's the next thing I know, k is
like trying to get his body around. I know he's
about to do He's gonna snuf him because he's because
I'm in the way. So he's trying to get him

(01:35:42):
himself around. But his man, oh no, it wasn't the case.
His man comes up, punches the dude and then the
next thing that everybody's flying around, falling the floor and
stuff is Case was a super legend man, Case Lady
from Wild Style. He's in Wild Style, man, Yeah, that's
wild Case Slay. Case Slave would be said anytime Ralph Calm.

(01:36:04):
These niggas get too excited, man, because they see that
camera and ship Soul Trained. What you didn't even put
anything after that, mister Lee. You just let the blanks.
So Soul Trained or blank trainer American American bandstand.

Speaker 5 (01:36:23):
Mister Lee, you are terrible at this Soul Trainer Sunny DPT,
Soul Trainer, Netflix.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
Great Great, the Great Don Cornillias, whoever could go with
the Great donn the first time a lot of people
saw hip hop too. Yeah, and Don really wasn't a
fan of no hip hop. He was like nobody wasn't
that time. He was like, really hip hop ship, niggas

(01:36:55):
take that ship back to you because it was in
La where they shot that show.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
Really, yeah, Soul Trained, I didn't know it was in La.
Mm hmm, it was in La.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
It was like, no, we're not feeling Big Loue, the
dude who used to be the big light skin dude.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
He and be in the front.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
He's the one who bought all the hip hop to Donne. Eighties,
orties hip hop, nineties boom Back Street Corner. It was
the most authentic time it was to listen to Nordy
said something that actually really happened.

Speaker 5 (01:37:25):
Sometimes you feel like nineties hip hop reflected the reality
of what was going on.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
I feel like it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
Yeah, eighties was, you know, fun, some of it was
made up, a lot of it was made up, But
nineties was like.

Speaker 5 (01:37:40):
I feel like that late eighties going into the midnight
was the best era.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
B Street versus Wild Style, Wild Style Michael Jackson or
Prince Michael Jackson. Did you ever meet anil No, he
thought Prince. Yes, Prince, I met Prince News. There's a
spot in New York for news Member News.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Street Prince spot. I think that was.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
I don't think he owned it, but he would just.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Name dashboard it or something like that. Maybe Okay, So.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
He would just show up there like two o'clock in
the morning with his guitar and he does that. People
were starting because I'll be getting ready to go. He
was like, I'm going, don't go, Prince is getting ready
to come.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
Prince.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Yeah, you just come in there and float it. Yeah. Yeah,
all the women go crazy. Met the Man of red
Man Nothing Man. I love red Man, Brick City clips
or e p m d oh e p m d

(01:38:46):
you asked her everything?

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
Come on. I mean like.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
Rock Kim and the rest one. Rock Kim is my
favorite artist, so I gotta go. Rock can kicking pria
Red Alert read Alert. I love kicking for you, but
Red Alert, I mean the amount of work that Red
put on on that radio. And that's not a hard
that's not an easy thing to do. He broke a
lot of grounds different from playing in the clubs, right,

(01:39:12):
you know, but on that radio, you fitting them records
into that little hour or whatever time you got that
rush hour mix. He changed a lot, He changed a
lot and keeping it funky at the same time. Yeah,
Drake or Kendrick. I'm a Drake fan. Yeah, I like Drake.

(01:39:36):
I went to see Drake and concert. Really to this thing,
I ain't mad at Yeah, ship flying around the arena.
This is like Funkadelic up in the head, the baby
worth a little baby, the baby Okay, funky. Loyalty or respect, respect,

(01:39:59):
I'm good with the respect you gotta be. You know,
you can go over there and talk salut nicks, thank
you for your thank you for your service. Back then
news playing videos, was there a censorship everything. You couldn't

(01:40:24):
say the N word, for sure. Could you curse? No,
not on TV because we were under FCC rules, So
you can't curse certain things. You know, you're not supposed
to do sexuals, you know things and so yeah, so
you basically that was it. I mean we now compared

(01:40:48):
to now, it's much more strict now to me, the
rules of what you can say on TV. Yeah, regularly
I thought they got cable because sometimes you might be
watching cable. Everybody confuses it now because you're so used
to well, you're watching stream and it's not the edited

(01:41:09):
version of it like NBC Live coming on TV. It's
not like you're watching you know, super Bowl or some
ship like that, which a live show. They you can't
say a lot of things. I mean in commentary, you
can't talk about politically be politically incorrect even.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
But I feel like they're loose with the cursing.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
No, I think you're talking about when you're watching on
the streams, not.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
On regular, not on regular.

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
Really you ain't gonna hea fu shit, No, no, no, no,
not that. And I'm not saying that, but they just looser.
Was some like innuendos than they would have been before.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Before.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
It seemed like way more strict, way more like what's
it fresh Stafford. They were wild back then. Oh yes,
it was I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
Get that ship and our Bundy, something that our Bundy?

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Oh what's man?

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
All in the family?

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Archie Bunker was wild, like yo.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
Wild, right and and and that's that show was a
groundbreaking and it was actually no show like that, right
there was actually people think it's bad but there was
actually grown addressing because I lived on a block with
the dude right next to me was Archie Bunker. The
only time we ever talked was about the Mets. But

(01:42:34):
I mean, and I'd be like he'd be having to
transistor radio outside. He would he would look at me
like he hated me. But if I go your what's
the score? They're winning seven to three? And then the
bow just said a base said, you know he aloud,
he talked about sports other than that, Wow, keep it moving,

(01:42:54):
my Negro Mets of the Yankees, Mets you met.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
Yeah, I Mets mess from nineteen sixty nine. I just
just right now, I just threw out the first Jesus,
sound like your hands were what bro.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
I just threw out the first pitch at City Field.
I was number twenty one, which is don I mean
Cleon Jones, which is when I was a kid. Cleon
Jones was the outfielder I think played left field. He
was a rookie of the Year. And I threw out
the first pitch. I never and they called me. I
wasn't like I was promoting you trying to get it.
They were like, would you be interested in throwing out

(01:43:31):
the first pitch. I think, yeah, well deserved. Yeah, I
was like what I said, Yeah, I'm coming, whatday, what time?

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
And so yeah, big up to the Mets.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
The source of Well Vibe magazine.

Speaker 5 (01:43:58):
Source, what do you think of hip hop media in general?
Coming from where you come from? Like where do you
think they took it or mistook it? I think that
the source early days was dope. It was all about
the music. I think that if I can remember, it
was all about the music. It wasn't someone's.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
Opinion, right, it was like just doing something, you know,
like I was all DJ first, so I just wanted
to learn about the music, like who produced it, where
did they record it at?

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
What would you mean when you said this, what do
you mean the dune?

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
The source was doing that early on, right, what is
the dun language? What are they talking about? The you know,
I want to know, you know, I think I know
what I don't really know. So I wanted to know
that type of information. But when you know, sometimes it
became I mean, it had to go somewhere. I guess
they had to keep people picking up the magazine. So

(01:44:56):
it becomes controversial, you know, and somebody up with a
story and and we and it's not a positive story.
It's all negatives. Now we're looking for the negative. The
clickbait riot. Before this clicking was it was happening in
the magazines. First you put whoever on the cover. Oh shit,

(01:45:16):
Snoop Dog didn't he killed somebody, Let's go pick it up.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
They got people.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
See who blamed the Vibe magazine for for.

Speaker 5 (01:45:22):
The East coast West coast, which was not really east
coast West coast, right, I've heard before, Yeah, because I
was going back and forth.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
I had an office in LA. I didn't have no problem.
I mean, not that I'm an artist, but you know,
I didn't see that. But I'm not you know, it's
not like I was, you know, on Crenshaw either. I
was staying he was a good I was over here,
but you know, it wasn't like I was in Brooklyn

(01:45:50):
and not to hear nobody saying, oh I hate Snoop
Dogg or I hate Doctor Dray.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
Nobody was saying that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
Nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
Nobody was saying that, like, no, we fuck with everybody,
you know. That's the thing, you know, And I think
people start to read one person says it, and then
they think that the whole city thinks like that. I'm like, no,
it's not true.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
And says it on a loudspeaker radio or whatever, even
like outcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
You know when Andre three thousands said, you know, the
say like, Bro, we play it. We've been playing your
records in New York. Maybe one of the radio stations
didn't play it. That's not the city we've been messing
with you man. You know, like, I'm like, Bro, I
thought you was from Brooklyn where you first came out.

(01:46:36):
You look at the first record, Southern playlistic. I was
like youngs had on St. John's jerseys and all kinds.
I'm like this, like where are they from? Until they
started talking that, I was like, well, maybe they're not
from New York, but they felt like New York. So
when he said that, I was, come on, it's not true. No,
But I mean that was the sentiment. That's what we

(01:46:58):
talk about all the time here.

Speaker 5 (01:47:01):
That was a sentiment like for people in the in
the South or from other parts of not being New York.
New York was gatekeeping a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
At that time. That's the way we felt. That's the
way we felt. Understand right, it wasn't it wasn't no,
But don't maybe not everybody, but not everybody like, not
everybody like. I think the average person was showing love
like everybody in hip hop was like over wall hip hop.
But if the people in the industry, the ones that

(01:47:33):
were gatekeeping that were saying, no, you don't sound like us,
or you don't sound like that, you're not from here,
you're not from that, and they were suppressing certain things.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
I agree the people in the industry.

Speaker 5 (01:47:44):
In the industry, I'm not saying hip hop, but the
industry that was monetizing hip hop was doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
Yeah, because we you know, like I said, we go
back to I don't give a damn what the industry
say about me. Many times I wasn't invited to ship
or you know, I wasn't down or whatever. I never
got no whatever award, this and this and that. I
could care less. Meet me in Brooklyn on Foot Street
and we see who get the love, right, I don't
give you got planning records, nigga, come on, meet me outside.

(01:48:14):
And so that was it, you know. And now once
I you know, I was comfortable with that, I'm good,
I'm okay, I'm all right. What do you think about
the celebration of hip hop fifty. I was part of it,
you know, I was part of it from the beginning.
The original idea was to have that concert in Central Park,

(01:48:36):
and we couldn't do it because Central Park. You couldn't
do a concert at that particular date in Central Park,
and so we weren't allowed to do it, and so
Live Nation took over it, and and.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
That was it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
We went outdas It's lidation takes over me. You know,
they got the relationships to do what they do, you
know what I'm saying. That was Yeah, and what did
that wind up doing? The Yankee Stadium? That was bast
Field Joint. Yeah, so Yankee Stadium. You know, Peter was
there the whole time. We were having to meet Peter
bitt Bend and we were talking about Central Park and

(01:49:15):
then it didn't happen. And then Peter called me and
I'm gonna do it at Yankee Stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
And I was like, when who told when?

Speaker 1 (01:49:24):
Is? When did this happen? He said today? Does everybody know?
Because it was a committee? He was I don't think
it was a whole committee. And Peter said, I'm going
to do it Yanke. Does everybody know that? Yeah, they'll
know tomorrow's tomorrow, Peter, I love you, yeah, but this

(01:49:45):
is this is, this is that's the where I went.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
And that was it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
So we you know, I think Peter did a great
job and holding it together because it could have went left,
could have when he did a good job and holding
it together. And the fact that Nas was there. Nobody's
going front and run DMC together together. They don't even
do shows like that. And and you got Lil Wayne there,

(01:50:12):
you know, you had Snoop camera was there, right, so
you know it had you know, it was in the
Bronx and that was the best part of it.

Speaker 5 (01:50:22):
You can't put the weight of the whole culture or
the anniversary of fiftieth on that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
Everybody has to be a part of it, k their part.

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
KRS once said, I don't want to do it because
it should be free for everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
For the Bronx.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
And I'm not mad at that either, right, That's what
krus One said. Didn't want to I'd he did. He
came out with that Joe, but he didn't want to
be billed. Okay, he said, I'm you know, I'll come
out with Joe, but it should be free, Ralph for
the community.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
I said, right, But how we're gonna pay for this.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Wasn't come from and did you have answers to that? I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
He felt like he probably could come together with it,
but I don't think the timing of it, we didn't
have enough time to start figuring out. Then, clearly Yankee
Stadium's got sponsors, Live Nations got sponsors. Nobody made no
money off of it. It was just to pay for
the event and to get everybody there and have a
nice production. So let's pig you up, rob Man.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
Let you know.

Speaker 4 (01:51:26):
You are to the coach and we want to give
your flowers. Man, face to face man, a man, tell
you how great you are.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
Man. We know what you did for us, for the coaching,
for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
If it wasn't for you, it wouldn't be us.

Speaker 1 (01:51:36):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:51:36):
So we want you to the salute you man, face
to face man, the man. They told me you got
to fight the catch. You know what I'm saying.

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