Episode 448 w/ Will Smith

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
He's a legendary queens rapper.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
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Speaker 3 (00:55):
When we started the show, we said that there wasn't
an outlet for people who has been seasoned in this game,
for people who have been ten years or more with
the person that we're about to introduce. The person that
we're talking about. Not only is he season he's making
look good.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
He has dominated every world for when you talk about
with your parents not understanding, to sitcoms to movies, to
dominating goddamn gumming on a goddamn plane. Preach this, motherfucking
don't gear. He is the potential when you think of

(01:30):
black excellence. When you think of a person who came
from the hood and made it somewhere and kept going.
This is the fucking picture you should see in the
dictionary for not just black people, for ally more throughout
the world, for people who made it from the bottle
and really, really, really made it to the top.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
This man has dominated so many feels. We are proud
of him. We are happy to have him on the show.
In case you don't know what we're talking about, we're.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Talking about I'm about to say, fresh Prince. That's That's
where I'm going with you. Yes, we take it, Anna say,
but you can't forget we're in Philly. Philly, by the way,
let me just tell you something.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I'm gonna be honest with you, and I know some
people from Philly gonna question this.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
This this is what I'm about to say. Well, just
be careful because you still yeah I am. You don't
know what about to say I am Because, first of
Philly is my.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Number one market from me being from New York and
even in drink Champs, I believe it's always been on
top five mark. But this is the first time ever
I flew to Philly and I've seen clear blue Water.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, I was like, did Will Smith by.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
This?

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Mother? A? I phil Blue Water? Like, I mean, come,
I'm coming from Miami coming. I was like, did you
buy some ship? You know, because I knew ya was coming? Switch?
We hit this swit. We hit the switch when when
luminaries coming, you got a street named after you? Congratulations? Man.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
See, are people not only when they get a street
named after them, but most of the time it's always
after they pass away, and most of the time almost
after like they reached their glory days.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
And it's like kind of like when they reached it,
like you're on top for sure, you're not dead, You're
not that you're well alive. A couple of days last year,
I wish I was, so, how does this happen? May
I calls you and what do they say? So, you know,
Charlie Max, Charlie, that's my dude, and you know he's

(03:44):
really connected with the city and stuff like that. So he's, uh,
you know, he's always pushing for stuff like that. That's
my that's my day one ride or die, you know.
So they made contact and you know, it's funny. It
was like really changely emotional for me. It's like, you know,
because I want awards and stuff like that. But the

(04:07):
it's a it's a street named after me in front
of my high school. It hits this right, so and
and it hit real different and my mom is sitting
there and the mayor presents it, you know, and it
was like and it's called will Smith Way, right, and
it really it really hit me with the idea of
like what is the will Smith Way that kids are

(04:29):
gonna come out and cross the bridge and think about
the will Smith Way? That was? That was so do
you think that? Do you think your your neighborhood will
have crime in it? Or you're gonna We're gonna put
we ended that's right. We only only elevated. We only

(04:51):
we only elevated. Were learning and growing and evolving. So
I'm a bounce around a little bit. I'm gonna have
a drink. Drink what they got what they put in here? Okay,
I don't know some will smips. I'm just letting you know.
I was like I would say, you know, I to
do like drink champs. I wanted to sit with y'all
like I'm a drink chump. So we get the lit'sten.

(05:14):
We're gonna phrase that I'm gonna be let's yeah, it ain't.
I'm gonna be no good one. Drink. Okay, we have
a beautiful Philly bartender here, So would you like to
serve with Will Smith?

Speaker 5 (05:28):
Drink?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Okay, keep it real. What's your name, Amanda? How you doing? Man?
Just so so we go, okay, all right, boom, we're
gonna bounce some right. Do you realize.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
It might be my opinion, but I believe everyone else
and in here is probably gonna say the same thing.
Bad Boys franchise might be the best franchise in movie history.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Mmm. Okay, I'll take that. I'll take that. That's definitely
your opinion. You know some people go disagree, Well, name
somebody who would just we're only talking golf. We only
talk the god Oh, the Godfather. We only talk Godfather
for sure, God, because that's all seriousness. They were throwing.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Fishes and ship if y'all was throwing fish and somebody
you know, like, yeah, we we have that.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well we're gonna add some fish next time, be up
there with the Godfather. But okay, it's hard to do
what we did in Bad Boys. The one thing I'm
gonna get that I'm gonna give us because you know,
I can't say it about myself, but I can't. I
do agree with you. I agree y yeah. But like
twenty seven years after Bad Boys Too, like to be

(06:44):
able to do a third one twenty seven years later,
and then be able to do a fourth movie and
they all are increasing in in the box office success.
That's that's hard to do. That's hard to do it.
That's how I realized how dope it was. And I
realized how good you was the actor when I realized
you got DJ college and promot. That's true. You're just

(07:12):
going that. I can take it. He's Collage, very funny.
So on on on Bad Boys three, calid. You know,
he was having a hard time with his lines and
stuff like that. So on Bad Boys four, he decided
he was going to be perfect. So he's stating character.

(07:35):
So he was. I was like, yo, so listen, like
in the in the parking lot, coming into work, I was, Yo, Cali,
what's up? What's uping? Yo? Hey, what's up. He's stayed
in character for like two weeks. I didn't see him
out of character. I was like, Callage, you're doing a lot.

(07:55):
It's just it's Bad Boys you don't have to do
method active for boys. He stayed in there hard though,
but he did a He did a really he did
a good job. Like the I've watched the movie in
ten countries and when Cali comes on camera around the world,
audience is like they just he got a thing. People

(08:17):
just love seeing them. So as my friend Capone walked
in from Copona and Noriega and I'm thinking about.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Odd Legacies are one of the first records on the album.
By the way, you was starting on the album, Yo.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yo, I'm listening to that. I'm like, Yo, you're trying
to show you. I feel like I feelve you had
something to prove. Yeah, no, I have more than something
to prove. I had something to say, right, And you know,
I felt like the first track on the album is
called uh Shop interior barbershop. There he was having fun

(08:54):
on that. I was having fun, right, So what I
wanted was like, you know, let everybody know, I know
what job saying someone reminded me of somewhat what eminem did,
like everything about so no one can say right, absolutely
continue because it was based on Eddie Murphy's barbershop scene
from Coming to America, right, So I played three characters

(09:17):
on the track, Jeff play one and be some mom.
Uh played a character. But what I wanted to do
was to really to set it to rap. So the
people are talking, but they're talking in rhyme form lines
back and forth. So I wanted it to be a
really unique, uh kind of creation where I got to

(09:37):
just say everything that I wanted to say. Uh. It's
like it's in the back of people's mind. So first track,
I want to get it out so we can, you know,
open up to talk about what I want to talk about.
Intro right into the track, like Abby Dabby, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
So let me ask you. We're standing the burn the forest,

(10:00):
in a burning forest. Didn't know where I'm going, Yeah, okay,
we a burning burning forest. You got one bottle of water.
One bottle of water. This one bottle of water to
saved somebody. But you got two choices. You got Martin
Lawrence there, damn, and then you got Jazzy Jeff. Damn.
Wow ended out for me. Damn. It's Martin Lawrence and

(10:22):
Jazzy Jeff and it's one bottle of water. I heave
that bitch in the forest and we all die. Together.
I'm gonna say about that component fn I did not
have to answer. God, I'm like, yeah, no way, ain't,
no way, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be able to live
with myself either way. We are, We're gonna all end

(10:43):
it right now.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Okay, So let's let's speak about Jazzy Jeff, right, because
that relationship to me, yeah, man, and.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
We all know that that is really really good question.
By the way, about that all that's a really that's like,
that's a really.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
But that's a very seldom thing in this industry, right
when you look at people who had twenty five year relationship, right,
and then God bless me because I'm not coming at
this new generation.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
But you see these guys, they last a year or two.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
They can't stick with the manager, they can't stick with
the rol person, they can't stick with everybody. But you
and Jazzy Jeff have like a thirty year career.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
But then you don't.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
You don't have them just one. You have this Martin Lawrence,
the same thing. And then I've read somewhere or heard
somewhere where Martin Lawrence didn't even want you in Bad Boys.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
No, No, it was the other way. The studio didn't
want me. Martin had the script. Oh wow. Right, so
the studio didn't want me, and Martin said he wouldn't
do it if it wasn't with me. Oh wow. Right,
So Martin wanted he had the script, and you know,
he was looking at Eddie and his sister was like,

(11:49):
you know, I really think you need to do this.
Oh yes, right, Well, his sister was, I really think
you need to do it with Will And he thought
about it, and he called me and we had a meeting,
and then the studio was like, yeah, you know, it's
like both of us were we were successful on TV,
but we weren't Eddie, right, So they wanted to do
it with Eddie, and Martin was like after we met,

(12:11):
He was like, no, it has to be well we weren't.
We met. He called me to come to his house
to pitch Bad Boys, and we met. We had a
dinner at his house, and we met that night for
Battle Let's yeah, and then just ever since then, it's
like it's hard.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
To have.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Real relationships, you know. You know, but like in this business,
it's hard to have it's hard to have real relationships
because what happens, especially you know in in movies, you're
talking about you know, five, ten, twenty dollars. When you're
talking about it, you're talking about real talking about Yeah,

(12:54):
we're talking about real money. It's really hard for somebody
to make a decision for a relationship over a decision
for money, you know. And it's it's like, Martin, is
you know, one of those relationships. It's like one of
one of my only my real relationships are before movies,

(13:16):
like you know, we and Philly, and you're looking around
and like, you know, like the youngest of my squad
got twenty years you know, the goal here, you know.
So it's like, you know, I'm in this season of
my life. I'm really taking notice to those things. Right

(13:37):
first day on the set of Bad Boys four, you know,
I'm doing it. I'm going to go on and Martin said, hey, hey,
he said, he said, man, we made three of these
and we don't really remember a lot. He was like,
we're gonna pay attention for this one, okay. When he said,
we do remember a lot with me because we just

(13:58):
like we were running, running, running around, Paying said, he
was like, no, no, no, no, it was day one. He
was like, no, slow down, And it's like we're gonna
take in, we're gonna live in the experience, you know,
and it was really good, and we kind of settled down.
He was like, we're gonna make the movie. It's gonna
be good, or it's gonna not be good. He was like,
but what we have is our attention, and I was like,

(14:20):
got it. And we just really just settled down and
it's like, you know, that's my that's my dude right there. Man,
Like he is as as authentic a person as you
will ever meet Mark Martin.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
Was it a culture shot going from the music side
to the Hollywood side?

Speaker 1 (14:37):
It was, Yeah, it was really it was different in
the in the sense that so music is really current, right,
So you're you're making this stuff, you're in it, and
it's really current. And then what happens when you into
television it slows down a little bit. It's like five
months delay you make something and then it's you know,

(14:59):
five months before it comes out. Then when you get
in a movie, it could be two years before it
comes out, and like it just loses the the immediacy
of it. So for me, that was that was, uh,
the biggest difference, the biggest difference, Like in the expression
of it. It's like you don't get to you don't
get to create and get it out in a timely

(15:23):
fashion where you like you're checking in to see how
people get feedback. You're getting your feedback, right. So it's
it's harder to stay current with with movies and television
than it is with with music. What about the environment though,
in terms of that, in terms of the people, Yeah,
you know, I've been I've been blessed man. You know,

(15:44):
immediately on the Fresh Prince of bel Air, I was
with Quincy Jones. You know that was his idea, right
that wash Yeah, so Quincy Jones, it was about him, correct,
it was Benny Medina was with Quincy Jones. Benny Medina
was an a n R exact at Warner Brothers, be
a J. Lowe manager. He j Loe's manager, and he

(16:04):
had an idea. It was based on his life. So
he went from Watts to Beverly Hills and Quincy changed it,
you know, he changed it to Philly. He was like,
what's your rap name? I was like, Fresh Prince. He said, Okay,
that's the character's name, Fresh Prince. Where you're from Philly?
I said, all from Philly? He said, oh, man, I

(16:26):
got some stories about Philly. We don't talk about it,
you know. But Quincy changed it to Philly and then
he said, Benny, Benn, he grew up in Beverly Hills.
And we were at Quincy's house and he was like,
this is bel air. He said, you like this house?
I said, I like this. Yeah. He said, yeah, bell
A make Beverly Hills look like public housing. He was like,
you know, buck Beverly Hills, it's bel air. So Quincy

(16:47):
changed it, like literally in one night. He changed it
to Philadelphia to bel Air and named the show The
Fresh Prince of bel Air. Yeah before you before before
been in audition that time. Were you the first rapper
doing a sitcom? Yeah okay yeah yeah, so fresh the
the uh now I got to ask home before you

(17:09):
go because at that time, doing anything commercial, yeah, it
was all bad. It was round upon, Yeah, you're making
this round upon. That's a light, that's the like light.
It was like it was doing a foul ship. Yeah, foul.
That ship was whack. People get hard. Was whack. That
ship was corny and will Smith as ship. All right,

(17:30):
but you're making the money.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
You got the hollywoodlights and you go from Philly to
actually real Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
How was that experience? You know, it was more than
Philly Hollywood that was hard. It was the Philly l
A that was hardy. Like they got different rules in
l A. And it's it's like, you know, you you
you learned the hard way walking around in LA with
your red Phillies baseball cap boy, Like, yeah, that ship

(17:57):
I didn't even know. I was like we was learning,
learning the hardware out there. It's like they just got this.
It's it's different, different rules, you know. So it's the
the first thing was like trying to just get the
lay of the land of how to you know, how
to move out there in terms of Hollywood. I guess

(18:22):
really like the the big issue in the transition U
for me was more about acting. The difficulty was about
acting versus rapping. It's a whole different thing to like
be looking in somebody's eyes and say a line from
the sitcom to the movie well no, no, from from music. Yeah,

(18:45):
it's not. It was like the really different, different thing
that was hard for me. And I was like nolthing
people's lines and stuff like that. So it was like learning. Yeah,
it was terrible. It was terrible. That the big transition
was like Quincy never asked if I could act. He
just he saw my music video, so he assumed that

(19:07):
I could act. So I was on the set of
The Fresh Prince of bel Air and never have really
done anything, you know, So it was like that, but
you know, Quincy had the power to do that.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
What was your first serious role, because you know, at
the end of the day, they all thought, you know,
rappers are fat, right, and then you know you're on
The Fresh Prince and it's working. But then it's it's like,
you know, I know Jamie Fox was like the Ray character, right.
What was your first serious role besides Muhammad Ali?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
The first was I did I did a movie I think,
uh sex second season of Fresh Prince called six Degrees Separation, Yes, okay, separation.
So that was my first you know, attempt at dramatic acting.
But on the on The Fresh Prince, really the father
scene with Uncle Phil was like the first that first

(19:59):
of I don't want to watch that, don't do that?
How come he don't want me? Man? It's like, that's
damn myself. But yeah, that that that scene was like

(20:21):
the first time you know where where it was like
looking to expand and be able to you know, hold
a dramatic scene. And James, you know, everybody on that
show was like stage trained veterans. Joe Marcel was from
the Royal you know, uh, British Academy, you know, and

(20:45):
you know Janet Hubert written you know, was a triple
Broadway threat, you know, singing, dance and acting. Like so
everybody had intimidating for you. It was it was really,
it was really intimidating, but it was it was love.
Everybody you know wanted me to win. In the beginning
was a little bit, I think because rappers was taking actors' jobs,

(21:08):
so that wasn't a good look for that. English people
are taking America. Yeah, they don't like that. It's like,
you know, they they they are well trained though, you know,
and that's a that's the thing, uh, especially with with
like with black actors in America, because the opportunities aren't

(21:30):
the same. We're not. It's like we don't get you know,
stage training to prepare for for acting. It's like it's
it's a really it's we do it from a much
more from the muscle natural space, and our training is
actually on the job, you know, whereas you know British actors. Yeah,

(21:56):
I mean they did. They listen, they're doing the damn
thank you. So.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
So we have a game on our shows called quick
Time with Slim right where we take you ask questions
and we take shots. If you don't want to take shots,
you can have somebody from Philly who represents you coming
place and take your shots. Or maybe you have one
or two shots.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
You can take a shot. You can take a shot.
You want Japanese whiskey, you know, like a Japanese listen,
just give me the So you gotta get ready. You're
gonna get ready because this first question is mine. Everybody

(22:38):
back up. Everybody back up. It's not even on this
is not even it's not even on the list.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Alright.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I do not recommend that I do not recommend that
you know you're a fly motherfucker. I got Japanese whiskey
just in case you want from the else of of Tokyo.
From the House of I don't know, I don't know,
I don't know, said from the alf.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I'm trying to make it sounds gonna have me message
from the Tokyo. Alright, this is a question. There you go.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
She from the Prince world universe and if I get
it now, we're gotta remember some of the rules.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
No, you gotta tell them. You telling these rules. And
because you're making this ship up, yeah, you know, so
we got Tokyo.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Right.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
What we do.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Is that we asked the Japanese question.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
You know, we're gonna give you two choices.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yes, you pick one. We're not drinking. But if you
don't pick, we're drinking. Okay, So you can say both
and neither. We're drinking both or neither, we're drinking okay.
All right, So we want stories. This is all to
bring up story.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
All right. This is a lifelong fresh friends question, right,
that's that's what you like that Instagram? This morning you
was practicing and I said, does anybody have questions? Will?

Speaker 3 (24:14):
And this question popped up so much, so many times
and so fast, because everyone knows about this game is
called quick timas line you give.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Them, it's called quick Thomas Live. So everyone knows. Everyone
knows this.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
So soon as we I texted, I texted the picture
that with me you or Charlie Matt And this is
the first one.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
And this is a very important one.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Remember this or that, this or that said neither.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Speak Vivian.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Because I want to say it politically correct in one VIV.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
One or or VIV two. I'm trying to say what
I'll say I'm doing as another one.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
I hear the bottles in the forest drinking.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Slow?

Speaker 3 (25:20):
How many times in your life it has people ask you,
doesn't it so it doesn't burn when you drink it?

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Oh and burn? I'm just trying to be you like
you will slip that definitely burns. That's tasty though. Oh yeah,
like that's from the the full set up. How many

(25:47):
times have you been to ask that question? Oh my god? Yeah, yeah,
you know it is. It was one of the most
like difficult times in my life.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Right, you know, because you don't understand it's a job
you have a relationship with.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, it's like you know what on on those kind
of sets you take on the relationships of your character.
It's like your set parents. Yeah, right, so it's like
it's real, that's real relationships. You go. You know, it's like,
you know, this is your first relationship. Yeah, and it's
like that that that that loss, that that's I'm not

(26:25):
a man that's prone to too much regret, you know,
because I believe things happen, and they you know, if
you're if you're happy today, you gotta you know, accept
that it's because of the things that went right and wrong.
And you know, but that that was that was a
you know, Janet and I are magnificent uh friends now,
but that that was a very very very hard time

(26:48):
for me. And it was like, I didn't see you,
said Jenny aunt Janet. First, I don't want people don't
like I'm just talking about crazy. Yeah, the first hand

(27:09):
of Janet, Janet Hubert written, she was she she's magnificent, right,
and you know, my young arrogant eyes couldn't see that,
you know. And it's like just the depth and the
power that she she brought to the show. I just

(27:32):
I was I was missing it. I just I couldn't,
you know. When I look back, it's it's like it's
really you know, it was obvious what she was bringing. Uh.
But Daphne, you know, Maxwell Reid, you know, cultivated a
beautiful relationship you know with her, But it was a
really Janet is a special kind of you know, beautiful

(27:58):
talented power were full. You know, she was she was
holding it down and I certainly wasn't wasn't seeing how
powerful and important she was to the show.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Now it's always these rumors that Michael Jackson is like
a gangster on the side, right, is content Ban's gang
banging on?

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I mean no, no, let me tell you that is
one of the most committed comedic actors I have ever met.
But nobody commits like he commit when he listened when
he goes part of one of the you know, I've

(28:37):
really learned my comedic acting on the set of The
Fresh Prince of bel Air. And the thing that Alfonso
does is like, even when he doesn't like something, you know,
he always gives it one hundred percent. His thing was like,
let the writers see if you if you tanked the
joke and you don't give it all, they're gonna think

(28:58):
that it didn't work because you sabotage it. And he
really taught me a you like, you know with that
Carlton dances stuff like when he goes, he goes, and
it's like you you can feel, uh, the power and
the fun of his commitment. It's funny because he commits
so hard to to the joke. Yeah, he's he's a

(29:20):
he's a unique breed. Okay, I'm gonna take another shot
you because I got you just gonna take a shelt.
I got a Chris question. You got to question this

(29:40):
for me? Shot look like rules.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Okay, let me just say, Philly, yeah, you take a
shot before.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
They hold on hold. You know what I'm gonna I'm
gonna go to the next one. You know what you're correct? Yeah,
rapping or acting? Rapping? Man. So here's the thing I
think I am. I'm more naturally an actor, really right.
I think that the what my mind most naturally falls

(30:16):
into it as far as entertainment. I saw you reached
for it and then you pull back.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
You can.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
You just want to drink? He was breaking it down
so good. I was like, really came out of me,
by the way, Yes, it has such.

Speaker 6 (30:37):
A beautiful soul, my god, like another one what you said?

Speaker 1 (30:51):
So I'm more naturally an actor, right, but my love
is hip hop right, And it's like, you know, acting
is when it comes out of me like I can
when I can go into a character, like I can
transform my mind and my eyes when I look at

(31:12):
somebody and fall into a character. It's like really it's
natural for me yo. And it's it's like it's like

(31:39):
moving moving your energy and attention around in your inside
your body, right, so I can like fall into you know,
what did that motherfucker say? I hear your brother say
it again? I just don't wire right now? Right, So

(32:04):
that like, and I've always been able to do that,
to like see something and mimic a character. So I've
always been able to u mimic it, and as I
got older, I could like fall into the emotion of
it where it changes the look on your face, it
changes your it changes your eyes, it changes your body

(32:27):
language and just you know, so I've always been able
to do that naturally you.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Learned that with time or you did you ever have
to take classes?

Speaker 1 (32:35):
So I never so I naturally could mimic, right, So
I would look at how somebody walked, or I would
listen to somebody's voice, and I could I could copy.
And then as I got older, like copying is shallow, right,
but then where does the emotion come from? And being
able to find the deeper and deeper place and layers

(32:58):
as I got to know myself better. Actors call it
a toolbox where you have a toolbox where like so
for example that the fresh scene, fresh print scene, you
were talking about the father scene. I use the father
scene to find sadness, so I'll use that for you know,
for King Richard. For example, there was the scene with

(33:20):
about Venus Serena. Yeah, for that. There was a scene
where at the at the net with Venus before he
lets her go and play. I watched the fresh Print
scene before that. It's a prep right, so I prepped
to like get you watch yourself to prep for yourself. Yes,

(33:45):
I respect that. So but the music, there is nothing
like being on stage and fifty thousand people here drums please,
you know, and it's like that moment when people realize
you about to do the song they've been waiting for.
That's the top of entertainment. That is the top when
they hear the first couple clicks up the record, that's

(34:08):
the one they wanted to hear. There's nothing there's nothing
like that in entertainment. So that's that's my It's my
my love versus what I'm actually best at.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
But you know, the but you was dope about you
that I've noticed throughout your career, no matter how Hollywood
you went, and you were always hip hop.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
And infusing men in black when you brungs And then
I was watching that the scene today and it was
like y'all didn't even talk.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
And I'm like I remember actually being in a movie
theater and god bless me white people, but they didn't
know what.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
The communication was. They were just like they going, that
was alien to I wonder if you'll start a popcorn
you know what I'm saying that, But you always keep
how did you? How do you do that? Likew What
it is is the it's the it's the thing that's
unique about what I bring. Right. So it's like you know,

(35:10):
being being born and raised in Philly and in hip hop,
it's the it's the thing that's uniquely me right at
your core, at my core. So when I bring that,
you know, ninety percent of the character can be comprehensible
to you know, general audiences, but then you add that

(35:32):
little sauce that is the unique special sauce. So for
me in terms of hip hop, like you'll never see
in any movie ever where they beat box as an
alien language, right, Like that's like I love that. It's
like only I can do that, right, you know, Like

(35:55):
I said, I was so mad at the movie people
didn't get it. I was like, yet, my god, yeah
that but even to call Biz to do it right,
to know that I want Biz to do that piece,
you know, And it's like a R P B is
r B. Yeah, God, damn, I have to look you

(36:15):
get all right? All right?

Speaker 3 (36:19):
The first one, now hold on, let me I got this.
Another one is also off the off off the menu
of off the menu, Jay z or Nas.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Think about it. They got you, both of them got
your number. That's important. Damn. That's a hard one too.
That's how I want to who's more petty? No, I
have more more. I have more of an interaction with
with with Jay z uh But I think I think

(36:54):
that for I'm I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go Nas
on that one. I'm gonna go Nas, I'm gonna go. No,
just took us here, they said, no, yeah, yeah, No.
I mean I have more of a relationship with with
with Jay, but I think not Nas has made me

(37:15):
study rapping more. Like when I hear Nas, I'm like, damn,
I'm way off the fucking bark, mark, I got I
gotta get to work, you know. So yeah, Na Nas
pushes me into study more. Okay, because you.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
Yeah, exactly there you thinking about that, So you have
to answer yeah, not a lifelong but a very long
time in Queens.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
The rumor is that NAS helped you with Jiggy with It,
so we not Jiggy with During the time that I
was working on Jiggy, NAS did uh just Cruising. It
was a record called Just Cruising, right, So me and
me Ands wrote Just Cruising together and I let Nas

(38:08):
listen to the album and he was like yes, no, yes, no,
yes no, And I was like, so we did. We
didn't do any writing together other than the Just Cruising track,
but you know, an executive cruiser. Yeah, he was, well,
he was not really an executive producer. He was there
and I was like, yo, will you listen to this

(38:28):
and tell me what you think you know? And you know,
he was honest. He was. He was really honest. And
then we wrote one together. We wrote Just Cruising. It
was like a B side of Men in Black or so.
Because he's never confirmed or did not like, yeah, yeah,
come up to him like you we know you would. Yes.

(38:48):
I don't know if he laughed, he just yeah. We definitely,
we definitely worked in the studio together. I think we
might have messed around with two or three other songs,
but just Cruising is the only one that ever was released.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Okay, so let me ask you because listening to this album,
first off, I was very very impressed. One I'm not
impressed because.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Of what you did.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
I'm impressed because I was trying to figure out with's
this hunger right? Because all of us to make music,
we have to have hunger right, and then when you're
not hungry no more, it's harder.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
To make use it. So I'm sitting there, this is
what I'm trying to tell you.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
I was, you know, first off, your people who sent
the album big up to the lexing them this will
never be bootlegged.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Oh by the way, my face scare. Did you get
maybe download downloaded? Like dirty years working ship? I was
just like yo, I said, for whoever your team is,
it's so official. Listen to me. They can send this
ship to the bootlegging place in Kenya, Toby running the house,

(40:03):
and they still can't bootleg this shit. I just being honest.
It took three of us in one car to go
through the whole album. But here's what I was saying.
I kept listening, and I kept saying, I kept saying,
where's he going to slack at?

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Where's he going to say, you know what, I'm this
you know movie star, I'm this guy that reached order accolades.
I'm so crazy now that I do white boy sports
and you.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Know what I'm saying, like, I'm but I'm still black.
And then but then you come in this album and
I'm trying to find but I was so jealous because
I couldn't find you not being hungry. I still felt
that hunger. I still heard French fresh Prince, and I'm
jealous of that because you know, if me and a

(40:46):
poem right now going to make a Worr report, I
don't think we can I can have that same attitude.
I'm not speaking for him. I'm speaking for myself. And
so I was.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
I was jealous because it took me a whole day
to download it. So when I finally because you know,
I'm not that smart, but I had two smart people.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
And it got them. So I was like, I would say,
it's not just me, but going through it, and then
I went back through it and I was just like,
I can't see how you locked in?

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Did you go to like Bali or somewhere like how
could you lock in and and and block the world
out and focus on this because it's one it sounds
like you super focused.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Two it sounds like you still love the game, love it.
That's the problem.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
That's the part that I'm mad like because I'm like, damn,
how could he be the way made more than me?
Obviously have more eccolas and all on wins and things
like that, But how does he still have that hunger?
That's that's that's that's the question for me personally and
not even for the world.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Like I felt that hunger in you. So what happened blood?
I ain't got a blunt That's how good that question was. Now,
what happened? What happened with me? Man? Is you know
in the in the last couple of years, like I
really just it down, you know, and you know, really

(42:05):
after the Oscars, I just shut it down, and I
did a real deep dive, Like I looked at I
looked at myself as honestly as I could, and I
looked at all of the parts of myself that I
always thought of as not for public consumption. Right, So

(42:28):
there was a Will Smith, and there was an in
an image, and there was an an an identity of
Will Smith. But that was only my good qualities it
was only the best of me. You're saying, what swift
to the public, right, Yes, Will Smith to the public
was only the best of me. Will Smith wasn't allowed
to be.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Beautiful the beautiful post that you you posted, and you
posted what you on the island, then you showed that
it was blue behind you.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
So you're saying like something like that's that that you
know that that was a one way to do it.
But the idea that you never saw me not smiling,
right right, but you could probably imagine there was some
times when I wouldn't be smiling. It's just that wasn't
for public consumption, you know, So you know there was

(43:16):
there was. It was just the best qualities of me.
So then you know, I was forced into a situation
where I had to be honest that I don't just
have good qualities. I have some things that I have
pushed down. I have you know, fear, I have confusion,

(43:37):
I have anger, I have sadness. Oh you're human, yeah,
oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
You know that's probably the most beautifulest thing. And I
know you spoke about it, but I won't. But what
I'm saying is the most beautiful thing about you is
you own your humanness. Yes, and and you know, I'm
gonna be honest and I'm bouncing around. But I always
related to the five percent nation or like the Muslims
a little bit more than the preachers, because the preachers

(44:04):
showed me that they didn't have mistakes. But when I
seen you know, the five percenters, I've seen the FOI
handing out the newspaper. I seen that brother messing up before,
so it made me relate to them all.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
So that's that's what you know, what I'm saying. So
that's what I feel like with you.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
But my thing is you've never lost a step, and
if you did, I guess you was just a minute
that but you didn't show it to the world.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
How can you do that? So for me, now now
this about this time, this phase of you know, my
career and really this phase of my life is as
I looked into myself in that way and I like
really confronted those parts of myself that my humanity, not

(44:47):
the just the straight Superman winning all the time, the happy,
happy Superman winner. Right when I started confronting those other
parts of myself, something really magical happened. Right as I like,
the best way I can describe it is like imagine,
like you know, I pushed my anger down and I

(45:08):
held it and then it popped and then I was like, okay,
I'm not going to pretend like you're not there, like
let's talk, right, and I really like confronted it. And
then it's almost like there was a hole under my
anger that my anger was plugging. But inside the hole
was great shit. It was great creativity and great power

(45:31):
and like new ideas. And it was like by not
accepting that part of myself, I was cutting off the
good that it could offer me. It's like it's like
there's no bad qualities, there's no bad qualities in you.
There are things that are neglected that will be a superpower.

(45:52):
If you befriend your anger, if you befriend your sadness,
not try to get rid of it, befriended, befriend the
fact that you're scared, Like be okay that you're scared.
You still got dude of shit, but don't pretend like
you're not scared. Like be scared, but still do it.
Like when you befriend those energies versus like fighting them,

(46:16):
they become superpowers. They become your army. So like you
have this army of energies, and that's the place where
I am right now. Like the good qualities that I
thought were the strongest, will Smith, that's not. It's like
now those qualities are backed up by all of these
other energies that are like having been cleansed, like not

(46:41):
you don't want them to drunk drive through your life.
But now they've been like cleansed, and now they're giving
me gifts. They're giving me poetry, they're giving me power,
they're giving me patience, they're giving me certainty, you know.
So to me, there's a long way to answer the
question the hunger I'm from. Like, I got cheat codes, right,

(47:03):
I got cheat codes. I want to, Like I want
to share cheat my cheat codes. I want to, Yeah,
I want to. I'm not. I never thought I needed derby, dude,
like the way you broke, I want you need to
be a defist, like or like tell somebody your dirty

(47:26):
because I was I was so in like I want
to you know how when it's I'm like, yo, can
we tell you that was so? That was so dope, man,
that's so dope man.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
And I noticed a cliche question, And I'm gonna get
back to quick time of slim.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
But did you have a thing that you would make
it this far? H man. I've been beyond my dreams
for like twenty years. I've been beyond anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
like you know now and it's like I'm in unknown
territory right now. I have no idea where this is going.
I have no idea you know what's happening. But you know,

(48:08):
if you think of it as a wave, right, I
know I can surf, right. So I'm like, you know, life,
bring it back? Yeah, right, right, I don't know like
things are. So when I when I was saying cheat codes, right,

(48:28):
so one of the first things there's a there's a
song on an album called you can Make It. You
can make It. It's a Monday, yes, so one of
the cheat codes around you can make it? Right, So
as I as I sit in this room right now, right,
so a bunch of black men, you know, and you know,

(48:50):
we would never admit we're having a hard time, right,
but you don't have to tell me. I know you are.
I know you are, and I can be here and
I can make it harder for you, or I can
be here to have you be stronger when I leave, right,

(49:13):
but what I used to think that you know, you know,
I got to defend myself. I don't have to defend
myself from you. We both having an equal hard time.
If I don't aggress upon you, you're not going to write.
It's like if you know that I know that you're

(49:35):
having a hard time, and that I don't want to
be any part of why it's more difficult for y'all, right,
And it's like like that's a cheat code. Like that's
a real cheat code. People see it in your eyes
when you know they're having a hard time and you
don't want to make it harder. They also see when
you don't give a fuck, if they see you don't

(49:58):
give a fuck, not a part of them that don't
give a plut you know what I mean. Yeah, So
it's like to me, it's like part of the part
of that cheat code of entering rooms and entering interacting
with people. It's like, I don't know what it is,
but I know every single person in here is struggling

(50:19):
with something, with something right, and at different levels. You
know some you know, somebody's going through a breakup, and
you know somebody you know lost some money that they
really needed. Somebody that got a loved when it just died.
You know, somebody's family is fighting over something. You know,

(50:40):
everybody's lifing, right, So it's a cheat code to don't
get lost on the person in front of you, even
if they're aggressing. They're aggressing because life is fucking you.
It's what's not you. Life is hurting them, and they
even may perceive that you're aggressing just how you walk.

(51:00):
It don't even have to be you. They could they're
perceiving that you're aggressing, and they're prepared to hurt you. Right.
But it's like the cheat code is just know that
don't even don't even go into that energy space with them,
you know, and you know for me, like that song
you can make It, It was like that was part

(51:22):
of the discovery, like you know, don't don't get distracted
from the fact of every step you take is affecting
people's lives as you move, right. So that was what
part of the idea of you you can make it
is like keeping in my mind when I'm looking at people,
I'm saying, you can make it. I don't know what

(51:43):
it is, brother, but I know you got it. You
got it. You know. And it's like holding that energy
as a real cheat code because then people want to
help you when they feel like you're open to want
to help them. Voter want to help you. But it
takes vulnerability to open that. Men don't. We don't do
that with each other. Right, So for me when I

(52:06):
come downstairs, brothers, it's welcome to Philly, like like like
I want you to enjoy it and have fun with
you in Philly, you know. And it's like I want
you to feel safe and have a good time. I
got cheese steaks for you, you know. And it's like
that energy is an energy of abundance. You like you,

(52:33):
You build things, you make friends, you build relationships, You
create a safe space around you. When you start from
that mindset that the person is going through something, it's
like you're trying to reverse the idea of hurt people
hurt people. Yes, absolutely, trying to reverse absolutely, you know.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
But I want to say something because the rollout that
your family, the people that work with you, you've seen
you a million dos work for games. We've seen you
on what's the guy name that tells everybody to stop
smoking in his airbnb?

Speaker 1 (53:09):
You did play Boy back.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
And you did drink chances and when you're looking at that,
you're sitting back saying, damn, your team knows what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
They're shifting with the time.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
A lot of people would have went to, you know,
the traditional radios, which you had you dropping an album,
so obviously you want the radio splays. But right now,
black young, unscripted media is running the world. So the
fact that your team knew that, Like, I watched it
and I'm sitting back and I'm like, whoever's on your team,

(53:39):
they know exactly what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
So here's my question.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
You knowing that now that black young media is running
the thing, where is Overbrooks Podcast Company? Where's Overbrooks Production Company?
For the young directors? Putting young next? Willsmith for the
young next, Kevin Hart, that's here? Eat was like me,
he chis with because I know you brought cheese steaks
and you trust.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Me, I'm gonna be judgment to home. Helpy came up
and said, I forgot the cheez whiz. I said, I'm
judging you on both times.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
I'm here from Philly. But but but that's you know,
it's something that I learned and I had to learn
going through it because I had to go through it. Nas,
who he spoke about earlier. Nas could have had Copona
Nori Jega sign. He could have had Mob Deep sign,
he could have had a Z sign, he could have
had Foxy Brown sign. But he chose to kind of

(54:31):
be our friends right when we wanted. We might have
wanted our leader at that time. So if you look
at Nas and that's my brother, you know what I'm saying,
them before I got here. But then you look at Jay.
Jay didn't really care about him being your leader or not.
He wanted to make good business. So if you look
at that, but then if you look at them both,

(54:53):
that's what you are like, you know what I'm saying, Like,
you're a person who has the movies, your person who
has the music. And then and obviously podcasts is this
a new thing? And I'm sitting back like, why isn't Overbrook?
You know that virsion of our heart, know how our
heart has all this? And then you got you got
Netflix and God bless us. Right we made Netflix and Chill.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
That was a dude that was born during COVID and
said Netflix and Chill and the whole ship, this is
our people. When is our people who are at that
top going to invest into people, whether it's that that
bottom or whatever. And I'm not just saying overbook, it's
just like I kind of feel like black folks or
hip hop folks should invest in hip hop now. So

(55:35):
here's so, was that a good question? First?

Speaker 3 (55:36):
That that was really good? You felt good about it.
I'm like it was like it was sharp, it was
a little bit it was yeah, but I want you
to answer, we need blacks to invest in blacks?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yes, cheers cherious, Yes, So that one. No, so right, So,
first of all, it's it's always been the case right
that my manager, Miguel, he's still in here, he would

(56:18):
he would always say what's urban is suburban? Right? So
so our community has always led right, so uh always
let right. So it was you know, brands, you know
before run DMC were always looking at what was happening

(56:41):
and they say, yes, absolutely, they were always looking at
what happened in the inner city. And then once run
DMC really they they broke the barrier. They didn't have
a deal with Adidas. They were wearing Adidas before they
had to deal with and then they were like, oh,
got it right, So Adidas didn't even know their sales

(57:05):
were spiking because run DMC was wearing Adidas. Right, So
that the idea of the the the inner cities and
urban communities leading in in you know, fashion and branding
as we've always been that. So in terms of you

(57:28):
know the question of why we don't do that, so
we do do it, it's it's bandwidth is an issue. Right.
So you know, I know Kevin Heart's company, you know,
Heartbeat Overbrook, big y'all up man, we got yes, yes, yeah, yeah,

(57:52):
that big y'all up definitely, you know, but when you
get to fifteen projects, you're at your whole company's bandwidth, right.
But there's four thousand, you know, people who deserve a look, right.
But it's like, you know, you got one executive that's

(58:14):
working ten projects that they believe in that one is
going to go right, right, So you look at a
company after four years and it's like, you know, so
for us with our company with like bel Air, okay, right,
so we've got black staff and you know, black and
brown writing and staff and all of that, but it

(58:36):
takes everything our TV division has to keep that show
up and relevant and going. And then you just don't
have the bandwidth to have a second one going to
it's like all hands on deck to make show, to
make sure the show wins, because when you get the shot,

(58:57):
you have to win too, right, you know. So you
know we have that, we set it up, and then
you know, things happen, so you start building it out right,
So you'll start building out your divisions and you get going,
and then there's a strike. Oh yeah, the writer's strike.
Now there's a writers strike and you have to like,
you can't survive because you can't work and you can't

(59:19):
hold one hundred percent staff, so you got to scale
down to twenty percent staff until the strike is over.
Now you lose all of these great people, you lose
all of these great projects, and now you're starting up
all over again. Right, So there are business considerations like
Tyler Perry has like the most like stable foundation of

(59:42):
being able to make things in churn them out. But
you know it's bandwidth. Also Tyler's writing and directing, you
know all of this stuff too, right, So it's really
it's it is. The idea is simple to say, but
when you look at reality, the reality of it is,

(01:00:03):
if you have a staff of forty, you could get
to bandwidth on a staff of forty people with two projects.
You could be like, you get two big things going,
and what it takes to keep it going is like
it's really hard. Then what happens is then you have
to let other people be in charge. Right, So when

(01:00:24):
I'm looking over a project, like, I'm I'm the taste, right,
so you know, I have other people that are really
good taste. But as you get broader, you lose the
taste and then you start making things that aren't good
and that's not helpful either, you know. So it is,

(01:00:44):
it is a It is a complex it's a complex problem,
and more complex in today's media landscape where everything is
every day is turning over. So on top of it,
twenty four to seven, yeah, ten years ago, you could
take a big bet and be pretty sure you're going
to make it limited box office yeah yeah right, you know,
so it is that, you know, it is. It is difficult,

(01:01:06):
and people now are thinking of it as disposable, right,
so movies, yeah, disposable, well, entertainment and general the content
is disposable, freed everybody. So you can't even like, you know,
make a two million dollar bet on something because people
might decide that that's not exactly. Yeah, it's it is

(01:01:29):
a it is a difficult issue, and I'm in a
lot of those rooms. It is not because people are
not trying to make it. Yeah, it is not because
people yet.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Yeah, so they always say that being the first person,
it's beautiful, but you know, you get you get looked,
get frowned upon.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Right, I'm using that lightly. Again.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
You were the first person to win a Grammy, first rapper,
first rapper to ever win a Grammy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Right, we boycott it and you boycott it and one
and one still except that's right, we didn't accept one.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
But were you guys solely boycotting on your own or
it felt like it was a hip hop?

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Boy? It was a hip hop So so what happened
the So it was the first year ever that pop
got hip hop got acknowledged by the Grammys. So they
acknowledged that they had the category, but they said they
weren't going to televise the the hip hop category. They
weren't going to televise it. So we were like, well, wait,

(01:02:46):
we sold more records than everybody, Like, why is that?
Why is our stuff not being televised? So Russell Simmons
and le Or Cohen and m t V organized a boycott. Okay,
and you're not on depth Jam, I'm not on deaf Jam.
Rush's management makes sense, Okay, I just wanted to make

(01:03:07):
a sense. Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm so they organized a boycott.
They said nobody where Nobody's going. So MTV has a
counter show that's going to boycott the Grammys. So we go,
and you know, two days before the Grammys, we find

(01:03:29):
out that Como D has agreed to appear Grammys. Damn
with the big glasses and a yeah yeah cool yeah
so D but he uh and it's so crazy because
it seems it seems so little and silly now, but
it was like the biggest thing is everyone looked at

(01:03:49):
the betrayer. Yeah liked and we Me and Mo were
like great friends. We still are, but it was like
it was like huge that he crossed the line and
he went and did an intro to the Grammys. Wo right,
so yeah he did the whole legend. It was just

(01:04:11):
it was just it's so funny because it was like
the biggest like our lives depended on this and it
was like the worst ship that ever happened. Uh, Me
and Mo laugh about this now. But so we're there
and it's US and Salt and Pepper and LL and
stets of Sonic and so it's like fifty rappers and

(01:04:32):
we're standing and we're watching and you know, they're doing
the show. And then they they do the earlier tonight
awards were given in the rap category and we're standing
with all the rappers and me and Jeffers standing were
looking at the TV and we were nominated against It
was o pp It was uh was it still a

(01:04:58):
rapping R and B just right. It was the first
time that it was just wrapped. So it was like US, L,
Salt and Peppa h. This was dominated Super Sonic. Oh
that's right, yeah, yeah, JJ past on two three four,
I'm missing a missing a fifth my name running m
C was in there all right, So it was you know,

(01:05:20):
so everybody was nominated. So we're standing there and we're
watching the TV and they say and earlier this afternoon,
DJ j Z, Jeff and Fresh Prince were awarded Best
Wrap and we're standing there with everybody, and I was
like a boycott. You didn't know you were gonna win.
I didn't know were you what? I was like, man,

(01:05:47):
me and went in the other room and it was like, yo,
the first grandy ever give it to a wrapper, And
it was like we never, we never really you know,
had the chance to fully celebrate. But it was really
giant hearing that we wanted the first ever.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Yeah, now, hip hop could be you know, critical until
they actually make that position right. Like it's like it's
like a person seeing the first person doing the alley, like, well,
that shit looks crazy, and then you learn how to do.
This is legit, you know what I'm saying. So after

(01:06:29):
winning the Grammys, when did it become cool to actually
win Grammy?

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Because I'm sure you got chasts, yeah for sure now
and it was like, you know, well they only won
because white people like their music. But that's cool. They
won because it's they want one, because it's soft, you know,
it was their their music was palatable for other audiences.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
That critic is still going on to this day. When
itgory for sure, you know, you know, I think I
think it was probably like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Like three three Grammys later where it was like cool,
cool to to win the Grammy. It was like that
that next year still wasn't cool, but they televised it,
so it was like good that they televised that they
were respecting the genre. But it was yeah, definitely, like
three years later that it was like a real prestige

(01:07:25):
thing to to win a Grammy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Yeah, because now everybody's bragging about it, but back then
they were like pistol the Grammy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Yeah, yeah, I hope actually did it pistle you well,
Kanye one of them did that. They said, No, it's
a it's a it's an honor. Anytime anybody will say
we appreciate what you do, I think there's a lot
of silliness that goes into that. It's not about the award,

(01:07:52):
it's just it's it's a work you know that you
put into Somebody is saying, hey, I appreciate what you do,
and you know what your how your gifts are being
received by humanity. Is that that is That's a real thing.
Is there any aspirations to be to have an egot
to all of them? Uh? Because you know, I'm I'm pasted,

(01:08:18):
I'm past awards in in my mindset. You know, there's
a there's a thing I think that everybody. Uh, I
wish that everybody could have everything they dream to realize
that that's not it. You know I've said before, like

(01:08:39):
there's a there are people talk about rock bottom that
when you hit rock bottom is when you'll make a
change drugs like drugs. People say dr rock bottom in life. Yeah,
but yeah, it is that people say it in in
you know, in a talking about rock bottom. But there's
a core responding place that I call cliff top. Right,

(01:09:06):
you could be too high, where you get so high
that you realize literally none of the stuff can make
you happy. Right after you you get you can get
to the end of the material world. You get to
the end of money, you get to the end of sex.
You know, you get to the end of fame. You

(01:09:29):
get you you you have so much, and you get
and then you you like go off of a cliff
into the same kind of abyss that you'd be scared
of slipping into at rock bottom, right where life loses
all of its ability to sustain and please you. And

(01:09:50):
then the only thing that's left the same thing at
rock bottom. The only thing that's left at cliff top
is you have to You have to find what you
actually looking looking for, And what you're actually looking for
is you. You're looking for you. You're running around right
when you when you like a woman and you like

(01:10:12):
being with a woman is because you like how you feel.
You like what's happening inside of you. When you have money,
it's like, yeah, it's cool to buy things, but it's
not the money. You like how you feel inside. It's
unleashing a feeling inside and at rock bottom and at

(01:10:34):
cliff top, what you have to learn how to do
is generate that feeling without anything external you want to
You have to learn how to like like you so
much that you like being alive so much that you
you bring positive energy that's not generated by stuff. Right

(01:10:56):
because stuff is coming and going, like people are coming
in going. Everything you have and everybody you love is
going to rise and fall in your life. The place
that we have to find is a spiritual place where
we are good with us. We trust us. I trust myself,
I trust God, and I trust life that whatever happens,

(01:11:19):
I'm going to make happy out of it. I don't
need specific things to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
And I think also the important thing is we forget
that that journey is really the middle part is really
the best part of me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yes, exactly. It's like being able to be right here,
right now with whatever arises and not need a specific
thing to happen, right, And it's like, you know, part
of the beauty of these these moments for me and
these interactions for me, it's like I don't need a
specific thing to happen with us. Now, I'm open and

(01:11:55):
I'm excited, Like what's going to evolve from this moment.
And as soon as I have a specific thing that
I want to happen that I want from you, now
it it it throws off the energy of our experience,
you know. So I'm just learning to accept life as
it comes. Just relax.

Speaker 7 (01:12:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Some ship's gonna come that you don't like, some ship's
gonna come that you do like. And it's like, I'm
trying to just cultivate a mind that is able to
accept and add love to any circumstance that arises. Letting go.

(01:12:43):
This is what I got to do that let me
join you properly. Cheers, So look at me. So I
want to speak about you quick time was like we
just didn't go back sometime. I want to say something

(01:13:03):
about Philadelpia. Don't care nothing about the rules, but.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Philly has made such a dramatic mark in hip hop,
he says after you, like prior to you, we had
Schoolly Deal first, then we had you, and like you said,
like so many people.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
There's a lot of firsts from Philly and hip hop
is going way better. You know what I'm saying is
from him. But so many people didn't understand because you
were making clean rap, right for lack of a better term, right,
you were making clean rap.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
A lot of people didn't know what rest Philadelphia was.
A lot of people didn't know what Philadelphia was. A
lot of people didn't know that Philadelphia. You're gonna get
killed out there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
You're done, and you're gonna shot a shot and and
they might stay there to like It's like so a
lot of people didn't know that because New York was
so much of but now Philly has kind of like
took his own mark, like like I mean, through hip hop,
through through so many different things, through comedy, cav How

(01:14:14):
did how did you did you see that Philly would be.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Prominent like that because it's damn near next to New
York at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
You know what's interesting, Like Philly was all out news
right so to to me, the the hip hop culture
and the creative culture in Philly and even before that,
when I you know, when I was growing up, Joe
Fraser was Philly. Yeah history, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,

(01:14:43):
so you know there there has been a long history.
Uh you know, Wilt Chamberlain went to the high school.
I mean that he was going with He's famous brothers
literally a couple of times, you know. But you know,

(01:15:05):
there's a rich history. There's a rich, rich history of
talent and successful people. Julius Irving, you know when I
was growing up, so you know, for me, it was
always I knew that I was going to do my
best to be a part of a rich history. I
didn't feel like I was starting anything right, So I

(01:15:26):
felt like I was being you know, gambling ugh, and
you know, I felt like I was being a part
of a history, contributing, contributing to something that was already
you know, alive and well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Listening to this album, I felt like you called everyone
and everyone said yes, but I'm wondering if I'm wrong.
Was there anybody that you called for this album and
they were like, I'm busy or I'm in Costa Rica?

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
No, you know, yeah, no, there there were there were
a couple of people who who weren't sure about working
with me. There were yeah, there were, There were definitely
definitely a couple of people. It was the hot water,
Yeah yeah yeah. They were like, yeah, we'll wait for

(01:16:19):
the second round. Will were round, Yeah, the boy the boiler,
Yeah yeah, we'll see. But it was actually that that
was new for me too, that I got that was
real humbling. I'm used.

Speaker 8 (01:16:36):
I was used to when when Big Willie call it
was you know, I was like, I was saying, but
they honest about it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
No, No, people weren't being honest. You know, they weren't
being honest. But I knew. I knew that's what it was.
I knew that's what it was. Well, please please do
not forget. But the other day new he called me. Now,
he called me and was like, yo, can you can
you meet me at Club eleven? And I was like, yeah,
of course, and you said it. He knew I was
lying because I'm too old there want to, but I

(01:17:19):
don't want to tell him no. So I was like
I was like yeah, okay. And then and then Nellie
he knew it. He heard. He freezed. He's like, damn,
you could just say. I was like, I'm older. Now
you want him shoutut my grass yeah, so I don't

(01:17:45):
go out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
So I don't don't go out. No, but I feel different.
Now are you different? I'm talking you're different because how
people treated for the incident that happened. No, you know,
can you see how these people fuckers are?

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
No? No, I I don't have so. First of all,
I didn't look at anything that anybody said, right, So,
like I literally shut it down. I was like, I
don't want to know nothing that nobody saidication as all. Yeah,

(01:18:22):
somebody had five months where I didn't even look at
you know, Instagram, and I was, yeah, we all need
to do that. Yeah, you know. So it's like, you know,
I know there there's you know, like people that went hard, right,
but I literally don't know. I don't know. Me and
Charlie was out the other night, me and Charlie, yeah,

(01:18:46):
and somebody somebody walked in that had had gone hard,
and I was like, hey, no, no, no, not that one.
That one. I ain't gonna say nobody's name. Somebody's name.
Figure it out. We're not speaking of him. We're not

(01:19:10):
speaking of him, right, you know. But for me, it's
like I just I knew it would poison in my heart,
and I was like, I just don't want that, man,
I just don't want to know what none of them
niggas said. So when I see him, Hey, man, Charlie
can just grab my hand. I love that. But that

(01:19:35):
was all right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Now I'm gonna give you one of mine. I did
an interview, our second interview with his brother. Our first
interview was so beautiful. I mean, a second interview was beautiful.
It had parts in there that, oh I already know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Oh yeah, and I remember we're dropping an interview.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
And sorry for anybody who's looking the but you know,
puff Daddy called me and said, man, you sure you
want to drop this? And I said, yeah, I'm an
artistic I'm standing by my artistic artistic tree.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
I'm standing by my Japanese outpian street will boys. I
regret that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
He did not say I told you so. No, Hed
never told me that. He never too, but he told
me and we dropped this Kanye interview. The name I said,
I wasn't going to say the name I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
You just didn't say. But if you expressed by and
f N are not necessarily will Smith that what I'm saying.
She entered. It surprised me with the people that called me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
The people that called me wasn't the essential people that
I thought that were called like Shaq called.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Me, Pharrell called me, and it was just for me.
It was just like I made a mistake, and what
I say, I made a mistake. I never said nothing,
but I did not like that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
So now I understand that that this is my responsibility
if a person is on my platform, regardless of what.
If will Will Smith gets on my platform and says,
let's let's say Monster Energy, we got to get money
with them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
We get money with them. Don't talk about let's say
black black black. No excuse me, brown brown little squares,
there's a piece of ship. Yeah, brown little square is
not only as mad as you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
If they're mad at me, they thought that I edited it,
They thought that that I went over it, and they
thought that I deliberately said.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
When it's really just your views.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
So my question is saying that was one of my
in front of the industry most downist moments, and the
people who called me was people that I did not
in one of your downiest moments. Was whoever one of
these who was the person who called you? Who you
you didn't think Floyd Mayweather.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Floyd. I love Floyd. Yeah yeah, Floyd called me every
day for a month after that. Oh yeah, you know
I love let me. I want to back up on
this a little bit because that's what you touched on

(01:22:39):
a good point, all right, So you know you you
get this interview if you have it and you put
it out. Here's the cheat code. Yeah, So people said
to me, will you sure you wanted to do drink champs? Really?

(01:23:00):
Do you want? You want to? Like you say, for real,
for real? Like will are you sure you want to
put yourself in that position? Right? But you know right?
Yeah right? We don't even know, right, So it's like, well,
what are you gonna You're gonna take drinks? Right? And

(01:23:23):
then who knows what the fuck you might say? Right right?
And they were like, you know, Norris good at getting
you to say some ship you might not right right?
So so I said, oh, because I love y'all right.
So I sat on it for a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
My son, that's my first time I we mentioned the
bright No no, no, that's a Nickelodeon nicolode continue right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
So so but I really had to sit with that, right.
So the cheat code is what's your intention? Right? So
when you're in those situations, it's like, what is your intention?
What was your intention in that moment? In that moment,

(01:24:15):
what's your intention putting out the interview? Right? So for me,
when you're ten toes down in your intention? Right. So
my intention of being here with y'all is to support

(01:24:36):
any good you're trying to put in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
We want to show you our because our attention is
about giving people their flowers, the smell them.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
They and we'll let me just tell you something.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Every wrapper in this world that ever tried to act,
ever wanted to go into another, we all owe you,
we all owe you. We all have to take our
hats off to you. You gotta rub our Beijing, and
we gotta do whatever. I'm obviously not doing it, we know.

(01:25:15):
But every rapp up who has ventured out you know,
you know, I mean even did you know, uh what
do we call it?

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
Uh? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
You know other business mentions because prior to you, all
rappers did was rap. And then when they didn't have
them pensions in them W nine's in the one case,
then they started to complain.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
But you gave the blueprint. You said, you know what
I could rap, I could dominate rappers that can.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
Dominate another fail, and then I can come back and
I can dominate another fail, and I gonna keep dominating
another field.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
I keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
I can get so bored. I could do ship that
y'all don't even like it. And guess what, and then
you had to TikTok phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
I'll be following you on. I don't know what the
fuck you be doing. I'm like, I'm like, fucking will
swip through it, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
It's just so we want you to know, like how
important how much are you tip that other world?

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
And right now we probably don't understand because the other
world has just been chipped. Yeah, for sure, that's pioneering.
That means that's what pioneer. That's why I said earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
I was like, yo, yo, you know you was the
first person to running grabby. I'm sure I was the
first person to do reggae dong.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
People laughed at me. I almost had to wear a
pampa because I feel like everyone's shipping on me. But
guess what.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
You can't turn the radio without saying, but you've been
trying to be spanning too, I mean, why be watching you?

Speaker 9 (01:26:33):
You're not calling you poppy letting you know, like you
be having spain this girl, I'll see the left deal community.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
We've been contemplating on how we kicking you out well
like this nigga want to be called poppy drawing the
line man, you have to brew? Are we are? Girl
and brew? How do you let me tell you? I mean,
it's nothing like it's it's nothing like uh, Friday night
in Colombia. You know, I'm telling you, it's a lot

(01:27:10):
of places. It's a lot of places. What are you doing?
The hole? It's beautiful. I'm like I've always I've always

(01:27:33):
loved you know, Latin music and and Latin food and
like the the you know, the fire of Latin women
and dance and all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
All of our Latin music comes from Africa as well. Yes,
trying this for bad Boy five. That will. Let me
just tell you something that we were so excited I

(01:28:06):
worked out about.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
You're doing you know what we're doing the Rocky Steps tomorrow.
Yeah you heard. I could have I could have hit
your team. Your team is so official. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
I was like, you know, I couldn't bother them, Like
everybody was a fit and I couldn't download the album.
I asked him about seventeen times about the album, everything, everything.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Yeah, it was so efficient.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
But we're doing the Rocky Steps tomorrow because that's my
dream to run the Rocky Step. So now it's gonna
be mostly Instagram meaning I'm I'm running very.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Fast, Yes, got it, and I'm gonna go up to
the hill. Yeah, I'm gonna be like yo yo yo,
Yeah you do that. Yeah yeah yeah. Is that how
you trained for Ali? Yeah? Oh no that yeah, no, no, no,
that was a good yeah. You know, my mouth was open,

(01:29:14):
but you with all these real trainers, right, No, it
was real. Yeah, okay, because I wasn't. I wasn't the
boxing classes in South Beach, yes, and you walked in.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
Actually I don't know if you know the trainer was
still working at that at that gym.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Act as Ali. Yeah, we did. We did a real
fight camp. So it was it was you know, real fighters,
Michael Bent, Uh, Charles Shooter, James Tony and you know
it was they wanted me to train and to you know,
have a sense of the experience of what it was

(01:29:49):
like to train for a real fight. So we went
real real and Michael Michael Bent was like, you know,
mentoring me and James Tony was the one that he
no actors, So James, Tony would hit me real, James,
Tony would hit me for real. Yeah, And I was like,
I'm gonna give you the act. He would screamed. He

(01:30:11):
would scream, bite your mouthpiece. When he was throwing a punch,
he would say, bite your mouth piece, you know, James, Yeah, James.
I was like, James, seriously, come on, man, come on,
I got it. I don't work with no actors. We
fighters in here. You know if Jake pulled child you

(01:30:36):
to a fight, would you take it? Man, I'm too
old for that. Good that that joke is strong. He
is he we you know, you know he made, he made.

Speaker 7 (01:30:44):
He's not.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Working his way to being a professional fighter, right, but
you know he was like he was a champion wrestler
before he that. Yeah. Yeah, no, he's he's he's he's real.
You know, maybe now on the professional level, yeah, but
you know as a as a fight he can fight
for real. Yeah. People an't like you can has an

(01:31:08):
affinity for the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
Be honest with you, not since my father's older friends,
I've heard somebody use the word joker.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Joker. Every time you use it, I crink.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
No, bring it, bring those old school joints back.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
If you don't know that East coast when the when
the East coast say, man, that joka, that's up now.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
The person place and I'm looking at well and now
you were using in your rhymes to it. I'm telling
you use that that that's the only good I had.
So joka joka is that just genera But let me
just say, jokat a lot cooler ship. Yeah, we got
we got so much schools. But step give me something,

(01:31:56):
give me But joking, like we say, joker, this joker
all the time, that joke, it must be out of
his mind. But that y'all, y'all, y'all, yeah, ya, y'all, y'all, y'all,
day that joint that really that jo yeah joke would
just make me say, damn this grandfather to ship right
here out here. It makes me makes me I don't

(01:32:20):
want to accept except man, I use Beijing, I used
we want y'all you used me one No, no, mine
is just like this all the time. Man, Well come
on a little bit. I know many my ship would
probably look like that. Yeah, yeah, for sure, I'm on

(01:32:40):
the verge. If you had one thing to do all
over in this industry, and that's anything. What would you
do one thing to do all over again? You know
it's funny like once your once your past things right,

(01:33:07):
there are very few. You know. There's a song on
an album called Beautiful Scars, right, So what the the
idea is you You don't like shit while you're going
through it, right, but once you learn the lesson, you
never want to give it back. Right. It's like you

(01:33:29):
suffered it, you survived, you took a lesson from it.
Now it's like the things that you have suffered are
in your eyes when you talk to your son, right,
if you ain't been there, you can't help him, right.
So to me, it's like, you know, I wouldn't you

(01:33:50):
know when I look back, there's like there's not things.
I mean, of course there's things you know I think about,
but I wouldn't. I would never from this side of it,
I would never give them ours back.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Because you're looking at it like whatever you've been through,
why you're here now, makes.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
You who you are? Right, It's like you you're you
can't be more valuable than your suffering. And that's a
really that's a hard idea you learn in this world
by getting smashed. That's that's how that's the sound shot. Yes,

(01:34:32):
but like most stuff sounded like a shot. Can we really?
I'm sorry because you're so deep, but I really want
to open up. Will Smith therapy. No, no, I'll be
a therapist too. Yes, you're gonna be the therapist. I
can't be. No. I don't know. Man, you gotta get
trained something. You might just throw the problem. That's like,

(01:35:02):
oh yeah, somebody like struggling with. Somebody thought something that
they struggling. You know you you got something, nobody. Yeah,
come on, step up, cut, come on, come on, come on,
take up. We've seen real struggle. We've seen it. My

(01:35:22):
chicken nuggets weren't that good. Let's go cut dude, you
gotta stave you step back like shark take Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:35:29):
Yeah, you me your therapy already. Somebody I'm like up
with a problem. He's like you back up, back up.
It's like yo, and you got to make sure you
you ready for this.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Yeah, he's on the way here on the right head.
I lost a friend that I spoke to him Sunday. Damn.
Sorry to hear that. Man.

Speaker 7 (01:35:53):
The last three months I lost five people. Food as
you get older was closing and you get to look
around like, damn, friend, how do you deal with that
older me?

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
So you have more exprience. Absolutely, so he got deep.
I was already a grand grand clothes like anoy, your.

Speaker 10 (01:36:25):
Celebrity ran open the grand clothing, go to the OUs
of Joan.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
What we'll say. Yes. So it's funny because I talked
to Quincy Jones about this, uh you know, he said
that exact same thing, probably eighteen months ago. I was
talking to him and he was like, man, I've been
a funeral every week, you know, and you just you know,

(01:36:53):
you just get to that point where that's what it is,
you know. And he was like, I'm the last one,
you know. And so part of the idea so death,
everybody in here is going to die, and before that

(01:37:16):
we're going to experience a series of our loved ones
at the party. Right. So, reconciling death is the highest
human difficulty as soon as you can be with So
for example, my sister was with my father in the

(01:37:39):
room in the moment that he died. My sister did
the makeup on my grandmother in the in the casket, right.
So but because of that, she's gangster, right, she can
be with life and all that it has to offer. Right,

(01:38:05):
So I would say to you, don't shy away from
their families, go sit with them, like look with them,
Like be with what that loss actually means inside of
a human heart. Like be with it, and you you

(01:38:25):
will break your heart in that. I used to do
the Make a Wish Foundation and would be dying children
who their last wishes they wanted to see me. It's crazy,
right to like be to be with death is the
final human reconcile when you can sit and look and

(01:38:49):
you know, I was just I was actually I was
talking to Gilly, right, and I had to I made
a confession to to Gilly the other day. I was like, yo,
when your son died. God bless. I've reached for my
phone multiple times and I didn't have the courage to
call you. Right. It's like death is the hardest there is,

(01:39:11):
Like don't run stand it, Like be with the people
that are hurting, Be with the people who are suffering.
There's you can't fix it. Just be able to be
with people in that level of pain, right, and it's
all you can do. It's like we're not we're not

(01:39:33):
in charge of that part. But what we can do
is love each other through it. That's all we can
do is be with each other.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
I'll be something because no, no, I say something because again,
like I witness you downstairs. I see you get out
of the car, and I've seen the security god, the
same security god that said hi to me, she said
hi to you, and you just you just stood there
and you just open your arms and you just accept
what life brings you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
I'm also jealous of that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
It's because, like I automatically, if someone says up to me,
I'm like, I don't. I don't immediately put you broke
your hug.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
Excuse me?

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
You bring your arms out for a hug, And I
was like, what the fuck? And I can't think like
that sometimes, like especially if I'm in the far in place.
I mean, obviously it's not a foreign place to you.
But when I jump out and the person says to me, yo,
what's up, I'm like, what's up. It's like even when
I jog, like if a person's able up, you got
to like actually get me out, And I'm like, what up?

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
Yo? You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
But you or the accolades or the places you've been,
as soon as you jump off the car like and
I do this like for the past nine years. I
analyze everybody as they get as a car, analyze who
they talk to, are analyze if they speak to the
regular individuals, they speak to the orf they want to
want to come in and get this interview over and done.
Because we're not a emotional people. We don't we don't

(01:41:01):
care about interviewing people when they We care about interviewing
legends and icons and making sure they iconic legendary Statugyes continues,
continues and continues to grow.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
But something that was so genuine about you is when
you jumped up the car you see me, I saw you.
I was like, damn, this nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
He looked like the wild wild West right now, it's crazy,
it's crazy, Like this nigga is real.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
It's real.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
And then and then the security guard said, I will
and she had just did the same exact thing to me,
and we spoke and you know, I gave her a hug,
but your hug was way more genuine in minds, right,
He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, it was
real because I was just like, all right, cool, this
is this lady I gotta talk to to get upstairs
and maybe I should.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
So I did, and I did it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
But your hug was like, Okay, I ain't see you
in a while. And I was like, I don't know
if you said you see you in a while. Your
hug said, yeah, you didn't see you in a while.
And then I recollect to what you said to us,
Welcome to Philly. Yeah, yeah, that's not normal, Ship. Yeah,

(01:42:07):
you know, it's it's some.

Speaker 7 (01:42:09):
It's it is.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
It's new for me.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
I've always been I'm letting y'all know for twenty five
years we need this is yea brother.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
I told brotherly Love this morning. I'm like, oh, this
is waw Ship talking about fucking will Smith his brother
loved twenty five years. Yeah, my bad man. But so
so what I thought, you know is, you know I

(01:42:43):
saw y'all you know, so you know, I greeted everybody,
and I saw her off on the side of the
security guard was like, oh, you know, because Honda, they
they know each other, they're doing the things. She didn't
want to, like impose. So I was like, no, no, no,
you safe here, sister, come on in. So I was

(01:43:05):
like I wanted her. I could tell it's the end
of her work day, workshift, she's going home. So in
my mind I saw her go like that to me
is the highest she like she saw. So I wanted
to fan the flames of that energy.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
You know how hard that is to understand human behavior.
And within that fifteen seconds. Back in the days, we
could sit there and you could be like, I know
this guy, and somebody's gonna say, Yo, that's rainbows from
South Bronx. He's such such so you can actually, but
now we have fifteen seconds set to see if this
person is worthy of our time or not. But you

(01:43:44):
did it in fucking three well, because everybody's worthy of money, right,
He wasn't judging it. Yeah, way like there's nobody who's
not worthy of my time. That is some niggas ain't
worried my time. You're a much better person than me.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
I ain't gonna lie. You know who you are. Some
of you skip your call or purpose. I see you.
This is me. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Let me take
a shot. That's hilarious, man.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
But everybody's worth for your time. That's such a beautiful thing, man,
I promise you. I'm going to try to live, but
I'm not gonna live like I'm not gonna sit here.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
And lie to you, you know what I'm saying. But
I'm I'm going I'm going to try my best to
really feel like everyone is my time because there's certain
people that like that call me, ask me, are you
having another monster energy event? That's who you don't follow
me on Instagram? Like why are you asking me this

(01:44:50):
crazy thing?

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
But you you think that everybody not everyone. Most people
like when you go to target, you speak to people
you're not going to target.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
So so first of all, if you don't know who
the person is, you can't really how would you know
they're not worth your time? You can't judge that, Yeah,
you don't know. And then if you're gonna mess around,
benefit to look at somebody based on how they dressed
or something like that, you know, and you know, so

(01:45:24):
part of so, part of the revelation that I've had
in these past couple of years is everything is God right,
So everything is one thing right. So the idea of
something being higher and lower, something being good and bad,

(01:45:45):
that's a that's a false perception of reality, right, that's
not that's not a real because you can't you can't
know what something's going to lead to so even something
you don't want, even something you don't like, just because
you don't like it doesn't make it wrong, and just
because you like it doesn't make it right. Right, So

(01:46:08):
you you actually you can't know, You literally can't know
what the future is. You can't know if we're gonna
go downstairs after that and you're gonna be lunching and
walk out in the street and that girl grabs you.
Better not be my wife right there, right right, you know.
But it's like like, you know, don't give me no,

(01:46:35):
no no. If my wife there and I'm walking down
the street, that girl need to let me get hit
and put your hands on me later, you know. But
you can't you we don't. You don't know what's gonna happen, right,
You can't. You can't know what when you're gonna cross
somebody's path again or something. My grandmother said something to

(01:46:58):
me when we first got on the tour bus for me,
Jeff Willie, this is your first tour, first tour period, yes,
like you know, nineteen eighty eight or something like that,
first time getting on a tour bus and my grandmother
said we're getting on, said bye, baby, she said she says, okay, baby,
just remember everywhere you go. One day you're gonna have

(01:47:20):
to go there again. This is a grandmother that was
sitting next to you during the on the now that
was my mother. That was my mother. Yeah, my grandma,
my grandmother, she passed. Let the grandmother that found the
curse curse work. I found that. That's why you don't
really curse that. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, you let other
people curse on this out. No. Yeah, you think that

(01:47:40):
you ain't curse, but you let the nigga. Okay, he's smart.
A cursing character characters another person acting, so it's different.
I gotta learn this acting shit. Yeah, that's my goal.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
Right now, I'm going to Will Smith act in class,
going to Will's. If there are people me and you
are a partner, Will will send yes, Will Smith network,
but it's really don't let nobody know that, yes, your partner,
sil secrecy. Will Let me just tell you something, man,

(01:48:17):
I really respect you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
I really.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
Once you understand that you laid the blueprint for every
rapper who wanted to be something more than a rapper,
because rapper was the quintessential level to where we wanted
to get at At one point let me take off
my glass to like a Macaolmax.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
But then you hugged Uncle Phil, and then you you
brung gangsters.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
Regular people, street people, people who pack bags and wall bounds,
people who deliver food for six brothers. You bring them
all together because everyone had that little missing part of
their heart, whether they had a father or they didn't
have a father, they had something that was missing in
their heart. They did that. Then you went on and

(01:49:07):
then you conker. One of my favorite movies the all
time is Enemy of the State. You know what Enemy
of the stated? You remember that?

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
I remember that one. That one I was there, look
at me, look like because because I asked you earlier, what.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Was your most serious role? And to me it was
Independence Day? You and vivocat together. That that was That
was too like the black actors. They put you all
together and independent that Yeah, that was crazy. July fourth
was different. Yes, big, okay, that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
I was I'm like, year was that ninety six? That
I can explain? It's cooled d what jail? Yes, you

(01:50:18):
can explain. Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
Now listen told you bouncing around? Yes, now I realized
that you and Michael B.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
Jordan is out of line, out of line, out of line,
out of line. He's going to explain in a second, everybody,
and I am legend died. How the fun is the
part too? All right, coach? So hold on, by the way,
I want to I can explain to a war or something,
all right. So there was there was a there was

(01:50:51):
an alternate ending that came out on the d v D.
I got ye in the alternate ending, my character Liz. Listen,
ye seating right now, but I respect it. Listen. Oh yeah,
and I hadn't bring this. I wanted you to say this.
Oh I believe you with that. No, you can't have it.

(01:51:13):
You can't have it, but I just want you to
because about it. Take a picture, well, let's take the
figure with I want one bulf Okay, I'm sorry, I
don't want to do that, but get yeah, so I
am letting you yeah, no, no, no, you see how
he was with this, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
Case listen when when e f N he has like
little takes yeah right here yea. By the way, if
you touch his take, even though this is your tape,
it's my it's your music, get pause. That's it too much.
Watch watch how you.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
He's gonna throw away into your wills.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
Okay, So she was throwing that like this, and he's
talking like this. It feels like, calm down, guy, But
I am lesgend. I'm gonna be honest with us. I
watched all your movies bad boys every day. I did
watch that alternate ending. Yeah, but I also realized I
was making up a bag like let's get another bad No. No,

(01:52:17):
you misread it, you miss read It's me. Let me
tell you, let me tell you the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
Let's go. So, here's the truth of what happened, all right,
the ultimate see what had happened was what happened. So
the alternate ending was the first ending, the original It
was the original ending, was the original script, and it
was based on the original novel. We tested it and
it was the only movie I've ever had that the
audience booed at the end, at the end of that

(01:52:44):
ending when the so in the in the final scene
where they come in and there around me and the
alternate ending and the the Dark Seeker, what we realized
and the alternate ending is that he realizes the one
that I was keeping in the room was his woman.

(01:53:04):
And I realized it was his woman, and he was like,
you know, the meaning of the ending was, oh shit,
I'm the monster. They think of me as the monster, right,
And we looked up at the wall and we do
the shot up at the wall, and you see how
many of them I killed? And he looks at them
and looks at them, and he looks at me and

(01:53:26):
then he goes in and gets his woman and leaves. Right.
So that was the alternate ending. We tested it and
the only so how they do these things is they
put it in front of an audience. You know, you
get a couple hundred people. They fill it out, and
you fill out you know, there's five boxes and you
say either excellent, very good, good, poor, very poor. And

(01:53:51):
what they do is they take the top two boxes
and if you score, you know, ninety percent in the
top two boxes excellent and very good, you're pretty sure
you have a good movie. It was the lowest scoring
movie I've ever ending. So they score the whole movie,
but it was because of the ending ending, okay, and

(01:54:12):
it scored fifty one in the top two boxes, and
we were like what So then then they fill out
the thing and it was like basically across the board,
it was like the ending is bullshit, that's bullshit. He's
not the monster. They're dark seekers. They've been chasing them,
and there was something that was just horrific except they could.
They was like, no, you're not the monster. We didn't

(01:54:34):
watch this whole movie to figure out that you're the monster. No,
they're the monsters. So they felt cheated. So six weeks
before the movie comes out, we had to reshoot the
ending that was actually in the movies where my character died.
That's in New York City where you wasn't here. Yeah, right,
so where where my character dies in the end actually

(01:54:56):
is the alternate ending, right, So it's the it's the
alternate ending. But we we were faithful to the novel
in the in the previous ones. So when we did
the new ending, it scored ninety one in the top
two boxes, and it was like, it's just one of
them weird things that happens. It was like, how much
does that say about us? As I know? Right? Yeah?

(01:55:17):
Humor yet watching that No, but it was it was,
it was It was like a major save. We saved
it because people, the audiences hated it, right, but it
was what we originally wanted to do. So we were like, well,
we we shot. You know, it was probably an eight
million dollar ending that got scrapped. Wow, right, because we

(01:55:38):
were special effects and all of that stuff in it.
So well, so we ultimately we were like, well, we
got to use it. We got to use it somewhere.
So we put it on the DVD, on the DVD
and Blu ray, so people saw it, so it popped
up online and all of that. And then later the
writer Akiva Goldsman, he's the Academy Award winning writer of

(01:55:58):
a Beautiful Mind, and so he's like, hey, what if
we made another one? What we were going to do
is the prequel, So we were going to do the prequel.
What happened before, So we were going to go back
and do the prequel. And he was like, but wait,
what if we make a new version from the alternate

(01:56:19):
ending where your character is still alive? And you know,
Michael B. Jordan's character currently is the head of a
new settlement. So he's not your son, he's not my son,
not my son, not my son, my dark seeker son.
Well he's an evil right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:38):
But no, so uh well, no, I can't tell you
to movie, give me like a long nobody watching this ship. Yeah,
right right now. Just want to people that I am
legend fans like me and I love the fact that

(01:56:58):
we're doing the number two.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
But he said we we do, we do. I love
to be doing another one. Will you know? You said
we you know? We we do? We knew well, but
I love the fact that you do.

Speaker 3 (01:57:14):
But I wanted it so so for people that's fast
like me, make it makes sense for them. Tell them
that you we got we had d N A left over.
Michael B.

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
Jordan is coming out DNA left off just making up ship. Yeah,
I thought you you established that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
But that's that there's not d NA. How does Michael B.
Jordan come to assistance? Does a dog eat him?

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
No? No, the dog there's a dog practically, I'm so
when he was jogging and I am like other people. Adult,
You're not doing a good job selling this movie right now.
I'm not telling Michael George's movie. No, this is your
new social media get him over here. No, no, no,

(01:57:57):
it's really it's a it's a it's a cool concept.
So uh or currently Michael Be's uh character is the
head of a settlement.

Speaker 3 (01:58:07):
So there's a settlement in Connecticut. Right I'm gonna be
honest will is the settlement is no judges. There's no
nobody in the pregnant.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
So you're gonna you're not gonna watch it, or you're
just gonna watch everybody dead. Everybody's not dead your life.
So there's other people. You saw the girl and the
little boy. Take it to the shot, last last shot.
We're gonna get your flowers. We get you up there.
You think you will, I know you got you. We

(01:58:39):
go us. There's slow time of life. Thank you man, Hey,
listen man, thank you man. This was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:58:48):
Please have listen man, come have form with us anytime you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
You own Miami, Miami, Please please in Miami for sure.
You know that's my town. Yeah, come by hang out.

Speaker 3 (01:58:57):
It was beautiful for us to come hang out with
you Andiladelphia, because one Philadelphia is a town I couldn't
as soon as as soon as I landed, I thought
of trading places immediately and I couldn't realize why. And
I realized that actually trading places happened here. But let
me get back to the point. Well, because of my
man Lex man, you know what I mean, big up

(01:59:18):
to your whole team being so I mean, they were
so official, so efficient.

Speaker 1 (01:59:23):
I don't even know if I'm making sense, but get it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:26):
And they were so great, and I just want to
thank you so much because so many great people like
you have a terrible team, and then so many people
have a great team and then they're terrible people.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
Oh wow, you actually got some shit worked out.

Speaker 3 (01:59:43):
Like I mean, for nine years of me dealing with
every artist from fifty said to you, name him, I
don't want to keep name dropping. I'm telling you this
is purely a pleasure for me. Your album is fucking awesome.
I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:59:59):
I'm sorry to say this, but I was listening to
it like there's no way he could still be this hungry.
So I was actually listening to it for a flaw
and I didn't fly in one. And the thing about
it is, I want to salute you for that. I
want you to know that you appreciate it. I want
you to know everything that you did because in a
certain way, had you not rapped and went to Sitcom,

(02:00:20):
from sitcom to movies and then dominated all these worlds,
we wouldn't have had that from us. He's a DJ, me,
a rapper, us to go to podcast, so in a
lot of ways. You might own Drink Chances, but we
could do a deal for Old Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
You know your part of it. We thank you, man.

Speaker 3 (02:00:38):
I appreciate you man for taking your time out. And
I just want to say something before this is all up.
He didn't ask me to say this, lexing next me
say this. No one asked me to say this. This
might be one of his best albums.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
I love that. No what do y'all say? I'm not glazing.
No cat, no cat, no, no can't no blazer listens.

Speaker 3 (02:01:05):
Listen to that ship and I'm gonna tell you this
just in case. And by the way, he did not
tell me this. Listen to the first two tracks.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
If you're not.

Speaker 3 (02:01:16):
Intrigued, adapted, and want to continue for the first two traps.
First two tracks, excuse me, You're not human.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
That's it, and you can be an I am legends.

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