Episode 454 w/ Linkin Park

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right now?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
When we talk about legends, were talking.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
About legendary groups, legendary things that happened legendary. These brothers
have transcended with rock and roll music.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Scenes.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
They are.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
To me, they are hip hop group.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
That turned rock.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
I feel like a lot of the roots are hip
hop because I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
I can rhyme to every one of the beats like
I'm listening to it today. I'm like I had a
rhyme to every single song, Like I wrote a rhyme
to it. These brothers, you beat me. I was in
the back of the car like that, I said, rhyme
to every one of these fucking beats. Let's get straight
to it, because we ain't playing around. We are introducing
the honorable one.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Only let you.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
And that's barkling Water because.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
That's that's the bad luck, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
I mean, you guys on a sixty five fucking tour athletes.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Fine city. I'm I was gonna say thank you for
bringing out the good Japanese with good Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Thanks, right, that's right. So let's explain this tour that's
going on right now. What what cities are you going?
What cities are you excited to go to?

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well, the thing is, it's such a big tour for us,
like we we we haven't done a tour with this
many days in more than ten years, maybe more than
fifteen usually told thirty days, correct, I mean for us,
probably longer in a year, but this one is like
sixty five. It's quite a bit longer.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
And listen, is it worldwide? Because that's that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
I know.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
I was joking with you guys off camera, but it's
something that I really do mean right, right, it's a
broader scale of the audience you guys have, right, So

(02:56):
what cities, what's what cities are you looking forward to?

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Well, what do you think that? I mean, we know
the biggest ones, like the places where we have a
really crazy avid fan base, the ones you know, we
were German, Our German fan base is big. Are our
Chinese fan base is big Germany, lots of we do,
we go, we go to we go to Germany all

(03:20):
the time. Yeah, but you know, on each tour we
do real well in South South America. You said China, China,
that's crazy China. Yeah, Like so on this run we're
not even hitting China. We've got quite a big fan
base and.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well we we.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
We we booked the dates before all that stuff happened.
But yeah, we're not hitting China, we're not hitting Russia,
and we've got big fan bases in both those places.
It's funny because actually the US is one of our
like comparatively, it's one of our smaller markets.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Get from the beginning or has it evolved into that?

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Down? Yeah? Probably up and down. How about North Korea?
We haven't been uh no, we haven't been there yet.
Ever been there?

Speaker 4 (04:02):
I like him Jones. Like I'm just saying, like, he's
like a cool dude to me.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
See, like he's like, you know what I mean, he
liked basketball, he was out there with you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (04:13):
He's a he's a he's a hair style influencer.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Right, did you see the movie the interview? I didn't
see it. Oh you didn't see it the movie the interview.
But they made fun of him. Yeah, like he put
a hit out on him.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
So you guys have been able to do something that
other hip hop acts I haven't been able to do.
You guys collaborated full fledged with jay Z. Holy moly moly,
how the hell? But by the way, by the way,
he has to be one thing about jay that I know.
I know him his whole career. He has to be

(04:49):
into it. To be into it. He will not do
something for money. It's not like that's not him. How
what happened when y'all got together?

Speaker 1 (04:57):
What? What? What? What was it? He had to be
a fan of you guys. Yeah, well, okay, so this
was after our second record, So first record came out.
Tybrid theory was was by the end of the cycle.
They told us it was the biggest record on the planet,
and I was like, oh, I didn't it didn't register
what that meant. Like I was just thinking big is big,

(05:18):
like but like Britney Spears and whatever, like those kinds
of groups. Pop groups were big, they were probably bigger.
And that our label and our manager was like, no, no,
your your record was bigger than those records. Wow, And
so good boy. It happened so fast that it didn't
we didn't wrap our heads around it. And then so
we were already going straight into the second record, did

(05:40):
a second record that did also really really well, and
then so that's where we were sitting in our career.
And then Jay was just getting to the point where
he was he was probably a few years from that
moment where he retired what was it unplugged or something
like that. So what they did is the the mashup
was like a hot thing the moment Danger Mouse ray album,

(06:04):
and MTV realized that a lot of DJs were doing mashups,
and so they went to Ja and they said, hey,
we want to do a show that's like a mash
up show. Would you kick off the first episode since
you're the like you were the first mashup that somebody
did really that blew up, and they said who do
you want to do it with? He said yes, and
then they said who do you want to do with?
And he came back to them and said, Lincoln Park.

(06:25):
That's crazy Jo and they told us so then they
His manager was John and Eely and and Jelly rowe
yeh yesterday yes. So John went to our manager and
he said, this is what they're thinking, and whatever do
you want to do it? And I the response Instead
of giving them a response, knowing that it would just

(06:45):
lead to like questions, I just made three mashups because
that's what I do like. So what they didn't know
is that's how I learned how to make music. That's
how I learned to make tracks. I didn't. I didn't
grow up like wrap making a track and rapping on it.
I grew up before that, taking stuff that I liked
and mashing them up in order to learn how to

(07:07):
make a beat. So i'd like mash up. It'd be
like a break beat, a whole break beat off of
like a soul record, and then like Wu Tang Clan vocals,
and then like rage against the machine and smashing pumpkins,
and then maybe some Jackson five thing like all these
fucked up things that didn't make any sense. But to
me it was just I was just vibingmixes. I was, yeah,
I was just like learning, And so that's how I

(07:28):
learned to make I did. I was, yeah, I was
doing it on this weird little sampler called a originally
called MS one. It was a role and piece of
shit and then eventually Aki S nine hundred and then
so yeah, it made those And that's how I learned
how to do it. And so when they called, when
they send us the message, it said Jay wants to
do mashups. I just made three mashups just as like
a proof of concept or whatever. I sent it to

(07:49):
them and Jay's response was oh shit, and he knew
immediately like yeah, we've got to do this is the
right thing to do. Oh yeah. There wasn't any conversation
that I was just like, what are they going to do?
The first thing I gonna say is like, well, how
should we go about I'm just I don't we don't
need to do how should we do this? Just the
music is either it's works or it doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
No, But you know Sins walked this way right, Yes,
run DMC walked this way, you know, the rock and
hip hop thing.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
It was so perfect the Beastie Boys. Can't forget BC
boys doing it as well.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I actually think it went back further, Like to me,
the the things like like like led Zeppelin on their own,
Like I think if they had the power to sample
or they knew to collaborate with people, that they would
have done it. But they were just assimilating like soul
and R and B and older rock for sure, right,
and they were definitely they were making, they were making.

(08:42):
They were putting that into this rock thing that they
did as a British rock group. Right. So to me,
I listened to that and I heard hip hop because
I didn't know any better. It's like thirteen fourteen no.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
But for me, I'm listening to the EP and I'm like,
this doesn't sound forced at oh, it sounds like I'm
going out on the line there. Did you guys record
in the same studio as Jay?

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah? Originally not the original material like but his he
had so much music out before, okay, Right, like I
grew up, we grew up listening to like what records
do you remember? Sometimes we would talk about Jay Jay's records,
like when you're just talking you're making songs, and you go, oh,
you know it's Stipe. Is the balance on? Like can
I get a what like that? That balance is so cool?

(09:29):
Like I wish we had a song that had that
kind of groove, you know, and so you'd just be
thinking about that and that would kind of influence the drums.
And then then we pulled from other things, like other
ideas we had. But that I think that sets up.
When we did the mashups, it was like, oh, it's
already the hip hop element's already in there, like I
just got the origins of it.

Speaker 7 (09:46):
It's like a lot of times it just goes back
to these break beats that you know, Wow, they're just
part of the foundation of everything we're listening to.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Now. Is that something? Because I kid do not to me.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
When I listen to you guys music, I can hear
the hip hop bass in there. I can hear it,
But then I also also understand that it's a whole
other crowd, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
What I mean.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
But like I said, like I'm sitting there like I
don't want to be an artist no more, but I
can't help myself and the whole time, I'm sitting there
and I'm like, I'm rhyming to your shit. So is
that something you have did consciously? Like, because anybody who
loves hip hop has.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
To love your music.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I feel like it's I feel like sometimes may have
been intentional, but other times it's just like it's baked
into like what we like is what we like, Like
this is what I grew up on. And we were
talking earlier, like it's like before we got into making
rock music, I probably listened to like two to five
percent of the music I listened to was probably rock. Okay,

(10:53):
it's probably like ninety percent hip.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Hop because you guys are like the hip hop heads
of the band. I wouldn't it seems like it, that's right.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Do you think that you.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Guys bring more of that perspective? And it's ever like
anybody will saying, nah, it's maybe is leaning too much
to hip hop.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
Or well, I think if you're alive today, it's like
hip Hop's is undeniable.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
It's everywhere, right.

Speaker 7 (11:12):
And I think for us it's just a matter of
over time, doing a lot of work and focusing on
you know, in our case, especially in the early days
hip hop and then it's just like oftentimes more than.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
That, you hit a wall, right, I want to do
this thing, I can't get it.

Speaker 7 (11:28):
And actually where there was some old tapes I was
watching of us making this record. We're talking about some
vocal stuff that Mike's doing and he's like, ah, like
I felt like I I just like kind of hit
a ceiling on what I can do at this moment.
But then like magically, we just make the right track
a half year later and it's just automatically, it just flows.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Did you ever have a verse where like you did
the verse on a beat and it sounded okay, but
then you didn't release it or whatever. Then later you've
heard a different beat and you did the same verse
on the new beat, and you're.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Like, that's perfectly like what happens like that?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I have, you know, at this point in my career,
I got so many verses that are like almost they're
like maybe they're half baked but not quite done, but
they're close and they have a vibe, and then I
put them over the right track and it's it fits.
So let's talk sex and drugs and rock and roll. Okay,
I love that. That's where you talking to the.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Rock yes, because because rock and roll has a lot
of sex.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I got over cocaine yesterday.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
It was crazy rock and roll.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yes, how is that? How is that such thing that exists? Sex,
drugs and rock and roll? Absolutely industry in general.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
My own answer, but what do you what would you say?
Look like you did a line before?

Speaker 7 (13:05):
Actually no, not I haven't, but good Joe's in Miami,
now okay, yeah, go ahead. No, I feel I mean, yeah,
I know you don't want to answer it. I feel
like no, I feel like it.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
It's funny because it was really notable when we came out.
One of the things people said about us all the
time was all these guys are so much less that. Wow,
Like the groups that were out before us were really
partying through the eighties and Motley Cruz in the eighties,
huge like that's what they were all known. They were

(13:42):
biting bats and ship like that, but they were they
were out on sunset. I don't know if you ever.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
Spent much time in like probably like Hollywood, Holly.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
I've never really got it.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
So those guys they lived stories and they were just
constantly like back and forth between the club where they
played and the girls back to the place where they
stayed and they lived.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
It was all day. It was a culture at that point.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
So yeah, so that was their culture and I grew
when I grew up, it was the It was like that.
It was. I was little when that was ending. So
I was reacting to like I was looking at you
were talking about run DMC boys, like that was the earliest.
The first record I ever bought were those records. Yeah, yeah,
license to Ill, uh Hell Raisin Hell might have been.

(14:29):
I might have bought another Runny MC record before that. Anyway,
The point is that that was the beginning of me
listening to music, and so all the music I listened
to his hip hop and then those the kids at
my school at the time, everything was real separated if
you based on what music you listen to. So our
table we all listened to rap. Those dudes they all
listened to rock or metal or whatever. We had beef

(14:50):
with them, like we hated them. They fucking hated us. Yeah,
but that's how it was. Like we were growing up
in these like I was in you know, uh in
the in the San Fernano Valley, so like like it's
the joke is like that that school where ice Cube
goes to in in the movie. In the yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's it was basically he so So Cube and a

(15:12):
couple of other people, like it was known that that
he in particular went to uh school in my neighborhood.
He so d was up in the valley where all
the white kids. But it actually wasn't all white kids.
In the movie they show all white kids, but in
the reality it was there's a lot of Persians, a
lot of Jewish kids.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
But that's where that's where Cube played.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
So So in high school. High school. Yeah, so they
bust they bust all those kids up because they wanted
to get them out of the hood to get like
better teachers, better education, whatever, because they have more funding
up there. And so what happened is they all came
to our school and they all get got integrated. What
happened for me, for us was that he had already
graduated that point then. Yeah, but to say you went

(15:52):
to the high school with Cube, I know, I didn't.
We didn't. What happened was all those kids were still
getting busted up and they were bringing their music. So
the kids from downtown who listened to Iced Tea, who
listen to n WA, listen to all that king t
all that stuff. They came up and they're like, check
this out, check this out. And that's how I got
all the music I grew up listening to us from them.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
M yeah, manakes noise? Do you have a story?

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Short? No sex, but don't ask how the other thing
that by the time we got like since we were
the next generation after we were like people would say, like,
we're more about our business, Like we were trying to
be artists, get make interesting creative ship and handle our
business so that it stayed afloat, like so it didn't
fall apart because those dudes had already come out been

(16:41):
intoxicated whatever, and their business fell apart because the people
they handed it to like cheated them, Right.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
There's story to deal with.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
The stories are like all their attorney cheated them, their
business manager cheated them, were the label whatever. So we
didn't want to be victims of that. So we were
always like, well, let's be like clear headed and smart
and we so we didn't party so much.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
From So, how did you guys come up with the
name Lincoln Park? Was you at Lincoln Park?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Oh? It was a park in Santa Monica, Uh huh
and uh Chester our singer. We were looking for a
new name. We were called Zero at the time. It
was x c r oh. That was our name, Man,
that was your name, Zero Zero. That could have worked.
And then our name was Hybrid Theory. And Chester was
a part of those early so Zero was with a
different singer, Michael friend Mark Uh and Mark became a

(17:28):
music manager. He man now manages a ton of great
rock artists, so he did. He ended up doing great.
And then we got Chester and we had changed the
name of Hybrid Theory, and then that wasn't gonna work
for whatever reason. And then we were looking for a
new name. And Chester was sleeping in his car. He
was out from Arizona. He didn't have a place to
stay yet, and for some for whatever reason, he didn't

(17:50):
decide to stay with me. I asked, I think I
offered it to him, but he didn't do it, and
he stayed near Lincoln Park and he brought it in
one day. He was like, what about this name? Wow,
And we changed the spelling because at the time, every
like a dot com was powerful, like having your own
name dot com was to do. So we changed the
spelling to l I N K I N in order
to get that dot com park dot com rest in

(18:12):
peace to thank you. Yes, sorry, so we're gonna gonna
do quick time as fine going already. Yeah, give them
the flowers first, man.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Show us about giving people today flowers, and we want
to give you y'all flowers face to face man and man,
tell you how great your people are, what y'all did,
what y'all doing to the industry, and continue to move.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Man.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
We really respect y'all and we really was honored that
you guys chose us to speak to the public.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
You want to give you so well, yeah, by the way,
this is this whiskey is gold fantastic.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
And we know y'all represent the whole band, but you know,
thank you for for coming would.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Be yes, yes, I mean you know it's thank you.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
So we're gonna do are we going to explain the game? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (18:57):
So, well, you've got to get designated drinkers for you
guys me unless you're.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Gonna know, I could probably do it.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, you want to designate a drinker.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
It's rare.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Come on, yeah yeah yeah, birthday pull up? Make it?

Speaker 1 (19:16):
What are you drinking? Right?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
You gotta drink what you know?

Speaker 1 (19:20):
He has to drink? He has to drink with you pick. Okay,
what do you want him to drink? He has no choice,
He has no choice.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
Yeah yeah Japanese okay, cool, yeah, ready Jamie, Yeah, it's
not like Okay, explain the rule.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you could have chosen something that'd be painful.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
No, enjoyed his birthday.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's what I would pick for myself.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
So this is our drinking game. We're gonna give you
two choices. You pick one, we don't drink. If you
say both are neither, which is the politically correct answer,
then we all drink.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (19:58):
And it's really just to bring up names and stories.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
And by the way, this also is Yeah, we're going
to be bad at this. I think you're gonna be
very brilliantly, very glit good story. Decided to be a
little little politically correct.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
It's all my best to not be Okay, if you
do that, but give us good stories too, I'll do
my best.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Jevity whiskey, Yeah, yeah, whiskey. Yeah, Okay, ready for the
first one. Yes, I know what you're gonna do. I
got a sense of what he's going to do. Jay
z or Nas.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, I'll go Jay. Okay, Jay Okay, we have to
explain why. Yeah, yeah, I've actually never met Nas. You
never meant that's which is like I feel like we
were like a degree of separation at a certain pay
that I just I could hear how I love it, by.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
The way, what you guys love.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I love Na's work and I saw I went. I
bought tickets to his show when he came to l
A like a couple of years ago. Wow, I'm a fan.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (21:06):
So okay, on Tupac or DMX, DMX, I was say
pack any any any reasons, any story.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
I only say talk because well I mainly say talk
because I never met poc Tupac is it was such
a well rounded artist and like he was like he
had that that other level of like thoughtfulness, like the
way his mind worked it is crazy. And I think
DMX did too, But I just I think it really
came through in the in the songs.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
When it came to you guys, ever interacted with X.
I feel like X might have been some of the
festivals you guys I met.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
I met X play the show with them once. Yeah, yeah,
we played with I think were the ones. Actually I
was thinking of that one where he didn't notorious that
he always showed blate for everything. So we played one
of those shows where I remember we were saying backstage
like should we like go to the next show, or
like he's going to show up? But I did actually
end up meeting him. We did a song. I don't

(22:11):
know if you know this. We did a song with
rock Him. Yeah. Yeah, we had a song off of
our one of our heaviest metal records, and the song
was so it was a super song. Yeah, this is
a song like six minutes something that's about that. It's
like this Metallica style six minute song. And we displaced
in the middle where I was thinking of doing a verse. Actually,
they were saying like, you should do a rap verse

(22:32):
on this because that's the most unexpected thing you could do.
And my brain was like, well, what can we do
that be even more unexpected? And we managed to reach
out to rock Him and he drove because he doesn't fly,
you know, he drove out from New York all the
way out to l a verse.

Speaker 7 (22:49):
Who's the best?

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Talk about talk about tem about you? You went way
too fast, so you said, rock Kim drove from New York.
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Either yo, that's leg I'm taking a shot. Even though
you ain't cute.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I mean, how did you work with the man? I mean,
look it all start. I'm not gonna there's not I
can tell you. I can talk about this for the
whole thing. But the moment when he got there, he
came in, I think he came with his wife, right,
and then he when he came in the door, the
engineer there was like a runner, like a lower level

(23:34):
engineer kid who got the door, open the door for him.
And this kid's got to be like seventeen eighteen, that's
no idea, eighteen nineteen, that's what I thought. That's what
I thought. And this kid opened the door and he practically,
he practically bowed to this man, like everybody knew. You
couldn't you couldn't avoid it. Like Kim came and he

(23:55):
literally the kid like like avoided his eyes, opened the door.
And when he left, the kid who was fucking shook
And that made me more nervous. I was so nervous.
But but the reason I mentioned is because like because
of that, so we did the thing with him, got
the single and whatever, and then Rock Kim came back

(24:17):
to town later to do a show, and he did
a hip hop like a like an old school show
that had EP m D on the bill and DMX
was on the bill and so on and so forth, and
so backstage I got to go say hi, and I
met all of that and it was one of the
as a band, just like one of the coolest.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
I tell you, I'll tell you a cool story real
quick and we get right back to you, guys. I
see Nas fan out with rock Kim, and that made
me like, it made me say, don't ever not be
a fan. Of course, don't ever grow out of being
a fan like that.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
That's the point of our show.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yes, yes, yes, don't ever.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
But when I got to see and what I'm saying
is rock Kim brings that out of everybody.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
That's my point I'm trying to say.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
But it was office and and Na says to be
you know, Eric being Rock Kim is doing a show tonight.
Do you think we should go? And I was like,
you're leaving the ship up to me. I was like,
we already there when we went, and it was crazy
because Nas is still like you know, Nas is very

(25:19):
you know, financially secure, He's very artist and secure but
I just watched him and I just I was like,
what do you call that ship? I was people talming
him almost like I was just like looking over like
and he knew every word. Like there was workers that
Rock Kim was performing that I've never heard of, like

(25:40):
an album to see nas like fan out to the
guard rock him Like you're saying, like, look like the
kid didn't want to make eye contact. That's that's who
he is. He's just like the ultimate guard. So I'm
gonna take a shot today.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
I got got legal poking, all.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Right, rage against the machine or system of a down.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
That's not fair.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah, I know those are the two guys that right,
it's the Colombian and the Dominican.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
They over there doing a lot of cocaine. We don't.
We don't judge them. They don't do We don't judge.
We don't do cocaine. I just took a shot for free. Yea, Yeah,
that was fun up, that was that was fans Paul. Yeah,
I can't. I can't do a shot. I can't. I
gotta do it.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Same for you. You're same both too.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, I think the world is a better place they
both exist. Yes, Yes, heavy birthday. So, by the way,
shout out to the System of Down, who I think
a couple of the guys probably see this, but I
know they're like touring again. They had they actually stopped
touring for a minute and they came back together and
it's it's an exciting time for those guys. They're playing

(26:52):
very big shows. Light our first show, System, our very
first show was with System of a Down. Really we
were first out of three, first of three at the
Whiskey with sx ten, same same area that all those
glam bands doing cocaine play that and we uh, we
were like, we played it?

Speaker 2 (27:09):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
What did they call that? Like consignment? Like you have
to like buy your you know, like that you buy
it from the promoter for bucks and then you can
sell it for five bucks. Yeah the rest. That's how
we do that show. That was your very first show,
very first they had just gotten signed wow.

Speaker 7 (27:24):
And another band was sx ten, which was that's right
send Doug from Cypresshill's band.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
Yeah, so it was like Cypress Hill and System of
Down in Lincoln Park.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
That's that's kind of dope.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
This this is a super hip hop question right now?
All right, By the way. I don't think there's a
right or wrong answer to this. I'm leading the witness.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
Just give them the question, Clan or n w A.
It's tough fun I don't think it's the right question.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
I don't know what this is like.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I feel like I feel like I have I feel
like I have an answer that I feel like I feel.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
But I feel like the Internet is going to fucking judge.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
I don't want to tell I don't want to say it.
I whisper really loud in the microphone.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
I'll be judged, So please let's be judge. You know
what's funny about this question too, I'll tell you my answer.
I love it when when? Because when I think of
n w A, I think of a period of time
when I was That was when I was younger. I
listened to the Way first, and at that time I
bought every single thing that Dre. Dre's name was on
everything he does, even though what was her name, Miche

(28:39):
about the Michelle record, which I didn't like. That wasn't like.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I Love you with the Voce Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Record. She was amazing all the way through like yeah,
well into death Row and all that. But I feel
like there was a But coming on, I my grew
of friends for some reason with with Wu Tang. We
My friend had an eighteen inch tall Wu tang w

(29:09):
in vinyl on the back of his Honda Civic. That's
how obsessed with my friends were that obsessed with Wu
Tang and I was as a function of just being
friends with all them. So that's a hard that's like
the hardest thing that you're saying me for me. Both
of the things we were formative, like they were important
in my like coming of age and music or whatever.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
But the truth is that I probably listened to Dred's
ship to n w A and dra ship.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Does we Actually that's a does Dre When you say NWA,
do you just mean nw A as a group?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
This is whatever crits here in your mind that you.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, oh, well, Dennis Wu Tang because there's only how
many NWA records are there? Only three? I believe it
was well, yeah, yeah, through record war if you want,
if you reconcruit thing.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
That wouldn't count as an w A w see.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
It was like that's the one that's one oh one
hundred miles months four But I but I yeah, but
then Wu Tang you've got the Wu Tang records and
you've got all their individual I listened to all those.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
If you do the individu well yeah, there as a group.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Taking the shot. But he didn't answer. He was very confused. Yeah,
I went, I go, Yeah, I go, and who would you? Oh?
I think before n w A, I really liked hip

(30:38):
hop and then n W came out and then I
love hip hop. Wow, it was it was more. It
was more than just hip hop.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
It was w A.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Right, Yeah, that's how I felt. N W in Public
Enemy did that there were a rock band.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
They had something to say. They were bold and they
didn't give a funk, said the police. I was like,
holy ship did say.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
That even in my opinion, like it.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Was in I think it was your show that when
you talked to Dre, he was talking about like he
treated it like I mean, I don't think he knew
at the time, but it was like he was actually
creating a world, like he was like expressing himself. That's
how he looks at it now as like a looking
back at it. He talked about how he, you know,
being creative, right, Like he wasn't like just oh here

(31:20):
it is like this is how oh yeah, no, are
He was like inventing this whole universe, right, and that's
I think that's what we what resonated so much with
us with the with.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
The Wu Tang thing that I don't know what's banned,
but there was something that went viral somebody from a
legendary rock band saying that he heard Wu Tang and
it and he got something from it that he knows.
Was it Stone Tiple, Pilots or I know, you think
it was maybe more even older than them.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Was it was John Chi?

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Okay, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
Yeah, it was like crazy, right because people are like
they didn't gather that from what he was saying, but.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
He said that influenced them a lot.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (31:55):
And then with with Wu Tang, they were just especially Rizzo,
was just doing unusual usual stuff.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
No, and the way they did when they came out,
they like brought brought it back to the essence, dirtied
it up, you know, and it was, Yeah, it was dope.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
When Tank came on the scene, all right, so we
took a shot, right, we did.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Okay, you can have this one, sir, Okay, okay, let's
Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. Oh, Zeppeline, Damn I would have
went pink Floyd.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
So why didn't you say that? Because I knew I
was wrong. The Beatles are rolling Stone.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Beatles for me.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Yeah, you said yeah, just because I mean the animation,
any interactions with these legends.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
I would take acid with the Beatles, like if like
I've never take they won't take what you.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Want to know we did with Jay you took acid.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
What we did, we did. We did the Grammys with
Paul McCartney, Like, oh, but let's clear the room. Not
on acid. Yeah, I'm gonna see the concert right there.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Than you've been.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
And I can hear call me, like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (33:13):
You just let them say we did that.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
That's one of those things where they'll edit together something.
No acid with any but nobody. You look like you
would be a good accid god. Maybe. Yeah, I appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
The hardest strugg you ever did you did okay once
did not never never me neither.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
I don't want to please me though my hand. Either
you've done.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's why you show show ones under the door.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
You've done cocaine before, right, that's why you drinking spark
on the water the.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Shirt that's cocaine.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
He was selling it. Actually I'm not going to I.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Didn't want to say it earlier, but you definitely have
the best shirt.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
On in the building. That's what you want shirt from
the beginning, so that's even I was like, dam my, wife,
that's the shirt I would like. I was like, in
my mind, I was jealous.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
I was like that show I think I got in
MAUI holy ship. Oh are you you want to?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah? Well, so we were talking about it was I
was so into it.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
That you didn't do cocaine. Nobody believed, but you have
done No, no, not yet. Damn a looper or push
your tea.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
That's fucked up up. They're both incredible. If I if
I feel like we just uh, a friend of us
just we just who we just saw at lunch said oh,
Mike like push us as high. So if not for that,
I would probably be like taking it shot right now.
But since I feel like it was an omen, I'm

(34:51):
supposed to, so we go and push your tea. I
mean Lupe didn't say hi, Okay, that was incredible. Made
me want to take a shot. How about you? I
had I had dinner once at Loope's mom's house, so
I think I got to pick I feel like we

(35:12):
got to get shot because of the confusion we have
to make up.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
That's a bull shot. We're trying not to make you
make your flight. Just lett, we want to keep you here.
I'm sorry, I just we love you, an don't let's go.
Let's see on some DJ ship executioners mm or the
scratch Pickles.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Okay, we can't do this thing where if we if
we differ, we're going to take shots every time. Okay, Okay,
the rules are written hot somewhere right, He's right. I
don't know, I know, I know the scratch field pickles
a little bit. The X Men executioners are that's Rob Swift, Okay, yeah,
the clips and all. Yeah, so that's yeah executioners.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
The DJ sid over here, time to take a drink?

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:11):
If it wasn't for them to just like trying to
one up each other. Yeah, back in the day, it's
like each of them individually and as cruise are just.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
No, yeah, un incredible.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I mean for people watching who don't know about that,
Like I I didn't know about it when when I
met Joe, he was the one who told me, oh,
check this this battle out, check this DJ out like
it was that was around ninety five ninety six, I
think when it was really hot, like those those crews
were innovating every few it felt like every month.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Yeah, and shout shout out to the Allies from out here.
DJ Craze are Homie. They were part of that.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
That was like that was that the same generation or
or slightly they were there were Yeah, they overlapped, but
there who I mentioned were a little earlier executioners.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
Yes, Stress Pickles and Allies came shortly after and you
had eight tracks that comes out of the Ally.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, incredible.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
This this is absolutely one of my favorite questions on
Quick Time Islam Analog or digital?

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I probably do digital? Really, yeah, I would have lost this. Yeah,
I do digital because it's the it's what I'm the
most familiar with. Like I'm I'm I like the sound
of analog. It's it's there's nothing that can beat it.
But in terms of the way I make music, if
it if I was stuck the analog, i'd be I
would I wouldn't be able to make what I make.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
It makes sense because because that's the way I was
watching something about you guys, the way you would produce music.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
And He's from a group called Made, and it reminded
me of you guys. You guys don't do it like
a traditional.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Where I'm familiar. We we we uh. They opened for
for was it four minor? I opened for Yeah?

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Yeah, yeah, So I would see their process and it
was in what I saw you guys is similar. It
was like not a traditional band that jams out together
like you guys are like with files and and put
like you know, like sampling and the sampling self, you know,
playing stuff and and it's dope.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
It's like hip It's basically like hip hop production.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
We learned.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
That's how I learned.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
I need a leak. We we got one of them.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Why did you wake with two eyes?

Speaker 5 (38:19):
Man?

Speaker 1 (38:20):
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I was like, I don't know what to do it
that week because you know why, I'm getting a music
balk come getting like you know, like yo, listen you
one of those like.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
You know, you know when Super Thug came out, Okay,
we were like, oh wish we made that song. That's true,
that's true. We were like it felt like a punk song.
It felt like a rock song. There was so much
energy doing so much Oh my god. I was like
I was at the punk rock man. Yeah, I said that,

(38:58):
I said, did you really say that? I really did,
because you know what I like? I like the white
people crowd do likenest. Did you see how happy I
was yesterday? I'm like that.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I did it twice, Iran.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I like white people. White people, they're not a party.

Speaker 8 (39:19):
Man.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
I'm characterizing that and the most nonever. I like this
partying man.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Excuse I made a record my own boy.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I came to party because I meant that.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
I like the party man, you don't like.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
The I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
I have fun back on some DJ ship rock Raider
rest in Peace, Mester J rest in Peace.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Oh that's a tough one. So rock Raider, jem Mess
That's tough, I get.

Speaker 7 (39:56):
I mean it's it's kind of like the n W
A who tank questions, like different importance for different different eras.
For me, when I decided, Hey, I want to be
a DJ, I was like I was looking at rock
creator M like he was instrumental for you, Like how
do you.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Do anything that he does? But but jam aster J
came first, right, so like he I feel like DJ's
later wouldn't have existed without.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
I think he was a big inspiration to turntablism to
an extent, like the Jordan or Lebron question.

Speaker 6 (40:29):
Yeah, that's important different. So I differ with Joe.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
I'd go with jam aster j just because I wasn't
a DJ, Like I didn't listen to it that way.
I just he was the first time I heard somebody
scratching records that I was like, oh, that's and he's yeah, yeah,
that's true too. Yeah. But he was also he was
doing the juggling like they'd wrap over the juggling, and
that was just like he was like like it felt
to me like he was inventing a new lane.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Which there was a lot of DJs for groups that
were doing that, but he was at that time run
DMC was.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Just the biggest. It went Proud Alive when he's just like, yeah,
what's the track that the Live at the Funhouse?

Speaker 6 (41:04):
Right, isn't that the one where he does the big
beat joke?

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, it's the same. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
So for the people listening who don't know what that is,
just most of you, go listen to.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
It, go do the research. Digging in the crates.

Speaker 5 (41:19):
That's my favorite ice question. That's Cuba iced team too
easy easy for me, see, although I did fall out
of love with Cube. For a moment when he did
that Black Korea song.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
What's Black Korea? That was the that was the certificate. Yeah,
that's a racist one. That was the one where he's
making fun of Asian I'm half Japanese. He was making
Asians and all of the Asians in l a friends
and then do it like the supermarkets. Yeah. Yeah, for
a moment, we all got mad at what Yeah you know, yeah,

(41:58):
I think you were It was.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
The you were in.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Okay, it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Really he had a record it was it was Yeah,
it was a questionable moment. Did he apologize?

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Did to make it right? I feel like he did
a version of an apology, which I don't know if
I was listening at that point, I think I think
he kind of did, but I didn't. I wasn't checking
for ice Cube and I came back.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
That's crazy because that's one of his best albums. The
whole record is so good. I considered one of the
best albums.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Hip Conflicted. I was super conflicted. I was like, I
love this record so much. On that record that was
was a physical he was using slurs. Oh, okay, okay,
ship I'm so not prepared for this conversation.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
He's like, I just want to go back to the
white people.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
White one.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I like white, sorry, like white non guns and roses
are Motley Cruz.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Oh that's guns and roses from me. Yeah, I said
the same, I said guns and ruds.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
The name is guns and roses man.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
And it's funny because, like I said before, like when
it when it that was hot, like when it was first,
when it was as big as it could get. That
was the time when I hated it the most because
I was there was guns over our table, our table.

Speaker 6 (43:29):
Our table was listening to rap the other guys other
table was the guns ru.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
What's ill about them?

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Is?

Speaker 5 (43:35):
I remember I clearly remember the seeing Axle wearing the
n w A had on stage.

Speaker 6 (43:39):
Back then, we didn't have Twitter, right, so like it
could all just be like bullshit like that.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Some kids said to me, well, even now, even worse,
we don't know what's real.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah that's true. It's almost hundreds of information. I try
not to let me just tell you something. I love Twitter.
I go on there, fantastic, tell me more. Listen. I
will take a picture of.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Something that no one can hate on a white bunny rabbit.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Okay, I'll take that a white bunny rabbit and I
post it and they'll be like, that bitch is ugly.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
You like, this ship makes me.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
So happy because I'm like, your life is not great,
Like there's people out here who hate everything, and just
remind yourself of that.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
So I will post a picture. I swear to God,
there's nothing there's nothing wrong about this, right, I'll just
post this.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Somebody will be like, fucking bitch, your cup is ugly.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yo. Listen, now I can start my dad, like, I
know that there's someone somewhere that hats for no reason.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
No usually they're happy as fuck, but they just their fucking.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Twitter fingers say some bullshit. Twitter is the best.

Speaker 6 (44:54):
Actually, this is the thing that that I was thinking this.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
I was thinking about this this morning because this show
you to Get he goes, Yeah, it's loose you talk
about about it's god damn, it's just banter. But it's
it's looser than most. So I was thinking about that,
and I was thinking about how one of the things
that about the social media thing that that kind of

(45:19):
that we don't ever talk about is the fact that
with our so we've got a new a new lineup
with our band We've got Chester Passed Away. We took
many years off basically as a band, and then eventually
we ended up meeting two new great members.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
We met a new singer named Emily and a new drummer,
the girl Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
And when we eventually relaunched the band, we did it
through a livestream show and they could hear like the
instead of it being like us giving you a pr
like press release statement or something, we just played music
and we played a new song and they could see
her singing the old songs, and just like everything else

(46:02):
on the internet, people just jumped up and like everybody's
gonna have Yeah, they're gonna have their opinion positive negative,
and then also in the middle like they didn't they
were still making up their mind. And what's been really
interesting to see is we go through all the tour
dates and more time passes, is you see like people
who were like super haters in the beginning, all of

(46:23):
a sudden they're like change their mind and now they're
like at the shows and talking about it. And then
other people who are like hearing that you're fucking stupid,
like they get so mad. Internet it's total chaos. So
I think That's one of the reasons why I don't
go on much personally. They're talking about the thing that
I love, Like I don't know this is actually this

(46:44):
is a separate set. Good do you feel because this
is almost like a question for another rapper, like do
you feel as do you feel so so passionate about
the things that you've made that if some they took
it away from you and said you can never make
another record, that you can never get in the studio,

(47:05):
you can never rap again, you can never make like
you want to somebody to do that you lost your voice,
and can they do that to me? Now?

Speaker 5 (47:11):
I don't want to make another Bob Sorry, oh you
don't want to make It's to me.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Not being able to do Lincoln Park is like I
have like a hole in like I'm missing a piece
of my like like if you have not, I'm incomplete.
If you have a peace of mind, don't go on Twitter.
But I don't like my peace of mind right Like
I I'm fucked up. Like I kind of like this
negative ship because I'm from New York City.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Yeah, I know in New York City, negativity is positivity.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Just use it in the right way. So this is
my way.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
When I go on Twitter, I will take a picture.
I promise you I'll take a picture like something innocent
like this. And I know they're going to find a
negative part of it, but some of though actually accurate.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Some of them will be like you should have, you
should have it's doubt this part. Did you look at it?
You're like, yo, he's right. Criticism, criticism, it's.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
Fucking fucked up criticism. But so you've never been on Twitter?
No I have, I haven't, And.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Just just being honest with you, it's very dangerous. It's
a lot more crazy like you sound like, like like
Jerry Seinfeld, like when he talks about he was on
some night uh late night show talking about his wife,
like people don't understand, like when he likes something, it's

(48:42):
because he can complain about it, like he's the miserable.
Part is the part that he is.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yes, I've seen that.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
I don't remember. He said it better like I don't know,
I don't I'm not in his mind. But that's it
sounds like that he's in New Yorker too, right, Yeah,
what's wrong with you guys?

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, look at them? Since you're happy, you know, I'm
being honest, let me just tell you something.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
I haven't been in New York in a long time,
but every now and then I fly to New York
just to get negative and I just come back.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
I just I just need a little bit of some
negativity in my life. And this is this is the
safest way to receive it. Negativity.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
You just go to New York and you will be angry.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
It's like a negative song.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
You Even in Manhattan and the rich, they have a
place called being Ares Road. I stayed pretty much down.
Is that the restaurant that they touched it to you?

Speaker 1 (49:40):
No? No, no, no, no, that's that's in Paris. That's no. No.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
But there's one in New York that I I mean,
I saw doctor Spot.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
No.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
My people just being.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Fast people love. That's what's the name of that little
cafe cafe. It's not Cafe Habana.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
It's in Paris.

Speaker 7 (49:57):
No.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
No, this is like in in New York City. Talk
ships to people.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
They're so that's their thing. At least it was. I
don't I haven't been there recently, but they came down Cuban.
You go in and the and they'd be like they
just like point and you're supposed to know that they mean,
go sit and you sit down and they're like, what
do you want? And if you don't answer right away,
they just walk away and like they get five stars
because the food is so good that you'll put up

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with the beating in order to eat the food.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Hey, maybe that's that's a business idea.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Man.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
It's very New York though, Like I feel like there's well, no,
I saw a documentary but a diner in Manhattan. But
this is an old documentary, so maybe the spot's not
around where they that you sit down and you look
at the menu and then if you don't do anything
in a cera amount of times, like get the fuck
out of here.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Yeah, like they start screaming at you and talking shitt Okay.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
That's what you like.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah, so you mean that's not going to ship.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
He's mean and if you if you don't comply to it,
it's like he kicks you out. I mean you do that.
It like Carnegie, that Carnegie Delli like right, my family
there and he wait, wait, you tactically did that to
my children.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I was like mad at him. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm
not fucking with that. That ship dude.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
You guys are both from California. Yes, California. So you
guys do not understand that New York Allison.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
We've been in New York. You know.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
You know what was my favorite group of all time
from California? And they were dropping disc records? Who the
Beach Boys?

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Oh that's right, you've said this, Like, I actually like
his idea of this, go ahead. The Beach Boys was
dropping disc records. Back then, East.

Speaker 5 (51:36):
Coast West Coast started with the Beach Boys, he says,
the East Coast West Coast beach.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
You know, remember the records? Were they beating with the Beatles? No,
they was like the Beatles. I was saying that they
had a thing the Beatles and Beach Boys had.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Oh no, yeah, he's literally.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Saying that was so tell me about this was like
a creative competition, like who can make him more interesting? Okay,
that's different than what you're talking.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Do you you?

Speaker 1 (52:04):
I don't do I look like a beach boys type
A gay an l A beach boy l A. I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Okay, have you been to Venice? Yes, my friend Alchemist,
this is from Venice. I took a shot at him
the other day.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
He sent it to me.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
He's like, what he's not from Venice. He has a
studio in Venice.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
He has a studio.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I don't think he's from Venice. I believe he's he's
go back to the beach boys this and he's goot beach.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Boys said, he's a He's like, could and make me
from California.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
It's about the girls. All the pretty girls should be
from California.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
How co dis respectful?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
So that's automatic shots fire?

Speaker 1 (52:50):
That was shot? Yes, then Tony, Tony, Tony did it?
Said you had a No, you had.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
A better reason.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
You didna directly from the.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Only one is connecting that.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Right then, California guys been taking shot to the East
coast for a long Yes, he was like, there's like
it might be cold on the East coast, but on
the southern tire of town it never rains in southern Coli.
How you why you got to say this East Coast.

(53:30):
We know we're freezing. We know that we're wearing Timberland's.
This is not a fashion statement. This is actually because
we're cold, sir, and they've been going at us, you
guys with your nice weather.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Let's finish quick. I'm sorry, I'm so happy man, I'm
just being we're here here in Miami. I'm gonna take
a shot to that Miami, definitely.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
He came accordingly.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
I do love the weather today, really really really I'm
matching too, are we?

Speaker 7 (54:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Yeah in this lighting you are? That's fine?

Speaker 5 (54:12):
And you l a.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Shot. No, no, he's no your rules. I love Miami, man, like, okay,
black Sabbath or a C D C skips? No? What
all right? I asked the question. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
I don't know the question is you said cypriscail or
this but no, no, like sabath of a C D C.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Is okay, pick cypresso okay, I don't know the wow,
the one is black.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Sabbath a c D a c DC for me, yeah okay?

Speaker 5 (54:51):
And the one we skipped is what he's saying, Rick
Ruben or doctor Dre and I know you guys worked
with Rack and we want to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
That's so fun, I was, I.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
I said to somebody literally the other day who asked
me name.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
I don't know. However, many of your favorite like the
artists that if they didn't exist, you your music wouldn't exist,
and that those were my first two things out of
my mouth. Is Rick and then and then, like I said,
I owned everything Dre had, But I think Rick was first,
Like Rick was the first person that I went, oh,
his name's on all these records, Like he was the

(55:27):
first person that I paid attention to. I'd say it's
definitely Rick because he's he's the He's the first person
that made me wonder what a producer was.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
He made beats of slippers. I mean he we did records.
We did a couple of albums with Rick.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
So our experience with Rick was very different than what
you know, like the Beastie Boys experience would have been,
like the stories they tell her that was young Rick.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
Yeah, No, he by the time you guys got a different,
very different Yeah. And and he has like he has
a book.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
He's a book full of his what's it called the
Art of Creativity or creation or something, Yeah, I forget it,
something like that. And I love that book. Like I think,
like if you, for all the people that have never
met Rick or watched Rick work, like if you took
that book and just set it in your studio and

(56:21):
every single day before you started working, if you just
flipped it open and just read whatever it comes up on,
if you just read a couple of pages of that.
I feel like it'll set the tone in your mind,
like a better way of thinking about being created. He's
that good that it's like just by reading his words
in the book that you're you'd be in a better
position to make good stuff.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
For people who don't understand, because I've seen things where
people try to criticize the way he produces, saying he
doesn't actually play instruments, he doesn't know how to write music.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
What is his production stuff? How does he produce someone
like you guys?

Speaker 7 (56:53):
I think for us it was a matter of us,
like if you think about the first two records, theory
of media, or to kind of go together like chapter
one and two, like this is part of the pairing.
At a certain point, we want to well, we were
fans of recrubment and it's like, oh shit, like we
can dig into his mind on hip hop and punk

(57:19):
rock all that stuff. But what he actually ended up
doing for us is getting to know us as people
as artists and knowing that we had to get over
a hump in more ways than one, and just help
help guide us along.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
It's like it's very psychological with him.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, yeah, well we needed to like reinvent the band,
like we needed to be a different on our third record.
If we had done the same thing that we did
two albums, if we had done the same thing as
the first two albums on the next one, then we'd
be stuck doing that forever. So when we went to him,
we said, he said, what kind of album do you
want to make? And that's what we told him, is like,

(58:00):
want to make something really different and this is why.
And he went around the room and had each person answer,
so he heard it from each person in the band,
and then at the end of it he said, good,
I'm glad you said that, because that is the way
that I would want to work with you. Like if
you didn't say that, I wouldn't want to work with you.
This is the way, and I agree with you that
that's the thing for your band to do. So we
spent the whole time on that third record taking what

(58:22):
we thought was the park. We were actually not. We
were over on a street called Laurel Canyon. Did you
know who Harry Houdini the magician? Do you ever know?

Speaker 6 (58:31):
Herebook stories about that? Actual Houdini had a mansion and.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
This house was like there was a tunnel that went
to his health connected underneath to this other place. Did
you just say actual actual?

Speaker 6 (58:45):
Yeah, this was across they were connected houses.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
I think it was like his mistress. So Rick owns.
Rick owned, he doesn't anymore. He used to own that house.
And we made our.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Album in that house and house yeah with the tunnel.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Yeah. Yeah. By the way, that's the same place that
like system of down he mentioned before and read Hot
Chili Peppers, so you mentioned before, like all the people
that worked with Rich, a lot of them worked at
this house and there was there was good energy, good
vibes whatever there. We went there and we did it,
and that was the whole point, was to like get
outside of our what's normal. We were used to make
a record in a studio, so we went to this

(59:22):
house and made a record in this house and everything
felt very different. And at the end of the process, yeah,
I think that the whole point was to learn more
about who we were and who we wanted to be,
aspiring to be right not we weren't there yet, but
we wanted to be something that was bigger than what
we were, and he helped us kind of point us
in the right direct. It wasn't like here it is.

Speaker 7 (59:43):
It was more like, here's the direction and it's new,
so go figure it it, go explore. Yeah, I think
it was more important than producing that record at the time.
It was unlocking these things that we had within us
that we could just easily become trapped in. So it
was almost like, Okay, go make the next record, but
make as many records as you want.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
You guys ever worked at a lecture lady Jimmy Hendricks studio,
I don't think so. If I did, it was like
one day. I don't think I did, though, because it's
like I'm mixing it up with that. No, I don't
have it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
It's a cat, that's that's there, and they say that's
Jimmy Hendrix incarnated.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Listen, I just did blood work.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
The first thing the doctor told me was you're super
allergic to cats, Like I can't even be in the
same But for some reason, this cat does not make
me break out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
It's Jimmy. I mean, did you answer?

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
Rick relaxed, buddy, all right? All right, Timblin or Farrell,
isn't that like the what came first the chicken? And
I don't know what came.

Speaker 8 (01:01:04):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
Timberland would have been first. Yeah, right, well I don't
know because was working right, but we don't know. The
thing is, I think that's they're very close. Let's just
say they're in the same wee Lego Virginia, so oh
we've seen that straight.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
It's very dope.

Speaker 7 (01:01:28):
I would say Timberland for me because there was a
certain period of time or everything Timberland made like made
such an impact that kind of helped me think a
little bit different.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Have you guys worked with Timberland. Don't know why. I
feel like we think makes sense to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Me because Timberland worked on some of the J tracks,
but also we did he did like submit a thing
for that remix that one time. A yeah, he did,
like off of hybrid theory. When we were doing a
remix record called Reanimation. He Timberlin did send a loop
and it was almost like I wanted it to be great,

(01:02:07):
but everybody makes stuff that's like, you know, great to
not great, and he I don't. I feel like he
just put a thing, like put something in that was
like maybe not cooked. It was more like it was
almost like to see if we were interested. But it
didn't feel like the record. It didn't feel like our records.
I'd say I'll say Farrell though, just because of the scope, right,

(01:02:29):
like with all this time, like Pharrell is still the
he on his own and I think Chad, Yeah, I
think Chad is a genius.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
I think we can never not say the neptune when
we meant but if you but you said you said
Forell for sure, I think Farrell on his own, like
is it's super accomplished, incredible, It's incredible what he's what
he's done.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I feel like because it wouldn't be like a like
a Tyler the Creator without him, right Forarrell? Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Metallica, Iron Maiden.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Metallica Easy, Easy, But that was one of the best
tours we did his tour with them. We've done a
lot of shows with them, but we did a whole
summer tour with them at one point and it was
it was.

Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
Top top three tours that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
We did with. Yeah, we spent the whole summer. Was
it was like in the era of like just at
the end of like the new metal thing, like they
still had the long hair. They all the rock bands
were out and then that was coming to a close
and Metallica put it was them Limp Biscuit Us there
and mud Vein and like and we since we were

(01:03:36):
in the middle of the bill, it was it felt
like we were underdogs a little bit. We weren't like
we knew we were coming with like a really big
show and just the performance like we felt we were
on fire, like we were just fuck great and the
fans loved our music. And so every single one of
those shows we went and we killed like it was
just so much fun. And then that and that's unusual
for Metallica fan. I don't know if you know this,

(01:03:58):
but their fans are their fans are can be very
rude to their openers. They can you know, like they
hit their fans. We we there was one show we
saw this is a very common thing for their shows.
Their fans will show up and turn their back to
the ship to the performance and put their middle fingers
and they'll throw beers at the stage while you're performing.

(01:04:18):
And we didn't get any of that. It was incredible,
So they didn't do it. They did not do that.
Time Metallica get hot to thet. I just feel like
I just feel like I think the day it was,
it was. It was what you were saying earlier. There
was always were beer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Now I see them on some.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Jack Daniels or something like that. I just want to
go back in time and then you need to be
like an eighties glam rocknest you putt and glamor. I
don't know, I don't know, but he wants to drink
beers and like I want to, right, I want to
bite it back head o snake that ship maybe a
little earlier. I want to I want to back to
the seven.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
I want to do all that ship like, like, I
don't know, in my past life while I was white.
I'm being honest, Yeah, you're I know, like like like
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
You know, I said everywhere like because because I'm like
I love Jaeger and ship. That's really funny because I
do like from my experience on tour, I do feel
like jager is a very white liquor. Very I only
think of I do only think of those tours where
where yeah, you're in the middle of the country, this
is the only only white people. That was our experience

(01:05:29):
on a probably that that that oz Fest we played
as all those all those exactly sponsored by right now,

(01:05:49):
we we like, I think we like learned how to
be a band on like a long how to show
our know that they were all they were all getting
drunk him waking up, drinking pedialyte like rehydrate and then
going again every single day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
That was the ivy of the time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Again, like I said, think we were more focused on
like building our band and like being a little more.
We were focused. It sounds like you guys are so
that was not our environment. We had to learn to
go in there and like win those crowds over. We
had to learned how to like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
You know, so Ozzy Osbourne never came to he was like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Some I don't think he ever. I don't think they came.
I don't think, by the way, that's not I'm not
I'm not like making fun of Ozzy. I'm just saying
that was their tour. They I didn't see him once,
like I really, he didn't come hang out. They were
the headliner. Yeah, I hear, he's I hear. They're all

(01:06:48):
perfectly nice, like but he comes.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
I've seen some interviews seem likelish people.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
They live forever, so like vampires. I don't think it's
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
Think anybody from Britain dies like enough, like right, like
they get high, they get.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
British, you bring ship.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
I'm gonna be good to know you. He's gonna gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Honorable mention before we passes.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
When Iron Maiden by Far, I think has one of
the best mascots ever in Eddie.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
That's a great point.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
Like I love their mascots though, and I never have
an opportunity to say that. That is funny because like.

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
That character when I was young, when I was little,
like it scared the hell out of me.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Oh yeah, it was a terrifying character. Yeah, and my
crew we created it. We have a character for crazier productions.
It's kind of based on that a little bit. The
next Styles of Beyond or Demigods.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Bro, that's kind the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
You're taking a shot, I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
Cheers.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
I mean I never kind kind of a I don't
think so. I think I mean shout out to Demigod's
no style of.

Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
All right, no, take the last one. So that's the
last last one. It's my favorite. Loyalty or respect? Right,
I heard you ask this? Yeah, somebody said, uh, somebody
said on one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Of your episodes about like you could you could pay
somebody to be loyal, but you can't pay them to respect.

Speaker 7 (01:08:28):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I thought that was wise. I think I think you
have to earn respect, so I pick respect. I'm very
confused by the question.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
I like that, I like that ask you should be
What part of the question confuses I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
I think they're just kind of you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Could you say both? And that's why I think it
should be just both.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
I think they're interfined, you know, because why wouldn't you
want both?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I'm honestly with you. Go ahead continue.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Yeah, you can't bet. You can't have one without the other.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
You could.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
You can make in the in the most genuine way, right.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
Yeah, right, genuinely right, Yeah, and we're talking.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
About being genuine, right. Yeah. It's hard to answer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
So you got to drink. We're drinking.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Yes, he said both, honestly, one of the greatest answers ever.
Like how you said it, because I believe that, like
I believe one coincide with the other.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
That's why I always say both, drink.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Drink.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Just said.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
I've said this earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Because for me hip hop it's a very limited not
not I don't want to say limited, but.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
It's a certain mountaintop.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
H I want to take Biggie's line and say that
you ever think rock and roll will go this fall?

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
You know what I mean? Like rock and roll is like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Like I'm just saying where rock and roll comes from
to be clear, you know what the ultimate and this
is gonna sound crazy and I know my fans, so
I'm gonna I'm gonna say it the proper way, but
one of our ultimate goals in hip hop is to
get inducted in the rock and roll hold.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
When hip hop needs its own. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
I agree. I think that's weird. But what I'm saying
is it's an honor.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
It's an honor like l L Like when we find
out l L crop Quest is getting inducted into it
right now, shout out to outcasts and so on. Pepper
who yes, like salut. But so that's it's in a
certain way saying we respect rock and roll. Yeah, so

(01:10:50):
what do you say about that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Well, I've always said I've always said that I I
got into hip hop through the back door in terms
of my career, Like I could have.

Speaker 6 (01:11:03):
Just like a little way of like explaining it is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
When I first started like making my own songs and
then Joe and I would make songs together, I had
met the guys from Styles of Beyond through our mutual
friend Double seven, and they they I realized I could
go that path and like start making rap records and
like trying to break in. And then at the same

(01:11:26):
time we had this rock rap electronic like with this
weird mashup thing going on with the band that started
to happen, and I realized, Oh, that's like a way
that I could rap and express that part of who
I am, but do it in a really creative and
different at the time, very different way. And so I
could be I could get into that scene and like

(01:11:49):
meet rappers that I admired and work with different people
through this like back door. So so yeah, for me,
it was very much like I never thought. I never
thought that that would lead me to where to all
the thing, to jay Z, to you know, Rick Rubin
and all the things we talked about today. I didn't

(01:12:09):
that wasn't like doing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
The most hip hop ship. Yeah, at a point, right and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
At a certain point like influencing influencing hip hop kids
to try other things, like to try other styles. That's true.
Like people who come up to us of the show
case you want to I'm good. I mean, you know
you gotta a great host. I'm sorry, you're good. No,

(01:12:35):
but it's it's it's you know the now there's so
there's really no like boundary between genres at all. Like everything,
virtually everything I listened to, I wouldn't call it a
genre anymore. I wouldn't call it rock. I wouldn't call
it any It's just music. So that's the type of
music I like. And we're at a point where almost

(01:12:57):
everything is that way. Like the biggest records in the
world are usually records that are like blending lots of
different Do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
You think that's always positive that there is?

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Maybe not? I mean, because people can be a tourist
like that. The saddest part for me was when we
were doing when we were getting started and we realized
that there are groups who are doing adding hip hop
elements just because like, oh, now we've got scratching on this,
Oh we're rapping on this. But the guy felt he's
never listened to a rap record in his life. He's
rapping on this track, Like that's the type of thing

(01:13:27):
that we when we were making music, we thought that
was really corny, But now that doesn't really happen. Like
now everybody's heard everything, you've got access to everything in
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
You put your verses next to jay Z.

Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
I mean, to be able to be on a record
with him at the time, that was like a you know,
like I.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
Didn't realize how once you were like like on that
level with him. I was listening to it today and
I was like, wow, you really put this solf.

Speaker 6 (01:13:55):
But I feel like my best verses are not those
verses at all.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
The other way. Yeah, you understand how like how that
could have been tooken, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
The wrong way people could have just been But that
that lets you know that like that's really hip hop
in you you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Yeah, that makes yeah, I mean, do you consider yourself
or not in terms of being Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
like that's what That's how I started. Like I don't
even like we joke because I sing on the on
the new record, which by the way, I keep pointing here,
but it's like, actually on the I keep pointing at
the why do they keep pointing out here on the

(01:14:35):
new record, Like I sing a bunch? Of course I'm
still rapping a ton, but I sing a bunch. And
in spite of that, I don't usually call myself a
singer because I do think of myself as a rapper.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
First, God, damn, let's talk Grammys.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
You guys two.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Grammys nominated six times. I'm so I do have one
on one on my own. You got one on you
right now. You just get my own, but have one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
I just want to clear. I just will be clear.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Let's talk about it right now. I never liked to
do I gotta know I did.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
I did ie one just a couple of years ago
for this like remix thing that I did that it
was it was a they had a category for a
remix and I did the remix. And oh it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
It's funny that you didn't want to like you felt
like we're like, you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Know, bringing it up, and I don't. Yeah, yeah, how
does that feel? We actually, well, you can scull. You
got two.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Grammys, your Grammys.

Speaker 7 (01:15:50):
How do you feel that we did We didn't finish
answering one of the earlier questions, bring back into it,
that's what question.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
And if anybody has to take a pistous, you've been
drinking a lot of water. Here appreciates you. Just get
up and go take a pistole. No problems.

Speaker 7 (01:16:02):
But you asked us about doing something with the Beatles. Okay,
so we did Collision Course with Jay and part of
that climate around that time was danger.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
MOUs did the Gray album. The Gray Album, which is
the Beatles.

Speaker 7 (01:16:18):
And then we're like, okay, they're asking us to perform
because we're nominated, which is a good sign that something
might happen. And then we're like, how do we top
this off? And we're like, oh wait, what if we
get a Beatle? So we ended up bringing Paul McCartney out.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
On the song. But the crazy, but the crazy part
was that we asked him. We came up with the
idea like okay, well this brings it full circle right
like this this by the way, I can stop you
for a second. Please remember I just loveys.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
It's just so nonchalantago the most legend.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Sitting there. My heart is like this and you guys
are talking about the most legendary ship in the most
common way.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Please continue.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Well, I will say the the.

Speaker 7 (01:17:05):
Ward itself is great, but like the experience of doing
that right, it allows you to do these things and
that's what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
And on top of that, you know, we asked we
had done the Collision course thing with Jay. We did
a couple performances, like we had gone on stage with
him a couple of times. The record was did what
it did. It was great, people really liked it, and
Jay was ready to Jay was starting retirement. He was retired,

(01:17:35):
so we had the idea to do this like full circle, like, oh,
the mashup thing is was big. Now it's coming to
a close, and so let's do let's bring it back
to the beginning of it and do something with Paul
McCartney and Jay.

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
And so first we went to Paul's people and.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Asked if he would be interested, because if he's not
going to be interested, then the conversation's over. But he
said yes, We're like okay, cool. And then we went
to Jay and said are you interested and they said no.
We were like what and obviously shocked, and they were like, no,
he retired, Like he's not making music anymore, he's not
going to get on stage. He just wants to be

(01:18:13):
the he's doing the Deaf Jam thing. He's just going
to do that. Yeah. Yeah, he was the president of
Deaf Jam and he just wants to be the executive,
not an artist. And so for us we were like no,
you don't understand, like this is it's a big deal,
it's the Grammys, it's Paul whatever. So eventually they they
he made an exception because it was such a big

(01:18:34):
thing that he made an exception.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
That's a huge thing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Huge.

Speaker 6 (01:18:37):
And then we I mean we had to like, you know,
plead our case.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
And then we go to the the rehearsals for it,
and the way this man Paul McCartney like Sir Paul right,
he's a knight, ye, he's literally Sir Paul McCartney. The
way this man comes in and talks to people and acts,
I kid you not, like we did the rehearsals, camera

(01:19:03):
blocking and what just practices. And he came off the
stage and he saw this guy standing against the wall
like he was holding a broom. He was just kind
of like staring, and Paul leaves everybody and goes over
there and just has like a one on one conversation
with a man who's literally the janitor, and he sat
there and talked to him for ten minutes. Just made
that guy's whole life like it was. It was like

(01:19:25):
you see stuff like that and you go, that's how
to be right, that's like this is the man's he's
giving us a lesson in like, if you were to
ever even conceivably be a portion as famous and important
as he is, Like this is how you treat people.

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
You'd hope he'd be like that because the era that
they came up in and the whole like hippie movement,
they were about that, like they were freeness, you know, Like, yeah,
so you would hold that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Yeah, I think that's the way. That was the experience.
I got dope.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
That's dope, that's legendary.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
It was crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
I I just I'm blown away that you guys came.
He man, like, I'm really so ecstatic and happy because
guy's a legends.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Man. Thank you guys are out of this fucking world.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Yeah, accoladesia things that you've done in this and the
fact that you came to drink Champs and he's gonna
drink Japanese whiskey with me and I.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Did not know you was Japanese.

Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
By the way, there is there any hip hop artists
past and today actually both that you you guys would.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Love to like do a collab with.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Oh my god, so many, so many will give me
like a top five listen, Yeah, my top five of
what comes to mind? Uh, beast Boys comes to mind?
Wu Tang comes to mind. Kendrick Tyler Tyler the creator.
Actually yeah, Andre Andre three thousand, Wow, Yeah Andre. I

(01:21:08):
most recently Andre like came I was on. I was like,
just I had it on random in my phone and
that's this Andre song with Rick Ross came on. I
don't remember what song it is. But Andre's verses like,
it's so crazy is that one that ends with that?
The fan comes up and it's just boring, boring really
like the whole idea being he pours his heart into

(01:21:29):
these verses and then doesn't really care.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
I was like, wow, one of the all time.

Speaker 5 (01:21:37):
He's incredible. No, I really seen Andre playing the flute
by himself.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Yeah, you actually witnessed him in physically in Brooklyn. Nah, sold,
did you ask for a female female artist on my list?
Let me, I should put a female artist, Like, that's
that's fair, that's fair. Well made you add to femal
well to the group. If I made a female only list,

(01:22:03):
then it would be let's oh, that's a good point.
Well let's just say female rappers, because I'd put I
put I put Lauren near the top. Yeah, actually I
loved Digga dude. You know, yeah, Jean Gray, I could
hear Jane Gray. I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Really, So, who is the top five female?

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
I don't know, this is not this is not my
top five ever. This is just like just comes to mind.
I remember what. I also remember when I was a kid,
I heard Queen Latifa for the first time. I was
she's so confident and she's not like selling sex and
she's not selling that. She's like a real I don't know,
she felt like a like a yeah, she felt like
a role model.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
That was three she is.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Where are we at rod Digga? Oh? Yeah, she was?

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
Really I think I can hear you for lol so
que for lower Hall?

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
What about that? What's the other two? Allien girl? Oh?
I think it's bas isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
I should have said said she's Andre two.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Thousands of she's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
She's Andre meets title the Creator, but better as a
as a female. You know, like, yeah, I like that, Yeah,
I agree with you. Yeah, I agree with my my
my friend event totality. That's a big word for me
to use. Spell it never.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
But right here us for right he owes one more
two more more more female?

Speaker 5 (01:23:59):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Who with Joe. I have to look at my phone.
You got start your list. I feel by like hard
Driver is like, yeah, it's Radio range because I love
Lady of Rage who wraps? Yeah, he's dope? Are you
googling ship now? I'm just looking at my this is
my playlist, like it's not a real Okay, I got
all kinds of playlists. Who's new? Like?

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
And I'm sure there's a ton of doble artists that
we're not thinking of right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Now, many so many.

Speaker 5 (01:24:28):
I feel like there's a lot of good ones of course, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,
you gotta pick.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
What you want. Those just dope. What do you think? Joe?
What do you talk about? Who? Who do you want to?

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
Lots of y'all. I just wanted to throw this out there.
It is also a great coffee shop, Mike and Joe's.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Oh yo, wait, I.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Want to go to Michael Joe All that a cup
of Joe? I want you gotta go turntables there too.
It's got to be like a high five, like it's
a spinal bar. Yeah, that's a coffee shop.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
I want to go.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
I'm in let's go. You want to take a drink to?

Speaker 7 (01:25:06):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Yes, yes, I want to take a drink to that, Yes,
so I got.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
A poor again guy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Man, did see the line that people are you don't
get to drink right my drinks already?

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
No bro, you're not ready man, A right, no problem, bro, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Just came from Tampa doing five ka.

Speaker 5 (01:25:24):
He ran all the way from Tampa and then you
got a right here what you got?

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
The running thing is crazy? You know. I wish I could.
I Like you, remember you said the thing about being
allergic to cats.

Speaker 6 (01:25:34):
I grew up with asthma. I was super allergic to cats.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
I like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
You were allergic to running. I'm allergic.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
That's about taking his answer. That's much funnier I had.
I had like asthma all the time. So like running running,
like maybe it's like you the harder, the guy with
the used to be opposed to be. But I've got
like scar tissue in my lungs. So like breath control
on stage, damn is a thing. I always have to
be very how I'm doing in terms of like I'm
in my mind as I'm performing, I'm thinking like, okay,

(01:26:06):
am I am? I running on empty a little bit?
Like slow down a little bit so you have enough
to you versus where it is blank. That's your okay,
all right, but it's it's super good for as.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Super that's what they said. It cures as well.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Here's it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
I'm gonna be honest, man, don't don't us appreciate you
brothers for coming here. I appreciate you brothers for doing this.
I'm going to take another shot with you. Okay, this
is Japanese whiskeys. Do not know that you are Japanese?
Japanese you know that this is a slang. It's a yeah,

(01:26:49):
why have you been to Japan?

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
I mean, I'm assuming you have, but like how is
like have you followed your roots in Japan? Like do
you have family that?

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
It's funny, I've never been to this the town in Korea.
I've never been to the town where I don't even know.
If I didn't, I knew this town where my family
came from, which is it's down He's mister, by the way,

(01:27:19):
I love when I grow up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
I love. Wait.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Yeah, my family is from down South, which is more
close to there Miami literally literally yeah, the it's more humid,
it's former like fishing villages and stuff like that. That's
where they were from. I haven't been there. My brother,
a brother. He went down there, told me everything is okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
I was number one in in ok Now for seven years?

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
What they called me?

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Wait what number one?

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
I was?

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
I was what song? He's saying what song?

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
What? What? What? What?

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
From that until was it because of the military base
or was it the local population?

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
That's a great question, you know that.

Speaker 6 (01:28:05):
I mean, yeah, Okinawa, that's a big US military base.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
You know what, that's a great question.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
And you know what, people that's traveling outside of the
US that you still want.

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
To actually be a part of the US. All you
have to do is tap into the fucking military, which
is a big problem for over there. Locally, there's a
big issue. There's there's the issues there with the base
and things.

Speaker 6 (01:28:29):
Is a World War two thing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Yeah, they can't have recently. This is for a long time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
I don't think it's like they're trying they would like
the base to leave. The local population's issues. Get that
was with the soldiers we played.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
So we played down there. We played down there one time.
It's really funny to play down there because in Okinawa,
I don't remember the name of them, but but we
played near a base and the local Japanese population is
much shorter than the white Marines or whatever. They are
like soldiers there, and so the crowd looks like it

(01:29:07):
looks like this, like these are the short Japanese and
to be taller than regular We played that show and
it's like there's five Japanese people this tall, and there's
one white guy that's this tall, and it's just the
entire crowd. You got these white heads like sticking out
because that's that's who lives there. It's like all these
Japanese people who are shorter and then white people who

(01:29:29):
are taller. There's a funny show in Korea. Have you
have you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Have you guys had a chance to play, like yeah,
we just.

Speaker 7 (01:29:35):
We played Korea last October, right, that's part of our
launch hitting into many places and different continents around the world.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
And then we just played two nights in Tokyo.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
And you have been able to follow your roots and
like go to uh no, not too deeply.

Speaker 7 (01:29:54):
Most of my family moved to the States, so you
got no family with or nothing, just some distant relatives.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
He's American, dude, what do you what are you to
do right now? Listen? I went a cube, I followed
my roots it's hard for me to go to Africa.
I'm sorry too, Ferto Rican. We don't even know where
to go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
It's called.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:30:19):
It was funny when we were talking about about super Thug.

Speaker 5 (01:30:22):
Really, what was your what was your so? What was
your experience with Pharrell? How did that unfolded? I love
how you switched it on me. I respect you so much.
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
Because now that I've had so much historical moments in
my life, I could actually see one of the early ones,
and I could see how I saw it that day.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
Pharrell was destined to be who is going to be?

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Is going to be Chad? You going as well? But
when he gave me that CD and.

Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
He said, don't listen to this ship until you get
to Miami, and I did it, and I said they
can't hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
When I listened, I just knew.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
That life. I just knew it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:18):
I just heard it, and I wrote this ship immediately,
and I went right back to New York Right Track
Recording Studios, forty seventh Street. Believe Madison, I don't. I
don't know if it is. And I went and I
recorded that whole track straight but.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
You got it in Miami, right to beat.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:31:37):
Because the reason why I say is because I always
wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Get Miami is no no no, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
Sonically, when he came out with Super Thug, we hadn't
met yet.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
No, no, I did because I met you. I met
you was on the CNN run.

Speaker 5 (01:31:54):
But still when he came out with that record, the
bounce on it felt very Southern, very relatable, very like
that bounce like, it felt that bounce was there, and
I was like, oh, that's not coming out of New
York and and he was doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
Yeah, and now I live in the South, so you're one.
I have a funny. I have a weird I think
the first time I ever like so we we going
way back to like the first record. It was probably
before we ever got signed. We're probably just doing demos
at this point. My friend, do you remember buzz Tone Records? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:32:33):
So I had a friend who worked at buzz Tone
and he invited me to a couple.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Of sorry, you just got a shot.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
I got a shot. It's just like just because let's
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Bro, I'm in.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
To buzz town calling them people bro and dude. For
a whole week, we land and grow. I can't tell
if you're if you're from l A or if you're
just like a millennial. It's like Jen Alpha, I let
christ you gotta work for the roll and I'm like,

(01:33:04):
I'm like, I'm like, I've been white for a week.
I've been full flazed.

Speaker 5 (01:33:09):
White, full fledged all right, So okay, so I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
So we were we were not signed or whatever, just
like trying to get experiences and my friends said, come
to this video shoot just for fun. And I think
the first one I went to was a funk dubious
shoot do with was in the was the feature with? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
They had this random bab pop that wasn't on their
album though I think it was was it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
I was at the video.

Speaker 5 (01:33:41):
Shoot for Poppy Chulo, but that that record albums though,
I was like, is and Corrupt was so was one
of those season that time like coming out.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
So I did. I went to that. I was like, oh,
you know, Chris can I got it like any other Later,
I was like, any other video shoots coming up that
I could go to, and he said, yeah, he has
one for the Alcoholics coming up. I was a big
alcoholics fan, so he's like, you know, Lincoln Park had
kind of started happening, and so he's like, can you
get can we get? You got the dude from the

(01:34:10):
singer from this band called Deftones that we love Chino
was gonna be in it. We got you And he's like,
have you heard of this student named Pharrell? And I
was like, yeah, I think so. He was kind of
newer at the time, like I wasn't super familiar, and
so there it's a super weird track. I don't even
know if it's still like if you could put up
pull it up on YouTube or Spotify or whatever. But

(01:34:32):
on YouTube you'd see that the video had a cameo
by me. I think there was somebody else and Chino
from Deftones and Pharrell playing as the house band at
this like frat party that Jay Row and Tash are
like rapping at. It was the weirdest shit, Like even
this here here come out of my mouth, I'm like,
who fucking who put this together? Like if you did

(01:34:53):
this ten years later, it'd be like a very expensive video.
But at the time everyone was just kind of like
starting to like their careers were all started, except for
the Lecks, the legs were all already established. That's why
that was their song. You guys ever did anything with
the Alcoholics? No, No, I don't think i've even that day.

(01:35:14):
I didn't really meet. I think i'm that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
I think I talked to for Like, can I connect
y'all for future? I mean, because is on it right now?
He's killing it really. Yeah, they're coming out with the Doggs,
coming on a new album. Like I would love to
connect y'all. I love the alcoholic Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
You know what's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
I have so many notes, but I know you guys
got a flight. Look, I haven't thank you. I really
want to thank y'all because think about it, we're all one.
I love doing these type of these type of interviews.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
I love. I love, like, you know, connected with people
that don't know that we're connected. And I want to
thank you once again. Man gave them their flowers.

Speaker 5 (01:36:06):
Take these great pictures, right, and if you want to
take us some champagne whishes, I'll take some champagne.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Take some champagne. Sorry, singer Emily's birthday coming up tomorrow,
so we'll take some.

Speaker 5 (01:36:25):
I don't know if she'll drink it, but shout out
to shout out a little man, yes, yes, yes, please you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
Put it in your luggage. Luggage oh so out? Okay,
well Lincoln motherfucker park makes some everybody here has memory.
Thank you, fellow, Thank you so much, Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:36:50):
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