Episode 482 w/ Bryson Tiller

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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(00:34):
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's mill Tammy crazy boar drink Champs yep makes something.
Now when we talk about this person, we talk about
a person who makes hits, give out hits, fifteen million
sold in your face, and he don't even be liking

(01:10):
to be in front of the public. He don't even care.
He just makes hits for any reason. We are gonna
give him his flowers today. He deserves it, from being
in front of the camera to behind the camera to
he makes your your favorite artist a better artist because
he's been pinting this ship for allbody. And in case

(01:33):
you don't know what we're talking about. My mother, Oh
do you bring your mother? Listen, listen to my brother.
I want to get straight to the interview, because silu man,
I've been doing this, what.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Ten years, about about to be ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
So I first off, let me, let me let me
pick you up for being on time. I bet against you.
I bet that you would not be on time. So
that's what we do. We we based it on with
the artist uh order, Like we know if anybody order
hey and see, it's gonna be a different interview.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
We know patroll like certain things. But when you ordered
as the Spade, I was like, it's gonna be smooth,
that's one. But I said, he's going to show up late.
But but so I I I lost on the show
up lay and.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
We showed them and we showed up. We sucked up.
So we apologize.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
So like I said, I was trying to point. I
was trying to make I've been We've been doing this
almost ten years, right, and when I go through the
discovery of an artist. That's one of the thing, yo, bro,
you really are hate maker? Like is that something that
you you you you set out to be or that's

(02:48):
something that just comes naturally for you.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Uh. I definitely got to say I set out to
be in for show. You know. In the beginning, I
was like, I had this whole alias called pan Griffy. Yeah. Yeah,
you get as many hits as Bro. But somebody just
told me something about it hit today and I was like,
I was in the studio session. It was like, do
you know why they started calling it it hit? I

(03:11):
was like, dang, I never even thought about that. It
was something that you know, hits whoever's listening to it,
they was in the meeting or whatever, And I was like, Damn,
I guess that's really what it is with somebody, you
know what I mean, Like somebody just feels it like
it's them, you know, the resonates, you know, even if
the song never really charted, you know or whatever, it
doesn't matter. Like a bunch of people in my concert
singing it hit to me, you know absolutely.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
What's the song that you made for somebody else that
you regret.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
That I regret for somebody else? What do you mean
like you.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Would have wanted to keep it for you, You wanted
to keep it for yourself?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Oh, like something that I wrote? Yeah? Uh, I mean
I don't really got I don't got too many under
my goat. Okay, it gave to somebody else. Okay, because
for me is.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I don't know if you heard this record, but uh
uh you know Jacob give you heard that record that
that used to say that dude, and I gave that
ship away and I regret that.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
So you don't have one of those? Na Okay, okay,
So let's get to it. Louisville.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
How did how did how did because we're here we
see Rich hit there? How did how did? How did
that happen? How did that connection happen? I know Timberland,
So how did how did this happen?

Speaker 1 (04:23):
My guy King King, He's from Miami, Miami based. He
knew a couple of people that knew Rich and I
think they was they might have been playing some video
games or something. You know, they was connected, interconnected somehow.
And you know, Rich called Window my music and thought
I was super talented, and you know, I think I was.
I was working at UPS when I first met Rich,

(04:45):
when I first started talking to Rich, and you know,
I remember they told me they was going to New
York with Timbling to work on Magna Carter Holy Girl,
the album. You know, they invited me up to New York.
So I was like, oh, yeah, I want to go
to New York.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, so didn't tell you to quit your job or
some ship.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Like That's that was years later. Okay, yeah, yeah, you
just talked about about when I met Rich, you know
what I mean? But yeah, I met I met, I
flew up to New York. That was my first time
in New York. I was just so you met Rich first.
I met Rich and this producer that he was working
with and who was I think signed to Timblin after

(05:21):
this producer. So we went up there and uh yeah,
yeah he was in there. I wasn't evenly supposed to
be there here. You know, he said what up to
me a couple of times. I think, my boy Rich
Timberland probably don't even know this, but Rich like he
snuck a picture in me Timbo in the studio and
I was like, he said it to me. I was like, yo,
that's crazy, Like me and Timblin like that's a big
deal where you know. You know, I got back home

(05:43):
to Louisville and he wasn't even really at that time,
I didn't really have nothing to really show for us.
I didn't. I really shouldn't have been in the room,
you know, if I'm being honest. But anyways, I got
back to Louisville and I remember posting a picture that
the one that Rich sent me, and I was just like, yo, man,
I ain't saying that next year is my time. More
the year after that's my time. But I'm just saying
my time is coming. That was yeah, that was the caption,

(06:04):
and I remember everybody was hitting me up and then
once one person hit me up and was you know,
I mean I'm going off on the deep end. Yeah. Anyways,
one person hit me up and was just like, Yo,
you know, we gotta you know, we gotta. We got
a contract, we got an agreement, so you can just
you know, he thought I was signing to Tim with
something that wasn't even the case. I was just posting
a pick. So I was like, I was like, what

(06:24):
are you saying? Like he was like, I'm saying that,
like we got to figure something out. But he had
previously agreed to release me from this contract he was
talking about. But seeing that picture with change everything, he
knew something that's about to come, you know, come from that.
Even though he didn't believe in me. But at first,
like after that he said that, and I was pissed.
I was like, oh no, I said, you know what, Bro,
I said, I'll never make music ever again. I said,

(06:46):
I'm gonna just go work at ups and just keep
doing what I was doing the first You got it, bro,
I'm good, you know what I mean. You know, he
was trying to see if I was bluffing. I wasn't bluffing.
I was doing that for about two years, two three
years or something like that. After that, you know, I
hit rock bottom. I was like, I can't do this
no more. Man Like, I struggling, I ain't got no money,

(07:08):
caught up a couple of people asking asking for bread.
You know, Rich used to send me bread too, you know,
just stand on me out. But it was another guy,
that chem dude. I was telling you, you know, I
hit him up asking for some money, and he was like, bro,
you gotta you gotta get back in that studio, so
you know, you know, crying and ship and I was
just like, all right, you know, I'm gonna get back
to the studio. Literally. The first song that I made
was Stone so may you don't, yeah, don't. It was

(07:30):
the first song I made, uh, you know, and I
was sitting on there for a little bit fast forward,
had it on SoundCloud. Uh you know, a couple of
people was rocking with it. I was a little embarrassed
about it for some reason because I hadn't did music
for so long, and I fel like nobody was hit
me up but talking about it. So I deleted it,
and then somebody hit me up. I was like, yo,
you gotta put that. You gotta put that back up online.
So I was like, all right, bet, and I did,

(07:51):
and it sounds correct, sound sound, and it just started
growing like week by week. I remember at this time,
I think I got a different job at Papa John.
Papa John. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I was going back to my locker and I'm just
like up there, you know, somebody's playing with you. You know,
what's kept going on?

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Like thousands of ten doollars felt, yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
What's happening? Like this is real viral and yeah for
real and this is before yeah, all of that. So yeah,
at that point, then I got a call from Rich again.
You know, I ain't talking to Rich in a little
minute at this point, but I got a call from Rich.
He's like, yo, Timbo won't how at you? You know,
and this is the first time that I really seen
Timbo show any interest in my music at all, because

(08:28):
you had played records before, yeah, a long time ago,
you know, because I heard you said you thought he
didn't like it. Yeah, I would say he didn't. He
probably thought I was talented. But you know, if you
go back and listen to my ship from twenty eleven,
you can understand why Timbland was like maybe he wasn't
ready and I wasn't ready, you know what I mean.
I was, you know, development that makes perfect sense, you know.
So at this point I like changed, excuse me, I

(08:49):
changed my sound up and you know, I had something
to really grind for at that point, you know, I
had my daughter and everything was just different. I was like,
you know what, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be
too much of a sing singing, singing nas nigga, you
know what I'm saying, but just like kind of dumb
it down a little bit and mix it up with
a little bit of rap, you know what I'm saying.
You know. Anyways, got the call from Timbo and then
it was like, Yo, come to come to Miami. You know,

(09:11):
and that's that's when everything just went up.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
From ther Okay, so then when does Drake coming into
this this pitch?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I feel like every week something crazy what was happening.
So I can't really one hundred percent remember, but it
was definitely after the moment because like you know, you
heard that story was the clips, but it was definitely
after that. When I was back in Louisville now at
this point, jobless, trying to figure out what I was
going to.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Do next, said put your job. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he
never he never said that, right, yeah he did that.
Yeah I think you said that.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
He said. He never said. I think you said you
called Rick. It's all good. We loved him, love it
don't matter, None of that matters. It was yeah, exactly.
So I get back to louis woar, and I'm you know,
I'm stressed out, but the song is still climbing. People's
reaching out. And then it's crazy because I always had

(10:03):
these these wild ass manifestation dreams. And I was sleeping
at a friend's house on the couch because at this
point I moved out of my my girlfriend at the
Times house, and uh, you know, I'm still gonna sleeping
on this couch making music in the basement, trying to
like just keep my SoundCloud following fans happy. So I'm
just like update new ship and I think I just

(10:23):
put out a remix to a couple of OVERO because
a lot of people it was like, Yo, you need
to sign over yoh blah blah blah. They were saying
that one thought you was signed the over you was
before anything. So they was like, Yo, it sounded like
you should be a part of it, you know what
I mean. So I was like, dang, I mean I
really love and my everything that comes out of over YO.
So I was like, it makes sense. So one day
I just decided to remix uh some Ovio shit. I

(10:43):
think Macone was signed to O YO one time. Party
next Door was signed over or still signed over YO.
But I remixed their songs called Don't Worry Maley remix
and I posted it and went to sleep or whatever.
It was probably like a little bit later after this,
but I remember I had this crazy, vivid dream that
I was on UK campus. You know, Drake Fun with
UK basketball, So you know I'm on this campus and

(11:05):
then you know people they like, yo, bro, you know
Drake's coming in town. You know we're gonna play this.
We're gonna play you don't for him and I was like,
for real, it was like yeah. So then they in
the dream, they was like, I saw him in the huddle.
Drake was over in the huddle. They all had blue
jumpsuits on the ship and he was like and I
was like, damn. And then I remember waking up from
that dream, right, I swear to God, woke up from

(11:27):
that dream and literally I got checked my Twitter just
said Drake followed you on Twitter. And I was like,
I was like trying to dream, no, no, no, out
of the dreams, out of the dream, up out of
that dream. The very next morning, like and then woke
up and I saw that he followed me, and I said, yo, bro,

(11:47):
this is this is crazy. Like I didn't even want
to get into the whole fact that I just had
a dream. Like I was like, Yo, this is more
crazy than you think. He's like, yo, I've been working
with month. We don't months. And that just my mind
because it's like in my dream that he was literally
saying that he didn't he didn't okay. And I had
no idea that this was about the habit. It was
just some crazy manifestation ship. I don't know, it's like

(12:08):
God gave me a vision or something like. But yeah,
that was when.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
So isn't true that if had he answered to the text,
you might be on over your right to this day, like, yeah,
what did he leave you and read and read? Oh
you know, he's just busy, was just busy.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Just at this time, BR's really going crazy with all
the music. I'm sure he had everybody hit in his line.
But yeah, I think that was the only thing that
was keeping me from signing. Bro.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, let's we're ready for quick Thomas. Let's go, Let's
do it. Let's do it, Let's do it. You're ready
for this part?

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, okay, you got you gotta.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Feel your sense it.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, but some PARTA I love this ship.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
But by the way, they got the hockey. Okay, yeah,
I want to do quick Time line first or what? Okay, okay, okay. Well,
I've been trying to get you, to get you on
this show, to give you your flowers, to let you
know how much you mean to the industry. The industry
is a better place when you make it music, when

(13:13):
you were a part of it. So we wanted to
give you a flowers face to face.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Man the Man Snoop Dogg.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Said, it's better than a Grammy because it comes from its.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
People and we want to want.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
To give you flowers because bro, you really are something special.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
You really are. You know what I love about you?

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Like it's a rumor that you don't just go in
the studio with anybody like you have to actually feel
feel it. Don't never change.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
I like that. You know some people would come and
be like yo.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
You know he's like they will credit that as being
like hard to.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Work with or whatever, But I really don't understand why.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, no, I understand it because I'm an artist too,
you know what I'm saying. But if I love the
fact that money, I can tell money doesn't move you.
Has there ever been a time where it was it
was tempted like like and you want you did something
that that cost of money?

Speaker 1 (14:11):
You said, did something that costs money? No, no, be
costs of money and you regret it is like movie
nah mm hmm. Yeah. I can't think of what it
is exactly those moments, but I've definitely had those moments.
But when it comes to the to the music and whatnot,
Like you know, people especially early on stroing all types

(14:32):
of crazy numbers that me to do to do certain songs,
and I'd be like, you know, I just really want to.
I was just nervous a lot of times, right, you know,
that was the big, the big thing. But the main
reason why I don't really like being in the studio
with people was like, you know, just PTSD and trauma,
you know, from when I was younger. I'm being honest
with you. What if I give you an example. I'm

(14:53):
sixteen years old or seventeen, my bad recording songs, and
I used to have this one guy, I'm not gonna
say his name, but he used to record me all
the time, and uh, you know, he wouldcord me an
fl studio and yeah, I was just I would cut
school to go to the studio, go to his crib.
He was living in Louis and uh yeah, he would
play play the beat and he would record me because
I didn't know how to do it. And then you know,

(15:15):
he would be trolling me sometimes, like playing gunshots and
while I'm.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Recording whatever et and I feel like I'd be like, bro,
I'm trying to make it.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Bro, like you just stopped, bro, And he would be laughing.
He was like, you know, its just trolling me and ship.
At that point, I was just like, you know what, like,
can you teach me to record myself? Taught me how
to record myself, and at that point, I was just like,
I'm just cut out the middle man. I'm gonna just
do it myself. And I've been recording myself ever since.
So look at the correct you make the beats.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
I don't make the beat. You don't make the beats, okay,
but you engineered yourself. Yeah, holy Molyuakami DJ College jumped
over somewhere to get your vocals.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
That's that's what they say. What is this story? I
don't know it was. They say he was jumped over
the fence, but I don't think he jumped over the fence.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
But I know.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
He would do anything. But you know, we got it done.
You know the story was. You know, I remember I
told him when they played me the song for wild thoughts,
that's kind for us. Wild thoughts came.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
You didn't get to hear the Rianna versionuntil it actually
came out dropped right then you had the party you got.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
The Party next Door version. But not only that, but
the song was in the lower octave and I recorded it.
I had already did my part, you know what I'm saying,
and he had hit me. I knew that she was
going to record it in the higher octave, and I
mentioned that to him, but he's like, no, we just
need it done. We needed all right. I got it done,
and you know, I didn't know how he was going
to figure because I know they couldn't just pitch my
vocals up. So he came knocking on the day on

(16:50):
a horrible day I was having, like they threw a
surprise party for an album that I wasn't happy about
show up. My lambow broke down that day, like it
was just a bad day overall, and I was like, yo,
I need it tonight album release day. I was like,
I can't do it tonight, you know what I mean.

(17:11):
And I think everybody wasn't answering to answering the phone,
and that's what happened. So we got to do you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I think you said I think arrest somewhere that you
said to college.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Uh, like I'm going through something. He was like, put
it in music. Yeah, yeah, that was The media took
that one and that thing with that one. But now
what happened that was early on. If I mean, you
can go back and listen to it, it was, what the
fuck is that? The song with me a future on
Major key album? You know what I mean, you go
listen to it. What the fuck I'm saying. I'm just talking.

(17:41):
I literally did that, and it's like I ain't trying
to listen to that ship. I was just super depressed,
you know what I mean. That didn't even what I
want to make music about. You know, but like at
that time, I was really going through all that ship
that I was talking about on the song, and I
was stressed the funk out because I was like, I
didn't get here to be beefing with niggas in the
music industry. You know, this person saying I owe him this,
or this person that literally I ain't spoke to in

(18:02):
four years, you know what I mean talking about like yo,
you oh, you know what I'm saying. It's just like
it was stressful for me to deal with. I had
people leaving death threats and on my car. My daughter
was in there sleeping while I'm somewhere else. Had to
fly back home figuring shit out. CPS called my crib
coming asking my daughter inappropriate questions, like all types of
shit that was making me like really be like, damn

(18:25):
fuck the music is you know what I'm saying? Like
I don't want to be a part of this shit
at all, Like is this what like my success is
making people? Do you know what I'm saying? And I
remember that was a point where I once my daughter
was born, I kind of like I stopped talking to everybody.
Like it wasn't because I knew I was gonna be
famous someday or whatever. I just was like, let me
see who really fuck with me for real? So like

(18:46):
I stopped fucking people, started focusing on my job at ups,
getting other jobs, and you know, there was only a
couple of people that was reaching out to me rich
you know, my Boye Swan you know obviously close family
members and whatnot, and other than that, you know, nobody
else was reaching out to me. So excuse me. Whenever
the song took off, don't and then whenever I started

(19:06):
having some success and all these people showing me love,
Timblin Drake, whoever, all these people start knocking at the door,
like yo, you switched up. It's just like, damn I
switched up. That's crazy. That was while I blew my
mind so like at that point, and then they really
they really was like, nah, we gotta we gotta do
something about this this guy, you know what I mean,

(19:27):
this dude who like switched up on us. So they
just start pulling every trick out the you know what
I mean. I'm just like add it up. I'm like,
can I just make music to be happy about it?
But like the industry was just beat me up man
for a long time, you know, and I just I
wasn't funk with it. So that was the whole reason
why I was like, he was like put it in music,
you know. I was like, put it into music, But like,

(19:48):
don't nobody wanted that? But were you were you musically
trained in anyway? No, No, not at all. I'm really
just a studio geek at the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Like because hearing you talk about the doctors and all that, Yeah, yeah,
I'm sure most of the.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
People even were I don't know, just go ahead and
sing that or I know a little a couple of things,
you know, not for real, I'll just be in a
studio like fucking with shit, and I like, I mean
it's still a lot that I don't know, but like
you know.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
You know, it was something I'll relate to you very much.
It's how tough you are on yourself. Watch your second
album like I you did. I'm gonna lie me hearing
you talk about your second album, I'd be like, damn,
I thought I was bad on myself. I actually had
a line Melvin Flint dropped my whole colossal stop. I

(20:36):
can't believe I'm fucked up and made a half assed album.
My excuse is my pops just died and I ain't
want to make music. My pops just died. I hated
my second album, and I listened to the critics. I
listened to the haters, and you're probably the only other
artists in the world that I know that related to that.

(20:57):
I was sitting there watching all your interviews and I
was like, holy, somebody is just as hard on theyself.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
But but have you outgrown that or I want to
say that there's like a bit of a common misconception
because every time I see these clips, I always see
some of my bands coming to my defense, like I
just want him to know how good blah blah blah
appreciate it, but I'm just like, yo, it's not about that.
But the common misconception is this, like a lot of
people think that I became depressed after my second album.

(21:25):
It was after the first one that everybody tells me
now it's such a classic, and it was like this,
that and the third. It was after that win that
where I was like where I was fucked up, you
know what I'm saying. Trap Soul came out, and it's
just because, like I said, like the fame all that,
it was all new to me. So it's like when
it came out and I started seeing all these critics
going crazy on Trap. So that's when it made me

(21:46):
have imposter syndrome. And I was like, I don't know
what I'm doing, you know what I'm saying. I was like,
I thought that I did something. It wasn't until about
two years at two three years after that where people
was really like, yo, this is this is a dope album.
You know what I'm saying. Guess what. I had a label,
I had another tour, a tour, a tour agreement that
I had to fulfill. I had to drop another album

(22:07):
and because had imposter syndrome. You know what, bro? Yeah, exactly,
so it was like I didn't get time if I
you know, we talked about the money thing. You know,
that's it, right, Okay, that's the money that I shouldn't
have took at that moment because it's like the.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Same exact thing with me. I'm sorry because I relate
to it so much. Was they had gave me so
much money, and how I'm gonna tell them not to
go to the studio, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Like I spent the money and I was definitely using it.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
So I was like I had to go to the
studid but it wasn't time for me, you know what
I'm saying. So if you could do anything to redo
the process of making that album, what would you do different?

Speaker 1 (22:47):
I wouldn't have made it. I would have waited a while,
but I wouldn't have made it. But also I was
gonna say that I would have worked with writers because
that was the era when everybody was like Jake with
the platinum with no features, so everybody was so stuck
on it, and then they was like he went platting
with no features again, and I was just like, damn,
like I gotta go platinum with no because you know,
my first ship platinum with no features. I was like,

(23:08):
all right, I guess I'm gonna go platinum with no
features again. You do that twice? Did I do it twice?

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, you know what's going on out here? Years later,
but it happened though, you know. But anyways, I think
I was so hung up on that and like I said,
imposter syndrome. So like a big part of me was like, man,
you know, if I could go back in time, really
what I would have did, I wouldn't have I wouldn't
have made an album. I would have waited to see
what the fun was gonna happen with my first album.
But I didn't have the luxury of doing that because

(23:37):
you know, money running dry and something like, damn, you
know what am I gonna you know what I'm gonna do?
So you had your kid too, right, my kid? And
you know at that point there was a lot of pressure.
I was just like, I can't go back to ups.
I can't go back to Papa John's right, you know,
I gotta do something. And that number was nice, so
I was like, I'm gonna take it, you know, I
had to, and yeah, just put me. It really put

(24:00):
me behind and you know, after and then that shit
came out because, like I said, I went in my
mind and then the critics went in and that just
really sent me to yep.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
But like following you, listening to you, I can tell
that you let.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
The critics get to you. Yeah, get to you. I
did too.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I did too, Like so I'm the same human being,
like like, I know what's crazy. My first album, I
got four and a half mics in the source right,
which is a big deal. Which was a big deal,
so I was supposed to celebrate that. But my second
album got three mics, and I celebrated the failure of
the three mics more than I celebrated the success. And

(24:41):
I let the people get to me. But for years
later it was it.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Was people, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I would see them in the airport and they'd be like.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Why the funk would you just this album?

Speaker 2 (24:50):
The album changed my life, and I had to sit
back and I had to say, you know what, this
ship wasn't about me. So that's why I asked you,
did you go back to me visit that and say, like,
you know, you know you you answer the question man,
when you said, yeah, I can't even listen to it.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
You know the fans that you want me to do
a couple on tours. So it's like there some of
them I cans like, like the more the more popular ones,
but a lot of them, I'm just like, it's the
same ship with the cald song. Like when I hear
the Calis song, I hear I heard my second out,
you know what I mean. I'm just like, this is
not where I need to be. He was like, put
it into the music. That was literally what I did.

(25:28):
I was like, I don't even know what to make
music about. And I was like, fuck it, i'ma just
I guess put it in the music and talk about
ship that I'm going through. And it's crazy because, like
you know, I remember one time I had another one
of those manifestation dreams and I was in Australia and
my manager at the time was like, yo, you know,
actually I skipped apart. I had a dream I'm sleeping

(25:49):
in the in the in the bed whatever. And my
dream I was in my hood, my old hood in Louisville,
and they was a jet just flew down in the
middle of the hood and jay Z and Beyonce got
off of it, and jay Z was like, were having
some dreams. He was like, Yo, what you doing here?

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
I was just like I don't know, and then like
I don't know what happened, but I ended up waking up. Right.
My manager calls me, was like, Yo, you know how
you say you've been looking for a mentor right, And
I was like yeah, he said, Yo, jay Z won't
talk to you. I was like huh and he was
like yeah. I was like, okay, cool. So you know,
I think Lenny s put us on the group text
or whatnot. And then you know, jay Z was talking
to me about my second album. He was like, yo, man,

(26:29):
I just want to say, you know, I appreciate you know, Yo,
I heard when you talked about this and him just
breaking down ship, and I was saying, really meant a
lot to me, Like damn, that's crazy, Like you know,
even though I had, you know, the second album didn't
perform or whatnot, like I had, you know, jay Z
pick me up on that ship to me personally, and
that just made me be like you know what, fuck it,
Like I just got to keep pushing forward, you know

(26:50):
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Fucking awesome, bro Thomas dream all right, so this is
our drinking game We're going to give you two choices.
If you pick one of the choices, we don't drink.
But if you say both or neither, like we didn't
want to pick anybody or whatever, then we drink.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
And everybody drink.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I got a feeling he's gonna be want to be
politically correct, and.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
They say, really did this anybody? We just want to
bring up stories.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, anything big a story, buddy, bring it up.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
And and really the choice is really depending on whatever
for you. It's your criteria. It's it's it's not who's
better at anything specifica And then I gotta drink these
right here, right, Yeah, that's that's hockey. Yeah, okay, okay,
if you want, okay, you can sip to By the way,
we don't make up these questions. It's the cocaine section
over there. Colombian and the Dominican right there. They make
up these questions.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
So if you get mad at anybody, let's just look
over there. Rich knows them both. He'll he'll send it up.
This is this is this is one I enjoy saying
m J or Prince.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
MJ. MJ. Yeah, yeah, I mean because I play video
games and like I grew up with m J. You
know Michael Jackson Moonwalker.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
So you know you got your own video game? Drop
it dropped the radio.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
No, no, no, no, Okay, I'm working on them. Okay, okay,
jodas He or one twelve. I'm gonna go one twelve.
I love Joashy, but I'm gonna go one twelve though
they got like different type of sauce. Chris Brown or Usher.
I love Usher, but I'm gonna go see Breezing. Yeah,

(28:29):
just got talk with him too. Yeah, like we're yeah
Jack Carlo or boss Man Dilo. I gotta go with
the home with the home team. You know what I'm saying.
I love boss Man. I gotta go with the home team. Timberlin,
Ard Pharrell.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I'm gonna take a shot for you.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
This one's challenging because it's like him when uh.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
So, I just about one in the next one, Okay, Okay,
well I like all three. The next one, okay, yeah,
you go to the next you take the next one, boy,
wondered Charlie.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Heat Ah, that's a crazy question, man, Charlie.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Okay, okay, Charlie, Yo, hud away, Way, I didn't pick yet, don'tkay.
I'm just talking to my brother directly so hard because
like Charlie, my favorite Charlie, my favorite producer ever, you
know what I mean, because he just you know, he's
my favorite producer I've ever worked because he'd just be grinding.
He's always always ready to work on some new ship.
You know, we try everything. You know, we didn't need
a Paw Patrol song to Michael Jackson that song or

(29:51):
a rap song like just everything Patrol. So yeah we did. Yeah, yeah,
it's gonna be more hyper. Yeah, tell him like that.
That's me here, he'll know it. But anyways, but boy,
one day, he's just somebody that's just been you know,
me and him. We probably only got like two records
together or some three, I don't know, but like he

(30:12):
just super down the earth guy and probably one of
my best friends in the music industry for show because
he's always kept it solid. So I gotta take a shot.
I'm taking a shot with you, man. Follow cheers, just.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Stevie Wonder And by the way, Stevie, Steve, did you
see the new story that we just put out about
Stevie again?

Speaker 1 (30:35):
We need Stevie on drinks already. Man.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I think if I see Stevie, he sees me, he's
gonna stop me. He's gonna stop.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
So we just.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Deon Cole on here, and Deon Cole said that Stevie
want to back this.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Girl, damn, and then up the slop back like a bitch.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Ste Well, I don't think Stevie gets on jokes anymore.
I think Stevee's mad at us bro. I think I
think I'm not sure. I'm not too many stories, man,
so too many stories people.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Have come on here.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
So the Eisley Brothers came on here said they seen
Stevie j Stevie on crossing the Highway.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
A business street, not the Highway Man street.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
So I don't think he's trying on jokes for money anymore. Ahead,
next one's big Stevie wonder stee.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Okay, okay, okay, I want to I want to ask
this one Drake or Tory lanez Rake. Okay, you got
records for both? He said, I got you.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Got records for both. It ain't about that, you know.
I love Toy. Toy is super dope artist. I think
he's just amazing, you know. But I grew up with Drake.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, so now let me ask the more controversy question
Drake Kendrick.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
That's easy. I mean, I love Kendrick Labar, but it's
straight because of your relationship. Relationship. But it's like, I
just that's the music that I've studied, Like got it,
you know, like, yeah, makes sense? Cool?

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Al Green and Marvin Gaye Marvin gay Okay, Whitney Houston
did you all put three in this one?

Speaker 1 (32:24):
They went crazy?

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey. Okay, it's the cocaine section.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
You're gonna get roped up one of these days. I
just gonna not grab people.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I'm gonna go with Mariah Carey. Okay, I'm not answering
this one. You asked that one.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Uh Beyonce, Arihanna.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Mm hm.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Hm hmm, Kanye or Swiss Beats Dama, Uh let me go, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Okay to speak total or s w B that's w okay.
Curtis Mayfield or slod Stone.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I don't know slod Stone, but I do know of
Curtis Mayfield. So you're going d J Collin or DJ Drama.
I love you Drama, but I gotta go with my
brother Calin. So right, he climbing over the walls and gates.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
You should like that you gotta go with them mark
uh fat Joe or Rick Ross.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
I gotta say fat Joe just because, like you know,
I got you know, richest, one of the richest best friends.
So he's just like one of the first famous people
I've been around, you know what I mean? That like
treating me, you know, like a human. So that's why
I gotta make no noise. But we got one more. Well,
they were going to send a couple more.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Okay, but that's a question. Did you ever have a
chance to be on a terror squad?

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Uh m? Was that something? Is that a quiz if
you don't thinks? So? I don't think. So I mean
that Joe to me don't seem like type of guys
is ready to snatch up artists, like you know, even
lost money. She was saying, like rich, Like you know,
rich could have made money off me plenty of times
and just never wanted to. Like was like, yo, I

(34:36):
want you to be in the best possible I don't
want to. I don't you know what I mean. I
don't want to just be a manager or sign you
to my homie just because like I could get paid
off of it. He wanted me to be in the
best situation, and I have you and Joe ever worked together? Yeah,
I did a song. I did a song for my
long time ago oh wait, and then I did another

(34:58):
song with him and uh when he did the album
with with Dre Cool with Drake, okay, work, Okay, So
I'm gonna take a shot for that.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
But the last one, there's a couple of more, couple
more okay, dollar sign.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
T Paint, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Teddy Teddy
Pendergrast with T Pain and applies. What you gotta join
with T Paint applies? Uh yeah, I do, actually, but
you know what, I just got caught up on the
fact I was like Teddy Pain to say Teddy peng
but I remember I heard him say that on this

(35:33):
album was Teddy Paint. But anyways, T Paint is somebody
like my uncle gave me a CD. It was an
epiphany album and I was just like, love, that's my
favorite T Paint album ever, even though he had so
many other hits and ship. Yeah, I really studied that
album a lot. T Paint like the okay Barman Hill
or uh well Laurence Hill, Little Baby or the Baby.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
Ye damn uh do the baby baby, Hey, old babies.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
We can say both neither or I can say both. Yea, Yeah,
I don't know, but I thought I had to take
you both. Got to take a shot. I mean, I
say both. Outcast a U g K outcasts. Shout out
to bun Beato, the great guy. He's always treated me respect.

(36:40):
Another one of those people that's like down the earth.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
We're doing competing this, this number, this next one a lot.
I think Niles doesn't care. But I think Jada Kiss.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Is going to say, that's a long time ago asking
me to take this out. He's retiring. Well, you know,
the wrong person asks just because like I studied mostly
be growing up. I didn't start studying rap until I
was like, I don't know, nineteen years old or something
like that. I don't know, I don't know. I mean

(37:12):
either casual hip hop listener. I mean I listened to
more of it now, but I would say, no.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
No, all right, cool, the bars are earth winning fire,
Earth winning fire, Okay, all right, now this is last one.
We go go back to the interview. Yeah, loyalty or respect.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Mm hmm, I got I'm gonna go with respect. That's
a crazy question. I like that I'm gonna go respect.
I mean, but don't they ain't they kind of hand
in hand. That's why I figure, I think, yeah, that's
why I want both. I want to because if you
if you're not lawyer, how could you respect me? Like

(37:53):
that's what I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
So I'm yes, this is something I want to ask
you personally.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Do you enjoy being a part of the industry. Do
I enjoy being part of the music industry? Yeah, yeah, no,
you don't. No, I believe you right, like nothing about it.
I'm making this game brough industry, you know, Like you know,
as soon as you mentioned respect, it just got me thinking, like,
you know, I might get a lot of respect from

(38:27):
like fans and you know, the consumers and whatnot out there,
and then sometimes maybe not. But you know a lot
of times I always really wanted to respect my peers
and the ones that are like in it, like really
in it, and like are still out here competing to
be number one or whatever, Like I don't really ever
get the respect from them. And I'm a type of

(38:48):
person like I feel like when I came into the
industry and probably still know, there's a lot of people
that treat me like I'm a threat or something threat threat, yeah,
and I don't want to think that, but like the
way they treat me day to day. You know, I've
been in shit ten years. There's so many people that
I can name that like I've been so we celebrating
ten years to try sold. Yeah, but there's so many

(39:12):
people that I feel like I've reached out to or
try to talk to or try to get a meeting
with for five minutes and they just be blowing me
off or treat me like I'm just like some funky
ass a nigga that's trying to be around.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Say that, and I could believe, Like when when I
forget what interview this was, I'm for searching you and
then they said the tea paining features and it was
like they were saying that how they they love that
you went and got teap pain implies. And then they
mentioned some other artists that I'm not going to name,
and then you said, well, I can't even get them

(39:44):
on the phone, And I was just like, is that
you or is that them?

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Right? It's still because it's like I reach out, like
I like I'm a man man, and I like I
like conversation. We got a problem. We gotta fight, you
know what I'm saying. We got to go back and forth,
like we could just as men sit down and talk
about it and nobody ever got to know about it.
Like I don't know what the problem be. Like a
lot of people will be saying it's like, oh, I'm
just busy. They always put it on that. But you know,

(40:10):
even jay Z hit me back every time I send
him a message, and you know, I imagine he's one
of the busy busiest I'm saying, so to see people
that ain't nowhere even near that, you know, I get it.
We all kings, we all got our own kingdoms, and
we got people that's trying to get the Lite promise.
You know, I'm sure you got twenty people trying to
get with you right now, so you know what I mean,
And like I respect that, but like also I feel like,

(40:32):
you know, if somebody was calling me saying, or are
trying to get in touch with you, you know, he really
want to talk to you. I'm gonna we're going to
have a conversation. You know, we don't have a conversation
or something. But like so I always felt like if
I did the same thing, maybe people will give me
that same respect, Like y'all, I'm trying to get into
contact so we can like either talk about a record
or let me show you something I'm working on, and

(40:53):
it would just be crickets.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Not even listen you, I swear to I can't imagine
that ship, bro, Like, don't be a lot of I
don't see artists right now not picking up into.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
The sword of God, like I swear it's because they're busy.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Listen, I've studied you enough to know that if I
bring up an artist name, you're gonna say you know nothing.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
So I know that. But because I care about them,
you know what I mean, I don't want to put
them out because I know what the media is gonna do.
They gonna take those in your alcohol. They're gonna a
little you know what I'm saying, Like they got of context. Yeah,
it's like shave room. They're gonna post some ship the
next thing. You know, all the people are gonna be saying,
and I just I don't want to do them like that.
You're gonna bring that on them because I care? Yeah,

(41:38):
and you sure.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Now this is me asking as a person because I
know the industry and a lot of the times artists
will sit right in the position that you're at and
they'll say, you know how it is, right, and yeah,
I do, I know how it is. But we're not
speaking to me. We're speaking to this whole audience. Is
it you reaching out? Is it management? Because I can't

(41:59):
see like I'll just throw out a random name, right,
I'm not gonna it's not gonna be a real person.
But can reaches out rights Until the reaches out the
can can, it's higher, it's hollering back. I can't see that.
So you do, like, especially fifteen millions so or the
success that you have, I don't see nobody not picking
up your phone call.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (42:20):
I thought that same I swear to god I saw
I thought that same thing. As soon as they told me,
I called like ten people to verify that that was
even real. I was like, Yo, is this real? Is
this true? Because if it is, I'm about to reach
out to a couple of people. You know what I
mean that you know that I want to talk to
about my game and whatnot, reach out to them. And
you know, I said them the thing that they saw

(42:40):
me like, yo, you know, thinking like maybe that's what
maybe that's what they respect, you know what I mean.
I was like, Okay, they don't. They might, they might
not respect me, but maybe they just respect winners. So
I was like, I'm winning, you know this, Maybe they're intimidated.
It's sound like a win to me. Possibly. I was like,
that's sounded like a win to me. So I was like,
reach out to a couple of people. Still to this day,
I'm going to show you no response. I was like, yo, man,

(43:00):
just I don't know, Man, yeah, I do be reaching
out to him person. It's not managements to me, and
you know who knows. I just feel like, if you
got a problem, just hit my phone. You know what
I'm saying. It's whatever, it is, like, it don't matter.
Like I feel like people in the industry, it's be
so many beefs between artists and I just I'm for

(43:21):
the people, you know what I mean, And I feel
like the people need music and the fact that we
can't collaborate, like fucking we didn't even got to collaborate
on music, Like I don't even funk about that. But like,
you know what I mean, some people look at it like, oh,
maybe he just want the clout, you know what. I mean,
what does it do for me to do a feature
with you? Like it's doing more for you than it
is for me. Some people look at it like that
and they're like, I'm not working him, you know what

(43:42):
I'm saying, Like that's what happens to me all the time. Like,
so I just don't don't. That's why I don't bother
collaborating with people, because like, what's the point, man? People
think it's me they say, Oh, I'm like, I'm here,
like at the same place.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
You know what's crazy? And I don't want to say, well,
i've seen you that seems you were cool and shit
and I'm sitting back and I'm like, wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
These people think that, like you're a dick. They might
think you're a dick, right because you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
But I've seen you cool, calm, collective, and I'm like,
holy shit, do you think that's that's a room about
you that you don't want to collab with people you
don't want to.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Be But here's the thing, Like that was when I
first came into the industry, a lot of people was
ringing my manager phone at the time, Yo, we want
to get toll on the song and that was just
like it was overwhelming because like at that time, like
I didn't even have time, Like will people be like, yo,
you got any think she was working on when he
was working on traps. So I'm like nah, because like
I had to go on tour right after that shit,

(44:44):
and I was so fucked up about the idea that
I had to be on stage in front of people
for the first time that I was like, I ain't
had no time to make music, you know what I'm saying.
So that was all I was thinking about, and and
people was reaching out like yo, we need you on
the song, and I was just like, I just can't
do features right now now, like because I don't funk
with these artists, but just because like I literally don't
even have time to make music for myself, you know

(45:05):
what I'm saying. So that was the main reason. So
maybe that you know, I ran into one of them artists.
Actually I ain't gonna say his name, but uh like gonna
say his name, but I ran into him at the
Hit Factory and he was like, yeah, man, your manager
told me you ain't trying to speak with people, man
laying man about you. I said, I'm here right now
and something. Yeah, I think I played him some ship

(45:27):
and he was like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna
like he put a verse on that bitch and it
came out like a week or two later.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
But let me, let me, let me, let me give
you a problem. Let me just let you know. I've
been in this music business after Trap Soul. You changed
the whole game. I don't tell you, okay, said.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
You changed the whole game? Is no, no, no, I.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Figure out because I know I can feel that your humbleness.
But like the way music is made now has changed
since Trap so and it's celebrating ten years. Correct, Yeah
you're going to take a shot for that. Yeah yeah,
hell yeah, come on.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
I got do you do you realize what Trap Soul
did to the people. Always let it to me, and
I don't never hear it or see it. To be
honest with you, You're just too humble, man, I just
don't see it. Like I'm just being honest, Like I hear,
like I don't hear what they hear. Maybe they hear it,
but like for me, I just hear people making music.

(46:23):
You know what I'm saying. That's all right?

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Well, well well and I've seen an interview where they
asked you about this and they say that you actually
have babies out there. People follow exactly Trap Soul and
I know you don't want to claim it.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah. I was talking to some of my homies at
OVO at this party one time and prayings.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
People.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yeah, they was.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
They was pissed at me because I was like, the
say yo, such and such as a song of the.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Story they said at the club, at the club and
come on at the club.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I was like, bron, I was like, nah, they're not
my son, but you didn't like the fact that they
was calling the son. Yeah, I don't like that. I
don't like because anytime I heard sons and him, it's bad.
It's like, you know what I mean, the way rappers,
you's like, Yo, this so and so is my son,
and it's always some ship that's putting them down in
the wraps New York. Not always.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
You got to you gotta tell me the time, just
say like I'm the O G and they coming up
behind me.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
That's really I guess I get it. When he explained
it to the collect Okay, I get it, you know
what I mean, But I you know, I just don't
ever want an artist to feel like I'm they daddy.
You know what I'm saying. I get that. I'm just
saying like I never want that. Like you just inspired
by me, you know what I'm saying. You took you know,
a page out of my book, study my you know
you're gonna make it your own. You know, they say

(47:48):
a thief stials with a genius borrows, and you know
for the artists that do that, you know, but yeah,
it's cool. I get the whole You got some babies
out there, I get it. No, it's the truth. It's
the truth.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Like you know what I mean, uh me personally, you know,
Sorry to keep twisting it to me, but there was
a whole genre after I worked with Pharrell, Like people
didn't want to work with Pharrell, and then people just
follow that that thing. And that's why it reminds me
of trap soul with you is because after that people

(48:24):
followed you and they mimicked and they made music exactly
sounding like you. And I know you humble enough not
to be like fuck them, Oh that's my son. You
ain't claiming that shit at all, but but you do
recognize people are following you.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
I don't recognize that. Nah. I mean I've seen people
come out with albums called trap soul and like you
know what I mean, or went out or they'll tell
me that they like I'm their favorite artist and they'll
make music. I have just seen that.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
But like you know, you can say it differently. You
inspired a movement is probably a better yeah way to
say it.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah yeah, but like noah, I don't really I don't
really see it.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
So if if let me let me so, let me
ask you a question, God comes down to Earth, h price,
You're gonna make one record to save humanity, get one
feature and one producer.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Who you calling dahm. One feature and if you want
to make it easier for you that a uh, okay
do I get to do? I get as many chances
with that. Let's say this feature does a hundred can
they do a hundred verses until I get it right?

Speaker 4 (49:46):
But the producer might not get it right. I might
not get it right, like I just want to try.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
I'm probably I'm gonna go with my boy Charlie Heat
for sure, so just because I believe in them so much.
And then as the feature, uh, and I get to
like vocal produce everything, Like I get to really craft

(50:14):
this ship together. Save a minute. I'm going with Drake. Yeah,
I can see it what you said. You you've vocal
produced him. No, not ever vo Okay, but like if
I could like be like yo, now we gotta do
it like this and you know what I'm saying and

(50:35):
really be a part of our our go with bro.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Is there anybody like you know, we got these collab albums.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
That's like being popular.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Now, what is there anybody you will do a collab
album with a Yeah, there was a bunch of people.
I'll do one with Future for sure. I really love Future,
like pick up the Future. I just seen him another day.
We squashed it. We had a little first and we
squashed it and I told him I'm sorry for my bad.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Part's not even doing.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Talk about the good part, and thank you Future because
he was actually right and you know what I mean,
thick him up. But that's what you in Future.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Yeah, I would love to do some Future just because,
like you know, Future, you got the melodies for show.
You definitely got through caduses and like you know, I
understand like rap music. I study his catalog for a
long time. You know, if it's for him. I wouldn't
There's so much shit that I just would have never made,
you know what I mean? But I feel like we
would make some some real dope ship, not just for
the ladies, but just for the fellas who love ladies.

(51:38):
So what do you love more? Rapping? Or I mean,
R and B is my first love. But I always
say we're rapping. I can I can say more, you know, singing.
It's like it's it's a lot more slow, slow paced,
and uh yeah, we're rapping. I don't know, it's just
like a million words that I could say in sixteen
bars versus was the moment you decided I want to

(52:01):
start with? I started rapping because of who gotta started
rapping because I got a credit c B as a
person that made me want to start rapping. But also
there another CB.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
You know, we don't know, we don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Anyways, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's the person that made me want.
You can relate to him because he was a singer
like for me, like I was like, yeah, I really
want to really really really rap. And I feel like
even y'all, I ain't never heard me really really rap,
and I could play out you got a double album.
The double album, I was like, he could you can

(52:50):
listen to Minny Kelly, you know on vices you know
what I mean, and hear me spit and whatnot, But
I got some other songs and whatnot where it's like,
I think that's the hardest part about being me, like
because it's like, you know, I really don't feel like
there's as it's like a catch twenty two almost because
it's not a It's not a singer out there that
can rap better than me, and there's not a rapper

(53:10):
that could sing better than me. So it's like, I'm like,
but where do I fit in in this industry? But
to answer your question, I probably yeah, I mean singamore
and who made me want to rap? Or when did
I start taking rap? Seriously, there was a reverse that
Jay V did on a song called Click and I
remember you know for a long time, Wayne was my

(53:32):
favorite rapper for a long time. Way I got to say,
I can't believe I forgot bro He the main person
that made me want to rapt. Way yeah, A little wait,
but then Broa when I think when you stuff, when
I seen be doing it, I was like, oh yeah,
maybe I should try to fuck it, you know what
I mean. I start trying and and but you know,
I was never really that good at it, Like you

(53:52):
go back to my twenty eleven twenty ten shit, I
wasn't that good at it. And then I heard people
used to always say jay Z was the best for
best rapper to ever do it, and for me, I
never really understood it because and then I heard him
say someone times like yo, people just ain't listening so
they can't catch up to what I'm saying, something like that.
And then one day, you know, I just heard, like

(54:13):
you know, it was just like mumbo jumbo. You know,
for me as a person who didn't really listen to
rap music, but Wayne somehow connected to me. But one
day on the way to work ups this click versus playing,
and then he said everything he said on that verse,
and I said, yo, I just get it.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
It was like an awakening. I was like, yo, I
fucking get it. Jay Z is the best. I was like, yo,
hold up. I was like, let me go back, let
me listen to all this man ship. Then I started listening.
I started understanding. I don't know if I got smarter
or what.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I got smarter than I finally started understanding what bro
was saying. But like I started because I really appreciate words,
you know what I'm saying. So he really is a
worsmith for real. So like I started listening to everything
he was saying. I was like, yeah, I gotta get
better at rapping for sure, you know what I mean.
And then shit, that's kind of.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Jay Z's first album. I didn't I didn't even get it.
I wasn't getting money at the time. Then I started
getting money.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I was like, you couldn't relate.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
You couldn't relate to that some money.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
I'm sorry, all right, I've been looking at your wrists
this whole time. I'm a watch cornoisur holds of VVS diamonds.
That is a very beautiful watch. What is that?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Uh? This is a rich Can you help me out here?
It's just ibby right coat? Can you show it to
the camera?

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Plan holy ship, it's it's blinding people, it's lying.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I ain't gonna I stick out some braze bowl dust
on it. I ain't clean this one. It looks it
looks band appreciate it. I only got it because, I
mean because of the tour and ship. I was like,
you know what, I ain't got no background dancers, none
of that. So I was like, I need sometime some dancing.

Speaker 7 (55:58):
You know, I've never heard of that.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
That no bad his his risk is his background. Dann
sas motherfucker believe that. Holy moly moly, your dad is
a beautiful beautiful Are you in the watchers?

Speaker 1 (56:23):
No?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Not really, not really, No, you're not You're not in
the ship.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
I only got it, not really.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Shot for you, just yo. But yo, I ain't gonna
lie to you. I admire that for you, like the
fact that the industry hasn't you know what I'm saying,
Like I see your motherfucker into this industry and the
way they come pause, the way they enter, and the
way they consumed you. It's too different. You ain't let

(56:55):
it affect you. You didn't let it make you a
bad person. Trust me, I've saw it all. Thank you,
and I'm gonna take a shot to you being human.
Thank you, bro, appreciate that's real ship human. That's a
crazy pause though, you know that, you know what I'm
trying to say, like, yes, thank you, thank you for

(57:18):
correcting what he paused me.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
But you have no idea how many people you see
coming up pause and when when.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
When it's time for them to you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
And that's when they want to be humble, that's when
they want to be cool people.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
And then no one takes their call. Man.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, but boy when they there, homie, God, I tell
them I'm there. I've been here twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
I'm gonna stay here. You might not. I gat me more.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
I'm sorry I went. I went. No, but for real, man,
like yo yo. I watched Rory and Maul your interview
and Rory just called me as funny as hell. And
Ory said that the time that he went to your show,

(58:21):
it was the most females he ever seen.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
In New York City. Come out, maybe you gotta it's
a breezy bubble, of course, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
With me.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
I mean, but like they're there for the you know, no,
they said this is your show, Chris Brown about show?
It was your show? Yeah, come on.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Rory said that he went to your show at Webster
Hall and it was the most females in New York
City that he ever saw.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Did you know that? I mean he said it to you, Yes,
he said it to you. You know, you know, you know,
no is that is that something? Does that make you
a sex symbol? Nah? Definitely not. Do you think you're
a sex symbol? No? When you make sexy fucking music, right,
I appreciate that, man, I appreciate that. No, I'm just nerve.

Speaker 7 (59:16):
Man.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Let's just be chilling. That was a whole gamer man,
I just be chilling, like you know, the girls are
like me, like me and the girls who don't you
know whatever. I just make music and you know for
people who you know love women, and I appreciate women
a lot, so you know you don't think the new
Definitely not. I'll be sure none of those. I'm just

(59:40):
a guy who's uh, I'm just I'm just a guy
who's in the house. Break.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
I'm gonna take a shot for you, man, because I
wanted to give you your flowers.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Solo, Solo should go take a shot. I don't want to,
and I just want to say something real quick. That's one.
Everybody didn't know that. I just ran in New York City,
motherfucking marriga.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I think this is no other artists. I would have
came out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
For a pause, stop that ship, bro, but I would
have been in bed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah, but they said I appreciate you got right, and
I'm coming off he came shimmering. He was like, yeah
for you, motherfucker because you and the motherfucker. So is
there anything that you felt like you didn't do in
the industry that you is this something that you want

(01:00:42):
to get an accomplished.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
I ain't really collaborated with all the people that I
would have loved to collaborate. I won't name the names,
but like, I really love but let's go it out
there in a positive way. YEA, Yeah, Well I love artists,
I love people that create. I appreciate icons. I appreciate
people who you know, it's not easy to bring people
out to your shows. You know, a thousand people, five
thousand people, ten thousand people that some people doing fifty

(01:01:11):
thousand and six the Bridge Bowl's crazy. So it's like
anybody that can do that, like, I appreciate them, you
know what I'm saying. And you know, there's so many
people that I would just have loved to work with,
not because I feel like it could do something for me,
or like it's gonna bring me more money or more fans,
or like I get a chance to shit on them
on the song and sang better than them, or rap
better than them. But just because we get to make

(01:01:32):
something create people to you know, to just enjoy and
live with for their life, you know. And there's a
lot of people in the industry that I really never
got the chance to like sit in the studio and
chop it up with and be like yo, whatever and
then we make a song. You know. I used to
think that that's how the music industry was, like, you know,
because in high school, I wasn't really the cool guy,
so you know, but I was really fucking good at music.

(01:01:55):
So I was like, you know, that made me cool.
So whenever I started looking at the music industry, I
was like, okay, ship, when I get a music industry,
it's gonna be like I'm meeting all my my people.
This is my table right here, like all the people
in high school that wasn't you know, I had no
table there, like this is my table. And then I
got there and it just was like more tables, a
lot of tables. I was like, my damn, you know,

(01:02:15):
and I was just like, holy shit. Uh so that's
probably the one thing that I haven't done. But want
me throw a couple of features that I think I
would like I love shot that. I don't know if
she that would come out the you know, she don't
come out, but but I would. I would do that.
I would do that. Who's producing that I would? I

(01:02:38):
mean probably probably Charlie, but I would let her do.
I was like, yo, shot that, What do you need
me to do? Like if it's just an ad lib?
If I just got to sing in a lower octave
under you and I don't even get no shine in
time like no verse, you just sing it back up?
I don't get it damn. You know, like I'm doing
that taking a shot for that took still on? How

(01:03:03):
about a joint with Josh? Yeah, I do that. I
want I want them to push me to be a
better singer for sure, you know, so I would. I
would try to do some ship that I've never done before.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Now up, up, who is somebody you would want to
write for? C? B.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Drake? Those are people always named for, I mean, name
a lot of female artists. You know, I haven't really
gotten into my songwriting bag so like to be honest,
like it's hard for me to really to say, but
those will be the people that come to mind, like
right away, and honestly newer artists who you know, don't
have nothing at all, like let me, let me, let

(01:03:46):
me write from ship for you, Like if there's somebody
out there, honestly, another thing is like FIRS, a rapper
with a really really really really good rapping voice, I
would write for them just because, like the thing that
about me is like the fact that I'm a singer.
You know, people will never in a million years ever
take me serious as a rapper. It's just how it goes.
When you sing really good or whatever, you make really

(01:04:08):
good R and B songs and then you rap, They're
just gonna be like you're trying to rap. Even if
you rap than anybody else, you know what I'm saying,
It's just like nah, you're trying to blah blah blah,
or like I don't like when you rap whatever. So
I would take all my raps and I would give
it to somebody who has that rapper you know, rapper
voice and that rapper energy. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
You think like one time I came outside, right, I
was in Puerto Rico, in fact, I'm going to Puerto
Rico tonight, and the dude bumped into me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
And he sung me my song. Guys, he was this
is me as he was this singer. Yeah, he was like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I looked at it and it's awesome to me. But
I looked at this guy and I was like, holy shit,
and I knew that record is bigger than me, but
he knew it was you, right, hell no, oh that's
even hell know, like the video wasn't really out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Like that, like you know what I mean, like Puerto Rican.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Maybe he thought she looked like the video wasn't out yet,
so he's no, it's he just really wanted to beef
with me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
And want to be for him that song in his head.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Do you like, do you think that music sometimes superseds
a person's image?

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I'm one of those people. You know,
there's so many people that be like I never knew
what you looked like. There'd be some people that be
trying so hard to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Not know what I look like because you're like you're
like you're like hip hop's clark In. Yeah, you get
what I'm trying to say, Like you can put on
your cape when you go perform, but then you can
take it off and you go and be ship. And
I said, I seen you in a restaurant.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
He was mad.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
I was think, you ain't loading. But what I'm saying
is that's fucking that's genius. Yeah, that's genius that you
can do. Do you feel like, because this is a
very hard question, do you even like being famous?

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Nah? I was just talking to somebody about this earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Nah, just because I mean, it definitely has this perks,
you know, but like you don't want to wait and
there's a couple of lines in the restaurant. Yeah, that's
what I was gonna say, Like I get to skip
up people the apple.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
I guess that's okay, you know what I'm saying, Like
that's the one thing, and the other thing is like,
you know, you still get to use your fame to
get money later on in life, you know, m And
that's cool. But other than that, what other perks doesn't
really have to being famous? You know? And bro, yeah,
it's just like you know, I've never been, don't get
me wrong. In the first year when I came out,

(01:06:53):
like it was cool to see people knowing who I was,
but mainly because I love music so much and the
fact that people knew my music and they see me
on the street, it was different. You know what I'm saying.
It was like, oh, Ship, like people recognize me. But
like after a while, I was like, Okay, I don't.
I don't care to be famous at all. Like you're different.
I want to walk around like I don't give a
funk about Like I'll be the nigga waiting outside in

(01:07:14):
the line to get in the club if I have to,
like I'll be trying to skip line and ship like
I be chilling, you know, and I'm just.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Look, Josey, you have a question, you have any questions
you want to This is your biggest.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Fan, you know. That's that's good. We got a song.
We got a song. Let's repeat?

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
What is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Okay? Yes? Yeah, shout out to Caroline. Man, we've been
friends for a long time. You know, we both kind
of came into the music industry somewhere around the same time.
And uh yeah, we got we got, we got, we
got a song together. You know, we always just been
you know, real friends. So like, you know, we never
forced the music. We do have something. I think it
might be coming out. I don't know, so yeah, yeah, Ship,

(01:08:06):
I'm taking a shot for that. I'm sorry, man, Yeah,
so what what what is I know?

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
I asked this earlier, so my access him reverse because
I asked alive and you picked Drake and you picked
So Now I was like, what would be your dream
collab of a person that's passed away? Who would you
Who would you dig up from the grave?

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Mm hmm. That has to be music, right, No, I mean,
go ahead, pick anybody. Now that's direction because like I
love I swear to god, I love music so much,
but like not to the point where I wanted to
think him up out of the grave. Okay, grave, Like, man,

(01:08:52):
I wish I wish you could have did a song
like I don't think I like, I don't think I
cared that much about music. But if there's somebody I
was like, I just wish I could have picked their
brain and just talk to them and tell them to
tell them about my ideas. Be Steve Jobs. For sure,
I didn't expect that, but I didn't. I'm really really
curious about just like what was going on? Is oude

(01:09:14):
of his mind? You know I'm mistaking about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Okay, So let me ask you this, speaking of Steve Jobs,
do you respect streaming?

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Streaming? Yeah, well, I gotta say streaming is the main
reason why I'm the highest certified R and B song.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
So, like I remember at one point people were mad
at you for keeping loading up a sound Clouds. They
wanted you to stay on Apple, they wanted you to
be pe. You kept you kept going back to sound
even Soundclouds still streaming. Yeah, it's almost like free though,
like Geff free, and a lot of people don't really
I mean sorry SoundCloud, but there's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
That don't have it, you know. I mean they're going
to Spotify, They're going to Yeah, that platform is not
used as much as it. Yeah, but I gotta you know,
a soft spot a special place in my heart for
SoundCloud because for one reason, and one reason only really
is just because it's just lip not just that too
thousand percent. And in this instant, like when I'm feeling

(01:10:14):
something like and I love what I'm doing, I'm like,
I gotta drop this tonight, right. You can control when
that compit? Yeah, I can drop. I can litle go
on my computer. That that is, that is that is
I can't do that way for music. I can't do
that with Spotify. I got a call this person and
that's the second for the Yeah, and as an artist,
I ain't really trying to do all that, you know
what I mean, Like if I'm just feeling something, you know,

(01:10:36):
fans like, we want music, we want music, you know
what I'm saying. I feel like SoundCloud is the easiest way.
But you know, so a lot of times when I
did that, they would be pissed because they're like, why
are you still dropping on SoundCloud? Like you know you're
getting free music?

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
What do you mean about a lot of artists came
out for SoundCloud, but there was a whole generation of
art discovered.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
I believe he's king. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying, Like, you got to give
SoundCloud his credit? Yeah, yeah, we will. And it was
another time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
You posted a picture online with your girl, people were
mad at you that you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Were happy that happened. Yeah, what the fuck is this? So?

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Is it true that they want they want you guys
to be sad to make a thousands. They think that
you have to be sad to make good. The reason
why they were I just know they wanted you to
they want me to be.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
They would always tell my girl, like, you know, break
his heart so we can get into love. Man, I'm
kind a terrible fan. Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
This is horrible. It's hard. Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Do you do you believe that that you have to
go through pain to make your music?

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
No, that's not the case at all, because a lot
of people are like, yo, Trap, So he was heartbroken.
It's just like, how do you How would y'all know
that I'm heartbroken? You know what I mean? Nobody knew
what I was going on, and I don't want to
spoil the magic for nobody. I'm not going to y'all
who Trap Soul was about.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Who.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
I'm not gonna I don't even want to ruin it
for people, So like, think whatever you think. But like,
you know, I definitely wasn't heartbroken. You know. It's just
like as humans, we have we have our days, you know,
we go we go through specific things. One day we
might be feeling this way, you know, and like when
I'm feeling a certain way, I wrote about it. You know,
I'm feeling happy and I'm feeling good, like I'm about

(01:12:23):
to make it and like all my ex is gonna
be calling I made this song. Sorry, not sorry, you
know what I'm saying. So it was like it was
different emotions, you know, that I was feeling so well
for people to be like, you know, yeah, break his
heart so we can get a new album. Like bro,
I just you know, it's not my job, you know,
like y'all need therapist, yeah, for real life or like

(01:12:45):
you know, I mean even my my Solid, the album
that I just released was the first time since Trap,
so I was like, you know, what the fuck it,
I'm gonna be super vulnerable, you know, and talk about
like some of my hard times and what I'm what
I'm going through, so so people can just relate to it,
because I know that sometimes people need to hear other
people talk about their feelings so they could feel comfortable

(01:13:06):
to talk about theirs or you know, like they need
something that's gonna help them heal and to heal me ship.
Like I was listening to the you know, my last
album Solid on the on the treademill a lot. But
I still think it's fucked up that, like, you know,
people would just you know, I think they do that
to Ryle Wave too. They're like, yo, make sad music again.
It's just like he he ain't or not, like he

(01:13:26):
don't want to do sad kind of do it to
Oi y'all. It kind of went y'all side yeah, but
like that's like you got you got some other issues
you gotta work out. There's so many other songs music
that you can listen to. That's like for me personally,
like I'm not listening to those sad music to help
me get through my sadness. Like so see me personally,

(01:13:46):
like I'm not. That's not like I think I was
listening to Latin music the entire time I was heartbroken.
I was listening to nothing but Latin music because I
didn't understand none of the lyrics and I was like,
I was like, it sound like music and they happy
and talk about exactly. I'm just like, yo, this is
what I'm rocking, you know what I mean, just because

(01:14:08):
like I don't want to hear nothing that's gonna put
me deeper in that, you know, Like yeah, like I
don't know. So I hate that, I really do, But
at this point it don't matter to me no more.
They can say whatever they want, make this type of music,
make that type music. I'm going to make whatever the
fuck I feel like making.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
You know, so, you're one of the only artists that
dropped the double album, and like this era.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Oh for real? Yeah, what do you mean this era?

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Like I believe the last time a double album was
Biggie and Tupac.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
No, no, no Scorpion. Oh it's a double goddamn it?
My bad? Yeah, all right, my bad.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
You know, niggas I recognized dropping a double album.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
I would say that this might be. I mean, now,
I got to say that Bruh's album was a true
double album too, though, because he did like arm mostly
like R and B feels and shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Rap on right, Okay to me, let me make my
question make more sense us knowing that you being the writer,
like we want to get paid for like eight to
ten songs when you do that double album, that double
album is basically that second album is basically a giveaway?
Did you honestly you knew that?

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Shut out? Shut out my manager, man, you found out
talking a lot about this. But like, I don't be
doing it for that reason. Man. I think what I
was going through with Solace and Ship, it was so
sad that I was like, bro, I just want to
have fun. I ain't trying to think about all the
other ship And the main reason I did, I decided
to make it a double album. Solace was supposed to
be his own thing, and then the Vices was like,

(01:15:45):
you know when I dropped whatever She Wants or whatever
that came out and it was going crazy. I was like,
whatever he wants, God damn it. Man, like up that record.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Every time a person gets into an argument with the girl,
they girl plays whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
See it's cool to you man ahead, but nah, So
when I had that song, it was going crazy. I
had my last album, which is called it was the
Bright until album was self titled, and I was like,
it was like mostly like a bunch of R and
B shit, and I was like, yo, I was sitting
on the four minute. I was like, Yo, let's pivot,

(01:16:27):
let's do it. Let's do it like an album that
feels like this, that's catered to the women, that's fun,
just flying vibe, you know what I mean. And you know,
they was like, nah, we should just you know, we
should just put it as a bonus on this album.
And you know, I was a little upset about that
because I was like, I guess we can do that,
you know. So we ended up putting it as a
bonus on the album, and you know, it just sucks

(01:16:49):
because it's like it's the most popular, it's the most
stream song on that album, and like, you know, even
I feel like even Quincy Jones would listen to the
album maybe, like nah, this ain't the best song on
the album, you know what I mean? This is lod
whatever she wants, whatever the fuck I'm talking about, you
know what I mean. But that's other songs like Prize
on there or like just I won't even get into it,
but that's songs where I'm really singing, I'm putting a

(01:17:10):
lot of armonies in Charlie Heat really doing his thing,
and like they all got overshadowed and overlooked because people
is looking for whatever she wants. They're like, Yo, where's
that where's that energy at? You know what I'm saying.
And I wanted to do that, but you know, people
you know labels like nah, So you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Think you are like a victim of your own success,
because now I'm gonna give you an example, right and
then I know you went through this, so I'm gonna
just say it. When I did what what What?

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Then I came out with oh no, right after that,
it was the same exact thing, and they compared it to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
That don't was so huge.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Yeah, that they kept comparing you know what I'm saying
like that, it's not don't, but it's it's good. Do
you do you feel like you're victim of your own
success like that? Oh no, uh, because everywhere they say
the compared to your last head, they always compare to see.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Your last Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yeah, that's what I mean, That's what I'm That's what
I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Well, fortunately for me, don't wasn't my last head, you
know what mean?

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
But yeah, like yeah, I've heard people say make another don't,
But like I've always been the type of artist that, like,
I'm not trying to make the same song. And there's
people out there that will argue, like all his music
sound the same, He's just making the same song over
and over and over about you. Yeah, yeah I've heard that.
But like I'm just boalid because the songs that literally

(01:18:40):
don't sound like each other at all, you know what
I mean. But now, like I don't like trying to
make the same like even me as an artist, Oh no, no,
I'm sorry. As a fan listening to artists, I'm not like, Yo,
I need Frank Ocean to make another Channel Orange. I
need him make I need jay Z to make another
you know what I mean? Like for what made it?

(01:19:00):
You know what I mean? Like he already made it
for me to listen to, So like why do I
need him to go make another one of those? But
a lot of these fans nowadays, they just they really
and shiit. People might see this and be like, nah,
you don't know what he's talking about. We need you
need to go back and make it again. Like it's
like nah, but that's not how it works, you know.
Like you know, so for me, I don't really pay

(01:19:21):
too much attention when people say that. I just keep
making ship And you know, I'm so glad. I thank
God that I'm blessed and I've been able to just
continue to take care of my family and and make
money in the music industry doing whatever the fuck. But
I really want to do you know what I'm saying.
But I listened to him every Here's when I when

(01:19:42):
I do my fans a solid, you know, those people
that really rock with trap soul. Every anniversary, So like
when it's a five year anniversary or a ten year anniversary.
For the five year anniversary, I dropped the album called Anniversary,
paying homage to Trap Soul, which is my first album.
Like I didn't call it Trap so Too because I'm
just like, that's that's just suicide. I'm like, but I'm

(01:20:05):
gonna compare it, you know what, But I'm compared it anyway.
But like this is what that is. You're paying how
much to yourself, like to it. So I did that,
and then on the ten years I dropped Solad, so
I was like, yo, I'm paying homage and I'm going
back and tapping into that bag, you know, even getting
the old beats that I was listening to back then.
But even still it don't matter, like they're still gonna

(01:20:27):
be like nah, it's still not the same, you know
what I mean. But you know it's like when you
hear people make new new Christmas music, you know what
I'm saying, Like somebody might make a new original Christmas
song and it ain't gonna hit as hard as the
Frank Sinatra and all that, you know, all them Christmas songs.
Then you make a Christmas album. I did, but it's
not a shame, yeah, but not making a point that like,

(01:20:51):
you know, it ain't nostalgia. People are really driven by
nostalgia and they think like.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Now, but they can plain now and then five ten
years later look back at Oh man, that was great.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Yeah, that's exactly. That's why you can't listen to it
in and now. Nope at all. He's got to keep
moving forward and even listen to none of that. I
just right now. I'm in the space ever since twenty twenty.
You know, I recently posted something like, yo, it's a
common misconception that pricing till it don't drop enough, And
I hate hearing that shit he don't drop enough. But
like I've been dropping ever since twenty twenty, Like I

(01:21:26):
haven't stopped. It's the algorithm, it's the social media, it's
all that. It's the brutal industry that's keeping me suppressed
and keeping me, you know, smothered to where it's like
nobody would ever know that I'm releasing, you know what
I mean. Twenty twenty, I dropped my anniversary album twenty
twenty one, I dropped I Think the Deluxe, and then
I went into the Christmas album, and then I dropped
a ten year anniversary of my first mixtape ever, Killer

(01:21:49):
Instinct Too, and then I dropped BTA, the album which
I was working on nine stop putting out singles when
I could, and then then I came out with slum
Till the mixtape. Singage was Whatever she Wants was featured
on That's three three I think three of them. And
then I came out with a double album this year
and like I'm working on the next ship, you know
what I'm saying. So it's like I can't I'm saying

(01:22:14):
all that to say, like you know, it's just people
like all here and dropping. I was just like, nah,
you just you know, you can't. You can't see it,
you can't hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
And that's cool, you know, just the mean lot of
question for me, this is my favorite question in Dream
Champs history.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Independent or major. I never experienced what it was like
to be independent, so I couldn't really tell you. I'm
trying to learn a little bit more. I'm trying to
I'm trying to learn. I'm trying to learn a little
bit more what what what it means to be independent.
That's somebody I was gonna reach out to. Don't that

(01:22:52):
I want to be not that I want to be independent,
but more so just because I just want to understand
what it means to be independent.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
I would imagine in the R and B field, it
would be a lot more different.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
I would say. Right now, as an artist, it feels
like that the labels are just bank, you know, like
just what a bank? Yeah, I mean that you're correct,
because it's not like they're taking this song.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
And making it independent is wrong. But listen, you can't
say that right now. It's different than back then.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Man, we got, we got, we got. Back then we
got what's my man name? N B A young boy
and that's it. He independent. Now I forgot, I forgot,
I forgot, all right, But what I know, man, there's
a lot who else is killing the independent?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Come on, russells Russell ship you make it points then
you will to the Russ and Russells, Russell and Russ
Oh Christian artists?

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
No, bro, who's the wressel Man from the area? Oh
my bad? Okay, okay, my bad. I thought it was
La Russell, but yeah, maybe it is Russell. Yeah yeah,
but you ain't fucking independent. I mean, I don't know
who who's I'm signing r C. Okay, I've been signing
like that. He liked that major. I'm signed R G A.

(01:24:18):
I mean, I don't know if that's good or bad,
but like you know, shout out to them. As long
as that money comes along. Yeah, as long as you're
successful and flourishing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Independent is yeah, you don't want to be independent, you know,
you don't listen.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Don't listen to this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Man like the Wall, it's not for everybody, but you
will go back to the Sheraton and not good.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
And he's speaking from the era in the nineties when
the labels were flushed with money and they were just
showing these artists with money.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Yeah, so he's talking from a different area, the Major.
That sounds fun when you stay in Major. Yeah, no,
hold on, let me cheers with you. What is that
ma majuana? What exactly? It's room based? It's a Dominican drink. Okay,

(01:25:17):
who over there? All Dominicans?

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
All Dominicans when they find out they drinking wanat.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
You open up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Let's talk about the game for a second. Stuart, Uh,
you've been is that it ship? Holy moleague wakamo brutal industry? Okay,
so you're selling a console.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
I'm not selling the console, but like this is a
handheld what consoles a handheld piece, It's called an antag.
I got like six of them. But it's like different,
and your phone is a Macintosh. What it looks like?
Actize you really want to see now? But this is
this is brutal industry. It's like it's like I said,
it's a handheld PC, so I can like extract files

(01:26:06):
and ship. But you know, I basically just download. Every
Friday we get a new build that comes out, and yeah,
I download my game on here, I test it out,
we play it, we see where it goes. And you
know what I'm saying? And what is it like a
downloadable app game or is it it's a real game
that comes out on all platforms.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
And uh so I have to buy that council to
get that? No, no, no, the Xbox yeah, Xbox any
anywhayo switch? How about my phone downloaded?

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
And wow too? Yeah, so I started working on this
back in twenty twenty. And uh, but is that your
console that you know it is? Okay? Yeah? Just so
uh that little Yeah, I've never said it like some
Japanese ship.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
Antex. This is like I was gonna give it to
my daughter because we got pink on it, but I
just bought it to see how it runs my game
or whatever. But it's a handheld PC essentially, it's just
a PC Windows essentially. So and what's the premise of
the game. I heard he's killing CEOs. Uh, he wants
to be independent. It's about it's about the music industry.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
I can't say, yeah, yeah, it's telling leles and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
It's a very satirical game about the music industry. You know,
I think a lot of times this industry is like
the ship that I go through is laughable. You know.
I'm just like, damn, Like, I can't believe that is
that way.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
I've been somebody that's in the house, Like I said,
I'm a nerd, like I play video games, and I've
seen this music industry ship. Make somebody send some goons
after me, like we gotta get Brice until it touched
because of they get touched because he disrespected me man
and he owed me or whatever. That's just like, damn, bro,
it's a brutal industry, man like, And I think it's sad.

(01:28:00):
It's really sad that, you know, artists are gonna have
to go through this ship. You gotta ship that you
might not expect. Like I said, I stopped talking to
everybody when my daughter was born just to see you
know what I mean, I didn't know what was gonna happen. Yeah,
who's gonna fuck with me? And then once I popped off,
which I didn't know was gonna happen, all of a sudden,
everybody started coming out the world words talking about oh
miss oh, I'm met, and we're gonna we're gonna put

(01:28:21):
death threats outside the house. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, like
O W E. So yeah, that's just you know, and
then dealing with egos in the music industry, dealing with
the media, you know what I'm saying, like media, but
like you know, there's some people out there that are,
like y'all that they got malicious intent and they're doing

(01:28:42):
it because they know, you know, like I said, there's
gonna be some clips from this ship that I'm probably
gonna hate to see. But I ain't even on social
media right now, like I'm just chilling. H no, broom,
turn this off, but out right now. But not like
you know, the industry is just it's fucked up with
artists have to go through, you know, just there's so

(01:29:02):
many different things that I just have made characters out
of and I love anime and there's a lot of
anime influenced in this game. And yeah, I just.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
I just want to give you a slight bit of advice.
You're a legend. Uh, let me let me finish your
a legend. You're on your way to be in the icon,
and there's moments that I don't want you to to miss. Yeah,

(01:29:35):
enjoy this ride is cool. This ride is cool and
and and I feel like you're being careful. So you're
not like really in like you know what I'm saying.
You're looking at the ride, but you know that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
That that ride is going to go up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
You're in Great Adventures, right, so you know that you're
on the ride, So you're being super careful and you're
not I want you to enjoy this more. You are
a legend, bro, You're a legend. These people came out here.
Look at all these people turn around. We do this
for ten years. Everyone was like, listen, you're alleged. So

(01:30:10):
I went as you know you know what your own family.
You're our family, whether you know it or not. You
know what I'm saying, Like, coming through Rich Rich is
my family. You want my family. I'm your family, and
I want you to enjoy this a little bit more,
if I can give you a little bit of advice,
just a little bit of advice. Enjoy this ride because

(01:30:33):
so many people ain't gonna get this, so many people
like I just ran on New York City Marathon and
I've seen people fall in front of me. They felt
they came right to the fucking finish line and fell
and I couldn't pull them because they wouldn't wh me.
But you're at the finish line, and I'm gonna tell
you something. I want to pull you with me because

(01:30:55):
you are a good dude, and enjoy this motherfucking ride
because it's ride is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
I'm sorry I got got old, got older, old on
your own.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
That was old, but yeah, not for real, because I
was just living a beautiful life.

Speaker 7 (01:31:11):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
If you heard my question, I'm just what's what? What's
the legend to you? To you? To me?

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
A legend is person who stays outside, who doesn't listen
to the critiques of these people fall for both of
our second album, and they comes back outside and the
press bevers and keeps going. And I know that word
might have just sounded a little crazy, but it keeps
going and does not let anybody crack them, And let

(01:31:42):
me just tell you something.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
You have done that. You have done that already. Celebrate yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Pat yourself on the back, and just in case if
you don't want to, I'll help you pat yourself on
the back. Bro, you are fucking legend. Accept that ship, bro,
accept it because because that's the That's the beautifulest thing
about this is I know that you're accepting where you at.

(01:32:10):
But you're also like, man, fuck this all right, which
is cool.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
I've been there. But you have to look over that ship.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
You already made it. You're already who it is. There's
people who already look up to you. Yeah, they're inspired
by you. So you just got to accept that ship. Bro,
You're a fucking legend and accepted.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
I'm just is that cool? Is that cool? Yes? I
just want you to know that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
I want you to know that, like for real, because
I know what you humble, Yeah, and sometimes being humble
it's next to being like not accepting your credits, you
know what I'm saying. And now you got to accept
your credits. Bro, You got to look at the fucking
the end of the film, the end of the film.

(01:32:59):
Your name is dead as fucking executive you know what
I mean. Solute to you, brother, Thank you, bro, Solute
to you, appreciate it. And salute to your crew for
holding them down. Salute to you being here man, because
this is this is this is beautiful and I wanted
to give you your flowers, brother, and I thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
But this is the last question. How many babies do
you think you made? Damn?

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
Did you make love making music? Motherfucker? You know people
used to say that to me, and I never understood
because I was like, really making love to this, like
motherfucker's to your ship. That's wowd I don't know, man,
I'm happy that I contributed you like three three thousands,
maybe three hundred thousand babies, who knows, man. I really

(01:33:53):
just hope that I made a lot of men question
question the decisions, you know what I'm saying, and and
or not even just had just people men they relationships
that they might have broken, you know, more than babies.

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
You know, hopefully some babies came out of that. But
like you know, if you just meant like I just
want to help people get through.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
They they mentioned the sart their relationships or just really
think about it, like damn, you know what, maybe maybe
I did up. You know, maybe I need to like,
maybe I need to revisit that and and see it
from a different perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
So, so, is there ever a record that you you
thought you went too personal on? Because I know you
personal question? Uh ship, I can't. I can't recall right now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Especially not about your girl your ex's. Yeah, I can't,
I can't recall.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Just leave that alone, like you never released music or
an album and and kind of like social media.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
Where you kind of like I kind of exposed too
much there. Definitely my second album for Shure, I was like, yeah,
I'm saying, wait, way too much, you know, Like the
Alcum cover itself was inspired by like that that MTV
show is called True Life or something shit, exposing like
what people are like really going through. I was like,
this is all I know that I'm just telling them
what I'm going through. So but it was too much,

(01:35:07):
you know. So listen, man, what day?

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Me and you going, Hey, I just diss each other
about our second album.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Because you ain't letting it go. And his second album
is a classic in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
So I relate to you so much because I know
exactly how you feel. Because it's exactly how I feel.
But thank you man for being here.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Man. I appreciate that man.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Appreciate your energy, appreciate rich appreciate all this.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
Ship man like Yo, You're a legend.

Speaker 7 (01:35:37):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
I want to give your flowers. Take a picture. Let's
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
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