#Throwback Episode - w/ Dave Mays & Benzino | (Ep. 10) - Drink Champs

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yeah, what's something, y'all? What's going on? Bronk He's a
legendary Queen's rapper. Hey, Segree is your boy in e
He's a Miami hip hop pioneer.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
What is DJ e f N?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Together? They drink it up with some of the biggest
players in music and sports. You know what I mean?
The most professional, unprofessional podcast. This is drinks with every
day is New Year's Eve. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hey, ain't Sagreeobia?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Savia? This is your boy in?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
What up this DJ e f N?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
It is a drink chance the motherfucker podcast? Make something.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Right now?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hit that again? The offen and right now.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm so excited, not because these people are my friends,
but before these people are my friends.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I knew who they were doing. I seen what they
were doing.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
They are the people who edited, who architected the magazine business.
Everybody big for their blueprint. After they made it, they
tried to recreate it. These guys has been down for
twenty years. Also, these guys have been doing it. Wemed it.

(01:15):
If you've got four mics, you went gold instantly and
your ship was called the Classic. If you got five mics,
you probably went platinum instantly. But your ship was called
the Classic Round days. We don't have no type of
system at all. Your album will just come out and
as long as the dude with purple hair and dreadlocks
say your shit.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Is good and you might work it. This is not
back in the days. Back in the days, it was hard.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Back in the days, you had to hit chickling circuit.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Back in the days, you had to do what you
had to do.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
And if you had to get on this magazine, you
had to be privileged to be on this magazine. No knuckernuts,
the nuts was making this magazine right now.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
We're talking about the co owner, the founders.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Excuse me, let me correct, no coding, the founders of
the soft magazine right now in the house. We got
Dave make Zino makes something. I want to get straight
to the points. You know, one day, me and you
and joh Rul was on the phone.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
But you gotta let them know we do this on
a regular No.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Me and John Rul, we all like the three amigo.
We like we're like the first take of hip hop,
right we we we we were going at it. Yeah, yeah,
I mean me, me, me, j Roul and I said,
like Ja Rul said, He said, I don't give a
funk about the mic system, right, You remember he said that?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
And I said, that's course you only got three mics.
You remember that.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
But but but I always got four mics. I always
love the mic system. The mic system is will help
make my career.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Just make some noise for that. Hold on, let's make
them what you told me though, the first time you
call me, you called.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Me a backpack wrapper. First of all, I cared about.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
The thought he said that you thought that I was
the one that didn't give you four and a half.
And I'm gonna let it be known right now, right here,
right here, all right, and this is this is like,
we have no reason to lie. I can't do that
as much as I wanted to, but because you know
what I'm saying, you know, come on, I'm saying, so

(03:21):
you told me that you thought I was the one
that was that I thought anything.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
I thought at one point that if the sauce anything
that was bad than the sauce, I thought that you
had something to do with the bad part.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
And I thought, Dave, what you thought that I rated
the mic system? I thought that you.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Rated the mic system. I thought that any bad article I.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Thought it was the Angelist straight for all artists because
said the same thing.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
You know what I'm saying the first time I met him.
A few like, yeah, I never ever hate machine by
the way I hate I never.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Ever ever ever gave anybody Mike. But set now I'm
gonna get into it. No, No, I'm just saying, other
than the situation that happened with you know what I'm saying,
the source myself and eminem. You know what I'm saying,
that was the only time the mic system like I
kind of I kind of put my authority.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
But even way by wait, that's that's that's all.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
The other one hundred and ninety covers and Mike's and everything,
I never had nothing to do with it, Like that's
a back room meeting of editors and people up there.
And I never was once ever in any of those meetings.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
But even still though, you know, but even still to
this day, do you not realize how important the bike
system was.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
I mean, I remember you was telling me like, yeah,
like I was. I was bugging that I was explaining
to you understood it, but didn't I didn't feel it
like y'all did.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Wow, Wow, how about you Dave, you, you, me and
you on the same page. That mics system meant a
lot to the culture.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I mean, you know, we took very serious.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
You know, it was something that that the staff took seriously.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
You know, the authenticity of it. So you know it
meant a lot.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
You got some good ratings, how five, So keeping you
the real meat, I had to tell y'all just because
you got three MIC's job, that was your problem.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
But let me play devil's advocate, right, all right, but
what's the mic system of of of some people who
might especially as RAPS started territorializing, meaning Houston had its
own side of the Bay Area added so sign okay,
if you got a bunch of people up in the
office that not used to these sounds, then how then
how can they really rate your ship properly? And now

(05:27):
that's that's number one? Then number two? Right, the business
side of the game. There's two sides of the source.
It's business and it's editorial.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
FN you're the label to be Child's Busy again technical no.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
No, no, no no, But you're the label and you're artists,
and you're paying the advertising for your artists right within
the editorials hitting you off for two and a half
mics within that Now what now?

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Now?

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Now?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
What now? Now?

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Now?

Speaker 1 (05:54):
What do we do?

Speaker 4 (05:55):
You know what I'm saying. So it wasn't always as
you know, I think what it was.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
You know what I'm saying. People people have different perspectives
on things.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
My thing is like, you know, if you got a
song and you believe in it, then okay, that's great
that other people that you would want other people to
rate it. But when you think of again, it's just
these are just human beings and people like you are
to raise something to say you like it or not.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
No, But I mean the times have changed. But back then,
I think you got you guys?

Speaker 2 (06:24):
What did they say? He was the hip hop Bible? Understood?
I got it great? A compliment is that though they
ultimately I mean, Dave could take that right? Did you?

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Did you feel like, you know, accomplishment? People called it
the hip hop Bible not I mean it felt good.
But I was always striving to keep going and more
bigger things. So it was like stopped just to not
a source was he started?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I heard a piece of paper.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
I remember my first like sauce I actually bought like
I had other source magazines But the first sauce I
actually bought was the mass Appeal cover. I believe that's
the cover where Na's got five mics correct, massive massive.
When I say mass Appeal, it was I meant a gurgle,
gang star and uh dj man that was That was

(07:14):
the issue. Google that has and Google that the computer.
Let's see if that's the issue, because you know, I don't.
We want to give our correct information. But that was
my first sauce. I was in jail, and it meant
so I can't say it meant so much more than
me because I would come home and hip hop kids
would have the issue the same way. Well, I just
want to commend you guys for making. So did you

(07:35):
know what you guys were doing when you make? Because
it's you're from d C.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Correct day. Yeah, and then you're from Boston. So how
did how did your first link up to you already
had the sauce right there.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Or or it was something y'all came up together, Harved
let's make some noise today.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Being in Harvard, you already already alad. I was on
Harvard Street and I was already already.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
In the street Rocksburg. That's wait. So that's why I
might look make such ship's.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
My first, that's my first.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
But you so Harvard is in the hood. How what
I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (08:17):
The Harvard and the schools in Cambridge?

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Okay, it's in Cambridge. I started a radio show, hip hop.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Hip hop radio show on the Harvard.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Radio Give give Dave another drink, Give him another drink.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Listen, drink Listen, ben Zeno and Dave, they are my friends.
You can tell they my friends. They dugged out bottles
of Armadelle. It's not a Rocky Brother no more. It
is now hip Hop Weekly sponsored Holy Mocking.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
These are my friends.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
I'm We're gonna get to you a lot of stories
thinking this a lot.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Of that, like we got family, the family. Like, excuse
me for saying friends, brothers both of them. Man, that's right.
So how does the Harvard guy you for I'm from Roxbury, Dorchester, Massachusetts.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
How does the Harvard guy look up link up with
the Roxbury Dorsters that this is great?

Speaker 4 (09:09):
He was doing that, He was doing the Harvard thing.
I had grouped the Almighty.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Saying Harvard like it's light, Harvid is yeah, niggas in Boston.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Harvey was just over there with the police said, and
white people.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
That's everywhere else. People are trying to get understand that.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yeah, prestigious, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Number one rap group up there in Boston. Excuse meself, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Al might managed already feeling different. I went out to
one of the shows. That's why.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Just before that, that's when we first met. I went
out to one of their shows they were performing. I
went out and introduced myself, treaching them, told them about
my radio show. I was hosting the show Street Beat
Go Go Days.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
You know, come on up. I want you all to come,
you know, do an interview up on my radio. So
that's how we met. And then he just started he
used to his leathern African thing.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie Davis Davids the blackest white person.
He's definitely everybody in the act. I don't even I've
never looked at them, fella. I know that it's just
as black as me. Not black. Let's make some noise
with da man.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Nigga's gotta start clapping. Man. I stopped having a conversations
and me watching y'all.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
But then but then we ended up linking up and like, yeah,
well he had a radio station. But you said that
my DJ from the from the Artist Soul ended up
spending on his harve two times.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
It was a station for classical music and Dave Man
should get some hip hop on it. So Jeff went
up there to be his DJ.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Jeff two times pick up Jeff. Okay, yeah, you know
what I'm.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Saying first, and then you know what I'm saying, and
then I don't want to say it then yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Then then from then we just started linking up, you know,
I started, I started working with his him in the group.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
All right, And I'm gonna get I'm gonna direct this
question towards you. Now, I know Benzino, I know how
smart he is, but the average person don't see that.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
How did you see his genius?

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Dade? I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
I mean, it's just always been a click from I
mean from the beginning, or or was it later on?
I mean, of course it grew and it evolved over time,
the relationship, but there was just you know, there was
just something there, you know, that's kept us together all
these years.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I mean, it's definitely a respect.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
I mean, he's got brothers, man, he's a he's a brilliant,
brilliant person all the time, and you know.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
You gotta go, you gotta come. Listen, how did you know?
How did you know when you met him that this
is a guy you're gonna partner up with? Like it
was that the first intention, like no, hell no, Dave,
Dave was just cool.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
We used to go to Harvard. But what I dug
about Dave was like Dave that need to be around
a whole bunch of different dudes. But really was like
he's from d C. So he really didn't ask for
the city, you know what I'm saying. Then, you know,
like when you were around one thing about racism, it
breaks down a couple of things. It breaks down is
crimp crime, because no matter what, it don't matter. If

(12:15):
you connected with somebody and y'all doing some dirt, there's
never no racism. He could be Irish, Italian, black, if
y'all are homeboys, y'all you feel me. But then it
just goes on like it was like, Okay, he's at Harvard,
I'm overhead. Damn, he's kind of cool. You know what
I'm saying. Fucking let's just go see what overhead is
like you fuck with David was he the.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
First person that when you spoke to him and you said,
maybe I could get out the streets. No you you
wanted to get out of the streets. No, no, no,
you didn't want to get out the streets.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
No.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, yeah, I was wild.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I heard ourself heard.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Not just that every day, never watched he had a record,
label the record.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
We'll talk about that story too. You talk about thinkings,
No I did.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
It was ninety when that happened. We can talk about
that later later.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Stay back on the pick up to Paul pis Yeah cool, now, yeah,
it was cool then. Okay, what I'm saying, you know
Roders want to come up here, you know he might
know what she too.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
She was.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
I remember that. I remember that.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
So let's let's let's let's talk about it made the
transition to reality. But before you made the transition to reality,
you didn't give a funk about telling the industry to
kiss your hass. How did the.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Attitude derived like?

Speaker 4 (13:44):
It wasn't, No, it wasn't. It was just different times.
You know what I'm saying. Back then, you know, you
know what I'm saying. It was just I don't know,
you know, from Boston always kind of I always got
a little reverend. I'm older, so I got a little
revolution to send me, you know. Back then, Yeah, well,
you know we because I mean, you know what I'm saying,
because it's like you you're seeing it, You're seeing the struggle,

(14:05):
and you're looking at things that ain't right, and you know,
you're seeing people being politically correct. I really don't understood
stood what that was as much as I do now,
you know what I'm saying. But back then I felt
like I had I had no political correctness. That's when
you know, you like you're a real revolutionaries when you
have no political correctness. I don't think of that anymore

(14:25):
because I have a lot of politically correctness and the reasons.
But that but that that don't that don't take away
you know that that is I don't wonder what the
hoodness is different the hoods there.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
You know, I did it, done that. But I'm saying
as far as really giving a fuck for the betterment
of our culture. You know what I'm saying about to
go deep.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Look at you know, I love it. You know, get drunk.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Do you remember the time you got drunk and you
left in a wheels chair. I don't drink. I don't drink.
I remember, Yeah, I ain't gonna like him.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Listen, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
You listen. There was no snapchat, there's no Instagram. Remember,
people had to actually listen to my story on what.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
The niggas.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
He walked to the hotel and they was like, I
can't walk. They went and got him a wheelchair.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
I was like, oh my god, a body and there
was no everything. He was not really a drinking like a.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Drinking and he started making He started hanging out with me,
even though you know, I noticed where you get when
you mix.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
You can't see why, you just all over the place.
But but that's how they drink like they.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Money Me and Sonny. Yeah, i't go for a Dave
drink like that too. Dave is a day. Let me
just tell you about Dave. Listen, I've hung out with Dave,
just like I hung out with you and Dave. He'd
beat dropped.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
He'd just be why, like you.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Niggas drink different?

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, yeah, niggas is the liver boy a TRANSSEXUALI drink.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Drink any different.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I said, I said it wrong, dry sexual tried anything.
Big difference difference.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
So you know, let's go because you know we on
the podcast. I'm still waiting for the always had to
ask this question, man, did you have anything to do
with that?

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Miss man?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Listen, listen?

Speaker 4 (16:40):
You know what I'm beyonest with you, right, It's like
you know, you know, like when you when you have relationships.
You know what I'm saying in the industry, male and
female friends. You know what I'm saying, like your friends like.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
You relationship friends, that's different friends.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
I'm saying like when you when you when you're dealing
with covers and magazines. It's all about when relationships with
the with the artists. You know what I'm saying. With
the person. You know what I'm saying, you.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Got to talk to us for he's proven he's probably
Oh no, I think I answered that correctly though where
you smashed?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Correct, you smashed? We can't we come on, man, that.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Class We came here.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Any WHOA this is the room on the street, because
you know.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
The room on the street. I got down.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Everybody wanted to respect for and my girl room with
not I wouldn't even you know what I'm saying. But
I'm just saying no, no, no, no, because you know
you know what I'm saying. Just as as gentlemen, we don't.
You know, we don't kiss and tell. You know what
I'm saying, we don't. We don't as as gentlemen. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's just a room on the street.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
There's a lot of people. You said that something. There's
a lot of people who wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
But there's a rumor that you actually would what both
of them? I think.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
I think I think people need to make a noise
for that makes a noise, even if it was.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Just a room.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Room that's not going to you met your wife is back.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
In the day.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Listen, Listen, listen, listen. Let's say because I'm going I'm
going straight take under.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Oh man, you.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Told me you wanted to do this.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
I don't know if you made from that angle scat.
I'm a media guy now, Like it's roses reverse, the
roses are first, you know, Dave, you knowed to hit
me with interviews and guess what I'm hitting a man.
So let's you know, you know, answer what you know
to be about.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Honestly, it's about relationships. It's about relationships with everybody in
this business.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
So who you would say is better tell them? Yeah,
there'll say, so who would you say.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Is better rapping?

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Rapping?

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Whichever way you want to answer it, I'm being honest
with you. We had both of them.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
It's gonna come in time.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
You got to.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
So no, no, no, no, god, you not imagine nothing.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
You play again?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
He trying to hip hop?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
We again?

Speaker 2 (19:52):
You know a lot of people hip hop?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
You want to do?

Speaker 4 (19:56):
That was bullship?

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Play a game.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
If you don't want to answer the question, you're gonna
take a shot.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
All right, all right, but I got.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
A quarter shot? What you mean that's the way you
gotta go. You mean, I'm gonna ask you a certain random.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Questions if you don't want to answer to drink chat. Okay, okay,
b bye? Hold on, no, no, no, no, we have
to compromise that. Wait you don't know. No, let the
shots be pre poored.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Agree on that.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, pre is not gonna let you a shot. We'll
be dancing out this morn that's that's that's a shame.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
You're my friend.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Let me get away a little bit, Let me get
a little bit. So which one is better?

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna tell you
which one is better than they both?

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Incredible answer, great, great ass.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
That's that's how gentlemen answers on.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
A little bit, man, little bit and man maybe Mike,
I'm a private person when it comes to any type
of situation.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Album worked five nights?

Speaker 5 (21:00):
You did?

Speaker 1 (21:02):
In your opinion, she.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Didn't get fine, I thought she got phone half.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
No, I think I think she got she got Okay,
you know what you're with the name of that, because
I don't know, I know.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
My and my am.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
I do you think she should have got five? Drake goud?
You ain't good?

Speaker 4 (21:22):
I'll answering you the question.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
I actually do you think she wish she should know?
I'm a media guy.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Well to ask you why you pointing up on me?
Like you know? Listen, listen, listen, Well, Gil, you're gonna
play this game now, Okay, play this. We heard you
the great fright at one point.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
Yes, you was in love with.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
What the.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Ft we were talking about. I'm going back. I'm going
back to here shout.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I want to see if you're gonna take the shot
and that and I'm moving on from me. I want
to see if you take the shot. Come on, I'm
gonna see if you take the shot on that first involved.
First of all, this about relationships is about.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
This and we don't know what it's about. I watch
your podcast.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
None of its none of this.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Fu all do respell? Got the revitation?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
You've got you I love and I'm gonna drink to that.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
If I love you or you know you drinking out there.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Drink you take the whole shot.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
I want to see it.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Take the whole shot. It's going down. It's going down.
So you was high?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Fine, I love it. You got yo got you got
a good hit list, man, come over here, come over here.
When you're hit listen, you got a brag like it's
been a pad.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
This is guests in the past.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Let's come on, let's thank you for getting a good sport.
You know, baby, were looking at me like.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
We we we we premeditated this. I'm sorry, but listen,
so let's get back to that. Let's get back to
right now.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
We have the number one podcast right now, number one
enemy his name, gonna call him the enemy. But you
don't want Torect's loud to go somewhere, so listen.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
You want to still shook up from the last secondly up.
It's all rumors. It's all rumors.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
This is all rumors. To day the drink chance none
of the stories are actual facts. I'm nice, We're actually.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
The hard question or no, no, let's let's keep it back.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
I saw this one of our direct competition people is
a guy named Elliott Wilson. That was our son.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Was employed by you?

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Our son?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Where did he work for you?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
All?

Speaker 2 (24:11):
That? That was our son? Okay, you want to think
that was our fucking son.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I don't want to tell you. Let's go, let's go exactly. Okay,
So what happened?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Let's where he was the music editor. He was the
music editor. What do we adopt him?

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Like?

Speaker 2 (24:27):
So what ya say?

Speaker 4 (24:29):
What do we adopt him?

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Did you say? The people who pay so give?

Speaker 4 (24:40):
He was a cool guy.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
So he was a cool guy. Put in his face.
No no, no, no, no no no no no no no.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
This was after that was way after.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
David was one years. He was an assistant assistant music
This is probably like ninety seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
He used to get the.

Speaker 7 (25:02):
Phillies in the Dutch nat. After I remembered to get
our lunch. The lunch then let me probably like some
some wings and some ship whatever.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
But he used to get the lunch. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
I mean like he was like what it was lunch me.
I mean he was you know, he was.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
He was there for six years, six years about four So.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
You guys put him on gloomed him.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
You told him everything.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
He knows everything he's seen at the source. He brought
over there to excess, which, by the way, parents just
went under Harris Publications. So let me tell you why,
because remember it was always them against us, and now
since we're Hip Hop Weekly, we actually outlasted Harris Publication.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
So we're gonna make annoy. That's big because after we
lost the sauce, they thought it was over for us.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
You feel me.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
We was banished into a question and we're gonna get
back to Elliott. It's great for us. But the new sauce.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Have you lever bought a new sauce and just looked
through it? Not? You know like this recently, I would
never I would never buy you.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
We would never buy it because it was once your company.
Or you would never buy it because their content.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Is just not both up the day, both check check.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
You know what I'm saying. It ain't not shopping eighteen years.
A lot of things went through us with that, a
lot of good, bad, and ugly.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Soul and that was cool with Londale Manilan.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Right with everybody.

Speaker 8 (26:43):
Everybody, Yeah, lawyer, lawyer, anybody was that lawyer back then
everybody was man with so many know, we worked with
so many motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
It was creat Are you trying to.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Say something like under the table, like he was your lawyer,
so he knew something? All?

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Oh god, No, he just jumped in on some He
just wanted to be us.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
You see a lot of these motherfuckers thought that once, once.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
They noticed the truth, it's the truth. It's the truth.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Like when Black Enterprise took the magazine look at it,
look at look. Let me tell y'all secret, right, Me
and Dave went to Bob Johnson right right before.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Johnson views a dumb that's the guy who used to
own be.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Own BT before he sold BT for three billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
This makes annoys to him selling beats.

Speaker 9 (27:28):
Goddamne even if you're going to a foul story sold
for three I think he.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Used to own Shott who want to sold the hornets
to Jordan Panthers. Jordan, you know what I'm saying. So
some long story showed you know, we you know we
we we was in the whole thirty million, like with
a bank loan, so you know, Bob.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Which means you had to at least make sixty seventy million.
Bob wanted, Bob, this makes a noise for y'all niggas
killing the game. Come on, it was those days was crazy,
so y'all was in the hole. And he kind of
he wanted to buy the magazine straight up.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
So we I flew his office me and Day, and
it was at this time with no, this is Bob Johnson.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Bob Johnson, okay, so you know he he we wanted, we.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Wanted, We wanted eighty million for it. We went and
asking for eighty million, and he was. He came out
and he came back. He said, well, I'll write you
a fifty five million dollars check today. And we was
looking back, you know, saying, you said, you know, Bob,
give us some many We went in the room, Me
and Day. It was just us too, and we figured
after like paying off the bank loan and taxes and
everything else, who would end up with a few million

(28:41):
dollars a piece. The whole thing about the source was,
and I say that to say this, the whole thing
about the source was that how dysfunctional.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
This how as dysfunctional?

Speaker 4 (28:53):
How you said, I always get dysfunctional, as it may
have seen the relationship between me and Dave and how
it was was kind of made the source what it was,
Dave being from college, being from the streets. It just
came from two perspectives. And that's how we ran the magazine,
you know what I'm saying, And like, you know, we
didn't want to lose the source and then be like, okay,
we're not still runners of it, because we know how

(29:14):
it's almost like a call.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
That offer was like gage fifty five, but y'all not.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Y'all are gone. Y'all gone, ya, we just can't yet.
How about you, Daved?

Speaker 1 (29:24):
You didn't like that as well?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Not? Do you know? We wanted to stay involved because
we said bigger things.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
You know, wow, especially with the social awards we did,
the source of our licensed TV. I mean, we was
doing major things. But the problem was me and Dave
wasn't with everybody like in New York and that and
that and that, like up there, it's like a club
of dudes that have been in and out, you know
that normal you know what I'm saying. In those offices
up in New York in the industry, it's the same
people that just revolved from office to office to office

(29:51):
because they all feel comfortable with each other. And God
bless them because I've dealt with a lot of them.
I've made a lot of money with them, So I
have none bad to say about anythings. I just don't
think that me and Dave was a part of that,
you know what I'm saying. And by that meeting, you know,
we had our own independent views. We didn't have to
be politically correct. We didn't have to kiss no ass
because it stopped up here. We didn't have to answer

(30:11):
to nobody, and.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
You guys were like the first like major media company
to invest in online media. I remember that early.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's how we lost though.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Wow, that's ultimately how we lost.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
That's how we wanted. I thought, I thought that was great.
Now that was that was what.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
The scene tell them that. That was me just investing early.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
When when the dot com came out, when it was
all going crazy with that, that's when I went. I
bet the magazine on the internet, and when I borrowed
ten fifteen million dollars and started This was.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Like six seven years before the world sounce it was gone.
Like you know what I'm saying, it was just too
early the bang. It's just nobody understood that, right, we
was way behe time is everything.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
But Dave, it got to feel crazy now for you
to know that you had the vision for what because
while you invest all that money, you actually sink where
it's gonna be now, So it gotta feel crazy that
maybe it didn't work, but your idea was one correct,
you know that, right?

Speaker 4 (31:10):
I mean, well, but that's real though it was him.
Steve Style was young and they invested up. He asked me,
and I was like, I don't know. I don't know
nothing about that ship. I don't know nothing about computers,
none of that funk all that, and just I don't
know what the fuck it is.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Steve Stolt, I mean, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Steve is like somebody that we've always had that love
hate thing with. You know, we've got money with him too,
we broke bread with him. But then Steve has another
side of him that is about that again, like that crew.
You know, I call it that crew.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
I mean, like you know, I'm just saying, like you know,
at the end of the day the other side, you
know what I mean, Like there's there's there's a few sides,
you know what I'm saying, And that's what I say.
I just think that me and Dave was too a
little bit rough under the edges for him. We wasn't
we wasn't status quo and the source was getting money
like you wanted to do.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
Steve to the whole advertising business, Peter Arnell, that was
his first partner in the advertising business. Whenever you know,
when I met Steve, he was, you know, working with
Kid and Play, like carrying records.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
You see in this industry a lot of people we
don't get off props when we do the right thing.
So we're gonna get to the crop bottle of the story.
So you're the guy who introduced him to the advertisement
firm that he started working with and they started doing
the rebod thing and.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
All absolutely absolutely he got. He was working up at
RCA Records. He was an A and R up there
for a little while. Gave a deal. He used to
give me budgets for videos.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
You know what I'm saying. I always getting money here,
like budgets to do videos. Take these fifteen stacks, I
go do the video for like five stacks. You know
what I'm saying. Put ten You know what I'm saying.
I remember one time some shit have I got locked
up and I had I had spent all the money.
He came to the boss and he's like, yo, and
it was for this white artist named Based Blackstart of Connecticut.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
You remember Met Frien.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Yeah, Yo, they gave me fifteen.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
That's real bass blast.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
This was before this was like one of the first
he could.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Steve been trying to do this white rapper thing for
You know, Steve had visions of this, of a white
crossover wrapper. He was the first one to really have
visions of this. You know what I'm saying. I'm sure
the people had it in their mind, of course when
Vanilla Ice came up, But I'm saying as far as Steve,
he he was seeing it from a marketing standpoint of
look these kids out here, these white kids. We can

(33:49):
give him someone of their own. And I always felt like, no,
that's the opposite of what hip hop is. So the
white kids are coming to the hoods because they love
the music. It has nothing to do with the race.
You can't make it race because when you make it race.
That's when it gets a.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Screwed up so interesting thing. We have min Blee on
here recently, right, and men Blee said he was shouting
spoke about the Rockefeller break up, right and all like
all the employees of how like every successful team now
has a Rockefeller employee. That's that's that's that's a part
of their team. Whoever it be, do you you guys

(34:25):
got to feel the same way, like, I mean, how
many people came from the song? Miss? What did miss?

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Like? Who's guy seeing that?

Speaker 4 (34:36):
It's like this, we can you know that what you have?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
You have a guy work the other dude, Okay, it's
not a toy race.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Mike Mike Elliott who I'm directed on Loving Basketball and.

Speaker 10 (34:51):
Elliot Mike Elliott, Wilson, Ellie Wilson, Mike elliotts Mike Elliott
directed record Loving Basketball and a few of the.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Movies right because I'm so fucked up? He was, Yeah,
movie you feel me so so little. It's like a
lot of people came.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Through the office.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
A lot of people came through the sauces.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
We discovered him Tyson Beta discovered the sauce.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
The Boon Docks.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
He was the first remember that yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Happened.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
Well he actually he was doing it in the University
of Maryland newspaper. When I went home to d C,
I had to I think my mom gave me the newspaper.
I seen the comic in there boone Docks just dope.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
I remember the first time the sauce only cartoon shipping,
so like in the newspaper. Yeah, think about think about
all the graffiti the Sauce introduced. You know what I'm saying, motherfuckers.
Like honestly, niggas wasn't like.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
You know what the crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
To all my friends. I was like, yo, you know
I got busy on day Maze, Like people were sitting
there like you know how much I used to read
the bag and like they used to every part of that,
Like when a person discovered that in jail, the source magazine.
I got to command you guys, because there's never been
a magazine that's been that credible.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
People don't listen to people right now, like if a.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Person can do another like there's plenty of magazine to
try to bite your migrating system.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
It never worked. Man, How proud are y'all of that?
You know what I mean? I mean, Dave can feel that,
you know, like I can feel that with you, Dave.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
God were there first, you know, and we did it
the right way, you know what I mean. You know
we kept it, kept it street, kept it real, kept
it hip hop, you.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
And it was it was a beautiful thing and we
were We didn't answer nobody. We owned and controlled our
own thing. We wasn't you know, we was out of
all the entrepreneurs. You go back and look at the
history Russell Simmons on, everybody down. They all had major
corporation partners back in them.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
You know, ours was completely completely independently. It wasn't until
the dot com.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
That's when you know, I lost control of it because
I bet everything on the dot com.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
And that's what you were, right, You.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Were just like ahead of his time.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
It was a how can you that's crazy that you
got to be punished and then imagine that the internet
is killing print magazine. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
He knew it though he seen it. He knew it,
like I know, he's a genie. Seen it. Next time
he says something, you got to just listen.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Just give him two years on it.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I means, it happens.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
But you know, but you can't.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
You can't worry about that ship. Like, let's get to
the source.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
You gotta keep going.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
You know what I'm saying to the source of wars,
whose idea was it? And why did everybody get shot.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Or rock there?

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Nobody ever performance at the couple of net Look at
that later, brother, I never wanted to saw awad, but listen,
at this time when you were hot, you had to
be at the sort how did your guys.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Come up with that idea?

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Like how does the magazine company figure will do the magazine?

Speaker 5 (38:14):
I mean the whole fun Yeah, the whole there was
was in the whole thing with the Source was to
be a voice for the culture. I mean, so as
we're being a voice for the culture, we're seeing that
hip hop isn't being recognized. In fact, it's being you know,
disrespected at award shows, the Grammys, things like that that
had hip hop categories in the late nineteen eighties. Everything

(38:38):
they were doing was just you know, yeah, disrespectful. So
you know, it was natural for us to want to
come up with a you know, a forum to be
able to recognize you know, the real stuff that was
going on.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
So that was my that was whole, my whole idea.
So the first thing was to bring it to MTV
and your MTV raps.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
We did it as a day on your own TV
raps where we gave out the Source Awards.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
That's how it started.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
That was the first, the very first one, nineteen ninety
one with their lover and Doctor Dre.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
You guys gotta stop moving back there. Okay, listen, listen,
you guys are fucking up this ship. You gotta stop moving. Please,
you're moving and storing. Smack the please and come over here,
man bear, So listen, this is what I want to
ask that Shug Night Day.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
That wasn't the first, so that what was that the
second or third? Remember Bernie Max hosted the first one.
Imagine that all right, p Bernie Mac. Yeah, when Bernie
Mac holds up first.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Second, it was at the Paramount then in New York,
New York, the first.

Speaker 11 (39:40):
The first was in New York, right, Okay, So how
did that moment when the whole Tank clan came out
o dB, like like we got videotapes and all these
ships right there.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
I had like we had to do a Best of
the Source Awards and I had to edit at all them,
so you know, we had to combine all this ship
and man, just sitting there editing and seeing all these
groups the biggest thing with me.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Because I come from grouping hip hop and regardless of anything,
I love hip hop.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Like I'm honestly like, for real, I.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Was in djeh Rock Shocking ray Dog.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
That was your name, Rock Shocking ray Dog.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
That's what you go back to, that name.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
So so yeah, I know for Rell was like, you
know what I'm saying honestly like that, that's the essence
of hip hop. You know what I'm saying, DJ DJ
spending for the motherfuckers, you know, spending.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
But this sousal Wards where Sug Knight, he was in
New York City? Did you did you know that was
probably the like the minute where the East coast West
coast beef not not not saying it sparked, but that
was the time it came on national front Like we
had always heard that, you know, there was this been
some beef brewing, But when Shug.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Came there, it was like it was timing.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
That was just timing.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
But did you guys, was you guys aware of that?
But it was timing. It was aware he was going
to say.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
No, no, no, no, no no, it was gonna be tension.

Speaker 7 (41:03):
We were aware something could have popped off because you
had heard the beaf or whatever.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Yeah, and we didn't have to what was crazy about
that particular one like we've had like the later ones,
we've had more time of security a lot of.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Times with the Nation of Islam. You know what I'm saying,
shouts the Nation of Islam.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
You know are company, You've always dealt with security, They've
always handled it. But back then we really didn't have
a lot of security at that one. So something was
gonna jump off when all that ship was saying, when
Sugar saying all that and everything, that would have been the.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
One to pop off because there wasn't a.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Gang of security yet now was.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
We were just lucky note happened?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
You know, crazy uh came on.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
That was the first one that was that he did
out on Bell just snacked.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
So so what happened so so so so so tribes
getting the war, you know what I'm saying, Will while
he's getting the war, Pocket is already setting up wherever
the sound man is bringing him.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
That that was done.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
We knew nothing about this guy, nothing about this nigga.
So the man went to the sound man, told the nigga,
Y know, you're gonna you're gonna put this in there
the out on bell song that da man or whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
So like they had him off.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Nobody knew that.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
They just went and just had him hostage.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Yeah, they came back about twelve thirteen fourteen date, A
couple of niggas went right to the sound man. We
never knew this. This is you know what I'm saying.
I seen big sight and later on he told me
the whole ship. So but I from from my viewpoint,
went out there. I just remember him going up there
and then he grabbed because I was like kind of backstage,
and I remember I was back there with total and
then he just went up there and just you know,

(42:35):
Q Tip was saying the speech and just grabbed the ship.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Sit yo, throw that ship out on bail, and all
the niggas started.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
And the music and my music came on.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
He ripped that ship, and I remember backstage, I remember
what the niggas came back, one of them, at least
that slightly. The niggas was like one of the niggas
was crying, like really upset, like fucked U, it's not
God rest the dead five the other one fight there
was two more got your rob the other one.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
He was just upset, kicking over ship.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Just mad.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
They was going to perform and it was presenting. This
was that big award, you know, second the award.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
It just got it.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
He just went to see how let me get.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
That, you know, you know, as wild as the Saucer
Wards was, and as wild.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
As audience though at that first yeah was when that happened.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Let's make some noise, big audiences.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Wild as the Sace Awards was, and as and as monumental,
there has never been somebody on that aspect. Nobody has
ever been able to hip duplicate no the Sauce Awards
in a hip hop version. I've never seen an award show.
I don't give a what happened in backstage. You guys

(43:57):
held it together like in an award because it was
it was it was.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
It was amount of respect for the magazine. They really
for the relation. Like I told you, the relationships like
it's hard giving, you know, dealing with artists and when
they get mics and when they you know what I'm saying,
because again I would have none to do with it
and motherfuckers could be mad at me because they didn't.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
You know, I'm sorry. So anyways, you just made great shows.
I mean, but I'm gonna be honest. You guys are
my friends. You guys are my brothers. You got my family.
But I'm not saying that because of this. I sit
back and I watch award shows and just so happens.
There's never been award show presented as dope.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
As the source awards.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Like I mean, I mean, I remember, I'm just keeping
it honest with you, like like like how do you
feel about that? Like do you think it could ever
be done? Or do you think that you guys do awards.
You have the blueprint, We had the blueprint, You still
got the blueprint.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
I'm saying as far as like we started the blueprint
all right, as far as giving great shows for artists
that probably wouldn't get the same type of coverage and
other award shows. Once Dave cleared it with the with
the networks to get on because remember it was on
B T U, p N thirty three. I mean, Dave
got it all over the place on major networks, on
cable networks, the social words for like, remember this was

(45:19):
just a TV show, right all that? Two of them,
two different and so sound labl Two times on Saturday,
Saturday afternoon, twelve o'clock, we gave ray j his first
TV show, Raiji was the first hopest first of all
TV was us shouts ray J it first.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
So what do you guys think of these award shows now? Like,
do you think these guys should hire you, like as
a consultant at least? Don't line?

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Keep it, keep it one thousand.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
You're gonna try to get that era either you can
you can't.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
No, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
The problem is motherfuckers is scared to fuck with the
real ship. That's that always been the problem. It's always
the inability if we can't control certain motherfuckers and their cruise,
because it ain't easy, you know what I'm saying. But
it's like, but there's a way that you deal with motherfuckers.
We all know that, we all come from the street.
We all know how to deal with everybody, you know
what I'm saying. But but, but but there's other people

(46:25):
who can't deal like that.

Speaker 10 (46:26):
They don't have that respect, they don't have that they
I think they don't even give it a chance.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
You know what I'm saying, They already assume it's going
to be some crazy shit, not knowing this is going
to be.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
There, they would they wouldn't even try.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Right. We never made a commercialing like political.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
We just put the hottest street niggas on, like didn't
give a fuck what it was, all over the place.
And like when you when you go back and look
at them shows, them shows that go down history.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
It's like what.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
American Bandstand is going to be for rock because those
shows right there, all the Source Awards. It will never
be like that again, not like that. Not only that though,
but the most iconic groups were together. You know what
I'm saying, You a compone?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
How about how about pun did you ever? He said?

Speaker 1 (47:12):
And jerked me like the So that was crazy?

Speaker 2 (47:15):
What did you think about that? That was jerked me
to the same.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Do you think you know who's you up against?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
The shock one man.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Look at me and.

Speaker 7 (47:30):
I think this is the situation, right, this gonna beat
me and big shout shot and shout that whole career.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
You listen, at the end of the day, it was myself.
I'm not hating, but I'm bad of course because you're
I understand that would be I probably be Patty too.
But who else was up? You sid who else? I
just don't even being us, I don't remember. It was
like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
That's what made this what's great was that we could
so the Chakras the definitely international and at that time,
I won't I won't hate, but you know I got love.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
I love him the Shock but show hell, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 12 (48:15):
Get what was in front of me, dazz because I
think grew up dropped the album. I think Dad's anchor
up was there that day. We all looked at each
other like, yo, what's up?

Speaker 2 (48:25):
What up up? Like one of us is going up
to the shocks all.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Way another side that thing jumped up.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I was like, I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Oh no, the silk and yeah, and then the pun
made that.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Rung like did you what the pun said when he
said he said? So no, no, no, what the punt said?
When we y'all lost?

Speaker 4 (48:47):
What do you say?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
None of us said not to each other. We were
just like this.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
You know, they paid, you know, listen, the limit is
rich like I've never I still haven't got over it,
but yeah I want.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
But that's you know, why I think that you guys
were so great.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
You guys were doing It's just like, you know, us
doing this episode sometimes we might not know how great
it is, but.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
There's so many people that are young people.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Like when we got our viewers back and when you know,
people say, you know, we were doing like four hundred thousand,
and we were expecting people to say that. The viewers
they saying sixteen to twenty four, which lets people know
that if people want to go back and research these things.

Speaker 2 (49:28):

Speaker 1 (49:28):
I'm saying, So yo, you guys doing the most legendary awards.
You guys had the most legendary magazine. Now you guys
got Hip Hop Weekly, Like how did that come about?
Because it's like, what is that? Like, I don't want
to say gossip because that like downplays it or is it?

Speaker 13 (49:44):
I mean, well, you know, after being gueted by the Feds,
going banquet, losing everything, motherfucker had to start thinking about
the future and what else that he knows and his
expertise that we knew that we was magazine man.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
We knew that if we still funk with each other,
we had a chance. We still had the same connection
day still had the same distribution.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
So was there ever a time when you guys had
that the moment I see, you're just born up the fast.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
But like when you guys said, man, maybe we should
separate to be so for sexual harassment, I mean you
get into we were supposed to talk about it, all right? No, No,
seven years, seven years. It was some crazy that it
was crazy.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
We sat there in the federal building, they talking about
but this is a nigga's nuts in the federal court
down there.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Like that's crazy. That was crazy, right, crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
So.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Hold on.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Nuts never gotttle bit. But so we can't talk about
the sexual wressle I.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Mean, you know you know that like with the source,
Like it was my decision to give Kim to be
the first women editor and chieved for the magazine's mind
and she had been working in five years. I kind
of like looked beside the woman man thing and just
seeing that she was qualified. She was she was a
hell of a writer. Against popular demand, like this was

(51:14):
like an unpopular choice for me to do this. I
was looking over people and so I did it, you
know what I'm saying. And man, we went on and
we had who.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Pulled me that drink. There's no more? Was it dying
of the most legendary guest? That was no?

Speaker 4 (51:33):
No, first you know no, So I mean basically it
was just a situation where I've never seen anything like it,
you know. But what I noticed in business, like I've
learned being a part of business, because again I was,
I was a street nigga, you know what I'm saying,
selling drugs, and you know, I learned business and magazine
through day.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Right, they've been filming food show for three days. No
but no, but no, but but every day sun.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
But it was like but it was like a long
time beforeve and money from the sauce when the sauce
was made from Yeah, it was yeah, it's like so
I heard.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
The sauce actually started from like a panther a pamphlet, right, Yeah,
let to take a newsletter to a thirty million company.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Be it's almost anredion dollars.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Makes a noise million everybody. I know how niggas work
one hundred million?

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Man, come on, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
So that's crazy man.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
And now.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
And now, uh, so many people came from there. There
are people that.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Because I heard they was what you want to talk
about that directly Biggie common yo, Mysie height and then
they was in unsign height. Who else you said? Mob
deep in them? Bas was in the side, Biggie was
in unsigned. Now what.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Here you guys go? You guys finally make it. You
got a magazine that's popping.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Why did you even think about putting on the guys
that nobody cared about? Like when I was in the
outside of h nobody cared about me. But yet and
still you guys had the foresight to see that and
put that on.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Whose idea was that, Maddie c Maddie part that, Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
It wasn't Maddie see the guy who helped discover Biggie
as well?

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Yea later on, but the original was like Maddie, I
mean honestly, Like to be honest, everybody that contributed to
the surce is a part of the success of the sauce.
Throughout all the chaos and everything, you can't take away
one's work, you know what I'm saying, one's body of work.
And there was a lot of them, and it was
it was from young people who really lived and truly

(53:58):
what they thought and understand cared about hip hop. I
just think that in my opinion, Like, you know, as
the culture grew and it kind of like it was
that one at one point, then all of a sudden,
it started kind of branching off in its own form
in different places. That's when it was harder to keep
things together.

Speaker 8 (54:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Day the Kids said something on our podcast.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
He said, hip hop is the only john world music
that has a south version, that has an East coast
version or right, a west coast right, So we did that,
there's no west, but niggas did that.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah, but what do you think that started.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Because of barrels?

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Like you know what I'm saying from ball right.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
But then it's funny because you can say that, like
if you in New York, you could be like, yeah,
we I'm from Queensbridge, I'm from left right. But then
if you go out of town, nigga from New York, well,
I'm from motherfucking so I'm from LA.

Speaker 14 (54:53):
So it turns from street to city to you know,
if you go out the country to go from the
United States, you know what I'm so like, it's just
really it's it's you trying to it's us trying to
wrap something so hard that we're gonna give our lives
for it right.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Sometimes it don't be the right thing. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
You know, so you got stuff together? Man, you guys
have beat with Doctor dre Na No no, no, no, no,
not like that. Let me clear that up, win again.
Let me clear that up. Me clear that up. Clear
it up. Let me clear that up.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Within the whole, within the whole Eminem thing. Doctor, Let's
just get it. Doctor Dre is probably one of my heroes,
like motivators, legends, I mean, influences everything to do with
hip hop, a lot of it, you know what I'm saying.
Other than Okay, New York is where I got my
hip hop from, but Doctor Dre had so much influence
from his production and just from the groups that he produced,

(55:47):
and me with my love of West Coast hip hop,
you know what I'm saying, because I loved it all.
It was the situation. Yeah, there was never beef with him,
and it necessarily wasn't a beef with Eminem.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Do you ever like just regret it, just like for what?
For what? It hasn't really changed my life, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't look back I.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
Mean, I know, maybe in a way people could look
at it as it has, but it really hasn't. Like
I'm a hustling nigga that so cracked and drugs from
a corner and came from the projects.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
So anything better than that is alright with me. You
know what I'm saying. I say that I'm not no nigga.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
That's like I've had millions, I've had nothing and everything between.
I'm still seeing or been the same nigga.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
That makes Loyd.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
So back in the days, you guys like if you
was against.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
The sauce, it was against the sauce.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
But you guys like you were the first people who
to stand up against corporations. We heard rumors of Jimmy
Ivian off of you guys deals.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
I mean, that was the whole eminemb that that was
the situation. Really, the whole thing with that was like
I just felt like with MTV cross and.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
The source of the death jam, right, the sauce you
guys like for y'all, then you have the source like
compilation and it came out on that.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
Like that's the first time I ever seen a four
and a half million dollar.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Check, Like, let's make some noise for that half somebody
walk up the apisphere.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Of the now compilations.

Speaker 11 (57:29):
And a half.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I negotiated compilation. I negotiated that.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Okay, did you pay the artists on I negotiaate no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just gotta say, I'm sure they.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Do one of those.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
I'm saying, you got you guys. I don't know why
you guys get a bad rap?

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Why is it?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
You know what it is before?

Speaker 1 (57:46):
I mean, the thing is, you guys were so powerful
that it was easier to say you guys are bad
guys than it is for people to try to get
to know you.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
And what I mean by that is if a person
know that that ship is wack, or they know.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
That they can't get at you, it's easier for them
to say, manham source niggas is whatever whatever. But the
minute you get in front you guys, you guys are
hip hop. A story is you guys are great people. Like,
why did you think you guys ever got the bad rap?

Speaker 2 (58:13):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Because we wasn't like again, we wasn't. We wasn't just
buying down you know, he wasn't going along with conform Yeah,
conforming conform I don't know that word. It wasn't going
along with and with the go along. It was like
the rebels and you know, with me, it's looking like
you know, because that's how the fans came in. They
thought I was straight. The guy got hit with all

(58:37):
kinds of money launder and extortion, and they thought that
I was the big drug deal of funding. And the
problem with that was the same thing with murder Inca,
is that I don't think the people really understood how
many millions of dollars legally we were bringing in the
See they're thinking or murdering y'alls thirty million. Yeah, So

(59:01):
so they just they just underestimated how much legal money
it was. They thought it had to be some big
unlegal operation because of all this money.

Speaker 13 (59:10):
But that's what it was, because they was looking at
the tax situation after the after.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
The after the criminal broke down, I had dealt the taxes.
I took it to trial and ended up they found
me not guilty. I was one of the few to
be found out guilty. Of course I had to pay
the still pay the fine, yea like one of the
fu to be a federal tax took it to the trial,
to the trial.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
And you're still on your ground and you go to
trial right now. Yeah, they had so.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Look so they had accountant wired up and ship you
wir up. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That worked
at that, Davey, wait up, hold.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
On, that's what we wanted that they hired account Dave
hired the account, but he did. They approached three Dunkin
Donuts over the George Washington.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Bridge defens approasted account that you have.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Asked him high accounted, you know, I was Dunky Donuts
that first one on on on Roote four, the first
Dunkin Donuts.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
And if he went in there, they sat with him
and they said, and he he's he he said.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
The reason he did it because he thought it would
be excited to do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
What he walked for six months and ship wait wait
tell men say what's he doing coming around?

Speaker 8 (01:00:34):
You like just.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Like conversation talking about conversations. And I'd be like, yo,
check this out. I'd be like, my man, I don't
even know you, Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
We talked patriots and jets, the patriots and Jets. Other
than that, I don't know you, So I don't talk
to you about nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
But you knew he was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I don't know nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Just I just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I just don't even be having these conversations with motherfuckers.
We ain't talking sports or some other ship. Motherfuck I'm
not sitting talking about taxes and all this other What
are you talking about? Man? That's what the fuck you
hided for. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, go talk today.
He hides you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I don't know you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
You know what I'm saying. And that's how it went
until the nigga came when when I was on trial,
he came in. He couldn't even look at me. I'm
looking at this nigga like and it was always like,
it was always cool. I never did nothing to this
motherf I holly know him. How long was you working with?

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Worked there? Good five six years life.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
He is making like one hundred and fifty thousand years wire.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
I was about to say, make some noise for him.
We gotta we got we gotta do something that's like
the opposite of making.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Yeah, that was See a lot of people don't understand, right,
look at I used to give people in the sauce
like real rail no no, no fuck five MIC's Reil
Diamond sauce change for the girls and for the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Guys that drilled diamond and ice from Jacob.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
When we spent some money with Jacob, it wasn't ridiculous, man,
Like we took care of about people.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
We like, we took care. This was before all the
fakedam this is the real There wasn't for that, you
know what I'm saying, any ice, This is the real ship.
We were spending money taking care of niggas and like,
I don't know what it was, man, I just it
was always an uphill climb for motherfuckers to really try to,
you know, street niggas fuck with us. But it was
like the industry motherfuckers wasn't too many fuckers.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
I knew you for so long. We lived in the
same building, and I've never heard the story of a niggah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Yeah, this is my first time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
I'm learning a lot, crazy, I'm learning a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
You gotta rush.

Speaker 15 (01:02:36):
I just know one thing, though, is that the first
time I ever heard your neighbors in Carlito's Ways article
called you the way, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
What you call it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
I can't call them that job straight out of jail,
and the first time.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
I asked Carlo about Zeno soon as he got out
of jail. Yeah, hire him because we need niggas like
that out of like hire him. I was the one
to do the hip hop behind balls. That was my idea.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
So you high Coloro strip fresh straight remember, yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Right yeah, look at well I don't see I mean
if they still holding grudges this song, Like, come on,
when you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Say holding grudges, are you saying that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Because because you're saying you have arguments, Every relationship has
an argument, whether it's your girl more than arguments.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Yeah, yeah, there was some thumps there a couple of days.
It was a couple of about it. I remember who
was the r c A Records it was, and then
the source guy, the Sauce niggas came up to the meeting.
We had an r c A Records were having a
meeting about our.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Op heard is a press day.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Album Games to Day on our state when when Clue
was the assistant there, okay r c A Records, Okay,
before he was DJ Clue, it was saying he was
just getting you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So they scheduled we didn't know what
they scheduled the interview.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
You know, hey were the shore said they were gonna
come and interview them. And then they came up there
with a subpoena and trying to surf. And when.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I heard something about it, they trying to boycott you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
No, no, this was another time that it was all related.
They came to r c.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
A offices and lied to give upstairs to our to
our press day.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
We have all these pressures people.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
The sauce that you guys are like four of them,
Reggie Dennis, James Bernard is a couple of them. They
came up there and they stood in front of like
it was on this big ass table. Now mind you,
we were happy, were with the people. A golf brooks
us up in the building ship like that. They already
heard niggas was wild. They waiting like to throw us
out the building anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Man CBS is ready to do to us. Just stole
on them.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
Next thing, you know, as he went through the glass window,
we got dropped from all the next week.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
This makes a noise, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Keep the gangster. Sorry if you didn't know Drink Cash podcast,
We make noise for the ignorance we love it over here.
If you just to take one parrol in here, you
mad red man, I can tell you really put it
in work this week with me, because Yo, listen, I'm
mad black Rock. The case you didn't know I'm Black Ruck.

(01:05:26):
I was from The Fool Show man. It was a
part of our Food show. You the first person one
of the Food Show and the podcast in the same day.
This is what we're planning on doing with the podcast,
planning on traveling with the Fool Show, getting people on
the Food Show.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
And then we had Scarface. Then today.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
That's my god man, he went to the hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Yall fucked them up as killing Scarface to that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Contract.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
If you eat some fun up ship that know, we
give you no nigga. I'm gonna be honest. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
It is crazy. He's alway's been crazy, but like in
a genius crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
He walked over his were like this. I was like, Oh,
I thought, that's like, how do you swell up? No,
it's just swallowup. If you can't breathe, it'll block up
you too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
You're so big up to facemall. That's my brother, man.
Thank you for coming to the full show. You know
what I mean, we're trying to get you on the
podcast tomorrow because you got to make it up to
me and my brother. But hang, Hank, but listen, talk
to me. Do you think the sauce of feeling like
the sauce can ever be recreated? Like something like it,
like souls is natural and raw and you know, discovering

(01:06:41):
new talent, because I would say that it would be
this podcast, but then I would be lying because we're
not discovering new talent. We want to speak to legends
and people got these nineties stories, So it can any
form of shape or fashion. Can the sauce ever be
created where people like if listen in case you guys,
did you know, well it was said in the source

(01:07:03):
it was the word of God, Like nobody can dispute it.
If CNN got four mics, that's it, nobody disputes it.
Can any format could ever recreate that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
I'm glad you time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
I don't think so you think that can happen.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
It's possible only because like there's really nothing out there
right now that's you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Has like a great voice for the culture. There's nothing
really there, you know, there's world star.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Webs unorganized a digital format. It has to be everything
that's a combination of digital, TV P. It has to
be a combination of everything and really multimedia to really
get across. But but like with that has to come
trust then who's doing it. You see, a lot of
these things that you're talking about all becomes the trust
and the comfortableness of the person with the people who

(01:08:06):
are doing it, how much experience they have, how much
credibility they have, and and and and and and how
and how many people they can cross over because it's
so it's so many different areas of hip.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Hop and now, man, it's not like unified like so
not only it's territorialized, but it's also sectioned off within
the territory. So you know what I mean, it's just
it's just a matter of how you try to come
and do it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
I mean, you know, I feel like me and David
put in enough work that you know, like, well, you know,
we're in talks right now for hip Hop with your
TV show, I think you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
No, no, no, no, not that because it's not about
necessarily that, but we want to do it more like
a magazine show, like how we did before The Source
magazine where entertainment tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
You know what I'm saying, you actually have to get
these guys and signed off because TMZ don't we have
to get these guys?

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Well no, we we We could actually do that too,
like if we go on location somewhere, but usually it's
just blurbs of you know, like yeah, like you know
what I'm saying, you would get but all them signing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Off because I seen you guys were kind of early
on that, like doing the first time I ever heard
first Ribby mars was about to be released from prison.
I've seen it on Hip Hop Weekly. Like your camera
guy was out there. He was like like like like
everybody else said Rebby Marle was about to be released.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
I didn't believe it. I look at you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):

Speaker 15 (01:09:25):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
I was on the road somewhere and I looked at
hip Hop Weeklies and every time hip Hop Weekly was on,
point was posted something. Everything that y'all posted was one accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Other reps.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
We're going to have that on TV.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
See that should be on just like how CNN got it.
But you know what I'm saying, that's that's what we're
trying to do. And like I said, look, love us,
hate us or anything between. You can't take away our
experience in this game. I mean, we've lived through all
these decades of hip hop and it's changed dramatically and
we're still here, you know, and you know that ain't bragging.
That's just a testament to just try to be a

(01:09:59):
part of the culture and standing the culture, you know
what I'm saying. You know, So like no matter what,
you know what I'm saying, like we we we think
that if we can get when we get hip hop
weekly on TV and get the show, So that's when that's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Going to be the beginning of Now you met lions Gay, right,
I met with Lion's Gey.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
Yes, I've been. I've been all through Hollywood with that,
you know what I'm saying, Like shock him a few times.
But you know what it's like, Like we have talked
to some people, like you know what I'm saying, Like
right now, there's a lot of networks that's looking for real,
like with Empire being so big, there's a lot of
networks that's you know what I'm saying, looking at Black
culture like hey, we better fuck with them, you know
what I'm saying, Looking at love and hip hop numbers

(01:10:39):
and those are big numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
No, no, no, that's a question I'm going to ask you, Dave.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
You know he's always been your partner. You guys are friends,
you guys are brothers. But how did you feel the
first time he told you he was going to do
love and hip hop?

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
I mean some ice?

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
How did you feel about that? I mean, I supported it.
We just moved to Atlanta and then and that one
thing that to another, and uh, he told me about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
And because love hip hop was an accident, it was
it wasn't that big when you at an accident?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
I'm saying, like, you know, me and Stevie have been
working around. I've been living I was living down here,
Stevie come fuck with me. Steve was staying like I'll
come up to John.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Yeah, yeah, right, So you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
Know what I'm saying, Like it was, you know I
went up there Atlanta, Alma Dale Listen. I know I'm don't.
You guys had a question.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
You guys had a club.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
The first time I ever got.

Speaker 16 (01:11:38):
Maded club, I got made infamous. Let me tell you
by me and you don't really know each other, but
you and Jo all right, this is the funk. This
is the crazy lived each other. That is the crazy
in the world. Jobbro Yo, you gotta be quiet, man.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Ja ru I moved from Left Rack right to West Orange,
New Jersey. Right Jo Rule also all right, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Rul also moves to West Orange, New Jersey. From there,
Joh moved saddle Brook correct River, I'm sorry, Sada River
live next to you, and then me and you somehow
both moved to Miami and they connected us.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
What I'm saying, we all lived like him and John
stayed around.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Just to break it down for people that didn't understand
that him and John stayed around, lived next door to
each other. Then me and joall live next door to
each other. The me and No we live next so
we all at some point then as we're living next
door each other, we all got kids around the same age,
so they all fucking with each other, and we get close,
you know what I'm saying, and we start dealing with
each other's situations. You know, we coming to each other,

(01:12:58):
because that's really when I was down here, you know
what I'm saying. I mean, really, you know, going through
everything relationship proms, problems with ship, we are just with everything.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
We would we were, we.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Would talk because we really we both came down here
like it's not like we.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Was in the same boat. We want we wanted, we
want to get over right exactly. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
So you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
So we would confide each other in a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
You know about you is when I'm when I'm negative,
you would be positive.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
I'm positive though, and that was that we could up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
They weren't talking, man, Yeah, it's dope, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
But that's how we got to be so cool really
because we all spent time with each other. And then
when you spend time with each other, it's just not
you're gonna tell them, motherfucker what you want to hear.
You're gonna tell him what you think is best for him,
because that's the best type of friend. You know what
I'm saying. You know what I mean, You know, tell
him what they want to hear. You tell him what's
best for you, even if they're gonna get matched. Fucking
we don't talk for a week, two weeks, fucking nigga.

(01:13:57):
I gotta say that because I care about you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
It's the same thing with everybody makes a noise, rabund.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
To take a shot, take a shot of something you
know you're actually hear. I thought she was going to
like make up excuse, I'm just going to act.

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
Like, look, this is on me. That's zeno.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Oh yeah, chase your fucking rabbit. Yeah yeah, chase your
rab yeah, zino drink Yeah, I have been pressed.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
I don't a fucking rabbit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Yeah yeah, chase your rap. I don't drink, but you know,
you know when it has to be done.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Huh. You know you know what I that's your fucking rabbit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Listen, that's almadell Just so you know what's that with that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
No this is playing?

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Oh, it's it is. I thought, oh, I thought that
was Dave's cup. I was like, oh, you're just going hard.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
That's gonna chase drinking up and chase up. I was like,
I'm chasing my rabbit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
That's a nonsense.

Speaker 11 (01:14:56):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
I gave Nae sixty five thousand dollars check.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
The stars, and that never came him out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Oh wait, wait, sixty five sacks for verse that never
can get to this story?

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Right, yo? What kind of art? You ain't even do it?

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
How did this story happen? No, it was just he
was the hottest funk. I wanted the verse from him,
had the money. But now that we was in California
after the Steve was fucking with him, you know what
I'm saying. So probably Steve boy to hook it up.
And then man, he just came up and I never
forget gave it to him. He spent the verse and bounced.
I said, we just say too much to each other.
He just got the sixty five vans and kept moving.
We just never I just never used the verse on nothing.

(01:15:40):
You know what I'm saying. That it's around matter face
on YouTube somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Oh okay, so you did use the word. I put
nothing to put out to get sold en right, just
like I don't know, you're foul, I don't know. You
gotta start looking out for yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Dows verse.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
I don't care if it's from then till now. It's
at least from twenty to sixty bands. It's always worth
that sixty five bands, sixty five? So how hot was
he at that time?

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Oh? He killed the verse?

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
But you know, but but like the Boston niggas, you
know what I mean, Let me ask you all that ship,
your ship, all that product.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Let me ask you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Something like the thing about it if a new artist
came out Now I'm not talking about then. I mean
I'm not talking about now. I'm talking about then, like
if a new what is that noise?

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
What is that keep you hearing? What is somebody clicking something?

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Still?

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
All right, tell them niggas shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Listen, Son is drinking, We drinking ball and then we
go this and winning Wood.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
We going eating Koyo bar or Winwood tavern or when like, let's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Go with drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
You can have a couple of fun. That's an average drink.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Your fuck, he was as man, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Now listen. Yeah, you know you're my friend. We're clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
I come to your crib one day, living a diplomat,
easiest creb I one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Give me your rolls number, give me right now. I'm
right in.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
We're hanging out with barbecuing. You're the first person to
bring pork in the house.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Yeah, I brought a big park shoulder.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
I didn't even know that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Shoulder with Atlanta orange and you based it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:33):
I thought he was playing was bringing a pork shower.
All I forgot he's running on like it was like,
you know, he wanted me to keep in the living room.
He didn't want to keep.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
He was like the smells the right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Let's get.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
What what happened that day? Like that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
You're into the polk shoulder. No, I mean you know
what I'm saying, like, no, I'm sure we got some
fellows in there fucking port.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
But you be on and off.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
You be on and off. I remember, like for you
is in your blood? You put them for a year. Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Yeah, he was like you like, I ain't park no more.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
It wasn't I in beef. Neither pok is the food
of the gods.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Talk about it, man, let me tell you about.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Listen to this show. Take every piece of port and
make that ship taste good man.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
This is how you know, like I know that rand
Yaka and Dave Mays is the blackest Jewish people we know.
Neither want of no celebrated passed over yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
That makes no noise, for that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Was the week before no we went to we went
to that I did.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
He was he was Paris.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Wait wait didn't we go to the Let me tell
how power?

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Listen? Listen, let me tell how powerful Jewish people is
we went to the W Hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Jewish people makes everybody man usually be around us. Mom,
you got to keep a Jewish guy around. He's been around.
That's a rule. Got keep it Jewish die right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
But let me just tell you how crazy it was.
We went to the W Hotel, were filming the food show.
Went to the W Hotel for saying I can't film
my neckls hurt. So we went to the W Hotel
and fought lad to that man and we tried to
use the bathroom and they was like, they rented it
out for ten days for Passover, so nobody else could
rent it out. I've never seen no other race do that.

(01:19:22):
Espeke some noise for the Jewish people for keeping a.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Jewish No, no, they said.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Down the whole W hotel they all out, there was
nothing but Kosha food being served.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
There was no alcohol for those days.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Correct. We was like, yo, it's the bar open. It
was like, no, it's Passover. Is anybody in the Jewish
other than Day, Let's make a noise to day being
the only Jewish guy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Come steps on, Dave.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
I'm gonna start with you, Dave, because you know, is
there anything you regret besides the Internet, because we got
to that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Is there anything you ever regret that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
You could do it?

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
We can't have no regrets, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
No regrets.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
That's a real nigga ship that makes a noise to
day being black.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Right there?

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
You got any regrets? Man, I can't think of anything.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
Probably probably you know, of course you want to be
smart about it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
You know what I'm saying. I probably you don't got
to be smart, but we ate them in here.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
But but but still, but if you look back, But
if you look back and you can say, yeah you
could if you're not even it's about yourself. When you
look at your kids and you look at their futures,
you know what I'm saying, Then you start have to.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Be talking about music and music musically yeah, music, but
like you know, like in the business musically now you know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
I mean to be honest, I think I never got
a real shot because of all the controversy with my music.
Like people don't know that I produce the intro on
Naza Stealmatic album.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Waitut what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
I'm still man, it's the trained overlyon you know what
I'm saying on the Stacey lot is, sir, that's hangman three.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
You see that me two times? Like yeah, google that
right now, Google that, man. Let's get us as brocks.
You're not gonna eat no pork grounds on my show
Birth version bough. Hold on, I'm going to cooke shoulder
to my crew.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
I don't even know if those are your pork rinds.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
No, they ain't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Pull through ships.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
I'm not anybody. Because this is the mall, this is
the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Then they offer those let me let me see if
they official park ground just open up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Yeah, yeah, because it's a ball, you know. Usually, So, boy,
how did you produce that?

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
How did who caught you?

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Steve stout?

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Again? Steve got you?

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Steve, You're getting a lot of love on my show.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
We've done a lot of ship with Steve and Steve, you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Know our relationships.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
So I'm allowing the love to be spread with all
that tailing of American ship.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Steve, what happened with the tan of America? I'm not
you're feeling that I've never seen anything.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
No America command It's only this ain't no tanning of America. Man,
I don't believe in that, man. You know what I'm saying,
I'm sure Steve to Steven means that the white agencies
and the white companies are now except accepting certain black
you know, right, But that's bullship because they really ain't

(01:22:20):
you know what I'm saying, because they really ain't fucking
with us. See it's us that that that got the juice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
It's the middleman and the middleman above them well usually
get them credit for it. That's just how it is.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
So that's what means the tanning of a memical.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
I didn't see that ship. I have no idea what
we're talking.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
He rose big of I guess big. But look he
knows our relationship. But I'm not dissing them.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
So this is this is a wonderful thing, man, But
you don't agree with that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
Don't get what?

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
What was just talking before that? Something before that? Steve
st No, It's like.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Of the song still Mada. So how did that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Who called you to?

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
We probably did it through Steve, But but the s
is that we also produced the one with you and
Prodigy that went gold. Right now, okay, double.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Plast is a classic album. How did this call happen?
What did they asked you to do an intro. We
gave some beats and and l E. S Elliott and
we gave a beat. Shout out to d J l
E s l E S my Man w l E
s l E S. We gave l E s the beats.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
You know what I'm saying, Lets hear him. That's the
one they want.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
And wasn't the guy at that time, So it wasn't Steve.
It was l E. S. My mistake.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
It was l E. S.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
And that's not the reason he got five mics.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
No, no, should have got five mics.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
That album was.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
Come on, it's still Mad'm saying, man, still Maden? You
still here?

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
That was a double plas God, damn mas you talking
about illic?

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
That's what that was the classic that was. That's still maddic.
I'm thinking, No, no crazy? Are you crazy? That's my
first song article magazine I ever bought. I could never
be more proud of to be from Queens at that
very moment, because I remember seeing NS in Brooklyn Queen's

(01:24:21):
Day back in the days we should do something called
Brooklyn Queen's Day in Flushing Metal Plark and I see
I was booked to perform and he came out and
did live at the Barbecue, and it came out with
this dude with a you know, we call him Fishermen's
and he killed it, you know what I mean. And
then they was doing all this crazy. It's just so
that's the you know, for me to see that as

(01:24:43):
a chap go to jail. See this same kid got
five mice. I knew what the mic system meant because
I was an Outcast fan of Outcast was the only
other people I've seen prior to that, I believe, because
Southern Playlistic, Cadillact, whatever whatever that album is came out
came out before ill Matic, correct, because I think that
came out ninety one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
He want to google that came first? Well, well whatever,
who got five mikes?

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Maybe? Well whoever got five mikes before that? Then nas
got five mice. I was in the jail walking through
niggas at that time. In the jail I was in,
it was either Buckshot Shorty or not. Obviously I was
on NA side. I did like Buckshot Shorty, and he
wound up his baby mother about black Moon.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Excuse me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
His big mother was actually from Left Rack. So I
wound up being cool with him. But in the jail
at that time, it was like you either Naso or
Black Moon, and obviously I picked the nine side. And
when that article came out, I just walking through the jail,
nigga my check like it was the and kr Rest.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
We had Kara Rest on the show and Karen.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Resh said that he basically said, well, if that didn't
come out, you know, he said Queen's Bridge, which which
he said Queen's Bridge would never revived. But he didn't
understand that what he meant was queens might not never revived,
So that that quo. Yeah, but but but but there

(01:26:11):
was a lot of that album from that album restored
the the pride, the I don't even know the other
they restored like us to be like, you know, walk
outside and go go eat in Brooklyn and go eating
and whatever. But it all started from when people seeing
that he got five mice, five mice, and then you do, guys,

(01:26:34):
do a wonderful story of the producers. You remember that
for all the producers it was involved like that was
that was legendary. Like journalism isn't conducted like that no more.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
It's not that serious.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Normal, it's not that serious because everything's everything fast, music faster.
So what you think about that?

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
I mean, mean, you know the way I look at
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
I mean, you know you have it's it's just the
sign of the times, you know, right, everything is fast.
I mean the good thing is that we lived in
those times. So I just appreciate how I know those times.

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
Just because it ain't here no more, don't mean you
can't still celebrate it because you've been.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
We're celebrated right now. That's what we're doing on drinking,
you know, man, I'm gonna just tell y'all, man, hold on,
this is the look at that. I just I really
need to eat a pork ring on my shoulders. Why
do you know this is Sonny? Join you gay, I'm

(01:27:39):
gonna give you five with the walk fan with the
pork hands.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
I'm gonna give you with the body. You don't know
why because park don't go step.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Because these motherfuckers is crunchy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
Don't really know it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Just good, give me hot five with the work. You
give me the work. I'm gonna say that I don't mind.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
I don't mind. I don't mind.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
So he got a question.

Speaker 15 (01:28:01):
I feel like you was gonna go When we were
talking about the eminem situation, like, I felt like you
was gonna say something like you was going in the
direction of saying that you didn't have no problem.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
It wasn't no problem with him because I really don't
understand him.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
It was just a gun.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
MTV was just taking on the hip hop and I
felt like, you know, big, this is where hip hop
can finally, you know what I'm saying, start getting some money.
You understand. Look when drugs and guns ravaged and I
say this, the communities, hip hop was there to give
niggas a job. You like, niggas was making money off
of hip hop.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Man, that's a d M said DMX said rappers whacky.
He sometimes he supports them because this rapper is given
at least no.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Six to eight people at job.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
My nigga, you come out of jail back then to
get a job.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
They ain't like that no more, you know. So it's
just a fact that I just felt like.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
They wanted to use a situation where the white audience
had its own image, you know, to really be at
a high level of hip hop with I was saying,
the white people are already buying into the hoods in
the black and Latino communities with hip hop. They don't need,

(01:29:18):
we never need.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Like Beastie Boys, was this shit. Nobody gave a fuck
if there was white black birther lit brown.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
Third Days niggasre like you didn't see hip hop made
it where you didn't see no color. When Eminem came,
he's a white rapper. You know what I'm saying, They
did that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
I did the white rapper show. I regreted it immediately,
but you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
See, but it has nothing to do it. It has
see because the effects of that. I knew the effects
of that, of what it is. Now this kid's twit
me now, like who's thirteen, fifty, twelve years old?

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
All eighty three old?

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Fake al Pacino? All you Eminem killed you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
I'm like little nigga. You don't even know eminem music,
Like little Man, you don't even know his music.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
You're just taking on what you're seen on YouTube and
automatically avoctating to that black against white ship. The issue
was I felt that that they were using his situation
all right to separate hip hop to like you know

(01:30:18):
what I'm saying, to separate hip hop from the audience,
you know, from from from white black audience. I mean,
and then of course, you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Know, like Jimmy Ivan off with you five hundred thousand.

Speaker 4 (01:30:29):
That good now, Jimmy, Jimmy when when you know, we
was when I was going on. We had met with
Jimmy a couple of times, and you know what I'm saying,
Jimmy didn't want no problems. You know, Jimmy and I
had actually done deals with Jimmy. It was cool, man,
It was what was?

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
It was like I just.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
He was with me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Was again.

Speaker 4 (01:30:49):
I was just this rebel that was like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Look, you know, because you gotta remember these kids had
came up out of nowhere.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
These was his boys that came to the magazine with
the tape. They had been trying to sell the tape.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Yeah, oh the gods from Detroit. Yeah, they had the tape.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
I was in Puerto Rico and Dave called me. It
was like the dude are in the office, like on
the next flight, and they had been trying to sell
the tape over the year.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Now, these was his boy and do you believe that
the story like that he said, he said it was
only happened because he had a black girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
It's not, it's not it's not for me that Yeah,
I don't know, you know what I'm saying. Wait wait, wait,
hold on? What was made up? Was made that story?
That was that he had a black girlfriend. So you
you did the research and you absolutely we did a
lot of research when we did the whole story. Yeah,
and that was folks. Absolutely, this is crazy. Nobody, I

(01:31:46):
don't think nobody never knew that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
I mean, come on, man, but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Cool, right, it's cool. Man. Him is a great guy.
I met him, I met him once. He's cool. That's
what it was, you know, like when you really get
down to it. We never met each other to make
it personal, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
So I mean, I mean, of course, when when when
you're going back and forth on record, you're going to
take shots at each other as everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
He was used to separate the culture and to you know,
take it, you know, with the the white audience always
was the largest audience of hip hop going back to
the eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Right see.

Speaker 5 (01:32:27):
You again, me, seventy eighty percent of the buyers of
those albums Use albums was white people.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
They was there the whole time.

Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
But eminem was used as a way to take those
who's white people and instead of making them instead of
making them the followers of the culture and the followers
of the streets. Okay, now those people are used to
basically control and dictate the culture to where the streets

(01:32:59):
don't have I don't say no more.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
That's pretty much what eminem time.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
When corporate radio comes in, now they can just cater
to that, right and then separate the audience.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
But is there a problem with that? Of course there is,
because that takes that takes money out of the hood.
But the same people, the same people who are buying
from the hood and don't have to no more. But
who is they when you say that they are using him?

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Is it the same people that DJ College is talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
They don't want you to win, they don't want you
to water your plants, they don't want you to smoke weed.
Is it that the same days? I don't know. I
just know that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
Look the people, the movies and shakings of this industry
right here that control the vehicles. You know what I'm saying,
that the ones you know who who you know, big money,
take no money, big bank, take low bank. You know
what I'm saying, monopoly and everything else. Whatever you're gonna think,
whatever you thought about it. If you think about it.
You know what I'm saying. White folks always pot into

(01:34:02):
hip hop.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
I'm gonna switch the subject a little bit because you're
a pillar of hip hop, both of you, guys, but
both are legends. You guys are still talking to you,
very dispectful. You leaving all right, very I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Got respectful friends. Apologize.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
But it's been a controversy going on right now right
what African Mambada right? Cars one is on our show.
I want to defend cars one because I got the
talk rhymes. Man, get some more funk rhymes, brother. You know.
So I had carras One on the show. I asked
Kris One about the African man batta thing you car

(01:34:40):
ress One.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
I don't want to say he dodged the question.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
He just said that's my man. And once he said
that's my man, I kind of got uncomfortable and I
switched the subject.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Plus after that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Before that, I was giving kres mad my ties to
get him drunk, similar to how.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
I'm doing with you right now. You're drinking Hennessy and
drinking park.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
It's the first person I showed to eat balk God damn,
it makes no noise for you know, the person to
bring pork showed it in my crib and that the
first person to eat walk on the Ring Channel podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
What do you think about the African man body situation?

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
Both of you guys, I don't even know the situation?

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Okay, all right, me neither do I don't. You don't?

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
You don't? I mean, I don't know another situation? You
finished or you're done? You start? Do you forget it?
Come on tell me the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Oh man, if you ain't knowing it, didn't you know?
I'm not I'm not bringing them in this situation. Come on,
help me out.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
You gotta do.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
You know, I don't even want not on that, not
on that situation. Let's turn it up.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
So the unsigned Hype, the mic System, the Source Awards,
the album.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
With the joint with you on Mario Winings. All of
that you did loving hip.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Hop, I mean rock.

Speaker 17 (01:36:01):
The party was was that we had a couple of
we had a couple of shows rock and Park. I
think what what was out when I was out when
it's love and the hip hop thing? It wasn't presented
to me.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
It wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
It just I was giving Stevie was staying with me.
I was riding to the set. We stayed together in
Atlanta and riding to the set and just chilling. And
then you know, they asked me to basically like you know,
because I was talking to him already he has Michael,
and I was just like, yo, you know, you know,
you should just try to be monogamous and ship. It

(01:36:38):
was like one woman, right, Yeah, And then there was
like when you said that on camera and I was like, yeah,
I said it on camera. They micd me up, and
that was the first time I was on him. I
did that drive and seek with him because you know
what I'm saying, I was never casting for it then.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
So so what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Why why you're not on Live of Hip Hop No More?
What is that?

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
It was a situation that happened, you know at the reunion,
you know, you know where you know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
The snuff Jos Let's just come out.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
She came.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
Is that what happened? A little bit trying to snuff
your wife. Listen, every man in every world, nigga in
the world, will do the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Of course, you know what I'm saying, I'm gonna protect mine.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
Right, It's not like you're a woman's not like that
that's not what I'm saying. No, no, no, she's gonna
you know, choking.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
Only get.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Right, right, So why did they There's so many people
who did so much worse things and loving hip hop?

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Why do you think you're being like listen, listen, Look,
Love and hip hop was a great situation for me,
you know, like I said, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
It was something that I didn't know I was gonna
be a part of. You know, I did a bunch
of seasons. A lot happened to me on there. I
got shot, you know, Oh yeah, yeah, you know that's
crazy hope my mom's past blessed. Yeah, yeah, that's you
know what I'm say. Yeah, So it's like a lot
happened in those years just in my life. So it was,
you know, love and hip hop was deep. You know,
Love and hip hop was you know, shout out to

(01:38:09):
love and hip hop.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
Man, I got you know what I mean, Like you
know what I mean like a mota recently talking man.
Stephen was just back in the studio.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
You and Stevie. Amazing crazy thing is you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Know how your boy called you and your boy say,
you know, he's like I always I know you guys
are brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Like y'all gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
I know it's different, but you know what I'm saying, Like,
I know, you guys got.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
A lot of love for each other. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
Do you think it was love and hip hop who
separated y'all? Or you think yeah, I mean you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
No, no, no, never the money because me and Sleeves,
it ain't like that with us. It was definitely a
situation with with with the you know, he was under
precious his situation. I was underpressious my situation. Things happened,
you know, things happened. Things happen in relationships and family,
and you know what I'm saying, I don't think. You know,
I don't know, man, I just don't think, like I

(01:39:08):
don't think. You know, when you do reality TV, man,
you can like really try to hold it against somebody,
because man, people do things just for the for these
for these things, for the cameras, and it's like, you know,
you got to know that. You know, if the cameras
wasn't there, it wouldn't be like that. There's no excuse
for it. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
How did you guys work it out? It's just man,
it's just gonna take time. Man. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
It wasn't you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
Time?

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
Hell was all you know what I'm saying. I mean
both of us understood what happened, and you know, like
where where we stood with each other, like we don't.
That was unfortunate what took place there, and it was
unfortunate it took place on camera and ship.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Like when you ask me if I regret things, I
regret that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
Oh yeah, that makes a noise for that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
Because because another thing is like I didn't bring out
there on Love and Pop for none of that ship
to be fighting and all that. Like I'm not with
none of that, to be honest, I'm really not with
that because you know, we fight enough off camera to
fight our whole lives. Why are we gonna go on camera?
You know what I'm saying. Not you know, so I
don't you know what I'm saying. It just it just
it just it was unfortunate, man, it was something that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
I guys had the seven five seven group, right, yeah,
seven fifty seven. Yeah, the rest of the peace.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Big cat to.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
Man, your cat's get big Cap. We love you, my brother, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
Cap had hosted the seven fifty seven take us on
that pif you go that PIF downloaded?

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
Yeah, wow wow. So that he passed away and then
you guys come back together.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
That's probably this was crazy about it because we wasn't together.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
He was.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
He was like, yo, you should let me just put
the music out, and he said yo. I ran to
Stevie and he said, he said that's cool, and I
was like, why did you say it's call? I was like,
put it out, that's dope. Mind you and Steve almoston
talking two years.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
You know, and you guys were not only like the
first people with the magazine that led the culture, not
the first people to do in compilations of the coach here.
I remember you guys the first people to own studios.
I remember you own a studio in Manhattan. Was that
called the Sauce Lab? Man? You own a big studio
in man We spent so much. I remember you asked

(01:41:17):
me to do a verse or something or come meet you,
and I came there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
You know, they actually called me. I walked through. You
guys had like they had to be like five million
dollars studio. Yeah, walked in. You had blue carp I
walked through and I was like, mad.

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
We rolled up. I was like, Yo're gonna go outside
and smoke. He was like I spoke for what spoken had.
Like you guys had all type of endeavors. Man, what's
the next endeavor that you guys, Dave, Mads and Benzino.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
Is gonna do?

Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
You really want to know?

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
I really want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
In fact, Joe named this album on our podcast Give
Us Something Big. Come on, this's go Zeno.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
Crap traps everywhere, but we haven't talked about that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
There no crab traps in every city and my sauce
in every supermarket.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Let's do it.

Speaker 9 (01:42:05):
Let's make a noise. It's to sound bad. I don't
know when I'm mad. Man, it's not wonder women. I
mean say so everybody. It doesn't make it bad, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
Make it better.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
So how did you come up with? Like me?

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
I mean for the lameness, that's what you say, right, laymen,
for the laymen, like I knew like one time Xeno
came to the crib. You know what I'm saying, it
was something going on with it. Oh that's just straight paple.
Yeah all right, hold on, come on, man, this this
ain't for straight paple drinks. Because Rock, I'm gonna hit

(01:42:43):
this armadell. Then hold on, let me finish myself.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Rock.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
So I knew you had love for cooking, right, but
most people got love for basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Doesn't mean they're gonna play in the NBA. What made
you take this risk with this restaurant.

Speaker 4 (01:42:58):
I mean it was like a low risk. You know,
crabs is low wrist. I was only gonna do crabs,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So I mean it
was like a little small place I had been. Dave
turned me onto the little Korean spot over there, Big Joy.
It was in the same strip models Big Joy, Marietta.
It was already kind of built out as a restaurant,
a little small spot like fifteen and sixty hundre square feet.

(01:43:21):
So I said, man, it's perfect litt crab spot. But
the whole thing was I had to develop these sauces
for it. I just wasn't gonna do like a crab
Old Bay season. And you know what I'm saying, I
want to do. I want to take it further.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
So it was like I.

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
Developed these sauces. The first one was like the Zeno sauce.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Because I heard you win somewhere like La yeah, La.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
It was like these Koreans like that's like they do
crabs differently, where like they incorporate sauces with it. So
I said, well, if I put my own twists on
the sauces, see what happens. Took me about four months
to really like what Nelson was saying.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
Did you think he was crazy when he wanted to
go in the crabb business. You guys are in the compilation.
You guys are in the saucer Warans. You guys are
into music. You guys are into and now you want
to sell food, like did you?

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
I mean, he always wanted to do something like this,
This is not he was always in I.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
Had something on Miami Beach. You know what I'm saying.
I remember that too.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
I mean he was he was certain about it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
In your club, remember no, No, I got Pepper Space.
This is a great. It's like it's like when.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
Rose just got hot. I walked in the club.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
This is what was club? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Yeah, clubs? You know your job was there? Jou invites me.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
I go in there, I going there. All the six
bottles of rolls, I remember they had to be at
least twelve hundred the peaks. But I'm like, these niggas
is doing this with like your birthday or job row birthday.
I don't remember it was birthday, job birthday. So I'm like,
all right, cool, I'm not asking for bottles. They got
us all in go to six bottles of bros just
came out and then and then a fight broke out

(01:45:03):
and they pepper sprayed the whole club. I sat there, prepared,
let's go. I said, they got this game, that nigga
too much of money, My nigga, I'm drinking my bottles.
I was like, all my good, and he was like,
you're good.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
The whole club that I said, fuck, like.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
You know how crazy it is to buy bottles to
sit down and everybody else leave and you just really
want to treat you the ship.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Fuck that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
I don't even give up. I'm saying, right here, give
me one way, just fix, let me go.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
And that was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
I got prepersuaded the first time I got Perpsation Club
High five.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
That was club that was a no bass club, that
was a no best club. What is what is there now?

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
It was it was a it was American Paddle Now.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
That was the second the second floor joint. We was
on the second floor, that's the first flost was on
the second floor.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
So I just want to let y'all know, like before
we get up out of here, Man, is there anything
y'all want to get off y'all chests?

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
If anything y'all want to you know, get.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
To the bottom line, you know, because I know I've
been messing with you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
You know, I'm just messing with you all. These was jokes.

Speaker 4 (01:46:05):
No, I mean, I just know I'm just I definitely
meant I've definitely been down to come do this.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
You know what I'm saying, Brother, I appreciate that. I
want that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Thank you so much. Man, you guys been in my
corner forever. That's something I gotta say.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
You know, you guys been in my corner before we
even mess messed with each other. But we wound up
living in the same building, and it was something that
it was. It was a peer of love, you know
what I'm saying, Like, it's a peer of love. It
wasn't nothing like no fake like like I need to
get y'all like we're gonna handle each other. We're gonna

(01:46:39):
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
It was again, that's what that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
That's what the reality show people use that word.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
It's all right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 15 (01:46:46):
So, but one thing, one thing I definitely need to
know because only y'all remember when we met that I
wanted the documentary with y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
Oh yeah, I heard about this. I heard about this,
and you know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
I'm glad we finally here doing this.

Speaker 15 (01:46:58):
But this is a good fun When is real serious
documentary of the legacy of the source, because.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
That needs to happen now, can't you do that?

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Or you would have to clear that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
They would have to be a joint clearance because they
own the name now, so if there was to be
like a thing, they would have to clear the name.
Ro So we'd have to call it the force, right
or the creators of the source that you want?

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
I mean, but a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
Lonzel would have a problem with that, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 16 (01:47:26):
I mean, how about you call it the history of
the I think the culture needs there's always use the
SOURCEDE has to be involved, hopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
You know, there's no problem with that, Mondelle, you know
it makes sense to do it. Chronicle.

Speaker 4 (01:47:41):
We ain't got no beef for nobody but at the
end of the day, the history is what it is.
Everybody's gonna have their opinions. But the way I look
at it's over now. You people gotta put that ship
behind and move forward.

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Should there be a source magazine story? Of course, of course,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
Of course it should be because I mean, and I'm
not trying to start any controversy or things. Do you
ever just look at the sauce now and be like, damn,
I'm upset how they took.

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
It like and not No, not only because of of
of how every other magazine like and the sauce really
is the your sales going, vibees going, I mean, like
Russell Simmons.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
Russell Simmons is one of my icons, is one of
my idols. But when it didn't come on, relieve make
the sauce cover. Yeah, I think she did, Like that's
not where.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
Y'all was on it. I think she did.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
She did.

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
She was one of the first ones after we got yeah, yeah,
after she did Yeah, after y'all because David we was
doing with Mary sitting on the ice. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:49):
Iconic joints like Biggie over the building is iconic.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
Do you know what I'm saying with the gun to
the joke I was doing man with the ship in
his nose, Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
So you see like you see like different putting like
sports figures or like people who are models on the cover,
Like are you disappointed?

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
Let none of dis Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
But I'm just saying, like the original story, like when
you look at it now, like can you walk through
an airport? Do you tell me?

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
Man, I don't look at it just doesn't. It's a different.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
Time, you know, Okay, it ain't really.

Speaker 4 (01:49:22):
I don't look at no magazines honestly, Like hip Hop
Weekly fits fits is the format of today, but any
other magazine like that, it's just a different time.

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:49:31):
Everything is internet phone, right, you know what I'm saying.
Everything seems to be internet and phone. Hip Hop Weekly
works because of the format of how last weekly you
know of like US weeklies and everything. But you know,
I just don't look at it like that though more.
I mean, even if even if it was, I just don't.
It's not in a time where it could shine anyways
the sauce, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
What I mean, It just don't So I know, I
kind of asked you this in a different way to
what's the new move man?

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Are you gonna stick with reality?

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
Are you us can continue with the with the magazine
or you guys gonna do some phenomenal thing to change
the culture again. It's been You're about to celebrate thirty
years and well, look we need another.

Speaker 4 (01:50:12):
Week week ago. I'm saying, hip hop weekly TV, hip
Hop weekly TV. Definitely me and ot is about to
do your own album show that week TV. It's the
first time you heard about that. I can't can't say
that work. I can't, but I can tell you that
makes a noise but no no, but I can tell
no no, but we still can make noise to we TV.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
We were spread in the room, but we spreading the room.
But he don't got his own TV.

Speaker 4 (01:50:38):
I'm still I'm still spreading, still working. I'm still working
with Carlos King. You know next fifteen, season two on
TV one. You know what I'm saying, looking like season two? Yeah,
season one success and you know we're just crab trap man.
And you know what I'm saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Did you ever think you'll be doing reality went back
from back then?

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:50:55):
Hell no, hell yeah no.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
If you if you were still after saw us being
on top, you probably be like reality is.

Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
Now reality because you see, reality TV is all what
you make it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
You know, if you go, if you make yourself a fool,
you will You're gonna be You're gonna be looked on
as a fool I mean with yourself, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
But at the end of the day, like you, as
long as you are who you are, and if you
don't mind who you are and and and comfortable with
who you are, then you could do reality TV.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
Well let's make a noise for you know, being political.
You're like.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
Dave, You've been in the brains behind the operation for effort.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
No, you like being you like you like you know
what I mean by that. It's like you're you know,
you know, come on.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
For alcohol.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
This nigga's bored out all the chaser. He's a foul guy.
He's my brother brought. He's also brought shower.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
But so uh, I don't want to say I people
do something over because that's kind of corny. But what
you think this next big endeavor that you want to
do yourself now?

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
I mean, I mean, like not what I was, you know,
I mean this the next big idea for you?

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
What you think is that because you was the guy
who invested in the internet and then people didn't believe
who had didn't work at that time. But guess what,
the Internet's working now, So that makes you nosra domis
what is your next idea?

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Again?

Speaker 5 (01:52:23):
I think it's still that there's not a voice for
the culture that south there. And the culture is powerful
because you know, you have what they call the millennials,
which is.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
The millennials that largest make it happen, right, Well.

Speaker 5 (01:52:40):
That's that's the demographic that all corporations are going to
be targeting for the next twenty or thirty years. And
there's ninety five million of them. There was seventy eight
million baby boomers. You heard of the baby boomers. I
never heard of where they were. They were the biggest
largest previous generation in Americans.

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
The Baby Boomans, yes, yes, and the millennia anyway, that's
that's really where to be a voice for them? I
think I think dj Ifing has filled that voice for
the millenniums.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
Not on y'all level, we can never.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
But the thing about it is a lot of people,
a lot of people they big of our podcast because
these ninety stories and there's ninety babies that listen to it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
But I can honestly say that I could never.

Speaker 1 (01:53:26):
Make the impact of the sources ever made. I could
never make a system like I've tried to. You know,
this drinking competition that we just had Geno do we
try to do that with all guests. It's not like
the five mics. It's nothing I'm trying to get.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Thank you, Dave.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
He's a positive guy, man, five baby, he's my friend. Man,
But this just makes a noise for motherfucker the original song.
This makes a noise for Zino drinking all the tracer.
So now we gotta drink straight. So, man, guys, I
want to can't thank you enough. Man. I know you
guys didn't have to do that. I know you guys

(01:54:03):
didn't have to fly in from LA. I know you
guys didn't have to stop for whatever you guys are doing.
I really appreciate it because people that are listeners, they
love these nineties stories, these eighty stories, these two thousand stories,
these twenty ten stories, and this hip hop stories, and
that's what we cater to. We're not trying to get
the guy who's hot. We're not trying to get the

(01:54:24):
guy who's on his press run. We're not trying to
get the guy who just happened to be around. We're
trying to get legends who have real stories. And you
guys came, you participated. You never stopped us one second.
It's you know, sweated for a minute, he jumped over
the camera for a minute that he didn't stop. He
came in.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
There's been a good sport and that's what this is
all about.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
This is not about This is about us getting together,
getting drunk and telling stories. And you guys did what
you had to do. And I can't thank you a man,
and yeh yeah, yeah you got to it. Is there
anything else any of you want to say? I was like, man, man,
it was a pleasure, pleasure here and it's going to
be a part two and it's got to be a

(01:55:02):
walking yes, yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
But but also let me thank you for.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
Uh uh you know you're the first guy who's on
my food and on the podcast. You know what I'm saying.
Gunplay was too I thought about it. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. But you're doing that live being up
the gunplay. But I can't thank you guys enough. Man
for let me into your life. You know, I do
it with League. We play around with the stories, and

(01:55:32):
you guys are a great sport man, and what you
guys can contribute it to hip hop could never be replicated.
If just in case you guys didn't know, the things
that y'all gave to hip hop, things that you gave
to me personally is personally appreciated. I'm glad that I
can later on in life call you guys my friends
because you gave me love before you even knew me.

(01:55:53):
And I'm glad that after we guys we knew each other,
we continue our relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
And I appreciate you guys being a part of this podcast.
My brother, you know what I'm saying. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Man, the original Sauce, the dudest, Just focusing.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
On me for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
This is the dudes that made something that people call
a hip hop bible. I don't care what you doing
hip hop. I don't give a fuck what you try
to replicate. I don't give a fuck what you try
to make. There's nothing that people are going to call
it the hip hop bible, my motherfucker. And listen, this
is what I think.

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
This is what I think.

Speaker 1 (01:56:27):
In a hundred years, the original sauce magazines will be
read like a hip hop bible. That's what I think.
God bless you, motherfucker saving good night, God bless you motherfuckers.
We got some some touchy ship and they stood here.
They took the heat. It's going down Drink Chance Podcast.
Make the fuck all just go over there.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
Let's go over there.

Speaker 15 (01:56:57):
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