#Throwback Episode - w/ Ice-T | (Ep.70 ) - Drink Champs

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
He's still boy?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
What Up?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
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a crazy.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
He's a utainer Crazy Roll Radio. I did that on purpose.
I thought somebody would say no, but nobody's the same thing.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
So we have hands down my favorite o G A
person that every time I call him, he responds he
he's never been Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
He's never played this Hollywood game.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
As he was coming here, I told all my friends,
I said, listen, they said, you know I you know
what I said, Ice gonna come doub low and walk
up byself. Absolutely, it's exactly who he is. He's been
like that ever since I ever knew him. And he
continues to be the realest person. I. I strive every
day to try.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
To be like this man.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
When I'm you know, have that many years in this game,
I would like to be like this stout.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Stop it.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
And if you don't have Twitter, you should get Twitter
just to follow this man at final level.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
He drops the daily game every day. I'm always watching.
I always suspect it.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
And in case you guys do not know who is
in the building right now, we got the legendary motherfucking
ice tea in the building makes something?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
What's that were down?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Great?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Look at our bottles?

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Look but this is That's one of the first questions
I have is because most people that have the experience,
have the years and have the game, where that like,

(02:24):
go what happened to the life.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
EXPERI I look like, what's set up?

Speaker 1 (02:32):
What is going on?

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Ogs in the game that has been in the game
as long as you have are.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Not social media savvy.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
They're not on Instagram, they're not on Twitter, they're not
on these uh ways that their fans can actually hit you.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Why did you feel that you embrace social media?

Speaker 1 (02:51):
In my opinion, you know when I when I when
I first started, we used to have a fan clubs,
you know, and people would write in and then we
would send them back stuff. And I had my homie
Shiney Shine ran the fan club, and it was very
important to get my fans on board and to make
them feel like they was part of whatever, whatever my
movement was. So when I got into it, I looked

(03:12):
at out. I wasn't really into Facebook. I don't have
a face any because I'm too excited with.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
It, Norrie one.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I like to let people know, but I'm very private too,
and I know that social media is the number one
tool of law enforcement. Not that I'm breaking the law anymore,
but you just given giving them a fucker so much
information about yourself. And all the people that watch you
on social media aren't necessarily your friends. Your enemies could
be laying in it right there too and pop up

(03:41):
on your punk ass wherever the fuck, you know. So
you're just like you really want to lead lead a
nigga up to your front door. Really, I don't know,
you know. So I got into Twitter, and I liked
how fast Twitter was, and I just got on there
and I found a way that I could actually talk
to my fans and some people. It was a cool
feeling I mean I block you though. If you say anything,

(04:04):
I block you. I blocked with the quickness. I got
a zero dumb fuck policy. If you say anything to
me that you would normally not say to me in
the street.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Even a bad joke will get your block.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Like I'm like, oh you think we that much? Friends block?
You know now that I learned the mute button, it's
better than the block. Mute is if somebody, you know,
some dumb fucks talking to you, you hit mute and
they don't know they blocked, so they keep on talking
and they just are talking to nobody.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Teach us how to so they know they don't get
to you know, some people.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
They like it. Oh yeah, I got ice tea to block,
like that's.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Some type of badge, dumb fuck honor or some bullshit.
You didn't so I just mute you and then you
think you still talking to me, but no longer. Let's
make some nowse for drink. Can's learning about the okay,
So now I want you to take me because a
lot of ogs.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
They criticized this era, and now that they considered me
a ogy, I sort of criticized this era, but the
realist era, a lot of people say the nineties, but
the realist era was actually the era that took place
before the nineties, when you had the self destruction, you
had late air violence, the late eighties. So I want
you to describe to me that, Like, first of all,

(05:22):
how in that same vein?

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yes, but.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
When you first got in the game, what year was
that I started?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
My first record came out like night well early eighty six,
eighty six, yeah, yeah, my first single was eighty two,
so cause you know I was you was in the
breaking right, yeah, yeah, But I made records with Mellie
Mail and all that kind of stuff after my first album.
And you know, I believe that radio and hip hop

(05:52):
steers the bus to what music is. So at that time,
the bus was aimed tour groups like Public Anemy Tour,
care Rest One. So as an artist, you knew they
were in the studio. You knew Ice Cube was over
here dropping some shit. You knew Ghetto Boys was coming,
so you knew you could keep it gainst it, but
you had to have a political aspect to it. You
just couldn't be just talking no nonsense. You had to

(06:13):
come and break it down. So when you know, okay,
rock Hem's in the studio. You know who else is
out there. You had to bring a bar up to
that attempt to attempt to, you know, do your best.
So there was a degree of difficulty and agree agree
of respect you wanted along with being able to have

(06:33):
a good record. Like I didn't people go like, yo, Man.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
I didn't want.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
People to say yo, I like your beat. I like
niggas to walk up to me and say, yo, Ice,
thank you, thank you for what man. I was. You know,
I was going up north. I was listening to your
plague yourself.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
But now let me ask you, because I'm so you
came out before n w A. Yes, so you are
technically the first gangster rapper ever.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Not true.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I get the credit to Schoolly Ds Philly, Yes, Schoolly D.
Because I was making my records and stuff. But I
wasn't known. And I was in the club and I
heard ps K and this ship came on, you know,
and I called it dust like the music sound like
he was on Angel, Dust like.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
PSK.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
I've been around the dust, you know, I know what
I know what that is. And I got some homies
and Steak dusted and they were looking at you, looking
at you crazy like, are you do you like me?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Are you about to stab me?

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Replace coming out?

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Look yeah, so so schooly d. So I researched this
record and they say, that's PSK, that's park Side Killers,
that's that's a that's a Philly game. So he was
singing about it, a game called park Side Killers. So
I was like, Kim, this is the vibe of that song.
So when I went in to make six in the Morning,

(07:58):
I kind of used the and the cadence.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Guys too long Christmas more.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Than all right?

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Okay, all right, now all right now now we're looking
like drink champs. Sorry. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
So, so I used the vibe in the cadences of
ps K to do my first song, which was would
he say ps.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
K making that green? I say, six? Next morning police
had my door, so I know, now it makes so
much okay, And.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
And and then C said that Boys in the Hood
is part two to six in the morning. So six
in the morning police had my door. The boys in
the Hood are always hung, you know. So everyone was
riding that same kind of cadence and that that smooth vibe.
But you know, I talked, I took schoolly D and
I made it really graphic. We would we had oozi's

(08:53):
and hand grenades and because.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
I probably got But what I'm trying to say is
even schoolly d like for people that you know who
school he did is. But he wasn't like a big figure, right,
So what made you say I'm gonna take this chance
and stick with it?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Because you did six in the morning, but you kept going.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
But see, the thing of it was like I wasn't
no rapper like I was in I was in the
streets for real, for real, and I just happened to
get a chance to rap. So I would try to
rap like New York rappers and stuff, and my homies
would be like, yo, niggas say that shit you be
saying because I used to make gang raps.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I used to make raps like we do a gang rap.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
But like this, let's see uh strolling through the city
in the middle of the night, niggas on my left
and niggas on my right yelling cut cut rip. That mean, nigga,
I see now, if you bad enough, come fuck with me.
I seen another nigga. I say crip again. He say,
fuck a crip nigga. This is his brim So we
pulled out the Roscoe. Roscoe said, crack, I look again.
Nigga was shooting back, so we fell to the ground,

(09:56):
aimed for his head. One more shot. The nigga was dead.
We walked over to him, took his gun, spitting his face,
and began to run. So if you see another nigga
laying dead in the street and the puddler blood from
his head to his feet, I hope it's time all
you bitch ass niggas get hip. This fuck of brim
nigga its west Side Rolling sixty cos that's gangster d

(10:22):
What year was that? That was in high school?

Speaker 2 (10:24):
That before?

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah, let me tell you something right now. When you
go to l A, the most famous gangs.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
The Rolling six, Yeah it went that cra high school.
C Yeah, this hustle.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yes, he's from sixties, but I'm I'm from I'm from
back in the day with Nelsy and Keeta rocking.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah yeah yeah, John now you know. But anyway, but
I mean see.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I went to Crench, y'all, So y'all had sixties Hoover
Harlem a tray gangsters, Harlem his thirties.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, Harlem is the thirties. So they named that from
New York.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yes, the Harlem crips, rolling sixties eight trade, gangster, these
e tgs. They then you have have hoovers, you know,
and that basically what.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
That center of South anyway.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Anyway, my nephew man, so the gangster rap cames from
really rapping about gangster ship. So my homies was like, Yo,
nigga talk about that ship. We do.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
But that's what I'm trying apolicize.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
But the point I'm trying to make is because one
us on the East Coast, we had only heard like
us on the East Coast, we were re public enemy fans.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
We were fans of you don't care.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Us one who people we knew were against them, but
they were preaching right. So when the West Coast, the
first time we heard the West.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Coast like you made me scared to go to the
West Coast, Like I was like, what the I don
want to go to preaching the street. I don't want
to go there for the god.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
I was like, I used to listen to your ship
secure like I don't want to go there. But whatever
you and but what made you say that? Because I
don't want.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
To call it a gangster rap, just the reality rap
at that point because it wasn't and it wasn't really reality,
because it wasn't everyone's reality.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
It was just my reality.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
That's why I'm saying, what made you say, I'm gonna
put this reality wrapped.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
On the forefront and the world is going to gravitate.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
I had no idy fucking it didn't have no I
just I just had to wrap for the cats in
my neighborhood. Now, the people in my neighborhood, that's what
you got. You know, you're getting the stage they like,
niggas say, are set nigga? Rep one eleven nigga when
you up there Ice? Because you know then I had
like diplomatic immunity because I was fucking with Downty hunters.
I was fucking with there That's boys. I was fucking

(12:46):
with ath and Park boys. I was fun with lots
of gangs, so I was. I came out with the
West Coast on my back, all the gangs, so I
wasn't wearing the color niggas. Niggas was always like what
Ice is from sixties? Ice is from a Where's ice
ices from? From Bloodstone villains? Because they see me over
there chasing chicks and.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Back then they said that bloods was light skinned and
darll skin people were crips.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
That was no, no, no, no, really, really, bloods are
bloods are brims? Mean, that's the real gang, the real gang.
Where crips in the brims. A cripp refers to you
is because a brim of first.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
To you is blood. Anything that's not a crip is
a blood so.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
So so everything else, Like if I'm I'm a seven
four five nine cripp from a trade crip, everything says
crip at the end, Inglewood Family, that's a blood gang. Pirout,
that's a blood game. They're not pirute bloods. It is
athn Park boys. That's a blood gang than boys. Yeah,
if you're not a crip, your blood by default, by default,

(13:49):
because that's where you're from, that's what you are. Well,
there's there's more crips than bloods, right Cali. But anyway,
so back to this rap music. So I'm in this
I'm in this world, right, so I have.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
To make a music that those people will relate to.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
So without claiming a set, because you'll notice, no one
claimed is set till after ninety two, since till after
the truth, even Snoop wasn't wearing all that blue. We
was kind of like, because it was real, you did
so everybody. I was trying to just kind of like
let niggas know what you know, Like like I just
can say, we're gonna let niggas know where we're from.
Because New York was so powerful, we had to say, well,

(14:26):
look that's great, but this is where we're from, right,
And we had to rap about our life. And uh,
I didn't know I was hot until I got a
call from a from from San Francisco and the Fillmore
West wanted me to perform up there in the Bay.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
And that's not film More Slim Filmore Simmer West is
is the arena venues, oh venue. I was like, you know,
getting I'm going there. I'm going there.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
So we get I get to call. They asked me
what I do is show up there. I'm like, I'm
not popping in La like that, you know, I'm I'm
a nigga with a record out.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
And then San Diego still considered La.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Bay.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
That's the Bay, that's a whole nother world. But that's not.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
That's that's seven hours away. So so I'm like, North Cali.
I'm saying, you're not popping there? Why would you go
to I wasn't popping in l A.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Like you're saying, you know, like how many niggas in
New York got records out right now?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
But are they popping? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
So my record was out.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
I wasn't a ship in l A. I was just
a nigga trying to make it right. But they wanted
me up there, so I'm like really, They like, yeah,
this tell us you'll do the show. I sold the
show out, so they called me that bigg that show
sold out. I'm like really, So in other words, I
was hotter in Frisco than I was in my home town.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
You knew what a sold out show meant at that.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oh yeah, they said, no more tickets? They said, would
you do another show? They said, they said, what you
doing your back show? I did back to back shows
and the fill more sold out on one song, six
in the morning, whatever other bullshit I had to do,
and I was like, Yo, this ship could be really big,
Like this is real. Now I'm not really making no
money with this. I'm still in the street. I'm making

(16:11):
money doing other things and stuff, and you know, I'm
at that point where you know that dilemma that street
nigga's running too where they want to get.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
But I always, I always wanted out of the game.
I didn't I never, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Really like it. I just did it as survival. One
of the reasons I don't drink like I'm an orphan.
I have no mother, I have no father, I have
no sisters.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I read that you was an offhan. I thought I
thought that was something I guess.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
So I always felt liquor or weed or drug would
compromise my position. It would put me in a position
that if I hit the ground, there's nobody to come
get me. Dig So, I just got to stay on
my toes. Dig So, I'm i'm, I'm, I'm in, I'm in.
The water is full of sharks, and I got to
stay on my toes. You did so, So that's one

(16:57):
of the reasons.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Just in case you are right right now, Ice, if
you wanted to a shot of anything, we got your
You got that.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, I've been.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I've been like I was a designated driver before there
was a term.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
For it, because that's what I'm that's not about to act.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
So so you mean, even as a child growing up
in the gang culture, and I remember, I remember there
was that, and the West Coast was the people who
kind of introduced us. A lot of people who credit
Wu Tang for that, but it was the term Sherm had.
It's a West Coast.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
It's a cigarette to Sherm that you put the PCP on.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
You never got high, not one, No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
I mean I was. I was. I've been contact high
because I've been in one niggas in studios. But when
I was younger, this one cat, I remember, I might
have been maybe fifteen or younger, and some guy was like, yo,
hit the weed, you know, And I'm like, I don't
want to hit the weed. So you was a bitch
if you don't hit the weed. I said, well, I'm
a bitch. Make me hit it right while you tripping.

(18:03):
While you're tripping right. So now that he I stood
my ground, the next person tried to get me high.
He go, he don't get high because if he couldn't
make me do it, no one else Why just became
the sober cat and the click. Then when I got
into the real gangster ship, as it got more escalated.
Whenever I would walk into a room and there would
be a bunch of people. The one person that didn't

(18:24):
get high. That was the cat. I keep my eye
you did because I know he probably got I know
he got that thing on him and he wonders. That's
his job.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
You know.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
If you guys have security, you let your security get high. No,
so do you got to think about it like that.
I don't have security.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
You feel me so now why I I always ask me, baby,
That's why I'm here.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I I can't wake the highest security for a while.
For years, you just be you like I mean, I
remember one time I was shooting the movie. I did
not know what I was doing. I did not know
what I was doing.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
I told you to come somewhere at four thirty. You
got there at four o'clock and you ain't complaining. You
stood there like was supposed to be here.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Niggas that make that type of music, we know who
is official.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I can listen to you. I can listen to Mob Deep,
I can listen to different records m P.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I love you know. If I'm going.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Political, I like dead presidents like that President. I know
who and I can I can we through the phony
niggas too. I'm like how many bricks you saw? Nigga,
you're only sixteen? Really like that's not a possibility that
happened like that, Like you know how many shot? How many?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
So I kind of like could I was. I'm a fan,
so that that comes into play.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
And then also, like I say, all I have is
my word and I'm not see I'm the kind of
person I have people that work for me. So if
I can't be on point, how do I expect them
to be on the point? So I have to I
just set that example. So I don't like being late.
I like to stand on my word. I mean, you're
gonna show up blate to a drive by and niggas
say we leaving it six.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Nigga, you guys, you can't be shown up late. So
these numbers are important.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
You got to do your numbers.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
But as a person who don't smoke and don't get high,
do you take life too serious?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Do you think you take life too serious? A lot
of people who do that, not at all. I mean
I enjoy life. I see it for where it is.
I made it this far.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
I'm I'm just a more laid back person. I'm just
a cool person. You know, I'm not. I don't like
to brag. I don't talk about myself that like in
that if you don't ask the question, I won't tell you.
You know, people say, Damn, you're so cool. I'm like, well,
how you get named Ice?

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Nigga?

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Like really, you know?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Ice is everybody wants to be Ice in the hood.
You know what I'm saying. That's a great name. That's
a very you know.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
People are damn, you could be Ice? Can you be?
You know? So they gave like bitch and Wyan said, nigga,
you got that name. Niggas can't take that name from you.
You went there, you can't take that name from me.
So you know, can a nigga name Ice be real
ag all the time and excited and uptight and ship?

Speaker 2 (21:20):
That doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Because you set off in my opinion, when when uh,
East Coast we had gangster rap, but it wasn't It
wasn't reality rap. It wasn't you guys had mob style,
no moms. Something come up before you didn't know, but
after it okay, this trust me. Every gangster.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
So here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
So you and them so so you when I think
a West Coast, I don't think a gangster rap. Your
name is one of the first, if not the first,
right and and you and you you coined that, so
did everybody else, kind of gravitated because I believe n
w A came out, okay.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
But the word gangster rap wasn't out with me.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
The word gangster rap came out, yes, because cube and
straight out of Compton. He says from a gang called
niggas with attitudes. He didn't say from a group. He
said from a gang. So he represented his clique as
a gang. And then then the pressed coin gangster rap.
It didn't have a name until they gave it that name,

(22:20):
but I was But that's why after they did that,
I said, well, if it's that gangster rap, then I'm
the original gang you are.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
So that's when it went backwards. Okay, that's now gangs,
and I'm the old gang. You flipped everybody's wig at
one point.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
At one point we're sitting back and we see this
Bishop don Wall, we see these pimps movie, We see
ice per your ship is slide died and full to
the side, magnetic. And the way you did it and
the way you spoke, we knew that you wasn't fronting.
We knew that you were will and how the pimps

(22:57):
accepted you. But now it was that the life prior
to your game.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Again, what thing of it was is I was on
the streets hustling, so I didn't sell. I tried to
sell coke once, but then everybody took the money and
ran off like I gave. I gave it out to
my friends and they all came back short.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
So now I am I supposed to kill my friends.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
What I had left, I was just able to make
the money that I invested back. I said, I can't
do this no more. But then when I was in
the arm, every one of them games, everyone no niggas
had stories like I'm like, yo, I'm I gonna niggas
understand this. You know, you give out the dope to
your friend and he comes back with a story. But

(23:43):
I'm like, I can't do this because now I'm supposed
to enforced.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
But I can't. It's my money.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
So I got out of that. I tried it.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I had some way exactly invested my money, but it
didn't work like that. No, I was more.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
We was more basically jewelry store robbers. We was robbing
jewelry stores, doing things of that nature. But when I
was in the Army, I got connected to a pimp
named Machel, and Machel I used to go hang out
at his house and he said, you cut for this game, nigga.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
You got them light eyes. You not too much turned
on by the No no, no, no, my buddies. My
buddy in the army.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
His girlfriend's sister was a hum a prostitute. So so
when his girlfriend army, Oh no, Hawaii is like open season,
you know, because you have all that military Hawaii. I
was in the Army.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
It was a ranger.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Soer okay, So so my voice Spicer. You know, I
don't like using names because I don't know where these
niggas are at this moment. He might be working for IBM.
I'm but my boy, Spiceer. His girl was her sister.

(25:05):
So I was like, yeah, we're gonna go to this
party this weekend. But but blind we would go over
there and it was my man Major's house full of holes.
So he would look at me be like, yo, I
mean when you mean working prostitutes, you know, working girls
lawsuits and they were working on the island of Huaihu.
You've got you have navy, you have Navy, you have

(25:25):
marines there, and you have army, and those guys only
have a weekend. They don't have a lot of times
to create relationship. And then you have a lot of
tourists there.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
So by saying the US government sence your holes.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Well, I'm just saying prostitution is accepted in certain houses.
To keep it everything, it's always.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Been in the military.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, it's a lot of It's a lot of guys
on that island, right, so kind of like it was
a good place to get your pippin. So I'm over
there and homeboy was just like, yo, you cut for
this and this, that and the third. And I'm like, yeah,
you know what I'm saying, But I'm in the service.
And so then when I got home, we was we
was when we would rob and shit, we had girls.
We was working plastic. Like these niggas talking about they

(26:05):
just sliding credit cards. It's an old game. That's an
old game. Niggas was getting the microfilm and we were
making the credit cards and we had the military IDs.
We were printing them and shit, we've been doing that
ship for years. That's nothing new. This new credit card game.
Now they got a chip Okay, new game figured that
one out. Motherfucker. They got a chip for your punk ass.
You ain't sliding shipping them, you know how to take

(26:27):
the credit card sticking that.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
So all these niggas is gonna lose their Gucci belts.
But anyway, so I'm in that.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
So we we we would always keep females in our
click and stuff. So eventually I started reading this Iceberg
slim shit, and I decided I wanted to pimp on
the bitch.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
So my girls was trying to run, They was trying,
they were looking for they was trying to escape. I remember,
I just one chick named Mary, So I'm trying to,
you know, get her out there, like let's go get
this money and ship like that. And she ran to
one my partner. It's like, I just pimping on me.
He's pimping like that.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
And then he come, come me the bitch choosing. I'm like,
she ain't choosing, nigga, you rest haven for hole to
get away from the pimping I'm trying to put on.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
But I was close enough. I mean, pimping is not
very difficult to do. All you just need is a
girl that's willing to shit and hustle. I wasn't no
big time pimp like, uh, you know, bishopping them. But
you know, but I mean every other nigga probably donet
sent the bitch before. I mean just sending a girl
to perform the actor prostitution and bring you the money.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Okay, that's what pimping is, all right.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
So I dabbled in all types of levels of the game,
but I was no knockdown, drag out pimp with a catalog.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Let me tell you some very difficult let me tell
you something. Let me take something I watched. Now, I
watched a couple of other movies, and for a week
I thought.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
I was a pimp.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I think it's my wife. This story might get shut down. Yeah,
that's my wife, love it.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
She's there.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
But yeah, So what happened was, let me get story.
I'll heard. Oh I got some great taking pem story.
Bishop don't want comes.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
To the hood lab, gives me my cup and says you,
we're one of the famous players of the year War.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
So I'm like, I don't know, because I get why
he's giving me the famous player the year World War.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
But I know I'm not a pimp, like I really
do that. So girls, look, you're sleeping high. And I
walk into this club and I said, bitch, chew.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I don't know why I said this, and the bitch said, yeah,
I choose you.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
They all of them pimp Juju, good game, all of
them kidding me and said, nigga, you don't know what
you're doing. And it's true, but how does that How
does a person get into pimp?

Speaker 1 (28:46):
I mean, basically, you gotta find a female that's like
hoose are hose without actually without a pimp. You know,
every girl knows a girl that thinks that they can
use that as a method of operating.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
We used to call the strip clip of the indoor.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Track, you know what I'm saying. So it's like they're
not actually prostitutes, but they're working inside of an element.
But it's still the anytime you're actually giving somebody some
type of sexual for money that you don't like them,
you're prostituting yourself. Even a woman who's going out to

(29:23):
dinner with a guy for a pair of shoes and
stuff like that, she's actually prostituting herself. Even in this business,
sometimes they ask us to do shit that even sexually,
and you be like Damn, I feel like I'm giving
up myself for the money, you understand, But I mean,
I mean, how do you get into any game? You know,
you desire it, you want it, and then you got

(29:44):
to find willing participants, you know. So I had these
girls that were thieves and stuff, and I was trying
to turn them out into being hoes, but they was
like they were resisting it.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Shit.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I mean, I had I had some crazy story. I
told one story I told in one of the movies.
Was me and my partner Gary Burnette, we uh, we
knock some bra So they was hos from up North
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
So we got on our ship and we in there.
Pimp took them up in the Bay Area.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
But these bitches was real prostitutes, right, so we want
to be pimps. Were trying to get out, and well
we figured that out, so we put yeah. So we
sent the broad so we like, so Gary tent to
brough to the casino. He riding behind her in the
car trying to watch the bitch, and the dude in
the car sees it starts whooping the bitch ass like

(30:34):
you got a nigga following me through her out the
out the motherfucking car.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
She getting the car, like, nigga, how long have you
been doing this?

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Like real?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
So that night they get back to the hotel, niggas
go to sleep. They wake up the next day stole
his car. See the hose. The hose was smarter than
the players in that situation. So pipping is difficult. And
and I don't like a lot of stuff that I've
been through in my life. I don't promote it has
something to do. I just say it was something that

(31:02):
I've been through. I'm not able to promote anything all.
All crime and all hustles are negative at the base
of them, you know. But you know, at the moment
you ever see Fargo, well, I quote that line, it
seemed like the right thing to do at the time.
You know, in my circumstances what was around me drug dealers, killers, gangsters.

(31:24):
I thought, well, ship, since I'm flying, I got long hair,
maybe I should be fucking with these girls. But I
didn't make no fortune off of that. I made most
of my money Robin Jury's stores, that Rob jew st
That's what we did. An occasional bank. But that's what
that's what my click is. Occasional bank get to.

Speaker 6 (31:55):
Now.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
I heard a story, Oh, you and ben Zeno having conflict.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah, be Xeno actually being on the West coast, and
ben Zeno's described it as you having two hundred different
gang members with you.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
He said you could have actually killed him there.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, and you walked over now, you walked over to you. Yes,
the thing of it is killing people is not that simple.
I mean, do you carry that with you forever? So
you can't just you know a lot of times, you
know it was a dispatching nigga and you just choose
not to do you want to sleep with that on
your head.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
That's not my thing.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know. I'll protect myself, but I'm not I'm not
going to attack a person. So what happened was back
during the cop killer days. I said both had cop
killer songs. Recorrect, But we were both on Warner Brothers.
But he was with a group called Marco Might. So
what happened was when I pulled out for Warner Brothers

(32:50):
because the president was after me, and shit got hot
and I ended up pomp and pulling. The Source magazine
came down and said Ice is a coward. He gave
in I'm like, how am I character the president of
the United States is after me.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
This is real ship.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Wait wait wait, wait wait talking about what you just
said over the talk about so you just said, wait
them you just said the cop killer record.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, got hot.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
And then and then the.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
President Bush Bush, son of a Bush, was the son
of a Bush? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Bush was on
my ass and so was dan Quail. And they said
they was after me. They was like, they was, yeah,
they wanted my head. They Ali North wanted to try

(33:37):
me for sedition, which is punishable by death.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
They was on my bumper.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, they was on my bumper for this song cock Killers.
This was a major situation. So you know, we pulled
the record off a warner and all the rap niggas
had something to say about it, like, oh niggas you know,
giving in now. Chuck Deese stood his ground, said, look,
if y'all ain't in the war, you shouldn't come in
on the battles. You don't know what's going on. This

(34:02):
ship is real. Real secret service pulled my daughter out
of school and chaskeer was I connected to paramilitary organ
They wanted to see if I was really a threat. See,
this is nori. This is the problem. When the president
says your name, the deepest background check of your life
happens instantly. They know everything from your shoe side to
your mother's blood type.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Why because this next question could be.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
What do we know about him? They can't be he's
a rapper. They like, this is this, this is this,
this is this, this is it. It happens instantly, So
when that happens to you, you feel it. It's a
long story short. I'm going through this bullshit. So Rs
Benzeno and them come out and make some statement. Your
ice tease a sucker because he pulled and because he

(34:47):
pulled that car pulled the record. I pulled the record.
Cop Killer was on the first body Count album. Okay,
I pulled cop Killer off and put a record called
Freedom of Speech. I did it because I didn't want
them to pigeonhole me. And in my career right there,
I got a lot of other shit.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
I need to say. It's not just about this one song.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
They were trying to take a nigga out New jack
City two didn't happen because of that record. All kinds
of shit.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
WHOA dude? When I say it was on my shit, whoa?
It was like you said, it was bigger than rap.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
So Benzino or whoever whatever spokesperson made this comment, Well,
you know I was.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
I was.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
I was under siege at that point. I didn't need
no rap niggas popping off like this nigga is that?
And the third I'm like, nigga don't really even know
what's going on right. So of course niggas in my circle,
we knew who our enemies were are. We always keep
niggas abreasto who's out there. So they popped up on
our charts like okay, these niggas areso's popping off about

(35:51):
ice this niggas popping you know, we know who's you know,
who might not be a friend. So we were at
an event and uh, there they were and there I was,
and niggas seen them before me. Niggas like, yo, ain't
thatt them niggas and uh I want pre internet. Yeah,

(36:11):
and he saw two hundred niggas. I mean, I don't
know how many niggas I had, but I was, I
had the whole West coast with me, you know what
I'm saying. He said, I had the whole West coast
with me. So I just walked up on him I'm like, yo, man,
whatever you niggas think I said, it did all this
robbers uncalled for Man, I did what I had to
do and it didn't affect y'all. Just all it is.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, well and they kind of like renigged.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, yeah, we was mad, we was hot. It was
an interview.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
There was really no beef. It was just a missing communication.
He said.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
It was a miscommunicator. How to speak, and that's what
real men do. That's what real men do.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
So you know that was it, But I won't but
I want you to describe this cop Killer record because
you single handedly made the world.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Pay attention to rap by this cop Killer record. Now,
it wasn't now.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Now it's a record that these young brothers would love
to praise.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
But what made what?

Speaker 1 (37:09):
What?

Speaker 5 (37:09):
What?

Speaker 1 (37:09):
What?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
What made you even think about make a great quill record.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
We were in the studio making you know, body count,
and uh I was singing a song by a group
called the Talking Head.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
It's called psycho Killer Psychical Killer C.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
So I'm singing that and my drummer, beat Master v
rest In Peace goes, we need a cop killer right now?

Speaker 2 (37:33):
What you ain't had no police No, we had a
police people. This is free Rodney King.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
You know, we know what the cops is doing before Rodney. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
So my nigga's like, yo, you know, Vicker's right there
on the front line. So he like, yo, man, we
need a cop killer. You know. The cops rolled up
on such and such, they shot him, They dragged his baby,
mom's you know, this Dulo ship. And so I started
thinking about it, and I said, yeah, what if somebody
snapped and this went on one after the cops based
on police brutality. And that's the hook is cop killer

(38:10):
is better you than me? Cop killer. Fuck police brutality.
Cop killer. I know your family's grieving. Fuck them, cop killer.
Tonight we get even. And so it was more about
this guy who lost his mind based around police brutality,
which just recently happened. Now people actually have started taking

(38:30):
off on the cops. It took a little while, but
I predicted it. I wasn't promoting it. I was singing
the third you know, the first person. I become different
people in my records. That's just part of the art.
You know. I could sing. It's like if I was
a heroin addict and I never been on it, but
I can sing and act like it and give you
an imagery of it.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
You did so now, But that scrutiny it started from
the president. The President's started with.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
The Fraternal Order of Police out of Dallas Austin, Texas.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
They came after me because.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
During this no they just said that Warner Brothers put
out this inflammatory record and they should be banned and boycotted.
And then Charlton Hesson came out and they just went
on one. Because of the time, the cops were under
siege for doing the same shit they doing now. This
was back then, so the best way to take the
heat off them is to attack somebody else. So they

(39:30):
picked me kind of like the Willie Horton thing. They
picked me as a target and so they came down like, dude,
I'm sitting at the house, let me date myself. We
were playing Techno Bowl. Rem me that. So I'm playing
Techno Bowl and Nigga comes one of my homies, like Yo,
Ice is on TV right now the President is talking
shit about you.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Were like, what yo really?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
For real? Were like, we changed the channels and it's
Dan Quail the Vice President and Ice tea Niggas. It
was like that you ever did want of them old
shits like oh shit, oh shit, like oh like we knew.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
This was big, and then it just started to happen.
You know, you could feel them.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
You know that I got tax started it three times
into two year period. I had ice cream trucks sitting
in front of my house in the middle of the winter,
you know, because they had to really figure out was
I trying to call people to arms, which I wasn't.
It was just a record. It was just a protest song.
So you know, I lived through that and I found

(40:37):
out who my friends were. You know, they don't care
about hip hop. Hip Hop can back you, but when
hip hop backs you, hip hop is one big nigga.
Just it's just one nigga. I don't give a fuck
how many rappers come to your aid. That's just one nigga.
You need someone outside of hip hop to back if
you get in trouble. All the rap could band together.
We are all just one nigga that you need.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
You need. Maybe Quincy Jones come out. You know who's not.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Considered a nigga you know something, but yeah, might still
be considered But no, that's what they'll do when he
if he came after saying that, well, you know, he's
a rapper, and they'll throw him in there with Yeah, yeah,

(41:28):
you need someone outside, you know, Martin Scorsese, you're someone
to coming.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Back Tarantino in the back. He's a nigga.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
He went up against the college, someone who's unexpected to
back you. So anyway, I took the heat, and you know,
I wrote it out like you know, I didn't bring
anybody else into it. I didn't say, hey, this other
rap group, of this rock group. I just handled it
myself the way I've been. You know, I was raised
by geez and I still adhere to that code. You know,

(42:00):
that's your drama. You deal with it. You did, so
I dealt with it.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
And you know, and if it wasn't because I mean
it was you, then Uncle Luke.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, because if you first, then Uncle Luke, right, and
Uncle Luke then death Row, then death bro the w A.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
He was the first.

Speaker 7 (42:18):
But what I'm saying the leaves right right, Yeah, it
was they got they got the president was fb.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
F B. I was yah. But then they dropped death
Row with Ted Turner because they were concerned it was
it was a ripple effect.

Speaker 7 (42:38):
Warwick was involved and all these people and Lauris talking,
let me.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Give you a jewel.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Though it's not hip hop that they were afraid of.
They were afraid the fact that white kids were getting
this information. It's like, as long as you sing to
the hood, no one really cares because they already say
we won, big nigga. But once we express it and
they see their little daughters is walking around for the
police and cock killer, and then now you're infecting the

(43:05):
rest of the world, and that's when you become a threat.
So that's when when they saw me have you know,
thousands of white kids yelling the police with me, they
were like, we gotta deal with this cat, right because
he's infected. That's why one of my alms was called
home invasion, because it was me saying, you know, we've
invaded your kids. You know we're in there.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
You've got a different cops And now that you play one, yeah,
I'm going there, Charlie, I got I got mention it
to my man.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Let's say that's a great interview. Let's say Drake Champs
interview questions. You know you're doing interview and the niggas
and you dumb questions, you like, how long.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
You've been in the NBA. What are you talking about
it now?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
The cop Killer one of my favorite records of all time.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Still to this days, I still want to create I
actually think I created this record over but I didn't
do it justice you do it.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
I am mon.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
If y'all know the record, If you're real hip hop,
I'm gonna open another bottle. We already got bottles open.
Come over here, come over, youre the bar, but relax.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Relax, that's right there. I want everybody, if you real
hip hop, to sing along, help me sing along.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Ice.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I am a night man, walking psychopath talking walking yo.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
From when what was the movie? Let me let me
run it before it was that? Was that inspire? Or
before the movie? Did you already know?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
You?

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Let me take it to where we was going live
to where I was going. I hadn't heard of California
at this time.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
What yeah, it was Colors. Can you google it has
someone to be that's gonna be like ninety two. It's
ninety two. I think it's you got.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
But I had heard of California. We had we had,
we had, we had you know, we're all visions of California.
But this is the first time in my opinion. This
is the original California Love Colors, And when.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
I heard that, when I sink the movie, I had
no idea that was popping off, right, What.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
The fuck was going on on the West Coast? All
I used to see was beaches, right.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
I had no idea even get killed in California until Colors,
Like I had.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
I knew about cock Killer, but I was just like
I didn't know. Yeah, but Colors was before Colors. Was
Colors before Yeah Colors.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
What happened with Colors was they was doing this movie
called Colors. Dennis Hopper was directing it, and apparently they
it was going to be a Warner Brothers film, and
due to the fact it was Warner Brothers film, I
was the first rapper signed to Warner Brothers, so they're gonna,
of course look at my music first. So they had
they wanted to use the song I did called Squeeze
the Trigger off my first album, and.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
But the movie was already done.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
You got a movie still, so they got they got
They got this scene with Don Chietle in it, you
know rocket, he was listening to my song. So I'm like, well,
let me if you want to if you want to
use my song. Let me see the movie.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
That's just right accent. Damn.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
So I got to see the movie. So I'm looking
at the movie. I'm like, Okay, there's some wrong shit
in it because at the time the Blacks wasn't fighting
the Mexicans, you know, there was some other stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
But I'm like, it still kind of gives.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
You an overall. You know, the most real ship is
when you see the tank in the county with thirty
eight hundred and the Crips and the Bloods across with
the fence. Yeah, that was a powerful yeah, but they
never let that man niggas out at the same time.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
But wait, wait, wait, scene again.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
There's where you see them coming at the crypt module
and you see the crypt module on one side and
the Blood module on Yeah, okay, okay, and they're in
that Yeah. Well, no, they never let that many people out.
And also, in jail, you don't wear all the colors
like that. Oh you know, so they let them in jail.
You're in a uniform by this point, but they showed
it like that to kind of you know. So I'm

(47:21):
sitting there so I'm like, I'm not gonna quicktiupe that out.
I'm happy they're making the movie now. When they wanted
to do the movie, first they said, let's shoot it
in Chicago, and then Dennis Hopperson, let's shot it in La.
The people said, we have gangs in LA that oh,
so it would have been about Chicago. Well, they didn't.
They wanted to make a movie about gangs, but they
didn't know there were gangs in LA. That year, three

(47:43):
hundred and sixty kids had died, almost one a day
in LA, but no one even it wasn't spoken. It's
like black lives matter, No one talks about us. We
were just getting killed. So so I'm like, okay. So
I watched the movie, so I said, do they have
a title song? And they had a song, and if
you want to track the movement, get the color soundtrack.

(48:04):
B side last record is a song by Rick James
called Colors. It's wack. It's like Rick James, look at
all these colors, you know, Rick James out. So I'm like, nah,
I can't fuck. So I told Africa Islam, who was
producing me at the time, I said, let's make a record.
I said, I know this gang ship like the back

(48:25):
of my hand. I mean, let's take him in the
brain of a gang banger.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
So at the time I was vibing here's another something
you never know.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
I was vibing off for Kings Sons record Mythological mytho logical,
my myth, the myth a lot. Remember, he comes on
when I get ill, it's a reason because it's the season.
Why I am a nightmare walking psychopath talking that.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I think, rap.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
You're influencing each other. You're not biting because you never knew.
But I'm I'm like, yo, I'm coming in like King's
son because he said when I get ill, it's a
reason because it's duck season, Hunter of the Front.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
You know, I like that.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Shit is hard.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
If I just came in, I am a nightmare walk
in psycho bath talk, same shit. So I wrote the song,
did the video. It was so big people thought I
was in the movie. People walking to me like, y'all
saw you in color.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
In Colors. Yeah, not in the movie. And I saw
the movie so many times. But now that movie the
song might be bigger.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
That movie was single handley the introduction to California lifestyle
and put.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Me in the game. Because all my other records I
was still bubbling, but that was a national hit. I
mean that crossed all and that, and everybody wanted to
see the guy that made color.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
So I went out on the Dope Jam tour.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
With Eric B and Rock Kim, Dougie Fresh, CuMo d
bizmarcky uh and and I was out there with them.
I was on the West West coast.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Have been crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
We performed that song and that we shut him down.
And you know, it's funny because Eric B and them
was kind of like, you know, l a niggas. They
had that New York ship going and they you know,
they had to change and Supreme Uh Mathematics screaming great
magnetic was out of it from the sept comes of Brooklyn.
So we got we My intel had told me, you know,

(50:23):
I've got my own intel. I'm like the CIA that like, okay,
he's the one. Watch him, he's a shooter.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
We watch him. Who are these niggas. I don't walk
in there. I don't walk I know.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
What's going on. So they was like, okay, this one's live.
And there's one right there and he's cool. So they
was looking at us. They had no idea who we were.
And we showed up.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
They was like, oh, these are l A gang members,
like this is crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
We had all the we had just the same ship
they had, but the West Coast version of it. And
when I hit the scene, I came out and I
opened with Colors on the tour and this ship rocked
like I just.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Came out that that should give you, do you?

Speaker 1 (50:59):
And stadium rage and all of a sudden, car rests
once start talking to me.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Everybody on the.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Door realized that I was pulling my weight out of here,
and we all became close friends where I came and
I are friends today, but they re sized me up
about the gate.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
No, but did you understand that Colors in a way
like right now you can look at you going to
the Harlem and I'm sure because you live in New
York for real, right Like you're not a fake guy
who just visits New York, New York Jersey. You around,
You've been around places i'd be at.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
I'm like dad over that. Yeah, So did you ever
think that from Colors.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
That New York would be gang banging the way New
York is? I still don't truly understand it. Like I
roll with Tretch a lot right in tresh he blood
it's over in Jersey with the bloods. But you know,
I can't really get it, totally understand it. But one
thing I do understand is respect a nigga with a gun.

(52:00):
You know. You know, I'm gonna walk up to a
nigga say, well, you a fake gang banger. You're like, yeah,
this is a fake bullet.

Speaker 8 (52:11):
Take this, you know.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
You know, when you're from LA and you hear guys
in other cities saying they're Hoover crips, but they never
seen the street, or they're you know, you know whatever,
you know, their sixties, but they're from Florida.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
So I'm like, how is that possible?

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Sixties is the street, and the sixties all of them
are thirties of the street. The forties are a street
h S eighty third Street. It's usually the hottest street
in that ten block radius. Is the street that gets
named like one eleven's twelve. Oh So so you know,
I learned, but I know how it happened. What happened

(52:49):
was when the drug trade really hit and it stopped
coming through Florida, it started to come through Mexico. I
shouldn't even tell this story.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Nobody listens to us US game and this is old game.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
But what happened was the coke became less expensive than California,
and as it moved across the country, it became instantly
like a key with double.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
So everybody in LA was trying to put the game
on the road.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
So you got a cousin in Seattle, right, So you
send a couple of homies up to Seattle, and you say, okay,
at this point, y'all niggas playboy gangster crips because that's
what set me from And these niggas are from Seattle
and they don't really know about it. But then there's
some real lifeboat and we take these niggas and get
them khakis and shit like that. Then maybe you might
send a nigga from LA to put some work in.

(53:38):
They ain't never seen violence like that before. You know,
they turned out and they move and wait, and this
happens all over the country. Niggas coming from Saint Louis.
So there's somebody from LA that took that gang out there.
Now are they respected in LA well to an extent,
But you can't come I don't care if you're from whatever,

(53:58):
Wyoming or whatever. And you come to LA and you
actually in Hoover's hood and you claiming Hoover you're gonna
bow down that street, that actual street. The nigga's on
that block, that's the g's So you know, I was
up in Harlem and I met some bloods, right, So
I was like, yeah, a nigga I used to blood

(54:20):
some I'm like like that. I said, okay, like that
he said you was the crypt right, and they're like yes,
it was cool. I'm like, well, you ain't cool with me,
you know, like if your nigga's really banging, right, I said, well,
gang banging is the act of murder. So then they
was like they was like, I said so much, said
show me a blood sign. So they did like this.
I was like, turn it upside down. I said that's
a blood sign too. They were excited. They were like, yeah,

(54:43):
that's a pirute. Okb okay, so he does a bad
I just turned it upside I said that's a blood sign.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Like I'm giving him gang tutoring. They were like thank you.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Like I was like, man, but nobody that comes from
that wants it to happen. The gang thing happened when
we were young kids was out there, we were protecting
the neighborhood, and it got taken out of control once
the drugs came in. Once the drugs came in, it's
split into little sets. So now cryps is fighting crips.

(55:15):
Blood niggas don't care what color.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
So you're saying back then, crips wasn't fighting Chris because
it seems like crips always.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Have beeper Crypt No no, no, no no no.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
If you was a crypt, was a cry But now
it's sets. The sets just splintered. They splintered. So say,
for instance, we all won Crypt set and then you
got the sack and you, like nigga, we the nor
re crypts now us for this splinter And that's what happened, he.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Said, because the price of the drugs went down, like
when Escobar went down and it all started going through Mexico.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
That greed, it's creedy. It's just greed. It's like changing trading.
Yeah yeah, the trade came to La, but greed, greed,
it's just you.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
He's the boss. You start counting his money.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
As soon as the side nigga starts counting the bosses money,
you have the potential or deceit anything. It happened, so
you always telling me, man, nor he's making a little
bit too much money.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Why are you counting the boss's money?

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Man? Why are you worrying about what he's making? And
eventually you're gonna say, man, let's go this way. And
that happens in any type of.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
Organization, gang culture. Let me ask you a question, and
gang culture, can there ever be one leader or no?

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yeah, the leader of each set. I rolled with a
dude named Tony Bogart who was the leader of Imperial
Courts of the PJ.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Watts Crips, which is a whole project.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
And I seen him walk into a like a wreck
room a room, and I've seen a hundred niggas stand
up and like when he and get quiet until he
came in and they sat down. I'm like, yo, you
know that was a g but they killed him. Wow,
you know he's gone. I mean, you know, the thing
about gang membership, the thing about crime period is everyone

(56:52):
is a liar, a cheater, a thief, a double. I mean,
you're dealing with a group of bandits, so anything can
fucking happen. You know, you hope there's loyalty inside of it,
but you're dealing.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
A bunch of murderers.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Everyone is cold blooded, you know, to your your idea
is to get the fuck out of there as soon
as possible. You know. That's why I'm square as a
pool table twice as green. I wouldn't still a nickel
off the mantlepiece. Man, I'm not really, I'm not really,
you know. I'm fortunate I live through it, but it's
not what I'm about no more. I don't want to
live like that. Man.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
That's just crazy.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Now, Ice, you survive the h the scrutiny from the
cop killer record?

Speaker 1 (57:32):
You you you?

Speaker 4 (57:32):
You pull out the Colors records. Color records bring you everywhere?
Now where is Ice at when he hears n w
A the ball Plice?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Well, you remember where us that? When you well, I
knew you know, I knew n w A because n
w A used to open for me.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
We used to go out.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, you just said that, man, nonchalotly. I had to
be around Colors too as well.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
You're gonna do Cube take out nw A. We would
all tour together, would be NWA iced t DC. And
then when Easy put out his record, they split it
and they tried to, you know, do Easy with another group,
and we would all go all over the place together.
We used to fight together. We used to get out
there and get it gone because we were West Coast,
you know, Cuban Mayor like brothers.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
I love Cube like we were close. I used to
when they.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Came out with fuck the Police. We was out there rapping.
We was out there rapping, and they hit him in
the head with that, I'm like, oh shit. But see,
I always knew the first time you heard it was
on tour though, yeah, because Easy and them were playing
it before they dropped it. So I heard it on
the radio. I'm like, oh, y'all niggas about to go there.
Cause I used to say I used to say fuck
the police on my shows, right, So I don't When

(58:44):
I would before I would do six in the morning,
I would go out and I would say, Yo, the
police told me I can't do this song right. And
then I would like, get the audience pipped up, and
I was like, yo, I say fuck the police, and
the crowd went crazy. So maybe a little light went
off in Easy's head, like I have something right here.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
I say that.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
But I used to say, I say I had an echo.
I said, my name is iced T.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
I gotta rep like a killer killer. No one gets Wilder,
no one gets illa Illa. I don't get high, I
don't drink Miller Miller. But if your girl's empty, I'm
sure I can fill it filler. I make stupid ass
records because I just don't care. Motherfuckers can't even play
my ship on the air. But y'all know you like it,
you say you want more, because every time I leave

(59:29):
the crib to go to the store, I hear six
in the morning police at my door. I was with
them at the time, and you know, it was it was.
It was a movement, and I always knew and to me, honestly,

(59:51):
nw A I needed n w A because I was
by myself and to have four more cats.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Roll yeah, yeah, yeah. We weren't enemies.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
So it's like, and you know now, they would always
hit harder than me because I'm one rapper versus a
gang of motherfuckers rapping, and it sounds better when people
are spitting on top of each other.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
But and then they wrote some incredible records. Then they
had Jack No Drag the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
No No, they're from different areas, Cubans from one hundred
and twentieth Street. I'm from the forties and like so
I knew dub cub C used to be beat box
for Clientele who was in the Wrecking gl So, but
that's the thing. LA is a small tree, like you
guys are hip hop Oh here is a big tree.

(01:00:39):
Everything in LA is either NWA and who they became,
the syndicate, my crew and who they became, which included
Cyprus Hill which crew's ever last when and in Latin
them or a few groups that were on Delicious Vinyl,
which was Tone Lok and Young MC.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
So if there's beef in LA, you could call me
Q Snoop, you know, and shut.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
It down because there's only it's everyone that comes up
from under us. So that's why the only time there
was ever bee from the West Coast was family feud
when they fought and everybody just had to step back
because How'm gonna get between Easy and Q when I know,
you know, it's a family fuse.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
So when Fuck Devolice came out, did you know exactly
what they was gonna go through at that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I had no idea because because you were the first,
we were hardcore wrapped though they weren't really fucking with
us like that. I didn't have no idea that the
police would intervene. I had no idea they were actually
gone through the body counting yet. Yeah, we were going
through cursing ship. None came out first. Yeah, yeah, you know,

(01:01:46):
I got my history fucked. Yeah. I thought cop Killer
came off. No, no, no, cock Killer didn't come out
to Uh. Body count didn't come out to the OG
album came out, So that was later. But they did
it first, and we were already getting in Trump for cursing.
This is how bullshit shows at shows. Remember this, If

(01:02:08):
you curse, we're gonna arrest you. That was you can't curse.
So they would show up at the shows and show
us that ship, and then what we would do is
we would do the show and the cops would be
on the side, and they used to shut the lights
off and I would jump off into the pit and
run out the side, so we would run from the
cops and then we would get the tour bus and

(01:02:29):
we would.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Get to the next state. He really paved the way
for us.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
That's just one of the total perspectives when a person
says it like that. Because Luke said it, and I
thought Luke was being bad, I didn't know Luke was
being bad for cursing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
I thought Luke was being bad for being vulgar and
the Bible belt when you're down there, Oh yeah, that's
that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
They were running that kind of still, like that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
They would show up at the show with a piece
of paper that says, if you curse, we will shut
the show. That wow, And and that was my cue
to go harder, like, yo, fuck that. You know what
I'm saying, We're gonna come out here. And I would
always say the police warn me, and you know, that
just got the shit even more crazy and stuff like that.
But but my whole thing was I had already been

(01:03:16):
breaking the law, right so so whatever this charge was
was nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
I was like, compared to what I was doing. I'm
gonna go to Jeniffer talking kids, my motherfucking ass, let's go,
you know. And I had money, and I'm like, we'll bail.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
I mean, I knew it was a petty charge, so
I'm like, you know, So that that was that. We
used to run from the police a lot. I remember,
we had a big ass fight. We had. We had
lots of fights out there on the road because when
we would come to towns. They would they want to
test you. Remember the big nagus of you. Easy come here, Easy,
like they wanted to see Easy, Like you know, so

(01:03:51):
Easy was small, so he wouldn't want to really just
I'm always like, take me to your leader type nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
I'm six foot tall.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
I'm like, let's go. We can go a couple up
in this bitch, let's go. So I never really felt
I had no problem with street niggas. When I got
to Detroit, I'm like, take me to your leader. Let
me see who the toughest nigga is. I'll befriend him,
and I'm good. I'm not here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I'm here to entertain you anyway. I'm not your enemy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I'm not here to sell your drugs, to take your block,
which you need some backsage passes?

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Is he the ball came up? Now we're good. Yeah,
we good, nig You're good. Now I got security.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
That's how I played it everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
And it's like quick said, Quick said, everywhere is like calm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
To remember the joint. Yeah that's what if you're smart,
if you know, I mean the same thing you do
in prison.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Like shit, I was just about to say that's so
before we get into all that. How did ice t
wind up in the Army.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
I got in the army because when I was in
high school, I got my girlfriend pregnant. I was I
just got out of high school and I graduated early.
I was an a student. I was on the honor roll,
all that shit. I graduated twenty we report card. I
was out. I had all my credits, and I started
trade technical college. I wanted to do by. I can

(01:05:06):
paint cars, I can do all kinds of body and
fender and all that kind of shit. That was what
I thought I was gonna do it, pick slow riders.
I was into cars. I always been in the cars.
And I got my girl pregnant because I didn't really
know how easy it was to get a girl pregnant.
You know. I was just like a young dage, was
not style.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
I wasn't getting that much pussy up to that point,
you anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Nah, So I got it pregnant, and I was like, fuck,
so now I got a baby coming. And I'm a
small time hustler, you know, doing small bullshit, you know,
stealing car radios.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Nothing, drugs hadn't come.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
To nothing that, nothing had come up that was going
to make me rich. And I was also very athletic.
I was in gymnastics in high school. I was doing
you know, parallel bars, crunch your highest crunch. Yeah, So
I was strong. I was very strong. So they had
an enlisting office on crench Yaw and I just walked

(01:06:02):
in there and I was like, you know, I got
to get out of the game because I got a kid.
And so I went in there and and I just
basically was picking uniforms. I was like, well, what's that, nigga,
that's infantry. You get twenty five hundred dollars bonus. I'm like, word, okay.
And he said that red beret, that's airborne, you get
another twenty five hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
I was like, I can't come home in no red beret.
You didn't I couldn't wear no red I was like yo.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
So then I said the next one was the Black Beret,
which were the Rangers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Serious?

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
I like that because that was like the Black Panthers, right,
And then the next one was special Forces the Green Beret.
But that was fifty two weeks of basic or AI
T wait sold on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
You was about to join the army, and they tried
to offer you red you use none.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Why when I went in this nigga when they refused
the army for red, Well, when I went in there,
I was picking uniforms. I just was like, what am
I going to look like? And then they was like,
well this is regular infantry. This this call Mike moves
on an interview just right here. If you go, you know, airborne,

(01:07:05):
you get to wear red beret. And I was like,
I can't come home and no red beret. You did
what I'm saying. I was like, I can't come to
my neighborhood. Okay, yeah, so that's what it was. So
then I had a black beret and a green beret,
so I picked a black beret. And uh, facically, it's
just a bunch of training, bunch of athletics ship. If
as long as you have a good cardio, you could
do it, you know, but you just got to be disciplined.

(01:07:27):
You got to get used to people yelling in your face,
and kind of home Rangers is kind of tough. H Well,
you know, if he was an army, you know, it's
fentimental ship. They're gonna yell at you, they're going to
try to fuck you up mentally. But then you gotta
you know you deal.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
You sleep up from neighborhood. So how did you how
did how did you did you do? Accept the discipline
you got to you want to have to the hood
is in the military.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
But you know that, you know, like in that movie
Officer and a gentleman with the man said why are
you here? He says, I ain't got nowhere else to go.
That's the only way you're going to make it through
that training. You have to believe you have no options.
You can't. It's not something you just say, I just
think I want to do. You gotta be like, what
is my other option? I gotta do this? And so,

(01:08:09):
you know, the training was exciting to me, and the
athletic part was exciting to me. The discipline stuff, I
realized they was trying to mind fuck me. So I've
worked against that and I just knocked it out. But
you know it's just some uh you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Feel that any of those skills you learned in the
military helped you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Yeah, when I started robbing banks, Yeah, when I started yeah, yeah,
well when I came home.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
The social waters from out there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
When from the service, because I went to the Service
right out of high school.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Service and country, did you start a robbing country. Well
it wasn't my country. Sure you live on the podcast
with Iced Tea. It's capon y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
What's up baby?

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
What's up? Component I asked about you? Yeah, I told him. Hey, hey, listen, hey, listen, listen, listen.
How long you're gonna be around? I'm gonna be here.
This conversation might go all night. No, no, but they
going in. We're just getting the halfway. We're at the
halfway pointer. Baby. You know what I'm saying. Well, where
you at?

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Hey, Hey, I'm close. I'm not fun. I'm not fun.

Speaker 9 (01:09:23):
I come to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
You know, it's birthday, Happy birthday, and we celebrate the
birthday birthday compone. All right, dug daildun gil.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
I hear Ali were going for this this interview iseed team.
We're gonna hit you back you after you at the
yotel at the alright, one of.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
The That's funny when niggas be on the talking on
the phone, you got that and they be wiz kids out.
I don't know if they talk that ship way better
than you when I went.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
You hear what I said.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
When niggas be on the phone and may be wizz
kids out, I say, the fans talk that ship wave,
they break that ship down. He said, it's better talk
regular if you're not doing that much because the fast
book whatever. Oh my god, oh my god, hold up,
that was the that was the straight fucking just well,
that is not good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
M I didn't I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
I thought you helped me out my friend for no easing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
So what we were talking about, sorry, talking about robbing
ship the bank robbers.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
He got out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
My bank robbery.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
There's two ways to the bank, come after, all right,
just trying to do the right comes. So you know,
Ice team, we praised foul niggas and all right in
the way you described yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
You're trying to do.

Speaker 10 (01:10:45):
You're like, you're like the foul nigga president. You got
out the harmony and rob the banks. I'm trying to
do the right thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
But when I got home, when I when I left,
my niggas was small time criminals. When I came home,
they had elevated their game. So I'm like, so what
are y'all doing? They say, we robbing jewelry stores. We
get in check cash and boots, were getting credit unions,
you know, occasional banks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
You know what I'm saying that's like that a bank.
So I was like, so, what's to get down now?

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Due to the fact I had all that military training,
I was able to up the game up and I
told them, you know, basically, any operation deals with intelligence.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
The more you know about the mark, the better.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
So I added that to the game, like lots of
heavy duty case and lots of understanding what the alarms
and the response times was and stuff. So you know,
I mean, there's lots of ways to doing it. There's
what's caught. Like with jewelry, there's this basic snatch and
grab where you just walk in and get a watch
and run. There's basically the bash where you knock out

(01:11:50):
the glass and stuff. Then you've got the burglary, which
is a four or five nine. But if you're going
for the safe, now see I could give up some
game ship. Well, if you want to hit it, it's
all right, fuck it it burglary. If you're going to
rob a jewelry store, rob it at the time it
opens or the time it closes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Why why because it's safe soap right in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
So what you want to do is you want to
get there right when they let pulling the ship out
of the safe, right when they're pulling those flags out.
But that doesn't jewel That was when So once when
you see a jury story at night, when they close
that door at the last minute and they start to
and if you really want to time it, let them
lay the plaques up, let them get.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Everything out and up out of the window. Let them
do it for you so that everything is stacked.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
But right before it's getting ready to go in the safe,
that's when you want to hit them. And then you
know we're not going to give you the step by
step details. And also bottom line is anything you do,
you got to do it backwards, so it's not as
it's not as important. Where the lick is is where
you're gonna escape to, and that has to be like
a maze of how you're gonna get away. A lot

(01:13:06):
of you don't just do it and then say, now
where do we run this? All that is all thought
out one way where you know we use motorcycles on
one way streets. I could I could take a motorcycle.
I could hit the jewelry district over here and put
a bike in. All I'm gonna do is hit one
way streets backwards, right, So they can't get but then
do they got helicopters under the ground, Like if you know,

(01:13:27):
the best way to get away from a high speed
chase is take them into a parking structure, not out
on the street, a parking structure where now the cops
got to stay outside, they can only come in one.
Then you can ditch the car and you can go
through the steps. And yeah, so all this stuff, it's
shit I did for years anyway, and and you're gonna

(01:13:49):
end up getting killed or murdered at some point because
but yeah, I done it, and uh whatever, bank bank.
But the thing of it is, most of the times,
the two ways you rob a bank, you play a note,
you play a teller. You go for the vault. What

(01:14:10):
you saw on the heat is a takeover robbery where
they would take the whole vault. That that's a lot
of exposure.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
I was around cast and winning the vault and stuff
like that. But you gotta you're gonna be in there
a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Most times people just walk up and play the note
and just get the one teller or you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Said a note, how did you the note?

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
You just walk up and you just say I got
a gun. Give me the money, and that is hand
you the month fuck of money. That's called playing a note.
That's an easy that's the easiest way robbed bank. It
doesn't matter. The thing well, that's that's that's those are impacts.
They still got them. Yeah then yeah, but you know what,

(01:14:55):
at the end of the day, I feel very uncomfortable
talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
This stuff, you know, comfortable, right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
The thing of it is is I want And also
also like a lot of my friends are still incarcerated,
so you know, from they in there saying they didn't
do it, yeah, I am saying we did it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
You know that's not good.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
But yeah, but you know it was it was a
time and you know, uh, when I got that chance
to rap, I jumped in and I didn't you know,
because I knew my days was numbered in low digits.
I knew that that wasn't gonna last. When you're hustling
like that, you make a lot of money, then you
spend it. You make a lot of money, then you

(01:15:36):
spend it. You're up and down. Those are licks, you know,
and you make it and you spend it. And it
wasn't you know, I don't I didn't see a long
life like that. So when the rapping came along, I
was like, damn, you know I could do this. And
then I tried to rap like New York and the
niggas was like, rap about what we do. And then
we invent what we call the crime rhyme rhyme based

(01:15:59):
around that, and I got archives and archives of that ship.
So I started making stories in the stories, like I
call it faction, so it's its factual occurrence is put
into a fictional scenario. So things I'm saying, did that happen?
Did that really that happened? They couldn't not combine them.
So the story sounds really real because the ship really happened,

(01:16:20):
but just not in that particular order.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Now, does that make any sense correctly?

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
He briefly mentioned, I think it's we need to talk
about a little bit more rhyme syndicate, which might be
one of the first cruise of hip hop maybe BDP
and rhyme syndicates around the same era.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Yeah, and who who are the members of rhyme syndecks rhyme?
So nevertheless, House of Pain, you know Pain ever left?

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Yes, what happened was, you know, when I was trying
to when I decided I wanted to rap. I had
to kind of like leave my crime friends alone and
get with these rap niggas. Right, So I'm with all
these different rap people, and I would seem like I
was gonna make it first. So I said to homies,
I said, if I make it, I'm gonna try to
help y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
So I was reading up. I'm an avid reader, so
I was reading that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
You know, Lucky Luciano had started this thing called the Commission,
where it was a group of groups with one common goal.
A syndicate is an organization with a group of groups
of one common goal. So basically, we're not I'm not
the boss, You're the boss. You're the boss. You're the
boss of your own organization a network. But we agreed
to sit down and talk before we fight, right, So

(01:17:31):
that's what a syndicate is. So I wasn't I just
brought groups in. It's kind of like the West Coast
Zulu Nation, really kind of like, but I knew LA
wasn't really gonna ride with the Afro centric shit. There
was two gangsters. So I created a term called the syndicate,
and we had low Profile was in it, which was

(01:17:51):
dub c. Of course, when we had When we had Mugs,
Mugs was in a group called seven eighty three. At
the time, he was a DJ and course Everlast Divine styler,
Donald d Uh from the Bronx, where was ever lessons
from where Everless from l A.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
He was like from the valley and he had the
hair at the time. Remember when he came.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
He was brought to me by a guy named Bala
Dasher and ever Last first sounding like rock Kim when
I heard him.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
He was rapping.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Now new rappers were rapping someone else's voice, and I'm like,
right right, you know, and I'm like, you sound dope,
but you got to use your own voice, you know.
And so once he found his own voice, he started
to rap and stuff. But it was just my way
of I got Everlast a record deal, I got Divine
Style of a record deal, I did a compilation album.

(01:18:43):
It was just a way of me trying to help
West Coast niggas, you know, and and try to create
peace versus more which is not profitable educational.

Speaker 6 (01:19:05):
So now.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
New Jack City, which is New York City classic, but
that is so.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Disrespectful hip hop classic, man, I love those in my
eye relaxed because that's how.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
That's how much to me?

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
New Jack City is not only a New York class, right,
it's not only a hip hop class.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
It's not only it's a worldwide class cinematic.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
But I need to know you as being the most
gangster risk gangster you you you had the sixties on
your back when it wasn't cool to say the sixties.
You had the crypt ship on your back when it
wasn't cool to say the cript ship. You had to
gang ship on your back when it wasn't cool to
say the ship. And now you get presented with this

(01:19:57):
raw as a co Yeah, at that time it would
have been controversy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
But it's a joint called New Jack City, and they're
saying that it's based on this guy was just not
Nino Brown, because Nino Brown is a fatition.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Based on some cats from from from New York City
and also somebody from the Bay from Frisco Brothers or
something like that thought catch Money Brothers from New York.
I met the actual guy that said he was.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
They feel it. Just told me wait wait wait, okay,
cast Money Brothers. Yeah, I got that, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
Right, but.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
How does they even approach you?

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Okay, so what happened with New jack City was they
wanted to make this movie and they had they had
written the movie, and they didn't know who they were
going to get. And at the time, there was just
not there just wasn't a lot of black actors. Now
there's hundreds of black hackers. But at the time, Wesley
Snipes had only done Major League. He was, you know,
he loved Major right, but that was he wasn't a

(01:21:08):
big known actor. So George Jackson and Dougman Henry, the producers,
they just had a brainstrom. They said, let's just take
people from pop culture. Ice is selling millions of records.
He's a little, you know, kind of little pro protest
pro that let's get him. Let's get Chris Rock. He's
the most grimy new So he just took all the

(01:21:29):
people that they knew that were hot and different, and
so let's make a lot of us.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Never knew who Chris Rock was. Let's let's let's see
if they can act.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
So I'm in a club and Mario Van Peoples was
in the club and he says to me, he heard
me in the roof.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
He said he heard me in a toilet.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
I was talking ship to somebody in the bathroom, in
the toilet.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
I was in the bathroom, and I was on my ship.
I was like saying, I say that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
I said, yeah, nigga, if the motherfuckers can get a
microscope and find one molecule of me that gave a fuck,
then they can angle me. But they can't angle me
because it's not a molecule there that gives a fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
So he said, whoever said that's gonna be the star
of my movie?

Speaker 6 (01:22:13):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
So I was on this on my ice t shit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
So I'm out there and now now I'm parlay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
In with three females talking my bullshit, you know, trying
to sell him a dream. So I'm in the middle
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
And then he walks over says, a Ice, would you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Like to be in a movie? Some I'm like, Hollywood bullshit? Right,
who Mario Mario? I'm like, Hollywood bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
You just people hit the old Mario Ron people says
that was the main cop.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Yeah, yeah, and his father was in Sweet Sweet Back,
bad Ass song. He's a gee Melvin Van Peoples. So
he hits me with this bullshit about being in a movie.
So I'm like, nigga, youre just trying to talk to
these girls, like, you know, I introduced him to the females.
He's like, most serious. Show up at Warner Brothers tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
We got this.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
So we change numbers and you were already on Warner
Brothers as a record. Everything around One Brothers at the time.
So I show up at his thing and I look
at the script. I'm expecting I'm gonna get four or
five lines. So I read Scotty's part and I'm like, yo,
this is the whole movie. Son, like really, Like, I'm
not an actor. He said, you can do it like this.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Nigga got dreads like I gotta. I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Like, and they were like, and he's a cop. I'm like,
I don't know. I don't know. So I got home,
I start talking to people, you know, I talk to
my boys. I'm like, Yo, they want me to play
a police in the movie. Man, what you think we
could I be in the movie.

Speaker 11 (01:23:40):
About Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Niggas from jail was calling me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
I'm like, yo, yeah, blah, yeah, yeah, we sent the
package and all that, but uh, yeah, you know, I
know you in the bowels of the Devil. I understand
the man. They want me to play the police, right now,
what do you feel about that in the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Were if I was out, could I be in the movie?
So no one was saying no.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Everybody was like, nigga, that's an opportunity positive. And then
then the girls where I used to get my hair did.
I used to get my hair done twice a week.
I had my shit permed up, you know, more wavy
than the ships in the navy. You know, you know,
you got to keep sharp and staying nice up in
this bitch saying I got out match a motherfucking woman
before I can she can understand what I'm saying. I
was sharp, so I was sharp. And the girls at

(01:24:20):
the beauty parlor, they was like nothing from the hood.
I called the beauty parlor. I'm not no fucking salon.
It was like I said, they want me to pill
the police. They're like, you gotta do it, nigga, because
you're gonna be one of the real niggas. And when
you get older, you ain't gonna forget the hood, and
you're gonna tell everybody what the fuck's going on, nigga.
And if you don't do this movie, don't come back
up in this month fucking right. So the sisters sent

(01:24:42):
me out on that mission and I did the movie.
I was shitting nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
But now did they know this, this this story took
place in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Didn't matter. It was just an opportunity, opportunity, you know, Nordy,
I believe this man. We come from a background with
no opportunities, and we always are, you know, upset about that.
When you get an opportunity and you don't take it,
and you're a real live sucker.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
You know what I'm saying. You're a real live sucker
because you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Mention, you mentioned about it, and now you get it
and you don't take it, and you got to put
the jets on when you get that opportunity, because they
don't get them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
We don't get them.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
So I got that opportunity, so you took it. I
went and I tried my best to do the movie.
I was nervous. This is at the same time Original
Gangster came out. This is my biggest album. I was platinum.
I was like, yo, like I'm like, fuck this all off.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
But then you're not telling me you had a choice
between going on tour this album and do New Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
It was no tour at the time, but my album
was hot. So I at k New Jack City, was
can I risk this and fu up my record? It's
my record is hot.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
But but now, when you got the script, did they
tell you the actors that was attached to it?

Speaker 9 (01:25:50):
Didn't?

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
I didn't care, and I had a record out original
game that was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
The and and ruin everything that I got going and
what my niggas accept me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
I was worried.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
You know, I've always been more concerned with my friends,
my close friends, whether they're in prison or home. That's
been my thermometer on what if I'm doing what's right.
I got to keep their respect. And my niggas is
straight niggas, and they love going the word nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Hey hold, but I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Telling you to my niggas ain't corny niggas. They told me, Yo,
a hustle is supposed to get the money by any means,
by the path of least resistance, and television has a
lot less resistance than twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Five a life niggas. So you do the right thing,
get that paper, I start planning.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Do your numbers. So so now I'm I'm where was
I Jackson? Jackson?

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Yeah, New jack City. You were contemplating whether whether to
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
I was struggling, but I did the damn movie and
it was successful, and I is scared. Like they said,
we're gonna put dreads on you because we want people
not to just see Ice Tea. We want them to
give them a chance for you to be another character
that they're so familiar with. How you look it throw
them off. And I remember I went to the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Movies like after three days after it came out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
I was sitting behind some niggas and I heard them, niggas,
look at Ice Tea with.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
That motherfucking head on. Nigga, look crazy, motherfucker man in
the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
You ain't let you want yelling. I'm like, yeah, you
did it too right. I wanted to get a real
response in the nigga. About about ten minutes into the movie,
fifteen minutes I'm chasing Chris Rock, They're like, get it, Scotty.
They start calling me Scotti the name. I'm like that
was was like yo, it's piss. But I was like,

(01:27:48):
I'm pulling this ship like they're rolling with me. Did
the movie was a huge success. No negativity. Hip hop
embraced me, and everybody know. Nobody even tripped off the
cop thing. They was like, nigga, you acting, that's a job.
And I've been rolling like that ever since. You know,
like acting is act.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
So that was your first movie, world that you fell
in love with.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
On the first movie, I actually got to speak, you know,
I was. I was in those other movies breaking back
in the day. I was a feature rap talking.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
But then you then you get the call about to
do a movie with Denzel ship.

Speaker 12 (01:28:26):
We got Elliott Wilson h Ambulance, but you get the
call that was my next movie, the Denzel movie.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Yeah, from Joel Silver, one of the biggest producers in
the history. He does the Matrix.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
What was the name of this movie? Ricky set with
Denzel and.

Speaker 4 (01:28:48):
Because because this is the crazy shit, Denzel is not Denzel,
He's He's he's dead.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
He ain't got the Zel yet.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
He just yeah, and you do this movie?

Speaker 4 (01:29:02):
Did you know that this motherfucker is going to be
the illest actor in the world?

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
And did again? When did you didn't know that?

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
I knew he was. I mean to me, Denzel, Well
you heard of Denzel prior to that, but I just
knew Deenzel Washington was the big was the biggest actor
I ever worked with.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
You know, I remember I was just working with this
new people.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
I'm working with Judge Nelson on Denzel Well, I knew
Genzel Washington was.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
I was because Wesley wasn't really big. When we women
were loving Denzel that that was his ship.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
He was the pill.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
He's like Billy d Williams. Yeah, he was a nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
So when I met Denzel, he just he he came
down to my level. He was like, look, man, I've
been on television. I did this, and I'm just here
and we just getting ready to go do this. And
I never forget. I was in the first scene with him,
and uh, you know, these really good actors they'll laugh
and joke and they go action the bamn, they'll hit
their cares. Actor. No, that's not method, Okay. Method acting

(01:29:57):
is when the dickheads. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
I was on the set with a method actor and
I called him his real name, and I'm Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Like when it's crazy, they won't there that person, they
won't break, Like if they're playing a drug addict, they
gonna go out and sleep with real drug acts and
come to work dirty and all that old buttleh.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Fuck that acting is lying. Acting is lying.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Like if I say if I said, the next person
who comes in the door, make him convince him you're
my manager. That's acting, right. So they said what do
you learn how to act? I'm like, stand in front
of a jug. I mean, Denzel was talking and he

(01:30:51):
was joking. Then they said action and then Nigga jumped
into character on me and I flogged my line and
Nigga did like this. He was like, come on, nice,
what's that? And I was like, oh, that's how we're
getting down. Like he's shown me like, come on, like
we can we joke, but I'm gonna hit my line.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
So that's when I was like, I want to learn,
just like that dude on the Ricochet.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
But that's when I'm my first chance learning somebody who
could you know when actors do that? And that was
then Zel, it's almost like they going through their legs
with the ball they playing with you. They're like, I
already acting Pam and they hit the ship and then
they'll come out of and start telling other jokes. You're like,
whoa's some dope ship right here?

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
So I always wanted to learn how to act like him,
and uh, you know that. But Denzel wasn't like he
wasn't the oscar Ward winning that that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
But to a bum nigga like me, he was.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
I was like nobody in the acting world.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
I was a rapper. Like, how the hell am I
even on screen with Denzel Washington? Really? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
So I'm one of my keys is humility and bought
to kick y'all out the hold this whole side of
the section B smoke and ship niggas is hitting wax
and all. I gotta pay for this.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
You know, I didn't get any money for that, Like
New jack City. I gotn't get twenty six thousand dollars
New Jackson.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
And paid it paid.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
You get Royal t eighty million, eighty million bucks probably
one hundred million by now, I know, no royalties. I
got paid scale my first movie. And that's just how
it goes. That's it.

Speaker 8 (01:32:33):
Yeahs and and that that's not that's not That's just
how the game they couldn't used, but it's what it
took them to the next level.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
How do you negotiate? You have no leverage?

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
Who are you?

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
They'll get another nigga, They'll get motherfucking a cake. They
put chuck in a fucking wig. I know even there
they d in there wrapping. You know, I knew everybody
knew that replaced you. So so after that, when I
went to go see Joe Silver, I thought I was
gonna get paid. So I walked to there. I'm like, yeah, well,

(01:33:09):
you know a last movie, you know made a lot
of money. You know what I'm saying. I know I'm
about to get paid. Now, he goes ice Tea, you've
done one movie, stuck it to me again. So that
movie I got like forty eight for less work this rick.
I didn't get any money in movies until I did

(01:33:29):
tank Girl, where I played the kangaroo.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
I didn't even hear a tank What is this movie? Movie?

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
A movie called tank Girl with Lori Petty and I
played a I played listen I'm doing. I'm making a
movie with Keanu Reeves called Johnny Neumonic. I'm in Canada.
So I get a call from my manager. She said,
will you play a stripper in Arizona? I said, you
want to fucking right, I'll play a stripper in Arizona.
So that night I did like two thousand set ups.

(01:33:58):
I'm like, yo, I'm gonna be right. Yeah, I'm ready
to get my sex, said going. So the next day
they send me a picture this kangaroo and it was like,
I was like, what am I strippers a kangaroo? They
know you're a ripper.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Stripper a ripper, A ripper is a mutated person.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
I'm like, what's theme of the movie. The movie's Tanker
and she sounds so generic. I was like, yo, am
I not with Keanu Reeves? They need it? I mean,
what the fuck is going on? And they told me
how much money I was getting. I was like, I've
learned the bunny hop. No, that was that my first

(01:34:39):
I got a nigion dollars and you ain't never seen it.
I was like, oh yeah, if you google Tanker right now,
I look crazy, right Huh. It's like it's like a
mute because he called a mutated person and they it's

(01:35:04):
it's about like some sci fi ship. Yeah, like a
fight over water and tank girl iced tea. You're gonna
see a picture of me the game.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
Okay, So while we pulling it up, Yeah, I want
to respect my brother Charlie, Charlie's brother for twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Years, and he can. He dove right into it. Look
at this, Look at his pictures. We're gonna see that's me.
But you got a million for that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Yeah, twenty two days, twenty two days in that ship
that cjer is that No, that's that's Stan Winsy, that's
Stan Winston. That's five piece applications. That's all same, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Watch you gotta put it on the cameras. Fucked that movie.
We gotta show it to the cameras. So now, yeah,
that was tank Girl. So that was you know, and
and the thing it was.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
And now I'm at this point where I'm just taking
jobs and I'm rolling with it and they're coming in
so I'm like, shoot, you know, I'm starting to make
money now finally.

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
So now you consider that, you consider the actor. You're
killing every role you get. Then cus I comes see
Law Order.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
The same ship to me, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Can do that, y'all?

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Take a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Every time we say relaxed, Yeah, if you if you're
watching it, take a shot. Listen. So Law and Order Doom, doom. Yeah,
the sounds that they come to you and they say
what they say. Okay, little pre pre story.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
At my first time working with Dick wolf Food, the
executive producers that is in New York Undercover. Yeah, make
I was at I was at my house in l A.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Hold hold on, hold on, hold on, Benzina, come on,
what's wrong with you? What's over? You don't even want
to ask him for that? Buttery fingers? You have buttery fingers?

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Yo?

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Menzino you live on the podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
Zo up.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
We're here with Ice Team.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Benzino's Ice? What's happening?

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Baby?

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Here with Ice Team?

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
What? What's good? Man?

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
All that you in New York?

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
All right, and this out we have five forty one Lexington.
I'm the w Hotel. Come through.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Okay, cool?

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
You know my last name? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Don't see how they treat me so so New York
got the cover.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
I was with Fab five Freddy in my house and
well you on New York Coach the cover as well.
I was on three times. I played a guy named
Danny Yup and Andre Hirel was talking to Fab five Freddie.
Fab five was like, I'm at ice teas crip, he said,
put ice tea on the phone. He's like, yeah, you
gotta come on my show, New York Undercover. Andre was
part of that. I'm like, I told him, nigga, that's

(01:38:04):
a rip off of New Jack City, you know, New
York Undercover.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
I said, you, what's that? Too young?

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
I didn't know that. That's why I'm here to clarify.
So so anyway, he's like, yeah, well come on the show,
and I'm like, all right, you know I don't. I'm
doing movies now, nigga. And then he was like, oh
a rights, you too big?

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Now you know how they do that?

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
Like, I was like, all right, well, give me a
bad guy role and I'll play it because I've been
playing poly I said, give me a bad guy role.
So there was this role called Danny Up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
I played it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
I get a call from Dick Walking, we don't want
to kill you. At the end of the episode, will
you do more? And I fought with him. We renegotiated
and got a better room. Move me from a bullshit
hotel to the four seasons. I did two more episodes.
I shot, I shot Maligo, Malik Yo was Earl and
I just wowed out. So after I did that show,
I did a show for him called Swift Justice. I
played a bad guy. I did Law and Order. I

(01:39:07):
played a pimp. They killed me with a bowl and pin.
Then I had a show called players on TV. That
was my own show with costas Man Lauren Frank Hughes. Okay,
when those shows were over, Dick Wolf, he says, I
wish I had a stronger vehicle for you, right, meaning
you got it. But so I'm like cool. So I
was back in l A doing my business, doing my ship,

(01:39:28):
trying to create iTunes. I was trying to create MP
three bass that we could put rap music on and
people could get it go straight to MP three.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
Niggas was looking at me like what is MP three?
Niggas was like that'll never work. Never, never work.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
Niggas ain't getting rid of these CDs. So I'm like, no, Niggas,
it's a digital f I was like, niggas like this
before Napster after that. It was during the time Napster
was doing it. But my thing was, I will take
your album. I would digitally. I was gonna create iTunes.
I would take your album. I would put it onto
a website where we would download it for money. iTunes

(01:40:04):
stones where I was.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
I was yeah, and I was gonna and.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Not only that, I was gonna do it regionally were
to be a map. What the fun man?

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Hello, let let's look yours up, Let them up, Let
them up?

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
All right? All right?

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
So, so my thing was it had a regional map,
so if you could go to like if you were
in Pennsylvania, it would have show all the rappers from Pennsylvania.
So it would break it down regionally because I knew
hip hop was regional, so you could do it. But anyway,
that was I was creating when I got the call
the dude s for you, and uh, I said no, Okay,

(01:40:54):
I said no because I had fifteen employees, I had
a databases, I had servers. I was trying to go
and then my boy, we had a little problem in
La where one of my buddies has set me up
to get robbed. Yeah right, now he's no longer with yeah,

(01:41:15):
so so, but basically one of my friends who I
looked out time to prison. He sent some people up
to my office and it was a robbery that took place.
So everybody finally figured it out, and it was a
little hostile moment. Everybody was worrying about what's going on,
and then then we figured out who did it, and
it was tension, you know, tension and shit.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
You know, my daughter was in the room.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
It was. It was an ugly situation.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
It's in my book.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
I wrote it in my book. So when it happened,
one of my boys from sixties, when they called an emperor,
he was he with me every day.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
So he was like, said, they offered me to do
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
He said, get out of town, man, get out of town.
You know, fuck it, it's four shows. It's what we're
gonna rob. You is some money here, like you know,
like you know, we weren't making no money yet in
the business yet. And he's like, I got this, So
I came out here to do four episodes for SVU
and it's been eighteen years. But then also the negative

(01:42:21):
negativity is also one of the reasons he say, gonna
shake to New York because of all this dramas going.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
On, because you know, how hard was it to adapt
to New York because right now you like just as
much as a New York Nigger than me.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
Well, I always loved New York. I always loved New
y I was actually born in Newark, New Jersey. My
mother passed when I was in the third grade. My
father when I was in the seventh. I lived in Summit,
New Jersey over there with my father, and then I
left to go to La when my father died, and
I was in La ever since my aunt his sister,

(01:42:55):
so I lived out there with them and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
So this brought me back. Music brought me back.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
I was coming out here to get because because to
me being a rapper, I had to get the coast
sign of New York. You can't be a rapper and
not have New York's coast sign.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
As far as I was concerned, already, happy birth I'm
gonna get up. Let's say happy birthday. You got a
good pony on.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Right now to.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Havy birthday, my brother you were doing. I'm gonna take
a whole.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Hands what.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Brother love? We like half through my life story here
these guys, and that's good. That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
I mean it's better for it to come from my
mouth to somebody continue please that bullshit. So when you
moved to l A, Yeah, yeah, so that that was.
That was when I moved to Cali with my aunt,
and you moved directly to where you lived in Cali. Well, no,

(01:44:20):
or no, I was living when I moved out there.
I was living in an area called View Park, which
is above Crenshaw and Vernon. It's like a nice area.
It's up in the hills, and I used to I
got bused to a white junior high school called like
you kind of situation. He was in Palms Junior High School.
Crenshaw High School was right down the streets. So when
I got to high school, I said, I ain't catching

(01:44:40):
the bus. And that's when I walked into the Shaw
and uh, that's what I say, an original gangster. How
I was introduced to the gangs. And I did a
song because that's how I'm living. I said, you know,
I was born in New Jersey. I said it before,
but against nobody heard me. My mother died young, no
sisters or brothers. I was the only son when I
I was young. My pops died too. What's a nigga

(01:45:02):
supposed to do? They sent me out west to live
with my aunt. I guess they thought that was the best.
But there was no love there and grown with no moms,
I guess I was prepared to live in a vacuum.
The bedroom, the kitchen, in the hall, the bathroom. I
didn't leave home much. I didn't like LA. I didn't
have no friends to trust. I got bussed to a
school blacks and whites. I guess the shit was cool,

(01:45:24):
but by high school I changed. I didn't want to bust,
I didn't want to play the game. I walked the
crunchy'll high. Shit was fly. I hooked up with a
new crew, some niggas that knew act like they knew
what the fuck to do. Now you may call it
a gang, but we called it a set, and it
was our own thing. The whole school was down, and
one way or another, everybody fucked around, whether hardcore or not.

(01:45:47):
You wore the right color, yeass got shot.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Ran.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
So yeah, that's how I ended up out there. So anyway, yeah,
I ended up on SVU eighteen years and uh bless her.
It was a very you know, the negative situation. Along
with my buddies insight.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
It's just what do you think about Dave Chappelle when
he made the skin about that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Dave Chappelle's a genius. It's it's gonna be hard to
find somebody as funny. It's Dave Chappelle. Like every once
in a while a comic genius comes out, like I
lived through Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy, but Dave Chappelle
just hits comedy from some other angle that niggas ain't agree,
ain't it's just abnormal. Like, you know, I'm a fan

(01:46:33):
of everybody, you know, I was just you know, I
love everybody. I was asked with Kevin Hart the other day.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
But Dave Chappelle, Kevin Hard, if you don't bring your
your monkey ass on here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Yeah, Kevin Mark's cool man.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
Yeah, Kevin's a businesspell Evin, Chris Rock, all them.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
But Dave bro Dave's comedy is is different. See Dave's natural.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
It's something different though, and he and he, I mean,
we did the player haters ball. He doesn't give a
fuck who writes that ship? But nasty, I'm gonna go
home and put some more milk in your mama's bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Who writes ship? Like? What was the event you? Actually?
I spent at an event in Miami. I think it
was the player Was it the player's ball in Miami
at Luke's Club?

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Oh, that was a player's ball. Probably.

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
I was DJing I have a picture and you're like
right next to me and told me you want you
wanted to rhyme and you're like play shook Ones part two?

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
Oh yeah, rhymed in that spot.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
Yeah, I was the one spending. Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
I have a picture.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
Okay, that's what's.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
I don't have it all a real picture.

Speaker 6 (01:47:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
I think me and Coco were in there that night,
So yeah, this is where I was gonna go.

Speaker 4 (01:47:45):
Before we go there, I'm I probably think You're probably
the first rap album I might have ever jerked off.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
It was the cover the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
That that was Power, Well you know what it was.
It was it was just like nobody was doing it.
Nobody was connecting sex, you know, the guns and all that,
and I was like, this is part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
Luke did it, but he didn't do it like he
didn't gain somewhere he did.

Speaker 7 (01:48:23):
We did it and that was artistic actually the way
you did when we did yeah the front of the Back, Well.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
That was the second album I did it on. Ryan
Tay's darling was in the car with us, like in
a in a bathing suit and me and Evil were
in a Porsche and we had a palm tree and
we were trying Glenn Friedman shot that and we were
trying to say this is Cali. We wanted that to
say California. When the time I did the Power album cover.
I was dealing with power, like the three the three

(01:48:51):
levels of power. One sex, that's the biggest power, right,
so you see her. The next power is weapons, sex,
money and guns, so you see the weapons. And then
the next power is deception. And when you turn it
over you see me and evil was strapped. So I
feel deception is the ultimate power because you never know

(01:49:12):
who's giving it to you.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
You know, you, I think you fired me, but really
he called the shot. He walked away.

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
So people that work in that realm of deception and
and and that's a that's the awesome business. You don't
know where the shot comes from. And that's the scarier power,
you know. So that's what I was dealing with on
the album. Because of course Darlene looked incredible at the time.
The niggas you're saying, Darlene, but we don't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
Darlene was was my that's my son's mother.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
And I've never been married before, but that was my
son's mother at the time, and you know, me and
her still got a good relationship, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Yeah, right, but your son, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:49:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
But you know, at the time, I was I was
in a world where I thought I thought you had
to be real. Thought you couldn't lie. So I didn't
know you could wear other people's jewelry. I didn't know
you could say. I didn't know you could have a
girl on the album covered it wasn't your gun. I
didn't notice everything.

Speaker 7 (01:50:16):
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
I don't know I had to shoot in my own house.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
I had to. I didn't know that that. Oh that's
what I say. The Gats in my promo shot props.
You know, so I I didn't think that was okay,
and you know I was. I ran my career, but
I ran my career based on those principles. If you know,

(01:50:44):
I said I don't when I said I don't wrap
about Gats, Iron got hose.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Iron caught.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
You know, guns, I ain't shot. The game to me
is too fucking deep. If I did, honestly believe, I
die in my sleep. If I don't have it, I'm
a rap about not having it right now, you know,
until I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
But this was duck down.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
We will.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
Shorty. Yeah, that's my god.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
Yeah, let me let me just tell you somebodic tea.
At the end of the day, me and Compone we
met in jail. We never ever ever.

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
In jail, said we're gonna come home and rap right,
me and this foul nigga, And I'm a foul nigga
to him. It's my brother though, my brother.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
But we came home.

Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
We was in jail, in jail saying we're gonna flip
some cocaine. Absolutely, I came home and Capone was rapping,
and it was just like I was like what And
I was rapping too in jail. But we ain't never
really share raps. So we had this whole altitude we

(01:52:02):
had embarked on. But and this is the reason why
I named it Gainst the Rap or reality Rap. If
it wasn't for you, they probably wouldn't be us. And
that's real ship because when I look at the history
and sometimes I could google something, I hate googling because
I like to remember from what and the first original

(01:52:23):
person that ever spit reality rap, Gainst the Rap, whatever
it is is you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:28):
Thank you, and we all owe you, not just we
didn't know how to be fake, either of them. Yeah,
that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
We didn't know that. That's okay.

Speaker 13 (01:52:40):
We didn't know you could do a photo shoot and
have a fake gun. You did a photo shoot for
the vibe. You had a real gun and it went
on and it went and it went off.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
But I don't understand it at all, this one.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
I don't understand how people can get on Instagram and
all that in line and talk about ship but then
all the friends see it and they know it's not real,
but their friends let them do it, so their friends
fake too.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
They're going along with this. They checked by the lights.
If the lights there are, that's the reality. But you
gotta have balls to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
Actually me to put a picture up of me saying
this is my house and the niggas know that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
What kind of person is that? You got Instagram police?
That's catching motherfuckers too.

Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
Yeah, I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
About your friend that I'm talking about your friends. Like
I was held accountable for every lyric, every lihime like Ice,
you know, come on, Ice, nigga, yo, what you know?
I had to make sure I stayed within the lines
because my niggas would have laughed me out of town
maybe like come on, Ice, you know, And my homie said, Ice,
you don't never have to lie because you live such

(01:53:49):
an incredible life.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
You don't have to it, just within it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
If you don't you know, people ain't gonna believe most
of the stories I tell.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
I need a nigga right here. This the code SIGNE
half the ship.

Speaker 13 (01:53:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
So people, but I don't get it now. I just
look at people when.

Speaker 4 (01:54:05):
I would like to ask you hip hop now, what
is your what is what is ice feelings on hip hop?

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
I just don't think it's held to the same same
rules or same standards.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
When I got in hip hop isn't held to the
same standards as it is when you saw.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
Nothing but but but but. I think when I got
into Wrap, I understood. You know, people that brought me
in mail and everybody cheese to me, they said hip
hop requires skill. That's what I did in the Art
of Wrap, my movie. I said, it requires skill. You
have to be have skill to be a breaker, a
skill to be a rapper, skill to be a DJ.

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
Once you lower the bar to where there's no skill,
it's no longer an art form.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
It's all yeah. So I came in when niggas would
call you whack and you had to take it like
you act, or you had to get better. You try
to get better. It's now to me, it's kind of
like dance music. It's kind of like disco. It's just
beats and the productions, some of the some of the productions.

(01:55:14):
I mean, I'm being honest. I'm being honest. I'm being honest.
I can go into a club. I can go into
a club and listen to trap beats all night long
and I'm rocking. I mean, that's the sonic, the sound,
the production and everything, but the lyrical context.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
Everybody starts just calling me Jack Juller, you live on
the podcast with Iced Tea and John.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
Make get out of here. You know what up?

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Iced team?

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
What up? Jack? I'm a fan man.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
I was with Jack and the Bronx. You know where
you at? Hey, Ali, Ali, Ali know the address? Come through? Hey,
we got to come up with the right all right,
all right, all right, I break some and vodka.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
Goddamn it. I make niggas turn off their phones when
they in my house.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
No, you know what, you know what, let me tell
you some ice. They don't accumulate more. I haven't said
this the whole interview. And one thing, one thing, one
thing that I have to say to you is ice.

Speaker 4 (01:56:20):
Although I give the same love that you give to
me to younger artists, but you not have ever been
obligated to give me any love that you always gave me.

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
Because I'm a fan. But it's real though I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:56:32):
I'm not, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
Let me let me keep let me.

Speaker 4 (01:56:35):
Keep bigging you, let me keep bigging you up, because
Ice you always had our back from the beginning, like
you're one of them guys. Listen, you one of them
guys that I know. I call and I know you're
gonna respond. I know you're going to be and you
know I always haven't been able to to do what

(01:56:58):
I gotta do. But when I've been at the lowest,
the medium, the highest always.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
Been in my corner. Because real niggas ain't one to
show up at the party.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
Niggas.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
Real niggas meet you in the parking lot in the
rain with the pistol. Thank you. I want to thank you.
We'll go to my soldier boy.

Speaker 4 (01:57:19):
Hold on, but before before I get to the soldier boy,
because I want to know who you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Got in the fight.

Speaker 4 (01:57:25):
But before that clown asked niggas, before that, I would like, well,
you didn't let me finish.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
Okay, you didn't let me finish. I was I was,
I was saying the music now sonically is incredible, but
it's I just feel its lack of the lyrical content
that I think that they're wrapping. They're rapping fast and
wrapping stuff. But I'm not taking nothing from it. I'm
not now. I listen to Jay Cole the other day,
he got his record, and that's the only thing. I

(01:57:56):
just think that, although you're a star now and you're rapping,
take a minute and make a record and try to
move somebody, like, try to change somebody's life with it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
I understand it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
I'm like, Okay, you got the baddest bitches, You got
the money you hire all the time. I got that,
But what else is there? Anything else is now some people,
there is nothing else. It's just getting money. And I
grew up with cats like that. It's just getting money.
But some people got it in them to try to
help and move And if that's any you do it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
But you change my life. Ice, You changed my life.

Speaker 4 (01:58:32):
One day somebody asked you and said, well, Ice, when
you're dropping something, and you said, I don't want to
drop something because everybody's dropping mixtapes for free.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
I don't want to spit my game for free. And
that ship totally fuck.

Speaker 4 (01:58:47):
I was like, he said, if you notice, it's only
East Coast niggas that do the mixtape game for free.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
West Coast mixtapes. They drop mixtapes, they sell these nips.
We killed of people will.

Speaker 4 (01:59:04):
Sit back and say the downfall, the downfall of New
York was, whatever, the downfall of New York was.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
We downgraded the old it self so many people.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
And I said that one day and nobody paid attention.
But there was a website called Daft Pith okay right,
we put out a thing called the Anti Mixtape. They
were dropping twenty free mixtapes a day on that website.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
Yeah, it was. It was like, yo, this is so diluted.
Now there's no value. Your down labels are suing them
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
But still it's like yo, man, I mean like, if
this is your business, then you gotta hold and you
gotta take its content.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
You can't just give it away.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
I never threw out a free mixtape since it's ridiculous.
It's like, what are you doing, especially somebody like you's
already known. I mean, if you knew, you might have
to mixtape, but I don't, don't. And then how did
the producers get paid when you're giving away.

Speaker 14 (02:00:03):
Nobody, you just you just do yourself in the same
person that didn't put half the work you put in
the game.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
You put yourself on the same level as them when
you have a mixtape.

Speaker 4 (02:00:12):
But that's why you gotta have producers that's lawyer like
Hazardous Sounds, s b k H, Scram Jones, Incredible Cuts, you.

Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
Know, people like that because because I'm not getting no
money or for this, it doesn't work either. So you
got to have people that's willing to take that risk
with you.

Speaker 6 (02:00:28):
But mind you this components. When you said that ice,
it changed my mind.

Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
On your house from queens Bridge. You stop that queens man.
Why does your vapor smell like room boys smells good?
It was like old Spanish pussy. I'm just keeping it real.
It's just like some noise some old man. But you

(02:00:59):
know is crazy your please? You can text me the
picture when you rock it. Please? What is it that's that's.

Speaker 1 (02:01:17):
Giving away.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
The shirt? Our interview with you is so perfect.

Speaker 4 (02:01:27):
Giving way just say to you right now, your I
I just can't thank you enough because I know you

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humble and you and and.

Speaker 1 (02:01:52):
The is going on.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
You guys, hey, but what but keep going, man going.

Speaker 4 (02:02:05):
You saw him, and I just want to thank you
because you know why, and I know you don't give
a fuck. I know you're a real nigga, but you
know what I feel is real nigga should be saluted nowadays.
At the end of the day, fake niggas had their time.
And that's the reason why me and my partner right
here starting this podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
But you can feel it is we want to.

Speaker 4 (02:02:26):
If you notice, we've never interviewed not one new guy,
and if you interviewed the new guy, he came with
an old And you know what, only this is the
only generation in the world that when you become old,
they kick you out with the first roll that you

(02:02:47):
can still do it jazz, you can still do it,
shouts up my main game.

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
You could be sixty seven.

Speaker 1 (02:02:56):
Pop stars get more love for longer, and hip hop
is the only things.

Speaker 2 (02:03:00):
So you know what for me and my partners, that's
why I got a rock album now.

Speaker 4 (02:03:04):
But listen, but you ain't got to have a ten
million You just sticking with hip hop and you know
you album just.

Speaker 2 (02:03:14):
As well. Sometimes you gotta snuff, you know, but this
birthday you can't get mad. This is what drink champs
Is drink chants.

Speaker 4 (02:03:28):
We want to salute our legends because there's no other
platform to salute our legends. Like right now, if you
say I'm going to do the hottest podcast quote unquote.

Speaker 2 (02:03:38):
They want to They want to get jay Z, they
want to get Nas, they want to.

Speaker 4 (02:03:42):
Get Drake, they want to get all these people. That's
not what we started out to do. We wanted to
support our legends. You know, meet me myself, like the Raptors.

Speaker 1 (02:03:51):
I liked.

Speaker 2 (02:03:52):
One of the prerequences was what I like to hang out?

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
Would you know? I wanted to roll with rock Cam.
I wanted to hang with Big Daddy came. I want
to hang around Compona no yea ray Kwan and want to.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
Hang with Easy. Give us an easy East story that
I'm told.

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
Nah, that's easy easy, well, easy game was. He always
tried to tell people he was fifteen, shut up.

Speaker 2 (02:04:21):
Fifty five, come out. I know you don't come out.

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
She's just wild out in the hotel room. Some stuff.
I mean, I've seen Easy. You know the ladies that
be cleaning the thing. It's like tackle a chick like.

Speaker 5 (02:04:38):
Like this.

Speaker 2 (02:04:38):
Before niggas was getting charges and stuff, niggas just wilding
out but not you know, Easy was a good dude.

Speaker 1 (02:04:44):
I mean he was. He was the street member of
the group. He funded that group right after.

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
He said that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:50):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 4 (02:04:51):
So I'm gonna give you other people names and I
just want to see you wanted to continue.

Speaker 1 (02:04:56):
To Easy with I know Easy. I mean, there's not
think of it as Easy. He has passed away, so
it's kind of odd to talk about him. I'm not
gonna say no Wild.

Speaker 2 (02:05:04):
I'm actually a couple of people who have pastor. But
I got wild story because you got you got, you
got story. Arrested Jams, j Well Jam talking about Jam Messenger.

Speaker 1 (02:05:14):
Jay was Jay was another person who was like the
most authentic like part of Run DMC, Like he was
a street cat. So I would always actually like somehow
they would gravitate to me and we would end up
talking and stuff like that. But Jay was a solid dude.
I mean, it's amazing that no one called who killed him.

(02:05:34):
That's just amazing that somebody of that caliber, that's like
somebody from like the one the Super Bowl, like Tom
Brady get killed, nobody knows about it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:43):
You know, that's crazy.

Speaker 14 (02:05:46):
And the thing, you know what's crazy they talk about
not solving big all on one second, they talk about
not solving big murder, not SolV a park park murder,
but they never talk about not solving Jamster Jay and
he was just as.

Speaker 2 (02:05:59):
Pen and jay Z.

Speaker 1 (02:06:01):
Let me tell you, jay Z, I mean jam message
Jay and run DMZ. Remember you're talking about the moment
with you. That was the moment that made me really wrap.
Like I went to a concert they had and they
had everybody put their deeds and jam J was on
a riser and they had lasers and ship and I
was just trying to rap and I was like, Yo,

(02:06:24):
this ship is rocking.

Speaker 2 (02:06:25):
Run yo.

Speaker 1 (02:06:27):
I like to know that because we had always been
doing it in the basements and the little clubs and
ship and when I seen that, I think I went
home that night and wrote like twenty raps Like I
was like, Yo, they run DMC.

Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
Let me understand.

Speaker 1 (02:06:40):
This was big. Yes, business a bit, but it was
bigger than the basement and the small clubs hip hop
were okay, So I'm going a little bit all over
the Yeah, Tac I knew pop when he was in
Digital Underground. Yeah he was dancing.

Speaker 2 (02:06:57):
And it's that difference between dig underground. You could see.

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
Tupo warned. I remember we were at a Soul Train awards.
It was me and Dre and we were sitting at
a table and Pock walked by. You say, d told
them dot dr Dre. He just can't just say Drake,
you know, yeah, as a stupid doctor Dre and and
Pock walked by. And at that time he wasn't Tupac yet.

(02:07:26):
I think maybe it was Treach or somebody. But he
looked at the table and I could see he wanted
to sit at the table, you know, I could see it.
And then as he started to make his move as Tupac.
I remember one time, see Pop was doing some strange
things like all right, like he hooked up with the
cats in in South central fifty second to five Deuces,

(02:07:46):
which was rated.

Speaker 2 (02:07:47):
R and holds no no, I'm about to kick the
produce out.

Speaker 3 (02:07:53):
But got go.

Speaker 1 (02:07:54):
He cooked up with raided all and they created that
thing Thugee, which was based in south central l A.

Speaker 2 (02:08:03):
L A nothing homies in Jersey. No no no, no,
no no, no. Doug life was rated R and and
uh macadocious.

Speaker 1 (02:08:14):
They were out of l A right, And then you
know he evolved from that, and then when he got
into trouble out here, that's when Shug came in and
got him out. But I remember one time I was
in l A and Pop pulled up on me in
a car with like this crazy ass chick, like some
like strawberry bitch in the front seat. He had.

Speaker 2 (02:08:36):
But yeah, that's how I noticed this of my brother.
That's exactly what I said in my mind.

Speaker 1 (02:08:40):
Strawberry is basically Brons did get off for crack, Like.

Speaker 2 (02:08:49):
Yeah, it's a.

Speaker 1 (02:08:52):
It's a l A street saying for like a crackhu. Okay,
So this broad, I know it wasn't his woman. I'm like,
what is this bitch doing in the car?

Speaker 2 (02:08:59):
She already you know.

Speaker 1 (02:09:00):
But he's getting high and he had weeds. He had weed,
he had gun, and he wanted me to sit in
the car and listen to his record. I'm like, nigga, are.

Speaker 2 (02:09:11):
You riding around?

Speaker 1 (02:09:13):
Like like are you serious?

Speaker 2 (02:09:15):
Pop? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm like, oh gee,
so you know, let me just take me.

Speaker 4 (02:09:21):
He was trying to impress you, even if he wasn't
trying to press you, because every time I hang out.

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
With you, Yeah, I tried to impress But he was.

Speaker 2 (02:09:28):
He scared me.

Speaker 1 (02:09:29):
So I was like, I was like, pop, man, this
is crazy. But I'll tell you some real inside ship.

Speaker 2 (02:09:35):
He was in my house.

Speaker 1 (02:09:36):
I had a studio called the Crackhouse, and he was
at my house with the outlaws, a couple of the outlaws,
and he played me hit him up and I didn't
like it, and I was like, you're gonna start something.

Speaker 2 (02:09:49):
You didn't like what he was saying.

Speaker 1 (02:09:50):
I didn't like him starting to beef. I was like, dog,
you knew I was going to go. I said, you're
going in on dude's.

Speaker 2 (02:09:56):
Wife and all that.

Speaker 1 (02:09:57):
I was like, yo, He's like yo. And then at
that time, he thought Big had shot him and I
was like, yo, woll you can hear it. I wouldn't
you ain't for the handling that with a record? Really
are you?

Speaker 5 (02:10:08):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:10:08):
So we kind of was on bad terms with that
because he wanted me to ride with him, but I
was like, I couldn't, you know, And so that we
was we was kind of like in that zone when
he got killed.

Speaker 2 (02:10:20):
What he was saying on that record, was he saying
that that was reality or was he saying, I'm just
a record.

Speaker 1 (02:10:26):
It's a Brecord, you know, talking about but just a
B record, Like if you're gonna set it and you
setting it yelling West Coast, you shouldn't have set this.
I knew that was going to turn into a real situation,
you know.

Speaker 2 (02:10:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
You know I'm not out wrapping you. I'm threatening you.
I'm talking yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (02:10:44):
I'm like yo.

Speaker 1 (02:10:45):
I was like, yo, I mean, are you really even
to go there? You know, I'm sitting back like who
I'm supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (02:10:52):
I'm older.

Speaker 1 (02:10:53):
I'm like, yo, this is this is you know.

Speaker 2 (02:10:55):
But he wanted me going like yeah, yeah, yeah, this
is good ship, let's do it. So yeah, this man
is he saying that he's smash faith. That's what I'm doing.
You heard but he said that he's sash You heard
the rec he said it. But was he in the studio?
Was he saying this is true?

Speaker 9 (02:11:11):
Wasn't?

Speaker 2 (02:11:11):
No, No, we didn't get there.

Speaker 1 (02:11:13):
I just listened to the playback and was like, dog,
that's I don't know, he's a general too much.

Speaker 2 (02:11:20):
It's not a good idea.

Speaker 1 (02:11:21):
Plus I'm cool with New York, Like, yo, you knew
what it was gonna create absolutely New York though, But
it was gonna cause a crazy in all all bullshit aside,
right if you think it, maybe shot you while you're
making a record street ship right, Okay, so we went there.

(02:11:42):
You handle this with a record, okay. But he wasn't
ready for that, and I wasn't really trying to send
him on noment. I was just trying to get it,
get it, come on, man.

Speaker 2 (02:11:53):
But as an O G should like yes from school.

Speaker 1 (02:11:57):
Yeah yeah, but but anyway, long story short, you know,
I love pop. Pop was a good kid. I remember
one night shot G came and knocked on my door
and he was like, yo, you need to talk to
pop and he said, you like one of the only
people he'll listen to. And they was like, yo, you
know he gonna he's ain't listening to me at that time.
So you know, he kind of got caught in the song.

(02:12:17):
See when you're when you're not in the LA gang
scene and you come to l A and they embrace you, Yeah,
it's you're not necessarily safe, you know, And it wasn't
where he was supposed to be. Like, you know, you
you make records, you should be on your way out
of the game. You shouldn't be making records and then
going into it, you know, because you're making flyers like

(02:12:40):
a stream. Nigga has the power of animinity. Who shot him?
Pooky Low? Who's Pooky Low? Nobody fucking knows who shot him?
Iced Tea Iced Ta gonna be on this flyer, He'll
be right here. You know. You no longer have that
ability to disappear into the hood. Niggas could pop up
on you any motherfucker where. So you gotta let that

(02:13:01):
ship go. You gotta let that shit go. You're no
longer in the underworld. Now you're part of the mainstream,
and you gotta you have to behave like that.

Speaker 4 (02:13:09):
So did you did you actually see like after that,
did you see that park was going down the road
that wasn't necessarily.

Speaker 1 (02:13:17):
Yeah, it wasn't, you know, it was just not a
good place to be, uh, you know, but you know
he was rolling with Sugar. Sugar got him out of
jails with everybody had turned thy back on the truck
when he got caught in that mess, Sug came and saved.

Speaker 2 (02:13:30):
Now, what was your relationship with show Sugar was nw
A's bodyguard and.

Speaker 1 (02:13:37):
But yeah, but he rolled with them and being Sugar
always had a cool cool like understanding no beef because
we did no business. But you gotta understand, Sugar is
a football player and he basically had at connections to
the mob or the mob the cats in his neighborhood
where he's from, and they were bloods and he surround.

Speaker 2 (02:13:58):
Himself with a gang of bluzz so that was power
and and something.

Speaker 1 (02:14:03):
But then again, my boys they were like, we the
other side, so that don't matter to us. And I
got niggas as big, big as Shug, So it's like,
what's happening?

Speaker 15 (02:14:14):
And before you fucked me up with that one, my
boys was the others, like you know, for the rap game,
all they knew was Sug at one point.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
That's but but but see, I'm not operating as as
that type of a militia. They got go yeah, you know, yeah,
but you know, it's like okay, and that's chugging. We

(02:14:44):
we everybody was cool, everybody understood everybody. Everybody had their limits.
But me and Sugar have never shared a negative word.
He was very respectful in areas and we respect each other.
We we aren't enemy, so to speak. But then at
the same time, from two different sides of the gang world,
you know what I'm saying I'm from a crypt side. Okay,

(02:15:06):
So they like, whatever, can I.

Speaker 2 (02:15:10):
Your question with this is going to a different stuff
when we talk about beef. What was the deal with you?
L L said I crushed more dre man Ice Tea girl.

Speaker 15 (02:15:24):
Well, what happened was, L I had asked that because
I mean, not that I know of, not that I know,

(02:15:45):
because because Ice Tea is a real nigga, I just
want to that was like that was that was.

Speaker 2 (02:15:50):
Equivalent to Biggie and parton.

Speaker 1 (02:15:53):
Yeah, but no that I didn't take it like that.
What happened was with with with him was he was
just saying he was the greatest effort ever. And I
was coming out from the West Coast, and how was
I going to be able to be taken seriously if
I let someone say they were the best. So I
had to wrap my I was just like, fuck, whoever
you think you are, nigga? You know, I had a

(02:16:14):
whole coast on my back. So I was like, let's go.

Speaker 5 (02:16:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:16:17):
Whether I thought I could actually beat him rapping whatever,
but I had to stand my ground, and I thought
I might have been able to be more clever than him.

Speaker 2 (02:16:26):
Who knows, but it was no. That shit got shut down.

Speaker 1 (02:16:30):
Bam. I'd actually shut down that wrap beef because damn
because June, because l L wanted to be part of Zulu.
And there was a moment where they were asking me,
and I'm like, well, if it's up to me, you know,
me and him, it's kind of beef and and ship.
But at the end of the day, cool, yeah, because
Africa Islam put me in the game. I'm catching on

(02:17:00):
them right, so so l you know, but it was
just record ship. It wasn't. It was just he was
a better rapper. Wasn't threatening each other's lies and ship
and all that. And I did this and that, and
I think he said I took the record the thing
to the bathroom or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:17:15):
But you know whatever, you know that's not ground some murder.
So now that you're both like TV.

Speaker 1 (02:17:24):
By storm like yeah, both the rapes.

Speaker 2 (02:17:29):
That, how does that? I ran into L and Monte Carlo.
We were doing what's up?

Speaker 1 (02:17:35):
What's up? All right?

Speaker 2 (02:17:37):
To see all right, what's going on over.

Speaker 1 (02:17:47):
Ben Zenos in the I was watching TV. I saw
you get shot on TV. I was like, your relatives
shot you crazy? Shot?

Speaker 2 (02:17:58):
That's crazy. Let's get this.

Speaker 1 (02:18:08):
We went we went money Carlos doing a television convention,
and uh I chopped it up with L L. And
you know it was like yo, man at the back
in them days, this is what we had to do.
We had to stay in our ground, no disrespect, and
we shook and everything. But I had this recently. This
happened maybe five years ago.

Speaker 2 (02:18:28):
Up to that point, I had n't crossed the L
L's path, nothing like that whole time.

Speaker 1 (02:18:32):
We don't have to. You know, we live in different
coasts and you know.

Speaker 16 (02:18:35):
But.

Speaker 2 (02:18:37):
Hollywood didn't bring you all like like what about you?
What about mod? Did you cross? I love no when
that happened, did you ever we gotta? It wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:18:49):
It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:18:50):
It wasn't that serious.

Speaker 1 (02:18:52):
It was rap ship. It was rap ship. It was
never that serious. It was just like I could rap
better than you.

Speaker 4 (02:18:58):
Know, as a as a young dude coming up and
then as a young dude coming up like embarrassment.

Speaker 17 (02:19:06):
Come on, man, lies that young dude coming up right,
So I see you like you? You you were that
soldier boy fors rap. You're like, yo, that ain't real
hip hop or whatever, blah blah blah.

Speaker 18 (02:19:17):
Like I agree with you because I come up under
seeing nigg upon the North. I know, real hip hop,
but I'm taking it as like he's a young boy
coming up trying to use a platform just to make it.

Speaker 2 (02:19:28):
Out the hood. So it's like I feel like if
I was him, like I'll be hurt to.

Speaker 1 (02:19:32):
Hear that first, because like I look up to you, like,
why are you gonna shit on me?

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
I'm just trying to make it out feed my fan. Okay,
there's a backstory to that.

Speaker 1 (02:19:39):
This is what happened.

Speaker 2 (02:19:40):
This is why we were talking about phones off and cameras.

Speaker 1 (02:19:42):
So we were I was making a mixtape for one
of my homemies in the hood, right, This dude just
a regular nigga. I'm on his wrap rapping for him
free right. So when I get into the booth, the
niggas start like like saying, niggas don't want to hear you.

Speaker 2 (02:19:57):
They want to see Soldier boy.

Speaker 1 (02:19:59):
They want to they pumping me up then using this
ship to get me hot.

Speaker 2 (02:20:02):
They're like, yeah, they don't want to hear you. Nigga
didn't want Hurricane Chris nigga. They hit my g bone.
I'm like, whack ass motherfuckers, And I went on a
rant and I licked you up.

Speaker 1 (02:20:15):
I went on a ramp and the niggas taped it
and put it out and put it on in the
front of their mixtape. So I'm in fuck them. So
that was That was one of my iced t old
man rants. It was he was never supposed to hurt it.
So now I'm in Arizona mine and my business. My
son goes soldier boys on the internet talking shit about you.

(02:20:35):
So I'm like, what so pearing that they playing the
tape back keep listening. So now I'm like, well, I
can't back down. I did say this ship yea. So
now I'm out there, so let me verify, let me
break down what I said. And I just told the
nigga break straight up, nigga, this is how I feel
blah blah blah blah blah and what and then rest

(02:20:57):
is history.

Speaker 2 (02:20:57):
But at the time, I felt the bar was starting
to drop.

Speaker 1 (02:21:02):
And I just think that once again, there needs to
be a degree of difficulty in hip hop that always
has been there and that's what makes it something special.
There's something about a star. A star is something you
can't reach. That's why Michael Jordan is a star. You
can't reach it.

Speaker 2 (02:21:16):
And that's why we look up to him.

Speaker 1 (02:21:17):
But when you're doing something that everybody can do, you
not really a start and doing what anybody can do,
show me something I can't do, and you get to praise.
So you know, God blessed soldier boy. But you know
this is what I do know. Niggas will end up
in their own ship if that's what they deserve. So

(02:21:38):
now you're seeing this guy and looking where.

Speaker 2 (02:21:41):
His life is. You see them saying, so.

Speaker 1 (02:21:46):
You you don't really gotta do nothing to nobody. They
gonna end up where they're supposed to be because of
their actions.

Speaker 2 (02:21:53):
So you know, God bless you. But now we want
to you know, try.

Speaker 14 (02:21:59):
That's like, that's like if you ever heard about the
laws of Murphy, what can happen will happen, And that's
what murphys Murphy.

Speaker 2 (02:22:07):
And let me just tell you something you want to do.

Speaker 1 (02:22:09):
Any gang brother, your guy, you know the history in
this room, man.

Speaker 2 (02:22:14):
You know said, yeah, you know ice Icey could killed.

Speaker 1 (02:22:32):
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (02:22:35):
Whatever it was. It was real because.

Speaker 1 (02:22:40):
Real ship though, and I respect it because.

Speaker 2 (02:22:43):
Hold on fare the table I got to spent on you.
It was real because like like I remember when we
had the artist call and we was on Timmy Boy
and When Time and which is now owned by Warner Bros.

Speaker 16 (02:22:57):
Right right, exactly the same time. But it's crazy because
it all happened at that time. But when he came
out with the cop Killer song, you know, we just
got it down. Tommy Boy grew from Boston, you know,
got a little single deal. We put a song out
called one the Chamber. So when the Chamber, we talked
about two kids who had got killed in Boston, and
the police got over with it whatever, you know what
I'm saying, shot shot dude under a car, shot and

(02:23:17):
other dude in the back of the head, and they
got over with it. So we ended up getting dropped
from Tommy Boy because the Boston Police Patrol's associated had
suited us.

Speaker 1 (02:23:27):
So I forgot.

Speaker 16 (02:23:28):
There was an interview and it was something that I
fo don't know if you did an interview, if I
did an interview, and it was just something because since
he had the cop Kill song and we got with
the cop that was trying to compare things and it
was saying that I said, well, as far as I know,
you know, even though of course I see legend in
the game, but the song from my understood was kind
of rock. It was rap rock, you know what I'm saying.

(02:23:49):
I said, it was kind of different. I said, you know,
I said, we didn't. I said, oh, it was just
a rap song. We was just pretty much talking about
you know. I mean it was almost like the same thing.
But we went out and did a show at the
Earth of an Empathey.

Speaker 1 (02:24:01):
So it's just the five of us. You know, we
don't have no security nothing this ship.

Speaker 16 (02:24:05):
So it was four of us, plus we had this
little Jamaican nigga that did on the hook for one
of the songs or whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:24:10):
So when when when when I had K came with
mad Man, This was the time I guess where they
was trying to squash the crypt the truth. He had
like a hundred niggas with. I'm like so like one
of the niggas was like, yo, I.

Speaker 16 (02:24:23):
See over off Man, I said ship sometime I think right,
I'm like, fuck right, I mean niggas.

Speaker 1 (02:24:30):
Look on my side of the story was this when
the ship happened, the word got out that R. S
O said that we I was the reason they got
dropped right right right. But that's that's how it came
at me. So they was like your r s O
said something about you act the way so like like
I was telling them in my I keep every winter
breast of who he might have beef, this, that and

(02:24:52):
the other.

Speaker 2 (02:24:52):
So I think r RS.

Speaker 1 (02:24:53):
So it popped up on our radar, like kid, it's
rs OL. Niggas says some fly. So then I'm at
the place and they go there, they go right. But
we felt it though, because I was like, look, I said, look.

Speaker 16 (02:25:04):
I said, look, I said, man, I said, we gotta
stay together, and said nobody wants nobody run.

Speaker 1 (02:25:11):
I'm giving a fuck what happens. We're gonna get mopped
up together. Somebody run. We got a problem. Like the niggas.

Speaker 16 (02:25:17):
The little Jamaican nigga was like, oh, I didn't even
like he was like, what the fuck did I get myself?

Speaker 1 (02:25:24):
I'm not even like.

Speaker 2 (02:25:27):
We wasn't in that mode. They just identified him.

Speaker 1 (02:25:29):
So I'm walked over to you remember no no, because
your man came. He was like, I t want holler.

Speaker 16 (02:25:34):
So I said, I'm gonna go this like I said,
I'm gonna go over there. I'm gonna go talk to
the old. We went over that top and I never
forget this.

Speaker 1 (02:25:40):
And you said that.

Speaker 16 (02:25:41):
She was like, look, man, I ain't got no beef
for nothing. He says, Man, you see these nigga that's
the great street, this, that, and that. I'm looking out.
I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm looking at it like
I see it. He's like, man, fuck that. He's like,
let's go kill some cops together.

Speaker 2 (02:25:54):
That's what you said. I was like going to the ship, like, look,
I know my beat is not with you. I beat
you out with you.

Speaker 1 (02:26:04):
And also, I never I never, I never really took
secondhand information. You know, if somebody say you said something,
then I'm gonna get you and I'm gonna see if
you'll say it again, you know, because that cause niggas
get killed over secondhand information.

Speaker 2 (02:26:19):
It wasn't real.

Speaker 1 (02:26:20):
So if I can't walk up to Ben and say, yo,
what's really good? But I was really more or less
like I ain't mad man. That shit went bad when
my shit got banned, shit went bad for a lot
of people, you know, and everybody said it was my fault.
I'm like, yo, this shit is real, right, we're real. Like,
so if you guys have had heated at the cops,
then let's go get down. Because I was always like

(02:26:41):
that with niggas. I'm like you so quick you kill
another homie over an orange soda, but when they come you.

Speaker 2 (02:26:46):
Run like where's your gangster?

Speaker 1 (02:26:48):
Still to this day, yeah, they had the American flag
with all red and blue. Remember the stage turn like
that was history.

Speaker 16 (02:26:55):
A lot of people didn't even like that wasn't documented,
but you had the bloods and clips on stage.

Speaker 1 (02:26:59):
They had American from a big flag. It was big.

Speaker 16 (02:27:01):
It's about as many niggas more than here, So it
was I mean, it was that was an ill moment.
It was a moment where LA was and I commend
you for that. That was big to do that that
that hadn't been done before as far.

Speaker 1 (02:27:14):
As I knew. You know, I wanted to try to
get the l A gangs to stop killing each other.
I still and this is like all in the same gang. Now,
this is during the ninety two this is the truth?
Which truth is what's going on that's prior to that?

Speaker 2 (02:27:28):
And why were you on that record?

Speaker 1 (02:27:30):
Now?

Speaker 2 (02:27:30):
That was after I was. I was, after all in
the same game.

Speaker 1 (02:27:35):
But you was the reason Boston started.

Speaker 5 (02:27:37):
When Colors came out, That's when everything started forgetting about
After Colors came everything started was everything started going like
in take of Boston when Colors came out.

Speaker 16 (02:27:48):
Then that's when really I noticed Boston started ganging up.
You know what I'm saying. It was right after Colors Colors, like,
I mean, niggas beefing the movie theaters. Nigga was going
crazy when that ship came out.

Speaker 1 (02:27:57):
You know. You know the thing of it is with me, man,
that's like, oh d I'm responsible for a lot of
negative ship that happened. But really I've always been the
person that's really tried to get peace. You know, at
the end of the day, my message can be misconstrued,
you know, because I can go into that mode, but
that's not really my get down. My get down is

(02:28:19):
not that. And when people meet me, they go, wow,
you so mild, managed you so cool? You know, where
do all this gangster shit come from? I say, Well,
people like me are the ones you gotta look out for.
The nigga walking around talking all tough and shit like that,
he doesn't have any power. That's why I don't understand
why Donald Trump, now that he has all this part,
needs to kind of fuck because when you have that ability,

(02:28:44):
then you don't need to raise your voice on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (02:28:47):
You can just become calm because it's it's nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:28:52):
You know, so yeah, you know a lot now. Niggas
see me now and I'm not the normal rapper. They like,
why you ain't. Yeah, I'm like, I don't, don't need to.

Speaker 5 (02:29:00):
Be like that.

Speaker 1 (02:29:02):
That's all that extra ship right then that's over. It's
it's a different life, it's different time, but the same
ship can happen. Niggas can bring the grammy.

Speaker 4 (02:29:12):
I just want to I just want to do, you know, appreciation.
I've seen my brother ching bing is here, my brother
bach shows here. I just want to diego Benzino.

Speaker 2 (02:29:24):
It's a great podcast going on right Ice, Team.

Speaker 1 (02:29:29):
Ice.

Speaker 2 (02:29:29):
I can't thank you enough.

Speaker 4 (02:29:30):
I can never thank you enough for anything you ever did,
because you know what, I could never repay you for
anything you ever did.

Speaker 2 (02:29:37):
Me tell you something for the baking too, man, I
can never repay you for anything you ever did to mereak.
And you know how I repay you with that.

Speaker 4 (02:29:50):
I repay you with that is because I always do
something for somebody who could never repay me.

Speaker 1 (02:29:54):
That's a game. That's real talk paying for its real
talk paying forward.

Speaker 4 (02:29:58):
Because you're so big, I can't even it's nothing I
can ever offer you. I can never offer you money,
I can never offer you anything. All I can offer
you is real friends.

Speaker 2 (02:30:06):
But it's always a treatment.

Speaker 1 (02:30:07):
Players meet, it's always a treat when you get around
cats to your own caliber and you can chop it up.
And it ain't nobody bragging and talking about that unnecessary
shit because at some point everybody has everything, right, So
there's nothing to brag about now because we all have everything.
So now what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:30:25):
What have you done?

Speaker 1 (02:30:27):
What are you giving back? You know, that's how really
wealthy people brag. You know that they talk about how
much money they gave away. That's not what they have
because we all got the gats and books. So what
are you giving I'll give away ten million this year.
I gave back fifty minutes. That's why. That's how the
baller's brag. You know, we're still on the niggas side
trying to get something.

Speaker 2 (02:30:43):
You know what I'm saying. We ain't there yet.

Speaker 1 (02:30:45):
But my thing is if Ice Tea is really just
a person that is trying to show people there's no limits.
Everywhere you want to go, you can do it. We
all come from the hood and you set your own limits.
You know, if you listen to the crowd, gonna end
up with them. You did, you can just do whatever
the fuck you want. And uh, you know, you just

(02:31:06):
got to drop a lot of that negative ship. You
just got to drop a lot of that boisterous, arrogant
shit to get you shot.

Speaker 2 (02:31:13):
And you get you.

Speaker 1 (02:31:13):
You just learn the mellow out. And all of us
in this room should live as long as we want.
We shouldn't go to prison.

Speaker 2 (02:31:20):
All that we pass it.

Speaker 1 (02:31:21):
Once you get out of your twenties, that's the kill
zone right there. If you make it out of that,
there's no Now you're og. So here's the playing Xbox Nordy.
That's all I do.

Speaker 2 (02:31:31):
I play one year old. Let me just say this,
this right, got a one year old on.

Speaker 4 (02:31:37):
Here's a problem is they never expected us to make
twenty one. Now after we make past twenty five, now
they call us a OG. But back in the days,
they used to call you a OG after thirty five.

Speaker 1 (02:31:51):
Forty, But now they call you a OG twenty. Is
that messing up all community? I'm out of too, g
understand this, man, I'm on hold, I'm on another channel, right,
I'm on the channel it. It's cause niggas I fuck with,
I like, and that's the only people I care about.

Speaker 2 (02:32:09):
Can you send me that app?

Speaker 1 (02:32:10):
Yeah, you want?

Speaker 2 (02:32:14):
Anything else is.

Speaker 1 (02:32:15):
Relevant, and they can come up and they can learn.
If they don't want to take advice, they can learn
the way we learn. You did. What I'm saying might
have to make detoy through the penitentiary, but they gonna
figure it out.

Speaker 4 (02:32:25):
Then.

Speaker 2 (02:32:26):
If I funk with niggas, I funk with and that's
the only Let me just tell you something. I can
never thank you for anything you ever.

Speaker 1 (02:32:37):
Did for me.

Speaker 2 (02:32:38):
That's really and you continue to do it for me.
You have never fronted on me.

Speaker 1 (02:32:43):
I really really appreciate everything. I really love you as
a person. I love you as an artist. You already
know that.

Speaker 4 (02:32:50):
I know. I can guarantee you when we go downstairs,
I can probably know more lyrics than you know to
your own ship.

Speaker 1 (02:32:57):
Stop it. No, no, no, no, that was.

Speaker 2 (02:33:01):
Because the way he called his verses. No, he really knows.
I'm not gonna take that.

Speaker 4 (02:33:08):
At the end of the day, Ice Team, big up
to your beautiful wife, Coachy.

Speaker 1 (02:33:11):
Yeah, everything is good. We're not gonna ask you no
Coco questions and none of that right. You know why
this is hip hop right? So to me, well, you
love it.

Speaker 2 (02:33:22):
You open that door, You open that.

Speaker 1 (02:33:24):
Door, you open that door.

Speaker 2 (02:33:32):
Sorry, but your wife, Chanelle is in the building. I
got a one year old daughter, look y'all beautiful.

Speaker 10 (02:33:42):
Like you.

Speaker 1 (02:33:44):
I was happy.

Speaker 2 (02:33:45):
I'm happy.

Speaker 1 (02:33:46):
I'm just very fortunate to still be here, to still
be in the game. I never wanted to be at
the top of the game. I just always wanted to
be in the game. Just bubble, you know, and just chill.
I'm about to turn fifty nine. You know, I didn't
know that, Nigga. I'm standing the waist, handsome in the face,
nig you know.

Speaker 5 (02:34:03):
What to do.

Speaker 2 (02:34:03):
I'm not gonna know you for fifty one. So so
just from that age, just from my age.

Speaker 1 (02:34:16):
My perspective is going to be a little bit deep.
Of course, the people I grew up with is a
little bit different. So that's kind of like, you know,
you say you cut from a different cloth. I'm cut
from a different cloth. So I hold that code that
all that I've always held it. And I was telling
them earlier, the only thing you leave on earth is
your your reputation and respect that I've earned.

Speaker 2 (02:34:40):
So my kids.

Speaker 9 (02:34:42):
Forget the money, Jack Thriller, were coming down, you're.

Speaker 2 (02:34:50):
Telling me, But I'm in it like this, right.

Speaker 1 (02:34:53):
The only thing that that you have in life is
your name and your respect and your honor and my kids.

Speaker 2 (02:35:00):
It's regardless how much money I can live. And it
doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (02:35:02):
If my son says I'm a little ice and they
say your father was a sucker, then that's his life.
He's gonna live under that. So if I'm an honorable cat,
people are gonna look out for him. They're gonna go,
that's your dad, you know, the same way we look
out for Biggs kids, the same way we look out
And that's what I'm all about. It's by maintaining my
respect and my honor for my kids. That's all. It

(02:35:24):
ain't about the money. It's not that that shit, you know,
all that shit comes and goes. It's all about that.
As long as you a player has his health and
his freedom, anything can happen. Right. If you have your
health and your freedom, that's all that matters. So I'm
at home playing Xbox, eating cockos. I take my black
ass the law and order. I come back home. I
mod my motherfucking business. I'm trying to stay the fuck

(02:35:46):
out the way. I don't want to be on your blogs,
and none of that old bullshit pop out when I've
got something to sell. When i'm pushing something other than that,
I'm cool. I'm chilling because we all got everything we need.
Remember this, we all got every thing we need. It's
all about now what you want? And I can't tell
you what you want. We got what we need. What

(02:36:06):
do you need? A pair of pants and shoes, a
car and rent and food.

Speaker 2 (02:36:10):
That's all you need. Everything else is what you want, right,
That's all you need. But we got that. So your
life is based around.

Speaker 1 (02:36:18):
What you want and and and you don't know what
I want.

Speaker 2 (02:36:21):
I might just want to chill and watch TV from
from the bottom of my heart. And I'm gonna speak
for my partner as well, both partners. It's kind of awkward.

Speaker 9 (02:36:37):
This is a religious experience. Attention, but half for all
of us.

Speaker 4 (02:36:52):
We want to thank you because you know what and
then and we also understand that you had started your podcast,
you had dig your podcast, but you need to stop
that and come with drink Champs.

Speaker 2 (02:37:03):
Network fucking with you did I did fifty nine episode.
This is what we're doing. I am Shug Night and
puff Daddy together. I love it if they had never
had bet if Sugar Knight and Puff Daddy got together,
this is what drink chat Blackford iss come on to

(02:37:27):
do it all myself.

Speaker 4 (02:37:30):
I said, thank you so much because you know why
I security.

Speaker 2 (02:37:34):
There really isn't no other platform of hip hop.

Speaker 4 (02:37:37):
No, we will give real talk, but not only that,
we praise our legend, right because every time in our game,
after you get ten years, you're finished. And in every
other music or genre of anything, after you get ten years,
you're a legend. Well come on, man, when you get

(02:37:58):
ten years and hip hop saying you oh it, and
we don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:38:02):
But here that's another place, you know. My I mean,
if I met George Clinton, I know George Clinton. We've
got telling much money, he got break. He's motherfucking George
Clinton absolutely got it, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:38:13):
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digtional swoots. Just so you know that you are George
Clinton and hip hop makes you you may the kids.

Speaker 9 (02:38:28):
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Speaker 2 (02:38:29):
This is my children, all all of them. They might
not look like it, they all my children. That's dope.

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That's all my but you are the George Clinton of
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