Dudes on The AFC North

On today's episode we're talking dudes from the AFC North in honor of the debut of in-season Hard Knocks. Our first dude is a ball hawk with luscious locks. Next, we're talking about a cool guy that's one of the best young QBs in the game. Our third dude is a Baltimore legend that lived rent free in Tom Brady's head. Lastly, we're getting on a nine-time Pro Bowler turned leading man.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
I have to share a quick story, real quick, just
for the and they were not even the show, but
this is just warming up. Rob is so nice. We
have Ralphie and Rocky together, right, guys, they're they're fucking wild.
They're running around, they're all hyping each other. Best friends there,
but they're hyped. And I'm over here, I'm like Rocky
place because they were, they're around. We were trying to
settle them down. And Rob goes Ralphie and he and

(00:25):
little Ralfie's this little little frenchie. Rob's seven feet tall.
He's like, Ralphie, wait, wait Jeels wait, Ralphie. He's like,
wait up, I got a mean voice in there, Ralphie.
I was laughing because Rob didn't have a mean enough
voice to reprimand the dog. That's how nice Robie is.
He had He was sitting there thinking like, how do

(00:45):
I make a mean voice?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
But like the dogs know the tone, the dogs tone.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
If I can get that tone, I can finally get
Ralphie under the wraps and he listens. But if I
don't have that tone, he just looks at me and
laughs and just keeps going and doing what he's doing.
That it doesn't care what any consequences at all in
the back of his mind.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
No, but it was funny to me that you that's
how great of a person. You can't even get a
mean tone. Thank you us, thank you can't get a
mean tone, which is complete opposite of the episode that
we're going to do today. Welcome to Dudes on Dudes.
I'm Julian Edelman, I'm Rob Grandkowski, and this show is
where your favorite dudes getting talked about their favorite dudes.

(01:27):
And on today's episode, we have a very AFS North
type of episode.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
All you Hard Knocks fans gear up because this is
the first time that's going down where they have all
four teams in the division in season Runkle, what do
we get into tough guys having hair like that, Like
does that make you look stronger, faster and bigger? It
makes you look meaner.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
And we get into these are the kind of quarterbacks
you want that you dream of? Yeah, because he's gonna
sit in that pocket, he's going.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
To deliver the book. And also we get into when
I'm glad that his heyday was before my heyday because
I probably want to have had.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Of had a hey day then, like I know, we
tossed around the word legend.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Just unbelievable what he has done.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
And to have that courage to go out there and
represent your community.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
You gotta tip your hat off.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
How easy important for you made it? Really you gotta
stick around to the end.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
This is a fun episode. AFC Nord Tough Division.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Let's you can see what it's about. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Dudes on Dudes is a production of iHeartRadio Gronk What's
eight times four thirty two?

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Just making sure, just making sure.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
On today's episode, we're going to talk about the AFC
North because HBO is releasing this in season hard Knocks
about the whole AFC North, which I'm pretty excited about.
What are your first thoughts when you think of the
AFC North rob.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
A tough division, one of the toughest divisions in all
of football. I mean, you got the Pittsburgh Steelers, you
got the Steel Curtain defense, you got the Baltimore Ravens,
which have one of the well known defenses of our generation.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Of our generation that they're tough, hard nos.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
They take absolutely no garbage, and they're they're there to
make plays and also they're there they'll light you up
if they have a chance out on the field, So
you got to always have your heads up or else
they might take your head off.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Without a doubt.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
It's just it's straight toughness. If you could throw Cincinnati
in there too, And when we played them a bunch,
it was always a one as well.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
I mean, Cleveland was always tough, and that's why they're
they're known as the dog Pound, the dog Pound in
Cleveland at their home stadium.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Man, it really was.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
I mean we lost to Cleveland what my rookie year,
and they didn't have a good team, but they had
a tough soob running back in the Pyton hillis Peyton.
He represented that division like like no other in the
AFC North. I mean, he just he was running fools
over that game, running jumping.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Anytime we played Baltimore, it was always super tough, the
Steelers fucking tough always. I mean we always won those games.
We won a lot of those games, but it was
never easy.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
It was never easy.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
And coach always just stated to us, always repeated himself
that it's gonna take all four orders to beat these guys.
And you gotta be a tough football player. You got
to be mentally tough. In order to win versus anyone
in the AFC North, and the way to win is
that you gotta keep pushing, You got to keep grinding,
and you got to be tougher than them when it
comes down to it in the fourth quarter and you

(04:15):
can't make the mistakes and let them make the mistakes.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, without a doubt, because it was just tough football.
You what do you think about them having a hard
knocks in season?

Speaker 3 (04:24):
So the hard knocks and season, I think it's really
cool for fans and you know, the way that this
generation set up now with social media, all these apps,
you know, and getting insight information on players and getting
first looks at what's going on. I think it's great
for the NFL. I think it's great for players to
get their name out there. I think it's great for
the teams in their city. Just everything's great about it.

(04:46):
I would say the only thing that's not great about
it is if you're just a player and you're a
low key player. And there's plenty of those players in
the NFL that just want to go in and do
their business and don't care about the cameras, don't care
about the pitchers, don't care about them getting the praise
that they should be get. They just want to go in,
do their job, get a paycheck, make sure they do
their job right. And that's the only problem I have

(05:08):
with it is that it just gets in the way.
Sometimes it's just distraction. It can be, so you can't
let it be a distraction. I feel like it's really
not you know, compared to like ten years ago, it
was more of a distraction because there's only one team
doing it. Now everyone's doing it, so it's kind of
the norm. And when it's the norm, it's a less
of a distraction. When something's not a norm, it's way

(05:29):
more of a distraction. So but still, like guys like
you and I, we would kind of take that as
a distraction, like get the fing cameras out of our face.
We want to do what we want to do. You know,
we'll be doing our speaking out on the football field.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
I think it's fucking crazy. I think it's crazy that
I would not want cameras in seeing how we're forming
our team. I'm not going to speak for Bill, but
I'm pretty sure he feels that too, like there's no
way you're getting cameras in there.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
I agree, Well, I'm talking to the business side of football,
is right, I'm talking on the business side. That's great.
But you just said I would hate it, and it
was awesome. That coach, you know, Belichick, never would allow
Hard Knocks to come in our locker room.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
It would drive all of us crazy.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
What are your favorite moments from Hard Knocks over the years,
since you've been watching since when probably you know, since
you were in high school? Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
I I can remember the early ones, back when like
Tony Sarrah Gusa and the Ravens, the Brian Billick Ravens
were on. That was like, I think the first one
and you had Shannon Sharp and then I always used
to love another AFC North I used I used to
love o Cho Cinco what he would call it, say
the kiss the baby shit?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
All right, you like, remember, thank you, thank you for
Hard Knocks because of Joe al Jo. Sinko was a dime,
you know, a diamond, a dime.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
What am I saying?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Dim dimond?

Speaker 2 (06:50):
There we go us.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
I don't know. I don't think that one works.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I thought it did, but he was a diamond then
he was a diamond.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
What about early one? Dola got cut, He got cut
on hard Knocks. When he with the Cowboys, he did
thank you the hard Knocks.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Hard Knocks. Now we can always tease dollars.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I know, what are your favorite hard knocks?

Speaker 3 (07:12):
I would say when I was in high school, the
Cincinnati Bengals were on hart Knocks, and every single person
in our high school watched Hard Knocks and it was
kind of like a full circle moment. I mean, I
thought it was so cool. What was wild? Hard Knocks
made it seem like the movies like Friday Night Lights,
the high school movies where you would watch it and
then you would like turn your buddy and you're like, bro, man,
everyone's so fast, everyone's so big, Like I can't compete

(07:35):
versus those people, Like if I ever get to the NFL,
there's no way, Like look how good they look like.
Hard Knocks made it seem like like space creatures were
coming on the planet Earth and plane in the NFL,
and everyone was just so big.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
It was like slow motion football by the most elite
athletes in Like slow motion looks amazing, and that's all
hard knocks were.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
You slow, like the.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Spiral down and the balls perfect or like slow motion
getting off the ball and like hitting two guys hitting
the sweats coming out. It's just it's very It's like
you said, it's like a movie.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
And then they would show the one guy in the
weight room squatting six hundred and fifty pounds and then
the other guy benching five hundred pounds. I mean, not
everyone was like that, but they made it seem like
everyone was like that, and You're like, how am I
gonna play in the NFL? I ain't. I ain't that strong,
and I'm never gonna be that strong. But they just
made it like a movie to where it was just

(08:31):
so real to watch it was it was it was,
what's the way word I'm looking for, like very cinematic?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
You know, It's exactly. It was like a movie cinematic.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Here we go. So the Cincinnati Bengals wrong. I love
the show, loved watching it. Jonathan Hayes, their tight end coach,
always stole the show. He always brought the juice, and
obviously I paid attention to him more throughout the show
because I was a tight end and I wanted to play.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
In the NFL.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
So a full circle moment, I'm at the University of Arizona.
I went to the combine, but I didn't really participate
because I had backs. So I had my pro day.
So all the teams came out for my pro day
and who shows up to put me through all the
drills one on one coach Jonathan Hayes of the Cincinnati Bengals.
So I thought it was one of the coolest moments
that the coach that I was watching at Hard Knocks

(09:13):
with all my buddies in high school, and that's when
all the shows are the coolest, like Entourage, freaking Hard
Knocks is when you're in high school, you know. So
I'm thinking, like, I'm one of the coolest guys ever
at my pro day because of this situation. He put
me through a hell of a workout too.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Man, I almost need to kill it. I killed it.
I had a wonderful pro day very well. Uh no,
I didn't. I didn't.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, he ended up passing on me. Je ended up
passing on me.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
So got the story the way.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
That not a happy ending, but it truly was a
happy ending because I I got passed on. I went
to the New England Patriots. Happened to me, Baby, let's go.
So let's go to AFC North Jules, who we got
enough talking about hard knocks. Us watching it when we
were in high school, we never were on it because

(10:03):
we didn't care about hot narks. We cared about taking
care of our business out on the field, and that
was gonna speak for us. That was our talking, and
that was the product that we had, was put the
work in and show it on Sundays. It was actually
because Coach Balichick said no us. We would have probably
loved to be honest, it would be fun. No, all right,

(10:28):
nice laugh, all right? Who We got AFC North the
first hour, going tough, tough division, tough defenses, and we
just owned them all because we're tough players.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Now.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
We didn't own them though. It was war for the Steelers.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
We're gonna go with Troy polu Malu, greatest hair, Troy
pola Malu, Tasmanian. What I gotta say, start the clock.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
On Troy Polamalu.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Troy polam Malo, a five ten, two hundred pounds safety,
spent his entire NFL career with the Pittsburgh Steelers after
being drafted sixteenth overall in the two thousand three NFL draft.
I was born in nineteen eighty nine, so I was
fourteen years old when he was drafted into the NFL.
That's just a fun fact out there, so you were
probably at sixteen seventeen. He was known for his explosive style,

(11:17):
nos for the ball, uncanny instincts, and trademark flowing hair.
He finished his career with thirty two interceptions, seven hundred
and eighty three tackles, and three defensive touchdowns. He was
an eight time Pro bowler, two times Super Bowl champion,
and won the NFL Defensive Player of the Year in
two thousand and ten. Wow, that was my rookie season,

(11:38):
solidifying his status as one of the most versatile and
disruptive safeties in the game. He was named to the
Pro Football Hall of Fame in twenty twenty. Well, let
me tell you this, Jewels, he was a little another
fun fact in twenty ten when he was All Pro
safety and I was a rookie. I scored three toutsounds
versus that defense. I scored three touchsounds versus and All

(11:59):
Pro safety that year in two thousand. No NFL Defensive
Player of the Year in two thousand ten. It necessarily
wasn't on him. He wasn't covering me, but still he
was still on the defensive side. Of the ball and
I forgot he was the defensive player of the Year
too in twenty ten. Maniac love him the Tasmanian Devil.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
He really is. I mean I grew up in the
Bay Area, so there was a lot of Polynesian people
in my communities. Like my high school football team was
like probably sixty percent Polynesian, either Samoan or Tongan or Hawaiian.
Anytime there was a like a like a Polynesian football

(12:38):
player that was a stud in our circles, they were
like gods. Like it was when I was real young.
It was Junior Seau and then it became Troy Paulamalu,
who like he was like the god of all gods
for all these dudes that like he was just a
fucking maniac on the field, he was like the nicest dude.
He used to hit guys and do little prayers afterwards

(12:59):
because he was so nice.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Sould.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
I just remember always loving this guy because of all
the Polly's in my neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Did he ever hit you and then like just kind
of like prayed over you, Julian Has that never happened,
you know?

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I remember I had to block him a couple of times.
And I did catch like a ghost route on him once,
but then he like he leveraged me out of bounds.
He'd ever blew me up or anything. He was one
of those once again in that like Cam Chancellor category
where he's like a polite competitor. He never really talked shit.
He was he was kind of all about his business,

(13:31):
and like, that's how I felt when I played against.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
And those are the guys you don't want to tick
off either. Never mean, they're already so good and so
fierce playing on the field, but they're also so nice.
So imagine you just tick them off. You you bring
him to that next level where they're not nice anymore.
Imagine just their amplify, amplifying this, there's amplifying nous. Yes,
amplifying this thiss there we go. Baby. Just imagine how

(13:55):
much more that would be, how much more of those
hits would hurt if you tick them off? What I
the bottom He was a ball hawk bro out on
the field, always around the ball, no matter what the
situation was.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
He was a deep safety.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
And let me tell you he was in the backfield
more than he was back in his own backfield. On
the dee from the side of the ball, making sacks,
making tackles for losses, and well I really loved the
bottom too.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Just knew how to jump the snap. Yeah, by the time,
better than anyone.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
He time snaps.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Like there's like probably like five six plays of him
jumping over the line of scrimmage on like a fourth
and one and grabbing the quarterback and getting a head
start for the QB sneak like. He was just a
guy that knew the football, always around the football, blew
up screens, he was playing in the box always, he

(14:44):
was tough in the run game. He was a great blitzer.
I would say he's a top five, top three blitzer
blitzing safety of all time.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Never, you know, rarely missed a tackle. Do you think
he could have played receiver because just the way that
he was such a ballhawk and the you know, the
ball skill that he possessed.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Probably because he you know, he would have been a
great slot you know, he knows coverage and those guys.
He's very instinctive with space in the field. He always
made tough catches. It's it's different when the ball's coming
to you. But you know, who are the other top
blitzers you.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Think Jamal Adams was a really good blitzer and you
know a more a more recent guy who he was vicious,
he was strong, he was a bulldozer coming through the middle.
He touched me out the club a few times. Yeah,
I saw that. I was right there, remember that. Yeah,
I mean but you you you didn't back down, dude,
And he was a young buck.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
You were hurting.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
I remember, you were hurting, but you still gave it
to him. He could come in. He had himself out
the play.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
He would he would himself out.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
He would literally blow me up, Like I go in
to get the force. He would blow me up. He
would run for fifteen right by him, like you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Well, that's what makes Troy Polo Malu so great is
that he would make those guesses and he would blow
up the play, but he's also making the play. Yeah,
he's not missing, and if he does miss, he's forcing
the play to go back inside, or the to go
outside or wherever he needs it to go. So then
his teammates can make the play because of what he did,
the force that that play to go where it was going.

(16:07):
Just a wizard with the knowledge of the game. Unbelievable
dude in coverage.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
These safeties, especially in this division AFC North, they were
like fun football players to watch. When you watched Troy
Paulamalu or like an Ed Reid or the you know,
these are the guys that we played against and that
are from our generations, so we know these guys. But
you could say that about like the Ronnie lots of
the back days, the at Wells, the Lynches, when you

(16:36):
always had great safety like play, it was like fun
guys to watch interceptions, big hits, you know, fumble recoveries.
He just did it all and he was like a
heartbeat a lot of those great defenses Pittsburgh Steelers had.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I went to high school, actually my senior year in Pittsburgh.
I'm All Pro or All State whatever defensive ends. So
I get invited to this, you know, Pittsburgh galla off
for high school football athletes. And then who's there, Troy
polam Malo. Who's up on the stage. It's a dinner.
Everyone's recognized, and then Troy Polamalu gives a speech and

(17:12):
unbelievable speech. What a guy, What a guy? About faith,
about doing the right thing. All the good stuff gets
around of applause. Absolutely loved in Pittsburgh. This guy I
loved him. Who didn't love even when I was facing him,
I loved him. I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there though,
just like looking at the best safety in the game,
one of the best safeties in the game. And I'm

(17:32):
in high school and I'm sitting there and he's giving
the speech round of applause, and I just literally want
to go up to him and tell him, Hey, I'm
Rob Gronkowski. I'll be seeing you in a couple of years.
I wanted to say that to him.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
How does hair look?

Speaker 3 (17:45):
It was good, looks exactly how it was every single
day that he was playing all the way to this day.
Great hair, unbelievable. So just full circle moment. It was
just unbelievable. I set it to a couple buddies, I'm
going to face Troy polamlo and then four you years later,
I'm facing Troy polam Malu man. So I just thought
that was a cool moment, just kind of put it
in the perspective, kind of manifesting this guy who's a legend,

(18:08):
who's speaking to me when I was in high school,
that I'm going to go over some one day and
it happened, and it was really cool because then I
did over. So can you ask me what happened on
a play when I went versus What did you? So?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
What did you do in your rookie year when you
played him?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Oh? It was my it was well, I scored three
touchdowns versus Steelers my rookie year. But it wasn't versus
Troy Polamalu. The play I'm talking about was my second
year in the NFL. I did an in cut, caught
the ball, Troy Polamlo went to tackle. He jumped on
my back and I brought him for a ride for
five freaking yards. Troy polam Malu went for a ride.

(18:43):
It was like the Tom Brady going for a win
that touchdown, but Troy palam Malo trying to tackle me.
I got an extra five six yards and I'm still
waiting for him to, you know, give me that change
for the ride. You know when you put the quarter in? Yeah,
what do you change where the horse?

Speaker 2 (18:58):
He goes?

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Get up, getting up, porsy like he was ge up,
giddy up, giddy up orsy. Anybody stuck rock He's back.
He played. I don't think he said anything.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
He played really hard.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Maybe he he so he inspired you with that speech
to manifest yourself to go. While he was saying that speech,
You're like, I'm gonna go against him one day, hopefully.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Not hopefully I was going to go against someone that. Wow, Joes,
I know, I.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Know you're a guy about looks and you know, scruffing
up your beard and making sure you got the right
jel to put your hair exactly where it needs to
be placed. But what do you think about the greatest
hair in the game, Troy polam ALUs.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
I mean, he had best hair anyone that was on
the head and shoulders. He been on head and shoulders
commercials for probably about fifteen years. I swear, I mean
him and Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
But I got another question.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Having hair like that, like Troy hat hair, does that
make you look stronger, faster and bigger.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
It makes you look meaner? It does it makes you
look like a fucking warrior? Bro he I could just
see him doing the goddamn hakka when I see that
hair coming at the back helmet.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
And talking about Polynesians as well.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
The hakka there isn't just me, but are all Polynesians
just strong as hack? Right out of the wound, like
they come out like they don't even have to work out,
Like they'll go up. They do work out, they do,
but they don't even have to and they'll just go
up and they'll toss up four hundred on the bench
press like it's nothing. You can't move Polynesians. Man, they're
so strong and they're so they got so much space

(20:23):
to the ground. Yeah, like they're attached, like their legs
are in the ground.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
It feels like when you try to block.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Them via vida vea, he's fucking just.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Massive, three hundred and sixty pounds. You can't move that guy.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Massive.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah. Now, they're they're just strong humans. When I had
lared Hamilton when he talked about the Polynesians and stuff,
he's Hawaiian and stuff, like they're just cool people. They're
very like traditioned and stuff about their traditions.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Time Troy Polamalu, What kind of dude is Troy? Is
he just did a freak dog whizz or dude's dude?
Oh man, he can hit what I mean, he's definitely
a whiz. I mean the knowledge of the dog in
order to be in the backfield basically half of the plays.
To make the plays and be able to time up

(21:09):
the snap count and be able to jump the snap count.
I mean, you got to know the game to another level.
And also to be able to have that coverage that
he has, the range in zone was just phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
You got to you gotta be smart.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
When Yeah, I agree with you. He's definitely a whiz
to me as well. The amount of screen plays that
he blew up just instinctively reading the offensive lineman. You know,
like you watch his highlight film. He blew up so
many screens, pick screens. He also had great zone coverages.
Like you said, he just felt like he was everywhere
on the field and that's that's like very innovative and

(21:43):
he's like just a wizard with how he was around.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Man, I agree Randy. One two three whiz stamp stamp,
whiz whiz. All right, it's out there. It's in the mailbox.
There's a stamp like all over this piece of mail.
But it's well known that he's a whiz. Okay, stand
you can't get off. It's like when it's on your skin,
just under the shot when you go to the bar,
just washing it off.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Like fifty times.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, you come home and that ink, you're like, I
don't want to show my mind, mouse out and you're
just under the sink for ten minutes and.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Then you have red marks and she sees like, Hey,
what were you scrubbing on your your poem or what
were you scrubbing on.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Or is that a hickey?

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, oh man, we'll.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Be right back after this quick break.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Who we got brow?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Put him up his pocket passers in the game right
now ten minutes. Joe Joey B fucking cool to say
I have to say about Joey. Let's say I say
about Joe Burrow. Sending at six four and weighing two
hundred and fifty pounds two hundred and fifteen two hundred
and fifteen pounds, fuck was drafted number one overall in
twenty twenty, and just five seasons he's made his mark.

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Is one of the league's premier young quarterbacks, with three
trips to the playoffs and a Super Bowl appearance. Raised
in Ohio, his college football journey took him from Ohio
State to LSU, where he won the Heisman Trophy in
the National Championship. Having one of the greatest seasons in
college football history. Actually, that's the first time I've ever
heard about Joe Burrow or seen him play, or just

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learned anything about him was the National Championship game when
he was at LSU and I literally was sitting there like,
this guy is Tom Brady of college football and just
the first game I've seen him play, actually in the
first half, just watching him go. But like back to this,
he's not only recognized as an emerging face in the league,
but also for his charitable work throughout his home state

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of Ohio. Jules, what is the first thing you think
of when you hear the name Joe Burrow?

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Joe Cool? First team comes, Mike Kids Cool. We all,
I think we were all watching those those National Championship
year games in like the meal rooms before games with
all of our teammates. You remember watching those and like
you'd watch these LSU teams and yeah, they had a
lot of great players, but he was just dice in
the fulls. I think he beat like every record you

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could beat, passing, throwing yards, this, that in college. So
when he came in, it was like, who's this kid
gonna be? Like he had a stand, he had he
played himself into some craziness, like this guy, who is
this kid? Then he came in, he played, He went
to damn Super Bowl the Cincinnati Bengals like two years
into his career, which was crazy. Like he's just he's

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backed shit up. He's always been the guy and he's
backed it up. I think he's just a calm, cool
collec guy.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Man.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
I love his game. I love watching him play climbs
the pocket like as a receiver. These are the kind
of quarterbacks you want, that you dream of. Yeah, because
he's gonna sit in that pocket, He's gonna find you.
He's gonna deliver the ball. You know, I don't want
guys that are run it because you get the ball.
I love the way he just slides up in that
pocket every time. He's just got such great pocket presence.
And that's why I loved him so much when I

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watched him in the National Championship Game, because that's what
he was showing.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
And that's what Tom does as well.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
The best pocket passers in history actually probably the best,
and that's what makes him the greatest quarterback for all
the time. It's not like he was running around because
he was such a great pocket presence and he would
slide right up, and he just kept delivering that ball
right on the money, and he was he was reading
the whole entire field and every guy was covered, but
he stayed so cool with in the National Championship game,

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and then all of a sudden, he just looked to
his left poop and just dish it off to the
running back. He would get ten and he would just
always know who to go to find the guy that's open,
never force the ball. And if he does force the ball,
he's going to force it in a pocket to where
only his receiver can get it and not the defenders.
And that's what makes this guy so great at the
quarterback position. No ansiffs or busts up butts about it, Jules,

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I know.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
And that's like when when you say pocket presence, when
when you watch a guy like who has good pocket presence,
for example, Brady, it's a it's when he can step
up or slide to the right while he's keeping his
eyes down the field to buy himself half a second
to deliver the football. Like it's not like it's rat athletic,

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but it's like a sixth sense where you know where
to go to stay in the pocket. So the guy
running the hump goes over you. You know, the pocket pressure.
The guard comes this way, you step this way, you
go to your left a little, and it's like a
sixth sense. And you see that with Joe Burrow. There
are so many third downs where he steps up, knows
where his last read is, finds that Incut delivers a

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good ball. You know, I'm really sad about their team
right now because they're really good. I feel like they're
better than what they're doing. But he's a stud.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
And when you have a quarterback like that, I can
step up in the pocket and stay in the pocket
as well, you know, extend the time in the pocket
because he just got the great pocket present. This is
when you actually as a receiver, you cannot cut your
bouts short. No, you have to get all your depth
that you need to get. Say you got a twelve
yard Incut, you have to get the twelve yards because
it's all about timing with this guy. And this timing

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goes from practice to a game because when you have
a pocket present's quarterback, it's not street ball. It's real football,
and it's the hardest football to defend when you got
a quarterback like this. So get your depth in the
in the receiving game, if you're a wide receiver or
a tight end, and do all the little details that
you need to do because that ball is going to
come eventually. You don't know when, but it's gonna come.

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And if you're the fifth read, always be ready for
it because if all four reads are covered, it's going
to the fifth read every single time.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Depth in spacing is only really important on zone man coverage.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
You can break your depth.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
And yeah, man coverage.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
What do you think about when you hear he's a
coach's son, What does that mean to you?

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Coach's son means like kind of like a coach's pet.
But like I don't see that with Joey b Like
that's kind of.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
What he was say the son of a coach?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Is he is?

Speaker 1 (27:44):
He?

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:44):
I think his dad. His dad's a big coaching It's.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
It's literal, he's a coach.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
But you're talking about him being with the Bengals like
he's a coach's son.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
No, no, no, he's literally.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
A coach all right.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Well then, so like in the scouting report, if he's
a son of the coach, is that a good thing?
Is that that means he's smart, loves ball, round ball.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
You know it exists in the family. You know, it's
a trade that that's a pass down. I mean, it's
good to know that family members. The tradition of football
exists in the family. Yeah, that means you got toughness,
that means you got grit. And if one family member
in the decade and then there's another family member, that
means that's a football family and that's who you want

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on your team.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Like if I have a kid, I mean they hear
gronk Is, you know, Mini grok Is on their team
that you want. That same with Jules. Oh we got
little Julian Edelman coming. If you have a boy, but
eventually a football team, maybe your daughter will be the
first kicker, maybe playing football ever know, yeah you never know.
She played soccer right now, so hopefully she is the first.
But they're gonna be like we got.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
An element out of the team.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
This is amazing, Like it's just passed down, Like it's
just a tradition of just football.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Now, just passed down football.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
You gonna get her a flag and you ever meet
Joe Joe cool I have we did it. We didn't
Nerve Shoot Together, Nerve Shoot Okay, or Super Bowl week
before he was about to get drafted. It's him McCaffrey
Adams from from from the Jets at the time, the
safety we talked about earlier and we did this content.

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He was a cool kid. He just got a he's
got a confidence look about him. He's just confident, you know.
It's not cocky. It's just like we had him do
a scene where he had to throw a football, like
one of those little nerve footballs, and the dude like
threw it over the house and like walked off, and
it was just like, yeah, that's pretty fucking cool. You know,

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he's not even trying to be cool, but he is.
He's uh, just comes naturally. It just comes natural.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
You ever meet him, yes, one time and it was
actually this year. So we got to go way back
a little bit, like when Malcolm Brown was drafted to
the Patriots, like whatever, how many years ago?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
That was what.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Twenty fifteen, our first round picked, he tackle out of Texas.
I got a text message that night, the knight of
the draft, and it was like, hey, Rabbits Malcolm Brown,
Like pleasure to be on your team. I can't wait
to get back to work in the football field, you know,
and just to honor to be your teammate. It was
something along those lines, and I wrote back like, man,
you know, great to have you on and that Eventually

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that night called the number and it was it was
not Malcolm Brown. Well, I got duped. It was just
a random fan and they duped me to answer back
and saying it was Malcolm Brown. So my phone number
got passed around somehow, some way, and I got duped.
Like I got got as Marshaun Lynch would say in
his Black Guys, I got got all right, I got
got so now fast forward. I was like, I ain't

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ever gonna let that shit happen to me ever again.
I ain't answering random numbers, Like if someone has my number,
it's because I know they have my number something. That's
my official rule from here on out. After I retired
with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, my second stint in the NFL,
they're like, everyone's still trying to get me to play,
you know, ask me questions in the media, and I
had to do some media rounds. You're like, yo, who

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is the quarterback that you would love to play with
you know to this day, and era like playing right now,
and it can't be Brady obviously. I'm like, obviously, I'm
not gonna pick Brady. I'm like Joe Burrow, but he
because he reminds me of Brady, and I just love
the way that he presents himself in the pocket, went everywhere,
went everywhere, And I retired that year and then I
get a text message, Yo, Gronk, what's up man? I

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saw I saw you talking about me in the media.
It's Joe Burrow, like, I would love for you if
you came to the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I was like, I was like.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
I ain't getting what. I'm like, I ain't getting God again,
like this this is nuts, Like I ain't falling for
this ship, Like I ain't gonna answer. I thought it
was cool as shit, though, I was like, this would
be cool as hell if this is Joe Burrow trying
to recruit me to go to the Bengals. But also
at the same time, he's got to know I'm tapped out.
He does not want me on that team, but he
thinks he does because of my history. But when I'm
tapped out and I know I'm not playing football anymore.

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You don't want me Julis. Yeah, so I'm gonna tell
you that just you know myself naive. I mean, you do,
but you do. I would have still been good. He
still would have been even when you're covered, you're not covered.
I'm at the White Party this year, shout out to
Michael Rubin having the White Party, and I go up
to him. I walk right by and I'm like, oh,
what up, Joe. You know, nice to meet you. It

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was the first time I've ever met him. And then
like within like ten seconds, he's like, yo, you like
something along the line like yo, you never responded to me,
and like I knew exactly what he was talking about.
And I was like, no freaking way that that was
actually you. Bro. He's like, yeah, I texted you like
after you said like that you wanted to play with

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me in the media. I wanted you to come to Cincinnati.
And I was like, bro, I never thought in a
million years that was you.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Bro. I was like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
I apologize man, because I loved Joe b yeah, and
because of Malcolm Brown text message because someone got me.
So I was just at that time, I was like, bro,
I'm sorry bro, I love your game, and I was like,
you don't want me. You didn't want me anyway, So
it was a good thing I didn't answer. I turned
into that. So in that situation, just take a guess,
Just go with your heart, and if.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
You truly believe who's touching you at that.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Moment, you should have faced if you don't know the
number time.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
What kind of dude is Joe Burrow?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
That's easy, man.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
I mean, obviously he's kind of a dude's dude for sure.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
He is too cool. You can't dude's do when you're
too now, when you're too cool. He's got some dog,
you know he does. He's got some wings in them.
But I think he's just a stud.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
He is at That's what I was going with. I'm
not even going to argue with that. The dog that
I saw in him was after National Championship game when
he smoked that cigar and just sat there and like
did those interviews or whatever and took a couple of
pictures with the cigar in his mouth. That was dog
like for sure, But it's also he's steadily enough to
do it.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
They took back and everything he had a little Jerry,
He's got the little he got the Superman curl, He's
got the Superman a little smooth hey, right out the
frosted tips.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
I mean, are you jealous of his Superman hair?

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Look? Hell?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, hell you kind of got that going a little bit. No,
but not to his level.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
No, he's like, I got this straight ass Taylor ware. Yeah,
Joe Burrow, he's too cool. He's definitely stamp it.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Stop.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Let's get on Ed Rear.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Coach Balichick's favorite defensive player besides, who's that guy from
the New York Giants Jewels that he loves as.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Well, Lawrence Taylor.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Lawrence Taylor always gets a hard on for Lawrence Taylor.
But he had another fall. He got about like three
quarterschob for Ed Reed.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
We used to call Ed Reed Edard Belichick. So let's
see what AI asked to say.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Well, you couldn't blame coach Balichick because Red was was
a baller. He was a ball or athletic.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
All right, start the clock.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Ed Reid standing at five foot eleven and weighing two
hundred five pounds at replay safety for the Baltimore Ravens,
Houston Texans, and New York Jets. The Jets when he
played for ye late late twenty thirteen.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
They must have been one season.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
One season. Drafted twenty fourth overall, he just probably wanted that,
you know, final check, because why would he go to
the Jets in twenty thirteen?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
All right, Well, we'll talk about that later.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Drafted twenty fourth overall in two thousand and two out
of the Universe of Miami. He was known for his
high football IQ, play making, abillity, and unmatched leadership. He
was a game changer, finishing his career with sixty four interceptions,
fifteen one hundred and ninety interception return yards cool and
seven defensive touchdowns. He was a nine time Pro Bowler,

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two thousand and four NFL Defense Player of the Year,
and is an all time NFL leader in interception return yards.
I was going to say that right when I heard
that number as well, I was like, that has to
be an all time record. I ran, No, one must
be close. He played his entire career with the Baltimore Ravens.
Oh wait, wait say ai hey A, you just said
he played for three teams. In the first sentence and
now the last sentence. He played his entire career with

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the Baltimore Ravens that ain't true and help bring them
their second Super Bowl victory with a win over the
forty nine Ers and Super Bowl forty seven. Now, he
played for three teams, Houston Texans and the New York Jets.
But he had his best you know, career years obviously
with the Baltimore Raasons, then just finished off with the
with the irrelevant years didn't matter. He's definitely a Baltimore

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Raven for life, Miami Hurricane for player for life.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
The U, I mean he's known.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
He put the he helped put the U on the
map and also helped, you know, put that defense of
the Baltimore Ravens on the map as well. This is
why Lewis the Ray Lewis. I mean, that's why they
were known as the toughest defense in in the NFL.
Ray Lewis Ed Reid And what's his yeah, Tiz Drouse.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Oh loading nada man, that dude, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
He's like Vita vea basic three hundred and sixty pounds,
just massive, blows up holes you can't move them. But
what's the first thing you think of about Ed Reid
when you hear his name, Jules?

Speaker 1 (36:50):
First thing I think of is cover for red area.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Him blowing me up.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
I'm sorry, he.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Blew me up in that. Remember when you played ther first.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, uh remember that we were playing there? Uh he oh.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, he lit me up.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
But you got right back up though I did.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
We ended up scoring you. A tough s o b Jules,
But that nah, he tough son of a gun. He
was just the.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
First thing, like he was just everywhere, like what's that one?
There's that one thing. Two thirds of the earth is
covered by water, the other third is covered by Ed Reid.
Like that.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
That is what I think of when I think of
Ed Reid.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Got to compete against him from a very young age
at my rookie year, and that's when we were going.
They were coming and beating us in Foxborough. We were
battling them in the AFC Championship. You remember those early
years that we battled him. That was like our Denver
in the back of our our career where we were
going playing the toughest, you know what I mean. It

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just was always a battle and Ed Reid was just
a very predictable dude to try to get a beat on.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
He baited QBS in the mistakes all the time, all
the time, all the time you ever meet him.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I never met ed Reid.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
No, I never have man, And it was good because
I really never met him on the field either, which
is a good thing. I played my rookie year, but
I really didn't play that much versus Baltimore Ravens my
rookie year, probably like twenty thirty plays. I never really
had a chance to match up with him, and then
he was kind of onto the next teams, like those
irrelevant years on those teams of just not really playing
Veru some But I just remember him in the heyday though,

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which was good. I'm glad that his heyday was before
my heyday because I probably wouldn't have have had a
heyday then if there's had Reed still in his hey
day when I was there. But just what I really
loved about him.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Was just his range.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I mean, yes, he was a guesser and he baited
quarterbacks and the mistakes, but also he bade him in
the mistakes and then have that range to cover that
mistake that the quarterback is making, Yeah, get you to
throw that deep ball and act like he was out
of coverage. But he was so fast and athletic. He
would go and get that deep ball and make that interception.
You want to know how good a Reid was, how jewels,

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how good he was. What did Tom have to do
in the playoffs in twenty eleven, in that AFC Championship game.
What did he have to do?

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Because that Reid was.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Just that guy.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
I remember he used to have to put in his
on his wristband because you know, for extended plays sometimes
if you had to check with me, you'd have a
lengthy verbiage thing, so we put it on there. Yeah,
I bet you he had the reminder that said fine
number twenty because he was just that big of a
focal point of that defense he was, you know what
I mean, that's how much.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
It wasn't just fine number twenty.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
It was fine number twenty on every play every locate
him and throw the ball the other way.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
It didn't say throw the ball any way.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
But you gotta find him.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yep, you gotta find him. You gotta know where he is.
You got a base to playoff of him. You gotta
alert it, you gotta alert all. When Tom's doing that,
that means he doesn't like where twenty.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Is exactly h without a doubt, And I remember plays
where Tommy used to talk about, you know, he'd watch
ed Reid and ed Reid would be on the ground
and he's got like the deep third and he'd be
on the ground in the box, lying on the ground
like a goddamn lion, and then get up and sprint
back there and go pick a ball. Like that's kind
of instinct that he had. But what I loved about

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Ray also because early on my career I was a
return I was a special teamer, and whenever we played
against the Baltimore Ravens, on all units, he was a
fucking problem on our punt return or our punt team.
He had the up and under on the field goal block.
He had the up and under like he used to
block kicks, scoop scores, He returned kicks for touchdowns. He

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just was an all around fucking unbelievable football player that
young football players need to watch and not try to emulate,
because not everyone can be ed Reid. Not everyone can
do that, but like understand that, like this dude's like
a freak.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
What would you say is the better safety between the
two ultimate safeties in the AFC North Troy Polamalu or
Aed Reed.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
That's so hard. They're different players. I think of Ed
as more of a deep safety, like a free I
think of Paula Malu more of a like a strong safety.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
So I think they're different.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Both just electric football players that you want to play with,
Like I would love to get to play with them,
because the amount of practice against them that you would get,
like it would make you a better football player.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Sure, what iron sharpens on?

Speaker 3 (41:30):
What do you think? It depends on the scheme. It
depends on the defensive coach, what their mindset is. Like
you said, if you have a scheme where the safeties,
you know, are blitzing more and making more plays in
the backfield and acting more of like a linebacker, you
got to go with Troy Polamalu. But if you have
a scheme where it's more about coverage, you gotta go
with ad Reed, no doubt about it. I mean, this

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guy could cover any part of the field at any
given time, even if he's on one side. If he
has one half of the field, he can go to
the other half and give help to the safety once
the ball is released so fast and just so quick.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
And what's so great about him too.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Is just his ball skills man, he would like tip
that ball to him like all the time for an
interception like and then wide receiver skills.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Post interception, he'd be throwing you throw the ball back.
They always you always had to be alert for a
lateral or remember he stole the ball from his teammate
to pick it when he was about to fall down.
Out of players who didn't play for coach Belichick, who
do you think is on the mount rushmore of guys
that he loves, because I for sure Ed Reid would.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Be obviously Lawrence Taylor.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
We just talked we played for him, but that we
didn't play that we didn't play with What do.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
You mean didn't like that coach that that didn't coach?

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah? Maybe that so because he coached Lawrence Taylor. He
coached Lawrence Taylor's out of them, but he's still on there.
He's still he's still on there, Lawrence Taylor.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
All right?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Ed, I would say Ed Reed might might be number one.
Then the guy that coach Belichick never coached, never dreamed
of coaching. Sorry, Devin mccordy, we got your back. You
want to rate dudes on dudes?

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Well, coach Chuck.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Love that read got him.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Who else would be on there? Who else did he love?

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Probably like a. I mean, well, he coached Cam Newon.
He loved Cam Newing. I always talked about Cam Newing,
you gotta contain him in the pocket. But then he
coached Cam Newon, So that one doesn't really count.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
But it was him.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Love Peyton Manny, no doubt about it. Love another guy
at a legend played way back in the day, Jim Brown.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Bill Bill loved Jim Brown. He whenever that is that
is such a good pool because anytime there would be
just guys slapped. We'd be slap digging in the locker
room and Bill be coming in with his little fucking towel.
You know, you go to the treadmill with this binder
and his towel. You're going to watch him film on
the tread and guys be arguing about shit.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
You know.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Bill sometimes would say something. He'd be like, hey, you
know what I mean? And I remember someone guys were
arguing about top top running backs of all time.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Oh it's this guy. It's this guy.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
I think he just said Jim Brown. You guys don't know,
fucking Jim Brown's best football player. Like he loves Jim
Brown loves loves Jim Brown.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
What about Ed Reid's you know college days? He was
he was the guy at the U, Like he exemplified
what the U was all about. Tough, hard and nosed
football players that gave no damn, no damn out there
out on the field, gave it. They're all and this
just represents them in just one play. What you got

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jewels about that? I mean, look at Miami versus Boston
College two thousand and one. Miami was up twelve seven
late in the game and Boston College was in the
red zulum.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Do you remember this play?

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yeah, one of the most famous college football players of
all time. He got deflected into what one of his
defensive linemen ad reed, strips the ball from him and
takes an eighty yards to the house. Yeah, and they
ended up winning eighteen to seven.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Flashy like their defense, Like it just just fun flash Yeah,
we'll put it in. He's also like a speech giver.
You know you look at this one speech. I'm sitting there.
They're up twenty one to three at halftime. He was
pissed at Miami's effort because they were like national champion hopes.
This was when the U is the freaking U. Here
you go and and Ed Reid, I'm hurt, don't ask

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me if I'm all right. I'll put my heart in
this ship. Let's go, man.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
And what happened?

Speaker 1 (45:30):
They go and blow him out forty nine seven?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
And then what what happened?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
End of the year, lose the rest of the season.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
They won the national championship BCS National Championship. That is
two thousand and one. The U was the you who
didn't love you.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
He's on the Mount Rushmore. You guys too, isn't he?
Ray Lewis m h I mean, what offensive guys? Michael
Irving Gores there, Shocky, there's a couple. There's a bunch
of tight ends.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
What about Andre Johnson.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne Orren.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Sap oh Man just goes on that.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
I want to hear what people think. Who's on that
big V. How can you forget about Big vidude? Greg Olsen?
I mean you when we were kids, man.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
You know what. I love the U. Dude.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
I got an offer from the U to go play
tight end there. Yeah, I wasn't gonna go. There was
at the very and I just thought like I was
complete because I got the offer from you, like it
just made me satisfied, Like, yeah, I could play at
the you but I'm not going there, but I could
play that I got the offer.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
I was, you know, very happy, but you when I
was when I you know, when you're in eighth grade
and you do that thing where you write a letter
to yourself and then your teacher saves it and then
sends it to you and you're a senior in high school.
Mine's went along the lines of something like this, like,
it's good to see that you're probably going to be
signing your your commitment letter to University of Miami. I

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hope you enjoyed the sunshine. I wanted to go to
the U so bad. I wrote to myself in eighth
grade to a fucking myself in the future. And little
that I know, I was ended up at JUCO and yeah,
didn't didn't go.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
To the end. And then Kent.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
It was kind of it was close to close because.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
There's that was in your class. It was close.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
That was close. Rounded up at Kent.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
It was like that we can't do the U, but
we can do the Kent, which is kind of near Miami,
but the Miami Ohio. Yeah, yeah, So it was never
offered to go to Kent and then you would still
you would still be in a junior college right now.
To go beat beat you.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
You manifested play against Joey Paul Mulu. I have manifested
play against Miami of Ohio, Baby.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Miami, Ohio grade school. My friend went there to him twice,
and let me tell you, we had a good time.
And my jersey is up on the wall and it
got stolen. It was right next to big bench. Jersey forgot.
The place we went to, oh Man, Miami House was crazy.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Sean McVay went. I played against Sean McVay when he
went to Miami.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
While he's that young, Yeah he's that No, no, he's
that young.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
He's both because he's a head coach, I know, but
he was a head coach ten years ago. I think
he got any twenty.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
What position did he play?

Speaker 3 (48:15):
He was the receiver slot. He had a catch against us, Yeah,
just one, though I don't really remember him.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I trying to get you now.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
I guarantee you remember me. That's what we're talking about,
all right. I love time. What kind of dude is
Edrie oh Man? I mean, definitely a wizard, because you
got to know the game of football, especially on the
defensive side of the ball, in order to bait your

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quarterback into throwing the ball so you can go make
an interception. But he absolute dog too when he made
that interception, brought it to the house, stripping his lineman
in college so he can go for an eighty hour touchdown,
he thought, returning as well as the most electric returns
in most yardage return in the NFL history for the
player Black.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
When you're when you're the superstar on defense and you're
still playing in the kicking game, that's fucking dog.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
That's when you know you're a legend. That's a dog.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
That's when you know you're a football player as well.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Mental toughness, always motivated. You knew met you knew Ed
Reid was motivated.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Heart and soul of the U.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Well, I mean there's so many hearts there.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, yeah, there was so many hearts.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
But one of them one of the heart and souls
of the U. One of the heart and souls. So dog, dog,
dog stamping damp it dog.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
We'll be right back after this quick break, all right.
And to cap off our last all right here, let's
get on Jim Brown what's a I gotta say about
Jim Brown?

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Start the clock.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Jim Brown was a six foot two and thirty two
pound powerhouse. A four spoor.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Athlete at the University of Syracuse. He was drafted six.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Overall by the Cleveland Browns in nineteen fifty seven. He
quickly established himself as a dominant force in the league.
Over nine seasons, he piled up twelve three hundred and
twelve career rushing yards, a career average of five point
two yards per carry, and scored one hundred and twenty
six touchdowns, leading the league and rushing eight times. He
was named NFL MVP three times. Off the field, he

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was a Hollywood leading man with a lengthy film resume
and a noted civil rights advocate. He is Jim Brown
for you, ladies and gentlemen, Jules, what is the first
thing you think of when you hear the name Jim
freakin Brown?

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Here he is ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Like I know, we tossed around the word legend, but
that's that's what I think about when you think of
Jim Brown. There's like so many facets of everything in life,
just life that Jim Brown has done great things in fullanthropy,
supporting his community in the movie business. On the football field,
retired on his own terms. Was a great out like

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an outstanding man off the field that like mentored a
lot of our guys, a lot of football players that
that Cleveland Summit pitcher, which you know, which is a
huge thing for not just our you know, not just sports,
but for our country to see some of the elite
men in sports that everyone loves the community binder the

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sports are to see these guys step out for their
community in that Cleveland Summit him, you know, Jim Brown,
Kareema Jewel Jabbar, Bill Russell, Muhammad Ali, like these guys
were the pinnacle of pinnacle of the athletes, support their
community and have you know, be proud of what they
were and what they stand for. Like that takes a

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lot of balls, really does. That's what Jim Brown was
And that's.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Why I love athletics so much because it doesn't matter
about your race, your background, where you came from. You know,
everything's fair in the athletic world, and you get a
platform as well. And just the way that they use
their platform. Kareema Abdul Jabbar, you know, Jim Brown, Muhammad
al Lee to expand their community and that everyone's treated

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equal and that's just how it should be one. I mean,
back in the day, we didn't really live in that era.
I mean I couldn't even imagine it, like like being
like that, like just unbelievable what he has done. And
to have that, you know, like you said, to have
that courage to go out there and represent your community,
you gotta tip your hat off always. And he's one

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of the you know, main founders of doing that, along
with many other players like baseball players like Jackie Robinson
and those guys. I mean, hats off to them for
their their.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Current, but he's one of He's one of the football
guys for us that was a pillar in trying to
make things better when I think of him. Also, Bill
also loved him because he was a lax guy. I
mean he was a four sport athlete.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
I mean, and to be a lax guy, you know
back in the day like that, I mean he wasn't.
I mean he could what was his for sport he played?
And he played all four at Syracuse too, which is a.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Cross football, basketball, on track.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
How do you do that? How do you play four
sports in college? Like? How Jim Brown did. That's how
I bet he played lacrosse like like like kind of
like a football player. Like no, no, you know when a
football player is playing basketball, though they could still be
the best basketball player in the court, but you could
tell they're a football player.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Like myself, Jim Brown was the best lacrosse player in
the world.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
But I bet you he was like playing like a
football player though, Like when he was getting that lacrosse sick,
he was probably carrying it like a football a little bit,
like right into his chest and just kind of like
stiff roming guys away from him and just running down
the field and then then shooting it and scoring. I
feel like that's how he played. I mean whatever, I
bet you he was just unstoppable.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I mean he shot a seventy seven on his fifth
time ever playing golf. A seventy seven. That's two what
is that? Five over par? Like that's that's when you
know you're fucking You're just touched by God and you know,
like a lot of people want to say, because of
the generation he played this that.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Six three to two thirty two.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Nowadays, if he was in the in the generation of
the science, the supplements, the information, the training, the diet.
If he was in that nowadays, you think he'd still
be two thirty two. This dude was doing that off cobs, milkshakes,
hop tubs, all of it. These guys were doing it

(54:21):
off just like they had another job in the off seas.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
So being two hundred and thirty two pounds back in
the day running four four, running four to four, I
mean he was bigger than some defensive tackles I feel like,
I mean they were only like two forty two fifty.
It's equivalent to him being like two hundred and ninety
pounds right now, just all muscles, just playing.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
You know, in the backfield, he'd be like Derek Derreck Henry.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
And he just ran away from everyone. He was bigger
than everyone on the field at that time, bigger and
faster and stronger, and just the base that he had,
everyone just.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Bounced off him.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
He didn't miss a play rob in his eight year career.
Can you imagine I'm missing a play And this is
back when you know these guys they didn't.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Have Matterson wasn't the same.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
They didn't have great cleats, they didn't have any equipment.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
The rehab was it was totally different.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
You just went out there cigarettes on the sideline.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Drinking, freaking a shot at halftime and.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Then also like one of the first black action heroes. Hey,
I used to love Dirty Dozen. I loved him in
The Running Man. I used to love that movie. And
the guy lives right down down the street for me,
the guy that produced it. I got a shout out
to him. See him walking all the time. He's always talking.
I'm remaking The Running Man. I'm remaking The Running Man.
I'm like, awesome, man, what's well?

Speaker 3 (55:36):
What my favorite thing about it? I never seen The
Running Man. I gotta see it now. So oh, you
love and hang out with the director as well and
feel cool like now he's a director, producer.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Or the producer.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
I mean kind of the same thing back in the day.
But he posed for Playgirl like that was my dream.
Like there was always Playboy, and I actually never knew
play Playgirl. Did you say your dream was deposed? It
was okay, Jules, because here's a fun fact. I didn't
know Playgirl existed until I was just looking up some

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notes on Jim Brown, and I was like, he he
posed for Playgirl, like I always said it growing up.
You got to call my mom and ask her like,
what are you gonna do? I'm like, I'm gonna pose
for Playgirl. I never knew Playgirl actually existed. I always
just like I want to start Playgirl, But it existed,
And I didn't know that until I just read these
facts about Jim Brown a couple of days ago, when
I just looked him up and he literally posed, and

(56:29):
he posed what his piece hanging out is bare knuckle berry? Like,
imagine imagine doing that all right, having a well grown
on bush too while posing.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
I back in that a seventies, Oh my gosh, you know, Eric,
would you post?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Would you post for?

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Because Slate used to talk about Eric Dickerson. He's like
Eric Digerson was on Playgirl. Jokerl so bad?

Speaker 3 (56:57):
What'd you have pose for Playgirl? Like, say, ten years ago,
your young twenties. I don't even think play Girls round.
I don't even know it was a round I did.
We did body issues. It's kind of the same thing.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Yeah, you know, different though, because this wasn't like we're
just sitting at the pool table with our dings egg.
You know, we were doing like jokingly stuff.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Play Boy and play Girl were notoriously known more of
like I actually knew about it. My suck symbol if
you're in it.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
I remember being at one of my friend's house when
we were like thirteen. He's like, look at this. Look
at I found in my mom's room. I was like,
oh my god, what is that? It was a playground?
Wait the mom?

Speaker 2 (57:35):
You just told that story. Oh it wasn't your mom.
It was your friend.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
That wasn't.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah, my friends.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
And when I heard, I.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Like, jewels, you're saying that about your mom? All right,
who's your friend? Though you could definitely say it right now,
you definitely say your friend's name.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Dude, is there any movie roles that you'd quit football for?

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Well, why why did did he quit football for?

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:55):
For Dirty Dozen? Yeah, they thre they threatened the final,
and that's why you were in the training camp.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
And instead of he's like, I'm gonna retire. Then that's
a dog. I mean he was.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
It is a dog, but he was probably making more
doing movies and playing football ata and he didn't.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
It didn't hurt. His kindname is a play so you
know he was hurting.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
And he had the dog for movies too. That's why
he was showing it off. He was just setting up
his career for After Football too.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Hey, you remember, speaking of movies, remember when we did
the movie we did Urge.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yeah, that was so fun.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
You know.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
I was a method actor for that movie. Like the
role I was supposed to play is, you know, be
beat up, beat up ground and I actually just had
my knee surgery, so I was already beat up.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
But we put a cast on me too.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Yeah. I remember, like my arm was broken. And also
we were at a party, so it was like me
being hammered. And I was actually hammered for the role.
So we weren't hammered, but I was.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
I was feeling good, Jules.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
I don't feel like to say that we were able
to do that on set, but now.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
You can't because it was ten years ago.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Was it ten years ago? Remember I gave you a
beer bong you did?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
That was a real beer bong.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
That was real. It was it was method acting. Love
that show. It's kind of like Hard Knocks. We were
talking about Entourage and Hard Knocks. In high school was
my glory days of watching television shows. It was those
two and those two only, and I just lived up
to want to be like that. I wanted to be
like that. Football player and Hard Knocks. I wanted to

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be like the guys in Entourage. So thank you for
those two shows for giving me that motivation to be
that guy. There we are, Jewels, you're giving me the
beer bomb. It was a real beer bong as well.
That was so we should we should have quit football
like Jim Brown. I know we actually no.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
We didn't want to know. We didn't win a super
Bowl chance. Remember we weren't super Bowl then.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Now, we weren't super Bowl championship, but we were awesome. Man,
we were freaking awesome. Jewels time.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
What kind of dude is Jim Brown? They say, I'm
not joking when you look him up in the lacrosse community.
They don't look at him as a football player that
played lacrosse. He's like a lacrosse guy. He's in the
National Lacrosse Hall of Fame, on Everyone's top five list
of all time football player. This guy is just he's
got the pedigree of everything. What's that make him actor

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pivotal person in his community, not just his community, but
in all communities, Like he transcends community. That's how That's
how big of a person and a guy he was.
And he's just I think he's just flat out stud.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
What do you think, I wouldn't say freak besides that,
you know that pose and the playgirl. That's where he
was a freak. But we're talking about his athletic ability.
He was definitely a freak. He was the fastest, biggest
guy in the field. No, yeah, but but he wasn't
intriguing to be like a true freak, like looking like
a true freak. He was. He was freaky, But I

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bet you not like not like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
He's definitely more of a stud.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Well he's as a football player and as a you know,
athletic type of guy. But he had some dog in him.
I mean, whiz. I mean, you gotta be you gotta
be smartest hacking order to play all those sports.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
And didn't miss it. He's probably a huge dude. He
probably kept everyone in check in a just a different
Jim Brown kind of way.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
But I feel like all those characteristics d lead to
being a stud. You got to be a stud all
over the place. He gotta be and to be the
best at it all. And whatever he did off the
field or on the field, he is stud. He's just stud.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Well that's been another episode of dudes on, dudes, what
can we do better?

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Next episode? Rob, so scout it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
I think we're getting better.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
We are getting better.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
We're bouncing off each other very well, which I still
we are were still young. It's like me, I was
playing poker the other day and I started off slow,
and I was figuring out the game more and more
as the time was going on. I played ten hours,
and I feel like I was a better player at
like the seventh hour of playing than the first six
hours I was playing, because you start picking it up.
But we're still new to podcasting. Game played against Phil Hellmuth?

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Did you take Antonio another pro? I took down Phil.
He took me down a couple of times. But I played.
You know, I was in there, man. It wasn't like
they were.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I held my own. It was a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
But we could definitely get better, man, I would say
so without a doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
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