December 7, 2025 • 29 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Games of Names. I'm Julian Edelman, and we
got a brand new compilation highlight reels starting now.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Now, Julian and Lorenzo Nio go in depth explaining blocking
and running schemes.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Now, you used to do powers bosses? Did you wham
it all? Oh? Yeah, Well, can you explain the difference
of each of the the things that each of the
assignments you had?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yeah, absolute would say like we had forre mentions.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So you had a wham wham.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
A wham is usually when the three technique, the guy
whoever positioned the big motherfucker in the middle in the
middle and the guard flashes him like I'm blocking, and
he slips him and lets the go to second level,
goes to the second level up to the linebacker, and
now the big guy in the middle comes through and
he thinks he's got a wide open and I'm right
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there at ear hold him and get him.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So that wham is you against tackle? Yes, bam, bam,
use it bam.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Is either when I can come, I can line out
like the X or the Z and they can motion
me in and that's kind of when the crack. I
did that to Dwight feenie. That's kind of how we
did the crack.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And when you're getting toss outside line, outside linebacker or
the d N and that's yeah, and we call usually
like ninety or seventy crack or you know, toss crack okay,
gator tng okay, and we've come down and hit that
defensive end, Dwight Freenie.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I got him, had him. I had him the.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Year they went thirteen and and we're the only team
to beat him. I think thirteen thirteen three. Yeah, you
got to pull it out and I was getting freeye.
So what's boss? Boss means? A boss is when the
line when you pitch the ball back on safe back
on strong safety yep, So boss, excuse it. You have
the guard tackle pulling around. He's kind of your garden tackle.
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They're pulling around, cleaning up. The linebackers turn in and
it choosy boss back on safety to Z or the X.
When you're going he's coming down blocking and cracking and
the usually opens up the safety and the full back.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So boss, I love boss because they're a little small.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, boss, Boss, I knew they were going to try
to cut me and if they stayed up on their feet.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
They had no chance. Shot, no shot. Power.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Power is that's when the thirty and sixty power, forty
sixty power, whatever it is, you know, sixty or seventy power.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
That's when you have a down block.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
The fullback is running the track, he's going where the
tackle was. The tight end he's blocking, he's blocking down.
The usual to guard is pulling so and then power.
I'm kicking out the end or whoever the end man
is on the line of scrip. A linebacker, a defensive end.
You could be an edge guy that you're just your
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power and you're going boom. That's where it's power because
you got two guys of power. They're blocking down. It's
a pull and full back at the point of attack.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
What's another one?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I love Iso, Iso, and that's you in the middle,
Me and the middle linebacker. Isol was my bread and
butter because the guards fans like he's showing pass and
boom the whole yus.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
He opens up.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Linebacker takes a step back and he realized it's it's
it's lead and he's got to come make a decision.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Love lead, love, power, lead load ice io. Yeah, ma'all.
And so that is that all of them. Yeah, you
know what you had that or you you know you
had that, and that's what you gotta you young, young fullbacks.
There's six right, six plays that you have to just
not give a fuck on about your body. Yeah, that's all.
That's what fullback is. That's why you say it's about
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to quit, right, because you you know the sixth plays.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Right right, and then we had Hey, you ain't going out.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
You ain't gonna get his right.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
You gotta earn the right exactly, and you'll get rewarded
every now and then you do. You do your job
like we and then you have you know, like Bob,
Bob is back on backer, so we that's when the
weak side play where it's like me blocking the wheelbacker
the guy in the bubble, so guards covered. You know,
guard's covered, you inside, guard uncovered, you're going outside because
the guard, if he's uncovered, guard can go up to
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the backers. That means you got to go off the
outside backer.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So we got to get So when we're cutting all
this up, we'll have an example of each of your explanation, okay,
with a film cut up of it. It'll be fun. Yeah,
I can't wait to see what you like we'll cut
all this ship. You know, we will cut and spice it.
But like we'll see if we can get all the
bam boss bob. Okay, it'll be It'll be fun. That'll
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be that you remember license the footage? I know. Can
we not do that yet? Don't we still do it?
Not yet? I got a question for you.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
So we've talked about all the different running backs that
you've balked for Now do you have to change or
adapt how you operate? Like, because Mike also has a
very different running style from Ladanian Thomason.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Does do they want different things out of you? Or
is your job pretty much the same and you just.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Go for it? No?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I think when sometimes you know, like LT is like
all right, cool, he's paid, he's guy that boom boom.
You want to just you want to make sure that
you're going at a good speed, be square and let
him choose where he wants to go. Corey Dillon, he
gonna run up your ass, you gotta be. If you don't,
he gonna hit you in the back. So you better
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frigg and go and make a create a hole. You
want to make sure you're doing him and Eddie Eddie Eddie.
You know, he's a little longer, so it's hard when
he gets going. He wants that forward lean Eddie George,
so you're just going to go. But yeah, there's different
there's different little tweaks that you that you want to do.
A guy like you know Sprosy, you don't. He's back
there moving, so you got to say, hey, Spros, let
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me step on his toes first, meaning that I want
to get close enough to him.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Before you do it.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
You know, a running back job is to set the
block up exactly if you're running the outside, if you're
running the lead or running or running like a Bob downhill,
he needs to hug that double team because the guard
is is you know, the guard is there acing or
trade blocking up or i mean hip hip hip the hip.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And they're gonna go up to the next guy. Yes,
And they can only do that if the running back
sets it up, because if the running back goes here,
why then he's gonna come in. He is gonna get it.
So he's got to be patient and run off the
ass of that guy, press it and then it'll naturally happen.
And then you read off of that. So it could
you could go slip in there, or if he hugs
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him and wraps them, then you just go right you
can go back door.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
But if he comes off right away, then linebacker then said, man,
that linebacker he fired is done. He made he made
the tackle in the backfield is because the guard didn't
hug it long enough and he just lets him shoot
shoot the gap or he gambles. So as long as
he does that, that linebacker has to stay home. So
that's what That's one of the things that you read
just watching the game.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And that just develops over to.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
More stuff.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
You guys communicate on the sideline.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
You to develop that and you watch other tape doing
it and also situations right like what what's the situation
is a third? You know this is a thirteen inches
fourth and inches. There's like certain points where they know
the vulnerables part of part of the defense where they
have to win for the play to work, they have
to be at a yard in the end zone for
you to win, for this to win, then it becomes inertia. Yep.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Was there a running back from the history of the
NFL that you wish you could have blocked for?
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, you know, I really, really, really wish it's brilliant
or not.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
The emmins.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I mean Barry Sanders at times you just said, man,
because he really didn't like a fullback at times. Yeah,
so just to see what to change him. Yeah, you
want to change them. That could change Barry, Baby, let
me change Barry the bear. You would have ran behind me,
I said, you would have stayed in there. Yeah, I
mean there are some backs, man, that you just looked
at over the years that you say, now today's game.
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I would love Derrick Henry. Yeah, yeah, I mean because
he likes.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
To be straight. The fun would that have been to
see that, just getting you into him. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
The Niners would Christian because as they do those stretch
Niners make you cover every blade of grass because they
got that stretch play. So when you're running out there,
that linebacker's moving sideways. I'd love to be able to
get those guys on skates it strong arm them and
just they're gonna go find so they can't cut back.
So and Christians, that guy who presses the hole, he would,
he'd make you look good. McCaffrey runs a lot like
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LT in some sense far as when they the running
the way they press the hole.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So that pressing is like, that's that's like the main
thing for a running back. That's that's what differentiates a
college running back to a pro running back. In college,
a running back can just hit the hole and break tackles.
You can't do that in the league. You have to
set up and be patient with your with your line.
There's a line to every run, and there's a way
that a track they call it. You got to hit
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the fucking track. Run the track, the track, and the track.
Like so a lot of these young running backs styill
cut before the block is ignited, and then so it's
an early cut because it looks big and it looks
like it's there. But that's it's it's just a mirage
because this guy's going to float over the top. Right,
So guys like Christian McCaffrey and l t who's all
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pressed rate, they press it, they'll damn near come right
off your heel and then fool speed put their foot
in the ground and then go that And and that's
the hardest because once the linebackers waiting, linebackers waiting, Oh shit,
he's gone, he's gone. And that's that's what the great
running backs do. But It's it's like one of those
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things where you know you have guys over here, you
have another block over here on the with the you know,
the receiver whatever, there's another matchup. But he's got to
feel that and like press that and then you know it.
You know that's like the number one thing. It is
the running back. It is no question.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Next, Andrew Whitworth explains how offensive linemen prepare for games.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
How'd you prepare to face this elite D defensive line
or defensive defensive and what is your like what do
you look at when you were watching the film when
you were playing? Are you looking at scheme? Are you
looking at individuals? Break us down with that?
Speaker 7 (10:09):
How your prep process when it came to tape really
it As a young player, it was really about studying
habitual movements. I mean so for me, I was a
big you know, I grew up playing basketball. I didn't
play football really until high school, and so I was
always thinking of myself as I'm a power forward and
somebody's trying to go dunkle basketball and how do I
keep my body in front of them? How would I
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prepare for the things they like to do? So I
looked at past rushers, whether it be a James Harrison
or Terrell Suggs or Dwight Freeney. Early in my career,
as it went on the von Millers and Khalil Max
and then now the Nick Bosas and Miles Garrett. I'm
studying the pattern of how they really move and I
want to learn their steps and how their body moves
and on what step they like to come off with
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certain moves, and what's their go to move oh man,
and how their hips and knees and what are little tails?
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Like?
Speaker 7 (10:57):
Is their hand really high on a spiny? Is there
inside lift? Does their outside go down?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
You know?
Speaker 7 (11:02):
Do they kill their hands really low before they bull?
Do they keep their hands high when they're gonna hand
squat like? I'm studying all those movements to where my
mentality was is it's you know, you see at the
combine they do this like drill where you like shadow
a guy like kick your feet and try to keep
up with them. My mentality was, I should be making
that step before you ever make it, because I should
know what you're gonna do before you do it, and
so I would go out. I remember Derrek Goff when
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I first got to the Rams like being a young QB,
like you know Jerry, if you know Jerry, like just
kind of nuts.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Sometimes he's like just.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Gonna sit and hey, we you doing man, you know,
And I would be out there like repping Chandler Jones's
moves and he's like, why why are you doing chals moves?
I'm like, if I can do them and kind of
have a feel for him, then like while he's rushing me,
I kind of in my body even though you don't
see me on tape doing that, I'm kind of going
through the motions of how he's moving while I'm taking
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my set to where I kind of know exactly when
like oh he's gonna hit me, yeah, you know, or
oh he's gonna pull away, and so I pull away.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Like so it's like.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
I'm kind of studying and learning their moves and trying
to move.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
When they move. And that's what It's a dance, baby,
it is dance. You know. It's very similar for a
receiver when he's preparing against defensive you know, a dB
you know, is his feet stagger when he's gonna be
an offhand jam. It's all those little things that you
sit and you watch so you subconsciously digest it and
it allows you to react when you're playing. Yeah, I
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think Coop.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Always told me this, like and it made me think
of like him being the rusher, like, you know, kind
of being able to like what foot is it that
that little has he come? You know, It's like it's
not always off of two, it's not always off of three,
Like sometimes it's one more and then it's the same
move to where in their minds they click, oh, it's
this route and then I actually do it off of
this step. You know that type of stuff, And they
always thought of like, man, that's the guys that could
get me or were different, Like I've talked to a
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lot of veteran tackles Trent Williams, because we always joked
like when the guy comes off the bench that we
don't know, that's like a nightmare. Because I would rather
face Nick Posa every play than like, wait.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Who's this guy? Like who is this kid? Like is
he fast?
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Is he low?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Is he powerful? Like?
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Those are the guys that actually made you nervous because
I don't know his exact pattern and that would scare
me more than like a guy that at least I
know what I'm going to get Yeah, that's right there, folks.
That's offensive hundred. Yeah, that's not two hundred three hundred.
That's that's class level. That's way up there, five six
hundred class level.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Right, What does that any mean? Yeah? Well, you know,
like you go to well, you could go to class
and college.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
So one hundred, two hundred three hundred, that's like your
basic level classes.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
This is like class level. Can't can't stay baby, it's advanced. Yeah,
you're add on that.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
How do you think, like, if you put yourself across
the line of scrimmage, how do you think defensive ends.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Are looking at your tape?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Like what are they what things are they queuing in
on you?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Or how do they think they prepare against someone?
Speaker 7 (13:47):
Like honestly, I think most of them just know that
you're number seventy seven. But no, but there's a couple
of guys that probably study more than that. I mean
a D is literally like that's seventy three, you know,
and I'm going to annihilate this guy. But I think
like probably when you're talking about the really elite guys,
they're thinking of how they could maybe adjust things a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
But the nature of what they do.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
And I you know, I've gotten a chance the last
two years to work with young rushers and stuff like that.
Like last year, you know, it was publised a lot
that Mike and I worked together for a week. And
it's those guys. You got to remember they have to
get to the quarterback. And this is the other thing
I teach young linemen that want to know. I'm like,
you do realize it's their job to get to the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Now my job.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
So as long as we can dance, and you want
to dance, fantastic, show me a guy's got a ton
of moves. That's awesome because I am gonna just keep
giving you nothing and you're gonna keep doing moves and
the ball's gonna be gone. And then you're gonna tell
me about how cool your move was, and I'm gonna
be like, great, I get paid so that you don't
hit that guy. Other than that, like great, you're gonna
have a lot of awesome moves and you can be like,
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oh man, I kind of got you at the end.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Cool.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
So that's my thing is those guys that it's they
have limited time to get there, so they kind of
have their way. They rush and so when you're talking
to those guys, to me, I always tell them like,
don't waste time, like attack, be violent, get to the quarterback,
and then you got to just trust the moves you
have as a tackle. Though, on the other side of it,
it's be patient, be calm, be under control, and really
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just be ready for the moment.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
They actually attack.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
So it's two sided really, if you want to be
really good at it, it's the two things. Like for
the one side, it's patience and stability and balance, and
on the other side, it's attacking at all times with
a relentless effort and really a violent mentality to get
to the quarterback. And so it's really to me that's
the difference of the two positions is that they can
watch tape, but it's more just for them. Do you
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punch a lot or do you not punch a lot?
Like me, I never never ever start my arms out.
I mean I looked at it like in basketball again.
I go back to this like if I'm reaching, I'm dead, right,
you reach your fee, stop, you're dead. So I'm never reaching, right.
So the only time I'd ever reach is a guy
who I knew was really terrible at speed if he
had no speed. Now I'll grab you because I know that,
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Like even if you've got my hands, I'll be okay, yeah, sorry,
I know this is thrown into this.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Is what we people love this love crafts the game.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Next, Max Crosby explains how he breaks down his own
game film.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Now we had Whitworth on stud I love god love that.
And he would he would talk about he felt defensive
ends didn't scout their tackles. Do you scout tackles? And
like what their strengths are. He can always tell if
a guy watched film on him or or just throwing ship.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Yeah, no, I definitely do you know I come from
a I mean the guy. My biggest influence as a
coach has been Rod Marinelly and he probably heard of him.
He had Warren sab Julius Pepper's numerous Hall of famers.
I had him my second and third year and that
was my last I mean this season right here, that
was my third year and that's where I took off.
And that dude is all about watching your film. Like
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he's like every lineman you go against the fucking gray
face black it's nothing. They're all the same. It's like
if you do what you're supposed to do, get off pad,
level hands, fight area. If you understand all the things
you're supposed to do at the best of your ability
and apply it, it doesn't matter who the fuck's in
front of you, and it doesn't matter what they do,
They're eventually gonna get broken, you know what I mean.
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So that's I watch film on other guys. Of course
I try to pick up during the week. All right,
who's giving away pass, who's given away run? What little
things I can pick up. But majority of the film
I'm watching is my own film on repeat. I watch
my practices every night, and then I'll watch a game
or two games, and then okay, I'll throw on this
guy versus.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You know whoever.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
But at the end of the day, I can't sit
here and watch the Steelers versus Giants and expect them
to block me the same way they block some other guys,
because you can go into the plant. Okay, they're gonna
do this and this, and then they fucking throw three
people at me, you know what I mean. Like we
went too the Colts game this, I mean, week seventeen,
Robbo comes up to me. Rob Ryan, one of the
coolest fucking dates I've ever I'm at great coach.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
He comes up to me, all right, this is the
week colts don't.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
They don't chip. They just they five man up. They're
gonna man you and I got double team chip the
whole game. Yeah, and I'm like, fuck, you.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
But that's why, Like I can sit there and anticipate
and think they're gonna do this and whatever. But for me,
if I'm at my best and I'm doing my shit
at the highest level, then it doesn't matter what they do.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, you're what they call a problem. You know, if
when I was playing, we were to ever play a
guy like you. You're at that caliber where you're dedicating a
thirty play clip in front of the whole team and
the team meeting like one of the keys to victory,
which is never usually a player. But Crosby's that kind
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of guy where he's a problem and you can see
it in the run game. You could see it in
the past game. They're sending chips running backs.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Next up, Julie explains what leverage is in football.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I think I'm fairly knowledgeable football player, but whenever you guys.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Talk about leverage, can you playing leverage.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Could you go over it, educate, let's go. So you
said two different things there. When you said position yourself
closest to the quarterback, that's called stacking in the receiver room.
We're talking, we're in receiver room. Because leverage is used
throughout all of football. Leverage could be pad pad level
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for defensive lineman's got to get your leverage. You know,
for defense a lot of for us, attacking leverage is
attacking what they're trying to protect. So if it's a
post safety, there's one safety in the middle of the field,
they're trying to funnel everything to that one safety. So
everyone's going to have outside leverage. So for a receiver,
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when you're trying to gain leverage on an outside guy,
you got to do something to get outside of him.
That's what everyone talks about in leverage or in you know,
when you're attacking a leverage on you know, for a receiver,
say you have an off defender who's covering you and
he's got off inside leverage. You have an inbreaking route.
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How I was taught to always run routes, which is
different in a lot of different systems, is to attack
the leverage. So he's trying to protect probably inside, so
you attack him, attack them, and you're bringing them all
the way in until you can finally get in. You're
trying to break the leverage. That's what the leverage is.
When you say positioning between the closest to the quarterback,
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that's usually like a downfield throw. That's what I'm thinking
of when when when I hear that, when when you
see greats like Randy Moss, what they do is they
stack the defender, so they put their body in between
the defender and where the ball is, you know what
I mean. So you're using your back and then you're
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using your body to block him while letting the ball
come over. That's like stacking. I don't know if that
had anything to do with the closest the quarterback, but
that's that. That's do you guys get that? So leverage
looks so just.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
From clarification for leverage, just to help me, you're on
you're a wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
You're on the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
You're being lined up. It's a man coverage. You're being
lined up directly across is a cornerback if they're if
they're head onto you like lined up feet the feet
there's no leverage there. If they're inside, he has inside
leverage to you, and if he's outside, he has outside leverage.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yes, now if he's head up on you, how you know,
what he's probably trying to protect is the safest.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Safety if the safeties, if there's two on the outsiders too.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
If there's two safeties, he's going to be trying to
protect the inside because the vulnerable spot of a two
safety shell is the inside of that, that middle inside part.
That's why you always see like tight ends down the
middle because they're with those seam reads, you know, So
like that's what they're trying to protect because they have
help over here. So whenever you hear a defensive coach
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say keep your fucking leverage, he's telling the defender, do
not let the guy outside of you. Okay, we have
one safety in here. Your help is inside. Do not
let him outside. I don't care if you have to
grab him, I don't care if you have to run
to the fucking sideline. Your help is when he goes inside.
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If he beats your leverage and stacks in and breaks it,
there's no help. You're on an island. So that's a
lot of the leverage.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
So if you want to get a defensial coach would say,
you want to lose opposite of your leverage because you
have help there.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
If you're a corner, we've got a key, yes, because
you've got a safety back there or what else or
a linebacker or whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
And then continuing this from like a offensive line perspective
or like blocking perspective, we talk a lot about like
nine block or nine technique blocks from a tight end.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, is it for me?
Speaker 4 (22:56):
This question for me is that talked about a lot,
because that's when a tight end has to make like
it they have they don't have leverage, but they still
have to make the block.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
They get into. Like there's different like techniques for those
guys and footwork for those guys to gain the leverage
or to set the line of or to set the edge.
Sometimes when you have an outside like Rob would be
the perfect guy to talk to you about this. But
if you have outside leverage and you have to gain
the leverage, they do these little drop steps and then
they'll go and they'll connect and then if he if
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he's still keeping the edge, you're setting the new edge.
So the running back has to go inside that Okay,
so I don't really I'm not like a doctor in that.
But for leverage, for route running, it's usually what they're
trying to protect. You're trying to or you know, you're
attacking that that protection side or what they're trying to protect.
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And the great route runners like you watch, like DeVante Adams,
you watch back in my day Stevie Johnson, he was
really good at like breaking the leverages, you know what
I mean with releases. Guys that can break those leverages
are crazier. If you see an out like it and
and you could you could win that leverage at two spots.
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You can win that the beginning part of the route
with the release, or you can win it at the
top of the route. So sometimes you'll see an incut
where the defender keeps that inside leverage and the receiver
just goes and he's and he's trailing them inside Like
a really good route runner wo would have got in.
But if sometimes these guys get paid a lot of
money too, and they kind of know what's going on,
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you have to win at the top of the route,
So you have to do something to get that leverage
at the top. Now, is that the slow down jab
step jab in, out in, out in and then have
him undercut and then you're collecting your leverage. You know
what I mean?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Is that kind of like what you were talking about
when we had Cooper cup on. Yeah, but you were like,
you like the gain leverage on the line and he
likes to do it on the break.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Mmmm, that is how I interpreted it.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Yeah, I'm sure way more nuanced to that.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I don't know. Maybe I gotta I gotta call my
receivers because I gotta call shatto ship. I need a
little bruhatio studio doctor leverage, doctor doctor left And guys.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
Don't confuse this with the tn T crime drama Leverage, uh,
starring Timothy Hutton. This is Football Talk, Football Talk, not
the mid Notts tn T. We know drama lineup going
now now.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Nate Bner explains what football players could learn from rugby players.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
What could an NFL guy learn from rugby? All these
laterals did you see like Travis Kelcey and all these
guys that's like really coming into the game.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
I think it's great.
Speaker 9 (25:37):
I think they could learn a lot from tackling, especially
in space. You know, it's like one thing when it's
third and one, and you know, it's two back set
or something, and the defensive lines got to take on
the guys.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
But you know, the tackle field tackling, you know, gallop. Yeah,
we did a lot of really good gallop. We did
a lot of really good stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
From your feet in the ground and fucking guy, you're done.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
We had a lot of good tacklers too.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
I bet and no with the Patriots, Oh yeah, because
we did some good tackling stuff. And I just think
they could learn a lot from tackling. I think a
lot of guys would learn what really being fit is,
because you know, a lot of guys think they're in shape,
but I mean, I guess we are for football. But
it's just like your ability to never get tired is
the greatest feeling in the world.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That is. I mean I felt like that from like
twenty six five to like thirty twenty nine, twenty nine,
I started getting tired, Like I could see in my conditioning.
When off season you start getting tired from injuries or
whatever it is, or you're older, do you notice that
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the older.
Speaker 9 (26:39):
Guys just start getting My body just the wheels fell
off at thirty two, and I held on for another year.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
And they were just completely off at thirty.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Three's what's the difference between an NFL locker room and
a rugby locker room?
Speaker 5 (26:50):
That's what else what I was gonna say.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
You asked what could guys learn from from rugby guys,
and I'd say, just culturally, it's just like no me guys. Yeah,
like they're just not unexistent in the rugby world. Like
the guys are always such good guys. The culture is
so good, and it's such a team first mentality, and
I mean, we do that. But like you see the
Prima Donnas in the NFL, and like, just like the
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amount of meanness and in the NFL is crazy when
I see a whole other side of it and in
a team sport like rugby where there are guys that
control the game. But you know, I think you really
understand rugby, like it takes everybody to make a play go,
you know, and we get you know, some waters your
position seems to be the Prima Donnas. But like I
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not you, but your position, and you know, they they forget,
they forget there's an offensive line blocking for Tom and
you know or whoever, and Tom's throwing the ball and
you got other guys are running clear out routes and
then people are blocking down field for him, and then
they get in the end zone.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
And it's just like I did that, Fuck you, dude.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I know there's a lot of that now.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
Yeah, So that that's probably the biggest thing I take
away from them is how vastly different the cultures are
for two pretty much team sports, you know, And you know,
I would argue though in the NFL, you almost kids
come up in that though. You gotta be noticed, you
gotta you know, you gotta be about you and let
everybody see how good you are. And we build that
culture in American sports because that's what makes it big
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and makes money. And you know, rugby is not like that.
So yeah, man, it's it's a great sport.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Do you guys have fun songs you sing or anything?
You have a song like a or do you guys
drink beers with the other team?
Speaker 9 (28:30):
And if you could pull up the free jacks post
game like they do like a post game song after
they win and they sing these songs song, I don't know,
it's that they're kind of hot.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It's kind of like our locker room and I get
on the mic before practice, it start flowing.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
You just ruined the vibe for everybody in the lock.
We're all getting ready to go and then then here
comes Edels and we're like, god, damn it.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I think it was the fake microphone rapping it.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
Yeah, just your pants on, no pads yet, just ready
to go, everybody.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Just you made people laugh though. I don't know if
they were vibing, but they were laughing. Oh, you brought
the juice. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Remember to tune in every Tuesday for a brand new
episode and every Sunday for another Games with Names Highlight
Day
Welcome to Games of Names. I'm Julian Edelman, and we
got a brand new compilation highlight reels starting now.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Now, Julian and Lorenzo Nio go in depth explaining blocking
and running schemes.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Now, you used to do powers bosses? Did you wham
it all? Oh? Yeah, Well, can you explain the difference
of each of the the things that each of the
assignments you had?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yeah, absolute would say like we had forre mentions.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So you had a wham wham.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
A wham is usually when the three technique, the guy
whoever positioned the big motherfucker in the middle in the
middle and the guard flashes him like I'm blocking, and
he slips him and lets the go to second level,
goes to the second level up to the linebacker, and
now the big guy in the middle comes through and
he thinks he's got a wide open and I'm right
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there at ear hold him and get him.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So that wham is you against tackle? Yes, bam, bam,
use it bam.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Is either when I can come, I can line out
like the X or the Z and they can motion
me in and that's kind of when the crack. I
did that to Dwight feenie. That's kind of how we
did the crack.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And when you're getting toss outside line, outside linebacker or
the d N and that's yeah, and we call usually
like ninety or seventy crack or you know, toss crack okay,
gator tng okay, and we've come down and hit that
defensive end, Dwight Freenie.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I got him, had him. I had him the.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Year they went thirteen and and we're the only team
to beat him. I think thirteen thirteen three. Yeah, you
got to pull it out and I was getting freeye.
So what's boss? Boss means? A boss is when the
line when you pitch the ball back on safe back
on strong safety yep, So boss, excuse it. You have
the guard tackle pulling around. He's kind of your garden tackle.
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They're pulling around, cleaning up. The linebackers turn in and
it choosy boss back on safety to Z or the X.
When you're going he's coming down blocking and cracking and
the usually opens up the safety and the full back.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So boss, I love boss because they're a little small.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, boss, Boss, I knew they were going to try
to cut me and if they stayed up on their feet.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
They had no chance. Shot, no shot. Power.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Power is that's when the thirty and sixty power, forty
sixty power, whatever it is, you know, sixty or seventy power.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
That's when you have a down block.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
The fullback is running the track, he's going where the
tackle was. The tight end he's blocking, he's blocking down.
The usual to guard is pulling so and then power.
I'm kicking out the end or whoever the end man
is on the line of scrip. A linebacker, a defensive end.
You could be an edge guy that you're just your
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power and you're going boom. That's where it's power because
you got two guys of power. They're blocking down. It's
a pull and full back at the point of attack.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
What's another one?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I love Iso, Iso, and that's you in the middle,
Me and the middle linebacker. Isol was my bread and
butter because the guards fans like he's showing pass and
boom the whole yus.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
He opens up.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Linebacker takes a step back and he realized it's it's
it's lead and he's got to come make a decision.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Love lead, love, power, lead load ice io. Yeah, ma'all.
And so that is that all of them. Yeah, you
know what you had that or you you know you
had that, and that's what you gotta you young, young fullbacks.
There's six right, six plays that you have to just
not give a fuck on about your body. Yeah, that's all.
That's what fullback is. That's why you say it's about
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to quit, right, because you you know the sixth plays.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Right right, and then we had Hey, you ain't going out.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
You ain't gonna get his right.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
You gotta earn the right exactly, and you'll get rewarded
every now and then you do. You do your job
like we and then you have you know, like Bob,
Bob is back on backer, so we that's when the
weak side play where it's like me blocking the wheelbacker
the guy in the bubble, so guards covered. You know,
guard's covered, you inside, guard uncovered, you're going outside because
the guard, if he's uncovered, guard can go up to
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the backers. That means you got to go off the
outside backer.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So we got to get So when we're cutting all
this up, we'll have an example of each of your explanation, okay,
with a film cut up of it. It'll be fun. Yeah,
I can't wait to see what you like we'll cut
all this ship. You know, we will cut and spice it.
But like we'll see if we can get all the
bam boss bob. Okay, it'll be It'll be fun. That'll
(04:30):
be that you remember license the footage? I know. Can
we not do that yet? Don't we still do it?
Not yet? I got a question for you.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
So we've talked about all the different running backs that
you've balked for Now do you have to change or
adapt how you operate? Like, because Mike also has a
very different running style from Ladanian Thomason.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Does do they want different things out of you? Or
is your job pretty much the same and you just.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Go for it? No?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I think when sometimes you know, like LT is like
all right, cool, he's paid, he's guy that boom boom.
You want to just you want to make sure that
you're going at a good speed, be square and let
him choose where he wants to go. Corey Dillon, he
gonna run up your ass, you gotta be. If you don't,
he gonna hit you in the back. So you better
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frigg and go and make a create a hole. You
want to make sure you're doing him and Eddie Eddie Eddie.
You know, he's a little longer, so it's hard when
he gets going. He wants that forward lean Eddie George,
so you're just going to go. But yeah, there's different
there's different little tweaks that you that you want to do.
A guy like you know Sprosy, you don't. He's back
there moving, so you got to say, hey, Spros, let
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me step on his toes first, meaning that I want
to get close enough to him.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Before you do it.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
You know, a running back job is to set the
block up exactly if you're running the outside, if you're
running the lead or running or running like a Bob downhill,
he needs to hug that double team because the guard
is is you know, the guard is there acing or
trade blocking up or i mean hip hip hip the hip.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And they're gonna go up to the next guy. Yes,
And they can only do that if the running back
sets it up, because if the running back goes here,
why then he's gonna come in. He is gonna get it.
So he's got to be patient and run off the
ass of that guy, press it and then it'll naturally happen.
And then you read off of that. So it could
you could go slip in there, or if he hugs
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him and wraps them, then you just go right you
can go back door.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
But if he comes off right away, then linebacker then said, man,
that linebacker he fired is done. He made he made
the tackle in the backfield is because the guard didn't
hug it long enough and he just lets him shoot
shoot the gap or he gambles. So as long as
he does that, that linebacker has to stay home. So
that's what That's one of the things that you read
just watching the game.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And that just develops over to.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
More stuff.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
You guys communicate on the sideline.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
You to develop that and you watch other tape doing
it and also situations right like what what's the situation
is a third? You know this is a thirteen inches
fourth and inches. There's like certain points where they know
the vulnerables part of part of the defense where they
have to win for the play to work, they have
to be at a yard in the end zone for
you to win, for this to win, then it becomes inertia. Yep.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Was there a running back from the history of the
NFL that you wish you could have blocked for?
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, you know, I really, really, really wish it's brilliant
or not.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
The emmins.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I mean Barry Sanders at times you just said, man,
because he really didn't like a fullback at times. Yeah,
so just to see what to change him. Yeah, you
want to change them. That could change Barry, Baby, let
me change Barry the bear. You would have ran behind me,
I said, you would have stayed in there. Yeah, I
mean there are some backs, man, that you just looked
at over the years that you say, now today's game.
(07:47):
I would love Derrick Henry. Yeah, yeah, I mean because
he likes.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
To be straight. The fun would that have been to
see that, just getting you into him. Let's go.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
The Niners would Christian because as they do those stretch
Niners make you cover every blade of grass because they
got that stretch play. So when you're running out there,
that linebacker's moving sideways. I'd love to be able to
get those guys on skates it strong arm them and
just they're gonna go find so they can't cut back.
So and Christians, that guy who presses the hole, he would,
he'd make you look good. McCaffrey runs a lot like
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LT in some sense far as when they the running
the way they press the hole.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So that pressing is like, that's that's like the main
thing for a running back. That's that's what differentiates a
college running back to a pro running back. In college,
a running back can just hit the hole and break tackles.
You can't do that in the league. You have to
set up and be patient with your with your line.
There's a line to every run, and there's a way
that a track they call it. You got to hit
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the fucking track. Run the track, the track, and the track.
Like so a lot of these young running backs styill
cut before the block is ignited, and then so it's
an early cut because it looks big and it looks
like it's there. But that's it's it's just a mirage
because this guy's going to float over the top. Right,
So guys like Christian McCaffrey and l t who's all
(09:07):
pressed rate, they press it, they'll damn near come right
off your heel and then fool speed put their foot
in the ground and then go that And and that's
the hardest because once the linebackers waiting, linebackers waiting, Oh shit,
he's gone, he's gone. And that's that's what the great
running backs do. But It's it's like one of those
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things where you know you have guys over here, you
have another block over here on the with the you know,
the receiver whatever, there's another matchup. But he's got to
feel that and like press that and then you know it.
You know that's like the number one thing. It is
the running back. It is no question.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Next, Andrew Whitworth explains how offensive linemen prepare for games.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
How'd you prepare to face this elite D defensive line
or defensive defensive and what is your like what do
you look at when you were watching the film when
you were playing? Are you looking at scheme? Are you
looking at individuals? Break us down with that?
Speaker 7 (10:09):
How your prep process when it came to tape really
it As a young player, it was really about studying
habitual movements. I mean so for me, I was a
big you know, I grew up playing basketball. I didn't
play football really until high school, and so I was
always thinking of myself as I'm a power forward and
somebody's trying to go dunkle basketball and how do I
keep my body in front of them? How would I
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prepare for the things they like to do? So I
looked at past rushers, whether it be a James Harrison
or Terrell Suggs or Dwight Freeney. Early in my career,
as it went on the von Millers and Khalil Max
and then now the Nick Bosas and Miles Garrett. I'm
studying the pattern of how they really move and I
want to learn their steps and how their body moves
and on what step they like to come off with
(10:52):
certain moves, and what's their go to move oh man,
and how their hips and knees and what are little tails?
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Like?
Speaker 7 (10:57):
Is their hand really high on a spiny? Is there
inside lift? Does their outside go down?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
You know?
Speaker 7 (11:02):
Do they kill their hands really low before they bull?
Do they keep their hands high when they're gonna hand
squat like? I'm studying all those movements to where my
mentality was is it's you know, you see at the
combine they do this like drill where you like shadow
a guy like kick your feet and try to keep
up with them. My mentality was, I should be making
that step before you ever make it, because I should
know what you're gonna do before you do it, and
so I would go out. I remember Derrek Goff when
(11:24):
I first got to the Rams like being a young QB,
like you know Jerry, if you know Jerry, like just
kind of nuts.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Sometimes he's like just.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Gonna sit and hey, we you doing man, you know,
And I would be out there like repping Chandler Jones's
moves and he's like, why why are you doing chals moves?
I'm like, if I can do them and kind of
have a feel for him, then like while he's rushing me,
I kind of in my body even though you don't
see me on tape doing that, I'm kind of going
through the motions of how he's moving while I'm taking
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my set to where I kind of know exactly when
like oh he's gonna hit me, yeah, you know, or
oh he's gonna pull away, and so I pull away.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Like so it's like.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
I'm kind of studying and learning their moves and trying
to move.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
When they move. And that's what It's a dance, baby,
it is dance. You know. It's very similar for a
receiver when he's preparing against defensive you know, a dB
you know, is his feet stagger when he's gonna be
an offhand jam. It's all those little things that you
sit and you watch so you subconsciously digest it and
it allows you to react when you're playing. Yeah, I
(12:23):
think Coop.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Always told me this, like and it made me think
of like him being the rusher, like, you know, kind
of being able to like what foot is it that
that little has he come? You know, It's like it's
not always off of two, it's not always off of three,
Like sometimes it's one more and then it's the same
move to where in their minds they click, oh, it's
this route and then I actually do it off of
this step. You know that type of stuff, And they
always thought of like, man, that's the guys that could
get me or were different, Like I've talked to a
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lot of veteran tackles Trent Williams, because we always joked
like when the guy comes off the bench that we
don't know, that's like a nightmare. Because I would rather
face Nick Posa every play than like, wait.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Who's this guy? Like who is this kid? Like is
he fast?
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Is he low?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Is he powerful? Like?
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Those are the guys that actually made you nervous because
I don't know his exact pattern and that would scare
me more than like a guy that at least I
know what I'm going to get Yeah, that's right there, folks.
That's offensive hundred. Yeah, that's not two hundred three hundred.
That's that's class level. That's way up there, five six
hundred class level.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Right, What does that any mean? Yeah? Well, you know,
like you go to well, you could go to class
and college.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
So one hundred, two hundred three hundred, that's like your
basic level classes.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
This is like class level. Can't can't stay baby, it's advanced. Yeah,
you're add on that.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
How do you think, like, if you put yourself across
the line of scrimmage, how do you think defensive ends.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Are looking at your tape?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Like what are they what things are they queuing in
on you?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Or how do they think they prepare against someone?
Speaker 7 (13:47):
Like honestly, I think most of them just know that
you're number seventy seven. But no, but there's a couple
of guys that probably study more than that. I mean
a D is literally like that's seventy three, you know,
and I'm going to annihilate this guy. But I think
like probably when you're talking about the really elite guys,
they're thinking of how they could maybe adjust things a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
But the nature of what they do.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
And I you know, I've gotten a chance the last
two years to work with young rushers and stuff like that.
Like last year, you know, it was publised a lot
that Mike and I worked together for a week. And
it's those guys. You got to remember they have to
get to the quarterback. And this is the other thing
I teach young linemen that want to know. I'm like,
you do realize it's their job to get to the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Now my job.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
So as long as we can dance, and you want
to dance, fantastic, show me a guy's got a ton
of moves. That's awesome because I am gonna just keep
giving you nothing and you're gonna keep doing moves and
the ball's gonna be gone. And then you're gonna tell
me about how cool your move was, and I'm gonna
be like, great, I get paid so that you don't
hit that guy. Other than that, like great, you're gonna
have a lot of awesome moves and you can be like,
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oh man, I kind of got you at the end.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Cool.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
So that's my thing is those guys that it's they
have limited time to get there, so they kind of
have their way. They rush and so when you're talking
to those guys, to me, I always tell them like,
don't waste time, like attack, be violent, get to the quarterback,
and then you got to just trust the moves you
have as a tackle. Though, on the other side of it,
it's be patient, be calm, be under control, and really
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just be ready for the moment.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
They actually attack.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
So it's two sided really, if you want to be
really good at it, it's the two things. Like for
the one side, it's patience and stability and balance, and
on the other side, it's attacking at all times with
a relentless effort and really a violent mentality to get
to the quarterback. And so it's really to me that's
the difference of the two positions is that they can
watch tape, but it's more just for them. Do you
(15:34):
punch a lot or do you not punch a lot?
Like me, I never never ever start my arms out.
I mean I looked at it like in basketball again.
I go back to this like if I'm reaching, I'm dead, right,
you reach your fee, stop, you're dead. So I'm never reaching, right.
So the only time I'd ever reach is a guy
who I knew was really terrible at speed if he
had no speed. Now I'll grab you because I know that,
(15:56):
Like even if you've got my hands, I'll be okay, yeah, sorry,
I know this is thrown into this.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Is what we people love this love crafts the game.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Next, Max Crosby explains how he breaks down his own
game film.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Now we had Whitworth on stud I love god love that.
And he would he would talk about he felt defensive
ends didn't scout their tackles. Do you scout tackles? And
like what their strengths are. He can always tell if
a guy watched film on him or or just throwing ship.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Yeah, no, I definitely do you know I come from
a I mean the guy. My biggest influence as a
coach has been Rod Marinelly and he probably heard of him.
He had Warren sab Julius Pepper's numerous Hall of famers.
I had him my second and third year and that
was my last I mean this season right here, that
was my third year and that's where I took off.
And that dude is all about watching your film. Like
(16:57):
he's like every lineman you go against the fucking gray
face black it's nothing. They're all the same. It's like
if you do what you're supposed to do, get off pad,
level hands, fight area. If you understand all the things
you're supposed to do at the best of your ability
and apply it, it doesn't matter who the fuck's in
front of you, and it doesn't matter what they do,
They're eventually gonna get broken, you know what I mean.
(17:18):
So that's I watch film on other guys. Of course
I try to pick up during the week. All right,
who's giving away pass, who's given away run? What little
things I can pick up. But majority of the film
I'm watching is my own film on repeat. I watch
my practices every night, and then I'll watch a game
or two games, and then okay, I'll throw on this
guy versus.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You know whoever.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
But at the end of the day, I can't sit
here and watch the Steelers versus Giants and expect them
to block me the same way they block some other guys,
because you can go into the plant. Okay, they're gonna
do this and this, and then they fucking throw three
people at me, you know what I mean. Like we
went too the Colts game this, I mean, week seventeen,
Robbo comes up to me. Rob Ryan, one of the
coolest fucking dates I've ever I'm at great coach.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
He comes up to me, all right, this is the
week colts don't.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
They don't chip. They just they five man up. They're
gonna man you and I got double team chip the
whole game. Yeah, and I'm like, fuck, you.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
But that's why, Like I can sit there and anticipate
and think they're gonna do this and whatever. But for me,
if I'm at my best and I'm doing my shit
at the highest level, then it doesn't matter what they do.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, you're what they call a problem. You know, if
when I was playing, we were to ever play a
guy like you. You're at that caliber where you're dedicating a
thirty play clip in front of the whole team and
the team meeting like one of the keys to victory,
which is never usually a player. But Crosby's that kind
(18:45):
of guy where he's a problem and you can see
it in the run game. You could see it in
the past game. They're sending chips running backs.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Next up, Julie explains what leverage is in football.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I think I'm fairly knowledgeable football player, but whenever you guys.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Talk about leverage, can you playing leverage.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Could you go over it, educate, let's go. So you
said two different things there. When you said position yourself
closest to the quarterback, that's called stacking in the receiver room.
We're talking, we're in receiver room. Because leverage is used
throughout all of football. Leverage could be pad pad level
(19:24):
for defensive lineman's got to get your leverage. You know,
for defense a lot of for us, attacking leverage is
attacking what they're trying to protect. So if it's a
post safety, there's one safety in the middle of the field,
they're trying to funnel everything to that one safety. So
everyone's going to have outside leverage. So for a receiver,
(19:46):
when you're trying to gain leverage on an outside guy,
you got to do something to get outside of him.
That's what everyone talks about in leverage or in you know,
when you're attacking a leverage on you know, for a receiver,
say you have an off defender who's covering you and
he's got off inside leverage. You have an inbreaking route.
(20:11):
How I was taught to always run routes, which is
different in a lot of different systems, is to attack
the leverage. So he's trying to protect probably inside, so
you attack him, attack them, and you're bringing them all
the way in until you can finally get in. You're
trying to break the leverage. That's what the leverage is.
When you say positioning between the closest to the quarterback,
(20:35):
that's usually like a downfield throw. That's what I'm thinking
of when when when I hear that, when when you
see greats like Randy Moss, what they do is they
stack the defender, so they put their body in between
the defender and where the ball is, you know what
I mean. So you're using your back and then you're
(20:59):
using your body to block him while letting the ball
come over. That's like stacking. I don't know if that
had anything to do with the closest the quarterback, but
that's that. That's do you guys get that? So leverage
looks so just.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
From clarification for leverage, just to help me, you're on
you're a wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
You're on the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
You're being lined up. It's a man coverage. You're being
lined up directly across is a cornerback if they're if
they're head onto you like lined up feet the feet
there's no leverage there. If they're inside, he has inside
leverage to you, and if he's outside, he has outside leverage.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yes, now if he's head up on you, how you know,
what he's probably trying to protect is the safest.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Safety if the safeties, if there's two on the outsiders too.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
If there's two safeties, he's going to be trying to
protect the inside because the vulnerable spot of a two
safety shell is the inside of that, that middle inside part.
That's why you always see like tight ends down the
middle because they're with those seam reads, you know, So
like that's what they're trying to protect because they have
help over here. So whenever you hear a defensive coach
(22:05):
say keep your fucking leverage, he's telling the defender, do
not let the guy outside of you. Okay, we have
one safety in here. Your help is inside. Do not
let him outside. I don't care if you have to
grab him, I don't care if you have to run
to the fucking sideline. Your help is when he goes inside.
(22:26):
If he beats your leverage and stacks in and breaks it,
there's no help. You're on an island. So that's a
lot of the leverage.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
So if you want to get a defensial coach would say,
you want to lose opposite of your leverage because you
have help there.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
If you're a corner, we've got a key, yes, because
you've got a safety back there or what else or
a linebacker or whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
And then continuing this from like a offensive line perspective
or like blocking perspective, we talk a lot about like
nine block or nine technique blocks from a tight end.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, is it for me?
Speaker 4 (22:56):
This question for me is that talked about a lot,
because that's when a tight end has to make like
it they have they don't have leverage, but they still
have to make the block.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
They get into. Like there's different like techniques for those
guys and footwork for those guys to gain the leverage
or to set the line of or to set the edge.
Sometimes when you have an outside like Rob would be
the perfect guy to talk to you about this. But
if you have outside leverage and you have to gain
the leverage, they do these little drop steps and then
they'll go and they'll connect and then if he if
(23:29):
he's still keeping the edge, you're setting the new edge.
So the running back has to go inside that Okay,
so I don't really I'm not like a doctor in that.
But for leverage, for route running, it's usually what they're
trying to protect. You're trying to or you know, you're
attacking that that protection side or what they're trying to protect.
(23:50):
And the great route runners like you watch, like DeVante Adams,
you watch back in my day Stevie Johnson, he was
really good at like breaking the leverages, you know what
I mean with releases. Guys that can break those leverages
are crazier. If you see an out like it and
and you could you could win that leverage at two spots.
(24:11):
You can win that the beginning part of the route
with the release, or you can win it at the
top of the route. So sometimes you'll see an incut
where the defender keeps that inside leverage and the receiver
just goes and he's and he's trailing them inside Like
a really good route runner wo would have got in.
But if sometimes these guys get paid a lot of
money too, and they kind of know what's going on,
(24:32):
you have to win at the top of the route,
So you have to do something to get that leverage
at the top. Now, is that the slow down jab
step jab in, out in, out in and then have
him undercut and then you're collecting your leverage. You know
what I mean?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Is that kind of like what you were talking about
when we had Cooper cup on. Yeah, but you were like,
you like the gain leverage on the line and he
likes to do it on the break.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Mmmm, that is how I interpreted it.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Yeah, I'm sure way more nuanced to that.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I don't know. Maybe I gotta I gotta call my
receivers because I gotta call shatto ship. I need a
little bruhatio studio doctor leverage, doctor doctor left And guys.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
Don't confuse this with the tn T crime drama Leverage, uh,
starring Timothy Hutton. This is Football Talk, Football Talk, not
the mid Notts tn T. We know drama lineup going
now now.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Nate Bner explains what football players could learn from rugby players.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
What could an NFL guy learn from rugby? All these
laterals did you see like Travis Kelcey and all these
guys that's like really coming into the game.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
I think it's great.
Speaker 9 (25:37):
I think they could learn a lot from tackling, especially
in space. You know, it's like one thing when it's
third and one, and you know, it's two back set
or something, and the defensive lines got to take on
the guys.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
But you know, the tackle field tackling, you know, gallop. Yeah,
we did a lot of really good gallop. We did
a lot of really good stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
From your feet in the ground and fucking guy, you're done.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
We had a lot of good tacklers too.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
I bet and no with the Patriots, Oh yeah, because
we did some good tackling stuff. And I just think
they could learn a lot from tackling. I think a
lot of guys would learn what really being fit is,
because you know, a lot of guys think they're in shape,
but I mean, I guess we are for football. But
it's just like your ability to never get tired is
the greatest feeling in the world.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That is. I mean I felt like that from like
twenty six five to like thirty twenty nine, twenty nine,
I started getting tired, Like I could see in my conditioning.
When off season you start getting tired from injuries or
whatever it is, or you're older, do you notice that
(26:39):
the older.
Speaker 9 (26:39):
Guys just start getting My body just the wheels fell
off at thirty two, and I held on for another year.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
And they were just completely off at thirty.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Three's what's the difference between an NFL locker room and
a rugby locker room?
Speaker 5 (26:50):
That's what else what I was gonna say.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
You asked what could guys learn from from rugby guys,
and I'd say, just culturally, it's just like no me guys. Yeah,
like they're just not unexistent in the rugby world. Like
the guys are always such good guys. The culture is
so good, and it's such a team first mentality, and
I mean, we do that. But like you see the
Prima Donnas in the NFL, and like, just like the
(27:14):
amount of meanness and in the NFL is crazy when
I see a whole other side of it and in
a team sport like rugby where there are guys that
control the game. But you know, I think you really
understand rugby, like it takes everybody to make a play go,
you know, and we get you know, some waters your
position seems to be the Prima Donnas. But like I
(27:36):
not you, but your position, and you know, they they forget,
they forget there's an offensive line blocking for Tom and
you know or whoever, and Tom's throwing the ball and
you got other guys are running clear out routes and
then people are blocking down field for him, and then
they get in the end zone.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
And it's just like I did that, Fuck you, dude.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I know there's a lot of that now.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
Yeah, So that that's probably the biggest thing I take
away from them is how vastly different the cultures are
for two pretty much team sports, you know, And you know,
I would argue though in the NFL, you almost kids
come up in that though. You gotta be noticed, you
gotta you know, you gotta be about you and let
everybody see how good you are. And we build that
culture in American sports because that's what makes it big
(28:19):
and makes money. And you know, rugby is not like that.
So yeah, man, it's it's a great sport.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Do you guys have fun songs you sing or anything?
You have a song like a or do you guys
drink beers with the other team?
Speaker 9 (28:30):
And if you could pull up the free jacks post
game like they do like a post game song after
they win and they sing these songs song, I don't know,
it's that they're kind of hot.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
It's kind of like our locker room and I get
on the mic before practice, it start flowing.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
You just ruined the vibe for everybody in the lock.
We're all getting ready to go and then then here
comes Edels and we're like, god, damn it.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I think it was the fake microphone rapping it.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
Yeah, just your pants on, no pads yet, just ready
to go, everybody.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Just you made people laugh though. I don't know if
they were vibing, but they were laughing. Oh, you brought
the juice. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
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