December 28, 2025 • 21 mins
Bill Parcells best stories are shared by former players including Keyshawn Johnson, Phil Simms, and Ty Law!
Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudes
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Games of Names. I'm Julian Edelman, and we
got a brand new compilation highlight reels starting now now.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Keishawn Johnson on the biggest fight he ever saw between
Parcels and Belichick.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Parcels ever have drills for the defensive guys. Yeah, they
always had to like on how to carry the ball.
I don't know if they we used to do that.
Bill would show those plays, yeah and say, look, asshole,
like you're not We're not doing this right, Okay, if
you're gonna do this, it better be the last play
of the game, and we need you know what I mean.
(00:34):
It's just fucking Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I would hate to be in the film room with
Bill after if I had done that latter.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
No.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It was crazy though, this crazy man and this game
was crazy too, insane.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
That set up Keishawn's other touchdown the end a round.
As we mentioned.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Reverse, it was butch right toss thirty eight gator z reverse.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Left the same fucking play change so we would change formationally.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
They started getting all that zip zoom snug bullshit later
on that ship. I had all that shit with Grooten
punk ass.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Zip is just basically, yeah, Taylor Z he gotta come
in to block, yeah, or come half zip down because
we would do that too.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
We would go butt right, We would go butt right,
zip toss thirty eight gators.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So I would come and zip down and then come
back around.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It was groodening like as a coach. Let's get through this.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Anyways, before the half, we get up seventeen to nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Here there's a little scuffle, a little scuffle before the
Have you like to see that and play a football?
Jumbo Elliott and old Kevin Hardy they were getting into it.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Jumbo was big.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
He was what type office in lineman you played with.
But he might have been one of the big He
could walk through the door man. He was one of
them type of.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Dudes on time name too so big. Yeah, we had
we had a couple.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We didn't we I had one really big who Trent, Yeah,
Trent Brown.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Trent Brown was a large human. I think he was
like Jumbo was a large human. But up he had
the little you know how we used to we had
the V back in the day.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
That's what he had as a line. And he had
the V.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That's like crazy. We had a Nate Soldier yeah, I know.
Nate was really like he he was three hundred and
fifteen pounds of a six pack.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Yeah, this is how Jumbo was, you know what I mean.
So there's just like Jumbo was cool too, bone man,
Jumbo was cool. That was one of my coolest offensive
line homies I had. Yes, it's so funny man. I
before you mentioned the halftime, Before the half, Jimmy Smith scored.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I believe that's fifty two yard bomb six seconds right
as the half was I was supposed to go in
the game. Oh, in is safety to be the safety?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Barcels and Belichick got into it, and it was the
craziest shit we ever ever seen on the sideline between
two coaches ever. Because Belichick didn't want to put me in,
Parceles wanted to put me in. Belichick said no, and
they went right up the rail bomb touchdown them.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Parcels just lit his ask, Oh my gosh, how was
that relationship? At that time?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I thought it was fine, And it's great now they
like now, But at that time.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I thought it was fine. I didn't. I don't know
the difference.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Right.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
He came back the next year, but that thing, my eyeballs,
I was like, because I'm standing there ready to go in. Man,
you know the situation, you know, And he's like no,
And Parcells told him. At this time, Parcells said something
to the effect of you think you know every fucking thing.
That's your fucking genius. Huh, you think you know everything.
(03:41):
That's why you fucking got fired from Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, that'll that'll get it, that'll get the fumes going,
shots fired.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
I was like this, oh shit, So when the situation
came up again, I went in and got the deception.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, that was the craziest genus.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
But I've seen Bill do that to the coaches before ourselves.
The type of coach that goes for neck.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
He gone her throat, He's gonna go for kill shot man,
to try to light that fire in your ash shot.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I watched the I watched Bill get it. I watched
Bill get it. Charlie Weiss, what time? Because you know
how you do the cards, the cards wasn't in sync.
It was like all messed up. And at this time,
Krispy Kreme Krispy Kreme Dodas had just became a big thing,
came to the East coast of New York. So we
used to make all the younger guys, go pick.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Him up or whatever.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Yeah, pick him up, put him out at the and
Charlie would come to the players lounge and gets up
like donuts.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
He had messed up the cards?
Speaker 5 (04:43):
What time?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And Bill's hid?
Speaker 5 (04:45):
I bet you if those these fucking cards charge Krispy
Kreme donut, you'd have got that right Jesus.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
We was like, oh, ship.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Next up? Ty Lock compairs the coaching styles of Bill Parcells,
Bill Belichick and Pete care What.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Was the similarities and differences between him and parcels and
Pete Carroll? And and what was to you? And then
you went to the Jets and you went to the chiefs?
How was his ship?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
How was that?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Man?
Speaker 6 (05:13):
I tell you what you know, come in and get different.
What made parcels different? Is you know, well, I'm gonna
start with Parcels that's drafted me. So pars Sales was
the master manipulator when it comes to the mind. And
like you like, he'll make you so pissed off psychologically,
he'll you'll.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Run to run through a wall. You want to prove
to him that.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
About that?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
He told me.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
He told me I was gonna be the first first
round of the NFL history, you get cut in training camp,
Like what you're gonna be the He called me.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
To the side.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
He's like, listen, right now, you're working on being the
first first round or in the history of the NFL
to get cut in the middle of training camp.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Like in my stupid ass, you know at the time.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
You know, just being me from out about, like, well,
do what you gotta do? You know, come on, whoop
all they had do what you gotta do? Stupid, you
know what I mean. But that's just that's that's just
who I was, you know what I mean. And then eventually,
you know, he was like, uh man, he was the bestie,
but he always rolled me. And it was one particular
game where now it established myself as kind of a
(06:20):
physical and aggressive and he was like, you know what,
you got everybody scared of you out there, and he's
but this week, this guy's gonna kick your ass. So
he was talking about Michael Irving was going down played
the Dallas Cowboys and Michael Irving. I think he had
just hit you know, like I said, Nias Williams the
one of the greatest, you know what I mean, look
up to Nia's trained women, but he gave He gave
(06:41):
Nias the business.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
It was like nine catches, something like like two hundred
some yards and sit. I'm like, damn So Parcels challenged
me saying if he do that, didn Nias Williams because
he said, you're damn sure knowing Nias Williams. You know
that's what Parcels told me. He gonna kick your ass.
But guess what I'm putting you on him? You know
you think you good? So man, when out there ended
up having two picks. You know, think get defensive Player
(07:04):
of the week all that stuff. But I wasn't even
thinking about playing, you know, Michael and the challenge him.
I was sitting there thinking I got to prove par
Sales wrong for fucking with me. You know, I'm gonna
show you that I'm not the one. And I had
to take it out on Michael at the time, you
know what I mean. But that's how my mentality was.
But Belichick, you know that's how he got the best
out of you. Belichick, He's gonna sit you down because
(07:27):
he was my dB coach, which I loved, by the way,
because you had to do the least amount of studying
when he's your coach, because he done did it all.
Everything that he say is going to happen is gonna happen.
It's going to be one of two things. And what
I really fell and loved with the way he coached.
He was my dB coach. We're playing the Saints. He said, look,
(07:47):
if they line up in this formation, tight end, here
guy on the top of the numbers. If he's lined
up on the top of the numbers, he's going to
do a curl. And my thing was, I didn't want
to be on the wrong any highlights. What if you
run a curl and go, He's not gonna do it.
If he run a curl and go, it's on me.
So I said, shit, scene, the formation is coming, damn.
(08:08):
Sure enough, he did exactly that, came in, jumped in
front of it, pick and it was like shit. So
now when we're moving, Belichick had you in such a
great position mentally that you went into the game so
confident and saying that if anything happens, put it on him,
but guaranteed this is gonna happen. And that's how he
was as a coach. So when he left and came back,
(08:31):
we thinking like that's our boy. Man, Me and lawyer
called him illegally, I might add, you know at the time,
because we ain't supposed to you know, contact him and
stuff like that. But that was our guy, that was
our coach. So when he came back, man, we were
so happy. And then when Bill walked in, the Bill
and we trying to go do like the group hug
type of he the head coach. Now I'm like, Bill
(08:51):
done got a new check and got brand new and shit.
But they done got brand new. It ain't the same.
But now you have to realize, and it took us
a minute that he's not our coach anymore. He's our
coach and he has to sit there and you know,
treat everything and conduct itself in a certain way. But
what he does from a game plan perspective, I've never
(09:12):
been with another coach or another organization that is that
prepared at all times. And he made you feel comfortable
even his adjustments. This is what we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Do, Bam.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
You just gotta be smart. In training camp, we will
see shit that we ain't seen in eight weeks. We
going back to some training camp. You got to like
what we ain't played that since training camp, but for
this particular game or we're going at halftime, he comes back.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
This is what it is.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
So I think that separates a Bill from everyone else.
It's his adjustments and how he looks at the game,
you know what I mean. From offense defensively, he used
to have to leave to help Charlie Weiss. He would
leave our defense to mean we be in our bar.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Damnself.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Ain't nobody getting coached because he'll just telling the offense
what the other defense is doing. He had to lead
the eating so many times just to go up there
and help the offense by looking at the defense. He
was that much of a genius when it comes to
a football mind.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Pete Carroll I like Pete.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Pete gave me the bag. He push for me to
get the back. But he was a dB guy. But
I think his personality didn't mesh well with a lot
of other guys because we all interviewed. I interviewed because
I ain't nobody who's gonna hire a Belichick. I was like, man,
I like Pete. So when they came down Bobby Greer
and all that gym you know scrap, I was like man.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
We went to the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
I felt somewhat responsible because I gave up the touchdown,
you know what I mean, I did, I gave up
a touchdown. I was sick to who I think is
one of the best ever when it comes to me,
you know, matching up that Damn Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Smith was an animal, bro. I just want to put that
out there.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
But Pete Carroll Man, the happy, gold lucky guy that
just didn't sit well with the rest of his guys
because no matter what, come on.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Guys, don't you feel it? Don't you feel it?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You know, he was like that. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I'm coming from partselves exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
The first yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
This guy's smacking his gums saying it's gonna be a.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Great name, exactly. It was. It was a totally different energy,
you know.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And then you get back to Bill's in that similar
similar more similar to herself oselves you know, and Bill
don't be wrong, he wanted outside of business men.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Bill ain't never had a problem outside.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Of contracts and business, you know what I mean. But
you got to understand, we're all independent contracts. You know
that at the end of the day, we're on the team.
But when we're talking about this, and we have discrepancies
about this. He has to work for himself in the organization.
You have to work for yourself as an individual, you know,
as a because hey, it's short lived, you know what
I mean. But drink what you're he gonna we're gonna
(11:52):
have a beer, what you're gonna laugh, have a good time.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And that's you know, I mean, Bill's a computer where
like if he's doing work, he's just thinking about work.
And the one thing that he was always that I
always liked with Bill. He was honest with you, which
he would try to be a little overly honest just
to prove his point on certain things. Look, I'm not
gonna pay you fucking ten million dollars, I mean, yeah, yeah,
(12:19):
you're fucking thirty three. Yeah, you know you're not gonna
be able to walk in through you said.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
He will take He would tell you this ship, I'll
tell you that.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But what you said about him preparing a team and
and and saying it's gonna be on me if it
doesn't go this way, there are countless times where you
remember he'd have those team meetings because it was probably
the same and he give you the keys. Look, fellas,
we just.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Need to do this, this, this, and if we do that,
this is gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
We'd sit there and be listening to this ship and
then you'd watch that on a Monday when you're watching film.
Everything that he said happened, and it exactly how he said.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Exactly. I'm saying he took. He took that.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
He made it easier to do your job because he
did all the hard work. A lot of guys don't
want to study that film. So you basically got a
coach as a walking cheat sheet, you know.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
What I mean?
Speaker 6 (13:14):
You can go ask him anything out of the blue.
He gonna already know what it is. I'm sitting there
like it's at a point where like, how do you
know all that you watched us? You you hear offensive
guys asking him stuff, and I'm like, how do you
got time to do all this shit and know all this?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
He's a of the cheat sheet, but he's an asshole
cheat sheet, But I loved him.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Next, Phil Simms on his experience playing for Coach Parcels.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
You know, Parcells, that was his thing. He could connect
with the player. Oh you know, he knew how to
get the best out of his player like he probably
did this that that to Phil and treated Phil the
way he treated him, because that's what fires up Phil.
Phil likes to be pissed off. He plays well pissed off,
you know what I mean. And that's and that's what
(14:00):
you know Parcells tried to do. I saw a lot
of that stuff too, you know, from from Belichick with
certain people. You know, it's just they do whatever it
takes to push the button to get the best out of.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
You, pushing buttons.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
He was great, Yeah, so you trade some, you trade well,
he would Bill.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Here's what Parcels would do. I watched him during the week.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
You know.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
He would walk around the locker room and get a
guy and go all right, now, listen, here's what I
need from you this week. You know you gotta you know,
you gotta come on it. And he would work the
room like you know, he had a restaurant. He would
get everybody individually, just for thirty seconds and maybe say something,
you know, now, you got to play better. I don't
want to take your ass out, you know or what.
But he was very if you want honesty, he was honest.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, he's looking at every piece of the machine to
make sure I mean, it's the big blue wrecking crew,
every every piece of the guy.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
But he worked everybody.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
It was.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
It was an unbelievable thing. It's a it's a it's
the best skill I think a coach can have, absolutely
and to be able to do this to players, to
be tough on them and still what's the word, not
alienate them and all that. They just knew this is
what it is and he's doing You want honesty all pleasure.
I just want you to be honest. Do you really
(15:10):
do you really want them?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (15:12):
Bill was honest.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I saw him do this.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I hate to tell these stories.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
We're in training camp and we're doing an inside run
thing and we have a guard. I'm not gonna say
his game. He goes, I'll call him Billy. Billy, I
got the plane ticket in my drawer. Don't make me
give it to you. Come on, I gotta see it.
Come on, I got the damn plane ticket in the drawer.
(15:36):
And I just go Wow. That was really like, that
was rough.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
And he would give the guy two or three days
and almost always one morning we show wear is so
and so all. They let him go, but he would
warn them if you won't pick it up. Oh no,
he never bluffed, but I heard him do that quite
a few times. But he was warning the guy, you
know that if you don't practice better, then it's just
(16:04):
not going to work.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Here the plane in the drawer. Yeah, I got them.
I mean my ex girlfriend did the same thing to me.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Now we got Keishawn Johnson on Bill Parcells's unique leadership style.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Parcels comes in day one. Is it just completely different?
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Oh my god. He fired the dude at the front gate.
That was a security guard named Harry. Harry had been
like the security guard for like however many years older.
Guy Bill got rid of him immediately. And so one
of our linebackers named Bobby Houston was a starting linebacker,
started for the Jet Tunnel noo four or five years
in a row, solid linebacker.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Like really good.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
He told him if he wasn't at off season conditioning,
he was gonna get rid of him. Dude didn't come
off season condition never played again in the National Football League.
Cutting never played again the National Football League. So yeah,
those coaches he started, he started the OTAs it used
to be. Getting you had to get forty days over
(17:08):
like a I want to say, maybe a two and
a half month period of time.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You had to get forty days in.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
And it was like you go a week, maybe two weeks,
you're off, then you come back a week, maybe off
a week, you know that sort of deal. And so
when he came, obviously I was one of the targets
right off. He cause was one of the targets. So
he called my agent, du do this that. And so
I'm like, well, it's paying on the fucking with all
(17:38):
that shit, man, you know. And so now my agent go, well,
he said, if you don't come, da da da, I said, man,
what shit man. I want to be at home my family.
I can do the same thing here. He goes, You
tell him, it's how he talks. He goes, you tell him,
if he's not here on this such and such date,
it'd be the worst mistake he ever made.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
So I go.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I go, right, So, now at this point, I'm probably
a little overweight. You know, I'm probably a little overweight,
and I'm probably two twenty five ish somewhere in there.
He goes, I sit down in his room.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I go in there.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
I'm in his room. He's got a dark room. He's
got one little light on. Like my feel like like
you just said. He's sitting there and we're talking. He goes,
how much did you weigh? I said, shit, I think
I'm about two twenty five ish. He goes, what was
that guy in the Rose Bowl? So I think I
was probably two ten maybe. He goes, that's the guy
(18:37):
I want. I said, Okay, cool, no problem. So now
I go home, I come back, go through the whole
offseason condition and I'm two o eight right, so I'm
looking crazy to him. I'm fucking you know. So now
all of a sudden, that's all I needed. I'm made
(18:57):
man now for the rest of my life. He got
me for the rest of all because I did everything
he asked me to do. You see what I'm saying. Yeah,
he asked me to do something for him. I did
it like that. And now you could say, you couldn't
say one bad word about me in front of him.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You gonna You're gonna catch hell. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
And so that's how I changed like that, And he's
a he after my second year, after my first year
with him in ninety seven, although I'm on a rookie contract,
he tried to rip my contract up. But uh, but
the management council with the NFL wouldn't allow it.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
They we did the deal, we did.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
He was getting ready to make me at that time
in ninety seven, I hadn't even done shit. I hadn't
fucking sixty five catches. So he was going to make
me the high one of the highest paid receivers in
the NFL at the time. We did the deal and everything,
they sent it to management council. The management councilor didn't
want to set a president, so they didn't approve it.
That's how our trust and our loyalty became a bomb
(19:57):
like it is now.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Wow. Yeah, gained parcels trust through cutting your weight. Yeah,
and then from that day on when because you did it.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Even to this day, I just talked to another day.
He goes, what's the number? I said, shit, man, I
don't know. I'm probably to thirty five or something. You know,
I just slipping down a little baby. He goes, yeah,
you look good, but I don't know if you're two
thirty five, look like you got walnuts in your cheeks.
I was like, no, I'm good. I'm like I'm good, coach,
I really, you know. He said, well, you're doing good, son.
(20:28):
You just keep doing what you're doing. Man, I'm proud
of you because that's my guy. Yeah, that's kind of
you know when I say it all the time. You know,
when you're around a guy for a long time, that
changes you. Like I was around Belichick. It becomes like
a fatherly figure.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Oh yeah, Thanks for listening. Remember to tune in every
Tuesday for a brand new episode and every Sunday for another.
Games with names highlight y
Welcome to Games of Names. I'm Julian Edelman, and we
got a brand new compilation highlight reels starting now now.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Keishawn Johnson on the biggest fight he ever saw between
Parcels and Belichick.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Parcels ever have drills for the defensive guys. Yeah, they
always had to like on how to carry the ball.
I don't know if they we used to do that.
Bill would show those plays, yeah and say, look, asshole,
like you're not We're not doing this right, Okay, if
you're gonna do this, it better be the last play
of the game, and we need you know what I mean.
(00:34):
It's just fucking Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I would hate to be in the film room with
Bill after if I had done that latter.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
No.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It was crazy though, this crazy man and this game
was crazy too, insane.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
That set up Keishawn's other touchdown the end a round.
As we mentioned.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Reverse, it was butch right toss thirty eight gator z reverse.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Left the same fucking play change so we would change formationally.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
They started getting all that zip zoom snug bullshit later
on that ship. I had all that shit with Grooten
punk ass.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Zip is just basically, yeah, Taylor Z he gotta come
in to block, yeah, or come half zip down because
we would do that too.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
We would go butt right, We would go butt right,
zip toss thirty eight gators.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So I would come and zip down and then come
back around.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It was groodening like as a coach. Let's get through this.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Anyways, before the half, we get up seventeen to nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Here there's a little scuffle, a little scuffle before the
Have you like to see that and play a football?
Jumbo Elliott and old Kevin Hardy they were getting into it.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Jumbo was big.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
He was what type office in lineman you played with.
But he might have been one of the big He
could walk through the door man. He was one of
them type of.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Dudes on time name too so big. Yeah, we had
we had a couple.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We didn't we I had one really big who Trent, Yeah,
Trent Brown.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Trent Brown was a large human. I think he was
like Jumbo was a large human. But up he had
the little you know how we used to we had
the V back in the day.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
That's what he had as a line. And he had
the V.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That's like crazy. We had a Nate Soldier yeah, I know.
Nate was really like he he was three hundred and
fifteen pounds of a six pack.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Yeah, this is how Jumbo was, you know what I mean.
So there's just like Jumbo was cool too, bone man,
Jumbo was cool. That was one of my coolest offensive
line homies I had. Yes, it's so funny man. I
before you mentioned the halftime, Before the half, Jimmy Smith scored.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I believe that's fifty two yard bomb six seconds right
as the half was I was supposed to go in
the game. Oh, in is safety to be the safety?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Barcels and Belichick got into it, and it was the
craziest shit we ever ever seen on the sideline between
two coaches ever. Because Belichick didn't want to put me in,
Parceles wanted to put me in. Belichick said no, and
they went right up the rail bomb touchdown them.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Parcels just lit his ask, Oh my gosh, how was
that relationship? At that time?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I thought it was fine, And it's great now they
like now, But at that time.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I thought it was fine. I didn't. I don't know
the difference.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Right.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
He came back the next year, but that thing, my eyeballs,
I was like, because I'm standing there ready to go in. Man,
you know the situation, you know, And he's like no,
And Parcells told him. At this time, Parcells said something
to the effect of you think you know every fucking thing.
That's your fucking genius. Huh, you think you know everything.
(03:41):
That's why you fucking got fired from Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, that'll that'll get it, that'll get the fumes going,
shots fired.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
I was like this, oh shit, So when the situation
came up again, I went in and got the deception.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, that was the craziest genus.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
But I've seen Bill do that to the coaches before ourselves.
The type of coach that goes for neck.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
He gone her throat, He's gonna go for kill shot man,
to try to light that fire in your ash shot.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I watched the I watched Bill get it. I watched
Bill get it. Charlie Weiss, what time? Because you know
how you do the cards, the cards wasn't in sync.
It was like all messed up. And at this time,
Krispy Kreme Krispy Kreme Dodas had just became a big thing,
came to the East coast of New York. So we
used to make all the younger guys, go pick.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Him up or whatever.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Yeah, pick him up, put him out at the and
Charlie would come to the players lounge and gets up
like donuts.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
He had messed up the cards?
Speaker 5 (04:43):
What time?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And Bill's hid?
Speaker 5 (04:45):
I bet you if those these fucking cards charge Krispy
Kreme donut, you'd have got that right Jesus.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
We was like, oh, ship.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Next up? Ty Lock compairs the coaching styles of Bill Parcells,
Bill Belichick and Pete care What.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Was the similarities and differences between him and parcels and
Pete Carroll? And and what was to you? And then
you went to the Jets and you went to the chiefs?
How was his ship?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
How was that?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Man?
Speaker 6 (05:13):
I tell you what you know, come in and get different.
What made parcels different? Is you know, well, I'm gonna
start with Parcels that's drafted me. So pars Sales was
the master manipulator when it comes to the mind. And
like you like, he'll make you so pissed off psychologically,
he'll you'll.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Run to run through a wall. You want to prove
to him that.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
About that?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
He told me.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
He told me I was gonna be the first first
round of the NFL history, you get cut in training camp,
Like what you're gonna be the He called me.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
To the side.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
He's like, listen, right now, you're working on being the
first first round or in the history of the NFL
to get cut in the middle of training camp.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Like in my stupid ass, you know at the time.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
You know, just being me from out about, like, well,
do what you gotta do? You know, come on, whoop
all they had do what you gotta do? Stupid, you
know what I mean. But that's just that's that's just
who I was, you know what I mean. And then eventually,
you know, he was like, uh man, he was the bestie,
but he always rolled me. And it was one particular
game where now it established myself as kind of a
(06:20):
physical and aggressive and he was like, you know what,
you got everybody scared of you out there, and he's
but this week, this guy's gonna kick your ass. So
he was talking about Michael Irving was going down played
the Dallas Cowboys and Michael Irving. I think he had
just hit you know, like I said, Nias Williams the
one of the greatest, you know what I mean, look
up to Nia's trained women, but he gave He gave
(06:41):
Nias the business.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
It was like nine catches, something like like two hundred
some yards and sit. I'm like, damn So Parcels challenged
me saying if he do that, didn Nias Williams because
he said, you're damn sure knowing Nias Williams. You know
that's what Parcels told me. He gonna kick your ass.
But guess what I'm putting you on him? You know
you think you good? So man, when out there ended
up having two picks. You know, think get defensive Player
(07:04):
of the week all that stuff. But I wasn't even
thinking about playing, you know, Michael and the challenge him.
I was sitting there thinking I got to prove par
Sales wrong for fucking with me. You know, I'm gonna
show you that I'm not the one. And I had
to take it out on Michael at the time, you
know what I mean. But that's how my mentality was.
But Belichick, you know that's how he got the best
out of you. Belichick, He's gonna sit you down because
(07:27):
he was my dB coach, which I loved, by the way,
because you had to do the least amount of studying
when he's your coach, because he done did it all.
Everything that he say is going to happen is gonna happen.
It's going to be one of two things. And what
I really fell and loved with the way he coached.
He was my dB coach. We're playing the Saints. He said, look,
(07:47):
if they line up in this formation, tight end, here
guy on the top of the numbers. If he's lined
up on the top of the numbers, he's going to
do a curl. And my thing was, I didn't want
to be on the wrong any highlights. What if you
run a curl and go, He's not gonna do it.
If he run a curl and go, it's on me.
So I said, shit, scene, the formation is coming, damn.
(08:08):
Sure enough, he did exactly that, came in, jumped in
front of it, pick and it was like shit. So
now when we're moving, Belichick had you in such a
great position mentally that you went into the game so
confident and saying that if anything happens, put it on him,
but guaranteed this is gonna happen. And that's how he
was as a coach. So when he left and came back,
(08:31):
we thinking like that's our boy. Man, Me and lawyer
called him illegally, I might add, you know at the time,
because we ain't supposed to you know, contact him and
stuff like that. But that was our guy, that was
our coach. So when he came back, man, we were
so happy. And then when Bill walked in, the Bill
and we trying to go do like the group hug
type of he the head coach. Now I'm like, Bill
(08:51):
done got a new check and got brand new and shit.
But they done got brand new. It ain't the same.
But now you have to realize, and it took us
a minute that he's not our coach anymore. He's our
coach and he has to sit there and you know,
treat everything and conduct itself in a certain way. But
what he does from a game plan perspective, I've never
(09:12):
been with another coach or another organization that is that
prepared at all times. And he made you feel comfortable
even his adjustments. This is what we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Do, Bam.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
You just gotta be smart. In training camp, we will
see shit that we ain't seen in eight weeks. We
going back to some training camp. You got to like
what we ain't played that since training camp, but for
this particular game or we're going at halftime, he comes back.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
This is what it is.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
So I think that separates a Bill from everyone else.
It's his adjustments and how he looks at the game,
you know what I mean. From offense defensively, he used
to have to leave to help Charlie Weiss. He would
leave our defense to mean we be in our bar.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Damnself.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Ain't nobody getting coached because he'll just telling the offense
what the other defense is doing. He had to lead
the eating so many times just to go up there
and help the offense by looking at the defense. He
was that much of a genius when it comes to
a football mind.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Pete Carroll I like Pete.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Pete gave me the bag. He push for me to
get the back. But he was a dB guy. But
I think his personality didn't mesh well with a lot
of other guys because we all interviewed. I interviewed because
I ain't nobody who's gonna hire a Belichick. I was like, man,
I like Pete. So when they came down Bobby Greer
and all that gym you know scrap, I was like man.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
We went to the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
I felt somewhat responsible because I gave up the touchdown,
you know what I mean, I did, I gave up
a touchdown. I was sick to who I think is
one of the best ever when it comes to me,
you know, matching up that Damn Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Smith was an animal, bro. I just want to put that
out there.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
But Pete Carroll Man, the happy, gold lucky guy that
just didn't sit well with the rest of his guys
because no matter what, come on.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Guys, don't you feel it? Don't you feel it?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You know, he was like that. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I'm coming from partselves exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
The first yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
This guy's smacking his gums saying it's gonna be a.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Great name, exactly. It was. It was a totally different energy,
you know.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And then you get back to Bill's in that similar
similar more similar to herself oselves you know, and Bill
don't be wrong, he wanted outside of business men.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Bill ain't never had a problem outside.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Of contracts and business, you know what I mean. But
you got to understand, we're all independent contracts. You know
that at the end of the day, we're on the team.
But when we're talking about this, and we have discrepancies
about this. He has to work for himself in the organization.
You have to work for yourself as an individual, you know,
as a because hey, it's short lived, you know what
I mean. But drink what you're he gonna we're gonna
(11:52):
have a beer, what you're gonna laugh, have a good time.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And that's you know, I mean, Bill's a computer where
like if he's doing work, he's just thinking about work.
And the one thing that he was always that I
always liked with Bill. He was honest with you, which
he would try to be a little overly honest just
to prove his point on certain things. Look, I'm not
gonna pay you fucking ten million dollars, I mean, yeah, yeah,
(12:19):
you're fucking thirty three. Yeah, you know you're not gonna
be able to walk in through you said.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
He will take He would tell you this ship, I'll
tell you that.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But what you said about him preparing a team and
and and saying it's gonna be on me if it
doesn't go this way, there are countless times where you
remember he'd have those team meetings because it was probably
the same and he give you the keys. Look, fellas,
we just.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Need to do this, this, this, and if we do that,
this is gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
We'd sit there and be listening to this ship and
then you'd watch that on a Monday when you're watching film.
Everything that he said happened, and it exactly how he said.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Exactly. I'm saying he took. He took that.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
He made it easier to do your job because he
did all the hard work. A lot of guys don't
want to study that film. So you basically got a
coach as a walking cheat sheet, you know.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
What I mean?
Speaker 6 (13:14):
You can go ask him anything out of the blue.
He gonna already know what it is. I'm sitting there
like it's at a point where like, how do you
know all that you watched us? You you hear offensive
guys asking him stuff, and I'm like, how do you
got time to do all this shit and know all this?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
He's a of the cheat sheet, but he's an asshole
cheat sheet, But I loved him.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Next, Phil Simms on his experience playing for Coach Parcels.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
You know, Parcells, that was his thing. He could connect
with the player. Oh you know, he knew how to
get the best out of his player like he probably
did this that that to Phil and treated Phil the
way he treated him, because that's what fires up Phil.
Phil likes to be pissed off. He plays well pissed off,
you know what I mean. And that's and that's what
(14:00):
you know Parcells tried to do. I saw a lot
of that stuff too, you know, from from Belichick with
certain people. You know, it's just they do whatever it
takes to push the button to get the best out of.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
You, pushing buttons.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
He was great, Yeah, so you trade some, you trade well,
he would Bill.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Here's what Parcels would do. I watched him during the week.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
You know.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
He would walk around the locker room and get a
guy and go all right, now, listen, here's what I
need from you this week. You know you gotta you know,
you gotta come on it. And he would work the
room like you know, he had a restaurant. He would
get everybody individually, just for thirty seconds and maybe say something,
you know, now, you got to play better. I don't
want to take your ass out, you know or what.
But he was very if you want honesty, he was honest.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, he's looking at every piece of the machine to
make sure I mean, it's the big blue wrecking crew,
every every piece of the guy.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
But he worked everybody.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
It was.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
It was an unbelievable thing. It's a it's a it's
the best skill I think a coach can have, absolutely
and to be able to do this to players, to
be tough on them and still what's the word, not
alienate them and all that. They just knew this is
what it is and he's doing You want honesty all pleasure.
I just want you to be honest. Do you really
(15:10):
do you really want them?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (15:12):
Bill was honest.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I saw him do this.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I hate to tell these stories.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
We're in training camp and we're doing an inside run
thing and we have a guard. I'm not gonna say
his game. He goes, I'll call him Billy. Billy, I
got the plane ticket in my drawer. Don't make me
give it to you. Come on, I gotta see it.
Come on, I got the damn plane ticket in the drawer.
(15:36):
And I just go Wow. That was really like, that
was rough.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
And he would give the guy two or three days
and almost always one morning we show wear is so
and so all. They let him go, but he would
warn them if you won't pick it up. Oh no,
he never bluffed, but I heard him do that quite
a few times. But he was warning the guy, you
know that if you don't practice better, then it's just
(16:04):
not going to work.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Here the plane in the drawer. Yeah, I got them.
I mean my ex girlfriend did the same thing to me.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Now we got Keishawn Johnson on Bill Parcells's unique leadership style.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Parcels comes in day one. Is it just completely different?
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Oh my god. He fired the dude at the front gate.
That was a security guard named Harry. Harry had been
like the security guard for like however many years older.
Guy Bill got rid of him immediately. And so one
of our linebackers named Bobby Houston was a starting linebacker,
started for the Jet Tunnel noo four or five years
in a row, solid linebacker.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Like really good.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
He told him if he wasn't at off season conditioning,
he was gonna get rid of him. Dude didn't come
off season condition never played again in the National Football League.
Cutting never played again the National Football League. So yeah,
those coaches he started, he started the OTAs it used
to be. Getting you had to get forty days over
(17:08):
like a I want to say, maybe a two and
a half month period of time.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You had to get forty days in.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
And it was like you go a week, maybe two weeks,
you're off, then you come back a week, maybe off
a week, you know that sort of deal. And so
when he came, obviously I was one of the targets
right off. He cause was one of the targets. So
he called my agent, du do this that. And so
I'm like, well, it's paying on the fucking with all
(17:38):
that shit, man, you know. And so now my agent go, well,
he said, if you don't come, da da da, I said, man,
what shit man. I want to be at home my family.
I can do the same thing here. He goes, You
tell him, it's how he talks. He goes, you tell him,
if he's not here on this such and such date,
it'd be the worst mistake he ever made.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
So I go.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I go, right, So, now at this point, I'm probably
a little overweight. You know, I'm probably a little overweight,
and I'm probably two twenty five ish somewhere in there.
He goes, I sit down in his room.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I go in there.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
I'm in his room. He's got a dark room. He's
got one little light on. Like my feel like like
you just said. He's sitting there and we're talking. He goes,
how much did you weigh? I said, shit, I think
I'm about two twenty five ish. He goes, what was
that guy in the Rose Bowl? So I think I
was probably two ten maybe. He goes, that's the guy
(18:37):
I want. I said, Okay, cool, no problem. So now
I go home, I come back, go through the whole
offseason condition and I'm two o eight right, so I'm
looking crazy to him. I'm fucking you know. So now
all of a sudden, that's all I needed. I'm made
(18:57):
man now for the rest of my life. He got
me for the rest of all because I did everything
he asked me to do. You see what I'm saying. Yeah,
he asked me to do something for him. I did
it like that. And now you could say, you couldn't
say one bad word about me in front of him.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You gonna You're gonna catch hell. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
And so that's how I changed like that, And he's
a he after my second year, after my first year
with him in ninety seven, although I'm on a rookie contract,
he tried to rip my contract up. But uh, but
the management council with the NFL wouldn't allow it.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
They we did the deal, we did.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
He was getting ready to make me at that time
in ninety seven, I hadn't even done shit. I hadn't
fucking sixty five catches. So he was going to make
me the high one of the highest paid receivers in
the NFL at the time. We did the deal and everything,
they sent it to management council. The management councilor didn't
want to set a president, so they didn't approve it.
That's how our trust and our loyalty became a bomb
(19:57):
like it is now.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Wow. Yeah, gained parcels trust through cutting your weight. Yeah,
and then from that day on when because you did it.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Even to this day, I just talked to another day.
He goes, what's the number? I said, shit, man, I
don't know. I'm probably to thirty five or something. You know,
I just slipping down a little baby. He goes, yeah,
you look good, but I don't know if you're two
thirty five, look like you got walnuts in your cheeks.
I was like, no, I'm good. I'm like I'm good, coach,
I really, you know. He said, well, you're doing good, son.
(20:28):
You just keep doing what you're doing. Man, I'm proud
of you because that's my guy. Yeah, that's kind of
you know when I say it all the time. You know,
when you're around a guy for a long time, that
changes you. Like I was around Belichick. It becomes like
a fatherly figure.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Oh yeah, Thanks for listening. Remember to tune in every
Tuesday for a brand new episode and every Sunday for another.
Games with names highlight y
Hosts And Creators
Rob Gronkowski
Julian Edelman
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Bobby Bones Show
Listen to 'The Bobby Bones Show' by downloading the daily full replay.