James Develin on Super Bowl LII | Eagles vs. Patriots - Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Part of the reason I love the game of football
is like the brotherhood you build between your teammates. Like
I never had a brother growing up, so it was
always like kind of searching for that connection, and the
football gave me that connection. And then it's like now
I got like this kind of connection with these running
backs is like it's like I'm their big brother, Like
I'm their protector. Like You're not going to get to
me until you go through him. Like it gives me

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chills just thinking about it. Protector. I love it.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, you want to go run through a wall. Welcome
to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler,
and we're on a mission to find the greatest game
of all time. And on today's episode, we are covering
Super Bowl fifty two Eagles versus Patriots with former IVY
League defensive lineman, legendary fullback and one of the toughest

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dudes I've ever played with, James Devlin, and we get
into talking what makes the fullback position so special?

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Lord of the rings that orc that they send in
there with a bomb. He's like, what my role was?
Wilball orders, But I like to just go with like
what they've made, their bread and butter, pretzels and hokies.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
His thoughts on the Philly Special.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
It's just one of those things. Man. It's like the
thorn that you can never get out of your side.
And then we hit the chill line.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
In this week's Chill Zone presented by cors Light, you
gotta stick around to the very end. Let's go Games
with Names, a production of iHeartRadio February for twenty eighteen.
US Bank Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Patriots are a game away from back to back Super
Bowl championships.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
But Nick Fooles and the Philadelphia Eagles have a few
tricks up their sleeve. This is a Philly Special.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
All right.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
You we ready, Hayley, keep this thing six inches. You
can move, but keep this six.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Inches all right? That's six inches perfect? How do you
know half it?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know? Roughly? Today we are looking at Super Bowl
fifty two Eagles versus the Patriots with old James Devlin James,
welcome to the nuthouse. In one sentence, why did you
pick this game?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Being a Philly boy, this is just something that's never
really sat well with me. And I'm also a glutton
for punishment. So I'd like to just watch fucking misery.
But you know, I think that's that's one sentence. I'll
leave it there, brown Man. Yeah, that's a pro. That's
a pro. Is this the greatest game of all time?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Though?

Speaker 1 (02:56):
No, but it's close. Okay, it's up there. What is
the greatest game of allth AFC Championship twenty eighteen. But
you've done it twice already. Yes, that was my favorite
game I've ever I've ever participated in. Yeah, I mean shit,
it had everything. Why when we were running the ball, toughness, cold,

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everyone was against us in that stadium, and then just
a resiliency for us to make the plays when we
needed to, their attempt at coming back, the back and
forth and back and forth, and then the overtime drive
I think was just you know, all the third downs
we converted and all that shit, and getting down on

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the goal line and running it in on the same
play we had scored on not only that game three times,
but the week before against the Chargers a few times,
thirty five goal line lead, and then we fucking won
the game against the Rams on the same play. That's
what a fullback wants to fucking see, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Is thirty five full back lead.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Goal line lead? You don't know you were?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Were you and I know what it is? I wasn't
in It's goal line is just.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
So it's kind of monoymano. And at the time we
had a big Trent Brown that would fucking cave in
the whole left side and then I had to read
between him and Rob for my insertion point and get
to the to the strong side back or there and
uh yeah, we got the job done many times in
that run.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Now, when you had when you just said insertion point,
when you're you know it's Mono Emano thirty five goal
line lead, and you're looking at the other guy who
say it's Ray Lewis or whoever was one of the
tougher guys, you had to go, what's the mindset when
you're going into that insertion take us walk beat for beat,

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what you're thinking right before the snap or what you're
calculating who you're looking at. I want to know what
the fullback is thinking when he's going Mono Imano in
the insertion point.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
That's a great question. That's one that doesn't often get asked,
you know, because people kind of see, like, hey, fullbacks
are just in there, like you're just a battering ram, right,
just run ten yards and meet this dude in the hall,
and you know, let the better man win. But there's
a lot of like nuance to it, just like there
is at every position in the game of football. But

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fullback kind of gets like the moniker of like being
like a meathead. I'm in there just the fucking reek
havoc on this defense, which definitely plays into it, but
so like and so the young fullbacker, he's the tight
end kind of using him at fullback. Jack Westover that's
in New England right now recently asked me. He texted

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me and he said, hey, like, what are you looking
at on thirty five goal on lead? Because they had
it in right, And I said, like, great question, man, Like,
so you got to know depending on the front, depending
on how the d lines lined up, where you're expecting
to insert, know how your tackles playing blocks, you got

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to know how your guard, like how everyone's dispersing. And
then on the snap that could all change or it
could all stay the same. Right, So you're kind of
guessing before the ball just by like looking through feet
and seeing where guys are, where you're gonna insert and
then on the snap you either like you know, the
tackle's either going to high arm it and then like

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take everybody down. Then you're outside the tackle, wrapping tight
and try to stay low because this dude knows where
that fucking play's coming to. He's coming downhill just trying
to meet you in the hole. So you're kind of
processing all that. But then like once the ball snapped
and the decisions made, it's all about just getting there

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is much momentum and trying to hit them on their
side of the ball as deep as you can, just
to fucking bludget it. And then the back makes you right.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Is that what coach Scar says by resetting the line
of scrimmage?

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, And I think that was more. Is that the
key to goal line? You have to reset the line
of scrimmage into the goal line. Whoever does that wins?

Speaker 1 (07:07):
I think so. I think so. And then full back like,
I think he was obviously talking to the offensive line
trying to get that you're moving it. But then I'm like,
I'm like that, you know, what's that fucking show or
the movie Lord of the Rings at ORC that they
send in there with a fucking bomb he carries it in.

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He's getting all the arrows and he fucking carries it
in underneath. That's kind of like what my role was, Like,
We're gonna move this fucking wall, but then you got
to take one shot to make that dent in it
so the back can get in. And so yeah, I
think that that definitely plays into it.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Now, if linemen are like F three fifty pickup trucks,
what's a fullback? What are you?

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, you fucking address that with Dave a couple of weeks,
I know, but what are you? I believe in F
two fifty And coincidentally, that's what I that's what I
drive twenty nineteen f two fifty with about seventy thousand
miles on it, good year, and it's just like great
getting into like you know that that sweet spot right now.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
It's kind of like you getting into the league. Talk
to us about this journey. You had seventy thousand miles
before you even got into the NFL because you went
to goddamn USFL.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
You went to the re explain this journey. Sure, yeah, man,
So coming out of Brown University, being like the definition
of a tweener, I had a pretty decent career at
d I mean I wasn't big enough to play defensive line.
I wasn't fast enough to play linebacker. I was always
a defensive guy in at Brown in the IVY League,

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which there's not a ton of scouts coming there scouring
the IVY League for prospects. But we had a really
good team, right and we won the IVY League championship
my junior year. I was getting some attention. We had
a big d tackle next to me that was also
garnishing a lot of attention. We had to receive verse one,
you know, Buddy Farnham, and then Bobby soul was the

(09:03):
other guy. Dude.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
You know who else went? You know, Ryan Fitzpatrick went
to Harvard.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, do I know that? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:10):
I feel like did Chris Hogan play lacrosse too?

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah? Yeah, Jalen Hurts squat six hundred pounds. Everyone always
talks about Harvard. It fits. Yeah, Well, Harvard puts out
the most NFL guys for sure, Like they're they're kind
of the cream of the crop. Yale and Princeton are
probably right behind that, and then the other what five

(09:35):
IVY leagues are kind of all like below them as
far as NFL guys, but Brown's put out a few.
We got Mike Hoyt up in Buffalo right now, I
think he's the only guy. But yeah, anyways, coming out
of Brown, I was a tweener and I kind of
scratch and call just to get an agent to represent me.

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Had to do it kind of all on my own.
And then he he signed on and helped me open
up some doors. And the whole story is behind making
that switch to fullback is like, hey, you got to
sell yourself as like anything that's going to get you
an opportunity. So I started snapping balls. I started putting
out film with like just me running routes in my
you know, at Brown out back at the on the

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turf fields and shit. And then I did a workout
for Jim Garrett, who is the father of Coach Garrett
and you know that whole lineage down in Dallas. It
was a longtime coach in Dallas and the Jason Garrett
Jason Garrett, yeah NBC. And so he lives up in

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Mammouth County, New Jersey, and I drove up there and
did a workout in his backyard with a bunch of
high school kids. Ron and routs doing the whole thing
for like full back shit, and he kind of gave
me like the me and my agent the not, like hey,
if you want to try to play, I think you
got some skill to try to play full back or

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tight end whatever. So then I was just kind of
putting film out like hey, you know, see me, see me,
see me. No one came calling. Right out of school,
the draft came and went. Nobody called the Browns bring
me in as a as a three four outside linebacker
for rookie minty camp. And I was a fucking lost dog.

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Year is this twenty ten? So day Ball was a
OC Rex Ryan or Rob Ryan defensive coordinator and I'm
playing three four outside linebacker and just like like, no
fucking clue what I was doing out there. So they
sent me back in Saturday night. I didn't even make
it the Sunday. And then, uh, just at home, dude,

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just training. Like have this degree from Brown I just graduated,
and I'm living with my parents and they're like, you
want to start setting up some interviews, like you have
an engineering degree, Like do you want to go work
for Lucky Martin or somewhere at something. I'm like, no,
I want to play football, and so I got a

(12:05):
Facebook message of all things to go to a tryout
in Oklahoma City for the yard Dogs, which was an
AFL two team, but they just merged so it was
an AFL team. And I followed the message and followed
my heart, went down there, made the team for four weeks,
played arena football, making two hundred dollars a week, paying

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me in taco bell meal tickets and shit, if you want,
if we won, we'd get like the better restaurants of
Buela's was one down there. Hell yeah, I always enjoyed. Yeah,
and then yeah, and then from there it just went
back home. Then kind of randomly got a message from
my agent. I was in Cile City hanging with some

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of my buddies and he's like, hey, it was Saturday.
He goes, hey, you got to try out with the
UFL team, the Florida Tuskers, which no one had ever
heard of and no one probably still has heard of them.
But you're trying out as a Just go down there, like,
don't say anything that you would never played. And Jay
Gruden WASZOC was a head coach at the time. And

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I go down there, do my workout, and make the
team join them in training camp. I was the backup
full back. They kept two of us at the time,
and then the starting fullback two games end of the year,
gets Vertigo flying to Vegas and I start, and then
I had a great game, started the rest of the year,

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went to the championship game, lost the day after Thanksgiving
of twenty ten, and then the next day I had
a call from the Niners and the Bengals to come
join their practice squad, and then I went to Cincinnati
because they wanted me that week, Niners wanted me the
following and the rest is history.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
And then we picked you up off of the practice squad.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Now spent a year and a half and since he
after twenty twelve training camp, since he cut me and
then had the choice to go to either Tampa Bay
or New England. And Schiano was in Tampa at the time.
He was calling me personally, and I was like, man,
that's a pretty good sign. But you know, my agent

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was like, hey, Bill Belichick wants to take a look
at you, like you go there. So I followed his
advice and very very thankful that I did, because Tampa
ended up having MRSA outbreak that year too, So I
dodged that bowler.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Which is oh yeah, that's where people getting their foot
cut off. And Ship didn't know one of our old teammates,
one of them you.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Don't play with that. I haven't heard about Mercy in
a while though. Yeah, they got that thing under wraps,
maybe hopefully cheez. But James, you were also with Jay
grudenen Cinci.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Too, right, yeah, so I so I signed at the
end of that season. I forget who the OC was
at that time, but then that off season they signed Jay.
So then we kind of joined forces again and just coincidentally,
you know, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. The UFL the time
that we were in it together was a really good league,

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especially for guys like in my position, because there was
a ton of NFL talent that had, like for whatever reason,
been kind of either cast out or maybe they getting
a little old along in the tooth and they just
were looking for a place to play. But I mean,
like the backs that I blocked for there, I mean, uh,
Avion casm was a was a Cowboys running back for

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a while, Maurice Hicks was a Niner for a little while.
Dominique Rhodes was my mainstay at running back.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Your mainstay is just how it is. So these are
like your wives, your mainstay. These so explain that the fullback,
you guys are like, yeah, you know, my mainstay was.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
No, he was just like our he was our first
and second down back, just making sure. Yeah. And then
so like I spent the most time blocking for him,
and he was dynamic, man. I mean he won a
Super Bowl with the Colts and like, you know, had
a nice career in the NFL, and he was I
was just a twenty fucking one year old kid trying
to learn how to play fullback, and these guys like

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started showing me some ship and then they started believing
in me. And I'll never forget our our running back coach.
When so when our fullback got vertigo and then he
started he got healthy again, and my running back coach
goes to our running backs all personally and says like, hey,
we got to make a decision who we're going with

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here for the rest of this this season, Like if
we're on the goal line in the Super Bowl, who
do you want blocking for you? And all of them
said James Devil. So that's like that not to confidence
or it was fucking yeah. It was. That's like all
I needed to hear. Man. So I'm very thankful for
that league, that team, those guys for kind of believing

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in me and giving me a path to kind of
carve my way.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Don't sleep on the twenty ten Tousters. Man, they got
some names. Oh yeah, you really played with Jermaine Wiggins. Yeah,
he was on that team.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Was one.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Thisman was the owner, Joe was the owner, wide receivers coach.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah yeah, I mean, and then the guys across the
league at times that time. Jeff Garcia was Dante Culpepper.
Oh there was that old running back from Ohio State
that damn near Claret. Wow. Yeah, I mean yeah, man,
every team had like three or four guys were like,
holy shit, he's really honest. Team that's crazy, you know.

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And like the pay was decent. It was like practice
squad money. I was getting film though, which was beautiful
and and honestly, like at that time we were in Orlando,
living in the Shingle Creek resort and they were paying
for everything three three meals a day. It was like, man,
this is fucking incredible. Man, I do this, So I
don't know how that's different from like the UFL as

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it exists now probably better did have Waha then too?
They got just opened the first Wow, how did that
make you feel? As I never went in Florida because
it was like when they first opened, there was like
a mile line.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
You're not are you You're you're a Sheets guy?

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Isn't Sheets Philly?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Are you kidding? How could you even ask that thing?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
What is Sheets?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Then? Is that Pittsburgh? It's Pittsburgh and it's starting to
make its way over And so now where I live,
it's been wah Wah forever and there's a wah Wah
like less than a mile from my house. And I
just heard last week. It's funny that you bring this up.
Just heard last week that Sheets is opening up right
across the street from wah Wah.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Now, what's your order?

Speaker 1 (18:37):
So I used to always do like it's just a
simple turkey HOGI, But then they started implementing all this
other shit. They got like pizza burgers, now they got salads,
the like the whole nine. But I like to just
go with like what they've made their their bread and butter,
which is pretzels and and hogis you know, like a
turkey HOGI with you know, American cheese. Let us on it,

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like all the vegetables get on that and then yeah,
that's simple. The boys like going there. Yeah, every day
in the summer when we're at the beach, we will
put in a wah wah order while we're at home,
pick it up and go sit on the beach and
eat lunch. There's nothing. There's nothing like woldwaw See. I

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don't have those kind of places.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
But my dad used to bring me to the gas
station like shells and shit and if we get like
sunflower seeds or candy or whatever. So like I now
I do that with my kid, the sheets or wah
wahs or whatever, these things, those would be like heaven
to kids. I feel like if you can go and
order made to order food. Now, you said in Jersey,
do you ever steal any ideas from these wah wahs

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or anything for the smoothie shop?

Speaker 1 (19:50):
I think no, No, I mean I thought of like
maybe running running kiosks. So that's what the one yeah
I mean or are on the screen is a is
a very nice little touch that wah wah implemented.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
What is this? What's our smooth show called soulberry.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Where's it that we got one in Briganty, New Jersey,
which is the town I live at the shore, and
then Ocean City, New Jersey. So we got to what's her?

Speaker 2 (20:16):
What's our order? What's our favorite order? There?

Speaker 1 (20:18):
The Ti Moon, which is just a a Sai bowl base, granola,
peanut butter, blueberries and banana, and our peanut butter is
second to none, though we get it from a special place.
Only a few people carry it. It's Bizini is the
brand that makes it, and it's I don't know how

(20:39):
to funk they make it, but it's it's really good.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Do you sell sides of smelling salts?

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Well, technically I couldn't if we were selling the NFL guys,
But now I try to keep keep that separate from business.
You know, now, do you still use smelling salce? Yeah?
I actually just found a bag in my in my
top dresser drawer, not long ago, like forty probably what
are they five ten years old at this point? So

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they're perfectly seasoned, and every once in a while I'll
crack it, crack one open while I'm down there. There
we go.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
These are just the salts, it's not the These can
get these can get like tricky when you when you put.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Them, well, yeah that's a little that's a little wheat.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
It's like it's like when you see your grandpa just
like take whiskeys like this and just not even move.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, you have some ten year old smelling salts. And
that was probably like if like a regular person finds
like a twenty dollars bill in their pocket, they're like
a static for week. Jimmy finds thirteen year old fucking
smelling salts in his top drawert, He's.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, now touss that back to me. Actually wouldn't mind it.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, what are you up to these days?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
So I'm working for the NFLPA cool, advocating for the
for the community that I came from, which is really
it's it's been fulfilling. I've been there full time since March.
I was kind of like in that space doing other things,
but as of March they kind of brought me full
time on board and then I'm running Soulberry, got to

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the two shops down the shore, and then just being
a dad man. You have four kids and they keep
me very busy, and just being a being a fucking
rock star husband to my rock star wife.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Man, she's a fucking Jenny Lill Jenny. Jimmy always talking
about Jenny. Yeah, do whenever you.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Hey, you know Jenny, Jenny, Jenny the best, absolutely love.
So I went. I went to elementary school with her. Yeah,
and we lived like less than a mile apart, like
my entire childhood, and then we reconvened. I was in
Sincy during the lockout, kind of home like during the summer,
didn't know what the fuck to do, and uh. She

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was living down the shore and just randomly like got
a text from two of her friends that needed a
ride home from the shore. They're like, hey, can you
come pick us up? And they were staying with Jenny.
And I went down there, first time I had seen
her in probably five plus years. And she since like
high school, went to Temple, cheered for the Sixers, did

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a lot of stuff. She was working at marketing down
at the casinos in ac and living living in Brigantine,
and I remember seeing her on the beach for the
first time and I was like, God, damn, Jenny, Jenny,
Jenny grew up. And then I drove those to her
two friends home and I was at my neighbor's house
and he just passed away. Rest in peace, Kevin case

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but uh he. I was just talking to him and
I said, hey, you know, if I had to marry
someone right now, it would be Jenny Waddington. That was
her maiden name. And then fucking manifested that shit again. Man,
it made it happen. This got me thirteen years, four kids. Man,
it's fucking beautiful.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, it's beautiful. They're a beautiful couple American loves. We
got to make that a movie. Honestly, I think we're
gonna make that a Philly Philly movie. Like, yeah, how
much football we still watching these days?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I mean youth football at time?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
You watching Pros?

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, I still watch the Pros as much as I can.
I mean my kids will play on Sundays, which sometimes
gets a little tricky, but definitely watching. I mean, the
Eagles are are in prime condition right now to watch them,
and my kids are big time fans at the Eagles.
I think they're still loyal. They're like Patriots one A,

(24:34):
Eagles one B. Right now. You guys are in af
Phillies exactly, so they can't not be they can't like
buck that trend. But they'll still wear like Patriots jerseys
and shit today year and stuff. Yeah, but it is
a fun time to grow up an Eagles fan, which
is like one of the reasons I wanted to bring
up this game was like I was die hard Eagles

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for twenty one years growing up until I kind of
made that jump to the NFL, right, and so like
now seeing and I also grew up in a great
time of Eagles football, you know, when they were making it,
making it to the NFC Ship Championship four years in
a row, mcnaw Westbrook trot or like that whole kind
of old school style football. Brian Dawkins. Yeah, I mean

(25:22):
that motherfucker dude. Yeah he was.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
I saw a floater for like three weeks after that.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah he would, man. But yeah, so I'm just I'm
I'm happy that my kids get to experience that just
like I did.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, you watching the Pats at all, what are our thoughts?

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I mean, I think they're they're like young, They're just
trying to kind of build their identity. But I think
in time we just need a little bit more time,
like to build the consistency time on task we need.
We need some continuity, you know. I think the leaders
like when we were in New England, there was such
a like passing of the of the torch from year

(26:03):
after year after year, we had like the core group,
and that core group has all kind of been dismantled.
But they're starting to build a new core now. So
you just need time. You need like shared experience so
you can like look in people's eyes and know what
the fuck to expect from them and in these like
hard moments, and I think that'll come over time, and

(26:23):
you just right now, you're just kind of in that
building phase, right. So I got full confidence in uh
in coach Frable and what he's doing. I think he's
a he's an intelligent guy that brings good energy, good intensity,
expects a lot and so I'm I'm excited for him. Man,
we just need to give him the time that they deserve.

(26:44):
They had one brock Lampy, but he got hurt in camp.
I think he broke his foot finished practice though, so
he got got a little got a little grit to him.
But now yeah, they're using like a tight end Jack
west Over and he's a good dude. He's a he's
he's a good kid. But yeah, they're bringing it back.

(27:06):
Josh always likes to use it. It's it's a nice
piece to play this chess game that we call football,
you know, And so I think, is it a nice piece?
Well funny u ass. I just think that it allows
for a lot of It allows for a lot of
versatility as an offense. I think it kind of like

(27:27):
draws the line in the sand, like we're going to
be a tough team. And I think football is a
very sick with game, right, and when offenses got real,
like past dominant defenses obviously have to morph and and
to try to defend the pass. Right, So linebackers get
a little smaller, safeties get a little more you know,

(27:51):
athletic and be able to have range and not so
much coming downhill like Sean Taylor, Brian Dawkins, all these guys,
Ed Reid, I mean I read a range, but he
also would come down and crack guys. So as these
defenses changed, like, well what does the offense do? Then
its cyclically kind of like starts to morph, to play

(28:11):
to their weaknesses. And now if they have two hundred
and thirty pounds linebackers, and you can put a two
fifty to fucking three hundred and ten pounds. Now we're
seeing like the Charters and the Ravens, they got these
bohemoths at full back just paving away for Derrick Henry
and like, god damn, you put five hundred and fifty
pounds in the backfield and just run these dudes. Let's

(28:33):
do it right. So, I think the game of football
as it kind of sickly comes around. I think full backs,
bigger tight ends like road graders are starting to come
back a little bit, and I'm here for it, bro, Yeah,
I love it.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's I mean, all the winning teams always usually have
like a fullback of some sort or a run game.
And usually if you have a run game, you have
a full back. Yeah you know, but what kind of
football that are you? I know your boys are playing
ball now.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, so that's yeah, it's it's a I've thought a
lot about this. I've thought a lot about it. I
didn't want to add any pressure to my boys, right because, like,
coming from a football family, there's gonna be that like
just inherent see a last name, and they like, now
there's expectations, right, So I was My boys played flag

(29:25):
when they were young. My oldest Jimmy, came to me
after his first his first flag season and goes like that,
and I like flag, but I want to play real football,
like put pads on. And I was like, all right,
let's do it. So the followings fall we signed them
up for real football and I was gonna I was

(29:46):
going to coach. And then they had a practice. I
did the fingerprint whole process and ship. It was a
couple of days away from getting my clearance to go
out there and help. I like that.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, I like that process for Yeah, let's fingerprint these absolutely.
And so I tell you right now, I had an
old coach that dude definitely was at the bar doing
some crazy shit before. Yeah, should have been a coach.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah. So I, uh, yeah, I had a moment where
like I wasn't yet coaching, and I pulled Jimmy off
and I was getting like real technical on some shit
and like kind of just overly like in his face
about it. And I watched like the joy drain off
his face in that moment, and I was like, you
know what, like what I got to give, I don't

(30:32):
think they're ready for it, right, So let me give
them a couple of years just have fun, like play
the game, learn the game, do their thing. And then
if they continue to play, when they get a little
bit more mature and they can take the coaching and
all that shit, because we were coached hard, right, like
like you said, Like I remember my first youth football coach.

(30:54):
Dude never wore shoes, yeah, and he always had like long,
kind of raggedy hair. But I love that dude. I'd
play ball for him. He was a football coach. And
so you know, like there's sometimes you got to have
those experiences, you got to have those tough moments. I mean,
football is a hard game, you know, and if anyone
gives themselves to it, you gotta give it the respect

(31:15):
that it deserves. And so I'm right now, I'm just
playing on the sideline. I get to watch everything. I
get to see every single play, every move they make.
And when the time is right, I will I will
move in and try to shepherd those guys in the
way that I, you know, know football.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Shepherd them using biblical terms.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
And the kids, we're all growing up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Man.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Look at this ship. Dude, you're fucking growing up. What
are you talking about, bro? Yeah, you're growing up.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
We're all growing We're all growing up. We're all growing up.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Now, Hold up, before I go any further, I'd be
remiss if I don't say congratulations on the red Jack bro.
I can't believe it took me this long to fucking
get out of here to bring that to recall, man,
but fucking well deserved. Wish I would have been there,
watched the whole ceremony on YouTube, but uh yeah, I

(32:15):
mean it was it was great and and Slate brought
it up. And I've told you this to your face
several times in the past. Is it's been like one
of the highlights of my career, like being annoyingly from
twenty twelve to twenty nineteen, I kind of saw the
full spectrum of Julian Edelman, right Like, when I got there,

(32:37):
Wes was still the man. You were like waiting in
the wings, but you were still doing your thing. And
then I just saw the fucking full like climb to
the top. And then let's say that, you know, the
peak was that the Super Bowl MVP, right, So I
got to witness that whole thing, and that was just

(32:57):
like the work ethic. You showed, the amount of work
and attention to detail and all that shit that you
put in and this is the example that you set
for young guys. I mean it was. It was remarkable, man.
So I think it's just it's special and I should
recognize that the greatness that's in this room would make
you get out of here.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Man.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
I appreciate that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
You think I apologize apologized enough for being an asshole
to to certain guys. I don't think I did. I
don't need to apologize.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
Man.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
What was done is done. Do businesses. Business is being done.
There was assholes in that in that locker room is
so fuck it, man, was done.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I always wanted, you know, I always felt like, if
I'm working this hard, yeah, if you you should be
working this hard too. Yeah, if you're a young guy, yeah,
it's sometimes sometimes fuck it hey, but that's how I
was taught. That's what guys were doing to me when
I was young. Just like what you say in passing
to the torch, Uh.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
It worked well, young Conporse coming up, you can always
I'm going to atone for all those in Texas.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I'm gonna yes, great great throwback right there.

Speaker 6 (34:04):
Call.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
I was gonna say, Billy Madison people to kill us college.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Right at the time to say that right now, Pennsylvania
the best state for high school football.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
It's up there. I think Florida, Georgia, California. I don't know.
I don't really know much about California, so I just
threw that in because you're sitting here. But I know, like,
I know, what is it? The Mission something, the.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Daily Sau, Mission, Vio Long Beach Paul. I mean, the
list goes.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
On not Redwood City, though, wood Side we're pretty good.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, we went thirteen to oh, but we weren't like
we did that like once, like the big powerhouse schools.
You go to the like PPSL and Norcoo, which is
like the Saint Francis Is, the Sarah's, the Bellerman's, and
you have the I think the NCS or something, which
is daylya Sau and then you come down south. I'm
learning all the southern California.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Fornia.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's such a big state that like we have we
have great high school football. Yeah yeah, I mean you
got like but Pennsylvania, Bro, you guys have Joe Montana,
Dan Marino, you got Revis, you have James Devlin. There's
countless one of the I played a lot with about
the Pittsburgh kids because I went to Kent State, and

(35:22):
like some of the we would always get like the
guys that weren't big enough for you know, the big,
badass dudes are going to penn State.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
They're going everywhere, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
But like I always thought Pittsburgh had elite football.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Oh man, Aaron Donald.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Pennsylvania, Robbie g Robbie, he's a Buffalo guy. Yeah he
got I mean he said to a teacher he went
to public school in Pittsburgh for one year.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Michael Parsonskuon Barkley, like I mean, Lashawn McCoy, dude.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Like Lashawn McCoy. They had some They have elite people
in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
They do, but it's kind of spread out between like
Philly Pittsburgh. What I will say, if it's not the best,
it's definitely the grittiest between Pittsburgh and Philly. Like name too,
grittier city.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Off the top that you know, Like I love that
little park and Brentwood, gritty Silicon Valley.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Everyone always tried to talk that shit about California. I
just say want two words, one name, Logan Mankins. Okay,
that's all. That's all I gotta say.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
That is Fresno State boys are different. They're growing up
on farms and shit. Lorenzo Neil, Lorenzo Neil.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
We had them in here, dude, he's a Fresno guy,
or Central Valley they call it.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Uh huh. Is there an East West rivalry in Pennsylvania. No,
there's more of like a pa Ohio rival Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
There's that's there's the Super Game, right, Big thirty three,
thirty three, But now I think it's called difference.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
It might be Super thirty three or something like that,
but now I think they incorporate Maryland too. I actually
don't know that for a fact and just kind of
threw that in. But yeah, it used to be the
Big thirty three, and now that was a big, big,
big game. It was the thirty three best prospects from
pa Versus Ohio. I was not selected. I'm still kind

(37:12):
of salty about that, but you know, at the time,
I just didn't didn't fucking earn it yet. Yeah, so no,
it's it's the Big thirty three. That was huge.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Well, I want to know, decision to go to Brown, Well,
you recruited anywhere else, So what did that process?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
So I was like a bigger kid when I was young,
So you're full grown at twelve. Yeah, Like sophomore year
high school, I was like chest hair when you're thirteen
sixty three now, but I probably had facial hair. But like,
so sophomore year high school was.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Fourteen, he was a fucking fourteen, and a sophomore year
I was six three, like two thirty five, and so
I was like playing and just like defeating guys off
my size.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
And then I think, you know, colleges saw that and
were like, all right, let's give this kid a look.
Then I never really grew past that, and I never
really got much faster or like athletically gifted. I mean,
the fact that I played ten years in the NFL
with the athleticism that I have is a fucking mystery.

(38:16):
I am right, I'm not that athletic dude. I ran
a five o three forty the one going I mean that, yeah,
and twenty is good. It's all matters. Twenty is good.
My five ten five was always good. Yeah. But the
one thing that I have was like football IQ or
like we were talking about earlier on thirty five insertion
points and shit, like I learned how to how to

(38:39):
expect things and how to like analyze what was happening
in real time. Spatial awareness was always super strong for me,
like coming from the defensive side of the ball and
like feeling things, you know how you can like feel
like out of your pariffs. So at fullback it kind
of all like culminated and worked because I think about
all the time, like the guys that I was blocking

(38:59):
for were like like probably a full half a second
faster in the forty but I'm still like leading them. Yeah,
so how the fuck did they not run up my
back all the time. It was like I was able
to process information real fast and make decisions real fast,
and then it made up for that so that like football, IQ, Shit,
where the fuck were we going? You asked about Browne?

(39:24):
So early in my high school career, started getting like
recruited by some bigger names. Took visit. My first ever
collegiate visit was to Michigan. I went to the Big
House on their junior day and I was like, fuck, dude,
I'm gonna be a Wolverine, Like I know.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
It was the coolest home. It's too especial at our time.
We're kind of the same age. Yeah, Like Michigan was
had Charles Wison won the fucking heights in there. Yeah,
they were Michigan big house.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Chad Henny was from one town over essentially from me
and I. The game that I went to their junior
day was his first start versus Miami of Ohio and
Ben Roethlisberger, and I remember like Braylan Edwards had a
one hander in the back of the end zone and
it was just incredible, right, And so I was like,
all right, I'm going to Michigan, like sign me up.

(40:13):
But offers never came. And so then I started going
like kind of kip going down their ranks. And then
it was just like, all right, well, if I'm not
going to go to a big football school, let me
go to let me get the best education I can
and kind of leverage football to get me in there.
So I had good grades, had good SAT scores, like

(40:35):
always super strong in math, and then I just fucking said,
all right, it's IVY League or nothing. And then Brown.
It came down to Brown in Princeton. I took visits
to both, just felt like I connected more with the
Brown like football team. I didn't really know anything about
the school, like embarrassingly enough, like I didn't really like

(40:56):
do that research but I was, you know, a seventeen
year old kid, like and then I just I just
like the feel when I was in Providence on my
official visit, like I had the time of my life.
And then I went to Princeton the next week and
it just it was fun. It was Princeton, so it's like, oh,
like everyone's buttoned up, like, but I just didn't feel

(41:17):
that like comfort.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
So then I just went to Brown and fucking Princeton. Yeah, man, yeah,
the sam Acon used to take me to Shark.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Oh yeah, there's there's some spots on their street, east
side Pockets Meeting Street, which is like right behind there.
I probably eating there more than I've eaten anywhere in
my entire life. Just a great little DELI.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
What's up with what's up with IVY League guys becoming fullbacks?
You an US check?

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Is he your favorite fullback right now? Who's your favorite
fullback in the league right now?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Recard Record? I think he's doing great things. I mean
he's a little banged up right now. But then this
Matt Lock, dude, I just meant yesterday with the Chargers,
he's doing great things as well. That whole heart hardball
loves loves them some fullbacks, man, which I I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
It's because they want to have drawn the line in
the sand for be in a tough football right now,
they're slinging too, Yeah, they're slinging.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
So when you transitioned from defensive line to full back,
was there like you're watching a lot of tape like
who are some of the fullbacks that were doing their
stuff that they were like maybe modeling your game after.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, Vante Leach, I'd say it was like he was
the kind of pinnacle when I got in and I
thought that that dude was he was a bad dude.
I think the best blocking fullback of all time You've
you've had on low Neil So but I remember watching
a lot of Leach tape and like just seeing the

(42:50):
way he like approached guys and then and then I
was just trying to like fully learned offense, the lingo,
the whole thing. And when I was in the UFL,
like those those running backs that I mentioned earlier, they
kind of show me, like, you know what it took
to just read out runs because I had never done
that before, like on the move.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
So he yea, they are problem solvers a lot of
the fullbacks, the good ones, Like sometimes the line, if
they fuck it up, they have to make it right.
A lot of the times for a fullback, the line
will do something and may get a different look and
he's got to blow it up like that and not
you know what I mean. So there's a lot of
like what he's saying, processing. He has to be able

(43:34):
to process where that guy's going that tackle that whatever,
if it's a wham or something, if they're going to
go in, he's got to be able to process on
a dot on who to hit, when to hit, because
then you got to launch into it and get your
pad level.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
It's like it's like not just it's not just like
go hit the guy. Yeah, I mean let's not let's
not get this twisted. It's not rocket science. But the problem,
the problem solving thing is a big piece of it.
And like that's one thing I was studied engineering at
Brown and like that's a big time component of engineering.
It's problem solving. Like, yeah, you got to know the math,

(44:09):
you got to know the science, you got to know
all that shit. But then like when shit goes wrong,
how are you gonna like modify your thinking?

Speaker 2 (44:16):
So you're engineering helped your fullback in.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
I think so. I think so it allows.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Go get your engineering degree.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Now.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
The Patriots, like running back room, had a lot of
different styles of running back from Sony, Michelle, James White,
Rexburg at the Garapont they all brought something different to
the table. Now, if you're blocking for them, how does
that affect like your craft and your technique you.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Block differently for each each guy.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
I would like to believe that I didn't, but I
definitely felt who I was blocking for. So like I
think it's probably between LG and Dion Lewis who are
my favorite backs were to block for? Because LG you
could like you could kind of like get a glance
and blow on it on a guy and he's going
to be like He'll fucking finish that that off for you.

(45:02):
But then Dion was so slippery that it was like,
you know what I will say, like there's an element
of the true the amount of trust you have behind
that guy, like to set up your block to like
predict how I'm gonna take this dude on so that
he can cut off of it. Like Shane was real
good of that. Shane Veren like very good at like

(45:23):
the patience to like let it and let me make
contacts so then he can like boom and go the
other way right, versus like guys that don't have that
patience or they're just like they're predicting it. And he
almost can't fucking wait to get into that hole. It
fucks me up.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, because he's not setting up this block. He's gotta
go widen so he can widen if he doesn't. If
he doesn't widen and he goes, then this guy can
overplay James and go inside. Yeah, so he's got to
wait till the very last minute. They always say step
on the heel, step on the outside the heels of
the guy so he can get the right and then
then he can cut off.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
So it would be a time where like you read
a plus situation and you and you block in a
certain way and then a guy just doesn't help you
out with it's like just piss you off, and like
what does that?

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I mean? Yeah, it pisses you off.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
That's why the line of the guy matters, because if
he goes like this and this guy and and James
has got to get around him and set the edge.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
If he's not setting it up wide or you know
what I mean, or if it's supposed to go everything.
I think like outside zone plays were always kind of
tricky because like you're you got to let the whole
play develop while you're running, and then the running back
he might see something early before, like I've already passed it,

(46:38):
and then he sees it and then it's like he's
cutting up and I'm expecting the linebacker to flow completely
over the top. Then it's like I don't have a
chance to get into yeah. But then like you know,
inside or like inside zone plays a lot more like
downhill where there's just less room to go, So you
know that's I like, I like the inside zone plays

(46:59):
because there's just kind of like line up and go
get them, you know. But yeah, there's there's a the
trust factor. Like I always I always appreciated the relationship
between the running back and the full back. I remember
when I was first kind of making that transition. Like
you mentioned about who you watched, I remember watching the

(47:20):
thing on I think it was like a thirty for
thirty or something on ESPN about Mike Carney, the running
back for the or the fullback for the Rams, and
his relationship with Steven Jackson. Yeah, and how they were
like buddy buddy, and they would like do shit together,
to have dinners together, got their families together. And I
remember just like loving that because I like part of

(47:42):
the reason I love the game of football is like
the brotherhood you build between your teammates. Like I never
had a brother growing up, so it was always like
kind of searching for that connection. And then football gave
me that connection. And then it's like now I got
like this kind of connection with these running backs is
like it's like I'm their big brother, Like I'm their protector.
Like you're not going to get to me until you

(48:03):
go through him, you know. And I fucking love that,
Like it gives me chills just thinking about it. Protector
I fucking love yeah, And like and damn, and now
I got that relationship with Jenny, Like I'm her protector.
I'm my kids protector, you know, so you gotta kind
of you got to go through me before you get
to them. Fucking you know you want to go run.

(48:24):
Should full backs be eligible for the Protector of the
Year Award?

Speaker 2 (48:27):
They should?

Speaker 1 (48:28):
They should. That's what we do. Hey, nfl p A,
maybe you can put a word there. We go quick
before we move on Mount Rushmore. Oh, man quick, Vante Leach,
Tom Rathman, Yeah, I know you would. Uh who did

(48:49):
I say first? Neil so Lorenzo, Neil, Vante Leach, Tom Rathman.
I mean I chry Slessinger was good up in Detroit.
You know, we had Max Strong was a fucking man
amongst men. Best full back name ever. Yeah, oh my god, yeah,

(49:12):
jeez Born. Yeah, I'd say that's that's five. This one
more than than is the Mount rush Morris. I like that.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
We'll be right back after this quick break.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Let's move on and let's go back into time around
where the game took place. This game took place on
February fourth, twenty eighteen, which is now starting to be
that's almost ten years away.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
That's crazy to think.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
It's getting kind We usually do these games and they're
fucking like, oh, this is like two years ago. But
the number one movie Jamanji, Welcome to the Jungle, number
one song God's Planned by Drake, remember all that. That
new Gumanji was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I liked it. I liked you. That was with the Rock, right,
the Rock and Chris. Yeah, that was a funny one.
Kevin Hart, n.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Heart, Kevin Hart, Walking Dead, Games of Thrones vit means
Stranger Things were all popping off TV.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Did you watch any of these during this time? Yeah?
Game of Throne, Well, I didn't watch Game of Thrones
when it first came out, but I went back circle
back and we watched that. Stranger Things. I've always been into.
I think it's kind of starting to lose it, losing
its steam for sure, time in between forgetting. It's getting
to like complex. I don't know what's going on in
what dimension. I'm like, yeah, just let's wrap this up,

(50:27):
let's put a bow on it.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
January one, California legalizes cannabis for recreational use. Wow, that
just that long ago?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Every first one.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
They were first, there was the first big Yes, Denver was.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
The recreational confused.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Well, this is like you could go just get get
Super Bowl Champions Philadelphia Eagles, m VP, Tom Brady, uh,
Natty Champs Alabama. Baker Mayfield was the Heisman.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
What was the pregame playlist before a game?

Speaker 1 (51:01):
For me? Yeah? Uh, kind of a little bit of everything.
As I got later into my career, I went more
into like like hardcore metal, and I just wanted that
like slaughter to of ail as where people are gonna
think I'm fucking crazy for even saying that shit, But

(51:22):
for there's something that like the like the choppiness of
the guitar and the drums just get me going, man,
And like that mentality that I get in when listen.
I still listen to that when I train, just because
you know, you gotta get it. You got to get
into like a dark place, and I think that stuff
puts me there. So but yeah, I dabble with like

(51:44):
I kind of came up in like the the late nineties.
I didn't come up in it, but like I when
I was going through high school and college, like I
really got into like the late nineties early two thousands
New York hip hop. So I was Mob Deep, Yeah,
Wu Tang Clan all kind of stuff, and so shook
Ones was always on the playlist. Survival of the Fittest

(52:06):
by Mob Deep was always on the playlist. Yeah, I
had a feel no what's twenty eighteen James, Like, well
at that point I had two boys, hadn't quite had
my daughter yet that was a year later. But just
kind of like learning how to be a dad, learning

(52:28):
how to be like a family man but also NFL fullback.
And this particular game was real odd for me because
I had so much family in Minnesota for this one,
because my wife's cousin worked for the Eagles, so she
had her connection to tickets. We had ours obviously, and

(52:52):
we had like thirty maybe touching forty people in town jeez,
And it was I mean, takets they give you, well
what do they get? Gave me like eleven twelve. But
then I was able to get more, which I didn't
know about when I was like when we were going
to Super Bowls I was younger. I just thought like
you got what you got, yeah, and like, don't fucking

(53:14):
make a fuss. But then I started realizing, like as
we went back a couple of times, like you could
just go and get as many as you fucking need. Really,
you know, I didn't that. I remember Slate telling me like, hey,
just just go ask I get the guy's name now,
but Stacy, no, I could like draw them, yeah, glasses,

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but anyways, that's that's neither here nor there. But yeah,
like you could just go the week of the super
Bowl when you're in town, yeah, and just like, hey,
I need five six more tickets, and I just know
how far removed from your nuclear family, do they start
rooting for the Eagles pretty immediately, like my dad even

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but then yeah, like your dad was rooting for the
Eagles then, I mean I think he I think he
was obviously rooting for me and the Patriots, but I
think he was definitely like happy. I mean, he grew up.
The Eagles are all he ever knew. It's all I
ever knew while I was a kid, you know, and
so and it's their first one, this was their first.
Let's jump into this game, Jackie. No matter what, your

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dad's leaving that stadium happy. Yeah. Yeah, win, win for
mister Devlin.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
Let's go, hu we run through the Eagles, the Eagles,
all right, these guys were thirteen and three. They're winning
his season since O four. Coincidentally, that season also ended
with a meeting of the Patriots and the Super Bowl.
That was the to Andy Reid era. Don he had
a broken beam or something, seriously, and he's still played
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah, yeah, like one hundred and thirtys or something, fred
X all that. That was a good era.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
Yeah, this was the second year with Doug Peterson era
in Philly coming off a year and went to went
seven and nine, had some notable coordinators Frank Greg Jim Schwartz.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Uh. And then the biggest scoring one. Remember what Bill
used to call Schwartz short. Yeah, now Schwartz, he's gonna
crash crunch Chase.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah, just kept this simple, man.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
And then the big storyline late in the season was
Week fourteen, Carson Wentz tears his ACL in a forty
five to thirty five win over the Rams.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Uh. This was also a team that brought in some
veteran free agents.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
You bring in Tory Smith, you bring in al Sean Jeffrey,
you bring in Chris Long, Nick Foles, LG. Who we've
been talking about today. Of course, great guys on the line.
You got Jason Kelsey, you got Lane Johnson, Jesus Malcolm Jenkins.
I mean these guys, Jalen Mills another guy that went
on to the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
So I was for this.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
I was hurt.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Yeah, what was the keys to beating this team? What
was the era of this Philly team? What were they
preaching about this team? So they were off to like such.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
A fucking hot start this year, and Wentz like had
he finished this season. I mean he would have been.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Up for the nah, he was like god tyr season.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Then and then when it when it when he got hurt,
and then like Nick Foles took over and there they
were still kind of went in right, but three losses yeah,
and I've but they may have been undefeated underwentz or like.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
Maybe only one loss under wins that was Week two
with Kansas City.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Okay, so they were real yeah, and so you were like,
all right, so like they still got a little bit
of life in them with Foles, but you were kind
of always waiting for for the wheels to fall off, right,
and then they go through that playoff run and they
take on this identity as like we're the underdogs, like
nobody fucking believes in the masks, the dog masks, and

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it was like, man, we just gotta we gotta, we
gotta like be able to outlast these guys, you know,
like they got fight, but we're the Patriots, Like this
is what we do. We play in the February, and
so like we just gotta we gotta outlast them. And
I mean their defense was always real aggressive. Their d
line was real good. You know, they have Fletcher Cox

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holding it down. They have Brandon Graham on the edge,
and like, you know, so if we just handled them,
you know, we could we could just take care of business.
I mean, and our offense did did a phenomenal job.
Like the game itself. I know, we'll get into it
more detail later, but like we were ready to go,
and we you know, we did our five hundred yards. Yeah,

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I mean, I think it's still is the the the
game with the most offensive yards. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
Get into this Patriots team. Let's here unbelievable. Let's get
into these twenty seventeen Patriots. We're looking to repeat.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Thirteen and three.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Also best team in the AFC, eighteenth year of the
Bill Belichick era. Josh running the offense, McDaniels, that is,
Maddy p running the defense, coming off the Super Bowl
WINMI year prior we all remember twenty eight to three.
Jeweles was out this season. The freaking turf in Detroit
prior to the season in the preseason took.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
My boy out. Hated that that was sad man.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
And then we got to get in some of these dudes.
We got James of course, Brandon Bolden, Rex Burkehead, Dion Lewis,
James White, Dola one that I forgot. Kenny Britt is
a huge part of this, Tanny Cooks, Philip dor set Rob.
I mean you got big, Allen Branch, David Andrews at center,
Teddy Kara's friend of the show, Jack Mason, eight, Solder

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Stephen Sevon Gilmour. I mean, this was the heck with
Patriots team looking to go back to back.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah, man, how would you sum up this twenty seventeen
Pats team.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I mean we were we just had a lot of talent, man,
and we were like we were cooking. And I remember
like despite losing you like we were the offense or
the wide receiver room was able to like kind of
galvanize around Danny Hogan like these guys that were kind
of just scrappy dudes as well, you know, and so

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you just kind of like kept kept riding the wave.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
Man.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I mean we we were decimated with some injuries like
you of course, but then you know, was Dante out
all year? How I go out all year? Yeah, looks
like there's a lot of banged up. I mean that's
when we brought in bad most, Like, yeah, what's it like?
Like At this time, Jewels was kind of a core

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member of the team. What's it like losing a player
like that so early is in the season. From like
a cultural locker room standpoint, it's it's real tough, man,
because like he just leaves such a hole, like not
only in his gameplay, but also his personality is leadership
like you know, and when you when you missed that,
everyone else has to like kind of bring that those

(59:30):
elements in their game or they like look to other guys.
But yeah, I mean losing like even when we didn't
have Tom for four weeks that one year, like and
then we all kind of rally around it almost because
it's like, all right, well we got to take on
that that load, you know, collectively, like no one person

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can do what Jewels did, you know, so but all
of us together working together doing our thing and making
up for that, like we might come close to it
with the moneyball philosophy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, Rob always talks about you being in the tight
end meetings. How are those meetings?

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
I mean, well, it's a Dave Ball left Forbama this year, right,
and then we got Nick Kyley and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Whose offensive coordinator Houston?

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Houston, Yeah, just gotta get this guy's up front the
block a little bit, you know. But yeah, now, but
between those two, I was very blessed to be in
that tight end room. Dave's taught us how to like
how to process information. He taught us how to think quickly.
He was a great coach man. I love Daves. And
then Nick Keyley came in and he just coached with

(01:00:36):
his fucking heart. Man like that dude cares. He cares
about his guys, He cares about his performance. So I
know he's probably going through it right now down to Houston.
But yeah, like sometimes you got to take those lumps
as as a young OC.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
But yeah, you and Gronk do like math battles in
the room or something. You like numbers, He likes numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Yeah, but he didn't do numbers like I do numbers. Yeah,
are you numbers guy? Yeah? Yeah. I heard him say
what his SAT score was. I got him by like
fifty points oh seven eighties seven eighty. I'd be like
perfect five eighty. And with the words though, I don't
do well with the words. Do you know that's only

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missing like one or two questions?

Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
You know what you missed now, James, We also in
the running back rooms.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I'm like in the meeting. The first year. Okay, my
first year, I was with Ives in the running back room,
and I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
I don't what's the difference between the running back room
and the tight end room. Let's hear this one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
I mean a lot more like liveliness in the running
back room. There's a lot more like joking. Tight end
room was like very professional, you know, like even though
we had I had Robin there, like in a you know, man,
a man like Rob isn't like the party boyfriend, like yeah,
pro yeah, and he he's very intelligent, We're very diligent

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about the way he approached his game. And then like
between me and then we had we always had like
the third guy, right, Like it was either Marty or
who man Early or Duyanne Allen and like so we
had like that third guy and then usually like a
younger dude that was coming up, Jake Hollister or something
like that. Right, So just a lot more like professional,

(01:02:16):
i'd say, in the in the in the tight end room.
But I learned a lot. I learned a lot from
of how to like how to behave as a running
back with IVES in that room, Like we had wood
Woody at the time when I first got there in
twenty twelve. He was like he was a whiz when
it came to like processing information and like being able

(01:02:39):
to see things. I mean he had motherfucker like he
could run the ball he was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
People think he was like like he was like a
two meter champion and shit, he's like a track star.
Yeah what he was fast as balls and he was
like he was short, but he wasn't small. He was
a thick little motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yeah, and just like so shifty, like could stop on
dimond like then his acceleration to like get back going.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Was I was asking anyone who played Woody, do you
remember what he would be in his locker and he'd
come over and he'd give you that like do your
calves feel like they're running in quicksand with little mosquitos
biting them?

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Like he would go the craziest like is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Your are your glues holding on by little strings that
would snap a baby's head off? And then you have
his best practice, you go practice his nuts off, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
That was Woody. Yeah, No, we had some characters in there. Man.
When I when I first got in that running back room,
it was Woody Shane. Uh fucking uh red, Oh my god. Yeah, man,
we had we had some times. And then but then
going to the tight end room my first year going

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with tight Ends, George Gatzi was tight end coach.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
We had an absolute like revolving door at that at
that like fourth tight end spot. I mean it was
like start out, Kronko obviously always the mainstay. Who man
was the may stay like as the two or three guy, right,
and then like that other guy was like Aaron. Then

(01:04:14):
that whole shit happened, and then it was Visanti Shanko,
and then it was Kellen Winslow Junior, and then it
was who else did we have? Matt Mulligan, We did.
You played with us for a little while. Malli dude
Mally like kind of lit the fire under me to
be like a weight room. He's a meathead. Oh yeah,

(01:04:35):
Like he used to challenge me. Remember we used to
deadlift like set like seven hundred pounds. And I had
never been a deadlifter, like being like a longer torso guy,
Like body mechanics just doesn't really like make for a
good deadlifter for me. But I started like chalking up
and fucking pulling weight and I swear that posterior chain

(01:04:56):
like that twenty thirteen fourteen era of me. I felt
like invincible running through guys, like just that amount of
like strength you have in your glutes, your lower back,
like you know, just I'm I was like very ready
to take on make and make contact crime right there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Those errors, Yeah, that's when I felt like I was
twenty twenty seven. Twenty eight was like my athletic peak.
And after that you're not You're not going up anymore,
but you're getting smarter, and yeah you're declining, you know
what I mean. But twenty eight fucking I felt like
I was flying to Yeah, it's probably you were twenty six,
twenty seven, twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Eight, Yeah, summer for years. Yeah, I was like twenty
six in sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Now, how was Bill with the fullback? So what's your
best Bill story? Do you ever give you anything good?

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
I mean not really no, And I was he loved
jim Yeah, he loved Jimmy and I. But I was
also like kind of just like like when it came
to Bill, I I was, I guess I could say
like intimidated everyone. I was. So I just like wanted
to I never wanted to say the wrong thing. So
I would like say just as little as possible, you know,

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and just be like okay, yep, okay, got it. And
he never really like went out of his way to
coach me up real hard, because I always got it
from either like tight end coach or or Josh or Scar.
Scar was never like shy about like correcting me. But
I do remember like Scar giving me love when I

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was first kind of trying to get my foot in
the doors being like the fullback for the Patriots. Like
I remember him like, hey, man, like you're you're going
to be like a heartbeat to this run game, Like
if you can, if you can keep this going, like
you'll have a spot here and like that those kind
of like little personal touches. Yeah, in that building, man,

(01:06:50):
Like that shit goes a long way. Yeah, because you
always feel like you got eyes on you and then
when someone like props you up a little bit, you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Know, especially from Scar. Yeah, what's the wildest thing you
ever heard?

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Scars? Oh? Man, there's a lot, I mean, just his
little like one one liners like I don't I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
I wasn't in the line meetings.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Yeah, I wasn't in meetings either, but like run game
meeting you'd hear some ship. I don't have a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Particular same same cars, different license places.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
One thing that I use often is when I talk
about like ball from even when we were playing, right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
You always say inertia.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Well that's when that's when men were men and women
were damn proud of it or something like that. I
always use that, like bat that was when men were
men and women were proud of it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
He would get into like some science too, all right,
he would We got six hundred pounds here, you had
got three d and forty pounds here, Jim, you're another
three two fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
You guys just rided it. That's called inertia. Yeah you
remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Yeah, you'd always say inertia. Yeah, what's the one coaching
point out of any of the coaches you've never forgotten.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
My first running back coach in Cincinnati was big on
hitting through not too so like when you get to
the guy and you make contact, like you're not like
your job's not done then, like you got to run
your feet and like run through him. So don't pitter
powder before you make that contact and like you know,

(01:08:26):
like you just gotta fucking go and act as if
he's like a yard behind him and just continue fucking
running because the worst thing you can do is hesitate
and and fuck the whole flow of the playoff, Right,
So like you just gotta you just gotta like to
go through.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
That lily unconditioning. Hey, I'll stop on the fucking line. Yeah,
you run through the lad damn line.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Yeah, it's it's kind of like that might like the
man that loves walking will walk further than the man
that loves the destination. Like I love that ship with
the process, and it's all about the process, even even
in like this little microcosm of like blocking, Like you
gotta love that that more than you want to make
this block. Like you just got to go through your

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progression of it and love that and then you'll be
a good blocker. I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Before we move on to the lead up, as we
mentioned earlier, Jewels wasn't really around this season. I think
fun stories from this team that you that you can
tell Jewels that happened this year.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
To Air Force, didn't you guys for the Mexico game? Yeah, man,
we we did do the whole Denver to Colorado Springs visit.
That was cool. We get to like tour the Olympic
village there or whatever they call it. I think it's
the Olympic Village. Having having debot James Harrison on the

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team was an experience. We talked about that. Yeah, so
I remember the first time I saw them as a Patriot,
Like we had played against him and the Steelers several times,
and I still remember to play. We were running like
twenty five flash and I had to like go and
kind of like kick him out on the backside, but

(01:10:14):
I cut him just to a throw at him, just
give him something a little different. And the first thing
he said when we were like walking out the practice
one day, I like went and introduced myself and he's like,
you the motherfucker to cut me. I was like, yeah, man,
I mean you're fucking James Harrison, Like, you know, I
just didn't feel like taking you on up top that day.

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And he's like, man. But then we like learned to
work together and you know, did a whole thing. But
that that dude, he was a man. He was a
man amongst men all there. I mean, he was an
early early morning workout guy. I would always get it
in the in the middle of the day and I
still kind of like that like, if need be, I'll

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do cardio in the morning, but I need my body,
Like wait a little bit, but yeah, he's he's put
on some absolute exit exhibitions in the weight room.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Yeah, jump into the game, Jackie. Let's get into the
quick lead up here. We touched on a lot of
this earlier.

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
Both teams came in as the number one seed, yet
Philly took on this underdog mentality wearing the dog masks.
They were underdogs from the betting perspective in the Atlanta
game and they ran with that, put that chip on
their shoulder. The Pats, meanwhile, won eleven of their last twelve,
hot overcoming the big injuries down to High Tower. Just
to recap that one ended up on IRA after week

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seven toward the peck banged up a little bit with
a knee after week too, missed a couple of games.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
So that was huge.

Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
Jewels out obviously, but came in We beat Tennessee, blew
him out in the division round. Then't that memorable championship
game against the Jags. Blake Bortles and the guys came
into Foxborough playoff Dolaoff Dola Gilly with the Yeah, man,
what a game that was. And then meanwhile over in
the NFC, Philly took down Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Fifteen phantom call this year that year that was the.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Next one, and then smoked Minnesota in the championship round.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
So this was Minnesota's miracle in Minnapolis. No, it was
the week before.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Yeah, he was the divisional round where they beat Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Yeah, yeah this year yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
Insert the tag right here so we can send viewers
to that episode whatever it's called.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Clip.

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
And this was we mentioned a little bit earlier a
Super Bowl thirty nine rematch down in Jacksonville. Remember that one.
Rodney Harrison and the Boys New England won that one.
Remember where I was watching that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Tell him my uh my best friend Sewan's basement. He
had the whole neighborhood over and watching that game. I
was a big Eagles fan at the time. I remember
like just fucking despising the Patriots and like Tom and like,
oh Tom, such a such a little cry baby. That
that kind of salt. All right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
How did talk like going into meeting Tom for the
first time, like thinking like that after being a Philly
guy hating him? Yeah, what was your thought after meeting him? Like?

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Yeah? Change? I mean, and I tell I tell this
a lot because people often ask me like, oh, what's
Tom like? Because I'll like when people are jealous and
people see that kind of greatness. I think a lot
of times, like you know, you just pick on anything,
And every once in a while they'd show Tom yelling
at his receivers, like you know, yelling at fucking Billy

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l on a sideline, and so like all of a sudden,
like now you're seeing this out of context, and it's like, oh, well,
he's like a fucking he's like a cray baby, right,
So I would just I just was like, yeah, that's
what I'll talk about too, right. And so then going
to school up in the New England area and then
witnessing all the greatness my whole four years at Brown,

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and just the jealousy that I that I got for
not only the Pats, but also like the Bruins. At
that time, the Celtics were winning, the Socks won a Cup.
It was like every year a different, a different Boston
team was winning something, and so I just got more
and more disdain towards that ship. And then lo and behold,

(01:14:10):
two years later, I'm I'm up in Foxborough and it's
like man. Then I meet the guy, and just like
everyone else that tells his story, it's like he comes
up and approaches you as if you were like like
as if he is like anybody else, right, And so
I always appreciated that, like his his personability to just

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kind of be one of the guys and be like, hey,
nice to meet you. I'm Tom Brady. We're happy to
have you here. You know. It's like he doesn't need
to say that shit, but he does. And so yeah,
I just I think it kind of humanizes him in
a very very nice way. Yeah, he's a human.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
I guess he's hum Yeah, playing fucking Minneapolis. How is
this as a host town for when you guys went
out there in practice?

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
I mean, I don't think. I don't think they'll do
it again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
It was it was tough, man. When we were in
that mall, Like I didn't do anything but stay in
that mall because our hotel was connected to it. Then
the Eagles were also in the mall, but like on
the other side, and so that's all I even saw.
And then I went out one time because my oldest
his birthday's February fifth, So whenever we would go to

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Super Bowls. I'd always like make it a point to
have whatever family came in, we'd have a birthday party
for him. And so I went out to get a
cake one time for my son's birthday. And then we
had like the party in that fucking mall again and everything,
Like if not for that mall, I don't think they
could have done that shit. But then I mean, and

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then the postgame party was like was people that were
at the game, like not us, and we took the bus,
but like everybody else, they had to walk outside. And
so I remember my my wife's cousin got a beer
like knocked over on him at the game, and so
his jacket was by the time he got to the
after party, it's fucking frozen, solid freezing. Yeah, there's a

(01:16:05):
negative seventeen or something. Yeah, something like that. And so yeah,
I mean, like we didn't even really witness what Minnesota
was because we were just inside the whole time. It
was And I like, there's like warm weather when you
can get outside a little bit in February. Yeah, I
appreciate that. So I don't think they'll be going back
up there anytime. So let me trace back real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
I'm talking about those early two thousand Eagle teams and
playing the Patriots during that time frame, there was kind
of a rivalry with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Huh, what
were your thoughts with about my Mike Alstatt in that
time frame?

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Oh? Man, oh my god, when I missed him on
the fucking the mount rushmore a full back? Can you
count him as a full back? Oh that's a great question, man,
because like he was much more of a running back
he was. Yeah, he looked like a fullback, but he
still let lead blocked every once in a while. But
when you also have Lorenzo O'Neil on that team, it's like, well,

(01:16:59):
clearly the full back because someone's a Neil, But Mike alstop. Man,
that motherfucker dude. Like putting the two of m in
the backfield is that was fun? That I So every
every game of my career, I watched two highlight tapes
before every game, and when I was in college, I
watched Ray Lewis and Brian Dawkins where there's a particular

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Brian Dawkins video called Weapon X where there's a little
bit of like editing, and remember he comes out of
the smoke at the link and they make his eyes
red and I'm like, oh, it's me going right. So
then I would. But then when I got to the
NFL started playing fullback, I'll still watch weapon X. Then
I'd also watch the A Train highlights and like when

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he's running through like the I think he had a
crazy run against the Vikings or some shit all on
the goal line where he's kind of bouncing around and
then like I've seen that, and then like my first
touchdown against the Texans in twenty thirteen, where I like
got a bounce around all the way to the left stick,
Like it's very similar, and I'm like, ah, man, But

(01:18:04):
Mike Alstart's a fucking man, dude. He and I got
a chance to meet him, got a chance to like
share a couple of texts with that guy. And that's
like a cherished connection I have because that he is
like when everyone talks about fullbacks, it's like Michael, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
That's so every fullback's dream is to be yeah, yeah, yeah,
get the carries, get he blows up, he gets a
lead blocker sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
God yeah, I mean the way he'd get his pads
so goddamn low. He'd be running, but then his pads
are like like eighteen inches off the ground, Like, yeah,
there's one particular clip like I'll never I think he
was against the Falcons and he just his like head
is damn near touching the ground and he bucks like

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the safety and then like you know, recovers and runs
it in for the rest of it. Like, yeah, he
was just a crazy athlete, man, and just tough as
nails and playing in that era of football when men
were men, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:07):
And women drag a jeep for a workout.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Yeah yeah, Yeah, let's get into this game. Did you
ever did you ever block Dawkins or Ara Lewis?

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Never, No, got knocked up. Yeah, I've been in the
building though when like when I was in Cincy, we
played them obviously twice a year. So watching him come
out in Baltimore, like that was a whole that was
a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Was gonna be doing war dances, yeah ship.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Yeah. The Sugs was too good too, man like that sizzle. Yeah,
they had they had a crew just wrecked. We didn't
talk about read. Yeah, we used to play them twice
a year. Yeah, all right, let's get into this thing.

Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
As painful as this might be for me, Uh we
start this thing off. It's gonna be an offensive day.
Philly gets going with a fourteen play, seven plus minute
drive ends in three. We respond with three. Philly gets
on the board first with the touchdown. A big LG
run sets up on alshon Jeffrey TV. These are chunk plays, Babe,
we got a we got a thirty something yard LG run.

(01:20:11):
We had a thirty something yard alshon Jeffrey touchdown. Chunk
plays takes us not in LG's running wild, takes us
to the start of the second quarter. Bad operation Steve
o missfield goal not good. Then that takes us to
the next second drive of.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
The second quarter.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
Two notable moments here Brandon Cooks knocked out bad bad
and then to pass back to Tom Dola, pass back
to Tom off the fingertips that drive ins in the
three n A four and now we go for it
on fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Don't pick it up? That great now?

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
To you guys as players, when like Josh is dialing
up these like gadget plays, does that make you feel
a certain way, like, oh, he feels like we need
to do this to move the ball. Is it like
sort of pride or anything like when a gadget players
are getting called like this in a game, I know
what I think, Yeah, legit means for first I mean
I would say like I was never really involved with

(01:21:07):
it when I was in the field, Like it was
pretty much fucking basic plays, right, So, but I do
feel like the excitement got ramped up, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Like butthole gets a little bit tighter because it's like
we only got one shot at this, Like we can
we can run on every other play multiple times, but
it's like, you know, this is like a once in
a season type of opportunity. We've run it a couple
times of practice, like it's worked, but let's see how
this unfolds. And yeah, I mean, if you hit it,

(01:21:37):
it's fucking great. But if you don't, then it's on
this list.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
I think, especially early on in a game like this too.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
I feel like, yeah, but I think that these types
of games, especially the Super Bowl, you're emptying. You're emptying
the clip. Yeah, so whenever you've had in all year long,
that play could have been installed week three. Yeah, you know,
just you know, like the double pass was installed week one,
we had it called week three. We never ran it

(01:22:05):
the way until we went to Baltimore. We needed it.
When you go to these types of games, they're unloading
the clip. There's anything you have in the playbook that
you haven't used that may be a new wrinkle that
they've never seen, you're probably gonna use.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
So it's almost telling that you can throw those kind
of plays in.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
A Super Bowl that you didn't need it all year,
that you were never in like such a situation.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Where we had to call those Okay, cool, that's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
No, I like that, And I mean I think Jeles
made the throw.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Those actually got good arms. He's got good arms. It
looked good. It looked good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
But uh, then that leads.

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
Us to our next big moment of the half, which
is the Philly Special.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
The situation, Philly's up.

Speaker 5 (01:22:46):
Fifteen to twelve at this point A James White TV
has cut it to a three point game, thirty eight
seconds left in the half, fourth and goal from the one.
Philly lines up, calls a timeout after getting out there,
seeing what the look looks like, and then you get
Corey Clement direct snap Burton Burton to Foles twenty two
to twelve going into the half.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
No thoughts on the Philly Special, It's just it's one
of those plays that I've never been able to get
away from, man, like going back home and the amount
of fucking HOGI shops that have a HOGI called the
Philly Special, Oh my god, always reminded of it. Man, Like,
you know, we got t shirts with the whole play
on the back and with all this, Like it's just

(01:23:29):
one of those fucking things. Man, It's like the thorn
that you can never get out of your side. And uh,
I mean, hey tip the cap to like them having
the balls in that moment to do it. And you know,
now you see that Foles kind of like called it
himself and like that's you know, you have to pay
your respects, but fucking name, man, Like if not for that, like,

(01:23:50):
what what could have happened?

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Did that play? And going into half steel momentum? You
think that may have I think accepted. I think rest
of the outcome.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
I think so, I mean we all know that, like
it's a game of two halves, right, you know, it's
really like playing two games. And so that momentum, while
it was created in that moment, I don't know how
we came like if it affected us what coming back
in the second half. I mean, obviously we we strike
first and we score a touchdown right out right out

(01:24:20):
of the second half kickoffs. So but it was tough,
man that like that second quarter kind of did us
in man, and like they're just the circumstantial nature of
the game of football, Like how how does that? It's
just it's not a it's not a good feeling going into.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Half with that did what was the what was the
halftime speech?

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
I don't think it's a pretty standard you were so standard,
like all right, five minutes to yourselves, coaches go do
their thing, Yeah, three minutes, six minutes or whatever, five
more minutes together O D. And then you come in
as a team. You get like one minute and then
you're back. Yeah, but it's a little longer than halftime.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Yeah, I was just gonna say the there was there
was definitely like a difference in this game. I felt
like of like obviously the excitement of this playing in
the Super Bowl is like pretty fucking intense. Like I
remember the first one I played in and against Seattle,
Like when you go out the warm ups, you can

(01:25:25):
just feel that like electricity in you, but you gotta
like tamper it because if you know it's not a sprint,
but at this time, at this time, and like my
experience in this game was like this was the third
one I played in, so like that kind of started
the wane and it was almost like, oh, it's it's
expected for us to be here. But these guys I

(01:25:45):
felt like they were fucking capitalizing on that energy. Like
I'll never forget first quarter, our first drive that ended
in a field goal. We got we got going like
pretty good and we were in three wide. It was
me and James White on the field and we go like,
hurry up after like a I think we had like
a nine yard catch. I forget who caught it, but

(01:26:08):
a nine yard and we got into the red zone
second in one and we go like, no huddle, We'll
go glass right. So it was in a way block
Nigel Bradham, who I'd blocked in Buffalo for years, like
good quality player, but I was like, I can make
this block right. That motherfucker off the snap was like
it was like he was moving at a different speed

(01:26:29):
and he my job on that play is to either
like cut him off seiling to the backside or push
him past. Well, he like beat me across my face
and tackled James right behind me for no gain, and
it was second and one, and then with third and
one and we didn't convert. We ended up kicking the
field goal. And I think about that play so often
because it's like, had I made that block, had we

(01:26:51):
got that first down? Do we score go up seven
to three? And how does that change the dynamic of that?
And then and then you want to fucking butterfly effect it,
and it's like, do we win this game? Does does
Jason Kelcey? Does the Philly Special never happen?

Speaker 6 (01:27:08):
Do?

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
I don't have to go home and fucking order sandwiches
with turkey and projuto on it. That's called the Philly
Special at my favorite HOGI shop. Erniston songs down to
Brigantine or like? Or like? Does Kelsey not do the
Mummers speech? Does Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey? Then it
gets together if I make this a whole different universe.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
No, that isn't that the mind? Isn't that the worst
thing about being an like mentality mentality wise as being
an athlete. I think of the plays I didn't make more, yeah,
I think of the plays I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Made, Oh absolutely, because yeah, that's the ship that like
just sticks with chick free.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Are we greedy?

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
I mean, I don't know, but it's the mentality that
you need to have to become a three time super
Bowl champion. Right. If you're falling in love with the outcome,
you'll never get there, you know, right, Yeah, that's right.
You gotta love the process, man, And we loved the
process of like trying to continuously get better. And this
game was such a low point in my career, like

(01:28:08):
because I was so lucky I came in when I
started playing. We got to the Super Bowl, we wont
it miraculously on Malcolm's catch or interception, I mean, and
then we go back we like pull the fucking twenty
eight to three out of our ass. And then it's
just like I never knew like what the feeling was
to lose one of these and then to finally have

(01:28:30):
it happen to my hometown team going home in the
offseason and just witness it, like couldn't get away from
the parade. I went home on that Tuesday, and the
parade's on Thursday, and now all of a sudden, like
I can't get away from it. I can't fucking shake it.
Every every block corner had like a different you know,

(01:28:50):
merch sir Bowl fifty two chant merch shit, and I
just couldn't get away from I still can't now that
they wont l I X Like the fifty two is
like a little bit deafened.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
So that's not I but uh yeah, there's also all
that like news stories afterwards about like, oh, we can
win super Bowls.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
And be fun and have the time. It was like
so like pointed at you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Yeah, yeah, I came in remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Well, I'm going to ask on the board is fun? Yeah?
We stayed there for like two years.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Yeah, there's all the bitching about, oh you got Chris
long Over.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Oh yeah, so much fun.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
But you can't sustain you can't sustain that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:33):
They had two touchdowns in this game, that we're fucking bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Let's get into that. Yeah, I've always saw that Corey Clement. Yes,
the back of the end lodges.

Speaker 5 (01:29:43):
Yeah, it's on the form, but it moves to the risk.
Didn't just just move like it's moving. It's being bobbled
in its foots out of hounds.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
And then and then the ERTs play. So you want
we beat Pittsburgh like a year later on the same
exactly ship. Yes, but you know, like see James right
and get the inconsistently, but it bounces up and it's like,
I mean, I guess it's like we caught it right,
so this momentum and then to be fair for our
non Patriots fans, like you can make that talk about

(01:30:12):
Butterfly that you can make the same play our conversation
about the Jacksonville.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Afybe there's some stuff here and you get some, you
lose some.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
So like even just the Snowbowl games, yes, right, you
know if Tom doesn't get the just all butterfly hat.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
Are we even here? We're not even here. We're not
here a.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Little hovey shop in fucking Philly. I'm over at my
dad's mechanics shop, washing windows.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
You can be with three in one game? Like what
are we doing, Philly special?

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
Illegal formation? Throw the flag?

Speaker 5 (01:30:42):
I'm going on, I'm just gonna cook here. What legacy game?
Legacy game? This guy comes out of nowhere, out of bounds?
Also er not a football move in complete pass? Three
in one game?

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
Come on, man, And I don't want to be sour great.
I'm sorry, I know, but I like, you know, because
I got to go back to Phillip Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Like I know, all my family go to see this
and they're like, what are you talking so much shit?
But it's a I mean, you got a tip the cap.
Like they the underdog mentality. They just had a different

(01:31:15):
a different fucking speed. I felt like we were it
was kind of becoming old hat for us, and like
the just the amount of intensity that they had and
they were playing like they're just being aggressive and then
like in the end of the game, Man like to
seal it defensively with Graham coming off off the edge
and like getting getting Tom for forcing that fumble. Man

(01:31:38):
Like they just they had that like that like underdog
mentality where they're just gonna leave it all in the field.
And we kind of were like we were there a
bunch of times and it was becoming like a little
bit less intense for us. So what did you know
it was gonna be a shootout? I didn't know it.
I just I kept thinking watching the Eagles go through

(01:31:59):
the the Super Bowl, like this Nick Foles magic has
to eventually wear off, right, Like he's not he wasn't
a starting quarterback at that time, and it was just
like like you see you see backups like they'll have
their runs and then all of a sudden it's like, oh,
you get reminded why he's not a starter. But Foles,
man like, he just took advantage of every opportunity and

(01:32:22):
even in this game, like you kind of were always
expecting like Tomil tom Will at the upper hand and
but combined like Foles and just his consistency in that
run with the intensity of the defense, it was it
was a respectful game.

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
So you think that, like usually the conversations with Super
Bowls is like teams who have been there before, like
you know, the lights aren't as bright and they's it's
a you know, a value to have experience it. But
you think you guys were watch three Super Bowls in
four years and they were had that jewice that actually
affected the outcome of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
I mean it seemed it man like, it just felt
like their defense was fucking like and on another level,
man like, it it was. Uh it was it was
something I mean like Cook's getting knocked out, like I remember, Uh,
Malcolm was covering me on that play. It was hasty juke.
I ran the hitch on the outside and Malcolm came

(01:33:15):
off to hit the juke and it just oh man,
like that that knocks the way in that ear. What's
your mulligan play there? It is the block, Okay, it's
I mean, there was nothing I could do on Cooks
getting knocked out, Like I followed Jenkins to the play
and like, but at that point he was already down.

Speaker 5 (01:33:37):
Yeah, And like you said, I mean that defense was
made the big play at the biggest moment when couldn't
really get pressure on Brady all day. And then on
that last drive the strip sack which sets up the
field goal, which pushes it to forty one thirty three,
and then we come back and have a chance at
the end with that Hail Mary to Robbie G at
the end.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
That was close this game. It does.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
He almost had two Hail Mary's Super Bowls. Yes, Giants
wof he didn't have the Giant if he didn't have
his sprained ankle in that Giants one.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Butterfly fuc Yeah, he would have caught that. I am one.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Thousand percent sure rob would have caught that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
And we got to give our flowers to Robbi g
for this second half. He put on here one catch
in the first half.

Speaker 5 (01:34:16):
Second half two touchdowns, one hundred and six into the
game with nine catches one hundred and sixteen yards, two
tuddies first half, one catch for nine yards.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
So I mean Robbie glad.

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
Man, Holy smokes, he putting up junior rice numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
And Tom had five hundred yards five yards.

Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
I mean, just incredible. Over a eleven hundred total yards
offense in this game. Speaking of crazy offensive performances, no
one can stop anything on defense. It's worth noting Malcolm
Butler did not play in this game. Not going to
any sort of conspiracy theories.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
But we don't have to get into it, but it
needs to be said. He said he didn't play, not playing,
and I were We wasn't there, so I don't I
just you hang out, got in the booth. I mean,
I remember the realization that he wasn't on the field,
like and asking around like, hey, why is Malcolm not playing?
No one, no one knew. And then we had the

(01:35:12):
Super Bowl forty nine reunion was the last year and
he was in house and I had like a moment
with him or it was just me and him. I
was like, no, just tell me, Like I won't say anything,
but like, tell me why you didn't play, And he's like, dude,
I don't know, Like I wish I could tell you,
but I don't know. And yeah, I mean no one

(01:35:36):
finally knows. Crazier is he just deny until he dies?
Maybe left to buy the book.

Speaker 5 (01:35:43):
To buy the book, see the movie, See the movie, man,
I just got to say. Final score forty one thirty three.
The Eagles win their first Super Bowl or it was
their first title since.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
The night.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
There for that one about three in a row? How
much did how much did this game lead into the
next season? I think a lot. Yeah, personally, I took
this one. I took this one like and wore it
for a while and let it like stew and fucking
motivate me. And I came back and I think I
was playing some of the best football that next year.

(01:36:22):
And then we went back and won it. Man, And
like the Eagles kind of they weren't able to like
pick themselves up after this one, and so I I
kind of hang my hat on that when I go
back around and people start talking about the Super Bowl
fifty two and like like, yeah, well what happened the
next year? You know? But that's all I got, because
they got us in this one. So you got to

(01:36:43):
pay your respect where respect is due. But and this
is their first super Bowl win. Yeah, that's pretty big.

Speaker 5 (01:36:49):
It is the last one was nineteen sixty the NFL
Championship games. They took down another legendary quarterback, head coach
duo Bart Starr and Vince Lombardi.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
See no, that was.

Speaker 5 (01:37:02):
For Super Bowl its correct, yea after man, and this
was forty one to thirty three. As we mentioned the aftermath,
offensive performance like we've never seen before.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
Philly wins our first super Bowl in franchise history.

Speaker 5 (01:37:18):
Nick Foles goes from backup to Super Bowl MVP insane,
a recordat who's got a statue man, unbelievable and fifty
one yards of offense most in any NFL game ever
the Super Bowl, and then the Patriots set the record
for most yards in a Super Bowl six hundred and thirteen,

(01:37:40):
most points scored by a losing team thirty three.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
We talked about Dola.

Speaker 5 (01:37:45):
In this amazing game he had this this super Bowl,
awesome AFC Championship game. He would leave to go to
Miami in the offseason, get that check, Dola, and then
the Patriots would come back next year wipe that sour
taste out of their mouth and beat the Rams thirteen
to three.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
Super Bowl fifty three.

Speaker 5 (01:38:01):
Flash forward to twenty twenty four, Philly would get their
second Super Bowl, beating the Chiefs forty to twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
In cleaning house too, new coach, new quarterbacks. I mean
they know more impressively. Yeah yeah, and that's then they're yeah,
that's been a little bit of solid. Yeah, going back
there now and like living in Philly, yeah, is that
like there's no more signs of that team anymore? Because
I got Super Salty. I was like, fuck these Yeah,
it's like got it. I don't like any of them.

(01:38:30):
And now they got a whole new team and it's
like now I can roof for you guys, like thank you.
It's Barkley sick Penn State, Like yeah, yeah yeah, and
they got like they got guys that are it's fun
to root for them now, you know, And like my boys,
they they're fucking wearing Jalen Hurts and Sikwon Barkley AJ
Brown jerseys and shit, and I'm like, hey, you know,
have fun, have fun because this is a good Like

(01:38:52):
if you're going to be a football guy growing up,
like you want to have fandom where it's like your
team's out there winning games. So you know what, if
it was the Path, so be it. If it's the Eagles,
so be it. Like it's football, man, I still like
to see so Like I'm a Niners fan, I like
to see nine Ers do absolutely great a bowl. Yeah,
it's funny. AG.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
I don't think you gotta be the same way though, Like, yeah,
once you get here, your fandom you kind of lose that. Yeah,
But then once you retire, you kind of gravitate because
you're in the group text with all your fucking friends
back home. So then you're like, all right, but I'm
not gonna sit here and go buy a fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Jersey exactly, wear a hat, yeah, or a Niners hat.
You can't wear another man's jersey. Yeah. Yeah. Once you're there, now,
let's creat this game. Let's let's put it on. Can
I get one last one in?

Speaker 5 (01:39:39):
For guess I'd be remiss a man that knows how
to block his ass off.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
What's your thoughts on the toush push? Oh man, that's
that's the hot button topic now. I mean, I just
think right now, the Eagles are so fucking good at
running in it, and there's a lot of like sour grapes,
talk about sar grapes, just people that can't stop it.
Like the rules. Yes, it's a tough it's a tough

(01:40:03):
play to officiate, but like I mean, you got the
chance to officiate it, like I mean, fucking then do it. Yeah,
starts call them like you got to do businesses. Business
is being done, and so like you either stop it
while it's still illegal play or you don't and you
get beat on it. But like let's fucking move it

(01:40:25):
down the road. Like let's stop talking about it. If
you want to make decisions after this season. I didn't
have it. It's in this year. Learn how to stop it.
We'll be right back after this quick break.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
Let's name the game. It's called the Philly Special. Phillies
first defense, defense optional, somebody get a stop or something else.
What do you think of it?

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
As, oh, man, I mean like the Philly Special. Obviously
that's the moniker that you always hear about that one
particular play. But like I think, like the city the
city of Philadelphia is the city of brother they love, right,
and like at that point, it was like it was
like a little brother beaten, like the big Brother where

(01:41:11):
it's like you still kind of got to tip your
cap tome, but like if you fucking it hurts you,
it's a thorn in your side, Like you want your
little brother beating you, you know, So like something along
those lines where it's like, I don't know, like little
brother beat everybody. I mean, not to like veto or
step in. It's got to be the Philly Special. Like
that's what it's like called. Like, yeah, if you say
the Philly Special, anyone's special, you're right, Yeah, You're right,

(01:41:34):
the Philly I was trying to get. I was trying
to get cute Jews loves a pun around.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Yeah, but score the game is just the greatest game
of all time. Let's score its decimals. Encourage Jimmy Steaks
zero to ten.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
I mean it's the super Bowl, It's it's the big one, right,
so Steaks, let's go. Let's go nine point zero. I
think it's like a nine to three game.

Speaker 4 (01:42:01):
Because you got back to backs on the back for
the other.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
Yeah. I went nine to one. I went nine to two.
Star power, I mean between between like our two teams.
Obviously like Wentz going down, but they had a lot
of they had a lot of star power, especially now
like as guys transition into like their post playing career.

(01:42:27):
I mean, obviously you weren't there, but we still had
let's go, let's go eight six. That's a great score.
I mean Brady like Nick Fole, I.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Mean, and look at what he's done now, Nick Folk.
Is that like, yes, you got some Hall of Fame lineman. Yeah,
you got Kelsey's probably Lane Johnson. Lane Johnson's gonna go
in there. Yeah they had, I mean, I'm sure like
gonna go Phillie. Celebrities were probably eight point two point two.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
That's a little low over.

Speaker 5 (01:43:01):
The nine to zero four.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
I wasn't in it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
I wasn't game play the game this. I mean, this
is a fucking game to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
Yeah. I remember in the at the the postgame party
saying like, hey, I know we lost this, but this
was a good game for the game of football. Like,
what a fucking entertaining game to watch, right, So I'm
gonna give that like a like a nine to four,
nine to five. Actually, it doesn't get much better, man,
I'll give it a nine flat. I mean, no defense nine.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
I will say the strip sack happened a little too early.
And the you know, like that was like on the
twenty yard lines.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
Yeah yeah, on the seven nine, I went a point
nine hour grapes our grapes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
Some of the controversial calls I think takes away a
little bit the name of the game. Cultural reverence. I
mean this is for everyone. Reverance. No, I can't say relevant,
irrelevant relevance. Not a brown guy, Yeah, we're hey Kent State. Man,
didn't you there? No, I dated a girl from Kent State. Yeah.

(01:44:06):
Men aand spring Break spent some some time out in
like Northeast Ohio. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
Man, welcome, get you a Rockneys go to Rockney's now.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
We went up to uh, what's that? What's that amusement
park up on the later Yeah, and then put In Bay.
I particularly remember that where they don't have cars or
some ship. You gotta like drive golf carts everywhere. We
went up to put In Bay, like either before or
after Cedar Point or Cedar Point was Yeah, name of
the game. Got a statue for it, Yeah, I got

(01:44:40):
a statue. I mean it's as much as it pains me,
I'm gonna give it eight five.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
I mean it's more like an eight nine. People know
this people. And I know it's only fucking nine years ago,
eight years ago. These people know this game.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
They know it. Yeah, I think you little, I think
he's your soul.

Speaker 5 (01:45:01):
At a touch, James said, this is a field day
for every every jack. This is I had a nine
point zero.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
At a nine point three, so total it is an
eight point eighty six.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
That is our new twelfth game. Twelfth overall.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
See just behind up sorry, just behind Choke at the
Doke and just ahead of superow eighteen Raiders versus Redskins
our new twelfth game.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
Tom Brady twelfth. It's a loss.

Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
And also if you're like a choking the dough is
tied with the two thousand and four ali Alcs game
four Yankees Red Sox.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
This is our highest Patriots loss, I believe. Yeah, wow, wow.

Speaker 4 (01:45:45):
I mean it should be because yeah, honestly it should
be a touch higher to it could be even higher.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
I hate this game, yeah yeah, I mean for the
relevance of football. This is because Philadelphia is a cornerstone team.
They're like one of the original team. Yeah, you've been
there since the forties or something, right, Yeah, I don't
know exactly before sixty Yeah, before the Patriots Grease, Jimmy,

(01:46:10):
we missed anything from this game?

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
No, man, I think we got it. I think it's
it's time to go to put it to bed. That
ax is around like they can cheer about that. Man,
it's uh, you know, but I don't think we missed anything.
You don't have one last question? Sure? What does football
mean to you? Oh? Man? Football's Football's given me a

(01:46:33):
lot in my life. Man, I am very very thankful
and just appreciative for the game. It's putting me in
the room with a lot of special individuals, yourself included,
just kind of like being able to sponge up and
learn not only how to be a better football player,
but how to be a better man, how to take

(01:46:54):
accountability for things, you know, and just the accountabil it
that it requires, man like when you're fucking sore and
tired and you still got to fucking put the pads
on and go back out there for a too a
day Like when we first started. Man Like, that was
like the that was the era of football that that
I just will always cherish and the fact that we

(01:47:16):
got to experience that. I feel like it's just we
were the last of like that old guard where we
you know, like my first year in the UFL, we
were doing to a days down in Orlando, and I
remember sweating through fucking everything I had twice a day,
and it's like, man, like how much do I love
the game of football? Well, I'm willing to do it
for damn near free at that point, because I wasn't
getting paid for training camp and I'm out there like

(01:47:39):
just slamming my face in the people, trying to make
a name for myself, like who knows where this is
gonna go? And then thankfully football line shit up where
I was in the right spot at the right time
and circumstantial nature at a game of football, and like
the Patriots were looking for a fullback they Josh previously
had had one in his in his offenses, and I

(01:48:01):
was available at the right time, man, And so like god,
fuck it, I love the game of football, man, like
I I really one of my thought was my first
retire was I wanted to write a book and just
call it like thank you football, and just and they
collect the stories like I mean, this guy in the
game of football myself, There's there's thousands of other stories

(01:48:23):
just like us where it's like that underdog, you know,
like the Rocky story. I grew up in Philly. I
fucking Rocky Rocky is my favorite. I named my daughter Adrian, right,
And it's like and I just like that underdog. That's
what football's all about. And I feel like Philly had
it in that game, which was unfortunate. I kind of
stole that from us. But then we went back the

(01:48:43):
next week year we were like the underdogs again, you know,
and we were the old team. We were the team
that still didn't have but tom see, old Joles was
fucking coming off of injury and all that. Like it was,
but we that that we did it. That humanization of
the game of football that I think oftentimes gets missed,
that is like the beautiful thing about it, man. And

(01:49:05):
I think we gotta, like, we gotta we gotta feel
that like that you said like that. I think he's
a receiver quarterback and in Chicago that just got emotional
when he's talking about how he got his contract and
he's like about his dad or something like that type
of like love. I mean, I fucking like loved you guys.

(01:49:28):
That my team loves you too. I told I told
before every game. I told the whole offense and damn
near pretty much the entire team that I love them,
like from face to face, Manda Man, I just to
say like, yo, I love you, and then we go
out and do our thing, man, because like that's what
it requires is love for the game, love of your teammates. Yeah.
So I love the game of football. Man. It's it's

(01:49:50):
a real football guy.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
Moved to pick this game too, Like that is you're
so emotionally charged then you pick it's a loss, but
you know what, it's a character move to pick this game. So,
and I got one question for my fullback in high school,
John the Cask, who grew up loved you. What goes
into your like fullback accoutremont selection, like the bull.

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
Ring, the cowboy call, Like, what's what's the thought process
behind it? Simple? I kept bending the top of my
face mask on contact, and I have a collection of
bent face masks. I still kept him. Mikey Redman in
the equipment room used to always save it for me
and put in my locker afterwards. So the bull ring
just kind of helped stabilize that part, even though I

(01:50:30):
would continue to bend them in every once in a while.
And then the cowboy collar slash brace that I wore.
Like a lot of people have like different perspectives on
what to wear. I had like a stinger issue when
I was in the UFL actually, and we had this
this tight end that had played with the Jets and
he got this brace made when he got stingers gets.

(01:50:53):
The Jets made it and he gave it to me
and he was like, here, you have to screw it
into the top of your pads. And it's just like
this little like three D printed looking thing and it
just had like enough of a ridge where I could
like lock my helmet on it, so then like when
I'm in my stance, I could like fucking put my
base and my helmet on that thing, and then I

(01:51:15):
couldn't go past that like on contact, so I would
literally like run kind of like like my head and
my shoulder pads were like connected, and then yeah, I can.
I continued to have stinger problems. Then I got the
Cowboy collar. Then that last year when I was dealing
with the next stuff, like I've told you before, like
I felt, I knew I was like slightly broken, and

(01:51:38):
so I was just trying to hide it as best
I could. I was stuffing like towels in there, like
just trying to make it so my head like would
not move back so I couldn't like turn to catch
a pass, but I could still block every once in
a while. But yeah, I mean it just it was
like out of necessity, like I just continued to add
more and more shit back there so I didn't have
to do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
And now everyone knows. This is just a little sneak
peek why we were so good. Not everyone knows James
Devlin in New England, but like it's pieces and it's
people like him. Everyone was a leader in their own
special way. Jimmy was an energy igniter. He was also

(01:52:22):
a guy that didn't say much, but when he talked,
everyone listened. Like that's why we were who we were
playing in our second Super Bowl in a row that
we lost and going back and winning another one, winning
one three years before that. All the success is because
the guys like Jimmy, you know, And that's something. He
was one of the best teammates I've ever had. He

(01:52:44):
always he could always read you, and like he'd always
pump me up if I if I was like down
or out, you know what I mean. You could read
my energy, real well shared experience.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
Man. I think that's just the human nature of this game. Dude.
We're all guy going through life together, like in the
same young men like I I young guy. I recently
heard this thing about like how it's hard to make
friends as an adult, right, like our whole childhood you're
with like people that are your age kind of going
through the same things in life, right, and then when

(01:53:16):
you're an adult, like you lose that because then you're working,
you're in like this corporate structure on the game of football.
We're all the same age, we're all going through life
at the same time. We're all going through the same
experience and on the field in our job, and so
it's just it's a special fucking community that it builds, right,
and then like we get to see you got to

(01:53:38):
see me start a family, Like I got to see
you have have Lily, and then like we then bond
even deeper on those kinds of things, and like, well,
she's what like eight now, then I got an eight
year old at home, Like he's I'm grooming them. Man,
He's a handsome old dude. You know. He just had
a nice little catch in his game on Sunday shout out.

(01:54:02):
He was pumped the first time I ever saw him
line up outside go Yeah, they got will out lined
up out on the edge. He runs a go quarterback
dimes the other nine years old. I'm like, dimes it
to him. He catches it over his shoulder, runs and
then hits like a first down like Can Newton. I'm like,
oh my god, this swag. This he's like, he's he's
kind of got that Danny coolness, you know what. It

(01:54:23):
doesn't even like a gold chain. He can't teach cool.
I'm not like a gold chain guy, but he wears
a gold chain. I put like a little I cut
his hair, so I put like a little lightning bolt
in the side. And but then Jimmy's like, Jimmy's like
a little man. I mean, I could go on and
on about my kids. I don't want ways start trying here.
Thank you so much, bro, Thanks for having coming. Everyone.

(01:54:46):
Go check out Soulberry in Ocean City and briging teenaw
Jersey down to Jersey shore man.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Jersey freaking short laundry. That's right, don't get you one.
Thanks Jimmy for.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Coming on with Thanks trapping man, I love you too.
Brother man.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
That was an awesome episode with James Devlan and we're
we're sitting here, we're arguing, how like one of the
dumbest smart guys I've ever met. Seriously, you're going to
say that no, because Jimmy he's so intell. He's like
the smartest guy, but he's dumb enough to try to
put towels in his neck when like doctor's basically saying, hey, dude,

(01:55:26):
you if you do this, you're you're not gonna be
able to walk, and he's like trying to maneuver a
way to be able to go still knock his head
into someone else. Like that's what a fullback is. Just
it's still a fullback when we have new fullbacks. When
he retired, I had to keep on. I say, hey, man,

(01:55:47):
I said, if you ain't knocking yourself out every goddamn play,
and you don't got little mechanisms to make your neck
not snap back, this ain't your job.

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
This isn't for you getting something three HE printed to
prevent like long term like neck and headergy is the.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
Perfect example of dumb smart.

Speaker 4 (01:56:05):
Right, you're smart enough to get something three D printed
that you can lock in, but like to bash your
head against them.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
No, he's he's the best human being. Man, He's awesome.
He really was an unbelievable teammate. Just a fucking he's
a foxhole guy. He's you know, anytime anything, any situation
all Jimmy was there ready.

Speaker 5 (01:56:26):
Honestly, Bro loves football, knows football.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
What a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
And he's just he's a movie care he loves really family,
loves his wife, he loves it. I just love him.
He's great people energy. Like, at what point do you
are you born a fullback? Do you become like he
is just Oozer's fullback?

Speaker 5 (01:56:45):
To me, it's kind of like those people that like
you start looking like your dog after you buy the doll,
you know what I mean, Like which one is it
a chicken or the egg thing?

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
It's incredible. I don't know that's a fullback right there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
Give him a long time to get there.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
Yeah, I mean, Lorenzo and Neill looks like a full back.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
He kind of jamis Wressell? Is he wrestler?

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
We didn't even ask.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Yeah, I don't think that was.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
He was track Like what a terrible journalist? I am
terrible journalist.

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
I just know I think if he tried, he box.
He boxes the guy like he just loves feeling. He
loves brothers. Did you see that? Like he he looked
at me when he said that. I almost started crying.

Speaker 5 (01:57:22):
Oh yeah, bro, he's on some four brothers Mark Wahlberg type.

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
Wahlberg type. He I think he loved that movie because
we were in the leg. He loved that movie. He
loved All Timer. Dude, dude, I want to talk some more.
Florida tusters Man and WIGGI down. Then that's crazy, ufl
is Man. What a what a journey, what a story?

Speaker 1 (01:57:44):
Wow? Playing for free in Orlando Soulberry, Everyone go check
it out.

Speaker 5 (01:57:48):
But he said in the preseason and Invaders out there
just clanging and banging for the.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
Playing in and banging. We need to chill out, guys
before we do that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:55):
I just want to say, just because for our non
Patriots fans, this is a while the Patriots played in
this game super Bowl fifty two. They were not the winners, right,
so we didn't fully give this game the full games
with the name experiences it deserves. So let's take this
be an opportunity to get Nick Foles in the show.
So just let's get Nick Foles to tell his side

(01:58:16):
for this game. I suspect it'll go higher up in
our rankings. Twelve is too low. But yeah, all right,
we're not We're doing more episodes with more people in
just different perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
So we have to get the Eagle.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
I know we needed pretty Jason Kelsey, Doug Peterson or
he was from He was already first one he had
one before.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
No, no, he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
Jason Kelsey was here and then yeah, but then they lost.

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
He missed this last he lost in the Kelsey ball. Yeah.
I wonder if you'ld do that one anyways, though.

Speaker 4 (01:58:46):
So we do need to get the Eagles perspective on this,
so we should also, I will say, put a bow
on this.

Speaker 5 (01:58:52):
Use our publishing arm of Nuthouse to help him publish
Thank you Football, thank you. That sounds like our kind
of book. We got it House Publishing, an imprint of
Simon and Schuster. We gotta thanks for our first ball
sick coffee table book. Imagine you walk into someone's cribnts
on their coffee table ball noer, immediate ballnoer ball noer.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Oh yeah man, insertion point. He got really excited question.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
I'm all about some insertion point. Man, it's time.

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Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
Oh yeah, cheers, tay guy. What do we doing? Taste
so good?

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
Would it hit your what we got right now?

Speaker 5 (01:59:41):
Sit this old chill line, hot line, whatever you want
to call it. Let's get let's hear from the people.
We haven't answered any of these in a while. The
answering machine was filling up.

Speaker 3 (01:59:51):
Duel Jackie Tyler, Eric from Detroit. I got a question
before done more.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
Weight, Dan Campbell, oh M C D C or Vrabes
pushing more away. See, I don't know Dan Campbell, no
like you know, he looks the part. He was a
tight end. You know he played in the league.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
I know Rabel. I know the lore of Rabel.

Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
I've seen Rabel, and I know the medical staff that
treated verybel like he.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
Was supposed to.

Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
He's like iron, He's supposed to be like a wolverine.
This guy he had like unreal wind. He never got tired.
That's what always the lore of Rabel. In the locker room,
he had long ass arms, he's set an edge. And
so if you think about it, defensive ends or like

(02:00:51):
outside linebackers, when they have a tight end on them,
they think it's a mismatch. They usually toss those guys
around them. There's only a select few guys that are untossable.
Was Dan Campbell one of those guys? I don't know.
I didn't know, but I'm just telling you. Rabes made
a lot of plays and set a lot of edges.
So my answer, I have the answer.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
The answer is Campbell bench, Rabes, deadlift.

Speaker 2 (02:01:22):
Low man wins, legs win. Let's speak.

Speaker 1 (02:01:24):
Next question, take your own inference from you.

Speaker 3 (02:01:30):
If there's any tips you for give me your husband,
Sam linebacker, wide.

Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
Receiver, Thank you, Sam linebacker, wide receiver. Combo. How do
you make varsity? Don't make any mistakes when you get
your opportunities. Make plays when you have your opportunities, But
don't go out of your life to try to make
a play. Make a play when it's there to be made.

(02:01:58):
So you have to, even though you're just doing your
job on your assignment or scheme and a certain play,
always do that and then sometimes a big play will
come out of that. But always doing what your assignment scheme.
This that you know, and if you're gonna make if
you're gonna make a gamble or guest, or you're gonna

(02:02:21):
make sure that fucking shit's right because they can't tell
you nothing if you do it right, if you if
you make the play doing it wrong. But just don't
make mistakes, man, don't make the same mistake twice. Know
your ship made. Varsity. Heck, yeah, varsity.

Speaker 1 (02:02:38):
We're rooting for you, Luke, and.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
You gotta win all. If you're gonna be young dog,
you gotta be the rabbit and marditioning varsity down there
in Frisco is no joke, man, and the conditioning. You
gotta be the rabbit, meaning you gotta be the You
gotta be leading the way. You gotta you gotta earn
the respect of the varsity.

Speaker 1 (02:02:53):
Let's go, Luke Schomau's doumb baby. You go to class.
Keep those grades up before we go to the next one.
You've got some stuff in the bottom of your shoe.

Speaker 2 (02:03:01):
Oh that's tar.

Speaker 1 (02:03:02):
That's tar. Yeah, keep your foot down.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
It looks like that's tar from the beaches of California.
I was walking my dog. These are my feet hurt, right,
now and these are comfy.

Speaker 1 (02:03:12):
Maybe just like angle it in such ways we can't
see it, but you see, I.

Speaker 2 (02:03:16):
Just want to show you.

Speaker 1 (02:03:16):
Just say, it's tar. There, it is, it's tar. We'll
keep it. Uh, it's the secret to get tar when
you step on on the beach sunscreen off. Yeah? Wow yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03:28):
Isn't that so stupid that we have to talk about
the tricks of walking on these beautiful beaches of getting
the tar off your fucking feet. How we have tar
on our goddamn beaches in California?

Speaker 1 (02:03:40):
I mean, you want do you want the answer?

Speaker 2 (02:03:41):
I don't want the answer, especially not from you. Next
question youah, some Texas boys represent.

Speaker 3 (02:03:53):
I want you guys to cover the Cowboys pat at
at and T Stadium. That was my first time watching
the Cowboys play born Abya clicked that.

Speaker 6 (02:04:06):
Newspaper articles and posted them to my courtboard growing up.
Jules think you had one hundred and twenty yards for
ceving four receptions and one hundy. I just I appreciate
having a chance to watch Dynasty two.

Speaker 3 (02:04:21):
Point zero in Persian. If y'all ben covered hand, that'd
be sweet.

Speaker 1 (02:04:26):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (02:04:28):
Speaking of Texas, you know Dola, we had Hall of
Fame weekend. Hell yeah, and Dola's got ah. Some of
his his friends that are we are all mutual friends
Texas people. And one of his friends is wearing a
cowboy hat and one of his wife is wearing a
cowboy hat. She's a professional writer and like, my daughter

(02:04:49):
loves horses. And so we're flying back after the weekend's over,
and she like looks over and she goes, Dad, why
are everyone at Texas so cool?

Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
I was like, what why?

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
She's like, do you see how cool they were? They
have a cowboy hat? And it's It's true, the Texas
people are fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
Lily's right as usual, you know what?

Speaker 7 (02:05:11):
On this game?

Speaker 1 (02:05:13):
To cover this game, I mean, we could cover this game.

Speaker 2 (02:05:16):
That was a fun game, just because it was for
a kid who grew up rooting against the Cowboys, being
a forty nine er fan but still always understanding the
grandness of the Cowboys. Cowboys are a cornerstone franchise in
this league, and I wanted to play my best game

(02:05:37):
against them in Jerry World in the Big Stadium. It
was still fairly pretty new when that thing came or
when we played there, so like that was such a
fun experience. Just because of that.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
I got a question for you about this game that
you probably have no idea on. This is one of
the prettiest visuals games.

Speaker 4 (02:05:56):
Yeah, I seen never like some of the best picks
lighting the coming through and just like the light like
Tom walking looks like a superhero. It's incredible, It's pretty
Did you see that like that? The lighting was weird
when you were playing in that game, like shadows or.

Speaker 1 (02:06:11):
Like, you know what.

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
I I don't remember necessarily that. I remember them coach
bringing that up, and I don't think it was that bad.
But the one thing you did have to practice was
the punts because the score the Jumbo Tron is low
and so it could bounce off that. So we were,
you know, trying to judge the punts in their pregame

(02:06:35):
just to get a look at that. But I mean
that thing is a spectacle. That stadium. I mean you
walk through, you're walking through a bar to get into
your locker room. There's like people going crazy, just freaking,
like dancers, like hoovering everywhere and stuff. It was I mean,
it's it's it's it's the big boys.

Speaker 5 (02:06:57):
We took that one thirty to six in a classic
Tom Brady versus Brandon Whedon matchup.

Speaker 2 (02:07:02):
I do remember, I do remember one thing I was around.
We didn't who was it. Romo wasn't playing that game.
He was banged up or something, right. I remember him
saying something like, we'll see you guys, We'll see you
guys again. Yeah right, Romo, Yeah right, dude. I don't

(02:07:30):
know if that's real. I don't know if I just
made that up, but there could have been something. I
was like, yeah, right, bro, oh, let's do one more.
It was a spectacle.

Speaker 1 (02:07:42):
Let's do This is from our Canadian at shit, Hey.

Speaker 7 (02:07:47):
Guys, I'm calling it from Canada. I wish I was
taught with some better news, but I don't know how
much filters down south. But uh, there's some new real
changes in the CFL that are completely turned this country
upside down. I just want to get your reaction to
the erotication of our great game up here. To summarize,

(02:08:10):
we're losing the length of the field. We always used
to be one hundred and ten yards, We're now going
to be one hundred yards. We're also taking away most
of the rouge implementations, which is one of the most
unique things about the Canadian game. There's still still one
still remaining, but most of the fun roof stuff is gone.
They're also reducing the size of the end zone, so anyway,

(02:08:32):
it's there's a great.

Speaker 1 (02:08:34):
Veil over the Canadian.

Speaker 7 (02:08:36):
North right now, and we need your voice away in
in the strong times, thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (02:08:45):
So they're cutting the field. They make it a regular
so some jack has more information. But they're moving the goalpost.
The goalpost from being on the goal line to back
of the end zone now at the NFL. And because
they're doing that, they're making the twenty yard end zone
now fifteen yards. What else, there's a both the teams
are going to be on opposite sidelines now they used

(02:09:05):
to be on the same sideline.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
They're also the ruge.

Speaker 4 (02:09:09):
Is like the little like weird one points for like
a missfield goal, if you kick it out of the
end zone, you get.

Speaker 1 (02:09:14):
A point that a lot of that stuff is going away.

Speaker 5 (02:09:17):
Yes, so a ruse a misfield goal that sails through
the end zone or a punt or kickoff that goes
through the end zone no more. You can't have a
walk off on those anymore. But Tyler mentioned the big one.
The shortening of the field used.

Speaker 1 (02:09:30):
To be one ten now down to one hundred. Do
they still in Jones will.

Speaker 2 (02:09:33):
Now motions there and go towards the line of scrimmage?

Speaker 1 (02:09:35):
Motions are still Yeah, there's no we're on that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:09:40):
With if you still got motion going forward, you still
got your little niche.

Speaker 4 (02:09:44):
So some of the controversy, because me and Jack we're
looking it up, some of the controversy is none of
the players or coaches were consulted with this.

Speaker 2 (02:09:51):
It was none of those players or coaches want to
be there. All those players and coaches want to be
in a league up every year.

Speaker 1 (02:09:58):
I don't know if that's true.

Speaker 2 (02:09:59):
We want to cup.

Speaker 1 (02:10:00):
I don't know if that's entirely true.

Speaker 2 (02:10:02):
Actually, Doug did more.

Speaker 1 (02:10:03):
Doug cut that we should call Dug up.

Speaker 2 (02:10:05):
We're appropriate.

Speaker 4 (02:10:08):
I think the Canadian people are a little bit taken
aback because what makes the KFL the CFL is not
the NFL, Right, it's just not a It's a somewhat
different product, and they're not really even trying to be.

Speaker 1 (02:10:18):
Are they maybe changing due to flag football it's more
touchdowns and more entertainment value.

Speaker 4 (02:10:26):
And for better sight lines, right, So removing the goalpost
from in play to out back now makes the like
the middle of the field in the end zone. They
don't really throw in the middle of the field in
the end zone. They would only throw in the sides.
So it's gonna increase scoring big time. It's probably go
an decrease injuries. So this guy's probably running into that
all the time. No, yeah, we saw that in some
of these clips we were watching.

Speaker 5 (02:10:45):
But just like, you're stripping away so much of the
Canadian uniqueness that is the CFL.

Speaker 2 (02:10:51):
It's its own game, and I mean it's just still
got a little more depth, right, I mean, I think
they haven't fully neutered it, but like I don't know what,
like kind I'm in a point are like, what's the
end game here?

Speaker 1 (02:11:02):
You want to be more like what are you trying
to be?

Speaker 5 (02:11:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:11:03):
You're trying to compute the NFL because you're not.

Speaker 5 (02:11:05):
And then you got to think about in the trickle
down effect, these young Canadian boys and girls growing up
learning this game on fields all across Canada.

Speaker 1 (02:11:13):
You gotta redo all these fields.

Speaker 5 (02:11:15):
Yeah, we can figure everything.

Speaker 2 (02:11:16):
Do they have Canadian football fields?

Speaker 7 (02:11:18):
And they do?

Speaker 2 (02:11:18):
They do, and they don't even have they have Canadian
football high school.

Speaker 1 (02:11:22):
Yeah, I think they have college.

Speaker 5 (02:11:23):
It's eight hundred thousand to a million to change, like
each fielder's in. It's gonna be in crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:11:27):
It's a me insane bro And there's some speculation too
with a lot of the NFL international talk that maybe
this is a play from CFL to make their games
more similar to potentially merger maybe not fully, or create
sub leagues or whatever, just to be more part of
the NFL ecosystem.

Speaker 1 (02:11:42):
So well, I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (02:11:45):
Maybe they're trying to recruit like Germany and because there's
a big German population playing football American football.

Speaker 5 (02:11:53):
They've come down here. They've had teams in America.

Speaker 1 (02:11:55):
It worked. We have Street don't.

Speaker 2 (02:11:58):
Forget about the Street Port but three straight Germans, yeah,
kun Sebastian Volmer and Johnson Johnson.

Speaker 4 (02:12:08):
I guess there's this is there's two phases of CFO
oral changes, and there's gonna be more drastic changes that
come into that.

Speaker 2 (02:12:14):
Are they still doing the kickoff though they do kick off?

Speaker 1 (02:12:17):
I don't know if it's modified like the NFL's kickoff, No,
but I mean I think the rusee part of it.
If they do take it out of the zone.

Speaker 5 (02:12:23):
That's a big thing from everything, the sweeping changes that
that I've read about. I mean, I see some people
singing old Stuart Johnson, it's the commission up there.

Speaker 1 (02:12:32):
Half of me phrases, but I don't. I don't like it.
I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (02:12:35):
He's liking it, and half of me he's not liking it.
It feels like it's probably gonna be that's my mom's
half that's likeing not liking it. The Canadian, Yeah, my
dad's side, like it's becoming more American. Yeah, it's visually
like what we're used to.

Speaker 1 (02:12:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:12:52):
I don't want to shoot on their game media.

Speaker 1 (02:12:55):
That's why I liked.

Speaker 5 (02:12:55):
I like it being unique and having having its own
personality and a little bit of you know.

Speaker 1 (02:13:00):
A person.

Speaker 2 (02:13:03):
Had a CFL contract.

Speaker 5 (02:13:05):
I was gonna say, you, you're more qualified to speak
than any of us right ever signed it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:09):
Yeah, what's the question they do? I think it's just
the conversation starter.

Speaker 4 (02:13:16):
Yeah, Yeah, how do we make our guy, our Canadian
ash tape that share feel better?

Speaker 2 (02:13:21):
Well, I don't know, man, Like I think you're gonna
get better, like because maybe because guys don't throw across
the middle in the red area in CFL, they're like,
I don't want to go play in that league because
it's not going to prepare me forever. I really want
to go and that's an NFL. Okay, we'd all be
lying if we're not. If we're gonna say the CFL
guys don't want to play in the NFL, we would
be lying to ourselves. We love the game, we love

(02:13:43):
what it is, but this could be a better thing
for them to get guys that. Oh maybe we could
do that now it's becoming a little more.

Speaker 1 (02:13:51):
Uniform, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (02:13:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:13:53):
I'm trying to go in a different direction. I think
the silver lining for our Canadian friends here is that
hockey season starts in Yeah, it's a hockey town.

Speaker 2 (02:14:02):
Yeah we shouldn't. Yeah, get honestly, I like I like
guys that like their sport.

Speaker 5 (02:14:06):
Me too. I'm with your Fraser were we stand in
support with your brother, We stand.

Speaker 1 (02:14:10):
In support of our Canadian football fame.

Speaker 5 (02:14:11):
Well, senior Nutou's hat and a s Lotty piping T shirt.
We got make up for things. Yeah, that was awesome
And I do have a ordered a bunch of the
what is it maple nougat from Kenabella. You're a big
nugat guy, Big nugat guy. Are we Hamilton Tiger Cat
guys here?

Speaker 1 (02:14:30):
I'm a Montreal hollow I'm a BC Lion. I'm a
BC Lion guy. Yeah. Or the rough Riders the rough Riders,
which one you might ask, Yeah, wait.

Speaker 2 (02:14:38):
The rough Riders. So they changed the rough Riders back
in California.

Speaker 5 (02:14:43):
One was like with a Z and one was like
going on the Razorbacks, the Oak Grove Razorbacks and Oak
Rove rough Riders.

Speaker 2 (02:14:50):
That was such a sick Pop Warner name. That is, dude,
red and black they were. They were red and blue
and white. I like like Patriots ish nah, but more
like more like technobol like looking red with little like

(02:15:11):
royal blue. Okay, and rather than like a navy Yeah,
more red. Yeah, I don't know. I like forget.

Speaker 4 (02:15:18):
We should pick we should each pick a CFL TfL
team and then bet on BC Lions. Okay, the Hamilton
Tiger Cats.

Speaker 2 (02:15:26):
Oh, Hamilton's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (02:15:27):
Montreal Aloettes. I'll go to Montreal Alottes Giants. I'm gonna
be a Hamilton guy. I'm a Hamilton guy.

Speaker 4 (02:15:33):
Calgary Stampeters, Edmonton Elks, Saskatchewan rough Riders, and then the
Winnipeg Blue Bomber.

Speaker 1 (02:15:39):
Whoever Drake roots for is who I root for?

Speaker 5 (02:15:41):
An Argonauts guy Toronto aka Nuts all right, I'll be
an Argonauts, but.

Speaker 1 (02:15:44):
I mean Hamilton is also close. If you gotta look
at the gear. Yeah, I gotta look at the Yeah,
who has the best gear?

Speaker 2 (02:15:54):
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Speaker 5 (02:16:13):
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Speaker 1 (02:16:14):
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