The David Andrews Episode

David Andrews is in studio! The long-time Patriots center, Georgia Bulldog, and Super Bowl Champ is with us from The DUNKIN' Nuthouse in Boston to talk ball. We talk being a one team guy, his favorite Gronk & Jules memories, and a whole lot more. David also picked a Dude he wanted to talk about: legendary Patriots Fullback James Develin. We find out what kind of dude David is using our patented Dude Questionnaire in The Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The favorite thing Dante used to do to me. You know,
Bill would like, if Rob, if you drop like a
Slaant route right, He'd be like, I'd go get me
and Ernie could complete this route whatever it would be right,
Me and Ernie could punt the ball that far, and
Dante would just be in the back of the room
right like laid down like this. You just hear, no,
you can't, Bill.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome to Dudes on Dudes presented by Duncan. We are
coming to you from the Duncan Nuthouse in Boston.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I'm Julian Edelman.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
And I'm Rob Gronkowski.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
And this is the show where your favorite dudes get
to talk about their favorite dude.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
And today we're joined by our good friend and former
teammate David Andrews. What are we talking Robbie, his thoughts
on the twenty twenty five Patriots, one of my favorite
unsung heroes of the Patriot Donastude, and.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
The time he went short list at the Super Bowl Parade.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Plus we find out what kind of dude David Andrews
is and the Chillest Dude of the Week Presented by
Coors Life.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Dudes on Dudes is a production of iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Today, we are joined by our friend and old teammate,
two time Super Bowl champ Georgia Bulldog, Aaron Donald's dad,
host of the Quick Snap podcast, and the leader of
the line of our line, David Andrews.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Welcome to the show, bro, this is sick.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Thanks for having me. Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
What are you up to these days? Retirement life, A
lot of retirement, A lot of dad life, which has
been super cool. And then I got into golf and
that's kind of been I do that a lot right now.
Something to challenge me. I talked really bad to myself
on the golf course, which I think is good for
you. You know, you need some you know.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Kind of like happy Gilmar.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, you know, I haven't found my happy place yet.
Have you seen number two yet?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Do you like it? You get the surgery? Uh No,
I need to get the surgery. I need about four
more surgeries. But no, it was good. I mean it
was cheap laugh. Nothing like dumb and dumb or two
like you know it is what never?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, you just hit it right on the money, a
cheap laugh. But you got to appreciate a cheap laugh.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I did.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I did, I thought John daily was hilarious.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
I'm so good, very good.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, so retired life. Yeah, you know, I haven't missed it.
That's like the one question I want, like do you
miss it yet?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
I don't know. I haven't missed it at all.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I mean, I you know, you miss the guys, and
there's nothing that we will placed putting your hands on
a like I love the physicality of the game. You know,
those games we were in when you could fill a
team break like that, to me is the best feeling
in the world. Like you go out there in the
middle of the fourth quarter, You're like, these guys are done.
They want nothing to do with us. Yeah, and so
I missed I'll miss that, But you know, I just

(02:40):
I gave it all I had and did everything I
could to try to be a successful as I could
and walked away with no regrets.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
So all three of us right here in this room,
we're kind of on the lucky side of walking away
from the game of football because we all have a
championship and that's what everyone strives for him And when
you walk away from the game without a championship, you're
always like, what if I play another year? What if
I go to a team that's a contender and win
a championship, because that's what it's all about. So we're
lucky to have that. And on top of it, we

(03:07):
kind of all walked away on our own terms as well.
Yes we were beat up, I mean all all three
of us. We've had plenty of surgeries. But you just
had a wonderful career with the New England Patriots, and
I'm sure you could have went to another team as well,
but you kind of walked away on your own terms
and that feels good. We're rare players to be able
to do that, you know, the percentage of players to

(03:28):
do that is very minimal, so it feels good. So
you don't really miss the game as much because you
know you gave it. You're all, like you said, and
to walk away with your head high, your chest up,
you know, being proud of yourself is always a good feeling.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
So congratulations Grau undrafted free agent.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
We'll get into you more when we break you down.
And another thing that we're all blessed in having with
our retirement is having avenues to explore. Yeah, your own
Quick Snap podcast with Brian Hoyer, How is that going?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Working with Hoy Dog all day. Yeah, you know, Hoy's
Hoy's great. I had a great relationship with Hoy when
he was here. Yeah, obviously the quarterback center, you know,
I mean yeah, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Me and Hoy.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know, he was here in seventeen eighteen obviously when
we were still successful, and then he kind of, you know,
hung around for some of the bad years, unlike some
people I know, uh.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Who you know.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
About me and Slate, you know, we really stuck it out,
trying to fight the good fight. But no, and so
Hoy was there for some of that, which was funny
to see, you know, just like his whole perspective because
he was so at different places and but getting to
work with him. I've always thought Hoy had a great
knowledge of the game, and I think us being able

(04:48):
to see the game very similar at times. Yeah, and
then you know, I think I'm excited this year to
talk about it because one we did last year and
it was kind of weird because I was still playing
then I got hurt, and you know, when you're hurt,
you don't feel like you're a part of the team. Yeah,
but I'm obviously yeah, but I'm still part of the team.
So you're like still in this like media Stacey James,
Bill Belichick trained media, you know, and you're like, you

(05:11):
don't work for them no more. I know, but you'll
take that last year I did, you know. So I'm
like still in that mindset, and so like this year,
I think it's going to be cool to you know,
be able to talk without having that over your head,
you know. And look, I mean at the end of
the day, I'm still a fan of the organization.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Like I'm still rooting for him.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
I'm still seeing everything no matter what happens, glass half full,
you know. But I think it will be interesting to
you know, having Josh back. Obviously, we all played for
Josh know that offense, so you know, you can kind
of be able to see and give your your point
of view. I will say there's been some Me and
Hoy did a practice in stadium practice we like commentated

(05:51):
it all and Josh got some new wrinkles. I think
the year off last year was really good for him.
I talked to him and he, you know, did a
lot of things. So I'm interested to kind of see,
you know, especially what he does with Drake.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Uh, because of Drake's.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Skill set, you know, he's got a little bit of both,
like can move, can you know, run throw? So you know,
I'm very interesting kind of what Josh throws the sprinkles
in this year.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
The offensive line always has a special relationship with the
quarterback because you guys are always working together, going through
blitz packages, all that good stuff. But there's even another
level to the relationship with the center. Can you explain
that quarterback, you know, center relationship and what it takes
and how much you value it.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, I don't know. I played center since sixth grade
and I played I only played old line since I
started playing, and then I started playing center, and you know,
I I don't know. I just I've always had a
great relate, Like one of my best friends is still
in my high school quarterback, Like, I've always had a
great relationship with those guys.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
One is an intimate relationship and his dudes on.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Dudes, especially when you guys don't have like football pants
own something you guys can actually feel.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Because I was walk lifting up a guy's ball.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Sometimes when you put your hand under when there's no
like jocks or anything.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
He was also dangerous game at center if you're snapping
without like some good compressions.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
You could rack yourself.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I forgot trouble.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, and Jules's quarterback to what was your relationship with
the son Jewels Jewles.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I remembers sixteen sixteen sixteen. We were that Thursday night game.
Jeweles was playing quarterback and this dude he took two
snaps and tried to come tell me how to snap
the football. I was like, yo, yo, give me up
in the middle of it.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah he was.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
He was like I was a little and I was
like Jewels in twenty sixteen, Jewels was telling everyone how
to do everything. But I don't know with off the field,
working with Tom, like you know, he was so he
was so demanding and it was great for me because
when I came in, I got a lot of early experience.
And you know, he's on I'm on day three install,

(07:59):
He's on day ten thousand, so like he was making checks,
rita calls. I didn't even know what rita was, and
like that pushed me. And I mean, you guys all
know how Tom does, Like the way he pushes guys
to get the best out of him, and he's hard
on you, but at the end of the day, he
knows he's doing it because he wants the best for
you and he cares for you, and so that relationship

(08:19):
with him and getting to work with him, uh, was
just really special. And he threw me off. I'll never forget.
In twenty sixteen in Pittsburgh, we came up to the
line and you know, he was making all the my points.
It was only my second year and we get up
to the line. He's like, what do you want to
do here? And I like panicked because I was like,
he never asked anybody. You know, he was in running
the show there.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
He wants to see what you got.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, And I was like in the spot, I was like,
what you're comfortable?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Probably, yeah, And I was it like shook me because
he'd never done that. And you know, it ended up
working out. I think we went to Gap versus uh
versus Diamond Front and uh, you know, it ended up
working out pretty good. But yeah, it was uh, it
was Uh. It was a great relate. There's nothing like
the quarterback center relationship because you're one giving him information.

(09:04):
He's relaying information back to you, and then it's your
job to relay it to everyone else. So yeah, so
you know, and then every now and then he'd be
in the meeting room and he'd mess something up and
I'd have to take the fall for it. He'd just
be sitting in his you know, we all sat in
the regular chairs and he had his office chair and
just be sitting there. He'd be like, what do we
do here? And he wouldn't say anything, and I'd have
to take the fall for it. But you know, with
a guy like that, you got to do that.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
What's an easier task in life?

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Communicating with Tom Brady or communicating with your wife.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I'm better at communicating with Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Tom will yell at you more than your wife would,
well at you, yeah, and louder too, yeah, and embarrass
you in front of everyone.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
He does do that, and he's got a good way
of that. But like, I'd rather that than my wife.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Now, what do you think about this? While cample pick?
You have you watched him it at all?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I have? You know? I so obviously, you guys know
Dante and I love Dante. I still have a great
relationship with Dante, and I think and I look at
a lot of the guys that we played with on
the old line and guys even before me, you know,
you had me. Let's just go back to like my ears,
me Shaq Mason, right, smaller guy. Shaq was a smaller guy. Yeah,

(10:15):
long arms, but no one thought he was gonna be
like he never passed, blocked, great career, me undrafted, not
all the great size, great career. Joe Tuney never played,
he played all five positions.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
And then Scar came in.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
You're playing left guard, turned into an all pro left guard,
so like and then you go back to like light,
Uh you got Dan Condley, You've got Wyn Windell, You've
got uh who Neil? You got Neil, and obviously the
list goes on, yeah you got and then obviously you
got the guys like a Logan Mankins, who's like everyone

(10:50):
knew Logan was gonna be as.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah now but likes the common denominator, there's one what
Dante and smart football players.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
But at the end of the day, this is what
I think, right, And then I look at like uguls
like play quarterback slate like we just got football players
and that's the basis of it all. And I look
at guys on our team like, you know, obviously, like
one thing, I was placed impressed with you, Rob, I
had no idea what you were like, as a player
coming here, I knew about your reputation that was all
over everywhere, but I had no idea how smart of

(11:23):
a football player you were in your understanding of the game.
I just thought you ran routes, got open and you
got the ball. But like when I got here and
got to know you and watch how you did things,
like and I look at all the guys on those
football teams, we just had football players. So I think
at the basis of any NFL pick, yeah, everybody. There's fast,
and there's strong guys. There's guys who can jump. But

(11:44):
if you can't play football, that don't matter. None of
that shit matters. So you know, I look at Will
and there's a lot of talk about it, but I
think when I look at him, I think he's a
football player, and I think he has football player qualities
that you want to me. That's more important than he
jumping and all that. Obviously there are requirements for that stuff,

(12:06):
but you know, you've got to be a ballplayer, and
I think this kid's a ballplayer. Not only time will tell,
and you know, we'll see. I think fans have to
manage expectations with what's going on here.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, but I also like having Josh McDaniels there who
can protect them.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Josh is going to do things. Yeah, they get.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Checked them with chips and all these and they how
they call the game and when they call certain plays
for certain matchups. I think that's gonna be huge when
people don't realize. You know, there's only one guy that's
been around Dante Scarnakio for like twenty years, and that
was like Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
So if anyone's going to be able to.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Not be Dante but be able to know what to
kind of say to these guys and develop them, hopefully
it is Josh.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Well. You know, even watching that stadium practice, I was
saying me and Hooy did, like you could see the
way Josh caught games Like we didn't go out there
in the first play of the game, we run sixty
four protection, throw a seam and you know, get let's
hit the quarterback. Confidence We got quick, got everybody confident, right,
whether it was getting you the ball something quick, getting
James White, you know, or the running back you know,

(13:10):
getting you a little five yard route and it turns
into twelve. You know that that is how you do things.
And then you set things up to now. You know,
all right, it's the middle of the third quarter. We've
run you know, sixteen oh, fifteen times. Now we're hitting
common sixteen oh. That was single back power.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
So single back power to one side. We've hit it
a few times. Now, let's give him the counter. So basically,
we're jabbing the whole time all game. Gotta be patient
with the jab jab and then we hit the counter hot,
counter hot, and.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
It would be Gronk at twelve yards. The linebackers are
at three yards because they've seen power, and Gronk's now
making seven safety feaver.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
So will Campbell's Will Campbell's gonna be a good player.
You think he's got the tangible and tangible I think
he's got the intangibles. Now all the other stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
What about another for Georgia guy, You know what I mean?
Jared Wilson. Jared Wilson, I've heard that third round. Yeah,
I've heard a lot about this kid. I don't know him.
You know, it's funny when he contacted you, h No,
I was up there and I did see him, and
I spoke to him and you know, tried to encourage him.
Uh you know, So it's It's gonna be interesting to

(14:15):
see what they do. I haven't got a good felt
feel of watching practice here in reports of what they're
doing offensive line, you know, it seems like the center
has kind of been a rotating position. It seems like
the right side settle, you're gonna have big Mic I'll
win you at right guard more still there Mogan Moses
at right tackle, and then it kind of seems like

(14:36):
center left guard are kind of your two juggling spots.
Will's gonna play left tackle? You know what combination they're
gonna get to that. I think the one thing that
you know worries me is obviously in training camp you
got guys getting banged up. There's gonna be rotation. You
need to get some rotation. But I felt like every
training camp we went into you knew who our starting

(14:57):
five was.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Now.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Granted, maybe you know a tackle had to get a
day off or was banged up for two weeks and then,
you know, but you knew who the starting five was
going into the season. And but they're at ground zero
right now.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
They are a you know what I mean Like this,
there's they're trying to install a whole new identity of
the team a whole new identity of like the schemes,
So like it's unfair for us to go in and
guys that were playing in this same system on a
freaking great football team to like say, like wasn you
know what I mean, because like we came in and

(15:32):
it was a well oiled machines already there was you know,
there was.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Four interchangeable pieces, but it was.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
But they're still trying to find the nucleus of guys.
And going back to your point, a Will Campbell can
be a nucleus guy that they draft developed, Williams, Jared
Wilson can be I like the Trayvon Henderson kid that
could be a core guy you got Drake made. That's
what you have to developed and then it'll turn into
potentially what we were like as a well oil machine.

(16:00):
But they got to have some years together. I got
to figure out that starting lineup. They didn't have one.
We had a starting lineup, and we just interchanged like
when you came in when Stork went out, like when
Stork came in when other guy went out. But there
were still three or four guys that were there for well.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
And I think, you know, I look at our teams, right,
we had a lot of drafted guys.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
However they get undrafted.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Drafted like that had been there, you know when I
got there, Tom had been there so long, Nate, Marcus, SeaBASS, Wendy,
you two. You know, just offensively, that's what it was.
And then you had the you know, like a Rex
Bark had come in for two or three years, and
not that Rex was a great, but he wasn't the
nucleus guy. So you know, I look at the team
right now, it's very heavily free agent and there's not

(16:44):
a lot of those nucleus guys right now of the
past six years like they got. They're at the point
where they got to make them.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yeah, That's what I was talking about earlier on a
couple of his shows I got on over the weeks,
is that, yes, they upgraded this team. You know, coach
Rabel did a great job going to get the pieces,
but he went to go get them in free agency.
There's not a nucleus like we were talking about that
we had when we were there. And that's what continues.
You know, the championship runs, so it's kind of up

(17:11):
in the air how this team is going to gel
it could either be great, fantastic because all the free
agents that they signed come together, or it could be
like in two thousand and what was at thirteen with
the Dream Team the Philadelphia Eagles. They signed all those
all stars and then they went seven and nine that
year and didn't even make the playoffs. So it can
go either way. But in the end, if you want

(17:31):
to have a sustained success and have playoff runs year
after year, you got to have that core group of guys,
which we did, which you were one of them, David, Julian, yourself, myself,
obviously Tom, and that's what kept that, you know, decades
of runs of going to the playoffs and championships going.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
And I think as a young guy coming in probably
saying for y'all because there was a different nucleus when
y'all came, you guys were on the outside of the nucleus.
Then when I came, you were the nucleus. All I
wanted to do as a young guy was be accepted
into that nucleus. Yeah, I feel like that Jimmy neutron
right now with all these I know there's a lot
of nucleus don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Shitay, we're so smart, right, now.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
But that's a special thing, I think too, because it
challenged me like, all right, like what do I have
to do to be in this? Is it getting there
at five thirty A yell?

Speaker 3 (18:20):
I'll be there. What was a moment where you're like, yes,
I'm part of this group.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
They know when you're part of the nucleus.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Part of the nucleus.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I would say twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen, even though I
started eleven games, I still felt like an outsider. I
would say twenty sixteen when I became the full time
starter and like started just gelling with guys. You know,
I just felt like fifteen, I felt like I was
just a temporary piece, you know, even though it was
playing a lot. It didn't feel like I felt like

(18:50):
any moment I could be sent home, you know. And
really in sixteen, I felt like, all right, like kind
of took my role as trying to lead the offensive line.
And I think that was the year I really felt
like from Tom, from everybody that I just felt like,
all right, I'm one of these guys now, you know.
And I think that's really special when a group of
guys do that, because then it challenges those young guys

(19:12):
because I looked at you know, all you guys. What
were you guys doing? How were you doing stuff?

Speaker 3 (19:17):
All? Right?

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Like I remember I used to get there at five
thirty because Sea Bass told me to. And like late
in the year, I was exhausted. I'd put on film
in the O line room and let it run, pause
it at like thirty five plays and go back to
the sleep room because I was just beaaten exhausted.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
I had sleep for thirty minutes.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
So Sea Bass came in there, it looked like I
had watched thirty five plays film.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Now, so explain to us the dynamic of the Lineman room.
Now like when you first got there. Explain who's the
jokes or who's a serious guy, Who's the asshole? Was
there an asshole? Was there this guy? How is coach
Scarr and the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Explain the dynamic of So we had a big change
from year one to year two. For me, now you
know we drafted me Shaq Mason, Trey Jackson. My year
still had guys like Josh Klin, Debbie cam Fleming. Uh. Yeah,
you had Marcus Cannon, Uh, Sea Bass and Nate and

(20:10):
Wendy who were like your older statesman in the room.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Sea Bass and Wendy were assholes to me.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Uh you know.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Sea Bass would just yell at me and his German
accent all the time about like calling fronts and I'm like, dude, yeah,
I'm like dude, can you not see it? Like I'm
just figuring this out, you know, but like all that stuff.
Wendy embarrassed me in front of the old line room
one day, like pulled me up there and like asking
me all the questions about a team we were gonna
play in the preseason. And you know that first preseason

(20:38):
game there's no preparation. So I had no game. Yeah,
there's no game game planning.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
And so I had no idea was it was he
doing it to make you better? Or was he doing it?

Speaker 1 (20:48):
No, he was he was It was an asshole. Moved
by him, but it was something like, oh, Ship, like
this is real, Like I got to figure this out,
Like I need to know, I need to know all that,
and I just you know, in college, you don't you
just kind of go out there and play, you know,
And I just had no idea the preparation it took
to reach that level. And so what was cannon? Cannon

(21:08):
was the good guy like Cannon. I'll never forget Marcus
took me. Him and Nate were both the good guys,
you know. Nate was like giant yeah, and like Marcus
took me one year, which was really cool. My rookie year.
You know, you're stuck in the residence and you're like
kind of like just alone, you know, or whatever, and Mark,
you know, like the I remember the old line would

(21:29):
go do stuff and they didn't really invite the rookies,
you know. But one year Marcus called me. They have
the Patriot Alumni Fishing Tournament, so he's like, what are
you doing this weekend? I was like nothing. He's like,
you want to go fishing? And I was like, yeah,
I'd love to, you know, like I just he could
have told me, like do you want to go play croquete.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I just wanted to be invited.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah. So he was like, pick me up. We go
down to the cape. We go out that night. He's
like buying me drinks. We had a long night.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
I can barely fish.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
You guys go some bar down on the cape, foulmouth,
I think, And I mean it was just like I
don't know, it was like a really cool moment. For
me as a young guy, because I was like, this
is awesome because in college we all did that, you know,
and it wasn't like that, you know as much being
a rookie, uh and all those guys like Nate's but
they all have kids and everything, and so you know,

(22:17):
that was really cool for me. And then Nate was
just like the loving granddad of the room, you know,
like it's gonna be okay, Like, you know, stay, he's
one of the best people I've ever met.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
And guy, the guy didn't he keep the Donald duck
that I was not there. I think he kept that dunck.
It was like a couple of years and like he
feeds it and it still comes to his house and
you see the big guys, Nate Soldier like feeding this
little duck daily. I remember he had a pet duck
that like he didn't but he didn't like.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
He might did because he had a pond behind him.
Yeah he had a pet duck. He but yeah, I
mean it was really and then the next year, you know,
was really where it felt like there was a big
turnover with like Joe Toney and Ted Carris coming in
so and that was kind of and then it was
kind of like, that's our offensive line, Nate, Joe, Me, Shaq, Marcus,
and then the rest is kind of history going on

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the run.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Yeah, before we get going on and moving on, can
you give us your best Dante Skarnakia story, Like.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Because we always we don't understand Scar's other position. Yeah,
because Scar was like the nicest human being to anyone.
He didn't coach apparently, I thought he was like the
coolest dude.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
He too.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Scar would come up all the time, he would come
up to me. He'd be like, hey, Gronk, he goes.
I know you don't seem appreciated aroun here, but let
me tell you this, this organization.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
You're helping it move forward and we love that. Keep
it going. And I like, walk away. I'm like, is
Dante fucking with me?

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Like, because he's I see him always just absolutely scolding
his lineman and then he just gives me a compliment
in the hallway. I'm like, I'm like, I love this guy,
but is he investing with me?

Speaker 1 (23:56):
So a couple of things real quick. So Dante would
yell at you for taking notes, but she felt like
you should take notes, and so ted Teddy was always
taking notes, like Teddy Carris, Sady Carriss is always taking notes,
and so he's like yelling at Ted. One day, Ted's
like writing stuff down, you know, and he's like, hey, Ted,
why don't you write this down? I fucking sucks or

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something like that. That wasn't all time like Ted was
the best dude. I don't I think he did write
it down Ted. Ted told me one day like he
had all of Dante's sayings wrote down, and I need
to get a photo copy of that. But that one
was great. One year, twenty nineteen, you know, that was

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an up and down year. I was not playing. It
was Marcus again. We had a real the old line
room was a lot of turnover. It was just a
termoal year, and Dante was going through it. You could
tell he was tired, you know, three straight Super Bowls,
like he was just drank. So one day he's like
giving it to him pretty good, and like I said,
there's a lot of new guys in the room and

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kind of like takes a deep breath, lays's glasses down
on the desk, he goes, you know what, I've said
a lot of messed up things to you all over
the year, and me and James Ferns. She's sitting next
to each other and James like tapping me. He's like, dude,
he's gonna apologize to us. He's like, I've said a
lot of crazy things to you all over the years.
Fuck it can't change it now, and just went right
back into it. That was one that was a great one.

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And then I used to always love the favorite thing
Dante used to do to me. You know, Bill would like,
if Rob, if you drop like a slant route right,
and he'd be like, I'd go get me and Ernie
could complete this route whatever it would be right, yeah, yeah,
you know all the stories, all the stories of Bill,
me and Ernie could punt the ball that far, and
Dante would just be in the back of the room

(25:45):
right like laid down like this, you just hear, no
you can't.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Bill.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
I used to love that because no one said anything.
You know, we're all getting cussed out, and like, you know,
Bill and Ernie couldn't throw a five yard out route,
but like you're not going to say that, and then
Dante's just like, no, you can't.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Bill.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I used to love what they do.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
It's kind of like the uncle that always put his
arm around you when things are going right. That used
to like beat his kids, you know what I mean,
like you know, but loved his kids.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
It was doing it for the right reason.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh, I mean like they were they were the sickest
kids in the block.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I'll never forget. I never forget. Like, you know, we
did the what was what do we call the meetings
on the bye week? Not exit meetings, but like remember
they would like sometimes do like one on one meetings
with your it was.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Your positional coach before training at like after training camp
or bye bye week. It's like you're scouting or your
self scout self scout.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, so you know, we're doing that and he calls
me in and I'm like, oh my god, he's about
to have every penalty, every flag, whatever, every bad block,
Like this is about to be fifteen minutes of hell
before I'm trying to cut loose for four days. He
calls me in and there's like a chair like very close,
like how close they're city and like I'm like, oh,
this is going to be so personal. And he's like,

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how you doing, man? And I was like I'm good.
He's like how's your wife, Like how's everything at home?
And It really caught me off guard because we didn't
talk one thing about football. And I think that's the
perfect example of Dante, Like he was so hard on us.
He didn't need to sit down and have a one
on one ask chewing with us. He needed to like
let us know, like and it was like, hey, you're

(27:25):
doing a good job. Keep going, like, you know, enjoy
this week or you know three days that Bill would
give us.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Enjoy that. Let's come back.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
We got a strong push to make or whatever it was.
And I don't know, just for him to like check
in on me how I was doing, how things were
at home, because that can affect you, like if things
aren't good at home in the NFL, like you carry
that shit into work and it can affect you. So
I don't know, I just think that was like the
perfect example of what Dante was.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
He cared about us at a true level. You know.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
It's kind of like when your dad, like you know,
one day, sits down with you and like opens the
beer with you and you're.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Like, oh wow, like I thought I was about to.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Get it out here, you know, like moment man, Yeah,
it was like a moment like that that was like
Dante's the real deal.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
We'll be right back after this quick break, all right,
last one, one more thing because you're you're great at storytelling.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
So we got kind of the.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Dynamic of how the Liman are how did the lineman
celebrate in comparison to like when like there's a lineman
float when we were at parade, you guys, we always
saw the gronk float. You see the receiver float, Like,
how did the lineman take all the fun? And would
you guys like, were you guys explain the Liman dynamic

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of how you celebrate?

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Seen when Bill like made the whole stink about like
no drinking on the plane anymore? Remember that because something
that happened in training camp.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
He was like it was about every year.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, but like it was like we're cutting down, no
more boot like you know, we're not doing all this.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
So the first year at the at.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
The Young Da with college in his face, that was eighteen.
That that was probably my favorite parade because I had
one under my belt and I knew what we were
doing at that point. But sixteen we get on the
bus and everyone's like, where's the beers like coming to me?
I'm like, I didn't know we could, we could bring
beers like that's okay now, and so you know, I
had no idea. So an eighteen, I was stocked. I

(29:18):
had stuff from mimosas for the wives. I had beers,
I had Fireball, I had it all. Eighteen we had
a blast that pictures from eighteen and it was all
of us sitting We had one of the flatbeds and
we all sat on like they had the generators and
we all sat on the generators together and you know, Me,
Shaq and Joe and it was just like, I don't know,

(29:41):
but at the time, we didn't think it would be
the last one. You know, you just we took him
for granted. And I think I think especially me because
I came in AFC Championship and then three straight. I
was just like, no one's stopping us. We're just gonna
do this shit every year. We might not win, but
we're going and.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
My mindset as well every year.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
But that eighteen we had remember the Dilly Dilly commercials. Yeah,
we had Dilly Dilly the guy on the boat, oh shit,
float or whatever the flatbed. So we get on there,
We're like, oh my god, we got the bud Life
float like there's got to be thousands of bud lights
on this we get there, they didn't have one beer.
They had the dilly dilly bud light guy beer the nights,
you know they used to have the nights. They didn't

(30:22):
have one bud light on the boat.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
That one.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
That one drove me insane. But you don't really need
to bring alcohol because you got to keep your head
on a swivel. I've never had to try to catch me.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
We got fans chucking freaking fifteen beers that you at
one time, and they're not paying attention. You can get
drilled right in the head, which happened to me a
couple of times on that float in two thousand.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
And then I think we went to uh we went
to Mastros, like open the restaurant for the line, and
we had like lunch and Mastros, and then I think
I ended up in Bizu that night and they handed
me an Ace of Spades bottle. I was so drunk
I couldn't figure out how to open it, and I
rinted the cork off.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
The cork was just stuck in this like I don't
even thousands.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Dollar bottle of Ace of Spades and was just like
stared at me and I was like, I'll get it
out with my pocket knife. They were like, please don't
pull your pocket knife out. So, you know, it was
there's nothing like the parades, man. That's probably the I
think my favorite part of winnings the ring ceremony. The
parades are awesome, but the ring ceremonies when it's just
us nothing.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Well, talking about the twenty eighteen parade, what about the
game when you were going up against block When you're
going up against Aaron Donald, what was it like blocking him,
one of the greatest defensive linemen to ever play, and
you held your own. You were one of the reasons
why we won that game because we took care of
business in the trenches.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Well I'll never forget, you know, really, and to give
someone else's flowers. Joe Touney deserves from that game because
we had such a great game plan going in. You know,
we were really good at running the football that year,
and that opened up our play actions to get guys
like you two open right, and a lot of times
when you're running play actions sometimes that creates one on
one blocking and some bad advantages, especially as an old lineman,

(31:57):
because you want to try to be aggressive, but yeah,
sell the run because that will help you. But then
Aaron Donald's such a problem. So we had it schemed
up where Josh was doing so great about the formations
where we were putting Aaron. You know, we didn't want
him backside on some plays, which you would think, but
that could cause some problems, you know, we wanted in

(32:17):
front side. So Josh did a great job and we
had a lot of our plays where we weren't and
they and they on their base defense, they ran like
an underfront and so that would create one on ones
on the back side. So Josh was like, we're not
doing that, and I think we remember we came out
and we found out they weren't matching the personnel group.
It was matched off the running back. So that like

(32:39):
last drive when we hit you, you know, for the scene,
it was all who was at the running back. So
if it was Rex in the game, they would put sub,
we'd run the ball. Then when Sony came in it
was be base we'd start throwing the ball. So it
was like an interesting adjustment we made during the game.
But I remember one drive, it might have been the
drive we went on to score on the Sony touchdown.

(33:01):
After your play, we called like a four thirty five lead,
and we said we weren't in a call it because
I put Joe Toney one on one with Aaron Donald
and Josh came up to us at the old line
and he goes, look, I know we said we're not
doing this, but we're gonna do it because this is
going to be a big play for us.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
We did it.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
I think that started the drive to you and then
you know, we just started eating them alive, that drive
because we kind of got in a groove and I
just I don't know. I look at that game and
it was just up front. Everybody got their turn against Aaron.
You know, it wasn't one guy, And yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Don't got my turn one time. That dude lined up
everywhere Tactley, he was a DM. When he lined up
against me, I was like, oh shit, my turn. But
but I had my own, I had help.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I think one of my favorite pictures on your big play,
it's aus five. It was a five man front, so
everyone's one on one, and I don't know, it was
just it's cool to see because it wasn't like, you know,
one guy's getting double. We all had to hold up
our weight against you know, they had great d line
and and you know it's just that's what we trained for,

(34:05):
that's what we did and and you know everyone pulled
their weight that game. Uh. And I know people talk
about hating I think that's probably one of my favorite
Super Bowls just because it was such a grind and
like we were. Every team was moving the ball, but
it was all about field position and different things. So
just no one was scoring. No one was scoring, but
there was a lot of yards. I mean, how many
yards did you have, jewels? Yeah, one hundred and fifty

(34:30):
yards no touchdown, Like that's a lot of yards to
not score. And I feel like so it was one
of those games where it was just so interesting, but
it was just it was a lot of adjustments in game,
which I didn't feel like we made in Atlanta. Like,
I don't think there was a lot of adjustments. We
just weren't playing goods. So that part of it was
really fun to me.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Man, that's that's crazy. I mean, you're gonna get to
tell your kids he's gonna go down as probably top
five player on defensive all time.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
My son started asking about, like Tom and which is like,
that's gotta be fun. We went, I took him to
the statue and and Tom was like can I hold you?

Speaker 3 (35:05):
And someone was like no.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I was like, buddy, you're gonna regret that one day,
you know, like Tom, you can hold me, you know.
But so that's really cool, like because he doesn't understand that. Yeah,
but like you know, you have pictures with the greatest
person to ever play this game. I know. So like, boy,
he's four four, he's getting he's getting years. Well now, yeah,
he started like he was asking questions on who his

(35:29):
jersey was, why he was in there, and then like
we saw something the other day, He's like that's Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
I'm like, all right, good job, here we got TV.
He's coming along baby.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Now it's time for Duncan Dudes, presented by Duncan. This
is a segment where we determine which type of donut
best represents our guest.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
We know your son's probably a little munchkin. I saw
what eat about every one of these donuts, but give
me those donuts.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Before, dude, we have to find out what kind of
donut David is.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
What's your favorite sweet flavor?

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Well, first off, it's not necessarily what type of donut
you like. We're gonna determine what type of donut you are,
So which donut do you like?

Speaker 1 (36:11):
What's your favorite? Like sweet taste?

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Oh man? I like, are you a sweet guy? Rob?
You know you're everything guy.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I already know what I think he is. I I do.
I do like cinnamon and stuff like that, Like I
love carrot cake, but.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
You gotta have the frosting matters, and the cat does matter.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
And I want no fruit no, no pine, no fruit no,
and my carrot cake. But I also love uh. I
love like simple flavors, Like I'm a simple guy. I
don't want something exotic. It's easy. I know what you are.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
I already know what you are too.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I think you're old fashioned. I love cake donuts more.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Then I think you're more of a glaze stick. A
glazed stick, you know, I don't because it's like an
old fashion.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
And you stick it to the defenders, like this defensive.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
You'll probably don't ever eat these, But growing up, I'd
eat the glaze sticks from the gas station.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
So you would go to the gas station and get
those glades, like going hunting in high school. Yes, like
a honey bun or a glazed donut stick and a
chocolate mill.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
And you like you like, yeah, you like cinnamon roll.
We don't have one of those.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
We got an old If I was gonna go there,
I should take you should take a nice bite of it.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
And he's an old pumpkin, old fashioned glades.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
I agree, you're you're not. You're not like a flashy
player out on the field. You just get the job done.
It's not like, yah, there's David Andrews out there looking
all swaggy, you know, but it's look at David Andrews.
He's just just absolutely dominating the defenders, doing what he's told.
And that's an old fashioned for Are you an old

(37:58):
fashioned drink guy as well?

Speaker 3 (37:59):
I'll just drink beer. Crowded ginger.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
All right, let's jump in and simple.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Today we're letting David pick this episode's dude.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Who's the dude? Rob, Let's get the AI. Where's the AI?
What's the AI?

Speaker 3 (38:17):
I don't know, David pick. Let's see let's see who.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
On every episode we do a synopsis.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah, no, it is just an AI out there.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
It's chat Jack.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
It's just out there, you know.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
But we do a little reveal of who we're going
to be talking about who we're going to be breaking
down and the player that you picked today.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
So here we go.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Standing six foot three and weighing two hundred and fifty
five pounds, this undrafted full back carved out a hard
nosed NFL career built on grit and versatility. He grew
up in Pennsylvania, starred at Boyer Town High School, where
he earned All League honors as a linebacker, and went
on to play defensive line Brown University, earning All Ivy

(39:03):
League recognition. He was a smart guy. We'll start you
that I shared a room with him my whole career.
Very very smart. I don't think he ever made a mistake. Well,
let's get back to this. In the pros, he switched
to fullback, becoming a pro bowler and three times Super
Bowl champion. He is widely regarded as one of the
premiere fullbacks of all time. Ladies and gentlemen, James Devlin.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Let's get on, James Devlin.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
We gotta ask you why, James Devlin.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
I picked James one because I think he did all
the dirty work and didn't get a lot of the credit.
And that's a fullback kind of like and I feel
like fullbacks, you know, no offense.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Rob.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I do think you were kind of an honorary offensive
lineman the way you locked, but you also made a
lot of big plays. Fullbacks don't make the plays, and
so you really are an honorary offensive lineman. And this
guy just how you approached everything. I used to be
my favorite thing watching him work out, and then we
became really close in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Remember James Evan was just bringing the smell himself. I
need a little pick up. I remember one day I
was done with my workout. You know there's a illegal Now.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
They're not illegal, they just can't be given to you
by the team.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Ooh, that's strong.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
That's what James Devlyn saw all day looking up my
sinuses give you a little shot of life. But yeah, no,
I mean just the way I was passing it on.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Everyone did everything way he attacked the weight room, way
he attacked his career. And I didn't really know how
he got there when I got there, and fifteen.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Didn't know him that well.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
He broke his ankle, remember our leg in Carolina preseason three,
so he was hurt all year, had surgery. So I
just didn't know him and you know. And then twenty
sixteen he was obviously back and I was watching him
and I'm just like, dude, this dude's a psychopath. And
then he actually ended up being my neighbor, which was awesome,
and he had a family. I didn't have kids yet,

(41:00):
but his boys. I love playing with his boys in
the yard, and it was just like, I don't know,
it was awesome to see him as like a dad
in them wrestling and playing.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
And then in.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Twenty nineteen, we both were hurt that year and we
trained together and that was probably the dumbest thing I
ever decided to do. Why this dude. The workouts, this
dude would come up with, So like you guys doing
your own thing. We train at like five am. We
did crazy things, but we both like couldn't because I
had the blood clot so like my training was weird.

(41:29):
He had a neck thing so he couldn't lift heavy.
So we were just doing like weird workouts. But like
we do one in the morning and then after lunch
or like break time before practice.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
He's all getting ready.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
He'd be like, all right, we're gonna do a thirty
minute shadow boxing lesson in the shower.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
In the shower, shower, sauna, sauna much to say, WHOA bye.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I would have been back bye, but he'd be like,
we're gonna a thirty minute lesson in the shower and
then we're gonna go run thirty hills. I'd be like,
dude was dying trying to keep up with this guy.
But it was super fun for me because I didn't
have anything to challenge me that year. So and just
the way the dude cracks skulls like there was.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Nothing like it.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Nothing, just laid it on the line each week for us.
And uh, my favorite thing would be like if we
you know, we'd sometimes start in like twenty one personnel
and then we'd break the five wide and I'll go
to like seventy four and like two times a year,
like they wouldn't cover him or they just like play
off and he catched like an eight yard hitch route.
I used to love that, love it. That used to

(42:31):
get me so fired up. But uh, he just he's
everything you'd want a football player, and everything more importantly
you want in a fullback and in a teammate.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yes, one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
He was a great teammate and I had no idea
how he got to the league until I got to
know him.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, you know, because you just you feel like when.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
You come to the NFL, like it's like, yeah, everyone's drafted,
you know, and that's not always the case. And so
when I started to get to know him, learned, you know,
went to Brown, played DNA there, then went to the
Arena League. I think he played in the UFL, then
Descency and then came to New England and then made
a great career in New England. I mean, that's that's how,

(43:12):
you know, talk about taking advantage of your opportunities. That
was something I was trying to do my rookie year.
Like he lived it all, did it all, uh, you know,
and people were like, oh, yeah, you were undrafted. I'm like, yeah,
it was not as much of a grind as like
someone like this guy afl UFL. Like I went to
the UF what.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Was that for a year and with the dying position
at fullback as well. I shared a room with James
Devlin his whole entire career with New England.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
He was one of the most unselfish players I've ever bet.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
He shared a room with him.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
I mean, I was in the tight end room full back,
but he was in the No. No, we never lived together,
but he was. We were in the same meeting room
from morning tonight. In every single meeting room. It would
start off with the tight ends and we would go
in the offensive room to be with you know, the
wide receiver, with the skilled players, and then we would
be together in the team room. It was James, Devilin

(44:04):
and I in every single room his whole entire career.
And he was the most unselfish player out there, one
of the smartest players as well. I don't think he's
rarely ever made a mistake in his career.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
He's never went to the wrong guy.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
And for example, if I went to the wrong guy,
if I went up to the second level and I
took the wrong linebacker, he would make me right and
make me look good. And I always appreciated that in
the room as well. He never caused any controversy ever,
zero at all. One of the best teammates you can
possibly have, and he also made me a better player

(44:41):
as well. When you were talking about it, yeah, I blocked,
but then I also I got the credit for going
out and making a big play.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
But where did I make all my money?

Speaker 4 (44:49):
I made all my money in the play action game,
and that's when I got the most open because all
the linebackers would step up and then Tom would just
dip it to me and then I would just make
a couple guys miss and get twenty five yards bam
right off the bat like that.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Why was I so open?

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yes, I was blocking.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
You guys were doing your job as well, But when
you have a full back in the game as well,
that you gotta you know, you gotta respect that. You know,
he's gonna bring the heat every single time he's in there,
and he's gonna run full speed downhill and give it
his all and lay his body on the line every time.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
You respect that.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
So every time they would say, oh, James Devlin's in,
it's going to be a run. You know, yeah, why
went they run the ball? One of the best fullbacks
in the league and boom. We would play action off
of that. But he would still go full speed downhill
and it would get me open because the linebackers were
nervous that he was in. So without James Devlin and
you know it like it boosting my stats in the

(45:43):
past game because of him and how hard he went
and how good he was at the full thation.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
You know, as a lineman, we ran a lot of
inside lead plays with James right like him monoy mono
with the linebacker. And I used to always love and
it's not like you could It's hard to explain.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
You guys will know what I'm mean.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
But like when you can fill people around you, so
we run, it'd be a gap day, you gap bru
And so a lot of times I'm at the ponent
of attack, you would feel like a good block and
then you can feel James going by you and you
knew the play the wind. Yeah, you knew the play
was gonna be a good play. You just lost him
because you knew he was gonna go stick that linebacker

(46:20):
and it was going to be a good play.

Speaker 6 (46:22):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
And then honestly, I felt invincible on the goal line
with James, dep like if we did our job, there
was no worry about what was going to happen with James,
devilin and the linebacker, which you know that and that
to me, it's a missing part of the game in
the NFL right now. And I do think you're seeing
it come back a little bit, like there're may be

(46:43):
more tight in ish but like I think San Diego
last year had like two dudes that were like three fiftymore.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Seeing Baltimore do it.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
A little bit like it's coming back that these fullbacks
and they're they're valuable in the run game because it
creates mismatches and I don't know, just you see a
guy in a three point stance in the backfield ready
to go, it's just like it's go time now. And
as offensive linemen, I didn't mind sub runs, but if
we were going to run the ball, I wanted to

(47:10):
have a fullback because it creates especially as an offensive lineman,
when you can put off our defense and base defense,
there's not much they can do, and there's not much
they can do coverage wise, there's not much they can
do to skies wise. So I think it helped out
you guys too, one thousand percent, you know what I mean,
Like you can't run all these substituted fronts with a fullback.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
In the year, there's countless times where because we had
such smart football players James Devlin, where we would be
in a two tight, three tight personnel put him out
wide and it creates such crazy matchups for the two
receivers on the fields. So I mean, he was just
a smart football player that everyone loved. He was never heard,

(47:54):
he was always seen. And I remember when we got
when he moved on and he retired. I told Yack,
I said, hey, bro, go sit down and watch fucking
Dame James Devlin. I want you to watch every every
hit this guy does. He looks like he's concussioning himself
every time he hits. And that's how it has to
look if you want to be a fucking fullback in

(48:16):
this league. I'm sorry, you can't have brain cells. You
need to set the tempo for the fucking offense. Because
when James Devlin got on that field, people knew what
he was serious time.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Anyone can kind of go in and run full speed
out of defender one time and then you walk away like,
oh shit, I ain't ever doing that again. He was
consistent on a daily basis. He never backed down, no matter.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
What, even out every time he.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Was running full speed downhill and absolutely smacking whatever linebacker
it was.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
He never backed down.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
And that's what made him such a great football player
at that position, is never ever ever backing.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
You know what used to piss me off. So we
used to do half line right flying was a war.
They never put a fullback in it half and I
would just be like, please let him get one rep
and watch what happens right now when we don't have
to worry about this linebacker. Watch what happens when James
Devlin walks in there.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
All right, we gotta wrap this and determine what kind
of dude James Devlin is. But before that last question,
what kind of car is James Devlin?

Speaker 1 (49:19):
What kind of car?

Speaker 3 (49:22):
You know?

Speaker 1 (49:22):
I'm not gonna say he's like an old farm truck,
because I think he's a better athlete than that. But
he's like a He's like a nice Ford f one.
I'm a Ford guy, So I'm gonna do this like
a four year old f one, fifty eighty thousand miles
on it, still in good shape, like always dependable, but

(49:45):
like not like flashy, Like not a truck you're like
worried about taking in the mud. You know, can get dirty,
but you can also take your girl out on a date,
clean it up with It's got a little bit of
style to it. But like also you're not worried about
if you go out in the woods with it, I
might get dirty.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
I'll altered it a little bit. You're just saying he's
an F one fifty. I think he might be like
an F three fifty.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
That's a lineman. Though he's probably like an F two
fifty two fifty.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
We'll get it. He went two hundred and fifty pass.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
All right, that's too Yeah, but still like, yeah, you
can not extended cab. He's not that big. No, you
can hook a trailer to it.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
But he can pull that motherfucker the pull he yeah,
strong as can be.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
My favorite James Devlin story and this is not football related,
but this is just who he was. He was running
the marathon like after he retired, and so we're talking.
He was a huge dude, y'all know how he squatted
and lightlifted. We were like, James, you training and he's
like yeah, We're like what are you doing? You know,
like because all these people have all these crazy training
you know, right, it's like you run five, eight, twelve

(50:48):
whatever it is the day before you run like nineteen miles,
So we're like, you trained. He's like, yeah, like you know,
I'm I'm going to I'm I'm training a little bit,
but I'm just still lifting the dude we found out
didn't train at all the marathon, didn't run at all,
and just went out there and crushed the marathon. And
that's James definitely, just like I can do it, mind over,
matter doesn't matter. I'm gonna get the job done, all right,

(51:12):
all right?

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I like that, And so that segues perfect to what
kind of dude is James Devlin? Now, David, we have
five different categories. We have a stud, someone who's had
the pedigree, who was always the guy he's well rounded.
When you see him, he looks like, damn, that guy's
a fucking stud. You got a freak where you look
at those kind of humans, you're like, they're not humans,

(51:33):
they are just like, what the hell is that? That
looks like an animal, a dog. Someone who's relentless, mentally,
physically tough, probably.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Had to go to the long road.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
A whiz, someone who's you know, innovative, he's clutch, he
may have revolutionized something in his type of the game.
Or the dude's dude, which is the guy who's a
glue guy in the locker room. Everyone loves him in
the locker room. Now James Devlin is probably multiple of the.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, I say, I think he's what's most fitting for
the three. There's three that I would be in between
the stud, uh, the dog, and the dude, because I
thought he was a great locker room guy. Like he
just he was always there, dependable, he was all. He
never got too high, too low, you know. So he's calm, cool, collective,

(52:21):
positive attitude. Like I think when you went and worked
out in the weight room with James, you wanted to
go harder, right, you wanted to train harder, you know.
But I think you gotta go the position he played,
how he played the position, his way his career path went.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
You gotta say, dog.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
He's definitely, he's one thousand. He's studs.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
The stud is the guy who's drafted in the first round.
The stud is the guy who was the five stars.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
And I know, I don't think he innovated the game.
What I think he did is honored the game and
played the game the right way by like the people
that came before him. So like he wasn't innovative in
that sense, but he honored those guys because the fullback
had been around for one hundred years, right whatever, But
like he honored those guys the way he played the game.
He was an old school nineteen eighty seventy full back.

(53:15):
But you know, innovation wise, no, but you know he
was a d lineman.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, he went to Brown HENVD to be a football player.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
You know he's a fucking dog on three one two
three dog.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
All right, The chillis Dude of the week. Let's get
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Speaker 4 (53:42):
And the chillis Dude of the week is our friend,
recently New England Patriot retiree David Andrews.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Let's get our notepads, Rob. So this is our segment
where we determine what kind of.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Have a beer man on us.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
You know, you can't drink on beer commercials, you can
drink on podcast. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Here, ain't no fun unless the homeboy gets some cheers,
er cheers. Now, we have a series of questions that
we have on our inner notebhood that we like to ask.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
To figure out what type of dude you are? You
got what type of dude? All right? Beers pretty good podcast.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
It's started off with an easy one. Do you wear
flip flops in the shower?

Speaker 3 (54:28):
No? Athletes never had it.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
No, who's the most famous person in your phone besides Tom?
That's a gimme Kenny Chesney, Kenny Canny. Shoes, Kenny, no shure,
No problems, no problem, no shoes in the shower at all.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Okay, there we go, all right, all right, it makes
it makes sense. It makes what what sports you play
in high school? I quit everything my freshman year, But
I wrestled and play lacrosse my freshman year. But you
played them your freshman year and then you quit them?

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yeah, just football.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Why I needed to work out. I always was a
problem of gaining weight. Yeah, so I needed to work
out and train and going from football straight into wrestling,
straight into lacrosse. Like after wrestling, I'd lose a bunch
of weight because of the conditioning and everything like that.

(55:31):
That I knew lacrosse wasn't gonna take me anywhere. I
was a good wrestler, I wasn't great, And I loved football,
and I wanted to put everything in football and see
where it took me.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Okay, well, we know you're you love physicality because the
common denominator of all those sports is being physical.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Yeah, I quit base I quit baseball because I saw
you could hit people in lacrosse.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Okay, how many college offers did you get? Four?

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Four went to Georgia. Four schools, Vanderbilt, Michigan, Uh, Duke,
and Georgia.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Man, Usually when you only have four scholarships and you
go to like the University of Georgia, it's like three
mac programs, and then you got lucky to get like
that scholarship offer to Georgia. You had like four big
time programs. Yeah, I was like, how did you have
four big time programs?

Speaker 3 (56:22):
But no, whoa whoa, whoa whoa.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
He had two big time programs. We're not putting Duke
in the goddamn big time football program. Yeah too good.
Two Yeah Michigan though, I did when Georgia. Georgia offered
me four days after I got my first offer, and
I told my high school coach, I don't want to
talk to anyone else.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Well, what was what was your college GPA?

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Because that might understand why you had the Vanderbilt high
school high school?

Speaker 3 (56:51):
I think it was like high school. I think I
was like three.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Two three two college high school. I think I was
about three three one in college three ones?

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Why was Duke and Vanderbilt coming after? Was at Yeah SAT.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
When I took the SAT, I only had to get
because of my GPA eight hundred to get into Georgia,
and my dad told me if I didn't get above
a thousand, I was gonna have to take it again.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Yeah, so I made twelve hundred.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
So twelve hundred was that out of the sixteen hundred
twenty four hundred and sixteen? You didn't have the written.
I did have the written both. That was that was
a little younger. That was that was The written was
just kind of starting when I took it. So like
they gave you both scores written so you could submit.
If your written score helped you, you could submit that,
or if it was better without the ridding, you.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Could okay that At a little fun fact, I had
like seven thirty in the math section of the SAT,
and then I had like two ten in the reading section.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
So my numbers.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
You had a seventh three Yeah in the in the
math portion, that's really that's pretty good. What's that eight hundred?

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (57:58):
But then I only had like a eight fifty, So
it wasn't that good In the end.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
That was like I just had to get eight hundred
with my GPA. Yeah, all right, it was what Georgia
told me. What's your go to favorite ice cream flavor?
I'm an ice cream guy, ice cream guy. I wouldn't
say cookies and cream because I don't like how soft
the cookies are in it.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
If I was gonna.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Choose though, like an Oreo blizzard when they're crunchy Oreos
and Auchy likes a little grit.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Like the Oreos put into the blizzard, like right on
the spot.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Yeah, because when you get like cookie like Oreo ice cream.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
There's a little soft get saturated with fat like I like,
I like a crunchy guy knows dairy or butter pecan
something like that. But that's like if I was if
I was going to go to like an ice cream stand,
I'd probably get butter pecan.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Okay, okay, how much can you bench? Heyday?

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Heyday?

Speaker 1 (58:53):
The most I did was three sixty five for three
three sixty five?

Speaker 3 (59:01):
How many surgeries have you had? Three?

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Three? Two shoulders and a pin in my thumb? Oh?
Have you ever been fined?

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (59:16):
For what? And how much? I got? My worst year
was seventeen seventeen, I got, uh four legal cut blocks
in like six weeks, four illegals. So what did that
come up to? It was like forty thou At the
end of the seventeen I tried to blame Dante in

(59:38):
my appeals. Didn't work.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Merton Hanks got you blaming others, all.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Right, because I did. We played Remember we played the Saints.
We ran a screen pass at halftime and I got
a holding penalty and Dante's like, and I had just
gotten fined the week before.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
He's like, why didn't you cut? You? Dumb fuck?

Speaker 1 (59:55):
I told you to cut and so then I just
started cutting everybody and then started getting fined. So when
they the appeal my last one, they weren't very happy.
I was like, look, my line coach told me to CUTZ.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
That's why I cut.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Okay, I get it makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
What was your fastest forty time?

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Uh? I think of pro TOA. It was like five
oh one five.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
One quick for a big guy. Quick? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Two more? Do you have any posters on your wall
when you were a kid?

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Of who of what? Uh? I had Dion and Mike
alstot Deon Sanders yea, Dion and Mike all start and
all stocked.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
So one of the flashiest players and one of the
most hard nosed players to ever play the game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
But he was also an Atlanta, Georgia guy. Yeah, and
Dion was an Atlanta guy. Yeah, so that's I was
a Deon guy too. I was a young guy. I
mean Dion was prime time baby.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
And final question, how do you eat your steak in
what sense? Like a sense?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
I prefer grilled, grilled, state medium rare medium rare rabbi.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Uh, marinated in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
A sauce from the South called Dale's Dale sauce.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
And do you eat the steak with utensils or just
with your bare hands? Are detaining on the setting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
I'll use utensils now. If it's a boning rabbi and
there's still some meat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
On the bone, I'm gonna choose the bone, so you're using.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Your hand now. If we're at a fancy restaurant.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Still I paid.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
My money's green, okay, money money is green. Money is green.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
That's a good point. My girls always like, grab, you're
wearing shorts into this restaurant. I said, yeah, that looks
up my money. They don't want my money somewhere else.
I'll go to the steakhouse next you know, next door.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
If they don't want it, Robbie, let's let's go. Looks
like my four year old trying to write his name
over there.

Speaker 6 (01:01:58):
Man is tough, he does. I mean his money's green.
He's an ice cream guy. Yes, five flat, forty five flat.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
That's not bad. Yeah, let's go there, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Hunt three one two three dog? I think we think
your dog. I mean, undrafted free agent. Wasn't the smartest guy,
wasn't the fastest guy, wasn't the strongest guy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
I did three forty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Five when I was in my heyday, three fifty five
maybe as a bench but loves ice cream. We could
have put you in the dude's dude category because everyone
loved David Andrews. But he was the leader of the line,
you know, he was the leader of men. And the
way he got there to become a leader, being prepared
for his opportunity, fucking going through a lot of adversity

(01:02:49):
through his first few years with injury. At the end
this that you could say it, you're a fucking dog.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
And dogs necessarily don't have the stats on the paper
like at the you know, combine in the fastest forty
being the strongest guy. A dog gets the job done
at all times and is relentless. And that's who you were, David,
as a player.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
I think we had a lot of dogs on our teams,
had a lot. I look at our teams, you know,
like even you know you two are superstars, right, but
you did what the team needed. Like why I respect
it guys like you so much is because you guys,
you would go block safeties and you would do what
you needed for our football team, even though that wasn't
what's best for Julian. You rob all the blocks. I mean,

(01:03:32):
twenty eighteen, we couldn't not have you. Like when you
left and I figured out what you did for our team,
I mean I knew, but when you weren't there and
seeing that from the tight end position, I mean unreal.
So you know, I just think I look at our
football teams. It was easy to learn how to be
a dog because that's what we were. That's what those
guys were. The guy's a fucking Georgia dog. He's this dog.

(01:03:55):
He's all dog. Yeah, he's all dog.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Well, love my dogs.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
Coming on, dudes on, dudes, man, we appreciate everything you
did as a football player as well. You're a champion
for life and we're all champions and Super Bowl champions
together forever.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Hell Ya, hellya. Thanks for having me boys.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
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Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
David, Thank you so much. Everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Go check out the Quick Snap podcast Wednesdays on NBC
Sports Boston with David Andrews and Brian Hoyer. They give
some great insight. I've watched a bunch of you guys
on social media. I love watching you succeed. Check them
out on Instagram at Bear Underscore sixty sixty and David

(01:04:47):
Andrews sixty one on X anything else to plug.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
No, we got to get you on Gronk's been on.
I know, yes, I gotta get that Quick Snap podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I don't live over here in my kitchen.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
I'm the college just answering all the questions, having a
good time. And Hoyer on the low obviously, you know,
because he was a quarterback, he has a lot of
great insight backup quarterback too, so he sees it all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
It's kind of like I think the guys like with McAfee,
like he was a punter, so he got to see
everything from a distance, from a distance, but inside Hoyer,
he's the quarterback. You get to see everything in but
you're also not in it, like you're not like you're
not playing, but you have to be prepared to play.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
But you get this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
His mind is not like Tom's every week where he's
worrying about everything. He's worrying about the quarterback and what's
going and watching the team. To communicate to Tom.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Oh line is such a bubble, right, like the skill guys.
You guys all do stuff together. There was a lot
of meetings where you guys had where we were not
in stuff, you know, seven on sevens, whatever, things on
the bench, like we're down there at the very end,
sitting with ourselves, our little you know, going back to
Jimmy neutron our nucleus, and then you guys are like
one big group. So it's like very interesting because there's

(01:06:02):
a lot of things he says that I don't remember
because we were down here worried about we were doing
you know. So that's been fun so but appreciate you
guys having me no problem.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
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