October 23, 2025 • 39 mins
This week on Earsay, Audible's second season of the thrilling original series The Prophecy, where biblical stories collide with a present-day apocalyptic thriller.
Kal sits down with show creator Randy McKinnon to discuss how he reimagined scripture for a contemporary audience, blending Old and New Testament figures into a high-stakes chase across a crumbling world. McKinnon reveals how the pandemic shaped his writing, explains his deeply personal relationship with biblical storytelling, and shares insights into the show's powerhouse cast including Kerry Washington, Lawrence Fishburne, and Giancarlo Esposito.
Together, they explore the challenges of writing for audio, the redemptive themes woven throughout the series, and why faith-driven narratives resonate in times of chaos.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, Welcome to Earsay, the iHeart and Audible Audiobook Club,
where each episode we dive into a different audible title
with your favorite podcast hosts and special guests. I'm Keel Penn,
the author of You Can't Be Serious, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Ed Helm's, host of the Snapoo podcast and also author
of the Snapho book. Oh, and I also read the
Snapoo audio book.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I also read my audio book. It is funny that
not everybody does.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, yeah, no, but we're legit. We're rolling old school.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
The new season of snaffoh is rolling out right.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, it is, Thank you so much, and I'm super
excited about this season because there's a little format update.
As snafuo fans will know, it's a deep dive into
some historical screw ups. This season. I'm bringing on guests
and I walk my guests through a brand new historical
screw up every episode and it's just incredibly fun. It's
(01:08):
been a blast so far. And congrats to you, my friend,
because your podcast just came out this week.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Thank you. Yes, it's called Here we Go Again, which
you are an executive producer on, and we look at
things like the new Space Race with my friend Bill
Nye or why things keep collapsing with my friend Pete Boodhagic.
So we have all these conversations with people about things
in history or pop culture summer obviously very silly. Others
(01:36):
are are kind of dire, but why they keep repeating themselves?
And so the hope is that we do it in
a way that's uplifting and hopeful and kind of fun,
which you know these days, I feel like is a good.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Thing and also incredibly informative. And I think you have
a very uplifting voice.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I don't use this voice in the podcast. I use
a very I use it very raspy, weird. This is
the voice welcome to here we go again.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That's a strange Joyce. Thanks, it's honestly, it's off putting.
But if I support you, thank you for your unconditional
or somewhat conditional support. Well, let's turn to our story
for today, Fabulous. We're jumping into a heart pounding world
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ravaged by natural disasters and unexplainable weather events, where the
stories of the Bible are not allegorical or historical, they're
a prophecy for things that will take place today. We're
discussing season two of the Audible original series The Prophecy. Ooh,
that's a loaded title.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Not only is a title loaded, this is a high
stakes chase across a crumbling world. If you know season one,
you know this full of divine guidance, political intrigue, global conspiracies,
and characters that are ripped right out of the Bible
with some kind of subtle and other times not so
subtle changes. So if you haven't listened to this season yet,
(03:06):
you should pause this. By the way, if if you've
not listened, this is just all going to be spoilers.
Go listen to season two and then come back. And
if it's been a while since you checked out the
first season of The Prophecy, let me catch you up
real quick.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Season one centers around a pregnant woman plagued by prophetic
visions named doctor Virginia Edwards played by the incredible Kerry Washington.
She seeks out a federal agent named Scott Thomas played
by Laurence Fishburn. She claims that all of these global
catastrophes and weather events are part of some ancient prophecy,
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and Agent Thomas is doubtful. You could call him a
doubting Thomas Virginia and Agent Thomas meet other people right
out of the Bible, like Daniel and Jonah. Virginia gives
birth to a healthy son named Joshua, which is notable
because it wasn't medically possible for her to conceive and
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the baby only just stated for seven weeks. By the
end of the season, Agent Thomas has accepted that Virginia
and her baby are central to some kind of real prophecy.
Then we step into season two. The world is in chaos,
Virginia is on the run with Joshua. A man named
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Moses has revealed that billionaire presidential candidate Luther Bell is
the leader of a shadowy cult and the main threat
to Virginia.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Hi, Virginia, do you know who I am?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Luther Bell? You're a fascinating woman. You don't know me.
All I want is to get to know you.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I mean, first of all, Kerry Washington is always impeccable.
Of course, the sound design in this show, especially this season.
Hear it in the voices, right, the depth that was
of that that sounded evil?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yes, right, yes, And that's Luther Bell is played by
young Carlo Esposito. Correct, there was kind of a gene
Hackman vibe there.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Oh totally.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Who's played some great villains, great heroes too, But of
course these performances are exciting.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
They're exceptional. So Virginia and the allies she's collected set
out on a desperate global journey to flee the relentless
pursuit of this Luther Bell.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
How how can so many people miss the truth about
the prophecy? My son wasn't born to be the puppet
for a rich man's cult. Joshua is here to unite us.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Bell won't rest until he has Joshua. You need to
get ready.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Whoa yeah, Bell giving strong Harod vibes there, This is exciting.
Cal take it away, my friend, and I will take
it away this one. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So for this one, we had to go to the source,
the prophecies creator a Randy McKinnon. Randy, welcome to yours.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Say thanks for having me, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, of course. Where are you joining from today?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I'm in Los Angeles? Okay, what about yourself?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
My former home? I went to UCLA undergrad. I'm in
New York.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Oh nice, that's my other home. I went to Syracuse so.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oh nice, Okay, cool, Okay, before we get into it.
This is more of a personal curiosity. But what are
you reading or listening to right now?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I started actually Project Hill Mary recently Andy Ware. Obviously
they're doing a movie right now, but I always wanted
to check it out, and so I'm finding time to
dive into that one that's been really exciting. Another that
I like, it's actually the one called Someone Like Us.
Why This is riter at Denal and Getsu and it's
like about this journalist. He's like the son of these
Ethiopian immigrants and hecky into like this crazy complicated history.
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It's a bit dark, but it's really really good read.
Those have been my latest reads that I've been diving into.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Cool nice mine is I'm halfway through, but it's called
The Perfect Scent of It and it's about the perfume industry.
But it's written by a New York Times style author,
so it doesn't read technically, and half the story follows
Sarah Jessica Parker launching her own cologne. But then the
other half of it is very technical about how perfume's
coming together. It's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
That's really cool.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I'm gonna ask a bonus question that's kind of a
version of this too. Do you remember what you were
reading or listening to when you created the prophecy?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Ooh, interesting enough.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
You know I actually created this during the pandemic, so
I was listening to Doctor Fauci actually, and all the
madness that was happening in our world, you know that
seemed to have no around my reason. What I will
say though, is when I started thinking of the prophecy
and was diving into it. There's this book that I
had for a while, but I didn't really dive into
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it fully until this time.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I had so much time during the pandemic.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
But it was called a Righteous Discontent by Evelyn Higginbotham,
and it really kind of breaks down the role that
black women had and shaping the Baptist Church essentially through
activism both politically and theologically too. And I was like,
I know, you worked with the Obama administration, so you
know this history intimately. But I'm from the South originally,
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so the church in so many ways serves like a
multitude of purposes for me and my community growing up,
So like summer school, vacation, Bible school, you know, for
some people, actual school. But I think it was just
like a fascinating breakdown of just how influential these black
women were in shaping our society. And so, for those
that know, the premise of the Prophecy is centered around
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a black woman in Carrie Washington, who becomes this essential
peace in the fight for humanity, right, but deep down,
it actually became a way for me to sort of
recognize this contribution that I I think you're reading. That
book really really opened my eyes to even more.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
That kind of gave me chills a little bit. I
did not anticipate as much as I know before we talked.
I didn't recognize the pandemic part of it. And the
episodes are obviously so vivid and in some ways so
post apocalyptic is the wrong word, I think for what
I'm trying to say, But anyway, the point is I
was here in New York City during the whole pandemic,
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and so many people in certain zip codes were able
to leave because they had the financial means, and so
I just remember taking walks through some of those neighborhoods
and feeling really eerie. Then walking through places like Times
Square that are always packed and no New Yorkers actually
go there usually, but when you walk through if you're
going for a walk, seeing how desolate it was, I
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didn't recognize why some of your episodes, especially for season two,
felt familiar. And I know that's a weird thing to
say because it's all audio, but hearing you just talk
about the pandemic gave me that sense memory again and
kind of tied it into what I was listening to.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Yeah, I mean, it's sometimes even listening back to it now,
it's sort of wild, like you know, you kind of
timestamp the places you are creatively when you're having these conversations.
And it was such a unique time because when I
was writing this, there wasn't, you know, a vaccine.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
There wasn't an end in sight.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
There wasn't there wasn't a strategy, there wasn't a plan
of action. It was more reactionary. We were all trying
to understand what was even happening. And so for those
who listened to the first season, but even a second season,
you kind of recognize that, like, oh, that's literally the
trajectory of our characters in the story is that they
all sort of like you, standing in a space that
was so familiar but now feels so unfamiliar and that's
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such a unique space because I've worked on shows that
were apocalyptic, you know. I've worked on the show on
Apple called Invasion about alien invasions, and so I've dove
into those worlds, but this was the first time it's
actually like, you know, Ariumtag's life where I'm actually like,
oh no, it actually is apocalypt outside right now. So
it makes the writing a bit different, But it did
feel like it came from an honest place that I
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think really helped it in the long run.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, that origin story is interesting, and so you created
the show, you wrote it, you served as executive producer.
I have to imagine that, and you just talked about
how kind of the story came to you. But I
would imagine that stories from the Bible have been in
your life for a long time. What's your relationship been
to the Bible since you were a kid man?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
You know, I grew up in the church, so I
had to know the Bible very intimately, but creatively. Always
wanted to reimagine the Bible. So when I first started
writing and got into this industry and broke in, I
was always something in the front of my mind. I
just always wanted to find the right way in I
wanted to create a cinematic universe like Marvel, buffer Biblical
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stories like said in present day. And you know, I
have like a unapologetic belief. I say, like, I believe
the Bible is like the greatest text and on the man,
I think it has the greatest protagonist, and Jesus, I
think has the greatest antagonist, has the greatest recurring characters.
Some writers wear about Shakespeare, and I do too it
to an extent, But the Bible for me is like
the pinnacle of storytelling.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
And so that literally from the onset.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
It was such a unique experience of taking all these
Bible studies to memorize all the books. It was just
you know, all those things, and I finally be able
to traumatize it in a way. Was such a really
cool experience. And so my relation to the Bible is
extremely close. It's extremely intimate, extremely personal for me.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It sounds into me even for those of us who
didn't grow up in that environment. I remember, you know,
my grandparents were very secular, but in this sense of
like they grew up Hindu and Jaine in India and
lived through in sort of fought against British colonialism, And
so when we were growing up, the stories that we
would hear were very pro faith in a way that
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I sadly haven't heard much nowadays. But it was things like, oh,
you're friends in writting you to go to church, you
have to go. Your friends abutting you to go to
a mosque or your synagogue or whatever. The grandparents would
be like, you have to go. And then in tenth grade,
I remember we were reading in my honors English class,
thank you. It was the Bible as literature, and I
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remember a couple of students who did not share my
view or my upbringing. We're like, why do we have
to read this? What about suparation of church and state?
And I thought that was so it was such a
weird thing, like, well, first of all, we're reading it
as this incredible story that it obviously is. I feel
like that's fairly it's fairly objective, even if you're just
like approaching it from a business perspective. Look at the
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sales numbers of the Bible last year, like you should
read the book, you know. But anyway, after all of
that kind of drama around, it was gone and we
really got into it. It was ironic. I thought that we
were reading it intimately in a public school setting in
a way that I thought really compliment to the times
that my friends would invite me to the more religious
affairs and services and things like that. So it was
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very cool to get those sides of it. But it
was not until I started listening to this that I
remembered some of that intimacy too, because so much of
that intimacy is feeling for my friends who have grown
up in the faith, and so getting that feeling I
thought was cool. And then I also was like, Okay,
so obviously Virginia is a marry analog, which is New Testament.
Most of her allies Moses, Daniel Sampson, Delilah our Old Testament. Joshua,
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Virginia's baby shares the name of a book from the
Old Testament, but he's also a christ like figure. Were
they separated out like that intentionally?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Yes, it was intentional, and I think partly because I
really wanted to set the tone and the boundaries for
I would say my creative license on the project, you know,
because I think and I don't want to make it
clear like I have no intent or believe that the
Bible needs to rewrite of anything. I sort of look
at it like a family recipe that's passed down from generations,
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you know, like the ingredients may shift around a bit
as you know, you discover new techniques, but usually what
you want to capture is sort of like I like
to call it the ratitude evite, you know what I mean.
At the end, it's like, you know, it's really that nostalgia, right,
It's that feeling that you said, like, oh, I recognize that.
I recognize the feeling in that I recognized thematically what
that is, and that, to me, honestly is what makes
the Bible so special to me and why I felt
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it was such a great piece of IP to dive
into because it really allows us to have an individual
experience with it. And so the mix of the Old
and New Testament, because it's present day, I felt there
was an opportunity that I could bring them all in
and kind of rewrite those rules. Obviously, if it were
a period piece, I think it may calls for more restraint.
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I think the only thing I would say, the only
hard line that I really have for the show was
actually using the name Jesus. And if you kind of
go through the show, you'll realize, like the characters don't
necessarily say the name Jesus, and I didn't want to
make Jesus a character, and they were just something that
felt too powerful.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And sort of reverenced kind of right the name.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I remember like the show air, you know, they never
showed Michael Jordan at you never showed his face, and
I remember asking the producer on anybody, I don't know,
it's just like you can't really reimagine. I could like
he already has a space and I kind of look at, yeah,
Jesus in that same way. So you know, the Hebrew
name of the Lord is Joshua, and it's like, so
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that's why Carrie carry Washington. We felt that was sort
of the best name to land on. And so those
are some of the ways in which we wanted to
take and kind of reset the rules so that the
listeners aren't saying.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Well, wait is that though.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
It's like, Okay, we can kind of take a step
back and say, Okay, we're enjoying this. He's going to
bring these thematics and he's going to bring this world
to us, like you said, in a way that we
can digest it today.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Carrie is incredible. You just mentioned Kerry Washington, the prophecy. Overall,
you have serious star power in this. Carrie stars as Virginia.
Lawrence Fishburne is agent Thomas. John Carlo Esposito is Luther Bell,
the billionaire, mastermind, bad guy. He's very good at being sinister. Yes,
did you have any of these roles cast in your
head as you were writing that ship? Did that all
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happen afterwards?
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Kerry Washington was actually the first name that I brought
up to the producers when I pitched it. She's obviously
incredibly talented, but I think her relatability was something that
I felt the role needed, and so I realized that
you needed someone who can play I like to say,
you know, you know the black swan and the white Swan. Right,
It's like, who can kind of go into all those
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different elements, Right? This story really has a pretty complex
character journey.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
There's this woman in Virginia and our protagonist who coming
into this world, you know, she doesn't want children, and
then you have a woman who understands the joy of
motherhood and desires that, right, and so she's playing both sides,
and in many ways, both sides have to be right,
because they are in real life, right until to have
someone sort of wrestling that, you need to have a
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character who can really come to both places with empathy.
And so Carrie, you know, she's done that over her career.
I think that relatability factor, right, I think really good
act as they have it.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Cali, I think you know not too, Johne. I think
you have that quality.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I mean I'll listen to it, you know.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Like look, I think, like you know, one of your
movies in my back on the shelf. So it's like
to find success in the industry, especially in a film,
an avid movie, but to still find a way to
feel relatable on screen. I think it's a grossly underrated quality.
And so Carrie was the first person we went to.
Actually she said yes, and she's been so instrumental in
this and every you know and everyone else. To be honest, like,
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I tried not to cast him in my head because
it's a podcast, so the budgets aren't the same. But
I couldn't help but see Lawrence Fishburn's character from Contagion,
like literally as I was writing Agent Thomas in this,
and so he was one that came in and just
with John Carlo, like especially in the second season. I
know obviously people think breaking bad and he plays bad
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really well, but I think it would make that character
so great was that he again was so relatable, he
felt so normal, and honestly I thought of and out
for the Spike zo the right thing. It was just
like that range is like I think that character needs that,
and then like to see him connect to the story,
and I remember him just recording it just was like
like wow, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It was just kind of pitching myself moment.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
When you were writing for this it's an audio only medium,
I would imagine, well, I don't want to put words
in your mouth. I wrote a book a couple of
years ago, and when I was recording the audiobook version
of it, I ran into a couple of challenges because
my book has pictures in it, and most of them
are pretty self deprecating. It's like me when I was thirteen,
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and how ridiculous I looked, and like things that that
kind of accentuated a joke that I would put in writings.
When I was recording the audiobook version of it, we
had to figure out like do I describe it? Do
I just say just google this picture, like go to
my Instagram and you'll see it or what. So for me,
it was challenging to not be able to rely on
the visuals. Was it like that for you in doing
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it audio only from the beginning where it's not meant
to be read, And did it activate any other storytelling
muscles in the process.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah, that's you know, like it kind of brings up flashbacks.
You know, it was a struggle in the beginning. The
Prophecy was my first time writing for this medium, and
as someone who predominantly writes screenplays, which is literally a
visual format, initially it was very difficult because I would
kind of see things visually and then allow that to
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tell the story, and in this space it's literally the
complete opposite, and so in doing so it was a challenge,
but it was It was a great challenge because I
would say, like the muscle that I really learned, it
really heightened my sense of just space and like using
time and sound, and like my senses felt so heightened.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Like you know, I used to do this exercise when
I wrote it.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I had someone literally read my script out loud, so
they would read the Prophecy scripts out loud to me,
and I would have my eyes closed. I would close
my eyes, and so the goal was that while I
was listening, you know, with my eyes closed, it had
to feel as though they were open with the imagery
and the flow. And so it'll be a mo where
it's like, Okay, you have characters on the train, and yeah,
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these sequences are happening in your mind. When you're writing,
I see it, but when someone's listening, you don't. And
so to be able to kind of listen to those
action sequences and get to the point where it's like, oh,
I'm vividly seeing it even as I'm hearing it, that
was sort of the goal, and interesting enough, it actually
helped my writing. When I even went back to the
standard sort of TV and film, it actually helped heighten
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it even more because I felt like my awareness was
extremely poiint at that point.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
The sound design made everything feel really intimate. I listened
to audiobooks and podcasts, but I hadn't quite listened to
something like this that made me feel an intimacy with
the story. Right when you're listening to a memoir or
a firsthand podcast, like a podcast interview, it's different because
of course there's intimacy there because you just feel like
you're one of the friends in a conversation. The intimacy
here felt different. I already told you about the weird
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flashbacks to not realizing the COVID of it. All, Right,
what was the process that sound designing like? And then
are there moments in the finished product that stand out
to you as a reflection of the audio works that
your team did?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
So I directed the first season, but we brought in
two creatives, Malachi and one of our writers, DeAndre, who
I think really took my vision out off for season
two and ran with it.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
And one of the first.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Meeting we had was a sound design meeting, and some
of the references I remember us having coming into the
season was like the Book of Eli, like Doune, Children
of Men. How can we take these epic sort of
sound design elements and to really really infuse it into
this story in a way, and like, you know, this
is in many ways, this is a road trip thriller, right.
Season two is a road trip thriller in many ways,
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which differs from season one. And so the goal that
I kind of set out for the team was like,
how can we take and elevate the story and to
keep it for netic and to keep it feel like
it's in movement. And so season two, I wanted to
feel kinetic. I wanted to feel that something was always
hovering over them, that there was this impending sort of
crisis that was always at stake. And so the team
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did an amazing job and I'm excited everyone to hear it.
And I think, you know the train sequences, I would
say sit out to me the most, and people hear
it on the first episode of the second season, especially
going into the second episode, it is really really exciting.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I'm a as an actor, especially big fan of like
psychologically complicated relationships. I just saw this movie Twinless last night.
Excellent Dilan O'Brien, fantastic actor.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But it was.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
All a total non secular just it was a very
psychologically complicated one of the characters, without giving anything away,
psychologically complicated. Here, I want to talk about Virginia's husband,
Ryan Oh Ryan so Yes. In the first season, he's
skeptical that his wife became pregnant by immaculate conception, which
you know fair. In season two, he buys into Luther
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Bell and betrays Virginia. Eventually he comes around. I found
him to be a hard guy to like, fair enough.
What I'm wondering is, did you dislike him as you
were writing him. What was the experience of writing somebody
that complicated?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, you know, poor Ryan.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
It's funny you address that because I have so many
people that has the same sort of feelings that you have.
But I guess to answer your question, it was a
complicated question, right, And which is why I like his
character so much, because you know, at first I was like, dang,
he just turns on her when she needs him the most.
And then like I was like, you know, let's take
a step back and Ryan land for a second. You
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kind of stated it right that he went through the journey.
It's like this, his wife just appeared saying, Hey, I'm
pregnant and it's not yours.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
It's right.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
And that's that that alone, right on the surface, right,
if you think of in present day context, right, But
deeper than that, especially in season two, when you think
about all the other characters that's around him, Ryan is
the only one who doesn't have a direct premonition from God,
so everyone else kind of comes in from Moses or
there's Virginia saying, hey, God places on my hard to
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do you know. So it's almost like sitting in a
circle of everyone else having this sort of awakening and
realization and you have to just say, trust him, right,
And so he's just trusting his wife who just had
a baby, claiming maclcxception and that she's also you know Mary.
And so for Ryan, he in many ways was the
most vulnerable, and he always was from the start. And
I think that what makes Luther Bell's character in this
(25:24):
as an antagonist, I feel, a really great antagonist. You know,
they can find the weak spots, they can find the
cracks in the armor. And he knew that for Virginia,
she was growing this very fierce protector over her child,
and so he had to find a ways to get
in right. How does he infiltrate person right? And Ryan
was the most vulnerable, His faith was the weakest, and
(25:46):
so I wanted to give him a human reaction because
that was part of the challenge of this series, was
really thinking about it in present day. Can I believe that,
like you know, there are some people that would find
the events of what happened about but to be crazy,
And there's a lot of husbands that would really struggle
with accepting getting You know that Virtinia's handing him right, right,
(26:08):
So I think it's okay to not like his decision.
But at the same time, I just asked that we
also take a step back and to see what he's
being asked to accept m And I think when you
kind of look at it from that way, it becomes
an interesting sort of dilemma for him.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
By the way, I'm not saying you have to like anybody.
I mean I was on a show called House for
a couple of seasons, and generally speaking, if you look
at the quadrants of what studios say we need in
terms of likability, House is not necessarily a likable person,
but that's what makes him watchable at all. So I'm
not suggesting that anybody needs to be likable. The compound
(26:46):
in New Orleans serves as a safe haven for all
those the system failed. Yeah, what was the inspiration behind
this community?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
This show?
Speaker 5 (26:56):
In many ways, and it's always been for me at
his core, It's been a show about a second chance.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
You know, whether as small as our characters is Moses.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
As people will learn in season two, even you sort
of get to understand his true backstory.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Even with Virginia.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
It was really important for these characters to be people
who are in search of a second chance in some way, right,
even the world itself is searching for a second chance
or reset.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
And so it was honestly one.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Of the storylines and conceits that I would say it
was the most personal for me because I tend to
live in optimism. That's that sort of my default, and
I try to believe that something even challenging can be changed,
you know, I look, I think if not, it kind
of taints my very own existence, right, It's like I
have to exist me as a filmmaker. Part of the
(27:45):
is too spark and promote change in some way, even
if a small kernel, And so I'm often drawn to
redemptive characters who's either misunderstood searching for a second chance.
And I have to say that this safe Haven represent
in it that in many ways, it's an allegory of hope,
that there's a place that people can call home. And
(28:07):
for me specifically, it was Louisiana in the South, because,
as I mentioned, I'm from the South, and so the
South has some really different perspectives and beliefs that I
don't necessarily agree with, but it's also home. It's also
home to my family, and in many ways it's my
safe haven for me.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Right.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
I know that although I'm out in LA thousands of
miles away, I know that at the end of the day,
I can always go back and my family will always
embrace me, They'll always fill my cup.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And so for me, it was sort of my way of.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Expressing the complicated love story that I do have with
the South personally.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
That's very cool. Where's your family from?
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Yeah, so we've all lived in between Florida and Georgia. Yeah,
so all my family is down in the South, up
and down.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Do you go home a lot?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I try to, but yeah, I go home off them.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
My parents are in Atlanta, and so I try to
go home often between you know, with the Jacksonville, Miami
and then all through through Georgia. So I try to
get home a bit. But you know, everyone sort of
liked la.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Oh, yeah, they visit you.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yeah exactly, So it kind of changed a bit where
everyone's like trying to come to I'm like, I'll come
at home.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
They're like, no, actually we'll come to you.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
You see them though.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
That's nice of course of course.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Okay, we're going to take a quick break, but we'll
be right back.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
We're going to do a few quick rapid fire questions
in a segment that we're calling a plot twist, and
this one's based on the incredible world that you've created,
so really heavily biased questions.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I think.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You mentioned Moses. Moses can hot wire cars, which is
very useful, especially during a global cataclysmic scenario. What skills
do you have or would you like to have in
a post disaster world?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Yeah, I would rather say what skill I would like
to have. I would want the digestive system of a
crocodile or something. It sounds so random, but it's like
I can eat anything and survive. That's part of what
I feel like I would deal with now because I
have like allergies and like food sensitivities. I'm like, man,
I'll tap out so fast, like living in that world,
so like for me, it'll be like I can literally
digest and eat anything, and so like I would probably,
(30:29):
which is a not I say it a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
It's a very selfish sort of perspective, but I mean.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I mean, we're talking at the end of the world.
You kind of you can be selfish.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Every person on there is like I'm just gonna grab
myself of my family, and it's like, look, I could
digest anything, so you can put me in a while.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Okay, if you could choose just one of your characters
to be with you as an ally in this health scheme,
who would it be?
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Oh, that's easy, Joshua, because that's that's the safest bet
in this show.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Nothing doesn't happened to Joshua. So touch me with the
baby like a Chilian.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
I always say, the camera man never dies, so like, gosh,
was the cameraman to me?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Right? So I'm tied to the camera there, all right.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Luther Bell is maybe a personification of the devil, but
you got to hand it to him. He makes a
compelling case for his new world order that ends crime
and war and prejudice. Is there ever a bad guy
in a movie or a book or an audio drama
that makes you think, huh, that guy has a point?
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean one thousand percent. I think a
few come to mind. I would say, like three, let's
let go three. I would say the first is the
Joker from specifically The Dark Knight.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Mm hmm, by the way, I'm an interrupting for a second.
It's funny you said that because I when I was
looking through our questions for our conversation, I thought of
Batman because the difference between like the purity of a
superman and the going out of your way to spare
any innocent people is just not there in Batman, particularly
in specific iterations of it. Yeah, and you kind of
(32:03):
got to be like, well, I guess that's okay too,
but anyway ahead, it's tough.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
No, it's a tough buy.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
And I think, like for me, if I started to
almost find myself green and siding with a lot of
what he Fleder specifically his character did, so I would say,
I would say the Jokers one. Another one I would
say is probably kill Monger from the First Black Panther.
Kill Monger was a really, really great one because it
just it represented so much and I think it just
(32:30):
tapped into such a global debate that's happened, especially the
black community. Then I always thought, like, you know, might
killed that role. And so that's the second and the
other one. I'll probably say it whil is be a
little different. It's we all probably know it as a
movie but obviously I would say from a book, I
would say Jaws. I would say Jaws like the actual shark,
(32:51):
like the actual shark to me. And I thought about
this a lot. And it's funny you say that because
we have these talks about intact all the time, and
I thought about this a while back. And if you
really think about a shark. For the most of the year, right,
people trash and pollute your home, right like dangle, they're
ugly feeding your water, they play loud music, right, the
boats and motors. Some even hurt your family and turn
their teeth and the necklaces.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
So like when you really.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Think about just like a shark is like it's not
like sharks can walk, So it's like they're knocking on
our doors, coming to bother us, like we're actually going
out to them, and then we villainize them at the
same time.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yes, they're a fish, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
So it's like we jumped into the home and kind
of are telling them how they should.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Operate, which is very human like of us.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
But yeah, I would say I would say Jaws is
probably my most unexpected villain that I actually understand more
because I as somebody who doesn't go into water.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Because of that reason, I side with the sharks.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
And you just floored me because you made a very
compelling guess for that. There's a wow. Okay, all right,
I just have two more best words to live by
from this season A favorites.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Yeah, you know, I do.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
And we were actually working on the trailer for this
and there was a line that Virginia says, and she says, like,
we walk by faith and not by sight. And I think,
interesting enough, obviously even with this man the podcast usually
not seeing it, but I think just true to what
this world is and true to life. It really tests
(34:18):
your sense of belief and faith and sort of like
not being able to see what's on the other side
of the.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Door, but to walk through it anyways.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
And I think it really pushes that sense of courage,
and that's what Virginia really represents for not only this
world in these characters, but there's a lot of uncertainty,
so you have to have that strong belief in something
better being on the other side of the door. And
so I would say those words for this season, for
her journey, you know, for the journey of season two especially,
(34:48):
they're headed to a place that's said to be the
Promised Land, but we don't know if it actually is
or not.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I like that and I like that it's hopeful. All right,
I'll end with a version of what I started with,
what's next on your reading list? And what's one audiobook
or traditional reading recommendation?
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Oh? Good question, next time I reading list.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Actually, the book comes in tomorrow actually, and it's called
Until August. It's by Gabrielle Marquez iviously, the famous Columbian
author who you know obviously has passed. It's not like
one hundred years of Solitude and Loving the time of
the Colera. And it's the one that I'm excited to
read because it's just came out last year, I believe, actually,
so it came out posthumously, and so I'm excited to
(35:32):
read that. That would say, that'd probably be my next
read and the thing that I'm looking forward to listening
to next. Speaking of a new audible project, I should
be smarter now about Terra.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I'm actually excited to check that out.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Yeah, it's like it basically lets us into our creative
process and all this stuff. And I'm obviously a really
big support of Lisa, and I love everything that she's
she's doing and has done, and so I think it'd
be great to live in her brain for a bit.
So I think that's actually probably audio or book, which
everyone will phrase it as that.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I'm really excited to check out.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Awesome, right on, Brandy, this has been great. I especially appreciate.
I feel like you're such an empathetic person, which is rare,
but especially when you're in that awkward position of having
to talk about something that you've created, right, like to
be able to do it because people who just listen
don't know that. Sometimes for us that feels a little awkward.
(36:24):
Like you obviously want to do it because it's your
job and you're proud of your work. But to do
it in a way that's also thoughtful and empathetic I
think is rare. So thank you for thank you, Thank
you for sharing that part of you.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
It's just nice having you on ears. Say so, thanks man,
nice to talk to you.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Likewise, this is great experience and great gay talking to you.
And this is like a nice little Pinchman moment as well.
I'm just living in these pinch mean moments man, So
this is this is quite easy to be empathetic and oh, you.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Know, to get these experiences in life.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Thanks man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I am so happy that I got to talk to
Randy McKinnon.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
That's insane.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
You got the creator of the show.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
That is so cool.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
What an awesome interview that was. I love how he
thought about sound design.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I was geeking out over both that and about the
degree to which the characters reflect those in the Bible
the ways in which they maybe won't. He was just
so eloquent, and he just sounds like such a centered person.
It was very very cool to hear how he put
this together.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I'm going to give you full credit for that. Cal
I think you brought all of that out of him.
Oh man, brilliant interview skills.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
The first thing to tell you is an act. When
somebody compliments you, you just have to say thank you.
You can't litigate whether you think it's true or not.
So thank you, Ed, You're welcome, Thank you very much,
and thank you for tuning into this episode of Earsay,
the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. On our next episode,
we'll dive into the new audiobook Night People, How to
(37:57):
be a DJ in nineties New York City. It's a
memoir written and read by the record producer and songwriter
Mark Ronson. And we have a very exciting guest drummer, producer,
writer Questlove Get the heck out of here. Yeah, I mean,
(38:19):
how cool is that?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
It's epic, That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I'm very excited to talk to him and what is
such a sweet guy. So that episode is coming Thursday,
November sixth If you had fun with us today on
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Speaker 2 (38:40):
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Speaker 1 (38:49):
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Speaker 2 (39:02):
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Speaker 1 (39:18):
Slash ear say until next time, Thanks for listening.
Hey, Welcome to Earsay, the iHeart and Audible Audiobook Club,
where each episode we dive into a different audible title
with your favorite podcast hosts and special guests. I'm Keel Penn,
the author of You Can't Be Serious, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Ed Helm's, host of the Snapoo podcast and also author
of the Snapho book. Oh, and I also read the
Snapoo audio book.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I also read my audio book. It is funny that
not everybody does.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, yeah, no, but we're legit. We're rolling old school.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
The new season of snaffoh is rolling out right.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, it is, Thank you so much, and I'm super
excited about this season because there's a little format update.
As snafuo fans will know, it's a deep dive into
some historical screw ups. This season. I'm bringing on guests
and I walk my guests through a brand new historical
screw up every episode and it's just incredibly fun. It's
(01:08):
been a blast so far. And congrats to you, my friend,
because your podcast just came out this week.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Thank you. Yes, it's called Here we Go Again, which
you are an executive producer on, and we look at
things like the new Space Race with my friend Bill
Nye or why things keep collapsing with my friend Pete Boodhagic.
So we have all these conversations with people about things
in history or pop culture summer obviously very silly. Others
(01:36):
are are kind of dire, but why they keep repeating themselves?
And so the hope is that we do it in
a way that's uplifting and hopeful and kind of fun,
which you know these days, I feel like is a good.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Thing and also incredibly informative. And I think you have
a very uplifting voice.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I don't use this voice in the podcast. I use
a very I use it very raspy, weird. This is
the voice welcome to here we go again.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That's a strange Joyce. Thanks, it's honestly, it's off putting.
But if I support you, thank you for your unconditional
or somewhat conditional support. Well, let's turn to our story
for today, Fabulous. We're jumping into a heart pounding world
(02:24):
ravaged by natural disasters and unexplainable weather events, where the
stories of the Bible are not allegorical or historical, they're
a prophecy for things that will take place today. We're
discussing season two of the Audible original series The Prophecy. Ooh,
that's a loaded title.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Not only is a title loaded, this is a high
stakes chase across a crumbling world. If you know season one,
you know this full of divine guidance, political intrigue, global conspiracies,
and characters that are ripped right out of the Bible
with some kind of subtle and other times not so
subtle changes. So if you haven't listened to this season yet,
(03:06):
you should pause this. By the way, if if you've
not listened, this is just all going to be spoilers.
Go listen to season two and then come back. And
if it's been a while since you checked out the
first season of The Prophecy, let me catch you up
real quick.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Season one centers around a pregnant woman plagued by prophetic
visions named doctor Virginia Edwards played by the incredible Kerry Washington.
She seeks out a federal agent named Scott Thomas played
by Laurence Fishburn. She claims that all of these global
catastrophes and weather events are part of some ancient prophecy,
(03:41):
and Agent Thomas is doubtful. You could call him a
doubting Thomas Virginia and Agent Thomas meet other people right
out of the Bible, like Daniel and Jonah. Virginia gives
birth to a healthy son named Joshua, which is notable
because it wasn't medically possible for her to conceive and
(04:03):
the baby only just stated for seven weeks. By the
end of the season, Agent Thomas has accepted that Virginia
and her baby are central to some kind of real prophecy.
Then we step into season two. The world is in chaos,
Virginia is on the run with Joshua. A man named
(04:25):
Moses has revealed that billionaire presidential candidate Luther Bell is
the leader of a shadowy cult and the main threat
to Virginia.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Hi, Virginia, do you know who I am?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Luther Bell? You're a fascinating woman. You don't know me.
All I want is to get to know you.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I mean, first of all, Kerry Washington is always impeccable.
Of course, the sound design in this show, especially this season.
Hear it in the voices, right, the depth that was
of that that sounded evil?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yes, right, yes, And that's Luther Bell is played by
young Carlo Esposito. Correct, there was kind of a gene
Hackman vibe there.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Oh totally.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Who's played some great villains, great heroes too, But of
course these performances are exciting.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
They're exceptional. So Virginia and the allies she's collected set
out on a desperate global journey to flee the relentless
pursuit of this Luther Bell.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
How how can so many people miss the truth about
the prophecy? My son wasn't born to be the puppet
for a rich man's cult. Joshua is here to unite us.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Bell won't rest until he has Joshua. You need to
get ready.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Whoa yeah, Bell giving strong Harod vibes there, This is exciting.
Cal take it away, my friend, and I will take
it away this one. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So for this one, we had to go to the source,
the prophecies creator a Randy McKinnon. Randy, welcome to yours.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Say thanks for having me, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, of course. Where are you joining from today?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I'm in Los Angeles? Okay, what about yourself?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
My former home? I went to UCLA undergrad. I'm in
New York.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Oh nice, that's my other home. I went to Syracuse so.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oh nice, Okay, cool, Okay, before we get into it.
This is more of a personal curiosity. But what are
you reading or listening to right now?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I started actually Project Hill Mary recently Andy Ware. Obviously
they're doing a movie right now, but I always wanted
to check it out, and so I'm finding time to
dive into that one that's been really exciting. Another that
I like, it's actually the one called Someone Like Us.
Why This is riter at Denal and Getsu and it's
like about this journalist. He's like the son of these
Ethiopian immigrants and hecky into like this crazy complicated history.
(07:02):
It's a bit dark, but it's really really good read.
Those have been my latest reads that I've been diving into.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Cool nice mine is I'm halfway through, but it's called
The Perfect Scent of It and it's about the perfume industry.
But it's written by a New York Times style author,
so it doesn't read technically, and half the story follows
Sarah Jessica Parker launching her own cologne. But then the
other half of it is very technical about how perfume's
coming together. It's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
That's really cool.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I'm gonna ask a bonus question that's kind of a
version of this too. Do you remember what you were
reading or listening to when you created the prophecy?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Ooh, interesting enough.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
You know I actually created this during the pandemic, so
I was listening to Doctor Fauci actually, and all the
madness that was happening in our world, you know that
seemed to have no around my reason. What I will
say though, is when I started thinking of the prophecy
and was diving into it. There's this book that I
had for a while, but I didn't really dive into
(08:02):
it fully until this time.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I had so much time during the pandemic.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
But it was called a Righteous Discontent by Evelyn Higginbotham,
and it really kind of breaks down the role that
black women had and shaping the Baptist Church essentially through
activism both politically and theologically too. And I was like,
I know, you worked with the Obama administration, so you
know this history intimately. But I'm from the South originally,
(08:25):
so the church in so many ways serves like a
multitude of purposes for me and my community growing up,
So like summer school, vacation, Bible school, you know, for
some people, actual school. But I think it was just
like a fascinating breakdown of just how influential these black
women were in shaping our society. And so, for those
that know, the premise of the Prophecy is centered around
(08:48):
a black woman in Carrie Washington, who becomes this essential
peace in the fight for humanity, right, but deep down,
it actually became a way for me to sort of
recognize this contribution that I I think you're reading. That
book really really opened my eyes to even more.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
That kind of gave me chills a little bit. I
did not anticipate as much as I know before we talked.
I didn't recognize the pandemic part of it. And the
episodes are obviously so vivid and in some ways so
post apocalyptic is the wrong word, I think for what
I'm trying to say, But anyway, the point is I
was here in New York City during the whole pandemic,
(09:26):
and so many people in certain zip codes were able
to leave because they had the financial means, and so
I just remember taking walks through some of those neighborhoods
and feeling really eerie. Then walking through places like Times
Square that are always packed and no New Yorkers actually
go there usually, but when you walk through if you're
going for a walk, seeing how desolate it was, I
(09:48):
didn't recognize why some of your episodes, especially for season two,
felt familiar. And I know that's a weird thing to
say because it's all audio, but hearing you just talk
about the pandemic gave me that sense memory again and
kind of tied it into what I was listening to.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Yeah, I mean, it's sometimes even listening back to it now,
it's sort of wild, like you know, you kind of
timestamp the places you are creatively when you're having these conversations.
And it was such a unique time because when I
was writing this, there wasn't, you know, a vaccine.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
There wasn't an end in sight.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
There wasn't there wasn't a strategy, there wasn't a plan
of action. It was more reactionary. We were all trying
to understand what was even happening. And so for those
who listened to the first season, but even a second season,
you kind of recognize that, like, oh, that's literally the
trajectory of our characters in the story is that they
all sort of like you, standing in a space that
was so familiar but now feels so unfamiliar and that's
(10:43):
such a unique space because I've worked on shows that
were apocalyptic, you know. I've worked on the show on
Apple called Invasion about alien invasions, and so I've dove
into those worlds, but this was the first time it's
actually like, you know, Ariumtag's life where I'm actually like,
oh no, it actually is apocalypt outside right now. So
it makes the writing a bit different, But it did
feel like it came from an honest place that I
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think really helped it in the long run.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, that origin story is interesting, and so you created
the show, you wrote it, you served as executive producer.
I have to imagine that, and you just talked about
how kind of the story came to you. But I
would imagine that stories from the Bible have been in
your life for a long time. What's your relationship been
to the Bible since you were a kid man?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
You know, I grew up in the church, so I
had to know the Bible very intimately, but creatively. Always
wanted to reimagine the Bible. So when I first started
writing and got into this industry and broke in, I
was always something in the front of my mind. I
just always wanted to find the right way in I
wanted to create a cinematic universe like Marvel, buffer Biblical
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stories like said in present day. And you know, I
have like a unapologetic belief. I say, like, I believe
the Bible is like the greatest text and on the man,
I think it has the greatest protagonist, and Jesus, I
think has the greatest antagonist, has the greatest recurring characters.
Some writers wear about Shakespeare, and I do too it
to an extent, But the Bible for me is like
the pinnacle of storytelling.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
And so that literally from the onset.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
It was such a unique experience of taking all these
Bible studies to memorize all the books. It was just
you know, all those things, and I finally be able
to traumatize it in a way. Was such a really
cool experience. And so my relation to the Bible is
extremely close. It's extremely intimate, extremely personal for me.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
It sounds into me even for those of us who
didn't grow up in that environment. I remember, you know,
my grandparents were very secular, but in this sense of
like they grew up Hindu and Jaine in India and
lived through in sort of fought against British colonialism, And
so when we were growing up, the stories that we
would hear were very pro faith in a way that
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I sadly haven't heard much nowadays. But it was things like, oh,
you're friends in writting you to go to church, you
have to go. Your friends abutting you to go to
a mosque or your synagogue or whatever. The grandparents would
be like, you have to go. And then in tenth grade,
I remember we were reading in my honors English class,
thank you. It was the Bible as literature, and I
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remember a couple of students who did not share my
view or my upbringing. We're like, why do we have
to read this? What about suparation of church and state?
And I thought that was so it was such a
weird thing, like, well, first of all, we're reading it
as this incredible story that it obviously is. I feel
like that's fairly it's fairly objective, even if you're just
like approaching it from a business perspective. Look at the
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sales numbers of the Bible last year, like you should
read the book, you know. But anyway, after all of
that kind of drama around, it was gone and we
really got into it. It was ironic. I thought that we
were reading it intimately in a public school setting in
a way that I thought really compliment to the times
that my friends would invite me to the more religious
affairs and services and things like that. So it was
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very cool to get those sides of it. But it
was not until I started listening to this that I
remembered some of that intimacy too, because so much of
that intimacy is feeling for my friends who have grown
up in the faith, and so getting that feeling I
thought was cool. And then I also was like, Okay,
so obviously Virginia is a marry analog, which is New Testament.
Most of her allies Moses, Daniel Sampson, Delilah our Old Testament. Joshua,
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Virginia's baby shares the name of a book from the
Old Testament, but he's also a christ like figure. Were
they separated out like that intentionally?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Yes, it was intentional, and I think partly because I
really wanted to set the tone and the boundaries for
I would say my creative license on the project, you know,
because I think and I don't want to make it
clear like I have no intent or believe that the
Bible needs to rewrite of anything. I sort of look
at it like a family recipe that's passed down from generations,
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you know, like the ingredients may shift around a bit
as you know, you discover new techniques, but usually what
you want to capture is sort of like I like
to call it the ratitude evite, you know what I mean.
At the end, it's like, you know, it's really that nostalgia, right,
It's that feeling that you said, like, oh, I recognize that.
I recognize the feeling in that I recognized thematically what
that is, and that, to me, honestly is what makes
the Bible so special to me and why I felt
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it was such a great piece of IP to dive
into because it really allows us to have an individual
experience with it. And so the mix of the Old
and New Testament, because it's present day, I felt there
was an opportunity that I could bring them all in
and kind of rewrite those rules. Obviously, if it were
a period piece, I think it may calls for more restraint.
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I think the only thing I would say, the only
hard line that I really have for the show was
actually using the name Jesus. And if you kind of
go through the show, you'll realize, like the characters don't
necessarily say the name Jesus, and I didn't want to
make Jesus a character, and they were just something that
felt too powerful.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And sort of reverenced kind of right the name.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I remember like the show air, you know, they never
showed Michael Jordan at you never showed his face, and
I remember asking the producer on anybody, I don't know,
it's just like you can't really reimagine. I could like
he already has a space and I kind of look at, yeah,
Jesus in that same way. So you know, the Hebrew
name of the Lord is Joshua, and it's like, so
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that's why Carrie carry Washington. We felt that was sort
of the best name to land on. And so those
are some of the ways in which we wanted to
take and kind of reset the rules so that the
listeners aren't saying.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Well, wait is that though.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
It's like, Okay, we can kind of take a step
back and say, Okay, we're enjoying this. He's going to
bring these thematics and he's going to bring this world
to us, like you said, in a way that we
can digest it today.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Carrie is incredible. You just mentioned Kerry Washington, the prophecy. Overall,
you have serious star power in this. Carrie stars as Virginia.
Lawrence Fishburne is agent Thomas. John Carlo Esposito is Luther Bell,
the billionaire, mastermind, bad guy. He's very good at being sinister. Yes,
did you have any of these roles cast in your
head as you were writing that ship? Did that all
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happen afterwards?
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Kerry Washington was actually the first name that I brought
up to the producers when I pitched it. She's obviously
incredibly talented, but I think her relatability was something that
I felt the role needed, and so I realized that
you needed someone who can play I like to say,
you know, you know the black swan and the white Swan. Right,
It's like, who can kind of go into all those
(17:23):
different elements, Right? This story really has a pretty complex
character journey.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
There's this woman in Virginia and our protagonist who coming
into this world, you know, she doesn't want children, and
then you have a woman who understands the joy of
motherhood and desires that, right, and so she's playing both sides,
and in many ways, both sides have to be right,
because they are in real life, right until to have
someone sort of wrestling that, you need to have a
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character who can really come to both places with empathy.
And so Carrie, you know, she's done that over her career.
I think that relatability factor, right, I think really good
act as they have it.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Cali, I think you know not too, Johne. I think
you have that quality.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I mean I'll listen to it, you know.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Like look, I think, like you know, one of your
movies in my back on the shelf. So it's like
to find success in the industry, especially in a film,
an avid movie, but to still find a way to
feel relatable on screen. I think it's a grossly underrated quality.
And so Carrie was the first person we went to.
Actually she said yes, and she's been so instrumental in
this and every you know and everyone else. To be honest, like,
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I tried not to cast him in my head because
it's a podcast, so the budgets aren't the same. But
I couldn't help but see Lawrence Fishburn's character from Contagion,
like literally as I was writing Agent Thomas in this,
and so he was one that came in and just
with John Carlo, like especially in the second season. I
know obviously people think breaking bad and he plays bad
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really well, but I think it would make that character
so great was that he again was so relatable, he
felt so normal, and honestly I thought of and out
for the Spike zo the right thing. It was just
like that range is like I think that character needs that,
and then like to see him connect to the story,
and I remember him just recording it just was like
like wow, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It was just kind of pitching myself moment.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
When you were writing for this it's an audio only medium,
I would imagine, well, I don't want to put words
in your mouth. I wrote a book a couple of
years ago, and when I was recording the audiobook version
of it, I ran into a couple of challenges because
my book has pictures in it, and most of them
are pretty self deprecating. It's like me when I was thirteen,
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and how ridiculous I looked, and like things that that
kind of accentuated a joke that I would put in writings.
When I was recording the audiobook version of it, we
had to figure out like do I describe it? Do
I just say just google this picture, like go to
my Instagram and you'll see it or what. So for me,
it was challenging to not be able to rely on
the visuals. Was it like that for you in doing
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it audio only from the beginning where it's not meant
to be read, And did it activate any other storytelling
muscles in the process.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah, that's you know, like it kind of brings up flashbacks.
You know, it was a struggle in the beginning. The
Prophecy was my first time writing for this medium, and
as someone who predominantly writes screenplays, which is literally a
visual format, initially it was very difficult because I would
kind of see things visually and then allow that to
(20:23):
tell the story, and in this space it's literally the
complete opposite, and so in doing so it was a challenge,
but it was It was a great challenge because I
would say, like the muscle that I really learned, it
really heightened my sense of just space and like using
time and sound, and like my senses felt so heightened.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Like you know, I used to do this exercise when
I wrote it.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I had someone literally read my script out loud, so
they would read the Prophecy scripts out loud to me,
and I would have my eyes closed. I would close
my eyes, and so the goal was that while I
was listening, you know, with my eyes closed, it had
to feel as though they were open with the imagery
and the flow. And so it'll be a mo where
it's like, Okay, you have characters on the train, and yeah,
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these sequences are happening in your mind. When you're writing,
I see it, but when someone's listening, you don't. And
so to be able to kind of listen to those
action sequences and get to the point where it's like, oh,
I'm vividly seeing it even as I'm hearing it, that
was sort of the goal, and interesting enough, it actually
helped my writing. When I even went back to the
standard sort of TV and film, it actually helped heighten
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it even more because I felt like my awareness was
extremely poiint at that point.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
The sound design made everything feel really intimate. I listened
to audiobooks and podcasts, but I hadn't quite listened to
something like this that made me feel an intimacy with
the story. Right when you're listening to a memoir or
a firsthand podcast, like a podcast interview, it's different because
of course there's intimacy there because you just feel like
you're one of the friends in a conversation. The intimacy
here felt different. I already told you about the weird
(21:51):
flashbacks to not realizing the COVID of it. All, Right,
what was the process that sound designing like? And then
are there moments in the finished product that stand out
to you as a reflection of the audio works that
your team did?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
So I directed the first season, but we brought in
two creatives, Malachi and one of our writers, DeAndre, who
I think really took my vision out off for season
two and ran with it.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
And one of the first.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Meeting we had was a sound design meeting, and some
of the references I remember us having coming into the
season was like the Book of Eli, like Doune, Children
of Men. How can we take these epic sort of
sound design elements and to really really infuse it into
this story in a way, and like, you know, this
is in many ways, this is a road trip thriller, right.
Season two is a road trip thriller in many ways,
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which differs from season one. And so the goal that
I kind of set out for the team was like,
how can we take and elevate the story and to
keep it for netic and to keep it feel like
it's in movement. And so season two, I wanted to
feel kinetic. I wanted to feel that something was always
hovering over them, that there was this impending sort of
crisis that was always at stake. And so the team
(22:57):
did an amazing job and I'm excited everyone to hear it.
And I think, you know the train sequences, I would
say sit out to me the most, and people hear
it on the first episode of the second season, especially
going into the second episode, it is really really exciting.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I'm a as an actor, especially big fan of like
psychologically complicated relationships. I just saw this movie Twinless last night.
Excellent Dilan O'Brien, fantastic actor.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But it was.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
All a total non secular just it was a very
psychologically complicated one of the characters, without giving anything away,
psychologically complicated. Here, I want to talk about Virginia's husband,
Ryan Oh Ryan so Yes. In the first season, he's
skeptical that his wife became pregnant by immaculate conception, which
you know fair. In season two, he buys into Luther
(23:51):
Bell and betrays Virginia. Eventually he comes around. I found
him to be a hard guy to like, fair enough.
What I'm wondering is, did you dislike him as you
were writing him. What was the experience of writing somebody
that complicated?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, you know, poor Ryan.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
It's funny you address that because I have so many
people that has the same sort of feelings that you have.
But I guess to answer your question, it was a
complicated question, right, And which is why I like his
character so much, because you know, at first I was like, dang,
he just turns on her when she needs him the most.
And then like I was like, you know, let's take
a step back and Ryan land for a second. You
(24:30):
kind of stated it right that he went through the journey.
It's like this, his wife just appeared saying, Hey, I'm
pregnant and it's not yours.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
It's right.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
And that's that that alone, right on the surface, right,
if you think of in present day context, right, But
deeper than that, especially in season two, when you think
about all the other characters that's around him, Ryan is
the only one who doesn't have a direct premonition from God,
so everyone else kind of comes in from Moses or
there's Virginia saying, hey, God places on my hard to
(25:00):
do you know. So it's almost like sitting in a
circle of everyone else having this sort of awakening and
realization and you have to just say, trust him, right,
And so he's just trusting his wife who just had
a baby, claiming maclcxception and that she's also you know Mary.
And so for Ryan, he in many ways was the
most vulnerable, and he always was from the start. And
I think that what makes Luther Bell's character in this
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as an antagonist, I feel, a really great antagonist. You know,
they can find the weak spots, they can find the
cracks in the armor. And he knew that for Virginia,
she was growing this very fierce protector over her child,
and so he had to find a ways to get
in right. How does he infiltrate person right? And Ryan
was the most vulnerable, His faith was the weakest, and
(25:46):
so I wanted to give him a human reaction because
that was part of the challenge of this series, was
really thinking about it in present day. Can I believe that,
like you know, there are some people that would find
the events of what happened about but to be crazy,
And there's a lot of husbands that would really struggle
with accepting getting You know that Virtinia's handing him right, right,
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So I think it's okay to not like his decision.
But at the same time, I just asked that we
also take a step back and to see what he's
being asked to accept m And I think when you
kind of look at it from that way, it becomes
an interesting sort of dilemma for him.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
By the way, I'm not saying you have to like anybody.
I mean I was on a show called House for
a couple of seasons, and generally speaking, if you look
at the quadrants of what studios say we need in
terms of likability, House is not necessarily a likable person,
but that's what makes him watchable at all. So I'm
not suggesting that anybody needs to be likable. The compound
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in New Orleans serves as a safe haven for all
those the system failed. Yeah, what was the inspiration behind
this community?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
This show?
Speaker 5 (26:56):
In many ways, and it's always been for me at
his core, It's been a show about a second chance.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
You know, whether as small as our characters is Moses.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
As people will learn in season two, even you sort
of get to understand his true backstory.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Even with Virginia.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
It was really important for these characters to be people
who are in search of a second chance in some way, right,
even the world itself is searching for a second chance
or reset.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
And so it was honestly one.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Of the storylines and conceits that I would say it
was the most personal for me because I tend to
live in optimism. That's that sort of my default, and
I try to believe that something even challenging can be changed,
you know, I look, I think if not, it kind
of taints my very own existence, right, It's like I
have to exist me as a filmmaker. Part of the
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is too spark and promote change in some way, even
if a small kernel, And so I'm often drawn to
redemptive characters who's either misunderstood searching for a second chance.
And I have to say that this safe Haven represent
in it that in many ways, it's an allegory of hope,
that there's a place that people can call home. And
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for me specifically, it was Louisiana in the South, because,
as I mentioned, I'm from the South, and so the
South has some really different perspectives and beliefs that I
don't necessarily agree with, but it's also home. It's also
home to my family, and in many ways it's my
safe haven for me.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Right.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
I know that although I'm out in LA thousands of
miles away, I know that at the end of the day,
I can always go back and my family will always
embrace me, They'll always fill my cup.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And so for me, it was sort of my way of.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Expressing the complicated love story that I do have with
the South personally.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
That's very cool. Where's your family from?
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Yeah, so we've all lived in between Florida and Georgia. Yeah,
so all my family is down in the South, up
and down.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Do you go home a lot?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I try to, but yeah, I go home off them.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
My parents are in Atlanta, and so I try to
go home often between you know, with the Jacksonville, Miami
and then all through through Georgia. So I try to
get home a bit. But you know, everyone sort of
liked la.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Oh, yeah, they visit you.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yeah exactly, So it kind of changed a bit where
everyone's like trying to come to I'm like, I'll come
at home.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
They're like, no, actually we'll come to you.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
You see them though.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
That's nice of course of course.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Okay, we're going to take a quick break, but we'll
be right back.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
We're going to do a few quick rapid fire questions
in a segment that we're calling a plot twist, and
this one's based on the incredible world that you've created,
so really heavily biased questions.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I think.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You mentioned Moses. Moses can hot wire cars, which is
very useful, especially during a global cataclysmic scenario. What skills
do you have or would you like to have in
a post disaster world?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Yeah, I would rather say what skill I would like
to have. I would want the digestive system of a
crocodile or something. It sounds so random, but it's like
I can eat anything and survive. That's part of what
I feel like I would deal with now because I
have like allergies and like food sensitivities. I'm like, man,
I'll tap out so fast, like living in that world,
so like for me, it'll be like I can literally
digest and eat anything, and so like I would probably,
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which is a not I say it a lot.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
It's a very selfish sort of perspective, but I mean.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I mean, we're talking at the end of the world.
You kind of you can be selfish.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Every person on there is like I'm just gonna grab
myself of my family, and it's like, look, I could
digest anything, so you can put me in a while.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Okay, if you could choose just one of your characters
to be with you as an ally in this health scheme,
who would it be?
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Oh, that's easy, Joshua, because that's that's the safest bet
in this show.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Nothing doesn't happened to Joshua. So touch me with the
baby like a Chilian.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
I always say, the camera man never dies, so like, gosh,
was the cameraman to me?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Right? So I'm tied to the camera there, all right.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Luther Bell is maybe a personification of the devil, but
you got to hand it to him. He makes a
compelling case for his new world order that ends crime
and war and prejudice. Is there ever a bad guy
in a movie or a book or an audio drama
that makes you think, huh, that guy has a point?
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean one thousand percent. I think a
few come to mind. I would say, like three, let's
let go three. I would say the first is the
Joker from specifically The Dark Knight.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Mm hmm, by the way, I'm an interrupting for a second.
It's funny you said that because I when I was
looking through our questions for our conversation, I thought of
Batman because the difference between like the purity of a
superman and the going out of your way to spare
any innocent people is just not there in Batman, particularly
in specific iterations of it. Yeah, and you kind of
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got to be like, well, I guess that's okay too,
but anyway ahead, it's tough.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
No, it's a tough buy.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
And I think, like for me, if I started to
almost find myself green and siding with a lot of
what he Fleder specifically his character did, so I would say,
I would say the Jokers one. Another one I would
say is probably kill Monger from the First Black Panther.
Kill Monger was a really, really great one because it
just it represented so much and I think it just
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tapped into such a global debate that's happened, especially the
black community. Then I always thought, like, you know, might
killed that role. And so that's the second and the
other one. I'll probably say it whil is be a
little different. It's we all probably know it as a
movie but obviously I would say from a book, I
would say Jaws. I would say Jaws like the actual shark,
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like the actual shark to me. And I thought about
this a lot. And it's funny you say that because
we have these talks about intact all the time, and
I thought about this a while back. And if you
really think about a shark. For the most of the year, right,
people trash and pollute your home, right like dangle, they're
ugly feeding your water, they play loud music, right, the
boats and motors. Some even hurt your family and turn
their teeth and the necklaces.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
So like when you really.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Think about just like a shark is like it's not
like sharks can walk, So it's like they're knocking on
our doors, coming to bother us, like we're actually going
out to them, and then we villainize them at the
same time.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yes, they're a fish, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
So it's like we jumped into the home and kind
of are telling them how they should.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Operate, which is very human like of us.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
But yeah, I would say I would say Jaws is
probably my most unexpected villain that I actually understand more
because I as somebody who doesn't go into water.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Because of that reason, I side with the sharks.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
And you just floored me because you made a very
compelling guess for that. There's a wow. Okay, all right,
I just have two more best words to live by
from this season A favorites.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Yeah, you know, I do.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
And we were actually working on the trailer for this
and there was a line that Virginia says, and she says, like,
we walk by faith and not by sight. And I think,
interesting enough, obviously even with this man the podcast usually
not seeing it, but I think just true to what
this world is and true to life. It really tests
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your sense of belief and faith and sort of like
not being able to see what's on the other side
of the.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Door, but to walk through it anyways.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
And I think it really pushes that sense of courage,
and that's what Virginia really represents for not only this
world in these characters, but there's a lot of uncertainty,
so you have to have that strong belief in something
better being on the other side of the door. And
so I would say those words for this season, for
her journey, you know, for the journey of season two especially,
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they're headed to a place that's said to be the
Promised Land, but we don't know if it actually is
or not.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I like that and I like that it's hopeful. All right,
I'll end with a version of what I started with,
what's next on your reading list? And what's one audiobook
or traditional reading recommendation?
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Oh? Good question, next time I reading list.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Actually, the book comes in tomorrow actually, and it's called
Until August. It's by Gabrielle Marquez iviously, the famous Columbian
author who you know obviously has passed. It's not like
one hundred years of Solitude and Loving the time of
the Colera. And it's the one that I'm excited to
read because it's just came out last year, I believe, actually,
so it came out posthumously, and so I'm excited to
(35:32):
read that. That would say, that'd probably be my next
read and the thing that I'm looking forward to listening
to next. Speaking of a new audible project, I should
be smarter now about Terra.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I'm actually excited to check that out.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Yeah, it's like it basically lets us into our creative
process and all this stuff. And I'm obviously a really
big support of Lisa, and I love everything that she's
she's doing and has done, and so I think it'd
be great to live in her brain for a bit.
So I think that's actually probably audio or book, which
everyone will phrase it as that.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I'm really excited to check out.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Awesome, right on, Brandy, this has been great. I especially appreciate.
I feel like you're such an empathetic person, which is rare,
but especially when you're in that awkward position of having
to talk about something that you've created, right, like to
be able to do it because people who just listen
don't know that. Sometimes for us that feels a little awkward.
(36:24):
Like you obviously want to do it because it's your
job and you're proud of your work. But to do
it in a way that's also thoughtful and empathetic I
think is rare. So thank you for thank you, Thank
you for sharing that part of you.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
It's just nice having you on ears. Say so, thanks man,
nice to talk to you.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Likewise, this is great experience and great gay talking to you.
And this is like a nice little Pinchman moment as well.
I'm just living in these pinch mean moments man, So
this is this is quite easy to be empathetic and oh, you.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Know, to get these experiences in life.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Thanks man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I am so happy that I got to talk to
Randy McKinnon.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
That's insane.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
You got the creator of the show.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
That is so cool.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
What an awesome interview that was. I love how he
thought about sound design.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I was geeking out over both that and about the
degree to which the characters reflect those in the Bible
the ways in which they maybe won't. He was just
so eloquent, and he just sounds like such a centered person.
It was very very cool to hear how he put
this together.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I'm going to give you full credit for that. Cal
I think you brought all of that out of him.
Oh man, brilliant interview skills.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
The first thing to tell you is an act. When
somebody compliments you, you just have to say thank you.
You can't litigate whether you think it's true or not.
So thank you, Ed, You're welcome, Thank you very much,
and thank you for tuning into this episode of Earsay,
the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. On our next episode,
we'll dive into the new audiobook Night People, How to
(37:57):
be a DJ in nineties New York City. It's a
memoir written and read by the record producer and songwriter
Mark Ronson. And we have a very exciting guest drummer, producer,
writer Questlove Get the heck out of here. Yeah, I mean,
(38:19):
how cool is that?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
It's epic, That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I'm very excited to talk to him and what is
such a sweet guy. So that episode is coming Thursday,
November sixth If you had fun with us today on
your say, consider following the show wherever you listen hearsay.
The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club is a production of
Iheart's Ruby Studio, where your hosts Cal.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Penn and Ed Helms. Our executive producer is Matt Schiltz,
with theme music and post production by Marcus Bagala.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
For Ruby Studio. Our managing EP is Matt Romano, our
EP of post production is Matt Stillo, and our production
coordinator is not named Matt, It's Abby Aguilar.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
And of course, a big thank you to our friends
at Audible. Don't forget. You can listen to what we're
listening to on the Audible app or at audible dot com.
Sign up for a free thirty day Audible trial and
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Speaker 1 (39:18):
Slash ear say until next time, Thanks for listening.
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