December 11, 2025 • 52 mins
In this fascinating episode of Eating While Broke, host Coline Witt sits down with Igor Pasternak, the visionary CEO and founder of Aeros Corporation. Over a simple meal of ramen and eggs, Coline and Igor explore his incredible journey from humble beginnings in the Soviet Union to pioneering aviation innovation in America.
Igor shares the challenges he faced as an immigrant entrepreneur—including overcoming discrimination—and reveals how he revolutionized the aviation industry with his cutting-edge airships. Discover how Aeros Corporation is transforming logistics and package delivery, and get an insider’s look at the future of airship technology.
This episode is a unique blend of culinary simplicity and groundbreaking business insights—don’t miss it!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating Wild Broke.
I'm your host, Colleen, and today we have very special guests,
aviation entrepreneur, first ever in the building. Ever in the
history of Eating While Broke? Have you had an entrepreneur
of aviation? The CEO and founder of Arrows Corporation is
in the building. Yes, yes, just a little backstory. I
(00:34):
just happened to be at Igor's house, which was absolutely beautiful.
You were kind enough to let me tour and invade
your space a little bit. But just hearing that you
design airships is you don't come across that every day. So, guys,
just so you know, all I was there was like, hey,
what do you think about being on a show where
we talk about your humble beginnings? And Igor was like,
(00:57):
I'm a little crazy, and I was like, crazy changes
the world? World? Yeah, or more Chris, Yeah, I believe
it changes the world. So I said, what would you
have me eating if you were to come on Eating
While Broke? And what are you gonna have me eat today?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
They were eating waste, no restaurants, roads.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Okay, so what was that?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It's beautiful, beautiful, unbelievable and beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Top Rammer top ramen, and then what else does you
have us eating?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh no, this is not the food. It's the life saving.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It's life saving.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, but you ready to live this life because you're hungry.
It's called you safe, your wife.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, what is it our boiled eggs? You gotta cook
them first. Yeah, so we're gonna have harboiled eggs, guys
and some ramen. Go ahead. Igor says he never really cooks.
We now have it on camera that you will be cooking.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Okay, I always cook.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Oh, you always cook.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Of course. Look in reality, right when you're hungry, you're hungry,
and you're always looking for efficiency in this life. Nothing
can be more efficient than roman and eggs because you
can cook and the same time think about something else,
(02:19):
like your next trip to restaurant.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yes, et restaurant.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Okay, the secret is my secret, but don't tell to anyone.
You need gently.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You gotta boil the water personal.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, to boil the water they need fish.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Just turn both those knobs the other way. Yep, the
other way. Yeah, yet there, and then do the other
one because you're boiling. You're boiling both, right.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Not necessary today to do some experimentation cooking experiment. Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
For some strange reason, I'm nervous about your cooking because
when we first met, you were like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Cook really cooked sixty one and still wie.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Okay, okay, come on, come on ahead.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Cook Yeah, yeah, it's supposed to be start start boiling.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And then what about the hardboiled egs? Do you put.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
The agreed to do some experiments?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh, you're okay, then some Okay, we're gonna see all right,
do you want to turn off that other part or
do you want to keep it running? You want to
turn it off? Yeah, that's that's done. Yep, Okay, we're
gonna watch it. I think I know what is gonna do.
(03:43):
By the way, did I say your name? Pastornik? Is
the I didn't even say your name? Did I?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I did? Okay, okay, So igor take me back to
what was going on in the times where you were
eating this on a more regular basis.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
So he did some more regular really, yes, of course.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Okay. Take me back to humble times.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Humble times and still humble, yes, humble times.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So it's very when times were a little financially strained.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
When you're running small business, yeah, small business, you're always
financially strength with the issues or problem or happiness. You
achieve one goal, you already got another goal. Yeah, and
next goal always bigger than previous one, and next goal
taking more money. You never become this feeling of financial independency. Yeah,
(04:41):
because this every project, you just become addictives to the challenge. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Now do you think that's more of a life of
an entrepreneur or do you think people that have nine
to five's go through that battle.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Nine you never know what it's right nine to fine
or they were trying to change the world, or you
will be know to a second before we die. But unfortunately
in this moment we cannot talk anymore. You keep the
secret with us. I think in reality, everyone going through this, Yeah,
because everyone especially following the American dream or a bigger Yeah,
(05:19):
it's the probably honor to be American. It's you're trying
to achieve something more and more for your family, for
your dream, for yourself, for your friends, and this kind
of NonStop process because if you stop, we become different.
You're not longer mankind to become human being. Yeah, and
(05:42):
everyone's struggling with this. Is you show to me one
billionaire who will be saying she's okay, it's not true.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Have you read the book The Psychology of Money?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
No, I never read books.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
You don't. You don't read you're an engineer, and they're
not really no.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Very simple and not really books because books as soon
as the people's opinion, and I got to do everything
my own opinion.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Okay, oh, I never thought of it like that. But then,
but okay, you're an engineer, right. Engineers build off of
what other people have, kind of trial and error.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Right, it's probably it's different engineers, right, Okay, different engineers
probably when what we're doing, I'll consider everyone bodyline between
science and engineering.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
From one sign, it's more kind of applies science and
in some way because signs a lot to you to
operating the real data and saying what I can do
today what yesterday was impossible. Yes, because I become not
more smarter, I become more dealing this data. I realize
(06:56):
something new on this data. Basically, it's the science.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yes, when you've.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Got the data, you observe the data, your knowledge, and
you find the pattern in this data.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The engineering portion, it's when you're thinking, okay, now I
can do something, not just better as device, Right, is
I can do in principle new device? What can be
changed something based on this data? You're training your brain
in some way, right, it's what is uniqueness? Be on
(07:29):
the borderline, because on the same side you're doing experimental
in your head. What is engineering? Wine, because much more progressive,
but again it's more apply science from engineering.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
You just come closer and speak into this mic just
a little bit, yes, yes, okay, I am closer, a
little bit closer.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
This morn.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah. I want you to like less than this much
away all right? Yeah, sorry, you fascinating me.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
About what for all of it? All of it? Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I like the way you explain engineering versus the science
and the engineering and how it all comes together.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah. No, the old ambitions, right, our ambitions when the young,
the more ambitions when we are sixteen years old. We
believe it. Our parents, our relatives, especially our clothes relatives
who much older than they are.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
They wrong, they're wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
They're wrong. Of course we got to move you know
the world much better. Yeah, yes, especially correct to my
life experience. Girls starting about twelve years Asian boys about
a little bit better. They about fifteen. Yeah, but they
all know the parents wrong in the view of the world,
and they always yeah, okay, now we're moving next step right,
(08:58):
reach about eighteen geen and this moment we believe and
we can change the world because world built wrong and
they need to only are capable to make world better place.
And as the growing up and the gaining life experience,
the realizing it's not about in this world, it's not
(09:22):
so much about you as revolutionary changing. It's about to
leave the world better place than you leave. Then you
come and this point, your ambitionance is built around this.
You don't have any more ambitions on the base your
parents stupid. You don't have any more ambitions. Everything in
(09:48):
the world is wrong and everything needs to be changed.
You're realizing the beauty of the world. You're realizing the
beauty of the light. And you're just trying to use
your talent to make better place for your family, for
your unity, for your city, for engineers to come in
with something that make life of the people. But it's
(10:08):
always something motivating us. This is what is saying is
difference between mankind and human being. And it's not about
nine to six jobs or for twenty four hours and
be world. Yeah, yeah, it's everyone motivating. Same. Yeah, just
some people stupid like me, they decide the hard ways,
(10:30):
and people more smart we decide to go more normally.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yes, Hold on one second.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, I see this device is not working.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
You turned off the stove. Hold on, hold on?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Okay, there, I was planning to ask for school driver.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
And change change and to fix it, do your engineer hack.
So take me back. You're born in the Ukraine, in
Soviet Union, in Soviet Union. Okay, Now where did the
bug for aerosh or aviation come into play?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It's probably need to step away. What the Soviet Union
was back there in sixties sixty seventies, right, it's about
three hundred years ago. There was this was very special
country had to say special. But let's assume this words
special and in some way unique.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Unique, Yeah, unique and noting.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
They go to why notice words of uniqueness and the
idea of the do something was very limited, right, because
it's a communist system. It's basically you as individual, you're
not thinking about money. Money not exist. Yeah, and it's
because it's only what this exists. As kids watching the
(11:52):
movie Soviet movie, is you are changing something for a
better the country? Yes, because it's known as the option,
the attorney it's not good. The doctors it's okay, but
not really good. And then in this for people like
me who has got born with some kind of logical
(12:14):
structure thinking and Sinata war was born mentally sick. Yeah,
it was not as a way outside of engineering, because
engineering it was what did you feel? It was not?
There was no options? Why aviation? I don't know. It
was probably five years old, and I just said it
(12:35):
will be aviation because it was fun.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Because it was fun. Did you just have a fascination
with airplanes? I think war balloons or helium.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
No, it started to use airplanes of course, okay, because
you don't see any balloons. Yeah there, but probably because
this way. Yeah, I already mentioned mentally sick. Yeah, yeah,
what is I was decided to so you be pilot,
and I decided to be aviation.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Engineer okay, okay, versus a pilot, versus a pilot. So
how do your parents take the news that you want
to get into building airplanes?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Probably some way as they take the news when my
five years old, Some tell me you want to be
president of the United States.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, okay, okay, okay. So they were very positive about it.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Oh yeah, five years old.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yea, yeah, yeah, but then when you start to pursue it,
how did they take it?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
From beginning it was okay. In some point it was
a little bit not okay because it was there was
no companies were going to work right, This was more
hobby line. No one was building airship, insuit union, no
one design union. And of course there was worried. I'lbeit
(13:58):
to some kind of dreamers of course, or probably saying
there's a lot of fantasy in my head because they
was worried. But eventually not let them any choices.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, they just had to accept it. Yeah, yeah, now
you faced. I read online that you okay, go ahead,
cook for a moment.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
You need to make sure we removed everything from the
Sometimes they put special packages plas.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, they put a little seasoning pack in there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Profession okay, now yeah, just watch me the tree.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Okay, I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna watch okay.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, you see how professionally make hands moving.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Okay, I see.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
It's years and toms and toms. That's product. Okay, Now gently.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Success, are you cooking one or two package? Cook too?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah? You're right, two of us?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
No long yeah, you need to have something for dinner
to exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I understand. Oh how these buildings is especially especially pick
up these packages for me to straggle.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yes, you are really struggling with this.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Are you cheating me? It's required all effort.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I know you don't make this on a regular Let
me help you. It's gonna fly everywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
There just using some devices. It's helping the process. By
the way. Eight and again the most important remove all
moon cooking parts because they don't just mistaken many times.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Oh with the packet, you're hilarious.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well not me. They just put and there's no warn, acknowledged, nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Okay, there you got your little package out the way.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, and the same it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
No, I need some device right there, yep, use that,
that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Something my practice.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, because when it gets soft, they'll move around through it. Okay.
I heard I had read online that early on in
your studies you faced discrimination for being Jewish. Is that true?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Look back to church union to be jew This was
not the most popular line. Yeah, but here's the probably
The point is it's nothing to do with religion. Yeah,
to be Jewish your bloodline, Yes, it's it was got
domestic id and kind of domestic pastor. And this was
(16:41):
line five, what was called nationality. But it's not nationality
in the way of your citizenship emotionality.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
It's your bloodline, yeah, your DNA, Yeah, yeah, it's and
it's was.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Saying and I was saying Juan as people saying Russian
or Ukrainian. Yes. And for some reason, actually we can
talk for a long time where jew was not very
popular in Soviet Union, especially after after Jews started immigrating
to Israel from the Soviet Union the United States. And
(17:14):
basically the idea was logical trested logical right, because the
approach was, okay, if Ju going atviation university and country
will teach him, he will be exposed to all secrets.
So the sign and after this goodbye, you can find
him on Israel in the I mean it was and
(17:36):
of course Soviet was got anti Semitic policy government, the
government and not talking about on everyday life. It's always
wasn't the simitis wasn't present starting from a long time ago.
It was there, but from the government point, it was
restriction for Jew which university you can go and which
(17:58):
position you can obtain and blah, blah blah, a member
of the party, not a member of the party. And
it's a lot of this.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So how do you handle that when you're going to
into aviation where you need a lot of schooling.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I was never able to attend aviation. But in my
seating leave in Ukraine where I grow up was wonderful
library and it was my education and I was all
my life. I very lucky. I meet wonderful people. In
some point when I was probably teenager, A meet people
(18:31):
who was working in one of the vs large company
in Soviet Union who built big airplanes, and they was
got volunteer like volunteer design bureau. They was designing a
receipts and three times from work there was classical engineers. Yeah,
it's as much you can be engineered.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And the one of the guys is no longer with us.
His name was Alex Blankio. He wrote some article on
kids technical magazine. In this article or something letter he
responded and from there every sing begin.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And so did you start working for the company once
he's he responded.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Or no, it was no company. It was was hobby, okay,
hobby for him, for his colleagues and for me, I
was this kid who was literally believed, this will be
my profession. Yeah, through my career.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
She respawned, and it was so what happens when he responds?
Do you go work for him? Do you intern? Do
you hang out with him?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Do you know it's just starts writing technical letter to
each other. He wasn't ky if I wasn't. Yeah, but
it's not you remember about the ex.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Experiment?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Okay, okay, don't blame me late to.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
The Okay, all right? So he popped egg into the ramen,
got it.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Brooking? It was not mindful anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Do you have to mix it?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, before it's become.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Before it becomes a pie. Okay, okay, and then when
I'm gonna try and stay out of it. But do
you have to season it? Or you got to drop
the seasoning in there? Man, I'm helping you. Man, We've
all got to eat this.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Oh my god, it's secret.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
So as what point do you move to New York?
Because New York the first place you leave or where's
the first place you leave to go to in America?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
New York, New York is supposed to be like everyone
change has become. Garbagioe was a really huge figure in
this life. He changed a lot of stuff. Francis was
a very nick moment when Soviets was got Garbachioe and
in America was Reagan. It was two absolutely outstanding tuberments,
(21:16):
right and start Pedistroica. In Sweet Union, we start more
able to create our private company to the airships and
do the airships and everything was developed. Swears Union collapse
become not the easy time on Sweet Union collapse because
(21:37):
the parts we was buying through all the countryan collabs.
Now economical lateness and supply chain, it's all become distructive.
And in ninety one was before official s Virginian collapse,
the Kijibi, the Communists was trying to take over the
(21:57):
country and at this moment it was start clearly understanding
they can come back.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And it was very simple outside of everything, not acceptance
of the Soviet system and believing it's really people. It's
basically believing in this idea. There was not so many
places and it was really understand me and my colleagues.
We was clearly understanding at this moment nothing to do there, yeah,
(22:26):
not because we cannot proceed our dream building the best airship.
And the same time this evil can come back. And
we see it's come back in Russia, right, yeah, you
see the artist startled probably in search Union. We was
never thinking about this possible. Yeah, and from this point,
(22:48):
oh yeah, I forgot to mention. In late actually late eighties,
me and my family and with my parents, my wonderful
was and my sister, we received the the refuge status
from United status was able to immigrate to the United States.
(23:11):
When Perestroica begin and Hope begin, it was hey, it's
better to stay where you are, right yeah, because you
could believe it the place where you are that the
hope become let's say normal place.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And of course in ninety one when it's happening, it
was pure message, that's it, nothing to do there, okay,
And I walk to my father, told him that's it.
They can come back, trying to pack they left before
me and I arrived in the United State in ninety three.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And how old were you?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I was pretty old, okay, I was twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Okay, okay, let's stop fairly young, but yeah, yeah, compare years.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Now young, yeah yah, but back then I was pretty
anyway ollow trying to confuse me.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
No, I'm shying, you know what you're probably burning down up. Okay,
I should have left the overhead camera on, man, so
I could see what you're doing. Do you need to
add some water to it? It looks like you some help.
Come on, I'll help you out.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
We're eating some egg and heavily seasoned ramen. You need
this water, at least a little bit of it. Let's
use this before No, I think you could stir it
up and feed us.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Okay, are ready?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Let's see does the egg cooked? Does your theory work? Sorry,
all right, don't feed me. I'm gonna eat it. I'm hungry.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
But how youth?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I have good health insurance. That's crazy that this is
the first time someone has ever asked me that. Okay,
that looks good.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I give you the best sport someone. Yeah, remember this
next name?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yes, I will remember. This looks good.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Listeners did best?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I don't know. It looks good. It looks legit. The
egg looks cooked.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Listen, my teeth was growing this. They're still a wife.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Let's try this.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I'll whatever less will take this? Mean? Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Okay, ready, yeah, let's take this. Please, little protective bodies,
we know he cooked this egg right into the pot.
Please protect it's name Braben. Mhm, what just it is fine? Wow,
(25:46):
someone someone had to test.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It had to be me.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Huh. Honestly, you did pretty good. The noodles are heavily overcooked.
You know what, I had no expectations for you. I'm
just happy that you cooked, because I promise you. When
I met you, you were like, I don't cook.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
It's perfect, it's fun. Yeah, it's the best piece.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
You can't mess up. Romen, It's impossible. Have you done
it before? You're hilarious. No, that's so the first airship
you designed, you end up I guess do you end
up get advertising, ends up being your first client or
like with the.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
In the Service Union, Yes, okay, in the United States, Yeah,
because we ended eventually after New York, we ended in
the Cuttle Air Force Base in central Tolifornia. We was
lucky big. There was wonderful Governor Pete Wilson who invits
and the base was on the closure in the protest
(26:54):
of the closing. But from one point in this base
was a bunch of the Russians speaking. Nothing was speaking.
The Russians speaking was building the airship in one corner
of the Hunger and another corner of the hunger was
B fifty two EMPTYC one thirty five going through active
duty flying.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, so you did I know it said that you
designed the air airship for the military, right can you?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah? Military, what you're trying to achieve? We build a
lot of airship advertising for surveillance. Airstarts today the definitely
the most successful company in the world in this area
and a lot of styff. The only one, the only
one company in the United States who achieved and produced
(27:41):
type certified by a fairship. What type certifying by every airship,
the only one on the second company in the world
who actively producing type certifi airships. Basically they a lot
of commercial flights airplanes. When you're going to flights, the
(28:02):
same certification on blowing seventy seven or an hour.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
So your airships can do commercial flights, and I know
it can do cargo, but it can't.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
But seven ceraplace. Yeah, airship is just pot work now,
it's all about application, right.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
The legis let's put this wing. Let's step away from
airs if everything right, If you look at the world
globally right now, they're very lucky. We saw the rise
of internet is so the rise of the mobile communication.
Now you're watching the rise of the artificial talents. Yea,
(28:38):
what it's all about about freedom? Yes, Internet, when internet
is to make information excestreme information available everywhere. Before we
uys need to go to library for information. Now it's
in your hands. You got everything in any book, any
(29:01):
data well for you, doesn't matter where you are. Yes,
you don't need to go and laborates infrastructure right same
heading with mobile communication. Before we was going to need
to send message. We always need to pick up the
phone from what's connected with wires or fax machine, what's
connected with wires.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
To infrastructure infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Right now we can communicate anywhere because of mobile communication. Yes,
it's freedom without infrastructure or communication. Yes, but only left
it only left for mankind our development, but only not
change its transportation of the cargo, Yes, because we're still
moving the fray same way as.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Train car the traditional routes. But with your company, you
don't do it that way, you guys.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Because here's the point, right because limit your limitation. It's
not in the truck, it's a freeway. Yeah, your limitation
not in the airplane. It's where the airport. It's all
the limitation infrastructure with if you can against say I
can do the same for logistic what was done Internet
(30:13):
for information, which yes, because I don't need a restructure.
Now it's just as a skin equation the nature of
vership because it's buoys, it's just floating without spending enters.
But now it's how you make this device and the
number of the technical challenges to make this device practical.
One of them you don't need to You must be
(30:35):
able not to learn to pick up in a float
cargo because if you're coming to the ground, that's it ground.
Your infrastruction using everything is one of them. Yes, another
one of course, this kind of classical everyone was whole boons.
Now let ballons go, it's goes no imagine if they
(30:56):
bring the cargo, you'll drop the cargo. And what happened
to ers is going up. Yes, we need to liam
how control what is called buoyancy to make sure we're
not going happ and we stay where we're supposed to
be stayed. Yes, this was always major to problems. Why
as today we're looking in the skuis there of course
(31:18):
military federal government because they got the largest task. It's
not protect the United States, it's mean resupply of the
true sports projections and the same time, US military responsible
for disaster relief around the world. It's when something happened
in Haiti or Thailand, the fiscal coming, it's US military
(31:42):
who providing disasters for them. It was natural equation to
solve this logistical problem of the facing every day. Yes,
and of course Department of Defense and starting from Dartwin
with the special Agency who create the Internet and everything
modern day, put the challenge. Yes, the challenge was can
(32:04):
someone coming this system, this airship, what can control the points?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
It was competition, yes, but no, no one of our
competitor has got any chance. That's impossible to learn discwel
and federal government following with one program next program. They
help us to build our prototypeical with massive participation and
honestly is one of the uniques of our government of
(32:34):
a government, federal government able to facilitate this kind of
technological change.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
They put they had the initiative, so say let's invest
in the in the future of where things can because that.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Poet what I mentioned it was created during the president
is not how and THEDEA of the Defense Advanced Research
Progress Agency is when so it launched the Sputnik it's
start alight and there was a big surprise in the
United States, and basically in how I created that saying
no more surprises technological.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
This agency ask you these challenges, So find the solution
for unsolvable solutions. Yes, something, but no, everyone's saying no,
it's impossible. Yes, and this agency saying, hey, no, you'll try.
What of the stuff what they're doing, of course, and
it and the trust can but it is absolutely normal
and they will be not able to do the significant
(33:36):
step forward looking internet or steals or GPS all this
was caring from this agency, Yes, and it was lucky.
Now be part of this story.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yes, now, but where you are today, you are revolutionizing
the way packages are delivered now, correct, It is very good.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
The thing that I find most interesting about what you're
doing is you're so far in advance to the future.
For all you guys listening out there that haven't researched
Errows Corporation essentially the same right now. When we order
a package, it comes through truck trained boat with restrictions
or lack of like you say, a lack of freedom.
But because there's all these old school infrastructures in place,
(34:27):
but with Errows Corporation, what they're able to do. And
I'm just gonna put this in Layman's terms for non
technical terms so you could correct me. From what I
understand is you're able to deliver packages from your airship.
I'm guessing like a via drone and it it air drops.
That was like the best. I didn't want to. I'm
(34:47):
so embarrassed to do it in front of you, but
that's really exciting.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Rate and simple. Right, It's all about freedom, yes, freedom
of receiving the package, freedom of civil rights, freedom, right,
it's all there. It's all about freedom and social or
technical or economics. It's all about freedom. And as we
were talking about cell phone, it's your freedom, it's your
(35:17):
freedom from the virus exactly now today, right, the COVID
nineteen was horrible dark time, yes, but this kind of
time always producing some unique solutions, and COD nineteen produce them.
(35:39):
Online shopping, yeah, yes, from the Amazon. Amazon become Amazon
during the COVID nineteen because it's much more comfortable for
us using the online shopping. It's much more effective, much
more cheaper, and we got more freedom. We're not spending
time to go to Walmart's story. Spent hours, we got
(36:02):
more three times spent his family and exactly. Of course,
it's all about logistics, right in the logistics. Yeah, yeah,
because we don't have logistics. It doesn't matter how many
hours you spend on Amazon web page, the package will
not arrive. Yes, of course we become different, We become
(36:22):
less patient. We want to have stuff now, wars case
in two hours from now. Yes, they're no longer willing
to wait for other Roman.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Rise exactly in one week.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yes, great. Ten years ago, the visionary Jeff Basil, he
was clearly understand this and he was coming, Hey, here's
the urban city, right, and how can delivery what people
order in a couple of hours, Yes, let's a couple
of hours and the city of drone.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Oh he did come with the idea of drown.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
The idea, however, becoming to real life, right, And it's
a yeah picture, it's picture and very simple. You cannot
fly drown if you don't if remote pilots, pilot or
the drone don't see the drone exactly, and of course
on city is impossible. Yes, and it was become real issues.
(37:20):
Why we don't see drown when we was, and again
when it was coming to about a year ago, a
little bit more concludingly saying, okay, we already build the
best shipsyes. Next we can build another best Yes, but
it's not fun anymore because you're already done.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yes, of course, because you're always moving the goal post, right.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, you constantly feel hungry and poor exactly. The moment
was you're not feel poor as life ended, and to
continue to feel poor, we decide to create the industry.
We have very she was, we're able to do everything. Industry.
It's about address every human needs, starting with packages.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Now we're saying, okay, great, I grabbed the drone, I
put on my airship and make my reship as flying
the house.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, and now my drawing pick.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Up the stuff from my airship and flying to your doorstep. Yes,
and the pilot to the drawn located on airship. You
always see the drone.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Whatever. Okay? Is this safety everything okay?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
And you're addressing huge market. Yes, because when you start
building industry, it's about economy and how much money your
investor will make and how much money your clients will make. Yes,
and signe to this economy of course, nothing biggest the
(38:44):
logistic Yes, words logistics. It's not sexy words, yes, absolutely not,
but in reality it's huge.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yes, we all rely on it. Yeah, it's it's the
largest thing. Literally, everything we have relies on it.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
And I can to you delivery much cheaper and much lester, exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
But now you see where the with everyone relying on deliveries,
you already see how logistics is getting crammed up because
they're trying to cut the cost of logistics, the cost
to distribute the packages, but at the same time increase
the speed of which it gets to the person. So
now if you order a package on Amazon, not trying
to throw shade at Amazon, but your package can say
(39:25):
it's gonna arrive in a day, sometimes it's two to
three days. Is no longer dependable, You can no longer
depend on it anymore. But now you're This is why
I said to you the night we met, when you
said you were crazy, I was like, crazy changes the
world because what you're able to do is say, Okay,
I'm gonna think so grandiose that I'm gonna say I'm
gonna use these arrowships that I designed or and we're
(39:48):
gonna use it to address this solution. It straight reminds
me of I don't know something so far the Jetsons,
you know what I'm saying, Like that far in the
future obviously not because you're doing it now.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
So it's not because.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
So only deliver packages in California.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
We're doing what we're doing right again to boring stuff
of logistic right or try to use you got Amazon
when right? Who by the way, is very inefficient because
one went delivered two hundred and fifty packages and required
all day right, yeah, because of traffic, location of the
houses outside, blah blah blah blah, we can do the
(40:28):
same only four thousand packages and a couple of hours
versus ten hours.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Four thousand and a couple of hours.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yes, that's actually lessen a couple hours, much less. But
because he has hairdship, he has drums and he's just
flying delivery ups.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And down and they delivered individual house.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
That's yes, absolutely absolutely this next for this we created
she would call Ira e mail eight or six. It's
small and airship everything small. It's huge, it's just four
hundred feet long. Kids a small one unable to care
for thousand packages. And we call this last mile because
(41:13):
last miles, mean delivered it to your doorstep your business.
The next one, how the stuff moved between the house
to the house. Yeah, it's from very house to the store.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
This boarding term and logistic it's middle.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Mile, meadow mile. Okay, I got it, middle mile.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
It's you need to move pallets. We all saw that
semi trail tracks with care just five six pallets inside,
but there's six so much space right now we're coming
with this next model and of other airscraft electrical viable.
Boy in er see it's sixty six store. It's able
to move pallets. Wow.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
So wait, what was the one that delivers the pack was?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Metal mile? What was the last one?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
You said, last?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Last mile? Meadle? Minds last But you've already accomplished last.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Mile, and now the exploring the build already last mile, Ergy.
Now the building has been thousand and thousands. Of the vehicles,
the boat, not one, not too not three because I
was saying it's boring to build again, Ergy, already done best.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
But now your aerowships and I'm again I've been digging
doing research. But the aerowships are they kept at one
thousand pounds per airship?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
No again for last mile on last miles four thousand
packagees over ten.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Thousand pounds, ten thousand pounds in the last it's eighteen
thousand pounds eighteen towns.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah, because this way today the city of La Yes,
and they got a bunch of the warehouses around the
city because deliver it to your district, to your portion outside.
You can know you need to be close to this
because delivery across the seat. Everyone trade to drive in
the traffic hours in the city. And we all understanding
(43:06):
it's crazy. Yes, it does now, it's right, take a
long time. Now I can have one biggery house, but
a lot of small ones.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
And I'm just flying from this big way house with
my achieve and the distance it's not big, it's it's
twenty emails fly to max. But be moving all these trucks, wents,
delivery wents in the street. Yes, and you're having fun.
It's more secure because I'm going to drop your package
(43:36):
in your backyard, yes or court yard.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
It's basically the people who are stealing the Amazon packages
will be retired now they cannot steal. They can find
different jobs more. It's more productive. I changed complete understanding.
You don't need to wait you can order and receive.
Now you ask the business, right you're ordering I don't
(44:04):
know these microphones? Yes, now I can bring to you
polots of these microphones now, yes, versus for you to
wait and wait. Yes, you're making more money because you're
waiting less, you're paying less for delivery. Yes, your client's
more happy. You're coming back to everyone's happy.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
And that's what that was gonna be My next question.
So now you invest all this money into the technology.
This is where it gets mathematically. This is where I'm curious.
How does it break down where it costs the client
it saves the client money in is it in the
long run or the short run?
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Immediately immediately.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
I'm trying to not use technical of course, go ahead,
I like it.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Get passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Okay, think this way today. The cost what you're paying
sometimes you're paying for this delivery of your package is
handing payment. Amazon saying to you, for example, free delivery. No,
it's not the free delivery.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, of course, of.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Course it's expensive delivery.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
You can imagine how much really be couse delivery when
one guy one went delivery only two hundred fifty packages. Yeah,
very expensive. Yeah, plus and children's from the way and
guess on the way. Yeah, working said blah blah, very
expensive proposition, right, yeah, of course if you will get
(45:35):
one big win deliveryus versus two hundred fifty packages, if
you delivered five thousand packages versus one day every hour, Yeah,
she has your money.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Yes, I see it. So how do you grow a
corporation like this? There's a like venture capital? Like, how
does it? I'm confused, like I don't know, I genuinely
don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
But they working in this life.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, no, of course, how do you scale a company
like yours?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Money?
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Investment investment?
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, but we, of course we are outside of the
venture capital.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, so how do you fund the company that's outside
of venture capital?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Very simple. There's a number of the ways. It's private
institution of financing England, the large financial company providing investment.
And of course it's family. It's what the beauty of the.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Did you say family?
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Public?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Public? Public? Because they spend all their money on the
more hilarious did you say they spend all the money
on the aeroship of course?
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, but yeah it's the Wall Street right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
The corporation is publicly traded not yet not yeah, okay,
the personal.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Visit our web page w w aerosct dot com. Were
it now, it's called the Security Change Commission. It's called
test the water. We basically it's no obligated. We're looking
at how many people willing to buy our stacks if
you become public? Okay, some kind of register, it's not obligated.
(47:17):
When people just express the interest.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Oh where do they go to do that?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
But to our web page. It's again w w irs
craft A E R O s craft dot com and
the one tap registered. Now it sounds when you got
all our story, what will happening? And you can register
as potential either going public.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Wow, I'm going to be I'm going to be on
that list.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, you're going to watch make sure you I have
to be on the list.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
You're the future, No, the future?
Speaker 2 (47:53):
What is now?
Speaker 1 (47:54):
You are now?
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Exactly? Yes? Yeah no, but this is the beauty in
eating when they grab the future.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
And put now, Yeah, the future is now with you,
The future is now.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
No, I am just one of them. You want to
including people nine by the way, yes, because all them
it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
And then just for you guys, is gonna You're gonna
allow us to come to to the hangar and check
it out. And then do you have an actual pilot
that sits in the aircraft?
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Oh so there is somebody up there there or is
there like a million people in the aircraft? Fire?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Again depends on the model. Yes, the Cargege pilots in
the airplane, because if you want to fly over to
the Sieges, yeah, of course you need to have pilots.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
And then when you this is random, this is like
an ignorant question. But if you ever have to fly somewhere, yeah,
do you ever just say.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yes, my here's the only one solo flight was kept
him in Chine in ninety five for ninety six because
of anyway, they was very poor. We built some airsive
couple of years ago, middle of the nightighties and the
(49:14):
pilot who was supposed to be coming to China and
the ship for some reason, she was finding a good
looking girl and he not arrived, and I got my people.
I never flyers before, and I tell touchiness, I'm the pilot.
(49:36):
I arrived in China and they're saying, there's your license.
I think they don't have license, but I'm the pilot
and they just showed to me on the one guy
who's thinking in the corner with white helmet with big
red star on the helmet. Think it's your co pile
And look on the I never knew before. And I
(49:57):
look on this guy and I was just want to
ask so many kids he has? And can I have
the phone number of his wife? Because probability of him
be alive after my flight? Who knows? And I try
to convince Chinese I am experienced, I know what I'm doing.
They always need to fly alone in the second, No
(50:18):
way it's gonna China and never alone. To the former
flying alone Chinese airspace, I tell them I'm okay, I'm
from such union. I'm really communist. After Tory minus discussion side,
after this probably three four hours discussion, this bigin I
(50:39):
receive approval and I am proud to fears and proba
or alone in Chinese airspace.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Oh my goodness. All right, I can't believe that story.
All right, thank you Egor for cooking for me and
spending time with me. I hope you had a good time, absolutely, and.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah you and your little bit, but.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
We're gonna be able to come out and check out
your digs okay, cool, and I want to go. Can
am I able to go inside the airship for real?
And then the is the outside delicate? I will see Okay,
I have so many questions. I did a lot of research,
so I'm very excited and I hope to I will
see packages being delivered to my home, bea drone, and
(51:32):
I will never forget this moment. It's every single ying. Yes, yes,
Thank you guys for tuning in, and be sure to
fo go to ww dot arrows arrowscraft dot com if
you do want to potentially get stuck or just keep
(51:53):
up with the corporation and watch everything they're doing, or
if you're a business owner and you want to sign
up to get your cargo delivered to your customers.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Right or you just want to see cool stuff, or
you just.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Want to see cool stuff. Thanks y'all for tuning in.
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Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating Wild Broke.
I'm your host, Colleen, and today we have very special guests,
aviation entrepreneur, first ever in the building. Ever in the
history of Eating While Broke? Have you had an entrepreneur
of aviation? The CEO and founder of Arrows Corporation is
in the building. Yes, yes, just a little backstory. I
(00:34):
just happened to be at Igor's house, which was absolutely beautiful.
You were kind enough to let me tour and invade
your space a little bit. But just hearing that you
design airships is you don't come across that every day. So, guys,
just so you know, all I was there was like, hey,
what do you think about being on a show where
we talk about your humble beginnings? And Igor was like,
(00:57):
I'm a little crazy, and I was like, crazy changes
the world? World? Yeah, or more Chris, Yeah, I believe
it changes the world. So I said, what would you
have me eating if you were to come on Eating
While Broke? And what are you gonna have me eat today?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
They were eating waste, no restaurants, roads.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Okay, so what was that?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It's beautiful, beautiful, unbelievable and beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Top Rammer top ramen, and then what else does you
have us eating?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh no, this is not the food. It's the life saving.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It's life saving.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, but you ready to live this life because you're hungry.
It's called you safe, your wife.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, what is it our boiled eggs? You gotta cook
them first. Yeah, so we're gonna have harboiled eggs, guys
and some ramen. Go ahead. Igor says he never really cooks.
We now have it on camera that you will be cooking.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Okay, I always cook.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Oh, you always cook.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Of course. Look in reality, right when you're hungry, you're hungry,
and you're always looking for efficiency in this life. Nothing
can be more efficient than roman and eggs because you
can cook and the same time think about something else,
(02:19):
like your next trip to restaurant.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yes, et restaurant.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Okay, the secret is my secret, but don't tell to anyone.
You need gently.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You gotta boil the water personal.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, to boil the water they need fish.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Just turn both those knobs the other way. Yep, the
other way. Yeah, yet there, and then do the other
one because you're boiling. You're boiling both, right.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Not necessary today to do some experimentation cooking experiment. Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
For some strange reason, I'm nervous about your cooking because
when we first met, you were like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Cook really cooked sixty one and still wie.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Okay, okay, come on, come on ahead.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Cook Yeah, yeah, it's supposed to be start start boiling.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And then what about the hardboiled egs? Do you put.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
The agreed to do some experiments?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh, you're okay, then some Okay, we're gonna see all right,
do you want to turn off that other part or
do you want to keep it running? You want to
turn it off? Yeah, that's that's done. Yep, Okay, we're
gonna watch it. I think I know what is gonna do.
(03:43):
By the way, did I say your name? Pastornik? Is
the I didn't even say your name? Did I?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I did? Okay, okay, So igor take me back to
what was going on in the times where you were
eating this on a more regular basis.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
So he did some more regular really, yes, of course.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Okay. Take me back to humble times.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Humble times and still humble, yes, humble times.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So it's very when times were a little financially strained.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
When you're running small business, yeah, small business, you're always
financially strength with the issues or problem or happiness. You
achieve one goal, you already got another goal. Yeah, and
next goal always bigger than previous one, and next goal
taking more money. You never become this feeling of financial independency. Yeah,
(04:41):
because this every project, you just become addictives to the challenge. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Now do you think that's more of a life of
an entrepreneur or do you think people that have nine
to five's go through that battle.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Nine you never know what it's right nine to fine
or they were trying to change the world, or you
will be know to a second before we die. But unfortunately
in this moment we cannot talk anymore. You keep the
secret with us. I think in reality, everyone going through this, Yeah,
because everyone especially following the American dream or a bigger Yeah,
(05:19):
it's the probably honor to be American. It's you're trying
to achieve something more and more for your family, for
your dream, for yourself, for your friends, and this kind
of NonStop process because if you stop, we become different.
You're not longer mankind to become human being. Yeah, and
(05:42):
everyone's struggling with this. Is you show to me one
billionaire who will be saying she's okay, it's not true.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Have you read the book The Psychology of Money?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
No, I never read books.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
You don't. You don't read you're an engineer, and they're
not really no.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Very simple and not really books because books as soon
as the people's opinion, and I got to do everything
my own opinion.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Okay, oh, I never thought of it like that. But then,
but okay, you're an engineer, right. Engineers build off of
what other people have, kind of trial and error.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Right, it's probably it's different engineers, right, Okay, different engineers
probably when what we're doing, I'll consider everyone bodyline between
science and engineering.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
From one sign, it's more kind of applies science and
in some way because signs a lot to you to
operating the real data and saying what I can do
today what yesterday was impossible. Yes, because I become not
more smarter, I become more dealing this data. I realize
(06:56):
something new on this data. Basically, it's the science.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yes, when you've.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Got the data, you observe the data, your knowledge, and
you find the pattern in this data.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The engineering portion, it's when you're thinking, okay, now I
can do something, not just better as device, Right, is
I can do in principle new device? What can be
changed something based on this data? You're training your brain
in some way, right, it's what is uniqueness? Be on
(07:29):
the borderline, because on the same side you're doing experimental
in your head. What is engineering? Wine, because much more progressive,
but again it's more apply science from engineering.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
You just come closer and speak into this mic just
a little bit, yes, yes, okay, I am closer, a
little bit closer.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
This morn.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah. I want you to like less than this much
away all right? Yeah, sorry, you fascinating me.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
About what for all of it? All of it? Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I like the way you explain engineering versus the science
and the engineering and how it all comes together.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah. No, the old ambitions, right, our ambitions when the young,
the more ambitions when we are sixteen years old. We
believe it. Our parents, our relatives, especially our clothes relatives
who much older than they are.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
They wrong, they're wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
They're wrong. Of course we got to move you know
the world much better. Yeah, yes, especially correct to my
life experience. Girls starting about twelve years Asian boys about
a little bit better. They about fifteen. Yeah, but they
all know the parents wrong in the view of the world,
and they always yeah, okay, now we're moving next step right,
(08:58):
reach about eighteen geen and this moment we believe and
we can change the world because world built wrong and
they need to only are capable to make world better place.
And as the growing up and the gaining life experience,
the realizing it's not about in this world, it's not
(09:22):
so much about you as revolutionary changing. It's about to
leave the world better place than you leave. Then you
come and this point, your ambitionance is built around this.
You don't have any more ambitions on the base your
parents stupid. You don't have any more ambitions. Everything in
(09:48):
the world is wrong and everything needs to be changed.
You're realizing the beauty of the world. You're realizing the
beauty of the light. And you're just trying to use
your talent to make better place for your family, for
your unity, for your city, for engineers to come in
with something that make life of the people. But it's
(10:08):
always something motivating us. This is what is saying is
difference between mankind and human being. And it's not about
nine to six jobs or for twenty four hours and
be world. Yeah, yeah, it's everyone motivating. Same. Yeah, just
some people stupid like me, they decide the hard ways,
(10:30):
and people more smart we decide to go more normally.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yes, Hold on one second.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, I see this device is not working.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
You turned off the stove. Hold on, hold on?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Okay, there, I was planning to ask for school driver.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
And change change and to fix it, do your engineer hack.
So take me back. You're born in the Ukraine, in
Soviet Union, in Soviet Union. Okay, Now where did the
bug for aerosh or aviation come into play?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It's probably need to step away. What the Soviet Union
was back there in sixties sixty seventies, right, it's about
three hundred years ago. There was this was very special
country had to say special. But let's assume this words
special and in some way unique.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Unique, Yeah, unique and noting.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
They go to why notice words of uniqueness and the
idea of the do something was very limited, right, because
it's a communist system. It's basically you as individual, you're
not thinking about money. Money not exist. Yeah, and it's
because it's only what this exists. As kids watching the
(11:52):
movie Soviet movie, is you are changing something for a
better the country? Yes, because it's known as the option,
the attorney it's not good. The doctors it's okay, but
not really good. And then in this for people like
me who has got born with some kind of logical
(12:14):
structure thinking and Sinata war was born mentally sick. Yeah,
it was not as a way outside of engineering, because
engineering it was what did you feel? It was not?
There was no options? Why aviation? I don't know. It
was probably five years old, and I just said it
(12:35):
will be aviation because it was fun.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Because it was fun. Did you just have a fascination
with airplanes? I think war balloons or helium.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
No, it started to use airplanes of course, okay, because
you don't see any balloons. Yeah there, but probably because
this way. Yeah, I already mentioned mentally sick. Yeah, yeah,
what is I was decided to so you be pilot,
and I decided to be aviation.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Engineer okay, okay, versus a pilot, versus a pilot. So
how do your parents take the news that you want
to get into building airplanes?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Probably some way as they take the news when my
five years old, Some tell me you want to be
president of the United States.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, okay, okay, okay. So they were very positive about it.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Oh yeah, five years old.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yea, yeah, yeah, but then when you start to pursue it,
how did they take it?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
From beginning it was okay. In some point it was
a little bit not okay because it was there was
no companies were going to work right, This was more
hobby line. No one was building airship, insuit union, no
one design union. And of course there was worried. I'lbeit
(13:58):
to some kind of dreamers of course, or probably saying
there's a lot of fantasy in my head because they
was worried. But eventually not let them any choices.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, they just had to accept it. Yeah, yeah, now
you faced. I read online that you okay, go ahead,
cook for a moment.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
You need to make sure we removed everything from the
Sometimes they put special packages plas.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, they put a little seasoning pack in there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Profession okay, now yeah, just watch me the tree.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Okay, I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna watch okay.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, you see how professionally make hands moving.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Okay, I see.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
It's years and toms and toms. That's product. Okay, Now gently.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Success, are you cooking one or two package? Cook too?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah? You're right, two of us?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
No long yeah, you need to have something for dinner
to exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I understand. Oh how these buildings is especially especially pick
up these packages for me to straggle.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yes, you are really struggling with this.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Are you cheating me? It's required all effort.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I know you don't make this on a regular Let
me help you. It's gonna fly everywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
There just using some devices. It's helping the process. By
the way. Eight and again the most important remove all
moon cooking parts because they don't just mistaken many times.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Oh with the packet, you're hilarious.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well not me. They just put and there's no warn, acknowledged, nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Okay, there you got your little package out the way.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, and the same it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
No, I need some device right there, yep, use that,
that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Something my practice.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, because when it gets soft, they'll move around through it. Okay.
I heard I had read online that early on in
your studies you faced discrimination for being Jewish. Is that true?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Look back to church union to be jew This was
not the most popular line. Yeah, but here's the probably
The point is it's nothing to do with religion. Yeah,
to be Jewish your bloodline, Yes, it's it was got
domestic id and kind of domestic pastor. And this was
(16:41):
line five, what was called nationality. But it's not nationality
in the way of your citizenship emotionality.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
It's your bloodline, yeah, your DNA, Yeah, yeah, it's and
it's was.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Saying and I was saying Juan as people saying Russian
or Ukrainian. Yes. And for some reason, actually we can
talk for a long time where jew was not very
popular in Soviet Union, especially after after Jews started immigrating
to Israel from the Soviet Union the United States. And
(17:14):
basically the idea was logical trested logical right, because the
approach was, okay, if Ju going atviation university and country
will teach him, he will be exposed to all secrets.
So the sign and after this goodbye, you can find
him on Israel in the I mean it was and
(17:36):
of course Soviet was got anti Semitic policy government, the
government and not talking about on everyday life. It's always
wasn't the simitis wasn't present starting from a long time ago.
It was there, but from the government point, it was
restriction for Jew which university you can go and which
(17:58):
position you can obtain and blah, blah blah, a member
of the party, not a member of the party. And
it's a lot of this.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So how do you handle that when you're going to
into aviation where you need a lot of schooling.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I was never able to attend aviation. But in my
seating leave in Ukraine where I grow up was wonderful
library and it was my education and I was all
my life. I very lucky. I meet wonderful people. In
some point when I was probably teenager, A meet people
(18:31):
who was working in one of the vs large company
in Soviet Union who built big airplanes, and they was
got volunteer like volunteer design bureau. They was designing a
receipts and three times from work there was classical engineers. Yeah,
it's as much you can be engineered.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And the one of the guys is no longer with us.
His name was Alex Blankio. He wrote some article on
kids technical magazine. In this article or something letter he
responded and from there every sing begin.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And so did you start working for the company once
he's he responded.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Or no, it was no company. It was was hobby, okay,
hobby for him, for his colleagues and for me, I
was this kid who was literally believed, this will be
my profession. Yeah, through my career.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
She respawned, and it was so what happens when he responds?
Do you go work for him? Do you intern? Do
you hang out with him?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Do you know it's just starts writing technical letter to
each other. He wasn't ky if I wasn't. Yeah, but
it's not you remember about the ex.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Experiment?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Okay, okay, don't blame me late to.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
The Okay, all right? So he popped egg into the ramen,
got it.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Brooking? It was not mindful anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Do you have to mix it?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, before it's become.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Before it becomes a pie. Okay, okay, and then when
I'm gonna try and stay out of it. But do
you have to season it? Or you got to drop
the seasoning in there? Man, I'm helping you. Man, We've
all got to eat this.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Oh my god, it's secret.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
So as what point do you move to New York?
Because New York the first place you leave or where's
the first place you leave to go to in America?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
New York, New York is supposed to be like everyone
change has become. Garbagioe was a really huge figure in
this life. He changed a lot of stuff. Francis was
a very nick moment when Soviets was got Garbachioe and
in America was Reagan. It was two absolutely outstanding tuberments,
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right and start Pedistroica. In Sweet Union, we start more
able to create our private company to the airships and
do the airships and everything was developed. Swears Union collapse
become not the easy time on Sweet Union collapse because
(21:37):
the parts we was buying through all the countryan collabs.
Now economical lateness and supply chain, it's all become distructive.
And in ninety one was before official s Virginian collapse,
the Kijibi, the Communists was trying to take over the
(21:57):
country and at this moment it was start clearly understanding
they can come back.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And it was very simple outside of everything, not acceptance
of the Soviet system and believing it's really people. It's
basically believing in this idea. There was not so many
places and it was really understand me and my colleagues.
We was clearly understanding at this moment nothing to do there, yeah,
(22:26):
not because we cannot proceed our dream building the best airship.
And the same time this evil can come back. And
we see it's come back in Russia, right, yeah, you
see the artist startled probably in search Union. We was
never thinking about this possible. Yeah, and from this point,
(22:48):
oh yeah, I forgot to mention. In late actually late eighties,
me and my family and with my parents, my wonderful
was and my sister, we received the the refuge status
from United status was able to immigrate to the United States.
(23:11):
When Perestroica begin and Hope begin, it was hey, it's
better to stay where you are, right yeah, because you
could believe it the place where you are that the
hope become let's say normal place.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And of course in ninety one when it's happening, it
was pure message, that's it, nothing to do there, okay,
And I walk to my father, told him that's it.
They can come back, trying to pack they left before
me and I arrived in the United State in ninety three.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And how old were you?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I was pretty old, okay, I was twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Okay, okay, let's stop fairly young, but yeah, yeah, compare years.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Now young, yeah yah, but back then I was pretty
anyway ollow trying to confuse me.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
No, I'm shying, you know what you're probably burning down up. Okay,
I should have left the overhead camera on, man, so
I could see what you're doing. Do you need to
add some water to it? It looks like you some help.
Come on, I'll help you out.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
We're eating some egg and heavily seasoned ramen. You need
this water, at least a little bit of it. Let's
use this before No, I think you could stir it
up and feed us.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Okay, are ready?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Let's see does the egg cooked? Does your theory work? Sorry,
all right, don't feed me. I'm gonna eat it. I'm hungry.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
But how youth?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I have good health insurance. That's crazy that this is
the first time someone has ever asked me that. Okay,
that looks good.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I give you the best sport someone. Yeah, remember this
next name?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yes, I will remember. This looks good.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Listeners did best?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I don't know. It looks good. It looks legit. The
egg looks cooked.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Listen, my teeth was growing this. They're still a wife.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Let's try this.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I'll whatever less will take this? Mean? Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Okay, ready, yeah, let's take this. Please, little protective bodies,
we know he cooked this egg right into the pot.
Please protect it's name Braben. Mhm, what just it is fine? Wow,
(25:46):
someone someone had to test.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It had to be me.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Huh. Honestly, you did pretty good. The noodles are heavily overcooked.
You know what, I had no expectations for you. I'm
just happy that you cooked, because I promise you. When
I met you, you were like, I don't cook.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
It's perfect, it's fun. Yeah, it's the best piece.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
You can't mess up. Romen, It's impossible. Have you done
it before? You're hilarious. No, that's so the first airship
you designed, you end up I guess do you end
up get advertising, ends up being your first client or
like with the.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
In the Service Union, Yes, okay, in the United States, Yeah,
because we ended eventually after New York, we ended in
the Cuttle Air Force Base in central Tolifornia. We was
lucky big. There was wonderful Governor Pete Wilson who invits
and the base was on the closure in the protest
(26:54):
of the closing. But from one point in this base
was a bunch of the Russians speaking. Nothing was speaking.
The Russians speaking was building the airship in one corner
of the Hunger and another corner of the hunger was
B fifty two EMPTYC one thirty five going through active
duty flying.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, so you did I know it said that you
designed the air airship for the military, right can you?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah? Military, what you're trying to achieve? We build a
lot of airship advertising for surveillance. Airstarts today the definitely
the most successful company in the world in this area
and a lot of styff. The only one, the only
one company in the United States who achieved and produced
(27:41):
type certified by a fairship. What type certifying by every airship,
the only one on the second company in the world
who actively producing type certifi airships. Basically they a lot
of commercial flights airplanes. When you're going to flights, the
(28:02):
same certification on blowing seventy seven or an hour.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
So your airships can do commercial flights, and I know
it can do cargo, but it can't.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
But seven ceraplace. Yeah, airship is just pot work now,
it's all about application, right.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
The legis let's put this wing. Let's step away from
airs if everything right, If you look at the world
globally right now, they're very lucky. We saw the rise
of internet is so the rise of the mobile communication.
Now you're watching the rise of the artificial talents. Yea,
(28:38):
what it's all about about freedom? Yes, Internet, when internet
is to make information excestreme information available everywhere. Before we
uys need to go to library for information. Now it's
in your hands. You got everything in any book, any
(29:01):
data well for you, doesn't matter where you are. Yes,
you don't need to go and laborates infrastructure right same
heading with mobile communication. Before we was going to need
to send message. We always need to pick up the
phone from what's connected with wires or fax machine, what's
connected with wires.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
To infrastructure infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Right now we can communicate anywhere because of mobile communication. Yes,
it's freedom without infrastructure or communication. Yes, but only left
it only left for mankind our development, but only not
change its transportation of the cargo, Yes, because we're still
moving the fray same way as.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Train car the traditional routes. But with your company, you
don't do it that way, you guys.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Because here's the point, right because limit your limitation. It's
not in the truck, it's a freeway. Yeah, your limitation
not in the airplane. It's where the airport. It's all
the limitation infrastructure with if you can against say I
can do the same for logistic what was done Internet
(30:13):
for information, which yes, because I don't need a restructure.
Now it's just as a skin equation the nature of
vership because it's buoys, it's just floating without spending enters.
But now it's how you make this device and the
number of the technical challenges to make this device practical.
One of them you don't need to You must be
(30:35):
able not to learn to pick up in a float
cargo because if you're coming to the ground, that's it ground.
Your infrastruction using everything is one of them. Yes, another
one of course, this kind of classical everyone was whole boons.
Now let ballons go, it's goes no imagine if they
(30:56):
bring the cargo, you'll drop the cargo. And what happened
to ers is going up. Yes, we need to liam
how control what is called buoyancy to make sure we're
not going happ and we stay where we're supposed to
be stayed. Yes, this was always major to problems. Why
as today we're looking in the skuis there of course
(31:18):
military federal government because they got the largest task. It's
not protect the United States, it's mean resupply of the
true sports projections and the same time, US military responsible
for disaster relief around the world. It's when something happened
in Haiti or Thailand, the fiscal coming, it's US military
(31:42):
who providing disasters for them. It was natural equation to
solve this logistical problem of the facing every day. Yes,
and of course Department of Defense and starting from Dartwin
with the special Agency who create the Internet and everything
modern day, put the challenge. Yes, the challenge was can
(32:04):
someone coming this system, this airship, what can control the points?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
It was competition, yes, but no, no one of our
competitor has got any chance. That's impossible to learn discwel
and federal government following with one program next program. They
help us to build our prototypeical with massive participation and
honestly is one of the uniques of our government of
(32:34):
a government, federal government able to facilitate this kind of
technological change.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
They put they had the initiative, so say let's invest
in the in the future of where things can because that.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Poet what I mentioned it was created during the president
is not how and THEDEA of the Defense Advanced Research
Progress Agency is when so it launched the Sputnik it's
start alight and there was a big surprise in the
United States, and basically in how I created that saying
no more surprises technological.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
This agency ask you these challenges, So find the solution
for unsolvable solutions. Yes, something, but no, everyone's saying no,
it's impossible. Yes, and this agency saying, hey, no, you'll try.
What of the stuff what they're doing, of course, and
it and the trust can but it is absolutely normal
and they will be not able to do the significant
(33:36):
step forward looking internet or steals or GPS all this
was caring from this agency, Yes, and it was lucky.
Now be part of this story.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yes, now, but where you are today, you are revolutionizing
the way packages are delivered now, correct, It is very good.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
The thing that I find most interesting about what you're
doing is you're so far in advance to the future.
For all you guys listening out there that haven't researched
Errows Corporation essentially the same right now. When we order
a package, it comes through truck trained boat with restrictions
or lack of like you say, a lack of freedom.
But because there's all these old school infrastructures in place,
(34:27):
but with Errows Corporation, what they're able to do. And
I'm just gonna put this in Layman's terms for non
technical terms so you could correct me. From what I
understand is you're able to deliver packages from your airship.
I'm guessing like a via drone and it it air drops.
That was like the best. I didn't want to. I'm
(34:47):
so embarrassed to do it in front of you, but
that's really exciting.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Rate and simple. Right, It's all about freedom, yes, freedom
of receiving the package, freedom of civil rights, freedom, right,
it's all there. It's all about freedom and social or
technical or economics. It's all about freedom. And as we
were talking about cell phone, it's your freedom, it's your
(35:17):
freedom from the virus exactly now today, right, the COVID
nineteen was horrible dark time, yes, but this kind of
time always producing some unique solutions, and COD nineteen produce them.
(35:39):
Online shopping, yeah, yes, from the Amazon. Amazon become Amazon
during the COVID nineteen because it's much more comfortable for
us using the online shopping. It's much more effective, much
more cheaper, and we got more freedom. We're not spending
time to go to Walmart's story. Spent hours, we got
(36:02):
more three times spent his family and exactly. Of course,
it's all about logistics, right in the logistics. Yeah, yeah,
because we don't have logistics. It doesn't matter how many
hours you spend on Amazon web page, the package will
not arrive. Yes, of course we become different, We become
(36:22):
less patient. We want to have stuff now, wars case
in two hours from now. Yes, they're no longer willing
to wait for other Roman.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Rise exactly in one week.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yes, great. Ten years ago, the visionary Jeff Basil, he
was clearly understand this and he was coming, Hey, here's
the urban city, right, and how can delivery what people
order in a couple of hours, Yes, let's a couple
of hours and the city of drone.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Oh he did come with the idea of drown.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
The idea, however, becoming to real life, right, And it's
a yeah picture, it's picture and very simple. You cannot
fly drown if you don't if remote pilots, pilot or
the drone don't see the drone exactly, and of course
on city is impossible. Yes, and it was become real issues.
(37:20):
Why we don't see drown when we was, and again
when it was coming to about a year ago, a
little bit more concludingly saying, okay, we already build the
best shipsyes. Next we can build another best Yes, but
it's not fun anymore because you're already done.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yes, of course, because you're always moving the goal post, right.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, you constantly feel hungry and poor exactly. The moment
was you're not feel poor as life ended, and to
continue to feel poor, we decide to create the industry.
We have very she was, we're able to do everything. Industry.
It's about address every human needs, starting with packages.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Now we're saying, okay, great, I grabbed the drone, I
put on my airship and make my reship as flying
the house.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, and now my drawing pick.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Up the stuff from my airship and flying to your doorstep. Yes,
and the pilot to the drawn located on airship. You
always see the drone.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Whatever. Okay? Is this safety everything okay?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
And you're addressing huge market. Yes, because when you start
building industry, it's about economy and how much money your
investor will make and how much money your clients will make. Yes,
and signe to this economy of course, nothing biggest the
(38:44):
logistic Yes, words logistics. It's not sexy words, yes, absolutely not,
but in reality it's huge.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yes, we all rely on it. Yeah, it's it's the
largest thing. Literally, everything we have relies on it.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
And I can to you delivery much cheaper and much lester, exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
But now you see where the with everyone relying on deliveries,
you already see how logistics is getting crammed up because
they're trying to cut the cost of logistics, the cost
to distribute the packages, but at the same time increase
the speed of which it gets to the person. So
now if you order a package on Amazon, not trying
to throw shade at Amazon, but your package can say
(39:25):
it's gonna arrive in a day, sometimes it's two to
three days. Is no longer dependable, You can no longer
depend on it anymore. But now you're This is why
I said to you the night we met, when you
said you were crazy, I was like, crazy changes the
world because what you're able to do is say, Okay,
I'm gonna think so grandiose that I'm gonna say I'm
gonna use these arrowships that I designed or and we're
(39:48):
gonna use it to address this solution. It straight reminds
me of I don't know something so far the Jetsons,
you know what I'm saying, Like that far in the
future obviously not because you're doing it now.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
So it's not because.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
So only deliver packages in California.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
We're doing what we're doing right again to boring stuff
of logistic right or try to use you got Amazon
when right? Who by the way, is very inefficient because
one went delivered two hundred and fifty packages and required
all day right, yeah, because of traffic, location of the
houses outside, blah blah blah blah, we can do the
(40:28):
same only four thousand packages and a couple of hours
versus ten hours.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Four thousand and a couple of hours.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yes, that's actually lessen a couple hours, much less. But
because he has hairdship, he has drums and he's just
flying delivery ups.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And down and they delivered individual house.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
That's yes, absolutely absolutely this next for this we created
she would call Ira e mail eight or six. It's
small and airship everything small. It's huge, it's just four
hundred feet long. Kids a small one unable to care
for thousand packages. And we call this last mile because
(41:13):
last miles, mean delivered it to your doorstep your business.
The next one, how the stuff moved between the house
to the house. Yeah, it's from very house to the store.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
This boarding term and logistic it's middle.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Mile, meadow mile. Okay, I got it, middle mile.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
It's you need to move pallets. We all saw that
semi trail tracks with care just five six pallets inside,
but there's six so much space right now we're coming
with this next model and of other airscraft electrical viable.
Boy in er see it's sixty six store. It's able
to move pallets. Wow.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
So wait, what was the one that delivers the pack was?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Metal mile? What was the last one?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
You said, last?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Last mile? Meadle? Minds last But you've already accomplished last.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Mile, and now the exploring the build already last mile, Ergy.
Now the building has been thousand and thousands. Of the vehicles,
the boat, not one, not too not three because I
was saying it's boring to build again, Ergy, already done best.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
But now your aerowships and I'm again I've been digging
doing research. But the aerowships are they kept at one
thousand pounds per airship?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
No again for last mile on last miles four thousand
packagees over ten.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Thousand pounds, ten thousand pounds in the last it's eighteen
thousand pounds eighteen towns.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah, because this way today the city of La Yes,
and they got a bunch of the warehouses around the
city because deliver it to your district, to your portion outside.
You can know you need to be close to this
because delivery across the seat. Everyone trade to drive in
the traffic hours in the city. And we all understanding
(43:06):
it's crazy. Yes, it does now, it's right, take a
long time. Now I can have one biggery house, but
a lot of small ones.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
And I'm just flying from this big way house with
my achieve and the distance it's not big, it's it's
twenty emails fly to max. But be moving all these trucks, wents,
delivery wents in the street. Yes, and you're having fun.
It's more secure because I'm going to drop your package
(43:36):
in your backyard, yes or court yard.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
It's basically the people who are stealing the Amazon packages
will be retired now they cannot steal. They can find
different jobs more. It's more productive. I changed complete understanding.
You don't need to wait you can order and receive.
Now you ask the business, right you're ordering I don't
(44:04):
know these microphones? Yes, now I can bring to you
polots of these microphones now, yes, versus for you to
wait and wait. Yes, you're making more money because you're
waiting less, you're paying less for delivery. Yes, your client's
more happy. You're coming back to everyone's happy.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
And that's what that was gonna be My next question.
So now you invest all this money into the technology.
This is where it gets mathematically. This is where I'm curious.
How does it break down where it costs the client
it saves the client money in is it in the
long run or the short run?
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Immediately immediately.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
I'm trying to not use technical of course, go ahead,
I like it.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Get passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Okay, think this way today. The cost what you're paying
sometimes you're paying for this delivery of your package is
handing payment. Amazon saying to you, for example, free delivery. No,
it's not the free delivery.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, of course, of.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Course it's expensive delivery.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
You can imagine how much really be couse delivery when
one guy one went delivery only two hundred fifty packages. Yeah,
very expensive. Yeah, plus and children's from the way and
guess on the way. Yeah, working said blah blah, very
expensive proposition, right, yeah, of course if you will get
(45:35):
one big win deliveryus versus two hundred fifty packages, if
you delivered five thousand packages versus one day every hour, Yeah,
she has your money.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Yes, I see it. So how do you grow a
corporation like this? There's a like venture capital? Like, how
does it? I'm confused, like I don't know, I genuinely
don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
But they working in this life.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, no, of course, how do you scale a company
like yours?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Money?
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Investment investment?
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, but we, of course we are outside of the
venture capital.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, so how do you fund the company that's outside
of venture capital?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Very simple. There's a number of the ways. It's private
institution of financing England, the large financial company providing investment.
And of course it's family. It's what the beauty of the.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Did you say family?
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Public?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Public? Public? Because they spend all their money on the
more hilarious did you say they spend all the money
on the aeroship of course?
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, but yeah it's the Wall Street right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
The corporation is publicly traded not yet not yeah, okay,
the personal.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Visit our web page w w aerosct dot com. Were
it now, it's called the Security Change Commission. It's called
test the water. We basically it's no obligated. We're looking
at how many people willing to buy our stacks if
you become public? Okay, some kind of register, it's not obligated.
(47:17):
When people just express the interest.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Oh where do they go to do that?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
But to our web page. It's again w w irs
craft A E R O s craft dot com and
the one tap registered. Now it sounds when you got
all our story, what will happening? And you can register
as potential either going public.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Wow, I'm going to be I'm going to be on
that list.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, you're going to watch make sure you I have
to be on the list.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
You're the future, No, the future?
Speaker 2 (47:53):
What is now?
Speaker 1 (47:54):
You are now?
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Exactly? Yes? Yeah no, but this is the beauty in
eating when they grab the future.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
And put now, Yeah, the future is now with you,
The future is now.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
No, I am just one of them. You want to
including people nine by the way, yes, because all them
it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
And then just for you guys, is gonna You're gonna
allow us to come to to the hangar and check
it out. And then do you have an actual pilot
that sits in the aircraft?
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Oh so there is somebody up there there or is
there like a million people in the aircraft? Fire?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Again depends on the model. Yes, the Cargege pilots in
the airplane, because if you want to fly over to
the Sieges, yeah, of course you need to have pilots.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
And then when you this is random, this is like
an ignorant question. But if you ever have to fly somewhere, yeah,
do you ever just say.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yes, my here's the only one solo flight was kept
him in Chine in ninety five for ninety six because
of anyway, they was very poor. We built some airsive
couple of years ago, middle of the nightighties and the
(49:14):
pilot who was supposed to be coming to China and
the ship for some reason, she was finding a good
looking girl and he not arrived, and I got my people.
I never flyers before, and I tell touchiness, I'm the pilot.
(49:36):
I arrived in China and they're saying, there's your license.
I think they don't have license, but I'm the pilot
and they just showed to me on the one guy
who's thinking in the corner with white helmet with big
red star on the helmet. Think it's your co pile
And look on the I never knew before. And I
(49:57):
look on this guy and I was just want to
ask so many kids he has? And can I have
the phone number of his wife? Because probability of him
be alive after my flight? Who knows? And I try
to convince Chinese I am experienced, I know what I'm doing.
They always need to fly alone in the second, No
(50:18):
way it's gonna China and never alone. To the former
flying alone Chinese airspace, I tell them I'm okay, I'm
from such union. I'm really communist. After Tory minus discussion side,
after this probably three four hours discussion, this bigin I
(50:39):
receive approval and I am proud to fears and proba
or alone in Chinese airspace.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Oh my goodness. All right, I can't believe that story.
All right, thank you Egor for cooking for me and
spending time with me. I hope you had a good time, absolutely, and.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah you and your little bit, but.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
We're gonna be able to come out and check out
your digs okay, cool, and I want to go. Can
am I able to go inside the airship for real?
And then the is the outside delicate? I will see Okay,
I have so many questions. I did a lot of research,
so I'm very excited and I hope to I will
see packages being delivered to my home, bea drone, and
(51:32):
I will never forget this moment. It's every single ying. Yes, yes,
Thank you guys for tuning in, and be sure to
fo go to ww dot arrows arrowscraft dot com if
you do want to potentially get stuck or just keep
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up with the corporation and watch everything they're doing, or
if you're a business owner and you want to sign
up to get your cargo delivered to your customers.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Right or you just want to see cool stuff, or
you just.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
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