January 16, 2025 • 39 mins
From college football dreams to Roc Nation's roster, Kalan FrFr
joins host Coline Witt to cook up his legendary "Two For Real
Snack Spectacular" - a creative fusion of ramen noodles,
ground turkey, and crushed chips that powered his journey to
hip-hop success.
In this inspiring episode, Kalan transforms humble ingredients
into an unforgettable meal while sharing raw stories about:
• His rise from San Diego State athlete to breakthrough artist
• Growing up with his hardworking mother's influence
• Creating "Two For Real Day" to give back to his community
• Getting career-changing encouragement from Tyler, The
Creator
• The incredible story of signing with Jay-Z's Roc Nation
• That memorable moment of accidentally stepping on Jay-Z's
rug and leaving a dirty footprint
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@wittcoline @kalan.frfr
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have very
very special guests. He's out here making the West great again.
Kaitlin for real, for reals in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What's going on? How are you good? How you doing good?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm starving while you were on your way here. I
ate orioles. I ate chips.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
The orioles is the dessert.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I made it breakfast.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Okay, what are you gonna have me eating today?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
So gonna start off, Gonna get some ground turkey going,
and get some noodles going, whip all out of it
together for you and put that in the bag. Smuch
from hot Cheetos up and get that going. Some Doritos up.
Mix all that together, and he got you a little
lunch snack.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Did you say put it in a bag? Yeah, we
didn't have a bag.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
We're gonna put it. We don't got a bag.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Use a glo that's the touch the meat whatever. I'm
gonna stay. You know what you got to those I.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Could just use one hand.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Okay, okay, Eating while I broke Eating while broke up
in the building. What are you gonna name this dish?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Two for Real Snacks Spectacular, Two for.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Real Snacks Spectacular. Okay, I like, I really like that name.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It's a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
It's a good it's a good name. I love that
you made sure to add the kool aiate you I love.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I love grape kool Aid. That's the best kool Aid.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I wanted to get the powder and see how much
sugar you put in it. But then I was just
like I was under.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
The impression that that's what That's what I was.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
You're gonna yeah, I was liquid diabetes.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Liquid diabetes. Okay, So take me back to this, uh
Nacho ramen for real for real Spectacular Special. What did
you call it?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Two for Real Snack Spectacular.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Two for Real Snacks Spectacular? What was going on? This
sounds like something you was doing in elementary But take
me back.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yeah, so my mama used to be at work all day,
so I used to get home. I used to be hungry.
She used to be like, go in there and cook something,
and like I ain't really be wanting to wait on
like to unthrow the meat or like you know what
I'm saying, I'm not gonna make no mashed potatoes and
all that, Like I'm not doing that, so you feel me.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
We always have a seasoning the water.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, for the ramen. Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Are you? But you already put the.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Man.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
This is interesting, just so you guys, don't. I don't
even think he put the noodles.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Did you put the noodles in?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
He's over there, he used I gotta recap it for
the listeners. He took the ramen season garlic, put it
in the water. He put garlic salt, Tony's dash and Lawry's. Now,
if you're all familiar with ramen, which I hope you are,
I want to I literally want to take a spoon.
We don't even have utensils out here. Damn, what do
(03:11):
I want to try? How salty this water is going
to be. It's going I've never seen someone season on
top of ramen season.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's going to observe you just use the ramen. That
ain't enough?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Clearly, Okay, so you was doing this? Clear what age
were you doing this?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I probably started making this when I was like ten.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, okay, so ten? Is it a single mom home?
Do you have siblings?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
But I was I'm the youngest, so I was always
really by myself a lot I'm a lot younger than
my sisters and stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Okay, yeah, I just but they were in the home
with you.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah no, no, no, no, we all got different mamas.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Okay, okay, So you were like the only child.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Of my mom, my mom only child.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay, and dad wasn't.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I got step pops. That's like my real Okay. I
hate was wrong, but nah, that's it. That's about it.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay, all right, Okay, So what was your mom doing
for work?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
My mom did a lot of stuff. Man, My mom
had a couple of businesses. She was a social worker.
She just did it all for real, you know. She
she had a party planning business.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Moms really got to work.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Your mom was a social worker. I noticed when I
was reading as much as I could about you, you
have like an affinity for like special.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Needs y'all want. That's what I studied in college.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Does that have something to do with the fact that
your mom was in social worker?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, like definitely, Like I'm probably influenced by Like I
don't think nobody's influenced boy, like just one thing specifically,
you know, I feel like the universe talked to you,
Like it be like a chain of events.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So Yeah, with my mom.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
My mom being a social worker had a lot to
do with it because I've seen so much. She was
always gone, she was always dealing with other people, children
and stuff like that. So sometimes I used to be hating,
but you know, you know what I'm saying, when I
got older enough to really understand that, like she was
doing good work. You know what I'm saying, She's saving
people lives, like you start really noticing.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Other people's situations as you get older.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I just really commend her for her job and all
the stress and stuff that she had to go through,
and on top of that, still deal with me, you
know what I'm saying, and a handful that I was
and then deal with life like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So I commend her a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You do a give back event in LA. Can you
tell us more about it?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Uh? Yeah, Two for Real Days.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So we throw two for Real Day every year and
it's like a community give back event, charity event. So
we have performances and like games and little rides and
stuff for all the kids to come out and have fun.
We give back school supplies, we make sure they're ready
for school, clothes and stuff like that. We got a
lot of sponsors like Ethica, Puma's been one of the sponsors.
(05:50):
True Religion was a sponsor last year. A lot of
different food vendors and stuff come through and help us.
Costco always donate a lot, so we just take that,
take everything that we get from that and try to
give it out to the community. We throw it at
Compton College, so we'll probably start doing it every year
at Company College. It started off as just a block
(06:11):
party though in the neighborhood. We used to just throw
a block party in the neighborhood. And when you say we,
who was we to me and my homies and my
family and my friends. Started off with me and my friends,
and then as I became a bigger artist, we just
like it became more and more and more, like just
bigger every year, so we have to keep bringing people.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
What's interesting about you is you have this amazing artistry
music career. Thanks and I don't know if it gets
highlighted enough, but when you read your resume or your backstory,
you have almost an equal amount of this whole other
side of you that's like giving back or your degree,
like you graduated with what did you say your degree
(06:50):
was in? Like social science, social science, Like where's all
this this other inspiration coming from?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Probably my grandmother.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
My grandmother was really like a heavy influence on my life,
Like that was my dog, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So just before she passed away.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You're gonna have to stop tapping that. There's gonna be
listeners there. They're gonna be like, stop tapping. Use another, uh,
use another tool. Maybe maybe that flat one. I was
gonna say the other food flat one, but maybe that one.
I'm getting all up in his stuff. Sorry, but like that,
there's like something on there.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I wasn't gonna put it, not.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
That on there? Yeah? What's that on that?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
All? Right?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
If you ain't never had a struggle meal with no dirt, like,
stop playing, stop stop acting like you ain't never had
a struggle meal with no dirt in here.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You ain't never sneeze on food. You ain't never dropped
the ice cube picked back up through it. I have,
I've done that, but I still do.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But I don't know if I've ever sneezed in food.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Though I didn't drop the homie full taco shells on
the ground, still made them.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
For him, I don't. I don't know if I'll ever
let you cook for me off camera. Off cameras on
camera can see if you mess it up.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
You just gotta pay attention. You never know, I might sprinkling.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
What's crazy is you put all that seasoning in the water,
but I have not seen any seasoning on the meat
that has attention.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Oh you put seasoning on it.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh, I was so busy focused on listening. Okay, Okay,
let's go back to the story. Okay, So the inspiration
for all this other complete polar opposite of who who
it seems like you represent in your music.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I don't really think it's like a opposite, like I'm
still the same person.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It's just like that's kind of that's pretty.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Much like the basis of why I started making music
is that you can be whoever you want to be.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Is still be a.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Rapper, Like you don't gotta be a thug, you don't
gotta be like, you don't gotta be nothing like stereotypical.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You could be whoever you want to be and still
make it.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
You know what I'm saying, Chief success, people still think
you cool, Like cool is like standard of yourself, you
know what I mean? That's what the for real for
real means it's like it's like doubling down on being yourself,
being real.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, that's where that comes from.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Okay, So take me back. You're a kid growing up
at home, what's your next injection towards artistry? Like growing up, like,
where do you start figuring out what you want to do?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I played sports, so I was really playing sports and
like just music and sports kind of I go hand
in hand. So when I was a kid, I know
I wanted to make music too, but I didn't know
I want to be a rapper. I always thought I
wanted to be like a producer or something. So I
started off kind of just like making beasts, but I
was like horrible. So I was like, let me just
try something else. And I started rapping a little bit,
and then me and my homies around my neighborhood we
(09:43):
all started rapping too, like everybody on my street.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
So it was just making music together. Were just putting
it together.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
And as I got older, when I got done playing football,
I was like, I want to do something.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I'm like, I'm gonna take like a year and focus
on rap. And after I focused on rap, it just
started to take off.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And how did your mom feel about this whole idea
of you getting into rap.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
She was like, I don't really care because I graduated
from college.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
So she was like, man, whatever you're gonna do, just
do it, just do it out one hundred percent. So
she she supported it. I remember early on, like when
I was young, she was scared for me. But I
could tell she was scared for me rather than you
know what I'm saying, didn't want me to chase my
dreams because it just was like, you know what, parents,
it's a different generation, generational gap, so the what you
(10:29):
can be was more limited back then, Like you know
what I'm saying, Like she probably got so many friends
and people that wanted to be rappers and stuff like that,
and went down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
You like, you don't think your little son gonna make
it or your baby gonna make it. When they when
they're like, oh I want to be a rapper, I
want to do this, you just think like damn, Like
a lot of people get discouraged, like day you don't
want to work hard and stuff like that. Like I
had other family members telling me like I don't need
to focus on rap, like I need to get a
job and stuff like that, and it's.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Like, how did that make you feel? When they would
say that.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I've never really been a person to have hurt feelings.
I'm like, you really get one chance with me? Like
if you if you ain't saying what I'm liking in
the first like five minutes, I'm You're toned out for life.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I'll never listen to you again.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You hear that, y'all. That means when you run up
on Caitlin, you make sure you get your words correct. Okay,
you got that? What two elevator pitch before yours?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I'm an Aries, man, I hate you fast.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I love Aries people, Aquarius and Arias. I think just
get along really great.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
They're pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
They pretty cool. When's your birthday?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Okay? Okay, I hang out with a lot of Aries.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Aries.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
All right, so that's crazy. I hang out with a
lot of Areas and Queries.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I'm telling you, Aquaries. I promise you. I have a
lot of Aries people that I deal with. And when
I say there's something magical about aquaries and aries hanging out,
I don't know about dating, but I will say, like
hanging out, there's something cool about it. I don't know why.
I don't know a lot about signs, but I do
know like aquaries and aris. Okay, all right, so take
(11:59):
me back to when you start to seeing glimmers of
like your music is working in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Direction a little after college, maybe like twenty like eighteen,
like sounds start going up crazy on SoundCloud.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
My my project.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I put a project out in like that July, and
I think by like maybe like September October, I was
like a full fledged artist, Like I really didn't have
no choice. I was doing shows every weekend. I was
getting booked. I was living in Atlanta, and like people
was playing my music back out here, and I was
like blowing up out here.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I had no clue. I got back home.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
My homies just like yeah, like hey this dude want
a bookie for a show like this?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Do want a bookie for a show. I'm like, hell no,
I need a manager or something.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, what we doing?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
So my homie Marlin, Me and my homie Marlin, we
was just thugging it out like as much.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
As we could do.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Pop were like just in your DM's booking you.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, DM and.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Me walking up on me in person like it was
even crazy, And I went on this like little I
went on tour with OJIEZ. When I came back from that,
my whole life was just like changing like fast, and
like before you knew it, I was on my own tour.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
And then what was your mom saying when all this
is going on.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I'm kind of like quiet.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
So like with my mom, we talk about everything, but
I'm the type of person like I don't really talk
about what I got going on until I'm finished because
I don't want to jinx myself, you know what I mean.
So nah, just telling my mom, she like, I'm like yeah, man,
Like I think one day I came to the house
probably in like twenty like eighteen or twenty seventeen, and
(13:41):
I was like, hey, I'm finna move out. She was
like what. I was like, yeah, like I'm out. I'll
see you later. Like I got apartment, she was like where.
I'm like like by lax. She was like in Marina
del Ray. I'm like yeah, low key like yeah. She
was like yeah, And I gave her some h your
mom with the news yeah, because it's like I was
(14:02):
just like I came because I was living in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I had already left like when I got out of college.
I was like, I'm about to go to dow.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Atlanta went you went to school, but where did you
go to college?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
At San Diego State?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Okay? And then you just moved to Atlanta like.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
The day after I came out of college.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Did and you surprised her with that move too.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
When I came home, I was like, she was like, well,
so what you gonna do. I'm like, I ain't gonna lie.
I'm like, if you could just watch my dog for me,
I'll be back, like in like six months, I'm gonna
come back.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
She was like what.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I was like, yeah, just give me like six months
I'll be back or something like that, Like I'm gonna
just go figure it out.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I'm gonna go try it out here for And why
did you choose Atlanta? By the way, I think those
noodles are going to be like, baby, you don't want
to you you don't want to turn it off?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
You see that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It's okay, yeah, okay. This is what happens when you
watch a man cook is like nerve wrecking, Like please
don't burn down the house.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It's okay, It's okay, we do.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
This, okay, see he said, He said, I took my
advice for me, or was I was? I leading you
in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
You gotta learn when to listen, you know what I'm saying.
As a man, you gotta learn how to listen.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I was like, we eat baby for when you done
all right? All right? So you moved to Atlanta. What's
the inspiration to move from LA to Atlanta?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's just where music was like the mecca at that time,
Like everything was coming up out of Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I figured, like, you know what I'm saying, let me
see what I can go.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Down there and learn. I can go down there network
maybe you know something to come up of it. So
I was just chilling down there my home meet. I
was my roommate in college in San Diego. He had
moved back. He was from there, so I just wanted
to go stay with Bro. Was staying out there just
making music. Every day, working on music. I was getting around.
I ended up making someone probably like my best music.
Think out there is why I like found like my confidence.
(15:40):
Like in Atlanta, you could be whatever you want if
you like a garbage man, like a Nick Gonna tell
you I'm the best garbage man ever. Like if you
like a cameraman, dude, gonna be the best camera man,
even if they not.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Like you know what I'm saying, But.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Like the sense of pride that you have about yourself
that I found out there, Like just seeing so many.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Like people that looked like me that were successful.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I had never really seen a lot of successful people
like me in all different lanes and attributes. So I
think it kind of just motivated me a lot, you
know what I'm saying, being out.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
There in that way.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
So then what made you decide to come back home?
I had to because of the six month you told
your my home.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Nah, I just started blowing up. I started getting bigger,
like my music and stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Making the music out there, we hearing it.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You're just uploading, putting it on Yeah, I'm just putting
it on SoundCloud, letting it go, just sending it to people.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I send my music to like five hundred people a day. Yeah.
I used to send my music out every day all
day to a bunch of people.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And just like in the in the in like doing that,
I just happened to start blowing up, blowing up.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
So you come back out here, You're getting booked for
shows where do you end up being signed because now
you're moving without management.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Right, Yeah, No, I had.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
I got with my brother Ray, So now I'm signing
to like first Class Entertainment, Okay. And after that that's
when we A couple of years later, after that, we
just was going up putting it together.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I was moving around doing.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I probably didn't have to drop a song for like,
I didn't have to drop no new music for like
three four years.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
So it was just going up off of that it
for like three years.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And that's good because you got to really work the record. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I got to work all my projects, so like I
had dropped too for real, and then it just was
going crazy. So once that happened, we got out of that,
we went over to UH. We had some meetings, We
had a lot of meetings. We had meetings with everybody,
whole bunch of labels, and it just.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Felt like the best fit was to be like a
rock nation.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Can you know what I'm saying, the best fit? Yeah, yeah,
it sounds like good friend. Tell us how it happened.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I was performing at UH the BT Experience.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You familiar with that.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
So there was a show at the BT Experience that
UH DJ head had put on and at the p
at the time, Sherry was the president of Sherry Bryant
was the president in the Rock Nation.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
And I had been knowing one of her A and
R's Earl, like that's my homie. I had been knowing
him for a long time.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
So I used to sit and wrote my music like consistently, consistently,
and just one day, uh, Scherry, see me perform. And
then before you knew it, I was just on the
plane going to New York. Like he was like, hey man,
let me.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Uh let me he let me take you to the
to lunch.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And I'm like, all right, so I'll pull up on
him well eating lunch, and I'm like, you feel me
like I pay for like I pay for it like you.
He was like, no, I gotta pay for it. It's
on the label, Like this was like a business meeting.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I'm like what you mean, Like he like, well, ship,
they want to fly you out there and meet with
like your people so we can like sign you.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
We want to sign you.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
And I'm like, man, shut up, earl, you lying like.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Like you playing like today ain't no time to play.
Stop playing. But I just gave him. I gave him
rate number, and I'll just let them figure it out
in there.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
From there, I think like maybe like two weeks later,
we have Fluid in New York and we was at
the office.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So was that your first time in New York?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yep, that was my very first time. That was my
second time going to New York. Actually my second time
going to New York.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I was gonna say, what do you think about pizza?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Y'all? Got a good pizza? Y'all got a good pizza y'all?
Impan out of Mama.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And panata is Ain't nobody going to New York to eat.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I can't leave it. I'm gonna bring the imp and
out of Mama back.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Really.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, take it on the plane with me.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I had that.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You never had I out of Mama. You from New York. Yeah,
word to my mother. You gotta figure that out.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Okay, I'm gonna figure it out.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I go.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I go there at least two to three times a year.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Me too, I get about that much.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah. I just came back from there.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah. So did you ever get to meet Hoover or
anything like that?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah? I met him.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I met Hove in La before I met him in
New York. I met him in LA at the LA office.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So if you don't know anything about me, which you
kind of already know, is I'm a huge jay Z fan.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
So you got a legendary picture I got.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I had my mom paint that custody like that.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I gave her just so you know, the picture doesn't
even do it justice. I gave my mom like a
really tiny picture, very tiny, very blurry picture. And I
was like twenty four, and I was like, Mom, I
will pay you in payments if you make this massive
painting for me. She did it for me.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
That's dope. You got a dope.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I don't want to tell you how much she charged me,
because she charged you. She very little. Now if you
ask her, she'll be like, go sell my painting the
jay Z. I'll make you another one, and like, no,
the only one in the world.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You should get it.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Only I would never he would love that though.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
He's so he's so deep into like fine arts, like yeah,
but everywhere it is like a museum.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
He would own the only one. And then I'd have
to beg my mom to paint another one. Yes, and
my mom my Mom's trying to charge a lot more
for them. Paintings.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Now, your mom like you gotta just for next, Like my.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Mom be like ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I'll tell you like over life, we got a whole life.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
She's gonna fall for that. She ain't gonna fall for that.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
My mom's gonna stop following for it. She watched this,
it's gonna be over all right.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So you gotta share one jay Z store just because
I'm a fan freak.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
So remember when that whole thing was going around, Like
when they was like, hey, do would you.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Rather take the dinner?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Or would you rather get the money? We was talking
about that one day and I was like, hey, I
got the dinner. Animal. He was like, that's a bar.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You said that to him?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah? What? He cool?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It was awesome, you know what. It's so funny because
everyone on this show who shares stories about Jay, he
sounds hell of cool. Like Neo said that he would
call him the nigga that what did he say? He
was like the nigga that gave the.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Song to Mario or some shit, the nigga that gave
us song to Mario.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
He gave the hit record to Mario. Yeah, he's mad
about that for a while. Yeah, yo, because Neil was
signed to him and he gave that song to Mario's.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Breakout record Okay just a Friend.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And then Sipho Sounds had a good story about how
he worked in jay Z's office and he acted he
was like what up, Jay, and Jay stopped and was
like that's how you greet me, like I'm jay Z
or something. So everyone always has a really cool story.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Crazy. I ain't never seen nothing see no jay Z
like that.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, he was very funny. He just seems like he's
a very fun guy.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, No, he cool. He cool is here?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, you know that day is gonna come. I'm gonna
call you up and send you an email like.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yo, my moment, kne you sold that picture And.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I'm gonna say I had I got the money and
the dinner. That's what I'm gonna say to him. Steal
that same bar, got.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
The money in the dinner. I got the money and
get that.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
That's awesome, bro. Yeah, okay, so you got the money
in the dinner.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
I remember one day I stepped on his carpet too,
and I had to tell him like, hey, I thought
you was gonna shelf me.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I've been out here.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Stressed the whole time. He got like this white this
white all pack of rug. It looked like remember on, uh,
what's that ship called with with Denzel Is that movie
called American Gangster.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
He was like, you dab that ship, blot that ship whatever?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
We stepped on it?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, like dirty as shoes. Yeah, like it was like
it was. I was trying not to step on it.
I was like, I didn't make it. And I was looking.
I looked his shoes was off.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I was like, fuck, so did you draw attention to it?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Like when I went outside, I just went back outside
on the balcony and I was like smoking.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I was just sitting there chill, and he came outside
and I was like, my bathroot stepping on your rug.
He was like, man, about that ship man, He's like what.
I'm like, yeah, I'm I'm like I thought I was
gonna get shelfed. I thought it was over with.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I'm like, damn't already started texting my management like y'all
fucked up?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Man, I stepped on that nigga rub.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
So yeah, that's cool. So not only have you had
the dinner and the money, but you've been inside his crib.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
No, that wasn't his house that was like his office.
It was just a nice rug.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, okay, nice nice place. Okay, Well hopefully your little
footprints still there. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, legendary footprint.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
You know. All right, so you're you get the deal.
What are you saying? Are you at least calling Mama yet?
Because I feel like Mama's getting like not as much
ranging love from you?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah? No.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Like, like I said, I'm the type of person like
I don't really do nothing to this.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
So I waited till like everything was good to tell
Mom was like, hey, look I did it. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So Kaitlyn is just finished making our dish. It looks delicious.
Apparently it's gonna be nachos. I want to try it.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Clean went not a team, don't nartisize me.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Don't what you know what? I feel like it's missing something.
It's missing a sauce.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Like cheese, like a Kessel. No, but what like a
Kessel cheese. You gotta have been fired.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
It's really good.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
I would have just went to the guns station and
got some little Kesso cheese real quick.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It's like, I don't know. I would have done cool
ranch chips. I would have done nacho.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
He's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
The cool ranch with this though. You know what, this
is good. This is what I'll say for everyone listening.
This is actually very impressively good. I love the meat,
I love the seasoning. The seasoning was really good. I
like this just but you need cheese. It was really good.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Sometimes, like when I was young, it might be like
one two slices of cheese left.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I wasn't paying attention. Did you drop the noodles in
with the meat and then stir it? This ship is good.
It's like a hood classic.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You gotta get through it.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
This is good. You wish you would have had cheese.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
So, ladies, when you when you want to go to Carbone,
not going to Carbone.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Is hilarious, spoken like a true Now why you keep
turn that?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Don't know?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I watched you answer a date question and I was like.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
What was it? What kind of question was it? Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Oh, something on your little on your timeline. This girl said,
was a deal of a perfect date or something?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Honest to this dude's a narcissists.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That don't make me a narcissist.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
You've been claiming that the whole time, and then when
I say it, it doesn't sound good.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
That doesn't that doesn't like justify narcissism.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Though, okay, as I've spoken like a true nigga.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Though like a true nigga, I take that. It was
answer okay.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
So I will say this. You and I are like
polar opposites in the sense that, like if I even
sat might think something great is gonna happen, I literally
call like ten people, and then when it doesn't happen,
I totally warn people up from I'm gonna be really
sad and that's how I live my life. And then
you're the opposite. A deal can be signed, money could
be transferred to your bank account, and you're gonna hold
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it in the whole time. So how did you tell
your mom about the I hate to go back to
your mom, but I always feel like moms are like that.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I told her like a Musico met with regnation. No, actually,
I think I called her a while I was in
New York. She called me like what you doing. I'm like, oh,
I'm in New York.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
She like, how do you not stress this woman out?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
She got my location and it's like, if you're looking
for me, you know exactly how to find me.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh, you share it with me? Okay, you know what, Jesus,
she's probably got to check that every day.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
My sister usually check it.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
Your sister what My big sister usually check it every day,
Like she wake up in the marning. I think that's
like one of the first things to do because if
I'm somewhere that's unfamiliar, She'll start calling me at like
six o'clock in the morning, where are you at.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
That's how I am with my little brother when I
go to New York. He hates it. I know he does,
but it'll be like five in the morning'll be like,
where are you at. I'll be blowing up his phone.
You don't answer, I'll text him. But the last time
I did this, I said, yo, I texted like where
you at? He was like, I'm good. I said, prove
you're my little brother. Because he didn't call back. He's
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text him like, how do I know he didn't get murdered?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And you know, somebody, my little brother is crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I was like, tell me what you used to call
me when you was a little kid like, and he
was like, you're fucking losing it. But I'm like, yo,
when you know you got to make sure you know.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Your people safe instincts.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, but I know he hates that shit. But anyways,
go on. So you break the news to your mom
you're going to this meeting with Rock Nation. She obviously
knows that you're about to get signed. What does she say?
Speaker 4 (28:29):
She was like, my fingers crossed for you. Just let
me know because she I've always been like this my
whole life. Like I'll be getting like a word at
school or something.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
I won't say nothing until like the day before, like yeah,
like like if I got to show or something like that,
I'd be like, oh, yeah, I'm just about to go
do a show real quick.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I'll just be I feel like my mom tells me,
I downplay everything.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, but I like that. I actually like that. I
like that. Like I said, I'm the opposite. I could
I could win a dollar and you don't know about
it or even change his hands and be.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Like, oh what a dollar. Yeah, I'm real quiet. I
don't really like mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I'll just be But you be excited on the inside.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Yeah, e static, like a little like you know when
you shake up a soda. Yeah that's me on the inside.
I'd be a sthetic, but on the outside, I'll just
be like chilling and then it's just like.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I said, it's high standards for myself.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
So it's like, all right, that's cool, but that's not
really where you want to go, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I don't never want to get too excited. I see
a lot of people get excited about their accomplishments and
stuff like that and then get lost in the sauce
and then like, yo, accomplishments be so lower level, you
know what I'm saying, And I don't want to It's
like it all plays a different role. You know, you
can't downsize anybody's accomplishments.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
But at the same time, like.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
If you're chasing a bigger dream, then you know what
I'm saying, then you can't be satisfied with the bare.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Minimums, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
So I noticed with a lot of successful people on
this show, the ceiling is constantly being moved. You'd be
surprised how many guests, Rappers included, they have admitted to
crying on the show. And like, these real intense situations,
you're very successful, but the glass ceiling just continues to move.
Is that how it is with you?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, every day.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Like, it's no such thing as being finished, you know
what I mean. It's not no like you should never
there's never enough work done, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
There's always more work to do every day.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
But that's I'm an athlete though, whole a lot of
that comes from me being hot.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
And when you say athlete, football okay, yeah, you look
football built. Guys, I thought he was gonna be five
to seven, crazy, six to one. I was like, oh,
I was completely off.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
It's because I'll be singing. People be thinking I'm to
be short.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah. Plus a lot of people on the end is
especially like especially if you're talking singing, they're usually shorter,
with the exception of like three the.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Girls told me she didn't believe that I was with
like some friends and they had like some girls people
like some people with them, and I guess she never
seen what I look like. She had only heard my music.
My friends was like, yeah, he a rapper, Like yeah,
all you know what I'm saying. It was just calm collective.
We was hanging out and they're like, yeah, that's his
music that he was playing. She was like, that's not him.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
That dude's like light skin or something, and She's like, sure,
he's too big to be here.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I'm like, I can see that because you look like
football player built.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, I'm like him.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I'm like, that's what I sound like. I sound like
a like a short, light skinned guy, like you know
what I'm saying. She was like on the load, like
I can't really believe that's you. She's like sing right now.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I'm like, nah, wow, no, sorry, you should have had
one of your little your friends, like pretend to be.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
What we doing on front of wordship.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I believe it. I believe it. I believe it. So
what is one experience that you could say in the
industry that really made you go whoa.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Mm hmm, like whoa like a bad war or like
a good.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Like a good whoa. Now I'm curious about a bad woe,
but a good who First.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I think just people like bigger artists knowing, like knowing
who I am. I think one one dope experience was
at the pop out.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
At the pop out with.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Kendrick, I was gonna say, I would think you would
mention that, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
No, that was dope.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Backstage, I seem tireder creator, and I'm like a low
key tired of the creator.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Fan like, I'm not like, you know, like.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
He got his fans, Like I like his music as
much as his fans, but I'm not like all into
his aesthetic. You know what I'm saying. I got my
own Inestad, I got my own style, but I fuck
with his music. He makes great music. I've seen him backstage.
He was like, what's the deal? It's like fun with
your ship.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I was like, I was playing cool. I was like,
da I got outside. I'm like called it home. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I only got like two three homies that I like,
really like act like be excited about.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Say Naked said they could see me be excited.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I like, So are those the homies you call when
like the rock nation deals? Do you do those those?
Because I like seeing that side of you where you
get like that.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
You know what I'm saying. I lost my homie.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Just get me crying all kinds like that, so like
happy tears and everything.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
So tell me about this woe bad experience. Tell me
one good one that you don't have to drop names,
but you can always hint. Dude, don't don't.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
It's just so much going on.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
It's just like I don't know where to start, because like,
I don't really care, that'd be my biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I love how you're tearing these up his breakfast. You know,
the chip bites, the ones with the little freedom chip
things in it. What are these crunch chips or whatever?
That's where it hit because it has a.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Little crustpicttle tame.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
All right, Come on, name a name because a time.
Don't name a name, but name a name.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
No, what's a wold situation or industry situation. I don't
really think I had too many bad woes, just one.
I don't really have no bad ones.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Alright, Well you were the one that baited me into
it technique.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
That's what I was gonna tell you, though, if you
if you thought it was as a female, you always
have one a bad woe in the industry. Yeah, yeah,
Like I don't really take I don't take this stuff serious.
Like you got different types.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Of people, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
You got people that want to be in the industry.
You got people that have no choice but to be
in the industry. And then you got people that don't
really care much for what's going on. Like you could
tell like who wanna be in the industry cause it's
like whoa like you.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
They'll do anything. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
They do anything, they do everything, they'll it just doesn't
make sense, like you could tell it's not a part
of their character. Then you got people that's this is
really their character. They've been acting like this they whole life.
They was just built for this shit, Like you know
what I'm saying. They just industry people. And then like
I feel like I'm more the type of person. It's
like I'll just be watching this shit like I'd be
like that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I would never do that.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Hell no, Like you know what I'm saying, Like I
don't really be on no industry shit, I would think.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
So, do you feel like your favorite part of your
job is making the music or performing?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Performing?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
So I feel like it fits in both, Like making
the music be such an experience for me because it's
like that's like therapeutic cause I get to just talk
about awe, like a lot of people don't get to
talk about their feelings and express their feelings. Like a
lot of people like just naturally have to keep it
suppressed because they don't have an outlet to be able
to speak or anybody that'll listen to him. I have
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millions of people that listen to me, you know what
I mean. So it's like that's like a blessing. So
just being able to make that music and see like
where it coincigns with people and like who relates to
people walking up to me? Like just even this weekend
being a complex called, so many people walked up.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
To me, like I do, walk up to me like, bro,
you got me do part times and that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
And I'm not like ride Wave or nothing.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
So it's like, you know what I'm saying, I don't
make the same type of music he make, but just
knowing that my art can get somebody through, they can
can help somebody the same thing is doing for me,
it is doing for somebody else. So h yeah, that's
like dope. And then performing it. The best part about
performing it is seeing that they know it.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, like seeing them sing your lyrics kay.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Word for word. That's like the most warming experience. I'll
get caught looking at people singing oh for real.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Yeah, Like I didn't like sometimes I gotta wear glasses
because like I'll be too into it, Like I'm like, yeah,
like I would like I'm a concert goer like I
love music, like I seen music like Hello out all
day in the house and.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Stuff like that. So it's like I'll be when I'm
locked in with you. I'm locked in with you, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
So your last ep was make the West grade again,
make the.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
West grade again. It made the worst grade again.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
So, uh, you are one of the top LA artists
out right. Now, what are your like big plans? What
can people expect from you? And what else would you
like to accomplish too.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I'm gonna going to extraordinary run like this next run
that I'm about to go on, me dropping new music
and just getting into my artistry and typing into my
talents more.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I think I'm a little bit more comfortable.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Like I'm the type of person that i'd be scared
to move forward cause, uh, I'm scared to fail.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Really, Yeah, you don't even seem like that.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, No, I'll be like really like I'm really planning, planning, planning,
planning and planning, Like I'm really be scared to be
judged little key sometimes.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
So like I'll just like suppress how hard I'm going,
Like i won't do certain things. I'll sit back and
wait to do things until things get bigger. I feel
like right now I'm in like such a comfortable space
where like I feel like I've grown out of that,
like I don't really have any fears anymore.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
As an artist.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Is just like fucking I'm gonna go hard and if
they you know, they gonna like it or they not.
And me just getting back comfortable. I think it all
started with me, Like I started doing these freestyles every Friday.
That's something that I would just be doing and I
just never posted it.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
You know. Now now I'm posting them. I'm just taking
my career like a lot more serious, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I like that for you, and I could tell you
whatever you do you put even by the way you
cook this Broke dish. Thank you, it's really phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Broke.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Very impressed with everything, Very impressed. Thank you for coming
on the show, Thanks for having Where can everybody keep
up with you and everything you have going on?
Speaker 6 (38:23):
And what projects can we expect coming out.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Following me everywhere at K A L A N dot
f R f R killing for real, for real on everything.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
No heart feelings on the way.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
No heart feelings on the way, No heart feelings on
the way.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
Thanks guys, peace out.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
For more eating while from iHeartRadio and The Black Effect,
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Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have very
very special guests. He's out here making the West great again.
Kaitlin for real, for reals in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What's going on? How are you good? How you doing good?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm starving while you were on your way here. I
ate orioles. I ate chips.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
The orioles is the dessert.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I made it breakfast.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Okay, what are you gonna have me eating today?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
So gonna start off, Gonna get some ground turkey going,
and get some noodles going, whip all out of it
together for you and put that in the bag. Smuch
from hot Cheetos up and get that going. Some Doritos up.
Mix all that together, and he got you a little
lunch snack.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Did you say put it in a bag? Yeah, we
didn't have a bag.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
We're gonna put it. We don't got a bag.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Use a glo that's the touch the meat whatever. I'm
gonna stay. You know what you got to those I.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Could just use one hand.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Okay, okay, Eating while I broke Eating while broke up
in the building. What are you gonna name this dish?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Two for Real Snacks Spectacular, Two for.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Real Snacks Spectacular. Okay, I like, I really like that name.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It's a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
It's a good it's a good name. I love that
you made sure to add the kool aiate you I love.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I love grape kool Aid. That's the best kool Aid.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I wanted to get the powder and see how much
sugar you put in it. But then I was just
like I was under.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
The impression that that's what That's what I was.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
You're gonna yeah, I was liquid diabetes.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Liquid diabetes. Okay, So take me back to this, uh
Nacho ramen for real for real Spectacular Special. What did
you call it?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Two for Real Snack Spectacular.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Two for Real Snacks Spectacular? What was going on? This
sounds like something you was doing in elementary But take
me back.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yeah, so my mama used to be at work all day,
so I used to get home. I used to be hungry.
She used to be like, go in there and cook something,
and like I ain't really be wanting to wait on
like to unthrow the meat or like you know what
I'm saying, I'm not gonna make no mashed potatoes and
all that, Like I'm not doing that, so you feel me.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
We always have a seasoning the water.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, for the ramen. Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Are you? But you already put the.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Man.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
This is interesting, just so you guys, don't. I don't
even think he put the noodles.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Did you put the noodles in?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
He's over there, he used I gotta recap it for
the listeners. He took the ramen season garlic, put it
in the water. He put garlic salt, Tony's dash and Lawry's. Now,
if you're all familiar with ramen, which I hope you are,
I want to I literally want to take a spoon.
We don't even have utensils out here. Damn, what do
(03:11):
I want to try? How salty this water is going
to be. It's going I've never seen someone season on
top of ramen season.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's going to observe you just use the ramen. That
ain't enough?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Clearly, Okay, so you was doing this? Clear what age
were you doing this?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I probably started making this when I was like ten.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, okay, so ten? Is it a single mom home?
Do you have siblings?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
But I was I'm the youngest, so I was always
really by myself a lot I'm a lot younger than
my sisters and stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Okay, yeah, I just but they were in the home
with you.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah no, no, no, no, we all got different mamas.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Okay, okay, So you were like the only child.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Of my mom, my mom only child.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay, and dad wasn't.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I got step pops. That's like my real Okay. I
hate was wrong, but nah, that's it. That's about it.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay, all right, Okay, So what was your mom doing
for work?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
My mom did a lot of stuff. Man, My mom
had a couple of businesses. She was a social worker.
She just did it all for real, you know. She
she had a party planning business.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Moms really got to work.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Your mom was a social worker. I noticed when I
was reading as much as I could about you, you
have like an affinity for like special.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Needs y'all want. That's what I studied in college.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Does that have something to do with the fact that
your mom was in social worker?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, like definitely, Like I'm probably influenced by Like I
don't think nobody's influenced boy, like just one thing specifically,
you know, I feel like the universe talked to you,
Like it be like a chain of events.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So Yeah, with my mom.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
My mom being a social worker had a lot to
do with it because I've seen so much. She was
always gone, she was always dealing with other people, children
and stuff like that. So sometimes I used to be hating,
but you know, you know what I'm saying, when I
got older enough to really understand that, like she was
doing good work. You know what I'm saying, She's saving
people lives, like you start really noticing.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Other people's situations as you get older.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I just really commend her for her job and all
the stress and stuff that she had to go through,
and on top of that, still deal with me, you
know what I'm saying, and a handful that I was
and then deal with life like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So I commend her a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You do a give back event in LA. Can you
tell us more about it?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Uh? Yeah, Two for Real Days.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So we throw two for Real Day every year and
it's like a community give back event, charity event. So
we have performances and like games and little rides and
stuff for all the kids to come out and have fun.
We give back school supplies, we make sure they're ready
for school, clothes and stuff like that. We got a
lot of sponsors like Ethica, Puma's been one of the sponsors.
(05:50):
True Religion was a sponsor last year. A lot of
different food vendors and stuff come through and help us.
Costco always donate a lot, so we just take that,
take everything that we get from that and try to
give it out to the community. We throw it at
Compton College, so we'll probably start doing it every year
at Company College. It started off as just a block
(06:11):
party though in the neighborhood. We used to just throw
a block party in the neighborhood. And when you say we,
who was we to me and my homies and my
family and my friends. Started off with me and my friends,
and then as I became a bigger artist, we just
like it became more and more and more, like just
bigger every year, so we have to keep bringing people.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
What's interesting about you is you have this amazing artistry
music career. Thanks and I don't know if it gets
highlighted enough, but when you read your resume or your backstory,
you have almost an equal amount of this whole other
side of you that's like giving back or your degree,
like you graduated with what did you say your degree
(06:50):
was in? Like social science, social science, Like where's all
this this other inspiration coming from?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Probably my grandmother.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
My grandmother was really like a heavy influence on my life,
Like that was my dog, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
So just before she passed away.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You're gonna have to stop tapping that. There's gonna be
listeners there. They're gonna be like, stop tapping. Use another, uh,
use another tool. Maybe maybe that flat one. I was
gonna say the other food flat one, but maybe that one.
I'm getting all up in his stuff. Sorry, but like that,
there's like something on there.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I wasn't gonna put it, not.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
That on there? Yeah? What's that on that?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
All? Right?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
If you ain't never had a struggle meal with no dirt, like,
stop playing, stop stop acting like you ain't never had
a struggle meal with no dirt in here.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You ain't never sneeze on food. You ain't never dropped
the ice cube picked back up through it. I have,
I've done that, but I still do.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But I don't know if I've ever sneezed in food.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Though I didn't drop the homie full taco shells on
the ground, still made them.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
For him, I don't. I don't know if I'll ever
let you cook for me off camera. Off cameras on
camera can see if you mess it up.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
You just gotta pay attention. You never know, I might sprinkling.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
What's crazy is you put all that seasoning in the water,
but I have not seen any seasoning on the meat
that has attention.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Oh you put seasoning on it.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh, I was so busy focused on listening. Okay, Okay,
let's go back to the story. Okay, So the inspiration
for all this other complete polar opposite of who who
it seems like you represent in your music.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I don't really think it's like a opposite, like I'm
still the same person.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It's just like that's kind of that's pretty.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Much like the basis of why I started making music
is that you can be whoever you want to be.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Is still be a.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Rapper, Like you don't gotta be a thug, you don't
gotta be like, you don't gotta be nothing like stereotypical.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You could be whoever you want to be and still
make it.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
You know what I'm saying, Chief success, people still think
you cool, Like cool is like standard of yourself, you
know what I mean? That's what the for real for
real means it's like it's like doubling down on being yourself,
being real.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, that's where that comes from.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Okay, So take me back. You're a kid growing up
at home, what's your next injection towards artistry? Like growing up, like,
where do you start figuring out what you want to do?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I played sports, so I was really playing sports and
like just music and sports kind of I go hand
in hand. So when I was a kid, I know
I wanted to make music too, but I didn't know
I want to be a rapper. I always thought I
wanted to be like a producer or something. So I
started off kind of just like making beasts, but I
was like horrible. So I was like, let me just
try something else. And I started rapping a little bit,
and then me and my homies around my neighborhood we
(09:43):
all started rapping too, like everybody on my street.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
So it was just making music together. Were just putting
it together.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
And as I got older, when I got done playing football,
I was like, I want to do something.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I'm like, I'm gonna take like a year and focus
on rap. And after I focused on rap, it just
started to take off.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And how did your mom feel about this whole idea
of you getting into rap.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
She was like, I don't really care because I graduated
from college.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
So she was like, man, whatever you're gonna do, just
do it, just do it out one hundred percent. So
she she supported it. I remember early on, like when
I was young, she was scared for me. But I
could tell she was scared for me rather than you
know what I'm saying, didn't want me to chase my
dreams because it just was like, you know what, parents,
it's a different generation, generational gap, so the what you
(10:29):
can be was more limited back then, Like you know
what I'm saying, Like she probably got so many friends
and people that wanted to be rappers and stuff like that,
and went down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
You like, you don't think your little son gonna make
it or your baby gonna make it. When they when
they're like, oh I want to be a rapper, I
want to do this, you just think like damn, Like
a lot of people get discouraged, like day you don't
want to work hard and stuff like that. Like I
had other family members telling me like I don't need
to focus on rap, like I need to get a
job and stuff like that, and it's.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Like, how did that make you feel? When they would
say that.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I've never really been a person to have hurt feelings.
I'm like, you really get one chance with me? Like
if you if you ain't saying what I'm liking in
the first like five minutes, I'm You're toned out for life.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I'll never listen to you again.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You hear that, y'all. That means when you run up
on Caitlin, you make sure you get your words correct. Okay,
you got that? What two elevator pitch before yours?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I'm an Aries, man, I hate you fast.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I love Aries people, Aquarius and Arias. I think just
get along really great.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
They're pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
They pretty cool. When's your birthday?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Okay? Okay, I hang out with a lot of Aries.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Aries.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
All right, so that's crazy. I hang out with a
lot of Areas and Queries.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I'm telling you, Aquaries. I promise you. I have a
lot of Aries people that I deal with. And when
I say there's something magical about aquaries and aries hanging out,
I don't know about dating, but I will say, like
hanging out, there's something cool about it. I don't know why.
I don't know a lot about signs, but I do
know like aquaries and aris. Okay, all right, so take
(11:59):
me back to when you start to seeing glimmers of
like your music is working in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Direction a little after college, maybe like twenty like eighteen,
like sounds start going up crazy on SoundCloud.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
My my project.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I put a project out in like that July, and
I think by like maybe like September October, I was
like a full fledged artist, Like I really didn't have
no choice. I was doing shows every weekend. I was
getting booked. I was living in Atlanta, and like people
was playing my music back out here, and I was
like blowing up out here.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I had no clue. I got back home.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
My homies just like yeah, like hey this dude want
a bookie for a show like this?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Do want a bookie for a show. I'm like, hell no,
I need a manager or something.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, what we doing?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
So my homie Marlin, Me and my homie Marlin, we
was just thugging it out like as much.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
As we could do.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Pop were like just in your DM's booking you.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, DM and.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Me walking up on me in person like it was
even crazy, And I went on this like little I
went on tour with OJIEZ. When I came back from that,
my whole life was just like changing like fast, and
like before you knew it, I was on my own tour.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
And then what was your mom saying when all this
is going on.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I'm kind of like quiet.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
So like with my mom, we talk about everything, but
I'm the type of person like I don't really talk
about what I got going on until I'm finished because
I don't want to jinx myself, you know what I mean.
So nah, just telling my mom, she like, I'm like yeah, man,
Like I think one day I came to the house
probably in like twenty like eighteen or twenty seventeen, and
(13:41):
I was like, hey, I'm finna move out. She was
like what. I was like, yeah, like I'm out. I'll
see you later. Like I got apartment, she was like where.
I'm like like by lax. She was like in Marina
del Ray. I'm like yeah, low key like yeah. She
was like yeah, And I gave her some h your
mom with the news yeah, because it's like I was
(14:02):
just like I came because I was living in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I had already left like when I got out of college.
I was like, I'm about to go to dow.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Atlanta went you went to school, but where did you
go to college?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
At San Diego State?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Okay? And then you just moved to Atlanta like.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
The day after I came out of college.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Did and you surprised her with that move too.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
When I came home, I was like, she was like, well,
so what you gonna do. I'm like, I ain't gonna lie.
I'm like, if you could just watch my dog for me,
I'll be back, like in like six months, I'm gonna
come back.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
She was like what.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I was like, yeah, just give me like six months
I'll be back or something like that, Like I'm gonna
just go figure it out.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I'm gonna go try it out here for And why
did you choose Atlanta? By the way, I think those
noodles are going to be like, baby, you don't want
to you you don't want to turn it off?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
You see that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It's okay, yeah, okay. This is what happens when you
watch a man cook is like nerve wrecking, Like please
don't burn down the house.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It's okay, It's okay, we do.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
This, okay, see he said, He said, I took my
advice for me, or was I was? I leading you
in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
You gotta learn when to listen, you know what I'm saying.
As a man, you gotta learn how to listen.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I was like, we eat baby for when you done
all right? All right? So you moved to Atlanta. What's
the inspiration to move from LA to Atlanta?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's just where music was like the mecca at that time,
Like everything was coming up out of Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I figured, like, you know what I'm saying, let me
see what I can go.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Down there and learn. I can go down there network
maybe you know something to come up of it. So
I was just chilling down there my home meet. I
was my roommate in college in San Diego. He had
moved back. He was from there, so I just wanted
to go stay with Bro. Was staying out there just
making music. Every day, working on music. I was getting around.
I ended up making someone probably like my best music.
Think out there is why I like found like my confidence.
(15:40):
Like in Atlanta, you could be whatever you want if
you like a garbage man, like a Nick Gonna tell
you I'm the best garbage man ever. Like if you
like a cameraman, dude, gonna be the best camera man,
even if they not.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Like you know what I'm saying, But.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Like the sense of pride that you have about yourself
that I found out there, Like just seeing so many.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Like people that looked like me that were successful.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I had never really seen a lot of successful people
like me in all different lanes and attributes. So I
think it kind of just motivated me a lot, you
know what I'm saying, being out.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
There in that way.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
So then what made you decide to come back home?
I had to because of the six month you told
your my home.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Nah, I just started blowing up. I started getting bigger,
like my music and stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Making the music out there, we hearing it.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You're just uploading, putting it on Yeah, I'm just putting
it on SoundCloud, letting it go, just sending it to people.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I send my music to like five hundred people a day. Yeah.
I used to send my music out every day all
day to a bunch of people.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And just like in the in the in like doing that,
I just happened to start blowing up, blowing up.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
So you come back out here, You're getting booked for
shows where do you end up being signed because now
you're moving without management.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Right, Yeah, No, I had.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
I got with my brother Ray, So now I'm signing
to like first Class Entertainment, Okay. And after that that's
when we A couple of years later, after that, we
just was going up putting it together.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I was moving around doing.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I probably didn't have to drop a song for like,
I didn't have to drop no new music for like
three four years.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
So it was just going up off of that it
for like three years.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And that's good because you got to really work the record. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I got to work all my projects, so like I
had dropped too for real, and then it just was
going crazy. So once that happened, we got out of that,
we went over to UH. We had some meetings, We
had a lot of meetings. We had meetings with everybody,
whole bunch of labels, and it just.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Felt like the best fit was to be like a
rock nation.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Can you know what I'm saying, the best fit? Yeah, yeah,
it sounds like good friend. Tell us how it happened.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I was performing at UH the BT Experience.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You familiar with that.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
So there was a show at the BT Experience that
UH DJ head had put on and at the p
at the time, Sherry was the president of Sherry Bryant
was the president in the Rock Nation.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
And I had been knowing one of her A and
R's Earl, like that's my homie. I had been knowing
him for a long time.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
So I used to sit and wrote my music like consistently, consistently,
and just one day, uh, Scherry, see me perform. And
then before you knew it, I was just on the
plane going to New York. Like he was like, hey man,
let me.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Uh let me he let me take you to the
to lunch.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And I'm like, all right, so I'll pull up on
him well eating lunch, and I'm like, you feel me
like I pay for like I pay for it like you.
He was like, no, I gotta pay for it. It's
on the label, Like this was like a business meeting.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I'm like what you mean, Like he like, well, ship,
they want to fly you out there and meet with
like your people so we can like sign you.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
We want to sign you.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
And I'm like, man, shut up, earl, you lying like.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Like you playing like today ain't no time to play.
Stop playing. But I just gave him. I gave him
rate number, and I'll just let them figure it out
in there.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
From there, I think like maybe like two weeks later,
we have Fluid in New York and we was at
the office.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So was that your first time in New York?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yep, that was my very first time. That was my
second time going to New York. Actually my second time
going to New York.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I was gonna say, what do you think about pizza?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Y'all? Got a good pizza? Y'all got a good pizza y'all?
Impan out of Mama.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And panata is Ain't nobody going to New York to eat.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I can't leave it. I'm gonna bring the imp and
out of Mama back.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Really.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, take it on the plane with me.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I had that.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You never had I out of Mama. You from New York. Yeah,
word to my mother. You gotta figure that out.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Okay, I'm gonna figure it out.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I go.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I go there at least two to three times a year.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Me too, I get about that much.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah. I just came back from there.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah. So did you ever get to meet Hoover or
anything like that?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah? I met him.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I met Hove in La before I met him in
New York. I met him in LA at the LA office.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So if you don't know anything about me, which you
kind of already know, is I'm a huge jay Z fan.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
So you got a legendary picture I got.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I had my mom paint that custody like that.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I gave her just so you know, the picture doesn't
even do it justice. I gave my mom like a
really tiny picture, very tiny, very blurry picture. And I
was like twenty four, and I was like, Mom, I
will pay you in payments if you make this massive
painting for me. She did it for me.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
That's dope. You got a dope.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I don't want to tell you how much she charged me,
because she charged you. She very little. Now if you
ask her, she'll be like, go sell my painting the
jay Z. I'll make you another one, and like, no,
the only one in the world.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You should get it.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Only I would never he would love that though.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
He's so he's so deep into like fine arts, like yeah,
but everywhere it is like a museum.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
He would own the only one. And then I'd have
to beg my mom to paint another one. Yes, and
my mom my Mom's trying to charge a lot more
for them. Paintings.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Now, your mom like you gotta just for next, Like my.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Mom be like ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I'll tell you like over life, we got a whole life.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
She's gonna fall for that. She ain't gonna fall for that.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
My mom's gonna stop following for it. She watched this,
it's gonna be over all right.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So you gotta share one jay Z store just because
I'm a fan freak.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
So remember when that whole thing was going around, Like
when they was like, hey, do would you.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Rather take the dinner?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Or would you rather get the money? We was talking
about that one day and I was like, hey, I
got the dinner. Animal. He was like, that's a bar.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You said that to him?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah? What? He cool?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It was awesome, you know what. It's so funny because
everyone on this show who shares stories about Jay, he
sounds hell of cool. Like Neo said that he would
call him the nigga that what did he say? He
was like the nigga that gave the.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Song to Mario or some shit, the nigga that gave
us song to Mario.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
He gave the hit record to Mario. Yeah, he's mad
about that for a while. Yeah, yo, because Neil was
signed to him and he gave that song to Mario's.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Breakout record Okay just a Friend.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And then Sipho Sounds had a good story about how
he worked in jay Z's office and he acted he
was like what up, Jay, and Jay stopped and was
like that's how you greet me, like I'm jay Z
or something. So everyone always has a really cool story.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Crazy. I ain't never seen nothing see no jay Z
like that.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, he was very funny. He just seems like he's
a very fun guy.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, No, he cool. He cool is here?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, you know that day is gonna come. I'm gonna
call you up and send you an email like.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yo, my moment, kne you sold that picture And.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I'm gonna say I had I got the money and
the dinner. That's what I'm gonna say to him. Steal
that same bar, got.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
The money in the dinner. I got the money and
get that.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
That's awesome, bro. Yeah, okay, so you got the money
in the dinner.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
I remember one day I stepped on his carpet too,
and I had to tell him like, hey, I thought
you was gonna shelf me.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I've been out here.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Stressed the whole time. He got like this white this
white all pack of rug. It looked like remember on, uh,
what's that ship called with with Denzel Is that movie
called American Gangster.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
He was like, you dab that ship, blot that ship whatever?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
We stepped on it?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, like dirty as shoes. Yeah, like it was like
it was. I was trying not to step on it.
I was like, I didn't make it. And I was looking.
I looked his shoes was off.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I was like, fuck, so did you draw attention to it?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Like when I went outside, I just went back outside
on the balcony and I was like smoking.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I was just sitting there chill, and he came outside
and I was like, my bathroot stepping on your rug.
He was like, man, about that ship man, He's like what.
I'm like, yeah, I'm I'm like I thought I was
gonna get shelfed. I thought it was over with.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I'm like, damn't already started texting my management like y'all
fucked up?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Man, I stepped on that nigga rub.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
So yeah, that's cool. So not only have you had
the dinner and the money, but you've been inside his crib.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
No, that wasn't his house that was like his office.
It was just a nice rug.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, okay, nice nice place. Okay, Well hopefully your little
footprints still there. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, legendary footprint.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
You know. All right, so you're you get the deal.
What are you saying? Are you at least calling Mama yet?
Because I feel like Mama's getting like not as much
ranging love from you?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah? No.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Like, like I said, I'm the type of person like
I don't really do nothing to this.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
So I waited till like everything was good to tell
Mom was like, hey, look I did it. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So Kaitlyn is just finished making our dish. It looks delicious.
Apparently it's gonna be nachos. I want to try it.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Clean went not a team, don't nartisize me.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Don't what you know what? I feel like it's missing something.
It's missing a sauce.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Like cheese, like a Kessel. No, but what like a
Kessel cheese. You gotta have been fired.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
It's really good.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
I would have just went to the guns station and
got some little Kesso cheese real quick.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It's like, I don't know. I would have done cool
ranch chips. I would have done nacho.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
He's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
The cool ranch with this though. You know what, this
is good. This is what I'll say for everyone listening.
This is actually very impressively good. I love the meat,
I love the seasoning. The seasoning was really good. I
like this just but you need cheese. It was really good.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Sometimes, like when I was young, it might be like
one two slices of cheese left.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I wasn't paying attention. Did you drop the noodles in
with the meat and then stir it? This ship is good.
It's like a hood classic.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You gotta get through it.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
This is good. You wish you would have had cheese.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
So, ladies, when you when you want to go to Carbone,
not going to Carbone.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Is hilarious, spoken like a true Now why you keep
turn that?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Don't know?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I watched you answer a date question and I was like.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
What was it? What kind of question was it? Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Oh, something on your little on your timeline. This girl said,
was a deal of a perfect date or something?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Honest to this dude's a narcissists.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That don't make me a narcissist.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
You've been claiming that the whole time, and then when
I say it, it doesn't sound good.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
That doesn't that doesn't like justify narcissism.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Though, okay, as I've spoken like a true nigga.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Though like a true nigga, I take that. It was
answer okay.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
So I will say this. You and I are like
polar opposites in the sense that, like if I even
sat might think something great is gonna happen, I literally
call like ten people, and then when it doesn't happen,
I totally warn people up from I'm gonna be really
sad and that's how I live my life. And then
you're the opposite. A deal can be signed, money could
be transferred to your bank account, and you're gonna hold
(26:56):
it in the whole time. So how did you tell
your mom about the I hate to go back to
your mom, but I always feel like moms are like that.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I told her like a Musico met with regnation. No, actually,
I think I called her a while I was in
New York. She called me like what you doing. I'm like, oh,
I'm in New York.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
She like, how do you not stress this woman out?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
She got my location and it's like, if you're looking
for me, you know exactly how to find me.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh, you share it with me? Okay, you know what, Jesus,
she's probably got to check that every day.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
My sister usually check it.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
Your sister what My big sister usually check it every day,
Like she wake up in the marning. I think that's
like one of the first things to do because if
I'm somewhere that's unfamiliar, She'll start calling me at like
six o'clock in the morning, where are you at.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
That's how I am with my little brother when I
go to New York. He hates it. I know he does,
but it'll be like five in the morning'll be like,
where are you at. I'll be blowing up his phone.
You don't answer, I'll text him. But the last time
I did this, I said, yo, I texted like where
you at? He was like, I'm good. I said, prove
you're my little brother. Because he didn't call back. He's
(28:04):
text him like, how do I know he didn't get murdered?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And you know, somebody, my little brother is crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I was like, tell me what you used to call
me when you was a little kid like, and he
was like, you're fucking losing it. But I'm like, yo,
when you know you got to make sure you know.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Your people safe instincts.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, but I know he hates that shit. But anyways,
go on. So you break the news to your mom
you're going to this meeting with Rock Nation. She obviously
knows that you're about to get signed. What does she say?
Speaker 4 (28:29):
She was like, my fingers crossed for you. Just let
me know because she I've always been like this my
whole life. Like I'll be getting like a word at
school or something.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
I won't say nothing until like the day before, like yeah,
like like if I got to show or something like that,
I'd be like, oh, yeah, I'm just about to go
do a show real quick.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I'll just be I feel like my mom tells me,
I downplay everything.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, but I like that. I actually like that. I
like that. Like I said, I'm the opposite. I could
I could win a dollar and you don't know about
it or even change his hands and be.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Like, oh what a dollar. Yeah, I'm real quiet. I
don't really like mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I'll just be But you be excited on the inside.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Yeah, e static, like a little like you know when
you shake up a soda. Yeah that's me on the inside.
I'd be a sthetic, but on the outside, I'll just
be like chilling and then it's just like.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I said, it's high standards for myself.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
So it's like, all right, that's cool, but that's not
really where you want to go, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I don't never want to get too excited. I see
a lot of people get excited about their accomplishments and
stuff like that and then get lost in the sauce
and then like, yo, accomplishments be so lower level, you
know what I'm saying, And I don't want to It's
like it all plays a different role. You know, you
can't downsize anybody's accomplishments.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
But at the same time, like.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
If you're chasing a bigger dream, then you know what
I'm saying, then you can't be satisfied with the bare.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Minimums, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
So I noticed with a lot of successful people on
this show, the ceiling is constantly being moved. You'd be
surprised how many guests, Rappers included, they have admitted to
crying on the show. And like, these real intense situations,
you're very successful, but the glass ceiling just continues to move.
Is that how it is with you?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, every day.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Like, it's no such thing as being finished, you know
what I mean. It's not no like you should never
there's never enough work done, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
There's always more work to do every day.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
But that's I'm an athlete though, whole a lot of
that comes from me being hot.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
And when you say athlete, football okay, yeah, you look
football built. Guys, I thought he was gonna be five
to seven, crazy, six to one. I was like, oh,
I was completely off.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
It's because I'll be singing. People be thinking I'm to
be short.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah. Plus a lot of people on the end is
especially like especially if you're talking singing, they're usually shorter,
with the exception of like three the.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Girls told me she didn't believe that I was with
like some friends and they had like some girls people
like some people with them, and I guess she never
seen what I look like. She had only heard my music.
My friends was like, yeah, he a rapper, Like yeah,
all you know what I'm saying. It was just calm collective.
We was hanging out and they're like, yeah, that's his
music that he was playing. She was like, that's not him.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
That dude's like light skin or something, and She's like, sure,
he's too big to be here.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I'm like, I can see that because you look like
football player built.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, I'm like him.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I'm like, that's what I sound like. I sound like
a like a short, light skinned guy, like you know
what I'm saying. She was like on the load, like
I can't really believe that's you. She's like sing right now.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I'm like, nah, wow, no, sorry, you should have had
one of your little your friends, like pretend to be.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
What we doing on front of wordship.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I believe it. I believe it. I believe it. So
what is one experience that you could say in the
industry that really made you go whoa.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Mm hmm, like whoa like a bad war or like
a good.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Like a good whoa. Now I'm curious about a bad woe,
but a good who First.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I think just people like bigger artists knowing, like knowing
who I am. I think one one dope experience was
at the pop out.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
At the pop out with.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Kendrick, I was gonna say, I would think you would
mention that, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
No, that was dope.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Backstage, I seem tireder creator, and I'm like a low
key tired of the creator.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Fan like, I'm not like, you know, like.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
He got his fans, Like I like his music as
much as his fans, but I'm not like all into
his aesthetic. You know what I'm saying. I got my
own Inestad, I got my own style, but I fuck
with his music. He makes great music. I've seen him backstage.
He was like, what's the deal? It's like fun with
your ship.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I was like, I was playing cool. I was like,
da I got outside. I'm like called it home. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I only got like two three homies that I like,
really like act like be excited about.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Say Naked said they could see me be excited.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I like, So are those the homies you call when
like the rock nation deals? Do you do those those?
Because I like seeing that side of you where you
get like that.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
You know what I'm saying. I lost my homie.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Just get me crying all kinds like that, so like
happy tears and everything.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
So tell me about this woe bad experience. Tell me
one good one that you don't have to drop names,
but you can always hint. Dude, don't don't.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
It's just so much going on.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
It's just like I don't know where to start, because like,
I don't really care, that'd be my biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I love how you're tearing these up his breakfast. You know,
the chip bites, the ones with the little freedom chip
things in it. What are these crunch chips or whatever?
That's where it hit because it has a.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Little crustpicttle tame.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
All right, Come on, name a name because a time.
Don't name a name, but name a name.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
No, what's a wold situation or industry situation. I don't
really think I had too many bad woes, just one.
I don't really have no bad ones.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Alright, Well you were the one that baited me into
it technique.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
That's what I was gonna tell you, though, if you
if you thought it was as a female, you always
have one a bad woe in the industry. Yeah, yeah,
Like I don't really take I don't take this stuff serious.
Like you got different types.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Of people, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
You got people that want to be in the industry.
You got people that have no choice but to be
in the industry. And then you got people that don't
really care much for what's going on. Like you could
tell like who wanna be in the industry cause it's
like whoa like you.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
They'll do anything. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
They do anything, they do everything, they'll it just doesn't
make sense, like you could tell it's not a part
of their character. Then you got people that's this is
really their character. They've been acting like this they whole life.
They was just built for this shit, Like you know
what I'm saying. They just industry people. And then like
I feel like I'm more the type of person. It's
like I'll just be watching this shit like I'd be
like that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I would never do that.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Hell no, Like you know what I'm saying, Like I
don't really be on no industry shit, I would think.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
So, do you feel like your favorite part of your
job is making the music or performing?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Performing?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
So I feel like it fits in both, Like making
the music be such an experience for me because it's
like that's like therapeutic cause I get to just talk
about awe, like a lot of people don't get to
talk about their feelings and express their feelings. Like a
lot of people like just naturally have to keep it
suppressed because they don't have an outlet to be able
to speak or anybody that'll listen to him. I have
(35:35):
millions of people that listen to me, you know what
I mean. So it's like that's like a blessing. So
just being able to make that music and see like
where it coincigns with people and like who relates to
people walking up to me? Like just even this weekend
being a complex called, so many people walked up.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
To me, like I do, walk up to me like, bro,
you got me do part times and that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
And I'm not like ride Wave or nothing.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
So it's like, you know what I'm saying, I don't
make the same type of music he make, but just
knowing that my art can get somebody through, they can
can help somebody the same thing is doing for me,
it is doing for somebody else. So h yeah, that's
like dope. And then performing it. The best part about
performing it is seeing that they know it.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, like seeing them sing your lyrics kay.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Word for word. That's like the most warming experience. I'll
get caught looking at people singing oh for real.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Yeah, Like I didn't like sometimes I gotta wear glasses
because like I'll be too into it, Like I'm like, yeah,
like I would like I'm a concert goer like I
love music, like I seen music like Hello out all
day in the house and.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Stuff like that. So it's like I'll be when I'm
locked in with you. I'm locked in with you, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
So your last ep was make the West grade again,
make the.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
West grade again. It made the worst grade again.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
So, uh, you are one of the top LA artists
out right. Now, what are your like big plans? What
can people expect from you? And what else would you
like to accomplish too.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I'm gonna going to extraordinary run like this next run
that I'm about to go on, me dropping new music
and just getting into my artistry and typing into my
talents more.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I think I'm a little bit more comfortable.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Like I'm the type of person that i'd be scared
to move forward cause, uh, I'm scared to fail.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Really, Yeah, you don't even seem like that.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, No, I'll be like really like I'm really planning, planning, planning,
planning and planning, Like I'm really be scared to be
judged little key sometimes.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
So like I'll just like suppress how hard I'm going,
Like i won't do certain things. I'll sit back and
wait to do things until things get bigger. I feel
like right now I'm in like such a comfortable space
where like I feel like I've grown out of that,
like I don't really have any fears anymore.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
As an artist.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Is just like fucking I'm gonna go hard and if
they you know, they gonna like it or they not.
And me just getting back comfortable. I think it all
started with me, Like I started doing these freestyles every Friday.
That's something that I would just be doing and I
just never posted it.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
You know. Now now I'm posting them. I'm just taking
my career like a lot more serious, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I like that for you, and I could tell you
whatever you do you put even by the way you
cook this Broke dish. Thank you, it's really phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Broke.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Very impressed with everything, Very impressed. Thank you for coming
on the show, Thanks for having Where can everybody keep
up with you and everything you have going on?
Speaker 6 (38:23):
And what projects can we expect coming out.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Following me everywhere at K A L A N dot
f R f R killing for real, for real on everything.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
No heart feelings on the way.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
No heart feelings on the way, No heart feelings on
the way.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
Thanks guys, peace out.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
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