REWIND: WEEZY WTF - Gourmet Mac N Cheese - Eating While Broke

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have a
very special TV host, entrepreneur podcaster that Beach exactly very
special guests I do. We just have to end up
bleeping them out for sol. Do you beleeve about your
social song?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
No? Sorry, well I heard it.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
It messes with the algorithms.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh that's probably true.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Maybe that's why we haven't.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Weezy is from Horrible Decisions. She also has a TV
show called Sex Cells, and she is an entrepreneur. She
owns podcast recording studios in New York. And am I
missing a market?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Not yet? If you recorded me in two months, you would.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Me okay hopefully Alana and I real know, okay, okay,
but I'm really excited to have Weezy. I met you
probably over a year ago, and literally like, I just
I love everything you're about and I plan to take notes.
Oh okay, but what do you have us eating as
your broke dish today?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, my broke dish today is gourmet maca cheese because
I feel like, well, gourmet meat and macajeese. I don't
like to say hot dogs. It sounds cheap. And the
meal is cheap. But like when broke, I was like,
I need to feel full fast, and I always thought
that was like a protein and carbs, and so hot
dogs and macaroni and cheese like the easiest thing, even

(01:46):
though by itself, I feel like it tastes like shit.
So I just tried to dress it up what I had.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, I saw that. I saw these extra ingredients, and
I didn't know which direction your meal was going. So
for our listeners, can you say what is in the
gourmet met cheese?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
So I'm gonna be real with you. Allive oil is
very expensive when your road, like this is what eight
dollars for this? Maybe ten?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Probably?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, So I would use criscal but virgin olive oil.
Lorry I don't know how to say his name, but
Tony Shierrakus, I just call it Tony seasoning, Tony creole.
So we have the mixing bowls. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Oh I thought you were gonna drain the mac and
cheese water.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh yeah, I didn't even have a bad I didn't
have a what's it called. I would take the top,
pour it out.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Okay, we usually do that on the show. By the way,
this is just a fruit strainer. But go on, what's
the ingredients.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I like Nathan's. I'm not sure why. Hebrew National wasn't
my thing, but Nathan's was like the skinny ones. Like Nathan's,
We've got the cutting board and the knife so that
you can slice up the hot dogs, onions, butter and milk.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Awesome. Now it's funny because I've done mac and cheese before.
In my greatest accomplishment was adding tuna to the mac
and cheese. Okay, but I am excited.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Because there's so much don't go together. So I think
it's lostter mac and cheese and that's it.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Hey, I was broke. I didn't. I don't even know there,
you know. But but no, I'm excited because this is
my first time ever in the history of living on
this earth having gourmet mac and cheese. And it's really cool.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
You know what I actually put in myra?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Look you getting all hyped into it? What what?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Okay? Now that I'm getting money when I make gromet
mac and cheese for overall, I put like five different
type of cheeses in it, and I put a little
bit of beer whenever I Yes, I can't remember where
I learned about the beer from but it's something about
the yeast and the beer. Oh my god, you can
taste it. It's so good. Beer costs extra money, so
I felt like I shouldn't added that.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
No, no, but that's your But you now that you
make money, you actually do to still a twist the
gourmet maca cheer.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Oh yeah, you're hilarious. My mom hates it. She's like,
this is so ridiculous because every Thanksgiving we have hers,
which is classic bag mac burn at the top, and
then mine is the bougie back.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
And you're mixed, right, So is your mom black?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
My mom is black and my dad's is really okay,
maybe it should be Hebrew national.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
You're hilarious. My dad is Jewish and my mom is Jamaican.
So I have the same black and white mix because
I never ever meet it where the mom is black
and the dad is white. Whenever I see someone like that,
I'm like, hey, that's crazy, all right.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
You always see the other PEO was like, you're like
black and Jewish. You're like Drake.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Well, it used to be Lenny was the big thing
back in the day.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
People don't know who nothing you not, these young kids.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
But all right, weezy. So I am dying to try
this gourmet mac, so come away.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's not gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Why you say that, because think about.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
The stuff we eat today. I mean, you eat shitty
meals all the time.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
With Oh let me tell you. I'm getting to the
point where I'm gonna start rating it. And I've been
because I've been pretty nice. Someone made tuna castrole. It's
gonna get me caught up. But this it was literally
it's tuna castrole and the pickled egg is the worst
dish for me on the on the shelf. If people

(05:18):
said the worst pickled egg?

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Have you had a pickled egg? I thought casseroles are
for Caucasians. And this is the Black Black Network. It was.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
It was two black sisters that owned a all black
owned store that carries all black owned and they made
a tuna castrole and it was absolutely that's terrible.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Putting the olive oil in the pan for the onions
because I like it to caramelize, okay, okay, but also
I'm gonna boil the hot dogs, start boiling the macacheese.
And while that's boiling, that's where I'd just be trying
to get the flavor with the onions and Shita tastes
like extra. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
I just learned the other day that some people seasoned
the onions. Are you one of those people?

Speaker 2 (06:01):
No? Am I Karen? Now it was?

Speaker 1 (06:06):
It was a black girl.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Damn, I don't know. That's what I'm saying. I expect
her to be black.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
You said you're a carot.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
You want to know something that's just too black? My mom,
every time she watches my dog, won't feed the dog
dog food. It's only like chicken, right, And I was like, Mom,
why is that chicken color different? Oh well, it has
a little garlic powder and just a little season on it.
She seas in the dog's foods, there's too bland, no way,
And every time I got the dog be peen out

(06:39):
of its ask. Actually, there's a very special day and
week for me. By the way, my parents, I moved
them to LA, so they're flying to night.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
You moved them.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
They live in Orlando, so literally I'm New York Orlando, LA.
And I was like, I can't do this triangle. It's
got to be one back and forth, okay. So I
just wanted them closer to me, so that that, to
me was like a big life goal. That's summer Orlando.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
First of all, that's a yeah, because it would have
been cheaper to move from LA to Orlando.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
You moved them to a more expensive market. I want
them to be closer to me. This is where all
my work is happening. And like, yeah, I mean, Orlando's
where I'm from. So it was any day go on
my birthday this year, I went to suspend it with
my father. My dad, he's in a wheelchair, so it's
a lot more difficult for him to visit me like
my mom does. People probably see my mom all over

(07:30):
my content. But my dad was like, damn, I wish
I could watch TV with you all the time. I
wish we could have these moments together, Like I wish
I could be in LA with you and your mom.
And I was like, well, shit, you guys could be there,
And so yeah, I mean to me, it's crazy to
make this meal today. I actually walked by a T
Mobile store, which was my last job, to walk by

(07:50):
a T Mobile store making the meal. I made it
when I was broken. I'm literally able to afford to
move my parents here, but who knows, maybe they gonna
spend so much money I'm gonna have to eat this
shit again.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
No, no, but you're making like really big moves. I was.
I'm so excited about having this conversation with you because
knowing that you came from Brokeness and seeing like you're
making like chess moves you like effortlessly. So when I
say like, I'm pulling out the pen, like, I've been

(08:18):
working for myself for a long time, but I definitely
don't make the type of money that I need to make.
I'm still in the Jamaican like two thousand here, five
thousand here, three thousand here equals twelve thousand. You know
what I'm saying. But I'm not at the point where
I'm playing chess. So I'm literally excited about this episode
because we're all about to get took to school, you,

(08:41):
I hope. So yeah, So I hope I do the
due deal with just tell us what was going on
when you were making Gourmet mac and Cheese, the original,
So I'll tell you this, coming from Brokeness was something
that I thought you were gonna put the Sorry. I
thought you were going to do the smaller pan for
the hot dogs, and I had your pan for.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
That wild first. I don't know if you're gonna.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Boil him in the mac and cheese.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
This is the mac and cheese potting.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
No, it was the other because that pot small. I
love you. I'm making my own Okay, I'm staying out
of the kitchen.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Said you're gonna take.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Just so you know, every time I get involved in
the kitchen, I burned someone's dish. So I need to
stay in my life.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Okay, okay, made me feel better.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, because I've been burning stuff on people's own meals,
all right, So so tell me what was going on? Sorry.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
So I actually grew up with money and there was
a stock market crash that happened that lost my parents
some money, and then my dad ended up having a
stroke that kept him out of work. And so after that,
I ended up dating a guy. It was just like
rich boyfriend that was paying for my school and then

(09:51):
he was very abusive. Broke up with him and then
that stopped. My parents couldn't really afford to college. I
had to help them out because my dad had the stroke.
So started work at the mall White House black market
clothing stores like a hand tailor.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Bike Yeah, yeah, a little bit high play, yeah, high class,
that's my first I did. Did you steal anything from them,
like a few things.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Ok. Good, good, But then I realized once I had
to stop, I wasn't like stealing for real, for real, Okay,
it was just a little shit. And then one day
I wore something to work and she was like, I
didn't know you got that dress. And I was like, ah.
The craziest thing was I went to jail. I ended
up having it was for my license. Everybody thinks it
was something worse. It was for my license, and I

(10:30):
had a GPS monitor on my foot, and so I
had to always wear Maxi dresses to work, or like
super big boots to go.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
You got one of those ankle monitors?

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yes, no way, all working at my house like Marky.
It was terrible. So then I think I was helping
a woman that worked at a T mobile store and
I was selling her mad shit. She's like, you're really
good at sales. How much she's making here. I don't
remember what it was, fucking ten dollars an hour, but
my commission would be good, so it'd be up to
twenty or thirty. And she was like, I can make
you double a tea mobile with the way you sell. Oh.
Now I knew nothing about cel phone. She's like, you

(11:03):
don't have to just have to be cute. It's funny
because I went on a date the other day, this
nigga said, you look like a bitch. She used to
work its emobile. I used to tie my little shirt
up like this and be like, what kind of fun
y'all want? I was gonna sell it to all the
top niggas, the prepaid lines in the box, because you
weren't supposed to legally sell them a new number every month. Oh,

(11:25):
so niggas would come in. I just fucking keeps wiping
the shit whatever. So ended up being so good at
T mobile selling shit. I think my first year working there,
I was like twenty two twenty three. I made like
ninety thousand dollars. Get the heck out crazy. They don't
pay it over that way no more. Yeah, but like
I was selling selling something. The iPhone was hot back then,
and it just came out and literally was fucking flying

(11:48):
to Europe, just like experiencing life. Living life still had
a shitty car with windows, didn't go down, But I
just spent all my money and experiences, and what I
realized from those experiences, like, oh I got to get
more and more and more. Every time you taste a
little bit of luxury, now you need more and more
and more, you know. So from there, ended up training
T Mobile staff in Florida. Then I ended up managing

(12:09):
a store, and then they moved me to New York
to work in corporate. And now not saying I couldn't
have made it to New York alone, but I did
have a sugar daddy then, okay, And so he was.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Like a legit sugar daddy, like what you envisioned in
the movies, Like he wasn't that hot, and he had paper.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Oh he made paper. Oh yeah, like some bitches have
a sugar daddy. I he had a plane.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
He had he had a plane. Yes, Oh he was
like legit.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Okay, Oh my god. He was so rich. And I
met him working in with the fucking T mobile. He
came in. He had like three hundred lines for his
company and he was like, I'm with Rise and Da
Da da, but his daughter wanted something that was only
a T mobile. I was like, why don't you move
your lines over? And he's like, honey, I don't do
T Mobile Like this is that's very So I think
I saved him, like twenty five grand a month, and
he said he was gonna give me a gift and

(12:53):
I told him. He's like, what are you doing this week?
I was like, I'm gonna go see Beyonce Miami. He
was the Formation tour.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
He's like, how are you gonna get there? I'm like
Gonadry with my friends. He's like, take my jet, and
I remember my friend's like, oh I got you gotta
suck that owd man. We got on that jet and
it was like, bitch, I'll suck a thick Joe. And
so that was like my first entry into whole ho
ho she okay, okay, got me this insane apartment in
New York. It was like, wait he was doing that too,
oh yeah, saying when he knew I was gonna leave Orlando,

(13:20):
He's like, sweetie, I can't have you leave me. I
was thinking about getting a place in New York. Anyway.
He's like, where were you gonna move? I was like Manhattan.
He goes that means Harlem, which was true. So I
was Midtown fifty fourth and eighth. And it's so funny
because my mom came to visit me and the address
was two sixty West fifty fourth or two sixty spy.
My mom got to my apartment, she goes, oh my god,

(13:43):
it's Tudio fifty four is right there. She's like, that's
where I was going. That's where I was meeting these
rich guys. You're turning into me. She was so proud
of me. And I think, what's funny is my mom
always wanted me to.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Be with such a good personality. Could don't wear your personality?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Okay, my mom always wanted me to be with a
rich guy. I always wanted me to be taken care of.
And like, it's so crazy because now I'm the rich guy. Yea,
you know. And I don't think she expected it, but
it's just amazing. Like I never thought i'd get here.
I always kind of thought and she would say to me,
you're gonna get married, You're gonna have a big house,
and you're gonna move me and your dad in the
guest house. It's gonna be so great. And like literally

(14:20):
I'm moving them into a place down the street from me.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, without an e. But how does it not that
I also say that now you're the rich guy, like
when you do you this obviously is in the first
time you said, it is it? When did you have
the epiphany that you were the rich guy? I damn,
that's a good feeling. I can't wait to have that feeling.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
It was, It wasn't the first time I felt that was.
I was in Paris with my mom and I took
her for a birthday and I wanted to fly her
first class. But I use like an upgrade to be
getting points then, you know, because like first class time
me like ten fifteen thousand for them lay down. And
when we got there, we get to the hotel and
it was really nice and she's like, oh, what's our room? Like, oh,

(15:00):
her room? Like we have two separate rooms and every
little thing. My mom was starting to count in her head,
like how much was my daughter making?

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, she said, we.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Got our own rooms. Okay. Then we go to the store.
I'm like, you want something, I'll just get a lipstick.
I'm like, no, Mom, you can get more. You can
get a bag o.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Your mom was like, what the break is happening?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
She was bugging out. And then we walk outside of
the protest store and there's a hotel very famous called
the Plaza at My mom was telling me how princes
would take her to dinner there when she was young,
and she would meet all these guys when she was
traveling in Europe and this was like the place to go.
I was like, oh, do you want to have dinner there?
And that was when it hit my mom. She got
really emotional and she's like, I cannot fucking believe I'm

(15:37):
doing this with you. My mom is seventy seventieth birthday
at the time.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Oh, you said stay out the lane, so I'm staying.
I'm watching it.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
I get cooked for her now. Yo.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
You ain't been in the kitchen in a while.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I cooked this morning.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yo, I'm sorry. You told me that. You told me
to stay out the kitchen, and we almost about to
burn down the whole. I don't even know if you
don't read on there to be on.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
The wood part, No, I can't. I was looking for
another contract. Okay, I'll move it to this one. The
ale I tried to I love it, No, but it was.
It was beautiful because my mom really was just so
excited for me, so proud of me. I do remember,
you know, we still niggas at the end of the day,
Like we sitting here with these fucking Louis bags and
all these expensive shopping bags and literally my mom orders

(16:25):
a drink. She looks at the men. She said, oh shit,
that was forty three dollars. She was let me sip slow.
But it's really great because for me, like I don't
have kids yet, so like spoiling my parents just it's
like dream come true.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Shit for me, I can only imagine.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
I really really have wanted this for myself my life,
and like I love doing it for my mom. My
mom thinks I'm Beyonce. Like if we walk into a
place and can't get in, like you don't know how
my daughter is called Charlemagne. It's just my mom is
like my daughter's on TV and they're like, really, what anfuse?

(17:00):
But yeah, I mean I feel really proud to do that.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Hell yeah, and they come tonight. This is a big
freaking deal.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
She's gonna get her nerves well.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
And luckily you moved it right down the street. I did.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
So my mom wanted to get rid of her car.
She was like, I think I'm getting old. She had
a little moment. We were looking for her apartment and
she saw me parallel park. She started crying. I'm like,
what's wrong with you? She's like I'm older than I thought.
I don't know if I can do this shit. I
gotta get rid of my car, like I'm an old lady.
What if I hit somebody? Thought? And so we sold
her car. And I'm a little nervous because you know,

(17:33):
parents don't want to give up too much of their autonomy.
They need to be able to do shit for themselves.
So you know, I hope she can't moved her in
a walkable neighborhood. She'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, And then now are they still together? So he's
when does your dad come?

Speaker 2 (17:46):
It is? So my dad comes in tonight. He's just
like as a hospital visit, and it's a little more
extensive when someone's like fully in a wheelchair. So I
wanted my mom to have a few days to herself.
I'll take care of my dad and then you know, okay,
in a lot of shit they've lived there forever. Okay, Okay,
so yeah, it's a big deal.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
So let's talk about go back to your broke story, okay,
because I want to know how this elevation because it
seems like somewhere around your elevation that was like a
speed track.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
So the broke missus The brokest I think I'd been
was when I left the abusive X. Right. He only
let me keep barely the clothes that I had that
I had when I like got with him.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Are we talking like emotional or physical abuse?

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Physical and emotional? He was crazy. I mean, I don't
know how dark you can get on the show. But like,
I didn't even know it was bad because I just
kind of thought when a man is paying for things
for you, like you deal with a little bit of something, right, Yeah,
And so to me, if you never close your fist,
I thought that was fine. I never realized how the

(18:51):
steps of you know, physical violence can be.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
So when I left him, he didn't give me anything.
It was really tough. I mean, mind you, I went
from when I was a kid having a driver drive
me to school that's how my parents were, to like
literally figuring out what I was gonna do with the
last bottles, right, So it was really tough. And I
couldn't ask my parents for anything, didn't want to tell
them how bad it was. Yeah, you know, so when

(19:17):
I moved, he.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Didn't want to tell them because they were already struggling.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah. And then I can't imagine how my mom would feel.
She's like, oh my god, was like excited about you
having this rich boyfriend?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
So ended up finding a place, I think it was
seven hundred a month, split the rent with a homegirls,
a two bedroom in Orlando. He was right by Walmart,
thank god, because that's where I was buying all the
fucking hot dogs, the mac and cheese. Wrong, but my
number one broke thing I would do. So I used
to hang with all the trap news because hello, that
was my jam okay, and I'm from Florida, right, so

(19:49):
like southern culture, big car shows, HBC's like, it was
just fun and basically what I would do if they
were going to like buy a bottle or a table
in the club, I would see if I had like
maybe thirty dollars left on my account so that it
would overdraft, and have them give me the cash. And
that was like my payday loan to myself.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Oh wow, hold that You are like really in deep
when you think of that strategy.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. My roommate and I at the time,
I remember we both got paid on different weeks. So
there was a Thursday and we both got paid that
or I got paid that Friday. I was like, damn,
we don't have detergent left, but we want to go
to the club. We had like twenty bucks. She was like, okay,
we get vodka or detergent. And we got vodka. Okay,
we you some body washing like clean shit. In the

(20:33):
same we were like, we got to go out and
meet niggas to make more money. And it's crazy that
like that was what I thought being able to have success.
Look like I got to meet a rich guy. I
got to be a basketball player or they or that guy. Yeah,
which a lot of women still think they need to
do today.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I want to subscribe. I'm gonna say it openly. I
want to subscribe to the rich nigga club because I
do the opposite. I'm like, are you broken, homeless? Let
me help you. I can graduate you to the next week.
Oh no, trust me. You don't want to get in
that game. You know what the problem is because they'll
turn around to look at you and be like, I

(21:06):
know I'm homeless, but uh oh no, my life, I
think I'm better than you.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
The problem is, like I think now, a lot of
the dudes are in my industry right, so like the
people that I'm working amongst I can't be out here
like trying to fuck with these niggas for bread like
I used to. Don't get me wrong, I would still
want Toby, but like for real, like you know, it's
like they'll know me from somewhere. I've seen me on something,
so I don't want to be a bird then I

(21:32):
just end up, you know, a bird with these niggas.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
But whatever, I'll tell you right now, I am learning
and I am done. So you know, if you ever
find a rich one, you can always slide on. Heyko,
I'm like, yeah, because I've actually I've never actually dated
a rich dude.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
My damnsel in distress thing all the time was just
like I just really want to be able to like
ount my you know, parents, And it was true. I was.
So I'm just like working really hard and I can't't
work college. But just like, I'm really smart. I read
a lot. I was always like doing a fucking sob story,
which I'll tell you what, my sugar daddy. A lot

(22:11):
of the things that I think helped me now are
the stock tips and investment tips I got for my
sugar daddy.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
But didn't didn't you say were your parents in stock
market too, though it crash okay, so you didn't want
to take tips from them, were you? Like No?

Speaker 2 (22:28):
But you know, with him, particularly my sugar daddy, I
remember he would get up at four o'clock in the morning,
five o'clock in the morning and watch the market, to
watch the markets in China wherever, just international stocks four
x right, things like that, and it never made me
want his money. I always wanted to be him. I
always wanted to be that person that just had this, this, this,

(22:48):
this and that. To me that was so attractive about him.
People used to always ask me how I could fuck
him and shit like that, and I was like, Bro,
you don't know how rich the person is. You don't
know how how much that drives me. The ambitition and
that made him sexier and sexier. So one day I
eventually just asked him like, hey, I really want to
learn the stock market, but like, you know, what, can
I put like five hundred dollars in And he's like,

(23:09):
that's not a start. I'll give you ten thousand dollars
if you can make it grow. I forgot the time frame.
He said, I'll reward you with another ten and he did.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
And I kept growing it and growing it. I think
at the time I even put the money in T Mobile.
Think it opened became a publicly traded company when I
worked there, became publicly traded and then it was six
dollars and then they went up to like thirty, and
I thought, I get a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
So when you were doing the podcast, and this is before,
I want to say, before everybody was on podcasting correct,
seven years ago? Yeah, I mean it was like before
the new Waive or were you guys early in Like
we were.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Very early, and like people were verly really do video,
I think for popular podcasts, just for scale.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
I don't understand how you're mixing water and oil and
you're not getting burns.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I'm standing away. I'm trying to like I didn't have
a grill, okay, but I'm trying to get that real plate.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Okay, Okay, you know what I mean. Okay, gourmet continue.
I don't want to detail you.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
This is pucking me up. This is hard. I can't
even listen to music when I cook one.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
You would be surprised how many people will at the
after each interview, They'll be like yo, cooking and talking
at the same time really really difficult because.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
You're like knowing that you have to engage, like that's
what's making it.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
And you have to like tell your story the entire time.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I don't know, I'm about to start telling you some lies.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
No no, So so your sugar baby is sugar babe,
sugar daddy, so that would make you the sugar baby, right,
sugar baby. Okay, okay, I'm going to be a sugar baby.
I'm going to get a shirt Baisy Bros.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Every time I was out with I would take him
to like fucking any now. And this when I just
moved to New York. Catch just just came out at
the time, and SGK was super popular. I remember all
them niggas if you be looking at me with him,
and I'd be like, come on, babe. Also just turned
on knowing that he had to fuck me for money,
uh huh, which is terrible, but I was okay, it
was sexy to me, like especially when I remember he

(25:19):
would be like, you want to get some clothes and
I would always want to get a little Nike askic
to shit. You know many all the niggas of you
in yeah, he's my daddy. But so anyway, start horrible decisions.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
But I like how you were actually inspired by his
moves versus well, I don't want to say I like,
but it's interesting that you were inspired by him being
successful to be even more successful, and you you took
the initiative to even say, hey, I want to learn
what you're doing and do it on my own, which was.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's like I always wanted this sex in the city
life mm hmm, but I never felt like any of
them needed men to live that life. Yeah, and so
I wanted to have the girlfriends that I was wearing
an amazing designer with and fucking enjoying fashion show and
doing this shit. But I knew if I was tied
to a man, I wouldn't have that freedom. And I
had also experienced my first relationship a man with money

(26:12):
and abuse, so I was like, I have to have
it on my own. I can't be down again. And
you know, I hate to say it like this, but
my mom was a housewife her whole life. And what
happened to my parents with losing their I mean their
house got four clothes on right, the home that I
semi grew up in. It's like it was tough to
watch them go through that, and I think about two
incomes or just diversifying, shit, what that would have meant.

(26:33):
So that really fueled me a lot. And it's tough
for my mom to hear that.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, but why have you had those sidebar conversations?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Oh yeah, definitely, But it's not easy, like my mom.
My mom is so amazing, but there's moments where she's like,
oh my god, I never taught you to go out
there and do it alone. But look at you in
a way, you're you know, well I made money off
of personality.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Well you make money because you're a gangster entrepreneur. That's
really it. I mean the personality. I mean, in my opinion,
the personality is just like the cherry on the cake.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
But you know what, I'm a feller at heart. And
my father that's what he did growing up. He owned
like camera stores and like you know the little row
like stores back in the day they'd have where they
were selling electronic these shops. That was my dad's like
line of work. Okay, And when I was growing up,
I mean this shit, that's what I started selling clothes,

(27:31):
t mobile, my blizni. Then then like literally everything about
it felt like selling to me. You know, like it's
interesting the way Mandy and I have kind of done
our business. I always felt like she has really helped
us so much when it comes in terms of our finances.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
She had a financial background, and even though I came
from the tech world, was selling like I mean, I'm
the first person when we're on a call that's like
I want to do it for this much or we
need this or that, And like, I love that We've
been able to play up both of our corporate roles
in that. Yeah, and I've got a lot of seller
blood in me. My partner Alex now with WTF Media Studios,
anytime we have a big deal or he sees someone's budget,

(28:11):
he's like, oh, you have to sell them on the phone.
You have to tell them why. And I really enjoy
it. It makes me feel like I still got it a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I always say this that I think I used to
always say. When I have a child, I want to
teach her how to read, I want to teach her
financial literacy, I want to teach her about God. But
the number one skill that she has to have before
she graduates high school is the ability to sell, because
I think it is the most underrated skill. And if
you're going to go work for yourself, the number one

(28:42):
thing you're gonna have to do is sell a product,
sell yourself. And so I don't buy anything, yep. And
I remember when I had my first company. I remember
going to a home deep or office depot and buying
those little sale books and you know, how will out
my hair pulled back and all this and whatever. But
I knew right away that sales is the one skill.

(29:03):
And I would listen to all these audio tapes too
about like how people you know you're almost nervous getting
into it.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Well, what's interesting about selling too? I know Mandy and
I had a conversation about this, Like so I never
finished college because I couldn't afford to finish it because
I got out of that relationship, right, m I don't
want it to splatter in all this equipment. I don't
know only do it like this. But Mandy at the
time coming off of two degrees working for this huge firm,

(29:29):
and she was working more hours and not making as
much as me in accounting at that time. I understand
it was junior Levelah, but I think about that a lot,
and I think about the money you can make from
selling all the time, and I think about that instance
of like, shit, maybe she's smarter than me, but why
isn't she making it up? And it's because that particular

(29:50):
skill really can't be taught, real can't.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, you gotta practice it and practice it and practice
it and practice it.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
I mean, I believe Mandy is greater than was. I
gonna say, you know, the job that she had, and
that's why she's making way more and doing way more
things now. But yeah, I mean it's definitely a thing.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
So yeah, with selling doing shit like that, had horrible
decisions on the side, and it was really difficult to
juggle both. And so about two years into doing horrible decisions,
I quit. But it was mainly because I was like,
you know what, if I ever wanted to come back
to this shit, I will, Like I've been making jokes recently,
I'm like, oh my god, me and fifteen years I'm
probably gonna be a real estate agent.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
So why did you quit?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Two years in the trajectory of horrible was faster than
the trajectory of corporate America. For example, how long do
we work a corporate job? Right? So you want to
get promoted, I worked for Teambile six years. I got
to be a manager after year three and a half
four if there's a spot for you, so to me,

(30:52):
I kind of just felt like this is moving faster
than my rate in the corporate world.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, but you said you quit horror.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh sorry, quit my corporate Oh okay.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Okay, Oh, because you were like two years in I
quit horrible. So no, you quit your corporate okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Got quit my corporate job after two years, and I
legitimately felt like it was not gonna make me.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
But I have to ask before how much were you
making it horrible to say, okay, not as you make it. Oh,
you weren't making as much as T Mobile.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
So here's the thing, because a lot of people ask
me when is the right time to quit a job,
and I can only explain it like this, starting Team Mobile,
I made ninety thousand, ending I was around one seventy five, okay, which.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Is damn T Mobile, Go ahead, go on.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
It was like I was selling to companies that needed
like Ethernet, I graduate disaster recovery like I graduated from phones.
But basically this is what happens, so horrible decisions at
that time that I quit. May have been making me
one hundred thousand, maybe one twenty five from touring mainly,
not even Patreon add money.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
And that's two years. Yeah, jeez, all right, go on,
And I.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Think the tour money because Mandy and I were buying
out theaters. We brought out carolines on Broadway.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
And you guys were physically doing it yourself.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Splitting that money, paying ourselves back event bright type shit.
But what I realized was like, oh, took me six
years to make ninety to one to seventy. Yeah, took
me two years from zero to one hundred. So next
year I'm gonna make more. Yeah, let's just say I
make another fifty. It's worth it. Not to mention I
have more time on my hands. I could probably do

(32:31):
more appearances and more tour dates, so it's time to quit.
I also remember one moment it was brilliant idiots. If
anyone watches that episode, I was literally wearing a suit
like a blazer and a skirt, but Mandy and I
had to make an excuse to leave our jobs that
day to go shoot with Charlee Mane and Andrew. So
I think that it really will show you, like when

(32:53):
you have to start saying no to things. Oh oh yeah,
when you have to start saying no to things because
of your day job, Yes, that's when it's time, Like
when you're really getting booked like that, like TV appearances
even Like I remember we did Vice Live and I
couldn't be there early for the rehearsal because of my job,
and I was like, damn man, and anyone who's watching

(33:13):
this who might be semi getting entertainment, whether you've got
a TikTok or popular Instagram channel, you want to do
a Horrible Decisions podcast and maybe get or even eating
while robe. Who the fuck is gonna do this shit
at six thirty seven o'clock at night, right, who's gonna
do what? Like to have a guest? Yeah, entrepreneurs, Like
all this shit gets filmed during the day, so it's
really tough to have a nine to five and pursue

(33:35):
those entertainment dreams. And like that was why I was
like I got to figure the shit out. I think
my biggest success in this industry came during the pandemic
while Pivoting So made the TV show Sex Sells. It's
about the business of sex, having money, making money from
sex without having it, and I came up with that

(33:58):
because that's how I make money, right, Basically, talk about
sex covered all these adult industries and I'm not a
TV star, and it ended up popping on tuess and
that's why I'm on, how did you?

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Did you package that yourself and then start selling it
or did you package it and then started calling Charlemagne
or different people you have relationship with, and like, so
I have something that I need.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
That's what made me the most proud. I didn't need
a co sign for that. Okay, I believe horrible decisions
had the Charlemagne co sign, and that's what made a
lot of people watching in the beginning. I do believe
Charlemagne made our success faster. Don't believe we're successful because
it happened faster. But what happened with Sex Sells was
like I just had so much time during the pandemic

(34:39):
to think, and I knew my two loves were fucking
in money m hm, and so I was like, oh
my god, I should make the show. I want to
humanize sex workers, and literally people don't talk about their
sex lives on it, and a lot of people have said, like, oh,
it's like horrible decisions on TV.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
But it's even it doesn't sound like it. It sounds
completely different because you're talking about this set workers right right.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I'm interview a lot of the guests we had so
that I can, you know, show them some love and
they've got real businesses promote them. But no, it's totally
different and I love doing it. It makes me. It
really brought me into the world of seeing how production works,
the larger skill budgets and money.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
So, but you pitched it yourself, That's what I'm saying,
Like you went out there or did you have a
manager that helped you so.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
It started slow. I didn't have a manager, never had
an agent ever.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Basically, oh still to this date.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
No, not personally, Damn you're a gangster. I have a
person that gives I give them a cut of my
money if they do pr stuff for me, but if
they get me a deal. But yeah, So basically, there
was a guy that reached out to me months back
before the pandemic was like, oh, do you want to
do this type of show? I was like, no, pandemic
hits and I was like, you know what, I wonder

(35:51):
what the fuck he's doing. It's like he making TV
is TV being made, and we started talking about what
it would look like if we work together and came
up with sex cells together. He worked at FEWS at
the time. Help me package it, oh, help me make
a bible. And we did it that way. But what
I will tell anyone that has a good TV idea
is people that work in development needs shows all the time.

(36:14):
I currently run development for Kenya Barris at Audible. Right, okay,
don't send me shit right now, I'm done with that.
But like literally, I was wondering what shows we're gonna
make for him, Like developers want to fucking know, and
if you have good ideas, shooting pilots, making decks, having
a bible, having the demographics of why it would be good,

(36:36):
not just coming in their blank like hey, I'm not
doing anything like I've been doing XYZ. Like if you
hit up the Food Network, you'd have how much to
show them? For real? You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I'm gonna take notes. Remember how I said I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Notes goge you did, But like here it is, here's
my spread, and this is what I do with this
type of budget. Imagine if you gave me fifty thousand
an episode, I could be doing it on location. I
could be coming to their homes. I could be XYZ. Like.
There's so many different ways for the things that we're
making right now to make them next level. Yeah, and
so I think that we just kind of have to

(37:10):
use our network. Like my biggest thing with playing chess
is making sure that I'm rubbing elbows with those that
can one day need to use me for something I
need to use you.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
That's awesome, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Because the thing is, I remember Charlotte, he said this
about someone. They were like, he was like, that person
is such an opportunist, And I was like, I wonder
if that's who I am. But really, I don't ask
I let every single person know what the fuck I do.
I just had a dinner where I sat down next
to one of the most famous comedians in the world.
I don't even know if this person can travel on

(37:46):
a commercial plane, that's how famous they are, right.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
When they asked me what I do, didn't even say
a podcasting. I was like, I own a production studio
in New York and Las Black owned. We shoot podcasts mainly,
but we also have a mobile team boom. Now it's
in your brain, now, you know what you can use
me for, Like, that's the job I felt like I
needed to sell to that person at the time. When
I talk to TV show, TV networks or people that
work in Netflix or different things like that I host,

(38:09):
I do this, I do that right, Like I want
to make sure that I'm useful to people that I've
rebbed elbows with.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, I think your sales skills like shines through. I
always say, like sales is more about paying attention to
what the customer wants, listening to them, and then catering
to their needs. That's just trying to sell someone something
that they don't want to buy. So even the way
you're talking is like your sales skills are just really amazing. Yeah,
because that's how it is. You're supposed to sell. You're

(38:36):
supposed to you know, if someone walks up to me
right now, I'm gonna think about, you know, what it
is they're gonna need or want from me.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Correct. You know, that's a really good point because I
didn't even think about me selling myself in that way,
but like, damn it is.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
It is. But now opportunists is different because opportunists are
I always say, I want to be a business person
not a hustler, because I feel like a hustler is like,
I'm gonna take advantage, someone's gonna at the short end
of a stick. But a business person is like, we're
all gonna win. You're gonna walk away with your piece
of the pie. She's gonna walk away with her piece
of pie, and I'm gonna walk away with my piece,
and no one feels to agreed.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
You can never make someone feel like they're doing you
a favor.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, like at all.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
I mean, Charlotte Mane was lucky and lucky enough to
make horrible decisions with his rollout on Black Effect. I
know there's eighty five South all the smoke, and I
literally was thinking to myself the other day, Charla Mane
and is Charlotmane, But horrible decisions was still good enough to
where Black Effects was like, oh, we do need those numbers,
but we sell to add people like I don't want
to fucking suck anybody's dick to feel like and I'm

(39:38):
not talking about that instance, but just anyone like, thank
you so much for giving this to you. Yeah, yeah,
when you know your value, yeah yeah. We have to
make sure that we're definitely pouring into ourselves in that way.
But I mean, shit, you know I love fuse to death,
but I also know my show brings number then and
I know that's why they treat me well. They love
me too, like we're definitely doing what we need to
do for each other. Like I'm so happy to be

(40:01):
on a network that you know I can be their
most watch show. Like maybe if I was on an
HBO or some Netflix, maybe I would just kind of
go under the radar.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
I don't think so. Maybe I honestly don't think so.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Thank you, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
I'm not even trying to be well, what was your
hardest hurdle? I think it just to come to day
because I feel like you have a lot of great pivots.
But like, where was there a point where you were

(40:35):
like I don't know, hmm that you seriously like had
that conversation if I don't know, And it could have been.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
A studio, Okay, my studio, which is the best thing
I've ever done. Actually, my studio gave me the seal
of approval to be bigger than just a podcaster. Like
that was really when I became a businesswoman. No matter
how hard, Mandy and I have worked. I never felt
like that, and it's no shade to her. I don't
know if it's because with women. I don't know if
it's because we talk about sex, but like I had

(41:04):
to do something else for myself to feel like I
could be respected. And it really shows something about brick
and mortar spaces to make people feel very like, oh,
they're really doing something, which is weird. But it's also
because I started getting other people money, Like.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
What was the hesitancy, Like where was that hesitancy at?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Like where was that pain that investment? Right, my partner
Alex shout out to him, we spent an insane amount
of money on fucking equipment, which is why we have
one of the best studios right, Like literally, I was like,
how can we be charging people this little but like
our equipment is so fucking expensive, like it doesn't add
up or whatever. Yeah, and he was like, Yo, that's

(41:45):
why everybody's gonna come to us, to know that the
podcasters like us can be there and then the Charlotte
Maanees of the world or whoever they may be. David
Letterman wasn't.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Our shit, Oh shit, right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
He's like to know these people and Okay, you can
sit amongst them like we're gonna be for all of them.
And that's really been our brand. I believe that's why
we're growing. I mean, we get resumes like fucking crazy
every day.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
So how long did it take when you so you
made that initial investment. The by the way, you're cooking
like we are in a rich restaurant.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
At the point. Look at all the food she.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Made and it's like, I feel like I'm about to
eat an appetizer.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Go mate, you try to make it look clean and minimally.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
When the cameras are off, I'm gonna just go in
with a fork and just eat everything direct.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
I know it.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, because I'm starving and you gave me like an appetizer.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Well, it's fucking hot dogs, girl.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
I want to see you sit down next to this
mic and spend quality time with me.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Okay, okay, let's try this. It looks good but.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Not bad.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
You look is the onions.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
I'm surprised you didn't mix these in together.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Funny enough, my COO talks about Haitian spaghetti and there's
hot dogs in it. I never mixed the hot dogs
a pasta, but this is kind of good.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
This ship is amazing. Did you mix it all on
one fork?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I put it together on I don't want to touch
on the plate for.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
A y'all, listeners. The hot dog and the onions smack.
I definitely will mess with Nathan's just because I feel
like maybe it tastes different or I just haven't had
a hot dog.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
In a while.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
But the freaking grilled onions in mac and cheese cheeses genius.
Bro I don't know why I've never thought of seasoning
up my mac and cheese, but the grilled onions, it's crunchy,
it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
I am so happy.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
I am very impressible.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
The only thing is.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
I would maybe add and I don't even know, but
do you agree? Would you add more salt to the
mac and cheese?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Oh? I put salt on my stuff, but I don't
want to do that to people.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Oh okay, that's.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Why I left the lorries for you. You know, sodium
is a bitch nowadays. Plus there's a lot of salt
in Tony Sherari. What her fucking name is?

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Okay, So for a girl that came from money, went broke,
had sugar daddies and it's self made to the point
of flying your family in from Orlando to LA still
in the early early I don't even want to say
how early thirty she is because all of us are listening.

(44:25):
Can you believe that much you've accomplished? It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
You know. Sometimes I get scared, like I'll lose it,
But then I realize the hunger that I have to
help everybody around me is too deep. It's too intense
that I don't think it could happen.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Now do you deal with well? You said you have
multiple companies. You're definitely spread. It sounds to me like
you're spread pretty thin. I'm so happy you shared that
because I always think that maybe I'm doing something wrong
if I have so many hustles going at the same time.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Fuck. No, you know there is something to be said
about a master of none. But I will say this
much what's worked for me. I don't steal anybody's idea.
I really ride my own wave. I made a studio
not because there's other podcast studios, because there were no
black owned ones that we're going to have podcasters run it.

(45:15):
I'd never been to a podcast studio run by a podcaster.
I made horrible decisions because I really wanted to do
a fun sex show with someone that I knew was authentic,
and there were no black shows about sex that were
hosted by normal girls. Yeah right, it was always like
porn stars or whatever. Everything that I've done so far
hadn't seen before except for stock, I would say. But like,

(45:37):
I've really rode my own wave, and that's why I
think it's worked. So when you do too many different
trades and you're taking an idea, like your concept is different.
We've all seen a cooking show which your concept different, right, Yeah, yeah,
so it's like you have to have something different added
to it, and I think that if you don't, you
then become a master of none because you're just trying

(45:59):
to do things that other people do.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, that's tough. I have a fear of I don't
even know where this fear came from, But when it
comes to partnering with other people, I feel like my
greatest asset is my relationships. And it's probably because I
have so much integrity. I'm like, dude, I won't hurt
a full I really won't even hurt a fly because
I want to treat people the way I would want

(46:21):
to be treated. So my loyalty is there. But when
I see like you and Mandy working together and you
and Alex working together, I'm like, either the integrity on
you has got to be super lit or how are
you managing that partnership? Because I always I always get nervous,
like what if the other partner doesn't hold up or
there's a disagreement? So how do you how do you
navigate that?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
My first partnership I've ever had was with Mandy, right,
and Mandy and I had stopped we're friends, stopp being friends,
became friends again during the show, fell out of friendship again.
But I think we are so hungry to make money
that we look past that and we're able to think
of the greater purpose. If I had a co host
that wasn't about our fans, maybe I couldn't do the job,

(47:05):
you know what I'm saying. But Mandy's a self starter
like I am too, so it's not tough. Like Mandy
and I were on tour putting together the merch table
or doing something with the merchant of the VIP things.
And you know, if I see her doing something, I
don't want her to do it alone.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Like yeah, because oh nice, Okay.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
You know, and I think she feels the same for me,
so we definitely try and trust me, I have a
time where I didn't even realize how much work she
was putting in with the finance stuff. She's making spreadsheets
and shit back then and doing stuff I didn't even
understand that works. I would try to do it on
the creative side. But like I think for me, with partnerships,

(47:43):
there's a skill set that someone has that I don't.
You know, wtf is so about the tech which is
all Alex and not me. But I do have to
give myself credit on how we were able to get
this shit going. I just don't know how much on
rent is or where the light people come from? What
fuck going on? Which is great, yeah, figure out the
other shit. Like I really learned how to use our

(48:04):
skills and work together in that way, and it's definitely
been touched. She's one of my tough he's one of
my best friends, and it's like damn, now, sometimes it's
all work. So we really have to feed that friendship.
You know, we have to have a night where we
get drunk together and have fun and not talk about work.
We have to really do that to enjoy each other
and separate it because it's tough.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah, I know with Dolly. Dolly and I came from
the nick Cannon area. A lot of people don't know this.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
So my whole hookup with Black Effects, the President of
the Black Man, yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
My stuff was an accident. It was legit. I was
telling Dolly I was literally like flying weed money during
the pandemic because I was I was hustling all different directions.
But anyways, I was trying to build this show and
I was like, Dolly, I think you should be a
part of it. But you know, she had this other
job offer and she's like, should I take him? Like,

(48:51):
as long as they don't tell you to go to work, girl,
I'm all about taking all checks. I didn't know it
was the President of the Black Effect or whatever. They
happened to need a cooking show, and she pitched Eating
While Broke and called me like, you're gonna kill me?
And I was like, why would I kill you? We're
actual friends, you know, I told you. She's like, I
told you know, iHeart and ICM and Charlemagne about Eating

(49:13):
while Broke and they loved it. And I was like, okay,
so where do I kill you? She's like, well, they
you know, we run a podcast network and your show
is you want to do a TV show. I'm like, Dolly,
the table was just built in my garage. My neighbors
are driving past it. I actually don't even know where
this table is gonna go, okay, And I think I

(49:35):
had just found out I was pregnant or I was
like borderline in that conversation, and I was like, shit,
you know I was doing illegal weed activity. I was
hustling in all these different plans, but I had this
idea that was literally sitting in my garage, Like they
just finished putting the forks on the table, and I'm like, Dolly,
I'm about to go broke. And I done pitched all
my celebrity friends. But I don't even know if we're

(49:57):
just taking this table to their house or how we're
even doing it. So why would I kill you? Like?
And she was like, yeah, well, they want to send
you an offer, like and I was like, She's like,
can you send me all your decks and stuff? And
I was like yeah, I had already had everything made.
But it was really no reason to kill her. But
even to this day, like sometimes as friends, I'll have
to get on the phone with her and she'll be like,
I don't want to talk business, or we could talk friends.

(50:18):
So that's how we managed the friendship. It'd be like,
Dolly ain't joyning to hear nothing about work.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
That's tough. When someone's like cutting, that's tough.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I remember the first time I heard an attitude from
Dolly when I was asking for more money.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
I was like, oh, oh yeah, Dolly will tell me
no so fast. I don't know, but you know, I separated.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
It is a safe place. It's a safer place than not,
you know, in my heart is times with Mandy, I
remember being so angry at her. We've definitely thought like
I can't do this anymore. Literally, I was like, why
I go fucking Where am I gonna go? Like all
this goddamn money, where am I gonna Where? Am I
gonna go work for someone else? Some fucking white dude?

(50:56):
Like No, I'm gonna make this money with her and
figure it the fuck out. Actually, it's interesting with our partnership.
I recently was at dinner with someone who asked me
about books and money spending and things like that, and
I was like, when you talked about integrity. I just
thought about it, whether I'm angry with Randy or not.
I've never thought she would like take money from the

(51:17):
company or something. Right with Alex and I were bestie,
so we're not going to fuck each other over. And
they were telling me about how someone been sneaking money
out of their partnership. And I never thought of the
bad side of what could happen for partnerships, only the good.
But it's really because I do find strength in numbers,
and I think partnership just builds and builds and builds

(51:38):
your portfolio. I mean, I would rather have half of
ten things, you know what I mean, especially knowing that,
like there's so many times Alex has called me and
is like, Yo, Neil Brennan is coming in and David
Lehiman coming in our studios us right, or maybe I'll
hit him up and I'll be like we're locked down
for a week. We got a deal from Amazon. Like
it's always one or the other, and it really really

(51:58):
helps because when when you're trying to get all that
different money, yeah, you can't do all things. I don't
believe in people that are trying to have too much
control over everything, you know, that's that's when it gets
really tough. That's when you get burnt out. You've got
to be able to alleviate some of that. I'm real
cheap and I don't even be wanting to give money
up to an assistant, but I realize it helps make
your life easier.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Have you have you considered bringing one on yet I
have one, as it has been helpful.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Well, our studio is so busy. She's now just the
studio manager of the two New York locations. But oh,
she was amazing, Like she literally helped me with my
grandmother's funeral, you know, like when you've got a good one.
But my sister is like a real nigga, Like she's
not like she's not, Oh, she's so great. She'll call
me like these mother, Like she helped me with the

(52:43):
thing for the wheelchair for my dad today. Right, she
sent me a screenshot of an email she was like
these motherfucker's trying to play me bruh, And like it's
so funny because like you kind of do have to
work with someone that makes you feel comfortable. You know,
if she was too tidied up, I don't think I
can do it. Yeah, But like I love partnering and
working with people that make me feel like I'm at home. Yeah, yeah,
because when we face the world, there's a different person

(53:06):
across that, you know what I'm saying. So knowing that
we hire black and hire people that are a vibe
like yeah, it's just it's so great, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Think, but also finding someone that really is invested in
your vision and your long term goals. I know with
my crew, I love them like if I feel something's
de routing, I'm like, dinner, lunch, we're getting together, Let's
get to the table and find out what's going on.
But we I genuinely like love my crew, Like.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Everybody that works for me, I would want to have
a drink with them. Yeah. That to me, I don't
want to hire anybody that makes me feel like like
anyone nerves and they're weird or like, I want to
know they're cool, whether they be nerdy as fuck, and
maybe we don't share those hobbies, like there has to
be some connection there or I won't maybe care as much.
And I think my thing to being a good boss
is giving a fuck yeah, you know, writing down everyone's birthdays,

(53:54):
making sure I get them a gift, sending them text
telling them I appreciate them. I also don't say people
work for me. Like if I'm in front of someone,
I feel like that's.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Do you do? You call them like your team? How
do you reference them?

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I'd be like, I say we work together. If someone
wants to know, oh, I like that. Even if they
walk in the studio and they know on the owner,
I'd be like, this is Danny, he works with us,
or like that just makes me more comfortable. Yeah, I
find a lot of condescendingness and when people kind of
just be like they work for me.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah. I was at an event the other day and
someone said, just so you know, I'm her boss, and
I was like, yeah, I don't know if you had
to say that. I don't even know the point of
saying it. But I think mainly in corporate and maybe
not very small smaller well, I don't want to say
an entrepreneurs. I don't know, but I do see. I
guess if you're not at the higher level, you see

(54:44):
that more because I don't even think the executives be
like I'm the boss.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
No, but like look at Connell from Our Heart, Yeah,
he was hugging everybody and chilling I'm like, what the
I don't know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, But you know that's
the thing too. I feel like there's this middle of
success when you try to prove yourself. I can only
related to this. When I was kind of getting some
decent money. I wanted to wear leubatons. I wanted to
wear my fucking one Louis buiton bag everywhere. I needed

(55:08):
to throw it in your face. Yeah. Now I'm kind
of like, you know what I mean, Like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Yeah, Well that's how I feel about Montessori School right now.
Every time I see someone, I'm like, I pay two
thousand dollars a month for my one year old to
go to school. I should just have it as a
billboard at this point. Oh bro, I feel like I'm
luxury and that's really probably a regular person thing. But
I'm like, now, that's.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
That's better than they care, you know.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
I literally, but I brag about it, like and I'm
pretty I saw some comedian talk about like how when
black people brag when they're rich, Asian people bragg when
they're rich, and how white people brag when they're rich,
and I was like, yeah, I'm definitely the black person
that was like, I pay two games.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I try to find ways in a point where I'm
feeling a little inferior. Yeah, sometimes people you never know
they're making my like it's I can't explain it. But
there's moments where people will make you feel like you
don't below in the room there. Yeah. Yeah, that's when
I might do a little bit of really. Oh yeah,
I'm trying to think the last time I haven't I
had this story. I told im horrible. It's on our

(56:10):
Patreon where I came back from Paris and I was
hanging in this Beyonce and jay Z party. It was
very small, like thirty people, and after that you couldn't
tell me shit. It was me and Alex. I was like,
fuck you bitch with like, you know, in the air together.
So I just kept finding ways to bring it up.
So we went to like some Spotify dinner that week
and everybody's just like, oh, horrible decisions. Never heard of it. Yes,

(56:33):
actually I've been to France. Not that you asked, was
there or whatever, but like, I'll be trying to figure
out a way, but I don't know. And I think
that's kind of when you do have and I know
that I came from something, so I just can't say
it came from nothing. But like when you had that struggle,
you want to know, you want people to know I
belong here too, Yeah, because I have a lot of
hell of privileged people that I know that don't really

(56:56):
have that that driver or the that that.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
They're the backstory, they don't need to.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Like I hang with this really rich girl sometimes when
I'm in LA like grew up rich. I think her
family's got a fucking castle somewhere. And I never really
see her tell you anything about her life because she
realizes it's so it's not part of her story. Like
everything she's experienced isn't exciting. Like when I told her

(57:25):
about the Beyonce and jay Z thing, She's like, oh yeah.
I'm like, well you met them before. She's like, yeah,
well I used to hang with the Rnall's when I
was a kid who own LVMA.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
And I'm like, okay if it's trying to know the bitch,
but like you know, so, I'm like, oh, I wonder
if it kind of shows that you don't really have much.
But what I appreciate is like people that can enjoy
with you, like The first person I called after the
Beyonce and jay Z night was Charlotta Magne over to
bed with his wife, who was eleven thirty at night.
Me and Alex are drunk in the street in parents.

(57:55):
I'm like, oh, I tell somebody, And he was so
excited and laughed and he's like now, I'm like, bruh.
The next time I see them one by name, but
they put it home the Bitch for Paris, and it's
just this cool, exciting milestone. But maybe I will get
to the place where it doesn't matter anymore. I don't know.
I hope not.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
No, no, no no. So now that you've traveled the world,
you own companies, you're flying your family out, What advice
would you give to someone that would even just in
my shoes? You know? What advice would you give to
someone that's playing hasn't fully taken off the ground yet

(58:34):
and they've been hovering for a long time.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I would say, thinking bigger than the biggest thing you're
thinking of. I think that we sell ourselves short a lot.
Whether it be I don't know, this is just made
me thinking right. Eating While Broke is currently a podcast,
it seems like next up is TV show that seems
like what that is? Right?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
But I also want to do touring, which eighty five
South has been like just do it, but he's like
hell no, And eighty five for South is like do
that shit?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Why does Allie say now.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
She thinks I need to spend more time growing my
audience like baby steps and then but I low key
secretly want to do ice cube in LA, I would.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Tell you for this piece of advice, then I would say,
you do it in the middle. You do one show.
You do one show in your hometown or where your
largest base of audience is, and that's LA, right assuming Yeah,
so it's like you do your LA show, you don't tour,
You do your LA show. You practice, you get your
biggest fan based there, you already have all your friends come.
It's probably where all the talent you know is. So

(59:38):
you do it right there in LA. After you do that,
then you kind of get your feet wet or this
space is semi big. Make a Patreon or invite your
top fans. Write fifteen fans, really and write fifteen fans,
have them sit and watch, laugh with you. Maybe put
the ingredients out there and be like this that's what

(01:00:00):
I got y'all gonna help me make this meal. Maybe
they just shout at you and they share stories with you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
When you, guys did your Patreon, what were you what
was your first Like, did you even think you would
make money when you first did the patreon?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
No, we make way too much on Patreon now. I
mean I'm sure like there you know, there's patreons bigger
than me. But like we did it before. I think
we were one of the first black popular podcasts that
we know on there, Like we had our first year
of year seven, I mean the first year of year seven,
and we only did it to make more money for
the studio. Mandy and I were like, this shit costing

(01:00:32):
too much. We ain't making no money. A friend of
mine was like, have you heard of l Chapo trap
House something like that, It's like a white podcast. I
was like no, He's like, they make like ninety ground Patreon.
You should.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
You guys were like, dude, du what's that right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
I mean, shit, we don't make ninety, but we do
make twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Get the hang out on Patreon mm hm, get the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
But to be honest, though, our Patreon, like we started
a high very early of people that really resonated with
Mandy and I because we were corporate girls talking about
and it was kind of the life that if you
didn't live it, you'd want to live it, or you
could see yourself living it like host stories while like
being overdraft and are you know, being at your desk whatever.
So we made Patreon. It was to get extra money

(01:01:11):
for filming. I remember a thousand dollars a month feeling perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Hell, yeah that's not I know that sounds small.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
So when it got higher, Mandy and I just started
spelling more of our personal lives on Patreon, and it
became like we were just talking to fans instead of
like doing a show. You know, like we have so
so many guests now that people that really fucked with
Mandy and Wheezy they want Patreon. Like a lot of
people enjoy those episodes more. I I love like a

(01:01:42):
better looking set, but I get it, Mandy and I'd
be on zoom, I'd be hungover shit. I think I
was still mollied out on one episode. I was like,
oh my god, you guys didn't sleep anyway, Like people
like that shit when you're very raw, and so we
offer that. So it's something different. But yeah, I wouldn't
write your closest fans if it's not Patreon right now,
figure out where you talk to them the most, have

(01:02:04):
them come and watch well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
I think this season is the most I've seen fans
reach out, which, by the way, I'm absolutely shocked. I'll
get a DM like please don't stop, please don't quit.
We love this s yeah, or like I promise you're
asking the questions that we want you and I'll be like,
thank you, because I for sure had a shitty day
today and I really want to jump off a bridge,

(01:02:25):
but that message just like literally, I know it's random,
but help them. Yeah, I'm like, you taketed the right time,
and I will respond that like, yo, the time. It
couldn't have been better, thank you for saving my life.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
With fans too, Like we look at other people's numbers
and comparison is a thief and joy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Oh, I definitely do. I'll be like, look at them,
but you know now I look at y'all, and I'll
be like, take notes. People's changed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
When we're in line to them, right, Like I remember
when car her daddy made the sixty thousand dollars or
sixty million, right, and I was like oh my god,
I'll never get me. I was saying shit like that.
I don't have that. I'm like this podcast makes how much?
Like why am I talking like this? You know? And
we really have to pour into ourselves better because we

(01:03:19):
always are looking at something else. I do it with
my body doing my hair shit, I was almost like,
oh my god, my hair is not rain different. The
got my hair, like thinking about all this little shit
that doesn't fucking matter, and it's like we need to
really learn how to be happy with ourselves because like,
I think social media has fucked me up. I'm getting

(01:03:49):
way better at it, but like body, hair, clothes and
success are all the things I see on Instagram and
think I'm not doing well enough with and this is
fucked up, but it did happen to me. I went
to solid Core, which is this like plate's ish cool
thing to do. It's in La Chicago, New York, Big Cities, Atlanta,

(01:04:10):
and there's a girl on Instagram I follow that. I
always thought she was like so fucking insanely hot. When
I was in the workout, she was right next to
me and I recognized her halfway through. She was really struggling.
And it's not like it's something to make fun of.
You're already working out. But I got in the car
and I thought, oh my god, I have I'm stronger
than I thought. I was right. I'm looking at this
girl all the time on my timeline, thinking she's the

(01:04:31):
baddest bitch in the world. And I had something like
she even said to me. I was like, damn bitch,
she was getting it right. We don't know each other,
and I was like, wow, there's something we all have
that someone else doesn't. So when you're looking and you're
thinking that, it's not shit me. I want kids so bad. Really, yes,
I would love to have kids like I would love
to have in mind over to you for a weekend.

(01:04:52):
Oh my mom would love to watch over. My mom
love taking somebody baby.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Oh really, Oh she's in LA. That's perfect because I
ain't got no family in I pay minute away.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Well, my mom will act like it's an inconvenience, but
she can't wait to do it. Let me watch your baby,
Colleen called me, and now I've got to watch this
damn baby. Now'll get in the house, baby prude. Anyway,
I'll talk to you later. Like she loves taking somebody's
problems on her kids or anything, and like, yeah, but
I think about that. I think. Uh. I was at
a friend's kids graduation, her daughter graduately needs her, and

(01:05:22):
I was like, like three people had asked me for
a picture when I was in an auditorium, and I
remember thinking like, I wonder if they think I'm like
living this cool ass like but somebody was like, damn,
you came from LA to be here. Someone said that
to me, and I was like, when I could like
die to be one of the parents in the front.
Oh wow, But you never know, right, like you there's
always something we all want. Yeah, I think we all

(01:05:43):
need that little drama in our lives to keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
You think so oh like the when you say drama,
like the need to want something more?

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Yeah, how are we going to be on an autopilot
if we have all we want? Like what do you want?

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I want this guy's limit. It's funny though, because I
used to always want like the marriage and the baby
because I felt like I was good at business and
then I just sucked at personal. But now that I
experienced marriage and the baby, I'm like, I think I'm
gonna stay in my business life because I suck at it.
It's just like, yo, you know what, I have to
chop it up to Like, it's just not my forte.
I don't know why I can't master my personal but

(01:06:17):
I could.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
It's tough. We all can't because it's not something you
can control.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Yeah, yeah, maybe that's it. Because I feel like in business,
like I will pivot the fuck if it's not working,
pivot again, pivot again. But then in my personal I'd
be like, oh, you went left. I don't even know what.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
To Say's tough. Money we can control, Like I feel
like I can make a million dollars easier than I
can find a good person to date. I mean, it's
fucked up to say that, but I really do believe that.
I feel like when it's things you can control, like
you can't control money. Let's say, like right, like there's
people out there that are working hard at fucking are
not getting there, but like you could possibly take up

(01:06:55):
another hustle to buy somewhere money.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
For all was taking pictures out of Oho Pizzeria on
the side because they would give me one hundred dollars
a night, okay for five hours, and I would just
take pictures, pictures, and I would flip them a little bit.
You know what I'm saying. The pictures of fifteen, but
i'd tell people with twenty Yeah, yeah, that's like finding
that hustle. I was on Craigslist looking for gig jobs.
That was a caddy girl one day. Like I told

(01:07:18):
you that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
But that's what I'm saying. Like, do you think now,
do you think entrepreneurs are like born out the womb
or do you think they could go to college and
then become an entrepreneur.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I don't think entrepreneurs are for everyone. Yeah, because I
think it's too exhausting. Yeah, Like I think working a
nine to five, I think the goal for me, before
realizing I wanted to be an entrepreneur, I wanted to
make two fifty at a corporate time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I'm still praying to hit that too fuch at a
corporate job. Oh, at a corporate that to me would.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Have made me not do anything else. Okay, because the
one seventy five was great. I was living in a
great apartment and traveling, but my parents needed help and
I was like, oh, I need more money for my parents.
If I had two fifty, that's money I could have
to help them and if I want to have a kid,
I can live in this money. But mind you in
New York. Yeah yeah, like two fifty in another city
might be a million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
My rent even then was twenty five d It's crazy, bro. Yeah,
But I say all that to say nine to fivers
are making a lot more money than entrepreneurs. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying. Entrepreneurs are out here really struggling.
It's tough. But I think it's because some people are
chasing a dream that they think they should do when
really that's not it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
How would they identify the dream that is it though,
and from the dream that isn't I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Think one if it feels like a passion, are you
happy doing it? Like? Are you doing it because you
actually love this? Like? Why do you love making? Eating?

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
While?

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
I just love great rags to riches stories, Like I
have some rich friends and they always tell me they
were like in jail somewhere or they were selling as somewhere,
And I'm like, wait, you and you live in the
seven thousand square foot mansion in La Oh, tell me more.
And I just love it. Like I would hang out
and I just love the stories. I'd be like okay,

(01:09:05):
but you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
And I would say then with your audience and feeling inspired.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
But I was definitely lucky because I felt like the
friends that I have, like if I'm like, Damn, this
bill was high, I'd be like, you wouldn't understand it,
be like try me. I'd be like a thousand bucks
to be like, Nope, that bill's high. You know, I
really and they'd be like, no, it's high, you know.
And so luckily I was fortunate to be with some
friends that really like that. I felt like, damn, you're

(01:09:30):
hanging out with me, Like if you and I hung out,
I would be lowkey geeked just because you have a
great personality, but I would also be lowkey geeked because
I'm like, I look up to you, like I definitely
admire you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
You feel like that with people sometimes where I'm like,
are we like we're peers? Right? No matter if maybe
like maybe my podcast has been going on longer than yours,
You're like, oh, that's what I'm gonna get, Like, it's
still peers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Well you're more than just a pot Like in my eyes,
well you and Mandy accomplished was great, But you gotta
think you're a beautiful, attractive woman in the entertainment industry.
I have sidebar conversations all the time. I'll leave a meeting,
I'll be like, this person wants to fuck, and my
friends will be like, how do you know, and be like, bro,
I've been in this game way too long. I can
tell by the questions the hints they want to fuck,

(01:10:14):
and then I gotta navigate that. So to be attractive woman, Okay,
then you're an entertainment. Then you're an entrepreneurs, then you're
handling all this business. Then you're sale. When I hear sales,
nothing excites me, you know how you get when I
hear a girl could sell, I'll be like, oh, this
is a it says, this is a real, real time,
you know. But so I look at someone like you
and I'm like, yeah, I would definitely be in awe

(01:10:36):
like you know, like you know geeks, and same with
my friends. Like I have my homie day Storm. I'll
hang out in his house or whatever. He literally will
only hang out when we work out, which sucks because
his workouts are absolutely terrifyingly terriblely hard workouts. Were Like,
if I want to have a talk with day Storm,
I'm like I'll be at your house have four to
work out, and it'll be the worst workout of the century,

(01:10:58):
you know, But I still look up to him, and
I'll still be like geeks like yo, I could walk
into your house or borrow your house for the weekend.
And but I, even though we're friends, I still look
up to you, and you're vulnerable. But they're the real
inspiration behind my show. They're realize stories and realize advice.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
And honestly sharing that to the world and then you
receiving that fan feedback and things like that, like having
the passion that making you feel good learning in the
middle of your job. That's how you know you keep going,
you know what I'm saying. But also I think the
largest mistake entrepreneurs make is if they have a regular
job or a steady gig, they leave it for the

(01:11:37):
passion before the passion flourishes. Yeah, and I didn't do that,
Like I was working eighty hours a week doing horrible
and you know, literally coming in with my suitcase to
the office, like, oh, I went to go see my parents,
but really I had a fucking four hundred seat show
that we fell down, and like that. Today is different
now it's double right and it feels great, but like, nah,

(01:11:57):
I had to do both. I think living in the
entertainment industry today is interesting because it could be anybody, right, Like,
influencers have really ruined fame? You think so? Yes, I
guess I could see that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
It's weird because I see, like I feel like they're
self made and they work very hard, like when you
look at the behind those scenes, they work hard. But
I definitely will say I don't know. I would like
to hear your perspective on it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
I think influencers ruined fame because not saying that they're talentless,
but content creation as a form of a talent. Like
if the Internet is gone, then where do you take
it and what do you do with it? You know,
I have a big influencer that reached out to me.

(01:12:44):
They're not going broke or anything like they're making like
maybe thirty fortieth posts, but they reached out to me
and we're like, I need you to have dinner with
me or some shit and influence me to do some
other shit. Because I realized this is like just what
if Instagram doesn't want me to do as anymore? What
if Instagram's advertisements for influencers, what if the hashtag goes away?
Like she was terrified, and it was when TikTok was

(01:13:05):
about to get banned or something, and I was like, damn.
I'm like, I don't know. Half of my naves are
off of higi ads. But she was right, like I
didn't do anything else. I've just been learning this one skill,
and that shit is tough because, like, I don't know,
I wouldn't want my kids to be an influencer. I
think it also inflates when I say they ruined fame,
like you have movie stars, actors, actresses, and even podcasters

(01:13:28):
big fame. To me, like, it's not real.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Well, I've seen people too that will get like ten
thousand followers and they all already switch up. I'm like, yo,
if your bank accounts still read zero, who gives a
fuck about some likes?

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
But the same shit is weird because the likes and
all this stuff makes you think you're better than you
are when there's so many more of you, So you
really have to find a thing that makes you different.
Like I'm gonna be honest, I follow so many girls
that are just hot and kind of look the same
because of their clothes, or their workouts or whatever. I
don't think I know their names. Really. No. I remember

(01:14:02):
sitting at Lucy and it's my favorite restaurant New York.
I always go there in the East Village and I
was looking at this girl and I tapped her and
I was like, do I know you? Do we have
a school together? Genuinely didn't know. I feel like I
know you, And she was like, oh, I'm an influencer.
I was like, maybe I follow you. What's your name?
Didn't ring a bell? Looked at it and I was like, damn,

(01:14:22):
I've been following this bitter a minute. But that's it.
You're not even connecting to the content. Yeah, because it's
just grid post after grid post ups or something something.
That's why people like just hilarious Drew Ski a Pretty
V they fucking stick out because we know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Yeah and they yeah, but those are also like I know. Well,
I'll say for Pretty V because we had her aunt,
she's she's also hard. She's like a hustler too. I
would say she's she's more of an entrepreneur than an influencer,
even though she started that way. You know, you could
feel the same with like Bi simone, but something.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
That they have, something that they do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
But I will I honestly say like, and it could
be just me vibed, but I would say almost ninety
percent of my guests have true integrity. There's somewhere I'll
be like after interview reraps, I'll be like, wow, I
called bullshit and I won't say who, but there was
a couple of episodes where my team I'll be like, damn,
that was a bullshit, meaning like they looked bigger than

(01:15:21):
what they were. And then when I got in, I
was like, you don't know your shit, you're a fake.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Maybe some people just get lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
They got lucky, or they didn't name drop like hey,
your baby mama helped you, or your mom helped you.
Why wouldn't you give them the credit that they deserved.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Get strange when people don't credit those that helped along
the way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
I think it's completely strange.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Do you know one of them?

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
By the way, if you're on my show and I
catch it, I won't say it in front of the guests,
but I will go me even the show raps, I'll
be like, I called bullshit. They left out somebody because
their story isn't adding up and I will literally you
could ask my crew, I will.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Be wait, it was mine, the sugar daddy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Your your story was as real as they get. But
you know, you know you could tell because they'll be
a missing gap. You know, they'll be like some part
of the story where you'd be like that that didn't
line up. There's something missing there. I can always tell
because I like, well, you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Know, sometimes the struggle isn't what people like to show,
right the highlight reels that they.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Need to show the struggle on this show. On this show,
you gotta tell me credit your wife.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
If you're not giving other people their flower, it never
takes from you. I was gonna say to you, Charlott
MANE makes me do that more than anyone like. It
makes me thank my team so much. Like I've never
seen anyone be so gracious towards those around him, even
when I pay him a compliment, just no one else
around Damn you kill this shit man. That was some
So I'm like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
I've never really I've seen Charlomagye one time. So I
literally saw him, was like, thank you so much for
everything you do for me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Have a good day. Wait, you just met him in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Yeah, that was it, and that's all I said was
thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
What every Christian famous person like normal and authentic? And
I think I made a joke on a podcast and
I tested it once. I was like, man like, they
were like, who do you think is someone that you've
met that's a celebrity that you expected to be different?
I was like, Charlomanne answers the phone every time. I

(01:17:18):
think it's very strange. Yeah, because you're so like he's
literally answered. I could hear him at the breakfast club.
What's up? He's monnies me, Like, just really wants to
make sure he's accessible to people that he cares about.
And I think that's what's inspired me to be a
really good leader and just all around good person when
it comes to people that have paved the way, because like,

(01:17:40):
we don't see that, we see a lot of I
I I, yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Well. Also, I think the cool thing about him is
that he has like all black woman team pretty much,
and he treats all those women great. Because I worked
for other people and with other people in the industry
and it ain't like that it's more of the boys club.
I see the boy's sting blessed and them and getting dirty.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
And Charlemagne is very much again an authentic person. Yeah,
Like I heard him on a I had a call
with him for something else, and the other person on
the other end of the call was very like, what's
the word I'm looking for, almost like a shell of
themselves trying to show you how great they are. Charlamagne
was in a T shirt in South Carolina, I think

(01:18:24):
visiting family, or maybe he was outside of his crib,
but he was like on a chair on a porch,
just looking like he was chilling, and everybody else is
suited up, and he's like, y'all are so lucky for
me to be on this call. Just I could tell
you that's what he's thinking. And he's so much of
himself and still giving you gems. And I was like, Wow,
he didn't even feel the need to like do it
up for some Hollywood people. Yeah, because he knows like this,

(01:18:45):
his brand is so raw, and I think we have
to be that way. We can't try to be this
person that we think other people would like, because they'll
smell it just like you did. And I'm saying people
smell that all day every day. You could be a
casualist that's in that YouTube that's like this person's a liar.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Yeah, people clock it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
And for you to know that as someone that's bringing
these people in, like, I think that says a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Yeah, Eventually we'll get to the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Space where there's like I can actually call bullshit on
the mic. I'm not there yet, I know, but there
have been a couple where I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Bull shit, what about you? Being like, there's gotta be.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
A oh I go in and you can tell because
they won't answer the question. And that's how I know
it's bullshit. I'll be like, Okay, you're just boy. I'll
ask seven different ways. I'm like, Okay, I call bullshit,
but I won't say it on the mic yet. I'm
not there yet.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Plus I guess I gotchast. They're like, oh, like be
there for the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Yeah. And then also like there's the uncomfortable space, you
know with our shows, like we dig into the vulnerability
a little bit deep, and I like to say to
everybody it's a safe space. Like if I think there's
something that you're going to say on our show that
I think is going to ruin your career or cancel
you do. You don't even have to send your publicist
or whoever over to like, oh my god, Colleen or

(01:20:06):
beg me, I'm going to remove it just on game.
I'm just you shared your story.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
I completely agree with you. I think that keeping those
moments like I've seen Megan James, I mean, I don't
want to talk too much shit. She's spent some money
about WTS Studio, but there's some clips where I'm like, WHOA, yeah,
you know, like I'm kind of surprised you invite someone
in your space to like do that mm hm. And

(01:20:32):
she's just sticking out of my mind right now. I'm
not saying she's like a terrible person, but it's a
it's a style interviewing that works for her. Maybe she's
on more streams than almost who knows, but like, I
don't know if I could do it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
That's how I feel about, honestly, like Jason Lee, to
be honest, I feel like some of the stuff he'd
be doing, I'll be like, well maybe, And I have
this conversation with my little brother all the time, and
I'm always like, ego, maybe maybe I should sell out,
Like because I look at such as such kind of
like how you look at social media, like look at
this person. It's like they're really honestly, like they don't
give a fuck about anybody's career, you know, and then
they Jason Lee.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
At Charlemagne back in the day, I'm Magan James. I
think you know what you're getting when you go on
the door. Yeah, And I think people almost it's like
ze Way. People would say, how the fuck does anyone
keep going on there?

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Like, you know, I don't know what ze Way is, but.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
You don't know what she's the black girl that had
the show on Showtime where she would ask people questions
and like should Julia Fox. Charlemagne was a guest on there.
She was her famous one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
But what was she ask them?

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
She would just ask them questions that would make them
look bad. Oh really, Like she showed Charlemgne a diagram
and had them point out someone she was like, oh
so you think that white people are superior type shit?
Oh okay, But like it's like she was one of
those and I think like people prepare themselves for those
funny Marco. I don't know how people say.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
What that nerves is that the one is where the
guy just says like insulting things or something kind of yeah,
cause I saw that show and I was like, look,
I just love that show period.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Like it's content.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Yeah, it's content is very good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
I think maybe it's just content that I can't make.
But you know, it's hard for me to push unless
I think something's wrong, like I do. Man on the
Street for my TV show a lot. Yesterday, this guy
talked about how he had met a girl to work
or do something, and I was like, he's black. Oh
what kind of girls are dating? He's like, I prefer white.
And then I can see the camera crewisers in the back,

(01:22:24):
Like I really He was like, yeah, I just updated
a black girl and they're really crazy. I was like, okay,
so have you ever met a Karen? Were like, well,
I don't think that type of way. Oh, but there
are crazy white women.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
But basically right now, my future ex husband he loves
white women. But his thing is that black women's standards
are are higher or like, they're not as easy as
a white girl, and so he lives for the white girls.
He lives for the white girls.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Literally only cheated on me with white women to the
point that I was like, yeah, you're dating me, so
your mom is happy. Yeah, And then I realized, oh,
maybe I was just light.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Skinning up, Like, do you This is completely random, but
I have a pet peeve about dating a guy that
only dates mixed girls. I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
I haven't missed.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
I feel like you haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Only I didn't know, Like you don't know until.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
You don't know, but when you find I know. For me,
I just feel like there's a little bit of colorism
issues there, Like dudes that are like I only like
light skin I'm like, all right, I don't know, that's weird.
But I started to think when my ex husband my
future that maybe he maybe he genuinely just likes white
girls and he's just saying that as like a cover up. No,

(01:23:38):
I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
He's like, hey, she light white in a different light, Yeah, exactly,
like on some real shit. I think it's kind of
scary because you really have to clock them as light
skinn people. You gotta clock them as mixed girls like
this shit is not cute for like a man that
you're dating to only date. I had a guy telling
me once that I was acting dark skin He told

(01:24:00):
me it was crazy that my hair wasn't super curly
like most mixed girls. Wow, And he was like, you
talk different. Wow. Yeah I don't like that round.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Yeah I don't. I won't. I won't. Well right now,
thank god, I'm like one hundred percent focused on not dating,
which is this is the longest I've ever been seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
That's when they be coming too. I'll be trying to
act like I'm not focused on dating. I'll walk in
the club and be like, I'm not looking for anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
I like how you be positioned in it too.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
I want to date so bad, man, but it's it's tough,
and honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
How do you juggle a breakup with a with a business. Honestly,
I'm terrible. If it wasn't for my high school friends
scooping me off the floor behind closed doors. Girl, he's gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Be okay, you know what I'm saying, Like, I have responsibilities,
like hate to get more of it. But the only
things that have kept me from killing myself is my
dog and my team. And it's not because they're encouraging
me to stay, you know. And it's like, hey, we
need you to be alive so we can make money.
But like, literally I think about them and I'm like
one of the people that worked for me I recently
found out used to be homeless and thanks me all

(01:25:06):
the time for being able to do things for their
mother now and like it's fucking wild. I get random
texts from a lot of our staff at two in
the morning, love working with you, and I'm like, all
these niggas is wrong. It's such a good feeling. But
I think about that. I think about that when I'm
getting down on myself, like how dare you? Yeah, you
know what I mean, Like, you are helping all of
these people. I'm gonna leave my parents alone in the world.

(01:25:28):
And when I tell you, my dog no bullshit. I
was just being trauma queen one day. I was like,
I don't want to be here anymore. And I looked
at her. I was like, who's gonna feed me up
with those little things? Like really got to bring you back.
But when running those businesses, I'm sure for people that
are listening that only have themselves, you probably feel like, well,
who do I fight for? You? Fight for your future self?

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Right? Everything is momentary. When you're broke, it's momentary. Sometimes
when you get in a big check, it might be momentary.
Like everything is kind of momentary. It's just that feeling
that will last for a little bit, as strong emotions
only for a little bit, even when you're crazy in love.
It just kind of lasts for a period of time.
And I think that when we're down, we feel like
it's the end. But you've gotta have faith in your

(01:26:11):
future self.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Yeah, I like that. I'm a personally remember that. No,
now that I have Zariyah, my daughter, I'm like, yo,
if you leave and you the number one gangst the
soldier for her, ain't nobody gonna go harder for ze
than you? Then then what's she gonna have? And I'm like, shit,
I guess, I guess that's it. You know what I'm saying.

(01:26:35):
But I do think too though. Sometimes when you are
having a bad day and you have all these responsibilities,
I'll be like, well, how can I go? I got
like sixteen things planned next week that I have to
get done. I can't even take the one day off.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
This is why they said, they all un there say
this thing about how you have to have something to
look forward to week. Month, No, I think next days,
week or month. I can't remember what it is, but
it's basic so that you don't get to where you
feel like you have nothing. There has to be something
on the calendar, whether it be a workout, whether it

(01:27:07):
be a nail, something you scheduled for yourself. Even if
it's not a trip, it's dinner at a cool place.
You gotta have something because if you don't have that,
then you feel hopeless, like we need to have those things.
My mother actually gets like that. My mom's in her seventies.
She gets so bored.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
I can't wait to bring the riots to your mom.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Oh my god, babying to do bad. She does it
with random people in like restaurants, especially if they're like
black and cool. She just be looking at the baby.
She won't talk either. She'll just start to do this
while the mom's eating it's fine, and then keep talking
to me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
And I'm like, oh, weezy, it was such a good
time having you that I hope that now that you're
in LA, or when you pop in LA, you hit
me up. Please do and hopefully you know if you
pass a rich dude and you want to pull me
to my first day school, I want to experience. I've

(01:28:00):
never done it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Girl, go and seek an arrangement.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
I will. I'm serious.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
I want to chuggar Daudy website.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
I want to. I'm gonna check it out and I'm
gonna be texting you girl. You would not.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Believe it at Financial Domination.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Financial Domination, you got.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
To make people feel like shit online and they just
send you money for doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Really, I'm gonna I'm gonna look up all these pay pigs.
You're gonna pay picks. But thank you for taking time
out of be a crazy schedule to come visit and
cook for me before we close out? Can you tell
everybody all the different assets that you have and how
to keep up with you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Yeah, I'm on tour right now, Horrible Decisions. This is
our final tours, the climax. We're not breaking up. We
just really are like touring is a lot of work.
Can't do it. So check us out on herr hive
dot com and Horrible Decisions visit. If you're an up
and coming podcaster, have a studio in New York and LA.
It's super affordable. You can literally record for sixty bucks
if you wanted to four a thousand if you're rich.

(01:29:00):
And my TV show Sex, I was confused. Stream that
motherfucker because that's the place that got the most mouthed
to be so.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Really just literally sit in dreaming. Not really, No, I
want to watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
It's really fun.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
Yeah, I'm definitely gonna watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
It's a cute show. I go to a brothel this season.
It's not out yet, but I've become a processing really.
Oh yeah, I sat down with a client.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Oh, I'm definitely watching it was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
My favorite episode of all time on there was when
my mom did phone sex. That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
I feel like I would be greatest phone sex by.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
The way, maybe you would, it's I would.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
I would be phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Just so I covered the business that does it. She
teaches women how to keep them on the phone.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
And I was in a celibate relationship, so I will say.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
I just got out of a simular relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Really, I hated it, and I absolutely hated it. I
hundred and then I got with my husband, who was
like the opposite, just a superho and I was like,
this is the best. But it came out of a
celibate relationship and ran right to the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Oh no, yeah, you need a good three times a week.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
Yeah, But thank y'all for tuning in to another episode
of Eating While broke, I'm your girl, Colleen, and this
is weezy Bye, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
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