ROCCSTAR - Ghetto Casserole - Eating While Broke

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have very
special guest. Grammy Award winning producer sold over fifty million records,
is probably over records. So rock Star producer rock Star

(00:33):
is in the building.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
And self made? Self made, self made, self made to
the max, to the max slept on floors. I've heard,
I've heard the rumors. I'm so excited to have you
in the building. And you're gonna have to feed me,
of course, so what do you what are you gonna
feed me?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
We're doing well my broke dish. Really this should be
Eating while uh broke as hell if you want to
add that as hell, because I was the ass hell park.
It's unbelievable. But right now, this dish ray here is
called ghetto cast role and it was the chicken top
ramen mixed in with a turkey burger burger that I

(01:17):
seasoned up, chopped up, put into the situation, mixed up
and just changed the world with that guy me I'm
talking about that had me full for you know, I'm
talking about the whole day that pretty much was it
to the point where people just started requesting, let me
get some ghetto.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Okay, oh you really named it that. That was like
the coin name that you gave it back. I've never
had ghetto cast role. I'm very I'm a hater of
Ramen because we've taped over one hundred and twenty episodes
and everybody, and I say even people be like I
thought she hated ram I'm like, I can only block
Ramen so much in a broke show.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
You know, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
But when I see a Ramen with a flair, I
really believe that the individual was probably, like you said,
broke as hell. Yeah, you know, you had it so
many times that you had to up it. Go ahead,
start off popping it off. And while you're in this
kitchen cooking, I want you to take me back to
what was going on when you was broke as hell?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Okay, well, I mean there's just so many years of
being broke as hell. Like, which part of being broke
as hell did you want to have the conversation about,
because you know, I mean, I come from absolutely nothing,
so I was broke as hell the whole time.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Where are you from originally?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
So I'm from like Los Angeles of course. So California.
But I've lived all over South Central, all over Inglewood,
all the trash this I'm like, yeah, but first you
gotta like you gotta. If you don't do that, it

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don't even taste the same. But we're gonna put that
over there, because that's what that's gonna be at. I
lived all over South Central, Inglewood and all over LA
everywhere in La all you know what I mean, and
then also all over the valley too, you know what
I mean. So yeah, yeah until that. My parents were

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married until I was about twelve and then they split.
So right when I turned into a teenager and started
going outside, it was yeah, I was dolo, okay.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
And then did you also always know you were going
to get into music?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
You know? Nah? Not really. I thought I was going
to be an actor, which I ended up being on
love and hip hop and different stuff. It's kind of
a version of acting. But I started off, you know,
coming out, you know, and like my my, my mom
put me into acting and I was the stand up
comedy champion at Lave Factory for like three years with

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Jamie Massada. So Jamie Masada, which was the left he
put me in and I was young, but I was
so good that him, Paul Rodriguez and all of them
put me into the adult camp and I was like ten,
so ten eleven, twelve, ten eleven, twelve, and like yeah,

(04:24):
the beginning of thirteen, I was, I was, I was
doing the stand up comedy. Okay, he as a kid,
and then that got me into like some national commercials
and a couple of teacher Like I start figuring out
like dang, what's a Coogan account? And obviously being broke
as hell. My parents were also broke as hell, so
that Cougan account got cooganed, that got cooked.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I thought that all that money was supposed to protect it.
It is supposed to.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, I didn't work because my dad had the same
name as me, so he just absolutely mangled wapped my account.
By time, whatever I had built was whenever I had built,
it was saram bag. So I did all that work,
but it was still a good experience, you know what
I mean. So, yeah, there's a rap.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah it was it a shocker that you lost the
money or did you kind of know it was going
to disappear?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Well? I know, I knew. I knew that I came
from the type of appearance like I know what it was.
You know what I'm saying. You know, when you grow
up and you like, I'm probably not gonna never see
this money. By the time I get to this money now,
I was hustling. I was already out in the streets
hustling young. So like even when I was done out
and I just was out there hustling dolo to the
point where by the time I was like fourteen fifteen,

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I was like making so much money just doing different
whatever I was doing. And then I was giving my
mom money, and like they were separate. So I get
my mom here, take some bands, and she like, how
you got bands in you? Fourteen fifteen? And I'm handing
her money. So I was like it was a little

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weird because I always was a hustler. I get straight
to it. However, it go like ever since I was young,
I was selling candy or selling this. You know, I
go to ninety nine cent stores, go home, go to
the school, sell sugar, Daddy, sell the sell that. So
I was always doing something. I was always hustling. I'm
the hustler, Like you come get me when it's time
to hustle. We don't figure it out. Thus, years later,

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obviously multiple companies, and but but it came from you know,
absolutely nothing. So but for like I I was doing
good on the hustle, and then I started getting kicked
out of the schools that I was hustling in, so
then my money started dropping back down. Whatever, And there

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I was, I was, I was. I was cooking the
ninety nine cent store. However that was happening different situations.
Said I was just going viral when be in here
just saying I was doing anything. But we was doing
all kinds of stuff. Then I get the bread, I
get the can't do whatever situation was, and then we'd
go run it up, run it up, run it up.
However that happened, and then and I'd be selling it. It

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to be all profits, so I'd be making like one
hundred something a day. Then I started baking. I'm like, damn,
when I'm thinking about all the things I'm talking about hustling,
this shit kind of self incriminated. When I started thinking
about all this stuff I was doing, liked, am I
supposed to break that down? Just know I was, because
I was, I'm like, damgn, I started. I'm like, by
the time I'm done, y'all be like, dangn we should

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probably cut that out because I was doing all kinds
of I was hustling, I was running plays, I was
in licks. I was doing all kinds of stuff. And
we don't want to go through all that. Don't even
tell aboutself, but I was. It was It was unusual.
When I got sixteen, I was out the house, like
my mom. They just I was moving around so much.

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They was like, you want to be grown. Shit hit
the streets. So I was sleeping in the car. I
bought it myself a car, start sleeping in a car.
Like sixteen, I was hustling nobody. My mom and them
didn't even know I had any talent besides the you know, accomy. Yeah,
because my sister, she was a singer and she like
the first American idol, and so she they was on
whatever she was on. I was just in the cut.

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Like I mean, obviously the way I look, I might
have cut have been a supermodel or something. But if
they wasn't thinking about that, it was like.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Whatever the hell, Like your parents attention switched to her because.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Oh it's been I switched. It was always her. Yeah,
she was always like the one, and then she's super dope.
That's my like that, that's my heart. She was always
like just super anointed singing wise, and so she always
had opportunities and different things going on. And yeah, I
just so should I start cooking? Oh yeah, you gotta

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dump that in. But then we gotta get the season
and so anyway you gotta throw a little season and
so on there, because it ain't never been a black
dish without seasoning.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
No, no, I'm about to.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Say, what is this we're talking about? Oh but what
was I saying?

Speaker 1 (09:00):
You were talking about your sister was annoyed?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Oh? Yeah, she was doing her thing right. She was.
She was winning, She had like she she was doing
a lot of she was doing amazing. She was winning.
She won like I think of three hundred thousand dollars
on one show and another. She's like her voice's next level,
always been. And so they just was kind of on
whatever she was on.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
And it was just the two of y'all. As far
as family, I got four four siblings.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, but that's yeah, yeah, that's the gang. But yeah,
you know they ain't. Nobody thought I was doing They
thought I was the fuck up. They like this nigga
is failing every class you know what I'm saying. They
like outside in the streets, he just they just knocked
this nigga out. He just went to jail. And then
we heard these industry it's all kind of shit. I'm
doing all kind of stuff when I was younger, so

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they like, dang, they like he he ain't dot. So
nobody had faith in me. But you know, you know,
I was kind of like always very good or a
master at whatever it was I did. So, like the
crump movement was heavy, so we were like the pioneers.

(10:12):
I was like the main one of the main people
out here who was in the mix like and kind
of created that frequency. So I was like we were dancing,
and dancing got me in a lot of different rooms too,
just because I was always so good like flipping, tumbling,
everything that just was super vicious at dancing. So you know,
coming from Tommy to Clown into the crump movement and

(10:34):
then it being you know, that's when b too, that's
when like you got served in that type of stuff.
It was just the biggest thing on earth to know
how to crump, to know how to so I was
like in the front of that. So when I was
out in the streets, Da Dad, I'd be doing that.
I'll be doing smack DVD rat battles. That was another thing.
Like my bar game was always crazy. You know what

(10:55):
I'm saying. I was smack DVD rat battles. I was
running around with like Shug and them type of people
early when I was fifteen, you know what I mean.
Run He had me battling it. I was in the
mix early, super early. And then you know, I just
start honing in on everything and I just took it
to the next level. I don't know it started there.
And then one thing I've always done is been real

(11:17):
tapped in with God, like he saved me. I think
that's because I would have got mangled to a bunch
of them times. But He saved me so many times
just with I felt a lot of grace and favor
and situations because the people around me was getting molly wopped.
I'm talking about I'm telling you they was getting molly wopped.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
So you're so sixteen seventeen. So you're sixteen seventeen. What
is going on in the So you're doing the dancing.
You went from comedy slash hustling to dancing.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah. I was always dancing even when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
There and you're still struggling. You're still like homeless, kind
of sleeping in.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Cars, yep, messed up, yep, running the doing a whole
bunch of nothing. Go from couch to couch to car.
And then my car broke down on me one night,
actually because I was trying to stay warm. I was
sleeping the car and I was trying to you know,
when you be sleeping the car and then you're like, damn,
it's a cold ass night. You try and hit the
gas to like, I was so sleepy from whatever it

(12:19):
was I was doing that I had fell asleep up
under this little thing and I had hit the gas
and I was trying to warm up the car, and
I fell asleep with the car with my foot on
the gas, and I woke up in exhaust, like the
whole car was in exhaust fumes, and the engine was
just rocking left and right. Whoa, and I'm like dang,

(12:39):
and somebody hit my window like boom boom, like yo,
get out the car, bro get out the car, and
so I jumped out. He like, bro, you just stayed
in that car. You was gonna die. The car was
going to explode. Are you crazy? Like what do you
got going up? And so that was a moment where
I ended up having to, you know, like call my
I think I called my dad and he lived in
San Diego the time, and I was like, yo, like,

(13:03):
I know, I know, y'all ain't the ones. You know
what I'm saying. I know I don't mess with y'all
on this, that and the third like that, But I'm
gonna have to It's either that or I'm gonna app
I'm gonna like, I'm out the car now, so I'm
gonna be on the street. So it's either that or
I'm gonna be I'm about to have to go. I'm
about to have to go level up like I was going.

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It was gonna turn into something else. I was gonna
it was gonna go from the car to a next level.
I was gonna go to the next level ship. So
I'm like, I'm just telling you, like early why this
is gonna be. So he was like all right, man
like man like, my my wife is this and it's
just come whatever. And then I went to San Diego.

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And from when I got to San Diego, I stayed
there for a little bit like six months and then
I was like, yo, let's get back to it. So
I went back to it. But you know, I skipped
you know who I skipped. When I was in high school,
I used to stay on my boy, Ruben Cannon's couch,
which is Nick Cannon's younger brother, and so I had

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that was my best friend, Ruben and his brother Nick Cannon,
and so he was getting all that, Like Nick would
just put them up because they came to and so
they had little apartment in the middle of Hollywood, was
run down, but all of us it was like seven
of us in one bedroom. It was all in there.
But Ruben really looked out for me when I was
younger too, like just he was a solid. That was

(14:27):
one of my solid hommies. But Ruben Cannon, Ruben Cannon
is one of the ones I can't. I don't know
about everybody else, but Ruben that's.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
One of the ones. But yeah, one of my favorites
by the way, personally, yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
He's the one that's my brother like for him different.
So like you know, I always like super appreciated when
anybody did anything for me, because nobody did nothing for me.
So we can, you know, let me go and you
gotta get to it. I don't know if y'all can
see this, but you gotta throw that on there. It
ain't even you gotta get it well because that's where

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the flavors start acting different, because you know, when you
get to cooking stuff, it be I'm just telling you
how my ghetto care thro I was doing something else.
It was a different conversation. What was what was we
said you.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Was talking about before you ended up in San Diego.
You was staying with Reuben.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, all was staying with Ruby yup, yep yep as
a young and I was. I was messed up early.
So he was looking at when I was like fourteen.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
How did y'all know each other? You guys? Wood? Okay?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, Hollywood High and so you know, I went to
performing arts schools because my mom and them. That's one
thing I could be thankful for my mom and then
put me in performing arts schools, which opened me up
to plays, musicals, choir classes. So like most niggas in
the hoods going to school, revelopment, they choir class was

(15:48):
a fade in the bathroom. My my, I'm just saying
like that's where niggas day was you going to Dorsea.
You going to Chris, Are you going to you know
what I'm saying, different joints. I was like the Hamilton's,
the Hollywoods. It was still wicked. We'd be getting it.
It'd be riots and aughty, we'd be getting in this.
But at the same time, I was like, it was
weird because you be in choir class with other gang

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members and others, you know, and we in quire classes
quare clabs, but we really creating food blown everything, Like
it's crazy because creation is creation for what you chose
to do. If you're a creator and you next level,
then you're gonna create on that level. So and we're
always in competition.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
So so when you're in these classes with other gang
members or rival gangs. Everybody was getting along during choir
and all that.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, I mean because in school, it's like it's school,
you know what I mean, You get into situations and
you know, back then it was kind of like there
was a green light on the Blacks from the eighteens
at the time, So it was all kind of stuff
going on. So we kind of was sticking together and
everybody was just in the mix. It was because it
was all kind of it was that's a long story.
But anyway, you know, it was it was a lot.

(16:57):
It was a lot going on. It was a lot
of war work, but in terms of school, like dance,
like choir, like different things that we was doing. Yeah,
that was that was. Yeah, we was. We was in
there going viral. Okay, yeah, we was in that going viral.
I'm gonna we almost done with this. Ain't gonna lie. Okay,
they ain't never done.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
That's good because I'm hungry.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
No, it's actually crazy.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Now you come back from San Diego. Yep, fast tracking
now back to so you go back from San Diego.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
You're trying to figure out, well, where did you get
rid of? Yeah? I'm like where is that? What? Yeah?
I told you figure.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
I love hearing the story because you have these extra
I want to say, adjectives.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Is that the right word? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Okay, yeah, because it's action packed.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
You know what I'm saying. I was going through a lot,
like I didn't. You know when you when you when
you coming from nothing. And this is why I always
am with people who came from nothing, because we understand
each other on a level that's just a little different.
But I also running corporate of the highest level. But
I also run in the lowest level because at the
end of the day, it's like when you come from

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having no other option, it's serious. Yeah, I know, you
know what I'm saying. It's like, just because somebody's in
a higher neighborhood don't mean that they don't got no
option but to run the play either. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. That's why you got white collar crimes,
and that's why you got other Don't think it's just
all about oh, because he got a rag on, he
hard like, No, it's a lot of people come from nothing,

(18:27):
even to Brazil favelas, to wherever you go. It's hoods,
it's motherfuckers that's willing to go to the roof wherever
you go. So I understood that early and I always
related to whoever was should like what you want. But
the smart hustlers, I hate dumb hustlers. I never hustled dumb.
I would have been locked up.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Can you break down a dumb hustler for me?

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, A dumb hustler is A dumb hustler is A
dumb hustler is basically somebody who is always just hustling backwards.
Like if you in and out of jail all day.
You're hustling backwards, like your hustle is not planned out,
Like where's your execution? Every last every last person around

(19:12):
me been to prison, been to this, been to that, right,
every last person around me been to prison like all
my family, my brother did thirteen years, my other brother.
Everybody's been. But at the end of the day, you
know what I'm saying, it's about like dang, like they
all got the same story, Like damn, I should have
did that different. So if you're going to continue to

(19:34):
do the same thing over and over and over and
over and over, I need to drain this ship. Here.
We're gonna figure out this one.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
We have. We have a way to drain it can well.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Cut no, but no, we don't even need to. I'm
not just this guy to be keen.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Did with what if that splash? Is that gonna splash
that you?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Nah? Hell no, I'm doing drinking.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Similarly, that's how you know you self made right.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
There right there, right there. We don't real quick. Yeah,
I ain't worried about that, but you know this needs
to be cleaned anyway eventually.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
But you didn't put the seasonings in there.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, I know it's about you.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Okay, let's not micro manage your cooking.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
No, yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why I ford
it out because I don't be liking the season.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
And to be talking about yeah, yeah, so that's what
I do at my house.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, I just kind of what's his name it was?
When you drop that in there, I should have had
you do the I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
You needed help in the kitchen?

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Me, Hell no, I don't need no help. I'll shoot me.
I ain't look, I'll tell you call me.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
I should have went to the man. I should have
went to culinary art school. Just your whole it's all
cut and stuff going on. You throw this in there
right there, you feel look at this.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
See I envisioned ghetto cast roles to be something different,
did you?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
This is the positive It looks.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
It looks really fancy.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
No, I'm telling you, I used to cut up the
turkey burger and throw this into that. If you eat
that with that, you feel to be like this dude,
rock did that? And then don't be using my recipe
at home, because.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
That's the whole point using this, and they're going to
be they're going to be judging your recipe.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
This way because they wanted to do with this. I'm
talking about what had met. You know what I'm saying,
I've been doing this as niggas were drinking similar looks. Yeah,
I'm telling you. And then for me, I'm a spice
idter threw some mohat sauce on top and did it up.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Does it look this plated like this?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
This? Well?

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Does what look like does whenever you did it? Did
it look like this when you would play it?

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I cut it up sometimes, but yeah,
does it look well? It looked fancy.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
It looked kind of fancy.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
If you.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
I think if you added like a little bit of
greenery or vegetable to it would have looked really fast.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Like you're really trying to break down my looks a little.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
It looks nice. Okay, it's kind of fun. I haven't
sold millions of records. You know what I'm saying. You
never know.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
For me, this is listen, this is doing something. You
gotta break down to what's his name into the west
that you ain't got a knife if you break down
a little piece.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Wait a minute, hold up, yeah, we need a knife
for your cooking.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Oh my mama, little it's kind of crazy. I didn't
want to do too much, but I didn't want to
do too little. You know what I'm saying. When you
do that, and you do that with that, and you
just throw a little turkey up in there, look at it.
I love that. Yeah, that's like something different because we
didn't You didn't have time to get all the pasta

(22:43):
and this and that and the third this was already
its own made pasta. She was going on, m it's
actually kind of crazy, right, it's.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Good and you know what, you're using that meat really well.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
What I'm trying to explain, I was trying to tell
I don't even be like, I don't even want to
tell nobody when I started telling people.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Stuffy little soft, I don't like that, but I ain't
gonna lie I was talking too much.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
You seasoned that meat like something's going on.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
You seasoned it. What I'm trying to that it's good hunt.
That's what I'm trying to explain there, trying.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
To tell you it's th season. I'm telling you this
right here. You was eating this after you did whatever
you did and came back to this. That's what I'm
trying to tell you you thought you went to Ruth Cress.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I'm not gonna lie. You seasoned very well, that's.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
What I'm telling you. You thought I went to you
thought you went to Ruth Chris, but you went to
Rocks Crest. I don't know that that was crazy. I
ain't gonna lie that was nuts. But the punchline is
the punch you are Holman. Yeah, I just came from

(24:03):
eating That was the problem. To eat my whole wasn't
not right now it's gonna be unusual.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
I just want what did you eat before this?

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I just came from ruth Crest. We just came from
Ruth Christ That's the crazy part. I was like, damn,
let's just go get some steak into and then it
Now I got steak and all kind of his bomb. No, huh,
I'm telling you, I know my own ship. That's what
I'm saying. I'm mad. I'm not that hungry because it's
been going too far.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Is that you went from Ruth Chris to eating this.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
That's what I'm screaming. But it's the same program. Actually,
I like mine better.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Really, man, what.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
When I get to season some of that stuff be bland.
I'll be paying five hundred dollars for something bland, just
for the look. You know what.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
You're missing out because this this turkey burger is kind
of doing something. It's doing something like like I feel better, That's.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
What I'm saying. And then this one right here is
even more seasons than that one. That's the crazy, because
I could smell it. I know what happened off the
way that the edges is cout. I'm like, oh, like
if I had to pick, and then I had to
pick for myself, I had to pick that one, right.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Maybe the other side is like that.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
No, get a corner, get a corner of that, and
see what happens if you get that right already? Be like,
what is that corner?

Speaker 1 (25:20):
This one looks more juicy.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
That's what I'm telling you you. I didn't even mean
to do you like that, but I thought I was
gonna be able to get all so stuffed. Yep mm hmm. Yeah,
that's what I'm yelling. That's what I'm telling you. Something
else going on over here anyway. You know what you

(25:43):
can That's what I'm explaining. I'm gonna put together when
I can put together, When I can put it together.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
What was the last time you had this, I ain't.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Made this in probably fifteen years. Fifteen years. This was like,
this was a struggle meal.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
If we left off at seventy, yeah, seventeen, all right,
we're getting close to you becoming rich.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, mam, we're getting there somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. I touched
my first million at like twenty one. Oh am, I
we're here now, okay, yeah, but I touched my first
million like twenty one.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
I'm not skipping steps because your story is fun. So seventeen, yep,
you moved from San Diego.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, I'm back and I'm back on the block. I'm
back around here and I'm figuring it out pretty much.
So like eighteen I had eighteen, I had bumped into
an investor. First of all, I was I was writing,
like I was battle rapping and doing all that, and

(26:53):
I was so popular with dance and I was getting
a lot of popularity with dance in my space in
San Diego. I had dropped the record called bat Box
on my space, and when I tell you, it was
the most popular. So I had like a million something blades.
It was the most popular song, and I said, dang,
these people really like my music. This is crazy. And
so I was getting so much not that people were

(27:14):
dming me like yo, bro, that's fire, Like yo, bro,
what's up? So basically this investor had DM me like yo,
I got no Actually sorry, Mike Post. You know Mike
Post he created Law and Order, the Law and Order Tell,
the Lawn Order theme song, and all the music for
Law and Order. He gets paid every three seconds. He's ridiculous.

(27:36):
So so Mike Post is like yo, like my other
boy was actually at Mike's studio. He's like, yo, you
should sit down on him. So I came over there.
They gave me like like it was like yo, go ahead,
like play what you got. I played it. I did
like a whole performance thing Da da da, and it
was like yo, like you're the next. There was no
Drake obviously, there was just maybe a Chris, but there

(27:58):
was no rapping, singing dance. Wasn't They like yo, like
you next up? Like this is crazy, like what you need?
Matter of fact. So he had an SSL studio with
like other rooms. He was like listen, anytime, use my studio.
You're good. So for me going you know, in everybody
closet to record you know what I'm saying. The bathrooms,
and I'm recording the most random places in the hood,

(28:18):
just like wherever you got a mic set it up. Like,
so going from there to an SSL recording studio was
a It just was a different frequency. So I'm like,
because of my environment, I have to now adapt to
this level of music. So that SSL made me change
the way I approached records because I'm like, let me

(28:39):
think a little harder now, you know what I'm saying.
So I'm doing that this and the third, and I'm
writing crazy records and I'm rapping. I'm doing all this stuff.
I was with this dude n In Kira from London,
which is which was my main producer. I actually assigned
a production deal with him and Kira early was like
he was a family friend from from my mom from

(29:00):
way back, but he's from London, so his sound was European.
He had like done Kylie Minogue and all these other people,
so he was like, yo, rock, this is how we
gonna approach it. It was always like some big sound
in European, worldwide stuff. And then I'm like okay, and
then he was like, yo, there's this group called Lexington Bridge.
The're number one in Germany. I'm gonna put you on

(29:22):
there with them. So he put me in with this
group and I ended up doing a verse and ended
up having a number one record in Germany with these.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Kids, You're doing a versus and rapping right, rapping, And
I was like eighteen.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
So I'm like, dang, I'm sitting there and I'm going crazy.
I'm like, this is nuts. This is the first time
I ever But I didn't know what that meant. I
just like that.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
And then so from there, like now, when you have
the number one record, are you making money or.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
You just know that you have I just know I
got number on rad I didn't even know what it
means to have a number one record. I'm like nineteen
right there in eighteen ninety. So then Tim and Bob, right,
you know Tim and Bob. Tim and Bob like legendary
producers like Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis like super like
my real film, now my next level brothers. These families different,

(30:09):
But back then there was Tim and Bob. They created
Bobby Volentino that they voice the me in Evolution and
brought out to me in case and everybody from beyond
they had it was like everything. So Dad came around
and they were using my sister actually to do back
all Jennifer Lopez's backgrounds at the time, and so one day,

(30:31):
you know, my sister always was like my sister loved me,
so she's always like yo, like I'm over here, da
da da. And I came to drop her off something
at the studio and she's like, oh, this is my
brother and they're like, damn, bro, you look kind of dope.
You look out like a look like what you do?
And I'm like, yo, rap da da da, And so
I pressed play on something. They like, what the yo, man,
what's up with here? So Tim and Bob set up

(30:53):
a session. I actually got in the booth and while
I was in the booth, he's like, yo, can you
test the mic because Bobby Valentino for the comminges the mic.
And so I started like singing or whatever, just to
try and get whatever frequency they were trying to go.
What even thinking about it, They was like, bro, your
voice is dope. What the do you know how to write?
So they forced me into writing like records. It was
weird like at the time, like yo, just start yo,

(31:14):
just start trying to write some stuff, and like two
or three sessions later, I had already wrote like a
hit and they're like, dude, this is like you're a writer,
you're a singer, You're a and I'm like, dang, I
just was transitioning into thing. I was morphing in the
difference right away. I'm like, damn, am I singer? Am
I writer? Because I was always rapping, battle rapping, hardcore always,
and then so my pin was so crazy. It was

(31:36):
like you put melodies over your pen, you're gonna be vicious.
And so my sister was always a singer, so melodies
was easy for me. So I'm like okay. And so
Tony Mercedes, who signed TolC, had came one day and
brought his artists and was like, yo, I got this artist.
She's big in Australia. Write her a song. And I

(31:56):
wrote her a song on the spot as a smash,
and he gave me a check the next day. It
was like here, how much was the check? Seventy five
hundred dollars and I'm like like, hold on, but he
gave me the check. You're like just sign this and
I'm like all right, well I'm signing. And it gave
me seventy five dollars. I'm like, so one of them,
who am I giving this to? He like this for

(32:18):
you for writing a song every record. I was trying
to get you ten, but they only agreed that. I'm like,
so I got seventy five. Oh yeah, it's over. I
know that they're done. Everybody's done. Everybody's done. Nobody is
going to breathe again with the writing. Y'all are done.
They're handing out checks for writing hits. Everybody's done. All

(32:41):
y'all are good. Don't even don't even pick up the
pen no more unless you're extravagant. So from that day on,
when I see that check, and I didn't have to
do no gags, I have to do nothing. I have
to hit no lick. I'd have to do no nothing.
I'd have to jump through no windows, nothing, do no flock,
I had to sell nothing. I was, I said, he
just handed me this and all cash, and I don't

(33:03):
have to do nothing. And I just had to do that.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Now, my mama, I was, oh my god, I ain't
look and as you And obviously ever since then it
got wicked, it got serious, and so I just started
just becoming a guillotine with the pen like I'm just sharp.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I'm just like everybody getting diced. So from then I
just start cataloging. Oh y'all, hold on, y'all be buying
records after that's all y'all want. So now I'm sitting
there and then I'm finding friends. You know what I sing?
Jump in the booth, sing what I'm singing? You know
how to right? So then the engineers ain't moving fast
enough for me, so I'm like, damn, I can't find
an engineer. So now I'm in the back trying to
figure out how the engineer. Okay, let me see how

(33:44):
to record myself so I ain't got to worry about
these things. So I figure it out. After some months,
I put in hours and hours and every day I'm
trying to figure it out, and I'm going through, how
do I tweet this? Put this EQ? What's this? I'm
looking up? So I'm asking the engineers. They don't even
want to rock. I'm in the middle of Okay, how
do I put it a EQ on this? How do
I make this sound better? How do I do this?
So I'm getting the breakdown. It's crazy. I'm getting a breakdown.

(34:06):
I'm like, damn, Okay, cool, so from there, now I'm
now all the engineer a little bit. So then I'm
sitting there and I'm writing. I'm like, damn, where the
producers at. Ain't these niggas ain't not giving me enough material.
I'm writing faster than the producers. You know what I'm saying.
For real. I'm like, I'm now I'm cooking because my hustle.
They gave me a check. It's done. I'm not gonna

(34:28):
stop until i'm up. If I could stack these checks
up to where I could be up all the way
up and just be up man o my mom, and
you're never gonna stey nobody. It's done. So I'm out
writing every day. I'm waking morning, noon, and night. I'm writing.
And so now I'm like, okay, cool, I don't know.
I can't find any producers, but garage man logic. I'm like,

(34:49):
sh let me figure it out. So now I'm on
garage Man making whack beats. I'm talking about super whack.
I'm like boom. I'm like, oh, I can see what
a mix on it. They gotta be crazy, It's all right, Oh,
running back, So niggas is walking in and I'm pressing
play and the other niggas in They're like, yeah, we see,

(35:13):
we can see, we can see kind of what's he
doing right? Hey? And then Tim and Bob and all
them and and Tricky Stewart and all that, they coming
in and they pressing play on crazy, I'm like, damn,
why shit is what? So now I'm like damn, Like
hold on, So I'm now I got to sit here
every day and figure out how to produce, and I'm
making whack ass beats until finally i make a beat

(35:35):
that's hot. Then I'm like, oh, I'm for real. Hey,
look I'm telling you now I'm for real. I'm somebody else.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Now it's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Man, I I'm doing I'm doing all kind of I
don't even know how to play, but I'm trying. I'm
figuring it out. What this note, go to this note? Okay,
what about this note? That don't sound right? So now
I'm playing everything my ear I'm creeping. So now I'm
getting into it now. So now I'm like, okay, you
know what, I'm selling records, But the records, it's now

(36:04):
about the networking. You gotta run around and figure out
how to get in people's faces like I got records
over here. I got enough of a catalog. I probably
made probably fifty sixty songs now and I'm able to
press play.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
But like he's hearing it, you didn't try to go
back to first due that roature. The check for the
seventy five, that was one check.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
He not finna just cut me. He did cut me
a couple more checks, but he don't got an undern
amount of checks. He got other producers that's bigger than me.
Like he just gave me a Like Tony Mercedi's just
looked out. He just looked out, like that's you know
what you're young, Go ahead, I'll rock with you. And
I did, and I showed him prove cut me to check.
And Tony still my guy to this day. But he
created TLC. Like he's saying, he was one of the

(36:45):
early executives. So he always seen you know, we make
no scrubs and stuff. You see you can see through
like this dude is heeds something. He got something so real.
An R is always recognized like greatness in me when
they've seen whatever was the hungry whatever it was. So
so he just looked out. But I went to trying
to find other Tony Mercedes, who else got it? Say? Yeah?

(37:08):
So I was hustling and then like I said, your
network is your network. So at the time, I only
knew a couple of people, and I'm not I'm trying
to figure out how to get further than where I'm at.
So I'm like, dang, like, how do I get Maybe
I need a manager. I need somebody. Yeah, because this
ain't gonna work. I need somebody. So then I linked
up with Chris Lighty.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Okay, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
No, Rather Chris Lighty Chris Light's most legendary manager ever.
He created fifty cent did divide him in water deal.
He's violate. He created a company called Violator. No he's dead.
Yeah they died. No, No, it's all good. But that's
my that was my that was my big bro. So
he his situation was different because he created Violator, which

(37:54):
he signed Buster to and fifty And that's where Mona
Scott came from, and that's where all of them came
She worked for Violator, all of them. He had a
hub of the Big Diddy. All of them was under Violator.
Violator was the thing, yo, Gotti, all them was. When
I got to violator. They had already been them, but Yo,
Gotty was running around with Mike Lighty and so Chris Lighty,

(38:16):
Mike Lighty, Dave Lighty, Dave Lighty brought me. Yeah, they're
all Lighties, but Dave Lighty brought me to Chris Lighty
and Chris Lighty. When he seen me, he was like,
because at that point in time, I had walked in
there and was like, what's up, bro, Yeah, I'm the greatest.
I'm the greatest that ever lived. And he was like,

(38:39):
what who? I ain't even ever heard of you? Bro
with you? And so he like, I said, who's your
favorite rapper? He's telling me. I said, but I'm way
better than them. You know what I'm saying. I'm way
better than your favorite. He was like, bro, God, hold on.
He calls Chris Lady, everybody in the room, the whole office,
and he goes, Okay, we're gonna see what you're into.

(38:59):
He's like, he's laughing at me. Though I swear everybody
knows that was around Tiffany, all the people that was around,
he's laughing at me. Right, He's like, yo, like, okay,
we're gonna see. And so I get up and I
just start barring down the whole room and they're like,
oh my god. What wal he like. So after I'm done,

(39:20):
I'm like yeah. He like, hold on, man, yo, you
are not He like, hold on, man, you got song songs?
Press play? So I play like five six of my
craziest records. He like, you wrote these, that's you on it.
He's like, okay, you know what, all right, y'all, y'all good?
Are we good? All right? Everybody good? All right? Bruh.

(39:42):
So at the time, I had went to New York
to meet Chris Lighty, but I had set up a
meeting with Mark Pitts, which is also my big bro,
which was the president of the RCA Records. But he
had by a storm and you know, he signed Chris
Brown signs.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
How are you getting these contacts?

Speaker 2 (39:56):
You're like, just because because I was moving around. So
I was in a studio and a dude named cast
And how I got to Mark Pitts was a dude
named casting kind of like was there with me. He
was like early with me when I was just hustling
in there singing making records all the time, and Caston
was like, dude, you are ridiculous. On the pen like, yo,

(40:20):
like you like you need to be. So he brought
a dude named Kirk Lightburn to the studio that he
was cool with, and Kirk Lightburn worked from Mark Pitts,
and Kirk Lightburn heard me and was like, yo, I
need to get you to New York to meet Mark. Period.
So they were scheduling it, and I scheduled Chris Lighty
and Mark Pitts same in two days. And so when

(40:42):
I told when I went and met with Mark Pitts
and RCA, we had such a vibe. I was with him,
we was locked in and him the whole off. He
was like, yo, let's let's lock it and let's get it.
Were good you Buystorm And I went to Chris Lighti
and Chris Lighty was like, I can't even let you leave. Bro.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
I was gonna say I would have never It was like,
I can't.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Even let you leave. He's like, honestly, I know where
you went from, but you the biggest your next trust me,
I know what it is. And I was like, I
think I was twenty at the time. I'm like, I
wouldn't old enough to drink. So I'm like I'm like,
I'm like, all right, so what you want to do?
He like, well, well, how much you need or what

(41:21):
do you not? How much? He said, what do you need?
And I'm like, well right now, honestly, I just got
this little apartment that joint kind of hitting. But I've
been doing all cuntire. But I said, I'm finna go
back and the home you gotta lick. Right now, I'm
supposed to be up, Like if we hit this and
get away with this, I'm gonna be up fifty thousand.
You said that, yeah, but I'm telling them, really, what's happening. Yeah,
I'm like, cause, I'm like, but the home you gotta lick.

(41:43):
But I'm like, I'm supposed to be writing this, and
these niggas want me to come to Germany. I'm he like, listen,
how much add up all your bills for the year.
And I'm like all right, I'm sitting there. He like,
do it now, And I'm sitting here and I'm adding
up and I'm like, oh damn. I'm like, okay, I
rent two thousand month, so that's already twenty four thy
twelve months. And then this car I just got off

(42:06):
this stupid ad. I got it from Statewide, which they
give you that you know, state wide, No, they you
ain't got no credit, but you want to flaws. You
put down thirty percent and they'll give you a car.
But they come in to repo at the day you
missed one payment. It's unusual so anyway, because they repot it.
So that's how I know. So I had this state
wide joint and I'm like, dang, thirteen hundred a month,

(42:28):
and I'm like, damn, I added that up. So tod,
I'm like damn. After I started adding up, like I
just need to get but I need to be fly,
and then I needed I'm like, damn, my bill's like
five thousand dollars a month. Bro. No, But I'm sitting
there and I'm talking. I'm like in my head and
I'm like, hey, bro, I ain't gonna lie all this, Okay.
So whole time I'm dating this girl, Genevieve Jackson right

(42:52):
since I was, because I can't leave her out either
because she was pivotal back then. She's Michael Jackson's niece, right,
Jermaine's daughter Randy's So like I was also off and
on living in the Jackson House on haven Hurst real
like I didn't have a spot to stay because they

(43:16):
grew up on haven Hurst and Mensino with the giraffe
and all that other that they grew up in that
crazy mansion. And she was my girl since I was sixteen.
So I was with her from sixteen to like twenty something,
so twenty I think or twenty one, I don't know.
We just got her like five years. But during this time,

(43:38):
I was also living off and on at the Jackson
House between my boy Shank's house and the Jackson House.
So my best friend Shank, we all shocked up in
this one bedroom over there, and then when it's getting
bad over there, I'm going to my girl house. She
got a mansion. I'm sleeping in the room Michael used

(43:58):
to sleep in. No dead ass, this is my baby,
this is my girl. Like look Jennimer. So I'm playing
scrabble with Miss Jackson like Dr Majesty Ja'afar, her little brother,
the whole family. We there. Janet's coming home to see
her mom at random times, and this is where her
grandma lived. She lived with her grandma, So that's Michael's mom,
that's Janis mind as everybody. So I'm there and I

(44:20):
was just like inside of the highest frequency and then
go to the hood and be in the hood. It's
the weirdest. It was like where I was so catching
frequencies from everywhere. So I can't leave her out either
because she was she was also looking out back then
in terms of like letting me stay there and whatever.

(44:40):
Like she was solid back then. I can't just skip
over her. But I also besides Ruben Cannon and I
was everywhere, but that was one of the main places
I was obviously because I was my girl, So it
was what it was. But skip up. So I was
with her, and he was tripping off that like, dang
you with.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
The jack like it was a thing when you were wait,
go back. So he asked you how much you made
for a year? Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, So you end
up telling it up and telling him, But how did
he know.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
That you were with her? That's what I was saying,
because I actually took her out there. Yeah, I took
her out there. So so so my boy let me
stay at his house. Roger Mason, which was playing for
the Knicks at the time. Roger Mason from the Knicks
used to play for the King's Two. But Roger Mason

(45:31):
was trying to get me to do his artist's project
C C. Cigar. So I'm like like, ooh, I could
go out there. I can have these meetings. I could
link with Roger figure out if I can get a
check out of him. And so so I'm like, so
Roger's like, yeah, you come, you and your girl come,
y'all just stay. He had a penthouse over There's like,
y'all got to stay here. I'm like, damn you know me.

(45:52):
I'm like, oh, I got the oh, I got to
New York. I was in the big house. I was
in there and be at her this tag like it's
so it was up. That's one of my best friends still.
Roger Mason's really want so, you know, he was so
anybody I met with him. I'm sitting there with him.
I'm telling him like yo, He's like, damn you a Jackson.
This is crazy, like all this other stuff. Right. So

(46:12):
he's like, all right, cool, So how much five thousand
a month for me? That was a lot for him.
He didn't even remember that I even said five thousand
a month. So he's like fivey twelve sixty. He's like,
all right, cool, I'm gonna have you a check tomorrow
for seventy thousand. After you get that check, I'm gonna
you're gonna work that check back off. I will take
it out of the money that I make you. And
I'm like, hold on, bro, So you saying, if I

(46:36):
saw if we do this management and everything right here,
right here, right now, you fin the cut. I'm getting
seventy thousand for you to manage me and go get
make me some more money. And smo, do you believe
in me that much? Were you thinking? I said, Bro,
it's over. Signed with Chris Lighty, we locked in and
it was like that was that was the first person
to believe in me. Chris Lighty for real, and he

(46:58):
was the one that was walking around all offices like
rock star. He did so so so okay, all this
confidence that you hear that right there don't really work
in the music business unless you have accolades. I didn't
have them, but I knew who I was. So when
you're walking around and you know who you are early,

(47:19):
it's problems. But it wasn't. Now I heard because Kanye
is like that too, but Kan wasn't.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
But before he was Kanye, he was producer for other people.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
But was he was He was always confident, but he
wasn't on what I was known, because the thing about
him was I'm just saying, yeah, it was that I
get like he is like like me and him would
have been best friends, but he was like the way
he was, he was still like up under whoever, like

(47:57):
he was up under the rock or up under dame er,
can you look out me? I'm finna go be, Dang,
I'm finna go be. I'm finna go figure it out,
like yeah, man light, he managed me, but he was
setting me up to become me, you know what I'm saying.
I was already walking in the buildings like, yeah, who's
your biggest artist? All right, cool, I'll do the album,

(48:17):
but this is how we're gonna do this, and they're
like who is this? And Chris like, yo, he's next.
I just told you. I put all y'all, then I
put you on. I just told you he's next. And
then they'd be like, oh a right, Chris, all right,
well let's do So Chris was more like standing behind
bullying like whatever. Like Chris was so solid that he
was like rock, just talk your shit, just go off.

(48:38):
So I was running through buildings going off like whatever,
who is it all right, what's the artist? Okay, this
is trash, let's redo this. But I was delivering, like
when it was my time to shine. He'd come in
and press play like I told y'all, okay, So we
was winning, and so I went and got an artist.
You know, he'd be like, rock, you need the you
gotta get in your mogul mode. All this genius put

(48:59):
it on an artist. So I went and got this
artist named Jude Claire DeMars right out of Detroit. And
I don't want to know Chris and the Cute. I
actually caught her walking out of Chris and Cute's office
Chris and Cute and was like, everybody's passing on this girl.
And I looked at her and I'm like, this chick
is like gorgeous. She was like she was like just

(49:21):
she had a thing to her and I'm like, dang,
you a star man, and she's like yeah, and she
from the She's like from the bottom of the d
Like she's like Foster Home like type. Her parents were
running back, so she was like from the bottom like so,
but she's a white girl. It's the weirdest thing. So
she like that Tina Marine, you know, you never heard

(49:41):
of her. Jude dem she ever seen Star. She's on
the show Star. But but but but anyway, I knew,
I knew. I knew she was a start early because
when I see him like yo, and her voice was
real dope, and I'm like, damn, that's crazy. So I
grabbed Jude and I'm like, yo, just roll me, let me.
I'm gonna sign you. I'm gonna do your project. We're

(50:03):
gonna get you popping. And she's like, all right, let's
do it. So she signed me. My well, my lawyer,
Roger Patton was opening a lot of doors for me.
My boy Kenny Lattimore, which was singing with my sister. Again,
I know a lot of people from my sister too.
Kenny Latimore introduced me to Roger Patton, my lawyer. To
this day, I never changed. I stick to the code.

(50:24):
My lawyer to this day. I made him millions of dollars.
She's still the same lawyer. Roger Patton linked me with
a bunch of different people, but he did all the contracts.
He was doing ideals. So I signed her. And when
I signed her, I did her album and Chris was like, yo,
do her album, get it right, and I signed this

(50:45):
other girl, Carolina Web, which is like one of the
greatest talents. She's ridiculous, like a rock chick like something,
but anyway, like a paramour. But I signed her and
her and I and when I signed her, He's like,
do her album, let's go do it. So I've been
album I was. I was doing all kind of stuff
like me and her was locked in finished her album.

(51:06):
She was still on the bottom and I'm We're like,
we're gonna run. So we So we walked into Jimmy
Ivian's house, right and this is the first time I
ever started seeing what was going on. So besides him
giving me that seventy thousand dollars check, the other biggest
check I got was was Roger Mason ended up giving
me two hundred and twenty thousand dollars to do CC

(51:27):
Cigars album. So now I'm up like two ninety. Now
all my mam and me up to ninety. You don't
want me to be up to ninety at that point,
but I was doing it. Hey, look, I was like
to night. When I looked at this, it was zeros
in the account and it was legal man on my mama.
You don't even want to talk to me. Talking to

(51:48):
me was wild because I was just saying, I mean,
what do you mean, I'll fly out of here? Hey, look,
I thought I was next year. It was I blew
through the money so fast that my ankles on twisted.
That's how fast I ran through the money. My ankles
almost twisted. How fast I ran through the money. It
was unusual. But I didn't even get there yet. Thank

(52:10):
you for ruining that. But yeah, I absolutely ran through
the money. And when I tell you, I never not
ran through the money. It's mandatory that you run through
the money. Though. A billionaire broke that down to me
because I never understood why I kept blowing my money.
That's a huge part that people have to realize. Why

(52:32):
do you blow your money? Why? So a couple different
mobuls taught me different things, but one billionaire told me,
you know the reason you blowed through your money, Like
you keep complaining because one time I went broke. This
we're skipping up. You got me skipping up. One time
I went broke right after I got all this money.
One time I went broke. And when I was broke,

(52:54):
I was sitting there and I'm telling him, like, bro
I'm fucked up right now. You ain't got no projects, Like,
just give me a bridge and I'm gonna get back
on my feet. And he like, he like, listen, how
much you I'm like give me, Like I need like
a core. I need like two hundred and fifty thousand.
So he like, all right, listen, you keep looking real emo.

(53:14):
And I don't like the way you're talking about yourself
or the way you feeling, like the way you're I'm
used to a different type of rock star. You gotta
understand how the trajectory of money goes. And I'm like,
what you mean? He said, listen, When I made five
hundred thousand, I lost it. Then I made a million,
I lost it. Then I made two million. I lost
it until I got to a place where I made

(53:35):
enough where I could fall on a cloud and I
was still up there, and then I could keep going
from there. He said, it's mandatory because you have to
go low to go high. You gotta bend your knees
to jumps gravity. If you don't go low, you're not
gonna go high. So your trajectory even on a stock obviously,
now me being publicly traded a publicly traded company owner

(53:57):
and me being a stock, me being who I m
today and a mogul and a different type of thing
with tech, and I understand now how graphs and charts work.
Back then, I didn't even know what he was talking about,
but I did say, dang, you do gotta being your
needs to jump. You gotta go lower to go higher.
He's like, bro, you keep don't fold because you hit
the ground. You should be rejoicing. You the type of

(54:19):
dude you are, you think you're gonna stay here? Yeah? Right,
I bet everything in my account you'll be rich in
the year. And I'm like what damn. I'm like, okay, cool.
And he didn't give me the money. He was like,
I'm not gonna give you the money because you gotta
go through the steps to go get the money. Go
figure it out. Shit. And I'm like, damn, this nigga
did all that and I didn't get nothing. This sucks.
This nigga sucks. But at the end of the day,

(54:41):
it was so true. I was like, yo, and I
figured out how to maneuver and figure and everything. Every
detail was mandatory for my next elevation, you know what
I'm saying. So it's crazy, But anyway, that's not where
I was at. You got me over here going broke
and stuff like that, where losing my money? Where was
I at? No? I was somewhere else. Is going brilliant?

Speaker 1 (55:02):
All right, Yo, you got your money from Chris Lady
was up, you got the two hundred and twenty, and
he was feeling yourself.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
I was doing as much as one person could do.
I'll talk about So. Then I bump into Chris Brown, right, No, no, no,
not yet, Chris Lighty, No no, no, Let's go back
to June. That's where I was at so so so
Claire Demos. I'm sitting there at dinner album. We walk
into Jimmy Ivin's house. Jimmy Ivien, me and Chris Lighty
sit there and play the music and I'm in Jimmy house.

(55:32):
I'm like, Jimmy made everybody. So I'm sitting there in
Jimmy house and I'm like, yo, I'm nervous, but I'm like, shit,
I just made the craziest album ever. I got Tina
Marie right here, press play. And he's sitting there, Jimmy.
He's like yeah with his hat, He's like, mansion is stupendous.
I'm sitting here like this is cantankerous. I'm in this

(55:53):
joint like need me one of these I'm saying. So anyway, yeah,
it's unusual activity. So I'm in gim me. I mean,
I'm sitting here, and I'm like, damn, this is crazy.
So we present play and so he's sitting there and
I'm she's nervous, so she ain't selling the records, so
I get to selling the records for her. Damn. There,

(56:13):
I'm in that mother like boo, I'm I'm sitting So
he's now paying attention to what I'm doing. I'm lipping
the words and this up then and then I'm here,
so I just take because she ain't able to right
now for some reason, she not being her. She's a
star twenty four to seven, but something made her not deliver,
and I said, damn, so I had to take the

(56:33):
floor and I'm instead and I'm you know, as a producer.
We still we made it. So we're sitting there and
we know how to still deliver whatever's happening. And so
he's sitting there, so he tells Chrisy goes, Okay, I
like her, but he's the star, So what do you
want to do? With him, and so she so Chris

(56:54):
Landy like, oh, okay, well we'll figure it out. Let's
talk and to that. So we get in the car
and she starts crying, breaking it down. She acting like
I did it something. So I'm like, damn. Like so
that's another thing, managing artists and them whole. So I'm
like damn. So I'm sitting here with her and I'm like, listen,

(57:15):
you didn't sell it, period.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
You said that to her?

Speaker 2 (57:18):
What me, I'm saying everything. I'm telling her you didn't
sell it. We did all this and you didn't sell it.
So that's not my fault. You're supposed to sell it.
So me and her do all that, and she like, ah,
it's a whole thing. So I tell Chris, I say, Chris,
I need you to set something up. She don't feel
good about herself right now. It feels like this is

(57:38):
this we got it. We gotta deliver. And Chris like,
I'm gonna call La Red.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
I'm like, all right, do you leave Jimmy with the
whole I want him?

Speaker 2 (57:47):
So he was see Chris started kind of like like,
we'll circle back to Jimmy because he want to work
with you. Because Jimmy signs Timberland's producers and Doctor Dres
and Parrels, and that's what that's what Jimmy. Yeah, so
he's me people like me show up. He like, oh,
it's another to Doctor Dry. That's why I come over.
So he's on that type of vibe. But that's where

(58:09):
he's thinking. But she's like, I'm still in the middle
of I just completed this project and gave her all
these promises. Claire. I got you out the hood, I
got you you good. We're from Detroit. It's over. It's us.
It's just me and you against the world. And Chris,
let's get it done. I promised you you was gonna
get signed. I know nobody ever did it. I'm gonna

(58:29):
do it for you. And I was, and I was
stuck on it. So I told Chris right now, forget me,
let's go to somebody. So he hit he hit La Reid.
So we missed the flight to go meet La Red.
So I'm like, oh my god. So I'm just in
the airport with Claire. I'm losing it. Claire's like, Yo,

(58:52):
this is crazy because I always miss every flight because
I'm my My scheduling is try so I missed the flight.
She's looking at me like I've done signed to the
most incompetent. He's a genius, but he just what is
he doing? So she's sitting here and she's like, she's

(59:14):
a white girl, but she's a black woman. It's not
a normal. Yeah, it's not She's not a normal. So
she's sitting there like and I'm like, damn. I'm like,
I just missed a flight. So Chris like, you missed
a flight. So he cussing me out. So I'm like, damn.
I'm like, so he like, listen, I set it up

(59:35):
for a week later. Get here in a week, bro,
if you miss this flight, don't talk to me for
I'm not even talking to you no more. I'm like, damn.
So I get on the flight. I'm domn there sleeping
the airport. I'm in that the flight. I'm not the
flight on Wednesday. I'm in there Tuesday. Like I'm in
that joint right, I don't even care. So we get

(59:57):
on that flight, made we go to La re We
go to La Reid's office. When we go to La
Reid's office, I'm in there with this an R. That
was kind of like feeling Claire a little bit off
what was going on, named Randy Rozano, and so she
was like kind of champion and like whatever you wanted.

(01:00:18):
Like she was like, yo, when you go to La Reid,
I'm gonna be in there, like that was one of
his main a and rs. She like, y'all, I'm gonna
be with y'all, like this is crazy, like I love it.
And everybody respected Chris. So everybody's kind of like, yo,
let's do it, like this is a thing. And so
I took Claire. I'm like, listen before we go in here,
you this is where Rihanna came from. You're Rihanna. This

(01:00:40):
has to happen. Let's go like, this is not a game.
I'm not gonna be selling your sell yourself. Please, this
is crazy. And she like I got this, don't worry
about it. I got it. I'm like all right, cool.
So we go up at La Reid's office and La
Reid sitting there and he's like, no, da da, but
see Claire's bad. So La read like he got the

(01:01:03):
Rihanna's and the pink singer. So when he sees something,
he's like, So she walk in and she come in
and da da da. He like, okay, go ahead, play it.
But when you playing the song, perform it, I'm like,
oh my god. So I'm like, this is finnicky crazy already.
I'm like, don't even know. But I'm like, oh, so clear,

(01:01:25):
get up, and she'd kill it. She'd get to doing
whatever they be doing when you do stuff. So she
was cooking the records crazy and she in it, and
she telling him, oh, this is she's singing the record
and the record crazy sound like a new reality. And
he like, all right, get y'all, go go ahead, and
I get it. I get it. So he tells us

(01:01:45):
I get it. In the middle of us doing it,
She's like, I get it. Okay, y'all go ahead, go outside.
Let's I'm gonna talk to Chris. I get it, Like
I've seen enough. I'm like damn. So we go outside
and I'm sitting there. I'm like, damn, you blew it.
I told you about this stupid ass dressoot on war
and this probably would mess up. And she's like, man,
I did. So we we in the in the lobby

(01:02:08):
arguing about whatever the fuck because I'm thinking she I'm like,
I don't even know. So then Chris Lighty and La
Reed come out with the other nd rs and they're like,
all right, all right, do you want the deal. I'm like,
what deal. They're like, listen, we're gonna go across the
street to Lavo. We're gonna let the lawyers do the deal.
We're giving her her record deal right now. Y'all not
leaving until we signing it. And I'm like, huh, so

(01:02:32):
me and her we it's up. So she started crying.
We running around. It's that. I'm like, oh, it's up.
So I'm like, damn. So I'm sitting there with her like, yo,
I can't believe I just did this because I really
manifested and created and it worked and we're here, and
so they like, no, so I go. And that was

(01:02:54):
my first seven hundred and fifty thousand so I sold.
I was twenty one. I think I sold her for
seven hundred. She signed to me. It's called fs O
for the Services Up. So she signed on my production company,
and she signed the Epic Records through me. So so
I basically you leased the artist pretty much anyway. I

(01:03:18):
got the check, bought her a brand new Rams Rover,
gave her a check, got her out her apartment. She
was living with her sister and her mom and it's
like over there in the middle of Korea town and
something crazy. It was like it was crazy, but got
them their own spot. They moved into this house. And
that was the first time I ever flipped. That was

(01:03:41):
that was like my first legal brick. Like I like load,
like I found a collect that was pretty much a
Colombian connect and I just flipped the whole. All that's
gone one load. I showed up and we got out
of there safe and the gorillas didn't get us. That
was the most money I had ever seen at the time.

(01:04:02):
So I'm like, oh my god, and I just went broke.
That was the thing. I lost all the money doing
too much because I had just got all that. The
second again, yeah yeah, definitely lost again. But but that too,
I just was. I was down there like two ninety
I was down there like two and nine dollars. I

(01:04:22):
was down I'll tell you all to you know where
I was at. It was bad. But anyway, so I'm
sitting there broke, busted and discussed in the office. Boom
that check come through. It's another seventh. I'm like, oh,
I'm up now up so now I'm like, oh, so
signed her there. That was the first time I ever
went through having an artist and a major. That whole

(01:04:42):
situation went far left. But we're not going to go
into what that was because that was crazy. But you
know that taught me a whole bunch of stuff there
in terms of signing artist to majors and then the net.
Let's keep skipping. The next big check was when I
signed a label deal myself to Craig Calman. That was
my first millions.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Chris Oh, Chris Lighty, Chris Brown.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
That's where we're going, like watching a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Yeah, literally, I can have popcorn right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
No? No, no, no, So Chris Lighty oh ye, okay,
we gotta wrap this up. So Chris Lighty, this is
the sick part about this. Chris Lighty dies out the blue,
right out the blue. So I'm like, what the So
they called me like Chris dead. I'm like, huh, Chris

(01:05:38):
who Chris Lighty dead. I'm like, hold on, bro, what so?
I'm like what So, I'm fucked off. My head is
fucked I'm like, bro, so I'm calling Dave. I'm crying.
I'm fucked up. I'm like, what is going on. So
this whole conspiracy is crazy. Ship. I'm like, dude, what

(01:06:02):
is going So once he once he died, all the
vultures just fool. It got bad, right, It got bad
right away because they already didn't like me. You understand,
they didn't like me. They had to like me. Yeah,
that's the thing. They had to like me because I
pressed playing my speakers was smacking their stupid asses, and

(01:06:24):
they had to like me because of who I was
with and it was hierarchy so they couldn't do nothing
about But like, all right, he's next. He guess he's
the next Kanye, like they had to, but they didn't
want to and they didn't. So when he died, and
my MoMA, one thing I remember I'll never forget. I
walked into I snuck into the being my awards and

(01:06:46):
I walked into the be and my awards And I'm
gonna leave the exact name out of it because I
liked the exact now, but back then it was the wick.
It was the coldest shit I ever heard. And Nigga
tell me so, I had already liked been trying to
reach out to people afterwards, to do certain things, even
trying to reach out to the label and they didn't
want to respond, and now they direct with my artists

(01:07:08):
and I can't even get it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
So now the artists and all them is all best
friends and I can't even nobody want to answer my calls.
Now it's Rock who is Ain't no Chris, It's just Rock.
So now I'm the little nigga again. I'm nobody again.
So I'm sitting there and I'm like, damn, so I
can't even get to the label. They taking my artists.
She running around sessions and were about to drop. I

(01:07:33):
don't know nothing about it. They doing whatever they want
to do, and I'm trying to reach out to La
Read and I can't get to them. None of them
want to answer my call. So I'm like, man, it's crazy.
So everybody kind of just blackball. It was like nobody was.
It was like as soon as Chris, they was like,
why would we answer the phone without Chris? This isn't
making any sense right, So what happens is I'm like

(01:07:55):
most people would have been like, damn, man, they ain't
fuck with me. I'm done. But obviously lead that's when
that confidence, like whatever God has for me, no man,
could stop. So I already knew like y'all are trying
to play me and just fueled me. Most people fold
when they give that type of energy, they fold up.

(01:08:15):
I get amped from it. It's like a big It's
like the big that comes from me being in the
streets the biggest dude hop out and oh what's up,
and everybody like hey, backing up, and man, I don't
want to I'm like, huh, I feel like now you think,
now you think you want to show me. I'm finished
try and do some amazing shit. So I want to
show out. So I'm trying to do I always was

(01:08:36):
that guy. I want to fight the biggest dude. I
want to whatever. So I went after everybody pretty much
in a nutshell in a different type of way. I'm like,
I gotta play chess. They don't want to let me
in the door. I'ma figure this out my throat. So
I went to the b and my awards and wasn't

(01:08:56):
nobody fucking with me. It was all what it was.
And when I went to be in my awards, the dude,
the executive, powerful executive, he sees me, he goes, yo,
So how you being? I'm like, man, ever since Chris
Lighty died. Man, this industry just I'm seeing how fake
it is. He's like, yeah, man, like Chris Lighty died,

(01:09:21):
we didn't really want you in the building in the
first place, like we talked to you. He tells me,
we didn't want you in the building in the first place.
You you pretty much Chris barged his way in there
with you, and we couldn't do nothing about it. But
at the end of the day, he's gone. So I
don't know what the hell you're gonna do now because

(01:09:42):
I don't see it happening. But he'd been waiting to
say this. This is how wicked he be on the low.
They don't see it happening. But good luck, bro, And yeah, man,
it's all good. This is a jew too, It's all good.
I holler at you. I'm like, damn, I'm like I said, listen,
I said, Chris Lighty is gone, and you think my
career over. He's like, I don't think your career is over,

(01:10:04):
but I just don't see what you're gonna do next.
I said, well, first of all, what you gotta understand
is this shit is in me on a scale you
haven't even you the fact that you just said that.
I said, I guarantee you you'll be cutting me a
check soon, but I'm gonna holler at you, so we'll
want to shake his hand. So he like, uh so boom,

(01:10:27):
So I go back. I tell I guarantee you you're
gonna cut me a check soon, and that saying nigga
ended up cutting me multiple checks. But the crazy thing
is crazy thing is they will try and blacklist you
to the maximum capacity if they feel like they can't.
The industry is so scandalous if they can get you

(01:10:47):
out the way they will. They're all scary ass executives.
None of them want to be taking risk and putting
their job on the line for you. And so I
ended up, you know, kind of like have to navigate
my artists being took me kind of running through my
bread not having nothing going on into who brought me

(01:11:10):
back to life Mark Pitts with Chris Brown. So after
all of that, right, you understand, After all of that,
I'm sitting there and I'm just like doing independent projects
really like I gotta I'm hustling, and so I'm just
doing independent projects. And so like I got a new

(01:11:31):
girlfriend and she was signed the TI and I took
her and now they feel some time. It's crazy. So
I'm already politic and all kind of stuff, right, it's crazy.
I'm already in the mix. So I'm like, damn, like,
I just keep running into roadblocks. So I'm sitting there
and one day Chris Lighty, no Chris like Mark Pitts

(01:11:55):
calls me and he goes, hey, you still make music.
I'm like, what do I make? I said, Now, Mark,
you know I'm the greatest that ever lived. Why would
you call me and ask me? Am I still the
greatest that ever lived? And he goes, you are nuts?
He said, Yo, pull up on me, man, we're doing
this Chris Brown camp, pull up on me. Let's see

(01:12:15):
what we can get accomplished. Like, I'm gonna just see.
So check this out. I had just gotten to a
whole pretty much scuffle with Chris Brown's whole team in
the club supper club the night before.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
So so I'm in. I'm in. This is how crazy
it is because I'm in the club, so like, this
is how I'm doing stuff. So I'm in the club
supper club and all this stuff because this where all
the stars is coming like everybody's there. All the big
stars of the time kept coming to supper club. Yanna
be there, this person be there. And my boy Johnny Cruz,
who I grew up with, was running the club. It's
the biggest club in Hollywood. So I'm in there and

(01:12:55):
I'm at the main table and he just like, just
give me a thousand and give me. So I'm by
bottles and I got bad bitch. It's ridiculous. I got five, six,
seven bad. So I'm walking in with seven eight bad bitches.
And then they like, damn, it's a good was this
Hugh Hefner. I'm walking in So Chris Brown. This is
the first time I ever interacted with him besides dance,

(01:13:16):
because I met Chris Brown two times before, but it
wasn't that type of experience. He came to the Jackson House.
You can actually look up Chris Brown going to the
Jackson House. I was there. He came to the Jackson
House to meet the Jackson kids because he's always idolized Michael.
First time I ever met Chris, but it was quick
and it was some Jackson. He probably thought I was
a Jackson kid, right. So I was in the I

(01:13:38):
was in there like I was in there doing whatever
they was doing. Hey, how are you? I think I
was switching it all up. I don't even know whatever
they was on. I was doing, yes, but hey, mister Brown,
are you because they talk real polite about everything, could
be cussing you out politely. So I'm sitting there with
them on some like whole other I we all in there.

(01:13:59):
He's taking a picture and he's like in awe and
he's stars struck and I'm in there and I'm like, yeah,
I'm just blending in out and definitely the darkest one.
And so anyway, so that happened, right, that was the
first time I met him. Then I met him through
Crump obviously, because he started to use Crump in everything,
and so he would come to our Crump arenas Doun

(01:14:19):
the Missus obviously, Chris Brother was one of my best
friends now right all these years later, but back then
I didn't know. We didn't know each other. So he
was sitting there and he was going through the Crump arenas,
and he was like one of the only stars that
would actually show up to the Crump sessions. So it'd
be big Crump sessions with all these people doing its

(01:14:40):
crump anas, and he would show up in battle on
stage like all right, cool call out. So he would
come with britty with me ho and then was like ops.
So for me, I'm like, ooh, he come with the ops.
So I'm bumping into him on a dance tip. It's
still that, you know what I'm saying. It ain't so anyway,
back to the club. So we in the club, I
got all these bitches. No, we're doing all this. So

(01:15:02):
one day he like, damn, his table over there was
kind of dry. He like, yo, So I had a
chick that looked like a bagging now, laters, unbelievable. I'm
talking the next level, just an all pink star burst.
And so he was sitting there. He was looking because Chris,
you know, he if it's a bad bitch around, he
don't even he like what's going. So I'm like, yo,

(01:15:23):
see me. He look over and I don't even know.
I'm like that. I'm like, so I sent him go
go to his table. I don't even want you here.
So I'm trying to like, see you want it. I did.
It didn't matter anyone Politiican right now, these niggas ain't
messing it. I was just like yo, I'm trying to
he's my we're the same age. So he looking at
me like who is this nigga with all this motion?

(01:15:44):
Because who am I?

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
So you send over the appetizer?

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
I send over there? So he like, damn he said
this type of frequency. So he over there. He like, okay,
you kind of respect, like a little bit like, oh
a nigga, send you a couple bad. But you're like, okay,
why we ain't be gonna be best friends? But it's
like so the next week, he don't come to the table,
don't come to the club. But I come back to
saying I'm back six change. Hey, look, and then his

(01:16:09):
crew come, what's it all my niggas now? But back
then it wasn't. So then I get there. I bought
his table because they say he wasn't coming, so I
bought his table. So they come to his table and
they telling me like they telling me like, yo, that's
our table. Really, the homie chick was the one pressing
the line like this is my table. I'm like, just

(01:16:31):
say your fucking table. Fuck you talking about I just
cut to that. So I don't even know really that
that's his niggas, his cousin is Keys and Autumn. But
we in it and we back and forth. So she like,
so he's stepping up for his girl. I'm like, nigga woo.
So we're now it's a whole fucking thing between me
and my niggas. Him keeps all these other niggas. They're

(01:16:52):
like ooh, So we get into it. I'm like what
they do. I'm saying, you know, I'm gangbanging. So I'm
doing this. I get right to I get right, I
go right back to South Central. I get right back
to that and mean what nigga wool? So I'm dripping
and they like what nigga bo. So it's back and forth,
and it's up because these niggas is Virginia, rowdy, burnt
out niggas, and plus a couple other niggas like like Red.

(01:17:15):
He had a couple of it, the hommy Red and
a couple other niggas. It's a couple of buzz out here,
different niggas. And he was sliding with and they was
there and I'm I'm payd we on some show. It's up.
So it's all kind of la shit going on. So
after that, I'm like, whoah, all right, bet wool and
we don't bump into each other, nigga, because they came
and broke it off. I wold, nigga, we gonna wool,
so we lead the club whatever. The next day, Mark

(01:17:37):
Pitts calls me the next day, right, so I don't
even not even thinking about nothing. So I go into
the studio Glenn Wood and I walk in. When I
walk in, I walk by and all seven of them
niggas is sitting there in the lobby looking at me
like what the fuck? So when I walk up, they

(01:17:57):
hop up, they like, what's up with this nigga? And
I'm looking. I'm like, so I'm walking by this again,
and Mark like he come meet me in a lobby
like rock what up? So then they see Mark see
me and they know he the executive, so they're like
they kind of stopped like hold on, bro, like what
the fuck? So they on some shit. I'm on some shit.
I'm like yeah, So I tell Mark, I go in

(01:18:18):
the back. I ain't say nothing to Mark. I ain't
gonna lie. I ain't even tell him nothing. And he's
still to this day he talk to Mark Nzy always
be like Yo, this nigga. He didn't even tell him nothing.
He takes me back to room see and Glenn Wood
and he tells me, all right, Rock, just try and
create something. You know what I'm saying. We working on Chris,
and just try and create something. And I'm like, all right,

(01:18:39):
shit whatever. So I go in there and I start
creating crazy shit. Right. So the nigga come back in
like twelve minutes later, and he like, why the fuck
you didn't tell me you be beefing with these niggas.
You got in a fight with these niggas? Yes, So
Mark like, Rock, why you didn't tell me you got
in a fight with these And I'm like, but I

(01:19:01):
get to plan psychology. I'm like, so because I got
something going on with somebody's friends or posse or homies
that has something to do with an executive conversation. I
just told, you know, Chris. Then I start bringing up Chris,
like and did that, and then he like, listen, Rod,
I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna shut it down.

(01:19:22):
Don't come out this room, and you just work okay,
And I don't got time. So I'm like all right,
So I'm in the room, right and he don't come
back for like six hours. So I do five records.
Like niggas do not even a song in a day.
I did five of them, bitches. So he come back
in the room and he's like, yo, you did you

(01:19:42):
do anything. I'm like anything. So the group, so my
bands who is the engineer at the time who ended
up being my engineer for the whole album after that,
he was in there. He was like, Yo, this nigga
just did five songs. He was like, five songs. Hell no, bro,
I just did five song. He like, press play, So

(01:20:03):
a press play on this record call up Down that
you can google and actually see c be a first record.
He actually cut him one. It's called up Down. I
did this record. He like this is crazy. He like,
hold on, man, hold on. This is what I was
trying to tell niggas. So he walk out the room
and I'm like damn. So he go get Chris in

(01:20:25):
room A and Chris come walking in with fifty niggas.
Told me I'm talking about like fifty niggas, all the niggas.
I got problems with the other niggas, the niggas that
they was in there talking shit with ten at Davis
Seventh Streeter. All these niggas right, So I'm like, damn.
So they come walking. They they're so thick that they

(01:20:45):
can't even fit through the studio door. That's how many
of them niggas. It was, and bitches. Everything they gave
everybody came because they're like, let's see you with this niggas. Ok,
So I press played. He marked like, hey, play that
last song. So I don't even look at them niggas.
I just turn around to the board and press play.
And I'm like, you know that. And the way I'm

(01:21:06):
getting off, like as a dancer, like the way I
bob in, the way I moved the shit. He was like, oh,
like it immediately, but the shit was banging, so he like, damn.
So I turned like out the blue like you know,
like thirty seconds later, I'm playing, and that nigga back
there like right, but the niggas behind him is like

(01:21:29):
Dave was not with nothing I was talking about. So
I'm like, damn. So he I see him, He like, hey, bro,
when it come out, he like that's fight. He loaded
up in the room. I'm like, oh okay, So he
take the record, go load it up. And then when
he loaded it up, he like, whoa you come back.
So I'm in there and Mark like just keep working.

(01:21:49):
So it's like twelve o'clock and I'm instilled in there working.
I did another like four records. I'm like, this is
I don't give I'm out working everybody, nigga, I'm making hits.
Fuck everybody, let's go. I'm looking shit loaded up, knock
it out. I'm free styling records. That's how crazy I
was going on these records. And then so he like
he come back in Chris like by himself. He like, hey,
come listen to this. So I'm like all right. So

(01:22:11):
I go in the room, I go listen to the record.
And when I'm listening to the record, I'm like damn.
And so he played it. He like whoa, whoa. And
now these nigga's in there bobbing because they was in
there with him and they feel like they're part of
it there. So now everybody fucking with it now. And
then so I'm in there, I come in. They still
got to stank attitude whatever, right so so so so

(01:22:37):
basically he was like, yo, I love this record. D
So he told Mark Markers like I told you this
nigga hot, and so he left you. When we was leaving,
he was like, I'm about to go home, but listen, bro.
After I get off community service, like meet me here
like like come tomorrow, Bro. I'm like all right, for sure. Yeah,
Chris tell me like come tomorrow. Yeah. He's like at
the community service like come tomorrow. I'm like all right. Show.

(01:23:00):
Oh So I tell Mark like, hey, Chris told me
to come tomorrow. Should I come? He like, yeah, nigga, come,
what the hell did you talk about? Come and stop
blindsiding me. I sat there and had to put my
neck in. Tina came over here and you to cuss
me out about you. I'm like, damn. So from there,
I came every day and every day I made Hit

(01:23:20):
Records until I made Find China, and then it was bad.
Then it was over. It's over, It's done. I mean crazily.
I did executive produced the like I'm from then where no,
But you know I went from executive produce. I went

(01:23:42):
from that album. So after Find China see Find China, see,
Chris was at a very different place. And this is
why me being in at Jackson House changed my life.
Because Find China changed my life. You understand what I'm
saying that was the biggest record, and it changed the radio,
and it made everybody think Michael Jackson had just died.

(01:24:05):
It made everybody. Even Janet Jackson called and said, this
is the closest thing I ever heard to my brother,
I need whoever produced this album to come do my album,
which is crazy because she didn't even know I was
dating her niece. She't even know it was me, so
but that's a different story. But what I'm saying is fine.
China was so massive and it hit so hard that everybody.

(01:24:29):
Bruno Mars changed his sound. Everybody changed their sound and
went to that. Bruno Mars went from beautiful girls to
now everybody's in the eighties. I don't want no I'm like, oh,
so all y'all want to bring basslines to the radio.
I changed music guaranteed. So once Chris did find China.
As a matter of fact, Timberland walked in the room

(01:24:50):
and then me and Timberland was locked in for about
four months straight. Timberland is the reason I did the
stuff with Beyonce. With Beyonce flew me out to Jungle
City and he brought me to at least get Timberland
brought me to some different people because me and him
was super locked in. So but he came to the
camp late after the album was damn, they're done, and
he was like he heard find China, stopped the music

(01:25:14):
and said, listen, this is the craziest shit. What the
fuck is happening? Who did this? And they was like, oh,
Chris and Allen was like that nigga. He was like, nigga,
you are not normal. Oh for shure, they're like you.
But at that time I was at I was in
the camp, his friends, it became my best friends, his cousin,
my cousin. We all together, we at the clubs together,

(01:25:36):
were moving around. I played Autumn Leaves for Rihanna and
she cried, oh he played at at least for Rihanna.
She cried Niggas like, I can't like. The records were
so vicious that it was like people couldn't believe that
niggas was creating this level of music. And that was
my time to shine. That was my time to show
the industry through the biggest artists in the world, that

(01:25:59):
I was. And so that record Fine China changed everything
because I went from that to executive producing this album.
I did not I did. I did ten records on
X on that album and I named the album X
with Diplo, Me, Diplo, Chris. We did the X, but
we actually named the album X off this record that

(01:26:20):
we did called X and it was life. That was
life changing for me. That record changed my life. And
then I went from that to doing j Lo's album,
Fergie album, Usher, Rihann, everybody you could think of it
just domino effect once they knew, oh he's him, and
the executives can get around it no more. Once show

(01:26:41):
artists are requested me, who did that? Well, who's the
nigga that's always with Chris? Who's the nigga that just
did that? Brought him? Because Chris Brown was in a
place where nobody was trying to hear his shit no more. Yeah,
there wasn't fucking with him. And then I said, well,
why don't we do a Jackson record that is going
to remind the world, like Michael Jackson was getting in

(01:27:01):
bullshit every day, dude, whack old jack Oh this is this.
But when he pressed play, oh, that ship went out
the window. And we do a Michael record. And so
when he did that, he took a risk and he
did the Michael record. They was right back on his dick.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
So now that we've gotten your full scope and your
tipping points.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Yeah, and I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I like that you got a little black listed in between.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Tried. After that, it became bad. They couldn't do it on.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
Now you've been a successful now became my best friend.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Now they're all your best friends, know, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
All of those ones. That was all they was doing this.
Who's on the phone, Oh yeah, tell him email me.
They was doing that. Damn same niggas is hitting my
line sixty dollars. My latist said, is there can I get? Oh? Oh?
Is this the same nigga that I didn't believe in me? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm a link. Oh yeah, send them through. I'm dumb

(01:27:58):
talking the niggas crazy too, don't get it twisted. I'm
letting them. I'm reminding them that they didn't believe back then.
But because I'm a scorpios, I can't. You can't forget. Yeah,
you can't forget. I'm not gonna let you forget. But
now I'll get over it. But you won't forget.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
I believe it. I'm very fair scorpios. Yeah, but now
now that you're you're you're killing it in the music game,
you're also tapping into the entrepreneur game. You're doing that.
I guess we're not going to talk about your.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Ar about skipping up till now. Yeah. Well well yeah
now we now we thirteen Grammys later, and we just
want to build. No, thirteen thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
I thought I was fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
No, I was at eleven, and then we're up for
three right now? Ok, A fourteen Yeah, that's that's all
what I'm saying. That's a hundred million records.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
We're here, We're here, yeah, right over time. But I
just want to make sure that I cover just kind
of the today's standpoint, like what's going on with you? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
We got rock wireless, Yeah, Rockstar wireless, ros Star wireless Yeah,
well yeah, because you got a transition. So making millions
of dollars and becoming a mogul in music gets you
to a place, right, And that made all my some
of my best friends like flow Rider and different people
that support me. Me and floor Rider used to sleep
on the floor at Davonte's swing studio. Yeah, if you

(01:29:22):
talked to flow Rider and be like you used to
sleep on the floor at Me and flow Rider used
to sleep on the floor at Davonte's swing studio and
we were sharing burgers and Sharon Fries and shit like that.
He got discovered, went to Miami and I think signed
a trick that year, one of them out the blue.
But we was all there, broke busted in discussion. This
is why floor Rider is one of my best friends

(01:29:42):
in the world. And it just killed that that ninety
million dollar deal with Celsius and all that time heat.
That's one of my best friends. I love floor Rider
to death. But we came from the bottom together. But
a lot of the people that I came up with
and when I became a mogan whatever situate, they support
me on a different scale because they've really seen what

(01:30:04):
I went through to become something bigger and so tech.
I've always been in a tech it was my passion forever.
Like we won the CS Award for Most Innovative Technology
in twenty thirteen for the dual screen cell phone. Me
and my partner Darius Allen, which I partnered in Rockster

(01:30:25):
Wireless with was creating cell phones, selling cell phones, tablets
with the projectors, doing stuff that people couldn't do early
and so I stick to the same code I start
with you. I'm finished, but still my partner in things
that we do. All day. I was doing tech since
I figured that tech was what's next, Crypto was what's next.

(01:30:46):
I had a million dollars in crypto. I had million
dollars in bitcoin when bitcoin was two thousand dollars. My
boy DA put me up on a play. I made
million dollars in bitcoin early. So I was on plays
everything tech early, and I was always in it, and
I was just honing creating, and so that's how I
kind of got into tech. Because music will make you

(01:31:07):
a certain amount of money, but it's a gateway drug.
And the problem is people stay in music forever. Catalog
publishing all that. That's cool, but it's limited. I take that.
I've used that gateway drug to get into a much
bigger atmosphere, and I use the connections and the people
I've built this world with to This is how beats

(01:31:28):
By Dre becomes a four billion dollar company. You take
Jimmy Iveen starts dabbling in tech, he takes the doctor
dres and now here it's the influence of this. So
Chris Brown one hundred and fifty six million followers on
just one platform. If that's your people and he pushes
a button, you now, even if it's just ten percent,

(01:31:48):
you got fifteen million users on a platform, you could
already sell the platform just off them users at one percent,
one point five million users on a platform. So once
I started to understand and extra strategies, how to do
reverse mergers and the shell companies, how to do pink sheets,
how to sit there and run stocks from the top

(01:32:08):
to the bottom. How to really understand the crypto markets,
the NFT markets, how to mint, how to understand floors,
where Ethereum went, where this is it? Solana all the coins?
How to go through different situations. I study things, and
once I started understanding where the money was, I started
to create tech companies on a scale that's like okay, music,

(01:32:31):
tech influence all in one situation. Then that's how I
got Rockstar Wireless. Did it with the head of T Mobile,
Dan Thigerson, Mike Seffert and all of them, And they
came in, They're like, yo, we support we don't have
any minority NB and os let's tag team. So we
locked in with them. Did that did the biggest deal.

(01:32:53):
We're the only black owned cell phone company and that's worldwide,
and we have better rates than everybody else. Yeah, e
racing everybody now.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
And now we know that I'm going to get a
second line. Oh yeah, get you a second oneless.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
As you know, Mint Mobile just sold for one point
four billion. That's how Ryan got his one point four billion,
as he would have had to do a lot of
movies to get that. But you know that tech takes
you somewhere else. I also have Trinity Social, which TikTok
is going out of style and they're about to get banned.
So we created a social media platform that encompasses all

(01:33:29):
of the platforms into one platform. That's why it's called Trinity.
It's like the Father, the son Hoole. It's like all
of the things in one is the Trinity. And so
it's called Trinity Social. And we have a version of
Clubhouse in there, a version of OnlyFans in there. We
have everything that Instagram gives you from feeds, you can monetize,
go lot, everything all inside one social media app. And

(01:33:51):
so that's next stuff as well as doloaded. Right now
in your app store, download Trinity Social. You'll love it
if you're tired of paying however much you're paying, and
people paying three four five hundred dollars on cell phone bills,
you can come to Rockstar wireless were given nineteen ninety nine, Like,
I don't know what you want to do. I don't
know if you beat that. I pay for it when

(01:34:12):
coming to play.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
My phone way too hot. So we gotta go, We
gotta go.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
And so I've been building heavy tech companies and running
plays and now I'm kind of the bridge between tech
companies and the music business. It's impossible to get to
a Chris Brown, It's impossible to get to a Jennifer Lopez.
It's and possible to get to a Fergie or a
Prince Royce or even like certain basketball players certain and
they're all my best friend. Like there's people I'm day

(01:34:38):
to day with. So I bridge gaps between even other
companies that I rock with, and we bridge gaps so
that their companies can scale a lot faster than the
traditional marketing of strategies, because that's really the new marketing strategy,
Like influencers and so I have, you know, kind of
ignorant amount of them, and so we go crazy and

(01:34:59):
we're all friends, Like I only mess with people that
I like, And so that's the whole situation. And I've
just been scaling and just building from there. And that's
how I you know, coming from nothing to something, that's
how that really happened. And when I tell somebody I
really was sleeping coming from nothing, that's something I really
built it break by brick by brick by step.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
I think we just learned that just now hell Broke's
head to lit to to really lit to wealthy, I
would say more wealthy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
I'm still rich. I feel like I need to get
to I'm getting to wealthy once I exit you know,
two or three of these companies or even one of
even one of them, Uh, you know, it's going to
be a wealthy situation. But until then, I would say
rich because you know, for me, uh, until you're nine
ten figures, until you're in a one hundred million range,

(01:35:51):
like ten figures. Yeah, I touched ten figures in terms
of deals, but that's ten million, nine million. I know
that's a million eleven minute. But you're talking about people
are out here running around with billions and billions and
hundreds of me. So it's like for me, I'm still
I'm gonna get to where I need to get I'm like,

(01:36:12):
I'm pushing buttons, you know what I'm saying on a
different scale. And that's why I've set things up to
make sure that the exit strategies are built. Do not
build anything in your life and without an exit strategy,
and that's how you set yourself up for failure. And
when you learn how to build an exit strategy and
anything it is, you don't want to be tied to
something forever like that get, you know, unless it's now.

(01:36:35):
I'm not talking about people, the girl, you know whatever, family,
love and friends and that's different. But I'm talking about
companies because they're stressful. You build them, do it and
then you let somebody become the machine and move and
you either sit back and just get residuals forever, or
you put it in a place where it's gone and
you win and you can relax. It's about buying an

(01:36:56):
island and you know, growing your own fruit, stuff like that.
But yeah, you know, nothing is something is a real thing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
For me, it is and well, I just want to
thank you so much for cooking for me. Oh yeah,
and probably hands down one of the best storytellers, most animated.
I loved hearing your story and thank you so much
for taking time out of your day of course to

(01:37:23):
come down here.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Yeah, I appreciate you. I'm sycause oh yeah, I'm the
AI goggles too.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
He got the AI and I'm obsessed with as.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
So you know, I'm gonna be we got a bunch
of different stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
Your I could be your test, the person that tests,
because I'll keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
But if you pass out, I don't know what to
I'm just.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
You know, but I'm saying like I could be like
the critical reviewer. I'll be like, I'll keep it all
the way real, no filter.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
I'm gonna see. I just created a pet s D
program through sound therapy through frequent ancient frequencies like war
drums and waterfall and stuff. And I'll give you that
and see how you feel after going through like the
PTSD UH sound frequency. It's to to to calm like
for really for the military, for people that are overseas,

(01:38:18):
to calm their nerves when they're in the middle of Iraq.
You can zone out and jump into you know, or
wherever you're at, jumping to a frequency therapy program that
actually is a real therapeutic situation. That's happening, and you
can you know, select being wherever you want to be
on a beach or you know wherever, and it's real time,
it's real, it's heavy, it's crazy to try it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
Reviewer, Yeah, please be a hard reviewer. I'm going to
be excited about it too.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Yeah. And then the tech ain't gonna stop, so you
just stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
I got I'm coming up with a lot of stuff, creates.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Please do Yeah, rock star follow me of course, rock
Star music R O C C S C A R
music on everything.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
Then you heard it here first While Broke, peace out guys, Yes,
yes sir. Please for more eating While Broke from iHeartRadio
and The Black Effect, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast,
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