VANESSA BELL CALLOWAY - Apricot Jalapeno Garlic Chicken and Hollywood Insights - Eating While Broke

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
I'm your host, Coleen Witt, and today we have a
very special guest, actress, producer, director Vanessa Bell Calloways in
the building.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yes, I am how are you good?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm not broke no more.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
That's why we have you here. This is uh. This
show is for the self made only club. You have
to be self made. Started from the bottom and now
we're here.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Started from the bottom, now we're here.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yes, Yes, it's an honor to have you. I was
really excited. I think I waited a couple of weeks
before we got the official yes, and I.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Was like yes.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
So I try not to get too excited because you
never know about last minute cancelations. But thank you so
much for taking time.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
When I get my word, I keep my word.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
So I try not to cancel on people once I've
said yes. But you're right, that is a possibility. It's
always a possibility. Now today, well what is a dish
you ate while you were broke? Because I know today
you're going to do something very special. I'm gonna do
something very quick that you that's inexpensive.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Okay, do today, So today I'm going.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
To show you how to do this apricot, jalipino mint,
garlic chicken and you have karaoke in it, right, you're
just that's bearing part of the marinate. But the cool
thing about this is once you do get everything and
you get it all chopped up, and you would normally
put it in like a zip like bag overnight and
then I either grill it or roast it in the

(01:48):
oven or bake it. You don't really fry it. But
then you take all the leftover marinate and you put
it in a small pot and you cook it until
it bubbles up and get all the bacteria out, and
then you take the marinate and you pour it over
the chicken.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I don't even know you could do that.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Oh, you could definitely do that when you have a
great marinad. Really you don't have to dump it. Sometimes
people add like a little like you could add a
little bit more tiocic too, So people just add water,
some people anything. But what you want to do is
you want to get on a pot. You want to
get a hot and you want to boil. When it
starts to boil, you're getting all that bacteria out.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know. That's how you make grapy.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
You take all the bottoms of a you know, the
stuff in the pan, and you have to flour to
it and you add a little bit more garlic and
water and stuff and.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
You cook it.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
And that's how you make grapely from the scrapemings at
the bottom of the pan. So you're just taking the marinate,
want you because you're gonna take the marinaate because it's sweet.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
The marionnae would burn on the.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Grill because of the Africa jelly. Okay, so you're gonna
kind of shake it off, grill the chicken. But then
you really get you shake it off. You gonna shake
it off, but it's marinated in that overnight. Of course,
we don't have time to do that right now. Yeah,
but we're just gonna pretend and that's what happens. Right
So I'm gonna get started if you don't mind.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Wow, this looks In the five minutes we've been together,
I've learned that when it comes to anything let or leafy,
like your mint leaves, to make sure that they're dry.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yes, last for me.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Then she just I said, no, you've got to pat
those dry because in order for to chop up good.
It's got to be dry, but you want to wash
it first, like you want to wash your fruits, your vegetables,
you know, your your herbs. I mean, it's just like
a lettuce, like a salad. You don't wash lettuce and
then make the salad. You got droopy lettuce, that's why.
Or just pat I've a spend thing, but I never
use it.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
It just takes too much time.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I just take paper towel and I laid my lettuce
leaves and I just pat them dry, and then I
let them sit for a minute, finish dry, and then
I chop them up and getting ready for my salad.
So any herbs anything like that that's leafy, you want
to dry at first, empty washing. But the real good
way to do is after I buy it, I wash
everything and sit it in my bin on top of
my counter, and I just let it drip dry by itself.

(03:48):
Let it air dry, okay, you know. Then I padded
dry a little bit.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Then I put in my refrigerator, so when I go
to use it, it's already clean.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
You do that for everything, like even your meat, my fruits.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
You know, not my meat, I do some like my fruits,
my herbs, anything, any veggies, any veggies I buy in
the store, and any fruits. When I get home, I
wash them really good and I set them in a
bind and I just let them sit there and kind
of drip dry.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
And then and then I'll just take a paper towel.
I love paper towels. I got you a whole roll.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'll go through that roll. Now I'm gonna paper. I
have a thing for paper towels, really do.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
It's strange, costo. But then I'll go and I'll.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Pat dry everything and then I put in my refrigerator
to when I need it.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
It's nice and Crispin Glean that's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Well, I'm thankful to you today because now that I
know you're not going to be making this dish, but
showing us how to make it.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, wear because we don't have a grill and we
don't have oven. But what you will see is you'll
see the marinade. And I think we had another. Well,
I'll take this plate or something and i'll take the
chicken off, and then you can see how much marinad
you have and how easy it is to cook it.
But to ask your question, I'm gonna talk and cook. Right,
So I'm a season my chicken first, uh, And I'm

(05:00):
gonna just take.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
A little olive oil here.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
And I don't do like choice teaspools feet and I
don't cook like that.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Oh you're a real cook.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
I'm an eye cooker. I cook. I cook like this.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
So I'm gonna shake little little gratulated garland.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
You did that gradulated? This is garlic property. This is good.
A little grands. I'm gonna have real garlic.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
What's the difference between granulated?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
I like the gradulated because it's like fine, it's kind
of like sandy, like sand. The guylic garlic powder. Some
garlic powder is like power, real powder.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Okay, that's just me. I don't that's just me, you know.
I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
I was it.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I was We didn't guys in.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
The open this to open app and make sure this
one is. It's just one over Okay, this one is
open lot' tonight.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
So I'm gonnadd a little pepper.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Right, No, I think this is open?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Is it open? Okay? There we go here. Just don't
don't waste that dumping in there. There you go. I
love the little salt.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I love how you just did that He was like,
we're not gonna waste this.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Don't waste nothing.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
I need little charioche. Oh you don't dump the whole thing. Okay,
no little charioche. And we're gonna mix it garlic, pepper, salt.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Really really like I would really go through this and
make sure everything is really season That's how I do, right,
make sure everything is really season.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Everything's on there.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
And the olive oil just helps everything.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
It's just like a Lubri kid, you know. So you
got that.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
And I like the cook with gloves just I'm because
I'm kind of fastidious and I don't like cook with
gloves at home to cook with gloves. I like the
other one, the Latex.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Oh okay, like the little black ones.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, so not in here. I'm gonna add garlic. Now
you said how much for this?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Uh? This is good.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
I think I like garlic, but I mean I'm probably
have a few more pieces.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
I think there's more I know here.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
You want to open it up for me? Is it okay?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Because I'm gonna pretend like I made this barenade myself
at home and look.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Like this is good because it's not a whole lot.
But I like garlic too. So that's the thing. So
you see that.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, garlic, it's like at least ten clothes of garlic.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Now I would have used she got pickled alipans, which
is fine.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I would have used a real hala pano. Oh, but
this is fine.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
But when you can always use fresh ingredients, okay, and
you don't.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
How do you know if that's pickles? Does it say
pickled on it?

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Because it's in a jar?

Speaker 3 (07:24):
That old Yeah, We've been in the produce section, the
little green things, and one is probably a plenty. Okay,
so because this is probably not as hot, so but
I'm not gonna put a lot on that. This is
this is the kicker rooney right here. This is apricot jelly.
So what you're doing is you're adding a garlic ea

(07:44):
flavor with a little hot but a little sweet. So
it's like as you eat it, you taste like garlic,
you taste the sweetness and you get a little bit
of a heat. So it's really cool and it's really
great for the chicken. And then we're gonna add some
men and kids like this, and you can make it
as hot as you want, less hot, less garlic. It's
like upgu like if you can make a sweeter. If
you're doing it for the kids, use more apricot jelly

(08:05):
because the kids will eat it, right, but just a
little garlic maybe and maybe not a much hallowpeeno if
your kids are funny.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
But I like this as an.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Alternative for chicken for dinner parties because everybody eats grilled
chicken and everybody eats all that stuff, right, So for
dinner parties, I'll do this, and then we'll do something
you know, we do like three proteins. I usually have
a fish, some type of steak and the chicken. And
I like to do this because I'll give a hell
of a dinner party. So anyway, so now I'm gonna
take some of this apricot jelly jeans is apricot jelly,

(08:41):
and let's see if I'm successful with this.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
But wait, you're not gonna add anything else to it.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I'm gonna put up bit more tarioca in it, but
I'm just trying.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
To see where it goes first. And you can use
water too, if you don't have to rocket, you can
use water. Do I have it on there? And I
don't think so this is not this is not my
mind at home up here. Put a little bit of
that in there.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Well, a little tariochy in there. This is not my
you know I have and just a couple of swooper
loop y'all.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
That's what I did. I did this. I said, do
do do do do. That's what I said. That's how
I think.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
I think it's Yeah, you gotta yep and the.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Okay, heard a lot mad, a little bit more tariocy
in here.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, it's looking like a little thick, thick, little sauce.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
It's a marinee but it's a sauce. You know.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Do you ever like sample the sauce before you definitely talk?

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, my god, Oh I forgot the net. That's what
I forgot.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
It's gonna be delicious.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Gotta do the net, Dan. I wish I would have
had it with the mint.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Now you're gonna you're gonna taste it again with the mint.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
That little mixture right there.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
See integrate.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Let that little mixture right there is gonna get me remarried.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Okay, So yeah, here we go. That's how it's supposed
to look.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
I got a different Yeah, I'm gonna just get right
here on the side.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Mm hmm. That meant now, so I would probably have
more mint. We just used the bitch you have it? Yeah, yeah,
but you can taste it.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
You can taste the men and you can taste the garlic.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
So you want to go through at least two packs.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Of men once. Of all, it depends on how much
chicken you're doing.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Oh okay, but if you got a lot of chickens
in your you need a lot of mint. I would
use definitely, Like I don't really taste the jalapenos as
much as i'd.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Like to know, but you can still taste. It's a
little kid.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Taste it, you know. Let's just put a couple more
in here.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
But I would like to hear I would like to
taste the halo penos a little bit more. So, look
you see what that looks like. And then I like
to give my a little spray.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
From we have the red one right there.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yes, lords, I don't like to waste nothing. I love
that I don't waste nothing.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Dang that so good. I would be making a boatlo,
can you just make it and then let it set
in your friends?

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Mean, because it's got our oil is all done. You
can definitely do things like overnight this for a couple
of days. Okay, so you have a dinner party on
Friday and you're gonna be busy Thursday. You can do this, wizard.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
You and these dinner parties. I don't think I've ever
had a real dinner party.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
You a grown woman. You gotta have a real dinner party. Yeah,
there's nothing like a great dinner party.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
M But you could do this literally like instead it
a refrigerator in a zip black bag for a couple
of days. It's gonna be fine til you get til
you get to cook it. Okay, so you see.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
All that right there, Yeah, in that grade that looks
the l Well, let me just tell you something that
tastes so good.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
I see that.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, Now I.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Would put this, like I said, in a zip black
bag just like this, and and as you go back
you taste you could say, that's why you gonna take Oh,
I think I'm wanna a little bit more, a little
bit more garlic, poper. Oh wanna add a little bit
more PEPPERII thing, you know, And I think it needs
a little bit more salt.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
It needs a little more salt, alright, And then you.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
That looks delicious.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Then, so now don't you have to take the chicken out.
But this is what you would do.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
So say you do?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Now you got this out of.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
No tong to Nope, okay, I'll use a fork. Say
you got this out?

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Now you know of your bag, your plastic bag, and
it's time to grill. Well, like I said.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Before, this is sugar. So you got to watch it on.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
The grill because it will burn quick.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
But isn't it like that good burn Because you.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Gotta watch it though you fame is not too high
and you gotta watch it. But even if you just
you could just like like I said, you could bake
it or roast it in your oven. So but you
see how this has.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
The flavor on it? Yeah, okay, so we just say
that all this Now, I.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Just want to show you how the the marinate looks like.
So you do this. This is how you're gonna cook it.
You're not gonna cook all that stuff on it, right.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
You want to get the access off.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
You're gonna get the access off and cook it in
the flavor.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
You get the idea, Yeah, I get the idea.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
So, but I just want to show how much of
much of this marinate it's left over?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
How much Marionnate you have and then you chase that.
I think I want a little bit more tariocic.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
I mean you chase that's it tastes so good. I
feel like that apricotsious.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
You change the game. Kids like this chicken too, by
the way, So say you see that mayor Nate m
Now you can even make more, but I'll tell you
if you don't need it, because by the time, because
this has an on it, and I would add like
maybe a little bit more cheriochy to it, some more seasoning.
You could add more garlic or whatever you want. But
you see that, Yeah, it's time. You boil this up.

(13:23):
Then you pour it back over the cooked chicken.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Okay, and that gives you a little extra sauce.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
That's awesome, right.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
That's it. We'll put this.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
It looks deliciously.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
She says, she's gonna take this home to night cook.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
We're gonnah, you don't get a post on your social
where it's gonna be like it was a hit tonight,
then it was a hit.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Right. It's definitely better when you marinated overnight, or at
least do it in the morning before you go to work,
and then when you come home from work you can
have it Oh, I'm gonna put this messiness over here,
all the stuff that we use right here, so we can.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Have perfect Now we can get into your story.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Really.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Definitely, try to have that marinate as long as you can,
at least the morning before you go to work. I
know sometimes I used to do that when my kids
were little. Before I went to the studio, I would
get up and get you know, things all cooked and
ready to go. And so when I got home, all
I had to do was just do the food.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
You know.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I love how you're cleaning up too.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I always got clean clean up after yourself immediately when
you cook.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
That's always the best thing to do.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Like, if I was at home, I'd be washing all
this in my sink right now.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
That's the best way to do it.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
That's how I am. I like, I can't even start
cooking unless the house is like, yeah, the kitchen has
to be met.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Everything has to be nice and okay.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
But so you have it there, we have it, have it,
have it.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
It now, And now I can sit down and tell
us about these broke dishes you was eating.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
You don't want to know what I ate when I
was broke it. I gotta paint the picture for you.
I was right out of Ohio University. When I graduated,
I moved to New York. New York is a very
expensive city, and I was dancing on scholarship with Alvin Ailey.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
So I was dancing. I was a dancer first.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Is that what you went to school for?

Speaker 3 (15:24):
My Bachelor of Fine Arts concentration in dance. So I'm
in New York City dancing and.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I got a waitress job.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Then I worked like two three nights, you know, at
the Cellar, which was a very prominent dominic in American place.
It was very popular in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
It was on ninety six and Columbus Avenue. So I
would get a free dinner. When you worked, you got
a dinner. So I love the nights that I worked
because I ate Otherwise I ate oatmeal and yogurt.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, oh say it was packet oatmeal at that Yeah,
that's the only one I eat.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
And fruit, That's what I had fruit.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
But mainly the free the free meals of the free
meals was I knew.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
I got a meal that day, and I ate oat meal.
I ate yogurt, and you buy the fruit off the
street and buy fruit. I didn't have a lot of girl,
I didn't have a lot of money for food, for groceries.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Did you have a lot of roommates too?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Not just I was by myself.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
I'm really were you like you New York had a
studio apartment downtown Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I'm not a roommate girl.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Okay, So yeah, so that's what I ate.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
And then when I got money, then I started cookie.
I had learned how to cook better, is because I
finally got married, you know, after a while.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
But I would get the.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Little of the little fish what are they call porgeese
that was that was famous in New York.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Porgiese. They were like about this big and I would
bake those.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
I ate a lot of porgies and then I eat
a lot of veggies, kind of like what I do today.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Actually, my my diet.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Is not a lot different from what it was then
because I was a dancer and you know, I was
very healthy. But I ate a lot of little porgiese
eight cheap fish and veggies and.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yo, you know, I ate yogurt and oatmeal first.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
And then after I started working saving money, I started eating,
you know, a little bit more of stuff that I
could afford to buy go to the grocery store. But
I just don't want to always by just enough because
I didn't want to waste food, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
And so yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Your mission when you were coming to New York was
to be a dancer in a.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Theater, dancer, to do the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, so while you were going through that, what was
your next big play in that struggle life?

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Like? What was that where you had to get you
had to get seen, you had to get.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
A job first.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
But you were working at the cellar.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
And then I was working at the cellar because I
needed some money. I had to pay rent.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
But that had nothing to do with my career, although
I did get my very first commercial out.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Of the cellar.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
For the people that live in New York that listen
to you, they might recall a commercial called, oh die hand,
it's about it's a hairwave commercial. Now, this was when
hair weeds, I mean when they just came out. So
it was horrible, the hair he was horrible, and it
was this salon. Matter of fact, I had to call
them years later and say cease and dismiss because they

(18:07):
were still trying to use the old Diane hair commercial.
When I was Vanessa Bell and then after I became
Vanessa Bell Callaway and famous, they were.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Trying to use it, so that's another story.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
And I told him to stop because that was like
a thousand years prior and I didn't sign it for that.
Vanessa Bell Collwich did not sign that, okay, you know,
and they only had that for however long they had it.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
They tried it, but you know, they stopped. I had
the lawyer stop.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
But anyway, so I got my first commercial out of there,
and then I also did some dance concert out of there.
I met George face On and he put me in
this uh a concert that he did with his.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Company, so it served his purpose.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
And then I had to I left the seller obviously
because I started to work.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I got my first.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Summer stock job, which allowed me to get my equity card.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
You know, equity is theater.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Okay, okay, And what's summer stock means?

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Summer stock is you know, you do theater around the country,
like in these different theaters that have plays during the summer.
You know, theater is really big, especially like in those
small towns. Summerstock that's what people do. They go see
the theater. And the very first show I did was
The Whiz, a summerstock and we were in somewhere in Ohio,
like and I'm from Ohio, but we were in like

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the small small towns in a while, and so I
got my equity card that way. Then I ended up
getting my SAG card, which is like for commercials, because
that I used to do a lot of commercials and
started doing a lot of commercials in New York. And
you get your after card, which is voiceovers and stuff.
Now it's SAG after, but back then it was SAG
and after they.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Were shy, were separate, Okay, So.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
I had equity first, then I got sacked and I
got after. And once you get into the unions, it
makes your life a little easier because then you're able to,
you know, audition for things, and they're able to hire
you because you're already in the union. So that held
a great deal. And then I started doing soap operas,
which was huge. No, no, take that back. I went

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on Broadway first. I did a couple of Broadway shows
and off Broadway shows. So you know, the thing is,
you said, the next thing, the next thing is just
getting a job, And when you get a job, you
gotta get that next job?

Speaker 2 (20:09):
You got a job? What's that next one?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
And then but then you when do you so once
you got your first what did you say?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
What did you call it? Shock? What did you say
it was called?

Speaker 1 (20:19):
When summerstock summers.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
That was like the very first thing I got like
this because I got there like in the summer, and
then that following summer because I had been there like working,
you know, in auditioning for almost a year. Then I
got Summer Stock and I was able to get mine.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
And that's when you officially Was that when you officially
stopped working day jobs?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Kind of yeah, kind of, well, kind because I stopped
working because I got of the jobs at other small
companies because I ended up leaving Alvin Ailey and then
I started, you know, then I was going to go
away on tour with this company for the summer. So yeah,
and after that I was able to support myself only
with jobs I didn't have to do.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I did no more waitressing or anything like that. Wow,
I just yeah, I did. That was the only thing.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I did waitress for a little bit when I first
got to New York. And I've never had to do
anything else to take care of myself.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Now, were there ever like what I call like lean seasons,
like where you were like you had to budget according
or you lived within certain of course.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
It's always you know, lean seasons. And I was I
was by myself.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
I'm single.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
And what were your parents saying during all this because
you were a young luck good luck? Were they in
support them?

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:27):
They were, but you know, I'm from Ohio and I
got no money in Ohio.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
They couldn't afford it, you know.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
I always, like I used to tell everybody that, especially
I tell my daughters.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I didn't have.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
ANESS in Tony for parents like my kids, you know,
they move away somewhere and they're set.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Like my daughter moved to New.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
York four years after she graduated from spelling, My youngest one,
she was set. We got our apartment, she hooked up out.
You don't got the apartment hooked up for I didn't
have ANESS in Tony. I was very much on my own.
I had a mask.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Because you guys still pay, Like were you paying her
bills for those four years?

Speaker 3 (21:57):
We took care of her apartment because she was right
out of college.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I know, to be on the Vanessa and TONI you said,
Vanessa TONI plan, yeah, shout out.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
She was working, you know, we we were helping her out.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
But I had a mattress and a dresser was on
the no and eating I'm telling you a match and
a dresser eating oatmeal and yogurt and fruit.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I just stay full. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
And I was in class all day too. So you
were just focused, you weren't. You weren't minding none of that.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, I was just you know.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
I didn't go all you know, I didn't go out
like the way I party and hang.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Out and go to dinners. Now.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Never did that in New York. I didn't people do it,
but I didn't, you know, the money I had I
had to save, you know. Yeah, but I was But
I was smart because what I did, especially when I
got on all my children, if I did while I
was on Broadway. There's a thing called the credit union, right,
So what I would have the credit union do, and

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you got paid every week, I would have them take
out some of my money and keep it, and that
I would live off of the money that I litted myself.
And you always got one of your checks, one of
your pay check should always pay your rent, at least
one of them, if not one and a half of
the next one. But if you can have one paycheck, really,
they'll tell you one paycheck out of the month should
pay your rent.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
So I adapted that.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Theory, so i'd have I looked at my rent and
I said, okay, my money and said, okay, this this
is enough for my bill money, this is how much
I need to live, and then this can be put away.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
So and you started that young, I started that young.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
So in doing that, then when I got to all
my children, and I was making more money than I
was making my brother because I was in the original
company of dream Girls. And when I tell you I
made like five hundred and seventy five, I'll never get it.
I made five hundred seventy five dollars a week, wow,
which is not nothing? Which is nothing then eight so

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that's like almost two thousand dollars a month, right, But
like I said, that was the eighties.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
But then when I got on all my children, I
was making like five something an episode, and then sometimes
I would work three episodes.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
It depends.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
I would work sometimes, you know, soap o interesting. You
could work one day that week, you could work five
days that we depends on your storyline, But I was
having all my money go to the credit union. So
when I left to come out here from New York.
When I finally left New York to move out here,
I had so much money saved up.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
But did you ever check those balances to see what
was in there?

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (24:18):
And then to backtrack the soap operas, because I'm always
curious about this. Is it true that they like, have
you like memorized your lines every day and the next
day you have to like record them?

Speaker 2 (24:26):
No?

Speaker 1 (24:27):
No, no, you're good day that day, so you get
it that day.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Okay, I'm gonna give you a life of a soap opera.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
When I was in the storyline with Debbie Morgan and
Darnell Williams and we were very popular. Let's say I
worked four days that week. I might work Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday.
Let's just say that. So Monday we come and you
do what they call the prolog. You get there like
seven o'clock in the morning and you start blocking everything.
So you could be anywhere from like the prolog, and

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you could be at one, two, three. There's usually six acts,
five and six. Maybe there's only one segment. You're not
in or two segments. So you're blocking that in the
morning and then you go hair and makeup and then
you block and shoot. So then you go out to
the student to the set and you actually run it
and shoot it. So you got to know those lines
by then. But now you're on the next day as well.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Oh my goodness, so you've got to take that's a
lot us.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
You got to take the script from now it's that stress.
It's just you know, you got a memory.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, so now you got to take the script.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
So now you shooting Monday, but you gotta you start
working on Tuesday script because you've got to be in
a lot of scenes the next day.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
So you got to learn that.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
So it's just it's just it becomes a habit. You
learn how to do it, and it becomes easier than
you think, you know, because it's a technique to how
you do all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
So, yeah, were there any like but was there a
pressure like if you messed up your lines? Were they
like anal abowel?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
No, soap barbers, they are not anal If you if
you wanted a chance to redo something, you had to
really mess up, because I mean, in a way, it's
kind of like they let real life happen. So like
when we're having a conversation here, if you go and
you stumbled, that's that's kind of natural, right, yeah, right,
Well if it has to be horrific for the soap
operas to say cut, do that again, because if we're

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talking and I said, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Girl, they gonna keep going okay, okay, you know, because
it's like, what was your thoughts when you landed your
soap opera though? Like, what was that? Can you take
me back to that moment where you're like, oh.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Well, visualized being on all my children when I tell
you so much. I saw it in my dreams. I
knew it was gonna happen. I manifested it, and I
used to send them stuff every month like, hey, I'm
you know, I'm in this, I'm in that, sending pictures
of me, you know, just reminding them by who I was.
So I was determined to get on that show, and

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I just when it happened. I wasn't surprised because I
knew the mental energy that I put into it, but
I was delighted and I was determined that that was
gonna work.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
So you for it, Oh no, you put it that work.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
No, I'll put that work in for that.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
It wasn't just a like, I mean I had.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
An audition, but you got to get to the point
where they called you into audition.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, that's the art, and you were putting in net
work for that call.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
I put in that work.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
I stayed in touch with the casting people and I
used to send them stuff like every week.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Wow, is that now for the rest of your career?
Was it that difficult or or did you always difficult?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
You know, it's never easy and just go oh, when
did you make it? Nobody's ever made it. Even the
people who who've made it, they're still trying to get
the next level of something, whatever that is for them.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
So it's always difficult, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Do you well even hearing that, do you are there
people or have you faced that point where you're like,
it's gotten to the point where maybe things have slowed
down to the point where you're like, oh.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
No, no, it's because it's a different time and I'm
a different age, different category, a different everything. It actually
has been very good, you know, because there's more programming,
there's more stations, there's more shows because you know, all
the streaming and you know, Back in the day there
was NBCCBS and ABC that was it Fox, and those

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guys hadn't even been created yet when I haven't.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Got out of college and started.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
So the competition was very difficult, and they weren't working.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Black girls weren't working.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's only like a handful of
them that keep getting the same.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
They sanctioned a few, and if you wasn't in that list,
I don't care how good you work.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
It was difficult.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
It's in a sense a little bit easier now, not
as easy as it should be, not as vast as
it should be.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Because there's more. You know, if I were the.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Age I was back then at the time, this time
right now, oh, I'd be killing it.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
You think. So, I do think it's harder because of
the stream I got more options.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I mean, there's more if.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
But is the pay still the same like with streaming services,
because I've seen something, Well.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
I'm not really addressing the pay because the pay is
everything is negotiable. There's no contract that's the same. So
that's really depending on who you are, your value, and
who negotiates for you. So that's that's a different topic.
I'm talking about the opportunities because when I was right
out of college, it was very difficult.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
You know. I was able to do a lot of commercials.
I was able to do Broadway and off Broadway.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
I finally got into soap operas, but it was hard
because they weren't letting black girls work, not the way
you see all these little.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Black girls working now. Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
If I if I had the talents I had then
and I was, you know, submerged in this market, now,
who knows what would happen?

Speaker 2 (29:33):
You know?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Now is there more competition, Yes, but there's a lot
more opportunities because back then it's like it was hard,
you know, because you just didn't they sanctioned two or
three people to be the.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Female stars.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, and then like I felt like for a long
time it was like only the light skinned and then
now definitely now it's definitely taking turns.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Definitely, Yeah, you know that people.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
It's more recently than now.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
I think that it still hasn't changed. It still is now.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
It still is. But I feel like after Wakanda, you
started to see and it literally means.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
I'm gonna say all that, but it's still it's hard
to do that. I mean, I look at commercials, look
at commercials, and now we're getting on the subject. I
don't know we're digressing, but I look at commercial and
it's I'm not you know, trust me. I love all
my sisters. We are all beautiful. I love my brother.
So I'm not saying it's to be condescending or anything
to anybody or there because we can't help the color

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we are.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Who are mom and daddy was how we came out.
We can't have that. But it's just interested to me.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Every time I look at these commercials, it's a dark
skinned brother with a light skinned woman the wife. It
always is now and then you'll see a dark skinned
sister with a dark skinned brother. But it's like, what
is this formula that they think they have to use?

Speaker 1 (30:47):
I think right now that everyone's trying to play it's
almost like too I hate to say it too too fair,
Like everything has to be like we have to have
one for each category race. It doesn't matter if someone's
super to it or not. I feel like every network
plays it super safe and growing up, I'm mixed. But
growing up I used to hate that I didn't see mixed. Ever,

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I never saw mixed relationships growing up. Now, it's like,
now all you do is see everything.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Back then, they would never have a black man with
a white woman. Okay, so it's kind of like a
give and take. A lot of things have grown and progressed,
and a lot of things are like, okay, y'all staying
there a little too long?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Can we yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
You know what I mean, y'all stayed I mean, we
get that, and it's cool and that's right, and it's
good to show that, but can we show some of
this other stuff over here? But you know, it's gonna
take time for everything. But no, I think that now.
I worked so much now, I mean, I mean, I've
been blessed. I've worked my whole career, even when it
was difficult to get a.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
We talked some of your credits.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I tell you some.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Of those years it was difficult to get stuff, but
I just stayed in it. And I've always taken care
of myself and I think that happens and I've always
and I'm very professional and that definitely helps.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
And so so.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
I mean I'm good. It's you know, I constantly work.
Now you know, I'm starting in shows. I got my
black Hampton Show, going back on Vince Staples Show. You know,
I just got off a Broadway six months doing Parley
in New York, so you know.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
A lot of things, a lot of I got a
couple of movies coming out, So you know, do you
still have to audition?

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yes, unfortunately do you do?

Speaker 1 (32:21):
You hate it when I.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Hate auditioning, hate it with the passion. But you know,
it's like some people call me and say, hey, Vanessa,
do this, and then some people say, you.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Know, we need to see her, We just need to
see her do this.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
So then you you're your foot with the task of
you know, your eagle could get ahead of you and
go like.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Y'ah, yeah, just over to me now.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
But if it's a part you really want, it was
a good part, do you say flip them off or
do you say okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
What role do you think, in particular change the trajectory
of your career.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Do you feel I think that I don't think it's
one role. I think that it's just was timing with
several roles. But of course, if you say it was
one of the most memorable that people love is coming
to America, ones love got to do with it you know.
But but but that didn't change my career like you
would think, Yeah, that's the same. I'm gonna just give
you an example. That same year, Meg Ryan was in

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was it Officer and Gentlemen? Which one was that she
was a friend with Anthony Edwards? It was either top
with one top gun, so it must have been off anyway.
She was in one of them movies with Tom Cruise.
She played the girlfriend, and Paramount released my move and
released her movie.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
They made her a star. I didn't get a job
after that.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
People talked about me like, oh my god, you're so beautiful.
They called me in and had like this little general
meeting with a bunch of people just to say they
did and gave me nothing else after that they made
her a movie star. But you're talking about nineteen eighty
and nineteen eighty nine, Yeah, that time. But that's my point,
exactly what I'm saying about before you're talk about nineteen
eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
So I just see what you're saying. I think that
there is so many roles that you play world.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I think now that.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Role would really really like if I did that role
now the age I was then, it probably would have
spun off to a whole lot of things. Yeah, but
I'm grateful. You know, your journey is your journey. My
trajectory is my trajectory. It is what it is. I
am who I am because of all those things. And
guess what, you can't go back change it, So you
might as well just moving forward and be appreciative to

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what you had, right.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, but I love to hear that you work for
I think that in today's age, everyone thinks it's just
like you get this one big role and then that's it.
You don't have to audition, you don't have to try out,
you don't have to network. Do you still network?

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Of course I do.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
You do.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
I go to thing I go to in the order
you get the unless you want to be bothered. But
I get up and I go to things I should
go to so I could see people that I need
to see to say, reconnect, because it's not that people
don't like you.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
They if they don't see, they don't think about you.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
So if you stay in the house and stay out
of you know, the public, then people forget about you.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
But not to me.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
That you got to be like miss thing and everything
in the open of an envelope. But some things you
need to attend if you can, so you can hobnob
and rub elbows and hey, good to see.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
You know. Some people go you know what.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, yeah. I had a guest say on one of
our episodes that she would just do at least thirty
minutes to forty five minutes. She didn't just go do
her time, and then you know, get out.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
But I don't go to everything.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
I go to things either i'm invited for that I
want to be bothered with, you know, or things that
I know would benefit me, or things that I'm affiliating
with because maybe it's a you know, a cast party
or a screening or something like that. But I definitely
get out as much as I can because it's important.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
And then for you, you have a team. I know
because I had to go through your team. Is it
I think I saw like Taraji or someone talk about
like all the different members on our team.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Do you have a small team. I have a very
small team right now. It's just being my manager, to
be quite honest with you, because of some other developments.
But no, I you know, I don't. I don't need
all those people to speak for me. You know, you
need a good publicist, and you need a good manager
who negotiates, and you know, sometimes if you need a lawyer.
But I don't have like a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
You know, do you have a team.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Do you usually have a publicist every time you have
a project come out or do you just keep a
publicist all year?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Wrong, I'm both. I've done both.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
I've done both because technically, when you got a project
coming out, if the publicist for the project is doing
their job properly, you shouldn't have to have your own
publicists because they should be working for you know, not
only the project, but getting you plugged in as well.
That does it always work? Absolutely not. Sometimes you have
to get your own publicists because they're focused on save

(36:58):
your number three on.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
The call sheet or number two on the caution.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yeah, they're so focused on number one they're not paying
attention to you. So then that's when you Sometimes you
have to get your own publicists so that you could
get per on the same project.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Now, when they do it for you, like say it's
a movie or a show and the publicist comes along,
this is just a me question. By the way, do
you get to select what media when they say, okay,
here's do they present all the media to you. Because
I've seen a lot of.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Polic I'm like, I'll tell you this, like when shows
come out and I ask who are they? Who's that podcast?
It's like, you know, and everybody got a podcast now.
But that don't mean I gotta be on everybody's podcast
because I'm up in your podcast. You're really not doing
nothing for me, and we're not really promoting the show
for your two thousand viewers.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
By the way, we're very thankful that you're.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
You know, but I'm not saying you, but I'm just
saying I get it. You look at it like that.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
It's like I'm enhancing your show. You're really not up
in my value of anything. So yeah, you have to
look at that and go like, and I'll say, you
give one of the other cast members to do that.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
I'm not doing these shows.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
You really, Oh yeah, but they at least present everything present.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I'll do that.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
You know that, what's this one? I'll do the big ones.
But all those thousand podcasts that start requesting you no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Well hey, that makes us more appreciative, That makes it more.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Always have a personal connection to it, or it's a
really good one, but everybody's got a podcast in their
garage somewhere, and it's like they're happy to give you.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
And they got two thousand viewer listeners. You know what
I'm saying. It's like, that's that's me doing you a favor.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
So when they have a project, you know, they were like,
we got to promote the show, I'll be like, get
one of the other cast members.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Okay, but at least they represent all of them to you,
so you could cherry pick.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Well they do.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
And sometimes they'll they I'll say this, they present what
they want to present to me. Yes, sometimes they will
veto it before it even gets to me, like, yeah,
we're not doing that.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, I've seen posts do this. Yes, I'll be like, no,
we're not gonna we're not gonna even bring that to
the cast. You know, you know this is a sidebarn.
But I could still taste some of the garlic in
that marm.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
You taste it, I'm still tasting it too.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
I literally could take it good.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Imagine that marinate and overnight.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, but I could literally the audience what I told
her real quick.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
So she doesn't have a grill, so I suggest that
she gets one of her cooking sheets. Line it with foil,
shake all the stuff off, like I said, lay it flat,
three hundred and fifty, three hundred and fifty, but watch
it because you don't want to get too dry, right,
flip it. I would say, like, that's chicken thighs and
breast on the breast.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, anyway, I hate.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Chicken breast by the way, I do too. I love it.
I love dark.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
But anyway, just look at it and if one's done,
take it out, you know, let the others cook, but
just bake it and then still cook the marinad and
pour it on top.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
It'll still worked out.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
And you could do that with rice, vegetabat rice, whatever
you want. I feel like that would be great on
a salad too. That would be on a salad, right,
have you done it?

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Though not on the salad, I have not see.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
I just talked to something, you know, you know, invite
as usually I have like a lot of baronade because
I'll make more marinate and cook it and then the
chicken's on the platter and the marinate's all on it.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
So you really get that merit, you really get that.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
But that would be great with rice though I think too.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah, see I had the right ready, I had the
rice ready.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
But I just want to share that with you guys
about how to do it if you didn't have a grilp.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
But go ahead, what advice do you would you get
to aspiring actresses and people trying to entertain and get
into the entertainment business.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
I get asked this question quite a bit, and there's
several things I always say. First of all, you got
to be You got to study. You know, I don't
care how cute you are. You just don't walk off
the street and become a good actress. It just and
you could have a natural flair for it. You know,
not everybody's born an actress. You know you gotta work
to it. But you don't think that you could just
be you and just yeah, don't work that way. You

(40:51):
gotta study. But the main thing I tell people stay ready,
to be ready? Now what does that mean? It means
different things to different people. You don't like your teeth,
maybe you feel like you're about ten pounds over weight,
you need to get something fixed on your face or
your your hair cut is not whatever that.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Means to you, do it?

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Get it ready, because if you get an oper If
somebody calls you on Friday, they want you there on Monday,
You're not gonna lose that ten pounds over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
You're not gonna be able to get your teeth fixed
over there. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
It's like, so stay ready to be ready, and then
also me spiritually, mentally and with your craft, you know,
study so because sometimes that door opened this big and
if you could either bust it open and you could
fizz out andy be like this yel connext, or you
bust it out and you kill it.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
But sometimes when that door's open, just to.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Crack, you got to be ready to go in. You
don't have time to get ready.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
That's great advice. What made you put on the director
and producer hat?

Speaker 3 (41:45):
It was a natural progression, you know, And actually I
realized I've been.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Directed for years.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
One of the very things, very first thing that director
was a music video in the eighties, when the late eighties,
eighties min eighties, when I was doing dream Girls. One
of the singers she had released the songs she was
turning to an album, and I directed her music video.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
This is when music videos first came out.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Oh wow, and I recently.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Ran across it and it actually wasn't that bad. I
was cracking up. But I choreographed it and I directed it.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Oh you did both? Yeah, wow, yeah wow.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
So I've been, you know, doing it for a while,
you know, you realize. And also I used to choreograph
all the stuff in high school, all the big plays
in high school, I choreographed, like junior my senior year,
the spring musicals, I was the choreographer. And then I
was on the drill team and me and my girlfriend
used to choreograph all the routines. So I've been doing
this for years, you know. And that's why, you know,

(42:41):
young kids went they're doing stuff like this, don't take
it for granted, because what you're doing is you're training.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yourself for later on. Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
And then I directed like little podcasts, little you know,
the web web series and stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
And then I went on from there.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I started directing episodic and TV emil movies and so yes,
I just I've been doing it for a while, and
it was just a natural progression because I'm in front
of the camera so much and people.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Say, oh, I don't know if I could direct that.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
See be surprised. You know more than you think you
know because you've been in the business. If you have
been in the business for a long time, and if
you have been in front of the camera, you have
absorbed so much. You know more than you think you know,
you know, and so when you get behind the camera,
it's just kind of awfuls into place and producing.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
I love.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Producing is nothing other than just putting all the little
pieces together, the people together, getting everything flowing, getting everything done.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
You know, does a producer always have to cut the
check though, or do you go out and raise.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Well, depends. When you're a one man show, you're the
producer's cut the check, raising campble doing the schedule. Yeah, exactly,
hire the people.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
It just depends. You know.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
I've been a one man show a lot, so I've done.
But when I work for networks and I do TV movies, no,
I'm just I'm a director. I get producer credit because
I also, you know, have a lot of saying of
the elements that go into the filming to the movie.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
But I don't do all the work.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Because those people they've hire people to do off those
line producers.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
And is that something you also negotiating your contracts, like
I want to produce a credit definitely most does that
help you on the back end, though, when you get
a producer.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
It does because you get producer credit. You get done
on the credit, but you get paid as.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
A producer, okay, in addition to.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Addition to acting.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
And then also you know, you got production credit. Then
once you get that set up, when you get other projects,
it's kind of like your norm. They have to respect
that she's going to be a producer on this as well,
because that's just what she does, Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
And then I but you're not writing though.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
I don't really.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
I mean, I write privately, but I'm not like, yeah,
but that's not to say it won't happen.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
But I do write.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
I feel like it's gonna happen in your future, your creative.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
It needs to.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
And I need to get off my ass and get
some stuff finished, so that too.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah. Yeah, And I'm hopefully we'll see you in the
podcast space you did.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
George, I already did.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
I had episodes you gotta go, you gotta here go
do you go to h in the Company of Friends
dot tv And you can see my uh my wepisode
that I did, my web series that I did this
called In the Company of Friends and it's a dinner
party show. I did that, and then I also did
that So Very Fanessa, which was a podcast, and I

(45:21):
did one hundred episodes from Debbie Allen to the Toy
to who else?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Who?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Did you guys want to see those episodes?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (45:30):
My god?

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Every who else?

Speaker 3 (45:31):
I mean so many people, NFL people for super Bowl people,
all kind of stars.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
I can't even think.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
And you you produced that show, and I produced that
show and directed that, booked.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
The talent and did the interviews.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
I think it's time to re release a hundred of
them I did. Yeah, that's a lot of work.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
That's a lot of work in my own web series
I did, I did, I had, I had my husband
doing craft service child.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
That's hilarious. That's hilarious, hilarious, hilarious, hilarious. How did you
find mother being a mother, actress, director, producer, Like, what

(46:19):
was the hardest part of those jobs? In juggling it?
You very supportive, you know, And and that's the only
reason I could do it, because he took on some
of the and he was always encouraging do it, do it.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
So the kids were smaller and I'm running around here.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Doing podcasts and web series and acting and and then
you know, because if you're not busy, super busy, then
you fill your life up with that and that that
becomes your project for that moment, so you keep your
creative juices flowing and you keep everything out there. I
actually got distribution for that web series. I actually got that,
got a little bit of money for that. But I

(46:56):
just did it, and I was I was one of
the lucky ones because I had my might, moved my
mother here, my husband, so I had people that can help.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Me get a little village village.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
And people that I was one of the lucky ones.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
What's like, would you say is the downside to the
industry If you had to say.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
There's a lot of downsides.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
But I still think that the equality is not quite
where it should be.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Between male and female or races.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
I'm gonna say it's several. It's racists male and female,
and agism is horrible. Agis agism is horrible in our industry.
Nobody talks about that.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah you would, But I see the way I look
at acting, and I'm definitely naive, guys, because I don't
know that much about it. But I always assumed it's
like they cast for a certain look and feel you.
I'm looking at you a person you're looking, but the
thing is extremely young.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
They you know, they're always they've gotten a little bit better,
but they always only want young projects. So it's kind
of like when people get just like, what are we
supposed to go out the pasture and die? You know,
when women get in our in our fifties or so,
you know, they now it's a little better. They are
hiring older women. You know, look at somebody like Glenn

(48:11):
Close was still killing it. But that's that's not always
a normal.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
So say someone like you, are they looking at okay,
this is your age, or they look at you because
you look I'm feel.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
They look at you.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Sometimes they look at the they look at me to say,
oh she could play that although technically on paper she's older,
but she looks like she could be that woman.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Okay, they are doing it, and then they'll say, oh.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
She's the right age for the character because her characters
same age.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
So I think it goes both ways.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
But my point is we got to get a lot
of roles so we could do that right. Yeah, yeah,
you know, everybody ain't just twenty and thirty and forty forever.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
So you're saying like most of the writings are for
that younger demo. Yeah, I saw. Did you watch the
Marlon Wayne's interview with them when he talked about John Witherspoon, No,
I didn't about Well, Marlon Wayne's had said how he
had like him and his brother had fought for John
Witherspoon to be his his dad on the show. But
when you watch that show, which I was a huge
fan of that show back then, it was like these

(49:05):
two young guys, they were cute, but John Witherspoon was
this older guy that they cast. But he literally was
like a big deal in the show. Every time he
stepped on seeing and he was older. You know, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
It's about the work you bring. You know, it's about
the work you bring.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
I mean, if you could bring what's needed and deliver,
that's what's important.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Now with the agism, do you feel pressure to do
like all the things to make.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
You look younger.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
No, I mean I just make myself look young as
I'm vain. You are goody goes a long way. I
mean as far as exercises right, taking care of my
skin I.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Mean I do that anyway.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Do you know do you and other black actresses try
to stick together when it comes to pricing, because I
heard Gabrielle Union talk about that.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
I mean, I think that depends now because like my
friends and I earned doing the same projects. So I'm
not pricing. It's none their business what I'm making. It's
none of my business what they're making.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
But if you were.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Doing a project together, you know it's okay to say, hey, girl,
make sure they give you da da da da da,
because you know, I think it's okay to checking with
if you're friendly.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Like that, because also that could backfire on you too.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
She putting up a person it could Oh yeah, that
could definitely, you know. But you know, how there is
even you have mentioned like they have their there was
a particular point where they had their five girls or
their three girls that they were there. That's who they're
gonna go to for this role. I think Gabrielle Union
had addressed like how they went to They she knew, Okay,
if I'd say this number, they're gonna go and call

(50:34):
the next girl, and the next girl and the next girl.
So she got all three all all the girls online like,
let's just stick with this number. You know this number
if you know those people well enough to do that,
you know, But what's their incentive?

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Is like, well, because if you turn it down, then
they coming to me. Yeah, you know, I'm having a
piece of hair on my Facebook. Take it off, you know,
So what's her incentive? Just to stick to your number?
Then theyga just gonna come back to you and give
it to you.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I mean, I hear what.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
She's saying, but it could easily.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Because it's like, although you're close that number two, and
they listen, she wants.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
That job too.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Of course she may need the job, needed, wanted whatever.
So if you're like ten thousand, five thousand away and
they just dig their heirs and say no, we're not
giving you an extra ten thousand, you can't call the
other person say turn down that job because they're not
give me the ten thousand. Because another person admit that
whatever that is might be good for them right now,
they're like, Okay, this is five thousand or seven thousand

(51:28):
less than ten thousand. You're gonna pay Gabby, But I
kind of want that job. I want the part, and
I'll take it. So I get what she's saying, but
you calling those other people said that if you all
like are doing, are you already cast in a movie
that's different, See the three people are cast for a
different parts, then you stick together, like, hey, let's make
them pay us because because whoever number one is gonna

(51:49):
get more.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Than number three. That's just that's just where that is.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
So you could say, hey, then people don't want to
tell you what they're making. Do That's the other thing too,
People don't want to tell you what they're making. But
you can stick together, like make sure we get all
of the amenities and stuff that we want. But if
you're not cast and they're gonna look at the three
of us for this one role and we all say, okay,
we're not gonna do it for less than one hundred
thousand dollars, what is there?

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I don't you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Yeah, no, it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
They'll go back to number one.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
But why is number two saying I'm doing I'm not
gonna do it less for one hundred thousand, Because then
number three says I'm not gonna do less for one
hundred thousand. Then they're gonna go to number four and
she'll say I'll take the seventy five thousand.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
So now three people just got out of a job
and I'm just saying no, and I understand your argument,
and I understand what you're trying to fight for. But
that fourth person is taking that job because she needs it,
and she's gonna like that's seventy five thousand.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
I'm just using these as numbers.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
You know that seventy five thousand sounds good to be
or that eighty thousand because they're gonna hold off for
twenty thousand, all three of them.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Now, if you had to choose between a role that
is a script that's really amazing, maybe you are the lead,
maybe or not, but it's a really amazing script that
doesn't have the budget that you want, or a script
that has a huge budget but you don't like the script.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
There's no no where you're going with this. There's three reasons.
I take a job. Okay, I take a job because
the script is incredible. The money may suck, sometimes the
money is decent, but the script is good. The part
is something I just feel like I have to do.
I take a job because the people involved. This is
a camp I want to get in or camp of
people that have supported me that I like, or you know,

(53:32):
just I finally broke into this camp and the money
can sometimes be decent, great or whatever. Or I take
it because the money is fucking good and I want
the money at this point, the job could be.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
You know. So there's three reasons that I take a job.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Those are good reasons.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Those are and there's reason. You'll look up, it'll be
two out of three.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
It's a good camp and it's a great role, but
the money may suck because it's independent, or it's a
great you know role the money's decent or the you know,
you're in the good camp and the money's decent, but
the roles okay, you know it just it's.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Just do you also look at the distribution and all
of that when you're looking at it too, But you
know you do.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
But once you get in bed with people, I assume
that if I'm in bed with you know, the independent
stuff sometimes you have to look out for.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
But if I'm doing them.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
I just finished the movie with Sony that Kicky Palmer
and siss it was it.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Well, I know that they're.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Gonna try to kill it with that. I ain't got
to worry about that. I went to work, did my thing.
They already did a cut out here. The cuts good
out here.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
I'm good in it. So that's all I care about.
It is I called me when you need me, what
you're gonna do?

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
The money was and then that's a great example. The
money sucked. The money. I'm just to be honest.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
The money sucked. But it was a project I wanted
to be.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
A part of for a lot of reasons, so I
took the job.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah, you you look at it from all angles. You're
a businesswoman, actress directly, because sometimes.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
What I can't get from you now, I can get
it from you later.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, you know I agree. So how
can everyone keep up with you? And can you tell
us what projects you have coming out to that camera?

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Well, yeah, the Black Hamptons.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
We're going to go back shooting that in the next month,
and then I'm going back on The Vince Staples Show
season two. I have a Christmas movie coming out called
The Queens of Christmas.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
I'm quite sure when that's gonna air.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
And then, as I just said, I did the Scissa
and Kiki Palmer movie. I think that's coming out next spring.
But you can see me on Vanessabel Callaway. That's my Instagram.
I don't do Twitter anymore. It's just now X it
got on my nerves.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
I'll stop that.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
I don't do Facebook, but my Twitter goes to my Facebook.
I hate Facebook. I'm sorry what I hate Facebook?

Speaker 1 (55:40):
That's just what about TikTok's out?

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Nah?

Speaker 2 (55:43):
I mean TikTok.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
I haven't really gotten into it that much, you know,
but I'll.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Make it more into that.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
And I don't mind TikTok, but I just some of
my Facebook I just never liked.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Really all my nerves, I still it's just all is.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
Yeah, it's just it's spy on all your people you
went to high school with.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
It's like all this other miscellaneous stuff. So do I
have fan pages for face so you can't go on
Facebook because whatever I post on Instagram goes to Facebook?

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Bright, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
They. Then I have a website that needs to be updated,
but you can go to Vannicsiuvill Gallaway dot.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Com and then you go in the Company of Friends dot.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Tv and you can see my That's a very nest
podcast and my Intercompany of Friends, my web series that
I did before everybody was doing them. I did this
stuff before everybody, way before everybody else started. Now everybody
does it, but I did it way before everybody else
was doing it.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
I feel like you could recycle some of that content.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Well, we'll talk curious.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
We'll talk about it.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
And then is there any person that you worked with
that you could give us just a fun tidbit that
you that you recollect something that would be kind of
just fun and entertaining.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Really, no, not off the top of my head. I
just had had fun every time I work.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
You know, sometimes I'm lucky and I've worked with people
more than once. We get along, we have a great time.
Some projects are a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Some projects you just go to work, do and leave.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Do you like working alongside comedians more than other people, because.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
I like working alongside actress actress.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Comedians can be very interesting to work with because they
love them, but they.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Some of them a little ad d.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
You're like, I want to get through today, right exactly,
and they're just and they go they go off and
they want to tell all these stories and they want
to do their stand up comedy for the crew because
they're always on.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Okay, they're always on which is great.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
I mean, I'm not, you know, saying anything bad about
my brothers and sisters and the comedians. But sometimes it's
actually I'm like, can we get to this scene so
I could go home, Let's go stop talking and do
the lines, let's hit it.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
I could see that. I could see that. So you
like work alongside professional actresses and actors.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
It's fun if you're doing a movie that's a comedy
and you're with a comedian, because they're gonna be fresh
and they're gonna be you kinda look like calle Berry.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I'm looking at it, tell you that a lot. Yeah,
like Cali Berry anyway, but yeah, she's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
But there's like sometimes like if you're doing a comedy
and you're in the scene with a comedian, that's great
because they're gonna give you a lot the feed off
of because they're gonna add lib. You get to add lib.
But it's gonna be that's gonna be great. But if
like I've done movies and the they just can't some
of them just can't focus and just can't come down
and focus on that scene.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I could see that.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I can only imagine. And then I had a producer
come in and you know, he was saying that if
you write one word on a song, uh, then you
could technically qualify for like a writer credit if you
even do. But when you add in a movie or
a show, you don't get nothing. Okay, that was it.
Thank you so much for for feeding my daughter me

(58:59):
the week. I will tell you how that dish came out.
But tasting the marinade alone, you're gonna make it. I'm
gonna make it. To be honest, I low key really
think I'm gonna buy a grill and try to grill
it because for some strange reason, I feel like it's
gonna taste really good.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Oh it's gonna take.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
And let me tell you, everybody, you can put this
a ziplock and you could last in refrigerator two days
before you cook. It's gonna be just fine.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna try and wait at
least twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
But I only wanted to sit up in that and
then then every now and again, go on you refrigerator
and bullsh it up.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
And change the sides, okay, you know, and then do
I take the You ever see when they get the grill,
they have the little paintbrush.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
After I do the boiling a new grill, you gotta
get that top so the chicken doesn't stick. There's ways
people do it. Some people take an onion and do
the grates.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
You know. Some people do that.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
You might want to brush it with a little pam
or a little something, because when you get a new grill,
you just don't want to throw meat and stuff on
it because it's just gonna tear up your meat and
your fish because of the grates are good. I did
not know that, so I could do onion or Yeah,
some people take an onion, okay, and then just go
and then just go through like over, like back and
forth a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
You know, you should definitely be doing a cooking show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I had one, Yeah, you one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
The show had girl had a night nightmare with an editor.
And this show never really got out because I fell
out with this editor. It was called cooking and hook
it up how to have a meal for fifty dollars
or less for young people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Okay, that's great, it was great too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
So what happened?

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
I did all these shows and then the editor based
hijacked my stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
It was girl. Oh. A couple of shows, A couple
of shows I was able to get out, but it
was I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Would have Kanye. You ever seen the episode with Kanye
they try to pull an ash because they try to
pull something on him. He grabbed his footage and ran.
That would have been me. Yeah, I be like, you
gonna give me my footage?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
But it was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
But that's just a good hack right there, Like to
do that. But I'm gonna get th gril. I plan
on doing this for real. I'm gonna get the girl
do the onion thing and then just get a little
spam or something. But do I take the little paintbrush
and then like after I boil the or like what
do you cure thet all the thing?

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
And if you want to do you know, like say,
if you decide you want to add some chicken to this,
I would make a little bit more of the baronade
and that right, and you just add it to the chicken.
But then then in the plastic bag, you're gonna do
this and try to get all of that good stuff. Yeah,
you'll turn it inside out. You have to, girl, Like
I put on my plastic gloves. I don't leave noney
to get all that good stuff into your bath and

(01:01:29):
then taste it a little bit more soft. Let me
add a little bit more terioki, oh, let me add
a little more garlic powder. Well, taste it right, okay,
and then after you you grill it. No, you don't
have to paint it on there. Just get it boiling
and take that hot little pot you know you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Need a little pot.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Yeah, a big pot, and just on top the chicken,
and then get your spatulattle and scrap.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
You're hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
You and this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Don't waste nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
I don't waste nothing. Don't waste nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
This was the great interview. Thank you so much for
your time, Vanessa.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I really pre sure. Yeah yeah, Now I gotta go
home and eat. I'm hungry little.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
I'm telling you right now, I promise you I'm gonna
take full credit for this, and I do that sometimes
you should.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I'll be like, I'm gonna tell you this too.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Any dish that you like, make it at least once
a month, and it will become your own because you'll practice,
you'll decide. You know what, I wonder what would happen
if I add Probably nothing, but it's just gonna add
to it. And if the more you do it, the
you know, the better you become at making it, and
you'll make it quicker, and you'll know the flavors that

(01:02:36):
you want, and so it will become yours.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
You will take credit for it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Have you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
This is sidebarring it. But my mom was in town,
so I was like, you have to make us to
making food like enough to last a week. So my
mom I noticed she washes all her chicken with vinegar.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Oh I don't. I just wash my chicken real good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
But I actually think it may actually make it good. Yeah,
Like I low key in the back of my mind,
I'm like, I think I'm gonna to steal that from
her because I think it makes a difference a little bit.
It did, but it just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I just washed it real good. I get a knife
and I go through and I clean everything, and I
washed it real good.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Dry.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
I've remembered the pets that dry season, and I never
had a look at I'm never looking at Boudy towels
the same after this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Thank you so much, Thank you guys. Peace out.

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