The Power of Interpretation

Your situation is not as important as your interpretation of it.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, this is Stephen Ferdick.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm the pastor of Elevation Church, and this is our
podcast and I wanted to thank you for joining us today.
Hope this inspires you. Hope it builds your faith. Hope
it gives you perspective to see God is moving.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
In your life. Enjoy the message.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Let's go in our bibles now to Genesis chapter forty
for the final week of our series. Trigger at least
I think it's the final week, but we'll preach.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
It and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I have been preaching about taking back your mind in
the age of anxiety.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
But looking at you, you.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Seem to be completely now free of stress, and it
seems as if you have gotten the message, and we
can call it quits after today. But this last message
that I want to bring to you, I hope will
be as profound to you hearing it as it was
to me as I studied for it, and ask that
you consider it peerfully, because it's one of those messages
where if you try to understand it with your mind,

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you won't get the most out of it. But if
you'll listen at a different level and see what God wants.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
To speak to you.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
I believe that he will welcome to every single location.
I pray that you would lean into this word wherever
you are and receive something from the Lord. Genesis, chapter forty,
verse five. Let's jump right into the middle of it.
And one night they both dreamed, the cupbearer and the
baker and the King of Egypt, who were confined in
the prison, each his own dream, and each dream with

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its own interpretation. When Joseph came to them in the morning,
he saw that they were trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
So he asked Pharaoh's officers, who were.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
With him in custody in his master's house, why are
your faces downcast today? And they said to him, we
have had dreams and there is no one to interpret them.
And Joseph said to them, do not interpretations belong to God?
That was the question that got me started on this
quest to preach this message today. Do not interpretations belong

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to God? Please tell them to me. Now I'm going
to do something kind of weird. I'm going to go
to a New Testament scripture. One verse of scripture that
doesn't seem to go together on the surface with the
one I just read, but it does seemed like, you know,
Peanut butter and mayonnaise, but it's really jelly. So go
to First Corinthians fourteen three, and here Paul is giving

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some instructions to the Corinthian Church about orderly worship, and
he says, therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
For the power to interpret.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Again, therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray
for the power to interpret. I want to lift that
phrase from my message title today and talk to you
about the power of interpretation. Very very, very good stuff
come in your way today from the word of God,
not from me, but from God.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
And that's really the starting point for me.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I realize that you come to church not to hear
my opinion, but to hear a correct interpretation of the
Word of God God for your life, and an application
so that it is not only a historical document, but
so that it becomes flesh, and so that the Spirit
of God would breathe into your situation. Understanding this, I've

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already mentioned that many backgrounds attend church. And when I
read First Corinthians fourteen, verse thirteen, and Paul is talking
about speaking in tongues, you know half the church had flashbacks.
And if you really want to start a good YouTube
food fight, just talk about tongues in the church, because

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some people have a private prayer language where they speak
in tongues, and it is very beautiful and helpful to
many of us who believe in Jesus to pray that way.
But yet other people have been told, well, if you
don't speak in tongues, you're not full of the Holy Spirit.
Never mind the fact that Paul here is saying that
every spiritual gift is only given to build others up,

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not to showcase your status and how much more spiritual
you are. I mean, spiritual gifts are just that there
are gifts. And what's far more important to God than
us going around condescending to others because of our spiritual gift,
is that we would cultivate the fruit of the Spirit
in our lives. Things like love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness,

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and self control. These are the graces God would have
us to grow in. But right now, if I really
preached on First Corinthians fourteen thirteen, the Elevation Church YouTube
comment section would get busier than it ever has in
the history. I don't know how you type in tongues
on a YouTube comment. But Paul is saying here what

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really matters isn't what is said as much as the
interpretation of it, because you know what's true here about
this spiritual gift of speaking in tongues, where one person
may speak in a heavenly language and someone needs to
turnpret it so that it can be understood. It is
not only true about languages, it is true about life.

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To really live successfully, or maybe we could say a
more biblical word, faithfully for God, I need the correct interpretation.
Touch somebody next to you and say I need an interpretation. Yeah,
I need an interpretation to be a good husband because
men and women are different. And if I don't learn

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to interpret, if I don't learn to understand that nothing
is wrong does not mean literally on the surface, nothing
is wrong. And by the way, most people when they
say literally, it doesn't mean literally.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I literally died. Think you mean figuratively.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Touch somebody, say I need an interpretation. I need an
interpretation to be able to raise my kids, you know,
because I'll be thinking they're ungrateful when really they're just adolescent.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
And if you want to play back the tape.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
From when I was their age, well, let's don't do that.
Touch somebody say I need an interpretation. That's what Paul
is talking about. And really, no one's life illustrates this
more than the Old Testament character Joseph. I mentioned him,
and I read this scripture that I want to revisit
now in Genesis chapter forty, concerning the power of interpretation. Well,

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you know, Joseph's life could be used to illustrate injustice.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
He was abused and actually survived, and.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
A near assassination from his brothers, and years later in
his life he was dealing with false allegations of sexual
misconduct and that landed him in prison, which is what
put him in this position in Genesis chapter forty, the
situation he was in. Okay, principle number one and this

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is not coming up on the screen, So you know,
write it down if it seems like it's worth writing
down to you, if you just got to write something down,
write this down.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
My situation is not as important as my interpretation of
my situation.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I don't mean to sound like doctor SEUs to you,
but what I'm trying to say it is a lot
of times we want an intervention from God in our
situation instead of that God will often give us a
different interpretation of the situation, and he won't necessarily change it.
He will change us in the way we see our situation.

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And one of the reasons we fight in church is
because we don't respect that other believers could read the
same scripture that we read and have a different interpretation,
and other people could watch the same news stories that
we watch and have a different interpretation, because interpretation is
based on many different things and filtered through the lens

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of your life experiences and your cultural background and even
your intellectual ability, and some of us don't have as
much to work with, and so you know, we see
things more simple than they really are, and they're really complex.
And you know, somebody says this about evolution, and somebody
says this about creation.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
But we're reading the same story.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
With a different interpretation, and it doesn't necessarily mean that
you're wrong and I'm right, and you're going to hell
and I'm going to heaven. And we get so triggered
going off on people who believe in the same God.
But just because I have a different interpretation doesn't give
you the right to be God and tell me that
my interpretation is not valid.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Come on clap like that blessed you, even though I
know has stepped on your toes a little bit.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
All right, So Joseph is in prison and he should
be in a bad mood. He should be having pity party,
day number seven hundred and forty three of his pity party,
since Potiphar's wife said, you know that he tried to
rape her, and he should.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Be reflecting on all of his brothers trying to.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Kill him, and yet he had the presence of mine,
like Reggie Miller in the thirty for thirty Dot where
he says to these men who are in prison with him,
what's wrong?

Speaker 1 (09:11):
You look sad? Now.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Imagine you've had his life, but you still are looking
at others through the lens of what's wrong with them?
And imagine you have so much resentment and you're in prison,
but yeah, you were able to still release empathy.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Instead of living in your own resentment. Y'all. I am
preaching so hard right now, and I don't even have
to raise my voice to do it. He said, what's
the matter with you, you man?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
And they said to him, we've had dreams and there's
no one interpret him. Joseph said, do not interpretations belong
to God.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Now nose why he didn't say, I have the power
of gret skul. I have the power of.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Interpretation, he said, And God can make sense of this,
who I believe deep down in your soul. That's why
you came to church, because only God can make sense
of some of the things that I feel and that
I'm going through. And I need God to make sense

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of this. So Joseph said, look, how polite he is.
Please tell them to me, please, I want to help you.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
And the chief.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Cupbearer who used to bring Pharaoh his wine, said, well,
it was weird man.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I'm gonna just tell you like I dreamed.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
It, because in the Old Testament, you know, they put
a lot more stock in their dreams than we do today.
And I don't think that you should necessarily think every
dream that you have comes from God either.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Okay, it's pizza.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
A lot of the times has had nothing to do
with the Lord or your purpose in life. But when
the man started talking, he said, it was a vine
that I saw in my dream, and then there were
like three branches coming off the vine, and then the
they were like ripe right away, and all three of
them are filled with grapes. So I started squeezing the grapes,

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and I was holding Pharaoh's cup and I handed it
back to him. What does that mean? Joseph's like three
branches three days in three days. We could preach about that,
couldn't we from the perspective of something else that happened

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after three days.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
But we're not going to do that today.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
He said, three days, Pharaoh's going to lift your head,
put you back in your rightful position.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
This is the interpretation.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Now, I remember there were two men and they both
had dreams, and the other one's standing over and he
hears the interpretation that Joseph gave to the cupbearer.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
But he's the Pharaoh's chief baker.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
And apparently Pharaoh is easily triggered because he threw both
of them in prison.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
But we don't know what for.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Maybe the brought him pumper nickel and he really wanted
rye or something like that. Or the Easter rolls weren't hot,
and so when he brings it out the bread, maybe
Pharaoh flies off the handle. And Joseph's life can be
understood through many different constructs, but one way to look
at it is there three major interpretations this is the
first one.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
He tells the cupbearer three days, Pharaoh's going to put
you back in your position.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
The baker hears this while Joseph is saying, and when
you get out of here, mention me to Pharaoh because
I don't deserve.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
To be here.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
So don't forget your boy who came through when you
get out. And the baker now he's waiting his turn
in line because he wants out of Shawshank as well.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
And so he says, ooh, ooh, ooh, do mine do
my dream? I had a dream too, Can you do
my dream? And Joseph says, tell me your dream?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Do not interpretations belong to God, And so he's expecting
a favorable interpretation, and he has a similar dream that's
different in just a small.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Tiny little way. He says, okay, I had.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Three, not three branches on a vine, because I don't
do the cup bear thing. I had three baskets of
bread and they were all full of bread.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
And then some birds came in my dream.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I know it sounds weird, but they started eating the
bread off my head. And Joseph said, oh no, And
he said oh no, he said, yeah, it means this is.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Just the interpretation, this is what it means.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Three days Pharaoh's gonna lift up your head, uh huh
and cut it off, and then the birds are going
to eat your flesh. And then Joseph took up an offering.
But see, he didn't have the power to make the dream.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Mean what he wanted it to mean.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
What he had to do was seek God to say,
what does this mean? And one meaning was you're gonna
be restored to your position, that's the stuff that preaches good.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
And one meaning is you know.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
You're actually you're actually you're actually gonna be dead three
days from now. But it was the same power that
enabled him to interpret both dreams, and it happened just
like Joseph predicted.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
The interpretation was accurate.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Three days later, the baker was dead and the cupbearer
was free. Only he forgot about Joseph, have you ever
done something for somebody? Have you ever helped somebody move
when they moved out of their apartment into their house,
and when it came time for you to move, their
truck was having some issues.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Has it ever happened to you? Have you ever raised
your kids?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
And then they got out of the house and acted
like they were too busy for you and the cats
in the cradle. Well, you can relate to Joseph because
he was forgotten in prison until one day Pharaoh. This
is the second interpretation, and there are three. This one
gets more difficult. It kind of goes in stages of
interpretation where Pharaoh has a dream and he gathers all

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of the magicians in his court to interpret his dream.
We watch what the Bible says. I believe this Genesis
forty one. Yeah, verse fifteen. Pharaoh said to Joseph, I
have had a dream, and there is no one who
can interpret it. I have heard it said of you
that when you hear a dream, you can interpret it. Now,
how did Joseph get in front of Pharaoh? I thought

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he was in prison. Well, here's what happened. When Pharaoh
had a problem, Joseph had an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
I must say that again.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
When Pharaoh came upon something that he could not solve
with his resources, it created an opportunity for someone who
knew how to interpret the times, the situation, and to bring.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Forth the solution.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Here's why I pointed that out, because sometimes we run
from stuff that God has introduced in order to bring
us into the opportunity that we were praying for. And
when Pharaoh had a dream, it was a strange dream,
and he brought Joseph and said, man, I heard about you.
And Joseph said, it's about time that dude was supposed

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to tell.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
You about me two years ago. But see, sometimes.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
God will allow people to forget about you because he
knows where you need to be for the moment you
need to come forth.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
And if you don't have.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
A relationship with God, you won't know what to do
with yourself in those times where you feel imprisoned.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
And confined. All right, So he said, heard about you.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
There's no one who can interpret my dream, but I
have heard it said of you.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
That you are.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
You are really, really brilliant at this dream interpretation stuff,
so give it a shot. And Joseph answered Pharaoh, it's
not in me. What a way to start your opportunity.
Go for a job interview, talk about I'm.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Not the one.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
But he said something similar to what he said in
verse forty. And you start to see a pattern. He said,
it's not in me. God will give Pharaoh a favorable answer,
so let's hear it. Because the power of interpretation is
not in me.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I'll get it wrong. I've learned that about myself. I'll
get it wrong every time.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Even preaching, I will mess the whole thing up. If
I preach from the perspective of how I interpret that
you are receiving the message, I start getting nervous because really,
when you're listening the most you look angry.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I'm gonna tell you that about yourself.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
When I'm really doing good, your eyebrows start making a
queue up there, and you start you start hunching forward.
And even when I'm really preaching good, you cross your
arms because I just offended something that you've been clinging to,
that God really wanted to pry out of your heart.
So when you start leaning back and stuff, start doing
all this. One woman one time looked like she was

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sleeping in my sermon. I realized she was praying for me.
He took me twenty minutes into sermon. Oh, I was
so offended. And I've learned this about myself. I will
interpret it wrong every time because the power of interpretation
is to get into the presence of God. Watch this
and say, God, what are you saying, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (18:29):
What do you want to speak? And Joseph from that
place of humility.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Here's Pharaoh's dream, and Pharaoh starts talking about cows. He's like, oh,
there were seven fat cows and seven skinny cows. I
don't know why Pharaoh's talking like this. It must be
southern Egypt, but he's like, the fat cows. First came
the fat cows, then came to skinny cows and skinny cows.
Eight the fat cows, and there were fat stalks and
skinny stalks.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
And it's a great story you can read sometimes. But josephs, oh,
that's easy.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Seven years of plenty, that's the fat cows, seven years
of famine, that's skinny cat.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
And if you save up during this fat years, you
can make it in the lean years.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
And Pharaoh said, I need somebody smart to put in
charge of saving up during the fat years. I need
somebody to manage my fat cows. And Joseph said, well, hey,
if you need somebody to manage the fat cows, maybe
the guy who told you about the fat cows would
be the one to manage the fat cows. And Pharaoh said,
you're the man. And he's second in command of all
of Egypt because of what the power of and if

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he would have given his opinion in that moment, or
if he would have interpreted that opportunity through the lens
of his own pain, he would not have had the
clarity to see God and see what God is doing.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
The second interpretation, and here's the third one. Okay, there's
a pattern.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Here's three branches on the vinus, three interpretations and joseph life.
And this one, this last one that I want to
show you, is going to be the most difficult of all,
because now Joseph has to interpret not the prisoner's dream,
the cup baker, cup baker, it's new things. Cup baker
bakes cups, the cup bearer, and the baker.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
But the second interpretation of Pharaoh's dream.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Was easy in comparison to Joseph's final test, when he
had to interpret his own dream, and to do that
he had to face his own pain, because remember I
told you when he was seventeen years old, he had
a dream where he saw all these sheaves of grain
that his brothers were out in the field harvesting, and

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his was at the middle, and they all bowed down
to him. And perhaps in his immature eagerness to be important,
he went and told his brothers what he saw, and
that's one of the reasons they hated him.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
I mean many reasons.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
His father liked him better because he came from the
wife Rachel that Jacob really loved, and his dad gave
him this Gucci coat, and so many reasons why he
was hated and theirs her from target. But it's crazy
because you know now he's standing in front of him.
READI you the passage, and you imagine how emotional this
would have been. Because the famine that Joseph predicted is

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now in full swing. It's been seven years of plenty.
Joseph has stored up all the supplies and so they're
ready for it. But he won't ready for this because
two years into the famine, seven years of plenty, and
two years into the seven year famine, Jacob sends all
of his boys, Joseph's brothers to Egypt because he heard
there was grain there, and Joseph is the one who's
in control of the pantry.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Sometimes God will test you by putting you in a
position to see how you will deal with somebody who
hurt you, and how you interpret that moment has everything
to do with what happens next and how much God
can trust you. And I'm gonna read it to you
just like it says it in verse one. Start from

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verse one of Genesis forty five. He's been with his brothers.
This is the second time that he's seen them. He's
been dealing with a wide array I'm sure of different
instincts and impulses of how.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
He should deal with them.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
He hasn't let them know yet who he is because
he's dressed like an Egyptian, and so they don't recognize him.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
You know, some people in your.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Life don't recognize the you that you are now, not
only because of what you've been through in life, but
because God has taken you to a different place.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
And what he did this very interesting.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
In Genesis forty two, it says he spoke to them
through an interpreter, so he pretended like he couldn't understand them,
and he played tricks on him. It's an epic story.
We can't preach it today because this is one principle
I'm trying to illustrate, but it would be well worth
your time to invest about forty five minutes.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
And read the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
But when he finally decided to reveal himself to his brothers.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
It triggered that trauma.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Of the day when he was so hated by them
that they dipped his robe in animal blood and sold
him to the Ishmaelit caravan, and he ended up separated
from everything that he knew.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
And in the Bible.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Says in verse one, Joseph could not control himself before
all those who stood by him, and so he cried,
make everyone go out from me, so no one stayed
with him. When Joseph made himself known to his brothers,
he's all alone in front of the thing that hurt him,

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in front of the unfair situation that started this whole
chain of events in his life. And now he has
to decide how to interpret this encounter. And I'm preaching
right to your life today, because you're standing in front
of something that hurt you.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
You're standing in front of some things.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
That happened to you or didn't happen for you that
should have, and standing before.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
His brothers, Joseph has a decision to make what is
the interpretation of this?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
And now perhaps he remembers his dream that he had
over twenty years ago where he saw all of his
brothers bowing down to him, but he realized they would
not be bowing down to him so that he could
show off in front of them, but so that he
could serve them. In this moment, he's very powerful. It's

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very powerful. What happens next, he's crying and he's hurting,
and finally he reveals himself. In verse three, Joseph said
to his brothers, I am Joseph. Is my father still alive?
But his brothers could not answer him, for they were
dismayed at his presence. And so Joseph said to his brothers,

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come near to me, please, because you really can't interpret
what God is doing in your life from a distance.
And he has to call the thing that has caused
him so much pain closer in order to see what
God would have him to do. And when they come closer,
he identifies himself again and said, I am your brother.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Joseph doesn't disassociate himself from them.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
He acknowledges his position before them, and then he mentions
what they did to him, whom you sold into Egypt.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
In other words, it is your fault. I'm here verse five.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
And now do not be distressed or angry with yourselves.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Because you sold me here.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
For God sent me before you to preserve life.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I'm gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
I really had to pray about that verse because it
seemed like such a contradiction. He said, On one hand,
please put it on the screen for just another moment.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
You sold me. Do you see that you sold me?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
So he is placing the blame for his situation on
his brothers who stand before him. He's not denying their
hand in bringing him into this situation, nor is he
denying the dysfunction of it. You sold me, and it
was wrong. You sold me out, you let me down.

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You are the reason. On one hand that I'm here.
I would not be in Egypt. I would be back
home if it were not for you. But watch the shift.
This is the message that God gave me for somebody today,
and I pray that you'll have ears to hear it
and that God will will.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Enlighten your spirit to receive it.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
He said, you sold me here for God sent me
before you to preserve life. And what I was praying
about is which one is it? Did they sell you
or did God send you? And I kept praying about
that because it sounds like he's talking out of both
sides of his mouth, you sold me for God sent me.

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Notice the construct. He doesn't say you sold me, but
God sent me. It's not even that he's contrasting the two.
The second is a continuation of the first. God help
me preach this Bible verse right now. This is the
most anointed verse I've read all year. He said, you
sold me, and it hurt me not but you sold me.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
For God sent me.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Don't be mad about it, don't even punish yourself, and
don't cower in my presence. You don't need to spend
another day tormented by it, because now I see through it.
It's been a lot of years since you pushed me
in that pit. It's been a lot of years since
you broke my heart. It's been a lot of years
since my dad left me. It's been a lot of

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years since they walked out. It's been a lot of
years since I went down. It's been a lot of
years since.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
They lied on me. It's been a lot of years
since they said I did it. It's been a lot
of years, And now.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
I've got a I've got an interpretation of the event.
I've been studying about this, and I realize it is
not the event that determines the outcome.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
It is your interpretation of.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
The event that determines the outcome.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
And so watch this you'll be good. Sit down.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
The first one is the event you sold me. The
second one is the interpretation God sent me.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Which one are you going.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
To live in the event or the interpretation? And here's
a better question. Here's a better question. Who is your interpreter?
Are you interpreting your God through your life or your
life through your God? Because see your interpreter. Sometimes it's

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not what's happening, it's how you are interpreting what's happening.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Right. I thought she was sleeping, but she was really praying.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I thought they didn't love me, but really they just
couldn't be there for me because they were going through
some of their own issues. Is not the event, it's
the interpretation. I thought the fire came to kill me,
but I found out God was using the fire that
I thought was gonna kill me to refine me. So
God will use a fire that nippechanesser started to refine.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Me and bring me forth this gold.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I don't just need the spirit of God to help
me interpret tongues. I need God to help me interpret trauma.
And trouble and trials, and so I'm praying like Paul
told the church, to pray for the power to interpret.
I need the power to interpret. How many of you

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need the power to interpret by the wisdom of the
Spirit of God. You don't need the spirit of God
to give you goose bumps. A lot of things can
give you goosebumps. You know, if you put on Mariah Carey,
I can make it through the rain right now. It's
one of her lesser known hits, just off the album
with the rainbow on it where she's not wearing enough clothes.
So I never looked at the cover when I was

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a teenager. Well, anyway, the problem with that, it can
give you a feeling. I don't need the spirit of
God just to give me a feeling. If it's a feeling, great,
But I need the Spirit of God to give me focus.
The unique property of the Spirit of God. You know,
you got the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

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The Father that's the legislative branch of the government of God.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
He's the one who makes the laws.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
You've got the Son, who is the executive branch of
the government of Heaven, who enforces the grace of God
and takes the penalty of your sin because you can't
keep the law.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
And then you've got the.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Judicial branch, which is the Holy Spirit which lives inside
of you. That helps you to get in a situation
and say, I don't know what to do, I don't
know what to say, but God, will you give me
an interpretation of what the people in my life need
right now this season I'm in right now, I need.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
The Holy Spirit.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Or I'll get it wrong. I'll get it wrong. And
some of us have the wrong interpreter. We are interpreting
our present through our past. We are interpreting our purpose
through our pain. We are interpreting our entire life through
one little situation. We are interpreting our future through our flaws.

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When you have the wrong interpreter, messages everything up. The
first time I went to speak in a country where
they didn't speak English, the first international speaking trip that
I remember was Australia that they speak kind of English.
I have to pick on the ossis they shorten everything,
kind of speak English, but they nickname everything.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
They call praise songs praisees, and that's weird.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
And when I go over there, they don't call me Steve,
and they call me Steve, and there's an inn on
my name for a reason my mom put it there.
Would you please let my consonants come through customs and
put the in on the end of my name.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I love Australia. I've been there many times.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
But one time I went to preach in a place
where they didn't speak English, and I called a wiser
minister who had preached many times in international settings, and said,
give me some just different things I need to know
about preaching through an interpreter. Translator is for written, interpreter
is for spoken. I said, I need some of your

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wisdom on speaking through an interpreter. He gave me a
few things, but one thing he said that stood out.
He said, First, pray that you get a good one.
He said, because you'll think that he's saying what you said,
and sometimes you can tell. I said, how will I
tell if I have a bad interpreter? He said, one thing,
he'll talk longer than you. When you finish your sentence,
he'll say three sentences. That means he's putting something in

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that you didn't intend to say.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Can I tell you all something?

Speaker 2 (33:07):
The devil has been putting some stuff in come on
between what God has spoken to you. He puts thoughts
in people's minds about you, in your mind that they
weren't even thinking about you.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Makes you paranoid. Oh man, look how they're looking at me.
They don't like me.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
No, they actually don't like their husband, and they came
to work in a bad mood because of something else
that had nothing to do with you. But the devil
will make you think that they don't like you because
he's an.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Interpreter that likes to add. He puts all that you have.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
You ever had this happen before in a situation where
you start interpreting it wrong, And now all of a
sudden you're thinking that they said things or thought things
that they didn't say or think. He said, the other
extreme you got to look out for. Sometimes they won't
say everything that you just they'll cut it short, he said.
Sometimes they'll leave stuff out. And that's what the enemy

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will do when you let him interpret your life. He'll
only show you what's wrong with you. But he won't
let you see how God is going to use everything
that you consider to be a deficiency to bring you
into your destiny. So he will only keep you confined
come on church. That golf clap that's not even worth

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doing if you're going to brace God and worship God
for what he's spoken over your life, and the fact
that no man can add to it or subtract from it.
If he said it, it will happen. If he said in.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Three days he will rise.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I might be on a cross now, baby, but resurrection
power is in my god future. So before we leave
this place today, I just want to give you five
things to pray for. Don't get nervous where we are

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now approaching our initial dissent.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Make sure your bibles are securely open.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
But I thought we would just spell out the word dream,
because Joseph interpreted not only the dream of the prisoners,
not only the dream of Pharaoh, but his own dream
that he had at seventeen years old, not through the
lens of what he had lost in his life.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
You know how you keep doing it? You keep get
You keep focusing so much on.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Who left you and the opportunity that you wasted that
you keep bringing that forward with you into the next opportunity.
And it's messing with you and you need the Holy Spirit.
This is what the Holy Spirit does speak in tongues.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
That's awesome. Shout at the top of your lungs, that's awesome.
Get a goosebump. I'll get one with you.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
We'll go, we'll goose will rub our goosebumps together.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
It's all wonderful.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
But what I really need the spirit of God for
it is for those groans that words can't express.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
And I'll give them to you and we'll go and
we'll call it a day, and we'll call it a series.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
But the first one that I'm praying for the power
to interpret, like Paul said, because I know that interpretations
belong to God. So I need God, God help me
to interpret my desires. I don't sometimes know why I
want what I want, and neither did Paul.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
He was like, what I want to do it? Don't
do what I don't want to do it. Don't do
that didn't make any sense. If you want to do it,
you want to do it. What do you mean you
want to do it? You don't do it?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Like, well, there's flesh, there's the spirit. I got a
new nature. I love God, and then four minutes later,
I really.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I really still love God, but.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I love something that's the opposite of God too.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
And I don't know what to do, and I need
the Holy Spirit to show me why I want what
I want, because if the Holy Spirit doesn't.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Interpret my desires, I will run around my whole life
trying to get what I want, and then when I
get it, I won't even want what I've got. God,
help me interpret my desires, because sometimes what will happen
is it's not like one desire is divine and one

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is demonic, and you know there's no devil and no angel.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Sometimes what the enemy will do to me.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Is he'll take a god given desire and distort it.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
And what I really want is not a bad thing.
It's not a bad desire.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I notice a lot of people these days seem to
want to be famous, famous for what famous?

Speaker 1 (37:43):
So I could be famous?

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Have you noticed that fame is like the number one
cultural value now? And I was thinking about that as
to why everybody wants to be famous.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I mean, you think about it. Famous is kind of
a weird thing.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
People aren't really built to receive that amount of attention.
And when you see the number of famous people who
are famous and don't even want to go on living,
it should cause you to question what is the real
thing that I want?

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Is it really fame? Is it really.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Followers on some platform full of people who don't even
know me, but only the presentation and projection that I
choose to stage, the props that I put in my life?

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Is that really what I want? Do I really want
to be noticed? Or do I really want to be known?

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Because I think a lot of times we're trying to
be noticed and the real desires we want to be known?
And the Spirit of God can show you your real
desire to say, I know that you're doing all this
to try to get people to notice you, but I'm
the only one who really knows you. And see when
people know you from a distance and they notice things

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about you, but they don't know the real you, and
you still feel lonely. It's so important that you ask
the Spirit of God things like this, What am I
really spending fourteen sixteen hours a day working for?

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Is it really to give my kids the life that
they Yeah? Is it really that?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Are you really trying to prove something to somebody who's
not even paying attention.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Like early in Joseph's life, He's like, you were all
bowing down to me.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
It was awesome twenty years later, he's the one crumbling
on his knees because he realizes that the desire God
gave him was not so he could be important, but
so that he could have influence, not so he could
have status, but so that he could be a servant. So, God,
show me my desires, Show me which ones come from you,

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and help me. You know, I used to always pray
Some thirty seven for it says, delight yourself in the Lord,
and He will give you the desires of your heart.
And an immature interpretation of that is God's going to
give me what I want.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
You know, God's just peeling them off. You know what
you want, what you want? What you want?

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Now, I look at it like he will give me
the right desires. He will give me, I part unto me,
the right desires. So I don't just come up wanting
to impress people. But I start asking God, how can
I be a blessing? Because I cannot simultaneously be a
blessing if I'm trying to be Impressif so, I want

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to get out of my own way and ask God
to interpret my desires. God, I want you, I want
your presence in my life.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
God.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I want your pleasure, your smile. God, I want harmony
and peace with you, even if it costs me sometimes
position with people. God, I don't want to just be popular.
I want to live a life of purpose. I want
to know that this matters and means something at the
end of it all. So I need the power of
interpretation for my desires. And see, you can't really have

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that if you don't get past rejection. So the second
thing is, God, will you help me interpret my rejection?
Will help me look at my brothers not just through
the lens of what they did to me, but through
the lens of what you want to do through me.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
I did not expect.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
An amen right there, but I didn't expect that level
of silence. I'll tell you that right now, that that
was just over the top. Praise Lord, hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah,
all of them. Yeah, because he says two things. He says,
you rejected me, but God protected me. See it, you know,

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see it again on the screen? Do you. I can
show it to you on the screen that push a button.
It'll come right up on the screen. Genesis forty five
to five.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
You sold me.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
God sent me to preserve life. So when I was seventeen,
it felt like rejection. But now that I've grown, and
now that I've experienced the grace of God, and now
that I've let go of the resentment and I refuse.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
To hold on to it.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I see that what man calls rejection, sometimes God calls protection.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Some of the.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
People who left you, God was removing them.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
God wanted to do some things for you that only.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
He could do, and if he had let them say yes,
you wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Have been ready for what was match. I'm gonna come
back to these and preach a whole series on them.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Each one. I'm gonna preach a series on dream. I
promise you I will do it. If you stay here
long enough, I will do it. I might be ninety
three years old, board over three.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
I'm APPRECIAU singer because I gotta get God to help.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Me interpret what my desires and rejection, and then I
gotta make sure that God filters my emotions. So God,
help me interpret my emotions because I know what I feel. Well,
let me be honest as a man. Sometimes I don't
even know what I feel. And being married has helped

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me so much with interpretation. I really love my wife.
I jokingly call Holly the Holly Spirit. It's only half joking.
She's a great interpreter. She interprets things. One time we
were fighting about a bill. I think it was like
three two hundred and forty three dollars. And guess what
I didn't have in the bank account three thousand, two

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hundred and forty whatever. I said, dollars, And I got
so angry. I say, and I don't yell. I'm not
the kind of guy that goes around yelling at his wife.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
But I was yelling at her this day. This was
years ago.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
This was like, you know, the early stage is a marriage,
and so you know, you'll forgive me for being angry.
But she she, at one point in the argument, goes,
why are you so angry?

Speaker 1 (43:47):
I said, that'sens around. You know what I was telling
the truth. I wasn't really angry.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I was afraid, and it was expressing itself as anger.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
But she was able to interpret the fear that was
driving my anger. And when she realized that I wasn't
mad at her.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
I was mad at the attorney who sent that bill,
and mad at BB and T for not having enough
money in my bank account to pay the attorney who
sent the bill.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
See how an interpretation can change everything.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
She was able to realize, it's not me versus you
in this moment, it's us versus this bill, and let's
figure it out together. But if you don't pray for
the power to interpret, you will just live at the
level of the emotion and never know what is beneath
the surface. And you will repeat the emotion on the
next person who steps into the line of fire of
your unfiltered experiences.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Okay, I'm gonna download this podcast myself.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
I think, all right, so God help me interpret my emotion.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
So I say, I'm depressed. I'm in depression right now.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Well, maybe maybe you are depressed or maybe you know
sometimes it's just it's just Monday. You always feel this
way on Monday.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
This hasn't been outside yet.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, But if you don't ask God, God, see, do
not interpretations belong to God.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
That's what Joseph knew.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
That's what Joseph knew because on one hand, emotionally, he's angry,
he's crying, and he sends everybody out of his presence.
But then beneath the emotion, he realized the reason now
here's a good question, are you living at the level
of reaction or reason? Because if you always just react, react, react, but.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Never ask God, what is the reason I'm.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Reacting this way, you will fix the wrong factors.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
And this is where a.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Lot of preaching gets so mean and hateful and impossible,
because we're correcting behaviors but not addressing the beliefs that
drive the behaviors. So you'll hear a preacher sometimes preach
against addiction, but why is she drinking six classes?

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Or you'll hear it preached.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Against, you know, pornography or sexual addiction, and the preacher
will never address the fact that you're reaching out for God.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
When you log on that site, you just don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
It's God that you're reaching out for, so you're trying
to fill it with something that leaves you more empty.
But you're really reaching out for God. But what you
really want isn't sex, it's connection. So you run around
for sex, but you don't get connection because it's empty
because you never ask God why. And this takes reflection,

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and this takes sitting alone with God and even other
people that you trust, and joining an e group and
sharing some stuff that makes you uncomfortable, shameless plug. Today
there's tenths outside join any group. She again interpret Pharaoh said,
I need someone interpret my drink. The prisoner said, someone
interpreted the dream. But really I need God to help

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me interpret not only the hard things I've been through.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
But look at Joseph. Now he's in a position of power.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Not only does have the power of interpretation that God
has given him, but he has the power to punish
his brothers or provide for them.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
And what's he going to do with his advantage? That's
the fourth one.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
God, show me the advantages that you've given me, and
show me why you gave.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Them to me.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Because when people receive advantages, but they think that the
purpose for the advantage so that they can call attention
to themselves, that's when leaders become toxic. That's when rich
people become oppressive. The hard thing is sometimes recognizing the advantage.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Because remember when David.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Killed Goliath, and Bible says that after he killed him,
he took his sword. I always thought that was an
illustration of how today's attack can become tomorrow's advantage.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
You sold me for God sent me, and the.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Whole time that people were pushing me in a pit.
God was preparing me so that I could provide with
the power that He's given me.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
And maybe the reason that you went through.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
The attack is so that you could have an advantage.
Do you hear me, Just forget I'm talking. Hear this
from God. He wanted to say this to you, and
he's just using me to do it. Quit calling it
an attack. It's an advantage. Quit calling it a weakness
because it is in your weakness that.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
He is strong. Quit being ashamed of it.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Quit trying to run from it, hide it and numb
it and cover it up. The attack is the advantage.
And you know what Paul said. He said, I am
convinced that the sufferings of this present time are not
even worthy to be compared with the glory that will
be revealed.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
So I interpret my.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Pain through the lens of God's purpose and my feelings
through my faith. So God give me the power to interpret.
Not just to interpret when I get there, not just
to interpret when it's all better. But God, help me

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to interpret when I'm in the middle. I'm in the middle.
Joseph spent twenty years with a dream they contradicted everything
he was facing in his situation. And yet the most

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frequent line that is repeated in the account of his
life is this, the Lord was with.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Joseph.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
You know, that's not something you always feel. That's not
something that you can always prove. That's not something that
you always have facts to back it up. But I
don't need facts. I got faith. I don't need feelings.
I've got faith God. I want to interpret my life
as it unfolds through the lens that you love me

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and that you're with me. And I need a faith
interpretation because you know, Church, the world is trying to
give us a fear interpretation every single day, and if
you read the paper, it's a fear interpretation. But when
I come to God, I can look at everything in
my life and look at it through the lens of

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what He's spoken to me. And the power of interpretation
is to confess the presence of God in every situation,
whether you feel it or not. And if you need
God to show you something right now in your life,
stand to your feet so I can pray for you.
Because this message was not meant for those who just
want to live by your five senses. And this message

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was not intended for those who just want to spend
the rest of their life blaming people. And this message
was not for those who everything is easy and you
can always explain it and you understand it all. This
message is for someone who needs an interpretation.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
God. I don't need you to explain everything to me.
You're God and I'm not. But I need to know God,
what you are doing in this moment of my life.
I don't want to spend the.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Rest of my life projecting stuff. I need an interpretation,
Paul said, pray for the power of interpretation. You can't
get this on your own. You can't get this by logic.
You can't see this on a spreadsheet. You cannot consult
bank accounts and other people and books in a library.
This only comes from God.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
God. I need an interpretation.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I need to know why my kids are acting crazy
right now. I need to know God, why my money
is acting funny right now.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
I need to know why they said no.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
I need to know why this keeps happening. I need
to know why this pattern keeps submerging.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
And I need to know more than anything.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
That you are with me in this moment, even when
I don't feel it. I need an interpretation. Do not
interpretations belong to God. Doesn't he have the power to
show you why I made you? Doesn't he have the
power to comfort you in all of your trouble. Doesn't

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he have the power to assure you of His presence
in this moment? Father, thank you for your word, and
thank you for your people. And I pray that today
I have been a faithful interpreter of what you said
through Joseph, and what you said through Paul, and what
you're saying to each life represented in this place. Today

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I asked God that you would interpret the message exactly
as each hearer needs to receive it. In fact, if
you would just lift your hands right now and show
the Lord that you're listening, we'll receive from you in
this moment.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
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