Fixing NHL OT with a Shot Clock? Plus, Hall of Famer Jen Botterill

On this week's episode of Energy Line Nate and JSB welcomed Hockey Hall of Famer and three-time Olympic gold medalist, Jen Botterill! Jen shared incredible insights on:

• The Hall of Fame Call: The overwhelming moment she got the call while on a boat with her family.

• The Power of Teamwork: What being a "great teammate" means in both the locker room and the media studio.

• The PWHL Boom: How the new professional league is fundamentally changing the women's game and influencing the upcoming Olympics.

• Best Advice: Jen's sage advice for young athletes (and everyone else): "Don't rely on other people's confidence in you."

Nate and Julie also touched on:

• The Youth Movement: The NHL's Young Guns are rewriting the record books. We discuss how this wave of talent is changing the league's culture.

• The Sharks' $40K Flow: Was the San Jose Sharks' fine for skating in warmups without helmets worth the team bonding? Nate, who famously rocked the no-helmet look, weighs in on the tradition.

• And Does OT Need a Fix?: With the league on pace for the most overtimes in the salary cap era, we debate how to eliminate the "reset" and the shootout.

Enjoy, and we’ll see you back here next week for more Energy Line.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Energy Line is a production of the NHL and iHeart podcasts.

(00:25):
Welcome on into Energy Line with Nate and JSB. I'm
Julie Stuart Binks. He's former NHL or Nate Thompson. This
is a production of the NHL and iHeart Podcasts and
Tom Or. We have once again the young guns lying
out there being the lead story of the day. Maclin
Celebrini one of four teenagers in NHL history to reach

(00:47):
the forty point mark in twenty seven games or fewer.
Are we going to be talking about this kid and
also Bidard the rest of the season.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, we are.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
We're gonna be talking about them every week because their
play is doing the talking.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I mean it seems to be every single day, whatever
game they're playing. You know, Connor Bandar is getting a
hat trick, Celebrity is getting a couple of goals here,
even Leo Carlson, you know, you know, I went to
the game last week for Ducks Kings and what a
comeback from the Ducks, and Leo Carlson was at the
center of it.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
So these guys are are really taking the league by storm,
and rightfully so because the way that they're playing, the
way they're leading their teams, the way they're changing the
outlook of their teams.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Like if you look at.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Every single one of those players and you look at
their teams, and all their teams are just they're trending
up right now.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
You know, these teams are so exciting to watch, and
I think it's because of these guys that are that
are leading the way.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
So these guys continue to do what they do, put
the pug in the back of the net, create incredible plays.
But in what way is this changing the way teams defend.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I don't know if it's I don't know if it's
changing the way teams defend, but I think it's just now.
You know, these young players, you know, they're looked at
now as as guys that are leading the charge for
their team. Like you talk to veteran guys like I've
talked to veteran guys in Anaheim, and these guys, you know,
they say like we're we're getting out of the way,

(02:19):
like we're doing our job obviously, and we want to
make an impact. But these are the guys like they
understand that they have to defer to these young guys
because of how talented they are, how mature they are
for their age, and just how they're handling themselves throughout
the season. And you're seeing, you know, the complimentary veteran
guys like, you know, we had Tyler Tafoli on before,

(02:39):
you know, and he talks about you know, I just
I let him do his thing. I get out of
the way and I let him play hockey and have
fun because that's what these guys are doing. And it's
it's it is so fun to watch, Julie, and it's so.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Good for our league.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
I I really enjoy watching these guys every single night.
It's it's it's a lot of.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Fun right there highlight reels.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
We have gained so much respect for from their elders,
if you will say, and I find it interesting that
sometimes it feels as though young guys really have to
pay their dues before, as you mentioned, guys get out
of the way or let them do their thing. How
do you think that has changed this year? Like in

(03:21):
what do young what have these young guys done in
such a short amount of time to gain that respect
that old guys will not old guys, sorry, veterans will
say Yeah, take the puck, go for it.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah. I think we're in a new era. I think
that's it for sure.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I think, you know, the days of young guys coming
in and having to earn their stripes and you know,
maybe play a few minutes here, a few minutes there,
that those those days are gone. You know, these young
guys are coming in there. You know, they're taking the
bowl by the horns and they're they're being the guys.
And you're seeing that with with with these young guys,
you know, like there's no you know, I remember when

(03:59):
I was in Boston, and you know, I remember z
in Aochara talking about, you know, we don't do and
he came out with that a few years ago and
talked about, there's no there's no rookie here. We don't
We're not treating these guys like rookies. They're peers. There
are teammates, you know, like we want them, we want
them to succeed for the better of the team. And

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I think that's what's happening here. You know, these guys
aren't looked at as young guys or as rookies, or
I think they're looked at as another guy in the
team and not just another guy on the team, but
superstardom player on that team that's going to take them.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
To the next level, right, And I would be remiss
if I didn't mention Will Smith as well, because he
kind of, oddly enough, sort of is in the shadow
of Maclin's celebrity just because of the nature of how
Celebrini has you know, been Harry Potter essentially out there.
But let's let's talk about these Sharks again, because we
were checking out a video that happened well recently where

(04:54):
the Sharks went out for warmups without their helmets, letting
the flow fly out there, and they were fined by
the league. Forts but maybe, Nate, it was worth it
for the team bonding.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
It was worth it. It was worth it. You could
see how much fun they were having.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
You could see, I'm my guest is a guy like
Ryan Reeves said, Hey, listen everyone, we're going out for
warm ups and no one is wearing a helmet today.
We're doing this. We're gonna have some fun. Whatever, We'll
put the team fun together and we'll pay the fine.
And that's that's just good old classic family Fund July.
Like that's that's a good time. You're going out there

(05:33):
with all your buddies. And let me tell you something,
one of the best things I loved about playing in
the NHL was skating and warm ups with no helmet.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yes, you did do that.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
That was one of my favorite things because as a kid,
you know, you watch warm ups and you're watching the broadcast,
and you know, I remember seeing Jeremy Ronick, you know,
flying around during warm ups. No, no, you know, no helmet,
and that's what you want to do. And I think
these kids probably had that dream as well. And and
you know, to be able to do it as a

(06:06):
team in a little hepty, fine, but that's all right.
It's uh, that's all part of the team bonding experience.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
That you just.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Gave me a flashback to you skating around in warm
ups with like you know, you kind of had maybe
slipped back your hair a bit, like you combed it back,
but you had still the flow sort of the curls
that the back underneath your neck was pitch black. You
flying out there, and I don't really remember anyone else
on the team doing it.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah there was, I mean I remember there there were
some guys. I think some guys would do every game.
Some guys wouldn't Getsy gets he certainly, he certainly did it.
I remember Kevin do it. He actually would do it
a little bit here and there as well.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
I guess. Yeah. I think when I finally.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Got the the guts or whenever I was able to
finally take my helmet off, I don't think I ever
put it back on a warm ups I.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Think that was it.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
No, that is a confidence, that is that is the
king of confidence out there, just you know, you are
in you are in the flow with the flow honestly,
when you're out there, And can I ask you a
specific question I've always been curious about, just to deviate
when you were on the ice, do you can you

(07:18):
see people in the stands, Like do you ever acknowledge
people in the stands or make eye contact or know
where they are?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Absolutely, I actually I think in warm ups one of
my one of the things I would do, and I
did it every game, is I would try and give
pucks to kids after you know, whether it was a
few one whatever, And that was one of the things
I tried to do warm up. So yeah, I was
I was looking and I think you most guys honestly
would say, yeah, you're you're looking around a little bit

(07:46):
during the during the game and during warm ups. So yeah,
I think everyone's different, but I was definitely Yeah, I
was aware. I was aware of my surroundings.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Right.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
That's a very pure answer to a question I thought
wasn't going to elicit that type of answer. You are
looking to give children hockey pucks, I'm thinking, and warm
ups and warm ups I'm thinking. I told my friend
when we went to the Islanders game last year and
we were sitting right up against the glass, I was like,
all these guys are just checking checking us out, like
not checking us out, but looking at they're looking for

(08:19):
girls basically like they're or guys. I don't know, you
know whatever, it's up to them.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
And that's what I That was my hypothesis as someone
who was ring side reporter but really didn't know if
that's what you guys were doing, but I always assumed it.
So can I say that is maybe potentially at least
somewhat true.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
There is some partial truth to that. Yeah, I would
say that sometimes. Yeah, all right, I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I I followed up on my one part of one
part investigation into to do hockey players look for girls
in the crowd during the game or guys again.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Okay, so I it is Uh.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's always a fun time being able to ask Nate
these questions because then you get to have more insight
into what's going on, including in my segue into overtime.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
We discussed this beforehand.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
We were going to talk about it last week, but
we had so much to talk about with Thanksgiving, and
I didn't actually wish you a happy Thanksgiving. We we cam
on here, but I wish I had happy belated American Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Nate, hope you had a good one.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
It was a good one. It was.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
It was good with a fan and I ate a
lot of food. I think I think I fell asleep
that yeah. I fell asleep at like nine o'clock that
night with Wilder. I was so tired. You know that
what's it called trip to fan you eat from Turkey?
So yeah, it was great. It was very good Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Thank you got you gotta keep your head on a
swivel around Turkey because it'll get you.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
It'll get you every time.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
I know. Okay, So we are on pace for the
most overtimes in the Salary cap Era and the sixth
most all time according to stats from producer Matt. So
if they're wrong, their producer Matt stats, and if they're
right their producer mat stats, should the points. Okay, So
we were saying we would rather have overtime three on

(10:10):
three overtime versus shootout, right at least, but there are
some very there's a lot that goes into that. How
do you think we go forward in a system where
we eliminate the shootout or we keep it? Or do
we keep a longer overtime still at three on three?

(10:32):
But how do we avoid the reset? In sort of
all these different things, like what do you think we
do going if we do anything different going forward?

Speaker 4 (10:39):
About overtime?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, this one's tricky.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Julie and I believe that you add some time to overtime,
and I don't know if that was like and we
were I remember I was talking to Matt about this.
Producer Matt, we were talking about maybe you know, you
go seven minutes or you go ten minutes, because I
think if you go ten minutes on overtime for three

(11:02):
on three, I don't think you can do.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
A shit shootout. It's just it's just too long.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think, you God, this is crazy but I think
you go like seven minutes, and that sounds crazy to
do with seven minutes overtime, and then you add the
shootout and the shootout.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I mean maybe you do. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I've thought about so many different scenarios with this, but
I think you go seven minutes shootout or seven minute overtime,
and then you finish with a shootout. You add two
more minutes, a little bit more exciting hockey being played,
maybe bigger chance of scoring a goal, and then you
add the shootout at the end. It's it's it's tough
because I might take on the shootout and every player

(11:43):
is every time you lose in a shootout, it's like,
well we lost in a you know, skills competition basically,
And I understand that part of it where players you
know you don't want that to be part of a
win in the point system, but you know at that
same time, the shootout is exciting and people love it
and fans love it. So it's hard to take that
away from the fans when I know they love it

(12:05):
and experience the experience of it is exciting. Like if
you're a first time hockey watch and you're coming to
a game and you're seeing overtime, then you're seeing a shootout.
It's pretty exciting. But I think if you add a
little bit of time to the overtime, and there's different
ways you could figure out nago to shootout. But that's
kind of my take on it. What do you think

(12:25):
to like, what do you what would you change?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
What my question is is how would increasing the length
of overtime ensure that you would not have like the
reset happening and people booing when other teams like if
they can't gain the zone, then you're like, okay, we're
going to regroup, and teams are booing and then they're
doing their own teams because guys, you know, teams will

(12:49):
just wait till they have the best opportunity on the
ford check to be able to go, and then if
they don't, they go circle back and reset and it's
just the same. You're just gonna you're basically just prolonging
that happening.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, it's tough, and I think no matter what we
do how to rule a change, there's going to be
something that will pick out. And I guess I mean,
I just this came into my head right now, But
what if you added a this is insane. But what
if you added a shot clock to when you had
the puck during overtime? Like you imagine if you're it's
counting down and you got to make a play or

(13:22):
go get a shot on them.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I don't know that kind of hitchlock.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Like if you have possession of the you've got it.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
You have to bet a forward progress or or you
have to make forward progress. You can't bring it back again.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
I know those are different ways you have to make
a forward pass.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
It's like, yeah, I mean it's it's uh, I'm splitting
hairs here, but yeah, it's it's there's so many different
little things you could do.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
But I understand.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I think maybe this year it's it's just an anomaly
where you know, it's the parody we're getting over times
and all of that that just that has a hand
in it, where you know, we're seeing we're seeing this
and we're seeing it over and over and over again,
another overtime, another shootout. But maybe there's a way you

(14:10):
could do it where like I said, maybe you have
a shot clock, maybe you have to have four progress.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
But then can I interrupt you here and then.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
You take the shootout out? You take it out, take
the shootout out, and then you add those rules to
the overtime, and that's it. You extend the overtime to
seven to ten minutes, and you take the shootout and
you add those rules.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Into the overtime, and then what happens, and then somebody wins,
and then we just keep going forever. It's like test
cricket or whatever. It's like we don't stop playing until
that shootout. It's like, I mean overtime. It's like playoff hockey,
which can be a nightmare when it goes to like
seven hundred overtimes.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
But Nate, I would almost guarantee someone would score if
you added those rules where it was black and white
like that, I think.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Okay, But what if you changed it so that some
teams at the end of regulation they're like just playing
for the loser point at least they start to like, okay, well,
let's not risk it, risk get for the biscuit. We
want to be able to at least get one point
eighty two overtime losses is close to a playoff spot
according to producer mat Stats, which is absolutely banana sandwich.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
So in that case, how.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Do we maybe do we change the point system to
try to get teams to finish things off in regulation
and then if that barring that doesn't happen, finish things
off in overtime quicker than a shootout if we change
the point system.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, and that's been chatted about a lot, and I've
heard about different different people have talked about that, where
you add the three point system and it takes away
the tie or whatever you could say. Right, I guess
I'm traditional. I think I'm just too traditional. I think
it just adds too many variables. I think when you

(15:54):
add that three point system. I like the two point system.
I like how we have it. I think, like I said,
the three point system just adds a lot a lot
of different confusion, which I guess could be exciting as well.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah, it's maybe a problem.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
We just just I mean, like, come on, how many
things we got to do to fix the world at
this point.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
It's like the only thing I just don't want.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I like to shoot out because I know the game
is at least going to end at some point, because
in the playoffs, that's really the hardest part. I went
on a date once, a first date with the guy
it bruins and the Blackhawks Game one of the Stanley
Cup Final, and it went to three overtimes and it
was the worst night of my life because they stopped

(16:41):
serving after regulation and I just I was, you know,
I was committed so to the bit, like you know,
I was.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
I was not leaving. So I had to sit there
with this guy who has since like trolled me on
Twitter for whatever, any random stuff, and I was.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Like, Okay, well we got to figure out how to
play this game differently because people can't beyond date first
dates into three overtimes right now.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
So that's all I got to say.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
So you think you think that we should change the
rules in playoffs then too, or just a regular season.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I would be based on my own limited experience in
that specific situation, I would and the impact I had,
I would say I would be open to a discussion
about that, because yeah, it was, it was, it was.
It was enough for me to remember it since twenty thirty,
twenty thirteen, twenty twenty thirteen, yeah, yeah, twenty thirteen.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I remember being in the bubble playing for Philly.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Oh my god, and.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
We were up and remember the remember that we had
games but kind of back to back. You would play
after a game, and I believe it was. It was
Columbus and Tampa we're playing before us, and we were
waiting in the gym warm. I think I warmed up
like three or four times basically to get ready for
the game because they just kept going to every overtime.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
They go to five overtimes.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Our game gets canceled and we didn't play till the
next day because their game was so long.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
So I do remember that.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
But at the same time, Julie, I, like I said,
I'm traditionalist. I love those long drawn out overtime games
where you're just waiting and pins and needles for someone
to score.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
They are really yeah, they are very fun. They are
very interesting and fun. We do love that. Okay, So
before we go and have our guests to join us here,
I just have a quick que on the fact that
the Leafs and the Panthers are going to be playing
each other on Tuesday night, that is when we are
recording this. So whenever you listen to this, maybe it's

(18:45):
already been over. But those two teams faced each other
all the way to a game seven in the playoffs
last year. One of them won the Stanley Cup. One
of them certainly didn't, and both of them this year
have been floundering. Are you surprised with how much both
teams have dropped off so far?

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Well more so the Leafs the Panthers.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I think the Panthers, we know how decimated they've been
by injuries, and I think a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Are their inconsistency has to do with that.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
The Leafs, on the other hand, yes they've been they've
dealt with injuries as well, but they haven't dealt with
the injuries that the four Panthers have, and I think
that's the one for me. The Leafs as of now,
where we're at is the most surprising. And man, we
talk about this all the time, Julie, we talk about

(19:34):
the Leafs every week, it feels like and I do
think and luckily because the standing is so close to the east,
is so close, like they they're not far off. Like
if they can get some momentum, you rip off two
or three in a row and keep playing well. They
got their big boys back it. There's lots of season left.
There's lots of season left for them to salvage this.

(19:56):
So we'll see.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
It's a good opportunity for them against the Panthers. To
get it going.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, I don't know if Ruin in Toronto would say
there's a lot of season left, but you know, it's
good to look on the bright side of things every
so often. I'd say the positive spin on this is, hey,
you can do something else in the springtime this year
instead of sitting on your couch as a masochist waiting
to just watch the Leafs blow of Game seven. That's
really would be the positive spin. Like, go outside, get

(20:24):
a hobby, talk to your family. That would be my
positive spin on the leaves right now. Anyways, we have
got somebody who can talk about that in a much
more analytical fashion and so much more coming up on
Energy Line with Night and JSB, and that is none
other than Jen Botrel, recently inducted into the Hockey Hall

(20:45):
of Fame. You don't want to miss this interview coming
up right now. Welcome back into Energy Line with Naton
JSB and we are very thrilled to welcome in our
next guest, Hockey Hall of Famer, three time Olympic gold
medalist for Canada and analyst for Hockey Night in Canada
and TNT Sports, my good friend Jen Bottrell. Thank you

(21:05):
so much for joining us here on the show. Congratulations
on your recent induction to the Hockey Hall of Fame.
How does it feel?

Speaker 4 (21:13):
Oh, thank you so much. I think I might still
be smiling from the next weekend. And it was such
a special time for myself to reconnect right with friends
and family and teammates and coaches. So it was absolutely incredible.
I feel my class was amazing. Maybe that's what people
feel every year, but I feel my fellow inductees were

(21:35):
just incredible. And to sit on the panel and chat
with the other inductees was so fascinating. And the Hall
of Fame they do such an amazing job over the
course of the few days on the number of events
that they plan for us. So yes, from my jumping
for joy in June when I got the call to
the recent induction in November, I think that my smile

(21:56):
has been pretty permanent.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
I second that, Jen, and thanks for coming on. I
second that about the Hall of Fame, I mean, I
just I love the tradition of it and how they
present everything. Who was your favorite player growing up him
or her? And did you meet that person at the
Hall of Fame while you were there?

Speaker 4 (22:16):
So I have a few that growing up that were
my favorite players. I do think my brother Jason was
my ultimate favorite player that I loved watching him and
he was sort of the inspiration for me on where
he played and what I wanted to accomplish, you know,
in terms of what I saw him achieve in the
sport I grew up in Winnipeg. So Timu Solaonni was

(22:38):
also someone I really admired for the Jets. He had
that rookie season and so I feel like the seventy
six goals was just so incredible to follow, and so
he was amazing the enthusiasm he had for the game,
his personality. And then in the women's game, I had
really admired. Geraldine Heeney was one who I had watched

(22:58):
as she had played for World Championships. They wore the
pink jerseys the one year at the World Championships draw attention.
So fortunately I have had the chance to spend time
with each of those players that I admired growing up.
And I just love that there are so many great
role models now as a parent, as a mom with
three kids, that they have so many people now that

(23:21):
they can follow on the men's game, on the women's
game that they are just I think, so intrigued by
And that's one of the other things I think that
was probably most meaningful for the Hall of Fame weekend
was that my kids got to take part in it.
And whether they wanted me to send little comments or
tell Brianna this, or tell Brianna that, or tell Duncan this,
or like they were just you know, if they were

(23:41):
so intrigued on what each of them had to say
at these various events.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Jen you just mentioned when you got the call, you
were jumping up and down. And I know for you, know,
as someone who's spoken on shows before clamoring for you
to get into the Hall of Fame earlier than this
year because you have been so deserving of it for many,
many years now. If if you could explain and maybe

(24:07):
describe what this time has been like for you to,
you know, kind of have been in this unique position
of waiting and not getting the call and then getting
the call, because it's something that none of us could
possibly ever understand.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Well, thank you for all of your very nice comments, Julie.
I really take that to heart, and I think people
often reached out or wished me well sort of when
I first retired from the game, and then I it wasn't. Honestly,
it wasn't on my radar, and I think my focus
has been different at this point in my career on
being an analyst, on being a parent. So it wasn't

(24:48):
on my radar for the day. And I'm not sure
if you heard the story, but I was out on
the boat with my parents at their cottage, and so
I didn't even have my phone with me, and so
eventually the Hockey World connected to my brother Jason, and
they said talk to Adrian Jen's husband and tell to
get on her phone. And so it wasn't. It was
not as I was sitting there waiting for the call
to come through, and so I got off the dock,

(25:11):
and then I was worried because I saw these miscalls
and I was wondering if something was wrong back in Ontario,
and so I called this number back and sure enough,
it was the Hockey Hall of Fame on the end
of the line. And I think my mom knew more
details about the timing on when the announcement was coming
through that she sort of laughed and in terms of
the timing of it all, but I think because I

(25:33):
wasn't focused on it or expecting it. It just made
that moment of pure joy I think that much more
authentic and overwhelming in the best possible way. And it
was also almost fitting because I was back in Manitoba
at my parents' cottage, so I could literally walk down
a few stairs and they were the first two people
that I saw at the bottom of the stairs, and

(25:54):
there were tears of happiness from each of them, and
I had the chance to hug them and then celebrate
with my husband and my girls that were jumping on
the end of the dock. So it was just such
an amazing moment of celebration. And then I think the
next few days probably were so unexpected and just filled
my heart up so much. I cannot believe how many

(26:17):
people reached out. And I mean Julie as well, You've
been such a great friend over the years, and the comments,
the notes, the phone calls, the messages. I truly could
have never imagined the number of people that reached out.
And I think I still get a little choked up
thinking about it. That it was just a really beautiful
time for me.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Jen It is wonderful hearing all that and when if
anyone listening or watching this right now, Jen is a
very genuine person and love like you are a good person.
And I can hear this through your voice for me
when I when I think about you talking about being
you know, not having your phone or not thinking it's

(26:59):
the hull calling, that's me. I'm thinking, is this internal
life that you just don't think the call's coming.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
I think at that point, I it wasn't something I
could be consumed by or you know, to think about
over the number of years that it had been an option, right,
So maybe it was just a point where it was
a time for spending some quality moments with my family
and that was sort of the priority at that moment,
where we have this window to spend some time with
my parents and the kids get some time with their grandparents,

(27:31):
and that was the focus at that time. So it's
not as though I had anything in my calendar for
the specific moment or time that the calls would become
the announcement would be made. And so that's why I
just think it was such an incredible surprise. Don't mean
to play investigative journalists on you.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
I just know I'd throw my phone in the lake
and like throw everything out, just being like, I'm not paying.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Attention to this today.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
If it happened, someone can parachute in and tell me
kind of like what they did.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
But yeah, anyway, No, it.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Was great because I always want to hear about how
someone you know, you always see the story of Okay,
Landy's calling calling whoever this year, and you want to
see that reaction. So, I mean, that's that's fantastic. I mean,
over the course of your career, you know, you've always
been known as a great teammate, and what does what
does a great teammate mean to you now and when

(28:24):
you were playing? I guess my question is what does
a great teammate mean to you while you're playing and
now in a different landscape.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Yeah, well, thank you. I mean that's I think that's
what I, I guess, was hopeful for in my career
that I was a good teammate. And I think for me,
that means somehow making the experience better for the people
around you. And I remember for the various Olympic years
that I had the opportunity to compete in, I mean,
there were lots of great moments and excitement and elation,

(28:53):
but also lots of difficult moments where it was physically, mentally,
emotionally exhausting and demanding, and so I remember the one
Olympic year I was sort of asking myself the question,
how do I want to feel at the end of
this Olympic season? And it was six and I wasn't
really performing at my very best, and I remember having
a conversation with one of the assistant coaches and then

(29:15):
it was how do I want to feel at the
end of this season? And for me, the answer to
that question was hopefully I can make this experience better
for my teammates, and that's what made it fulfilling and
rewarding for me. And when I started to focus on that,
then my play and my performance on the ice started
to improve. And it didn't happen over the course of
one day or a snap of my finger, but over

(29:36):
the next several weeks I started to perform more to
my full potential and not only made the team, but
played in a role where I contributed the way that
I believed that I could. But I feel like it
all started with that drive and that motivation to hopefully
be a good influence on the people around you. And
I think it's the same when I look at the
industry that I'm in now, whether I'm doing the game

(29:59):
coverage with the NHL on TNT or if I'm in
the studio here in Toronto with Sportsnet, that hopefully there's
that mutual respect for all of us that are part
of a team, but somehow, hopefully we can make each
other better and make the experience better for the people
that you're surrounded by. I love that.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
I think that is such a great important point about
teamwork and being a good teammate in whatever field you're in.
And I would just be so curious, what have you
learned from being an analyst in studio and at the
rink in terms of being the best teammate you could
possibly be and having good teammates that you could share

(30:39):
with others who maybe are either in that same industry
or who are curious about it.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yeah, I mean, I think a few things come to mind.
I think it's taking the time to get to know
your team or who you're surrounded by. And when I
think about, you know, it was amazing when I stopped
my career as a competitive athlete and then moved over
to this world in broadcasting and then becoming an analyst.

(31:08):
You know, coaches that I worked with. The first things
that we started to draw upon were lessons that I
learned as an athlete and how that's applicable to my
world today in terms of performance, in terms of teamwork,
in terms of you know, working with people around you,
and so I think getting to know everyone and understanding
everybody's going to be a little bit different. And when
I think about our Olympic teams, when I first made

(31:28):
the roster, I was eighteen, Fraan Saint Louis was thirty nine,
you know, and then eventually forty in that Olympic season,
So different stages of your lives, different personalities. So I
think it's respecting that and celebrating and appreciating every person's
strengths and knowing that you all want to accomplish the
same thing, whether it's winning a gold medal, whether it's
putting together a great show or you know, putting together

(31:51):
the best coverage that you possibly can. I think it's
that mutual respect, understanding we're all going to be different.
But I also think each person understanding how important they are,
and I think that's one thing in the broadcasting world.
I think there's that mutual respect, but also that internal
belief for each person to know that their voice is important,
their perspective, their analysis is extremely valuable for the show

(32:17):
and hopefully makes that viewing experience better. So I think
that's something that's really applicable, whether it's you know, in
the sort of environment being a competitive athlete, or in
the industry I'm in now, or for anyone right in
terms of that respect, getting to know people and making
sure there's also an understanding of the value that each

(32:39):
person brings.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Julie, I'm ready to go play a game now.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
After hearing that.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
That was great. What pushed you towards the media and
broadcasting after your playing career ended.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, well, I you know, I loved my playing days
and I had the chance to do some Women's World
Championships event shortly after I stepped aside from my playing career,
and I really loved it right away, And I think
for me, I was just it was a really neat

(33:13):
way to stay connected to the sport but in a
different capacity. And I still loved the game of hockey.
I just didn't feel like I had the edge and
the intensity to continue to play that I was excited
for this new chapter in my life. To have the
energy and the adrenaline for new adventures, and so I
just quickly felt very drawn to the media side of things,

(33:37):
and I had done even when I was still competing
as an athlete. I had done several keynote speaking events
and so felt pretty comfortable. I knew I had a
lot of work to do in the industry, but I
still felt that I could draw upon some of those
skills that I had acquired in the speaking industry and
then apply that to the work in media. And it

(34:00):
wasn't immediate that I had all of these opportunities, but
I just did a few small projects. Then over the
course of the next many years, I stayed open to
different opportunities and tried to dedicate myself to that field
and to continue to get better, and I just I
fell in love with it that I loved being involved
in the game. And then when I started doing some

(34:24):
work for the New York Islanders for the MSG networks,
where I had the chance to do in game coverage
be at ice level, I had the chance to do
pregame shows, and I feel like that was a really
important stage of my development. And then from there had
some of the national opportunities after that.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Jen, I remember when you used to do women's hockey
on TSN, like I can vividly remember you doing it,
and not to just be like Jen's biggest fan on here,
but she you were innately good at media immediately when
you came from playing, Like there are certain people that
have that. I believe Nate also has it as well,

(35:04):
And I think it's interesting to see the fact that
you're in your career and you've been doing this will
and Nita is just beginning, and I can kind of
see similarities where maybe it's something that also helped when
you've been interviewed over the years of understanding your point
of view, how to use your voice, how to be
maybe succinct and powerful with whatever you're trying to say.

(35:25):
But I still remember so vividly you doing those broadcasts
and I was watching and I love seeing how far
you've come and see for me seeing you do that
that is inspiring. But you were still such a you're
still such a trailblazer for women in this industry because
we get to see you on a panel on Hockey
Night in Canada, something that we never had seen growing up,

(35:48):
and you're doing in game analysis for you I mean,
these are two rules that that you are literally like
one of one. So in terms of that, in terms
of the broadcasting side, was there a woman that you
saw doing this or do you feel as though you
had maybe male inspirations to get you to that point?

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Well, thank you again, I really take that to heart.
That's very nice, and I think it was. It was
both for me and but some people ask well did
you dream about being on Hockey Night in Canada? And
I feel like my honest response is no, because I
didn't know it was possible, right, That's not what we
saw growing up to know that that would be a possibility.

(36:33):
But I think people that were a huge motivation for me.
Cassie Campbell Pascal is one who she was the first
one to start to do in game coverage and do
different shows for Hockey in Canada or Sportsnet and Julie,
you know, she's amazing and as soon as you enter
the industry, she reaches out. If you're you know, female industry,
and it's nothing but support and encouragement and excitement because

(36:54):
it's not a feeling of oh oh, there's more females.
It's like, yes, it's about time. There is so much
space and opportunity for all of us. And I think
she's just been an amazing friend and mentor. Christine Simpson
is another one who I had always admired. She did
great work and feature work and reporting in both the

(37:15):
United States and in Canada, and same thing, just been
I think, just an amazing friend. And whether it's a
quick note or a phone call or seeing her in person,
I think it's very much the same encouragement recognition though
as well. I mean I know both of them have
reached out in at times to say, you know, at
times to say, well, I know it's not easy, or

(37:36):
this moment may have been difficult, but you did a
great job, or I understand what you're going through, and
just a note of encouragement. And I know that's not
what we should rely on, but it's just nice to
have good friends that understand that. So those are are
I think two that I have really admired. But I
also I have been very fortunate that honestly, whether it
was when I was covering the Islanders and it was

(37:57):
Butch Goring right who I had the chance to work
with there, and Brendan Burke and Shannon Hogan, jamillesco Is
another one who I went to Harvard with and is
in the industry, who has been a great support for me.
But certainly the NHL on T and T teams like
Darren Pang, right, I just feel like nothing but support
and encouragement. And it's the same for the panel for
Hockey Night, whether it's Kevin or Kelly, or Ron or

(38:19):
Elliott or David. They've all just been good friends and
I think made me feel welcomed, right. And I know
it was different, you know when I first joined several
years ago, but as colleagues, I just feel super fortunate
that I had the support. It was very I'm very,
very fortunate.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah, it's like you were saying, it's like being part
of that team, right, it's the same as when we're
in the locker room and now and being part of
the team and in this media world. And you know
now as of late with the PWHL especially you know
you have new teams like Vancouver and Seattle they are
coming to the league. And I guess from your perspective,
how has the PWHL changed the landscape of women's hockey already?

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Isn't it great? I absolutely love it, you know, it is.
It is so great, and certainly as a parent of
three girls that have gone to several Toronto Scepters games
and they love it. They know the roster, they have
the chance to sometimes see them around their practice facility.
I think the athletes have been so great with all
of their fans, and I just love that that's what

(39:23):
they see. I mean, I think the caliber of play
itself is outstanding and it's amazing, and I just I
think it is It is just so well deserved, and
I always say I think that the athletes deserve a
lot of credit for it. That were instrumental in creating
this league, right, and they didn't rush into something that
was going to be temporary, and I think their whole

(39:44):
vision it wasn't about how quickly can I sign a
professional contract? It was thinking, Okay, how do we establish
something so this is going to be here for generations
to come. And that's what they've done. And so, you know,
I would sort of describe it as you know, I
always say, not every kid has to play hockey, or
every girl has to play hockey, but I just love
that it's a choice. And certainly in the I'll use

(40:06):
the Toronto area as an example of where I'm living
right now, but I can take my kids to a
professional soccer game, or this year, I can take them
to a WNBA game or take them to the Scepters game,
and that's that's just what they know. And I just
think it's been amazing for the game to see the
expansion for the PWHL, but also the partnerships with many

(40:27):
of the NHL teams, even you see in Seattle and Vancouver,
and that they're really embracing supporting each other's teams. And
I think it is just so well deserved. And you know,
that's what we wished and hope for right and now
it's being lived out. And I'm so happy to see
the success that it is having the league.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I love your excitement toward a JEN And I'm also
wearing a New York Sirens shirt today, which I hadn't
anticipated that we'd be talking about this.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
But yeah, it's fascinating when you mentioned the level of
play when I covered them last year and i'd be
down at ice level, and having been down at ice
level for NHL games, I just was thinking, oh my lord,
like this is the same like the pace I was
like I would get flatlined if I was out there
right now, like these women are so good and they're

(41:18):
also so fun on the bench too, Like you would
see i'd see like Sarah Nurse or someone just singing
like Rihanna on the bench while like you know, they're
out there like killing people, but like they have such
a good The vibes were just off the charts.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
I loved.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I loved the vibes of the PWHL. And I think
I'd be curious in your opinion, because of the level
of this league and the international aspect of so many
players from all around the world in it, how do
you think this upcoming Olympics is going to maybe be
influenced or affected by the fact that the PWHL is

(41:54):
so strong for so many nations.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
I think it's going to help tremendously. I mean, if
you look at the women's game to start with, I
mean I feel every Olympic year, the skill and the
speed and the execution on the ice, I feel it
has gotten so much better from one Olympics to the next.
And that's what I always say when I look back
to my skill level as an eighteen year old when
I first made it, I just feel like it's not
even in the same conversation of the players that are

(42:20):
making it at a young age in today's game, and
I feel like that's what's amazing to see, and certainly
it is. It's a different lead up time for the
Olympics because even if you look at Canada as one example,
they would centralize and the team would move to Calgary
full time to train. Well, now they have this elite,
intense league to play in, so they have these smaller

(42:41):
windows where they get together as a team, and so
I just think it's going to help the game, you know,
in terms of the performance level and the skill that
you're going to see at the Olympics. And I mean,
as you mentioned too, Julie, just the level that you're seeing.
There is more competition than ever to earn those spots
on the roster, and so those are going to be decisions.

(43:04):
I think that's a credit to the PWHL and the
level of play that you're seeing from all of those
teams that I just think it's great and the Olympics
site are going to be incredible.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, being the Olympic year, Olympic season, obviously we're covering
the NHL and I want to talk about that a
little bit. Is you know this year, this season especially
has been wild. I guess you could say, right, A
lot of parody, a lot of injuries, just a lot
of different storylines happening. What has jumped out to you
this season so far covering the NHLH Well.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
I think, as you mentioned, I think parody, that's you know,
so lot. Often every season people say, oh, it's such
a lock in at American Thanksgiving right for the playoffs.
But I don't think that's the case this year. You've
got so many teams there are just a few points
back from a playoff spot or unexpected teams that are
you know, near the top of the standings. But I
don't know when you're talking about perhaps biggest surprise or

(44:05):
most exciting thing in the league, I don't It might
have to be Celebrini and Badard and the performances that
they've had so far. I just think the skill level
in some of these games. But you know what, it's
almost a similar comment that I just made for the
women's game. If you look at the NHL and guys
that have brought themselves now into contention are the conversation

(44:26):
to Viuy for spots on their respective Olympic teams, and
certainly I know for Hockey Night in Canada or Wednesday
Night Hockey here in sports Net, it is a weekly
conversation on where the rosters are or who who could
earn those spots, And I think that's just I mean
credit to these athletes and whether it's Badared and Celebrini
or whether it's Wilson or Suzuki or Shifley for Team Canada,

(44:50):
that who's going to bring themselves into the fold. And
I think they've all played really well that it makes
these conversations very intriguing.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
So really quickly, is Celebrini, Shaefer and Badar on your
Team Canada roster? Oh?

Speaker 4 (45:05):
See, yes, I say yes to all of them. That's
what I said it. I said a look because the
one week we did Badard and Celebrini and I said, yes, absolutely,
come on, how can you not take them? And then
the following week we did one. This is sort of
that maybe you wouldn't expect to hear. And I put
Schaeffer in there too, because I think he's been phenomenal.
So yes, I say, definitely, what do you guys think?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I'm with you?

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Yes, I'm with you, I agree, we agree.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
I think the shaved one has to be the one
that's the biggest question mark at this point. But also
got to ask you in net Scott Wedgwood, do you
think he's worked himself in that conversation.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
I do, yes, in terms of final decision. That's tough,
but definitely worked into the conversation. And I'm going to
go back to one more Shafer comment because I think, Okay, yeah, yeah,
you're saying. If you're saying if it's close for him,
I feel like his character, like if there's any doubt
if you want to have him there or not. I
just feel like his character, his personality and what a

(46:02):
huge part of your national team program he could be
for such a long time. I just I feel like
his personality is such an additional, I don't know, sort
of strong point along with his play on the ice.
That's it. That's my last little Shaffer good teammate, I
like it. Good teammates teammates, right, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yes, that's all it is. I guess we have to
ask and talk about. I mean, you're in Toronto, a
lot of maple leafs talk, you know, what what do
they have to do? Is it internal? Is it, you know,
is it a move that they need to make? What
do they need to do?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Jent?

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Wow, that's I know that is a loaded question. That
is a loaded question. You know what. Here's the thing,
but Nate, you mentioned as well that teams have had
certain injuries, right, and I think that the same was
the case for the Leafs until very recently that they
had a lot of guys that were at whether it
was Matthews, whether it was Nice missing a few games.

(47:01):
You had two of their top d that were out
so and then they had goaltending injuries at one point
or people that were on leave. So I just I
think it's too early to ring the panic alarm, you know,
And I know everyone's going to feel differently, but I
just feel like you've got to give this time, this
team a little bit of time to play healthy. And

(47:24):
you know, they've experimented with different line combinations quite a
bit recently. There were some scratches over the last few
weeks on you know, healthy scratches in the lineup, but
you still look at their roster and the talent that
they have, I think that they can find a way
to shift things around and start to get the result

(47:45):
that they believe that they can accomplish.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
I think that look like you said, they're too talented.
There's too many superstar players on their team.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
And I believe.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
I think Craig Burubi is a really good coach. And
I think that you know, you don't have that big
of a drop off from last year this year. I'm
my last question for you, Jen, and I'm a girl dad,
So what's what's What's what's one piece of advice you
would you know you would wish younger players or especially
girls heard more often.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
Well, I think if I had to pick one thing,
I think the sort of the baseline would be to
believe in yourself. And I think underneath that is to
not rely on other people's confidence in you to have
that belief, And I think that's one thing. We've talked
a bit about my career as a player and then
in the broadcasting world, and someone asked me not long ago,

(48:41):
if I would have done anything differently right in either
point of my my life, like as a player as
an analyst, and I said, oh, actually, you know I
and I always tried to take the approach in my
life of having no regrets and so but then this
one thing came to mind. I thought, you know, I
think I would have relied less on other people's confidence
in me. Right, It was always nice to play for
a coach that reminded you of all your strengths or

(49:04):
the values that you bring, or all the good things
that you do. And certainly it's always nice to get
external reinforcement in any field or in any industry. But
I think for young kids especially, don't rely on that
on someone else to create your confidence or your self belief.
And so I think that's the first thing that comes
to mind. Just make sure that you believe in yourself

(49:24):
and don't rely on others to find that value in
the self confidence. That's great.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
I just wrote that down because I know that was
for Nate's daughter, but also for me as well, because
I think that that's really.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Important for all of us.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
We're, like I literally wrote, to not rely on other
people's confidence, you create confidence self belief. I think that
is very sage advice because we do look to other
people for validation in ourselves, even without recognizing it or
knowing it, and even when we think we do believe
in ourselves.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
So thank you for the reminder.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Jen.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
You are such an inspiration to all of us from
on the ice in your playing days too, of course
off the ice, and who you are as a person
really shines through in your work and everything that you've
said here today. So we really appreciate you taking the
time to be on the show here with us.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Oh, it's been such a pleasure. Thanks for the nice conversation.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Welcome back to Energy Line with Nate and JSB. We
are very fortunate to have had Jen Bottrell on the show.
And she's just literally so busy, and she has a family,
and she's incredible. She is as nice and as genuine
as you see there and listen there as in real life.
And I was fortunate enough to work a game on
TNT with her and she's she's just.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
A great person. So we're really glad that we're able
to have her on.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, that was awesome. Thanks Julie forgetting her.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
I mean, I was just kind of like just I
don't know, I just wanted to listen to it all
the time, her insight, her answers, she's definitely a Hall
of famer.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, and she's been through she's been through it, and
she's also like a great person, and it's interesting. I
you know, kind of wanted to ask her like a
ton more questions about everything, but obviously we couldn't really
subject her to that much more being on here. Yeah, okay,
but with that being said, we want to pick our

(51:20):
games of the week, and they let you go first.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
I think I'm going to start with my two former
teams tomorrow. It's the Jets and Canadians. And I picked
these two teams because they've been They're not the same
team now as they were a month ago. Both these teams,
obviously they're dealt with injuries goaltending. The Jets is whether
four and six or last ten, Canadians four or five

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and one, so they had been pretty mediocre lately, and
I'm really looking forward to watching those two teams playing
see what see what happens.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Isn't didn't Connor Helbok knee surgery.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Yeah, he's out for I think it was like six
eight weeks something like that, six to eight weeks in
that range, So he's still out for a little bit
and they're just trying to find some stability back there.
I think, stability throughout their whole team. Obviously, it's tough
when you don't have Carna Alli Buck in the line up.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah, I got to stop the bleating there. I'd be
worried about Team USA with that situation, but whatever they
have Jake gott injureds it's not the same situation with Canada,
but Scott Wedgewood Yeah okay, So for me, I'm also
keeping it going up north and that is hockey Night
in Canada to stick with our guests, and it is

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going to be Saturday night, your former team Habs and
the Leafs because Montreal Toronto on a Saturday night when
both teams are really looking for points, and it's going
to be bloodbath and I want I'm very curious to
see what those teams are like at that point too

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during the week, because a lot can happen from when
we record this Suna Tuesday to Saturday night. And all
we know is that when those two teams go together,
the fans are crazy.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
And I believe this team.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
This game is in Toronto, fortunately not at the Bell Center,
because that's that's the best.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
What's that French song they play when they score?

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I don't want to, I don't want to. Yeah, it's so.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Good, something like that. Yeah, some French you.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Were you were very close. Yeah that was good. You're
very close. But yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
I'm not going to attempt to do it because I
don't want to date. Now your turn to try to
Oh no, no, but it's electric.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
I'll give it that. It's electric when they.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Do it, it is electric.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
All right, everyone, Thank you so much for listening to
this episode of Energy Line with Nate and jaseb. We
want to thank Jen Bottrell, Hockey Hall of Famer, for
joining us here on the program, our producer Matt Hevia
for keeping us in the lane that we are supposed
to be in. And Nate, thank you for all your
insight analysis, and thanks to our listeners for joining us here, liking, subscribing,

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