September 16, 2025 • 52 mins
Training camps are about to start in the NHL, and things are getting...Wild
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Kirill Kaprizov turned down a huge contract offer from Minnesota. Is he on his way out? If so, where will he land? And what will this mean for Connor McDavid's free agency?
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JT Miller is the 29th captain of the New York Rangers. Nate and Julie talk about why he's the right man for the job.
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Pete DeBoer reflects on the end of his time in Dallas, and Nate identifies a trend that could be holding back teams coached by DeBoer.
- Also, Julie and Nate sit down with Jake Oettinger to talk about how he recovered from last year's disappointment, his golf game, and playing for a new coach this upcoming season.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Energy Line is a production of the NHL and I
Heart podcasts. Welcome On into the Energy Line with Nate
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and js b M Julie Swart Binks and he is
former NHL player Nate Thompson. Energy Line is a production
of the NHL and iHeart podcasts Nader Tator. We are
back on separate coasts, the East and the West, after
being in Vegas last week for the Player Media Tour
for the NHL. We were in person, which was such
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a delight after being doing this, you know, through this screen.
But I have to ask you. I thought about it
so much and I realized I didn't ask you in
the moment, like what was that like being on the
other side of of be of doing the interviews with
the players, sort of like very fresh post career.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It was fun. It was I wouldn't say it was
easy by any means. It's definitely not easy. So I
give a whole you know, credit to everyone in this
in this line of work, especially you, Julie asking questions.
It's not it's not an easy it's you're welcome. It's
not an easy thing to do. Uh, but it was fun.
It was exciting. I mean, we talked about it right,
like after the Patrick Kane interview, like I wanted to
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like go work out like fifty times, you know what
I mean. I was so amped up because it was
just it was so fun, right like I had a blast.
It was it was something I've never done before. But
to get to experience that and learn and learn from
you and others, it was it was great.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So what just as a follow up, I mean like
having been on the other side of all these interviews
and now having seen how like the journalists operate and
even just the conversations where we have where I'm like,
all right, we've got to get this out of this
guy because this is the biggest topic, Like how did
that feel?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It was? That was interesting too because I was like
thinking back at like my own, you know, experiences, being
like wow, like some of the interviews, I didn't give
shit to them, Like I was just just monotone, nothing
like cliches, and and now I get it, like now
I get it with especially hockey guys, right like we
don't give a whole lot with answers, and so it
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was nice. It was refreshing to get answers from like
Patrick Kane and Outen during those guys. They you know,
they gave good, thoughtful answers and articulate answers, and it
made it a lot more entertaining for us obviously, a
lot more easy for us to write.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And we have a lot of different interviews that will
come in the following weeks, including one that you reminded
me of that we did with Brady Shay and in
the middle of him answering a question to me, I
was just like, stop, like, stop with the hockey cliches.
I just I couldn't. I was like, okay, like, luckily
we have this platform, we can do this. I couldn't
do that sideline being like stop talking about hockey play ches.
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And I think he didn't even realize he was doing it.
It was just like he just went boom into into
hockey player and then he laughed and was like, okay,
all right. I kind of loosened up a bit, which
I think is a really nice byproduct to sort of
the proliferation of how media has been around the NHL recently.
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So I got to ask you, though, because we are
on the energy that date, Yes we are, as we
are catching up what's been What's either given you energy
this week or what you're excited about or what's happened
that's been like yes energy this week.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well, I I did go to Disneyland this past Friday
with my daughter, which was amazing. It was a not
a it was a very tiring day, I'll tell you
that I was. It took me like two days to
recover from me I fit, but that was great. And
then upcoming this week, I'm supposed to have a jiu
jitsu match on Saturday, competing. I haven't found out who
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I'm going against or what time I'm supposed to know. Actually,
maybe today or tomorrow. My professor, coach from the school
I go to, he's competing too. He's the one that
got me to got me to got me to do it.
It's it's called Fight to Win BJJ. It's the Instagram
is F two w b JJ and it's like a
whole production, like they have lights and they they give
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you walk out song music and the whole thing. And
so I'm competing in the gee on Saturday, hopefully at
my belt level against someone and they and they they match,
they match you with someone even so I'm sure someone
will be the same belt level, same age, around the
same weight, So I'm a little nervous obviously, this is
how I felt before last time competing. But but it's exciting,
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it's good. It's it's good for me personally, like it
it gets you out of gets me out of myself
a little bit, challenges me a little bit. You know,
I don't over over my whole life. Really, I never
really did any you know, martial arts or anything solo.
So be able to do this by myself is uh,
it's a it's it's a hell of an experience. But
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
That is OD some congratulations day. We are super pumped
for you with the fight. I wasn't sure if you
had it yet, Like you're gonna do it, but you
got it. And can we just confirm that can we
call your teacher professor instead of your coach, like yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, yeah, professor sounds better, Yeah, professor yeah, professor ian
professor ian?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Great?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And what's your walkout song? Have you figured that out?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I don't know yet. Maybe we can brainstorm and get
a good one.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yes, I know, I mean like I do know you
like Lymbisi and and Eminem got it?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I do, I do? I like it all. Well, we'll
think of something though, it'll be fun. I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I'm pumped for you. Okay. The final question in My
In My My, Barbara Walters sits on interview with Nate
about his upcoming fight, is it is there a fighter
or even like a hockey player or an athlete that
you are inspired by when you get out there?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Mmmm?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Uh? I think you know what. I think. I when
I look at other athletes or actors or actresses that
have do jiu jitsu, I think that's the inspiration. Like
I see guys like like Tom Hardy, Like Tom Hardy
is a big jiu jitsu guy, purple belt and competes
all over the world. Like he'll just show up to
a competition and compete and people are like, whoaha, whoa,
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that's that's Tom Hardy, you know what I mean. So
I think that's amazing to have like that kind of
gumption to be like, all right, I'm just gonna go compete.
It makes me better. It's a challenge like maybe I'll lose,
you know, but at the end of the day, it's
it's uh, it's pretty maybe I'll win, who knows, but
it's uh, it's good for it's it's good for you
no matter what.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, we're excited. We'll have to get a full review.
Check in on that coming up next week.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I will leave you updated.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, okay, Well I'm gonna I'm gonna ask myself a question. Truly,
I was.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I was just gonna ask you what No, hold on,
I wasn't done yet. I was gonna ask what is
bringing you the energy this week? Are you going to
like five concerts this week instead of three?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well? I had thought about going to do a lipa,
but I did actually have the most New York weekend
ever where I went to an ESPN a WNBA New
York Fashion Week show where Sierra was there. And let
me tell you, if you ever want to really feel
like you have no idea how to dress yourself, go
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to a New York Fashion Week event. I thought I
was wearing something cool. No, I stood out like I
sore thumb of someone who had looked like they dressed
themselves in the dark, even though I had planned this
outfit because everyone looks so cool. All right, let's get
let's get into it. Let's get into the hockey right now,
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because things are heating up as the season approaches and
as we record this On Tuesday morning, we have learned
that the New York Rangers have named JT. Miller. They're
twenty ninth the captain in franchise history. We have heard
a lot about JT. Miller. He came in with a
lot of judge energy last year. Nate, you know him,
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you know his style, you know what the Rangers need.
Is this the right guy?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Absolutely? This is spot on. I think the writing was
on the wall when they traded for him and saw
how he played last year, or saw how he led
his team, and I think just the way he plays,
but not only it's it's his demeanor, It's how he
is off the ice. He pulls everybody into the fight.
I think it was between him and Vinnie Trochik, to
be honest, and I think they made the right decision.
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You could have gone either way, but obviously those two
are best friends. And now you have you know JT.
Miller as the captain, and Mike Sullivan has a ton
of familiarity with JT. Miller, same with Jury, you know
with us stuff, and you know he was in New
York before when Sullivan was the assistant coach. So I
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think that this is a great call making him the captain.
I think, like I said, the way he plays, he
plays a two hundred foot game. He's not afraid to fight,
He'll run you over, and those are the things that
you want in a captain. So good on the Rangers.
I think you made the right choice and JT. Miller
is the right captain for them.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I think he definitely adds a different dynamic to this
team that certainly needs some kind of dynamic spark heading
into the season with how things ended last year. But
to play Devil's advocate, how do you think, like we
look at his career with New York and how well
you know, he was part of that Cup run all
this kind of stuff, but things didn't really go so
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well from a Vancouver Like, were there any things that
maybe management or anyone would think about that would be like, okay,
let's let's think about this in terms of his captainship.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, I'm sure that would that came to the forefront.
I'm sure that was talked about and I'm sure they
had conversation with JT. Miller about it. You know, I
think that you know, you learn, and I know from
experience being on different teams and you go through different
experiences whatever happens on that team, and you go to
a new team and you learn from it, and I'm
sure JT. Miller has learned from it. I think that
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they wouldn't have made him the captain if they didn't
think he can handle it. I think the situation in
Vancouver was, you know, just a bad scenario on both sides,
and they just had they had to move on. And
now he's in a good spot. And I think he's
in a good spot with a good team. And like
I said, I think this is a home run, home
run pick for.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
The Rangers, right. I do believe as he came to
New York, it felt as though he almost found like
a new life, right, Like it's going to new school,
it's going to a new team. We know that different
scenarios have different impact and effects on people, and like
I just remember watching him just like chasing down pucks,
just going hard to the net, like he just he
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was going for it.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well yeah, and it's when he came on the team
last year. We were talking about right and how they
were missing that and it was almost like when he
came there was a little bit of a change in
their team. And I think you know that's a captain.
That's what captains do. You know, They lead by example. They,
like I said, they bring guys in the fight and
guys following. That's what JT. Miller did last year.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You just reminded me that we were doing this podcast
when J. T. Miller became a Ranger. I know I
did not remember. Yeah we had Wow, Wow we've been
around though. Oh yeah, you're right, we did do this podcast. Yeah,
it's been the hockey season minus like maybe like three
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weeks in the summer is continuous. But those three weeks
the guys go and get married and go to Italy
and stuff. Is like the one time that we don't
talk hockey.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
They do a lot in a short amount of time.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, we do exactly. And how would you say that?
Just to finish up on JT. Miller with this, in
what way do you think this this influences the Rangers
room for this season and how does it change the
outlook on the Rangers going forward for this season?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I think it sets the tone. I think it shows
everyone else in that locker room that Okay, he's the guy.
We're not gonna figure out who's going to be the captain,
Who's going to lead us. He's the guy, and I'm
sure they stressed that, and I think Mike Sullivan wants
their team to get off to the races right away.
And I think that this helps side it. There's no
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you know, uncertainty of who's going to be the captain.
It's the media doesn't have to speculate, and he's the guy.
We don't have to speculate. And you know, now now
they can get going and they can have a better
year than they did last year.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Right it kind of felt like a rudderless ship at
points last.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Year, it really did. I want to I'm curious if
I predicted this or not, but back in our podcast,
if I said he was a future captain or not, But.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I'm going to say, Nate, that wouldn't be like the
most outrageous prediction because I don't think so considering the fields.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, that it was. It was between him and Vinie Trochek,
don't you think Big ten ye?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And I think Vincent Krochuck would have made an incredible
captain as well.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Well. Let me ask you quickly, I mean, what do
you think when you cover the Rangers all the time,
So what is your take on it?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well, I didn't get to speak with J. T. Miller
a whole lot last year because the Rangers did so
poorly that I was never sent over to cover them anymore.
So I don't really know him extremely well, but I
do know Vincent Trochuck was always a guy that we
could I think it's it's interesting I feel as though
a guy like Vincent Trojak has been through a lot
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of the bad times with the team, or like i'd
say he's been through the good times, he's been through
the bad times. And I find like that experience of
kind of like understanding the pulse of the room is
really important. But then it's like maybe sometimes having that
in your head might not necessarily be a good thing,
because it's like if something you know, it's kind of
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like ignorance is bliss sometimes in a way. And I
think that maybe in this situation, like J. T. Miller
doesn't necessarily know what it was maybe like when the
memo went out or when these things went out, and
like he kind of knows what it was like when
the good times were going, and so if something does
go off to the rails, like he's not gonna be like, oh,
here we go again. Like, this is what's gonna happen,
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and the media are gonna be here and they're gonna
he kind of might just be like, all right, this
is just you know, another day in New York. It's
also not Vancouver, where he also had to go through
so much there, so it's a completely different situation, so
just maybe kind of having a new voice, new blood.
But I do think that nothing happens in a vacuum.
I think these captains also rely a lot on their
teammates and probably talk to them. I don't know, you
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could tell me.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Is the Yeah, there's there's there's leadership groups. It's not
just the guys that were letters. There's other guys that
you know, have been around their veterans that are part
of leadership groups. And I'm sure that JT is gonna
lean on those guys.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Too, right, just to kind of like, hey, if you're
bouncing ideas off guys, or if you're just talking with
them or whatever. But yeah, I feel like Vinnie and
and Miller are like the same. They're kind of like yeah,
because they are, They're like they are, they grew up together.
All the pictures of them as kids. Yeah, for sure,
I love that Okay, moving on to our next topic
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of the Carill caprites off. Is it caprite stuff? I've
been in Italy too long, guys. Sorry, Watch where I
say my z's as like a like. Capriza's obviously not Italian,
He's Russian. Okay. Last week, the Star Wild the Star
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Wild's eight year, one twenty eight million dollar offer sixteen
AAV million AAV which would have been the largest deal
in NHL history. Of course, as we know, he did
not take that deal, and there's been a speculation after
speculation what this means. Does it mean that he wants
to go somewhere else? Does this mean he wants more money?
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Does this change the entire landscape of how players are
going to be paid going forward? When you heard this,
because we weren't we already recorded our podcast before this
came out, what was your initial reaction him turning it down?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Holy shit? That was my reaction, to be honest, Holy shit,
it turned down that much. But I mean, there's been
rumors and reports of him getting the same or more
in Russia, so I think that maybe that's a leverage,
and you know, is bargaining and negotiating this this deal,
But I don't know this is this isn't a tough
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spot for Billy Jared Billy garr in the while because
sixteen million AAV a year, I mean, when you're paying
that just one guy that much money and respectfully career,
Caprisov is I think top five, top ten player in
the league, no question, right. But this is interesting, Julie
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because you know he turns down sixteen AAV and you
have Connor mc david waiting, which I think he's waiting
on Caprisof to see what he's going to sign, and
he's just going to go above that. So hypothetically, I mean,
who knows Caprisof ends up. I think that the wild
They're going to get it done. I think that Caprisov
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wants to be there. They want him there. I think
it's just a hard negotiation right now. I think they
might come up a little bit from sixteen. He's going
to take that, and then connorc David's probably going to
get seventeen or above, is what I think. That's my guess.
But Carilla Caprisov, I mean, he's the best player of
the team. They are obviously a whole different team with
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him in the lineup. He's dynamic, he's he's the one
winger in the league that you can rate him higher
than other centers because he creates so much as a winger.
And I think that's what separates him from a lot
of wingers in the league, is because he can create
so much, kind of like a Kutrov.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Right, Yeah, he is. I agree with you on that.
I remember Kyle Bagoscis did an interview with Craig Leopold
who said that they would do whatever it takes to
sign him. So when you know that you have that leverage,
you can kind of hold out. It's like, Okay, sixteen
million is great, but if you said you can do
whatever it takes, like, why wouldn't I wait to see
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how far you'll go. It's not like really a game
of chicken, because it feels as though Kapritzov will sign
there no matter. Like even his teammates are like, yeah,
he's I mean, I don't know what your teammates are
supposed to say other than what they're all saying, which
is we expect him to be back here kind of thing.
But I even just looking at the like everyone speculating
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let you go with the Rangers because his agent has
has our Temmy Panerin, and he's friends with Igorsha Stirkin
and all these guys. But then, like I then was
reading more into the fact that if he was to
go to the Rangers, that would like his agent would
then be thinking, Okay, that's going to affect the potential
money for paneren Like even if they are friends, like
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an agent would be thinking about money wise. But I
think that they go, yeah, I think he I think
this changes the market. This could be one of these
things we look back on and say, remember when he
held out a little bit and then Connor McDavid got
twenty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, we'll see too. It could be Julian we and
that there's speculations that as well as I think Carial
caprice Off is a guy, well he's that good where
any team, like I'm sure Billy Garrett is his phone's
ringing right now or he's getting text from other teams.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Can you text him because you guys are you guys
are text.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
To find out what's going on with the agociations. But
I think any team is going to be willing to
trade for this guy. I like the teams that we're
trying to speculate where he go. But I think any
team is going to make a deal for him. He's
that good. I think any team's being like, all right, yeah,
we'll take him at that price because he's a game changer.
So I don't know, we'll see. It's it's gonna be
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interesting with with training camp starts tomorrow, so this is
it's a exciting This is an exciting time. This is
what it's all about. And I hope that this gets
done because the Wild need him, and then I hope
Connor gets done so we can see where we're where
we're priced at.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, but I also just to your point to cap
this off a bit, is like I don't think a
team that's going to be really good like Florida is
going to be able to offer him no more, right,
Like we know that, Like there's certain things where it's like, okay,
they're not necessarily going to move things around like that.
So sometimes it's like is it do you want money
or do you want, you know, to go to a
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really really good team or we're somewhere in between or
somewhere sort of like the Wild aren't bad by any means,
Like they're a good team, but.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
They're going like this, they're going up, like their trajectory
is going up. So that's got to be in his
mind too, like this team is getting better, We're going
to be able to win soon. I think they're going
to be a contender, So he has to think about
that as well. I mean, it's it's a dicey situation.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, I find that fascinating. Like I think it's good
for someone like craigly Well to put out there like
we'll do whatever it takes to get it done, like
showing like hey, if we want him, he's going to
be there forever. But then like to that same point,
it's like, uh, you have zero leverage now that you
just were like, hey, all, here's all our cards. What
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do you guys think? Anyway, it's exciting because it could
change what's going on in the NHL, and we know
that that could change, as Nate Dogg said that, it
could change Conoric David situation, which of course the Prime
Minister of Canada is calling on to get him signed,
which is banana sandwich.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
That's crazy, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Like what I just actually loved that. I thought that
was pretty up. So it's so Canada. I think elected
officials in Canada should be calling on NHL trades and deals.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
To me, have them been out stuff yet?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah? Yeah, right, just feel it just feels like part
of the DNA. Okay, let's move on to our final
big story of the week, which is Pete de Boor,
former NHL head coach for the time being, spoke to
the NHL about last year's playoff drama with Jake Ottinger
and he said this, listen, we were all to blame
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for coming up short again and it starts with me.
Debor candidly said, in an exclusive sit down with NHL
dot Com, his first public comment since being fired by
the Stars on June sixth, quote, it was on me.
It was on all the coaches, It was on all
the players, It was on the organization as a whole.
We all created the disappointment. We are all to blame,
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not just one guy. When all the questions at the
postgame press conference were about Jake, I should have redirected
the topic to reflect that this wasn't just about him.
This was about all of us. We and I stressed
the word we did not get the job done. We
were on a run in which we'd lost six of
our past seven games against Edmonton in the third round,
dating back to twenty twenty four. In one of my answers,
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I said he'd lost six of seven to them, but
it wasn't just him, it was all of us. That's
not on one just one guy. I should have made
that clearer now. Jake Ottinger agrees and said as much
when informed of divorce comments while meeting with NHL dot
Com at the NHL Slash Nhlpaight North American Player Tour
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in Henderson, Nevada on Tuesday. Quote, I mean, I think
I feel like he hit the nail on the head,
Ottinger said, I agree with what his reflection was. I'm
glad he said what he said.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Nate thoughts should have would have could a I mean,
I'm glad he addressed it and he talked about it
and he said we and he you know, he didn't
put all the blame on Jake Ottinger. You know, I
wish he would have brought that up at the time
at the presser after the game, and you know, things happen,
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Accidents happened. It's interesting and we've talked about this, Julie.
We talked about with Matt too a producer that there's
a bit of a trend with Pete de Boor and
he is a really really good coach. He's won so much.
He's been to the finals a couple of times, conference finals.
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But each coach seems to have you know that can't
get over the hump. There's always in a little bit
of an Achilles heel, I feel like, and with him,
it seems you look at the trend, it seems to
be the goalies he's had over the years, and there's
been I don't know if it's been a differences he's
had with him or he hasn't. I mean, I don't
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know what it is. But you look, you go back
to Jersey, to Vegas, to San Jose. Where do you
go next?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, Dallas, every team pretty much.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Every team every team right you look at you know,
Jersey Broader and then San Jose, Martin Jones. I mean,
all these teams, Vegas, Flurry, Dallas, Ottinger like, you have
really good goalies and you know you're not able to
get over the hump, and that seems to be the
issue when that happens. So, I don't know, it's something
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I looked at see over the course of his career,
really good coach, and sometimes coaches learned from this. Mate.
Maybe this is something that he'll learn from in his
next job, because we all know Pete de Boor is
going to get hired again. He's going to get hired
again at some point. It's just the way it goes.
He's too good at coach, someone's going to give him
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an opportunity and hopefully, like for everything that happened with
Jake Odger, hopefully he learns from it.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Okay, so you believe that, Like I was just looking
back at a chiktok I made last year, and it's
making fun of this trend called the butterfly effects, where
you know, it's like if this happens, this happens. I said, Okay,
I'm wearing a Dallas Oars jersey. I said. The butterflyffect
is crazy because if Pete de Boor hadn't been fired
by the Florida Panthers, New Jersey Devil, San Jose Sharks
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or Vegas Golden Knights, he'd never be coaching the Dallas
Stars and the Stanley Cup playoffs. So you know, when
you can sort of look at that list, it's like
how many times how many chances you get before someone's like,
I don't think this is the guy that can take
us to the promised Land.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
That's a good question, truly, that's a very good question.
You're right. I mean, that's a valid that's a valid question.
It is. But this is the league where we all
know we you know, we go through a lot of
the same coaches. It's just the way the way it goes.
And Pete de Boor is a good coach. Guys like
playing for him. You know, he hasn't gotten okay cast
the big game, but he will get hired again. I
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know you're like, how is he going to get hired again?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
No, I know he'll get hired again. But it seems
like the NHL, and like NHL coaches and you know,
front offices would rather go with like this guy can
at least get us close, sir than we might be now,
versus like, maybe let's go for something a little bit
different and see if this like we're gonna roll the
dice on something that could get us all the way
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or not. But maybe with the Boor feels like a
safe option.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, well he is, for sure, he's a he's he's
never won, but he's been there, he's almost one, and
there's been a lot of other coaches like that. If
you think about it, I mean, look at Paul Maurice.
How long was it until he won? And he's laughing now.
So I think there's still a chance for Pete de
Boor because, like I said, I've heard so many big
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positive things about him throughout the league through different players.
They love playing for him, good guy, good communicator, and
he's gonna get another chance. And who knows. Like I said,
coaches learn over the course of their career, they have
to evolve. We've seen that in other coaches. You look
at a guy like Rick Hackett, John Cooper, these guys
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like they have they've e vall as their coaching career
has gone on, and you have to and I think
you will see the same from Pete de Boorer.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Okay, So then bold prediction. If blank team doesn't get
out to a good enough start to this year, potentially
Pete de Boor could be there. Which team do you
think that could most likely be?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Los Angeles Kings? Jim Hiller, Yeah, and I like Jim Hiller.
I'm just saying hypothetically, if they don't get to a
good start. Ken Holland is a general man, new general
manager there, you know, Jim Hiller is not his guy,
and who's sitting in the weeds Pete de Boer to
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take over the help when you know you have and
it's a good team too.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, and I think that's great, like okay, even though
it's just, you know, kind of lamenting the fact that
like he hasn't gotten it done, but it's nice to
know you have Pete de Boor sitting in the wings
when you're if your coach doesn't work out for you, right. Yeah,
I also would probably would maybe, but I don't think
it would. But Patrick wah in there because the Islanders
have been a little when you're hot and you and
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it's very so bad. Obviously I know that song better
than I just sang it. But I think that Lindy
Ruff and the Buffalo Sabers might be another one that
could be on the hot seat as well. But we'll
have to see what happens. I do want to I
do think I like Ottinger's comments there being like you
know how if someone does you wrong and then they
like are like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. I apologize.
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I shouldn't have said that and you just go like,
thank you for your apology.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, I agree. I think that was great how I
acknowledged it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Pete shouldn't have said that.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, no, no, he shouldn't have. Definitely not. I mean
we Yeah, he probably still might still be in Dallas
if you did say that. Figure about it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, that's a that's a
that's a tough one as a coach at the end
of a game if you feel that way and you're
really heated and you just say it. I don't know
how hockey players don't say I mean, like as we've
tried to just scratch and claw answering out of them,
Like I'm surprised that people don't say more stuff when
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they're heated about about what's going on. Because you have
a microphone in your face after a loss like that
and you've done something like that, you probably are going
to put the blame. Maybe, but I think probably he
learned from that, like, oh, I got to be able
to control myself a bit more like this is a
team that's that would be in my mind a misstep
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for Pizza Bor Like that seems like level one coaching.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, that's that's a part of his career in a
moment that he'll learn from and probably doesn't want to
bring up against right.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
And I do believe people have been like, oh, should
he have addressed this sooner? But I think with the
way the NHL season goes, where it's like, okay, he
says it, the off season happens, and nobody gives a
fuck about the Dallas Stars once they're out and we
go on to Stanley Cup, and then as the media
tour happens, this was probably the perfect time for him
to address it, for it to have any kind of
weight and be like, you know, it could have come
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out in the summer and people be up at their
cottages and on the lake and like not really thinking
about it. But this and then also having Ottinger being
able to respond it just sort of puts it all
to bed before the end of the season. But speaking
of Ottinger, Nate and I had a chance to speak
with the Stars goaltender at the NHL Player Media Week
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in Vegas about his off season, his golf game, and
how everything ended last season, including that infamous Game five
where he was pulled. All that and more coming up
after this break. All right, Well, we are very grateful
to be joined by Jay Ottinger from the Dallas Stars,
also from Team USA. And how how's the off season been?
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How has it been? Kind of reflecting on last year
and we've been up to.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I've been playing a lot of golf, sorry, playing a
lot of golf, moved into a new house, and my
wife's pregnant.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Is this your wife you're pointing to? Okay, great, congratulations, gration.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
How how far along is she? Uh?
Speaker 3 (32:23):
She's seven months a sow.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
We're getting there, boy, boy or girl?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Do you guys know find out?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Not finding out? Okay, can keep it a surprise.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I love it all right, I'm open boy, but we'll
see you know that goes so?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
And you're hoping girl?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, I mean like that's just how it goes. Right.
Is this your first.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Child, first kid? Yeah, first kid in the whole family.
So oh, everyone's super pumped.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, that's amazing, that's amazing. So you're talking about your
golf game, So what's your your what's your headicap at
now after a full summer?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, it used to be like a zero.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Oh you're a stick.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I don't know what happened. So Yeah, with the amount
of money and time that I spent on golf, I
should probably be like on tour, but I'm not so.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Listen like if Rory and Bryce and last year at
US Open taught us anything like, golf is fucking hard,
really hard.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, it's frustrating, but that's why I feel like everyone
on Earth like loves it.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Now. Yeah, so home was Minnesota for you in the
summer time? Okay, okay, where where in Minnesota are you?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Lakeville? It's like twenty twenty five minutes south of Twin Cities.
So we both grew up there and both of our
families still live there and stuff, So that's we kind
of settled down there in the summer now.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Love that for you. And so just with I'd love
to talk more about your golf game, but we because
we had Brady.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Shae on and he's, oh, he's way better than me.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
He corrected us when Nate said, oh, you're a plus two,
and he's like, no, I'm scratch golf.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, he's from Lakeville too, so he's.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Oh, oh, maybe it's something in the Lakeville most water.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yes, yeah, it must be. I don't like playing with
them though, because he makes me feel pretty bad about myself.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
He said his clubs were too strong.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Yeah, I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I know, yeah, I know what that means. Yeah, but yeah,
just I guess getting back to obviously hockey and whatnot,
Just how's it been kind of like maybe taking time
to reflect on how last season went and what are
your biggest takeaways from that?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah? I think obviously didn't end like how any of
us wanted to, and a little more like dramatic than
I would have liked. But just I think kind of
when I try to look back, I'm trying to take
the good things that I did. I think, you know,
I played great for you know, a few rounds there,
and then I'm just focused on now, like how can
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I try to keep that consistency for four rounds? And
I mean we've been to the same spot three years
in a row, so we got to change something in
order to, you know, finally get over at last home.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You you know, you're at an Olympic orientation camp and
obviously guys like Jeremy Swayman and Connor Hallibuck and those
guys that you played with, Like, are there things that
you've taken away from them since since playing with.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Them, Yeah for sure. I mean I know sway from
like World Juniors, but I've never met Connor until Four
Nations and obviously you know how good he's been for
such a long stretch of time. It was fun to,
you know, get to see what he does like day
to day. And I think I took a lot from
both of them, like and even our goalie coach he's
with La and I love like seeing different opinions or
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I feel like every goalie has their like three or
four drills that they love to do, and so all
three of us were kind of like drawing up the
practice playing together and it was fun to you know,
take stuff that they like, and I feel like I
used stuff that I learned from there, like the rest
of the season from both those guys.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Would you ask Connor Hallibuk or those guys about playoffs
or talk about you know, experience and playing in those
big games.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, I think for me more I was kind of
like I like to watch kind of what they do
more than like ask questions. I think I learned well
just kind of like seeing even other it doesn't have
to be a goalie, just players, like watching Joe Pavelski
watching Connor Halbloch, like the way these guys like prepare
every day and the little stuff that they do to
get themselves ready for even just like practice and stuff,
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I think is what really stuck out to me. And
I feel like Connor had like a really like he
liked to do the same thing every day and obviously
he's found something that's worked for him for a very
long time. So I think for me, I was kind
of like, Okay, like you know, what do I like
to do every day that can kind of touch all
the basic stuff that I want to hit day and
day out. And I feel like I took that kind.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Of from him, And what is that thing you found
that you like to do every day?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Well, I he does a ton of just like basic
skating stuff, and I feel like that can get overlooked,
Like now I think it can be, so you can
be thinking about so many like big things when like
in reality, if you are in the right spot and
you know you're square to the puck, you get hit
a lot of times without really doing anything. So he's
kind of mastered dad, and I think that's all just
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from his skating. And so we just were doing like
skating drills that I did when I was like eight
years old, and I hadn't done that in such a
long time, and I was like, okay, like you know,
maybe I need to kind of get back to that
like foundational work a little bit.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
That's great to be able to take that away from
being around him, And I think it's unique having to
you're with him as a teammate for Team USA, but
you're also you know, you want that number one role,
but you're also battling him in the playoffs. Like how
would you describe that dynamic to someone who wouldn't understand?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, it's definitely interesting. I mean, like I think all
three of us are, you know, super competitive. Obviously we
all want them that there's only one that like players
are a little lucky they can can be on the third,
fourth line and so like contribute a lot. For a goalie,
it's either you're in or you're not. So I think
we all handled it well. Like, I mean, we all
were rooting for each other. We just wanted the team
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to win, and I think we all had the mindset
of Okay, if you know, if my numbers called, I'm
going to go in there and do my best. And
if not, then I'm gonna do everything I can help
the team win.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
You guys hired Glenn Goldzid as a head coach, and
you know, a coaching change, and he's obviously been in
Dallas before. Have you had conversations with him and how
excited do you play for him?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, I'm really excited. I just talked to him briefly
over the phone. I haven't been back to Texas yet.
We're going back after this, but I mean I've had
like the amount of people that reach out to me
saying how much I'm gonna like him or how great
their experiences that they've had with them obviously is really
exciting for me. And I mean my goalie coach called
me like after the first week of meetings when I
was like, Hey, You're gonna love this guy, Like, just
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had nothing but great things to say about him. So
I'm excited to meet him in person.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
We'd be remiss not to go back to kind of
what you mentioned with how the last the end of
last season was dramatic and how it ended, Like now
looking back at how things ended and just that game five,
what maybe how have you sort of processed what it
was like to get pulled in that game, and then
obviously hearing kind of the things that Pete Depoor had
(38:43):
said afterwards, how have you How do you look at
it now?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, I think I'm just trying to look at it
from a point of like, how what could I have
done better to prevent the whole situation? And that's keeps
a puck out of the net. So I think, you know,
you can't really control what other people do or their
decisions or what they say about you. You just trying to
focus on myself and you know, if I played great,
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then no one can pull me or say bad things
about me. So that's kind of what I'm focused on now,
and that's all in the rearview mirror for me.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Obviously, it wasn't all your fault, just like you know,
it's not it's not a you problem. You know, it's
a team as we all know for sure, but like
maybe just because you know we're not there, we're we're
obviously not goaltenders. What was that that feeling like when
that happened.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, it's like the worst feeling ever. You mean, you
you know, play all season, you put everything in your
heart and soul and everything that you have into you know,
trying to play your best for the guys in front
of you. And you know, when you feel like you,
you know, let the team down or you know, you
don't show up in those big moments that you you
dream about or you want to, it's obviously deflating, but
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extremely motivating to make sure that it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I'm sure your teammates are a hold as much fault
as you do. And and I've talked to you many times,
and I'm sure, like like anybody, you learn from all
these you know, different situations, and you know what teammates
on the team that you really like kind of lean
on and you know maybe in a serious situation or
after the season or going into or going into this season.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Yeah, well I think I mean, like after that game,
like Mason March and Matt Dumba both just like drove
right to my house like no text, nothing, just showed
up and wanted to just make sure I was okay
and hang out and try to take my mind off.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
So, you know, it's nice when you have and I
mean I had, like, you know, fifty people reach out.
Whether it was like other teammates i'd had, you know,
goalie coaches, head coaches, just I've had a lot of support,
which is great, and my family obviously, my wife, my
my parents. You know, they're kind of my rock, and
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that's all it goes sometimes. You know, it's a tough position,
tough profession, and you know that's what just makes the uh,
the good moments feel that much better when you have
stuff like that up And I.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Think like the greater hockey community just felt a lot
of empathy for you because you know, it's a tough
position to be in and you handled it with a
lot of grace and just like, you know, a lot
of maturity too, because I'm sure a lot of people
might not have have acted that way. How happy would
you be if Connor McDavid was in the East?
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, I mean I don't want to like start any
speculations at Edmonton or anything, but that would be uh,
that'd be good. But we also want to we want
to go through those guys at some point, so hopefully
he stays in the West and then we can finally
get over them.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
We talk about your captain and Jamie Benn and how
how he's been for you, I know, you know, playing
against him for so long, he was one of those
guys I always love watching because he just kind of
throwback in the way he plays no visor, all of it. Yeah,
how big has he been for you?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah, he's been great. I think he's one of those guys,
like I said, just like he just he doesn't like
talk about it. He just like does it, which I
think holds so much more weight. Like in our dressing
room in the last five years, I mean the amount
of young guys that we've had like in our room
has been has been great. But I mean everyone is
looking at him to set the example. And like I
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remember last year there was a picture that are like
strained coach sent and it was like all the like
he was in a group with like a bunch of
young guys at training camp and like they were all
gone and he like took a picture and he was
like on the bike for like forty five minutes, and
he's like, if he can do it, everyone can do it.
So I think he's yeah, like he's not gonna like
(42:32):
raw rog in your face. But then like when he
does talk, it makes it, you know, way ten times
more than if he was talking all the time. And yeah,
he just he's just someone that goes out there and
does it, And I mean it's kind of tough feeling
when you're walking out of the rink with your lunch
and the captain's still on the bike. He kind of
go back, Yeah exactly, like he kind of kind of
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shows that exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Hear better you want to chip? Yeah exactly bike.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, he's great, We'll let you go in a BIX.
We know that you have a tight schedule, but just
with obviously foreign nations, how everything ended with that, and
then knowing that the Olympics is coming up, obviously you're
you know, wanting to be a part of that team.
But what's maybe like the feeling with Team USA after
Canada wins in overtime and kind of just that you're
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so close and you guys are are you know, you're
both so both teams are so talented and now you
have a chance to actually win gold.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah for sure. Yeah, I think it's I feel like
everyone in our team felt like we were like the
best team in the tournament, which obviously doesn't mean anything
if you don't win it all. But I think we
should feel really confident about how we played and how
we handled that tournament. And yeah, I think. I mean,
that game is basically a coin flip at that point,
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so I feel like it should show us that, you know,
we feel like we can beat them and make us
even more excited to go try to try to win
it all in Milan.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Was there was there a US goalie that you grew
up watching that you.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, my favorite goalie growing up was Henrik Lundquist. But
I love Jonathan Quick, like him in his prime, Like
the Blackhawks Kings series that was like my like, yeah,
heyday of hockey fandom. So when Quick he was was
kicking in those runs, that was pretty special.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
It's pretty cool seeing him just like continuous.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
It's insane. Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Well, Jake, it's been such a pleasure being able to
talk with you. Thanks for being so open and honest
about just how you're feeling in the season, and we
wish you the best of luck this year and good
luck with obviously welcoming good luck.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Thanks appreciate it, Thanks thanks for having me us.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
That was our interview with Dallas Star's goaltender Jake Ottinger
and Nate We We've said it before. Just after listening
to it, looking at the transcript of the interview, But
the idea that when he went through that difficult time
of being pulled in game five, and how I really
appreciate it, how honest he was with us with his
feelings on it, but that Matt Dumba and Mason Marchmont
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just came over to his house, didn't text, just wanted
to make sure he was okay, which I really love
to hear because I can't imagine a player's mindset, mentality
and mental well being in a situation like that. So
it's nice to know and hear about all the support.
But curious from your vantage point, like have you ever
seen that with former teammates or gone through any of that?
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah? I have. I mean I remember even getting hurt
my last year in Philly, and you know, I was
thirty eight, and you know, you have a major shoulder surgery,
and you know you kind of understand that the levity
of it and how serious it is at that point
in your career, and this is obviously a different scenario,
but you know, the teammates came and checked on me,
called me, texted me, talked to me, and you know,
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made sure I was all right, And you know that's
just part of being on a pin on a team
and having good teammates and good guys and MARCHMT and
dumba doing without even texting and just showing up is awesome.
I mean, you love seeing stuff like that, especially you know,
you never know, I mean that that can affect you know,
we're obviously in a world today where mental health is
(46:15):
pretty important, and you know that can affect someone's mental health.
So to have teammates come over and check on you
and make sure that you're a right is it's pretty awesome. Actually,
it's just unreal.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah, it's a great story. And I think the idea
of just going knowing like, hey, like you got to
do this, versus asking, because you know how when when
you ask if people need help, like a lot of them,
they'll be like no, I'm okay, I'm fine, and they're
not right, and sometimes you need to just go and
then they can maybe you see them in person and
you can talk about it and see just how they
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really are. But I do think we we kind of
underestimate how important just being there for someone is and
and not not asking them if they're okay, just going
to go go and see, you know, be there for them.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, it's and I think that you know, it's one
of those situations where I remember, you know you, as
you know in any situation, you sit alone and you're
going to be thinking it over and over and run
all these scenarios in your head, and you know you
have a couple of friends or teammates come over. It
gets you out of your head and you know who knows.
I'm sure they had a couple of beers and forgot
about it and moved on and talked it out. And
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that helps you know when you have people that are
there for.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
You, right And as you mentioned in different like aspects
of life, we did this, me and my best friend.
We did this for our best friend when she had
her baby at twenty nine weeks like we asked, like
her water brokes, she had to have the baby early,
and we asked her husband like should we come? When
can we come see her? And he was like, I
(47:45):
think everything's fine, and me and her were just like, no,
we got to go. So we just we ignored him
and we just flew to Toronto and we were like,
you know, she hasn't never mom there. She's she's going
to rather have us be there than not. And it
was really valuable that we did that, because again, most
people like they don't want to be a nuisance to others.
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We're fine, We're fine, We're good for help. Yeah, exactly,
it's okay. And you're a big we're a big proponent
of mental health and asking for help and being honest
about what you're going through because everyone's going through something,
as we all know. And Nate, you mentioned that you
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had gone through shoulder surgery when you were thirty eight,
first of all, and thirty eight, I just realized. I
was like, if I have shoulder surgery, I ain't playing
for the Philadelphia Flyers, that's for sure. But Hory Perry,
your former teammate out six to eight weeks with an
injury that he sustains this past week with the La Kings.
A guy that age, a guy that plays the way
(48:50):
he plays. What's sort of like your outlook on this
situation for him.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
I'm gonna look at the positive outlook for this. I
think it could have been a lot worse and the
fact that it happened now he gets to come back,
and what they said, he's out six to eight weeks,
so he still comes back relatively early in the season.
I think if this would have happened in December January,
we'll be talking differently. But I think because it's not
that serious of a you know, I don't know what
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he had operated on or what's you know, where where
it happened. But I think that he'll be all right,
you know. I, like I said, played with him, Pears,
takes care of himself. He's in really good shape. I'm
sure he's gonna come back and he'll be okay.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
How does that mentally manifest itself when you come back
and you don't want to get injured again.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Well, I think you can't think like that. You can't
think I don't want to get injured again. But I
think that the toughest part is going to be for
him is obviously he doesn't get to do training camp.
He doesn't get to, you know, implement himself with his
new team and you know, kind of find his way.
But I will say Corey Perry, I mean, he's a
Hall of Famer, I think, and he the way he plays,
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how smart he is on the ice, I don't think
it's going to affect him that much going to a
new team, and he's been to a lot of new
teams over the last few years, and I think that
he'll be all right. This is a minor bump. It's
a tough, tough thing that happened to him, but it obviously,
like like anything, it gives other guys to chances to
step up. They have other guys like Alex Turcott, Samuel Laneus.
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They signed Yoel Armia, Jeff Mallett. I don't know if
I'm saying that right. That's his brother. His brother's a
UFC fighter, So I always mixed the two up.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Well, if they signed a UFC fighter, they're good, They're golden.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah. But anyway, so they have other guys that can
step in and you know, do the job while he's out,
and it gives other guys a good opportunity. So Kings
are a good hockey team. They're gonna be fine. Corey
Perry is gonna be okay, He's gonna come back.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
He's gonna be good spoken, like a true hockey guy.
I would have thought, my reporter instincts tell me, ooh,
we're Corey Perry's playing for which a team that was
his arch nemesis to the Anaheim Ducks, and he's not
necessarily going to be there all the time to integrate himself,
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especially for the from the fans perspective, for the team perspective.
And that's just it's a little bit of yeah, no,
what do you want to say?
Speaker 2 (51:20):
I would just say, do you know why? I think
this is better? This happens now in the middle it happens.
It's better it happens beginning of the season because you
know you're going in you're going into camp usually at
one hundred percent. You know, you're feeling really in shape,
your body feels good, no bumps and bruises. Where if
this happens in December, you know, who knows if he
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has other ailing injuries happening, or you know, he doesn't
have that base foundation from training and going into training camp,
like you lose that when you get to December or January.
So I think this is a better scenario silver lining
and happening now rather than in the middle of the season.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Right, And if he comes back in six to eight weeks,
who knows, it might be a new coach Pete du
boor at the Helm at that point. Thanks potentially go
call back. All right, guys, thank you so much for
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and js b M Julie Swart Binks and he is
former NHL player Nate Thompson. Energy Line is a production
of the NHL and iHeart podcasts Nader Tator. We are
back on separate coasts, the East and the West, after
being in Vegas last week for the Player Media Tour
for the NHL. We were in person, which was such
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a delight after being doing this, you know, through this screen.
But I have to ask you. I thought about it
so much and I realized I didn't ask you in
the moment, like what was that like being on the
other side of of be of doing the interviews with
the players, sort of like very fresh post career.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It was fun. It was I wouldn't say it was
easy by any means. It's definitely not easy. So I
give a whole you know, credit to everyone in this
in this line of work, especially you, Julie asking questions.
It's not it's not an easy it's you're welcome. It's
not an easy thing to do. Uh, but it was fun.
It was exciting. I mean, we talked about it right,
like after the Patrick Kane interview, like I wanted to
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like go work out like fifty times, you know what
I mean. I was so amped up because it was
just it was so fun, right like I had a blast.
It was it was something I've never done before. But
to get to experience that and learn and learn from
you and others, it was it was great.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So what just as a follow up, I mean like
having been on the other side of all these interviews
and now having seen how like the journalists operate and
even just the conversations where we have where I'm like,
all right, we've got to get this out of this
guy because this is the biggest topic, Like how did
that feel?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It was? That was interesting too because I was like
thinking back at like my own, you know, experiences, being
like wow, like some of the interviews, I didn't give
shit to them, Like I was just just monotone, nothing
like cliches, and and now I get it, like now
I get it with especially hockey guys, right like we
don't give a whole lot with answers, and so it
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was nice. It was refreshing to get answers from like
Patrick Kane and Outen during those guys. They you know,
they gave good, thoughtful answers and articulate answers, and it
made it a lot more entertaining for us obviously, a
lot more easy for us to write.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And we have a lot of different interviews that will
come in the following weeks, including one that you reminded
me of that we did with Brady Shay and in
the middle of him answering a question to me, I
was just like, stop, like, stop with the hockey cliches.
I just I couldn't. I was like, okay, like, luckily
we have this platform, we can do this. I couldn't
do that sideline being like stop talking about hockey play ches.
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And I think he didn't even realize he was doing it.
It was just like he just went boom into into
hockey player and then he laughed and was like, okay,
all right. I kind of loosened up a bit, which
I think is a really nice byproduct to sort of
the proliferation of how media has been around the NHL recently.
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So I got to ask you, though, because we are
on the energy that date, Yes we are, as we
are catching up what's been What's either given you energy
this week or what you're excited about or what's happened
that's been like yes energy this week.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well, I I did go to Disneyland this past Friday
with my daughter, which was amazing. It was a not
a it was a very tiring day, I'll tell you
that I was. It took me like two days to
recover from me I fit, but that was great. And
then upcoming this week, I'm supposed to have a jiu
jitsu match on Saturday, competing. I haven't found out who
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I'm going against or what time I'm supposed to know. Actually,
maybe today or tomorrow. My professor, coach from the school
I go to, he's competing too. He's the one that
got me to got me to got me to do it.
It's it's called Fight to Win BJJ. It's the Instagram
is F two w b JJ and it's like a
whole production, like they have lights and they they give
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you walk out song music and the whole thing. And
so I'm competing in the gee on Saturday, hopefully at
my belt level against someone and they and they they match,
they match you with someone even so I'm sure someone
will be the same belt level, same age, around the
same weight, So I'm a little nervous obviously, this is
how I felt before last time competing. But but it's exciting,
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it's good. It's it's good for me personally, like it
it gets you out of gets me out of myself
a little bit, challenges me a little bit. You know,
I don't over over my whole life. Really, I never
really did any you know, martial arts or anything solo.
So be able to do this by myself is uh,
it's a it's it's a hell of an experience. But
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
That is OD some congratulations day. We are super pumped
for you with the fight. I wasn't sure if you
had it yet, Like you're gonna do it, but you
got it. And can we just confirm that can we
call your teacher professor instead of your coach, like yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, yeah, professor sounds better, Yeah, professor yeah, professor ian
professor ian?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Great?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And what's your walkout song? Have you figured that out?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I don't know yet. Maybe we can brainstorm and get
a good one.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yes, I know, I mean like I do know you
like Lymbisi and and Eminem got it?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I do, I do? I like it all. Well, we'll
think of something though, it'll be fun. I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I'm pumped for you. Okay. The final question in My
In My My, Barbara Walters sits on interview with Nate
about his upcoming fight, is it is there a fighter
or even like a hockey player or an athlete that
you are inspired by when you get out there?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Mmmm?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Uh? I think you know what. I think. I when
I look at other athletes or actors or actresses that
have do jiu jitsu, I think that's the inspiration. Like
I see guys like like Tom Hardy, Like Tom Hardy
is a big jiu jitsu guy, purple belt and competes
all over the world. Like he'll just show up to
a competition and compete and people are like, whoaha, whoa,
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that's that's Tom Hardy, you know what I mean. So
I think that's amazing to have like that kind of
gumption to be like, all right, I'm just gonna go compete.
It makes me better. It's a challenge like maybe I'll lose,
you know, but at the end of the day, it's
it's uh, it's pretty maybe I'll win, who knows, but
it's uh, it's good for it's it's good for you
no matter what.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, we're excited. We'll have to get a full review.
Check in on that coming up next week.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I will leave you updated.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, okay, Well I'm gonna I'm gonna ask myself a question. Truly,
I was.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I was just gonna ask you what No, hold on,
I wasn't done yet. I was gonna ask what is
bringing you the energy this week? Are you going to
like five concerts this week instead of three?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well? I had thought about going to do a lipa,
but I did actually have the most New York weekend
ever where I went to an ESPN a WNBA New
York Fashion Week show where Sierra was there. And let
me tell you, if you ever want to really feel
like you have no idea how to dress yourself, go
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to a New York Fashion Week event. I thought I
was wearing something cool. No, I stood out like I
sore thumb of someone who had looked like they dressed
themselves in the dark, even though I had planned this
outfit because everyone looks so cool. All right, let's get
let's get into it. Let's get into the hockey right now,
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because things are heating up as the season approaches and
as we record this On Tuesday morning, we have learned
that the New York Rangers have named JT. Miller. They're
twenty ninth the captain in franchise history. We have heard
a lot about JT. Miller. He came in with a
lot of judge energy last year. Nate, you know him,
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you know his style, you know what the Rangers need.
Is this the right guy?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Absolutely? This is spot on. I think the writing was
on the wall when they traded for him and saw
how he played last year, or saw how he led
his team, and I think just the way he plays,
but not only it's it's his demeanor, It's how he
is off the ice. He pulls everybody into the fight.
I think it was between him and Vinnie Trochik, to
be honest, and I think they made the right decision.
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You could have gone either way, but obviously those two
are best friends. And now you have you know JT.
Miller as the captain, and Mike Sullivan has a ton
of familiarity with JT. Miller, same with Jury, you know
with us stuff, and you know he was in New
York before when Sullivan was the assistant coach. So I
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think that this is a great call making him the captain.
I think, like I said, the way he plays, he
plays a two hundred foot game. He's not afraid to fight,
He'll run you over, and those are the things that
you want in a captain. So good on the Rangers.
I think you made the right choice and JT. Miller
is the right captain for them.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I think he definitely adds a different dynamic to this
team that certainly needs some kind of dynamic spark heading
into the season with how things ended last year. But
to play Devil's advocate, how do you think, like we
look at his career with New York and how well
you know, he was part of that Cup run all
this kind of stuff, but things didn't really go so
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well from a Vancouver Like, were there any things that
maybe management or anyone would think about that would be like, okay,
let's let's think about this in terms of his captainship.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, I'm sure that would that came to the forefront.
I'm sure that was talked about and I'm sure they
had conversation with JT. Miller about it. You know, I
think that you know, you learn, and I know from
experience being on different teams and you go through different
experiences whatever happens on that team, and you go to
a new team and you learn from it, and I'm
sure JT. Miller has learned from it. I think that
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they wouldn't have made him the captain if they didn't
think he can handle it. I think the situation in
Vancouver was, you know, just a bad scenario on both sides,
and they just had they had to move on. And
now he's in a good spot. And I think he's
in a good spot with a good team. And like
I said, I think this is a home run, home
run pick for.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
The Rangers, right. I do believe as he came to
New York, it felt as though he almost found like
a new life, right, Like it's going to new school,
it's going to a new team. We know that different
scenarios have different impact and effects on people, and like
I just remember watching him just like chasing down pucks,
just going hard to the net, like he just he
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was going for it.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well yeah, and it's when he came on the team
last year. We were talking about right and how they
were missing that and it was almost like when he
came there was a little bit of a change in
their team. And I think you know that's a captain.
That's what captains do. You know, They lead by example. They,
like I said, they bring guys in the fight and
guys following. That's what JT. Miller did last year.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You just reminded me that we were doing this podcast
when J. T. Miller became a Ranger. I know I
did not remember. Yeah we had Wow, Wow we've been
around though. Oh yeah, you're right, we did do this podcast. Yeah,
it's been the hockey season minus like maybe like three
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weeks in the summer is continuous. But those three weeks
the guys go and get married and go to Italy
and stuff. Is like the one time that we don't
talk hockey.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
They do a lot in a short amount of time.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, we do exactly. And how would you say that?
Just to finish up on JT. Miller with this, in
what way do you think this this influences the Rangers
room for this season and how does it change the
outlook on the Rangers going forward for this season?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I think it sets the tone. I think it shows
everyone else in that locker room that Okay, he's the guy.
We're not gonna figure out who's going to be the captain,
Who's going to lead us. He's the guy, and I'm
sure they stressed that, and I think Mike Sullivan wants
their team to get off to the races right away.
And I think that this helps side it. There's no
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you know, uncertainty of who's going to be the captain.
It's the media doesn't have to speculate, and he's the guy.
We don't have to speculate. And you know, now now
they can get going and they can have a better
year than they did last year.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Right it kind of felt like a rudderless ship at
points last.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Year, it really did. I want to I'm curious if
I predicted this or not, but back in our podcast,
if I said he was a future captain or not, But.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I'm going to say, Nate, that wouldn't be like the
most outrageous prediction because I don't think so considering the fields.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, that it was. It was between him and Vinie Trochek,
don't you think Big ten ye?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And I think Vincent Krochuck would have made an incredible
captain as well.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Well. Let me ask you quickly, I mean, what do
you think when you cover the Rangers all the time,
So what is your take on it?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well, I didn't get to speak with J. T. Miller
a whole lot last year because the Rangers did so
poorly that I was never sent over to cover them anymore.
So I don't really know him extremely well, but I
do know Vincent Trochuck was always a guy that we
could I think it's it's interesting I feel as though
a guy like Vincent Trojak has been through a lot
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of the bad times with the team, or like i'd
say he's been through the good times, he's been through
the bad times. And I find like that experience of
kind of like understanding the pulse of the room is
really important. But then it's like maybe sometimes having that
in your head might not necessarily be a good thing,
because it's like if something you know, it's kind of
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like ignorance is bliss sometimes in a way. And I
think that maybe in this situation, like J. T. Miller
doesn't necessarily know what it was maybe like when the
memo went out or when these things went out, and
like he kind of knows what it was like when
the good times were going, and so if something does
go off to the rails, like he's not gonna be like, oh,
here we go again. Like, this is what's gonna happen,
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and the media are gonna be here and they're gonna
he kind of might just be like, all right, this
is just you know, another day in New York. It's
also not Vancouver, where he also had to go through
so much there, so it's a completely different situation, so
just maybe kind of having a new voice, new blood.
But I do think that nothing happens in a vacuum.
I think these captains also rely a lot on their
teammates and probably talk to them. I don't know, you
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could tell me.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Is the Yeah, there's there's there's leadership groups. It's not
just the guys that were letters. There's other guys that
you know, have been around their veterans that are part
of leadership groups. And I'm sure that JT is gonna
lean on those guys.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Too, right, just to kind of like, hey, if you're
bouncing ideas off guys, or if you're just talking with
them or whatever. But yeah, I feel like Vinnie and
and Miller are like the same. They're kind of like yeah,
because they are, They're like they are, they grew up together.
All the pictures of them as kids. Yeah, for sure,
I love that Okay, moving on to our next topic
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of the Carill caprites off. Is it caprite stuff? I've
been in Italy too long, guys. Sorry, Watch where I
say my z's as like a like. Capriza's obviously not Italian,
He's Russian. Okay. Last week, the Star Wild the Star
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Wild's eight year, one twenty eight million dollar offer sixteen
AAV million AAV which would have been the largest deal
in NHL history. Of course, as we know, he did
not take that deal, and there's been a speculation after
speculation what this means. Does it mean that he wants
to go somewhere else? Does this mean he wants more money?
(16:02):
Does this change the entire landscape of how players are
going to be paid going forward? When you heard this,
because we weren't we already recorded our podcast before this
came out, what was your initial reaction him turning it down?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Holy shit? That was my reaction, to be honest, Holy shit,
it turned down that much. But I mean, there's been
rumors and reports of him getting the same or more
in Russia, so I think that maybe that's a leverage,
and you know, is bargaining and negotiating this this deal,
But I don't know this is this isn't a tough
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spot for Billy Jared Billy garr in the while because
sixteen million AAV a year, I mean, when you're paying
that just one guy that much money and respectfully career,
Caprisov is I think top five, top ten player in
the league, no question, right. But this is interesting, Julie
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because you know he turns down sixteen AAV and you
have Connor mc david waiting, which I think he's waiting
on Caprisof to see what he's going to sign, and
he's just going to go above that. So hypothetically, I mean,
who knows Caprisof ends up. I think that the wild
They're going to get it done. I think that Caprisov
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wants to be there. They want him there. I think
it's just a hard negotiation right now. I think they
might come up a little bit from sixteen. He's going
to take that, and then connorc David's probably going to
get seventeen or above, is what I think. That's my guess.
But Carilla Caprisov, I mean, he's the best player of
the team. They are obviously a whole different team with
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him in the lineup. He's dynamic, he's he's the one
winger in the league that you can rate him higher
than other centers because he creates so much as a winger.
And I think that's what separates him from a lot
of wingers in the league, is because he can create
so much, kind of like a Kutrov.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Right, Yeah, he is. I agree with you on that.
I remember Kyle Bagoscis did an interview with Craig Leopold
who said that they would do whatever it takes to
sign him. So when you know that you have that leverage,
you can kind of hold out. It's like, Okay, sixteen
million is great, but if you said you can do
whatever it takes, like, why wouldn't I wait to see
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how far you'll go. It's not like really a game
of chicken, because it feels as though Kapritzov will sign
there no matter. Like even his teammates are like, yeah,
he's I mean, I don't know what your teammates are
supposed to say other than what they're all saying, which
is we expect him to be back here kind of thing.
But I even just looking at the like everyone speculating
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let you go with the Rangers because his agent has
has our Temmy Panerin, and he's friends with Igorsha Stirkin
and all these guys. But then, like I then was
reading more into the fact that if he was to
go to the Rangers, that would like his agent would
then be thinking, Okay, that's going to affect the potential
money for paneren Like even if they are friends, like
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an agent would be thinking about money wise. But I
think that they go, yeah, I think he I think
this changes the market. This could be one of these
things we look back on and say, remember when he
held out a little bit and then Connor McDavid got
twenty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, we'll see too. It could be Julian we and
that there's speculations that as well as I think Carial
caprice Off is a guy, well he's that good where
any team, like I'm sure Billy Garrett is his phone's
ringing right now or he's getting text from other teams.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Can you text him because you guys are you guys
are text.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
To find out what's going on with the agociations. But
I think any team is going to be willing to
trade for this guy. I like the teams that we're
trying to speculate where he go. But I think any
team is going to make a deal for him. He's
that good. I think any team's being like, all right, yeah,
we'll take him at that price because he's a game changer.
So I don't know, we'll see. It's it's gonna be
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interesting with with training camp starts tomorrow, so this is
it's a exciting This is an exciting time. This is
what it's all about. And I hope that this gets
done because the Wild need him, and then I hope
Connor gets done so we can see where we're where
we're priced at.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, but I also just to your point to cap
this off a bit, is like I don't think a
team that's going to be really good like Florida is
going to be able to offer him no more, right,
Like we know that, Like there's certain things where it's like, okay,
they're not necessarily going to move things around like that.
So sometimes it's like is it do you want money
or do you want, you know, to go to a
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really really good team or we're somewhere in between or
somewhere sort of like the Wild aren't bad by any means,
Like they're a good team, but.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
They're going like this, they're going up, like their trajectory
is going up. So that's got to be in his
mind too, like this team is getting better, We're going
to be able to win soon. I think they're going
to be a contender, So he has to think about
that as well. I mean, it's it's a dicey situation.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, I find that fascinating. Like I think it's good
for someone like craigly Well to put out there like
we'll do whatever it takes to get it done, like
showing like hey, if we want him, he's going to
be there forever. But then like to that same point,
it's like, uh, you have zero leverage now that you
just were like, hey, all, here's all our cards. What
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do you guys think? Anyway, it's exciting because it could
change what's going on in the NHL, and we know
that that could change, as Nate Dogg said that, it
could change Conoric David situation, which of course the Prime
Minister of Canada is calling on to get him signed,
which is banana sandwich.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
That's crazy, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Like what I just actually loved that. I thought that
was pretty up. So it's so Canada. I think elected
officials in Canada should be calling on NHL trades and deals.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
To me, have them been out stuff yet?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah? Yeah, right, just feel it just feels like part
of the DNA. Okay, let's move on to our final
big story of the week, which is Pete de Boor,
former NHL head coach for the time being, spoke to
the NHL about last year's playoff drama with Jake Ottinger
and he said this, listen, we were all to blame
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for coming up short again and it starts with me.
Debor candidly said, in an exclusive sit down with NHL
dot Com, his first public comment since being fired by
the Stars on June sixth, quote, it was on me.
It was on all the coaches, It was on all
the players, It was on the organization as a whole.
We all created the disappointment. We are all to blame,
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not just one guy. When all the questions at the
postgame press conference were about Jake, I should have redirected
the topic to reflect that this wasn't just about him.
This was about all of us. We and I stressed
the word we did not get the job done. We
were on a run in which we'd lost six of
our past seven games against Edmonton in the third round,
dating back to twenty twenty four. In one of my answers,
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I said he'd lost six of seven to them, but
it wasn't just him, it was all of us. That's
not on one just one guy. I should have made
that clearer now. Jake Ottinger agrees and said as much
when informed of divorce comments while meeting with NHL dot
Com at the NHL Slash Nhlpaight North American Player Tour
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in Henderson, Nevada on Tuesday. Quote, I mean, I think
I feel like he hit the nail on the head,
Ottinger said, I agree with what his reflection was. I'm
glad he said what he said.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Nate thoughts should have would have could a I mean,
I'm glad he addressed it and he talked about it
and he said we and he you know, he didn't
put all the blame on Jake Ottinger. You know, I
wish he would have brought that up at the time
at the presser after the game, and you know, things happen,
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Accidents happened. It's interesting and we've talked about this, Julie.
We talked about with Matt too a producer that there's
a bit of a trend with Pete de Boor and
he is a really really good coach. He's won so much.
He's been to the finals a couple of times, conference finals.
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But each coach seems to have you know that can't
get over the hump. There's always in a little bit
of an Achilles heel, I feel like, and with him,
it seems you look at the trend, it seems to
be the goalies he's had over the years, and there's
been I don't know if it's been a differences he's
had with him or he hasn't. I mean, I don't
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know what it is. But you look, you go back
to Jersey, to Vegas, to San Jose. Where do you
go next?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, Dallas, every team pretty much.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Every team every team right you look at you know,
Jersey Broader and then San Jose, Martin Jones. I mean,
all these teams, Vegas, Flurry, Dallas, Ottinger like, you have
really good goalies and you know you're not able to
get over the hump, and that seems to be the
issue when that happens. So, I don't know, it's something
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I looked at see over the course of his career,
really good coach, and sometimes coaches learned from this. Mate.
Maybe this is something that he'll learn from in his
next job, because we all know Pete de Boor is
going to get hired again. He's going to get hired
again at some point. It's just the way it goes.
He's too good at coach, someone's going to give him
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an opportunity and hopefully, like for everything that happened with
Jake Odger, hopefully he learns from it.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Okay, so you believe that, Like I was just looking
back at a chiktok I made last year, and it's
making fun of this trend called the butterfly effects, where
you know, it's like if this happens, this happens. I said, Okay,
I'm wearing a Dallas Oars jersey. I said. The butterflyffect
is crazy because if Pete de Boor hadn't been fired
by the Florida Panthers, New Jersey Devil, San Jose Sharks
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or Vegas Golden Knights, he'd never be coaching the Dallas
Stars and the Stanley Cup playoffs. So you know, when
you can sort of look at that list, it's like
how many times how many chances you get before someone's like,
I don't think this is the guy that can take
us to the promised Land.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
That's a good question, truly, that's a very good question.
You're right. I mean, that's a valid that's a valid question.
It is. But this is the league where we all
know we you know, we go through a lot of
the same coaches. It's just the way the way it goes.
And Pete de Boor is a good coach. Guys like
playing for him. You know, he hasn't gotten okay cast
the big game, but he will get hired again. I
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know you're like, how is he going to get hired again?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
No, I know he'll get hired again. But it seems
like the NHL, and like NHL coaches and you know,
front offices would rather go with like this guy can
at least get us close, sir than we might be now,
versus like, maybe let's go for something a little bit
different and see if this like we're gonna roll the
dice on something that could get us all the way
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or not. But maybe with the Boor feels like a
safe option.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, well he is, for sure, he's a he's he's
never won, but he's been there, he's almost one, and
there's been a lot of other coaches like that. If
you think about it, I mean, look at Paul Maurice.
How long was it until he won? And he's laughing now.
So I think there's still a chance for Pete de
Boor because, like I said, I've heard so many big
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positive things about him throughout the league through different players.
They love playing for him, good guy, good communicator, and
he's gonna get another chance. And who knows. Like I said,
coaches learn over the course of their career, they have
to evolve. We've seen that in other coaches. You look
at a guy like Rick Hackett, John Cooper, these guys
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like they have they've e vall as their coaching career
has gone on, and you have to and I think
you will see the same from Pete de Boorer.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Okay, So then bold prediction. If blank team doesn't get
out to a good enough start to this year, potentially
Pete de Boor could be there. Which team do you
think that could most likely be?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Los Angeles Kings? Jim Hiller, Yeah, and I like Jim Hiller.
I'm just saying hypothetically, if they don't get to a
good start. Ken Holland is a general man, new general
manager there, you know, Jim Hiller is not his guy,
and who's sitting in the weeds Pete de Boer to
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take over the help when you know you have and
it's a good team too.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, and I think that's great, like okay, even though
it's just, you know, kind of lamenting the fact that
like he hasn't gotten it done, but it's nice to
know you have Pete de Boor sitting in the wings
when you're if your coach doesn't work out for you, right. Yeah,
I also would probably would maybe, but I don't think
it would. But Patrick wah in there because the Islanders
have been a little when you're hot and you and
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it's very so bad. Obviously I know that song better
than I just sang it. But I think that Lindy
Ruff and the Buffalo Sabers might be another one that
could be on the hot seat as well. But we'll
have to see what happens. I do want to I
do think I like Ottinger's comments there being like you
know how if someone does you wrong and then they
like are like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. I apologize.
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I shouldn't have said that and you just go like,
thank you for your apology.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, I agree. I think that was great how I
acknowledged it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Pete shouldn't have said that.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, no, no, he shouldn't have. Definitely not. I mean
we Yeah, he probably still might still be in Dallas
if you did say that. Figure about it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, that's a that's a
that's a tough one as a coach at the end
of a game if you feel that way and you're
really heated and you just say it. I don't know
how hockey players don't say I mean, like as we've
tried to just scratch and claw answering out of them,
Like I'm surprised that people don't say more stuff when
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they're heated about about what's going on. Because you have
a microphone in your face after a loss like that
and you've done something like that, you probably are going
to put the blame. Maybe, but I think probably he
learned from that, like, oh, I got to be able
to control myself a bit more like this is a
team that's that would be in my mind a misstep
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for Pizza Bor Like that seems like level one coaching.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, that's that's a part of his career in a
moment that he'll learn from and probably doesn't want to
bring up against right.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
And I do believe people have been like, oh, should
he have addressed this sooner? But I think with the
way the NHL season goes, where it's like, okay, he
says it, the off season happens, and nobody gives a
fuck about the Dallas Stars once they're out and we
go on to Stanley Cup, and then as the media
tour happens, this was probably the perfect time for him
to address it, for it to have any kind of
weight and be like, you know, it could have come
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out in the summer and people be up at their
cottages and on the lake and like not really thinking
about it. But this and then also having Ottinger being
able to respond it just sort of puts it all
to bed before the end of the season. But speaking
of Ottinger, Nate and I had a chance to speak
with the Stars goaltender at the NHL Player Media Week
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in Vegas about his off season, his golf game, and
how everything ended last season, including that infamous Game five
where he was pulled. All that and more coming up
after this break. All right, Well, we are very grateful
to be joined by Jay Ottinger from the Dallas Stars,
also from Team USA. And how how's the off season been?
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How has it been? Kind of reflecting on last year
and we've been up to.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I've been playing a lot of golf, sorry, playing a
lot of golf, moved into a new house, and my
wife's pregnant.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Is this your wife you're pointing to? Okay, great, congratulations, gration.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
How how far along is she? Uh?
Speaker 3 (32:23):
She's seven months a sow.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
We're getting there, boy, boy or girl?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Do you guys know find out?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Not finding out? Okay, can keep it a surprise.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I love it all right, I'm open boy, but we'll
see you know that goes so?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
And you're hoping girl?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, I mean like that's just how it goes. Right.
Is this your first.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Child, first kid? Yeah, first kid in the whole family.
So oh, everyone's super pumped.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, that's amazing, that's amazing. So you're talking about your
golf game, So what's your your what's your headicap at
now after a full summer?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, it used to be like a zero.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Oh you're a stick.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I don't know what happened. So Yeah, with the amount
of money and time that I spent on golf, I
should probably be like on tour, but I'm not so.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Listen like if Rory and Bryce and last year at
US Open taught us anything like, golf is fucking hard,
really hard.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, it's frustrating, but that's why I feel like everyone
on Earth like loves it.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Now. Yeah, so home was Minnesota for you in the
summer time? Okay, okay, where where in Minnesota are you?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Lakeville? It's like twenty twenty five minutes south of Twin Cities.
So we both grew up there and both of our
families still live there and stuff, So that's we kind
of settled down there in the summer now.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Love that for you. And so just with I'd love
to talk more about your golf game, but we because
we had Brady.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Shae on and he's, oh, he's way better than me.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
He corrected us when Nate said, oh, you're a plus two,
and he's like, no, I'm scratch golf.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, he's from Lakeville too, so he's.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Oh, oh, maybe it's something in the Lakeville most water.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yes, yeah, it must be. I don't like playing with
them though, because he makes me feel pretty bad about myself.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
He said his clubs were too strong.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Yeah, I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I know, yeah, I know what that means. Yeah, but yeah,
just I guess getting back to obviously hockey and whatnot,
Just how's it been kind of like maybe taking time
to reflect on how last season went and what are
your biggest takeaways from that?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah? I think obviously didn't end like how any of
us wanted to, and a little more like dramatic than
I would have liked. But just I think kind of
when I try to look back, I'm trying to take
the good things that I did. I think, you know,
I played great for you know, a few rounds there,
and then I'm just focused on now, like how can
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I try to keep that consistency for four rounds? And
I mean we've been to the same spot three years
in a row, so we got to change something in
order to, you know, finally get over at last home.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You you know, you're at an Olympic orientation camp and
obviously guys like Jeremy Swayman and Connor Hallibuck and those
guys that you played with, Like, are there things that
you've taken away from them since since playing with.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Them, Yeah for sure. I mean I know sway from
like World Juniors, but I've never met Connor until Four
Nations and obviously you know how good he's been for
such a long stretch of time. It was fun to,
you know, get to see what he does like day
to day. And I think I took a lot from
both of them, like and even our goalie coach he's
with La and I love like seeing different opinions or
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I feel like every goalie has their like three or
four drills that they love to do, and so all
three of us were kind of like drawing up the
practice playing together and it was fun to you know,
take stuff that they like, and I feel like I
used stuff that I learned from there, like the rest
of the season from both those guys.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Would you ask Connor Hallibuk or those guys about playoffs
or talk about you know, experience and playing in those
big games.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, I think for me more I was kind of
like I like to watch kind of what they do
more than like ask questions. I think I learned well
just kind of like seeing even other it doesn't have
to be a goalie, just players, like watching Joe Pavelski
watching Connor Halbloch, like the way these guys like prepare
every day and the little stuff that they do to
get themselves ready for even just like practice and stuff,
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I think is what really stuck out to me. And
I feel like Connor had like a really like he
liked to do the same thing every day and obviously
he's found something that's worked for him for a very
long time. So I think for me, I was kind
of like, Okay, like you know, what do I like
to do every day that can kind of touch all
the basic stuff that I want to hit day and
day out. And I feel like I took that kind.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Of from him, And what is that thing you found
that you like to do every day?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Well, I he does a ton of just like basic
skating stuff, and I feel like that can get overlooked,
Like now I think it can be, so you can
be thinking about so many like big things when like
in reality, if you are in the right spot and
you know you're square to the puck, you get hit
a lot of times without really doing anything. So he's
kind of mastered dad, and I think that's all just
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from his skating. And so we just were doing like
skating drills that I did when I was like eight
years old, and I hadn't done that in such a
long time, and I was like, okay, like you know,
maybe I need to kind of get back to that
like foundational work a little bit.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
That's great to be able to take that away from
being around him, And I think it's unique having to
you're with him as a teammate for Team USA, but
you're also you know, you want that number one role,
but you're also battling him in the playoffs. Like how
would you describe that dynamic to someone who wouldn't understand?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, it's definitely interesting. I mean, like I think all
three of us are, you know, super competitive. Obviously we
all want them that there's only one that like players
are a little lucky they can can be on the third,
fourth line and so like contribute a lot. For a goalie,
it's either you're in or you're not. So I think
we all handled it well. Like, I mean, we all
were rooting for each other. We just wanted the team
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to win, and I think we all had the mindset
of Okay, if you know, if my numbers called, I'm
going to go in there and do my best. And
if not, then I'm gonna do everything I can help
the team win.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
You guys hired Glenn Goldzid as a head coach, and
you know, a coaching change, and he's obviously been in
Dallas before. Have you had conversations with him and how
excited do you play for him?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, I'm really excited. I just talked to him briefly
over the phone. I haven't been back to Texas yet.
We're going back after this, but I mean I've had
like the amount of people that reach out to me
saying how much I'm gonna like him or how great
their experiences that they've had with them obviously is really
exciting for me. And I mean my goalie coach called
me like after the first week of meetings when I
was like, Hey, You're gonna love this guy, Like, just
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had nothing but great things to say about him. So
I'm excited to meet him in person.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
We'd be remiss not to go back to kind of
what you mentioned with how the last the end of
last season was dramatic and how it ended, Like now
looking back at how things ended and just that game five,
what maybe how have you sort of processed what it
was like to get pulled in that game, and then
obviously hearing kind of the things that Pete Depoor had
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said afterwards, how have you How do you look at
it now?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, I think I'm just trying to look at it
from a point of like, how what could I have
done better to prevent the whole situation? And that's keeps
a puck out of the net. So I think, you know,
you can't really control what other people do or their
decisions or what they say about you. You just trying to
focus on myself and you know, if I played great,
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then no one can pull me or say bad things
about me. So that's kind of what I'm focused on now,
and that's all in the rearview mirror for me.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Obviously, it wasn't all your fault, just like you know,
it's not it's not a you problem. You know, it's
a team as we all know for sure, but like
maybe just because you know we're not there, we're we're
obviously not goaltenders. What was that that feeling like when
that happened.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, it's like the worst feeling ever. You mean, you
you know, play all season, you put everything in your
heart and soul and everything that you have into you know,
trying to play your best for the guys in front
of you. And you know, when you feel like you,
you know, let the team down or you know, you
don't show up in those big moments that you you
dream about or you want to, it's obviously deflating, but
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extremely motivating to make sure that it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I'm sure your teammates are a hold as much fault
as you do. And and I've talked to you many times,
and I'm sure, like like anybody, you learn from all
these you know, different situations, and you know what teammates
on the team that you really like kind of lean
on and you know maybe in a serious situation or
after the season or going into or going into this season.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Yeah, well I think I mean, like after that game,
like Mason March and Matt Dumba both just like drove
right to my house like no text, nothing, just showed
up and wanted to just make sure I was okay
and hang out and try to take my mind off.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
So, you know, it's nice when you have and I
mean I had, like, you know, fifty people reach out.
Whether it was like other teammates i'd had, you know,
goalie coaches, head coaches, just I've had a lot of support,
which is great, and my family obviously, my wife, my
my parents. You know, they're kind of my rock, and
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that's all it goes sometimes. You know, it's a tough position,
tough profession, and you know that's what just makes the uh,
the good moments feel that much better when you have
stuff like that up And I.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Think like the greater hockey community just felt a lot
of empathy for you because you know, it's a tough
position to be in and you handled it with a
lot of grace and just like, you know, a lot
of maturity too, because I'm sure a lot of people
might not have have acted that way. How happy would
you be if Connor McDavid was in the East?
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, I mean I don't want to like start any
speculations at Edmonton or anything, but that would be uh,
that'd be good. But we also want to we want
to go through those guys at some point, so hopefully
he stays in the West and then we can finally
get over them.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
We talk about your captain and Jamie Benn and how
how he's been for you, I know, you know, playing
against him for so long, he was one of those
guys I always love watching because he just kind of
throwback in the way he plays no visor, all of it. Yeah,
how big has he been for you?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah, he's been great. I think he's one of those guys,
like I said, just like he just he doesn't like
talk about it. He just like does it, which I
think holds so much more weight. Like in our dressing
room in the last five years, I mean the amount
of young guys that we've had like in our room
has been has been great. But I mean everyone is
looking at him to set the example. And like I
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remember last year there was a picture that are like
strained coach sent and it was like all the like
he was in a group with like a bunch of
young guys at training camp and like they were all
gone and he like took a picture and he was
like on the bike for like forty five minutes, and
he's like, if he can do it, everyone can do it.
So I think he's yeah, like he's not gonna like
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raw rog in your face. But then like when he
does talk, it makes it, you know, way ten times
more than if he was talking all the time. And yeah,
he just he's just someone that goes out there and
does it, And I mean it's kind of tough feeling
when you're walking out of the rink with your lunch
and the captain's still on the bike. He kind of
go back, Yeah exactly, like he kind of kind of
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shows that exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Hear better you want to chip? Yeah exactly bike.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, he's great, We'll let you go in a BIX.
We know that you have a tight schedule, but just
with obviously foreign nations, how everything ended with that, and
then knowing that the Olympics is coming up, obviously you're
you know, wanting to be a part of that team.
But what's maybe like the feeling with Team USA after
Canada wins in overtime and kind of just that you're
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so close and you guys are are you know, you're
both so both teams are so talented and now you
have a chance to actually win gold.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah for sure. Yeah, I think it's I feel like
everyone in our team felt like we were like the
best team in the tournament, which obviously doesn't mean anything
if you don't win it all. But I think we
should feel really confident about how we played and how
we handled that tournament. And yeah, I think. I mean,
that game is basically a coin flip at that point,
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so I feel like it should show us that, you know,
we feel like we can beat them and make us
even more excited to go try to try to win
it all in Milan.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Was there was there a US goalie that you grew
up watching that you.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, my favorite goalie growing up was Henrik Lundquist. But
I love Jonathan Quick, like him in his prime, Like
the Blackhawks Kings series that was like my like, yeah,
heyday of hockey fandom. So when Quick he was was
kicking in those runs, that was pretty special.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
It's pretty cool seeing him just like continuous.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
It's insane. Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Well, Jake, it's been such a pleasure being able to
talk with you. Thanks for being so open and honest
about just how you're feeling in the season, and we
wish you the best of luck this year and good
luck with obviously welcoming good luck.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Thanks appreciate it, Thanks thanks for having me us.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
That was our interview with Dallas Star's goaltender Jake Ottinger
and Nate We We've said it before. Just after listening
to it, looking at the transcript of the interview, But
the idea that when he went through that difficult time
of being pulled in game five, and how I really
appreciate it, how honest he was with us with his
feelings on it, but that Matt Dumba and Mason Marchmont
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just came over to his house, didn't text, just wanted
to make sure he was okay, which I really love
to hear because I can't imagine a player's mindset, mentality
and mental well being in a situation like that. So
it's nice to know and hear about all the support.
But curious from your vantage point, like have you ever
seen that with former teammates or gone through any of that?
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah? I have. I mean I remember even getting hurt
my last year in Philly, and you know, I was
thirty eight, and you know, you have a major shoulder surgery,
and you know you kind of understand that the levity
of it and how serious it is at that point
in your career, and this is obviously a different scenario,
but you know, the teammates came and checked on me,
called me, texted me, talked to me, and you know,
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made sure I was all right, And you know that's
just part of being on a pin on a team
and having good teammates and good guys and MARCHMT and
dumba doing without even texting and just showing up is awesome.
I mean, you love seeing stuff like that, especially you know,
you never know, I mean that that can affect you know,
we're obviously in a world today where mental health is
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pretty important, and you know that can affect someone's mental health.
So to have teammates come over and check on you
and make sure that you're a right is it's pretty awesome. Actually,
it's just unreal.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah, it's a great story. And I think the idea
of just going knowing like, hey, like you got to
do this, versus asking, because you know how when when
you ask if people need help, like a lot of them,
they'll be like no, I'm okay, I'm fine, and they're
not right, and sometimes you need to just go and
then they can maybe you see them in person and
you can talk about it and see just how they
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really are. But I do think we we kind of
underestimate how important just being there for someone is and
and not not asking them if they're okay, just going
to go go and see, you know, be there for them.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, it's and I think that you know, it's one
of those situations where I remember, you know you, as
you know in any situation, you sit alone and you're
going to be thinking it over and over and run
all these scenarios in your head, and you know you
have a couple of friends or teammates come over. It
gets you out of your head and you know who knows.
I'm sure they had a couple of beers and forgot
about it and moved on and talked it out. And
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that helps you know when you have people that are
there for.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
You, right And as you mentioned in different like aspects
of life, we did this, me and my best friend.
We did this for our best friend when she had
her baby at twenty nine weeks like we asked, like
her water brokes, she had to have the baby early,
and we asked her husband like should we come? When
can we come see her? And he was like, I
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think everything's fine, and me and her were just like, no,
we got to go. So we just we ignored him
and we just flew to Toronto and we were like,
you know, she hasn't never mom there. She's she's going
to rather have us be there than not. And it
was really valuable that we did that, because again, most
people like they don't want to be a nuisance to others.
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We're fine, We're fine, We're good for help. Yeah, exactly,
it's okay. And you're a big we're a big proponent
of mental health and asking for help and being honest
about what you're going through because everyone's going through something,
as we all know. And Nate, you mentioned that you
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had gone through shoulder surgery when you were thirty eight,
first of all, and thirty eight, I just realized. I
was like, if I have shoulder surgery, I ain't playing
for the Philadelphia Flyers, that's for sure. But Hory Perry,
your former teammate out six to eight weeks with an
injury that he sustains this past week with the La Kings.
A guy that age, a guy that plays the way
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he plays. What's sort of like your outlook on this
situation for him.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
I'm gonna look at the positive outlook for this. I
think it could have been a lot worse and the
fact that it happened now he gets to come back,
and what they said, he's out six to eight weeks,
so he still comes back relatively early in the season.
I think if this would have happened in December January,
we'll be talking differently. But I think because it's not
that serious of a you know, I don't know what
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he had operated on or what's you know, where where
it happened. But I think that he'll be all right,
you know. I, like I said, played with him, Pears,
takes care of himself. He's in really good shape. I'm
sure he's gonna come back and he'll be okay.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
How does that mentally manifest itself when you come back
and you don't want to get injured again.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Well, I think you can't think like that. You can't
think I don't want to get injured again. But I
think that the toughest part is going to be for
him is obviously he doesn't get to do training camp.
He doesn't get to, you know, implement himself with his
new team and you know, kind of find his way.
But I will say Corey Perry, I mean, he's a
Hall of Famer, I think, and he the way he plays,
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how smart he is on the ice, I don't think
it's going to affect him that much going to a
new team, and he's been to a lot of new
teams over the last few years, and I think that
he'll be all right. This is a minor bump. It's
a tough, tough thing that happened to him, but it obviously,
like like anything, it gives other guys to chances to
step up. They have other guys like Alex Turcott, Samuel Laneus.
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They signed Yoel Armia, Jeff Mallett. I don't know if
I'm saying that right. That's his brother. His brother's a
UFC fighter, So I always mixed the two up.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Well, if they signed a UFC fighter, they're good, They're golden.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah. But anyway, so they have other guys that can
step in and you know, do the job while he's out,
and it gives other guys a good opportunity. So Kings
are a good hockey team. They're gonna be fine. Corey
Perry is gonna be okay, He's gonna come back.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
He's gonna be good spoken, like a true hockey guy.
I would have thought, my reporter instincts tell me, ooh,
we're Corey Perry's playing for which a team that was
his arch nemesis to the Anaheim Ducks, and he's not
necessarily going to be there all the time to integrate himself,
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especially for the from the fans perspective, for the team perspective.
And that's just it's a little bit of yeah, no,
what do you want to say?
Speaker 2 (51:20):
I would just say, do you know why? I think
this is better? This happens now in the middle it happens.
It's better it happens beginning of the season because you
know you're going in you're going into camp usually at
one hundred percent. You know, you're feeling really in shape,
your body feels good, no bumps and bruises. Where if
this happens in December, you know, who knows if he
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has other ailing injuries happening, or you know, he doesn't
have that base foundation from training and going into training camp,
like you lose that when you get to December or January.
So I think this is a better scenario silver lining
and happening now rather than in the middle of the season.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Right, And if he comes back in six to eight weeks,
who knows, it might be a new coach Pete du
boor at the Helm at that point. Thanks potentially go
call back. All right, guys, thank you so much for
listening to Energy Line with Nate and JSB. It has
been a pleasure and we love that you listen. Please
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