July 17, 2025 • 35 mins
After her only son was killed in 2015, community activist and political consultant Tangela Sears founded Florida Parents of Murdered Children, a resource and support group for those who’ve suffered these tragic losses. Enrique and Tangela discuss her advocacy, how victims’ families can best work with their local law enforcement agencies, and what keeps her going.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
From School of Humans and iHeart podcasts. This is Cold
Case Files Miami. I'm your host in the Quisantos. You
may remember our very first episode about Brian Herrera, a
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cold case that was solved after twelve years. It was
a powerful story. Annabel, Brian's mother mentioned a woman who
helped her fight for her son. That woman is Tangalias Hears.
Amongst certain circles in Miami, the named Tangalus Hears is
very well known. She's a political consultant, the community activist,
and the founder and president of Florida Parents of Murdered Children.
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She started this organization after her son was tragically killed
back in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
He was only twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Tangela works directly with police departments and other agencies to
support victims families after a loss.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
She worked with lawmakers.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
In twenty seventeen, she created this bill that keeps the
names of people who witness murders out of the public
record for two years.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
She's absolutely a force to be reckoned with.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Tangela, thank you so much for taking the time to
talk to us today about this very important topic which
is very near and dear to your heart, and you've
turned into your life mission. It's admirable because most people,
after a tragedy such as the one that you, unfortunately
had to live through, most people can pick up the pieces.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And to be honest with you, I'm one of those
people as well. I'm really you see the work that
I do, but I have my down sparrows as well,
And in the beginning, it wasn't like this. It took
a while and for me to go through some things
to actually get to where I'm at. And it actually,
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you know, out of all the years I've dealt with families,
when I I saw a mother lose a fifteen year
old on TV, I wanted to beat up for her.
I realized then the knowledge and the understanding that I
had for the system, and I also realized that I
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needed to bring more positive attention to black on black killings.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So after your son was tragically killed, you were disconnected,
you were down. I don't want to speak out of turn,
but I know that this is a life changing event. Right,
You saw another mother going through what you lived through.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And you decided to reach out and help.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yes, what were some of the earliest causes you worked
on besides this one family that you saw on the news.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
What I did was, I've brought parents together. I started
holding weekly meetings with families that lost their kids or
kids that even lost their parents, you know, because we
had it both. We had sometime parents was deceased and
an aunt or a grandparent raised them and they lost
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their kids.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
What I did was I brought them.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
All in one room and I began to hear a
lot of their stories. One of the things that I
learned was there was no contact between law enforcement and
these families.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
They did not have.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
People to fight for them or to stand up with them,
like what you may see on the news, on the
national news when the police killed someone. They didn't have
that type of attention, and all of their kids was labeled.
I'm not saying all of the kids are perfect, but
I'm very familiar with innocent kids like King Cotta, like
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Jada Page, Dorothy William's son.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
These kids are six years.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Old and younger and losing them. You can't accuse them
of being involved, engage or dismissed their you know, their
killings or what has happened to them. You have to
bring us to the forefront. You have to bring attention
to it, and you have to make the powers that be,
you know, what they are supposed to do in these matters,
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and they was not doing what they were supposed to do.
And I started bringing law enforcement, and I brought legislators
and the commissioners in, you know, so I never talked
about my story. I wanted them to hear the issues
that families was having across this county. And then it
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began to be across the state because I begin to
build relationship with state attorneys that I didn't know, so
that if I'm dealing with the family, I could be
able to reach out to them and get them to
communicate with these families. You let them know that they
are not forgotten. And so those were some of the
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things that took me. I mean I had already been
involved for maybe twenty something years at a time, but
it took me to another level because what you can
be there for a person, but if you don't experience it,
you don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And walking through it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
When your son David was tragically killed in twenty fifteen,
you all of a sudden became part of this group
of parents whose children have been murdered. And from what
you're describing, there was like a void. You kind of
became like the liaison of some sort between the police
departments and these victims families.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And sitting down talking to elected officials, letting them know
what our needs were, you know, letting them know so
that they can put policies in. I'm able to help
them understand why it's important not to go between the
yellow tape. I know it. They're emotional at the time,
and that's why for advocates that was not on the
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scene to be on the scene. The advocates that works
for the police department, they have to be on those
scenes because the police is not They're not educated on
helping us. So that's why you need the advocates out
there to be able to communicate with them to help
them understand, and not advocates with a bad joe on
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working for the police department, because everybody don't connect with
the police department.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Take us back to when you first reach out to
these politicians to try to make the connection and try
to help these other families. How receptive were the politicians
that you contacted.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Working with them all my life, I don't have direct
contact with most of them, so I would just call.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Them and invite them out to a meeting. They would come.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
They saw the pain that I went through, and I
just think wanting to see what they can do and
being in a room, being in a room that's filled
with parents that have lost their kids the gun violence.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
How can you ignore that?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It was not just me brought them to the table,
with families not only in Miami Dade County, but even
families in Browood County was coming to the table, and
some of them had passed the time to get that
therapy that they're entitled to because before I started, I
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told you, a lot of advocates was not connecting with
the families, so they missed a lot of the services
that they was entitled to. And so thanks to our
state Attorney Catherine Fernandez Rundel here in Miami Dade County,
she committed to giving them service that did not get
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the service. They didn't even know they was in idle
to victim compensation. They're already going through a lot losing
their kid, regardless of how they were, They're going through
a lot, and they have to be entitled for conversation
to be able to assist them as other families are.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
In the state of.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Florida, Angela when a parent calls you asking for help,
what's the first thing you tell them? For example, Brian
Hereda's stepmother, she reached out to you when she was
feeling frustrated after not hearing much from the police over
the years.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
What did you tell her?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
She came to the meeting. Actually, she showed up to
the meeting. I heard every parents story and I would
get parents meetings with their detectives. We're gonna be Alvera
and her husband. They stayed on top of this. They
stayed on top of me, which.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
She come to meetings. She maintained contact with a child's case,
and that's what I encourage parents to do. If a
detective change, she knows she calls me, I'll get our
meeting with the chief, get a meeting with the state attorney.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
As detectives change. We kept this in the forefront.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
We got the state Attorney office involved because they have
detectives as well. So I know there's a such thing
as cold case. But then there is no such thing
as cold case, because anytime they get the information it
could have been twenty years ago, they will go out
and investigate it. However, when you have to break down
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the details, the appearance, it becomes discouraged because you're dealing
with a system, and the system is the system, not
that I agree with every single thing within the system.
And so that's why I pushed, because I want to
go with the needs of the majority and not the minority.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
How would you say, parents or family members who've had
a loved one killed, work most effectively with the police
departments that are investigating these cases.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Work with their advocate, get to know their advocate, Get
into a therapy program, Go get some therapy.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
You need it.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
You need it. I mean, I tell parents this and
it's three years later, they tell me I need it now.
And so as hard as it is, because I know
it's hard for me, it was hard, but once I
got settled in there, it was okay. But to maintain
contact with your detective, Remember your detective is investigating a
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lot of cases. They're in trial, some week, they're in court.
So connecting with your advocate, who you can reach every
day is important, and that's the liaison between you and
your detective.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
You mentioned therapy free. Could you explain that, Yes.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
The Attorney General provide services for parents. That's why I
talked about the victim compensation to help with the funeral
the burial. So that's another reason I push the advocates
to be with these parents right then because it's a
quick burial, so they need the funds and got to
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get the paperwork up there. But when a parent first
called me, one of the first questions I ask them
is have you spoke with your advocate? And if they
have not spoke with their advocate, I'm gonna call the
advocate supervisor, which I have monthly meetings with all police
advocates in Miami Dade County. We created a bond, and
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I put a bond with them where they can even
advise one another of certain things they do and give.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Each other ideas.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I hear this in the room, and what I see
is a system that's really trying to help these families.
So one of the first things I ask them if
you've been in contact with your advocate. That next thing
I asked them if you talked to your detective. Now,
if they're on the scene, there's not a lot I
can say, but try to get the assistance on the
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scene that's needed. I deal with altercations between the police
and families on the scene. You know, but at that
time I called the chief. They say a chain of command,
but I just don't feel as people that work in
these positions there's a chain of command. If their people
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are not doing what they're supposed to do on the scene,
I'm going wait to call the chief.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You've created this healthy rapport with various police chiefs in
South Florida.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yes, I've even become the advisor to City of Miami
police chief.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yes, and I worked with police departments.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I've represented the state Attorney in the community for many, many,
many years. And when I started parents and murdered children,
I wasn't very easy to deal with. I was difficult.
I was angry for me, I was angry for the
other families, and hearing their stories even made me even,
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you know, more angrier, and I became very attactful on
the State Attorney's office. I just didn't feel that laws
was being enforced. It's enforced on the most petty crimes,
but when it comes to murder, that's a serious that's
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a serious crime. And hearing the parents' story, it's like
I they've ben heard and I had to rally around
the office.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I never attacked her, but I rallied.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
On the office not being as tough as I saw
other counties, you know, being.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
One thing that I think we are learning and educated.
You're helping educate these people that now, all of a sudden,
out of no choice of their own, are seen in
this nightmare for the rest of their life. Letting them
know there's resources available. Could you just name off just
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you know, top three or four or five things that's
available through funds, through their counties, through their states.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
A lot of people may not.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You know, again, this is unexpected, it's life changing, it's tragic,
all of a sudden, they don't have the resources. It's
an unexpected expense. How do they pay tribute to their
loved one? And they don't they have no money in
the bank. There's money available.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
For these violent cases.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
There's money available.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Now I can speak for Florida, okay, but I think
it's similar everywhere, and if it's.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Not, this should be an example of what other states.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
So an advocate does the paperwork for you to see
if you're eligible. However, that parent his kids, they are
still entitled to therapy, not just the parents, but his kids,
his sibling, the brothers, sisters.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Are entitled to therapy and counselor Candela.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
One thing we've really seen when talking to these families
in some of these cases that we've covered this very
first season is how dedicated and involved they are in
making sure their loved ones cases don't get forgotten. And
you've touched a little bit on that, but can you
talk a little more specifically with cold cases and family involvement.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
How important is it that they keep pushing.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
It's important because we go into depressional stages more than others,
and so being involved and hopeing on other it helps you.
Now it don't. There comes a time though, and I
tell the parents this because we get them so engaged
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and so involved that they lose themselves and then they
get burnt out. And then I also have to educate
them about some politicians. I've seen some of my parents
get hurt because they don't understand it's a game. It's
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a game. You're a voter. You have to be demanding
to your needs. Don't make it personal. I learn that.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Don't make it personal. Don't attack anyone personal, but attack
the issue. What's not being done?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Before you attack the issue, try to meet with them
on the issue. You don't have to hold a title,
to be there for an individual, be there for a
commun unity to stand up.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I don't wear they elect the title.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But I'm engaged and involved because I care about not
just my community. I care about people. I care about families,
I care about individuals.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
So we try to pour that.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Into the families that have lost their loved ones, to
keep them involved, keep them engaged.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
But don't overdo it. You gotta you have to pace yourself.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
What is the problem with overdoing it?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Number one, you become sick. You develop our blood pressure.
That's why I tell parents when they lose their kids,
after they bury their kids, go get a physical heart issues.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
That pain is deep and it's real.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I had a pink parent who never got out of
her bed and died.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
That pain is real.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
So you want to be engaged because you want to
stay busy, but you also want to have that engagement
time with your family, with your friends, and your mean time,
so that you're balancing out your life because if not,
when you burn out, that death comes back on you. You
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never grieve. You just got out there and got in
the cage and just stay busy around the clock, ignoring
the pain. You can't ignore the pain because the pain
eventually comes back to you, even if it's the holidays,
even if it's their birthday. If you're not dealing with it,
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you go through more when you have those breakdowns.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Taking a quick break, we'll continue your discussion with Tangala's Hears.
I'm here with Tangela's Sears, founder of Florida Parents of
Murdered Children. Tangla, what have you found as the most
effective approach for a family to raise awareness about their
loved ones in these cold cases? Firing social media, the
press conferences which has been the most effective in your experience.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Press conferences, but maintaining not do a press conference and
nothing else social media and keeping the prints engaged and
getting involved because when you get involved, you begin to
spread awareness. Now, I'm very careful on saying to parents,
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get involved and share your story. I never allowed the
parents to share their stories. I mean they give their experience,
what they went through when they got their call, how
they built, but anything dealing with the case. I tell
them not to say anything. If your detective have shared
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something with you, keep it to yourself. Develop a bond
between you and your detective. Because some of these parents
have never been engaged with the system. Then they don't
know nothing about the system. That's scary already. So that's
what we like to do. Make sure they become an
advocate and raise awareness within their own areas, their own communities.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
And being there for families.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I teach them the process so they can understand how
to help another family, because I'm not gonna be able
to reach everybody in Miami Dade County, even though I try,
and if somebody contact me, I do what I can
to assist them. God knows, I understand exactly what they're
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going through, but helping them understand the system is just
different from your emotions, your grieving mother, you lost your child,
but I don't need you to carry on with your story.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Because these are legislators.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Whatever policy was supporting law, we supporting law we put up.
We have to get across to them the importance of
that being implemented.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I know you work directly with many police departments, as
you've described, What does your work with them look like?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Actually walk us through the process.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Now, if they don't have a good advocate system, it's
a difficult week because I'm now fighting with the advocacies,
contacting the major contacting the chief, very upset raises my
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blood pressure because no one is connecting with this family now,
it don't happen as often as it did, so I
feel that we've gotten somewhere. They dn next, I said earlier,
having our advocates engaged with me in a meeting once
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a month, but having a working relationship with the chief,
having a working relationship with some of the elected officials rnestly,
I think that helps me get a lot of things
done because everybody knows that I will call go to
the next level, the next level, so they tend now
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to try to take care of these things so it
don't go to the next level. And great relationships with
these individuals, but I put the people needs before our.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Relationships, and it's a two way street right right what
you're describing the community and also the police departments need
to do.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Some police departments do better.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Better than others with these with this advocacy and understanding
training you mentioned earlier. As a police officer myself, I've
had to make my fair share of notifications and it's
no fun having to tell a mother that her son's
been murdered. These are very very difficult situations that we're
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talking about.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
What advice.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Would you tell law enforcement officers when they're working cold cases,
when they're working murder cases in terms of their interaction
with families and keeping them updated.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Rachel asks that I'm involved with a lot of their trainings.
I get an opportunity to sit down with detectives, with
majors with the chief to share with them the weight
I've dealt with this, the way families should be treated.
I feel, even if the case is cold, someone from
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that department still need to do follow ups with that
family every sixty to ninety days, just to let them
know they're not forgotten. Because one of the things I
tell them is your actions towards these families can reduce
some retaliations they feel you don't care, the department don't care.
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I think through parents of murdered children, us rising up,
us being a voice, we have bought so much more
attention to gun violence. It's being discussed more. I didn't
just meet with law enforcement. I met with parents of
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murdered children, met with all media outlets. We met with
the editors of the Miami Herald, because reporters come out
and take notes.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
You have to be that boys for your child.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
It can happen to anybody out there, no matter what
you're doing. You don't have to be a bad person
to experience gun violence.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
It could be anybody in any given moment anywhere.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I tell you another thing I encouraged detectives to do.
I had a mother that used to want to attack
the police department. I was familiar with the background of
her case, and what I learned doing that moment is detectives.
I went and sat in the room with detectives from
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different departments, the majors of the investigation unit, and I
told them that I need you to tell the mother
once she get over the funeral, and y'all sit down
and talk.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I need her to know the information you have on
her son, if he was in a gang.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Let mom know that.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Let her know that that people selling drugs because I
learned from them that they wanted to be careful because
Mom was hurting. But Mom deserved to know the truth.
Not that our child don't deserve to get an arrest,
but she needs to understand the difficulties of why it's
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taken a while because of the company don't want to
tell on themselves for various things. So you know, every
single case is different, and I begin to tell the
departments you have to have patients inside you. You know,
your detectives on work because they may trust somebody that
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speaks their language. Make it sure that you make them
as comfortable as possible to get cases solved if they
have information, especiallyhip as their kids.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I know you've also worked a lot with the State
Attorney Kathain Fernandez Rundel. As you mentioned, how do you
and how do parents most successfully work with prosecutors, be
it here in Miami or wherever else people may be
listening from on these cases, the same pressure you're putting
on the police chiefs is the yes, same pressure.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yes, I've put a lot of pressure on, especially the
first years when Florida parents have murdered Jitus at it.
There was a lot of It was fireworks in the
room between me and police department, me and the state
attorneys off.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You brought it, you brought it.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
It was. It was a lot of heat.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I mean I even protest the State Attorney's office enforcing
laws and forced ten twenty life on these murder cases,
rape cases, you know, any case that makes an individual
a victim. Put put pressure on them to do that.
I learned a lot from Kathy's office. One of the
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most important things I've learned where I'm able to help
parents from Kathy is I have to remove my emotions.
I don't have to understand policies, procedures, law and remove
my emotions. And if it's something that I don't agree with,
then you have a right to work towards change it.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I mentioned at the beginning that you were an influential
part of a bill passed here in the state of Florida.
This was in twenty seventeen that keeps the names of
witnesses of murders two murders out of the public record
for two years. What made you open your eyes to
that to realize you could help and that this was necessary?
And what would you say to witnesses who might have
information to share but are afraid to come forward.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It was important because when I sat in a room
with parents, it was like if I got seventy parents
in the room, maybe two have an arrest, and their
discussion always was witnesses. No one's talking, And like I said,
I had to put myself in the shoes of a
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witness decide that I understood legislation because I don't work
with legislation for years. However, what I realized was I
realized that because of my involvement throughout the years, when
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I saw that fifteen year old killed by one of
his friends and I heard that mother's scream, it activated
the knowledge, the education that I had in getting legislation done.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
At that time, I didn't know it would be the
witness Protection Law that I would be pushing as a bill, because,
like I said earlier, I got in a room with parents.
I didn't put my issue on the table because I
had a witness in my case. I had an arrest
in my case, but none of these families, ninety nine
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point one percent of these families had an arrest. And
so it puts witnesses in a very difficult position because
little kids have been killed because they go and shoot
up the house. So I put myself in their positions,
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and I've talked to my congresswoman, which because there's a
constitution that says that they have a right to confront
their accusers if you use the Witness Protection Act. No
matter what you use when it comes to trial, they
still have a right. And those witnesses become afraid because
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other people that they have on the street. We've had
a killer in jail that got a witness on the
way the court killed before.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
So I understand them, and I keep.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Asking, it's something we have to do where maybe they
boys could be in there, or even an over voice
could be in the courtroom if this person is dangerous.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Tangela, what are your current goals or initiatives for Florida
parents and murdered children?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Stay your ground? I have a different outlook. I lost
my case to stand your ground. I am very good
friends with the senator that created that bill. I don't
feel that he created that bill for my son to.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Lose a case.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Just to shed some light for those that don't know
and aren't aware of the standard ground the law of
Florida's Standard ground law allows a person to use deadly
for us if they reasonably believe it's necessary to prevent
death or great bodily harm to themselves or others, without
the duty to retreat, even if they could safely do so.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
One of the things Catherine Fernandez teaches me is you
have to be careful of every policy allotted to put
in place, because an attorney can turn three words in
the five hundred different means, and so nobody knew it
can be used the way it was used until treyvon
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Martin was killed. That's really when the public learned about
Stanley Ground.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
I went from legislator to legislator with groups of parents
on my own.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
And what I didn't do, I did not go to
my legislators because I had a meeting with all my
legislators before they went back to Tallahassee at a community
meeting where all them is so they knew what our
needs was. And it's what I tell people when they
go to lobby things that they want.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
You go to your onn elected officials.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
However, the problem with Stanyel Ground is all the details
is not submitted to the jury. They don't have all
the information. It's so much you can't bring in to
the case.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Tangila, your work is very challenging, emotionally, very difficult, but necessary.
I know your parents. We're both heavily engaged in the community.
Your father was a principal, your mother worked for the
Vermamda County. What did you learn from them in terms
of community involvement.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
The importance of working, the importance of being engaged the
importance of being involved and being educated on the issues.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
And I applaud you for everything you're doing. I really
appreciate your time here today as well as your energy
to put to keep helping victims' families. Your work is
invaluable to the communities that you serve. Thank you for
speaking with me today. Thank you for having me take
care of Tagula. If you have information to share on
any cold case, please call or send in a tip
with your local crime stoppers or law enforcement department in Miami.
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From School of Humans and iHeart podcasts. This is Cold
Case Files Miami. I'm your host in the Quisantos. You
may remember our very first episode about Brian Herrera, a
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cold case that was solved after twelve years. It was
a powerful story. Annabel, Brian's mother mentioned a woman who
helped her fight for her son. That woman is Tangalias Hears.
Amongst certain circles in Miami, the named Tangalus Hears is
very well known. She's a political consultant, the community activist,
and the founder and president of Florida Parents of Murdered Children.
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She started this organization after her son was tragically killed
back in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
He was only twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Tangela works directly with police departments and other agencies to
support victims families after a loss.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
She worked with lawmakers.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
In twenty seventeen, she created this bill that keeps the
names of people who witness murders out of the public
record for two years.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
She's absolutely a force to be reckoned with.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Tangela, thank you so much for taking the time to
talk to us today about this very important topic which
is very near and dear to your heart, and you've
turned into your life mission. It's admirable because most people,
after a tragedy such as the one that you, unfortunately
had to live through, most people can pick up the pieces.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And to be honest with you, I'm one of those
people as well. I'm really you see the work that
I do, but I have my down sparrows as well,
And in the beginning, it wasn't like this. It took
a while and for me to go through some things
to actually get to where I'm at. And it actually,
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you know, out of all the years I've dealt with families,
when I I saw a mother lose a fifteen year
old on TV, I wanted to beat up for her.
I realized then the knowledge and the understanding that I
had for the system, and I also realized that I
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needed to bring more positive attention to black on black killings.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So after your son was tragically killed, you were disconnected,
you were down. I don't want to speak out of turn,
but I know that this is a life changing event. Right,
You saw another mother going through what you lived through.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And you decided to reach out and help.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yes, what were some of the earliest causes you worked
on besides this one family that you saw on the news.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
What I did was, I've brought parents together. I started
holding weekly meetings with families that lost their kids or
kids that even lost their parents, you know, because we
had it both. We had sometime parents was deceased and
an aunt or a grandparent raised them and they lost
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their kids.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
What I did was I brought them.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
All in one room and I began to hear a
lot of their stories. One of the things that I
learned was there was no contact between law enforcement and
these families.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
They did not have.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
People to fight for them or to stand up with them,
like what you may see on the news, on the
national news when the police killed someone. They didn't have
that type of attention, and all of their kids was labeled.
I'm not saying all of the kids are perfect, but
I'm very familiar with innocent kids like King Cotta, like
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Jada Page, Dorothy William's son.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
These kids are six years.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Old and younger and losing them. You can't accuse them
of being involved, engage or dismissed their you know, their
killings or what has happened to them. You have to
bring us to the forefront. You have to bring attention
to it, and you have to make the powers that be,
you know, what they are supposed to do in these matters,
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and they was not doing what they were supposed to do.
And I started bringing law enforcement, and I brought legislators
and the commissioners in, you know, so I never talked
about my story. I wanted them to hear the issues
that families was having across this county. And then it
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began to be across the state because I begin to
build relationship with state attorneys that I didn't know, so
that if I'm dealing with the family, I could be
able to reach out to them and get them to
communicate with these families. You let them know that they
are not forgotten. And so those were some of the
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things that took me. I mean I had already been
involved for maybe twenty something years at a time, but
it took me to another level because what you can
be there for a person, but if you don't experience it,
you don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And walking through it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
When your son David was tragically killed in twenty fifteen,
you all of a sudden became part of this group
of parents whose children have been murdered. And from what
you're describing, there was like a void. You kind of
became like the liaison of some sort between the police
departments and these victims families.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And sitting down talking to elected officials, letting them know
what our needs were, you know, letting them know so
that they can put policies in. I'm able to help
them understand why it's important not to go between the
yellow tape. I know it. They're emotional at the time,
and that's why for advocates that was not on the
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scene to be on the scene. The advocates that works
for the police department, they have to be on those
scenes because the police is not They're not educated on
helping us. So that's why you need the advocates out
there to be able to communicate with them to help
them understand, and not advocates with a bad joe on
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working for the police department, because everybody don't connect with
the police department.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Take us back to when you first reach out to
these politicians to try to make the connection and try
to help these other families. How receptive were the politicians
that you contacted.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Working with them all my life, I don't have direct
contact with most of them, so I would just call.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Them and invite them out to a meeting. They would come.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
They saw the pain that I went through, and I
just think wanting to see what they can do and
being in a room, being in a room that's filled
with parents that have lost their kids the gun violence.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
How can you ignore that?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It was not just me brought them to the table,
with families not only in Miami Dade County, but even
families in Browood County was coming to the table, and
some of them had passed the time to get that
therapy that they're entitled to because before I started, I
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told you, a lot of advocates was not connecting with
the families, so they missed a lot of the services
that they was entitled to. And so thanks to our
state Attorney Catherine Fernandez Rundel here in Miami Dade County,
she committed to giving them service that did not get
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the service. They didn't even know they was in idle
to victim compensation. They're already going through a lot losing
their kid, regardless of how they were, They're going through
a lot, and they have to be entitled for conversation
to be able to assist them as other families are.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
In the state of.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Florida, Angela when a parent calls you asking for help,
what's the first thing you tell them? For example, Brian
Hereda's stepmother, she reached out to you when she was
feeling frustrated after not hearing much from the police over
the years.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
What did you tell her?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
She came to the meeting. Actually, she showed up to
the meeting. I heard every parents story and I would
get parents meetings with their detectives. We're gonna be Alvera
and her husband. They stayed on top of this. They
stayed on top of me, which.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
She come to meetings. She maintained contact with a child's case,
and that's what I encourage parents to do. If a
detective change, she knows she calls me, I'll get our
meeting with the chief, get a meeting with the state attorney.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
As detectives change. We kept this in the forefront.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
We got the state Attorney office involved because they have
detectives as well. So I know there's a such thing
as cold case. But then there is no such thing
as cold case, because anytime they get the information it
could have been twenty years ago, they will go out
and investigate it. However, when you have to break down
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the details, the appearance, it becomes discouraged because you're dealing
with a system, and the system is the system, not
that I agree with every single thing within the system.
And so that's why I pushed, because I want to
go with the needs of the majority and not the minority.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
How would you say, parents or family members who've had
a loved one killed, work most effectively with the police
departments that are investigating these cases.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Work with their advocate, get to know their advocate, Get
into a therapy program, Go get some therapy.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
You need it.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
You need it. I mean, I tell parents this and
it's three years later, they tell me I need it now.
And so as hard as it is, because I know
it's hard for me, it was hard, but once I
got settled in there, it was okay. But to maintain
contact with your detective, Remember your detective is investigating a
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lot of cases. They're in trial, some week, they're in court.
So connecting with your advocate, who you can reach every
day is important, and that's the liaison between you and
your detective.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
You mentioned therapy free. Could you explain that, Yes.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
The Attorney General provide services for parents. That's why I
talked about the victim compensation to help with the funeral
the burial. So that's another reason I push the advocates
to be with these parents right then because it's a
quick burial, so they need the funds and got to
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get the paperwork up there. But when a parent first
called me, one of the first questions I ask them
is have you spoke with your advocate? And if they
have not spoke with their advocate, I'm gonna call the
advocate supervisor, which I have monthly meetings with all police
advocates in Miami Dade County. We created a bond, and
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I put a bond with them where they can even
advise one another of certain things they do and give.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Each other ideas.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I hear this in the room, and what I see
is a system that's really trying to help these families.
So one of the first things I ask them if
you've been in contact with your advocate. That next thing
I asked them if you talked to your detective. Now,
if they're on the scene, there's not a lot I
can say, but try to get the assistance on the
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scene that's needed. I deal with altercations between the police
and families on the scene. You know, but at that
time I called the chief. They say a chain of command,
but I just don't feel as people that work in
these positions there's a chain of command. If their people
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are not doing what they're supposed to do on the scene,
I'm going wait to call the chief.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You've created this healthy rapport with various police chiefs in
South Florida.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yes, I've even become the advisor to City of Miami
police chief.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yes, and I worked with police departments.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I've represented the state Attorney in the community for many, many,
many years. And when I started parents and murdered children,
I wasn't very easy to deal with. I was difficult.
I was angry for me, I was angry for the
other families, and hearing their stories even made me even,
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you know, more angrier, and I became very attactful on
the State Attorney's office. I just didn't feel that laws
was being enforced. It's enforced on the most petty crimes,
but when it comes to murder, that's a serious that's
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a serious crime. And hearing the parents' story, it's like
I they've ben heard and I had to rally around
the office.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I never attacked her, but I rallied.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
On the office not being as tough as I saw
other counties, you know, being.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
One thing that I think we are learning and educated.
You're helping educate these people that now, all of a sudden,
out of no choice of their own, are seen in
this nightmare for the rest of their life. Letting them
know there's resources available. Could you just name off just
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you know, top three or four or five things that's
available through funds, through their counties, through their states.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
A lot of people may not.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You know, again, this is unexpected, it's life changing, it's tragic,
all of a sudden, they don't have the resources. It's
an unexpected expense. How do they pay tribute to their
loved one? And they don't they have no money in
the bank. There's money available.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
For these violent cases.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
There's money available.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Now I can speak for Florida, okay, but I think
it's similar everywhere, and if it's.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Not, this should be an example of what other states.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
So an advocate does the paperwork for you to see
if you're eligible. However, that parent his kids, they are
still entitled to therapy, not just the parents, but his kids,
his sibling, the brothers, sisters.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Are entitled to therapy and counselor Candela.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
One thing we've really seen when talking to these families
in some of these cases that we've covered this very
first season is how dedicated and involved they are in
making sure their loved ones cases don't get forgotten. And
you've touched a little bit on that, but can you
talk a little more specifically with cold cases and family involvement.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
How important is it that they keep pushing.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
It's important because we go into depressional stages more than others,
and so being involved and hopeing on other it helps you.
Now it don't. There comes a time though, and I
tell the parents this because we get them so engaged
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and so involved that they lose themselves and then they
get burnt out. And then I also have to educate
them about some politicians. I've seen some of my parents
get hurt because they don't understand it's a game. It's
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a game. You're a voter. You have to be demanding
to your needs. Don't make it personal. I learn that.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Don't make it personal. Don't attack anyone personal, but attack
the issue. What's not being done?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Before you attack the issue, try to meet with them
on the issue. You don't have to hold a title,
to be there for an individual, be there for a
commun unity to stand up.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I don't wear they elect the title.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But I'm engaged and involved because I care about not
just my community. I care about people. I care about families,
I care about individuals.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
So we try to pour that.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Into the families that have lost their loved ones, to
keep them involved, keep them engaged.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
But don't overdo it. You gotta you have to pace yourself.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
What is the problem with overdoing it?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Number one, you become sick. You develop our blood pressure.
That's why I tell parents when they lose their kids,
after they bury their kids, go get a physical heart issues.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
That pain is deep and it's real.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I had a pink parent who never got out of
her bed and died.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
That pain is real.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
So you want to be engaged because you want to
stay busy, but you also want to have that engagement
time with your family, with your friends, and your mean time,
so that you're balancing out your life because if not,
when you burn out, that death comes back on you. You
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never grieve. You just got out there and got in
the cage and just stay busy around the clock, ignoring
the pain. You can't ignore the pain because the pain
eventually comes back to you, even if it's the holidays,
even if it's their birthday. If you're not dealing with it,
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you go through more when you have those breakdowns.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Taking a quick break, we'll continue your discussion with Tangala's Hears.
I'm here with Tangela's Sears, founder of Florida Parents of
Murdered Children. Tangla, what have you found as the most
effective approach for a family to raise awareness about their
loved ones in these cold cases? Firing social media, the
press conferences which has been the most effective in your experience.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Press conferences, but maintaining not do a press conference and
nothing else social media and keeping the prints engaged and
getting involved because when you get involved, you begin to
spread awareness. Now, I'm very careful on saying to parents,
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get involved and share your story. I never allowed the
parents to share their stories. I mean they give their experience,
what they went through when they got their call, how
they built, but anything dealing with the case. I tell
them not to say anything. If your detective have shared
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something with you, keep it to yourself. Develop a bond
between you and your detective. Because some of these parents
have never been engaged with the system. Then they don't
know nothing about the system. That's scary already. So that's
what we like to do. Make sure they become an
advocate and raise awareness within their own areas, their own communities.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
And being there for families.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I teach them the process so they can understand how
to help another family, because I'm not gonna be able
to reach everybody in Miami Dade County, even though I try,
and if somebody contact me, I do what I can
to assist them. God knows, I understand exactly what they're
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going through, but helping them understand the system is just
different from your emotions, your grieving mother, you lost your child,
but I don't need you to carry on with your story.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Because these are legislators.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Whatever policy was supporting law, we supporting law we put up.
We have to get across to them the importance of
that being implemented.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I know you work directly with many police departments, as
you've described, What does your work with them look like?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Actually walk us through the process.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Now, if they don't have a good advocate system, it's
a difficult week because I'm now fighting with the advocacies,
contacting the major contacting the chief, very upset raises my
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blood pressure because no one is connecting with this family now,
it don't happen as often as it did, so I
feel that we've gotten somewhere. They dn next, I said earlier,
having our advocates engaged with me in a meeting once
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a month, but having a working relationship with the chief,
having a working relationship with some of the elected officials rnestly,
I think that helps me get a lot of things
done because everybody knows that I will call go to
the next level, the next level, so they tend now
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to try to take care of these things so it
don't go to the next level. And great relationships with
these individuals, but I put the people needs before our.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Relationships, and it's a two way street right right what
you're describing the community and also the police departments need
to do.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Some police departments do better.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Better than others with these with this advocacy and understanding
training you mentioned earlier. As a police officer myself, I've
had to make my fair share of notifications and it's
no fun having to tell a mother that her son's
been murdered. These are very very difficult situations that we're
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talking about.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
What advice.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Would you tell law enforcement officers when they're working cold cases,
when they're working murder cases in terms of their interaction
with families and keeping them updated.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Rachel asks that I'm involved with a lot of their trainings.
I get an opportunity to sit down with detectives, with
majors with the chief to share with them the weight
I've dealt with this, the way families should be treated.
I feel, even if the case is cold, someone from
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that department still need to do follow ups with that
family every sixty to ninety days, just to let them
know they're not forgotten. Because one of the things I
tell them is your actions towards these families can reduce
some retaliations they feel you don't care, the department don't care.
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I think through parents of murdered children, us rising up,
us being a voice, we have bought so much more
attention to gun violence. It's being discussed more. I didn't
just meet with law enforcement. I met with parents of
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murdered children, met with all media outlets. We met with
the editors of the Miami Herald, because reporters come out
and take notes.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
You have to be that boys for your child.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
It can happen to anybody out there, no matter what
you're doing. You don't have to be a bad person
to experience gun violence.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
It could be anybody in any given moment anywhere.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I tell you another thing I encouraged detectives to do.
I had a mother that used to want to attack
the police department. I was familiar with the background of
her case, and what I learned doing that moment is detectives.
I went and sat in the room with detectives from
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different departments, the majors of the investigation unit, and I
told them that I need you to tell the mother
once she get over the funeral, and y'all sit down
and talk.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I need her to know the information you have on
her son, if he was in a gang.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Let mom know that.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Let her know that that people selling drugs because I
learned from them that they wanted to be careful because
Mom was hurting. But Mom deserved to know the truth.
Not that our child don't deserve to get an arrest,
but she needs to understand the difficulties of why it's
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taken a while because of the company don't want to
tell on themselves for various things. So you know, every
single case is different, and I begin to tell the
departments you have to have patients inside you. You know,
your detectives on work because they may trust somebody that
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speaks their language. Make it sure that you make them
as comfortable as possible to get cases solved if they
have information, especiallyhip as their kids.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I know you've also worked a lot with the State
Attorney Kathain Fernandez Rundel. As you mentioned, how do you
and how do parents most successfully work with prosecutors, be
it here in Miami or wherever else people may be
listening from on these cases, the same pressure you're putting
on the police chiefs is the yes, same pressure.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yes, I've put a lot of pressure on, especially the
first years when Florida parents have murdered Jitus at it.
There was a lot of It was fireworks in the
room between me and police department, me and the state
attorneys off.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You brought it, you brought it.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
It was. It was a lot of heat.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I mean I even protest the State Attorney's office enforcing
laws and forced ten twenty life on these murder cases,
rape cases, you know, any case that makes an individual
a victim. Put put pressure on them to do that.
I learned a lot from Kathy's office. One of the
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most important things I've learned where I'm able to help
parents from Kathy is I have to remove my emotions.
I don't have to understand policies, procedures, law and remove
my emotions. And if it's something that I don't agree with,
then you have a right to work towards change it.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I mentioned at the beginning that you were an influential
part of a bill passed here in the state of Florida.
This was in twenty seventeen that keeps the names of
witnesses of murders two murders out of the public record
for two years. What made you open your eyes to
that to realize you could help and that this was necessary?
And what would you say to witnesses who might have
information to share but are afraid to come forward.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It was important because when I sat in a room
with parents, it was like if I got seventy parents
in the room, maybe two have an arrest, and their
discussion always was witnesses. No one's talking, And like I said,
I had to put myself in the shoes of a
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witness decide that I understood legislation because I don't work
with legislation for years. However, what I realized was I
realized that because of my involvement throughout the years, when
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I saw that fifteen year old killed by one of
his friends and I heard that mother's scream, it activated
the knowledge, the education that I had in getting legislation done.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
At that time, I didn't know it would be the
witness Protection Law that I would be pushing as a bill, because,
like I said earlier, I got in a room with parents.
I didn't put my issue on the table because I
had a witness in my case. I had an arrest
in my case, but none of these families, ninety nine
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point one percent of these families had an arrest. And
so it puts witnesses in a very difficult position because
little kids have been killed because they go and shoot
up the house. So I put myself in their positions,
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and I've talked to my congresswoman, which because there's a
constitution that says that they have a right to confront
their accusers if you use the Witness Protection Act. No
matter what you use when it comes to trial, they
still have a right. And those witnesses become afraid because
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other people that they have on the street. We've had
a killer in jail that got a witness on the
way the court killed before.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
So I understand them, and I keep.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Asking, it's something we have to do where maybe they
boys could be in there, or even an over voice
could be in the courtroom if this person is dangerous.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Tangela, what are your current goals or initiatives for Florida
parents and murdered children?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Stay your ground? I have a different outlook. I lost
my case to stand your ground. I am very good
friends with the senator that created that bill. I don't
feel that he created that bill for my son to.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Lose a case.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Just to shed some light for those that don't know
and aren't aware of the standard ground the law of
Florida's Standard ground law allows a person to use deadly
for us if they reasonably believe it's necessary to prevent
death or great bodily harm to themselves or others, without
the duty to retreat, even if they could safely do so.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
One of the things Catherine Fernandez teaches me is you
have to be careful of every policy allotted to put
in place, because an attorney can turn three words in
the five hundred different means, and so nobody knew it
can be used the way it was used until treyvon
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Martin was killed. That's really when the public learned about
Stanley Ground.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
I went from legislator to legislator with groups of parents
on my own.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
And what I didn't do, I did not go to
my legislators because I had a meeting with all my
legislators before they went back to Tallahassee at a community
meeting where all them is so they knew what our
needs was. And it's what I tell people when they
go to lobby things that they want.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
You go to your onn elected officials.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
However, the problem with Stanyel Ground is all the details
is not submitted to the jury. They don't have all
the information. It's so much you can't bring in to
the case.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Tangila, your work is very challenging, emotionally, very difficult, but necessary.
I know your parents. We're both heavily engaged in the community.
Your father was a principal, your mother worked for the
Vermamda County. What did you learn from them in terms
of community involvement.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
The importance of working, the importance of being engaged the
importance of being involved and being educated on the issues.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
And I applaud you for everything you're doing. I really
appreciate your time here today as well as your energy
to put to keep helping victims' families. Your work is
invaluable to the communities that you serve. Thank you for
speaking with me today. Thank you for having me take
care of Tagula. If you have information to share on
any cold case, please call or send in a tip
with your local crime stoppers or law enforcement department in Miami.
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That number is three zero five four to seven to
one tips. That's three zero five four seven one eight
four seven seven. You can also visit crime Stoppers three
zero five dot com and select give a tip. Cold
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