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September 4, 2025 • 45 mins

The Queen of Extreme welcomes a true ECW legend and his family to Eyes Up Here! This week, Francine and Chad are joined by The Sandman and his son Tyler to relive some of the wildest and most emotional memories from ECW. From iconic storylines to behind-the-scenes chaos, nothing is off limits as the Sandman and Tyler share their perspectives on being part of wrestling’s most extreme era.

 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
H h.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
This is Eyes up here and you're listening to watching
a brand new Eyes up here.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
You didn't know by now my name is Cabin.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Every single weeks i'm here with between the the street.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
We took a few weeks to get back together.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
But I mean we'll get into Adam recordings.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Funny.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, he's not a lot to cover.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
I'm not feeling great today. You weren't feeling grateful.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
We'll talk about it.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
But how are you now?

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Let's talk about it. Well, we'll talk about this in
the next uh, next hour.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Everybody's ready.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Everybody a lot of stuff. So I have two special
guests that I've been trying to get on.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
They look ready together, chomping at the bit to come
on right now. I want to introduce to you.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
He's already popping for me. It's the Sandman and his
son Tyler. Hi, guys, how are you? Ty I want
to start with you real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I got a flashback in my head. How old were you?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Before I even get into this crazy angle, because it's
still it's good parenting to let your little child in
the ring doing all that stuff, and I have to say, hey,
shitty parent right there?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
How old were you when.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
I was about It was like in like ninety six.
I was about six or seven years old.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, picture this. I love kids. I've always loved kids.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I tried to be nice to you every single time
I saw you, and I always got the shittiest look
and I never put me over.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
You would never say hello to me. I don't Tyler,
how are you? And give me the stink? And you
would always walk away from me.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
I was in character. You gotta remember that.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm not in characters, not in the ring. This was
behind the scenes, little jerk. I was always so nice
to you. I thought you were the cutest little thing.
And you would never give me the time of day.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
You weren't.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I that I was like, I was always so nice
to Tyler. He hates me.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 6 (02:45):
I don't remember it like that, but well, I apologize
if that's how it came across.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Oh God, she got her apology.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
And then I found him as an adult and I
find him very pleasing. So I just wanted to get
that off my chest.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
My feelings were hurt.

Speaker 7 (03:05):
What what do you remember, uh, you know, being so
young and being in that locker room, because I mean,
your family was always backstage, LORI, your mom was back there,
Pumpkin was back there, was Pumpkin jealous?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Was she jealous that that you were the star of
the family?

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Do you if she was? I was never told. I
don't know, Hock, did you did he tell?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
You?

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Showed it to me?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Never cared. Okay, what do you remember being that young?

Speaker 4 (03:40):
I don't know. Like you said, we were always we
were always there at the show in the back.

Speaker 6 (03:45):
So I mean that's really kind of all I ever
really know. But yeah, it was a good time, you know,
just being around everybody. I mean it was crazy because,
like you said, I was only six seven years old, but.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
It was a good time.

Speaker 6 (03:59):
I was alway was treated well by everybody typically and
uh step Francy.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, I couldn't get over I don't know why. Did
you're dead?

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Ever?

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Heal you if you messed up a spot?

Speaker 6 (04:15):
Uh never met honestly, I never maybe once or twice
or whatever. But there was always so many people, Like
my mom was right there.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
She was always.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
He would get your Stevie would Cube or the Meaty
or Nova or we all.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Made sure he was under direction at any time that
we needed him. Right.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, No, I I First of all, I love the angle.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I the other day was Father's Day and I was
texting people Happy Father's Day. Brian Myers, who I'm sure
you know, he sent me a meme of you with Scottie.
So I resented the heck, but you got it right,
I said it to you.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
But being so young, did you even understand like what
was going on? Because I was in my twenties and
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Know half the stuff that was happening at age six?
Did you understand the concept that, you know, the impact
that you were making?

Speaker 6 (05:22):
Oh, that the impact I was made? Oh no, but
I had just that's all I ever knew was going
to shows ever my whole life. So I was just
kind of going out there and doing what we've always
kind of done. It wasn't really anything different than me.
But I was like just so young and naive where
I couldn't even think about, well.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, you don't realize, Joe, you're a six year old
kid growing up and you're on TV at this point
in the fucking roughest in the roughest wrestling federation.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
You know you know what I mean? Yeah, that doesn't
even fathom in my.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Head, right, did anybody ever say anything to you at school?
Do you remember, like, did the other kids know.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
They were staying up till two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
That's true, we know, but in the area we were
on it like sixth, six o'clock, and.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Then we were on it like eight or something. In
the Philly area, it was always I don't.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Remember that time.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
No, I mean they, I mean they all knew that
my dad was a wrestler, but I mean I don't
think at the time they like knew like what I
was doing.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
And you didn't go in there events.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
You didn't go in there and put yourself over like
your kindergarten class, like what.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
It was all this is the only thing I ever knew.
So it wasn't like something big to me at the time.
I mean I put myself over more now.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Than I did back there when I went to wrestling school,
when I was going four nights a week, when I
first started to he was at every single one of those,
like he was.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Real small, but he was in his mom's arms. So
literally growing up with it means growing up with it, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Because your whole I mean I just remember your whole
family always being in the back.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah, I loved it. That's why I had to say,
a man, man, it's so great.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Whose idea was it to bring Tyler? Was it, Scottie?

Speaker 4 (07:20):
No, it's a great story. Listen to this.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I know I remember, believe me, I'm stupid. I can't
remember anything now, but this story you can't forget. We
were wrestling that tip the guy, remember the guy who
had the Damien stone, Damien whatever, and he had a
federation up in like reading or something. I walk in
Todd sitting next to him. All right, Todd, Todd sitting

(07:43):
next to him. I walk up. He's like, Heck, I
got this great idea. I've been talking to McCauley calking,
and we're gonna try and bring him into your son.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
I swear to god.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
I looked him straight in the face, I said, bo,
we got an exact look of him and my man
outside right now.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
He's a lot cheaper to swear to god, Dude, what
a great story.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
What the hell are you gonna get McAuley. Dude is
a big wrestling mark.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Though I know I wanted to bust up to his face.
Laugh you know what I'm saying. But at that point
my career I wasn't over it up.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yet I think Tyler was way more over than McAuley
would have been as your fake son.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
I had to face someone to work nearly as much.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
No, I don't think so either.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
I just when when you said, uh, what was the
exact line, like he's my daddy now or that he
said as your father.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
In the arena, it was just like.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Oh no, my brother just said, and he goes and
he ended it with and now I worship brave and yeah, daddy,
you're a drunk.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Now I worship drunk, sweet dude, because that's all we
needed to remember.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
And the crowd was like, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
It was like a collective gasp. And then you put
your little arms out and I was like, look at them.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Go.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
I don't understand why you're not doing the circuit with
why so you start?

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Okay, let's so, let's let's talk about this. What happened
with wrestling school? So?

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Uh you talking about in Florida?

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, So for use who don't know, Tyler was going
to be a wrestler.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
So I went down there. I went down to the
school and then me.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
And Hacker in the ring like the first day, like
doing whatever I ended up going. I ended up stepping
wrong in the ring and like hyper stending my knee.
And so from the very first day, from the very
first day, I was like rehabbing like for months and
months a month, like basically up like six months. And
it got to a point where like it was kind

(10:08):
of messing with like my mentals at the time because
I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Down there doing like what I was doing. I had
no friends, like.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
No family, just kind of like had messed with me,
and it brought me to a point where I wasn't
like really being myself. So I kind of had to
make the decision, you know, come back up to Philly
and you know, change paths.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
So step wrong.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
It was just when he went to go to lock up,
and when you you plant your front foot, there's a
little dip in the center of the ring, and the
bottom was a little lower than what you would think
it would be like your front foots it got hit
a little bit lower than your back foot is That's
how was that got and ended up being extended.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Okay, So so you're saying mental health wise, wasn't wasn't
an ideal fit for you?

Speaker 6 (10:53):
Well, just at that point in time, I mean, because
I never actually really got started. Like I got down
there and it's just you know, rehab, rehab, rehab, not
doing anything, and just one thing led to another, and
like it just kind of put me in a bad
state of mind. So I kind of just had to
change past and come back and you know the rest
of history.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
As they say, listen, if it wasn't it's not meant
to be, that's you have to look at it and
you let a different path. But I still think that
you should get eight x tens printed off as that
six year old, seven year old little boy and do
the conventions with us.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
It works if we got me Peaches, Scottie and him,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah, definitely, I think it.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Would work with just you two. It would be a
big reunion. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
We just tried Teaches by herself well, like Eric Sims
a hider and she did no business.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Business well you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
She's awesome though, I love I love one.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah, no, but she was going early, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, No, I know, I know, I just feel like
there's still like moderately.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
What she did. She was there for all the raven stuff.
So he came back, which is a classic the.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Courtney Love look that she posted for a while. You know,
I just feel like it's marketable to bring. I mean,
look at him now, he's in his thirties.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
And the people that watched like Peacock or what used
to be the WWE network or whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
There's a whole new generation fans that are watching our
stuff from the nineties, so they're seeing your angle for
like the first time.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
You know, it's the best when like a ten year
old kid comes up to me and he's like, oh
my god, you're my favorite. I'm like, sell you.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Watch me on the ww network.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Right, That's what it is. It's a wholy generation of fans.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
You know, I know I love being on that on
that network, it can't'll keep you alive forever exactly exact
he just starts seeing some royalty.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh please forget that breath.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
How you sign away your life with those first contracts
out no leverage at all? You know, like you make
like point oh oh oh one seven of a penny
on a doll.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
How bad they are your first contract. That's another that's
a penny I didn't have before.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
He's the optimist and you're the pessimist of the family. Mean,
you're yang.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
I still say there's money in this kid. I think
we can make some money off of Toddler.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
I really do. I think you can get an action
figure as that seven year old kid in the Raven
shirt with with the pose like that, with the little
arms out. I think it would be great.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
That's a great idea.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I'm telling you. You know me, hack, I'm working everybody.
I know what I'm talking talking about.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
And I.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
But it's funny because, like Shane and I were talking
the other day, a little kid came up to the table.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
And was like, can I just say that your angle
with Taz was epic?

Speaker 4 (14:14):
And he was like, you know, and that kid didn't
know what he was talking about.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
And Shane goes, how old are you? Goes, I'm ten,
And he goes, well, where did you see us? And
he goes, I watched Peacock, you know. And it's like
this whole new generation of hands. So people are seeing
you for like the first time, right, and there's.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Something becoming future wrestlers probably or or the kids like
I want to go up to being wrestling because.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
I tell them not you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
but I tell them not to.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
When a wrestler comes up to me and says that
I was his favorite wrestler growing up.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
You know what I mean, Well, that doesn't happen. I'm old.
And then I said that that.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
I'm like, all right, cool, that happened like two times
hacking you know it. But that's okay.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
Well it hasn't happened yet. I'll just say I mighty
dreamed it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
I just think that there's it's it's you're marketable. I
think that people like real collectors. They want everybody's autograph.
And I think if you got pictures printed up as
that seven year old kid, I think you'd tell the picture.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
I really do to make more money. There's no reason
not to try it, right. I guess the arena show
is the one with the icons. That's right.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
You should do the icons with your dad. That's the one,
the one that seven just in general, one of the.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
I don't know I'm in one on like one of
the Carolinas. Uh that weekend something.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I just found out.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
You're with me?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Where did you know that the gathering? Would you? Well,
if you're hand.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
I'm not going to the gathering.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
You're blistered at the gathering and carriage.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah I know, but I told I work with Pondo
and I'm like, no, dude, I had way too much
good time last time I was. Last year I was there,
I stole the guy who was running the place's golf
car and I had it for hours.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
I ate some mushrooms as soon as I got there.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
So you're not doing it.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
No, I'm not doing that gathering. I told him, no
way this year.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Oh, I'm doing it.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
You're not going to go to the ring until three
a m.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I'm not doing no. No, you're thinking of the Juggalos thing.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Well, that's called the gathering.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
No, this is a different gathering.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Well why would they call the gathering if the jugglers
have their gathering.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
You're you're booked on August seventh at the gathering, it's
not the Juggalers.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
And you go sh You're flying the Carolina two. Yeah,
I believe we won the same flight.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
I don't know. I will check later.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
We were in two weeks, dude, I am was scared
that we are going to get shot at the airport.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
It is, so, do we have a do we have
a graphic for that?

Speaker 4 (17:10):
I can get it?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
He so, uh, what for our appearances. We plug things
on this show, might not. Yeah, so everybody can come
and see us at the airport. We are going to
be like nobody that we're so over you don't even understand.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
We're going to be in Niles, Ohio and Eerie p
a Oh Anthony, right, I don't know with who.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
No, it's probably not anyway. Yes, I think it is
a t d.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
L booked on that loop with us.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
You want to, I'll have to check my schedule.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Okay, I'll try to get you both.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
No, we got softball playoffs. Oh yeah, yeah, there we go.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
We're going to be at the Retro Toy Market in Niles,
Ohio from ten am to fourth them on July twenty third.
It's a meet and greet. Oh I'm sorry, wait, wait,
go back. Why are there two times on there?

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Well, we got two events that day.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
No, it says from ten to four, but then it
says eleven to three.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
So I think the show goes from ten to four
at the Retro Toy Market and it says the meet
and greet is eleven to three.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
What's the difference?

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Obviously, I care.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
I think it's a case of giving a little too
much information. And clouding up the graphic.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, I can't even understand what he's saying. He's this
is this is the other one. Tell your father to
come inside, please, he.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Got too far out of range. This is the other place.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
I can't understand them, all right.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
And then the same day we jump in the car
and we go to Eerie, PA for a meet and
greet from six to eight.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
But those other that other time frame doesn't make sense
at all. Ten to three.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Fly Friday night.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, we don't get into freaking like eleven o'clock or something.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
I know.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
I'm glad we're doing a Friday night Dude? Is this
that an indie show?

Speaker 1 (19:22):
That one?

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Screw?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
What is this?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Hacker? We going to an indie show? Do you know?

Speaker 5 (19:32):
Because it's like it says action toy man up in
the corner. But six to eight that's pretty late for
a meet and greet at a shop.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
I don't know anything, Okay, hacky hell way, And I
can't hear here, I tell him, I can't here.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, I don't know what the what you can be
a moron? Love this family so much?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
I can't hack Can you hear me? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:01):
You get in the background. Yeah, I gotta fix it
for you, moron.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Hold on, it's the best interview I've ever conducted in
my life.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
This is good, Yeah, very good.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
It's behind the scenes, your technical skills, hacks condo, Oh wow,
in stereo.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
There we go, he's muted, he's unmuted. It all right,
There we go, There we go, There we go. Hat
hat listen, are we at a indie show in eerie

(20:45):
p a.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
Oh lord, I think he's gotta I think he has
to bounce out and come back in. I think his
connection got messed up when he went outside.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Why can't he just sit next to Tyler lock out?

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah? Yeah, how to do that?

Speaker 5 (21:10):
Yeah, I'll make it these alright, I'm gonna bout you
out to make it easier.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Just talk to Tyler. We're just gonna talk to you
for a while. So do you watch watched wrestling? Are
you watching current wrestling these days?

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Uh? Yeah? I am uh not not a lot of
uh w w A a lot of a w moore.
But what's your opinion. I can't stand rawl or anything anymore.
It's the same. I don't know my opinion. It's like
the same show over and over again. It's pretty much
the same thing I can't like times you're going to
see Brocken what's.

Speaker 6 (21:46):
Yeah, it's I don't know, what do you think. Yeah,
it's the same thing over and over again. For like me,
at least a now A w is a little bit
you know, spot spots, spots, spots, spots, spots, spots stuff.
So yeah, but it's a little it's different. It's a
little bit more entertaining for in my opinion. But have you, uh,
have you been watching keeping up at all?

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I don't. I keep up on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
So if like my friends are working, I'll be sure
to watch a spot that they're in, but I won't
sit there I used to do.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I used to do Twitch and like watch the whole
two hours, and.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I just found myself like just ignoring the product and
just reading my chat.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Because I just I can't get into it anymore. Like
I used to be such a fan of just wrestling
in general, and now to chore for me to sit
there for hours and watch it.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Well, acts very similar and that.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
Like he he doesn't he'll watch if like I'm watching
or something like that, but he doesn't really stay up
with It's just he's I don't know.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
You can ask him what do you think.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Current product? You iner you out? Did he mute himself again?
I'm gonna kill your father, I swear.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
I don't know. I can't now I can't figure it out. Yeah,
spots and nobody tells a thing.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
On which product both. It doesn't matter. Yeah, I know.
I I just if my friends are on. Like I said,
I like to watch it.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
And support what they're doing, but to see three hours
at a time, I just can't do.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
It right.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Now, You're good half, but I can't. I can he
he can't hear us ship, but we can hear them.
Look at his face. I can't. This interview is just
going the ship? Why Why does this always happen to me?
He can't sit down? I think he has a d D.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
You think he's the dark Look, I just see silhouette.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Guess the wrestler. Who is it?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Well, anyway, Tyler, I I really feel like there's a
market for you. I really do. And I feel like
if they brought you back with your dad, you can
make some extra money on the side. What do you think, Chad?

Speaker 5 (24:21):
I agree, No, I think absolutely, Especially at that Icon's
Arena show, they do what three four of them a year?

Speaker 4 (24:28):
I think that's the spot.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
That's yeah, I'm sure Robal will let you come. You
should just test the waters.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Oh yeah, I definitely. I would definitely be in for that.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
But I just never even really thought about it, to
be honest with you, until you just kind of really
brought it up. Well, because I'm always like you actually
been there with me. Yeah, yeah, I mean I'll go
to them something, but not like I do.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
It's not like you're recognizing the difference. Tat Dade Barty
Ducci when he was on Artridge Family. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
But if he's sitting at a table with his picture
in front of him and it says Tyler Fullington, people
are gonna want his article.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
I'm telling you, I get the picture when you guys, hug.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Come on, there's so many different shots you could use.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
When he's got the cane and Tyler's there like this,
that's perfect.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
That's money you're missing. You'd be sitting on a bootload
of money. Tyler.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
That face, he's got what he's looking down.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
Come on, there's a there's a plenty of good pictures
I've seen, like from here there like somebody's where I'm
like in front of race Raven and he's like chained
up to the cage, like getting in front of him
with hack.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff, But you were adorable.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
You reminded me of Dennis de Menace.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Yeah, you're not the first one to say no. And
he was.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
My mom watches him and he was on the other day.
I said, what a cute little boy he was. You
look just like him when you were a kid. You know,
you shouldn't You should have did some TV work besides
our generic show.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
But I digress.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I feel like, get yourself to icons and try it
and test it, and especially in Philly, I think you
would make some money.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Yes, uh.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Hat.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
I think August seventh is like the next one. But
I think that's the day you guys are already booked
for something else.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I'm telling you his name is on the schedule for
the gathering. And it's not the one from the Gougglers.
It's the one from Marty t mart looking looking how
cute he is at silver right there? Look at oh
my god.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
Age.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
But that was in nineteen thirty two, before flash photography.
We'll kill marketable this picture is. I'm telling you, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I would I would try to get together and do
one of these icons. I think there's one in December
around Christmas time.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
You should try to get on that one.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah, right, yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I think it's close by so you don't have to
travel real far. And if it sucks, it sucks. But
at least she tried it, and I don't think it's
gonna suck. Not at the arena.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Sure, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, kids to get all this together and charge like
fifty bucks for the photo.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Well, if you want to bring the whole family into it,
you can.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
But I see the time.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Is he doing stuff still, Scotty?

Speaker 4 (27:51):
Yeah, he does stuff here and there.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
I never see his name mentioned anywhere.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
The only thing I see is hell, it's something up
on Twitter every now and then. But I mean it's
not like I see a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
But look at this Look look at this picture? Are
you are you saying.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Saying that's a picture right there.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
And we got a winner. You look so mad, Tyler,
That's right.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
I mean that was what I was told to Really,
that's how you used to look at me in the back.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
I mean, Hack was always like tell me, he's like yo,
whenever you're you know, around, like because you don't know
who's going to be walking in the back or when
you're gonna.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Run into somebody, Like, yo, you gotta keep k fab
kid like wow, yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:42):
I mean, but I'm like you, I like took it
like as the strict as rule possible, like, yo, I
gotta be uh.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, you were in character because that's the that's always
the look right there that I got from you.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Look. Look how cute it was just like Dennis so cute.
You look like your mom.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Yeah, I know. That's a good thing, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Picture too, There's a lot of great shots that we
could especially on that leather a silver signature.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Oh my gosh, you are missing your calling.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I'm telling you, my mind is always working, even if
it's not just for me. Like yes, your dad, I've
given him such good advice.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
He never takes it.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
He could be a millionaire right now, but I'm always
thinking of like business opportunities, and I'm telling you this
is marketable.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
He should have been a born star.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
To me or Tyler, Tyler, why why would you.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Say that your giving yourself a lot of credit for
saying you to be a born star?

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Well, why would you.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Say that about your child. You weirdo.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
You're always busted on each other, and that's.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
What we do. I'm lost anyway, I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
What's that you said? Yeah, I have no idea where
that came from. That's the first time I'm hearing it.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Weird.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
It's so weird.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Do you regret giving up the wrestling school?

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Now?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Are you happy just being just a fan and just
casually watching it when you want?

Speaker 6 (30:12):
I mean partially, But it's hard for me to say
regret because I did what I thought was the most
important thing for myself at the time. So I can't
really say I really regret it, Like, do I wish
that things happened differently?

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah, but regret it's probably not the word I would
say for it.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
So you could always get in and you know, do
you manage your stuff with your dad? If you had
that itch to it for him to be the manager,
I would have to get in the ring and that
you don't you do run ins?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Though?

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Don't you do super run but lippens?

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, creepings. He said I was harder in the business
because I took five minutes.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
I'm just saying there's a way that you can work
and not have to be fully trained.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Oh for sure, we can figure out a way.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Something we can get you in this well, I'll think
of stuff and we'll get you.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
But I'm telling the easiest thing to do is go
to the arena and try to sign those autographs. I
think you and your dad together would be money.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah, you're probably right.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
I'm pretty sure I am right, but I don't know
for sure. I am, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I have not come across you as an adult. I
think you're delightful now. I thought you were a brat
back then, but I think you're delightful now.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
And I'm over it. I'm over it. I'm done with it.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I did think you were adorable as a child, and
that's why I tried to be your friend.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Pumpkin loved me. Pumpkin and I used to all all
the time.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Tyler over with the other.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I know. I had to try and get over with
the family. Somehow couldn't do it with Tyler. But I
hope to see you somewhere at a show.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Uh run into each other soon, I think so, And.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
I think you should try and get on that December show.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Okay, is that the seventeenth? He actually texted me about
that the other day. Finally, is it. I think that's yeah, ye.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Tell him you'll do it as long as Tyler can
sign with you, and it's a big reunion.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
I'm telling you you don't need raving. You don't.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
I don't have to get it. Fine, Starte's approval for anything.
He's got a respect for me. I get a table
and you know what I'm saying, Well, you're.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
So over then excuse me. Just do he makes some money.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Yeah, he's kind of a big deal, A big deal
in Philly.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Look, I'm just trying to help the situation. You know.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
I was gonna put a word in, but if I
don't have to, I won't. Okay the balls, it's fine.
But again, Hack and I will be together on July
twenty third. All those times are crazy.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I don't know. I don't know when or where somebody's
picking us up. But hopefully if we get to there.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, because I'm telling you, Hack, both my American Error
last two flights were canceled.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yeah, I know. It's horrible.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Screwed. I was stuck there.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
They don't have enough pilots, No, they don't.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
They don't. And I was at the airport. I woke
up at three fifty two am to go to the.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Airport to reschedule my flight, and they put me on
Jeff Blue and I had to go through Boston, and
that's how I got COVID.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Oh so I play the American airlines for for getting COVID.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, I heard Jeff Blue is famous for giving you COVID.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Hurt airlines.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Wait, I know, I feel Jet Blue and all I
got was and COVID. I'm sad at the next show.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
But oh dude, I heard there were they were offered.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
So they offered somebody ten thousand dollars to give up
their ticket.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
It was that high for some certain flight somewhere, ten.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Grand and geez, I'm saying I'll take it, promoter, I'm
not coming.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
I'll say I'll mail you. I'm going back it.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
They offered me four hundred and fifty dollars to switch
my flight, and then like right when they when I
got that, the next thing was, your flight is canceled.
This was Wednesday, I supposedly Thursday. Because your flight's canceled,
we rebooked you on Friday. I got wait, I'm not
going home on Friday. I'm going home tomorrow. So the
promoter was like, well, I'll take you to the airport.

(34:51):
At three fifty two am.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I'm standing there the freaking airport trying to get a flight.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Yeah, the alerts and something like out on your phone.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
The alerts came through to tell me I was screwed.
That's what we're screwed.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
You're screwed.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
That's our American air capitals would have fucking sad face emoji.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Well, guess what if our flake gets canceled. What we
need to do is we'll just h We'll have to
get a room at the Marriotte at the airport and
then just go over early that morning.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Well, yeah, that was kind of the idea when I
had Tom make the tickets.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
You know what I'm saying, Oh, did you think about that,
because I don't.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
I don't think of course, No, this idea is idea.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, I didn't want us to get up super early
and go would have to be somewhere at eleven o'clock
on the ground, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
No, everybody's still.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Everybody's getting canceled. I'll be surprised if this flake takes off.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
So I know I texted you at the other day
I know it.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I know it, but we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
But that's July twenty third, come see me and saying, man,
I don't know where we're going to be, but uh.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Ten or eleven and ends it three or four. It
makes no sense.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Yeah, see I'm not the only one.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, well, Tyler, look this is what they sent us.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (36:12):
But I don't know any time anywhere. I know what
city I'm going to, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Well, you're the only reason why I booked this.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
They definitely could have put it together a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
It doesn't make any sense. It says it starts in
ten to four, but our meet and greets eleven to three.
Oh maybe we're like special and we get to.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Come an hour later.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Yes, yeah, that's what I'm saying before.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Oh the stars, but they're just the times are just
floating out in space on.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Both it's not really like explaining it.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, okay, And.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
If you have to think about it that much, think
about the people who are looking at it.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
And somebody else is definitely thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, well I hope somebody's thinking about it, because if
nobody shows up, I'll cry.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
But then the following that, we have to jump in
a car and it's like an hour and a half
ride or something, and then we go to a show.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Are you you're not wrestling? Are you hack?

Speaker 4 (37:06):
First of all, I don't wrestle anymore. All right, I'm
read guy's text right now. He says, Friday night, we'll
drive an hour from the airport to the hotel an hour.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
That Saturday is the toy show from eleven am to
three pm.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Then a store signing from six am to eight pm.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Six am to.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yeah, but it's in a different town. I think there
were eighty six miles away when I checked it the
other day. Sh six to eight yeah pm, six pm
to a pm. Man at a store that's this one.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
That's a store.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
So it's not a it's not a action toy man.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
So then you got eighty six miles to go back.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
After eight o'clock, you're to meet.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
With me because I'll get carsick, for sure. I throw
up in the backseat.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Oh you are such a loser.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I am a loser.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
I throw up in the back seat. That gave you
all the drugs, the stuff in your bra.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Did you ever hear that story?

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Tyler? Maybe your father, your father.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
You know, we traveled together a lot over the last
thirty years.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Your dad had I don't even know what kind of
drugs he had all over his body. And we landed
somewhere for ec W. I don't know where we were,
but we got into like this van cab right because
it was me, it was Hack, it was I think
Joel Gertner, a bunch of us. Krino I think was

(38:33):
in the van with us, like a bunch of us,
you know, And we get in and the gentleman was.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
He was like Pakistani, sure.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Okay, and he, you know, when he talked, couldn't really
understand what he was saying. He had a there was
a little bit of a language barrier. But your father,
you know, being the gentleman that he is, called him
that name.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
They down didn't like it because his name was not Hubby,
it was something different. HAC kept calling him this name,
and they start fighting and your father starts cursing at him.
So the cab driver took off, but only went in
a circle, and he parked right back where we started

(39:22):
and he told us to get out.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Well, HAC told him basically, fuck you, I'm not getting out.
And the next thing you know he called the police.
So your dad turns around and starts shoving drugs in
my brother.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Decion that could possibly happen.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
He says, put it in your panties, and I go, okay.
But here there was a dog and I said, oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
They're gonna sniff my crotch and whatever drugs I'm holding,
I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Jail here is. Don't worry about it. I'll take them
if they if they want to put you in jail,
I'll take the drunks back. I'm like, well, why don't
you just hold them?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
And why are they in my ponies? I had two
things and things in my panties and then in each
cup of my bra and.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Panties.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
So much truck. But that's what I would do. I
would take your dad on the plane. I would be
his shield. He would do his gimmick. I'd cover him. Hackey.
Remember remember the one time you came drunk to Tyler.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
We're in line on Southwest. Now that Southwest there's no seats.
It's like ABC, you just get in. I remember I
was there earlier. I was in like B and I
hear your father, Yeah, I mean, B girl, where are
you were you in big screaming right. So I look
at him and he's I mean, the worst I've ever

(40:59):
seen this early in the morning. So he trying to
get on a flight, right, So I go and I
grab him, and he's loud and obnoxious and he wouldn't
shut up, and he kept going and going. So the
lady goes, he's not getting on the plane, and I go,
what do you mean he's fine? No, no, he's he's inibriated,
he's intoxicated. He's not getting on the plane. So real quick,

(41:22):
I go, no, man, you don't understand. I said, we're
professional wrestlers, and he has a concussion and he hasn't
slept all night. He's been up for thirty six hours.
I said, if you let him on this plane, let
him sit next to me, and I will take care
of him the whole flight.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
And she goes, do you promise me? I go, you
have my word. She goes, okay, I get him on
the plane.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
He fell asleep on my left boob for the two
and a half hours that we were there, and I
got him home safely.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
But that was the whole time plane.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
I love boob. I left mooove over my right boom.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Yeah, that's it. Definitely not the first probably, but.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
See, I take care of my friends, and I took
care of your dead several times.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Somebody can't do it.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
It's always a good time, always a good time. But
like I said, I I appreciate you coming on. I've
been wanting to get you for a while and I
know your work schedule has been a little bit crazy,
so I figured this since we were recording on Sunday,
it would be good. But I hope to see you somewhere,
and I hope you go on the seventh. I can't
go to the Arena. I haven't been to the Arena
in thirteen years because there and.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
I was never banned.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
They stole money from me and stole my show that
I did, so I won't go there until somebody dies.
So when they die, I will make my big triumphant return.
Put until then, that's the way it has to be.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
But you need to go get your get your eight
x tens printed up and and just go and make
your money.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Thank you as a good idea, and thank you for
having me welcome.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I will talk to you, so heck, i'll talk to
you before we leave. In a couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
He said, yeah, yeah, yeah, watch him, big brother. I'm
not he maybe hack, He's not. He's not around anymore.
That door closed. You didn't hear that?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
That door? Okay, I'll talk to him about it through
text message because I need to know who he's.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
All Right, Thank you, Tyler, please.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Thank you for meeting you buddy. All Right, you guys
staying you too.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah.

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