September 25, 2025 • 42 mins
In this Eyes Up Here Flashback, we’re taking you back to a classic conversation with WWE Hall of Famer and ECW legend D-Von Dudley. From the wild days of ECW to his unforgettable WWE run alongside Bubba Ray, D-Von shares stories, insights, and memories that only the “Master of the Tables” can deliver. Whether you’re an old-school ECW fan or a WWE faithful, this episode is packed with extreme nostalgia, laughs, and behind-the-scenes stories you won’t hear anywhere else.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hm hm hm.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
H m hm hm hm. You three d yourself out.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Of the interview. Oh yeah, I was said, sing, sayan uh,
send me another link because it didn't seem like the
one that was on was working.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh well it's working. I'm sorry I was in. I
was in a deep conversation, all right. So getting back
to that.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
So, yeah, your.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Daughters, your your daughters are beautiful. They took a liking
to me. They were holding my hand, giving me hogs.
I love that stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I love children.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
But your son, m oh, my god. So this baby
I'm not naming names because I don't you know, I
don't know what you want out there in the world,
but this being okay, oh so dj oh my god,
this baby six weeks old at the time, this little
tiny creature. I have been longing to hold a child.
(01:24):
I haven't held a baby in years. It's been years
because no one I know has children like tiny babies.
So the first thing when they get out of the van,
I'm like, am I allout to hold him?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Can I?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I ended up? Didn't. I ended up holding that baby
for like the whole time you guys were there.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
This kid has the strongest neck that I've ever witnessed
in his head was constantly back.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Just staring at me. Is this lady, This is not
my mother?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
But it was so nice because you know, I've seen
you at conventions and stuff, but it was just so
nice being able to just sit there and like break
bread and just shoot the ship and not worry about working.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I mean, yeah, it's always to me. It's always a
pleasure to do something like that when you are with friends,
especially from the past and people that you created history with,
just to sit relax, talk about some of the old stories,
but then talk about some news stories that we might
not know of or remember and or that we should
(02:27):
say that we created.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
So it's always good for that. I love I love
doing things like that.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, it was a lot of fun and I was
I was glad we made it happen, and hopefully next
year if we if we.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Come back, we'll do it again.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah. But I talked about your daughters.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Now some people may not know this, most do, but
your sons, your twins, are actually doing things in the business. Now,
do you want to talk about them a little bit?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah? So Talenton Twell, they did a couple of things
in a w uh. They were in a huge storyline
with Pope and myself and TNA. So they've been they've
been around for a while. Yeah, you know, doing their thing.
But yeah, I mean I get asked about them more
(03:16):
than when people come to see me at the autograph
signing your sons. You, oh, your sons were here, Your
sons were there, Your sons are over they're over there.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Listen. I'm not. I was nowhere near as over as
my boys.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
That was a great storyline, it was. It was intense
at some points. You know, they were they were a
big part of the show.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, they were. I mean they were only they were
the only high school kids at the time that I
knew that was on pay per view and making money.
So that's about absolutely.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So let's talk.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Let's talk. Let's put you over and let's talk about you.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Who cares about your kids? I don't care about them.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
I want to talk about you.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
How are you feeling People might not know you had
surgery about a year ago.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yeah, I had back surgery.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
They fused there four or five and then that's one
I sometimes, you know, I was just talking to DDP
because I've been I've been having like little chronic pains
in the lower back, and that comes with surgery, so
there's nothing abnormal.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
You know, when the weather is cold, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
The body hurt. The back hurts. When it rains, you know,
the back hurts. So it's stuff like that, And it
kind of made me walk a little funny sometimes, like
with like a little bit of a limp, just because
there's no cushion in between in your spine and in
the vertebrates. This cushion so when you walk and you
(04:41):
come down, you have that cushion as opposed to boom
like you know, born on bone. So sometimes it happens
if I don't stretch or take the time to really
you know, move the lower limbs where I should, you know,
that limp will come on. I'm man, I forgot the stretch.
(05:02):
I got to get back on the floor and stretch. Well,
I mean, it just comes with the territory. Other than that,
I'm fine, No, no big deals.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
We didn't stretch before he came to see me, because
he was walking in front of me the elevator and
I was like, hey, old man, yellow limping on. But
then I was limping right behind him, so it's okay.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Dinner.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
We were talking about all our ailments.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, I wish I would have saw DDP first, be
far had the surgery would be different.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's you know, I've seen testimonies from other people that
DDP has helped.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
There was just a new testimony by Butterbean where he
could Billy he couldn't even walk, and now he's walking
straight up talking about having another boxing match.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
There's another guy that I first heard about.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
He used to jump out the airplanes and basically had
the two not walking but the two crutches that hooks
onto his forearms, and he was walking like that. He
could barely move. And now he's running marathons and everything.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And I was like, man, if I would have went
to see him first, it could have maybe worked.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
May not you know, maybe oh.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
You wouldn't have got the surgery. You're saying I wouldn't know.
I don't know if I would have. I'm not saying
I wouldn't have gotten it. I would have tried the
DDP yoga first and his methods on how he's helped
people before I went and got it.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Because I did. I tried everything possible before I had the.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Surgery to alleviate the pain and all of that, and
nothing seemed to work.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
So the only thing that was left was back surgery.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Well, you know they, I mean, look at the job
that we had for the longest time. And the people
always say like, oh, well, if you go to wrestling school,
they teach you how to bump correctly, and it's like,
it doesn't matter if you bump correctly or don't bump correctly.
Your body is going through trauma every single time. It's
not normal to take a excuse me, to take a
(07:07):
back bump or to you know, fly off the top road.
That is not normal. And every little movie you make
is trauma.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, God never intended your body to do things like that.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
No man did.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Pro you know, we had to take each other down
and show who was strong strong like bullk and next thing,
you know, pro wrestling was from.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
It's just it. You know, everybody, well, if you trained.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You should be okay, and it's just like, dude.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
No, you're not okay. You can take one bump your.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Whole life and you don't have to be a wrestler.
You can trip down the stairs and screw your whole
body up for the rest of your life. So continuing
to you know, bump every night like you guys did,
You're gonna come across some health issues.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You know, sometimes I look, I go, God, look at
Jeff harn you know, look at Jeff Hardy, look at
r v D. Some of the things that they've done,
they didn't need back. So what the hell am I
doing wrong?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
They're still going?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Which is still going?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I heard a little birdie, not so little big birdie
by the name of Bubba Ray Dudley, and he was saying,
you know, maybe you guys are gonna do another loop
around the world or something as a tag team.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Yeah, we talked about it.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Of course, you know that we're gonna give give you
the greatest hits. You know, we don't have to do
anything to try to reinvent the wheel or anything like
that where you know, we go back. We're gonna just
give the fans exactly what they like and what they missed.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
So we're gonna hit the greatest hits.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
It's got like Kiss, the rock group Kiss, you know
when they when they were they had to make up
on and doing all the old songs, rock and roll
all night, you know, all of those good hits. People
loved them. The minute they took that makeup off, it
was over. This was over, and you know, and then
they started coming up with new songs, and some of
them were good, but they weren't. They weren't the classics.
(09:16):
They weren't what Kiss was known for. The minute Kiss
put the makeup on and went back on tour and
started doing those you know, those classics, it was like
it was like a resurge in the arm for Kiss,
you know, and they just started all over again. So
now that's what me and Bubba was saying. You know,
we don't have to go out there and try to,
(09:36):
you know, reinvent the wheel on tag team wrestling or
try to have five star matches.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Let's just go out there and have fun and hit
the greatest hits.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Nostalgia. Nostalgia, that's what people want.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, and you could give it to them.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Can we see the what's up?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well, maybe we'll do the what's up? When Bubba's up
on that top rope doing so reverse it.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, you're just holding legs open.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Just holding them.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Hey, that's a good position to be in for a man.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Hold the woman's legs open. Or guy, if you're into that,
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah three D maybe, oh yeah, definitely three D, which
I told him the other day.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I would have taken that from you. Guys, no problem.
It never happened.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, no, never happened.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
You got away.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You were protected, they got away. You were protected by
three of the toughest men in Shane Douglas, Bam Bam
Bigelow and Chris Candido.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
So the Dudleys couldn't touch it at that point.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
But I also feel like if you came into the
company earlier than you did, you would have been feuding
with the Pippoles and I would have taken that from you.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, I mean again, that would have been the Dudleys.
We did actually work together. My first match, I think
you c w Arena. It was me and Bubba versus
the pit Bulls. Was with them. Yep, you were with them,
and you beat the hell out of uh dancing with
(11:13):
You had these seven inch I'm gonna say they were
seven inches lets and we're standing on freaking uh dancing
with Dudley's freaking going back and forth, up and down,
trying to keep them down because you were trying to
beat them up. I remember looking at that, I go,
this is not wrestling. I go, what the hell am
(11:35):
I doing here?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Hey, that's what I was told to do, you know?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Oh yeah, I know, and I remember you you basically
I see I turned around and see that, and then
I start going after you, like walking towards you. It
was like Jason going after the girl that he wants
to kill something that slow, you know, to the girl.
And we were doing that around the ring until I
believe then he jumped down.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
And hit me in the back of the head.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And then that was the night that you got a bomb?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
So later we did the four Corners match, I suppose yep.
So it's funny because we didn't work together too much.
But there's one match and when I had Bubba on
I and I wish I could we could pull it
up to show you it because it's hilarious. I don't
know if I didn't have anybody to work with that evening,
but Paul made me come out when the Dudleys were
(12:32):
in the ring. It was I think, I guess it
was a house show. It was never for TV. And
I they make me come out in this big jacket, right,
and I, you know, I've addressed someone underneath it or whatever,
and I try to entice you and I take the
jacket off and you do the wah wuza with the eyes.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
It was.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
It was such gaga.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
It was ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I end up beating up all of you, and then
Spike comes in out and does like some kind of
death like the death drop or something.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
The acid drop.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
But I gave like I gave Bubba.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Ddp's diamond cutter, I did something to you. I gave
Lou a regular deity too. I mean, it was ridiculous.
I beat up your whole clan.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Oh point yea by Francine and then later the podcast,
well we were all in life.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Come on, when I look back and I say to myself,
my god, here I am one hundred and seventeen pounds,
soaking wet. I got all these big men around me,
and I'm beating the shit out of everybody.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
It is so not believable.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
But it was just like a little haha aga spot
to fill.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah. The great thing about stuff like that is when
you look back at it. Yes, realistically, a woman your
side should not have been able to take out three
guys outside. But back then CW did things like that,
and even though it didn't make sense when you look
at it, it was very entertaining. It was how we
did it right and how we pulled it off. We
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got the reaction, as opposed to some people that do
things that don't make sense and then there's no reaction.
We put a lot of entertainment and stuff like that
to even though people knew that it could never happen,
maybe it's a possibility it can because ECW is telling.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
That story and that was just what we did.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
When you look at some of the matches that we did,
oh my god, I cringe.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
What's the worst match that you had to do that
You look back and you say to myself, good lord,
this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
E c W. Yeah. I mean, I'm not gonna say
I mean, we had great matches, but and I'll get
to that question. What I was saying was it was
like we're sitting up there and when you look at
some of the things that we're doing, stuff in front
of the referee. You know, the referee is watching and
it's not being a DQ were outside for like five
minutes from the outside of the ring, you know, and
(15:02):
it's like, what the hell will we think it. But
because we made it so entertaining and because we captivated
an audience the way we did, people suspended that and
just didn't even think about the rules or what didn't
make sense. We made them believe it at that point because.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
The other people were following the rules. The other companies
were cookie cutter following the rules, and we took it
outside the box and did things differently.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That's why we were That's why we were the Nevada
Nevada Vana Nevana. We were the Nevana of pro wrestling.
There's no different than Nirvana. Navana came when you know,
you have Martley Crue, Metallica, you know, all these hair
bands that are just killing it in the eighties, and
it didn't seem like anybody was gonna take them down.
(15:49):
Then Navana came in and just kicked down the door
and said, Nope, we're breaking the rules. We're gonna be sad,
pissed off. We're gonna tell you how we feel. I mean,
because you know, when you when you look at that
type of music and you're like, oh my god, I
just I want to murder myself. I'm so sad, you know,
and it's like Oh my god. It's that Seattle feel
that they you know, that you always hear about. But
(16:10):
you know, it was one of those things where when
Nevana did that, it just opened up a whole new
door for music. And it was what we did in ECW.
We kicked the door down and did the opposite of
what should have been done right. But when we did it,
we did it good.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And did it very entertaining and fun.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yep, So I forgot what the other question was.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
When you look back at your career, it doesn't even
have to be in ECW, just matches that you've been
a part of you you were saying, like, you look
back sometimes and you say, oh my god, so cringe.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I cringe when I think.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Of that worst, the worst thing, or the worst angle
that you've been a part of. That you look back
in your because there's things that I've done or closed
that I've warned that I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I'm like, what was I thinking? Like where did this
come from? Like this was such a bad choice.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Anything that you've ever done that you look back and
you're just like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, TNA, TNA Match pay per View, the fish Market,
Street Fight, fish Market, Yeah, Yeah, they had fish line,
they had fish on ice and nothing to that. This
has nothing to do with Curryman, who was Christopher Daniels
(17:27):
and shock Boy. Loved those guys, love working with them.
But I hated this. I don't like fish. I don't
eat fish. I hate the smell of fish. And it's
real fish on ice, like like you had a fish market,
and of course you know people picking fish up and
throwing it and hitting people with it. I remember looking
at curry Man. I said, listen, do not hit me.
(17:49):
Would a guy with fish? I said, you do, it
becomes real.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Do not hit me. Do not hit me at all
with a.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Gimmick, Like, what's the point it was?
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Vince russo Enough said, I.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Have never like.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Does that make sense.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
To go to?
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Well, it wasn't it. You had it was a regular match.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, go outside and take the fish and hit each
other as a weapon. Now that was where the rules were, Like,
oh it was It's like a street fight. There are
no rules in a street fight. You can have a
regular match, but you can use weapons.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I would throw up, I threw out my wrestling gear.
Oh it was that bad.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
What if somebody just picked up a fish and just
smacked you across the face.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Well, Curry and Curry man Daniels a great but shock
boy forgot that. I said that to him, got caught
up in a moment and he took the fish hit me.
As soon as he hit me, I went, potato, goddamn fish.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Oh my god, I'm gonna have to look that match
up because I had never I've never even heard.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Of that one.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It was good. I hated that match to this day.
I said it was the worst match because again, I
never liked it. And I remember telling I remember saying
something to Russo. I said, do we have to do
this match?
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Oh, bro, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Bro, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
I'm telling you people gonna love it. Bro, It's gonna
be great. And I'm like, you feel a ship.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
He goes, no, Bubbas, he goes Bubbas, He goes Bubba's uh,
Bubba's cool with it.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I looked at Bubba, he goes.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Bubba's face.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I'm just like, Russo, you're lying. I was like, this
is a god awful match.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
This How how many like big fish were there?
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Like?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Did they have boxes of fish around the ring?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Is that no, you ever go you ever go to
Chinatown or market. It was a fish market, you know,
like the little trade. The big trays that they had
they filled up with ice and then they put the
fish on top.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Okay, so it was just like one one.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They had like a whole line of it. They had, yeah,
and they had fish and all that on there. It was.
It was bad.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
The smell was horrible.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
The fans, like, I mean, did not.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Stars ships Nelson. He's never given me five stars, and
any of the matches he gives me negative stars. Not
even in the freaking TLC match. I think we got
like two.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Oh my god, that's terrible.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
But while people still talk about those matches today thirty
something years awesome still. But so, I mean, I don't
know what his problem was, but you know, hey, it
is what it is, yea his own what well, you know,
you two guys may see a wrestling match and love
it and I may hate it, but that doesn't mean
that I'm gonna, you know, out of one to ten stars,
(20:53):
I'm gonna go, okay, get to two. It may get
a two for me, but not not not everybody else
should know take it as you know, you know, everybody
else don't look at as the two match.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, I feel like back then e c W never
got like not that it means anything but the rating
system from him, but I feel like none of our
guys got a lot of stars for them.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Well, I know a lot of our guys didn't like him.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It was pissed off at him. But I also know
that you're right, none of us got any of those.
I will remember a lot of people thought e c
W was barbaric, right, They didn't like ECW, even some
of the veterans in w c W or WWE. I'm
gonna say that w W F Yeah, you know basically
(21:45):
did not know or understand what we were doing.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
And they would say, and a lot of them would
say what.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
We were doing was garbage and this and that, until
the fans started catching on and watching and then showing
their love and support, and you could go to an
arena that wasn't an ECW show, but it was like
a w CW or WWE show where the fans would
hijack the show and start channel e CW. Right, you know,
(22:14):
it was then that people's eyes scided to wake up.
So you know, now some might not have believed in
what we were doing.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
But that's fine. But again, what is it thirty forty years?
Speaker 6 (22:24):
I'll go east thirty thirty forty I feel like it
makes me feel too.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah, it's not quite close to it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
But people still talk about it, you know. It's it's
one of those things where it's unbelievable. Yeah, oh my,
can we.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Just can I just take this in right now? We're
so the fish. We're for those listening, Uh, we're watching
the fish Market street Fight right now from two thousand
and eight TNA destination x So, Buba's going for a
fish for shark boys.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Sharp.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
He's going for a net to let y'all know. Oh,
Boba's moving to the fish. Okay, Oh, shark Boy's got
him in the net.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Oh it's Curryman.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Oh I saw the Oh okay, I'm sorry. I thought
that was a fin on his head. Okay, So that's
Christopher Daniels. Oh yeah, now I see his eyes Okay, good,
and yeah he's he's uh oh he's dancing. Look at that. Yeah,
Curry Man, I don't remember this gimmick dropping.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
To the fish.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I would die gross, gross, gross gross.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
That is disgusting. Far as far away could be away
from I don't think.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
You imagine you're so excited for a pay per view.
You're a big t NA fan, you can't wait to
see the Dudley's Right. You buy a ticket, you're in
the front row, you think you got good seats, and
then they put a box of fish next to you,
and you gotta smell it for like twenty minutes. You
gotta which would linger probably for the next two hours
because it stinks.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I mean, you know, it sounds like it sounds like
some of my earlier dates up.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
But enough to have to travel Lodge. I want to
get back.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
To something that you said. You were saying that like
the Vets looked at us as like the Blood and
Guts company and too much and blah blah blah. I
remember we did a house show one night and we
it was like a mixed tag. We did right, and
we were doing all these like cool spots and this
and that, and I mean we probably had like maybe
(24:45):
five hundred two one thousand people in the building.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
It was the house show.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Terry Taylor was there just visiting, and we come through
the curtain and he stops us and he looks at
all of us and he says, watch a work so hard.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I'll never forget this.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
It blew my mind. And I said, excuse me, and
he goes, why'd you just work so hard out there?
It's a house show. I couldn't wrap my head around
that reasoning, and I said, point blank, I said, well,
you know, I said, if we drew five hundred tonight,
maybe they'll tell a friend and maybe next time we come,
we'll have a thousand people. Because we work hard. That's
(25:26):
what we do here. And he goes, well, he goes,
when we do the loop, we just do the same
match in every city and it's easy, and we save
our energy for TV. See now you're laughing. I you know,
And I wasn't a VET at this time. I'm still
kind of greed, so I didn't want to argue with
the guy, but I'm thinking, that kind of mentality is shit.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Why would you do that way.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
We did something.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I didn't learn about that in terms of doing stuff
like that until I got the WWE right from the
eighties were still there late eighties, that is, and you know,
they had a lot of them had the same mentality
because it was the old.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
School way of thinking.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So the new school way of thinking like you were
describing how you felt about.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
It hadn't really registered yet.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
It was just that, you know, let's get out, let's
get through this match and get to the next town
and you know, get the TV with no injuries.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
And that's just the way it was.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah. But as as a couple, you know, some time
went on, you know some of the vets. You know,
we would do somewhat similar the same match, but we
would change a little bit up right, you know, to
make it a little bit different because you never know
who drove, you know, three four hundred miles to the
next town, and you know you don't want them predicting
(26:48):
what we had already done in the town the night before.
So you know, it was always we changed it up
a little bit, not too much, just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
But that's and that's fine because we we we would
do like the same thing. We'd changed some spots here
and there. But to say, why did you work so hard?
To me, that's the first thing that came out of
his mouth when we came in the back. Why'd you
work so hard out there? And I don't thinking to myself,
why wouldn't we work hard? Like they bought a ticket
(27:17):
just like you would buy a ticket if it was
a pay per viewer or a TV taping.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I don't know if Terry Taylor would actually agree with
that method now, being that he is one of the.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Producers and n XT.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And I say that because you know, you got to
teach these kids we have to work work hard for
what they do, not just to get the TV. So
I'm sure Terry Taylor is being a producer on a
live events and this and that, I don't think he
has that same mentality anymore, even though he's not wrestling.
But again, I understand what he meant by that because
(27:53):
that was the way they did things back then.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Didn't make it necessarily make it right, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I'm sorry, necessarily make it wrong, but didn't necessarily make
it right either. But that was just the way they
were able to save their bodies, you know, because remember
back then, being on the road for fifty days straight
or forty to fifty days.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Straight was normal.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yes, So they were home maybe three to four days,
maybe a week if they were lucky.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
So you know, they were.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Constantly traveling in out of cars, some airplanes and things
like that, so they were really trying to conserve their body. Yeah,
not really, but I definitely understand both ways. But I
understand Terry's logic and thinking of it, and I definitely
understand your way of lodge and thinking of.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
It because that's what we did fifty five years ago
when we were just starting out.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Sixty.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
We've been here for seven years since.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
McMahon. Any comments, Oh man, did you hear about what's
going on?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I heard. I'm still shocked at a lot of stuff
that I've read and heard.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
But you know.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Scene, I mean think I never saw it.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
No, even though it was a producer, I've never seen
any foul play or anything like that. I wasn't the
ones that if foul play was going on or would
have been done in front of.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Me, you know, I was.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I wasn't part of the system in any way, shape
or form, if anything like that was going on, never
leg allegedly.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
We don't know if it's true.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Oh No, I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
We're just do you think he's guilty?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Again, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I don't know. Hot seat, get it out of every guest.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I try to pull it. It's not there, it's not there.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It's fine.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Look. Sometimes we could sit here and say.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
All day long that a person didn't do something swooping down.
Then all of a sudden, some huge evidence or something
happened where that person is found guilty without a shadow
of a doubt. And they were like, wait a minute,
we would have never believed it in a million years,
you know, And you know what happened. And there's some
people that are, you know, presume guilty, and yet the
(30:05):
evidence show that they weren't guilty. So you know, you
gotta let it play out in court and see what
the judge thinks.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
And I'm sure he's gonna be judged.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
By you know, a good jury of his peers, and
and you know whatever, I think it's holding off in Connecticut.
You know, let them decide what they're going to do
with it and go from there. I mean, well know,
well know eventually whether it was true or not, and
even whether the verdict is guilty or not guilty. You know,
(30:36):
you know, if he was found innocent, you know, there'd
be a lot of people saying, I know he was guilty,
he was guilty and this and that it's still bad.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
And he was found guilty. I knew it. I know,
you just never know.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Very pc answer, It's fine much yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Do you like it?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I'm not I'm not used to it. I'm used to
pan Shad Vents. I've never seen him with a mustache
or beard or go to or anything. And when we
first saw it, they kind of threw a lot of
this off and we I think, uh, one of the
other producers in the when I was working with WW
(31:13):
we were in the outside of the meeting and they
were showing me. I was like, what the hell, I said,
who is that? And they were like, I was like, what.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
A fucking mustache?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Travel out story? Do you have one?
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I got several.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I know you have several.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Do you have one that you can share that's funny
off the top of your head. You don't have the
name names.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
You can call them Larry Melan, Curly.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
If you want not to put anybody in an awkward spot,
I gotta have one that you could.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Tell oh man, because I got besides me getting so drunk,
you know here it is. You know, I was, you know,
a small kid from book.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
They never really did anything.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Never a small kid from Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Small kid from Brooklyn. I wasn't big.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I don't put Devon Dudley and small in the same category.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
But okay, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I didn't start gaining wait until really after my fourth
or fifth year in the wrestling and then when I
got to E c W, because that's when I started taking,
you know, taking training seriously. I should have took it
seriously back when I was starting, but I didn't. I
was just trying to learn how to wrestle.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Right right, So tell me the story.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
You got so drunk. Where were we were?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
We somewhere we were We had the travel arget and
we went that bar downstairs and I just remember not
ever going out drinking like that ever. And I had
to get carried out.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Of the bar up to my room. At least I
thought it was my room.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Somebody put me somebody else in the room, so I
passed out. I wake up and this guy goes, hey, Devon,
I go, what the fuck? I go, yeah, who the
hell are you?
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Why are you in my room?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
He goes, div you're in my room. I was like,
who the hell?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
That was a rib?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I was like, you've been sitting here watching me sleep.
He goes, I didn't want to wake you.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, who brought you up there?
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Did you ever find ay all?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
No, I don't got passed up.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I wonder because it's funny because we were talking about
this at dinner in Florida and Devon was like, man,
he goes, when I came to ECW the first time,
he goes, I was scared, he goes, I didn't do
any of the stuff y'all were doing. I go, I
didn't do it either, And I still didn't do it
when I Yeah, we drank, but we weren't part of
(33:43):
the drug crowd like our party and was going to
the bar and having a couple of cocktails and stuff.
But we you know, we weren't there smorting cocaine or
doing lines off the stripper.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
I mean, I wasn't anyway.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I don't know. I didn't know anything about bills, nothing, right,
I knew nothing about that.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, and he was so cute.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
He's like, oh my god, he goes.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I looked around and I was just so scared, and
I was like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
But after a while, it just becomes like the norm.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
And you know, we were all friends, but everybody had
the clicks that they hung out with. If you didn't
do drugs, you didn't hang out with the drug people.
But we once we were in the locker room. We
all hung out together.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I mean it was great. So it was really cool,
like Transtance, you know. A guy, some kid came over
and looked at Sam and and said, is he all right?
And I was like, but I said, no, he's just drunk.
He's probably sleeping. The guy goes he's on next. I said,
I don't worry about it. As soon as his music
hit somebody that's happened, he'll get right up.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
You know what's great? Yeah, And that's what's great about it.
Do you remember the night that Tammy started the fight
with the Mummers. You had to have been there, you
had to have been in it. She went outside in
the back in the parking lot, you know, out the
back door.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Remember the Mummers.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Were on top of where we were on top of
the arena, and she said something to one of the mummers,
and I think one of the mummers called her a
slut or something, and she caused a riot that night.
And I swear you and Bubba were there and everybody
ran out the door and started fighting the mummers.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
No, I don't think I was there.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I swear you were there.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
If he gave me a year because remember we left,
we left.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I don't know what the year was. I swear you
were in there.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Knew Jack was was.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Like shanking people probably like it was a mess. But
there were three people who didn't go outside me Shane
Douglas and Hack Sandman and Sandman Status he was doing
lines of coke. Well, everybody was fighting, and man Shane
were looking out the window watching the fight. But everybody
(35:50):
because Tammy started this fight, and I sware you were
in it.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yes, Sere, you guys were in it. I don't think
we were there for that one.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Okay, I'm gonna have to ask public if he remembers that,
because I vividly do and the whole locker room poured
out and just everybody was fighting in the parking lot.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I don't remember ever having getting into a fight, and
at the ECW Arena, I don't. I mean other places
I remember getting into fights like Staten Island or you know,
Lost Battalion Hall in Queens, but I don't remember getting
a fight at the e c W Arena with fans.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
The fight the fights that you got in, was it
because of the promos that you and and Bubba, you know,
dictated because some of those were really.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, the one in Staten Island was really raunchy and bad,
and if you could believe it, it even beat the
heat Waved ninety nine one, and you know the one
that we're most famous for. And somebody took a swipe
of Big Dick Dudley.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Why they do that?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
He jumped the railing and went after the guy. And
next thing you know, me and Bubba goes, defont we
gotta go.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
We got of go.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I was like, ship and I'm gonna I jumped the
rail and I went out to go. People are jumping
on us, swinging on us. So Bubba goes, Stevah, he
goes assume the position. I was like, here we go.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
We turned to the ball, We talked back to the
back boom.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
It was like a browroom fight with freaking Patrick Swayze
and Roadhouse all the people that.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
It was freaking phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
And then all of a sudden, the riot cops came
with the dogs and I was like, all right, stop
this ship, go back in the ring.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
The riot cops came with the dogs, and the locker
room fled because how many people had shipped on crazy?
Do you want to plug your socials or any appearances
that you have coming up.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, I'll be in Ohio and god.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Lockwood Chip, I'm there to this weekend, but this airs
after this weekend.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Are you there Saturday?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, I'm there too.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I'll see you.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Coffee.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Too, yep. About being chilicopy ohiographs and doing all of
that good stuff. And I'll also be at the big
event in Long Island me too, coming up.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Yep. I'll be there for that one, uh.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
So and then the big one Wrestle Con weekend.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Yess on weekend, I'll be there for that one.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
And icons and and Battleground at the area double duty.
I get to see Devon.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
I'm so excited. I'll see you so many times.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Absolutely, this is awesome.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
I'm happy. Well, I appreciate you coming, Devonso.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Two timer now two.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
We were aiming for the five time Club.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I have guess this is your got you.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
No, you're not a two timer, Taylor down, He's not
a uh no like I think Shane Douglas. Shane I
think is the first one to be in the five
time Club. On Saturday Night Live, did you ever see
it with Steve Martin. He's like, I'm a five timer.
They do that, they have a VIP layout. Oh yeah, yeah,
so you're a two timer, so you have to come
on three more times to be in my club.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
I'll be good to go. Yeah, ready to go whenever
you want.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I love you, buddy.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Well, thank you for coming on again. I was so
happy to see you a couple of months ago. We'll
do it again when we can. But we'll let's hang
you out this weekend.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Coming up. I'm sorry, we'll hang you out this weekend.
Oh yeah, absolutely sweet. I just gotta get me a
nice steak and I'll be good to go.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yeah, maybe we can do dinner. Are you on the
night show too, because I'm not.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I'm just signing.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
We're not in chilli coffee?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Oh you have a you have a you're driving somewhere else.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
No, no about chilli coffee.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah, chilli coffee.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Oh there's a night show.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
There's a night show.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
They put me on the poster and they were like, oh,
she's doing the night show. I go, I am not
no way, And then I think they thought because I
was there, I would just graciously just do it for free.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
I was like, no, I don't know, that's not happening.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
So after I sign them off, so maybe we can
do dinner or something.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah, let's do it. Let's get all right, I'll see
you there.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
You gotta have my agent.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yours is always.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Looking for you though. All right, everybody go follow him,
go go buy his Yes, there you go, all right, buddy,
I'll talk to you too.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
A guy.
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
Of the interview. Oh yeah, I was said, sing, sayan uh,
send me another link because it didn't seem like the
one that was on was working.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh well it's working. I'm sorry I was in. I
was in a deep conversation, all right. So getting back
to that.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
So, yeah, your.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Daughters, your your daughters are beautiful. They took a liking
to me. They were holding my hand, giving me hogs.
I love that stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I love children.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
But your son, m oh, my god. So this baby
I'm not naming names because I don't you know, I
don't know what you want out there in the world,
but this being okay, oh so dj oh my god,
this baby six weeks old at the time, this little
tiny creature. I have been longing to hold a child.
(01:24):
I haven't held a baby in years. It's been years
because no one I know has children like tiny babies.
So the first thing when they get out of the van,
I'm like, am I allout to hold him?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Can I?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I ended up? Didn't. I ended up holding that baby
for like the whole time you guys were there.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
This kid has the strongest neck that I've ever witnessed
in his head was constantly back.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Just staring at me. Is this lady, This is not
my mother?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
But it was so nice because you know, I've seen
you at conventions and stuff, but it was just so
nice being able to just sit there and like break
bread and just shoot the ship and not worry about working.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I mean, yeah, it's always to me. It's always a
pleasure to do something like that when you are with friends,
especially from the past and people that you created history with,
just to sit relax, talk about some of the old stories,
but then talk about some news stories that we might
not know of or remember and or that we should
(02:27):
say that we created.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
So it's always good for that. I love I love
doing things like that.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, it was a lot of fun and I was
I was glad we made it happen, and hopefully next
year if we if we.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Come back, we'll do it again.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah. But I talked about your daughters.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Now some people may not know this, most do, but
your sons, your twins, are actually doing things in the business. Now,
do you want to talk about them a little bit?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah? So Talenton Twell, they did a couple of things
in a w uh. They were in a huge storyline
with Pope and myself and TNA. So they've been they've
been around for a while. Yeah, you know, doing their thing.
But yeah, I mean I get asked about them more
(03:16):
than when people come to see me at the autograph
signing your sons. You, oh, your sons were here, Your
sons were there, Your sons are over they're over there.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Listen. I'm not. I was nowhere near as over as
my boys.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
That was a great storyline, it was. It was intense
at some points. You know, they were they were a
big part of the show.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, they were. I mean they were only they were
the only high school kids at the time that I
knew that was on pay per view and making money.
So that's about absolutely.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So let's talk.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Let's talk. Let's put you over and let's talk about you.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Who cares about your kids? I don't care about them.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
I want to talk about you.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
How are you feeling People might not know you had
surgery about a year ago.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yeah, I had back surgery.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
They fused there four or five and then that's one
I sometimes, you know, I was just talking to DDP
because I've been I've been having like little chronic pains
in the lower back, and that comes with surgery, so
there's nothing abnormal.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
You know, when the weather is cold, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
The body hurt. The back hurts. When it rains, you know,
the back hurts. So it's stuff like that, And it
kind of made me walk a little funny sometimes, like
with like a little bit of a limp, just because
there's no cushion in between in your spine and in
the vertebrates. This cushion so when you walk and you
(04:41):
come down, you have that cushion as opposed to boom
like you know, born on bone. So sometimes it happens
if I don't stretch or take the time to really
you know, move the lower limbs where I should, you know,
that limp will come on. I'm man, I forgot the stretch.
(05:02):
I got to get back on the floor and stretch. Well,
I mean, it just comes with the territory. Other than that,
I'm fine, No, no big deals.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
We didn't stretch before he came to see me, because
he was walking in front of me the elevator and
I was like, hey, old man, yellow limping on. But
then I was limping right behind him, so it's okay.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Dinner.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
We were talking about all our ailments.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, I wish I would have saw DDP first, be
far had the surgery would be different.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's you know, I've seen testimonies from other people that
DDP has helped.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
There was just a new testimony by Butterbean where he
could Billy he couldn't even walk, and now he's walking
straight up talking about having another boxing match.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
There's another guy that I first heard about.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
He used to jump out the airplanes and basically had
the two not walking but the two crutches that hooks
onto his forearms, and he was walking like that. He
could barely move. And now he's running marathons and everything.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And I was like, man, if I would have went
to see him first, it could have maybe worked.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
May not you know, maybe oh.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
You wouldn't have got the surgery. You're saying I wouldn't know.
I don't know if I would have. I'm not saying
I wouldn't have gotten it. I would have tried the
DDP yoga first and his methods on how he's helped
people before I went and got it.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Because I did. I tried everything possible before I had the.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Surgery to alleviate the pain and all of that, and
nothing seemed to work.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
So the only thing that was left was back surgery.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Well, you know they, I mean, look at the job
that we had for the longest time. And the people
always say like, oh, well, if you go to wrestling school,
they teach you how to bump correctly, and it's like,
it doesn't matter if you bump correctly or don't bump correctly.
Your body is going through trauma every single time. It's
not normal to take a excuse me, to take a
(07:07):
back bump or to you know, fly off the top road.
That is not normal. And every little movie you make
is trauma.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, God never intended your body to do things like that.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
No man did.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Pro you know, we had to take each other down
and show who was strong strong like bullk and next thing,
you know, pro wrestling was from.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
It's just it. You know, everybody, well, if you trained.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You should be okay, and it's just like, dude.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
No, you're not okay. You can take one bump your.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Whole life and you don't have to be a wrestler.
You can trip down the stairs and screw your whole
body up for the rest of your life. So continuing
to you know, bump every night like you guys did,
You're gonna come across some health issues.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You know, sometimes I look, I go, God, look at
Jeff harn you know, look at Jeff Hardy, look at
r v D. Some of the things that they've done,
they didn't need back. So what the hell am I
doing wrong?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
They're still going?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Which is still going?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I heard a little birdie, not so little big birdie
by the name of Bubba Ray Dudley, and he was saying,
you know, maybe you guys are gonna do another loop
around the world or something as a tag team.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Yeah, we talked about it.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Of course, you know that we're gonna give give you
the greatest hits. You know, we don't have to do
anything to try to reinvent the wheel or anything like
that where you know, we go back. We're gonna just
give the fans exactly what they like and what they missed.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
So we're gonna hit the greatest hits.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
It's got like Kiss, the rock group Kiss, you know
when they when they were they had to make up
on and doing all the old songs, rock and roll
all night, you know, all of those good hits. People
loved them. The minute they took that makeup off, it
was over. This was over, and you know, and then
they started coming up with new songs, and some of
them were good, but they weren't. They weren't the classics.
(09:16):
They weren't what Kiss was known for. The minute Kiss
put the makeup on and went back on tour and
started doing those you know, those classics, it was like
it was like a resurge in the arm for Kiss,
you know, and they just started all over again. So
now that's what me and Bubba was saying. You know,
we don't have to go out there and try to,
(09:36):
you know, reinvent the wheel on tag team wrestling or
try to have five star matches.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Let's just go out there and have fun and hit
the greatest hits.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Nostalgia. Nostalgia, that's what people want.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, and you could give it to them.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Can we see the what's up?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well, maybe we'll do the what's up? When Bubba's up
on that top rope doing so reverse it.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, you're just holding legs open.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Just holding them.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Hey, that's a good position to be in for a man.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Hold the woman's legs open. Or guy, if you're into that,
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah three D maybe, oh yeah, definitely three D, which
I told him the other day.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I would have taken that from you. Guys, no problem.
It never happened.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, no, never happened.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
You got away.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You were protected, they got away. You were protected by
three of the toughest men in Shane Douglas, Bam Bam
Bigelow and Chris Candido.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
So the Dudleys couldn't touch it at that point.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
But I also feel like if you came into the
company earlier than you did, you would have been feuding
with the Pippoles and I would have taken that from you.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, I mean again, that would have been the Dudleys.
We did actually work together. My first match, I think
you c w Arena. It was me and Bubba versus
the pit Bulls. Was with them. Yep, you were with them,
and you beat the hell out of uh dancing with
(11:13):
You had these seven inch I'm gonna say they were
seven inches lets and we're standing on freaking uh dancing
with Dudley's freaking going back and forth, up and down,
trying to keep them down because you were trying to
beat them up. I remember looking at that, I go,
this is not wrestling. I go, what the hell am
(11:35):
I doing here?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Hey, that's what I was told to do, you know?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Oh yeah, I know, and I remember you you basically
I see I turned around and see that, and then
I start going after you, like walking towards you. It
was like Jason going after the girl that he wants
to kill something that slow, you know, to the girl.
And we were doing that around the ring until I
believe then he jumped down.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
And hit me in the back of the head.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And then that was the night that you got a bomb?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
So later we did the four Corners match, I suppose yep.
So it's funny because we didn't work together too much.
But there's one match and when I had Bubba on
I and I wish I could we could pull it
up to show you it because it's hilarious. I don't
know if I didn't have anybody to work with that evening,
but Paul made me come out when the Dudleys were
(12:32):
in the ring. It was I think, I guess it
was a house show. It was never for TV. And
I they make me come out in this big jacket, right,
and I, you know, I've addressed someone underneath it or whatever,
and I try to entice you and I take the
jacket off and you do the wah wuza with the eyes.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
It was.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
It was such gaga.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
It was ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I end up beating up all of you, and then
Spike comes in out and does like some kind of
death like the death drop or something.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
The acid drop.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
But I gave like I gave Bubba.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Ddp's diamond cutter, I did something to you. I gave
Lou a regular deity too. I mean, it was ridiculous.
I beat up your whole clan.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Oh point yea by Francine and then later the podcast,
well we were all in life.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Come on, when I look back and I say to myself,
my god, here I am one hundred and seventeen pounds,
soaking wet. I got all these big men around me,
and I'm beating the shit out of everybody.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
It is so not believable.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
But it was just like a little haha aga spot
to fill.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah. The great thing about stuff like that is when
you look back at it. Yes, realistically, a woman your
side should not have been able to take out three
guys outside. But back then CW did things like that,
and even though it didn't make sense when you look
at it, it was very entertaining. It was how we
did it right and how we pulled it off. We
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got the reaction, as opposed to some people that do
things that don't make sense and then there's no reaction.
We put a lot of entertainment and stuff like that
to even though people knew that it could never happen,
maybe it's a possibility it can because ECW is telling.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
That story and that was just what we did.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
When you look at some of the matches that we did,
oh my god, I cringe.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
What's the worst match that you had to do that
You look back and you say to myself, good lord,
this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
E c W. Yeah. I mean, I'm not gonna say
I mean, we had great matches, but and I'll get
to that question. What I was saying was it was
like we're sitting up there and when you look at
some of the things that we're doing, stuff in front
of the referee. You know, the referee is watching and
it's not being a DQ were outside for like five
minutes from the outside of the ring, you know, and
(15:02):
it's like, what the hell will we think it. But
because we made it so entertaining and because we captivated
an audience the way we did, people suspended that and
just didn't even think about the rules or what didn't
make sense. We made them believe it at that point because.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
The other people were following the rules. The other companies
were cookie cutter following the rules, and we took it
outside the box and did things differently.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That's why we were That's why we were the Nevada
Nevada Vana Nevana. We were the Nevana of pro wrestling.
There's no different than Nirvana. Navana came when you know,
you have Martley Crue, Metallica, you know, all these hair
bands that are just killing it in the eighties, and
it didn't seem like anybody was gonna take them down.
(15:49):
Then Navana came in and just kicked down the door
and said, Nope, we're breaking the rules. We're gonna be sad,
pissed off. We're gonna tell you how we feel. I mean,
because you know, when you when you look at that
type of music and you're like, oh my god, I
just I want to murder myself. I'm so sad, you know,
and it's like Oh my god. It's that Seattle feel
that they you know, that you always hear about. But
(16:10):
you know, it was one of those things where when
Nevana did that, it just opened up a whole new
door for music. And it was what we did in ECW.
We kicked the door down and did the opposite of
what should have been done right. But when we did it,
we did it good.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
And did it very entertaining and fun.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yep, So I forgot what the other question was.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
When you look back at your career, it doesn't even
have to be in ECW, just matches that you've been
a part of you you were saying, like, you look
back sometimes and you say, oh my god, so cringe.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I cringe when I think.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Of that worst, the worst thing, or the worst angle
that you've been a part of. That you look back
in your because there's things that I've done or closed
that I've warned that I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I'm like, what was I thinking? Like where did this
come from? Like this was such a bad choice.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Anything that you've ever done that you look back and
you're just like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, TNA, TNA Match pay per View, the fish Market,
Street Fight, fish Market, Yeah, Yeah, they had fish line,
they had fish on ice and nothing to that. This
has nothing to do with Curryman, who was Christopher Daniels
(17:27):
and shock Boy. Loved those guys, love working with them.
But I hated this. I don't like fish. I don't
eat fish. I hate the smell of fish. And it's
real fish on ice, like like you had a fish market,
and of course you know people picking fish up and
throwing it and hitting people with it. I remember looking
at curry Man. I said, listen, do not hit me.
(17:49):
Would a guy with fish? I said, you do, it
becomes real.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Do not hit me. Do not hit me at all
with a.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Gimmick, Like, what's the point it was?
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Vince russo Enough said, I.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Have never like.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Does that make sense.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
To go to?
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Well, it wasn't it. You had it was a regular match.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, go outside and take the fish and hit each
other as a weapon. Now that was where the rules were, Like,
oh it was It's like a street fight. There are
no rules in a street fight. You can have a
regular match, but you can use weapons.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I would throw up, I threw out my wrestling gear.
Oh it was that bad.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
What if somebody just picked up a fish and just
smacked you across the face.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Well, Curry and Curry man Daniels a great but shock
boy forgot that. I said that to him, got caught
up in a moment and he took the fish hit me.
As soon as he hit me, I went, potato, goddamn fish.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Oh my god, I'm gonna have to look that match
up because I had never I've never even heard.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Of that one.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It was good. I hated that match to this day.
I said it was the worst match because again, I
never liked it. And I remember telling I remember saying
something to Russo. I said, do we have to do
this match?
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Oh, bro, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Bro, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
I'm telling you people gonna love it. Bro, It's gonna
be great. And I'm like, you feel a ship.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
He goes, no, Bubbas, he goes Bubbas, He goes Bubba's uh,
Bubba's cool with it.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I looked at Bubba, he goes.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Bubba's face.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I'm just like, Russo, you're lying. I was like, this
is a god awful match.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
This How how many like big fish were there?
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Like?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Did they have boxes of fish around the ring?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Is that no, you ever go you ever go to
Chinatown or market. It was a fish market, you know,
like the little trade. The big trays that they had
they filled up with ice and then they put the
fish on top.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Okay, so it was just like one one.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
They had like a whole line of it. They had, yeah,
and they had fish and all that on there. It was.
It was bad.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
The smell was horrible.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
The fans, like, I mean, did not.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Stars ships Nelson. He's never given me five stars, and
any of the matches he gives me negative stars. Not
even in the freaking TLC match. I think we got
like two.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Oh my god, that's terrible.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
But while people still talk about those matches today thirty
something years awesome still. But so, I mean, I don't
know what his problem was, but you know, hey, it
is what it is, yea his own what well, you know,
you two guys may see a wrestling match and love
it and I may hate it, but that doesn't mean
that I'm gonna, you know, out of one to ten stars,
(20:53):
I'm gonna go, okay, get to two. It may get
a two for me, but not not not everybody else
should know take it as you know, you know, everybody
else don't look at as the two match.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, I feel like back then e c W never
got like not that it means anything but the rating
system from him, but I feel like none of our
guys got a lot of stars for them.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Well, I know a lot of our guys didn't like him.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It was pissed off at him. But I also know
that you're right, none of us got any of those.
I will remember a lot of people thought e c
W was barbaric, right, They didn't like ECW, even some
of the veterans in w c W or WWE. I'm
gonna say that w W F Yeah, you know basically
(21:45):
did not know or understand what we were doing.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
And they would say, and a lot of them would
say what.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
We were doing was garbage and this and that, until
the fans started catching on and watching and then showing
their love and support, and you could go to an
arena that wasn't an ECW show, but it was like
a w CW or WWE show where the fans would
hijack the show and start channel e CW. Right, you know,
(22:14):
it was then that people's eyes scided to wake up.
So you know, now some might not have believed in
what we were doing.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
But that's fine. But again, what is it thirty forty years?
Speaker 6 (22:24):
I'll go east thirty thirty forty I feel like it
makes me feel too.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah, it's not quite close to it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
But people still talk about it, you know. It's it's
one of those things where it's unbelievable. Yeah, oh my,
can we.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Just can I just take this in right now? We're
so the fish. We're for those listening, Uh, we're watching
the fish Market street Fight right now from two thousand
and eight TNA destination x So, Buba's going for a
fish for shark boys.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Sharp.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
He's going for a net to let y'all know. Oh,
Boba's moving to the fish. Okay, Oh, shark Boy's got
him in the net.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Oh it's Curryman.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Oh I saw the Oh okay, I'm sorry. I thought
that was a fin on his head. Okay, So that's
Christopher Daniels. Oh yeah, now I see his eyes Okay, good,
and yeah he's he's uh oh he's dancing. Look at that. Yeah,
Curry Man, I don't remember this gimmick dropping.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
To the fish.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I would die gross, gross, gross gross.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
That is disgusting. Far as far away could be away
from I don't think.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
You imagine you're so excited for a pay per view.
You're a big t NA fan, you can't wait to
see the Dudley's Right. You buy a ticket, you're in
the front row, you think you got good seats, and
then they put a box of fish next to you,
and you gotta smell it for like twenty minutes. You
gotta which would linger probably for the next two hours
because it stinks.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I mean, you know, it sounds like it sounds like
some of my earlier dates up.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
But enough to have to travel Lodge. I want to
get back.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
To something that you said. You were saying that like
the Vets looked at us as like the Blood and
Guts company and too much and blah blah blah. I
remember we did a house show one night and we
it was like a mixed tag. We did right, and
we were doing all these like cool spots and this
and that, and I mean we probably had like maybe
(24:45):
five hundred two one thousand people in the building.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
It was the house show.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Terry Taylor was there just visiting, and we come through
the curtain and he stops us and he looks at
all of us and he says, watch a work so hard.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I'll never forget this.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
It blew my mind. And I said, excuse me, and
he goes, why'd you just work so hard out there?
It's a house show. I couldn't wrap my head around
that reasoning, and I said, point blank, I said, well,
you know, I said, if we drew five hundred tonight,
maybe they'll tell a friend and maybe next time we come,
we'll have a thousand people. Because we work hard. That's
(25:26):
what we do here. And he goes, well, he goes,
when we do the loop, we just do the same
match in every city and it's easy, and we save
our energy for TV. See now you're laughing. I you know,
And I wasn't a VET at this time. I'm still
kind of greed, so I didn't want to argue with
the guy, but I'm thinking, that kind of mentality is shit.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Why would you do that way.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
We did something.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I didn't learn about that in terms of doing stuff
like that until I got the WWE right from the
eighties were still there late eighties, that is, and you know,
they had a lot of them had the same mentality
because it was the old.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
School way of thinking.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So the new school way of thinking like you were
describing how you felt about.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
It hadn't really registered yet.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
It was just that, you know, let's get out, let's
get through this match and get to the next town
and you know, get the TV with no injuries.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
And that's just the way it was.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah. But as as a couple, you know, some time
went on, you know some of the vets. You know,
we would do somewhat similar the same match, but we
would change a little bit up right, you know, to
make it a little bit different because you never know
who drove, you know, three four hundred miles to the
next town, and you know you don't want them predicting
(26:48):
what we had already done in the town the night before.
So you know, it was always we changed it up
a little bit, not too much, just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
But that's and that's fine because we we we would
do like the same thing. We'd changed some spots here
and there. But to say, why did you work so hard?
To me, that's the first thing that came out of
his mouth when we came in the back. Why'd you
work so hard out there? And I don't thinking to myself,
why wouldn't we work hard? Like they bought a ticket
(27:17):
just like you would buy a ticket if it was
a pay per viewer or a TV taping.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I don't know if Terry Taylor would actually agree with
that method now, being that he is one of the.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Producers and n XT.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And I say that because you know, you got to
teach these kids we have to work work hard for
what they do, not just to get the TV. So
I'm sure Terry Taylor is being a producer on a
live events and this and that, I don't think he
has that same mentality anymore, even though he's not wrestling.
But again, I understand what he meant by that because
(27:53):
that was the way they did things back then.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Didn't make it necessarily make it right, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I'm sorry, necessarily make it wrong, but didn't necessarily make
it right either. But that was just the way they
were able to save their bodies, you know, because remember
back then, being on the road for fifty days straight
or forty to fifty days.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Straight was normal.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yes, So they were home maybe three to four days,
maybe a week if they were lucky.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
So you know, they were.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Constantly traveling in out of cars, some airplanes and things
like that, so they were really trying to conserve their body. Yeah,
not really, but I definitely understand both ways. But I
understand Terry's logic and thinking of it, and I definitely
understand your way of lodge and thinking of.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
It because that's what we did fifty five years ago
when we were just starting out.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Sixty.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
We've been here for seven years since.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
McMahon. Any comments, Oh man, did you hear about what's
going on?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I heard. I'm still shocked at a lot of stuff
that I've read and heard.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
But you know.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Scene, I mean think I never saw it.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
No, even though it was a producer, I've never seen
any foul play or anything like that. I wasn't the
ones that if foul play was going on or would
have been done in front of.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Me, you know, I was.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I wasn't part of the system in any way, shape
or form, if anything like that was going on, never
leg allegedly.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
We don't know if it's true.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Oh No, I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
We're just do you think he's guilty?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Again, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I don't know. Hot seat, get it out of every guest.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I try to pull it. It's not there, it's not there.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It's fine.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Look. Sometimes we could sit here and say.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
All day long that a person didn't do something swooping down.
Then all of a sudden, some huge evidence or something
happened where that person is found guilty without a shadow
of a doubt. And they were like, wait a minute,
we would have never believed it in a million years,
you know, And you know what happened. And there's some
people that are, you know, presume guilty, and yet the
(30:05):
evidence show that they weren't guilty. So you know, you
gotta let it play out in court and see what
the judge thinks.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
And I'm sure he's gonna be judged.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
By you know, a good jury of his peers, and
and you know whatever, I think it's holding off in Connecticut.
You know, let them decide what they're going to do
with it and go from there. I mean, well know,
well know eventually whether it was true or not, and
even whether the verdict is guilty or not guilty. You know,
(30:36):
you know, if he was found innocent, you know, there'd
be a lot of people saying, I know he was guilty,
he was guilty and this and that it's still bad.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
And he was found guilty. I knew it. I know,
you just never know.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Very pc answer, It's fine much yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Do you like it?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I'm not I'm not used to it. I'm used to
pan Shad Vents. I've never seen him with a mustache
or beard or go to or anything. And when we
first saw it, they kind of threw a lot of
this off and we I think, uh, one of the
other producers in the when I was working with WW
(31:13):
we were in the outside of the meeting and they
were showing me. I was like, what the hell, I said,
who is that? And they were like, I was like, what.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
A fucking mustache?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Travel out story? Do you have one?
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I got several.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I know you have several.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Do you have one that you can share that's funny
off the top of your head. You don't have the
name names.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
You can call them Larry Melan, Curly.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
If you want not to put anybody in an awkward spot,
I gotta have one that you could.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Tell oh man, because I got besides me getting so drunk,
you know here it is. You know, I was, you know,
a small kid from book.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
They never really did anything.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Never a small kid from Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Small kid from Brooklyn. I wasn't big.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I don't put Devon Dudley and small in the same category.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
But okay, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I didn't start gaining wait until really after my fourth
or fifth year in the wrestling and then when I
got to E c W, because that's when I started taking,
you know, taking training seriously. I should have took it
seriously back when I was starting, but I didn't. I
was just trying to learn how to wrestle.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Right right, So tell me the story.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
You got so drunk. Where were we were?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
We somewhere we were We had the travel arget and
we went that bar downstairs and I just remember not
ever going out drinking like that ever. And I had
to get carried out.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Of the bar up to my room. At least I
thought it was my room.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Somebody put me somebody else in the room, so I
passed out. I wake up and this guy goes, hey, Devon,
I go, what the fuck? I go, yeah, who the
hell are you?
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Why are you in my room?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
He goes, div you're in my room. I was like,
who the hell?
Speaker 4 (33:10):
That was a rib?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I was like, you've been sitting here watching me sleep.
He goes, I didn't want to wake you.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, who brought you up there?
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Did you ever find ay all?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
No, I don't got passed up.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I wonder because it's funny because we were talking about
this at dinner in Florida and Devon was like, man,
he goes, when I came to ECW the first time,
he goes, I was scared, he goes, I didn't do
any of the stuff y'all were doing. I go, I
didn't do it either, And I still didn't do it
when I Yeah, we drank, but we weren't part of
(33:43):
the drug crowd like our party and was going to
the bar and having a couple of cocktails and stuff.
But we you know, we weren't there smorting cocaine or
doing lines off the stripper.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
I mean, I wasn't anyway.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I don't know. I didn't know anything about bills, nothing, right,
I knew nothing about that.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, and he was so cute.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
He's like, oh my god, he goes.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I looked around and I was just so scared, and
I was like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
But after a while, it just becomes like the norm.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
And you know, we were all friends, but everybody had
the clicks that they hung out with. If you didn't
do drugs, you didn't hang out with the drug people.
But we once we were in the locker room. We
all hung out together.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I mean it was great. So it was really cool,
like Transtance, you know. A guy, some kid came over
and looked at Sam and and said, is he all right?
And I was like, but I said, no, he's just drunk.
He's probably sleeping. The guy goes he's on next. I said,
I don't worry about it. As soon as his music
hit somebody that's happened, he'll get right up.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
You know what's great? Yeah, And that's what's great about it.
Do you remember the night that Tammy started the fight
with the Mummers. You had to have been there, you
had to have been in it. She went outside in
the back in the parking lot, you know, out the
back door.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Remember the Mummers.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Were on top of where we were on top of
the arena, and she said something to one of the mummers,
and I think one of the mummers called her a
slut or something, and she caused a riot that night.
And I swear you and Bubba were there and everybody
ran out the door and started fighting the mummers.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
No, I don't think I was there.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I swear you were there.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
If he gave me a year because remember we left,
we left.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I don't know what the year was. I swear you
were in there.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Knew Jack was was.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Like shanking people probably like it was a mess. But
there were three people who didn't go outside me Shane
Douglas and Hack Sandman and Sandman Status he was doing
lines of coke. Well, everybody was fighting, and man Shane
were looking out the window watching the fight. But everybody
(35:50):
because Tammy started this fight, and I sware you were
in it.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yes, Sere, you guys were in it. I don't think
we were there for that one.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Okay, I'm gonna have to ask public if he remembers that,
because I vividly do and the whole locker room poured
out and just everybody was fighting in the parking lot.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I don't remember ever having getting into a fight, and
at the ECW Arena, I don't. I mean other places
I remember getting into fights like Staten Island or you know,
Lost Battalion Hall in Queens, but I don't remember getting
a fight at the e c W Arena with fans.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
The fight the fights that you got in, was it
because of the promos that you and and Bubba, you know,
dictated because some of those were really.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, the one in Staten Island was really raunchy and bad,
and if you could believe it, it even beat the
heat Waved ninety nine one, and you know the one
that we're most famous for. And somebody took a swipe
of Big Dick Dudley.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Why they do that?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
He jumped the railing and went after the guy. And
next thing you know, me and Bubba goes, defont we
gotta go.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
We got of go.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I was like, ship and I'm gonna I jumped the
rail and I went out to go. People are jumping
on us, swinging on us. So Bubba goes, Stevah, he
goes assume the position. I was like, here we go.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
We turned to the ball, We talked back to the
back boom.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
It was like a browroom fight with freaking Patrick Swayze
and Roadhouse all the people that.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
It was freaking phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
And then all of a sudden, the riot cops came
with the dogs and I was like, all right, stop
this ship, go back in the ring.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
The riot cops came with the dogs, and the locker
room fled because how many people had shipped on crazy?
Do you want to plug your socials or any appearances
that you have coming up.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, I'll be in Ohio and god.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Lockwood Chip, I'm there to this weekend, but this airs
after this weekend.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Are you there Saturday?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, I'm there too.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I'll see you.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Coffee.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Too, yep. About being chilicopy ohiographs and doing all of
that good stuff. And I'll also be at the big
event in Long Island me too, coming up.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Yep. I'll be there for that one, uh.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
So and then the big one Wrestle Con weekend.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Yess on weekend, I'll be there for that one.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
And icons and and Battleground at the area double duty.
I get to see Devon.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
I'm so excited. I'll see you so many times.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Absolutely, this is awesome.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
I'm happy. Well, I appreciate you coming, Devonso.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Two timer now two.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
We were aiming for the five time Club.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I have guess this is your got you.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
No, you're not a two timer, Taylor down, He's not
a uh no like I think Shane Douglas. Shane I
think is the first one to be in the five
time Club. On Saturday Night Live, did you ever see
it with Steve Martin. He's like, I'm a five timer.
They do that, they have a VIP layout. Oh yeah, yeah,
so you're a two timer, so you have to come
on three more times to be in my club.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
I'll be good to go. Yeah, ready to go whenever
you want.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I love you, buddy.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Well, thank you for coming on again. I was so
happy to see you a couple of months ago. We'll
do it again when we can. But we'll let's hang
you out this weekend.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Coming up. I'm sorry, we'll hang you out this weekend.
Oh yeah, absolutely sweet. I just gotta get me a
nice steak and I'll be good to go.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yeah, maybe we can do dinner. Are you on the
night show too, because I'm not.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I'm just signing.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
We're not in chilli coffee?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Oh you have a you have a you're driving somewhere else.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
No, no about chilli coffee.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah, chilli coffee.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Oh there's a night show.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
There's a night show.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
They put me on the poster and they were like, oh,
she's doing the night show. I go, I am not
no way, And then I think they thought because I
was there, I would just graciously just do it for free.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
I was like, no, I don't know, that's not happening.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
So after I sign them off, so maybe we can
do dinner or something.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah, let's do it. Let's get all right, I'll see
you there.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
You gotta have my agent.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yours is always.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Looking for you though. All right, everybody go follow him,
go go buy his Yes, there you go, all right, buddy,
I'll talk to you too.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
A guy.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
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