October 16, 2025 • 36 mins
In this Eyes Up Here Flashback Episode, Francine reunites with her longtime ECW ally Justin Credible (PJ Polaco) for an honest, emotional, and unfiltered conversation. The two share stories from the wild ECW days, reflect on the highs and lows of PJ’s journey, and talk about lessons learned inside and outside the ring. It’s a powerful mix of nostalgia, friendship, and real talk from two ECW originals who lived it all.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
H h m.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
This next guest is a person I worked very closely
with in the ec W. He's also known for his
time in WWF his aldu Montoya, but I think he
shines more with us. Good friend of mine. Everybody please
welcome Peg Blanco a jab justin crabble.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
What's going on guys?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Anybody?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
How are you tired? Running around like crazy? And finally what.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
We got another lease shaving guy?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
What are you?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
And Russo? You guys like patting together to shave at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I have a show November ninth, right, So I had
to clean this up because sometimes you know, I'm getting graves.
So you know, this way, it'll be grown in and
I'll be looking like a normal person soon.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Okay, well, I'm happy to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Happy to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yes, we just had Yeah, we were just talking to
Vince Russo. So do you want to you want to
just start with what you're doing with Vince now?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, we do an aw review show usually every Friday.
We start off at like ten am and it's all
through Patreon and you know, we do like ten minutes
first ten minutes free on Twitch. So it's been a
really cool experience. I really dig working with him. He's
really easy. I actually I met Vince back in ninety
(01:54):
four when he was actually writing for the old WWF magazine,
so we go back a long way, but I really
didn't get to know him creatively. We never worked together.
So he's a super cool dude, and I really I
really enjoyed doing it nice.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, Yeah, we were just talking a little bit. I
worked with him one time in TNA and he was
my agent two thousand and two and that was the
only time I ever got to meet him.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Person, he's such a sweetheart, but.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's a shamy, you know, he gets such a bad rap. Yeah,
we were discussing that as well, you know, because just
recently we talked about on the show today a little bit.
Because his fans, you know, the people that subscribe to
his Patreon. I think he has like we just broke
five hundred, which is I guess good for what he's doing.
And but a fan said something to Cody that, you know,
(02:48):
Vince was, you know, critiquing and criticizing some things on
the show, and I guess Cody went on like this
tirade about Vince, so and I didn't see it. I
don't look I really, guys, I do no negativity. I
don't comments not to be mean, I just because that'll
kill me ill. You know, I get obsessed over that stuff.
It upsets me because a lot of this stuff is false.
Like you know, it's amazing that there's one here's one story,
(03:11):
and I'll get back to back on topic. I was
doing a show Wrestlmingia weekend, uh uh, one of Janella's guys,
Black label pro wrestling, and it was like this crazy
battle real at the end, small building, like fifty wrestlers backstage.
I was dressing outside and as a matter of fact,
that day I was with it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
My so small build, we packed it.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, that's the start. But that's the thing. My whole
gimmick was everybody and there was no direction if people
were nobody was talking to anybody. So there's this guy,
Frank clown.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
It was a stage and I only had to take
comment because the other one.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
You know, my music kits. He's sitting there on the
stage doing his You're burying me right there? What am
I gonna do?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
How many things?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
You know? So I took I came him lightly, and
then nobody in the ring was selling for what you know.
So what I did was I yelled get out of
the way, and I did it Terry funk. I threw
a chair in the ring and I unfortunately hit somebody,
and I guess, you know, he got hurt, he got
cut open. Whatever it was on you know me, Francy unintentional.
(04:26):
But then those tonks get to go online and say, oh,
he was this, he was that, And it's real easy
to say when when that happens. And another instance happened
to me recently where this promoter, a kid that I
was actually doing a podcast that I trusted, flew me
out to Cleveland for a show, showed you twenty five show,
(04:48):
drew twenty five people and drove me to the hotel
like nothing was wrong. Had the balls to come pick
me up at six in the morning. I was ready
for everything. Uh, but he said, oh, the flight is
delayed because of something or other. I'm like, well, the
winds are perfect here, there's nothing wrong in Connecticut. So
my wife's good at this stuff, you know. I'm like, Jill,
(05:09):
call the airline, see what's going on. Please? She calls
the airline. There was never a flight even booked for
my return, and I did not only did I not
get paid a dime for this show. I made like
a hundred bucks in pictures if I was lucky, I
did not get paid. I didn't even have a flight home.
So then I have to have a buddy of mine
(05:30):
Western Union me one hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And I said no. I told those motherfuckers, you know,
could we swear? I told those motherfuckers you're driving me home?
And then and then when I exed him out of
the podcast, I didn't go public. I don't like to
air out public shit. I don't like the bury promoters
that don't pay. Even though you saw what happened to
me the other day that way too long, I didn't
(05:54):
go public, you know what I mean? Whatever, And then
the kids that are driving me home because I wasn't
returning his calls or whatever, because I gave him like
a week to make good on the money. I'm like please,
and he was like, oh, tomorrow, And then the next
day is tomorrow. So anyways, so he went on a
rant saying, oh, he was drunk the whole way home. Hey,
(06:15):
what does it matter if I am or not? And
b you just screwed me royally, right, I can defend
myself because I think it's, you know, what's the point,
what's the point at the end, it's it's what it is,
you know. And for everything good that's happening, it always
seems like something bad because I always I've tried to
get out of the business for a very long time,
(06:37):
and you know, it's hard when it's all you know,
A and B. There's some, surprisingly besides the Vince Russo thing,
there's some other real positive things happening so that I
can't say. But you know, it's, uh, you always have
that hope. You know, I'm forty six years old. I'm
not getting any younger, and I know I can't do
(06:57):
this much longer, you know so, And quite frankly, I
don't want to do this in the ring much longer,
except for indies because they're fun. But I was looking, well,
put it this way, I was wanting to get into
a backstage position somewhere, and I got offered to do
an inn ring angle, which I'm not too excited about. Well,
no re phrase, I am excited, but you know, I
(07:25):
don't I.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Don't, okay, you know, I don't know. We're not saying.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Which show is rich no, No, your confidence level sometimes dips,
and you know, you don't know if you could do
it anymore. I don't want to be a parody of myself.
I mean, but whatever, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Exactly. I feel the same way at this point, you know.
But if they book you, you will come.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That's the way I look at it exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So you know, I asked you the other night if
you were open to talk about anything, and you said
you would, so you know, I never want to put
an anybody in an uncomfortable position. But you've been up
and down and been on Twitter, very vocal about it.
What led to the occurrences. We're backtracking now, but it
(08:15):
just just I want to hear your side of it
because I know what I heard and I know what
I've seen. Yeah, and I never really got to hear
you well.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean the as far as my addiction and alcoholism
stuff that and the jail, the jail time, oh that
that yeah, Like I mean, I got off of opioids.
I started using opioids like pain pills, like a lot
of us were around the ECW days, and that carried
(08:46):
over to WWE and other stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I was I was a full blown addict, and I
went to rehab in twenty eleven, paid for by WWE,
and I got put on this wonderful medication call it's
a box on which not only cuts cravings, but also
if you go take a pill or whatever, you know,
take an opioid, it will not work. You will actually
(09:11):
does the adverse effect you go into withdrawal. So that
medication saved my life. I haven't taken an opioid since
twenty eleven. But then I was feeling really good. I
got on the DDPY stuff, things were going really well,
and you know, something in me said, well, you know,
it's not that bad if I have a drink once
in a while, right, I'm I don't feel dirty having
(09:33):
a beer or a glass of wine. And my personality
as they tell you, you know in AA and all
that stuff. You know. It took me years, but I
started to really snowball with it, and that led to
me just being a full blown drunk, drinking day and night.
Like I couldn't like I didn't even want it anymore,
(09:55):
but if you didn't, you'd go into the horrible DTS
and that just call. At the point in time, I
was living with my father and mother and another younger
bro had a big home. But you know, he was
an alcoholic. His girlfriend was living there as an alcoholic.
My wife was living there, and it was just a
formula for disasters, so they were just The first incident
(10:16):
was with my father where I just I was drunk
and we were fighting over money, probably, and I specifically
said to him, which, first of all, I love my dad.
I would never I've never lived, I've never been in
a real fight. I'd never touch anybody. But I said
to him, oh, I'll kill you. Well, he called the cops,
and that's a threat. So then I had a protective
(10:36):
order and I had to leave the house. So where
am I going to go? So I get arrested that time,
and then every time there was an argument or a
drunken fueled debauchery, they'd come and I'm not supposed to
be on the property.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Gotcha, okay?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And I spent forty five days in jail because the
bond was so high the last time. But you know,
I'm doing programs now, you know, stuff you have to
do court ordered, but you know it'll be it's all.
It's all good now, you know, that's that's behind me.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yes, absolutely, And how many days sober now?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh? God, December fourteenth?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, when I went, when I went to jail, well, yeah,
we'll do it to you, brother.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, I'm super proud of you. Like I said, it happens.
Things happen. Things happen for a reason. You know, you're
gonna Probably this was just the way God's telling you
you're going to come back stronger.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I believe so, I hope. I mean, I'm lucky. I'm
lucky to be alive. Quite frankly, you know I was.
I was, and not even more most recently, I'm just
lucky to be alive from the other days. You know,
I was taking so many pills and so many things,
like in the you know, two thousands, the early tooth
I was, to the late two thousands. I was just
(12:03):
I'm surprised that I'm here, you know. And that's the
whole thing. I haven't, like, I don't touch pills, you
know anything.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, yeah, because you were. I mean, when we were
in ECW together, you weren't. You weren't bad.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I wasn't, but I was cloud like. I didn't do anything.
I like, I'll never forget and I don't want to
mention his name. Yo yo, but uh I was given
my first oxy cotton and I fell in love. And
you know, that's a major epidemic. You know nowadays too,
(12:38):
it's but and then doctors too at the time were
handing you because you were you know, we're on TV
and we're all there. You know, they were handing you
whatever you wanted. So it was and really what had
happened was when Chris Benwa incident happened. What had happened
was then all the doctors cut us off. And that's
(12:58):
when a lot of people secretively in the business they
probably won't tell you, but you're probably getting them off
the street. And they were like eighty bucks a pill
at the time.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So so one day somebody said to me, hey, you
ever try heroin. I'm like, no, Well, it's like the
same as it's an opioid. That's what it is. It's
an opiate. And they said, well it's a million times cheaper.
You can get like ten bags for fifty bucks. So
my okay, I was super sick. And that went down
(13:32):
that road for a little bit. You know.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Oh so so that's.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
That you're shooting it, snorting it, at first.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Oh my gosh, okay, yeah, oh yeah it was you know,
this is Doe.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, I've talked about this before, but you know, I
guess it's not. I'm I don't mind talking about any
of this because it's part of what where I am.
It's part of recovery, but it's also part of who
I am, and I've I feel if I talk about it,
you can't talk shit about it, Like you know, if
I'm being honest with you, I have nothing to hide.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Well, that's why I wanted to ask you, because I've
heard so many people say so many different things, and
I'm just like I, if I want to know the story,
I'm going to ask PJ. Yeah, I'm not going to
listen to some schmow. Just tell me what he's doing
when I know you and I don't know them from Adam,
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
But that's that's the funny thing, is from maybe one
or two isolated instances, I don't talk to many people
at shows that I don't know. Yeah, I'm real quiet.
Now well I was always kind of like quiet, but
uh so it's not like I interact with a ton
of people anyway, So I don't know where these people
would get these these ideas or whatever. Again, it's the
(14:46):
stigma that follows you. It's it's it's what it is,
and it's unfortunately the way it's going to be. Like
I said, you know, I was drunk and hit people
with chairs and just out of control. And what they say,
whatever they want. That's why I can't. I can't read
it anymore, you know, because I'm not half I mean,
not to lighten my situation, but uh, the way I
(15:08):
act professionally. I'm still booked every weekend, so obviously I'm
you know, I'm not doing horrible things to promoters, so
you know what I mean. So I don't know, it
is what it is.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Switch hears. I'm getting depressed. I want to I want
to switch hears. Tell me your best time in their career. Well,
what what would you classify as your best time? I
know you're a big click guy and you love the click.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Not so much anymore, not so much anymore, I mean,
not that, not that I don't you know, I have
friendships with really only two of them, know, okay, but
my best time in my career was obviously he c
W specifically two thousand uh ah yeah, when uh when
(15:58):
we had that title run and even afterwards when things
are going bad. You know, I've heard Paul say this
on Steve Austin's podcast. Financially, if you remember back in
the day, even the last two pay per views we
had at Hammerstein, we're still selling out and we were
still putting on quality matches, quality shows, quality stuff. You know,
(16:21):
it gets, it gets very much glorified that ninety five
and ninety you know, these years that are in people's
minds that were so you know, popular, But to me,
two thousand was was was my best year. You know,
I got to I got to live my dream and
be you know, headline pay per views and work with
you and work with Tommy and I am Jerry and
(16:42):
great great people, so and Steve Carino as well.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So I remember the night that we you and I
got together at the arena, yep. And I remember like
it was yesterday. I remember poor Jason because, oh my god,
like we do the deal and like Pj's in there,
(17:05):
and we didn't. We didn't work out anything at the end.
We were just like playing off the top of our head.
And I remember my boob was hanging out and when
I was when I get the Hogan. So I did,
I have the shirt on and I have to rip
it open, and of course my boob's hanging out, and
I see Paul going like this on the stage all way,
(17:26):
oh you know, and I cover it and I walk
over to you and you just grabbed me by the waist.
And here's Jason on the outside like yeah yeah, And
nobody's paying attention to Jason. And he comes up to
me later and he's like, did you know this? And
I said no, what and he goes, you guys are
phasing me out? Did you know? And I'm like, I
didn't know. I don't know anything. I felt so freaking bad.
(17:52):
I was like, dude, I would never ever try to
push you out of any equation like this is like
your deal, like this is Paul told me. I was going.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah. I was never officially told anything about Jason. I again,
I was just told. I just sat there and I
did what I was told now literally. And I never
got in on the politics, even though Paul sometimes would
have me come over, you know, like one time, and
I didn't like it. When when I was working with
(18:25):
Shane we had that one great match at the ECW Arena,
and I think you were with Shane at the time,
and I was going over, No, Shane was going over,
but it was supposed to be like this whatever. He
had me go over to his room at the wherever
we were staying in Philly. I think he was at
the Marriott, and he called Shane and staying in the
(18:48):
same hotel and put him on speaker phone for me
to listen, but did not tell Shane I was in
the room. And now I've become really close with Shane
to now, I mean we're close then, but like I'm
really uh, I really consider him a friend today, and
I even then, I found it disrespectful because as he's
putting Shane over, saying, you've got to make this kid
(19:09):
tonight's and you know, tomorrow night's gonna be the night,
he was doing the franchise ship to him, like mocking
him while he's talking to him, and I'm sitting here
and I think my wife was with me too, excuse me,
And I just found that like, if he's doing that
to Shane, what's he doing to me? What's he doing
to other other people? So you know, so yeah, yeah, okay,
(19:35):
well that's what it is. But I don't know that's
something that's something that I really truly don't like and
it really bothers me.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, I don't. I don't like that either.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
That's just no, that's just not cool. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Well, anyway, I was going to say, everybody keeps talking
about like my pairing with Shane, but I feel like
you and I clicked right away as well. Yeah, we
had a really really good partnership. And I remember the
last pay per view we were forming the new Impact
(20:12):
Players with Corrino and Jack Victory.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
That's right, I see, I don't remember those storylines.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Towards the end, we cut a promo and it was
like the four of us and we were just cutting
this promo and when we were done the promo, we
all kind of looked at each other. We were like,
it's never gonna happen, like we knew, like this is
why are we even here, Like it's not gonna happen.
But to me, that would have been such a cool
thing to do because like Corino was such a heel,
(20:40):
you were such a heel, and like Jack in that
wheelchair was gold.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, it would have been so fun.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
To be, you know, a team like that. But I mean,
I loved working with you. I'll be honest, like I did.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I did you it was it was effortless. All. That's
the thing is people sometimes mistake what E CW was.
And there were times where things were, you know, physically rough,
but it wasn't as it wasn't what people think. And
let me and I'll guarantee you this. They they're hitting
way harder in W W E and in n XT
than we ever did. Serious. I mean, these kids, they
(21:17):
don't work anymore. I mean I see bloody lips, I
see bloody noses. These kids are just I don't know, man,
it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But I think accidents happened. But we we we say
it all the time, but we literally tried to protect
each other.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, we always did. Yeah, we entertained no and we
entertained at the same time. You know, we knew how
to We kind of it all all figured out, all right,
this is where we get the and Dreamer was real
good at teaching this to me. This is where we'll
do this. We'll get this pop here, then we'll get
this other pop here. So we always knew kind of
(21:55):
where to layer our stuff. And if you know, there
was something wrong with me, if I was feeling, well,
we'd figure a way around it. You'd you know, you'd
help me figure a way around it. We just work
it all out, you know. And I think now in
the days in wrestling, you don't really I don't think,
you know, Vince Brews and I talked about this today.
I don't think the guys, a lot of the younger
(22:17):
guys in the locker room have the respect that we
had for the veterans. And I certainly see that, like
where you know, you guys don't know anything. The game
is changing and we're just going to do our own thing.
And that may be true. I know the game is changing,
but uh what, everything that's old becomes new, and everything
(22:37):
that's new becomes old. So after I'm already like, you know,
we're week five into our aw review, and I towards
the end of my note writing at night, I was
already like, it's like same shit every night, you know.
You see, I literally do a gimmick now where I
count how many dives they do and how how many
apron bumps it all looks like the same match, and
(22:58):
how many super kicks there are the show, and how
many times somebody slaps their leg, Uh, it's it's it's
all the same match one thing, it's disappointing, and I
won't get into it. I'm just it's I'm still in
that mode. Is the women's division really kind of is
not good over there?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
And I thought, really, I haven't seen any of it,
so no, no, I don't. I don't watch wrestling anymore.
I watched the first week of AW I watched the
first hour. Yeah, and I saw a little bit of
the girls match that night, but I never saw the
finish because I think my kids would come home from
(23:34):
school and I had to go get them or something,
but just then turn it back on, like I can't.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Watch w w E. Yeah, it's it's just too long.
It's too it's the same stuff. But but one the
one thing I do tell the thing I can say
about both products are good, two totally different styles, you know,
totally different styles.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Right. Well, I get a lot of people, you know,
and you probably get the same thing I do. With
the network out there, we have such a new generation
of fans that are watching our stuff for the first time. Yes,
and it's twenty twenty five years old, and they're saying
how it holds up in the year twenty nineteen and
(24:23):
how creative it is. And then you go and tell
me it's the same stuff every single week. You know,
we never did that. We had we you know, there
was so much variety on our show, and yeah, it fresh,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It kept it fresh. And one thing Paul was really
good at was and you know a lot of the
best directors are just like that. He made the most
of what he had. He would find a spot outside
of a building to do a promo. He did those
pulp fiction vignettes like that stuff that's still not being
(24:59):
done today. It's not being utilized. Like one of the
biggest criticisms I have of AW is unless you followed
the elite, those guys from before, you're in, you're a
new fan tuning in, you really don't like you don't
know these guys are they you know, so they're having
a hard time where Paul would like, you know, everybody
(25:21):
would have their little stick and promos and not just
long winded in ring promos where you know, WW does
like I Talk, you talk and you know, just fun stuff.
And I think it holds up today. I'm amazed that
nobody's really tried to uh. I mean, people have tried
but to try to take some of those elements and
(25:43):
freshen them up to today because what we also did
was and we couldn't get away with it today because
the copyrights. But man, that music with the wrestling, you know,
and it was like it made it cool and the
buildings were on fire. It looked it was so entertaining
just from just that whole thing was just it was
(26:04):
just different. And if you have the money, like an
ad W or the w w W. You know, hell,
if me and Xpop got Uncle Cracker to give us
a song and they and they were paying for it
every time that we came out, they paid for it. Yeah,
it's like, you know, why not do a little more
of that? I think music and wrestling for a long
(26:25):
time has gone together and it could really make your
show a little hipper. You know.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I would sit in the studio and be amazed by
Paul because he would use all the cool hip artists
of you know, nineteen ninety six, and we'd be like,
how are you getting away with it? Don't worry about it,
don't just relax, ton't worry. I'm just like, man, this
this is really cool. But God, if you ever get caught.
How are we not caught on television?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Well, you know, you know how we got away with
it on pay per view was if if it's on
in the background, if it's not if it's not plugged
into the feed, like the direct audio feed, and if
it's like in the like distant in the background, you
can get away with some of it. Not all of it,
but you could get away with some of it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I did an indie show with Shane not long ago,
and I recorded it for YouTube and I got flagged
for The Perfect Strangers.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Couldn't have it on on YouTube. I didn't get monetized.
They demonetized that video, and I was just like, great, Yeah,
I can't even put an entrance on YouTube. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Are you really kidding?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
No, that's what it was because I saw that, you know,
there's a little dollar sign and it was had a
slash through it. Yeah, And I'm looking at the video
and I said, the only thing I can think of
ish Shane's music. And I think it may have been
Stevie or somebody I don't know who's music. And I said, damn,
they flagged me for that Perfect Strangers.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Who's doing like who's watching all these videos.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
If something in like it literal and this is all
above our heads, something in the interface that can read
the music, because I had it happened to me too.
I posted a full episode of Triple Threat on YouTube
and I literally have a karaoke version of Perfect Strangers
that got flagged and I was like, I didn't even
know what song it was, like, it's an instrumental karaoke version.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Come on, wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah. But if you watch w W now on the
on the network and they elevator music over all of
our entering.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
The whole experience, it does it kills.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It really does sick. But I love the fact that
that there's a whole new generation stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah. I was talking about this with somebody the other day.
I don't remember who it was. Who was that with
Oh Tatanka. Uh didn't appearance with him, and I thought
you were with him too. I was just the same weekend.
I believe it was the last weekend. I was with
him the last day on Sunday and Uh, I think
they're going to put ECW you into the Hall of Fame,
(29:01):
but as a faction, you know what I mean. I
think I think it will because a you're gonna run
out of players and be we really were he were
owned by w WE, so they can see that'll be
a promotional uh thing, and you can just have Hay
and go out there and bring out you know, two
or three of the E c W. You know't believe me,
(29:22):
they're gonna they're gonna have all of us out there
getting rings, but we should. Uh. But nonetheless, I think
that'll that'll be cool. It's nobody told me it's gonna happen,
but I think one of these days, sooner than later,
I think that's that's bound to happen.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
You know, they will quietly do something like that. Like
there's a thing they do for the like the old
old timers, like the sixties seventies guy and even the
fifties and sixties guys that they just out of nowhere.
It's called the Legacy Wing. They just brought it out
of nowhere. Yeah, and they just pull guys out of
left field and they just say, oh, well, you're in
a Hall of fame.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Now. It doesn't mean nothing to me because it's fake
and you know what I mean, it's it's so not
a real hall of fame. What I would personally like
is one of those legends contracts. I just want. I
just want an Aldo doll. It's the only thing I want.
Because it was like some guy made this amazing, like
(30:17):
super super detailed. It looks like it would have been
a Mattel right out of the package. And I was like, wow,
I really And then I tweeted the picture and I
was like, let's start a little campaign because from what
Zach Ryder was telling me, like, if you get to
the right people at Mattel, they will pitch you know,
wwe on it because you know, a lot of times
(30:39):
they're looking for rare figures. They're looking for you know,
how many Roman range are you going to sell? You know,
like a France scene Shane Douglas set would sell, you know,
or just you know what I mean, like like a
vintage or feud thing would sell. I think they're they
owned the property already, so I don't see why they
don't do that because after a while, you're you know,
(31:02):
you made the free birds.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Wow, if they made a shame figure, I would drop dead.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I just want I just want some of that fucking
matel money.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Well, I think if they do include us in the
Hall of Fame. I think it would be on Facebook
Live and not even on the main show. I just
don't think they care enough about the c W to
showcase us. That's just my opinion. But you.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Do never Yeah, I never know because they're they're you know,
as long as Haymon's there, you never know.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, that's true. Anything can happen. But you you mentioned
Alda Montoya, and I know on your Twitter you could
either you're cutting some messages as Aldo or you will
appear as him. So are you just yes? So are
you getting a lot of requests and done? Uh?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, I can't say too much, but I'm not getting
I have not gotten any bookings yet from promo other
than appearances for all.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Right, okay, so all right, so you're not have you
you're not working as him in the ring yet.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Nobody's asked.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Nobody's asked, but it's out there.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I just thought it would have been fun because like,
you know, why not, like why not? You know, so
just to know, you know, another opportunity kind of to
to get a booking, but not nobody's asked for it.
I mean I have done a couple with the mask
autographs and believe me. The mask that I've got made
and I got all new gear made is actually way
(32:40):
better than the crap they made me.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
So nice. So it's out there if you want to
book them.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, it's out there. It's out there.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Okay, if they want to book he was all though,
or if they want to book he was just incredible.
You'll do double duty if you have to do.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I'll do whatever they want. I'm definitely a whore.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I love it. I'm happy for you with your new
gig with Vince for for anything coming up that you
can't talk about. That's that's a positive thing. We're for you.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
No, I mean you know, I'm excited. I will it'll
It'll be happening. So yes, in the next I want
to say it's so bad.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
It's okay, you don't have to, but I can use
something's gonna be happening for Pja and lood Lord. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I got a new job at Chile's starting in December,
so that no shame.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
What's over? Uh? Okay? So where where can we find
you on social media? Plug whatever you want?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
My Pro Wrestling Teaspro Wrestling Teas dot Com, Backslash just incredible.
I've got four new shirts out right now and Twitter
at PJ Poloco and Instagram at PJ Poloco and I
have a Facebook page but I barely go there, but
if you are interested in booking me, you can message
me there because I check my messages. So with vincesso, yeah,
(34:04):
Vincerousso with Patreon, it's patreon dot com backslash russo t
w C, which is Truth with Consequences, And he's got
all kinds of pay windows, like you know, if you
want to listen to our show for example, specifically it's
three dollars a month, you know. So he's got all
kinds of of packages, and he's got good stuff there too.
(34:26):
He just doesn't talk about wrestling as like album reviews
and all. He's all over the place with everything. So he's, uh,
he's got a lot of content.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Fine worthday time, awesome, awesome, Well, proud of you, very
proud of you.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I'm happy everything's going good with you. And I yes,
actually I was talking about I was talking to my
wife about that, and we'll talk about that someday, but
I don't even remember what it was. I was so happy.
I was just saying, I was like, I was so happy.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Now everybody's going to be like, what are they talking about?
You don't need to know.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
It made me seriously deep inside. It made me like
really happy.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Well, I'm glad and I do love you and I
I hope everything worked out for you. I love Jill.
I hope everything is going well with her.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Everything is getting better.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
God send her my love and I'll see you somewhere.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I'm sure see each other very soon. Guys, thank you
so much for having me. And I really apologize because
like I'm running.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Like no, no one knows you were late.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
That's okay, he's apologizing for being such an awesome guest. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Well, thank you guys down the road, have a great one. Yeah.
Queen Extreme Extreme the Queen Extreme Podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, it's the Queen Extreme Podcast. It's the Queen of
Extreme Bruny in the letter she is the womernifty Dreams
Legends on the Senior Francises podcast, What you Mean
H h m.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
This next guest is a person I worked very closely
with in the ec W. He's also known for his
time in WWF his aldu Montoya, but I think he
shines more with us. Good friend of mine. Everybody please
welcome Peg Blanco a jab justin crabble.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
What's going on guys?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Anybody?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
How are you tired? Running around like crazy? And finally what.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
We got another lease shaving guy?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
What are you?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
And Russo? You guys like patting together to shave at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I have a show November ninth, right, So I had
to clean this up because sometimes you know, I'm getting graves.
So you know, this way, it'll be grown in and
I'll be looking like a normal person soon.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Okay, well, I'm happy to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Happy to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yes, we just had Yeah, we were just talking to
Vince Russo. So do you want to you want to
just start with what you're doing with Vince now?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, we do an aw review show usually every Friday.
We start off at like ten am and it's all
through Patreon and you know, we do like ten minutes
first ten minutes free on Twitch. So it's been a
really cool experience. I really dig working with him. He's
really easy. I actually I met Vince back in ninety
(01:54):
four when he was actually writing for the old WWF magazine,
so we go back a long way, but I really
didn't get to know him creatively. We never worked together.
So he's a super cool dude, and I really I
really enjoyed doing it nice.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, Yeah, we were just talking a little bit. I
worked with him one time in TNA and he was
my agent two thousand and two and that was the
only time I ever got to meet him.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Person, he's such a sweetheart, but.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's a shamy, you know, he gets such a bad rap. Yeah,
we were discussing that as well, you know, because just
recently we talked about on the show today a little bit.
Because his fans, you know, the people that subscribe to
his Patreon. I think he has like we just broke
five hundred, which is I guess good for what he's doing.
And but a fan said something to Cody that, you know,
(02:48):
Vince was, you know, critiquing and criticizing some things on
the show, and I guess Cody went on like this
tirade about Vince, so and I didn't see it. I
don't look I really, guys, I do no negativity. I
don't comments not to be mean, I just because that'll
kill me ill. You know, I get obsessed over that stuff.
It upsets me because a lot of this stuff is false.
Like you know, it's amazing that there's one here's one story,
(03:11):
and I'll get back to back on topic. I was
doing a show Wrestlmingia weekend, uh uh, one of Janella's guys,
Black label pro wrestling, and it was like this crazy
battle real at the end, small building, like fifty wrestlers backstage.
I was dressing outside and as a matter of fact,
that day I was with it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
My so small build, we packed it.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, that's the start. But that's the thing. My whole
gimmick was everybody and there was no direction if people
were nobody was talking to anybody. So there's this guy,
Frank clown.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
It was a stage and I only had to take
comment because the other one.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
You know, my music kits. He's sitting there on the
stage doing his You're burying me right there? What am
I gonna do?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
How many things?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
You know? So I took I came him lightly, and
then nobody in the ring was selling for what you know.
So what I did was I yelled get out of
the way, and I did it Terry funk. I threw
a chair in the ring and I unfortunately hit somebody,
and I guess, you know, he got hurt, he got
cut open. Whatever it was on you know me, Francy unintentional.
(04:26):
But then those tonks get to go online and say, oh,
he was this, he was that, And it's real easy
to say when when that happens. And another instance happened
to me recently where this promoter, a kid that I
was actually doing a podcast that I trusted, flew me
out to Cleveland for a show, showed you twenty five show,
(04:48):
drew twenty five people and drove me to the hotel
like nothing was wrong. Had the balls to come pick
me up at six in the morning. I was ready
for everything. Uh, but he said, oh, the flight is
delayed because of something or other. I'm like, well, the
winds are perfect here, there's nothing wrong in Connecticut. So
my wife's good at this stuff, you know. I'm like, Jill,
(05:09):
call the airline, see what's going on. Please? She calls
the airline. There was never a flight even booked for
my return, and I did not only did I not
get paid a dime for this show. I made like
a hundred bucks in pictures if I was lucky, I
did not get paid. I didn't even have a flight home.
So then I have to have a buddy of mine
(05:30):
Western Union me one hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And I said no. I told those motherfuckers, you know,
could we swear? I told those motherfuckers you're driving me home?
And then and then when I exed him out of
the podcast, I didn't go public. I don't like to
air out public shit. I don't like the bury promoters
that don't pay. Even though you saw what happened to
me the other day that way too long, I didn't
(05:54):
go public, you know what I mean? Whatever, And then
the kids that are driving me home because I wasn't
returning his calls or whatever, because I gave him like
a week to make good on the money. I'm like please,
and he was like, oh, tomorrow, And then the next
day is tomorrow. So anyways, so he went on a
rant saying, oh, he was drunk the whole way home. Hey,
(06:15):
what does it matter if I am or not? And
b you just screwed me royally, right, I can defend
myself because I think it's, you know, what's the point,
what's the point at the end, it's it's what it is,
you know. And for everything good that's happening, it always
seems like something bad because I always I've tried to
get out of the business for a very long time,
(06:37):
and you know, it's hard when it's all you know,
A and B. There's some, surprisingly besides the Vince Russo thing,
there's some other real positive things happening so that I
can't say. But you know, it's, uh, you always have
that hope. You know, I'm forty six years old. I'm
not getting any younger, and I know I can't do
(06:57):
this much longer, you know so, And quite frankly, I
don't want to do this in the ring much longer,
except for indies because they're fun. But I was looking, well,
put it this way, I was wanting to get into
a backstage position somewhere, and I got offered to do
an inn ring angle, which I'm not too excited about. Well,
no re phrase, I am excited, but you know, I
(07:25):
don't I.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Don't, okay, you know, I don't know. We're not saying.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Which show is rich no, No, your confidence level sometimes dips,
and you know, you don't know if you could do
it anymore. I don't want to be a parody of myself.
I mean, but whatever, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Exactly. I feel the same way at this point, you know.
But if they book you, you will come.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That's the way I look at it exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So you know, I asked you the other night if
you were open to talk about anything, and you said
you would, so you know, I never want to put
an anybody in an uncomfortable position. But you've been up
and down and been on Twitter, very vocal about it.
What led to the occurrences. We're backtracking now, but it
(08:15):
just just I want to hear your side of it
because I know what I heard and I know what
I've seen. Yeah, and I never really got to hear
you well.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean the as far as my addiction and alcoholism
stuff that and the jail, the jail time, oh that
that yeah, Like I mean, I got off of opioids.
I started using opioids like pain pills, like a lot
of us were around the ECW days, and that carried
(08:46):
over to WWE and other stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I was I was a full blown addict, and I
went to rehab in twenty eleven, paid for by WWE,
and I got put on this wonderful medication call it's
a box on which not only cuts cravings, but also
if you go take a pill or whatever, you know,
take an opioid, it will not work. You will actually
(09:11):
does the adverse effect you go into withdrawal. So that
medication saved my life. I haven't taken an opioid since
twenty eleven. But then I was feeling really good. I
got on the DDPY stuff, things were going really well,
and you know, something in me said, well, you know,
it's not that bad if I have a drink once
in a while, right, I'm I don't feel dirty having
(09:33):
a beer or a glass of wine. And my personality
as they tell you, you know in AA and all
that stuff. You know. It took me years, but I
started to really snowball with it, and that led to
me just being a full blown drunk, drinking day and night.
Like I couldn't like I didn't even want it anymore,
(09:55):
but if you didn't, you'd go into the horrible DTS
and that just call. At the point in time, I
was living with my father and mother and another younger
bro had a big home. But you know, he was
an alcoholic. His girlfriend was living there as an alcoholic.
My wife was living there, and it was just a
formula for disasters, so they were just The first incident
(10:16):
was with my father where I just I was drunk
and we were fighting over money, probably, and I specifically
said to him, which, first of all, I love my dad.
I would never I've never lived, I've never been in
a real fight. I'd never touch anybody. But I said
to him, oh, I'll kill you. Well, he called the cops,
and that's a threat. So then I had a protective
(10:36):
order and I had to leave the house. So where
am I going to go? So I get arrested that time,
and then every time there was an argument or a
drunken fueled debauchery, they'd come and I'm not supposed to
be on the property.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Gotcha, okay?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And I spent forty five days in jail because the
bond was so high the last time. But you know,
I'm doing programs now, you know, stuff you have to
do court ordered, but you know it'll be it's all.
It's all good now, you know, that's that's behind me.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yes, absolutely, And how many days sober now?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh? God, December fourteenth?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, when I went, when I went to jail, well, yeah,
we'll do it to you, brother.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, I'm super proud of you. Like I said, it happens.
Things happen. Things happen for a reason. You know, you're
gonna Probably this was just the way God's telling you
you're going to come back stronger.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I believe so, I hope. I mean, I'm lucky. I'm
lucky to be alive. Quite frankly, you know I was.
I was, and not even more most recently, I'm just
lucky to be alive from the other days. You know,
I was taking so many pills and so many things,
like in the you know, two thousands, the early tooth
I was, to the late two thousands. I was just
(12:03):
I'm surprised that I'm here, you know. And that's the
whole thing. I haven't, like, I don't touch pills, you
know anything.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, yeah, because you were. I mean, when we were
in ECW together, you weren't. You weren't bad.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I wasn't, but I was cloud like. I didn't do anything.
I like, I'll never forget and I don't want to
mention his name. Yo yo, but uh I was given
my first oxy cotton and I fell in love. And
you know, that's a major epidemic. You know nowadays too,
(12:38):
it's but and then doctors too at the time were
handing you because you were you know, we're on TV
and we're all there. You know, they were handing you
whatever you wanted. So it was and really what had
happened was when Chris Benwa incident happened. What had happened
was then all the doctors cut us off. And that's
(12:58):
when a lot of people secretively in the business they
probably won't tell you, but you're probably getting them off
the street. And they were like eighty bucks a pill
at the time.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So so one day somebody said to me, hey, you
ever try heroin. I'm like, no, Well, it's like the
same as it's an opioid. That's what it is. It's
an opiate. And they said, well it's a million times cheaper.
You can get like ten bags for fifty bucks. So
my okay, I was super sick. And that went down
(13:32):
that road for a little bit. You know.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Oh so so that's.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
That you're shooting it, snorting it, at first.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Oh my gosh, okay, yeah, oh yeah it was you know,
this is Doe.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, I've talked about this before, but you know, I
guess it's not. I'm I don't mind talking about any
of this because it's part of what where I am.
It's part of recovery, but it's also part of who
I am, and I've I feel if I talk about it,
you can't talk shit about it, Like you know, if
I'm being honest with you, I have nothing to hide.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Well, that's why I wanted to ask you, because I've
heard so many people say so many different things, and
I'm just like I, if I want to know the story,
I'm going to ask PJ. Yeah, I'm not going to
listen to some schmow. Just tell me what he's doing
when I know you and I don't know them from Adam,
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
But that's that's the funny thing, is from maybe one
or two isolated instances, I don't talk to many people
at shows that I don't know. Yeah, I'm real quiet.
Now well I was always kind of like quiet, but
uh so it's not like I interact with a ton
of people anyway, So I don't know where these people
would get these these ideas or whatever. Again, it's the
(14:46):
stigma that follows you. It's it's it's what it is,
and it's unfortunately the way it's going to be. Like
I said, you know, I was drunk and hit people
with chairs and just out of control. And what they say,
whatever they want. That's why I can't. I can't read
it anymore, you know, because I'm not half I mean,
not to lighten my situation, but uh, the way I
(15:08):
act professionally. I'm still booked every weekend, so obviously I'm
you know, I'm not doing horrible things to promoters, so
you know what I mean. So I don't know, it
is what it is.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Switch hears. I'm getting depressed. I want to I want
to switch hears. Tell me your best time in their career. Well,
what what would you classify as your best time? I
know you're a big click guy and you love the click.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Not so much anymore, not so much anymore, I mean,
not that, not that I don't you know, I have
friendships with really only two of them, know, okay, but
my best time in my career was obviously he c
W specifically two thousand uh ah yeah, when uh when
(15:58):
we had that title run and even afterwards when things
are going bad. You know, I've heard Paul say this
on Steve Austin's podcast. Financially, if you remember back in
the day, even the last two pay per views we
had at Hammerstein, we're still selling out and we were
still putting on quality matches, quality shows, quality stuff. You know,
(16:21):
it gets, it gets very much glorified that ninety five
and ninety you know, these years that are in people's
minds that were so you know, popular, But to me,
two thousand was was was my best year. You know,
I got to I got to live my dream and
be you know, headline pay per views and work with
you and work with Tommy and I am Jerry and
(16:42):
great great people, so and Steve Carino as well.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So I remember the night that we you and I
got together at the arena, yep. And I remember like
it was yesterday. I remember poor Jason because, oh my god,
like we do the deal and like Pj's in there,
(17:05):
and we didn't. We didn't work out anything at the end.
We were just like playing off the top of our head.
And I remember my boob was hanging out and when
I was when I get the Hogan. So I did,
I have the shirt on and I have to rip
it open, and of course my boob's hanging out, and
I see Paul going like this on the stage all way,
(17:26):
oh you know, and I cover it and I walk
over to you and you just grabbed me by the waist.
And here's Jason on the outside like yeah yeah, And
nobody's paying attention to Jason. And he comes up to
me later and he's like, did you know this? And
I said no, what and he goes, you guys are
phasing me out? Did you know? And I'm like, I
didn't know. I don't know anything. I felt so freaking bad.
(17:52):
I was like, dude, I would never ever try to
push you out of any equation like this is like
your deal, like this is Paul told me. I was going.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah. I was never officially told anything about Jason. I again,
I was just told. I just sat there and I
did what I was told now literally. And I never
got in on the politics, even though Paul sometimes would
have me come over, you know, like one time, and
I didn't like it. When when I was working with
(18:25):
Shane we had that one great match at the ECW Arena,
and I think you were with Shane at the time,
and I was going over, No, Shane was going over,
but it was supposed to be like this whatever. He
had me go over to his room at the wherever
we were staying in Philly. I think he was at
the Marriott, and he called Shane and staying in the
(18:48):
same hotel and put him on speaker phone for me
to listen, but did not tell Shane I was in
the room. And now I've become really close with Shane
to now, I mean we're close then, but like I'm
really uh, I really consider him a friend today, and
I even then, I found it disrespectful because as he's
putting Shane over, saying, you've got to make this kid
(19:09):
tonight's and you know, tomorrow night's gonna be the night,
he was doing the franchise ship to him, like mocking
him while he's talking to him, and I'm sitting here
and I think my wife was with me too, excuse me,
And I just found that like, if he's doing that
to Shane, what's he doing to me? What's he doing
to other other people? So you know, so yeah, yeah, okay,
(19:35):
well that's what it is. But I don't know that's
something that's something that I really truly don't like and
it really bothers me.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, I don't. I don't like that either.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
That's just no, that's just not cool. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Well, anyway, I was going to say, everybody keeps talking
about like my pairing with Shane, but I feel like
you and I clicked right away as well. Yeah, we
had a really really good partnership. And I remember the
last pay per view we were forming the new Impact
(20:12):
Players with Corrino and Jack Victory.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
That's right, I see, I don't remember those storylines.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Towards the end, we cut a promo and it was
like the four of us and we were just cutting
this promo and when we were done the promo, we
all kind of looked at each other. We were like,
it's never gonna happen, like we knew, like this is
why are we even here, Like it's not gonna happen.
But to me, that would have been such a cool
thing to do because like Corino was such a heel,
(20:40):
you were such a heel, and like Jack in that
wheelchair was gold.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, it would have been so fun.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
To be, you know, a team like that. But I mean,
I loved working with you. I'll be honest, like I did.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I did you it was it was effortless. All. That's
the thing is people sometimes mistake what E CW was.
And there were times where things were, you know, physically rough,
but it wasn't as it wasn't what people think. And
let me and I'll guarantee you this. They they're hitting
way harder in W W E and in n XT
than we ever did. Serious. I mean, these kids, they
(21:17):
don't work anymore. I mean I see bloody lips, I
see bloody noses. These kids are just I don't know, man,
it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But I think accidents happened. But we we we say
it all the time, but we literally tried to protect
each other.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, we always did. Yeah, we entertained no and we
entertained at the same time. You know, we knew how
to We kind of it all all figured out, all right,
this is where we get the and Dreamer was real
good at teaching this to me. This is where we'll
do this. We'll get this pop here, then we'll get
this other pop here. So we always knew kind of
(21:55):
where to layer our stuff. And if you know, there
was something wrong with me, if I was feeling, well,
we'd figure a way around it. You'd you know, you'd
help me figure a way around it. We just work
it all out, you know. And I think now in
the days in wrestling, you don't really I don't think,
you know, Vince Brews and I talked about this today.
I don't think the guys, a lot of the younger
(22:17):
guys in the locker room have the respect that we
had for the veterans. And I certainly see that, like
where you know, you guys don't know anything. The game
is changing and we're just going to do our own thing.
And that may be true. I know the game is changing,
but uh what, everything that's old becomes new, and everything
(22:37):
that's new becomes old. So after I'm already like, you know,
we're week five into our aw review, and I towards
the end of my note writing at night, I was
already like, it's like same shit every night, you know.
You see, I literally do a gimmick now where I
count how many dives they do and how how many
apron bumps it all looks like the same match, and
(22:58):
how many super kicks there are the show, and how
many times somebody slaps their leg, Uh, it's it's it's
all the same match one thing, it's disappointing, and I
won't get into it. I'm just it's I'm still in
that mode. Is the women's division really kind of is
not good over there?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
And I thought, really, I haven't seen any of it,
so no, no, I don't. I don't watch wrestling anymore.
I watched the first week of AW I watched the
first hour. Yeah, and I saw a little bit of
the girls match that night, but I never saw the
finish because I think my kids would come home from
(23:34):
school and I had to go get them or something,
but just then turn it back on, like I can't.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Watch w w E. Yeah, it's it's just too long.
It's too it's the same stuff. But but one the
one thing I do tell the thing I can say
about both products are good, two totally different styles, you know,
totally different styles.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Right. Well, I get a lot of people, you know,
and you probably get the same thing I do. With
the network out there, we have such a new generation
of fans that are watching our stuff for the first time. Yes,
and it's twenty twenty five years old, and they're saying
how it holds up in the year twenty nineteen and
(24:23):
how creative it is. And then you go and tell
me it's the same stuff every single week. You know,
we never did that. We had we you know, there
was so much variety on our show, and yeah, it fresh,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It kept it fresh. And one thing Paul was really
good at was and you know a lot of the
best directors are just like that. He made the most
of what he had. He would find a spot outside
of a building to do a promo. He did those
pulp fiction vignettes like that stuff that's still not being
(24:59):
done today. It's not being utilized. Like one of the
biggest criticisms I have of AW is unless you followed
the elite, those guys from before, you're in, you're a
new fan tuning in, you really don't like you don't
know these guys are they you know, so they're having
a hard time where Paul would like, you know, everybody
(25:21):
would have their little stick and promos and not just
long winded in ring promos where you know, WW does
like I Talk, you talk and you know, just fun stuff.
And I think it holds up today. I'm amazed that
nobody's really tried to uh. I mean, people have tried
but to try to take some of those elements and
(25:43):
freshen them up to today because what we also did
was and we couldn't get away with it today because
the copyrights. But man, that music with the wrestling, you know,
and it was like it made it cool and the
buildings were on fire. It looked it was so entertaining
just from just that whole thing was just it was
(26:04):
just different. And if you have the money, like an
ad W or the w w W. You know, hell,
if me and Xpop got Uncle Cracker to give us
a song and they and they were paying for it
every time that we came out, they paid for it. Yeah,
it's like, you know, why not do a little more
of that? I think music and wrestling for a long
(26:25):
time has gone together and it could really make your
show a little hipper. You know.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I would sit in the studio and be amazed by
Paul because he would use all the cool hip artists
of you know, nineteen ninety six, and we'd be like,
how are you getting away with it? Don't worry about it,
don't just relax, ton't worry. I'm just like, man, this
this is really cool. But God, if you ever get caught.
How are we not caught on television?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Well, you know, you know how we got away with
it on pay per view was if if it's on
in the background, if it's not if it's not plugged
into the feed, like the direct audio feed, and if
it's like in the like distant in the background, you
can get away with some of it. Not all of it,
but you could get away with some of it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I did an indie show with Shane not long ago,
and I recorded it for YouTube and I got flagged
for The Perfect Strangers.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Couldn't have it on on YouTube. I didn't get monetized.
They demonetized that video, and I was just like, great, Yeah,
I can't even put an entrance on YouTube. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Are you really kidding?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
No, that's what it was because I saw that, you know,
there's a little dollar sign and it was had a
slash through it. Yeah, And I'm looking at the video
and I said, the only thing I can think of
ish Shane's music. And I think it may have been
Stevie or somebody I don't know who's music. And I said, damn,
they flagged me for that Perfect Strangers.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Who's doing like who's watching all these videos.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
If something in like it literal and this is all
above our heads, something in the interface that can read
the music, because I had it happened to me too.
I posted a full episode of Triple Threat on YouTube
and I literally have a karaoke version of Perfect Strangers
that got flagged and I was like, I didn't even
know what song it was, like, it's an instrumental karaoke version.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Come on, wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah. But if you watch w W now on the
on the network and they elevator music over all of
our entering.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
The whole experience, it does it kills.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It really does sick. But I love the fact that
that there's a whole new generation stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah. I was talking about this with somebody the other day.
I don't remember who it was. Who was that with
Oh Tatanka. Uh didn't appearance with him, and I thought
you were with him too. I was just the same weekend.
I believe it was the last weekend. I was with
him the last day on Sunday and Uh, I think
they're going to put ECW you into the Hall of Fame,
(29:01):
but as a faction, you know what I mean. I
think I think it will because a you're gonna run
out of players and be we really were he were
owned by w WE, so they can see that'll be
a promotional uh thing, and you can just have Hay
and go out there and bring out you know, two
or three of the E c W. You know't believe me,
(29:22):
they're gonna they're gonna have all of us out there
getting rings, but we should. Uh. But nonetheless, I think
that'll that'll be cool. It's nobody told me it's gonna happen,
but I think one of these days, sooner than later,
I think that's that's bound to happen.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
You know, they will quietly do something like that. Like
there's a thing they do for the like the old
old timers, like the sixties seventies guy and even the
fifties and sixties guys that they just out of nowhere.
It's called the Legacy Wing. They just brought it out
of nowhere. Yeah, and they just pull guys out of
left field and they just say, oh, well, you're in
a Hall of fame.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Now. It doesn't mean nothing to me because it's fake
and you know what I mean, it's it's so not
a real hall of fame. What I would personally like
is one of those legends contracts. I just want. I
just want an Aldo doll. It's the only thing I want.
Because it was like some guy made this amazing, like
(30:17):
super super detailed. It looks like it would have been
a Mattel right out of the package. And I was like, wow,
I really And then I tweeted the picture and I
was like, let's start a little campaign because from what
Zach Ryder was telling me, like, if you get to
the right people at Mattel, they will pitch you know,
wwe on it because you know, a lot of times
(30:39):
they're looking for rare figures. They're looking for you know,
how many Roman range are you going to sell? You know,
like a France scene Shane Douglas set would sell, you know,
or just you know what I mean, like like a
vintage or feud thing would sell. I think they're they
owned the property already, so I don't see why they
don't do that because after a while, you're you know,
(31:02):
you made the free birds.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Wow, if they made a shame figure, I would drop dead.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I just want I just want some of that fucking
matel money.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Well, I think if they do include us in the
Hall of Fame. I think it would be on Facebook
Live and not even on the main show. I just
don't think they care enough about the c W to
showcase us. That's just my opinion. But you.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Do never Yeah, I never know because they're they're you know,
as long as Haymon's there, you never know.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, that's true. Anything can happen. But you you mentioned
Alda Montoya, and I know on your Twitter you could
either you're cutting some messages as Aldo or you will
appear as him. So are you just yes? So are
you getting a lot of requests and done? Uh?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, I can't say too much, but I'm not getting
I have not gotten any bookings yet from promo other
than appearances for all.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Right, okay, so all right, so you're not have you
you're not working as him in the ring yet.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Nobody's asked.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Nobody's asked, but it's out there.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I just thought it would have been fun because like,
you know, why not, like why not? You know, so
just to know, you know, another opportunity kind of to
to get a booking, but not nobody's asked for it.
I mean I have done a couple with the mask
autographs and believe me. The mask that I've got made
and I got all new gear made is actually way
(32:40):
better than the crap they made me.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
So nice. So it's out there if you want to
book them.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, it's out there. It's out there.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Okay, if they want to book he was all though,
or if they want to book he was just incredible.
You'll do double duty if you have to do.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I'll do whatever they want. I'm definitely a whore.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I love it. I'm happy for you with your new
gig with Vince for for anything coming up that you
can't talk about. That's that's a positive thing. We're for you.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
No, I mean you know, I'm excited. I will it'll
It'll be happening. So yes, in the next I want
to say it's so bad.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
It's okay, you don't have to, but I can use
something's gonna be happening for Pja and lood Lord. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I got a new job at Chile's starting in December,
so that no shame.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
What's over? Uh? Okay? So where where can we find
you on social media? Plug whatever you want?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
My Pro Wrestling Teaspro Wrestling Teas dot Com, Backslash just incredible.
I've got four new shirts out right now and Twitter
at PJ Poloco and Instagram at PJ Poloco and I
have a Facebook page but I barely go there, but
if you are interested in booking me, you can message
me there because I check my messages. So with vincesso, yeah,
(34:04):
Vincerousso with Patreon, it's patreon dot com backslash russo t
w C, which is Truth with Consequences, And he's got
all kinds of pay windows, like you know, if you
want to listen to our show for example, specifically it's
three dollars a month, you know. So he's got all
kinds of of packages, and he's got good stuff there too.
(34:26):
He just doesn't talk about wrestling as like album reviews
and all. He's all over the place with everything. So he's, uh,
he's got a lot of content.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Fine worthday time, awesome, awesome, Well, proud of you, very
proud of you.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I'm happy everything's going good with you. And I yes,
actually I was talking about I was talking to my
wife about that, and we'll talk about that someday, but
I don't even remember what it was. I was so happy.
I was just saying, I was like, I was so happy.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Now everybody's going to be like, what are they talking about?
You don't need to know.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
It made me seriously deep inside. It made me like
really happy.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Well, I'm glad and I do love you and I
I hope everything worked out for you. I love Jill.
I hope everything is going well with her.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Everything is getting better.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
God send her my love and I'll see you somewhere.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I'm sure see each other very soon. Guys, thank you
so much for having me. And I really apologize because
like I'm running.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Like no, no one knows you were late.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
That's okay, he's apologizing for being such an awesome guest. Thanks.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Well, thank you guys down the road, have a great one. Yeah.
Queen Extreme Extreme the Queen Extreme Podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, it's the Queen Extreme Podcast. It's the Queen of
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