July 3, 2025 • 48 mins
On this FLASHBACK episode of Eyes Up Here, Francine gets real about the state of wrestling—especially Monday nights. Is wrestling still must-see TV, or has that magic faded? The Queen of Extreme shares her unfiltered thoughts on what’s missing and why fans (and even wrestlers) just aren’t as hooked as they used to be. Plus, a thought-provoking “what if”: If a wrestler had to get a real job after wrestling, would you tell people who you used to be… or keep it quiet? It’s honest, a little deep, and totally Francine.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
H h.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
H h. I'm Chad. By the way, that's the queen
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of Extreme Francine. I couldn't hear her and she can't
see me. We're like a perfect like Helen Teller.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Duo. Oh god, now that's so terrible. Din't say you
didn't stay done it? You know what I think happened? Uh?
I had to get a separate place for my what's
this called set up my computer?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Hard? No, what's it called? Not a PC? Not a
not I mean not a what was it desktop? Desktop? Say?
This is ella savvy I am. Because I wanted to
stream poker on Twitch, so we had to buy a
doppel Is that what that's called. We had to buy
a piece to add to uh, you know, so they
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can see where I live because you know, gambling is
only legal in certain states or whatever. And I was
able to stream last night, which was a success. It
was lots of fun and great and all that stuff.
But for some reason, it lagged me out of everything.
So like when I tried to get into my email
like it's as we need your password, I was like,
I forget it. I'm trying all these passwords and it
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kicked me out of my Twitch you can't. It kicked
me out of all my accounts and it messed with
my microphone.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That was quite the technical infrastructure you had to tackle
right before we started. But I'm gonna give you credit.
You did a great job. I can hear you crystal clear.
I was going deaf while you were doing it because
it was it was like shocking me in my ears.
I had to put my headphones like this. But you
didn't give yourself a hand, all.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Right, I will thank you. Yeah. You know, Hubbs is
the tech wizard and he's not here and I'm just alone.
So I'm just trying to click different buttons and unplug
things and plug them back in. And I think I
did it correctly.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So so does this poker? Does this open up a
new world for you? Now that you have this thing
to track your gambling?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It opens up a new world on Twitch? Because I
was kind of looking for something else to do on there,
and I was like, okay, so I do an aaw
watch along. I answer questions all the time like it's
just chatting whatever. I took them poolside. They seem to
have liked that a lot, but I was.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Like, I why, I can't imagine why.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And then I tried gaming, you know, and that's okay.
And I said, well, I play poker anyway, and I
really enjoy it. Why don't I just throw it on
twitch and see if it sticks? And I did a
tournament last night and I actually finished in the money,
which was fun. But I was on there for like
three and a half hours, and you know, I have
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to I think I have to play earlier in the
day because that's a long stretch for me. But it
was good and I enjoy it, and I'm gonna venture
out and try that from now on, so it's something
to add to what I do.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I saw your tweet and I was like, this is
like past bedtime here now.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I was sitting. I was literally yawning, and I'm like,
I'm so sorry. It's not you, it's me. It's just
and I was I wanted something to drink, but I
didn't want to leave. You know, I wasn't prepared. I
didn't bring anything with me. I brought like two SIPs
of a ginger ale and that did not last for
three and a half hours. So I was parched. I
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was hungry, which it didn't let me snack, which was
good because sometimes I'll go and I'll get a little
snacky poo late, and that's not good. So I did
snack last night, but I was exhausted. I was tired.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Did you see cards in your head all night? Like
numbers and cards?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yew? I just you know. I My problem is I
just need to slow it down because early on I
had pocketjacks and the other guy I thought was just
being a turd and he was raising and I'm like, oh,
he's probably got ace king he's got nothing. And here
he caught something like on the turn or the river,
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and if you don't know what this is, look it up.
But Chad looks like he's very confused.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, we put our cards over. I was in the lead,
and then the guy caught something as the cards flipped,
and so I lost and I had to shoot another bullet,
which means I had to pay another ten dollars, so
I actually bet twenty and one back thirteen and change.
So I took a six dollars and changed loss. But
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it was for twitch, so it was good and it's
building my hours up and hopefully I'll gain some new
poker people that didn't know me from wrestling, so I
don't know. I'm just trying stuff, you know me. I
just try until it works.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And then like two years you'll be on the celebrity
Poker Toy battling, you know, battling like you know, like
NFL greats and like you know, like former like singers
and stuff. And Francine sitting there with her poker face.
I wish we get your poker face. Let me see
a poker face.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well, you don't need a poker face online.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I just want to see your poker face. You have one.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, It's like this is it gonna call? Oh my god,
do I have anything? Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I have all the tails right on my face.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Being like I'm telling you, people wear like sunglasses, they
have a hoodie over them so you can't see anything.
And it's just like, I don't know. I get very
nervous when I play, and I need to just control
myself and calm down because I'm a decent play I know,
I wear a mask. I'm a decent enough player. I
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know the rules and stuff. But I'm over zealous sometimes,
so I just need to slow it down a little bit. Yeah,
but I do enjoy it. So last night was a
lot of fun, and I think the people watching had
fun too, And I was I dropped some F bombs
and I know and I didn't mean to, and I
just kept going sorry, sorry, it was just not me.
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But you tend to curse when you when you get
a bad beat sometimes.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So was it just a straight curse or combination word?
Was it like I used?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I used son of a bitch a lot. Yeah, I
was using that one a lot. I think I dropped
the F bomb two or three times, but I apologized
and everybody was laughing at me. So overall a great success.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Do you so, do you like completely, like hide cursing
from your kids as much as you can? Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
We talked about it before. But you know, just like
they if they say like any do they know like
X word is like a trigger semi curse word and
they stay away from it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, they don't curse. But once in a while, these
YouTube videos for kids will have cursing in it, and
I'll go whoa hey, and they'll go sorry. They freak
out on me. Like if I'm doing something in another
room and I say ship or something, I'll hear a
swear word. Swear word and I'll go sorry and don't
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say that. Mom. I know that, I'm so sorry, but
like you hardly hear. Like we never say f in
front of the kids. It's we try not to, you know.
I try not to curse at all in front of them.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And that's the way to be. I agree, and I'm
I'm pretty good. Uh. Brie was watching something that the
table the other day and it said, like, what the hell,
and I go, what are you watching? And she goes,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I was looking off of it.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Then.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I'm not really sure what this is. But uh, I'm
just flabbergasted by the amount of cursing in these videos
that are aimed at kids. Yeah, and they should not
be on YouTube in my opinion. Maybe I'm just apprude,
but for you know, if you have younger children and
these are the kids who are clicking these links, they
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why do they have to drop an F bomb or
say a curse word at all? It just I don't
get it.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It's an interesting little thing though, because I've seen it
more like penetrate, not just these kids videos and YouTube videos,
but journalism headlines, you know, more free to speak it
on TV and It's one of those things where it's
like these are still taboo words, and especially if you
read it in an article and then you just like this,
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if it's an opinion piece and the journalist is cursing
in F bombs, I think it kind of takes away
the credibility of the piece because if you're needing an
easier word, maybe getting a little more creative and think
of something that could fill in the blank.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You know, it's funny too because like a lot of
wrestlers who use profanity, I've heard time and time again
people say, well, they're only using it to get cheap heat.
They only curse to get cheap heat, you know. And
sometimes it is appropriate and other times it's overkill. So
you got to pace yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, I mean, I've had that conversation with Shane, and
he's the one who i'd put at the top of
my head of work. But he and I have had
that same discussion of certain places it doesn't belong. It's
different in the entertainment realm. You read a book and
there's an F bomb, it's like, all right, it's part
of the story. You're watching a movie, there's an F
bomb that's part of the story wrestling. Wrestling could be real,
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So there's part of the story. You drop an F
bomb and makes it that much more, you know, like impactful.
But you're just reading a story, you know, especially like
you know they're in the the Trump presidency. You just
see journalists dropping F bombs and you know, ship and this,
and then it's like that's easy way out of writing
an article or writing a piece. And I just I
don't like, I personally don't like to read that stuff.
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Not to say it's not just with him, it's with everybody,
but I just I hate that person.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, I don't know. I just I look back on
some of the promos that I did, and I'm like, oh,
I shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
If they if they removed the word bitch from television,
for you, you would have like two words that I'm joking.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I'm joking.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I'm joking. I was talking with somebody this week and
we were we were discussing a few weeks ago, how
you and I were saying, you know, wouldn't it be
funny if WWE bought Disney or Disney bought w WE
bean WWE at Hollywood Studios. Well, this week they had
a shitload of cuts.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I don't know if I saw now, wasn't it the
was it the iconics or was that the prior one?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That was the prior one. They did less of the
talent releases this time, and more of the corporate releases
this time, and just straight up virons and they clean house.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Wow, So numbers must be really bad, because oh.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Numbers are good. They're keeping them up. They just felt
some of the positions were redundant.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I mean money wise, because it's I mean usually they
do these budget cuts every year and they get rid
of a whole lot of people every year, and I
honestly feel like coronavirus just cut into their budget terribly.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't know, Uh, you know, personal heat between the
workers and like the the higher ups. Like somebody said
that Kevin Dunn hated the one iconic Billy Kay and
I'm just like she was so over. Like that group
to me was like so over. What was it? Personal beef?
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Like what is getting in the way. It just I
don't know, I don't get it. I can understand money wise,
but when you go after like people that are really
good for the company, hard working, getting over doing their
job well, and then you just get rid of them.
That's why I always said anyone is replaceable. Yeah, you know,
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they just don't care. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And the iconics, I mean, I gotta tell you, probably
not replaceable immediately, because where are you gonna find two
Australian Wells that are a team together that managed to
have their unique ability to get heat and then become
very love But they're from Australia. You would think that
that's a box that's not gonna come along every five minutes.
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Two Australian girls that you could pair together like that.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
They'll they'll just give that gimmick to someone else. When
we had Jazz on you remember what she said, she
came up with a tremendous storyline and they loved it
and gave to someone else and it was her idea.
And it's like, are you kidding me? Like I just
I don't know, I don't know. It just makes me
happy that I'm not involved in that world anymore because
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it's so frustrating, Like I could just imagine those poor
girls and the guys is just frustration.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It doesn't look like the same business when you watch
it on television anymore. And I just got done watching
what we're gonna watch for our watch long. I watched
the lead up, you know, the show going into the match,
and it just does an uneasy w being separately and
it's all cool entity. It just doesn't look like you're
watching the same thing anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, you know, I don't watch, so I'm not. I'm
always told you I'm not missing anything. I'm just not.
It makes me sad though, because I was such a
huge fan back in the day and now I could
care less and I couldn't care less rather is the expression,
but it's it's terrible. It's terrible to feel that way.
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And I used to get excited for wrestling. I used
to I used to run to my girlfriend's house to
watch raw because I didn't have cable. Nine o'clock at night,
I would run the street watched her, you know, to
watch an hour's worth of wrestling because I couldn't see
it on mye And that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Was technically during a down period.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well for me, that was that was like my that
was my Monday was complete. I just had to have
that that hour wrestling and I was all week. It
was a build up. I looked forward to the next
that's so awesome. Yeah, and that's not that's not here anymore,
Like there's I don't crave it anymore, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And that to me doing that New Generation era podcast
that I do, you know, it's it's basically we're talking
about shows that were an hour and how much they
crammed into that hour. Never never a loss for a minute,
but to see how stuff developed, see how it played out,
you couldn't miss it because it was that one hour
a week that you had to get in and locked in.
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And and it's like, I'm not saying go back to
an hour. You guys had an hour, and the you
know it did you know the for the most part,
right almost all up until TNN, right, it was.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
No, we had an hour. We had an hour.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
They didn't extend. No, you got an hour TV, and
look how much you guys got done. And that to
me is the beauty of it. And that's why I said,
it's not the same kind of business. When you put
on a wrestling show, it just doesn't and sports entertainment whatever,
it just it doesn't feel the same.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Also, I feel like when you extend it to two hours,
three hours, whatever it is, it's a lot of filler.
It's a lot of stuff that fans are going to
go to the bathroom, go make a sandwich, go get
a drink because they don't care about it. It's a
lot of talking, unnecessary talking. It doesn't mean as much anymore,
and it just it just bothers me because I want
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to love it. I want to. I want to have
my DVR loaded and sit down on a Saturday afternoon
and want to watch it. But I don't. Yeah, I
just don't. And that again, it's nothing against the workers.
The workers are tremendous and they can do some great things.
It's just the product itself that turns me off right now.
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I don't think I'll ever be a huge fan again.
I really don't. Plus I'm older, there's different things going
on in my life, you know what I mean. Like
some people say, oh, I've grown out of wrestling or whatever,
and some people have been lifelong wrestling fans and they're
struggling with today's product. You know, when I do the
watch alongs, there's one guy in there who is absolutely
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every week punked. I think it's Sam. I think his
name is Sam. He's a twenty year old kid, absolutely
loves the product. And while the chat's going on. Everybody's
asking me questions about eastw Sam always comments about what's
happening on AW every single week, and I'm just like,
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Sam's pumped, He's ready to go. He loves this stuff.
He's like, I just love wrestling, and I wish I
was there and I used to be there like twenty
something years ago, but I'm not there now.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So it's crazy. It's just crazy. I mean, you know,
and that's you from studying the business, me as a
fan and having worked in production and around the guys,
I feel the same way. So I think it's just
the era and that's it. The era is done. But
here's the other side of it. This is better for
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you in the long run because people are going to
be clamoring to see the older stars, and I think
that the vintage stuff is what is really going to
carry the history of wrestling now. Is anything basically before
twenty ten is really now. I think is going to
be more in demands of the conventions, and from what
I've seen about the conventions that have happened, the one
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you went to and there was another one since people
are coming back.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, yeah they are.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well, people want to get out, but I think that
the product is causing people to want to go see
the older stars too.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
That could be it. I still think everybody has cabin
fever and they just want to get the hell out
of it else, you know. But yeah, I I don't know.
It's it's you either love it right now or you don't.
There's really no middle ground. You know, You're either all
in or you're just you're just changing the channel. And
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most people are changing the channel these days. So I
think it'll be better once uh, you know, the fans
start to come back to these shows and there's live
audiences again, and especially for the workers, like we've said
it time and time again, it's so hard to work
in an empty arena, you know, And and I tip
my hat to them, especially if you're a heel working
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off no energy whatsoever. So I feel like, at least
for the workers, momentum will go up because the crowds
are coming back. So that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, Jesus, they're going to go house show touring again. Wow,
that's like house show business was down in the pits
before coronavirus and now it's like a twenty five city
tour they announced, And I gotta be honest with you,
that's all they should announce. They shouldn't pick up all
those little shows because that's what drove the business model down.
Keep them in the big areas well.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'm sure they're happy with, you know, the paychecks that
they're going to get, because their pay is going to
go up. But it's just what a weird, what a
weird year it's been.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Let me ask you a question. Do you think buff
Bagwell was wearing his mask when he got pulled over
the other day?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I think buff Bagwell was wearing it over his eyes
because this guy great segue, by the way.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, let me do my buff thing.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, oh there you go. Well, look and you got
the high and the glasses you are. That's right, a
dead ringer for mister Bagwell. Former w W WCW star
Marcus buff Bagwell arrested on more than ten charges.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Ten that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
That's a that's like, that's like a year's worth of rest.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Let's what we call, let's what we call in my neighborhood,
a shitload.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So buff is now fifty one years old, was involved
in another car crash. I suppose. Uh. And they're saying,
let me see, was this When did this happen?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
This was like, uh, we're recording this Friday. I think
this was Monday or Tuesday. This dropped.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Okay, So here are the charges. Misdemeanor driving under the
influence of drugs, misdemeanor open container violation for misdemeanor, charges
of hid and run, misdemeanor speeding, misdemeanor failing to yield
when entering an intersection, misdemeanor giving false name or address
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of birthday to law enforcement officer.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Three Scotty Riggs, how you doing no?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I love Scotty Riggs. Three charges of following too closely
and a misdemeanor reckless driving and a misdemeanor driving with
a gore or median or emergency lane, misdemeanor duty upon
striking a fixed object, misdemeanor driving on the wrong side
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of the roadway, and a misdemeanor licensed to be carried
and exhibited on demand, which means he didn't he didn't
have his license correct that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I don't know. That's way too inside lingo for me.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Exhibited on demand. I would think he'd get it or
some sort.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Of papers, whether it was licensed registration.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Okay, so that equals ten goodness gracious. It says he
was bonded out of jail on that Saturday after getting
booked at two of five the same day. He was
out at nine point fifteen, So in the morning, nine
fifteen at night. I'm sorry. The car crash was in August,
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by the.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Way, Oh okay, got it.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
That was But this one I think he did. He
hit four different cars. What is the deal with this?
Somebody said he was on prescription drugs at the time.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, I could see it.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
That's troublesome.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That is very troublesome. I mean he looks. I mean
no offense to Buff love. Buff had many a laugh
at Buff. He looks, he looks terrible.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
He looks different his picture. When I saw his picture,
I didn't even think it was him. I was like,
do they have the wrong picture? Up didn't even look
like him to me.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
But carned me and John very badly at a at
a show. Oh do tell the story, and ended the
relationship with Buff. He just told Shenanigan's about hotel rooms
and flights and transportation after everything was already taken care of.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Oh so being a diva.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Last minute, no, the last minute it was, you know,
he had to fly his girlfriend with him. We would
that was not a part of the deal. He needed
he needed the flight paid for. Then he needed to
upgrade his room. He needed the room paid for. And
it was like, you know, buff, like you were so cool,
literally up until it was time to say goodbye. You
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could have said this two hours ago. We could have
worked on it or something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Did you not fulfill his needs?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
We had to take care of because there was still
another booking to go to.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Ever see, I would have said, no, you're done. It
was about flying your girlfriend in.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
We gave I think we know we gave him half.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
In the meantime, how about flying my family and and
putting us up at Walt Disney World.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
The whole thing was go in. He was supposed to
go in and out same day. Okay, he's gonna be
going late late night flight flight back to Georgia. How
did you know did a very convincing story about and
I want to stay in the hotel room by himself.
You know has a fear about that because of things
that have happened to the boys. Blah blah blah. All right,
we get it. Changed the flight brought the girlfriend, needed
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the girlfriend's flight paid for, then had to upgrade his room,
had to get the upgrade paid for. So we had
to meet him in the middle kind of thing, and
did this as we were saying goodbye to go meet
him at the next booking that we had that night.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeh, didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
No, and stuff like that will not get you booked.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I haven't worked with him since, no, I know. And
he looked great. He was buff. That was in twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen. Yeah, great. He was ripped. He was painting
on his hair. He looked like buff painted on his
It was. It was hot as balls was August. He
kept on wiping the brow, checking the hair, making sure
the hat was on it. He was. He still looked
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exactly like buff. That guy in that picture.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Troublesome. It makes me sad to see, like all these
people who are just falling apart, you know it just
and I don't know him. I don't know him. I
might have met him once, you know, but I don't.
I don't know him well at all. But just you know,
the brotherhood of the wrestling world. It just makes you
(25:15):
sad to see, like when people do that to themselves,
so it's it's sad to uh to read articles like that.
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, you know what's interesting with him though, And I think,
especially in my case in dealing with him, I just
feel like I'm one in the many that he's probably
done that too. Oh yeah, and burn bridges across the way,
so who wants to book him anymore? And then he
was because he was clean, presumably he had just had
shoulder surgery. I mean again, he looked great. He looked
like how he did on TV in the nineties. He
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looked awesome, and that was only five or six years ago. Yeah,
and I think in those last five or six years
he's just burned bridges and he's just kind of got
a bad reputation. And he still thinks it's nWo flying
first class everywhere he goes, and oh, I'm serious, I
really think that. And when that stopped and people didn't,
(26:06):
he just kind of crumbled. He fell apart. There's a
ton of interviews. I know you're gonna be doing a
Hannibal interview. He did an interview with Hannibal that I
think was the first little crack in the armor, exposing
what's going on? He sounds like he's blasted out of
his brains.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I you know, I honestly feel like a lot of
the boys can't let go. Yeah, they think it's still
their heyday, and you know, like we're not on TV anymore.
We're not in our twenties and early thirties. You know,
(26:44):
we're in our late forties, fifties. Some of them are
in their sixties. But they still feel like they need
to live that rock star lifestyle. And it's hard because
when this is all you've ever done with your life,
it's hard to go to like something normal and get
like a normal job. And it burns me up when
(27:06):
fans are like, oh he works at Target. Now, Oh
he's a garbage man. Oh he you know, he does
something other than wrestling, like beneath them and I always say,
what is wrong with that? They're providing for their family,
They're working. It's a job, Like stop, you know, what
(27:26):
is your job? What do you do for a living?
That's so glorious that you have to make fun of
somebody for working at a target or being a sanitation worker.
Anybody who has a job providing money for themselves and
their family is okay in my book. You know, I
feel like there's so much pressure to just maintain that,
(27:49):
and now it's considered like a fantasy anymore, because we're
not the people that we were twenty years ago, just
an image of them. Some of us are still hanging
on try to stay relevant. But with me, like I
found a common ground. I know I'm not the Francine
of twenty years ago. I get that, and I'm okay
(28:10):
with that, you know. And I do what I can
do because I'm having fun with it and it is
a job and I do make an income from it.
But I don't go out there, you know, thinking I'm
still the shit from nineteen ninety six. I know, I'm
forty nine years old. I'm a mother of two. You know.
My main priority in life is being a mother to
(28:30):
my children and taking care of my family. That's where
my mindset is at. The wrestling falls a very distant
second for right. And I do it because it's fun
and it does help with bills. But I have learned
to let go of that whole. You know, Oh, she's
(28:51):
the Queen of ature. No, I'm just the mom, you know,
I'm just the mom hanging out and if people want
to meet me, that's a bonus. But these guys go
to these signings and still demand this, that and the
other thing, and it's like we're past our prime. Like
you know what I'm trying to say, And I'm not
trying to really do I'm not trying to disrespect anyone,
(29:13):
but you have to look at it in real time
and not get into a time machine and pretend it's
twenty thirty years ago. Can't look at it that way.
That's not the way I look at it. And I
feel like people would live a better life if they
could just separate that in their minds, you know what
I mean. And I know people have demons, and I'm
(29:35):
blessed that I never fell down that rabbit hole with
like drugs and alcohol and stuff like that. It's terrible.
Addiction is a terrible thing, but a lot of these
guys that's all they know. And it's like that movie
The Wrestler when you see him sitting there and one
or two people come to the table and it's just
(29:55):
him looking around. That broke my heart. Yeah, that was
so hard to watch, and I told myself, I will
never get to that stage. And it's it's it's just
sad because a lot of guys are there.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, don't let go. If you go back to when
The Wrestler came out two thousand and six issue or
something or two and whenever, it was the conventions that
were about ten years prior to that movie coming out,
is exactly what that movie looked like. By that point.
It evolved a little bit. That was a little more
of a dramatic take. But if you went back to
(30:28):
looking at the guys that were at the audio not
even conventions, they were more just card shows, and you'd
see them, Yeah, you'd see the older guys and you'd
see they're walking with Caine, they got the prosthetic leg,
they got this, but they're the old old timers. That's
what that movie portrayed. But what it also portrayed was
exactly what you're talking about. The guys that he looked
(30:49):
how he looked in that movie, The Long Hair, the Tan.
He was still doing this and he's walking through his job.
He's walking through the what are you the meat department
and he comes to like he was walking through the entrance.
I thought it was so well done and give you
a real look into real life that it kind of
hit home, I'm sure for more people in your generation
(31:09):
and a little bit before you and your generation, not
the old old timers that were old timers when you
broke in. Those are the guys that I think they
were kind of portraying in that one, you know, autograph
show scene.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, it's just it's heartbreaking to watch, you know. And
it might be different for me because I am a
female in the business, and you know, I have other
things going on, and it wasn't my lifelong dream to
be in professional wrestling, So it's you know, I'm not
at the same level as the other guys with the
(31:42):
mentality of the business. Right. I always knew there was
something more for me in life than just wrestling, and
that was to have a family. And you know, for me,
like if I never did another convention again, I'd be okay,
it wouldn't kill me. I do enjoy I do enjoy
meeting fans and stuff. But like I tell you all
(32:04):
the time, I pick and choose where I want to go.
My time with my family is way more important and
I'm not going to leave the house for a couple
hundred bucks. Like it's just and I don't mean to
sound like a dick about it. But that's just where
I'm at. And people want to pay, that's great. And
if they don't want to pay, understood, I'll stay home
and I'll enjoy my time with my family. That's where
(32:25):
I'm at.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I love that. I personally love that because that's the
priorities of life, and that's that's you know, it really
for me to hear that from you, I love to
hear it. It's like it's it's a real heartwarming thing.
But I remember just going back to real jobs. Let
me ask you this, if you if you were in
a position where you had to work, right, you had
(32:48):
to work, but you still had yourself out there. You're
still doing conventions, are you know shot in an Indian
you know, just appearing, not not wrestling, but appearing. Yes,
would you hide but you did from your job, your job?
Would you, like I'm saying, if you had a job,
would you try to hide the wrestling side of your life?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
You know I've said this before, like I never talk
about what I used to do unless it's necessary. When
I started with a chiropractor, I had to tell them
what I did because I was so messed up. And
it's you know, oh I fell down the stairs.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, they thought you were a crash dummy before you.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
There were so much wrong with me, so I had
There's certain things that I had to tell certain people.
But like I told you countless a number of times
when my children were in school and I volunteered and
I practically lived at the school, I never once mentioned
what I did. You never know what that other person
is thinking, you know. And I don't like when people
(33:49):
look at me funny or judge me for what I've
done in the pan, Like I would probably just keep
my mouth shut, and if somebody had mentioned it they
recognized me, then you're like, because there's.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
That one guy who's just like this at you, staring.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
You know. I'm not one to say just say it.
I just keep it under wraps, and if it came up,
it came up. But I'm blessed because you know, I
don't have to go and get a desk job or
work retail or anything like that. I'm married to a
(34:24):
man who has a very very good career, and I
work because I like to help and I like things
for myself, and I don't want to go to my
husband and say, hey, can I have fifty dollars because
I want to buy some makeup or can I have
this because I want to dress? No, I want to
work and I want to buy it myself. And I
don't want to bother anybody. You know, I want to
earn my own money. But I do. You know, Like
(34:46):
this year that just passed, I gave a considerable amount
of money towards Disney, and I was proud of that
because I worked hard for it and I was able
to pay and get us a nice trip. And that's
what I like to do. I like to contribute, and
I do it when I can. But I'm sorry, I'm
not going to leave my house for some shitty offer.
It's not happened. And a lot of guys have to
(35:08):
do that because this is their bread and butter. You know,
I understand not everyone can hold out for the number
that they want because they have to pay their bills.
I get it. That's why I'm lucky enough to be
in a position where I can hold out and if
I don't want to go, I just simply don't go.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
They turn it down. They might not get something to
work that weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
No, and then what do they do? You know that
those are the men who have nothing to fall back.
One who didn't you know, didn't save their money. They
need to eat, they need to pay pills. I understand that,
you know, But they're also part of the group that
(35:49):
can't let go and who feel like, I'm not going
to get a job. They don't want to. I don't know.
So I've heard some guys say that's beneath me. I
was on. Yeah, I was that, and I'm just like, oh,
you know, And if that's the mentality, then so be it.
If you like hustling and getting out there every weekend.
Because some of the boys are addicted. It's like a drug.
(36:12):
They're addicted to the business, you know what I mean.
But are you addicted to these shit paydays that you're
getting and they can't help it. You might get an
offer for two fifty one weekend and then twelve fifty
the next weekend. It's it's crazy how it fluctuates. Yeah,
and some of these guys they don't they don't have
a choice to turn it down. They have to go.
(36:34):
I understand that, but I just for me, it's that's
not what I that's not what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
So I remember, you know, gosh, fifteen years ago whatever
it was, and it was very public at the time,
and it was around the time I was going to
shows with them. But when PJ was working for the
Olive Garden or he had, I don't know how that
got out. Somebody saw him working for Olive Garden and
it was, oh, why he works in a restaurant? Actually
(37:01):
know when I knew him, he worked as he worked
for Target, Okay, and he quit that job because somebody
recognized him. But it's the thing about Olive Garden that
was a big slap in the face and why I
lose a lot of respect for fans that say these
kinds of things. He wasn't working at the Olive Garden.
He was in like an executive chef program. He was
studying to be like, what the hell? But he stops
(37:25):
working at Olive Garden now because of this. It was
ridiculous and I just and that that's to me. There's
a clip of Rick Flair talking about Shane and Shane,
you know, being the same thing, Shane being in in
a management program and Rick Flair buries him, and that's
well with Rick Flair, okay, because.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
That's why between the two, right, But that's.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
All he knows. Rick Flair doesn't. He doesn't know what
it's like to have to go out and really fight
for whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Guess what Rick Flair is blessed Rick Flair and to
have all of these opportunities and to get paid an
absorbent amount of money to make these, you know, these
shots that he's able to make. And you know, if
we could all be like Rick Flair, whoa we'd be,
it'd be great. But you know we Shane and I
(38:15):
have had this discussion. Rick Flair is great at what
he does. There are so many people in this industry
who are getting paid thousands and thousands and thousands of
dollars to make these appearances. The people that come from ECW,
there's one or two that I can think of that
are making really top money on the andes and then
(38:39):
the rest are just doing what they need to do
to get by. And like Shane said it best, he
goes like, you know, we were at the top of
our game in ECW, like what Flair was to WWF,
Shane was to ECW. So Shane should be getting these
top paydays, right, you know what I mean? It's like
(39:01):
I don't know, and that's why that's my whole thing, like,
if you don't like what you're being offered, just don't
take it. But then again, you you know, these guys
need to work, so if another offer doesn't come in,
you stay home that week and you don't make any money.
It's such a double and sword and I'm so blessed
that I don't have to deal with that bullshit. You know,
(39:23):
I pick and choose and I'm able to do so.
But a lot of the guys aren't, and it sucks.
And I know a lot of these promoters are basically
fans who get a couple you know, bucks in their
pocket and think they could run this huge show and
it turns out to be a flop. And then some
of the boys get stiffed on pay and you know
they don't have a deposit. It's a bullshit market anymore.
(39:49):
I don't like the way things are being ran. I
got an offer the other day. The guy accepted my price,
no problem, blah blah blah. As soon as we mentioned
a deposit. Because I don't know who this man is,
I said, you have to get me a deposit. Ghosted
us goes and I'm just like, why did you even
approach me? And and you know your price is great. Yeah,
(40:11):
we can do that.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And then you know they want to pay you off
the gate that they you're not going to do that.
Think they're doing well. I'll tell you why guys are
starting to wave deposits.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Well, guess what I'm not. And no, unless I know you,
If I don't know you, I need a deposit because
I'm not going to show up at your shitty show
where you draw twenty seven people and have you cry
me your river or how you can't pay me. You know,
it's never happened to me before, but there's always a
first and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna let it happen.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Oh I've heard, I've heard some story.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Oh yeah, me too. Keep your shitty pay day. I'll
stay home, I'll do Twitch. I'll do Twitch, have fun
out of the comfort of my own home, and I'll
make a couple bucks on Twitch. I'd rather do something
like that than deal with the headache of having to
deal with these people because no one knows what they're
doing these days.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
No, no, no, not at all. But I've heard some
of the old timers, the guys that you know are
out there, a lot are stopping with deposits, and they're
just because they know you know.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
They know you.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah. No, they're just waving waving it now and they're
just going right to the show. And no, that's it.
And I was shocked to hear that because I'm so
used to it, you know, from running all the conventions
and stuff. You know, I didn't book you for our convention,
but you were booked by DAB. But for everybody else
that you know, everybody got a deposit, everybody across the board.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Now on the other way, there's only a hand not
even a handful. I can count on two fingers who
I will work for without a deposit. There's two people.
You're one of them, Yes, Chad's the other one. Everybody
else deposit or my ass stays home. And I'm okay
(41:56):
with that. I don't care. I don't care anymore. I
love meeting you, but under this, you know, these circumstances,
it's not worth it. My anxiety is like here anyway,
when I'm on.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
The road, it aout. I've heard stories from guys that
have had to go. Either they locked the promoter in
the room until he gets sent their money, or they
go all right, let me look around like, I'm gonna
take that laptop there, I'm gonna go. I stand, I'm
gonna take a lot of shit that you got out there.
All those WWE toys that you're selling, those are all
(42:29):
coming home with me.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
But it's works and doesn't get paid. What kind of
job works where you don't get paid like that? It
blows my mind. This industry is so crooked and backwards
that we have to struggle to get paychecks when we're
providing you a service. Oh just all right, attentional promoters.
(42:52):
If you don't have money, stay to hell home, don't
call us, don't and and don't. Yes, it's to death,
and then go. That's like, just leave us alone.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
I got to get that name from you later. It's
just so I know, to be a word.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, well I should ask him right now, but I
will not do it.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I know you're you're a classy lady, so you will.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
But I was just like, are you kidding me? Like? Ugh?
So I will be more than happy to just work
with people that I trust and then stay home and
do everything else from here and do my kids, because
that's what I love.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
And you know what I love too, The fact that
you didn't think we'd fill this hour just literally and
then this is what I love. See, it's just natural conversation.
We were talking about Buff. Bagwell, Buff, clean yourself up
and get back to being the stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, Buff, Yeah, you're you're the stuff. You're but now
you're just rough. So let's go.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
You signed all the pictures that day. Buff is still
the stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Oh. I hope, I we you know, we wish him
the best. I hope he gets his life back together.
But I hate to exactly, I hate to see these
stories about the boys. It's just very, very troublesome to me.
I don't like it. So get well soon, Buff.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
That's right, Buff. Let's move on to the rest of
the week. Here kind of in the vein of wrestling.
It can be wrestling, it could be television, it could
be music, it could be whatever. There's been a lot
of talk about things starting over again, what's old is new?
We're gonna talk about reboots and covers. Oh, now you
were part of a reboot that necessarily we maybe so
(44:24):
exactly so think in that kind of vein of reboots
and covers. Covers usually in terms of music fifty to
fifty they could be good they could be real shit.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Okay, So we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Talk about reboots and covers. We're gonna do kind of
to watch along Scinuce, I have a YouTube clip that
I want you to watch. Accuser of the Brethren. Mean
is that it is this lady going ape shit in
a Walmart, yelling at some guy, cursing at him in
a whole like, you know, professing the Lord to this gentleman,
(44:56):
but cursing up a storm. And I left my off
when I watched it. So I just want to see
what your reaction is gonna be, you know, and what
you would do in this situation if you saw this.
So it's kind of like a bonus, a little watch
along thing the world Star it could have been, but
it's more of like just watching some crazy lady lose
her shit one more.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
It's known for that, So I like these videos.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Okay, And then how about this for your match? How
about this? Ready? I dug in for this one. Shane
Douglas with Francine Louis Spoli from Hard TV.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I love them.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Great match, great match, great match.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, Louis was one of a kind a.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Lot of chance.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
So we're gonna towards the match, So we're gonna need
your deciphering of the ECW Arena crowd. This is from
This was recorded September fourteenth, ninety six. Broadcast September seventeenth,
ninety six.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
So that's what we're doing on Patreon. If you want
to follow me, it's at Chad E and B. If
you want to go to my website, it's Ibexclusives dot com.
Been working out of the lot, getting very web savvy
and making it look really cool. I have a lot
of stuff that I got done. Just worked with one
of your Philadelphia Philly greats, Bobby A. Bray You Yes, yeah.
(46:13):
My brother traveled down to Orlando and we did the
signing in Orlando this past week. It was excellent. Fans
turned out and droves to send items in. Go to
my website, I'd be exclusive dot com and see what
else we have for you. You're a fan, check it out.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Awesome Okay. As always across the board, you can find
me at ECW DVA Francceine. On social media, I am
on Twitch. Come watch me play poker and do other things.
It is www dot twitch, dot tv, forward slash ECWDVA
Francine also on cameo. If you need anything from there,
(46:53):
you could always book on Twitter and with that that
is a wrap.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
H h. I'm Chad. By the way, that's the queen
(00:33):
of Extreme Francine. I couldn't hear her and she can't
see me. We're like a perfect like Helen Teller.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Duo. Oh god, now that's so terrible. Din't say you
didn't stay done it? You know what I think happened? Uh?
I had to get a separate place for my what's
this called set up my computer?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Hard? No, what's it called? Not a PC? Not a
not I mean not a what was it desktop? Desktop? Say?
This is ella savvy I am. Because I wanted to
stream poker on Twitch, so we had to buy a
doppel Is that what that's called. We had to buy
a piece to add to uh, you know, so they
(01:20):
can see where I live because you know, gambling is
only legal in certain states or whatever. And I was
able to stream last night, which was a success. It
was lots of fun and great and all that stuff.
But for some reason, it lagged me out of everything.
So like when I tried to get into my email
like it's as we need your password, I was like,
I forget it. I'm trying all these passwords and it
(01:43):
kicked me out of my Twitch you can't. It kicked
me out of all my accounts and it messed with
my microphone.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That was quite the technical infrastructure you had to tackle
right before we started. But I'm gonna give you credit.
You did a great job. I can hear you crystal clear.
I was going deaf while you were doing it because
it was it was like shocking me in my ears.
I had to put my headphones like this. But you
didn't give yourself a hand, all.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Right, I will thank you. Yeah. You know, Hubbs is
the tech wizard and he's not here and I'm just alone.
So I'm just trying to click different buttons and unplug
things and plug them back in. And I think I
did it correctly.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So so does this poker? Does this open up a
new world for you? Now that you have this thing
to track your gambling?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It opens up a new world on Twitch? Because I
was kind of looking for something else to do on there,
and I was like, okay, so I do an aaw
watch along. I answer questions all the time like it's
just chatting whatever. I took them poolside. They seem to
have liked that a lot, but I was.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Like, I why, I can't imagine why.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And then I tried gaming, you know, and that's okay.
And I said, well, I play poker anyway, and I
really enjoy it. Why don't I just throw it on
twitch and see if it sticks? And I did a
tournament last night and I actually finished in the money,
which was fun. But I was on there for like
three and a half hours, and you know, I have
(03:17):
to I think I have to play earlier in the
day because that's a long stretch for me. But it
was good and I enjoy it, and I'm gonna venture
out and try that from now on, so it's something
to add to what I do.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I saw your tweet and I was like, this is
like past bedtime here now.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I was sitting. I was literally yawning, and I'm like,
I'm so sorry. It's not you, it's me. It's just
and I was I wanted something to drink, but I
didn't want to leave. You know, I wasn't prepared. I
didn't bring anything with me. I brought like two SIPs
of a ginger ale and that did not last for
three and a half hours. So I was parched. I
(03:59):
was hungry, which it didn't let me snack, which was
good because sometimes I'll go and I'll get a little
snacky poo late, and that's not good. So I did
snack last night, but I was exhausted. I was tired.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Did you see cards in your head all night? Like
numbers and cards?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yew? I just you know. I My problem is I
just need to slow it down because early on I
had pocketjacks and the other guy I thought was just
being a turd and he was raising and I'm like, oh,
he's probably got ace king he's got nothing. And here
he caught something like on the turn or the river,
(04:37):
and if you don't know what this is, look it up.
But Chad looks like he's very confused.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, we put our cards over. I was in the lead,
and then the guy caught something as the cards flipped,
and so I lost and I had to shoot another bullet,
which means I had to pay another ten dollars, so
I actually bet twenty and one back thirteen and change.
So I took a six dollars and changed loss. But
(05:05):
it was for twitch, so it was good and it's
building my hours up and hopefully I'll gain some new
poker people that didn't know me from wrestling, so I
don't know. I'm just trying stuff, you know me. I
just try until it works.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And then like two years you'll be on the celebrity
Poker Toy battling, you know, battling like you know, like
NFL greats and like you know, like former like singers
and stuff. And Francine sitting there with her poker face.
I wish we get your poker face. Let me see
a poker face.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well, you don't need a poker face online.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I just want to see your poker face. You have one.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, It's like this is it gonna call? Oh my god,
do I have anything? Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I have all the tails right on my face.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Being like I'm telling you, people wear like sunglasses, they
have a hoodie over them so you can't see anything.
And it's just like, I don't know. I get very
nervous when I play, and I need to just control
myself and calm down because I'm a decent play I know,
I wear a mask. I'm a decent enough player. I
(06:11):
know the rules and stuff. But I'm over zealous sometimes,
so I just need to slow it down a little bit. Yeah,
but I do enjoy it. So last night was a
lot of fun, and I think the people watching had
fun too, And I was I dropped some F bombs
and I know and I didn't mean to, and I
just kept going sorry, sorry, it was just not me.
(06:35):
But you tend to curse when you when you get
a bad beat sometimes.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So was it just a straight curse or combination word?
Was it like I used?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I used son of a bitch a lot. Yeah, I
was using that one a lot. I think I dropped
the F bomb two or three times, but I apologized
and everybody was laughing at me. So overall a great success.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Do you so, do you like completely, like hide cursing
from your kids as much as you can? Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
We talked about it before. But you know, just like
they if they say like any do they know like
X word is like a trigger semi curse word and
they stay away from it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, they don't curse. But once in a while, these
YouTube videos for kids will have cursing in it, and
I'll go whoa hey, and they'll go sorry. They freak
out on me. Like if I'm doing something in another
room and I say ship or something, I'll hear a
swear word. Swear word and I'll go sorry and don't
(07:39):
say that. Mom. I know that, I'm so sorry, but
like you hardly hear. Like we never say f in
front of the kids. It's we try not to, you know.
I try not to curse at all in front of them.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And that's the way to be. I agree, and I'm
I'm pretty good. Uh. Brie was watching something that the
table the other day and it said, like, what the hell,
and I go, what are you watching? And she goes,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I was looking off of it.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Then.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I'm not really sure what this is. But uh, I'm
just flabbergasted by the amount of cursing in these videos
that are aimed at kids. Yeah, and they should not
be on YouTube in my opinion. Maybe I'm just apprude,
but for you know, if you have younger children and
these are the kids who are clicking these links, they
(08:31):
why do they have to drop an F bomb or
say a curse word at all? It just I don't
get it.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It's an interesting little thing though, because I've seen it
more like penetrate, not just these kids videos and YouTube videos,
but journalism headlines, you know, more free to speak it
on TV and It's one of those things where it's
like these are still taboo words, and especially if you
read it in an article and then you just like this,
(08:56):
if it's an opinion piece and the journalist is cursing
in F bombs, I think it kind of takes away
the credibility of the piece because if you're needing an
easier word, maybe getting a little more creative and think
of something that could fill in the blank.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You know, it's funny too because like a lot of
wrestlers who use profanity, I've heard time and time again
people say, well, they're only using it to get cheap heat.
They only curse to get cheap heat, you know. And
sometimes it is appropriate and other times it's overkill. So
you got to pace yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, I mean, I've had that conversation with Shane, and
he's the one who i'd put at the top of
my head of work. But he and I have had
that same discussion of certain places it doesn't belong. It's
different in the entertainment realm. You read a book and
there's an F bomb, it's like, all right, it's part
of the story. You're watching a movie, there's an F
bomb that's part of the story wrestling. Wrestling could be real,
(09:50):
So there's part of the story. You drop an F
bomb and makes it that much more, you know, like impactful.
But you're just reading a story, you know, especially like
you know they're in the the Trump presidency. You just
see journalists dropping F bombs and you know, ship and this,
and then it's like that's easy way out of writing
an article or writing a piece. And I just I
don't like, I personally don't like to read that stuff.
(10:12):
Not to say it's not just with him, it's with everybody,
but I just I hate that person.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, I don't know. I just I look back on
some of the promos that I did, and I'm like, oh,
I shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
If they if they removed the word bitch from television,
for you, you would have like two words that I'm joking.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I'm joking.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I'm joking. I was talking with somebody this week and
we were we were discussing a few weeks ago, how
you and I were saying, you know, wouldn't it be
funny if WWE bought Disney or Disney bought w WE
bean WWE at Hollywood Studios. Well, this week they had
a shitload of cuts.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I don't know if I saw now, wasn't it the
was it the iconics or was that the prior one?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That was the prior one. They did less of the
talent releases this time, and more of the corporate releases
this time, and just straight up virons and they clean house.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Wow, So numbers must be really bad, because oh.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Numbers are good. They're keeping them up. They just felt
some of the positions were redundant.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I mean money wise, because it's I mean usually they
do these budget cuts every year and they get rid
of a whole lot of people every year, and I
honestly feel like coronavirus just cut into their budget terribly.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't know, Uh, you know, personal heat between the
workers and like the the higher ups. Like somebody said
that Kevin Dunn hated the one iconic Billy Kay and
I'm just like she was so over. Like that group
to me was like so over. What was it? Personal beef?
(12:01):
Like what is getting in the way. It just I
don't know, I don't get it. I can understand money wise,
but when you go after like people that are really
good for the company, hard working, getting over doing their
job well, and then you just get rid of them.
That's why I always said anyone is replaceable. Yeah, you know,
(12:24):
they just don't care. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And the iconics, I mean, I gotta tell you, probably
not replaceable immediately, because where are you gonna find two
Australian Wells that are a team together that managed to
have their unique ability to get heat and then become
very love But they're from Australia. You would think that
that's a box that's not gonna come along every five minutes.
(12:48):
Two Australian girls that you could pair together like that.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
They'll they'll just give that gimmick to someone else. When
we had Jazz on you remember what she said, she
came up with a tremendous storyline and they loved it
and gave to someone else and it was her idea.
And it's like, are you kidding me? Like I just
I don't know, I don't know. It just makes me
happy that I'm not involved in that world anymore because
(13:12):
it's so frustrating, Like I could just imagine those poor
girls and the guys is just frustration.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It doesn't look like the same business when you watch
it on television anymore. And I just got done watching
what we're gonna watch for our watch long. I watched
the lead up, you know, the show going into the match,
and it just does an uneasy w being separately and
it's all cool entity. It just doesn't look like you're
watching the same thing anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, you know, I don't watch, so I'm not. I'm
always told you I'm not missing anything. I'm just not.
It makes me sad though, because I was such a
huge fan back in the day and now I could
care less and I couldn't care less rather is the expression,
but it's it's terrible. It's terrible to feel that way.
(14:00):
And I used to get excited for wrestling. I used
to I used to run to my girlfriend's house to
watch raw because I didn't have cable. Nine o'clock at night,
I would run the street watched her, you know, to
watch an hour's worth of wrestling because I couldn't see
it on mye And that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Was technically during a down period.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well for me, that was that was like my that
was my Monday was complete. I just had to have
that that hour wrestling and I was all week. It
was a build up. I looked forward to the next
that's so awesome. Yeah, and that's not that's not here anymore,
Like there's I don't crave it anymore, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And that to me doing that New Generation era podcast
that I do, you know, it's it's basically we're talking
about shows that were an hour and how much they
crammed into that hour. Never never a loss for a minute,
but to see how stuff developed, see how it played out,
you couldn't miss it because it was that one hour
a week that you had to get in and locked in.
(14:59):
And and it's like, I'm not saying go back to
an hour. You guys had an hour, and the you
know it did you know the for the most part,
right almost all up until TNN, right, it was.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
No, we had an hour. We had an hour.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
They didn't extend. No, you got an hour TV, and
look how much you guys got done. And that to
me is the beauty of it. And that's why I said,
it's not the same kind of business. When you put
on a wrestling show, it just doesn't and sports entertainment whatever,
it just it doesn't feel the same.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Also, I feel like when you extend it to two hours,
three hours, whatever it is, it's a lot of filler.
It's a lot of stuff that fans are going to
go to the bathroom, go make a sandwich, go get
a drink because they don't care about it. It's a
lot of talking, unnecessary talking. It doesn't mean as much anymore,
and it just it just bothers me because I want
(15:51):
to love it. I want to. I want to have
my DVR loaded and sit down on a Saturday afternoon
and want to watch it. But I don't. Yeah, I
just don't. And that again, it's nothing against the workers.
The workers are tremendous and they can do some great things.
It's just the product itself that turns me off right now.
(16:14):
I don't think I'll ever be a huge fan again.
I really don't. Plus I'm older, there's different things going
on in my life, you know what I mean. Like
some people say, oh, I've grown out of wrestling or whatever,
and some people have been lifelong wrestling fans and they're
struggling with today's product. You know, when I do the
watch alongs, there's one guy in there who is absolutely
(16:37):
every week punked. I think it's Sam. I think his
name is Sam. He's a twenty year old kid, absolutely
loves the product. And while the chat's going on. Everybody's
asking me questions about eastw Sam always comments about what's
happening on AW every single week, and I'm just like,
(16:58):
Sam's pumped, He's ready to go. He loves this stuff.
He's like, I just love wrestling, and I wish I
was there and I used to be there like twenty
something years ago, but I'm not there now.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So it's crazy. It's just crazy. I mean, you know,
and that's you from studying the business, me as a
fan and having worked in production and around the guys,
I feel the same way. So I think it's just
the era and that's it. The era is done. But
here's the other side of it. This is better for
(17:30):
you in the long run because people are going to
be clamoring to see the older stars, and I think
that the vintage stuff is what is really going to
carry the history of wrestling now. Is anything basically before
twenty ten is really now. I think is going to
be more in demands of the conventions, and from what
I've seen about the conventions that have happened, the one
(17:52):
you went to and there was another one since people
are coming back.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, yeah they are.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well, people want to get out, but I think that
the product is causing people to want to go see
the older stars too.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
That could be it. I still think everybody has cabin
fever and they just want to get the hell out
of it else, you know. But yeah, I I don't know.
It's it's you either love it right now or you don't.
There's really no middle ground. You know, You're either all
in or you're just you're just changing the channel. And
(18:26):
most people are changing the channel these days. So I
think it'll be better once uh, you know, the fans
start to come back to these shows and there's live
audiences again, and especially for the workers, like we've said
it time and time again, it's so hard to work
in an empty arena, you know, And and I tip
my hat to them, especially if you're a heel working
(18:47):
off no energy whatsoever. So I feel like, at least
for the workers, momentum will go up because the crowds
are coming back. So that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, Jesus, they're going to go house show touring again. Wow,
that's like house show business was down in the pits
before coronavirus and now it's like a twenty five city
tour they announced, And I gotta be honest with you,
that's all they should announce. They shouldn't pick up all
those little shows because that's what drove the business model down.
Keep them in the big areas well.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I'm sure they're happy with, you know, the paychecks that
they're going to get, because their pay is going to
go up. But it's just what a weird, what a
weird year it's been.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Let me ask you a question. Do you think buff
Bagwell was wearing his mask when he got pulled over
the other day?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I think buff Bagwell was wearing it over his eyes
because this guy great segue, by the way.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, let me do my buff thing.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, oh there you go. Well, look and you got
the high and the glasses you are. That's right, a
dead ringer for mister Bagwell. Former w W WCW star
Marcus buff Bagwell arrested on more than ten charges.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Ten that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
That's a that's like, that's like a year's worth of rest.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Let's what we call, let's what we call in my neighborhood,
a shitload.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So buff is now fifty one years old, was involved
in another car crash. I suppose. Uh. And they're saying,
let me see, was this When did this happen?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
This was like, uh, we're recording this Friday. I think
this was Monday or Tuesday. This dropped.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Okay, So here are the charges. Misdemeanor driving under the
influence of drugs, misdemeanor open container violation for misdemeanor, charges
of hid and run, misdemeanor speeding, misdemeanor failing to yield
when entering an intersection, misdemeanor giving false name or address
(20:56):
of birthday to law enforcement officer.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Three Scotty Riggs, how you doing no?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I love Scotty Riggs. Three charges of following too closely
and a misdemeanor reckless driving and a misdemeanor driving with
a gore or median or emergency lane, misdemeanor duty upon
striking a fixed object, misdemeanor driving on the wrong side
(21:23):
of the roadway, and a misdemeanor licensed to be carried
and exhibited on demand, which means he didn't he didn't
have his license correct that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I don't know. That's way too inside lingo for me.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Exhibited on demand. I would think he'd get it or
some sort.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Of papers, whether it was licensed registration.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Okay, so that equals ten goodness gracious. It says he
was bonded out of jail on that Saturday after getting
booked at two of five the same day. He was
out at nine point fifteen, So in the morning, nine
fifteen at night. I'm sorry. The car crash was in August,
(22:05):
by the.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Way, Oh okay, got it.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
That was But this one I think he did. He
hit four different cars. What is the deal with this?
Somebody said he was on prescription drugs at the time.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, I could see it.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
That's troublesome.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That is very troublesome. I mean he looks. I mean
no offense to Buff love. Buff had many a laugh
at Buff. He looks, he looks terrible.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
He looks different his picture. When I saw his picture,
I didn't even think it was him. I was like,
do they have the wrong picture? Up didn't even look
like him to me.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
But carned me and John very badly at a at
a show. Oh do tell the story, and ended the
relationship with Buff. He just told Shenanigan's about hotel rooms
and flights and transportation after everything was already taken care of.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Oh so being a diva.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Last minute, no, the last minute it was, you know,
he had to fly his girlfriend with him. We would
that was not a part of the deal. He needed
he needed the flight paid for. Then he needed to
upgrade his room. He needed the room paid for. And
it was like, you know, buff, like you were so cool,
literally up until it was time to say goodbye. You
(23:20):
could have said this two hours ago. We could have
worked on it or something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Did you not fulfill his needs?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
We had to take care of because there was still
another booking to go to.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Ever see, I would have said, no, you're done. It
was about flying your girlfriend in.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
We gave I think we know we gave him half.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
In the meantime, how about flying my family and and
putting us up at Walt Disney World.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
The whole thing was go in. He was supposed to
go in and out same day. Okay, he's gonna be
going late late night flight flight back to Georgia. How
did you know did a very convincing story about and
I want to stay in the hotel room by himself.
You know has a fear about that because of things
that have happened to the boys. Blah blah blah. All right,
we get it. Changed the flight brought the girlfriend, needed
(24:07):
the girlfriend's flight paid for, then had to upgrade his room,
had to get the upgrade paid for. So we had
to meet him in the middle kind of thing, and
did this as we were saying goodbye to go meet
him at the next booking that we had that night.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeh, didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
No, and stuff like that will not get you booked.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I haven't worked with him since, no, I know. And
he looked great. He was buff. That was in twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen. Yeah, great. He was ripped. He was painting
on his hair. He looked like buff painted on his
It was. It was hot as balls was August. He
kept on wiping the brow, checking the hair, making sure
the hat was on it. He was. He still looked
(24:49):
exactly like buff. That guy in that picture.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Troublesome. It makes me sad to see, like all these
people who are just falling apart, you know it just
and I don't know him. I don't know him. I
might have met him once, you know, but I don't.
I don't know him well at all. But just you know,
the brotherhood of the wrestling world. It just makes you
(25:15):
sad to see, like when people do that to themselves,
so it's it's sad to uh to read articles like that.
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, you know what's interesting with him though, And I think,
especially in my case in dealing with him, I just
feel like I'm one in the many that he's probably
done that too. Oh yeah, and burn bridges across the way,
so who wants to book him anymore? And then he
was because he was clean, presumably he had just had
shoulder surgery. I mean again, he looked great. He looked
like how he did on TV in the nineties. He
(25:45):
looked awesome, and that was only five or six years ago. Yeah,
and I think in those last five or six years
he's just burned bridges and he's just kind of got
a bad reputation. And he still thinks it's nWo flying
first class everywhere he goes, and oh, I'm serious, I
really think that. And when that stopped and people didn't,
(26:06):
he just kind of crumbled. He fell apart. There's a
ton of interviews. I know you're gonna be doing a
Hannibal interview. He did an interview with Hannibal that I
think was the first little crack in the armor, exposing
what's going on? He sounds like he's blasted out of
his brains.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I you know, I honestly feel like a lot of
the boys can't let go. Yeah, they think it's still
their heyday, and you know, like we're not on TV anymore.
We're not in our twenties and early thirties. You know,
(26:44):
we're in our late forties, fifties. Some of them are
in their sixties. But they still feel like they need
to live that rock star lifestyle. And it's hard because
when this is all you've ever done with your life,
it's hard to go to like something normal and get
like a normal job. And it burns me up when
(27:06):
fans are like, oh he works at Target. Now, Oh
he's a garbage man. Oh he you know, he does
something other than wrestling, like beneath them and I always say,
what is wrong with that? They're providing for their family,
They're working. It's a job, Like stop, you know, what
(27:26):
is your job? What do you do for a living?
That's so glorious that you have to make fun of
somebody for working at a target or being a sanitation worker.
Anybody who has a job providing money for themselves and
their family is okay in my book. You know, I
feel like there's so much pressure to just maintain that,
(27:49):
and now it's considered like a fantasy anymore, because we're
not the people that we were twenty years ago, just
an image of them. Some of us are still hanging
on try to stay relevant. But with me, like I
found a common ground. I know I'm not the Francine
of twenty years ago. I get that, and I'm okay
(28:10):
with that, you know. And I do what I can
do because I'm having fun with it and it is
a job and I do make an income from it.
But I don't go out there, you know, thinking I'm
still the shit from nineteen ninety six. I know, I'm
forty nine years old. I'm a mother of two. You know.
My main priority in life is being a mother to
(28:30):
my children and taking care of my family. That's where
my mindset is at. The wrestling falls a very distant
second for right. And I do it because it's fun
and it does help with bills. But I have learned
to let go of that whole. You know, Oh, she's
(28:51):
the Queen of ature. No, I'm just the mom, you know,
I'm just the mom hanging out and if people want
to meet me, that's a bonus. But these guys go
to these signings and still demand this, that and the
other thing, and it's like we're past our prime. Like
you know what I'm trying to say, And I'm not
trying to really do I'm not trying to disrespect anyone,
(29:13):
but you have to look at it in real time
and not get into a time machine and pretend it's
twenty thirty years ago. Can't look at it that way.
That's not the way I look at it. And I
feel like people would live a better life if they
could just separate that in their minds, you know what
I mean. And I know people have demons, and I'm
(29:35):
blessed that I never fell down that rabbit hole with
like drugs and alcohol and stuff like that. It's terrible.
Addiction is a terrible thing, but a lot of these
guys that's all they know. And it's like that movie
The Wrestler when you see him sitting there and one
or two people come to the table and it's just
(29:55):
him looking around. That broke my heart. Yeah, that was
so hard to watch, and I told myself, I will
never get to that stage. And it's it's it's just
sad because a lot of guys are there.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, don't let go. If you go back to when
The Wrestler came out two thousand and six issue or
something or two and whenever, it was the conventions that
were about ten years prior to that movie coming out,
is exactly what that movie looked like. By that point.
It evolved a little bit. That was a little more
of a dramatic take. But if you went back to
(30:28):
looking at the guys that were at the audio not
even conventions, they were more just card shows, and you'd
see them, Yeah, you'd see the older guys and you'd
see they're walking with Caine, they got the prosthetic leg,
they got this, but they're the old old timers. That's
what that movie portrayed. But what it also portrayed was
exactly what you're talking about. The guys that he looked
(30:49):
how he looked in that movie, The Long Hair, the Tan.
He was still doing this and he's walking through his job.
He's walking through the what are you the meat department
and he comes to like he was walking through the entrance.
I thought it was so well done and give you
a real look into real life that it kind of
hit home, I'm sure for more people in your generation
(31:09):
and a little bit before you and your generation, not
the old old timers that were old timers when you
broke in. Those are the guys that I think they
were kind of portraying in that one, you know, autograph
show scene.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, it's just it's heartbreaking to watch, you know. And
it might be different for me because I am a
female in the business, and you know, I have other
things going on, and it wasn't my lifelong dream to
be in professional wrestling, So it's you know, I'm not
at the same level as the other guys with the
(31:42):
mentality of the business. Right. I always knew there was
something more for me in life than just wrestling, and
that was to have a family. And you know, for me,
like if I never did another convention again, I'd be okay,
it wouldn't kill me. I do enjoy I do enjoy
meeting fans and stuff. But like I tell you all
(32:04):
the time, I pick and choose where I want to go.
My time with my family is way more important and
I'm not going to leave the house for a couple
hundred bucks. Like it's just and I don't mean to
sound like a dick about it. But that's just where
I'm at. And people want to pay, that's great. And
if they don't want to pay, understood, I'll stay home
and I'll enjoy my time with my family. That's where
(32:25):
I'm at.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I love that. I personally love that because that's the
priorities of life, and that's that's you know, it really
for me to hear that from you, I love to
hear it. It's like it's it's a real heartwarming thing.
But I remember just going back to real jobs. Let
me ask you this, if you if you were in
a position where you had to work, right, you had
(32:48):
to work, but you still had yourself out there. You're
still doing conventions, are you know shot in an Indian
you know, just appearing, not not wrestling, but appearing. Yes,
would you hide but you did from your job, your job?
Would you, like I'm saying, if you had a job,
would you try to hide the wrestling side of your life?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
You know I've said this before, like I never talk
about what I used to do unless it's necessary. When
I started with a chiropractor, I had to tell them
what I did because I was so messed up. And
it's you know, oh I fell down the stairs.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, they thought you were a crash dummy before you.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
There were so much wrong with me, so I had
There's certain things that I had to tell certain people.
But like I told you countless a number of times
when my children were in school and I volunteered and
I practically lived at the school, I never once mentioned
what I did. You never know what that other person
is thinking, you know. And I don't like when people
(33:49):
look at me funny or judge me for what I've
done in the pan, Like I would probably just keep
my mouth shut, and if somebody had mentioned it they
recognized me, then you're like, because there's.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
That one guy who's just like this at you, staring.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
You know. I'm not one to say just say it.
I just keep it under wraps, and if it came up,
it came up. But I'm blessed because you know, I
don't have to go and get a desk job or
work retail or anything like that. I'm married to a
(34:24):
man who has a very very good career, and I
work because I like to help and I like things
for myself, and I don't want to go to my
husband and say, hey, can I have fifty dollars because
I want to buy some makeup or can I have
this because I want to dress? No, I want to
work and I want to buy it myself. And I
don't want to bother anybody. You know, I want to
earn my own money. But I do. You know, Like
(34:46):
this year that just passed, I gave a considerable amount
of money towards Disney, and I was proud of that
because I worked hard for it and I was able
to pay and get us a nice trip. And that's
what I like to do. I like to contribute, and
I do it when I can. But I'm sorry, I'm
not going to leave my house for some shitty offer.
It's not happened. And a lot of guys have to
(35:08):
do that because this is their bread and butter. You know,
I understand not everyone can hold out for the number
that they want because they have to pay their bills.
I get it. That's why I'm lucky enough to be
in a position where I can hold out and if
I don't want to go, I just simply don't go.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
They turn it down. They might not get something to
work that weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
No, and then what do they do? You know that
those are the men who have nothing to fall back.
One who didn't you know, didn't save their money. They
need to eat, they need to pay pills. I understand that,
you know, But they're also part of the group that
(35:49):
can't let go and who feel like, I'm not going
to get a job. They don't want to. I don't know.
So I've heard some guys say that's beneath me. I
was on. Yeah, I was that, and I'm just like, oh,
you know, And if that's the mentality, then so be it.
If you like hustling and getting out there every weekend.
Because some of the boys are addicted. It's like a drug.
(36:12):
They're addicted to the business, you know what I mean.
But are you addicted to these shit paydays that you're
getting and they can't help it. You might get an
offer for two fifty one weekend and then twelve fifty
the next weekend. It's it's crazy how it fluctuates. Yeah,
and some of these guys they don't they don't have
a choice to turn it down. They have to go.
(36:34):
I understand that, but I just for me, it's that's
not what I that's not what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
So I remember, you know, gosh, fifteen years ago whatever
it was, and it was very public at the time,
and it was around the time I was going to
shows with them. But when PJ was working for the
Olive Garden or he had, I don't know how that
got out. Somebody saw him working for Olive Garden and
it was, oh, why he works in a restaurant? Actually
(37:01):
know when I knew him, he worked as he worked
for Target, Okay, and he quit that job because somebody
recognized him. But it's the thing about Olive Garden that
was a big slap in the face and why I
lose a lot of respect for fans that say these
kinds of things. He wasn't working at the Olive Garden.
He was in like an executive chef program. He was
studying to be like, what the hell? But he stops
(37:25):
working at Olive Garden now because of this. It was
ridiculous and I just and that that's to me. There's
a clip of Rick Flair talking about Shane and Shane,
you know, being the same thing, Shane being in in
a management program and Rick Flair buries him, and that's
well with Rick Flair, okay, because.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
That's why between the two, right, But that's.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
All he knows. Rick Flair doesn't. He doesn't know what
it's like to have to go out and really fight
for whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Guess what Rick Flair is blessed Rick Flair and to
have all of these opportunities and to get paid an
absorbent amount of money to make these, you know, these
shots that he's able to make. And you know, if
we could all be like Rick Flair, whoa we'd be,
it'd be great. But you know we Shane and I
(38:15):
have had this discussion. Rick Flair is great at what
he does. There are so many people in this industry
who are getting paid thousands and thousands and thousands of
dollars to make these appearances. The people that come from ECW,
there's one or two that I can think of that
are making really top money on the andes and then
(38:39):
the rest are just doing what they need to do
to get by. And like Shane said it best, he
goes like, you know, we were at the top of
our game in ECW, like what Flair was to WWF,
Shane was to ECW. So Shane should be getting these
top paydays, right, you know what I mean? It's like
(39:01):
I don't know, and that's why that's my whole thing, like,
if you don't like what you're being offered, just don't
take it. But then again, you you know, these guys
need to work, so if another offer doesn't come in,
you stay home that week and you don't make any money.
It's such a double and sword and I'm so blessed
that I don't have to deal with that bullshit. You know,
(39:23):
I pick and choose and I'm able to do so.
But a lot of the guys aren't, and it sucks.
And I know a lot of these promoters are basically
fans who get a couple you know, bucks in their
pocket and think they could run this huge show and
it turns out to be a flop. And then some
of the boys get stiffed on pay and you know
they don't have a deposit. It's a bullshit market anymore.
(39:49):
I don't like the way things are being ran. I
got an offer the other day. The guy accepted my price,
no problem, blah blah blah. As soon as we mentioned
a deposit. Because I don't know who this man is,
I said, you have to get me a deposit. Ghosted
us goes and I'm just like, why did you even
approach me? And and you know your price is great. Yeah,
(40:11):
we can do that.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And then you know they want to pay you off
the gate that they you're not going to do that.
Think they're doing well. I'll tell you why guys are
starting to wave deposits.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Well, guess what I'm not. And no, unless I know you,
If I don't know you, I need a deposit because
I'm not going to show up at your shitty show
where you draw twenty seven people and have you cry
me your river or how you can't pay me. You know,
it's never happened to me before, but there's always a
first and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna let it happen.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Oh I've heard, I've heard some story.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Oh yeah, me too. Keep your shitty pay day. I'll
stay home, I'll do Twitch. I'll do Twitch, have fun
out of the comfort of my own home, and I'll
make a couple bucks on Twitch. I'd rather do something
like that than deal with the headache of having to
deal with these people because no one knows what they're
doing these days.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
No, no, no, not at all. But I've heard some
of the old timers, the guys that you know are
out there, a lot are stopping with deposits, and they're
just because they know you know.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
They know you.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah. No, they're just waving waving it now and they're
just going right to the show. And no, that's it.
And I was shocked to hear that because I'm so
used to it, you know, from running all the conventions
and stuff. You know, I didn't book you for our convention,
but you were booked by DAB. But for everybody else
that you know, everybody got a deposit, everybody across the board.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Now on the other way, there's only a hand not
even a handful. I can count on two fingers who
I will work for without a deposit. There's two people.
You're one of them, Yes, Chad's the other one. Everybody
else deposit or my ass stays home. And I'm okay
(41:56):
with that. I don't care. I don't care anymore. I
love meeting you, but under this, you know, these circumstances,
it's not worth it. My anxiety is like here anyway,
when I'm on.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
The road, it aout. I've heard stories from guys that
have had to go. Either they locked the promoter in
the room until he gets sent their money, or they
go all right, let me look around like, I'm gonna
take that laptop there, I'm gonna go. I stand, I'm
gonna take a lot of shit that you got out there.
All those WWE toys that you're selling, those are all
(42:29):
coming home with me.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
But it's works and doesn't get paid. What kind of
job works where you don't get paid like that? It
blows my mind. This industry is so crooked and backwards
that we have to struggle to get paychecks when we're
providing you a service. Oh just all right, attentional promoters.
(42:52):
If you don't have money, stay to hell home, don't
call us, don't and and don't. Yes, it's to death,
and then go. That's like, just leave us alone.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
I got to get that name from you later. It's
just so I know, to be a word.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, well I should ask him right now, but I
will not do it.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I know you're you're a classy lady, so you will.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
But I was just like, are you kidding me? Like? Ugh?
So I will be more than happy to just work
with people that I trust and then stay home and
do everything else from here and do my kids, because
that's what I love.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
And you know what I love too, The fact that
you didn't think we'd fill this hour just literally and
then this is what I love. See, it's just natural conversation.
We were talking about Buff. Bagwell, Buff, clean yourself up
and get back to being the stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, Buff, Yeah, you're you're the stuff. You're but now
you're just rough. So let's go.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
You signed all the pictures that day. Buff is still
the stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Oh. I hope, I we you know, we wish him
the best. I hope he gets his life back together.
But I hate to exactly, I hate to see these
stories about the boys. It's just very, very troublesome to me.
I don't like it. So get well soon, Buff.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
That's right, Buff. Let's move on to the rest of
the week. Here kind of in the vein of wrestling.
It can be wrestling, it could be television, it could
be music, it could be whatever. There's been a lot
of talk about things starting over again, what's old is new?
We're gonna talk about reboots and covers. Oh, now you
were part of a reboot that necessarily we maybe so
(44:24):
exactly so think in that kind of vein of reboots
and covers. Covers usually in terms of music fifty to
fifty they could be good they could be real shit.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Okay, So we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Talk about reboots and covers. We're gonna do kind of
to watch along Scinuce, I have a YouTube clip that
I want you to watch. Accuser of the Brethren. Mean
is that it is this lady going ape shit in
a Walmart, yelling at some guy, cursing at him in
a whole like, you know, professing the Lord to this gentleman,
(44:56):
but cursing up a storm. And I left my off
when I watched it. So I just want to see
what your reaction is gonna be, you know, and what
you would do in this situation if you saw this.
So it's kind of like a bonus, a little watch
along thing the world Star it could have been, but
it's more of like just watching some crazy lady lose
her shit one more.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
It's known for that, So I like these videos.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Okay, And then how about this for your match? How
about this? Ready? I dug in for this one. Shane
Douglas with Francine Louis Spoli from Hard TV.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I love them.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Great match, great match, great match.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, Louis was one of a kind a.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Lot of chance.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
So we're gonna towards the match, So we're gonna need
your deciphering of the ECW Arena crowd. This is from
This was recorded September fourteenth, ninety six. Broadcast September seventeenth,
ninety six.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
So that's what we're doing on Patreon. If you want
to follow me, it's at Chad E and B. If
you want to go to my website, it's Ibexclusives dot com.
Been working out of the lot, getting very web savvy
and making it look really cool. I have a lot
of stuff that I got done. Just worked with one
of your Philadelphia Philly greats, Bobby A. Bray You Yes, yeah.
(46:13):
My brother traveled down to Orlando and we did the
signing in Orlando this past week. It was excellent. Fans
turned out and droves to send items in. Go to
my website, I'd be exclusive dot com and see what
else we have for you. You're a fan, check it out.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Awesome Okay. As always across the board, you can find
me at ECW DVA Francceine. On social media, I am
on Twitch. Come watch me play poker and do other things.
It is www dot twitch, dot tv, forward slash ECWDVA
Francine also on cameo. If you need anything from there,
(46:53):
you could always book on Twitter and with that that
is a wrap.
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