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August 26, 2025 • 47 mins

This week on Eyes Up Here with Francine: chaos erupts as Raja Jackson’s shocking shoot attack on Syko Stu at a Knox Pro event goes viral across social media. Plus, why did WWE have to reshoot a Logan Paul/John Cena segment on SmackDown? Francine and Chad break it all down.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M hm h m hm hm.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hey everyone, it pleased queen and stream Frank, you are.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Missing the eyes of prepic.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
I mean I harbor network or podcast because always I
am ploying.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
About my girl's channel.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Friends again, what are you looking at?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
You looking at me?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I was looking at the volume. But are we friends
again or what?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
No?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Man got a little heated last week, didn't it? Little bit?
Little bit?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I just wish that everybody gave me a fair shot
and we.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
All just get along. I mean, is it that hard?

Speaker 4 (01:06):
I will say, wait, I will say about ninety seven and.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
A half percent of our listeners side it with me,
So what does that?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Of course they did, what does I tell you? Of
course they did, But I just wish they gave me
a fair shot. But you know, again, like I watched
it at least five times, and I was just like,
you know, I really didn't have a bad argument. Listen,
I didn't have a bad argument. But it just went
off the rails. No, no, no, no, no no, I'm not
trying to open a can of words. I'm just saying
I didn't have a bad argument. It just went off

(01:36):
the rails really quick.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Well, because your response was just insensitive.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
And I mean I had to like justify I had
children in the comments of YouTube, like I had to
go ahead and a live.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
I love my kids.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
No, it was you know, I get passionate sometimes and
you know how to push my butt man, and I'm
sometimes but you know me, like, I don't I say
what I feel. I'm not scared to uh express my

(02:14):
opinions and to tell people what I think. And if
I don't like you, I don't like you. And if
I don't like something, I'm going to say it. And
you pissed me off. And if you don't know what
we're talking about, go back to last week and check
it out. Because this guy of the Year man punishable

(02:35):
face face is so punchable.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I mean, you know again I had the first time
I heard that said to me.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
So listen, clean Slate. It's a new week, it's a
new show.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
I don't know if we're going to fight about any
topics tonight, but we'll see what happens. So actually to
many going in blind because the two things that we're
going to talk about, I don't know either of them.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
And so this is.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
This is going to be like a reaction video for
me because I I was away this weekend and and
before we start, thanks to Nick at Captain's Corner, we
had a very successful, uh successful virtual last night. We're
recording this on a Sunday, So Todd Gordon and myself

(03:26):
worked for about two hours with the Captain and we
had a good time. So Nick, thank you so much.
Can we wait to work with you again? And thanks
to everybody who watched and who purchased stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
So good time.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Absolutely, yeah, I've checked it out. Saw some singing, saw
some signing. Looked like a good time had by all.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
It was fun and I was completely sober. I had
water how that? How about that?

Speaker 4 (03:53):
See I'm a party, whether I'm sober or whether I'm innipriated.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
You know, it's just I loved Nick going through the photos.
Francine one, Francie two, then ten minutes later Francing seventy six,
Francing seventy photos.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
And one of them sold out. So thanks to everybody
who purchased. But yeah, we had a good time. So
it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Let me let me ask it. How is kissing an
eight by ten?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
It's so passionate?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Do you do you have to did you have to
chop chap stick?

Speaker 1 (04:21):
It?

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Up afterwords.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yes, I loob up after every kiss like I did
about ten kiss prints, and you.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Have to reapply. I call it lubing up the lips.
You know, you reapply every time.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
The card I get card is small. There you go.
But the eight by ten like you had to get
You had to get that one on there.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
I was to get on there.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
You got to pick a good spot, you know, because
it's a lot bigger the card.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
You only have so much room.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
But you know it's and I'm pretty sure I came
up with that idea not only to kiss the card,
but why not kiss a photo?

Speaker 3 (04:57):
You know?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
That was that That's quite the innovative creation that that's
been very popular. I can definitely I know when that
came about. That's a that is I'm going to give
you the nod on that one. I think you might
be right, yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
So anyway, what do we got going on?

Speaker 4 (05:15):
I hear there's two big stories that are looming and
we need to talk the talk about them.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
So well, this one is just crazy in terms of
what happened in the ring uh and it involves the
son of Mma Legend Rampage Jackson and his son Rajah Jackson,
and it took place at a Knox Pro Wrestling independent

(05:43):
event on Saturday night. Again, you said we're recording this
on Sunday, So it took place last night at an independent event.
And I was kind of watching this unfold and real
time online on X and what happened is still kind
of being like un act. But there was an incident
in the ring where Raja and we'll play all this,

(06:07):
I'm just gonna build up what happened. Uh, Raja was
involved in a somewhat of an angle with another wrestler
named Psycho Stu in another part of this show, and
Raja was supposed to have another interaction with Psycho Stu
and kind of just go in and like take him

(06:30):
down and that kind of be it. Well, that's not
what happened on this show. And I will play you
the video, and I have to tell you this is
one of the most graphic, just unadulterated sick beatdowns to
ever take place in a pro wrestling ring.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Like does it? Is it up there with Mass Transit.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
So whereas Mass Transit was bloody and you know, literal
like lacerations and stabbings, this is beating with weapons because
just like his father. Raja is a mixed martial arts fighter,
so he's trained these things. When you become a trained fighter,

(07:19):
these things aren't fists anymore. They become weapons. Uh, you
got it. Well, I'll play it all. But the whole
thing is just it's again, as we're unfolding it now,
is just strange because this was being streamed on an
app called kick So we saw a lot of what
was going on backstage with like people kind of riling

(07:43):
Rajah up, and the incident with Psycho Stu not really
being explained properly to Rajah and what was supposed to
happen afterwards really got taken out of context. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
So let me just ask a couple of questions. So first,
the Rajah kid, is he green?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
He's not a wrestler, he's a mixed martial art.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
He's okay, So is he like a celeb or something that's.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
So this is like, yeah, this is like a celebrity
belved in a wrestling event.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
So he has no idea about the business. He doesn't
know a work from a shoot apparently correct. He's going
in the ring thinking that you need to really beat
people up, like mma fighting.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
He's you know, he was given some indication of what
to do and what I guess what part was worked.
But again, you know, this is a guy who's a
trained fighter, and if you're not used to what the
wrestling world is and you're giving this guy something to
do on a show, and the earlier part of the

(08:56):
day is where we have to unpack. He felt disrespected
by an earlier segment they had. So there is a
segment they had for this Knox Pro Wrestling where Psycho
Stu hit him in the head with a beer can
and psychos Stu didn't feel he sold it correctly and

(09:20):
was mad and felt that Raja was disrespecting the business.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Now you left that part out, so we need to know, right, this.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Is where I'm trying to explain how all this stuff
comes about, right, Yeah, So this is where the incident happens,
is that Raja went into business for himself, getting his
revenge for being called out for not knowing what to
do when he got hit in the head with the
beer can, because that was a little stiff.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
So they so basically they're doing two different segments. They
were out there twice.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I'm not even sure where the hell, they did this.
I think that this was a cant beer can thing.
I think might have even been before the show like
it was.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Oh maybe it was a tape segment for something or yeah, okay,
all right, so that makes more sense.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
So they worked together earlier that happened. Uh, the Roger
kid doesn't know how to sell because he's not a worker.
Nobody smartened him off how to do it. And instead
of this guy telling him, hey, you know, this is
how we do it here, he took a different approach

(10:34):
and kind of healed him on it, and he got
mad at him for the way he approached him.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
What you're telling me? Okay, so now I have a backstory.
Now I need a backstory to everything.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
That takes us to the actual incident. Yes, okay, where again,
this is all being streamed? Can we know they're there
that is streamed as well. I've had a little trouble
trying to catch that one. Again. We don't have That's
the only one I can't find at the moment. Okay,

(11:10):
I have everything else to include, and actually, you know what,
if we go in order. This is another thing that
kind of popped up, and it was a clip of
a wrestler. I wish I had the name of this wrestler.
Hold On, let me bring this.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Up because you you know, you think.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
With somebody who's not familiar with the business and that's
coming in kind of blind to it, you would think
that whoever is paired up with them would explain to them, Hey,
I'm going to hit you with said beer can. Once
I hit you with it, you need to act like
you just got hit by a truck or you know

(11:55):
what I mean, Like, why wasn't there, Like where was
the communicator? Why didn't they go over and teach this
guy how to sell exactly?

Speaker 3 (12:07):
I don't That's what's missing here.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
So all right, so check out this. So this is again,
this is all being streamed, and this is now the
next part that Lee is before the incident.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Before he goes out. Okay, correct, held On, Remember what
I received? Hear that you know what a receipt is,
give him his receipt.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Okay. So that's so that's what he's being told backstage.
So he gets hit in the head with the beer
can and it was a little stiff, So he's being told,
you know what the receipt is, give him his receipt.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Well, if the beer can was stiff, but he nos
sold it.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Then he comes to the back and he complains about
it being stiff, but he didn't sell it for him.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Is that am I? Is that right? Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (13:02):
You are?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, you're correct, because when I saw the beer can hit,
I was like, really didn't do much with it. It's like
it didn't really like, it didn't move him. He didn't
really like, he didn't he didn't fall over. It was
just like he got hit with this beer beer can.
The beer went flying, and I was like, that was
very awkward. But I guess it was supposed to have

(13:24):
a little bit more impact. He was supposed to sell
it and he didn't. But then I guess he felt
it was too stiff.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
I mean, I don't I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
So really what this is is this is so far.
What this looks like to me is an indie that
shouldn't be bringing in anybody from the outside. Just stick
to your indie guys. That's what it feels like to me.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
It feels like to me that there's no communication in
the locker room, and that is anybody established that they
even understand that you have to go over things with
somebody that isn't in the business and hasn't.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Been trained to work, Like are they all green?

Speaker 5 (14:07):
Like?

Speaker 3 (14:07):
What is happening here?

Speaker 2 (14:08):
This is a pretty respected indie, Knox Pro.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
They know better.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, Jacob Fattu came out of Knox Pro.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Okay, let me see what's going on because this, I mean,
I I don't everybody that I've ever worked with. I mean,
you sit down, you go over stuff, And if I
knew that somebody didn't know what our business was about,
I'd be sure to tell them to make it look good.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
So why wasn't that you know, talked about? That doesn't
make any sense to me. But let's watch the put
the clip on so I could see what happened.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Just give a sick.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
I mean, he could turn around and say the same
thing the MMA guy disrespected him by not selling it
if you think about it, right mm hmm. So So
why is that other wrestler kind of poking the bear
and telling him get out there and give him a receipt?

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Does he not like the other guy?

Speaker 6 (15:23):
I mean, this is oh god, okay, oh oh, oh

(15:47):
my god, not protecting himself.

Speaker 7 (16:02):
Look at us, Look at the locker room coming out
to stop him.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
He's not that guy. Huh.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
He's knocked out cold. People people thought he died.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
He took about eight blows to the face.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, people thought he They were using the phrase flat lined.
Really yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Now did he get up after that?

Speaker 2 (16:36):
He well, he had to get taken to the hospital.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
So they rushed from the hospital.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Oh, they got him out of there. Yes, hang on,
here's the next again, this is still being streamed. Everything's
still being streamed. Don't get it, don't know how, don't
know how this is all still so they get they
throw Rajah out right now, here's the next part.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
He been.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Filmed while he's on the phone. She pissed me off, though, Andre.

Speaker 8 (17:14):
I understand that they can't. He's fucking in the ring.
How about.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
I'll call you back later? He said, my bad? How
was his response?

Speaker 2 (17:37):
My bad?

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Well, first of all, how are we hearing what what
the other person saying?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I guess I don't know if you had a speaker, well,
I don't know that. I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Because he was on the phone. How How am I
hearing his conversation? Crystal clear?

Speaker 2 (17:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
And who was he just talking to?

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Look, he's talking to Andre who's andre don't know? Okay,
so yeah so he uh so he was seriously hurt.
Rampay's jackson had to get involved on his son's behalf.
He released his statement. He says, I want to clear

(18:19):
up misinformation about my son Raja. I've confirmed the wrestler
Stuart Smith aka Psycho Stuart, is awake and stable. Raja
was unexpectedly hit in the side of the head by him.
Moments before Smith's match. Raja was told that he could
get his quote payback in the ring. I thought it
was a part of the show. It was bad judgment
and a work that went wrong. Raja is an MMA fighter,

(18:42):
not a pro wrestler, and had no business involved in
an event like this. I don't condone my son's actions
at all. Wait, okay, no, no, no, that okay. He
suffered a concussion from sparring only days ago and had
no business doing anything remotely close to physical contact. As
a father, I'm deeply concerned with his health and the

(19:03):
well being of mister Smith. That being said, I'm very
upset that any of this happened, but my main concern
now is that mister Smith will make a speedy recovery.
I apologize on his behalf and to and to Kick
for this situation, because Kick, the social media platform that
was letting him live stream this, banned him for life.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
So the father just said that he his son was
unexpectedly hit on the side of the head with a
beer can that wasn't a cult.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Spot as far as I saw it was Yeah, like
what what?

Speaker 4 (19:43):
What are you releasing his statement when you don't you're
a wrestler.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
This guy was a wrestler. He knows that it's a work, right.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
So if if the thing with the beer can, I
I can't understand why this guy I would just go
up to him and just hit him for no reason
on the side of the head with a beer can
if it wasn't a called spot, and then he gets
upset when he doesn't sell for.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
It, So that tells me that they went over it.
That's what it sounds like to me.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I mean that's what I thought.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Because if if if he's upset that the kid didn't
sell for him, doesn't that tell you that they went
over it ahead of time and that he should have known. Yeah,
I mean that's the way I'm taking it. Unless I'm totally.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Know what why would the guy be telling him to
get a receipt in the in the back.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Because he hit him too hard apparently.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Right, So that's what I'm saying. So that's where I
think maybe Rampage shouldn't have waited.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Rampage is the Cavid I'm sorry, the dad that's right?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Well yeah, because I mean he's he's obviously booked for
this show.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Whether he got heard a couple of days before or not,
he still had the booking, so it was his call and.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Go right right, So okay, well, he looked like he
was healthy when he was throwing those punches, didn't.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
He He did to me, I mean, look, he whether
he had that concussion or not. You know, again, the
person filming on his side had a pretty damn good
view of what was going on, so they knew what
was happening spot wise, they knew where to be to
film for the Kick channel.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
So I mean what I'm wondering right now is when
he took him down, what spot was called? Like what
were they supposed to do because obviously it's not fifty
blows to the face, right, So like what in the
back was called to this Rajah guy?

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Like I think supposed to just be like a pull apart.
I think it was just supposed to be a takedown
and then a pull apart.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
So why didn't the guy that was on the underneath
the guy that got beat up?

Speaker 3 (22:11):
I'm sorry, I'm forgetting names left and right, like got
It's like, why didn't he as soon as he was
taking up, why didn't he cover up?

Speaker 4 (22:20):
He literally laid there with his arms on the mat,
face wide open, wide open for blues, like you see
somebody coming at you like that.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
My first thing in a real fight, I'm.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Either gonna throw a punch or I'm gonna cover up.
Why didn't he cover up?

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah? It's uh, I'm hanging on. I'm pulling it back up.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
What was supposed to happen here? If it was a
pull up part?

Speaker 4 (22:47):
He had no offense whatsoever, and he just like, let
this guy beat the piss out of him.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, when he's right about where is it? Right? When
he's here, Watch as soon as he lands right there,
look at his arms, I mean, yeah, right there. Why
didn't he just push him off?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Look, the guy's already got his hand back after.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Now boom, now he's out, he's done.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Okay, how many punches are free for that's like twelve,
that's like eighty seven punches.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
It was they said twenty two twenty.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Two punches or what do I say? Eight? In the beginning,
that was a lot.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
But I mean, like, you know, look at this, like Jeff,
look at this like little Jeff, hardy guy that runs
in just like he barely does anything. But he doesn't
do anything, but that guy does.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
He took him.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
That guy gets him off. Yeah, he gets in a
front face lock.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Honestly, after that first punch was thrown, they should have
came in. I don't know why they waited after twenty
two punches to get the guy off them, you.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Know what I mean, like talk about being late for
a save.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
I thought saman was in an entrance, you know, yeah,
trying to save his friends after eight minutes. But this
they're right there, one punch to the face. They should
have been on that guy and they should have had
him out of there. What were they thinking?

Speaker 2 (24:10):
I don't know. That's crazy, Yeah, it's insane. I was
watching that unfold in real time last night. It was
about eleven thirty ish, maybe maybe a little bit later.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
That should have never happened. Totally unprofessional, totally uncalled for
and I just I don't get it that.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I don't understand you want to you want to feel
for Psycho Stu even more?

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Oh god? What else? Is there a picture of him
in the hospital.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Psycho Stu is a army veteran suffering from PTSD and
he relies on pro wrestling as a way to escape
his personal struggles.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Well now he's Oh my gosh, well PTSD is going
to come back after twenty two blows to the head.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Don't you think that's crazy? I am infuriated.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
About the other guys in the ring not coming in
earlier to help him. They just stood there and watched
him get the shit knocked out of him.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
What kind of locker room is that? Am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Nook? How fast your locker room came to your defense?

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Oh my god, it I didn't even get nothing even happened,
Like I didn't get hit or anything.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
But they I mean, we watched that clip and they're
out there within eights you jump on, you're on that apron,
they're out there within eight seconds.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
I love my ECW family.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Yeah, and they're in the ring and they're just standing there.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
They could have been on that kid in two seconds.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
They could have jumped on him after when if I
would have seen this and I was in there, I
would have hooked his.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Arm or something right now, that never should have happened.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
That's yeah, that's again. Maybe they're afraid because he's a fighter.
Maybe maybe he's not being very friendly backstage and together
being if they're afraid of somebody who this is what
I feel like that Logan Paul. You know w W
E t KO new model is bringing is now these

(26:23):
indies are looking to bring in names like this for
an India event. You know, stop Logan.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Paul is he has it.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
He has the wrestling bug. He studied it, he trained
for it. He didn't just go in and not know,
you know, what to do. He knew what to do.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
He bad example on my partment to say him, I
mean like the streamer you know, having to that's I
met him. More like that, not not as in the
worker himself. He's a great how out.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
The guy from the rat the streamer from WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Oh speed, that guy. Yeah, a much better example.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
That's a better example. Him slapping Cody in his ear
and breaking his ear drunk.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Becaucott, Travis Scott.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Okay, that guy that's another example. You don't have people
come in and not smarten them up.

Speaker 6 (27:24):
You don't.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
You just don't. You have to.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
We're here to protect each other and to put on
a show for people. We're not here to hurt each other.
If he wants to do that, go back to m
m A. You don't do that stuff in wrestling. You
take care of each other. So with me not being
there to hear or to see what happened with that

(27:48):
beer can, I don't know if there's more to the
story that we're not getting, you know what I mean,
Like there there might be a tidbit that we missed
because we weren't there. We weren't in the locker room.
But still that gives that guy no.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Excuse to just pummel him the way he did.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
And the rest of the locker room is useless because
they're watching one of their own get beaten to a
bloody pulp And that's ridiculous. That should have he should
have never landed one punch, never, And you mean to
tell me they air that, and the people are in

(28:29):
the locker room and they have people in his ear
saying give him a receipt, give him a receipt. Are
they all in it on it and they want the
guy to get a receipt or does he have friends
in that locker room who are gonna help them? You
know what I'm trying to say that one cowboy guy
looks like he doesn't give two shits about the.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Psycho whatever his name is.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yah. I think he looks like a big douchebag right now,
But I think before then it was probably they were
just playing up whatever the eggle was gonna be. He
just looks like huebag right now.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Well, they made it into an angle, right.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
It was going to be. Yeah, it was supposed to
be this angle. But now it's a like a criminal.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
It's a shoot. It's a shoot angle. It's not even
a it's not a work anymore.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
It's like and and the fact that everything is being
streamed and everybody can hear every little bit, Like you
don't know what's fabricated.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
What to work, who's in on what?

Speaker 5 (29:26):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (29:27):
When you have the cameras rolling.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Like that, you really don't get a chance to like,
you know, smarten people up, like you're you can't. Uh,
everything's there, everything's visible, So you really can't work anything
because the fans can hear everything.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
So to me, it's it's just like the guys that
were in the ring, Like.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
How far do you let it go before it becomes
a shoot?

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Like you know what I mean? And and like I don't.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Know, I don't know how far that angle was supposed
to go.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
But he should know better.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
We don't punch each other directly in the face, you
know what, No, you don't do that.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
It's called a work punch. And if we were trained's.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Going to lead into the next segment, so continue.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Well, it's true, like I mean, anybody in that ring,
if you're trained and you see one blow, they should
have been on him and they should have gotten him
off of him right away right like it.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Just it just oh my god, it doesn't make any
sense to me. I feel so bad for that guy.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
If somebody lands one direct accidentally. Yeah, what what do
they say? You say?

Speaker 3 (30:55):
You say, take it easy? Like like I remember who
was she working with? I don't remember who he was
working with, but whoever it was, potatoed him. They shoot
punch right and Shane told him that's one, take it easy.
He did it again, and Shane whispered, that's two.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
If we go to three, we're gonna have a problem,
you know what I mean, Like, Okay, the first time
is in accident.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
The second time, what are you trying to do to me?
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
So sometimes you got to give them the iggy and say, hey,
you're a little stiff there. And sometimes you get carried
away in the ring, and sometimes you do get potatoed.
It happens, happens to all of us. But I don't
think we go out there with the mindset I am
legit gonna shoot on somebody.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
I'm legit gonna hurt you. It's just in the heat
of the moment.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Sometimes you throw a punch and maybe it lands a
little too close to you know, you get thrown off
or something, or things go awry all the time that
twenty two times to the face, that's not an accident.
That's intentional, and that should have been prevented. So that's

(32:08):
just my two cents. And again maybe I'm missing something
because I wasn't there, But just as you know, a
fan watching what transpired and went down, it just again
that's just part of the business that.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Shouldn't be happening.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
In this day and age, because if you get celebrities.
For people that are far into our business, you need
to sit them down and explain this is how we
do things here and if they don't get it, they
shouldn't be allowed in the ring, point blank.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
And that's a shoot.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
It's just the way I.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Feel, man, and that you know, that's part of the
reason why I don't want my kids in the business,
because this bullshit.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
It's not like it used to be. Man Like, everybody's
in business for themselves.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Everybody wants to look good and be store and blah
blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Uh huh No, I thank god my kids don't have
the itch. They don't even watch it. They don't even
want to watch it.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
You know, they're doing their own things. So I'm glad.
But like you know, you don't see this too much.
But when you do see it, it pisses me off
because that didn't have to happen.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
It was really it was uncalled for. Like, it's just
it's too much.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I don't know, way too much. But you made a great,
great segue. So from the shoot knockout punch to the
working punch. Okay, we've talked about the camera angles, we
talked about how to cover things up. This past week
on WWE television, there was a reshoot of sorts and

(33:57):
a very odd reshoot. And if you've noticed, or if
you've seen you you have. But John Cena and Logan
Paul are now in a little bit of a rivalry
that's building. Okay, And uh, there was a segment film
backstage on Monday and shown on Raw that I'm going

(34:19):
to play on the screen for you. Now, what happened
to brock lesnar Oh he's still around, but this is
like the in between. This is still the it's like
the in between filler John Cena feud. Okay, all right,
so take a look at this.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Okay, I just heard from broad plaster.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Oh good, Okay, what did you see?

Speaker 3 (34:52):
One more time?

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Absolutely, just one more time.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
I just said for broadcaster.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Oh you got some air on that one.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Okay, he got some air on that One's that aired
on Monday night Raw on Netflix. That was a live segment.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Oh yeah, okay, so it aired, sure.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
So it got some air. So explain what do you
mean by that?

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Well, I mean it was clear that there was no
connection with the face.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
He didn't really come close to him, so he got
a little bit of a breeze, he got some air.
I would have rather seen a forearm or something, because
if you're not good at throwing punches, at least with
your forearm, you can kind of connect and not hurt
the person. You can control the way you throw your

(35:53):
arm into somebody's face or body or whatever.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
But a punch if you're not, if you don't throw
a good, wor wreaking punch, it could really look bad.
So did this get a lot of backlash?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Well, let's take you to Friday Night's back down. Okay,
Friday Nights back Down. Here we go.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Sorry about the you I just head from brook last night.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Means Johnny, Johnny, Okay, we need medics.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
That looked much better.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
They've reshot the same segment but aired it on a
different show. Uh, like nobody said, like pretending like nobody
saw it on Monday. Right, that's I mean, look, that's
w W for you. That's brilliant. They make you you
never saw that on Monday. That never happened.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
But do you think they they did it from a
differ for an angle, just to make like the person
think that, oh it's it's the same, it's the same shot.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
But from a different.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Angle, like, because you know this time it was from
the back, right, So are we that stupid that we
have to believe that, oh it's just from another angle.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
It's the same thing.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
I don't even know how to justify. It's so dumb.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Herbage is different at the end with Logan walking off,
he wooed at a different time. He did something with
his arms at a different time, like you know, it's
not the same one, right.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, but it looked a lot better. It looked, it
looked great. So I mean, I don't know if they
just decided they played the wrong one Monday, if that
was it, If it's just the guy in the in
the truck hit the good point, Yeah, that's right, that's
a good point. Ye.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
If they shot it live, now they could have did
something that they called live to tap where that's.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
What I'm saying. Yeah, maybe the guy hit the wrong one.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
That might have been a live segment because you hurt
the crowd. Maybe maybe that was shot live.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
You know, it's just to me. I look, I've been
in attendance where they've had to reshoot things that didn't
go correctly. But yeah, it's hidden because you know, it
was a taping, so it's like, all right, you know
I watched there was one I can remember. It was
a tables match and it was I think it was
Triple H and maybe John Morrison was the opponent, and

(38:27):
the spot was supposed to be Triple H throwing Morrison
off the top rope through the table for the victory,
while Triple H threw him off the rope and he
overshot him and it like his hand hit the table.
That's how the table broke and they had to reshoot
the whole thing where they changed like the complete direction

(38:49):
where he was throwing them from. But they did that
in front of you, like okay, they're just resetting it.
Pretend like you didn't see that because.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
On TV or whatever for their tapes, it's gonna look.
I remember Sabou. We were I.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Think we were at the arena and he was doing
something where he had to like do it might have
been a springboard moon salt off the top, and he
fell while doing it, like he fell off the ropes
and you know, you get the fucked up chair or whatever,
and he just walked back in the ring, went back
did the second time and it was perfect and it

(39:27):
aired that way.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
They showed both never cut it out. People are human.
It happens.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah, you know, no one, nobody's perfect, So this kind
of stuff does happen. But I'm thinking if that if
Monday was a pre tape and it looked that bad,
they never would have shown it. They would have had
him do it over again. So that to me, that
tells me that was a live segment that was done.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Live that night.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Must have been, but it had to have.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Been because why would they have aired that?

Speaker 2 (40:01):
But why would the camera be in that spot if
that's where Logan was gonna come out with the with
the punch, So like whoever produced that just had them
all in the wrong spot.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
The second one was much better, and even if he
did miss on the punch, you can't tell because of
the way the angle was. The cameras can make or
break you. Yeah, honestly, like you get a good camera angle,
you can miss it by a mile, but it looks
like you.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Got not the fuck out. You know.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
It's it's very important to iggy the cameraman and let
them know where you're coming from. I told you before,
I was always pinching our camera guys to let them know,
like something's coming, you got to either get out of
the way or make sure you get this spot. Because
if somebody forgot to tell them something, they're not going
to get it. So even like before we would tape,

(40:57):
I would go up to like either Charlie or Ron
and I would say, hey, I'm going to do this.
When you see this, make sure you get this. Oh okay,
no problem, and you let them know, you know, because
not everybody does that, and sometimes they're not familiar with
what you're doing and they.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Might miss something, you know. So I tried to be
helpful when I could.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
That's very helpful. That's almost like, that's great. I would
like to predict. I tell you that we predicted John
Cena versus Logan Paul two years ago. Eyes up here.
The video is on our YouTube channel. We posted a
February ninth, twenty twenty three and picked it as a
WrestleMania match.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah, the fact that we're going to see it now.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
We were wrong about the WrestleMania match, but we were
right on the money with a feud with those two.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
I'm telling you, I love Logan Paul. More I see him,
the more I like that guy. So I am a fan.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
This is only going to help him. This is only good.
He's got ten dates left, they said after this passed
SmackDown ten dates, and Logan Paul's in the middle of that.
So I mean, look, if Sina, I mean he's put
over some guys in his time. If he can can
do business, he can make Logan Paul such a rock star.

(42:21):
If he put over Logan paula out. So we went
from a shoot killer punch to a phantom smoky. No,
missed him by a mile.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
That's all right, shit happens. What are you gonna do?
But the second angle was much better.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Wow, I missed the low while I was away from
my one day excursion, didn't I?

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We're doing a lot of different things with the channel.
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Speaker 2 (44:54):
Absolutely could have said it better myself. See, we got
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Now we didn't argue. This was a good one. Do
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