Sole Sisters: A Reunion of So Cal Val and Francine

Get ready for another unfiltered, no-holds-barred episode of Eyes Up Here with the Queen of Extreme herself, ECW’s Francine! This week, she’s joined by the always glamorous, witty, and insightful So Cal Val, former TNA Knockout and wrestling personality.

From their days in the wrestling business to behind-the-scenes stories, fan interactions, and life beyond the ring, Francine and Val dive into it all with humor, honesty, and a touch of sass. Whether you're a longtime wrestling fan or just love hearing from two powerhouse women in the industry, this episode is packed with nostalgia, insider tales, and plenty of laughs.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:32):
She is absolutely lovely. I've known her for oh my god,
I think it's like twenty years now, something like that.
But I'm excited to have her here pleading and gentlemen,
this is so Calval Hello, beautiful little girl.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm how loud, gorgeous she is.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Listen, I was just nice.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
To me already.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I was just, oh, hold on one second now, Christy,
ten dollars supersticker. Christy, thank you so much, dear to you.
You have two entries in the Charles Chip Jar. We
give out prizes on this show. So wonderful we are.
We are now willing to go.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
You're generous, You're a magnanimous superstar, mis friend, I'll tell
you that much.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Let me tell you something. I was just I didn't
tell the whole story, but I was just trying to
explain to Chad. I said, you know, I met Val
when she was a baby, and I said, I think
I told her you have you have to get out
of this locker room. Now, you have to run and
protect yourself. You were like sixteen years old when I

(01:36):
met you.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I was like maximum sixteen. Because you hear these wa
wew show excuse me. I've also done a company wawwew
going back that far, which, by the way, so great
to see you. I love you so much, Franny, I
love you. I love you so much. I'm so throwned
to be here. But yeah, I remember a story that
I always tell people, like how long you've been in wrestling?

(01:57):
And I'm like, a long damn time because one of
these shows, for example, you remember we went to Well
you guys went to Dave and Busters and the cab
had to drop me off early because I wasn't eighteen.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
To go in. Yes, and we would have got you
in well, hey, we would have got you in, Jamie.
Two dollars super child? Hello?

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Is that currency?

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Is that a five dollars currency? Sham?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Please, can we individually say a big happy birthday to Jamie.
We love Jamie.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, well, happy birthday, doll and we appreciate you coming
to see Valence supporter on my show, so thank you.
Thanks for being here, Jamie. Yeah, I would have smuggled
you in. You certainly didn't look sixteen.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
And listen, I think we should all be able to
play pinball when we want, and ski ball and whack
a mole without ageis people at David busters.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
I know they're listening. Why were we even there?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
It was after party. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
We didn't play pinball. I know we were the bar
the whole time.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Good for you.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
I would have got you in there, though I wouldn't
have encouraged you to drink because you were so young.
But you could have sat at the table. They had, like,
you know, appetizers, and you could have frolicked with us.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
But it wasn't. It was a firm eighteen and up
and you had to show an ID and I was
I was definitely under eighteen.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, you were a door. I think I met you
for the first time in Florida and an MLW show. Yep,
I'm pretty sure that was the night and you were
so cute and you I remember, like it was yesterday.
You came up to me. You were very timid, and
but then you got super loud and you were like

(03:40):
she was so quiet at first, and she goes, oh
my god, it's fran freaking fran freaking scene, she said,
And then I think you might have did this or
something to the equation I did.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
It was deservedly, so I'm still gonna do it right now.
It's just to deserved to stop, but she looked adorable.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
But I was like, honey, hell, how old are you?
And I think you said sixteen. I was like, no, no, no,
you cannot be back here for.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
He's like, where's your mother? No, she didn't say, one kid,
where was your mother?

Speaker 1 (04:08):
They're a guardian supervision anywhere. But you were working at
sixteen years old for the local local FEDS in Florida.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I was so basically okay, weirdly enough, I don't mean
to be like, it's my wrestling anniversary, but I always
just for my personal you know whatever. March thirtieth, two
thousand and two was the first time I did a
live wrestling show, and I sort of gauge it from
them because I go, you know what, March three or
two thousand and two, three days after my sixteenth birthday,
I was consistently doing shows. So for me personally, if

(04:39):
that doesn't register on anyone's you know radar, I don't
care for me personally, I go, that was my foray
into wrestling, and it hasn't stopped. Now at almost thirty
seven years old, so almost twenty three years now doing shows.
But that was like early Anaheim managing Scott lost and
Panoi Boy now known as TJ. Perkins.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So I did a few shows in so cal Then
when we moved back to Florida. We've lived in Orlando
before moved back to Orlando, Florida, I was looking up
like I thought I might have to wrestle, or maybe
need to wrestle. I didn't really want.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I mean very early on, I.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Thought I would probably have to wrestle because that's what
all the girls that I loved did. But I wanted
to be more of the manager. I wanted to be
a Tory.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Not Elita.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Does that make sense, Okay? And I looked up like
the Malinko school. And then people like Gabe Sapolski and
Salhamoi and Ron Nimi gave me opportunities, and Chris Carson
and SCW in small independent wrestling shows in central Florida
and also Tampa Saint Pete MLW. Also Court Bauer, one
of the first people that ever gave me an opportunity

(05:41):
was like, listen, I know you're young, but there's another
girl that's kind of doing like a raffle or like
like ring girl duties, and maybe you could have like
a little spat with her in cat fight, and that's
probably where I met you at MLW. But I want
to preface this. We're getting into so many subjects already.
I talk a mile a minute, so strap in laves
and gentlemen, I'll say something. Think you know this, but
let me explain France scenes in I'm gonna cry, I'm

(06:04):
so emotional. Let me explain fran scenes. Influential stuff on
my career. So when I first started doing shows, my
friend I was going to xp W and like so
Kel shows, there was a so Kel uncensored message board
and they said, who is this young girl that keeps
coming to the show? Who is this chick with the legs?
Because I were shorts, I'm very leggy, and what's up

(06:27):
Stacy Keebler anyway, that's anyway you.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Have lovely legs. By the way, well thanks, yes, both
of them.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
So I grew on myself both they're real. By the way,
they are real? Are they from a million dollars each?

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Each? No? Less from you?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
DLF Okay, listen, okay, thanks golf okye. So I was
doing my first shows in Anaheim, California, and the promoters,
you know, I met some of the promoters at xp
W My first show is Golden State Championship Wrestling in Anaheim, California,
out of flea Market. Love flea Market, no judgment. I
had a great time, bought some old school Triple H
T shirts. I was very happy. And the guy said, listen,

(07:06):
we want you to be like a cat fighting manager.
And I was like, oh my god, music to my ears.
I don't want to be some wrestler. I want to
be you know, the Stephanie and the cat and people
like that. And Tory, well, Tory was later I think,
and he goes, I want you to study for Ran
scene and Don Marie's cat fights, and my little green

(07:27):
ass went home and I ordered on eBay. I still
have my mother's house by the way, if I want
If you want proof, I can send it a couple
of weeks DHS tapes that have Fran scene and the
franch Fry. I call them the Fry Franchise Shane Douglas,
Fran Scene and the Franchise Shane Douglas, also Don Marie
and all the ECW stuff. And I studied you Miss

(07:49):
Franny and Don Marie and the cat fights and the
managerial aspect of wrestling. So that was literally my first
tape study was you, Oh.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Well, I'm flattered to hear that before this happened. Now
were you training, like, were you did they tell you? No?
No training?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
No? No, I mean I literally just I had a
friend that was, you know, watching wrestling with me. He
was about like in his thirties. I was again sixteen.
Another friend of mine was a girl that was about
maybe mid twenties, and we went to shows. The mom
was like, you know, you cannot go to shows about yourself.
These are you know, sketchy areas in LA, which they
were for those keeping squrt home. And I would go
with my friends and then one of them said, hey,

(08:31):
I know a promoter. And one of the earliest people
I managed also was Frankie Kazarian. So I started doing
small shows in southern California, but I really wanted to manage.
I was never training. I didn't really start training at
all until I got to Florida like maybe two years
later and think, and then it wasn't like, you know,
actual like I'm going to be a wrestler training And
I said to them, I'm like, I want to be
able to do mixed tags and take a bump believably,

(08:53):
but I didn't want to be, you know, a lita
or a jazz. That's just not in my nature whatsoever.
And I brewis like a peach.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Doctor's orders set me.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, I have a little surprise for you if you're
up to it. I believe this is one of maybe
a handful of matches that you had with yours truly
in W E W and we have it and yay,

(09:21):
if it's okay with you, I'd like to pull it
up and we could do a little commentating.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I would love to do this, you know. Can I
tell you if I get asked about this match a lot,
not monthly, not yearly. I get asked about it all
the time, and I do always say this was my
first ever real one on one match on pay per view.
And I totally remember telling you that because you were,
oh my god, people that are watching at home, Franny

(09:48):
was so beyond like I would say motherly but just
you know, you were just so nurturing and just so
we'll do this together, and you wanted to make it
a great thing, and you were so lovely with me.
And I said to you, I've never had a one
on one match. I probably had cat well, I definitely
buy them. I had had like cat fights and maybe
a mixed tag, but this is a totally different animal

(10:08):
to go head to head one on one in a
match that's live on pay per views, So that will
explain my lack of skill.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
And no, first of all, I feel like we get
asked about this a lot because we're barefoot. Yeah, I
think you know.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
What, for those watching you like what you like. I
ain't here to judge, no, not at all.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
I always that pretty tame.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Now when you get into some other weird stuff, which
I'm sure you've been requested as well, well, you know,
feet are nothing compared to what we get ask.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I'm like, out of all the fetishes, the feet are
just Now. I don't understand it because like my feet, Oh,
I think they're atrocious, but Wiki feet says different. I
got like a nine point five or eighting on Wiki feet.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
You know what, I think you should be proud. I
think it should be in your resume going forward.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah. Well maybe I'll update that and I'll add my
my foot. But yeah, but I remember Dan Kuaul coming
to me and he's like, okay, you and I we started.
You started as like my assistant. Yes, so we did,
and I wish, I wish I had that on the promo.
But this girl is so good in improv. We did

(11:17):
the promo where we were at this arena, but it
was like a busy for four lane street And I
said to Dan, wouldn't it be funny if, like we
start to walk across the street, but I make Val
carry all my bags and she starts to stop all
the traffic. Yeah, I did not expect her to run

(11:39):
in the middle of the street on like four lanes
of oncoming traffic. This girl is going stop, stop, and
she's got my bag. She puts the bag.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
You know who she is. Come on, this is extreme.
This is Francceine. Hold up, whatever you're doing, whatever you're
gonna rush for, it can't be more important than Francine.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh it's the best. I love that promo to day
if I think about it, I left my ass off.
But he said, you know, with the build up, we
were friends, we were rivals. We were friends, we were rivals.
This was to be you had did you at this
point take my position? And I was trying to get

(12:18):
it back.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
I think I was sort of getting too big for
my breeches as my grandmother would say, And I think
I so first of all, that that storyline, if I can,
if I can expound upon that was so fun for
me because it's like, it's not that far off because
I'm sitting here marking out and and you know, fangirling
over Fran scene. But it was so much fun, you know.
I That's why I love wrestling. I love the acting,
the improv, and it was so much fun to just

(12:39):
fan girl and just you know, be such a whatever
you need kind of a thing, and with the bags
and what you know. I was just so in awe,
which again was not that that off. That was so
much fun for me. And this I want to say,
you know, everyone that's watching these chime in or tweet
us later or whatever. But I think this was sort
of like the power was starting to ship that I
was getting, as it happens in these sort of storylines,

(13:01):
I was getting a little too much like, oh well,
maybe I'm on her level now and trying to like
take control of the company. So it's it's really an
all about Eve situation. If I can be an old
school Hollywood fan for a second, right.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Mm hmmm, yeah, yeah, Because I I think I was
the general manager and then I lost I don't know
how that my title was taken from me, and then
you became the general manager and this match was kind
of the see who was going to get the position. Yeah,
but I don't know why we had to be barefoot.
It's like one of the stipulations was we had to

(13:34):
be barefoot.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
I have no idea. And you know, we've had so
many funny conversations. We had it on Gatti you when
Francine was on, which is such a great episode. Honestly,
it's hilarious, and we've talked about it other times because
you know, Mickey was a part of you know, promotions
like that Lisa too, where you know, the sexual the
sexuality of it, you know, not not to be devian
about it, like and WW had their own kind of
like you know, things are a little more adult than
we would have cared for. But again, no judgment, it's fine,

(13:57):
But for me, I think they'd wanted to add kind
of like sexy element of the barefoot stuff. But again,
I mean, first of all, was it safer. Probably not.
We could have lost a toe and there's pedicure's ruined.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
But we did our best, Yeah, we did, and One
of the best things that is left down of this
as well is your promo with Brian McCarthy in the back,
and I swear you were nineteen at the time, so
still very young to be in this cesspool of disgusting
this and Brian goes as far and I'm watching in

(14:30):
horror because I literally wanted to jump in and tell
him get your hands off of her, like I was
legit hot. He's, you know, examining the al's feet and
telling her how lovely she is and rubbing her left
and the poor girl like she's just playing along. But
inside I'm like, she's gotta be freaking out because I
would have been.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
And I'm so glad to you I mentioned that because honestly,
and listen, I am. You know, I'm such a feminist.
I'm such a girl's girl, which is funny because I
have so many guy friends in wrestling, but truthfully, I
am the I am a girl's girl through and through,
and I always say with things like that, like I'm
a huge proponent of the Divas era. I'm a cheerleader
for the divas no offense, not the serious wrestlers. I'm
more of a tory Stacey. You know, Candice kind of

(15:11):
an era and that was a little extreme punintended. But
I will say that, but during it, I swear to goodness.
And this is just me being super truthful because I
think people look back and go, oh God, were you
uncomfortable and like you just said, and I honestly, even
back then, of course, you know, at thirty six, almost
thirty seven years old, now I would have gone no
if I'm uncomfortable. But even then, if I was uncomfortable,

(15:32):
I genuinely wouldn't have done it. I did not feel uncomfortable.
The guy wasn't. Jemmy was so funny.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
He was so nice, funny, but we didn't know ahead
of time how touchy he was going to be.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
No.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
But again, but I'm being super I'm not trying to
offend anybody. I honestly was just like it got like
it was. It was funny to me in the sense
it was just like, I know that this is sort
of a foot fetishy kind of a.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Thing, and I was.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I was fine with it. I really was. It was
never a thing, even damn call. He was always lovely
to me. Yeah, And if you look back at especially
my age, it looks kind of weird. But truthfully, I
just kind of thought this is I was in character,
and it was like, yes, it's a foot match. This
guy's at weirdo. I think he was portraying a weirdo.
So I was like, eh, whatever.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
It was perfect and you you did not look uncomfortable
at all. I was uncomfortable. I was literally getting ready
to jump in and say, would you get your hands
off of you big creep, because you know.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Move ahead a little bit.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I would have been like no, but I really I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah. Yeah, So okay, So here's you. Didn't start from
the beginning.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Told you guys got twenty three minutes of play.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
This is the finish. I won't they all start there?

Speaker 2 (16:41):
We go, well, how.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Young she is though? And tell me that doesn't look
like a dad trying to pick up a young lovely
Oh my god, look at him. God, I got to
tell you.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I was like, all I'm looking at is I'm going like, okay,
that's weird. The kissing's weird.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
I love my house, and I.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Just I just thought I wasn't character. I thought this
guy as a weirdo, and that's what I'm dealing with.
It's like, you know, if you did a movie about
a foot weirdo, would you do it?

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah? Yeah, as long as as long as people are
upfront and say I'm going to do this, I roll
with it. But when you don't know what's going on,
I mean, look your legs up in the air, it's
like brilliant. Calm down a little bit. Five dollars super
chat from our fabulous friend Lawn Hi fabulous free scenes.

(17:25):
So Chad, a question for you. What was your all
time favorite X Division movement you witnessed in TNA or impact.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh my gosh, ln Lah, thank you so much, sweetheart.
I will tell you that I don't know it's my
favorite X Division moment, but I remember when the guys
would when they would build the X and during the
you know run throughs and stuff, people would be trying
to Like a guy would come over and just buy
himself like try to just do moves on it, and
I would just sit there before the show and go,
what are you doing? Like stop? It just freaked me

(17:55):
out because it wasn't match time. The Ultimate X matches
were really amazing. But I if you were ever at
these shows, sometimes they would pan to me, hopefully not
too much, but I am such a crier. I'm such
a worrier that I really really shed a lot of
tears because those exhivision matches were so so, so dangerous.
People that stick out to me, for example, Chris Saban's

(18:17):
a huge one that I remember doing some amazing moves
on the Ultimate X. But yeah, Ultimate X is something
that I will never forget because I don't think anything's
been done like it ever since. Then, thank you for
the question.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah, absolutely, And they just panned on your feet and
your feet look really cute.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Well thanks, I myself. Also, they're real, They're real. Okay,
good to my feet yet?

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah my feet I dirtied on purpose. Oh okay, Oh yeah,
I scuffed them up in the back just too. Yeah,
just to be a little little on the dirty side.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Brandy, your body is insane.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
You know, look at me, No, how babe, it is
definitely insane.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
And I remember first seeing you and being like, I
just you know what, because you've looked different than the girls.
You were never like super Jack, which no, you know,
I love all esthetic a beautiful but but but I
liked that. I loved your look. I just thought it
was such a ninety supermodel look. But with bigger, more
ample bosom, which I wanted. So yeah, oh look I'm

(19:22):
taunting you and I'm pointing to my feet. Oh hilarious,
there you going, Tony.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Tony LaRusso five dollars super truck, paying my respects to
the one and only Queen of extreme frean scene. Thank you,
Tony and the wonderful Soulcale. Now thanks Tony. You're in
the Charles chip yard as well. Yeah, we'll thank you.
I used to eat abundantly back then and couldn't gain
announce and now it's any grape and I gained twenty pounds,

(19:46):
So I now that's the way of the world.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
But uh, you know how it works.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
It is how it works. But this was this was written.
This match was written on an airplane the week before
I wrote it the and we went the night before
to the arena, you and I and I think we
were there for about two hours and we just walked
through it like I only have twenty five dollars.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Do you remember that I said this? For some reason,
somebody asked me about actually wrestling, and I was like,
first of all, I didn't enjoy it. I didn't I'm
not a physical you think of someone's background. I'm not
a physical athletic person. I was homeschool, never did pe
never did a barely pe never did like sports. I
just I have an abhorreance to it. I don't like it.
Ire was like a peach true, and I did tell

(20:31):
you that I could not, for the effing life of me,
ever take a DDT, even in ring divas and things
that I did without hitting my head. And I very
often in matches I would cry. I'm a crier. I
just I would get hurt and I did not because
I'm so hurt.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I just I have like a I'm a very sensitive person,
and especially when I would hit my head, I would
just cry.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Mickey Di says, I refuse to believe Veill doesn't wrestle.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Love you, Mickey d all the way in Australia, Ozzie,
she's wrestling right here, and look how wonderful she's doing.
I'm trying. That was okay, right, Look at that.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
This was not bad. This was not a bad match.
I really don't think it is for anything.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
No, baby, this is like Rocky training. I don't know
that Tommy Gun horrible kid in Rocky five, Like this
is that's what that is. That's what you're watching right now.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
You took to this very quickly. I've said that so
many times. I mean, look, we're not This isn't Malenko
and Guerrero. I'll be the first to admit it. But
this wasn't bad for what it was. We were expanding
the story, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
And that's what I had done with it because it
was a story.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
It was a part of the storyline. Yeah. Oh, and
then we had the smoke come down and ODB come down,
and oh it was perfect. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
And listen, all that thick ass hair of mine really
helps in some beautiful I will say.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
That your hair was beautiful. And I didn't bother doomline
n evening. So yeah, there we go. There we go.
Now you you you need to realize that hold on
the p w L right, everybody stop, the p WO

(22:20):
is here. They never had the same women in the
p w L every month, it varied.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Is that Bobcat? Yes, it's Oh my god, what a
sweety pie. I loved her.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
I just looked to her.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Can you tell her? I love her so much? She
was And let me tell you my my tenure in
w e W all women. And I'm telling you, I
cannot remember one, honestly, one moment where someone was rude
to me or condescending, honestly, and I have moments of
that in other companies. W E W. Never it was
such a sisterhood and being such a girl's girl again,

(22:54):
I mean, everyone was such fun and took such great
care of each other.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, no arguments. It was just the party. It was
just a party. And I think you and I just
roomed together once. I remember you and I roomed together
one time, but I don't know if that's because I
don't I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Sorry, It's it's so funny for me to see myself, okay,
and I'm actually I'm actually kind of proud here, but
it's so weird for me to see myself not an
athletic person, like literally look at me and like literally
do things I was taking you and I kind of
went like this, like come on, like that's just not
in my nature. It's just not me.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Fired I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Tory Wilson always said that because I'm such a mark
for her. She always said like even Stacy, she said,
would get like more into the punches and get like aggressive,
and Tory was just like, I feel bad. She never
had a bone in her body that felt right about it.
I really related to that. I mean not entirely, but
like very much more so to the Tory side.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, but that's where the acting ability comes in, and
you true, you just can't look at you.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
You can't tell oh in a stunner we were doing.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
You're you're you're kicking the shoot out of me is
what you Oh my god, I wish.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
I don't know if my husband's ever seen this, but
I would love him too, because he would be effing
hang on.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Ref distraction, that's right. The smoke that lousy. You know
he does cosplay now player, Yeah, he goes. The last
time I saw him, he was doing he was this big,
big monster at a convention that I was at. He
starts talking to me and I and I'm and he's like,
you know who I am? And then when he showed me,
I was like, it's smoke.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Oh my god, Oh my god. Yeah, he's a celebrity cameo.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
That would have been tell me about it, but now
you're going to the.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Top up just doing what I think is correct.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Look at her, amazing.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I can't even believe myself is this it is this different?

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Look at that butt? Oh no, see.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Us, I can't.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
I'm telling you this is great, absolutely great.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I am still I remember this.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
I said, you remember what I did doing this? Yeah?
You remember what I said, They'll put those hands up, yes, man,
beautiful face and put those hands up.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
And I remember people were like, you took a chair
shot to the face, and I'm like, I did. She
that's a that's a badge of honor. Thanks to you,
miss Francie.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
It's great you didn't complain this. This is not bad. Chad.
Do you think this was bad for somebody who wrestled
the day in her life? Ever?

Speaker 2 (25:26):
No, never.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
I think when people hear the match, they think they're
just gonna see, you know, the spectacle, and they're gonna
hear the gimmick and you get the wrestling, and I
don't think they expect that.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
This was You were dead weight on that, by the way.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
I believe you. Look, it was a little I think, Fanny,
do you agree that. I think because it was barefoot
in a weird way, well, in an obvious way, it
took away from the fact that it was a one
on one match that people people know this match, but
all they know is I'm gonna look up the barefoot match.
They don't actually think of it as being a match.
And now that I'm watching it back, I'm even more
proud of us than I remembered.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
It had moves. I mean, we did, we wrestled. It
was wrestling. It wasn't I don't think it could be
considered like a bra and panty match or a fluff match.
There was wrestling involved. And that's why I'm so proud
of you, because you you didn't have a lot of experience,
you know, and just going over it a couple times

(26:22):
the night before you did great.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Oh my god, I are you so much? Thank you
so much, And honestly, it was it was fun. I'm
very proud of this match. And again people bring it
up to me all the time, and I think it's
because of the barefoot, which is fine. And again, if
you like what you like, I'm not here to judge.
Good for you. Thank you, appreciate the compliment of the feet.
Thank you. But like you said, the athleticism that we
that we tried to portray and the story that we

(26:44):
tried to tell, I think we did a great job.
But I'm so proud of us. Honestly, yes, I'm proud
of this match.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
This was a good time. Angela agrees. She says, I
do not have one athletic bone in my body. And
she also bruises like Peach, you're not alone, veil, and
she's also a friend of Tory and Stacey. Angela cheers.
Angela's great, We love you, Thank you all. Yeah, that
was fun. Wew as much as people criticize it or

(27:10):
make fun of it, like you said, the camaraderie was there.
We never fought. Everybody got along. Everybody just went out
there and had a good time. Yeah, I loved it.
I loved going in every month for that company. I
told Dan, if we could do this every week, it
would be wonderful.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
And I almost wish they had done Granted again, you know,
cofew of us had well, a lot of us had
an issue with kind of like not being told so
much about the adult side of things. Were we involved
in that, No, but you know, having it spliced in
that was kind of annoying. But there there were some
really great moments there. There was a lot of great
talent there, and like you said, if we could have
done it as if it was like a TV taping
situation or filmed like every two weeks or like even

(27:50):
once a month and done like some TV tapings and
backstage promost they spent so much time on. It's just
something I really feel like is lacking an independent wrestling nowadays,
where w e you whether you liked it or not,
or whether you're not familiar with it if you go
back and watch. They were very heavy on storylines, backstage promos, vignettes,
and like building characters, and that's something which is funny.

(28:11):
You wouldn't think. People don't think of it for that reason.
Same thing with the Barefoot match. They think, oh, barefoot
women's wrestling, it's a bit hokey, but actually at the
core of it, it was really really a little well
quite before it's time.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
I think I agree with you, and I feel like
because of the porn aspect, because without that we didn't
have the slot right, the pay per view slot. We
had to incorporate the pornography, and that's the only reason
why that was included in it. So Michael's Wrestling Channel
ten dollars, Superchad High, Francceine, I didn't know that you
wrestled to Calvell. I remember meeting you virtually on The

(28:45):
Asylum last year.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Thank you, Michael's Wrestling Channel, cheers to you. I love
the Asylum guys as well. They're fabulous, aren't they.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Friends Yes, absolutely, and Michael, you got two entries into
the Charles Chip Yards.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
I think that's the cool part about it. It's almost
like the bait and switch. You expect to just be like,
you know, well, it's supposed to be the Barefoot is
the Cell. But then you guys actually put together a
good match with a little psychology and you actually have
some moves in it. Then you know, kept the match
going pretty well. So kudos to both you.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
What I was going to say is I think we
got a lot of slack because it was kind of
a running joke in the industry. If you look at
the women that that I don't want to say manipulated
that that's not the word I'm trying to say. A
lot of those women were told that they needed like

(29:34):
sexy names, they needed to dress a certain way. Like
when I went in there, they weren't going to tell
me my name was going to be something with hoe
in it, or you know, everybody everyone girl was a
hoe like it was like, you know, you had to
be a schoolgirl, or you had to dance on a pole,
or you had to do so I feel like in

(29:54):
one aspect you had the legitimate workers, yeah, and then
on the other side, it was like the poorn girls
or the strippers that really didn't get the wrestling, but
we needed them because they added that sex appeal that
we weren't going to give them because we were the wrestlers,
you know what I mean. Like it had but it
had a good combination of both. But when people watch that,

(30:18):
they don't look at the good wrestling part. They look
at that other side and that's.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
All they're remembering. Yeah, and I think again, you know,
being being a feminist and being a girl's girl, like
there's nothing wrong with being in the adult industry or
being a stripper. That's all fantastic and you know, up
to your judgment. But you know, for that reason, it
was a bit confusing where there were actual wrestlers, girls
like me who weren't really wrestlers but wanted to be,

(30:43):
you know, more on the independent scene as managers or
you know, people that talked whatever, but then incorporating people
that really and that's really not on them either like
you know, somebody in the adult industry or in the
you know, stripper industry, whatever you want to call it.
For lack of a better term, I should say, you know,
I don't know exotic dancer. It really wasn't on them
that they didn't know what to do or they didn't

(31:04):
understand wrestling because they're coming from nowhere. I'll give you
an example for example, in TENA wrestling. I always call
it that impact wrestling. They weren't you know, in exotic
dancers or in the adult industry per se, but they
were models and they would come in and they would
know who Rick Flair was, and some of the girls,
only a few, but some of a select few would go, well,
you know, they don't know who the hell were wrestling,

(31:26):
and they'm like, yeah, But as models, you get hired
to do all kinds of things from an agency, and
that's you know, that's not their fault. As long as
they come in, they're nice, they introduce themselves, they're respectful,
they're not bitches about things, they're not socially rude. Fine,
I've done as a model. I was hired to do
Indie car you know, Daytona five hundred type stuff. I

(31:46):
didn't know the sport, but I was hired to be there,
and I showed respect to the sport and said, I'm
here to learn and I'm here to promote the brand,
and there you go. It's not that different. So for
some reason, I think because wrestling is such an inclusive thing,
which in a way is great. In another way, it's
like we sometimes shun people outside of the business, Whereas,
if you think about it, a lot of girls that

(32:06):
are now hugely famous, for example, Debasearch girls had nothing
to do with rust and they were models. Hello Bella Twins,
Christy hemy Maria. I don't know if I let any
of them actually like wrestling. My point is they were
not wrestling girls who were killing it on the indies
for years. Right, Are we going to hold it against
them that they didn't know the business until they started.
Now look at them, they're doing amazing things. So you

(32:29):
got to give people a chance, whether it's girls or guys.
You got to just go listen. As long as they're
there and they're respectful, they're coming from a good place
in their heart to respect the business. Let's give them
a damn chance, can't we. That's so hard.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Give them a chance, but they also need to want
to learn. Yes, and I've seen a lot of girls
not even take the time to Like you did you
you went back and you studied, right. I used to
study Sherry Martell because I loved Sherry like she was
like everything to me. But you know, we we love

(33:02):
the business, so we study the craft. If I'm a
model and I get a phone call, hey, you're going
to go on TNA wrestling, and you know you're you're
gonna do this whatever, in my mind, I need to
go and find some TNA wrestling tapes and kind of
study and no, and I'm not saying you have to

(33:24):
go back to the nineteen fifties and you know, old school,
but know what's going on, because if you don't, the
higher ups are going to take that as you don't care.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, that would you do with any any industry.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I always say do your homework is the biggest thing.
I say, do your homework. And you know, you don't
want to be even like me doing comic cons and
interviewing people if I don't do my little homework of
someone's career, and it could be you know I'm doing
you know twelve. I think this weekend at Comic Con,
I made a I can't listen. I can't have seen
every movie and TV show twelve casts are in, right,
but I have to do my homework and be as

(34:01):
respectful as I can be and try to do my
homework and whatever. And when they don't put in the work,
I agree with you for it, that's when it gets insulting.
And I think that's how you read out the weak
ones in the herd, right, because you can tell when
someone just be asking to be there because they want
to be on TV, or the girls who are like, listen,
I really have respect for this business. Lisa talks about
all the time how she was in the fitness world
and she didn't know wrestling until she was brought in

(34:23):
and then she put in, I mean put her whole
heart and soul into it. And now look, she's one
of the most respected influential women in wrestling ever.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
She is. And I agree with you one hundred percent.
Our friend, Vinnie, hope you are all having a wonderful week. Vinnie,
We love you two in the trahip chart for you, Vinnie,
Now you mentioned you were in TENA. How many years
I was there? For nine years, nine years.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I watch you and your interviews now. I'm amazed at
how fluent you are with your questions and your demean
You're wonderful at it is something that you always wanted
to do, like progress from wrestling to just doing like
this interviewing because you are really really good and I'm
not just blowing smooke. I watch you and I'm just like,

(35:12):
my god, it's just it rolls off the tongue. You
look so comfortable with these people.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, I'm really really nice to watch you in that realm,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Oh my god, that's like the nicest compient ever. Thank
you so much.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
I think when I was in wrestling, when I was
about eleven twelve, watching it and like all I wanted
to do was be a wrestling manager and being wrestling,
and then when I kind of got into wrestling, and
then like say I got you know, signed in about
two thousand and four with Impact Wrestling, I was, you know,
ring girls, and I thought, okay, well I just want
to be a manager all this stuff, So I really wasn't.
I always knew I wanted to be kind of more

(35:48):
of the talking person and the manager side, so like
the talking not really a physical wrestler, but as far
as the interviews and stuff like that, I mean I
always was like, if you think about it, I was
always kind of doing like, you know, filming myself and videos,
and here I am doing movies. I was more of
the acting side. But then as far as the presenter
host side, I started to get thank you Scott, Yeah,

(36:11):
oh my god.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Chad, what's up Chad? For your seene so Calville. I
enjoyed the Jay and Sonjay story back in two thousand
and eight and TNA, oh.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
My god, thank you so much, Scott. Cheers to Scott.
Thank you so much. By the way, gotcha, Vemo, just
a little quick little pub we're gonna we're gonna put
all your projects over.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
I just can I just read babies? Yeah, okay, we're
gonna answer this next. What are your thoughts on Sable?
Do you think? Can you keep that up?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Because I want to answer that.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, the rumor for turning down the Hall of Fame
is true. I would love to see her in the whole.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Thing continue and then we'll just to just to finish
my long win an answer there. Basically, I think you know,
after my storyline with with Jay and Sonja, which by
the way, he was a sweet and mentioned that thank
you so much, I kind of thought, okay, so you know, Jay,
Lethal and sand are now out of Impact Wrestling. I
want to have longevity in the business, so being a
ring girl that's not gonna be a thing forever. And

(37:04):
then people like Jeremy Borash, David Sahati and Mike Weber
and Impact Wrestling were like, especially Mike Weber, actually letting
me like write my own scripts, create my own backstage content,
interview wrestlers, all these things, and that's what I really
went this, this is what I want to do, Like,
that's really that's where I get my It just feels

(37:25):
like me to be a host, to be an interviewer.
And then now you know, I haven't related too much
outside of wrestling, which you know, to wrestling's credit, I'm
thrilled to say that. When I moved to England, I
kind of thought, okay, twenty thirteen or so, I thought, okay,
so I'll transition outside of wrestling. Then I got a
great job on ITV, one of the biggest networks here
in England, and that was a great thing. That was
wrestling commentary on WOS World of Sport Wrestling. Then I

(37:47):
kept getting wrestling bookings. Now I do a lot of
comic cons as well, which the comic cons are fun.
I hate to say it, but because it's outside of wrestling,
I'm interviewing celebrities, it's totally not They don't know who's
so cal not that anyone would, but who's so cal Vallace.
They don't care about wrestle and that for me is
really rewarding because it's like me just as a skilled interviewer,
and that's where I find a lot of pride doing
that for sure.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
How how did you when you moved to England, right
and you get that first big gig? Do you have
like a sizzle reel that you put out there and
you send out to you do?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
I sure do? And you know what, I edit it myself, Okay,
I pull my own clips, I edit it. I do
all the transitions. I edit gau TV. By the way,
I have taught myself over the years. When I was
even before in wrestling, I would do like pretend movie previews.
I've really My mom used to sort of get on
me about like, gosh, you're on the computer all the time,
you're just tinkering around. I was teaching myself web design

(38:42):
and video editing skills little antiquated now because things move
so fast. But honestly, I edit gaul, I edit my
own reel. I still, you know, update my reel all
the time. And I had those those things ready to go.
The ws I TV thing again, I TV, I would
equate to like an NBC in America. It's it's a
very big network here. It was a huge deal and
I kind of got that. I think, I'm not even

(39:03):
sure how they even I'm trying to think how they
even found me. I don't know. I mean, I guess
just from I don't know. I really don't remember. But
then comic cons, you know, I was always signing at
the comic cons by myself, you know, just signing with
well with wrestlers, but on my little table on myself,
like hey, here's a photo whatever. And I said it
to people like hey, this is fun, but like, can
I do more? I'd like to do like social media videos?
Can I do like a stand up? And sometimes I

(39:24):
would even ask and I would film myself like hey, guys,
it's so Calvell'll welcome to like Comic Con London, we
have this, this and that, wait make sure you see this?
And I just kept filming myself, doing these things with
myself and just saying hey, can you use this? And
I just kept you know, giving them footage and stuff
and saying like, can I do more? And that parlayed
into now a full time We have fifteen shows a

(39:46):
year with Monopoly Event, who I'm full time with as
their exclusive host.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
They're like, yeah, so, I honestly don't. If there's any
advice here, don't wait for someone to go hey, can
just do it? Film yourself. There's never too much content.
You're never being silly by filming yourself. You can never
be posting too much. Just do it, bro, and someone's
gonna take your footage and go, wow, we could really
use this girl and they will.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Or guy, I see I love oh, I love it.
I love that about you. Let's let's answer this sable question.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yes, so baby says what your thoughts on Sable? What
do you think the room for turning down Hall of Fame? Okay,
so I have not I've heard a rumor that she
turned down Hall of Fame. I don't believe. I don't
know that that's true. I would be very surprised if
that's true. I would be very disappointed if that's true.
I have now but in this huge and Franny you
will back me up this huge rigmarole on Twitter for

(40:38):
the last two days. First of all, I have Oscars
red carpet comments that people are taking way out of proportion.
I'm like, she was like, I never like make sense.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
I love your when you comment about these outfits.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I just cannot. But I'm like, I hope people know that.
Like I mean, it's all in good fun. Like you know,
if someone comes at me and goes, you hate my dress,
I'm like, well I did, but I think you're great,
but your dress no offense. Uh. And the listen, the
older I get, the more I'm like, I have to
stop being so well. Was she offended? Like it's all
in good fun. I'm always like, she's a beautiful fire
her stylists right. Anyway, In that same thing, someone I

(41:13):
was already into the Oscars, you know, hoopla, and then
someone said Stacy Keebler is going to be inducted in
the Hall of Fame, and I went They said, what
do you think valin. I was like, well, that's a
whole other conversation. I was like, that's a bit odd
because there are major more influenced and listen, I am
a state come on girl with the legs, Stacy Torri.
Those are my people. That's who I wanted to be.

(41:34):
But wrestling overall, someone like Lisa number one, well no,
there's no Lisa. You know, Mickey, there are girls that
should I mean, it just kills me. Should be in
the Hall of Fame way before Stacey. Oh, it's a
timeline thing. Stacy like, it's not a timeline thing. It's
a hierarchy thing, and not because wrestlers are so much

(41:58):
more important to managers. It's just that I'm I'm sorry,
a Victoria or a Mickey James, for God's sake, are
not on the same level as a Stacy Keepler. I'm
not trying to put myself in Stacy Keeler's hierarchy because
I'm not Stacy Keeler. I'm just saying impact wrestling, for example,
action figures. When they come over to make Action figures,
they make action figures of Gail Kim and Awesome Cang,

(42:19):
and those girls will laying their bodies on the line,
and they are prominent, most featured girls. Right then you
have the managers and whatever else, and maybe the ring
girls and the announcers. Hello here, I am. I would
be horrified if I was in the Hall of Fame
before a Gail Kim or before a awesome cong Who
the hell am I? And Stacy did wrestle? And again,

(42:39):
biggest Stacy fan ever, obsessed used to copy her outfits
for God's sake. But the hierarchy makes no effing sense.
That is Stacy Keebler as influential as she was to
a Victoria. Ask any female wrestler in this business if
they think Stacy should be inducted before Victoria or a
Mickey James. Sorry, not sorry. It doesn't make fine sense.

(43:01):
And River's making those decisions. You better check yourself for
you wreck yourself everybody off and cutting yourself. And that's
all I'm gonna say.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
And I agree with you one hundred percent on who
should go in first. But I think they would look
at it from a public relations point of view and
they would probably grab Stacey to throw her on Good
Morning in America because she's been on Dancing with the
Stars and she's been one, and that exactly easy for them.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Because it's because she dated George Cloney and she was
in a few more articles. Sorry not sorry. This is
a wrestling hall of fame or wrestling should read the
popularity and the influential people in wrestling should take precedence,
and for that reason, I think she should be in
the Hall of Fame. Great, but because they're ignoring so
many people. By the way, do you want to you

(43:46):
want to pull the China card that's also messed up.
I'm not gonna touch that with a ten foot poll. Okay down,
Marie Francy, Mickey, James, Lisa, Marie. These are people that
you go, are you joking? But let's put say keeper
in If you don't see, if you don't see the
wrong idea of that, I generally don't want to tell you.
And again say it one more time for the people

(44:07):
that are like Goo do like Stacy. Stacy sound rude,
but Stacy meant more to me than the serious wrestlers.
That was who I was influenced more by. But I'm
in the minority. I'm not a wrestler in wrestling that
wanted to be the most popular. You know, the Trish
the lead is that, and that's fine. We have to
be able to take a little bit of a back
seat to the people like Victoria and Mickey and and

(44:29):
Gail and Awesome Kong and trishaan leda period. And again
that's a hierarchy thing, and that's okay. We're secondary, that's
all right, that's how it should be. We're supporting actresses.
And I'm fine with.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
That disable thing though has been around for years where
she's turned it down. This isn't the first time that rumors.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
I don't know if that's true or not, but I
wouldn't put Stable again in that supporting actress category. No
offense that Sable sort of again, no offense more than
Stacy really spanned the more of the total package thing.
Sable was a more serious wrestler. Sable was in it
in a more total package kind of a way, and

(45:08):
was no offense way more influential and iconic than Stacy Keebler.
So for that reason, Sable, in my eyes, again it's
my opinion, would be way more here than a Stacy Keeler. Again,
I want them all to be in the Hall of Fame,
but it's odd to me that again, maybe Sable is
turning it down. I don't know. I don't know her.
It ever better in my life. I would love to,
but the hierarchy should not be Stacy Keebler, Lisa Marie

(45:32):
Veren Mickey, like, what are we doing? Whose decisions are these?
And why are you not on the street. I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Well, you're allowed your opinion said, don't let anybody tell
you you're not.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
And that's the thing, And that's why Twitter is so
weird because I try to really really be nice about
like I try to reiterate, I'm a Stacy fan. I've
been a stan if you want to call it that.
The kids say for Davas more than anybody. But I
still believe that for her to be inducted before these
women I just mentioned is just preposterous.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
I I just always said that the Hall of Fame,
they put in who they want, and they just put
in who they want. It's it's just who who will
draw the most ticket sales, who will make them the
most money.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
They woke that morning that that's.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Who is Donald Trump in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Of Fame?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Somebody no argument and mozel top I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
What to say the celebrity it's just like sin like
they're lobbying, like the fans. They want Cyndi Lauper in
there for the celebrity wing. No, there's a celebrity wing.
Cindy did a lot. Cindy, Well, she did, she did
a lot back in the.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I like, I'm talking to celebrity wing. Is weird to me,
Cindy Lapper, I believe it's a good addition. Is weird
to me?

Speaker 1 (46:48):
It's the celebrity wing. Yeah, But like when you like,
if you talk to a lot of the boys, they
make fun of the Hall of Fame, They're like, it
doesn't it doesn't really matter. Like a lot of them
look at it as a payday, you know what I mean,
It's just the payday.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
It's just because I feel like a lot of people
that I've met that are in the Hall of Fame
really mention it a lot and really show that ring
off a lot.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Well they do, because their price just went up once
you put that.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
And that's another argument I had on Twitter where somebody said, like, oh,
somebody said something about how well they gave Victoria enough.
They gave her all these championships, And I said, if
you think a champion. Championships thrown at Victoria. By the way,
that's a whole of the conversation. If you think that
equates to the respect and the like you said, let's
just be honest, like the bump up and you know,

(47:37):
status level, the respect from your peers and the respect
from the fans whatever. If you think championships equal the
respect that Hall of Fame gets, I don't know what
to tell you. That's just not a thing.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, it's it's I don't know. Everybody has different opinions
on things, and you most certainly are early on your opinion.
I've had a week with fighting. I'm not fighting with fans,
but I've gotten so much hate this week. Out of
my thirty years in the business, I have never read
comments like.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
I didn't work right.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
About it a little later, but I mean this, fans
are brutal and they'll let you know they.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Does it make you want to share your opinion less?
Because I think the older I get, I'm like, I
just listen, I have conviction and everything I say. I
went back and I looked at those Stacy Keebler and
Lisa tweets and I was like, I if Stacy Keebler
was sat with me at a dinner one on one,
I would say exactly what I said. And again, I'm
someone who was the biggest Stacy fan. I mean, I

(48:37):
could tell you every ALPHI she's ever worn without finding rude.
I love Lisa and Mickey. I didn't want to be them.
I wanted to be Stacy trying to say to people
I'm the biggest managerial diva. I love the gravy matches
and Lebron panties. I whish they'd come back. I'd be
in them. But I've swear to goodness, swear to RuPaul,
excuse my language. I love those girls, but I still

(48:59):
just I have conviction of what I say. And so Franny,
when you're tweeting, it's it's hard, right because I have
to like carefully curate every tweet. But I look back
and I go, am I gonna regret this tweet?

Speaker 1 (49:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
If I'm not going to regret it, I will then
post it and go I'm done happy.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah. I I bite my tongue a lot. I don't
share certain things because you lose half your fan base
if you do, so I just keep my mouth shut.
But you know, sir, I'm having trouble with my because
I just trademarked Queen of Extremes. So now I'm getting
a bunch of hate for that.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I've heard about this. Can you give me a rundown.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
In a nutshell? Uh? You know they're they're they're using
it now. For I believe Lida and I love Amy.
I love Amy, I known her forever. She's you know,
great talent, beautiful girl. Uh, they're uh, they're calling her that.
Corey Graves mentioned it in commentary. So my lawyer a

(49:57):
while ago put a trademark in for me. Yeah, why
because now it's to the point where if they're going
to keep using it, I don't want them to tell
me I can't.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Right, that's fair. That's fair. And again Leada fan as well,
you know wh who's on a Leida fan? Come on exactly,
that's something that you here's an example too, First Lady
of Wrestling. We had Missy Hyatt on gaut TV tonight.
People have tried to use that, and it's like something
that I've called myself the Princess of pro wrestling. I
never really it wasn't the thing. But if somebody else
used it for me, it wasn't used on TV, no
big deal. But if it was used on TV for

(50:29):
years like yours was, I think that's totally fair to be,
you know, protective of a name that you curated yourself.
I've only met Amy one time. She seemed lovely, but
and I know that you probably have so much respect
for I think that's fine for you to kind of
stake your claim. You were in the business for years.
You have proven yourself, my god, put your body, neck, head,
my god, life on the line for this title. So

(50:51):
for me, I I back you, girl, I get it.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, And it's not her, no, no, no, more so
than I believe. And they've called stuff and McMahon that
Live Morgan recently is calling herself that and my lawyers like, no,
you're it's trademarked. You know you can't. And so my
big thing. So I'm getting a ton of hate right
now online.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
And do you do you get that? Like, for example,
what you just said, it's not about her specifically, But
that's that's what killed me about the Stacy thing. And
I was like, I love Stacy. It's like it's like, here,
here's a here's a very feminist, patriarchical question in transit right.
It's pitting women against women. So instead of the actual subject,

(51:35):
they're trying to make it that you, Francine have an
issue with Leita slash Amy personally and has nothing to
do with that. And I think if you were, like
I said about Stacy, if you sit down with her,
I bet you could go girl and she would go, oh,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Yeah, it's the company, and I you know, I don't
want them to one day just you know, I open
my mail and there's a cease and desist because I've
been using it us three decades now, so you really
can't tell me not to, you know what I mean.
And I said that we trademarked it, and now I'm
getting hate and like, you know, like really nasty now

(52:13):
the younger than the younger generation out there, And I'm
just like then, you know, oh, you're it's a money grab.
You think I'm not going to get a dying you know,
You're not going to get any money from this. I
just want to use that name, you know, whether I
whether I sign one more day or I do this
for ten more years, I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, this is the scary thing about social media. One
time I said, I liked or didn't like. I think
I said I liked some thing about K pop. I
don't know anything about K pop. I think I saw
someone's outfits and was like, oh, they look great, and
I had like an I was inundated with all these
followers and all these comments, and it was like it
was a weird few days because I they it just
they lashed onto one tweet and the fandom. Another thing

(52:56):
that I said, which I stand by, that Billie Eili
is very talented, but she cannot dress to save her life,
God bless. I'm sure she's talented in other ways, and
she is musically satorially speaking. Girl can't dress. Whether it's
your stylist, the girl cannot dress for her shape. It's
awful there. I said it. And when I said that
as kind of a snarky joke, I mean for weeks

(53:19):
and weeks people were trying to cancel me and you're
you're mad at her because she's a young girl and
you're trying to beat up on eight. I was like,
I just whatever, I said, the girl can't dress, she
has no style. Yeah, well everyone has style, and that
everyone has manners. That's just you know, the good things.
God gave us, you.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Know, unbelievable. Well, look, I can talk to you all night,
but I know you're across the pond, so I don't
want to keep you too long. I'm very excited for
an upcoming event with you, Squared Circle Expo. Yes, it
will be myself, so Calval, Shane Douglas, and the Sandman

(53:56):
and maybe Scott Steiner. He added his name to one
of the tweets. Is he with us too?

Speaker 2 (54:02):
I think he is. And I'm ready to get extreme.
I don't know what to wear, but I'm thinking pleather
and chains.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I don't know what you're doing. Well, I kind of
I should just.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Go full pleather chains walk. What for better term? Uh?

Speaker 1 (54:17):
It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I love the French fries and when I when I
ordered my VHS tapes to study you, I fell in
love with not only you, but oh my god, the
duo of franchise, Shane Douglas and you. I thought. I
I literally was mad at myself for being born in
the wrong era to not be a part of that,
because it was. I mean, nothing's better than that. So

(54:39):
I love I love Shane Douglas. I love you. I'm
at a many times. He's very nice Scott Steiner work
for years. He's lovely to Square Circle Expo. He did
Shenanigan's podcast, shout out to them. Yes, it's gonna be amazing.
Indianapolis is a great time, so we'll have an amazing time.
It's a reunion for all of us. And my gosh,
look at the poster. So many amazing names there. MJF,
Kurt Angle, Kevin Nash. Kevin Nash.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Right now, will talk to me at this Maybe we'll
just do that live.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
But honestly, RBD an amazing lineup and if you're not
in the area, we do apologize. There might be pre
sales or virtuals I don't know, but either way, if
you can join us April seventh to the eighth, my gosh,
it'll be I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
This is her broadcasting skills coming through. I didn't have
to say a word. I was just like, go ahead, girl,
just get it.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Confrontation and you have the gaw TV girls with you
behind you.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
They're all friends. Everybody's friends. There will be fancy. Here's
what we do.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
We're gonna be pink satin, pink ladies, jackets. We're gonna
just start yes, ye like we got a bone to
pick with, you bitch, just kidding out. I'm a huge fan.
Yeah but yeah, no, in all seriousness, an amazing lineup
that would be funny to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah, Oh my god, that was that was the best ever. No,
I'm very excited. We need to get a drink that
evening and just reminisce and hang out if we can.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Girl, I love you aside from me being a crazy
wrestling fan, for you and your work, and you're an
amazing legacy that will last forever for every girl joining
wrestling to look back and go, oh my god, I'm
gonna be a friend scene as I did, and you
know what you've done for the business. I'm gonna cry.
I love you so much and as a personal friend,
I'm excited to catch up with you personally and have

(56:28):
a drink or five and let's yes or five. I
cannot wait to see you.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Let the fans know where we can find you and
what else you have upcoming?

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Please, well, I will tell you so. I will be
in LA for wrestle Con Friday Saturday Sunday, but the
main thing is Saturday, April first. Drestlemania is going to
be our charity event this year benefiting Childhelp dot Org.
We have Mick Foley hosting it. It's after WrestleMania Day
one and anything you need to know is on Dresselmania

(56:56):
dot com. You can follow me just anything you want
to Google. It's so cal s O c A l
v al So cal Valerie on Twitter, Official so calval
on Instagram. I have an only fans as well, but
specifically we're trying to get people to donate for Dressalmania
and just be a part of this amazing cause. We
raised almost ten thousand dollars in the first year, the
second year over ten thousand dollars in honor of Daphne

(57:17):
and mental health awareness, and then this year it's for
child Help. We're hoping to raise even more, especially with
Mick Foley involved. Who's the nicest man in wrestling ever.
So please look us up. Go tvgawtv dot com, Grown
ASSHM and TV. Every Wednesday at five pm on YouTube.
You guys have to tune in. We've had a Francine episode.
If you haven't caught it, please catch the replay. Say
this amazing and Franci We'll have you on again.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Please, I would love to come on again. We need
a round two because there are so many more topics
we can discuss. Right, it's my crazy self.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
We barely scratched the surface on the first episode. It
was like we wanted to keep going.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
I know we did. Listen, don't forget to send me
the address because I have stuff to mail. We talked,
thank you, Oh my god, thank you so much. We'll
do for sure, absolutely, I will talk to you before then,
but thank you so much for coming on. I do
love you, and I am so proud of the woman
that you've become. Oh honestly, you are doing stop. You're
doing wonderful things. And and like I said, you're so

(58:13):
I'm gushing. You're so fluent in what you're doing, like
you're You're just top notch, baby, And I'm so happy
for you with with everything that you have going on.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
For for for someone as that, I'm gonna cry, for
someone that I love and respect so much and look
out to that means a lot.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
So I think you're so cute. I love you so much.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
I'm sorry, I will talk to you.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
I feel the same way. But you know you don't
have to cry.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Kiss to YouTube.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I'll talk to you, baby. I love you guys, I
Love you by.

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