May 15, 2025 • 33 mins
In Part 2 of this no-filter conversation, ECW Original Tommy Cairo returns to Eyes Up Here to finish what he started — and he’s still not pulling punches. In this episode, Tommy opens up about his personal health battle, sharing the physical and emotional toll it’s taken on his life and career. Despite the challenges, he reflects on his passion for the business and how he's looking ahead to mentoring and training the next generation of wrestlers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M h h.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
H h.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
What need happen to your life?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Okay, And that's what I was gonna get.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
To that, all right.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
So I got stung, but I have a place.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
In Virginia on a Chestapeake Bay. I just blug out
without air for Julie or even Thursday next week, and
let's don't get away.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
It was the middle of the summer, really really odd, and.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
You know, bacteria is high everywhere. If somebody, you know,
if you get a cut and you're a diabetic like
you probably shouldn't go in. Well I'm I didn't. It
didn't happen because of my diabetes. I am a diabetic.
I got stung by I think a jellyfish. So all
I remember was I had this like little line, thin
line outline, real long on the inside of my leg.
(01:13):
It was weird.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I said, I've been stung before by stuff that kind
of felt the same. I don't think not of it.
So a couple of weeks went by it.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Now I'm just going to preface this by saying I
was up to something I shouldn't have been.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Up to, okay, and it's probably.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Why I missed it. And my leg was starting to turn.
My foot was starting to turn color a little. My wife,
now I was in shop shock. Everything I'm going to
tell you now my wife had to tell me all
it is. Well. I remember. The last thing I remember
was driving my son's three fifties eight, dropping him off
at church. I was gonna come back and get him.
(01:50):
And I said, I think I know what's wrong with
my leg. I think I turned my ankle.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
That's it. I don't remember nothing else. Next thing I know,
I wake up in the hospitals.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
It's a week later the hospital, all right, and as
doctors like standing here jumping up and down, all your
levels are back to normal.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Okay, So what happened was had sepsis sepsius shock.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
They said, there's no way you can walk around with
a week He says he hasn't hasn't been him substance
last week. When my son told me he came back
from dropping a walk hasn't been right. He said there's
no way he could have sepsus. That wall would still
be alive. And she said, you don't know my husband
iron Man. So no Indian doctors jumping up in that,
(02:33):
all right. So I had sepsis sepsis shock with psychotic episode.
I had. I was on a respirator, kidney failure, liver
liver failure and a fib my.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Heart wait from from the jellyfish.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
From sepsis, which I caught from something that was infected
in the water. Oh yeah, Now you know, I don't
know whether you notice or not, but when these commercial
fishing boats go out, they have a bottles of bleach.
Anytime you get cut at all, especially if it's year
that was in the water, or like a hook that
(03:09):
that's caught fish you get cut, they downse it with
chlorofs to kill it anything, because that's how it starts.
You get your steps this from it's like almost like
a flesh eating thing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Back from Yeah, So anyway, I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
So I had seven skin grass and they cut my
leg about eight inches below my knee. So I have
my own working knee right, Okay, So anyway, this is
that's only the tip of the ice I get out right. Well,
first of all, I'm on my back three months in
(03:50):
a hospital when my legs severed, right, and I got
a bed sword. The bed stort took almost as my leg.
It was you can put your finger it was this deep.
So anyway, and my wife had a packet, and here
it's like she's almost ready to swear me off because
I lied to her about something and I got caught
(04:12):
and the doctor said it you got this in your system.
And she was like, well, what's going on? But you
have to understand something. I was in a two year depression,
and not only like you lost your leg.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
That sucks.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Guess what. I was probably worse off before I lost
my leg, because I have two titanium hips. I'll tell
you about that. I got a cage, two bars and
to replace this in my back, and I was hobbling
before I lost my leg even worse. I'm better now?
Are you doing more to be better? Now? Right now? Damn?
(04:48):
Nine months in a wheelchair, no leg. Then I get
my leg. I got it. Three weeks and I fall
in my hallway on a tile floor break, I break
my sixteen year old prosthetics, I and my femur. Now,
so I broke a fake thing and a real thing.
Now keep I had at that time too sixteen year
(05:11):
old hips. So now I had to replace a sixteen
year old and I still got a sixteen year old
on my right. So this is after this is after
losing my leg. Then I get that, get that taken
care of him. I'm getting better, have heart issue. So
for one month, you can figure this out. Every week,
(05:31):
I went in, say on a Tuesday, got out on Friday.
Next week. I was in on Monday, got out on Thursday.
For one month, and I said, something is not right,
what's going on? So I get there, they put me in.
I see you and they said, and I'm mister Kyrol.
Your liver and kidneys are failing again, just went rooted.
(05:55):
Now when you get there and they start testing, it
only stands the reason that if you're here for an hour,
the first testing starts coming back.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
So the one girl says, we don't know what to do, like,
you know, we don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Two minutes later, somebody comes like with the report they
found a leader of fluid accumulated around my heart. Oh my,
so had been slowly you know, you know, yeah, I
figure that's a half of bottle soda around your heart.
So it's got no no room to do anything. So
(06:29):
I was in aphib again. They shocked me back out
of aphib. They gave me uh fentonel and nitro wliscering.
Then no more come on oh yeah, Oh yeah. I
come out of the hospital and I have a catheter
and it's not gonna come out yet, it's not ready
to come out.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I'm like, I can't do this. One night it broke
and I got to rip my all.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
My betting out, my mattress, you know, my wife, I'm
taking it out. She goes, how are you gonna do that?
I listen, because that's what they do. That's exactly the
way to do it. So she goes a little time
of the block blood and it stopped. I was okay,
(07:14):
and all of him. I said, listen, I took this
thing out. He goes, well, have you been going you're
I said yeah, He said, listen to you want to
walk around with this freaking thing. How long am I
going to have it? I said, oh, I had to
take it out because coming tomorrow. So then I'm thinking,
all right, I'm okay. So he gives me, uh they
(07:34):
test your bladder to see how full it is. I'm
still not empty, and he puts me on this drug.
We'll check it now. If it doesn't work, we have
a thing called the turf. They're going to clean out
everything so that you'll be good, he said, and that's
not a bad thing. I said, doctor, let's just do it.
Then he said, now we'll try a little longer. Well
the medication still didn't work. I go to him and
(07:56):
I'm still not empty of my bladder and I'm thinking,
man and up with a bag again. Now he says,
we're gonna do the turf. I said, get me in there,
going in. Had it done. Now it's been a little
bit and everything right now is good. I mean, I
don't get up there every two hours at night. I
sleep and I'm gonna tell you this. See if you can,
(08:19):
I'm sure he's gonna understand it. The first thing I
became addicted to was adrenaline. I was an Olympic weightlift.
There was a teenager kid, little kid, wait for twice
my size, and you know there's people there. It's not
like it's a competition. I was an amateur wrestler. I
did great in junior high but at the same time
I was doing jiu jitsu. All three things. I was like,
(08:42):
I was strazzled, and I got at the body built
and then I followed my dream of wrestling. So you
go from adrenaline then every drug. Crown never shot any
drugs I never smoked crack. I never got but I've
thought a myria out of things, thank you? Where is
this that? Whatever? And the only constant for me has
(09:04):
been marijuana, which I've been self medicating, says I'm a kid.
I grew up in an Italian neighborhood with monsters and
was involved in all kinds of stuff. And I saw
things that I can't unsee and I'll never forget and
affect me for the rest of my life. I try
not to let them. But when you're a father and
(09:24):
you've seen what your true evil really lurks in this world, Yeah,
it's very difficult to live a serene life. But I
do my best, and I do everything I can for
my family. But my point being is this is the
first time in my life. Oh and you've got to
figure it this, Oh my antochronologist goals. You got to
get off met forman you you'll put me on it.
(09:48):
It's like I'm I decided to go on it. I
was on the maximum dosage and insolent twice a day.
I don't take anything but once more till now. I
went completely carnivore today, you know, in the morning. Then
I had three quarters of a pound of beef. My
dog gets a quarter pound ramped organic beef, no bread.
(10:08):
And this afternoon I had smoked salmon salad with about
eight things and a cucumbers, tomatoes, cilantro unite it. So
I'm trying to say that my whole life, I've never
been completely like the void. And I'm including all that
medication for all the stuff that I went through. So
(10:29):
you're a year down the road, You're like, well, it's
been a year since I had that thing done. Why
am I still on this right? Eliminating? What I would
do is I would eliminate one before I get my
blood worked on it, and I get my blood work done,
which would have to reflect I'm not using that drug.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And the doctor's like, oh wow, yeah, everything looks good.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I go, yeah it. I said, well I stopped the
pile of litison. He's like, oh, so wait a minute,
don't backtrack now you just said everything good. Now you're
gonna change your mind because I said, well, everybody's gonna
get off drugs and you won't have a job, right
right exactly. I got tired of that and I started
(11:11):
asking my doctor, well, what can I take instead? Okay,
fish oil, I could take fish oil and now I'm
taking it's uh oil over regano with black seed oil,
and it's I'm really it's like a not a cure
all but look it up. Do some research.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Oil of ale with.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Black seed oil. You gotta have. Black seed oil is
like the catalyst that makes it work. And you know
this kind of thing I've been involved in my whole life.
When we used to buy protein powder that you would
gag on if you had it today, right forty years ago.
And you know, I have a liver tableist just big.
You want to choke them down. But yes, how are
(11:56):
we doing? On times? I want to tell you something else?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, I was just gonna get in to you working
with Jason at the so we can wrap up.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Yep, So I'll finish with the other thing.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Was that right now? I mean, I have a beautiful family,
I got a beautiful dog, Tommy. Cairo's firing on all
cylinders again and I love it. And at sixty seven.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Right, you look great. I don't know how old you are,
but you look great for sixty.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Thank you. I think, really I think the key forget
all the other stuff and party, you know, I think
the keeper me was those medications were killing me. I
mean they were that foreman is a killer. Great. I
did it with my food, so I don't have to.
I don't any cards, so on smart. Yeah. Anyway, So
(12:44):
what happens was nineteen eighty six, I broke in. Not
too long after that, I went to underneath Johnny Rods School.
Underneath Lee Clice's gym was Bobby Boltle Ego had a
ring down there, and I went down here and I
met Jason on the first my first visit there.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Okay, we got in the ring together and like, I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Know, it must have been like a forty minutes later
we were like realized that all the kids are sitting
around just standing there watching us. We just, I don't know.
We just hit it off. Nobody said get out of
the ring, and there was so many things I wanted
to do and try that I never felt comfortable up
to that point. And I was like, hey, listen, I
want to try this bridge when you bridge up that number.
(13:29):
And we just hit it off and we've been, you know,
fairly close all these years. Nice he came around and
I always say, there's only one time I ever know
shows I didn't know, no I called. I wasn't. I
was booked on a show for Jason, but he booked
(13:51):
me so far ahead. And in between that time I
had stopped. My wife was after me, you know, please yeah, stop.
And I had a call and I said, Jesu, I
hate to tell you about I can't make it.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
I said, my wife just well, I can tell you.
She said, please don't go.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I don't labor. Yeah, I'm not comming. And I remember
I took heap for that, but they were just riding me.
Curtis hughesed, because you coming down and see me when
he comes down. You've been asked mama first, and listen,
I'm glad to have somebody to confer with, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Right, Yeah, I understand. Listen, I'm a wife and a mother.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
I know what you're talking about. What else do we have? This?
Is it?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
My family's first, and then everythings in the place. So
I totally get it. What you can do at the
school now?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Because is it still Assault Championship Wrestling.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Yes, we don't normally say that, but it's a c
W dojo. He's got another name for it, the hell
is it?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And I've got some look up Jason Knight. If anybody's
inter state.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Yeah, it's called a full infant no uh impact Central
Pro Wrestling dojo, okay, but you know a c W dojo.
So anyway, it started with another person that was involved,
who we all three of us know each other for
that long. She's not in the picture right now, so, uh,
(15:35):
I was left over, and uh, Jason and I have
always got along, and he always wanted me to work
with him and our work to work together, Okay, and
he got he married Asa and she's fantastic, very sweet
like her, she's great. I warned her. I told her,
I said, if you have any money that you want
to hold onto, do not spend a dime on this.
(15:58):
And you know, and I think she appreciate that. I
wasn't saying anything, you know, against Jason, right, it's.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Just the business in general.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, just in case you're
not ready, you know. So she's all in and she's great, right,
So the don't Joe is beautiful. So they asked me
to come along, and I said, certainly. I said, you know,
the problem I'm having is that I found myself driving home,
(16:27):
you know, nine thirty at night through the Pine Barrens
and my family's home, you know, And I maybe missed
that episode of Breaking Bed that we watched together, you know,
every night, and I'm thinking to I really need to
be doing this. So the next time I went down.
We have this young kid who's fourteen. He started when
(16:47):
I when we opened, and I was there from the beginning.
They have another guy that's been around the circuit. He
knows he's not gonna be doing anything, but he wants
to be a part of something as well as paying
for it. And he's got some hearing issues and some
other things very difficult, but he's made some improvement. And
we're not there to turn to anybody away. We're just
gonna be honest with you. You may have to end
(17:09):
up doing something else, right, but we got a place
for you. And I want it to be a safe house.
I want it to be a place where kids come
and they have more than just their wrestling training, because
if you think about it, I got a holding mostly
the fourteenth to seventeen. I want to be working a
(17:31):
lot with everybody, but a lot with them from the
sidelines and conferring and you know, but the thing is this,
we can't sell pro wrestling as a job or a
life long career to parents. We got to sell it
(17:52):
like in stead of going to the CRII school next door,
the kid comes here, instead of being on a traveling
soccer team.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
He don't want to do that.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
He wants to do this. It's just another discipline, right
when you go to Japan and train, if the only
thing different is what they're actually doing in their ring,
everything else is the same. Training is the same. They
don't smarten these guys up until they're ready to make
their debut, so it's the same. Yeah, And I think
(18:22):
the important part is that a lot of guys need
to be retrained. And you know who's not going to
come down here. People who don't want to be found
out and want to continue to work the shitty shows
with the shitty promoters and get nothing out of it,
And they won't come to a place that's legit. Because
if you say you're a worker and you want that
(18:43):
thirty dollars a month rate or whatever, you do me
your favor and give me five minutes with my trainer. Yeah,
if you can't do that, then we're going to put
you in the retraining program.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Right right, that's the way we can get the only
we can get on this, you know, and if we're
going to be in the game, so to speak, I
got to be at the top of it, and I,
you know, sit down, I'll write the matches out with
Jason and we goever over everything.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
And I love it. But I have to balance that
with my home life. Wednesday nights typically your Bible study
for my wife and I, but now that ends for
the summer, h and I fought hard to make that
work to go there to try to build my relationship back.
I had to do all these things and are built
into my life now and I'm not willing to give
(19:35):
them up. So I got to balance that with the school,
which right now it's okay because we're doing like right now, Monday, Wednesday,
and Friday. We leave the weekends open for guys to
if they have bookings, trainers, have bookings or whatever, or
for other things that we're going to do in the school,
birthday parties, you know, whatever Desert Way can do to
(19:55):
get somebody in that building right what we're trying to do.
So that means if you're a small promotion and you're
typically doing the thirty forty people and you're renting a
building or renting a rent and you know, mostly not
paying guys. You know, yeah, you could come here. Okay,
so we fit seventy people. If you could do one
(20:16):
hundred and forty tickets, you'll do a show at to
one o'clock and one at four o'clock. Okay, use the building.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
You know they need as much guidance as a lot
of these young kids.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I went to a show and spent seven hours a
couple of weeks ago, and it was not good. The
report card is a CMUs.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I find them real quick. I did find the info.
If you want me to plug it for you guys,
Impact Central Pro Wrestling Dojo. It's at three nineteen West
Landis Avenue, Unit three. And finally, new Jersey phone number
for anyone who is interested can call at five seven
zero six twenty one two three four excellent.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Yeah, and you know, and if anybody wants to get
a hold of me, they can get me on Facebook.
I'm taking calls from anybody that wants to work our
our tapings. Okay, you know it's gonna put in the door.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yeah, it's gonna grow. Well, here's tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
You're a guy. And I know there's like eight promotions
are doing the same thing. Guys are getting little or
next to nothing. All right, so you travel forty minutes,
you get twenty five bucks, you're in a hole. Fifty
bucks easy, I don't care if you're gone all day
and you gotta put Guess in a car and you
have to have a bite to eat, no matter how
hard you try to script and see if you're still
in a hole. You're in a hole or what do
(21:39):
you have? If you have a video, it's either on
a cat a phone, or it's a shitty audio visual.
It's a hardcam. Can't see anything that happens outside the ring.
The sound system sounds like crap. The chairs all all
look like they were mixed and mattural, bent and broken.
I mean, where did you start? What I mean, how
do you even get past? Then you got belts on
(22:03):
big out of shape people that can't work, and they're
the people that are putting them over are the people
who should have the belts because they got a black
guy that's six foot, two hundred and fifty pounds, looks
like a million dollars and he's putting over one hundred
and eighty pound guy, it's okay, but as a rule,
you know, you want to put your best foot forward.
(22:23):
But what happens even at that small level, they have
a large amount of politics, and instead of the best
people being in the ring, it's who did this and
who did that, who sold the tickets, who got store.
Then in the main event they got civilians and I'm like,
(22:45):
who are these people? Well, it's the guy that own
that has the connection to the building. Yeah, we'll chop
so much off, but you can go in here. In
the main event, and they had a kid who's evidently
a pretty good like boxer fighter. Every pun was like
by four inches. He messaged right, and I'm like, this
is this is horrendous.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
So listen. Am I saying anything that's not true?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
No?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
No, And I look at it like this.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
I'm gonna tell you what I did get out of
ec W and nobody can take this from me. Okay,
there's a chance that when Paul wanted to take advantage
of that kid Michael Fay getting caned in the locker
room that day when he said I need two guys
a volunteer to do this, and you're gonna have to
get your body and whatever and nobody fucking stirred. And
(23:34):
I looked over at the hack and we both raised
our hands. Now, let me ask you a question. If
that didn't happen, how do we know where it would
have went. I know that I am one of two
guys that started that whole fucking extreme shit. Come on,
how do you do Singapore canie matches for a year?
(23:55):
And that's not the beginning of it? Of course, I
kn't deny it. I feel like I feel like my
and Jason eighty years between the two of us. You
got like maybe Cashmere out there. You got what's his name,
Danny Cage that took over.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Monster Factory.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Monster Factory. There's a few out there, but how many
of them are are equal? And not only that, you
know I ran shows at the Tropical Count. I was
the first guy that was a wrestling I bought wrestling
back to the Tropical count for the first time of
twelve years. CO promoted with the WWF. I had talent
and it was it was awesome. So I mean, we've
(24:41):
done it all. Promoted, went out and put lawn signs.
I was the first one to do vinyl lawn signs
Pro Wrestling ty wrap them to the signs. Make sure
you go back after the guys that cut the grass
come and cut them down.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
I was a sign tender. Yeah, you know, I went
into a place.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
That had one of my posters up and my posters
sticking out of a flipper of the garbage can and
a new guy, some guy who just came in and
put his poster on our mind, and mine's in the
garbage sticking out. Yeah, well I found them. Don't worry
about it. I found them.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
But my point, my point is you say, well, what what.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Right do you have? Well, we have the right because
we're carrying on the old school tradition and we're not
just two guys that came out of nowhere. So I
feel like, if it's come and work for us, and
it not work for us, but come into our tapings
and you have you'll be broadcast somewhere to be shown somewhere.
If not, you have something decent to use as a
(25:40):
reference to show people your talent and a controlled you know,
environmental it sounds system lights. It's not a bigger ena know,
but it's something that we could keep under control and
get the production down right and give these guys number
one ring time behind the camera, and then when we
on any outside show, they get preference, they're gonna be
(26:04):
on a car. We're gonna use it.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It's great, sounds great.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
And I looked at it like I've been given to
this business while I was coming up. Anything I could
do for anybody and get them a spot and get
him on a car, I could help them in any
way after I was in long enough to be able
to give advice, you know. And like I said, we've
done the promoting, We've done the training, you know. Now
we got to school and I'm gonna do it to
(26:31):
my best, the best of my ability a couple of
three days a week and hopefully get it off the
ground for them.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
And who knows what.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
The future is gonna bring.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I hope it brings everything, because you guys deserve it.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
You're welcome.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Jason's a good dude, you know, And yeah, I love.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
You, Jason. Let me beat the piss out of him
early on.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You know, Paul always put me against Jason, and he
was he was a pleasure to work with every single
time because he just let me beat him up and
let me shine.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
And I always every time I see him, I thank
him for that.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
So his gimmick is exactly the opposite of who he is.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
You know, right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I think most of us are because my gimmick was
nothing like really.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
I think I am, yeah, yeah, I am.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Well, I mean like Hack is one of them, Sandman Gay,
I played a character, so I am nothing like what
you saw on television. But there's a handful that can
just say it's them. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
I mean I always thought that you're any kind of
character you portray in wrestling. The easiest way for you
to know how to act and how to do your
promos if it's something close to either you know, something
you went through, or you can relate it to your own,
you know, personality, and it makes it easier to remember stuff.
(27:56):
You know. If you play a complete, completely different character,
that it's almost like you need a script, you know
what I mean. Yeah, I think for me, I think
I'm pretty much. I was always a neutral. I started
out as you know, mister New Jersey Tommy Kyle. It's
like a raw rod type of thing, you know, and
then I morphed out of that that ended up bold,
(28:17):
you know, shaving my head and I never felt more
comfortable than when I had the dog collar and a
chain that to me that that was me, that was
and to go to it, you know, and yeah, and
that's it. I more from that, you know, kid with
a half of afro. You know, when I.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
First got into business, I was young. I was twenty
eight years old.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Yep. Here I am sixty seven and trying to.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
God wash it. I mean, you've been through a lot
and you're still kicking.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
And I'm just very happy that we crossed paths and
I was able to reconnect with you again since we
did work together, and neither of us remember but now so.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
I don't feel so bad now.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Now as soon as you said that, I remembered the
exact match that it was.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
That's right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, thank you for that.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I'm sure it was fun.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And hopefully I will see you again down the line.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Someone, and listen, I just want to say I was
a fan of yours from the beginning and I saw
a lot of what you did and I knew that
wasn't you.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Thank you?
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Poor kid doing it is prap.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I don't know. I just fell into it, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
But again, if I didn't go through all that, I
wouldn't be sitting here doing this.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
So listen, we all have a purpose and a reason.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Shape you're you're one hundred percent correct, you're a doll.
I again, thank you, thank you for coming on. I
will be in touch in the future. And again people
can find you on Facebook just under Tommy Cairo.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Yes, and we want to invite you down to the
school sometime.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah if I'm if I'm able to do it.
I told you my driving is her undous. Okay, we
can talk about that later, but until then, thank you
for coming on, and uh.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Hope to see you in the future.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
All right, you take care, you take care of.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
So everybody. That was Tommy Cairo and.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't know if he clicked off or not. Are
you still there, buddy, No, I think he clicked off. Okay,
that was Tommy Cairo from the early days of e
c W. And I really quickly just want to promote
something that's coming up for me. River City Wrestling Con
(30:48):
is coming up the beginning of June.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Let's see.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, River City Wrestling Con June seventh and eighth at
the World Golf Village in Saint Augustine, Florida. That will
be my next appearance, me and the franchise. Shane Douglas
will be there and very excited. If you want to
get tickets in advance, go to my ex page. It's
pinned at the top and you can save some coin
(31:17):
that way, or if not, you could just come up
to the table and purchase whatever you need there. We're
gonna have eight x tens. We're gonna have some action figures.
You'll be able to buy a promo package from us
and shoot a promo with Shane and I. If you
ever wanted to be a wrestler, now it is the
time to do it. So lots of good stuff coming up.
(31:38):
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
What need happen to your life?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Okay, And that's what I was gonna get.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
To that, all right.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
So I got stung, but I have a place.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
In Virginia on a Chestapeake Bay. I just blug out
without air for Julie or even Thursday next week, and
let's don't get away.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
It was the middle of the summer, really really odd, and.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
You know, bacteria is high everywhere. If somebody, you know,
if you get a cut and you're a diabetic like
you probably shouldn't go in. Well I'm I didn't. It
didn't happen because of my diabetes. I am a diabetic.
I got stung by I think a jellyfish. So all
I remember was I had this like little line, thin
line outline, real long on the inside of my leg.
(01:13):
It was weird.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I said, I've been stung before by stuff that kind
of felt the same. I don't think not of it.
So a couple of weeks went by it.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Now I'm just going to preface this by saying I
was up to something I shouldn't have been.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Up to, okay, and it's probably.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Why I missed it. And my leg was starting to turn.
My foot was starting to turn color a little. My wife,
now I was in shop shock. Everything I'm going to
tell you now my wife had to tell me all
it is. Well. I remember. The last thing I remember
was driving my son's three fifties eight, dropping him off
at church. I was gonna come back and get him.
(01:50):
And I said, I think I know what's wrong with
my leg. I think I turned my ankle.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
That's it. I don't remember nothing else. Next thing I know,
I wake up in the hospitals.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
It's a week later the hospital, all right, and as
doctors like standing here jumping up and down, all your
levels are back to normal.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Okay, So what happened was had sepsis sepsius shock.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
They said, there's no way you can walk around with
a week He says he hasn't hasn't been him substance
last week. When my son told me he came back
from dropping a walk hasn't been right. He said there's
no way he could have sepsus. That wall would still
be alive. And she said, you don't know my husband
iron Man. So no Indian doctors jumping up in that,
(02:33):
all right. So I had sepsis sepsis shock with psychotic episode.
I had. I was on a respirator, kidney failure, liver
liver failure and a fib my.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Heart wait from from the jellyfish.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
From sepsis, which I caught from something that was infected
in the water. Oh yeah, Now you know, I don't
know whether you notice or not, but when these commercial
fishing boats go out, they have a bottles of bleach.
Anytime you get cut at all, especially if it's year
that was in the water, or like a hook that
(03:09):
that's caught fish you get cut, they downse it with
chlorofs to kill it anything, because that's how it starts.
You get your steps this from it's like almost like
a flesh eating thing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Back from Yeah, So anyway, I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
So I had seven skin grass and they cut my
leg about eight inches below my knee. So I have
my own working knee right, Okay, So anyway, this is
that's only the tip of the ice I get out right. Well,
first of all, I'm on my back three months in
(03:50):
a hospital when my legs severed, right, and I got
a bed sword. The bed stort took almost as my leg.
It was you can put your finger it was this deep.
So anyway, and my wife had a packet, and here
it's like she's almost ready to swear me off because
I lied to her about something and I got caught
(04:12):
and the doctor said it you got this in your system.
And she was like, well, what's going on? But you
have to understand something. I was in a two year depression,
and not only like you lost your leg.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
That sucks.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Guess what. I was probably worse off before I lost
my leg, because I have two titanium hips. I'll tell
you about that. I got a cage, two bars and
to replace this in my back, and I was hobbling
before I lost my leg even worse. I'm better now?
Are you doing more to be better? Now? Right now? Damn?
(04:48):
Nine months in a wheelchair, no leg. Then I get
my leg. I got it. Three weeks and I fall
in my hallway on a tile floor break, I break
my sixteen year old prosthetics, I and my femur. Now,
so I broke a fake thing and a real thing.
Now keep I had at that time too sixteen year
(05:11):
old hips. So now I had to replace a sixteen
year old and I still got a sixteen year old
on my right. So this is after this is after
losing my leg. Then I get that, get that taken
care of him. I'm getting better, have heart issue. So
for one month, you can figure this out. Every week,
(05:31):
I went in, say on a Tuesday, got out on Friday.
Next week. I was in on Monday, got out on Thursday.
For one month, and I said, something is not right,
what's going on? So I get there, they put me in.
I see you and they said, and I'm mister Kyrol.
Your liver and kidneys are failing again, just went rooted.
(05:55):
Now when you get there and they start testing, it
only stands the reason that if you're here for an hour,
the first testing starts coming back.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
So the one girl says, we don't know what to do, like,
you know, we don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Two minutes later, somebody comes like with the report they
found a leader of fluid accumulated around my heart. Oh my,
so had been slowly you know, you know, yeah, I
figure that's a half of bottle soda around your heart.
So it's got no no room to do anything. So
(06:29):
I was in aphib again. They shocked me back out
of aphib. They gave me uh fentonel and nitro wliscering.
Then no more come on oh yeah, Oh yeah. I
come out of the hospital and I have a catheter
and it's not gonna come out yet, it's not ready
to come out.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I'm like, I can't do this. One night it broke
and I got to rip my all.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
My betting out, my mattress, you know, my wife, I'm
taking it out. She goes, how are you gonna do that?
I listen, because that's what they do. That's exactly the
way to do it. So she goes a little time
of the block blood and it stopped. I was okay,
(07:14):
and all of him. I said, listen, I took this
thing out. He goes, well, have you been going you're
I said yeah, He said, listen to you want to
walk around with this freaking thing. How long am I
going to have it? I said, oh, I had to
take it out because coming tomorrow. So then I'm thinking,
all right, I'm okay. So he gives me, uh they
(07:34):
test your bladder to see how full it is. I'm
still not empty, and he puts me on this drug.
We'll check it now. If it doesn't work, we have
a thing called the turf. They're going to clean out
everything so that you'll be good, he said, and that's
not a bad thing. I said, doctor, let's just do it.
Then he said, now we'll try a little longer. Well
the medication still didn't work. I go to him and
(07:56):
I'm still not empty of my bladder and I'm thinking,
man and up with a bag again. Now he says,
we're gonna do the turf. I said, get me in there,
going in. Had it done. Now it's been a little
bit and everything right now is good. I mean, I
don't get up there every two hours at night. I
sleep and I'm gonna tell you this. See if you can,
(08:19):
I'm sure he's gonna understand it. The first thing I
became addicted to was adrenaline. I was an Olympic weightlift.
There was a teenager kid, little kid, wait for twice
my size, and you know there's people there. It's not
like it's a competition. I was an amateur wrestler. I
did great in junior high but at the same time
I was doing jiu jitsu. All three things. I was like,
(08:42):
I was strazzled, and I got at the body built
and then I followed my dream of wrestling. So you
go from adrenaline then every drug. Crown never shot any
drugs I never smoked crack. I never got but I've
thought a myria out of things, thank you? Where is
this that? Whatever? And the only constant for me has
(09:04):
been marijuana, which I've been self medicating, says I'm a kid.
I grew up in an Italian neighborhood with monsters and
was involved in all kinds of stuff. And I saw
things that I can't unsee and I'll never forget and
affect me for the rest of my life. I try
not to let them. But when you're a father and
(09:24):
you've seen what your true evil really lurks in this world, Yeah,
it's very difficult to live a serene life. But I
do my best, and I do everything I can for
my family. But my point being is this is the
first time in my life. Oh and you've got to
figure it this, Oh my antochronologist goals. You got to
get off met forman you you'll put me on it.
(09:48):
It's like I'm I decided to go on it. I
was on the maximum dosage and insolent twice a day.
I don't take anything but once more till now. I
went completely carnivore today, you know, in the morning. Then
I had three quarters of a pound of beef. My
dog gets a quarter pound ramped organic beef, no bread.
(10:08):
And this afternoon I had smoked salmon salad with about
eight things and a cucumbers, tomatoes, cilantro unite it. So
I'm trying to say that my whole life, I've never
been completely like the void. And I'm including all that
medication for all the stuff that I went through. So
(10:29):
you're a year down the road, You're like, well, it's
been a year since I had that thing done. Why
am I still on this right? Eliminating? What I would
do is I would eliminate one before I get my
blood worked on it, and I get my blood work done,
which would have to reflect I'm not using that drug.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And the doctor's like, oh wow, yeah, everything looks good.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I go, yeah it. I said, well I stopped the
pile of litison. He's like, oh, so wait a minute,
don't backtrack now you just said everything good. Now you're
gonna change your mind because I said, well, everybody's gonna
get off drugs and you won't have a job, right
right exactly. I got tired of that and I started
(11:11):
asking my doctor, well, what can I take instead? Okay,
fish oil, I could take fish oil and now I'm
taking it's uh oil over regano with black seed oil,
and it's I'm really it's like a not a cure
all but look it up. Do some research.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Oil of ale with.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Black seed oil. You gotta have. Black seed oil is
like the catalyst that makes it work. And you know
this kind of thing I've been involved in my whole life.
When we used to buy protein powder that you would
gag on if you had it today, right forty years ago.
And you know, I have a liver tableist just big.
You want to choke them down. But yes, how are
(11:56):
we doing? On times? I want to tell you something else?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, I was just gonna get in to you working
with Jason at the so we can wrap up.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Yep, So I'll finish with the other thing.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Was that right now? I mean, I have a beautiful family,
I got a beautiful dog, Tommy. Cairo's firing on all
cylinders again and I love it. And at sixty seven.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Right, you look great. I don't know how old you are,
but you look great for sixty.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Thank you. I think, really I think the key forget
all the other stuff and party, you know, I think
the keeper me was those medications were killing me. I
mean they were that foreman is a killer. Great. I
did it with my food, so I don't have to.
I don't any cards, so on smart. Yeah. Anyway, So
(12:44):
what happens was nineteen eighty six, I broke in. Not
too long after that, I went to underneath Johnny Rods School.
Underneath Lee Clice's gym was Bobby Boltle Ego had a
ring down there, and I went down here and I
met Jason on the first my first visit there.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Okay, we got in the ring together and like, I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Know, it must have been like a forty minutes later
we were like realized that all the kids are sitting
around just standing there watching us. We just, I don't know.
We just hit it off. Nobody said get out of
the ring, and there was so many things I wanted
to do and try that I never felt comfortable up
to that point. And I was like, hey, listen, I
want to try this bridge when you bridge up that number.
(13:29):
And we just hit it off and we've been, you know,
fairly close all these years. Nice he came around and
I always say, there's only one time I ever know
shows I didn't know, no I called. I wasn't. I
was booked on a show for Jason, but he booked
(13:51):
me so far ahead. And in between that time I
had stopped. My wife was after me, you know, please yeah, stop.
And I had a call and I said, Jesu, I
hate to tell you about I can't make it.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
I said, my wife just well, I can tell you.
She said, please don't go.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I don't labor. Yeah, I'm not comming. And I remember
I took heap for that, but they were just riding me.
Curtis hughesed, because you coming down and see me when
he comes down. You've been asked mama first, and listen,
I'm glad to have somebody to confer with, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Right, Yeah, I understand. Listen, I'm a wife and a mother.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
I know what you're talking about. What else do we have? This?
Is it?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
My family's first, and then everythings in the place. So
I totally get it. What you can do at the
school now?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Because is it still Assault Championship Wrestling.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Yes, we don't normally say that, but it's a c
W dojo. He's got another name for it, the hell
is it?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And I've got some look up Jason Knight. If anybody's
inter state.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Yeah, it's called a full infant no uh impact Central
Pro Wrestling dojo, okay, but you know a c W dojo.
So anyway, it started with another person that was involved,
who we all three of us know each other for
that long. She's not in the picture right now, so, uh,
(15:35):
I was left over, and uh, Jason and I have
always got along, and he always wanted me to work
with him and our work to work together, Okay, and
he got he married Asa and she's fantastic, very sweet
like her, she's great. I warned her. I told her,
I said, if you have any money that you want
to hold onto, do not spend a dime on this.
(15:58):
And you know, and I think she appreciate that. I
wasn't saying anything, you know, against Jason, right, it's.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Just the business in general.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, just in case you're
not ready, you know. So she's all in and she's great, right,
So the don't Joe is beautiful. So they asked me
to come along, and I said, certainly. I said, you know,
the problem I'm having is that I found myself driving home,
(16:27):
you know, nine thirty at night through the Pine Barrens
and my family's home, you know, And I maybe missed
that episode of Breaking Bed that we watched together, you know,
every night, and I'm thinking to I really need to
be doing this. So the next time I went down.
We have this young kid who's fourteen. He started when
(16:47):
I when we opened, and I was there from the beginning.
They have another guy that's been around the circuit. He
knows he's not gonna be doing anything, but he wants
to be a part of something as well as paying
for it. And he's got some hearing issues and some
other things very difficult, but he's made some improvement. And
we're not there to turn to anybody away. We're just
gonna be honest with you. You may have to end
(17:09):
up doing something else, right, but we got a place
for you. And I want it to be a safe house.
I want it to be a place where kids come
and they have more than just their wrestling training, because
if you think about it, I got a holding mostly
the fourteenth to seventeen. I want to be working a
(17:31):
lot with everybody, but a lot with them from the
sidelines and conferring and you know, but the thing is this,
we can't sell pro wrestling as a job or a
life long career to parents. We got to sell it
(17:52):
like in stead of going to the CRII school next door,
the kid comes here, instead of being on a traveling
soccer team.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
He don't want to do that.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
He wants to do this. It's just another discipline, right
when you go to Japan and train, if the only
thing different is what they're actually doing in their ring,
everything else is the same. Training is the same. They
don't smarten these guys up until they're ready to make
their debut, so it's the same. Yeah, And I think
(18:22):
the important part is that a lot of guys need
to be retrained. And you know who's not going to
come down here. People who don't want to be found
out and want to continue to work the shitty shows
with the shitty promoters and get nothing out of it,
And they won't come to a place that's legit. Because
if you say you're a worker and you want that
(18:43):
thirty dollars a month rate or whatever, you do me
your favor and give me five minutes with my trainer. Yeah,
if you can't do that, then we're going to put
you in the retraining program.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Right right, that's the way we can get the only
we can get on this, you know, and if we're
going to be in the game, so to speak, I
got to be at the top of it, and I,
you know, sit down, I'll write the matches out with
Jason and we goever over everything.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
And I love it. But I have to balance that
with my home life. Wednesday nights typically your Bible study
for my wife and I, but now that ends for
the summer, h and I fought hard to make that
work to go there to try to build my relationship back.
I had to do all these things and are built
into my life now and I'm not willing to give
(19:35):
them up. So I got to balance that with the school,
which right now it's okay because we're doing like right now, Monday, Wednesday,
and Friday. We leave the weekends open for guys to
if they have bookings, trainers, have bookings or whatever, or
for other things that we're going to do in the school,
birthday parties, you know, whatever Desert Way can do to
(19:55):
get somebody in that building right what we're trying to do.
So that means if you're a small promotion and you're
typically doing the thirty forty people and you're renting a
building or renting a rent and you know, mostly not
paying guys. You know, yeah, you could come here. Okay,
so we fit seventy people. If you could do one
(20:16):
hundred and forty tickets, you'll do a show at to
one o'clock and one at four o'clock. Okay, use the building.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
You know they need as much guidance as a lot
of these young kids.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I went to a show and spent seven hours a
couple of weeks ago, and it was not good. The
report card is a CMUs.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I find them real quick. I did find the info.
If you want me to plug it for you guys,
Impact Central Pro Wrestling Dojo. It's at three nineteen West
Landis Avenue, Unit three. And finally, new Jersey phone number
for anyone who is interested can call at five seven
zero six twenty one two three four excellent.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Yeah, and you know, and if anybody wants to get
a hold of me, they can get me on Facebook.
I'm taking calls from anybody that wants to work our
our tapings. Okay, you know it's gonna put in the door.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yeah, it's gonna grow. Well, here's tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
You're a guy. And I know there's like eight promotions
are doing the same thing. Guys are getting little or
next to nothing. All right, so you travel forty minutes,
you get twenty five bucks, you're in a hole. Fifty
bucks easy, I don't care if you're gone all day
and you gotta put Guess in a car and you
have to have a bite to eat, no matter how
hard you try to script and see if you're still
in a hole. You're in a hole or what do
(21:39):
you have? If you have a video, it's either on
a cat a phone, or it's a shitty audio visual.
It's a hardcam. Can't see anything that happens outside the ring.
The sound system sounds like crap. The chairs all all
look like they were mixed and mattural, bent and broken.
I mean, where did you start? What I mean, how
do you even get past? Then you got belts on
(22:03):
big out of shape people that can't work, and they're
the people that are putting them over are the people
who should have the belts because they got a black
guy that's six foot, two hundred and fifty pounds, looks
like a million dollars and he's putting over one hundred
and eighty pound guy, it's okay, but as a rule,
you know, you want to put your best foot forward.
(22:23):
But what happens even at that small level, they have
a large amount of politics, and instead of the best
people being in the ring, it's who did this and
who did that, who sold the tickets, who got store.
Then in the main event they got civilians and I'm like,
(22:45):
who are these people? Well, it's the guy that own
that has the connection to the building. Yeah, we'll chop
so much off, but you can go in here. In
the main event, and they had a kid who's evidently
a pretty good like boxer fighter. Every pun was like
by four inches. He messaged right, and I'm like, this
is this is horrendous.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
So listen. Am I saying anything that's not true?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
No?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
No, And I look at it like this.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
I'm gonna tell you what I did get out of
ec W and nobody can take this from me. Okay,
there's a chance that when Paul wanted to take advantage
of that kid Michael Fay getting caned in the locker
room that day when he said I need two guys
a volunteer to do this, and you're gonna have to
get your body and whatever and nobody fucking stirred. And
(23:34):
I looked over at the hack and we both raised
our hands. Now, let me ask you a question. If
that didn't happen, how do we know where it would
have went. I know that I am one of two
guys that started that whole fucking extreme shit. Come on,
how do you do Singapore canie matches for a year?
(23:55):
And that's not the beginning of it? Of course, I
kn't deny it. I feel like I feel like my
and Jason eighty years between the two of us. You
got like maybe Cashmere out there. You got what's his name,
Danny Cage that took over.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Monster Factory.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Monster Factory. There's a few out there, but how many
of them are are equal? And not only that, you
know I ran shows at the Tropical Count. I was
the first guy that was a wrestling I bought wrestling
back to the Tropical count for the first time of
twelve years. CO promoted with the WWF. I had talent
and it was it was awesome. So I mean, we've
(24:41):
done it all. Promoted, went out and put lawn signs.
I was the first one to do vinyl lawn signs
Pro Wrestling ty wrap them to the signs. Make sure
you go back after the guys that cut the grass
come and cut them down.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
I was a sign tender. Yeah, you know, I went
into a place.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
That had one of my posters up and my posters
sticking out of a flipper of the garbage can and
a new guy, some guy who just came in and
put his poster on our mind, and mine's in the
garbage sticking out. Yeah, well I found them. Don't worry
about it. I found them.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
But my point, my point is you say, well, what what.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Right do you have? Well, we have the right because
we're carrying on the old school tradition and we're not
just two guys that came out of nowhere. So I
feel like, if it's come and work for us, and
it not work for us, but come into our tapings
and you have you'll be broadcast somewhere to be shown somewhere.
If not, you have something decent to use as a
(25:40):
reference to show people your talent and a controlled you know,
environmental it sounds system lights. It's not a bigger ena know,
but it's something that we could keep under control and
get the production down right and give these guys number
one ring time behind the camera, and then when we
on any outside show, they get preference, they're gonna be
(26:04):
on a car. We're gonna use it.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
It's great, sounds great.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
And I looked at it like I've been given to
this business while I was coming up. Anything I could
do for anybody and get them a spot and get
him on a car, I could help them in any
way after I was in long enough to be able
to give advice, you know. And like I said, we've
done the promoting, We've done the training, you know. Now
we got to school and I'm gonna do it to
(26:31):
my best, the best of my ability a couple of
three days a week and hopefully get it off the
ground for them.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
And who knows what.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
The future is gonna bring.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I hope it brings everything, because you guys deserve it.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
You're welcome.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Jason's a good dude, you know, And yeah, I love.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
You, Jason. Let me beat the piss out of him
early on.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You know, Paul always put me against Jason, and he
was he was a pleasure to work with every single
time because he just let me beat him up and
let me shine.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
And I always every time I see him, I thank
him for that.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
So his gimmick is exactly the opposite of who he is.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
You know, right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I think most of us are because my gimmick was
nothing like really.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
I think I am, yeah, yeah, I am.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Well, I mean like Hack is one of them, Sandman Gay,
I played a character, so I am nothing like what
you saw on television. But there's a handful that can
just say it's them. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
I mean I always thought that you're any kind of
character you portray in wrestling. The easiest way for you
to know how to act and how to do your
promos if it's something close to either you know, something
you went through, or you can relate it to your own,
you know, personality, and it makes it easier to remember stuff.
(27:56):
You know. If you play a complete, completely different character,
that it's almost like you need a script, you know
what I mean. Yeah, I think for me, I think
I'm pretty much. I was always a neutral. I started
out as you know, mister New Jersey Tommy Kyle. It's
like a raw rod type of thing, you know, and
then I morphed out of that that ended up bold,
(28:17):
you know, shaving my head and I never felt more
comfortable than when I had the dog collar and a
chain that to me that that was me, that was
and to go to it, you know, and yeah, and
that's it. I more from that, you know, kid with
a half of afro. You know, when I.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
First got into business, I was young. I was twenty
eight years old.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Yep. Here I am sixty seven and trying to.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
God wash it. I mean, you've been through a lot
and you're still kicking.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
And I'm just very happy that we crossed paths and
I was able to reconnect with you again since we
did work together, and neither of us remember but now so.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
I don't feel so bad now.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Now as soon as you said that, I remembered the
exact match that it was.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
That's right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, thank you for that.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I'm sure it was fun.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And hopefully I will see you again down the line.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Someone, and listen, I just want to say I was
a fan of yours from the beginning and I saw
a lot of what you did and I knew that
wasn't you.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Thank you?
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Poor kid doing it is prap.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I don't know. I just fell into it, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
But again, if I didn't go through all that, I
wouldn't be sitting here doing this.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
So listen, we all have a purpose and a reason.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Shape you're you're one hundred percent correct, you're a doll.
I again, thank you, thank you for coming on. I
will be in touch in the future. And again people
can find you on Facebook just under Tommy Cairo.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Yes, and we want to invite you down to the
school sometime.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah if I'm if I'm able to do it.
I told you my driving is her undous. Okay, we
can talk about that later, but until then, thank you
for coming on, and uh.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Hope to see you in the future.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
All right, you take care, you take care of.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
So everybody. That was Tommy Cairo and.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't know if he clicked off or not. Are
you still there, buddy, No, I think he clicked off. Okay,
that was Tommy Cairo from the early days of e
c W. And I really quickly just want to promote
something that's coming up for me. River City Wrestling Con
(30:48):
is coming up the beginning of June.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Let's see.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, River City Wrestling Con June seventh and eighth at
the World Golf Village in Saint Augustine, Florida. That will
be my next appearance, me and the franchise. Shane Douglas
will be there and very excited. If you want to
get tickets in advance, go to my ex page. It's
pinned at the top and you can save some coin
(31:17):
that way, or if not, you could just come up
to the table and purchase whatever you need there. We're
gonna have eight x tens. We're gonna have some action figures.
You'll be able to buy a promo package from us
and shoot a promo with Shane and I. If you
ever wanted to be a wrestler, now it is the
time to do it. So lots of good stuff coming up.
(31:38):
But if you want to follow me again on social media,
you can find me at ecw DVA Franccene, YouTube, ECWDVA,
Francine exclamation Point and if you're not subscribed to me
on iHeart, Spotify, Apple, please subscribe or follow.
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We'd really appreciate it. I hope you're staying safe.
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I hope you're staying healthy, and most of all, I
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