122: My Occurrence With Shea Serrano

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I missed you, girl.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Girl, let me tell you something I missed you too.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Look at that tricep though you like that? Yeah, I
mean for a guy that doesn't even lift anymore, you
got a nice try try.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I lift a little bit. I left a little bit.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
No, you said you're just doing peloton, but you're not
like curling iron.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Oh No, I got a couple of weights that I
curl every now and then, just to you know, keep
my shit quick.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Oh. I just thought you were doing you were you
were on a quarantine trip where you were just like
Cardio nothing else.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
No, I thought you were about to say carbs and
nothing else. Yeah, I'm doing that too though. By the way, A.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Lot of love, A lot of love for the first
animation we put out.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I love it. I love it, and it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
It's only thirty seconds, but I've watched it like nine
hundred times.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, it's like when we first heard the uh, when
we first heard the theme song. I remember how crazy
we were going for the theme song when we first
heard it.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
For those of you who don't know this company, Cartooner
Radio is an animation company in Brooklyn, and they did
an animation of a moment of Donald and my podcast
of this podcast, and they just you know, tagged us
on Instagram and we thought it was so funny. We
hit them up and said, you know, can we work

(01:11):
out a situation where we'll obviously pay you, but will
you do like some quick, little thirty second moments from
the podcast. And they thought that was awesome, and so
now we were starting to roll some of them out.
In the first one we just put on our Instagram today.
Although this was this was this was this will be
like a week, this will be a this will be
like a week later. But anyway, they did the moment

(01:31):
with Donald giving Jeff Zucker and noogies, and the animation
is so funny. Dude, your eyes are all fucked.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Up, bloodshot dude, Like they knew I smoked that ship
and they knew I drank that ship that night.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Well, we did talk about how fucked up we were.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, but I didn't talk about how I smoked that ship.
Like when you when you drink, your eyes don't get
red like that.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
They made hot pink. But what they got, you know
what they got. Maybe they're listening and they got because
another episode I mentioned how when you're hammered you like
this this what do you call this?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
When you do this? It's a high step. I got
that shit from you though, dude.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Right anyway, just a drunk high step. And then when
they in the animation, when you're headed over to Zuoker,
you're like, get over here. That shit's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's funny.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
And what I love about on Instagram. I'm sure they're
doing it on yours too. People are like saying, Oh,
you got to do this moment, Oh you gotta do
the washcloth to be you gotta do this.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
They are doing that. What's crazy is that I think
you need to tell each and every one of your
followers that you demand that they follow me or fuck off, because.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I would never followers don't.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
I don't listen. I look at what your numbers are,
and I look at what my numbers are on Instagram,
and I gotta be honest with you, I'm a little jealous. Dude.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
You're assuming that they're all scrubs folks. They might be
some people that love Garden State and uh, and so.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Where my clueless people at? Huh? Where am I remember
the Titans people at? Where my motherfucking I'm telling you, right,
now where my motherfucking waiting to exhale? People at? Where
my karents ransome people at? Where my trip you people at?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Where?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Listen? I don't put it out there, man, because where
they at they need to represent.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Where your Homie Spamoni people wear them.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Homie Spamoni? Where my next day people at? Yo?

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Come on now, Homie Spamoni is a film that Donald made.
It's basically the plot of the Jerk, except instead of
a white baby being dropped off at a black family's home,
Donald's a black baby that's dropped off at an Italian
family's home.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Right. No, no, no, I'm not even dropped off. They literally
kidnapped me pretty much.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh they kidnap you.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah. They find me floating in the river in Italy
and the mom kidnaps.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Me like like Moses.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Uh well yeah, I guess so. But Moses was you.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Know, wasn't Moses put in the basket.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
And yeah, trying to escape?

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yes, I have my old Testament? Right, Well didn't they
put Moses? Who the wife?

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah? No Moses.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, and then Pharaoh's wife found her found out I
went to Hebrew school. Now, Donald, I have a question
for you, Homie Pomoni. For those of you who don't know,
will Pi Goldberg.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
The Great and the Great Paul Mooney, the great Paul Mooney.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Now do you, Tony Rock? You do an Italian New
York accent?

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Right? Ude? Give us you want to hear a sample
of my accent. This is the character right, listen, right,
my name's Renato, right, and this is how we do
things where I'm from. Okay, it's very simple. It's almost
like a New York accent too. It's like a New
York you know.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I've seen a lot.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
I was a lot thicker back in the day when
I was doing it. It was so hard like it
was thick, you know. Jamie Lynn Siegler, right, yes, yes, interest,
she was my love interest on it. She's like, you
sound like the guys I grew up with.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh that's a compliment because it was a compliment. I
think she's a Jersey girl, is she? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
They got a lot of Italians in Jersey.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Listen, I gotta tell you something. I've never seen that movie,
but if you.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Dude, I've never seen anything I've been now, I've seen
a lot of them, not bullshiting, man. I remember I
showed you fucking remember the t I was like, yo,
just watch remember the Titans on the plane. You got
halfway through it and you were like, I mean, no,
it's cool.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
That's not a true story. That's not a true story.
I'm gonna watch that film because I know how much
people love it, and I love Denzel.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I love so you've never seen remember the Titans.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I have never seen Remember the Titans.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
See that's what I'm talking about, right there, guy.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
But you didn't read the Garden State script, so fuck off.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
But I saw the Garden State script.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
And you you didn't even hold the script in your hand.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, I did. I know.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I said I would like you read this and you said,
are there any black people in it? And I said
there's two, but you're not right for them. And I
already cast method Man And you said that I'm not
read it.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
That's right, I do. That is true. But I will
tell you this, dick, What a dick, dude.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I'm gonna watch Remember the Titan. You know I'm gonna
watch it tonight. We're looking for a movie for tonight.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, please do all right, I'm telling you right now.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
I'm gonna lay it down. I'm gonna pay down the
log you know you have?

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Well, my kick ass two people at yo? Where y'all at?

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Kick cass too? If you Donalds and kick ass too?
Donald is now.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Talking about Donald and where y'all at?

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Oh, you're circling back to Instagram. Well, Donald, I'm sorry
that you're upset about this, but.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
The good not upset. I'm just a little jealous.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Well, I think that you should give some love to
the people that are following you in so they don't
feel like what.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
We don't matter to you, Donald, No, they definitely matter.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
You.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
People that following me right now, I love you. I
love you traumatic to me. Yes, you are special to me,
and we together are building a great foundation and an institution.
What is necessary right now is for you to tell

(06:45):
your friends that six hundred thousand isn't enough.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Tell your friends, tell your wife. Listen. Today's a very
special episode of this show because today's the first time
we're having on as our guest, someone who was not
on the show, someone who had nothing to do with
the show, but I wanted to have him on. We
wanted to have him on because he's an incredible writer,
and amongst many things that he's written, He's written a

(07:12):
self published book about Scrubs that I'm going to promote
many many times. It's called Where Do You Think We Are?
And it's ten illustrated essays about Scrubs and was written
by Shay Srano and it was illustrated by Arturo Torres
and it is really awesome. And he is, I don't
know how well you know Shay Donald. We'll get We're
gonna get him on before you tell me any anything
about how well you know him. But I follow him

(07:34):
on Twitter and he's very entertaining.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I don't know. I don't know him well, to be
honest with you.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
But before we get into that five six seven stories
about show we made about a bunch of dosa, he's
a stories.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
So YadA.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Ya wait for it. There he is wait it fresh,
cutting everything. There he is fresh. Therey is.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Oh man, it's so nice to finally meet you. I
am I am like one of your one of your
many many Twitter followers, and I feel like I know you.
But it's so nice to finally meet you in person.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah, I'm excited. I'm really excited to be here. I've
been I've been waiting on hold since twelve in the
afternoon for three hours now, just to do that. I
don't want I don't want to miss it. I didn't
want to miss this one.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
You know you've been sitting there. You've been sitting there.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
We didn't put you on hold. You just this was
like a self proclaim hole.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yes, he want to get he didn't want to fuck
up Donald. So he's been sitting there with his mic. Now, Shaye,
before you say anything, I got to tell you I
was doing research for the show on you because I
know you for being very popular on Twitter. I encourage
you to follow Shae and we'll get his handle out
before the show ends. But he, uh, I'm reading all
about you and your career is amazing. But I I

(09:01):
started reading like he wrote.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
This is second book was called the Rap Year Book,
the most important rap song from every year since nineteen
seventy nine. Then he's got another book called Basketball and
Other Things that Obama said was one of his favorite things.
And then he's got another And I'm sitting here going
I'm gonna lose Donald Faison to share like I'm sitting
here being like this was a this was a bad idea.

(09:24):
The man has written best selling books on rap and
basketball and I'm.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Going to lose him and you know what I love
and you know what I love?

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Oh shit, you know what. What's what's funny is is, uh,
I got a chance. I met Donald one time. I
don't know if you remember.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I do remember. I remember look his book. Before I
even read the book.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
Oh you read it?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Oh okay, I didn't read on like you read the
whole thing. Yeah. So but before before I even knew
that it existed, Zach was like you were coming on
and I look you up on uh, I googled you
and I was like, oh, I met this dude. I
met this dude. And when I was going to do
first take, I thought you were going to do first

(10:08):
take that day. Also, but I also met you. Your
wife was with you, right, is that your wife? Yeah?
And she and I got to talk a little bit
more than you and I did. But I remember, I mean,
and then I read the essay and you made it
seem like you were like all crazy, Like holy shit,
holy shit, you got a little bit cooler than that.
Now that my.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
Head his head, Yeah, absolutely, inside of my head. There's
only been a few times in my life I was starstruck.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
But it was me, Denzel Washington and Michael Jordan.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
I know, I know, I know, I'm watching you walk
in that room. I don't know if it's because I
was surprised or because I had just finished, like I
was already working on the Scrubs thing, so I had
gone through the whole series again, whatever it was. But yeah,
when you walked in there, I was like, holy fucking shit,
Like I was trying so hard not to not to
wig out.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
You took you were there for you were there for
a book, right, you were there for another book, but
it was it wasn't the rap book. It was the
basketball book right now?

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Was the basketball one? Came out in twenty seventeen October
of last year. I did movies and other things, movies,
and so that's when I was in I was in
New York, you know, doing all the press stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Okay, Rich, I'm sorry before we talk, get a word
in Eddy.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
See this is what's gonna happen. This is my nightmare,
right Joelle. They just suddenly they turned my mic down
and they just go off.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, I just wanted to get into the basketball thing,
all right, dude, get into you said you think my
game would be more like like, you imagine my game
being like PJ. Tucker.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna agree with that.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I'm gonna agree I knew it. I'm gonna agree with that.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
I'd watched enough.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah, a lot of jump shots, some defense,
very competitive and talks a lot of shit. Yeah that's me.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
That's about right.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I wish I had a little bit of a you know,
a silkier game. I wish my game was more like
Klay Thompson. But PJ. Tucker spot On, Man, he's a
he's a great uh. I don't even know if you
would consider him a role player. He's just like a
glue guy, right.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Yeah, he's in a sin player on that Rockets team.
I lived in lerrman, I lived in Houston for fourteen years,
so we were there like when he showed up. And
then he's one of those guys who, like, if you
go to the city where he's playing, everybody there just
fucking loves him. Yeah, because all the stuff he does.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, now, Shaye, I have a question, do you know
do you have your book? Like could Donald about your
wrap book? And Shay is everything he writes becomes a
best seller, including the rap yearbook the most important rap
song from every year since nineteen seventy nine, discussed, debated,
and deconstructed. Billboard said this was one of the best

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one hundred best music books of all time. Which, holy shit, man,
congratulations on an accomplishment like that.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Round of thunderous applause.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, Dan, please put in some thunder supplause. You won't
hear it, Shae, So just imagine it. It's just it's
like a stage. You listen to the podcast, right, Shay.
I've seen you, so you know you know how Dan
really brings the thunderous applause. Now, Shay, if Donald were
to say, because Donald loves rap, if you were to
like mention a year, you don't have this memorize, right,

(13:03):
or do you? Cause if he would just say, like
if Donald were to be like, all right, ninety seven,
would you be like, oh, this is what I wrote
about that.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
I believe, so ninety seven is puff daddy. If I'm
not mistaken, which I want to say, you can look
it up.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
For so good as sad as I am about how
much how well you guys are hitting it off. I
just feel like, once this rap conversation starts, it'll be
Donald's favorite conversation in the world because he really really
loves rap, like as long as I've known him.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, it's the best music in the world. It was
a can't Nobody hold Me Down?

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Can't know okay with him and Mace, with him and.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Mace, Yeah, Okay, that was that one because because that
was when when when rap had like they were doing
the whole shiny suit thing. It was like it became
all about opulence and.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
High vollume and high Williams of Mint music videos.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Right that those ones came a little bit yeah, right
right around then.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I remember around ninety seven, I just picked ninety seven Can't.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Nobody Hold Me Down? Was I wasn't HiPE william Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, I missaying because I was when I was peeing
fresh out of college. I was peeing on rap videos
in New York and I don't really know the music
that well, but I remember like HiPE Williams was a
god at the time. And that's right around the time
all those Mace Puffy videos were coming out.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
That was the one way they went in the desert,
right And isn't j Lo in it too?

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (14:17):
She's in that one?

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, yeah, yea, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Right Donald. Do you want to pick a year now
that he's got it up, Just pick.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Like I mean, but I mean, okay, ninety two, that's
a hard one.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Nineteen ninety two, oh, like I don't have I don't
have the book up. I was love after the song
I wanted to me.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
To put you on I don't mean to put you
on the spot.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I just wondered if you knew that's no.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
But I will say I know, like I know, ninety
two was nothing but a g thing. That was wow, Yeah,
that was right.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
That's a great, great record, man record that was really
really good. That Chronic was one of Oh my gosh, man,
there were a lot of great albums that came out, though,
I feel like in ninety two, you know what I mean,
that was it. Yeah, I graduated, I think from high school.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I'm pretty I liked that song rolling down the street
smoking and sipping on gin and juice.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
So that's not the Doggie style album. And there's like
there's like a constant debate between which is a better
G funk album, between between the Chronic and Doggie Style
both the dope man, pick one, pick one, which one
do you want to listen to right now?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Ship man. Well, because no, because what happened is.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
With to do it. What happened is it's hard.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Man, because Doggie Style, Nate Dog, all these cats are
on that record. Man, come on, this is it's hard
because like Dan, can you I take it back? I
go chronic. But just because of Deep Cover, I could
feel it.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
I heard that ship.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
I remember when Deep Cover of the movie came out
and that song was on the Deep Cover soundtrack, and
my boy played me that ship and we listened to
that ship over. We listened to that song over and
over and over again. And this is before the beef
with East Coast West Coast stuff, and it was just like, Yo,
this is the this is the dopest thing I ever
heard in my life.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
Yes, it's one of the one of those moments where
you like, I've never heard something like this. Yeah, you's
snoop sort of lollygagging out into song like who yeah
is this guy?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah yeah that and the beat was fucking fire and
fucking and then the cook was yeah and you don't
stop because it's one eight seven on an undercover cop?

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Was still ever make a documentary about this? Because I
read that there was talk of it. Did they ever
make it a documentary about you of your book.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. So what happened is a production
company got the rights for it, and then we signed
up with the Roots. They became like executive producers on it,
and then they sold it to We sold this series
to AMC and they did a six episode thing where
it was like six episodes. Each episode was about one
particular song. They're an hour long, and so it became
like a videover. It was really cool. I got to

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go out to New York. They did like a concert.
The Roost did a concert before that, and then they
showed the The one of the episodes is the one
that they did on on Jesus Walks, and it was
it was really really cool to.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
What It's so cool because as I'm listening to you
talk about it, I mean, I just think it would
be such an amazing I can understand why'd be amazing series.
I wouldn't check that out.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
I definitely yeah, it was great.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
You know what's neat is? So they we got all
signed up and they like, we sold the series and
they started working on it and they gave me a
phone call and they're like, hey, do you want to
call in and like we're brainstorming and helping out doing whatever.
And I was like, oh yeah, yeah, like that'll be
cool because I like I know a lot about rap.
We're doing this whole thing. And I called in and
Black Thought and quest Lever both in there and like
everything that somebody brought up, like I had like a

(17:35):
third hand story, like oh yeah, I heard a story
about a party that happened at this thing, And no
matter what it was, Quest Lever Black Thought, they were like,
oh yeah, I was at that party. I rode to Okay,
I don't want to I don't want to help anymore,
Like yeah, guys, clearly you got this. I was gonna
fall back.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah. You know, I've been at some places like where
crazy things happened, like and I was just I just
happened to be there when the things happened, like you
know what I mean, Like I was at the party
where Biggie got killed, you know, yeah shit, yeah yeah
yeah did you did you did you hear like the yeah,
I heard gun I was outside, so I heard the gunshots.

(18:13):
I also I spoke to him before all of it happened.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Oh shit, you never told me this. You saved this
for Shay.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Dude, you're not a hip hop You're not a hip
hop I mean, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
A hip hop dude, but I'm a pop culture fan.
You could have told me you read that fucking event.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, dude, I was at that event event and I
spoke to him, and then the next morning I found
out he was there. I actually found out that night
that he had gotten shot. Somebody came around the corner
and told me, you know, yo, they just fucking got big,
And I was like, get the fuck out of here.
And I remember telling Ricky Bell from Bell Biv Devaux
and he was like, shut the fuck up, dude, you
don't know what you're talking about. And then the next morning,

(18:48):
my boy Dion Richmond called me up on the phone
and was like, Yo, they killed big last night. And
I was like holy and and I was like, holy shit.
I was there, dude. I was. I spoke to him
right before, you know what I mean. I did this
couple of instances, like I was at Nell's the night
all that shit went down with Tupac and the girl
on the dance floor and stuff like that. Like I
was at the I was at the club hanging out

(19:09):
with my friends and stuff like that, and I was
there for like just a bunch of things. Man, it's weird.
It's it's my connection to hip hop runs deep man.
I love I love it so much. And when I
was when I was younger, I would be you would
frequently find me at some of these events that were
considered you know later on that were considered iconic or

(19:30):
pivotal moments in artists careers, especially in Tupacs and bigs.
Those were two big moment. One one was the death
of one and one was where everybody started looking at
somebody as a true troublemaker, which was bullshit, but that
was that was what. From that moment on, Tupac's lane
shifted from you know, actor rapper to activists to you know,

(19:51):
his whole run with death Row and the whole East Coast,
West Coast Beef and all of that stuff. A lot
of it stemmed from that moment. Do you wasn't even
Do you think I wasn't that I wasn't. I don't
know right right?

Speaker 1 (20:05):
You know, like that butterfly effect thing, when one thing
happens and then it causes everything to happen.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
If I take myself out of the equation everyone would
have got would have got Donald.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Donald like bumped into some waiter who then got into
bad mood and was rude to Tupac, and all of
a sudden, all this ship happened because Donald.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
Did do either of y'all follow a writer named Cheo
Hadari Coker. No, okay, so he he like works on
a ton of stuff, but he like worked on the
biggie movie Low Riders. Creed to like a bunch of
the stuff that I like, So I started following him.
But just today he was talking about, uh, I think
it was today, maybe it might have been last night
or yesterday, but he was talking about when when Tupac

(20:43):
did Juice, and he was saying, like when he got
the role of Bishop, which is like the guy who
causes all the trouble in it, Like that was the
beginning of his like gangster rapper, Like it's set him
on that path, right, Like that's just crazy to think about,
like little thing like that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, I was in Juice. I had a really tiny
role in that movie. And the one thing I remember
the most about that movie was the premiere and after
seeing it, and you know, Tupac walking into the It
was like a Lows on forty second Street or something
like that. It was in Times Square, I remember that.

(21:20):
And he walked into the area where everybody was being
let out of the movie, and it felt like he
had like the glow around, like the Bruce Leroy glow
around him, man, because you just knew at that moment
he was out of here. Man, Yeah, he was just
out of here. That's when I became a fan of his,
you know what I mean, Like as an actor, I
you know, checked on his stuff all the time, all

(21:40):
of the movies he made and stuff like that. When
I was younger, I remember thinking he's a better actor
than he is a rapper. Dude.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
I remember thinking that's like an argument you could honestly,
legitimately make like he was unbelievable as an actor.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah. Yeah, he was a very good actor.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
So say tell us, like how you came to Scrubs
and with this book, because I just I was so
moved by a lot of that. I mean, it's funny
your book, but also there's moments I was reading and
that would give me goosebumps, cause you articulate moments in
Scrubs sometimes I think better than moments and Scrubs even
were we right? And no, I mean and I appreciate that.

(22:19):
We love what a fan you are. And I was
reading something you wrote about the episode we're going to
talk about today, my occurrence, and I got goosebumps when
you wrote it. It was about it was about when
I find out that Brendan Fraser's character has leukemia and
Judy standing there, and I'm not bullshitting you. When I
rewatched the episode today, it was even more moving to me.

(22:39):
It was really unique. It was a really unique experience
because I don't even remember the moment And then I
read your essay in his book where Do you Think
We Are? And it gave me goosebumps. And then I
rewatched the moment today and I was so much more
moved by it because I had your backstory. So so
I encourage you, if you're a Scrubs fan, to get
this book. But anyway, I just wanted to know. It's
a long question, but how did you come to Scrubs

(23:00):
and then how did you come to write this book.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
I came to Scrubs late. This was this was back
when it was on Netflix, so it's a few you know,
several years ago, I didn't. I had never really I
didn't watch it when it was like got on an
ABC or NBC or anything like that. But I started
catching it when I think it showed up I got
on a Comedy Central, yeah, you know, you know, on
one of those cable channels. I was like, this is
this is like a cool show, but there was no

(23:22):
way to like rewatch the whole thing. You just catch
whatever episode you can. And then it popped up on
Netflix and Laramie, my wife, she also likes to shows
who were like, oh, let's like I haven't seen like
the first four seasons or something, let's sit down and
watch it. And so you like, that's how it started,
was a few years ago, and then it just became
one of those shows that we watched our whole way
through it. We we like fell in love with everybody

(23:43):
on there. And it was one of the ones where
it was like, it's been a long day and I
needed like unwind and relax and I need to like
feel some emotions of some sort. So let me put
put this one on because I think I wrote this
in a thing, but I think Scrubs is the best
TV show ever at like balancing between those two worlds.
You'll talk about it a lot of the time, like
how hard of a transition that is to make from

(24:06):
going from something like totally silly and like ridiculous immediately
into something just outlandish or you know, like crazy serious.
So that's how we started watching that show, and it
just became like like a ritual. Every so often we're like,
we're going to restart Scrubs again, We're gonna watch it,
and then that's gonna be like what we do.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Right.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I love it. And you and your wife get in
debates about the show I saw, and part of the
book is an email conversation you have about whether or
not she likes JD or not. Yea, And I really
appreciated your point of view more than Larmer because Laramie,
Laramie loves the show, but it's JD's not her favorite character.
And I appreciated Shay debating why he should be.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's like yeah. So that we started watching
the show, and I realized, like, you watch a show
and depending on like who you are, the type of
person you are, just watched it a little bit different
than everybody else. And I realized at some point that
we were very much watching the show differently. I was
watching it waiting for like the JD moment to happen,
when you like make your eyes water or you like
say a thing real seriously, and she was watching it

(25:13):
for like for like a Turk and Carlo situation or
a doctor Cox situation or whatever, and so like, we
should let you know, let's talk about this a little bit.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
And that was my favorite, my favorite. I was skimming
through the book because you know I'm not.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
But you don't take it personally. He skimmed through the
scripts for the episode.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
So one, I'm not a great reader. And my attentions,
my my attention focused on to if JD and Turk
were to ever do a buddy cop movie, what would
it be? And you go through a bunch of a
bunch of lists of what movies and I immediately went
for Running Scared with Billy Crystal Gregory Hines, Like that's

(25:53):
the immediate one I went to. And I was like,
I bet you he doesn't have that on the list,
And sure enough, it's right there on list.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
We always over the years, we've always talked about it's
never happened so far, but we've always talked about wanting
to do a buddy cop or buddy movie of some
kind together. I was obsessed with trying to do like
a Spies Like Us thing, because I thought Donald and
I could really do. We both love playing guy way
in over his head and the idea, and like, I mean,

(26:22):
I don't want to. I would never dare to attempt
to remake Spies Like Us because I love that movie.
But the premise of that, like two spies that are
are fuck ups that get in way over their head.
I thought Donald and I would be really funny at
But but it's funny that you wrote a section of
the book about that, because Donald and I always talked
about wanting to do something like that.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
Yeah, but like, yeah, go ahead, man, oh, I was
gonna say, that's how you could tell. I was like,
I had just finished up the movie book at the
same time I was doing the Scrubs thing, and I
had rewatched all of like buddy cop movies, and I
was like, yeah, this is like this makes too much sense.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Sit didn't work. Try it does make sense, man, I
think Turk and JD would and and it really comes
through Zach on the episode, first episode that you directed,
where we're doing the whole heathogram thing. It really comes
through there like that's a buddy cop movie or a
buddy comedy in itself, right there, these two dudes going

(27:11):
to adventure and it's a silly one too, so his
boy can get some ass, you know what I mean with.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
A letter from Elliot. Actually, Shay, you wrote that in
the in the book a little bit to because you're
talking about Molly Shannon's character in that episode, and that's
one of my favorite episodes ever. I uh, we bring
it up a lot because it was a pivotal moment
for me because it was the first one I got
to direct, and it was it was epic, and Donald
and I went on a quest that all took place
over in one night. You know, it's for budget. Most

(27:38):
of the time, we would you know, be confined to
the hospital with with going out a little bit here
or there. But you know, it's very expensive to bring
a full film crew out into the real world. And
and sometimes what Bill would do is he'd sort of
save up so we'd we'd have episodes that were mostly
contained to the world of the hospital, and then he'd
use the budget money he'd saved. Then we'd do like
a big ass one. That's why they'd be like the

(27:58):
Wizard of Oz or the Medieval Times or this one
with Heather where we were, you know, out all night long. Yeah,
I wanted to ask you, Shay, how I wanted to say,
just before we get into the episode. I really even
impressed by how hard you hustle and work. And you know,
we're both on Twitter. We're all on Twitter, and I
always see a lot of writers asking you for advice

(28:19):
and how do I do it. I'm just so impressed
with how hard you work. You write your ass off,
You then go off and you really talk to your
followers and say, hey, support the cause I'm here working
my ass off and I made a thing I think
you're gonna like. And I don't know, I just I've
always been impressed by how hard you work. And I

(28:41):
wonder if you, if you wanted to, could speak to
that for for anyone. It could be about anyone trying
to go after their dream, but you you particularly do
it with your writing.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
Well, I think that's that's probably like an extension of
several different things. We grew up, Like we live in
San Antonio. Now that I grew up like on the
other side of town, we were like real poor. Nobody
was like finishing school or anything like that. So like
that's always in the back of my head, like if
shit goes wrong or if I make like a few mistakes,
we could fall all the way back there. So that's

(29:12):
that's part of it. But also like in the in
the case of the the Scrubs thing, like this was
a thing that I was publishing independently. That is, you
weren't gonna find it in bookstores. The only way anybody
was going to find out about it was directly through
me at the at the start of it, you know.
So like I'm not gonna just sit there and cross
my fingers and hope somebody like bats their way into it. Yeah,

(29:33):
it's not you know, I'm trying to be like the
guys at the at the fucking mall that comes spraying
you with perfume, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm
gonna be that. I'm gonna be that kind of salesperson.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Or the guys in New York with the rap album
they always trying to get you to buy there.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
There strong dude, that's the strongest hustle level because there's
a part of that hustle is also like strong arming
you too.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
Yeah, I know, I always do it.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
I always do it because I feel so bad. By
the time you've walked two blocks with them, you're like, dude,
I'm okay, okay.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
You're out there slick. There's say they're smart. They're like, hey,
hold this for me real quick, and then you hold
it and they're like, all right, that's seven dollars. Like
what the fuck.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I wasn't even I wasn't even I wasn't even trying
to buy it, dude, I was.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
But they're the best salesman, those guys, because by the
time you've walked a block of them, you're like, yeah,
I do need to hear this. You're right, that does
sound good.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Sometimes sometimes it's like dog, okay, just give me out.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
But then they're like, Donald, come on, Donald, keep it real.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Donald. I seen that. This is what I hate because
I get a lot of this. I've seen you in
the movies. Dog, don't let me don't fucking let me down. Now,
I didn't let you down. Don't let me down. All right.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Well, I always think, you know, in my career, the
things I've done that you know, you have to put
yourself out there. You have to really you know, I've
write my own stuff. You get turned down a hundred times,
and you just got to keep going and keep fighting
for it and keep believing yourself. And I think that's
one of the reasons I really like what you say
and do on on Twitter, because you do a lot
of philanthropic things as well, but you're also someone who's

(31:07):
just like, I'm gonna do this on my own. Sometimes
sometimes a publisher will publish it, sometimes I'll publish it,
but like I'm always going to be doing my own hustle,
which I really appreciate.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
Yeah, thank you, Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
So guys, we're getting to the episode. But go buy
Shay's book. It's called go to the website Sacred Heart
Gang dot com right correct. If you go to Sacred
If you go to Sacred Heart gang dot com, you
can buy the book. It's a PDF you can download.
It's twenty bucks. It's really worth it. It's amazing. I've
seen some people on online or are printing it out

(31:39):
and kind of making their own book out of it.
But support independent writers. He self published this with amazing
illustrations by Arturo Torres and I can't. I really recommend
it if you're a Scrubs fan. It's it's very, very entertaining,
and even the part's Donald skimmed.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Can we talk about the illustrations real quick illustration? They
kind of look like the New York Times. I'm not
the New York Times the Wall Street Journal. When they
draw the pictures like they look like when somebody sits
in front of you and poses and stuff like that,
they're very they're very lifelike, almost.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Like like a portrait.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, kind of kind of like a portrait. Yeah, absolutely, yes,
especially the one with Brendan Fraser on the for the
title of the book. You know what I mean with
the inside when you get to that moment and you
even say at that moment, I didn't want to talk
about the you know, I hate talking about this, and
Zach you before we get into the store, I wanted
to say this. Also. It made also me watching the

(32:37):
episode again, it made it more impactful for me because one,
I knew how it was going to work out the
way you laid it out in the book. I knew
how it was going to end up, not only because
I was in it, but because of that but but
but it made it more impactful because what the way

(32:57):
you described all of what was happening, Uh, you really
told the story. Well is my point?

Speaker 1 (33:04):
You know, Well, that's good writing when you're like when
when he's he's he's writing his thoughts on something we
were a part of. And I never had this experience before.
I mean, I guess occasionally when someone writes a good
review of something you've done, maybe it's similar. But you're
writing his thoughts on this moment, and it made the
moment for me as a part of it more impactful.
I thought that was really good.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
And then even where and then even where it stems
from how you bring it back to the episode where
we lose you know, where one in three patients die
when they go into the hospital and everything like that,
how you connect the This is how Scrubs fucks you up.
They fuck you up by making you think you know
everything's all right, everything's all right, everything's all right, and
then just when you're feel like you're out of the

(33:46):
woods and you're safe, they drop the fucking hammer on
you. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
And by the way, this is how good Shaye's writing is.
He preempted Brendan Fraser being on this podcast. So I
want you to know, Shay that we and I'm telling
bouncing to the fans right here and now, that the
next episode will have Brendan Fraser on this podcast.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
That's perfect. That's perfect.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
So we want Shay's gonna come on and we're gonna
talk through Brennan Fraser's first episode. Then the next episode
we're gonna have Brennan Fraser come on and uh and
talk about it and then uh, well eventually I guess
it's season three, we'll get to uh, the big one.
That's a lot of people's favorite episode of all time.
This also when Brendan spoiler alert dies.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
This also is kind of a it's precursor the right
word to that episode. Like this whole episode pretty much
is a dream, dude that.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I didn't even remember that by the way, you know what.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I mean foreshadowing, Yeah, a lot of foreshadowing, right I.
I I didn't remember that either. And I've truly went
on this journey with j D through this whole episode
of him trying to, you know, rationalize why this, oh
this is a false positive test. This test isn't it's
not to co They're fucking up all day.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
I even made a note, and I even made a note, Wow,
Sacred Heart is making a lot of mistakes.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah. And also, by the way, first of all, I
was so fucking uncomfortable with Judy hitting on me, and
I didn't remember that at all, But because Donald's my
best friend in the world, I was nervous that his
TV wife.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Was hitting at me.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I was like, my stomach was getting uncomfortable. And then
I noticed a very subtle thing. I don't know if
you guys noticed this, because I'm just very aware of
the cinematography. I don't know if it was Larry Trilling
who directed by We mentioned that Bill Laurance wrote this
one and Larry Trilling, one of our favorite directors, directed it.
And there was this weird, sort of a very subtle
filter on the camera for that fantasy, that long dream sequence,

(35:44):
and I didn't remember that it was a dream sequence.
I remember, like, Jesus, why is this. It's usually a
filter you would reserve for a close up of a
woman of a certain age where you wanted to maybe
soften her wrinkles a little bit or her eyes. But
if you go back and look, it's on that whole sequence,
and I was kind of like, why is why is
this filter on? Like what? And then I was like
does this just look weird on my computer? Like what's

(36:05):
going on? And then when it was revealed that the
whole thing is a is a fantasy, I was like, Oh,
that was like a little subtle thing. You know, there's
lots of little subtle things either, but that's one thing
I noticed with the cinematography.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
It makes you want to go back and watch it again.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
It's a good show.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Show thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Well.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I'm telling you when you get chased, when you guys
get Shay's book, you're gonna want to when you read
his essays, then you want to go back and go. Okay,
now I got to rewatch that episode with this with
this essay in mine.

Speaker 6 (36:34):
All right, we're gonna go to break and we'll be
right back and back.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
All right, we're gonna go into this episode, guys, all right.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I got one thing to say when we start off,
What the fuck? How do why do we have like
a cheese plate with a meat cheese meat plate the
size of like when you go to a party, you
know what I mean, Like, it's it's our cheese and
and and we and we got like the rouse version
of cheese and meat, like it's only cheddar. It's only

(37:11):
cheddar and American and white white cheddar, yellow cheddar and
American cheese. And it is the worst cheese, proast, beef, turkey.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
It's cold cuts, rolled up what k.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
And we're drinking wine with that, And this is our
and this is our night out from the hospital, is.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Our big fancy night and Judy and Carla says she
got a nice bottle of wine and then Donald's right,
if you freeze frame at five seconds on the plate
we're talking about, it's basically cubes of cheddar and rolled
up cold cuts. Well, maybe maybe the rationalization was that
we didn't know we were just we were like, we
were so busy being doctors. None of us are cooks,

(37:55):
and we're like, oh, we're gonna have like an adult night.
That's what we do. They have.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
So this is a good example of one of the
one of the reasons I like to rewatch the show
so much, because every time you rewatch it, you're gonna
find like another little neat thing in there. So I
noticed that she's saying same same as y'all did when
I rewatched it yesterday and I was like, the only
person in this room who is upset about the situation
or the setup is Carla, Which makes sense because she

(38:20):
for that whole first season, second season, she's like the
adult in the room. Yeah, and the other and and
the other three are just sort of pretending to be adults,
so they think like, this is what is supposed to
look like.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
And she.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Probably probably Robby Shaye, probably Turk and and UH and
JD were probably tasked with getting a nice place. We
went to fucking the supermarket. We're like, got one of
those round jobs. Meanwhile, she went to the liquor store
and bottom expensive.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Right, and then we still fucked it up for how about?

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I mean, I feel bad talking like JD knowing so
much about what celebrities are are naked and what move movies,
but it was pretty funny when he's like frontal and touchus.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
They have something like that on the Playboy. I mean,
never mind, this.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Is obviously before a website has existed, so it does
come up in the episode, but I don't think we
should actively advertise.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Them unless you want to hear it.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Let us know, Okay, hit up Donald on his Instagram on.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Hit me up on my Instagram, but you gotta find only.
I'll only respond if you follow.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
But make sure you follow him because he's very upset
about his follower count. But if you really, if you
don't want to take the time to google it, just
ask Donald on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Share you want some of this, man, we can. We
can hijack. We can hijack some of Zach's followers, man,
and get them on my followers.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
He's blowing up.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
What did Shay share some of yours with me? Brother?

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah? All right, one day one twelve, I was kind
of taken, and I think this comes up in your essay.
Say if I'm not mistaken, But we finally see Cox
like someone. Yeah right, You know he seems that he
seems to never like anybody or at least be snarky
with anyone and everyone. This is this is sort of
the first time that he's really uh, we see how

(40:11):
much he genuinely is no bullshit. Has a friend.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Yeah, that's really It's really like an interesting creation of
a character is to put somebody in in his orbit
who just sort of takes away all of his like
protective armor immediately, Like he has another friend later on
the show, Michael Boltman's character Ron and when he shows
up and they're like clearly close friends, but but at
the same time they're like poking each other in the
eye every once in a while with something. But Brendan

(40:37):
Fraser's character Ben is the only time we see him
where he is just wide open and like just having
a good old time and he loves Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
It's it really mirrors Jad and it's like his turk
in a way, just solely in the fact that like
they're on you know, they're hugging, and they're and they're
joking about hugging and and they're just very they're being
playing silly games, the thing with the card on their head,
and they're just like they're unabashedly themselves.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Yeah, all of the things that doctor Cox says annoys
him about JD. Yeah, the things that Brent like he
talks in the voices, he's very affectionate, and I'm saying
like like, oh, this is like you begin to understand.
This is like why he has such a fondness for
JD is because he reminds him of this character.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
That's great, Ja, I really love that analysis, and I
didn't see it but it's funny. I was watching Brendan
Fraser's choice in this character for the first time in
twenty years, and he is playing it very goofy and silly,
and it's very JD like. And it's funny that you
say that that I never thought of it like that.
It's like you're seeing even though Cox has to keep

(41:42):
it down because he has to be Cox to JD,
there is the there must be some aspect of JD
that reminds him of his good buddy.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
You know, there's no question about it, There's no question.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
I like when I got to the bar at one
twenty three when I go neat Hug. Yeah, what a
fucking tool, Neat Hug.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
This is something that kind of bugged me the whole
time we made this show, but later on hindsight, being
twenty twenty nowadays, it's I wish, I'm so happy that
this happened. But Brendan Fraser brings a camera into the
episode and it's a polaroid camera, old school polaroid, old
school polaroid camera. And I'm not sure if we were

(42:29):
doing this before or if this is where it started,
but because of this moment right here, it's like I
have polaroids from you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
I can't answer this.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Okay, let's let's let's get into it, because I I
was wondering, we have all of these memories on celluloid
because of someone bringing a camera, and then it became an.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
All began with this.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Is this where it began?

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, So here's the thing. Krista Miller and I are
both photographers as our hobby, and we both are camera geeks.
We love new cameras, we love old cameras, will like
send each other eBay listings of cameras. She's a really
talented photographer and I like to think I'm not too
bad myself. When Brendan Fraser came in, this was his
real hobby, shooting with these old school polaroids, as you

(43:17):
guys see in the movie, the kind of polaroid film
not that just comes out automatically. You pull it out
and then you got it's like shake it like a
polaroid picture of these you actually did have to wait
for a minute for them to cook and then you'd
peel it off and then'd be a beautiful a shot.
And this camera that he's shooting with was actually Brendan's
and he brought it in, and of course, and he

(43:38):
was taking pictures. All the pictures you see at the
end of the episode in that tin that he has,
we're all shot by him over the course of his
week hanging out with us. And then Christa and I got,
of course, got so into it. We're like, oh my god,
we got to get one of those. Where do we
buy him? And then over the years, Donald that you
have a lot of polaroid pictures, because I have a

(43:58):
bunch of these cameras now right, and I'm sure I'm
sure Chris has given you some too, because she does too,
but the bulk of the ones you have, I'm sure.
I got super into it, and I was going on
eBay and buying all these old cameras. That's why. That's
that's it all started with.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
This, Okay, So all right, that's what I was. That's
what I was running because it got ridiculous too at
some point. At some point, it was like a battle
between everybody who took pictures on the fucking show to
bring in their new toy, you know what I mean,
whether it was a lika or a cannon or a
fucking or a point. This is the this is the
Rolls Royce of Point and Shoot or this is the.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
How do you think I feel when you're talking about
your new animation gadget? But listen, I it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I don't go to you, dude. Man, I just fucking
got a c stand. Man, I'm really excited. I don't
hit you up and do that ship.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
No, But on your Instagram you post shit like I'm doing.
All this is on the ones and I just got
this new gadget called l R two five nine. You
think I give a funk how you're animating. Just show
me to show me to finish product. No, but he's right.

(45:08):
In addition to Christ and I, there's also a huge
camera department and and uh and with all sort of
you know, everyone in the camera department loves cameras. So yeah,
there was a lot of camera talk on the set.
I'm sorry we annoyed you with that.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
It wasn't annoying. I look back at it now and
I'm so grateful for it because I have all of
these memories captured.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yes, now I want to know why JD, who's we've
established as a very good doctor, all beit young, is
passing out at a nail in someone's hand. I mean,
hasn't he seen far with things?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
That ship is grossed though, no matter how you look
at it, man, really how you for some reason he's.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
He's fucking cleaned out people's rectums.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, but when the ship's still in you, that's scary, man,
because it has to come out. And when it comes
Look you see in the movies, all right, you ready, one, two, three,
and then they pull it and the person it's like
that was the first thing I thought about, like they
got to take that ship out.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
It didn't cross your It didn't cross your mind. Well
as I understand it. Being a fake doctor, you don't
want to pull it out before you get to the er,
because then that's what that thing is, stopping the blood
from coming out.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
In some cases, yes, in some cases.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
By the way, I'm gonna take this as medical. Please google,
Please google the right thing to do.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Listen, because in some movies when dude gets shot with
the bow and arrow or something like that, or or
or or get stabbed with a knife. Yeah, and they
got to make the escape there. You know, it's the
eye cont it's the close eye contact and everything. They're
looking face to face and they're like all right, you ready,
I'm ready on three one two, you shut on three.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
That's true. Well, anyway, I thought it was surprising that
there's the episode begins with JD passing out and a
nail in someone's hand, like he literally faints. He literally
faints like a yeah, like a person in old movies faints.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Right like be still yeah, like like yeah, back of
hand the veples.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Now there's a real thing in hospitals, you know, mix
ups are are I mean, they've they've taken all these
steps in the intervening years between this show and twenty
twenty to make sure that fuck ups are very, very
very rare. I just started watching this show on Netflix.
There's a documentary show if you're into real doctor situations
called Lenox Hill, where they're following around real doctors, and

(47:31):
I just noticed that they go in to do brain
surgery on someone and there's those whole process where they're
like they're like, we'll be doing this on the right
side of the brain. Does anyone hear right? Raise your
hand if you heard right? And there's this whole system
in place now where the nurses are like I heard right,
I heard right, I heard right, and they're like sign
he signs his name on the woman's skull before the surgery. Like,
my point is, everyone in the medical community who listens

(47:54):
to the show is laughing at me because I'm explaining
it so horribly. But it made me think of that
because there's so many systems in place now to make
sure fuck ups happen less because it is a thing
in hospitals.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
But it's also really funny how they figure out the
mess up was happening, you know what I mean, Wait
a second, I imagine that this guy is Jewish, Yeah,
of course he is. Then why isn't his penis circumcised?
And then Todd runs in, Hey, doctor Wynn wants to
know if there's some sort of mix up because our
appendix surgery doesn't have an appendix. And then he walks

(48:25):
into the room and he's like, can you believe what
the whoa it's going on here? That shit made me
laugh so but by the.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Way, I laughed so hard, But I did it understand something?
I mean, I laughed so hard that. But isn't just
an uncircumcised phoenis? Why is Todd? Why is Todd so
freaked out by uncircumcised He's.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
He's not freaked out by it. But what it is
is it's it's you know, the person's covered in a
complete uh a cheet right, and it's covering their whole
body and the only thing sticking out and there's a
big light shining on it. Obviously is this dude's I
can't and his balls and his balls? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
But by the way, Donald, if you if you fans
are listening, go back. You can see when when Rob
comes in and says, WHOA, what is going on here?
You can see Donald under his mask start to laugh
and like, Donald, I can see you biting your fucking cheek.
That ship was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
He's fucking dude, man. I forgot how I say this
over and over again, Robert Macio, Holy shit, I forgot
how funny he is. Man. And we used to we
used to fucking fuck with him all the time and oh,
let's go run line and everything. But he fucking crushes
it every time.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Every time, dude, that's the funniest line on the show. WHOA,
what is going on here?

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Is going on here?

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Even in my brain I was thinking, like, well, why
is he so surprised to see vetus? But Donald oh Man?
Then I looked at Donald and I know that look
better than anyone that you're lucky by that. He's like,
he's like his face is like scrutching.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Up like this. Nicole Sullivan's back. Christain Miller's back on
this episode.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Yeah, Christ's back.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, the Nicole Sullivan's story, you know, uh, Shay, you
could speak on this also. This was one of those
things where you throw her in there just so you can,
just so the audience remembers, Okay, there's this character, and
we have plans for her later on and to make
this connection, to make to make what happens to her,

(50:36):
to make you feel it more. We're gonna introduce her
on some silly shit just so you're comfortable, like, oh,
this is just somebody who comes into the space, into
the universe for Elliott to make funny jokes with and
you kind of don't realize, Okay, at the end of this,
something's bad's gonna happen, even though we're laying out the crumbs,
you know what I mean, somethings you know.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, she talks about that in his book actually with
the Brendan arc of it, all about how Bill wasn't
was was totally not afraid to play the long game
with these people, right say, like like they laid the
foundation for Brennan and then that episode is now until
two years later.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
You know, So that's the like, the one question I
wanted to make sure I asked when I came on
here was when y'all are doing that stuff with with
with the the Cole Sullivan character or with the renin
Frage character, do you know ahead of time? Like okay,
and in fucking three years, this is when we're gonna
get rid of no of the you just sort.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Of we should throw it to Bill. Let's throw that.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Yeah, well, let's let's throw the Brennan one to Bill,
because that's I was thinking about doing that as well, Bill,
when you had Brendan on in season one for these
two awesome episodes, we have Shae Soronald here, and of
course Bill knows who you are, Shay, because he wanted
to I see him hitting you up on Twitter as well. Bill,
was was it your intention that you would kind of

(51:52):
play the long game and then bring Brennan back in
season three for the episode Everybody Loves at the Funeral?
Was that on your are this far out and because
we're because you know we're talking about also Nicole Sullivan character,
and how one of the things you did really well
in Scrubs was not be afraid to play the long
game with these characters. But first, well, Bill, please don't
don't don't.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Please don't do the s eight.

Speaker 7 (52:15):
Hey, guys, I guess we'll just continue this relationship in
which you only reach out to me when you need me.
And I'm supposed to.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Feel good about that. Now I do feel good.

Speaker 7 (52:28):
Look, Brendan, he's an old family friend, a good friend
of Christ's. And when we brought him on, initially we thought, wow,
that's back when we kind of bring guest stars on,
get to know him and kill him. But we thought
it was kind of a good enough thing to give him,
uh leukemia and you know, kind of see doctor Cox

(52:50):
rise to the occasion and deal with it. The first
episode is based on a short story called Occurrence at
al Creek Bridge by Ambrose Beers. If anybody wanted to
look that up. Second episode, it's just cool excuse to
use the worthless peons, Ted's band and and all you guys.
And Brennan was so good when he agreed to come back. Uh,
it was perfect because we were able to do you

(53:12):
know that sixth sense homage? So we always knew we
wanted to kill him, but we hadn't planned. Uh we
had hoped, but hadn't planned for him to come back,
and when that happened, it's one of our favorite episodes ever.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
All Right, we were we have a fan that we're
gonna take new commercial and then we come back.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Do we ever go to fan and then go to
commercial after the fan? How come we always got to
go to commercial before the fan? Is this like it?
Because and it's a seg it's a segment thing. I
got it, it's a segment thing.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, I mean there's when Joel we first started making
the show. Joel had a very organized list of the
way the show would go, and since all we do
is ramble all over the fucking place, we just occasionally
asked her if we should commerce.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I know, it's always like it's always a tease though
for the it's always a tease for the people listening
to the podcast. Oh we've got a listener here. Let's
you know what, we should probably go to fucking commercial.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
But I think that I think that you know, on
real TV shows and radio shows, you want to you
want the audience to stay on the line, right on,
right on the fishing line. When we come back, we're
gonna have an exciting caller.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
But we don't do it that way. We never do
it that way.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
We always try it that way. Let's try and sell
it this way. You want to try and sell it
like pretendant, they might change the channel or switch to.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
The No, no, no, no, no, no, no no no.
Don't you touch that down. When we come back, we'll
have that call.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Don't you touch that down. We're back in two and two. Oh, hi, guys,
what's up? Gentlemen? It's Dylan and who else is Cam?

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Dylan and came there's.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Your official Oprah voice. Guys. That's the price you get
for making on the show. You get an Oprah voice.
Intro Dylan and Cam.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Where are you guys at It looks like you're like
in a bunker underground. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yeah, we have a little bar area in our basement.
We're kind of hunkered down right here, but we're in
a lacrosse with gods.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Okay, Wisconsin in the house.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Noise. Well, welcome guys to the show. We we we
have Shay Serrano joining us, who's written an awesome book
on Scrubs and it's incredible, uh, best selling author, and
he probably knows more about scrubs than Donald and I.
But you can well that's because Donald smokes a lot
of weed. But you can ask us any question or
maybe you're off? Are you off this hour?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Though? Do you mean did I smoke today?

Speaker 1 (55:32):
No, because there was a couple of podcasts ago you
said you were taking a break from weed, and I
wonder if that's stuck.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
No, that didn't, didn't take didn't that night. That night
I went back to the well. Uh.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
He always tries to brag Shay. He's like, yeah, I'm
off weed. I'm like for how long? He's like an hour?

Speaker 5 (55:52):
How it starts, that's how it starts. One step at a.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Time, one step at a time.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
All right, Dylan and Cam, what's up? What's your question? Guys? Welcome?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yeah, good to be here.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Man, really big fans and a really huge fan of
too nice.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah great, you guys, do you guys up the.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Printed it out for you for you listeners? They held
up Shay's book on the office. Uh, and they had
printed it out and binded it. So these guys are
real fans.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Oh I love Yeah, I love. She probably my favorite author.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, thank you? Oh wow nice Shay? All right, a
question for I guess it's probably gonna be for Shay.
But Donald and I are here too.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
So I guess it's you guys can to hop in
with us too. But for Shay. So you've written obviously,
Conference through five Minutes. For the Office, you've written, where
do you think we are? For Scrubs? Is there another
show that you've been thinking about? Or is there maybe
one that maybe Donald or Dak would really like to
kind of see from you as well?

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Oh that's good, I like I like my part, But
you go for a show.

Speaker 5 (56:59):
There hasn't been one that I've thought of yet. Usually
whenever I'm working on one of these, people will like
start tweeting me, Oh, do the wire? Do arrested development?
Do you sons of Anarchy or Madmen or whatever? But
most of these things just sort of happen organically. I've
been I've been watching Scrubs for so long. I've seen
it so many times. It was like, well, you know,

(57:19):
let me let me do something with all of the
times I've watched it, And then it becomes like, oh,
I was actually just working hard all of that time
instead of just sitting around watching TV. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, that's a nice way to spend it. You're like,
You're like, I wasn't wasting those hours. I was writing
a book.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
Yeah exactly. I mean it's like one hundred and eighty
something episodes of the show you watched, pot ninety hours
of TV that you've seen four or five times all
the way through. But yeah, usually, just if a show
will grab a hold of me, then I then I'll
write about it. But I haven't. I don't have any
plans right now to do to do another one?

Speaker 1 (57:51):
All right, I have a nice Which one do you want?

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Which one do you want him to do?

Speaker 1 (57:54):
I was just well, the whole time he was talking,
I was half listening and half thinking. I think, I think.
I don't know if you watch the show, Shay Donald,
I don't think watches it.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
But I really loved Atlanta as great, and I think it's.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Ripe for analysis because it's got so many trippy storylines
and so much social commentary, and I just I just
think it's incredibly done.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
Yeah that's a really that's a really good one. But
they're not done yet. It doesn't they're done. Yeah, you
gotta wait till you get.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Now The Wire. A lot of people say The Wire
is I have to admit I only watched season one,
so please don't yell at me. But a lot of
people think that's the greatest TV show of all time?
Is that? Is that on the top of your list?

Speaker 5 (58:34):
Yeah, that's absolutely on there, The Wire? Breaking Bad Soprano, Like,
you know all of the all of the main ones.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Right, I've never seen any of these shows.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
You haven't. No, you've never seen You've never seen Breaking Bad.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
No, No, you only watched wat We only watched the finale.
It's the only episode you ever saw.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
So here's my thing. Here's my thing. I have a
hard time investing in shows because what happens is either
they get canceled or they disappoint you in the end. Right,
that's my that's my issue with things. I hate when
you know something, there's a cliffhanger at the end of
the season, and then the show gets canceled and you
don't get to finish, you know, and then.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Surely there's a series. What's a series that you watched
like that, you just loved all of it?

Speaker 2 (59:16):
The Clone Wars, it's got to be Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
It's only Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah, I mean that that that well yeah, you know,
uh that.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Was anything non Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
No, No, Like you know, Bill Lawrence used to say
it all the time, and it's so true. You you
tell people when you when people meet you and they say,
I'm such a huge fan of your show. Nine out
of the ten times, they've only seen it like a
handful of times, you know what I mean, and haven't
seen it more than that. And so I fall in

(59:53):
that category. If I were to see Brian and Aaron,
it would be like, I'm such a huge I was
such a huge fan of Breaking Bad. I only saw
the final episode.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I wouldn't let you admit that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
I already told them it's all over the air now
that somebody's gonna come back to him and say that
shit now, but you know what I mean, Like, like
I watch every now and then I'll check out a
CW show, right, Like I love superhero movies, right, so
I'll check out The Flash, or I'll check out Legends
of Tomorrow, or I'll check out you know, Arrow, And

(01:00:29):
I've only seen, like, you know, out of all of them,
I've seen maybe you know thirty of them total, like
of all of the show's total. But when I see
the actors and stuff in it, I genuinely do love
what I have seen, So I'll be like, I'm such
a fan of your show, even though I've only seen

(01:00:49):
each show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
So the message for all those actors is that Donald
is totally bullshitting you when.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I'm telling the honest to goodness truth like a Supergirl,
I have seen that time?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
You like it? What about small about Smallville?

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
I only saw that show a couple of times also,
and I like, you know, because Angel which one was
Dark Angels one with Jessica album, I didn't watch that one.
I didn't watch and I never to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
You also used didn't you used to watch? There was
a sci fi show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
You Battlestar Galactica. I take it back, if you do Battlestar, Yeah,
you should do Battlestar Galacta.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah, I ever watched Battlestar Galactic.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
There we go, Thank you, Zach. Thanks, I remember, I remember, I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Got, I got, was searching my brain for you. I
was like, I know there was one sci fi show
you actually watched that wasn't a Star Wars animated cartoon.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
I remember I got into an argument with my uh
girlfriend at the time because I thought she uh taped
over my Battlestar Galactica episode.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I remember, did you watch that one? Shay?

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
I did not watch Battlestar.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
You guys, Dylan Cam did you watch I'll start?

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Yeah, Well do you guys like it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Yeah? I might? Super big and like sci fi by
that one I was was pretty I think.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
As far as h like sci fi shows that people
have liked. That's one of those ones everyone says was
canceled too soon, and people.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Katie Saccoff is a She's a g if you ask me,
you know what I mean. Like, she's one of those
action heroes that is a good Like she's straight up
as a true action star who deserves the opportunity to
carry some project. They say she's going to be in
The Mandalorian this upcoming season as a Bokatan, which would

(01:02:37):
be really fucking dope.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
My grandmother used to live in Boca Rattan.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Right, Well, these characters, these these characters all travel from.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Does it take place at an old Jewish community center.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
And can eat as Joel?

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Do you watch Battle Starry Galactica because you like the
sci fi stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:02:56):
Yeah, I came very very late to Battlestar Galactica. I'm
currently in the middle of season one but really loving it.
It's amazing, It's excellent, good writing. If you're a Star
Trek and or Star Wars fan, you'll probably find something
like in Battlestar Galactica.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
All right, So guys, to finish that question off, do
you have a show that that like you would love
Shay to one day do a book.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
About each We're gonna ask both of you each.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Yeah, first, okay, I would love Breaking Bad personally. Breaking
That would be really sick. I think it's a really
really good show. Yeah, that would probably be my top tice.
Maybe Parks and Rack would kind of be a more
fun one. I'm more lighthearted, but but I would probably
say Breaking That would be a really cool one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
All right, how about you, I've always been.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
A hush fan of the show, Dexter. I would love
to see you do that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
In my opinion, and show start and then kind of
drop cop right to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Finish where I think Breaking Bad is better in the series,
but I think That's best is better. Yeah, I think
I think that's that's I kind of fall in line
with Donalds of kind of a slight disaployment at the
very end.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
But yeah, I was gonna say that's one. That's another
show where I only watched the last episode and I
was like, what the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Strange I've heard.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
That bulls Shady when Harry Mattseelly.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
It's a totally different example.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Do you remember when Billy Crystal when she's asking when
when she when he tells her how how dark he
is and he's like, I read the end of the
book before I start. That's me with movies. That's me
with television shows that everybody's train But that's me with
television shows that everybody's like, you should watch this, you
know what show you would like, You would like this
show now.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
But you miss you missed like the whole build up
of everything, like you can't. Okay, we're talking about Nicole
Sullivan's character. Yeah, yes, in the in the season eight finale,
when jad is doing the walk down the hallway and
she pops up out of the out of the thing
and she's like, there you are, and you get so
fucking excite, Like there's like a real jolt of joy

(01:05:04):
in your body when you see that. If you haven't
watched all the other episodes. You don't understand what that
you think, this is just a person who happens to
be you can't just watch.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
So then that makes the final episode of Scrubs a
good episode. It's a great, fantastic because the Breaking Bad,
the Breaking Bad finale is a fucking movie. All I
needed to know was that this dude, Walter White, was
this freak.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
I'm not gonna let the super.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Why why why?

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Because you you you will get so I mean, let's
just take Breaking back because I feel like it's a
show that everyone listening to this problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
That last that last right, But that last episode is
a movie. It's a fucking movie, a movie like like
it's just like the twenty sixth Hour with Edward Norton
where he finally where he's a board. I forget the
name of the damn movie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
But you can forget how many hours. There's a lot
of them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
There's a lot of them. But he fucking uh, he's
a drug dealer who goes to jail. You don't need
to know everything that goes on before the movie with
the movie starts, you're invested the minute he gets caught
out there after you know what I mean, and is
going to jail, and it's the end of the story.
It's his run.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
But you can watch that movie and understand all of
the parts by the time you get to the end
of it. If you only watch the finale of Breaking Bad,
like you kind of you don't understand why it's so
important that he saves Jesse in that moment. You're like,
I don't get it. Why did he save this one
kid and kill everybody else. I don't understand why he
had to walk through the meth lab the last time.
I don't understand why they play this particular song. Like,
you're missing so much of this thing that you got

(01:06:37):
to watch the rest of the episode. You gotta watch it,
all right. Wait, let's ask the guys if they have
another question. Go ahead, guys, do you have another one?

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
So, you guys have mentioned earlier in the podcast series
that you guys just to be roommates, right, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
We were roommates for a year, I mean for summer,
for summer, summer for a summer.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
So maybe I'm kind of stirring the pod a little
bit here, but what was from of your biggest pet
peeves living with.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
The So I got to the loft. First, we rented
this loft for the summer. And the loft it was enormous.
It was like your dream loft in terms of size,
but it didn't wasn't really that set up in terms
of like two nice bedrooms, two nice bathrooms. So I
claimed the nice bedroom because you know I got there first, right,
that's what you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Then I gave Donald what was technically the second bedroom,
but it had a washer and drying ron, and he goes,
who do you think I am? Benson? And for you
guys are young, you don't know. But Benson was a
show where.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Benson Benson was a show. Robert Gione played Benson, and
he was he worked for the mayor. He was an
assistant to the mayor.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
He was staying like pretty much like who do you think?
I worked for him?

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
And Benson was the one that pretty much ran the
country while because the mayor was this you know, bumbling Uh,
well he wasn't a bumbling mayor, but he was. Benson
was the one that handled everything right. He handled the house,
he handled everything. Uh And for some reason, uh, to me,
that ship was kind of fucked up that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
You can never like Benson should be the mayor.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Benson should have been the mayor, and the mayor should
not have been the mayor. But that's not why I
was pissed up. I was pissed off because it was like, Yo,
you're gonna put me in the fucking room with the
washer and drying of all the wrong look. It was
either that or like a law. It was like a
There was a cot right outside of his room, and
I was not taking the cote. Take the fucking cot.

Speaker 8 (01:08:31):
Fu.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Yeah. And then I didn't really have a door. So
we we we were very open with each other that summer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
We were very very open with the We touched tips
no no, no, we didn't. We did doc did we
donk And we never docked.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
We never docked. That was the midst of the dream.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
This is all gonna get this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Oh boy, now we're not cutting this out. Listen. This
is what always happens on the show. We say something
like that and then donneges we're cutting this out, and
then we almost never cut it out. We used to
play ping pong in our in our box.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
In our underwear do We had a lot of great times.
I remember I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Think the writer Amy Tan is that a famous writer? Uh,
Joel Okay, as I understand it. The writer Amy Tan
lived beneath us, and she was not happy that two
guys partying all summer were in the loft above her.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Yeah, and we would get a note like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
We would get notes like Amy Tan is furious, you
guys need a fucking quiet down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
She was like, she would write notes like do you
guys have fucking elephants upstairs?

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Because the banging. I can only imagine. She would write
some pretty unique notes though she was a written well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
She was a good writer. They were beautifully written.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
She wrote the joy Luck Club. Holy shit, we were
fucking with the lady who wrote the joy Luck We.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Weren't fucking whether, we were just having fun. And I
remember her very well worded angry letters.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah, I wish you still had them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Yeah, she pulled out the thesaurus for some of those.
We could probably sell them on eBay. Those are worth something.
Amy Tan's angry letters. All right, we gotta keep going.
Thank you guys for coming on, Donald, thank.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
You, Hey, thank you guys, appreciate it. What is that
on your shirt? Summer League?

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Yeah, Vegas Summer League. So probably knows about Summer League. Yeah,
and the yeah, basketball doak. You probably don't know too much.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
About what donald donald are you?

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
But no, we're big Bucks fans.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Bucks fans And okay, right on, how long do you
think you can hold at too? There?

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
For he's resigning?

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
You heard heard it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
You believe he's not coming to San Antonio show.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
I mean, look, here's the thing. Do they come out
of the word? I mean, there is no East this
year or West for the for this bubble round that
they're talking about at Disney, right, it's just a bunch
of teams thrown into a pot. Is that I think?

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
I think they are still doing the East West. It's
something weird though. It's kind of weird how they have
it set up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
It would be nice if they just threw teams into
a pot so you could get, you know, first rounds
with like Houston versus Milwaukee or Houston vers you know, Washington.
That'd be really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
But what's his name again?

Speaker 9 (01:11:12):
I want to try and use it, Jansa Joo. Yes, well,
I gotta tell you he's a really great player. And
what I like about him is he's always in the paint.

(01:11:36):
That's actually true actually, And he reminds me of Rodman
because he's always getting those rebounds.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Wow, not bad, not bad, not bad.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Not big basketball. Kind of a quick little share story.
We uh, I think back to the episode where I
don't think it was the standards. There's like a flashback
to where you guys got to go see Michael Jordan's
when we were in high school. I want ticket to

(01:12:08):
buck Lakers game and shout rest in peace Kobe Bryant.
But we got to see Kobe Bryant playing. We rolled up.
That's we're doing. Don't see Kobe Bryant and I take it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Take it unlike unlike Jad and Turk. You guys remember
the tickets. I take it right. Yeah, isn't that Is
that like in Scrubs? Lord Donald? Is that how you
began to lose your hair?

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
You first started pulling it out, and I don't know
how I began to I don't know how Turk started
to lose his hair. But that was the first moment,
the first that's one of the first moments.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
All right, guys, thank you so much for coming on.
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Appreciate Hey everyone, Wisconsin, come play tennis with the Zach
for tennis coaches too.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Oh really, right on? What I love it. I love it.
I'll find you guys, all right, guys. You know, I
appreciate that they knew how to tap into the one
sport that I could talk about, and there they were.
They were very good guests.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
I like that, Uhsi Massi is back this Yeah, which
is great. He went on to become a time traveling hero.
That was another show I watched, Shay Heroes. I watched
that all the way through.

Speaker 5 (01:13:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Yeah, by the way, a couple of goose I had
goosebumps multiple times in this episode. The first was nine
fifty six when they're playing pool in the bar and
Ben's hand is still bleeding and the look Cox gives
to JD. It really moved me because it's mynament. Because
I was reading your essays and now was all emotional, Shay,
but I went My first reaction was Cox can't hide

(01:13:46):
the fact that he respects JD is a doctor to
know that he'll know what that could mean.

Speaker 5 (01:13:50):
Yeah, immediately, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
It was like, you know, Cox is always fronting like,
oh the girl's name and JD you sucking, but obviously
under undercurrent trying to build him up. But that was
a moment of shock where he looked to it as
a peer, as a peer and when you know what
that could mean?

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
Yeah, that's like it. So you see you see him
do it in the in the pilot, it was like
the first time he expresses some sort of like not admiration,
but like you know, I'm gonna grab a hold of
you and take take care of you. And then this
time was the first time when he he doesn't say anything.
There's no words at all. He just looks and he knows,
and JD knows, and the only person who doesn't know

(01:14:28):
in that moment is Ben. He's like, oh, it's about it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
I was really instructed by the respect that he's I mean,
obviously in his mind wasn't I'm gonna now respect this person.
It was just it didn't he didn't have a moment
to put on his airs if you will, He didn't
have a moment to put on his front. He just
had an instant reaction to a fellow doctor and went, oh, fuck,
you know what this could mean.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
It's totally it's it's totally different than when you see
him at the very beginning of the next episode when
he walks into the room and JD and and Jordan
and Ben are in there, and JD's doing the thing
about like we knew, you know, you don't need a
we don't need a resident, We need like a hero.
And then he comes walking in and now now he's
prepared for the situation and doing the whole thing. But yeah,

(01:15:09):
you're exactly right in that moment and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Then and the second time. First of all, I just
want to say at ten or five, there was a
really cool transition moment that Larry Trilling did from I
love how they went from the bar right to the
exam room. That was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Also, before we before we moved before, before we move
forward with that, you know, he says, I've never asked
you out for a beer before, but he had asked
you out for a beer before, and that was when
he lost his ship and tore up the lab that day,
and he was having his worst day and you got

(01:15:42):
caught up in it. He does invite you out for
a beer. You guys go to a bar and you
drink beer, you drink together actually, so that was very
weird that he was like, you know, I've never asked
you out, maybe you've blocked it out. Whatever, I'm just
you know, you're just trying to show off.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
That you're like the Scrubs Wiki guy. By I mean
a lot of laughter on my Insta comments about Scrubs
Wiki guys. They were like someone was like that guy
pulled a total Dorian and that people were just laughing about.
How But no, friends, Trevor, we we got you. Now
you're gonna be our Scrubs wiki guy, right, Donald.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
I mean he doesn't necessarily want him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
No, but I kind of like that about his character. No,
but I kind of liked that about his character in
the show. He's like a reluctant. He like a reluctant.
He's reluctant.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
So, yeah, that's what you do. Think of it as
like the hero's journey. In the beginning, you don't really
want to do it. Yeah, once you get on board,
you're off to an adventure, that adventure of a lifetime.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Yeah, Trevor, by the time we do one hundred and
eighty two episodes, you'll be happy that you came along
on the journey and the other moment and the other
moment we got goo goosebumps. As I said earlier, that's
that Shaye writes about in his essay was when Jad
read the chart and sees that Ben has leukemia, and
Carla comes up and she says, are you okay? And

(01:17:05):
I just say no, And it was just really, really
powerful because it was one of those moments that she's
talking about where there had just been a silly moment
of of the fantasy of what happens in that in
that blood test guy's office, and and and and and
Doug being you know Doug, and then all of a sudden, bam,
we just drop in with, Hey, this guy we just

(01:17:26):
made you fall in love with he's got leukemia.

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
She's so good in like every single moment, Like she
has this this like a like her player efficiency rating
has got to be fucking outrageous, yeah, which is like
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Yeah, she's if you were playing if you were playing
NBA two K, she's like ninety six ninety seven, Like
she's like just straight up like she's glitch mode man
at that time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
I think that she is an incredible actress and in
the show, she was the perfect tool to use for
moments like this because she was the heart, you know,
she was the heart of She was the conscience and
the heart for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
At least the first two seasons. I think as the
show went on, she you know, she became as much
of us a character as we you know, as all
of us did. But in the first two seasons, she
was definitely the grounding factor to all of the you
know what I mean to everything m hm.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
So then we go into this fantasy that we don't
know is a fantasy delivery end of the show, and
all of this happens in Jady's magination, which which again
we talked about it early in this podcast, but you
know that totally foreshadows the giant mislead we do in
season three with with Johnny not knowing that that that

(01:18:42):
Ben's gone. So it's just really interesting that that bill
not only introduced Ben for for the long haul, but
then mirrored that sort of wacky fantasy structure.

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
Well, so when when when you reached out and asked
which episode I wanted to be, like, if I could,
if I wanted to be on a thing, that that
was the whole reason that I ended up picking this
one because I think this episode in season one especially
is like the one episode where we see the most
amount of tricks that Scrubs is able to pull off that.
Maybe a lot of shows aren't. So so if we

(01:19:17):
have if we put a list together, you have that
great scene where Elliott makes herself cry to get the
to redo the thing right. So this is like her
being very silly in this situation. But to do that
as an actor, I imagine, is incredibly tricky, just like pull
that out of you. So you have her doing that.

(01:19:37):
You have Carla with JD in the hallway and Carla's
doing her quick missile strike right here where she's just
like get a pump, a scene full of emotion. You
have the thing where they're playing with timelines, which they
use to even greater effect later on. You have the
gag with we we find out that the janitor is
in like the background of all of these pictures. There's

(01:19:58):
so much we have. We have doctor Cox using his
serious voice. He doesn't do it very often, but when
he does it, you feel it. And he tells JD, like,
your only job today is you get these test results
back like you love to see him drop everything do that.
You have Turk sticking up for JD. You have Brendan
Fraser swooping in and being just like the perfect cameo
character where you have to be able to tell a joke,

(01:20:19):
but you also have to be able to stick this landing. Yeah,
there's just so much stuff going on. This one episode's perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
By the way, say you just made me think of
something else, which was Sarah's bit which he really did
live on camera obviously, which which actors often have to
do and can always do, but Sarah does literally live
on camera. Here is get themselves in a headspace where
they can produce tears, and that moment really encapsulates exactly

(01:20:48):
what you're talking about in Scrubbs, being able to dance
between comedy and drama. Because what Sarah's doing is very funny,
but if you look at the words she's saying to
get herself to cry, it's very serious. Is the painful
stuff from her life and trying to impress her father
and whatever whatever she was saying, But it was like
happening simultaneously, is this thing you're laughing at, but what

(01:21:10):
the woman is saying is so sad? Do you know
what I mean? And then it ends with her with
tears streaming down her face. If it was a really
great acting woman for Sarah, she's amazing. What about Chop
Chop Nancy, Rapido Rapo.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
I remember that, dude, I remember that day. I remember.
I think that was one of the first times where
I was having a hard time with lines.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
I remember Chop Chop Nancy.

Speaker 8 (01:21:36):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
I had the whole thing where I was like, you're
gonna go back there and you're gonna do this and
blah blah blah. I think that was one of the
first times where I was like, I didn't study this.
Oh shit. Leonard makes an appearance.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Here without a hook arm, though without.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
A hook on his hand. So what is the story.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
I read on scrubs Wiki that the guy wrote perhaps
this episode is before his ice machine accident.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
I think it is. I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
I didn't remember that that Leonard had lost his arm
in an ice machine accident. Did you need that?

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
I did not either, But I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
I love that on scrubs Wiki it's like this may
have occurred before ice machine.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
We didn't have to because he had a hand.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
So, for those of you who don't remember, that's Randall Winston,
our line producer who not only played Death but also
played Leonard. This is his first appearance in his wig.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
And the afro. Isn't that big yet either.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
It's like he was he was keeping his throat tighter, right,
but he does he does not yet have a hook hand.
This might be I believe, the only appearance of Leonard
without his hook hands, so the ice machine. But then again, sorry,
I'm going all over the place. But this was a fantasy.
So maybe in JD's weird daydream, Leonard.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Didn't have to cook yet. He didn't recognize Leonard had
a hook yet he had.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
I hadn't noticed that Leonard had a hook hit, so
when I had a fantasy, Shane.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
That seems like something you would notice, though, I just
want to you've probably noticed that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
So it took me a moment because I've forgotten. Well,
I wanted to just mention in eighteen thirty six again,
Brennan took all those pictures and they're pretty great, uh pictures,
I believe christ this still save a bunch of them.
And then JD. Yeah, So then I was kind of
surprised by that reveal. You know, again, I've watched these

(01:23:32):
in twenty years. I thought it was cool to see this,
you know, and Bill was smart directorially and writing wise.
You needed something very specific to make the audience go,
this is the exact same moment. You need a device
because the audience is going to centerally track it. Keep
in mind, when people were watching these, they had commercial
breaks in and everything, so that you need the audience
to make sure they tracked that whole run. And he

(01:23:52):
came up with the device of the exact playing cards
on their foreheads.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Right. But here's the thing. He also made it seem
like it was a curveball. That's you know, not only
did it curve, but the ship was a change up too,
you know what I mean, Like, because you don't think
that the whole thing is a daydream. You think, just
when he gets the the paper the second time and

(01:24:16):
he meets uh, Brendan Fraser outside, Yeah, you think that's
all the fan that's just the fantasy. I'm gonna go
out there and hey man, it's just leukemia. It's not leukemia.
You're You're fine. I was wrong. I was wrong. And
you know, the circle comes around and it's got this
weird You think, Okay, so this part's the fantasy. And

(01:24:37):
I expected you to be at the door of the
exit telling him, no, dude, here's what I think you
need to You need to come back inside actually and
it doesn't even do that. It jumps all the way
back to the moment. And so it was like a
It was like a not It wasn't just one pump fake.
It was like he was under the rim giving you
the dream shake, you know what I mean? Like and

(01:25:01):
then you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
You know what's funny about that fantasy? You know it's
the writing is such that it's supposed to be. Oh,
Ben says he doesn't like post pictures. You'll know it's
a fantasy because here we are taking a post picture.
But what tipped it off even more from me was
that Kelso's happily getting in a picture with everything. I
was like, ELSA would never want to do with these. Yeah,

(01:25:23):
I think that's it, guys. I think we we did
the whole We did the whole episode.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Yeah we did.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
Chane, did you have fun? Are you glad you did this?

Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
I'm really glad this was like a you know, part
of me is like, these are two guys who I
have been watching for so long. I'm kind of nervous
to meet him. I don't really like to meet the
people who I admire because what if it turns out
their dicks? So I had that in my head. But no,
y'are cool. I hope you're better than I was.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Will you come back on is?

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Yeah, when you come back on?

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
Yeah, I'll come back on later on after y'all do
all of the other stuff for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Because I have a feeling what's going to happen on
all of our social media is every one's gonna say
Shaye was the best. Guess you need to have shade
back all the time. Carol mal Bear.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Definitely hashtack Carl.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Whatever happened to be.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
He we don't know. He freaking we went into the
party and he got he got jumped or something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:21):
Yeah, he definitely died on the show. In real life
he's still working.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
But on the show, you know he has a twin brother, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Yeah, And I remember one night we were out and
his twin brother. Everybody thought his twin brother was him,
and they were coming up to him going pedro.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Pedro, and as I recall, the twin brother was rolling with.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
It, rolling with it and loving it, and he was like,
don't tell anybody. I was like, I'm not gonna say ship, dude,
I thought that I thought you were the other one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Oh, I had people telling me that. I'm always say
that's funny, like Manny Moore's character does on the sh
and then I need to stop saying that Donald I
had someone write that to me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
You guys did date. Maybe that rubbed off on you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Well I don't know if that's the case, but all right, guys,
I want to get out. I want to I know
you can leave it. Listen Shay's handle on Twitter at
Shay Serrano s h e A s E r r
A n O follow him on there. He is one

(01:27:27):
of the most popular fellows on Twitter. He does a
lot of amazing I just talk for a second, shape
before we go about this cool thing you do with
the f O h army, tell people what that is.
Shaye will have like drives for people that need help.
He'll be like, all right, who's whose bills are we
paying this week? And then he'll like just venmo them cash.

(01:27:47):
So just talk about it for a second.

Speaker 5 (01:27:49):
Yeah, that's like the silly little sort of gorilla philanthropy
thing we started a couple of years ago where it
was like, after we had enough people following me on Twitter,
we were all grouped up together. If we got get
one hundred two hundred three hundred thousand people following, we
could raise a lot of money real fast if everybody
sends like a dollar or two dollars or whatever. And
so you know, we started doing that and then yeah,

(01:28:11):
when the coronavirus stuff hit, when the Black Lives Matter
movement started up after the George Floyd's murder, we're like,
you know, we're gonna try to help out in any
situation we can. So like people will send stuff to
me and we're like, all right, cool, we're gonna fund this.
We're gonna send some money out. So yeah, I think
like since March twelve, it's been you know, two hundred
and fifty two hundred and forty thousand dollars up, just

(01:28:33):
like straight cash. We've given two places of people.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
And do people give you I think just from following
you do. Some people who can afford it give you
like large sums and hey, say hey, Shay, distribute this.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
Every once in a while, somebody will hit me up
like and my DMS and be like, hey, I don't
want judits, like say where this came from, but like
here's five thousand dollars. Can you pay bills for people
until this is gone? Like that happens every once in
a while. Mostly though, it's like we're all gonna chip
in five bucks, ten bucks and see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
That's really awesome, man, that that's really awes and he's
so sweet about it. People will write him things like, oh,
thank you so much, Shay. I'm having trouble with my
bills and he's like, fuck that noise and he'll send
them money. That's awesome, awesome, all right, everybody, that's the
episode I want to thank We want to thank on
behalf of my co host and I Shay, you were
an awesome guest, right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Donald, amazing guests? A well, dude, this was this was
you know, always you never know how your guests are
going to be. And you're somebody who wasn't on the show. Uh,
but you fit in so well man. And your insight
on our show. I'm dead serious, man, your insight on

(01:29:40):
our show is is very awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:29:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Like I I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
And since and since the old Caramel Bear died, I
think I just hope that I just hope that my
persona on this podcast has made Laramie like me a
little bit more. I know that it was j I
know it was JD. She didn't love, but maybe maybe
she'll like Zach Brous.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
She loved Garden State, So you're good, all right, question.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Everybody loves that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Yeah, you should have been in it. All right, listen,
everybody go to go to.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Donald Donald underscore ason. That's I'm trying to get all
the Zach's followers. Okay, y'all need to come over to
the dark side.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
All right, come over to Okay, that's one way to play.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Join, join me, and together we will build this institution.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
And we will like weird memes. Listen, uh, combined strength.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Okay, we can end this conflict and bring order to
the galaxy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
All right. That's his audition monologue. Listen. Check out Chase
book a Sacred Heart Gang dot com. Please follow Donald
on Instagram. I'm really getting sick, you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Know, just just hold on. Let's be clear. Not just
the people who are listening Zach Braf's followers. Okay, follow
Donald followers.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Are tired of being accosted by you, and write Joelle
your questions at Scrubsiheart at gmail dot com, and please
subscribe and rate the podcast because I recently was told
that that's a real thing. That's good for our exposure.
If you give us five stars. I'm like the uber
driver who's like five stars. Five stars, So give us

(01:31:29):
five stars, right, Donald.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Yeah, please give us five stars. All right, and time, friends,
five stars are better.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Tell your friends we are hoping to one day when
the world opens up, tour this show and we'll come
to will will you? Will you come when we come
to Houston? Shay, are you still in Houston?

Speaker 5 (01:31:44):
I'm in San Antonio now, but if y'all make it
to Texas, I'll show up.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Well, wait, hold on, now, I heard something about Tim
Duncan and that being your favorite player of all time
is this year?

Speaker 5 (01:31:52):
Absolutely absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Why why Tim Duncan? Why before we go? Why this
doesn't even have to be on the podcast. I just
need to know this because Tim is one of my
favorite players too. He's not my favorite player. Why Tim Duncan?

Speaker 5 (01:32:06):
Okay, let me tell you that there's a very personal
connection that Tim Duncan has with San Antonio and that
he showed up and all of a sudden a city
that had an inferiority complex. You know, we're not as
hip as Austin, We're not as cool as as Houston
or whatever. They beat us in the playoffs. Blah blah blah.
He shows up and all of a sudden, we have

(01:32:27):
the guy on our team that everybody's afraid of, and
he's going to war and he's not backing down. You
gotta fucking kill this guy in the playoffs if you
want to beat him. He shows up, he delivers five
championships for us. All of a sudden, we have that
we I think he's the fifth or sixth greatest basketball
player of all time. We have him on our team.

(01:32:48):
He allows you, in your chest to feel like a winner,
to feel like a chepan. You know how it feels
when the team that you love wins a thing and
you feel like you're a part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
It's like Jeter to New York Man, exactly know exactly
what you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Yes, or Cole Milkinson in the original cast of Them.

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
Absolutely, that's what. That's what Tim Duncan did. So I
love him forever for that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
I hear you, man, I feel like he had a
lot of really good Uh if it was the Justice League,
he had a lot of good supporting characters. He's Superman.
He definitely had a Batman and it switched off between
Genobilie and Tony Parker.

Speaker 5 (01:33:21):
Uh, those guys were Those guys were great, but those
were not players you could take and put on other teams.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
And they maybe Janobili, Jenobli maybe you know, maybe Tony
in his in his younger years anyway, but.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Not Tony, not as much as Jenobili though, and.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
When he shut up man and when he got there.
He also had the Admiral David Robinson.

Speaker 8 (01:33:40):
He did.

Speaker 5 (01:33:40):
He did have Big Dave.

Speaker 8 (01:33:41):
He did that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Dave only got one. He got five.

Speaker 5 (01:33:44):
Yeah, yeah, no, Dave got two. They've got to them.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
None of them are as good as Mike Jaminski. All right,
we gotta go. We love you, Thank you, Shay. I
hope he can be real friends in real life. I
think you and Donald might hit it off really well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
I think so too. He's like he's like, he's like
he was a dick when I first met him. That's
what I got out of the little That's what I
got out of the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
No, you're cool, you're super cool, super No, you're on
your phone a lot. The one thing about that said
I got it was like down sitting between two fans
and he's on his phone, like talk to your family. Dick.
Maybe this white people don't follow you on Instagram. Fox
six seven eight stories. I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
We made about a bunch of dogs and nurses in
the janitor who.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
I said, he's a story next.

Speaker 8 (01:34:26):
All s know?

Speaker 6 (01:34:29):
So Yander round you here, YadA around you here.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Spoke means no

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