207: My First Step

On this week's episode, the crew becomes risk averse and Dr. Cox tries to ignore his feelings for the new pharmaceutical sales rep. In the real world, Zach and Donald talk about their new adventures in video gaming, and Zach talks about his musical themed Bar mitzvah.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I love the fact that you two went out and
invested in better microphones because you knew you're gonna be
on the podcast. Yeah, both of y'all speaking of recording, Well, Donald,
we handled it already. We handled it, We handled it already.
You're late. Tell Zac was what the problem was that
you sounded like shit? My housekeeper or my kids turned

(00:22):
the volume all the way up to ten. Oh okay, yeah,
I'm gonna turn Should I turn mine down to dannuld
sound sounds Donald? If you're gonna blow out doing an
Oprah voice or just going full Donald, back up. Good
advice right there. Yeah, okay, if you're doing one of
your classic Donald moments that's gonna make you go woozy,

(00:45):
you might want to just back up from the mic.
And I'm in no mood to be what you're trying
to get into a day shoon. What you're trying to know,
let's get into the podcast. How are you men? I'm good.
I got a little headache. I think I think may
have had one glass of wine too many that led

(01:07):
to a what's called a headache. Really, I drink a
little bit of beer last night and woke up with
a little bit of a. It's it's gone now. But
it was like a little bit of a stuffy nose,
like a little bit of a running nose. When I
drink a lot of hops, Yes, when that gets it
or wheat or whatever that is, Yes, I get a
little bit of a running nose. I've noticed, Like I

(01:29):
drink a little bit too much wine, I get what's
called a headache. That's because of the sugar. Though I
know I need to drink more water when you drink
your wine, of course you do, but I like it
makes me happy. By the way, a lot of people
were saying they do want to play the Bengo game.
I told you I was wrong. I told you so. Um,
let's get some Bengo cards from that or you know

(01:51):
it'll be good Joel. If we could get that guy's
thing and then have it be easily downloadable for people. Oh,
I could probably work on that, Yeah, so they can
play along. We might need different we need different Yeah,
we need different Bingo cards. That's what I'm trying to
tell you. Well, who's gonna do all that manual labor?
High fans, If you would like to make Bingo cards

(02:12):
available for free, you would have our never ending gratitude.
We can't pay you what we could our gratitude and
our love and our respect, and a shout out right
here on the pot I will shout out right. Not
not only that, but if you live in the United
States of America, we will ship to you right So,
just you know, if you're in the mood, if you

(02:34):
got the time, make yourself a fake Doctor's real friends
bingo cards so everyone can can play along and somehow
Joel will figure out a way to make them available. Yes,
we can do that. We can select. We can select
a winner at random. So just making the card does
not guarantee you some GTS kombucha. Just to clarify, I
can pick one of you guys. Joel's doing the small
print now, Joe, I think it's supposed to say that,

(02:55):
like fast and low, like defend your card. Um. By
the way, you are allowed to go to the UK.
Donald you have to just quarantine alone for fourteen days.
It's it's it's the uh because you know the UK
left um the EU, so you just can't. We're not

(03:19):
allowed to go to Europe. I got it. Isn't that
so embarrassing? We're so bad at this that we've been
banned from Europe. Yeah, that's how it goes. Yeah, that's
how it goes. We didn't exactly nail it. Now we missed.
We missed by a lot. I saw this graph. I
saw this graph that showed the first spike and then

(03:41):
it said, uh, it was labeled naive. And then it
showed the second spike, and it goes stupid like you
can call the first spike naive, but the second spike
is just stupidity. Well, you know, and I'm just talking
about this because it's it's been the whole year so far,
the whole year. But fucking put on a mask, guys,

(04:05):
all of this bullshit about I don't need to wear
a mask. Like I was watching the news and some
dude actually said the same thing that they said in
the beginning. Oh, it's just like the flu. If I
get it, you know, my body could fight the infection.
You know, I'm not afraid of this thing. He has
no idea. Now, granted he was coming from Arizona and

(04:26):
going to Florida, the two hotspots in the United States,
but still, dude, I read in Wisconsin they're having a
herd immunity festival where people that want to try and
get it. Are all going to meet and go to
this festival, so they think that they can get it
and create some sort of herd immunity. But hasn't heard

(04:46):
immunity proven not to work with this virus. Some people
have caught it twice. Yeah, and not in and I
think in Sweden they did a whole experiment where they
weren't gonna get it. Didn't work. It didn't work, No,
and it didn't save them any dollars for their economy either.
It has not been a success. Um, how are you Donald?
Phase on? How's I? You know the picture you posted

(05:07):
of your daughter in the zach brafftowl really is a
beautiful shot. It put a tear to my eye because
she's such a beautiful child and what a glorious towel. Anyway,
how how are you? How's life over your house? How
are things different? Man? You know? Are you still using
the inflatable the kids over the inflatable thing he bought
from the backyard? Yeah, they are. So we started to
do a little bit of golf. So you know how

(05:28):
I saw that picture of you and your kids all
playing golf. You know how I love to play golf,
so I took them to the driving range, and my
daughter's really excited about it. She's gung ho about hitting
balls with dad and she you know, she's she's picking
it up. My son, however, would rather play video games.

(05:49):
I made a mistake when I was when I was
a few years ago. Well, last year I introduced Rocco
to video games. Big mistake. Every word out of his mouth. Now. Now, granted,
his vocabulary has grown, uh by leaps and bounds, but

(06:11):
holy cow, man, if I got to hear about, you know, uh,
Minecraft and the Enderman and and and Jewels and all
of that stuff. Minecraft is his favorite. Well, no, he
has three favorites. Well, now four it's Minecraft, Zelda, Breath

(06:31):
of the Wild. I see Joel loves Breath of the Wild.
This is a child of taste. Yeah, well yeah, uh.
Star Wars uh battle Front, which is a first person
shooter game but in the Star Wars universe, and the
fourth one it just started happening, and it's like some

(06:54):
I don't I don't remember the name, something like Castle
something I don't know. Anyway, Hold on Rocko. We've never
gotten a feature from We have one feature a while
ago from rock Very spend a minute Marco's first cameo.
I'm excited to hear what this lastness. It can be Castlevania,

(07:17):
that's so violent. Castle Crashers. I thought it might be
Castle Crashers. Yeah, I don't know. Castle Crashers. What is this?
Four player co op? Very like low polygraphics. It's really fun. Yes,
a living room game. I love it. It's a living
room game, a game that everybody can play, a game
you can play in your couch. Everybody can play. Yeah, yeah,

(07:38):
everybody in your house can sit on the couch and
play a game. The game. Whereas Minecraft, you could play
it with four players, but that's just tough. Or two players,
I'm not sure. But uh, And I just got an
Xbox One, so I think I'm gonna try and get
into you know, get Castle Crashers. If you're into if
you know what you really you listen, I know, we
the Switch, Get that dude, and get Zelda Breath of

(08:01):
the Wilds. Well, that's what he's he's playing on Switch.
That's the one game he plays on Switch, and that
that game alone is worth buying the Switch for. Okay, period. Well,
I just got Xbox because I feel like I've reached
the point in quarantine where I'm gonna have to start
doing some new stuff and get the switch. Dude. But

(08:21):
to get into a video game, get the switch and
get Zelda. I'm telling you right now, I'm switching. Getzelda
Breath of the Wild. I just got an Xbox One.
I'm sure I can find a game to play an
Xbox One. Why are you telling me to get a
whole different system? Because this I'm telling you right now, dude,
if you want to play a game that's gonna occupy
your time and make your brain, do you know thinking stuff?

(08:42):
Zelda Breath of the Wild? Am I wrong? Guys? Please
if I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong. You're certainly not wrong.
It's a great game. There's also great games for I
will now return the Xbox One because I cannot think
of a game that I might like on Xbox one,
Sonabox one. I could think of game the back Paddle.

(09:04):
I don't know what type of game or zec is like,
what do you like in your video video games? I
don't really play, but when we were making the TV
show Scrubs, I would get into games, and the last
game I remember being really into was hit Man. The
first one. The first one, Okay, all right, they liked
it because for me it was, UM, I liked the

(09:26):
idea of like having to play a character and like
go undercover and um and like you'd feel your heart
beating when they were starting to figure you out. And
I really, I really like that. We finished that game.
I finished that game, that's how. But there's another one.
There's been a second one, UM that apparently is really
good that I never played third one on the way.
There's a third one on the way, so I think

(09:49):
I might. I don't know what do you call that
kind of game? That's what I like totally. I feel
like you might be like an Elder Scrolls or like
a sky Rim kind of guy. I don't like too
much wizardy shit. When people get the f out of here,
when people start like GTA might, when people start throwing
like wizard spells, I'm out. I don't like that. I

(10:11):
like reality. I started to like that one. Um, the
Spider Man kid is playing uncharged moment no, no, no, uncharted.
Oh Uncharted. That's a good one, great game series. Yeah.
Only problem it's for the PlayStation, so you can't get
it on Xbox. Sorry. Also, there isn't a Wild West
one that's kind of a redemption get that, yes, yes,

(10:34):
get that superword that at the second one red Dead
Redemption too, So just throw it out their Assassin's Creed
because I don't like that. I don't like those games. WHOA,
it's very similar to Hitmen, very similar video game form.
It is very similar. I just find it. It's weird
that I don't. I don't. I just don't like the game.
I don't know, that's just that's totally fun, totally Also,

(10:57):
when Cyber seventy seven comes out, Zach, I feel like
you really enjoy that game because you could create every
aspect and I mean every aspect of your character, and
then your choices determine the storyline. So there's not one
linear storyline that every player will have. It's entirely based
on your choices throughout the game. It's supposed to be
really good. I'm very excited about it. I tried to
get into GTA don because you were obsessed with it

(11:19):
while we did Scrubs, but I find it. I found
it boring after a while. Well, then you might not
like Red Dead Redemption too. Then if that's because it's
the same It's kind of the same thing as GTAP
was like going around, darn, we're about to get into
our first fight. Let's talk about this because every game
and I'm like, this shit is dope, You're like, yeah, right,

(11:41):
and then every game that you're like this shit is dope,
I'm like, that shit sucks. Get into No, we probably
shouldn't because we should segue off video games because there
might be listeners who are already bored as fun about
us talking about video games. We can do this later. Yeah, okay,
I should do a video game podcast. Okay. By the way,
I saw a lot of chatter or about people really

(12:01):
wanting a Donald Joel star Wars podcasts, So I think
you guys need a side hustle. I'm gonna agree with
a starting Star Wars. You guys can just go off
what You won't get stopped by me. You won't have
me going I'm so bored. You guys can geek out
about Star Wars. Forever wants to do a Star Wars podcast.

(12:25):
We're down to be the hosts of it, aren't we.
Joel absolutely absolutely, especially. I think between the two of us,
we probably know everybody who's either involved in like the
creation and or talking about I know, like it's one
of the talking heads from like star Wars dot com,
and you know, people like that to be fun to
do like interviews and talk about our favorite characters. I
can get you Deborah Chow, who directed a bunch of

(12:47):
the Mandalorians and is directing the new oilbi one series.
Want I tell you, I will sob openly. I'm so
obsessed with Deborah. Oh my god, get you your first
mega guest, Debra Chow would be our first episode. All right,
let me bring it to the higher up. We'll discuss.
I want to cut, and I want to and I

(13:07):
want to occasionally come on and be like this is
so boring, you'll never We'll never have you on the podcast.
Do you want to fucking count us in, Donalds, Let's
fucking start to countess in. But I also want to
talk about the fact that our neighbor in New York
City when we lived in New York. Yeah, he went

(13:29):
to Twitter. Amy Tan went to somebody hit her up
and said is this story true? And she was like,
I don't know, I don't know. She was like, I
don't ever recall writing a letter to anyone, but I've
had several people live sublet the place, So can you
tell me the year? And I'm gonna tell it the year.
It would have been summer of two thousand and two, right,

(13:50):
either two thousand and two or two thousand. Well, we
came out two thousand and one. Yeah, the show came
on and one, so it would have been summer of
summer two thousand and two. Summer it was the it
was the loft and soho and it was one right
above your loft, miss Tan. And we apologize. We were
young and we were partying and we were loud, and
if it wasn't you, well we were told it was you,
and we definitely got a letter that we assumed was

(14:12):
from you, and then we also got told we also
got told by whoever we rented from that we needed
to shut the fuck up, yeah, and keep it down.
And they kept our deposit too. I wrote a very
angry letter about them keeping our deposit. I do remember
that as well, Yeah, because I was like, this is
some b s because we you know, the place had

(14:35):
some problems. We loved it, but it had some problems. Yeah,
Like if you ever rent a place and it's got
all these problems, but you kind of suck it up
and you're like, oh whatever, then they try and keep
your deposit. You're like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa this way
saying all that. Now I talk about the fucking thirty
five things. We looked and looked at the other way
from like you know, like air conditioning. Right. Oh, it

(14:58):
was so high, like the fact that Donald didn't have
a room and started calling himself Benson anyway, said to
night Stories about show. We made a lot A bunch
of nurses said stories. So, yeadoo around here, yattoo around here.

(15:30):
I love you. Your beard's looking nice, by the way,
it's getting full grown in it. There's no gray in
that thing. There's a lot of gray in it. It's
just really I don't want to see it. Yeah. If
I grow a beard now, it's too it's too gray.
I don't like it. I feel that you have a
lot of gray. Yeah, it makes me look too old.
So I don't really do it anymore. Although I was
seeing on the interwebs they have this this uh die
you can put in your beard. Yeah, but then like

(15:51):
if you put your face on a pillow and the
pillows white, you gotta die all on the pillow. I
don't think it comes off. Really it comes off hell yeah, man,
oh you've tried it. No, I just think it comes off.
Let's make up though. I think the die is more
is more permanent. Okay. Heather Locklear is in this episode. Donald, Oh,
are you gonna sum it up for us? Yeah? I

(16:14):
am gonna sum it up for Okay. This is a
good episode, very funny. And uh. Heather Locklear is the
guest star. I think she does two episodes. Yes, and
she she gets the classic gorgeous woman entrance and scrubs
where she comes in the hallway and slow motion with
the fan and and uh, and she looks marvelous. But

(16:37):
let's first hear a summary. Let me get my stop
watch ready. Okay, I'm gonna be honest with you, guys.
This summary is really quick. Well, then you're gonna beat
thirty seconds. I guess I'm gonna definitely beat thirty seconds
this time around. Okay, Well, let's you know, don't because
this episode had so many things in it, but it
all boils down to one thing. Okay, stop watching. Wait,
but one second, I don't want you get too cocky
with your summaries. You have to really have to stop

(16:59):
watch ready and go all right, see this episode it
all boils down to one thing when you really think
about it. This episode is all about taking chances and
the positive things that can happen when you exit your
comfort zone. And it takes Elliott, J D, Carla and
doctor Cox this whole episode to realize good things can

(17:22):
happen when you step out of your comfort zone. That
was very good. You know, I noticed you slowed down,
so you were trying to make it fill the thirty seconds, right.
You know you spoke in a very leisurely pace. You
were because this time there's not because there's not much feeling.
The only thing you wanted to say was this episode
is about taking chances. So you were like, go, this

(17:43):
episode is about one thing. I got very I got
very Bill Shatner with it. Huh, this episode it's about
you know, do you remember remember when Um Schattner went
on SNL and uh, he was playing himself at a convention.
At a convention is like, yes, I have a question

(18:05):
in an episode three two seven, Um, what is the
combination to the safe? And he goes, look, I just
have to say one thing. After coming to all these
conventions and I get all your letters and your fan
mail life. I just have to say, get a life.
He goes, it was a show, we did it years ago. Great.

(18:30):
I remember that great, great episode, and I remember. I
wonder he must have gotten a lot of backlash from like, dude,
he is listen, I've I've I've met William Shatner quite
a few times, and he is a lovely man. He
is very funny and does not take the Star Trek
fandom serious like that seriously like that, like he's for real,

(18:53):
like on some I played this role. I love the
fact that everybody loves it, but that doesn't necessarily define
who I am. You know what I'm saying? Really so,
but so how are they? I wonder how those megafans
are with him, because a lot of people who are
in mega fandom pieces of content understandably and rightfully so
embrace the fan base and and do whatever they want.

(19:16):
And he embraces it completely. He embraces it, and does
he come to him He doesn't roll his eyes about it,
or I don't know that he rolls his eyes about it.
And I don't know how he is with his fans,
But when you talk to him about it, yeah, he's
well aware. I was in Star Trek and it was
a very popular show, and I you know, I crushed it.
That being said, you know he's a t J Hooker.

(19:42):
By the way, we're look what good hosts we are.
We're circling back to t J Hooker with with Shatner
and have the Locklan and had their lock there. What
an odd name for a show, t J Hooker. For
those of you who don't know, it was not about
a hooker. It was about a cop. A cop. They
a bunch of cops. They were partners, right. I never
saw an episode. I think she was on it. I
think she to This is how dope had a lock

(20:03):
leer career. Oh my god, back in the day. I
think she was on two hit shows at one time,
and I don't know if they were on the same network,
but I know she was doing two shows at one
time and both of them were hits, and she was
ratings gold well. She was on Dynasty, right, and she
was on melrose Place obviously what else, and she was
on t J Hooker right. I don't know if I

(20:26):
see it. It just seemed like if you wanted a
ratings bump and you needed some you needed to bring
the ratings up. You bring Heather Lockleer into the into
the fold, and she just works wonders on. She certainly
is a very pretty human being. And I think she's
also very very, very funny and talented. Man, it wasn't

(20:48):
it was it was she was on Spin City, she
was on Bill show, Spin City. It was also it's
like the perfect storm of you know, of talent. She's
very beautiful, she's very funny. You know she's coming on
the program, right, Joel, Yes, we have Harry schedules for
the next episodes. Absolutely, but the next episode we're having

(21:10):
her on Donald. How fancy is that? I love this.
I mean I think I don't want to I don't
want to let the fans down. I mean, you know,
you never know what can happen in in the in
the fast pace moving world of podcast booking guests. But uh,
so far, her, so far, we have her. I'm very
excited about it. She's um, she's um, I just wanted
to say, And she's she's having such an interesting life.

(21:31):
We gotta we gotta ask her, we gotta we gotta
go deep with Heather. Are you gonna go? Are we
gonna go? Deep. Are we gonna go Are we gonna
go deep deep deep undercover? Like Eddie Murphy and Benley
Hill's Cap. Two. No, I'm not trying to like ask
her personal questions, but I mean she's just had some.
I could say, ask a personal questions. Are we trying
to go deep? Deep? Deep? She likes Rocker. She was
married to Tommy Lee. She was married to Richie Sambora. Oh.

(21:54):
She she had a relationship with Jack Wagner, my sister.
I mean she rest in peace. And did she have
a crush on Jack Wagner? You know who that is? Donald. Yeah,
he's a great golfer Jack Wagner. No, but he's he's
an actor. No, I know he's an actor, but he's
also one of the best celebrity golfers. I think he
also sings too. I think my sister used to love

(22:14):
him so much. She used to listen to his music. Okay, No,
I've got her things up here. She's um gosh. She's
been on so many shows. Her first job, it looks like,
was on Chips as a teenager, Wow and t J
Hooker Dynasty, a show called Going Places, Melrose Place, Spins City.

(22:40):
She was on a show called lax in twenty and
forty five the melrose Place reunion. Geez, she works a
lot well her, it's heavi likelier. Dude, Hey, she was
in Uptown Girls. Yeah, wow, I mean, just to just
to show the audience how well we're dovetailing all this together.
Uptown Girls is the movie Donald made when we were

(23:02):
in New York, when Amy Tan got mad at us.
That's exactly this is. This is turning out to be. Wow,
it's almost like we planned at all. It's it does
seem like it's like our fans right now, the people
listening to this podcast right now are like they're making
this up, but we're not. Yeah, it's as though Donald.
So anyway, we're gonna ask her about some of that

(23:24):
we gotta I mean, I don't. I don't know what.
We're gonna ask her about everything. We're gonna asking about
Chattner's about melrose Place. Did you ever watch melrose Place?
I mean I did not. Yeah, it wasn't really aimed
at us. I don't think no, But um, yeah, Andrew
Shoe went to my high school. He was a very
good soccer. Nobody cares, Zach Oh, I'm just telling you

(23:50):
Andrew Shoe and and you know who his sister is,
Elizabeth Shoe. Yeah, both went to Columbia High School in Maplewood,
New Jersey. Now let me get this straight. Elizabeth Shoe Adventures,
Baby Sitting Elizabeth Shoe. Yeah, she and my wife kind
of look alike. Yeah, they have the similar hair and
similar chens too. You know who else went to my

(24:12):
high school? No, Lauren Hill. Lauren Hill drumming my pain
with his fingers, singing in my life with his words,
killing me softly with his song, killing me softly with

(24:33):
his song, telling my whole life with his words, killing
me softly. I love her, Miss Education of Lauren Hill
so much. With his song Oh that's that's You wouldn't

(24:55):
know that, but that's trip call quest right there. No, don't,
but that was That song was off the Fuji's album.
And but her solo album I loved so much. Yeah
that that record is one of the best records ever made.
I think I might agree with you to this day. Um,
she was at my bar mitzvah and um, you know,

(25:17):
we play a game at bar Mitza was well, at
least the kids used to called coke and pepsi And
it's like a dance floor game, like you're on one
side and your partner's on the other and your coke
and your partner's pepsi. And if they go coke, all
the all the kids run over and they sit on
your on your knee and they go pepsi and it's
like it's kind of like a musical chairs thing. The
last person there is kicked off, kicked off, kicked off

(25:37):
until there's only two left standing. Lauren Hill was my
coke and pepsi partner at my bar mitzphone. And that's
the extent of the anecdote. Did you guys win? I
don't think we want no. Well, because I invited some
jocks to my barmitz phone, I think they got really
serious about it. And you know they were Lauren and
I were like the two actors, you know, joking around.

(25:59):
We weren't like really trying to win coke and pepsi
got it? Would Can you tell me what song you
walked out to for your bar mitzvah and and and
how you and and the high stepping that you did.
So what happened was, um I entered my bar mitzvah.
So what they said, Oh my god, this is so embarrassing.
I love it though, it's so embarrassing, but you know what,

(26:19):
no one's listening. Um, it's just it's just so. The
theme was musical theater. Hell yeah. So you know, for
those of you who don't know, back in the day,
I don't know if kids do this anymore, but back
in the day, you're you're a bar Mitzva had to
have like a theme, and often kids would choose their
sport because that's what you know. My theme is soccer,
and like the centerpieces would be soccer balls and the

(26:41):
cake would look like a soccer ball, and it was
just you know that kind of thing. And uh so
my theme is musical theater. And um. The the company
that planned the party hired actors to dress up as
famous characters from the music from different musicals. Like one
guy was dressed as like a cat from Cats, when

(27:02):
Gal was dressed as someone in Sunday in the Park
with George with like a parasol. Someone was dressed as
like lame is you know, someone on a barricade kind
of thing. And and then so as I so, as
I walked into the room, these people were standing as
centerpieces in the middle of the tables frozen as robots,

(27:23):
and as I walked into the room, the band struck
up Let's hear it for the Boy, and then the
centerpieces all started moving at like robot like robotic figures
to the rhythm of let's hear it for the Boy.
And you high stepped into the and you high stepped
into your botta. Yes, let's hear it for the boy,

(27:45):
and the crowd went wild, and I can and all
the different robotic people moved it like robots to let's
hear it for the boy. Maybe he's no Romeo, but
he's my love love in one man show. Whoo whoa,
Let's hear it bother boy. I remember that, Um, I

(28:08):
remember that. My friend, my friend, Roger Heller, he noticed that, Um,
the guy playing in one of the cats from the
music Cats was distracted doing his robot dance to Let's
hear It for the Boy, And so he took his
spoon and he tied the guy's tail. I'm round up
a bunch a bunch silverware. So when the poor guy

(28:32):
when the number was over, and the guy was like
taking his bow and got down off the table, he
was clanking solar that Roger had tied to his tail
like like a like a car that had cans tied
to it. Just married. Oh my god, Oh my god,

(28:54):
it was so embarrassing. That's hilarious. Let's take a break.
We'll be right back after these fine words. Let's get
into the episode, all right. Heather Lockleyer comes in. Now.
I don't know if you know this, Donald, or if
our listeners know this, but I find that not everyone
knows this. This is a real thing that the pharmacutic.

(29:16):
Absolutely they send out. They're often beautiful women, so I
assume handsome men as well, but more often than not,
they're beautiful women. And their job is to convince doctors
to prescribe their drug and they'll they'll they still do
tons of shady stuff. I think some of it's been

(29:37):
attempted to be curbs because it was out of control.
I knew girls in my high school that would do
this right out of high school, like their first job
or right out of college. Their first job was going
to do this. And you got and if you're ever
in a doctor's office and you see someone come in
and they're all kind of dolled up and they're pulling
a little rollie bag, that's often a pharmaceutical rep and
you'll be frustrated when you see them go in the

(29:58):
office before you and you're like, oh, I've been waiting
here and now I have to wait for her to
go schmooze the doctor. And they always have. That's why
the doctor always has all this swag that we joke
about in the episode and the teachers, but that's the
least of it. They keep track of how much the
doctor is prescribing the drug, and if you prescribe it
a certain amount, they like can win vacations and trips,

(30:20):
and they take them to lunch and they buy them
expensive just like this dinner that's in this episode, and
they'll they'll they schmooze the nurses too, so they're like, Oh,
I brought sushi, I brought cupcakes, and it's all this
like it's like payola. It's like this super shady aspect
of the pharmaceutical world. Not that there needs to be
more shady aspects, but it's it's something that really really happens,

(30:43):
and it's really really fucked up, I think because they're
basically like incentivizing the doctors to prescribe their drug or
recommend it. Yeah, right. Well, in this episode, this drug
that she's pushing actually works very well. The only problem
that Cox has with it is that they've marked it
up so high. It's sort of like EpiPens. Repie pens

(31:05):
work great everybody. If you have allergies to anything and
you can and you go into anaphylactic shock because of
your allergies or because I said allergies, an EpiPen uh
can help save your life. The problem with EpiPens are
they're so expensive, and even the generic brand is so

(31:27):
expensive and very hard to come by. Yeah, I mean,
of course that and the marking up of drugs is
a whole other thing. You can That's why people drive
across the border to go to Canada where they don't
mark the drugs up like that. And and I mean
they have like literally have bus trips where they'll where
a bunch of seniors will get on a bus and

(31:47):
go to Canada to buy their drugs for a more
affordable price and then come back to this country. But
let's not go around a giant tangent like that, because
we can make a whole podcast about how fucked up
that shit is. But but anyway, this episode is about
a pharmaceutical rep coming to bribe everyone with pens and
swag and free steaks and sexiness and of course sexiness,

(32:09):
which is something that is a part of it. I mean,
I imagine in my brain some of this has been curbed.
But back in the day, it was all about like flirting.
I mean, all the girls that I knew that did
this were attractive women, and they would say, yeah, a
part of it is like, you know, gentle flirting to
get the doctors to to prescribe their drug. And then

(32:31):
they would have this girl once showed me. She's like,
you're gonna believe the data we have on these on
these doctors, like what they're prescribing, how many times they
prescribe our drug when they didn't prescribe our drug? And uh,
and they get they do all this sort of shady stuff,
like they put them certain doctors on retainer, Oh, you're
a consultant with our pharmaceutical company, which is basically just

(32:52):
fucking shady Paola, to make sure they're prescribing it. And
when it's not a when it's not an addictive drug,
it's like, okay, that's one of the of shity. Now
cut to it. When it's an opioid, and they're fucking
prescribing oxyconton and making everyone addicts. I highly recommend this
book called Dope Sick if you want to read about this.
It's about how the pharmaco industry, particularly Purdue Pharma, got

(33:15):
in basically turning in so many people into opioid addicts
because of the overprescription of oxyconton. And I just finished
this book and it's amazing, and I think Michael Keaton
is gonna make it into a many series. But don't
wait for that. Read the book Dope Sick. The episode
starts off with people getting hurt. This kid's gotten hurt,

(33:36):
got hurt, and you watched him get hurt one video. Yes,
I gotta be honest with you. I watched a lot
of crazy shit because I enjoy watching people get hurt.
But then it turns, it turns, you know sometimes like
sometimes it's like, wow, that was funny. He fell and
hurt himself, he busted his ass. But then the things
that you can see on the internet on like Instagram,

(33:56):
now some of these things you're like, I don't want
to watch that, you know what I mean? This is harmless.
Him crushing his nuts on a rail, do you do
you WinCE when you watch someone get their nuts hurt?
I feel a pain in my in my and my
and my genitals whenever I see anyone get hurt. It's
like a It's a quick pain. I don't know if
women understand this, And not to say that it doesn't

(34:16):
hurt when they hurt their groins, but but men have
a physical just reaction when you see someone hurt their
nuts where you you kind I kind of grab mine
if I'm alone and I'm allowed to, and just make
sure that they're okay. No, I I have this happens
to me if I see anyone get hurt. Ever, dude, ever,
if anyone I'm talking particularly a testicle moment like this. Yeah, ten,

(34:39):
this episode, he's he lands on a on a railing
skateboarding and he lands on the railing on his nuts.
It depends on how to watch. It depends on how
unsuspected it is, you know what I mean, Like we
knew watching this that the kid's gonna crush his nuts,
So I didn't necessarily flinch as hard as if I
were watching something and out of nowhere somebody gets pummeled

(35:01):
in the in the in the balls. That's when I'm like,
oh my god, and I and I flint and I
feel that sharp pain in my test. He's from it. Yeah, yeah,
I I I crushed. I clutched my balls when I
saw this kid fall over and over and over again.
I thought that she was hilarious. Now when she walks
in and does her his slow motion sexy walk in, Um,

(35:21):
they cut you cut to a fantasy and it's me
and Deontay Gordon, who's Donald standing, who's often in the background,
UM is next to me, and he's wearing Pooka shells.
Did you notice that? I did? I do remember when
Deonta used to wear Pooka shells. No, but that's hilarious.
I mean, I haven't seen someone were Pooka shells since
I was a child, and I didn't really notice that
Deontay was walking around the scrub stet we're wearing Pooka shells.

(35:43):
This was also twenty years ago, but but still, Pooka
shells were not in in two thousand and two. I'm
sure they were because they were. I think it's like
a choker too. It's not like unless it's like you know,
you know, like the women had this style. How a
few years ago where they're all wearing the tight chokers
around their neck. Yeah, what was the purpose of that?

(36:04):
Can we what was? What was? Chokers look awesome? There's
no no, they look awesome all the time in Victorian
times when they were hitting in the eighties and the nineties. Now, chokers,
I don't nice. It just looks weird to have a
black ribbon around your neck. Are you ready to husband
fell off? Take them off? Well, they're gone again, jewel Right,

(36:25):
the fad was strong for a couple of years. Now
I feel like it's gone again. Yeah. The punk princesses
are They're colder on strong. I love them. Rock on girls.
Uh yeah, not cea On like Vogue anymore or anything
like that though. No. And I would say Pooka Shells, yes,
early two thousands because the OC was around and those
had Oh maybe Deonte was inspired by the OC. Deonta's

(36:48):
from California. Deontay went to school in OC type of
high school. Yeah, man, so he wanted to be and
then he went to I think Deontay went to like
UC Hanna Barbara or something like that, one of the
party schools. You see one of those you see party schools. Well,
all I know is it's a very funny site watching

(37:09):
Deontay wearing a puka shell choker. Yeah, hilarious. And then
the corpse sitting up because of how hot Heather Locklear is.
That is funny, and she rubs his she rubs his
head through the body bag and then I give a
little like that's a gift. I see a lot. Is
that moment where where she like blows a kiss and
I do a little I do a little like kiss

(37:31):
to her? Is that a that a that? Yeah, I'm
gonna send you that gift after we get off the podcast. Right,
it's a funny one. But yeah, so Deontay and puka
shells his face is really funny too. Yeah, if you
if you guys are watching this, go to go around
uh two h six and you'll see this moment. It's
really really funny. And then threesome talk. Carla is very

(37:53):
into a threesome if it's with Heather Locklear, right, but
she's kind of talking smack because he doesn't know that
you're gonna go and try and she says, she's like,
oh you know, yeah, that's with someone like her, I'll
do it. And then she doesn't know that you're like
you when you go try and you gotta try and
chat Heather up right. The new title sequences back, and

(38:13):
I saw on wiki scrubs wiki that it's the last
time it's ever seen, So for those of you who
love it and uh and liked it, this is the
last episode it's ever seen, and then it's retired forever.
I thought that there's another change to the title at
some point where it just goes Superman, I'm no Superman. Yeah. Eventually,

(38:34):
what happens every every season, they kept cutting the amount
of show back to put in more advertiser time, and
so then it became like, well, we don't have time
for all of this whole title sequence. So then it
was just like I'm no Superman and that was it. Yeah. Yeah, Actually,
another thing I read on scrubs wiki, interestingly was that
this episode when it first aired was a supersized one,

(38:56):
so it was ten minutes longer. Remember that NBC at
the time was doing some supersized episodes, right, so they
still do that. Well, there's ten minutes of the show
that aren't on the one I watched that that we're
on when it aired, so god knows what those ten
minutes were, Oh, so there's show missing. Yeah, well, I
mean I watched it on iTunes. You watched on Hulu. Yeah,

(39:17):
well it was. If it was I think it was
twenty four minutes or something. But but there's a thirty
four minute version of this episode somewhere. I wonder if
that's on the DVDs or not. Probably that I don't know. Um.
I like when I try and hit on her at
three thirty three, I'm like, she goes, I'm Julie, I go,
were you named after a jewel? He he's so bad

(39:40):
at hitting on women, this guy. Yeah, well he's you know,
he's a nerds. Yeah, he's he's he's this is the
it's so charming though, you know, no friend nerd. He
does get some pretty amazing women. Yeah, he's so charming.
He's charming. He's a charming he's charming, and he's a
doctor and he's goofy um, I'd like yeah, but again,

(40:05):
in the spirit of flirting, she's like, come grab a
pen and they're like all right above her breast. Yeah,
you know, it's all about like, you know, one by one,
she's worked, she works Kelso, she works, doctor Cox, she's working,
she works. You with the steak that you eat makes
you sick works? Yeah? Oh man, have you ever had
a turf and turf night? We go steak night? We

(40:26):
used to go steak night all the time. It's just
a really we still legitimately go stag night, but now
I'm a pesketarian. Had steak night. This is where steak
Knight kind of started. This is where we learned turk
loves steak. Yes, you really love steak, turf and turf.
Turf and turf. Do you know until this episode, I
had no idea what surf and turf mint? Yeah, that's

(40:47):
when you have a lobster with you? Or does it
any fish or just lobster? I believe it's any any fish,
anything in the sea. Yeah. And then does that mean
it could be any food that eats grass? Good question.
I assumed it was always a steak. You know, I
grew up kosher, so I never had a lobster and
and and stuff like that, the shellfish until I was

(41:09):
like fourteen fifteen years old. Do you want to tell
them that story? Which one after you for a girl? Well,
my father made us kosher when we were kids, and
after my bar mitzvah, after I successfully became a man
in the eyes of the Jewish faith. My dad. I

(41:32):
said to my father like, well, if I'm a man,
I really don't want to be kosher anymore, and I'd
like to make that decision for myself. And he was
kind of his mind was kind of blown, like I
Jedi mind tricked them, and he was like okay, and
I was I couldn't believe it worked. Uh. And then
from that moment on, I was no longer kosher. But

(41:54):
he said, outside of the house, because like I would say,
there was no way you were bringing like a lobster
home for supermarket. No no. If I just sit down
the table and started being like a baky double cheeseburger,
no no, no no. But his rule was outside of
the house, you can eat whatever you want. Also, my
parents had gotten divorced and my mom was now, um,

(42:17):
you know, living with my stepfather and they weren't kosher.
So it was a confusing time for for us as kids,
like come on, guys, you guys got to get on
a unified front here, like what the hell are we
allowed to eat? You know? And uh. And so that's
kind of part of it too, you know. So we
never we never had any kind of shellfish or any
pork or any dairy mixed with meat. And then it

(42:40):
was such a bizarre rule like if you, let's say
you had meat for dinner, you would have to wait
an hour till you could have ice cream. Why that's
part of being the kosher rules? Like, is there is
there a specific reason on why that's Well, back in
the day, it was. It was theory about health and
eating things that wouldn't make you sick, you know, back

(43:02):
in like biblical times. But now it's just tradition, so
you know, you know, I always was like sitting there
being like, oh my god, how long has it been?
Forty five minutes? Do you think, Gosh, do you think
God is going to be pissed if I have the
ice cream? Like fifteen early? But you know, it's just
like any like that when you were a kid to
your parents. No, I mean, are you kidding me? I

(43:23):
was afraid of my dad. I wasn't saying anything like that,
but I mean I in my mind, I was thinking
like this is crazy, even as a kid, like this
is crazy. God does not care about this. That's how
I felt. That's how I felt. Donald right, so good, Um,
so let's go back to I'd like to double her Atandra. Yeah, Todd, Yeah,

(43:45):
I'd like to double her Ontandra. That might be I
should use that shit to this day. It's a double Auntandra.
I'd like to double her Ontra. It's not as good
as um. Are you going to turn everything into sexual innuendo? Um? Yeah.
The Todd is pretty funny in this episode, although it's

(44:05):
a little creepy that he's planning to hide out and
watch you have sex with Judy. No, he was in
the break room. He was in the room sleeping already.
He wasn't hiding out, he was already in there. Oh,
I was under the impression that he was. He was like,
he was like he figured out that you guys were
gonna have sex, and so he was like hanging out
on the top punk. No, no, no, no, he went
into that. He went in there right to be the

(44:29):
Todd and do whatever the Todd. That's a good ask,
rob question, how come how come the Todd is always
in the break room when something something's about to when
something something's about to jump off? The Todd does take
a lot of naps. I have to say he does.
Right there. There's an episode where Todd says, sometimes when
I'm banging this mattress, I'm thinking about banging that one,

(44:50):
the one underneath. So we know that Todd likes to
hump the mattresses in the break room, right, Um, so
I think we should ask Rob why is Todd always
in the break room alone? Well, between all the surgical
enhancements and rejuvenations, the Todd needs a little cat nap
to cut down on recovery time between operating sessions. I've

(45:12):
been told I'm a bit of a sleep humper, though,
sometimes when I'm banging the top mattress, I'm thinking about
banging the bottom one. Thank you, Thank you Rob, Thank
you Rob. And just to give Rob a plug. If
you guys want, you can hire them on Cameo, go
on that that app and you can you can have
you can hire Rob to say anything pretty much yeah

(45:34):
within reason right, And you can send your friends a
Rob video of him saying funny stuff. These are great
ideas for birthday presence. If you have friends that are
die hard Scrubs fan and fans and love the Todd,
here's a way for you to get the Todd to

(45:54):
deliver some sort of five and a funny anecdote. And
you know, I haven't really been on the cameo too much,
but I like the idea of hiring um people. I
like to say funny things. Yeah, Donald and I are
not on there, but we want you to put all
of your scrubs love in to Rob get robbed to
say funny things. I think I might hire Rob just

(46:16):
to send you a message. Donald, Okay, yeah, it's sure. Yeah,
I mean it's gonna be maybe with you. I should
hire a basketball player because they have a lot of
sports athletes on there, and I and I could get
you one. If you could get anyone to send me
a message, I would love a message from Tracy Morgan.
I don't know if he's I bet he's not a camy.
He's got a zillion dollars now, especially dudes. As a settlement,

(46:37):
I'm Brian. If you could get Tracy Morgan to hit
me up as Brian Fellows, you did it once in
your life, you had Tracy Morgan went to Oh that's right,
I did, because you know I'm a huge Tracy Morgan, right,
And you know how much I love Brian Fellow. I'm
Brian Fellows, right. And it was just after I think
one of the best, uh, Tracy Morgan said, Day Night

(47:00):
Lives is when Brittany Spears hosted I made no sense,
but it was feel funny. But he's so funny on
that episode anyway, Rob Mascio's on cameo, guys, we're going
to break. I love how Rob seems to write out

(47:24):
his thing, like I thought he was just gonna, like,
le just answer it, but it seems very prepared, and
he writes them out and us the line. He puts
his time, and he runs his line, runs his line.
Their guests here, Daniel, Yes, they are Yeah, let him in, Yeah,
already Yeah, bringing the guests, Ladies and gentlemen. Give it

(47:45):
up for Devin. How are you man? I'm doing well?
What about yourself? We're chilling, you know, making it happen
like everybody else trying chilling, chilling like a villain. Donald,
Don't you say that. I don't ever say chilling like
a villain, You fucking tool. Devin. Do you see how
I'm addressed? Do you see how I'm how I'm talking

(48:06):
to Well, you made the dumbest remark and said, do
you say chilling like a villain? Donald? What says chilling
like a villain, Devin. Do you follow sports in basketball
in particular at all? I do, yes? And who's your
favorite team? I'm a Dallas Mavericks fan. Oh see, you're
lucky man, You've won a ring. You guys stole Pussencis
from us? Are you calling out? Are you? Are you
coming from Dallas right now? Are you hitting us up

(48:27):
from Dallas right now? I'm not. Actually, I'm one of
those weird Dallas Mavericks fans. I'm originally from Pennsylvania and
I'm in Virginia now. I became a Dallas Mavericks fan
because Dirk I lost a bet in junior high school
and so I had to take German as my foreign
language and I ended up sticking with it and I
majored in it in college. But my dad wasn't a

(48:48):
big basketball fan. He was a big baseball guy, and
so I kind of had free rein to pick my team.
And I always loved picking, you know, underdogs in the
The MAVs kind of had you know, pretty good squads
leading up to that championship team, but nothing fully came
together up until twenty eleven, and so I, you know,

(49:09):
picked Dirk and I Mark Cuban seems like a pretty
cool guy. UM hard to like a lot of what
he's doing. I like Markuban. Yeah, I don't know what
anything about sports, but I like Mark Cuban. Um, Devin,
do you have a question for us um about anything?
He does nothing about Scrubs, It could be about anything. Yeah. Absolutely,
I prepared a couple. I'm lucky enough to know John Putch,

(49:32):
who directed a couple episodes I think starting at the
tail end of season five. Yeah. Great. He grew up
in the same town I did, and frequent in the
restaurant my mom owned. Um. He actually filmed one of
his movies partially in that restaurant, and I got to
be an extra, so I got to meet him through that.
UM and I know you both have talked a lot

(49:52):
about what different directors brought, especially in the early couple
of episodes. So for someone like John, you know where
end of season five, you guys, I think it had
already done one hundred and twenties episodes, give or take.
What was it like, you know, coming in as a
new director. How and and you know, Zach you kind

(50:14):
of you got to direct your own couple of episodes
for a show. That kind of had its voice, it
had its style. How did you balance that with your
own personal styles? That's a good question. Someone like that
is in a tough place because they're coming into a
machine five seasons in that's so well oiled. You know,
we really all we crank them out. You know, by

(50:37):
the time you come to five seasons, everybody knows what
they're doing, everybody knows their characters, and a director that's
coming in brand new, they just got to make sure
that they that they go with the flow that you
still want to A director like John would still want
to come in and add his own spin and add
his own flair and come up with cool shots and
have suggestions, but you don't want them coming in and

(50:58):
trying to change the style at all and going in
and doing something out of the norm. But someone like
him would really have to know the show, really have
watched a lot of episodes. A lot of times what
they'll do is come and hang out on the set
and watch somebody else direct, so they just kind of
not only gives you a chance to meet everyone and
kind of shoot the shit a bit, but also you
get the sense of like everyone's vibe, like, oh I
see that Johnny c doesn't like to do more than

(51:19):
that many takes. I'm gonna just make a mental note
of that. And oh, I see that Donald never knows
his lines. Okay, good, let me memorize that. So you
kind of kind of come to the set and get
the feel of everything. So then when you when you
when you're all of a sudden, because like I said before,
it's such a bizarre job to be like, hey, everyone,
nice to meet you. I know you guys have been
working together for five years. I'm the boss this week.

(51:41):
You know. It's such a weird, a weird way to
create stuff, but it is kind of how it works.
A little trivia for you. Do you know who John Punch?
His mother is John Punch. His mother is Jean Stapleton,
who was Edith Bunker on the classic show All in
the Family Nose What a day? And you knew who you?

(52:05):
I can't hit that note. And girls Hoover again, Herbert
Hoover again, did no no more about everybody pulled his way,
g r old Lasal worked great, Sorry, sorry for your ears.

(52:31):
She was a fantastic actress and um and John Punches
mother A little bit of trivia for you I'll say this,
When John came in, it felt like he was already.
He really blended in very well with us. Yeah, and
I think that's why he came back for He was
also very fast. Yeah, that was another thing he was.
He was he totally like he got the show and

(52:51):
he got us. Also, Zach, have you have you guys
ever worked together other than we text sometimes and we
shoot the shit. He listens to the podcast, So, Hi John,
thank you for listening. Um, and we'll have him on.
I told him we'll have him on when the when
the time comes, I would love to have if if
we really keep this thing going for five. He's directed
so much television as well. We had Michael Spillern who's

(53:14):
directed quite a bit of television. John Punch is another
person who is you know, yeah, who who is a
well seasoned director. Yeah. I don't know what he's directing now,
I'll look it up. Well, nobody's directing anything right now. Well,
I'm saying pre quarantizzle. He's doing something. I think it
was American Housewife. I believe. Oh great, Yeah, Dietrich bad

(53:35):
love that guy. You have another question for us? Yeah, absolutely, So.
I think Scrubs means a lot to me because it
was one of the first times I saw a show
reflect a part of me that isn't just very outward facing.
I grew up and I had epilepsy, and there's an
episode where doctor Cox treats a patient who has epilepsy,

(53:58):
and I believe that the seat is she doesn't want
to take her medicine or isn't taking her medicine because
she she struggles with letting the epilepsy defying her and
prevent her from being a normal teenage girl. And I
was younger than her when I was dealing a lot
with it. But it was the first time I really
remember seeing a part of myself on a TV show

(54:19):
and feeling like, wow, that's you know, very core to
my identity. So for for both of you, when was
the first time, you know, either of you saw yourself
reflected in that way? If ever, good question you go first? Donald,
you mean you mean in television shows when we were
growing up? Or is that what you mean? Yeah, I
mean it could be growing up, it could have you know,

(54:41):
been a while, and it could be more present day. Whatever.
Well I was, I looked at it. I looked at Okay,
so I look at it a little bit different. I
didn't see myself and a lot of and a lot
of television growing up, mainly because there weren't a lot
of African American people on television, you know what I mean.
So seeing somebody who was like me was very hard

(55:02):
to come by. You know. People said I looked like
Todd Bridges when I was a kid, but I had
nothing in common really with what Willis and Arnold went
through in different strokes. It wasn't until a different world
came out and I was in I was. I guess
it was my freshman year in high school and Dwayne Wayne,

(55:23):
Dwayne Wayne came on television, played by Kadem Hardison, and
he was the one that had the flip up glasses
and they were so in love with Denise from The
Cosby Show, Lisa Bonnet. He was so in love with
that character, and I felt like, that's who I I'm
that guy. That's he had a bunch of energy. He
was really charismatic, and girls looked at him not necessarily

(55:45):
as the hot guy, they looked at him as the friend.
And I was drawn to Dwayne Wayne so much so
that I bought the glasses. You did you were? I
would wear the flip up. Now, remember I went to
the professional children's school. So there's me and maybe three
other black kids in the four other black kids in

(56:06):
the school or in my in the upper school at
the time, in the high school at the time, and
so a wearing I would wear the glasses. And I'm
sure these guys were like, this motherfucker came up in
here with the fucking Dwayne Wayne. It's a funnier story
if they're all if you're all four of you're walking around. Yeah. Anyway,
So Dwayne Wayne Kadeem Hardison when he showed up, he

(56:30):
had such an impact on my life because I felt
like I was looking at myself that he was. At
one point, he was one of my favorite actors in
the world. So if he was in a movie like
White Men Can't Jump, Vampire in Brooklyn School Days, the
list goes on. He was in quite a few things
when I was younger, I would gravitate towards his character

(56:52):
as the best character's character in those projects. I was
really joining to Anthony Michael Hall. I was just thinking,
you know, everything he played when he was young was
how I felt. I felt like the sort of nerdy
kid who you know, who could make people laughed and
was you know, I made friends by being a class clown,
you know, and so a lot of the parts, whether

(57:15):
it was you know, Weird Science or sixteen Candles or
Breakfast Club, I really related to him in those movies.
I really wanted to be Ferres Bueller more than anything.
Like when I saw Ferres Bueller's Day Off, I was like, man,
I wish I was that cool, Like I wanted to
be Ferres and John Cusack in Say Anything, I wanted

(57:35):
to be him. All of those movies are big parts
of my our big parts of my youth. Yeah you
say anything, Freaking sixteen Candles, Weird Science, you know, the
list goes on. All those John Hughes movies were huge
for me. The only problem I had with them was
that there were no black people in it, right, you

(57:58):
know what I mean? But those movies, like you know
a lot of the music that a lot of the songs,
I didn't even know all of the words to the songs,
but I knew, you know, when Lloyd did you should
uh was what was the song that he did? Uh?
Stop wait a minute, I knew you Yeah, is that
what that is? You should? Let me. No, No, that's

(58:19):
a little. That's a Mario. These just stamp fantas. Just
ain't words that I'm spending. I knew that he sampled ah, Papa,
I know this must be true, right, much is true?
And he goes baa baa, She's fun. But I want

(58:49):
you and I mean and nobody knew what that ship
was from. But because of my love of all of
these John Hughes movies and stuff, I knew where they
sampled you. Huh, it's called you. It's from two thousand
and six. Another one another? Do you have another one?

(59:17):
Do you have another? One? Another? One? Another one? Do
have another one? Um? So, Zach got a lot of
flak for having not seen Remember the Titans up until
a couple of weeks ago. So I've been thinking a
lot about some of Zach's philmography. Donald, I know you
have some kids. Have you seen Chicken Little? Yes? Okay,

(59:41):
I went from one Little? Did you really did? A
lot of people will be surprised, Devon. They don't know
that I'm the voice of Chicken Little. There's a Here's
a thing, Here's a thing, Devin. You can name pretty
much any movie Zach's been in I've seen it. That's
not true. Okay, what's the one you did with Michael Weston?
And uh? The last kiss? You like that one? No,

(01:00:03):
there's another one that you two did together way before
you were ever um um getting to know you? Who
was the other? Who was the Yeah, she was in
that I've seen that movie. Uh. He also he also
did a movie called The Broken Hearts Club. Yep, broken
Heart seen that movie? Seen that movie? Uh? He also did.
Uh like we could go down his whole resume. I

(01:00:25):
promise you, I've seen everything. I didn't read Garden State,
but I'm not a strong reader. I did read. I did,
I did? Uh? I did? Did you see Going in Style? What? Yes,
I've seen. You didn't watch. I've watched. I've now watched
Going in Style. I did not see it in the
theaters though. Oh that's fucked up, dude, No it's not.

(01:00:46):
It's the truth. Though. I'm my first big studio movie
I directed, and you didn't go see. You know your
first big movie you directed was Garden State. No, I'm
saying my first. It was my first and only so
far studio movie. I've directed it, and I directed these
three living legends. You couldn't fucking find the time to
go to the theater. See, this is what I'm talking about, Devin.
You just started some fucking beef. I've seen the movie though,

(01:01:08):
because you fucking rented it. I mean, if you're if
you're my best friend, you're stalking taking the kids. Do
you want me to start naming my movie? Is it?
What movies? You? Shut the fuck up with this crap, dude,
nobody wants to hear. I'm blowing out the mic. That's
how loud I'm getting right now. Let me turn it
down a little bit. Do you want to start this shit?
Do you really want to start this ship? Do you
want to start this shit about how I've not seen

(01:01:30):
going in style in theaters. I can name movie after
movie after movie that I've been in that you've never
seen in your life. I've seen them. I saw Juice
in the theater. No you did it, Yes, you did it.
You did not see Juice in the theater. I did.
I did, although it's cheating. It was in a screening
room at the driarback of Film Center. I was an
intern there and they invited me to see Juice, and

(01:01:51):
I quite like, you're full of shit, dude, I know
you're full of shit. I was in high school. I
was a freshman. I was ninth grade when Juice came out.
Oh no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I shut the fuck up. No,
but can I defend myself? I was thinking. I was
thinking of Fresh? Are you in Fresh? I'm not in Fresh? Oh?

(01:02:13):
Fresh is good? Have you guys seen Fresh? It's a
very underrated movie, dude, Fresh? It is very good. Direct
as Yak, who also directed Remember the Titans. You never
seen that, Joel? Have you seen Fresh? Yeah? Very good.
I want our listeners to go. Directed by bo As Jakin,
who also directed Remember the Titans? Now? Is that bo

(01:02:36):
as his first film? I think it may have been.
I think Price Above Rubies was his first. It's one
of those. It's either that one of I think one
of those. He's really a talented guy. He's very talented.
What has he made lately? Has he made anything lately?
That He's written a lot of the Hostels, he wrote
a lot of The Dusk Till Dawns? Like he he's
changed up a little bit. He's more. He switched it
up a little bit. He's more comic book. Uh got it?

(01:02:58):
Horror now well, Devin, thank you for starting this fight. Um,
we've got a good right. I know you had good
intentions and you were trying to make me. You were
trying to tell me under the bus, you know what.
I know what you were trying to do, but you
fucked up, Devin, Devin, I was I was going to
send you a message from from one of those guys,
but now you don't get over. I don't even know
what their names are, but you were gonna get one

(01:03:20):
from from No GTS kombucha for you. No No Gts
he's been, he's been ba all right by thank you
for coming on my Um Donald, you know want I
laugh at this whole bit with you giving Judy a
bus bass? Did I say bass? That was very funny?
Did I say not just a nurse? Right? I love

(01:03:44):
I love the fact that that's where Turkey is. He's
that invested in his relationship that he's like, I know,
my girlfriend could be doing so much better than she
is right now, and if I'm in the way, I
want to get out of the way and help her
achieve whatever it is that she wants to achieve. And
you know, being Turk, he just says it wrong. I

(01:04:06):
don't want you. I want you to feel like more
than just the nurds, just the nurse. Did I say
just a nurse? Well, he means as well, he means well,
but he keeps putting his foot in his mouth and
she's like, you know, and she's saying, I love my job.
I love what I do. Why why are people making it?
I'm sure a lot of nurses, I would imagine, feel this,
like it's such an honor to be a nurse. It's
so hard to become a nurse. And someone's like saying,

(01:04:28):
you know, it's something with the attitude if you're just
a nurse. They're like, what, how fucking dare you? Do
you see? You know, see Carlos like, do you see
the pride that I have in what I do? Right?
And uh? And and I really like that. I thought
she was she was really good in this episode. Oh
she crushed it. Well she you know, Judy crushes every episode. Uh.
Elliot acknowledges j D's staring off into space. Yeah, she does.

(01:04:50):
This episode. There's a funny moment where she says, uh,
you're always starting off to space and I start to
stay and then I go, I don't stare off into
space like this, and then I go right into starry
off into space. That was fea. That's but yeah, I
mean I don't how does how does one get away
with daydreaming in front of someone when they're talking like
you're doing well, it's exaggerated for this show, but you

(01:05:12):
know we were all doing that. How many times are
you talking to someone you see them staring off and
then you go hello, like you kind of wave your
hand in front of their face, like I mean, I
do it to my wife all the time, where my
wife is talking to me and I'm just not there, yeah,
and she'll be like, did you hear what I said?
I'd be like yeah. She'd be like, repeat what I said,
and not just repeat what the last thing I remember
her saying, right, but you were still zoned out. I
was not there listening. I laughed at low when Kelsel

(01:05:33):
goes it's not because I got the name Johnny tattooed
on my butt. He's an old sailor buddy, And if
you knew what we went through, you'd understand. Yeah, we
should talk about the bungee jumping thing, which we've mentioned
on this podcast before, but two things I noticed this
time that you can clearly see that Sarah and I
are safety lined to the bridge and aren't going anywhere

(01:05:55):
from this bungee jump. If you pause it, you'll see
that there's a style line that ties us to the bridge,
so we're not going to accidentally fall off. And then
you can also see my mic right right under my collar.
There's a big there's a there's a big puffy thing
that's my microphone. So there's two a little annoying wicky
scrubs wiki things. Yeah and um, and so we didn't

(01:06:18):
do this jump, and the two stunt people who did
it met this day and then got married. They fell
in love in this moment when they jumped off the
bridge together and are no longer married now. And now
now we learned the sad part of the story that
they got divorced, but you know, it is pretty romantic
that they met this way at least married for a
little while. Yeah. Absolutely, you know, I just to go

(01:06:41):
back a little bit. I really thought that was really
great of Elliott. You know, she's always being rescued in
these shows by you. You're always you know what I mean,
And this is the one time where you're I told
you so backfires on you, and and and yes, she definitely,
you know, rases you a little bit for it, but

(01:07:04):
in the end she's such a good friend. She's like,
you know, we all need to take It's just like
I was saying from the beginning when I did the
when I did the recap. We all need to take chances,
is what Eliot's saying. And here's one that here's one
that's perfect for us. This is going to scare the
shit out of you. We're going to jump off of
a bridge together, but I'll be there with you. I

(01:07:26):
think that's I think it's an important life lesson that
the show tells people is the importance of not just
sitting on the stands, of getting on the court, as
they say, and participating and playing big. And these are
a lot of life lessons my father used to give
me about being brave and making bold choices and swinging
for the fences and asking the question you're positive someone's
going to say no too, But like just going for

(01:07:48):
putting yourself out there over and over and over again,
and and reaping the rewards when when you very often
get good results from it. Yeah, and Jade's not of that,
you know, when we've start off. J JD is a
let's wait and see type of person. And it's true,
you know, let's wait and see only gets you to

(01:08:12):
seeing what happens. It doesn't necessarily make it so that
you're in control of anything that happens. And certainly not
Nothing exciting and new is going to happen that way,
Nothing that's going to change your life. It's gonna You
can't just sit back and wait for life to happen
to you. You have to seize the day. Car car
Bay dim as they as they say in Dead Poets Society,

(01:08:32):
seize the day, Oh captain, my captain, um um. I
wanted to point out lastly that I was surprised to
know this far in it's very clear that Cox is
still pining for Carlo. You think, so, oh yeah, dude,
he doesn't go with Heather Lockleer's character, even though Heather

(01:08:53):
Lockleer is literally hitting on him and he's single and
she's single, and she's sitting provocatively on the front of
his car, and he doesn't go with her, and then uh,
and then you see him kind of staring at Judy
and being like, you know, I think it's pretty clear
to me, and my interpretation was that he's still sort

(01:09:13):
of pining over her, and when she talks about her
love for you, he then he then has a second
thought about it. I don't think so. I think I disagree.
I think he I'm sure there's still feelings for Carla.
Cox still has feelings for Carla, but I think he's
put them aside, because even at the dinner when she's like,

(01:09:36):
I love the fact that I'm at this dinner right now.
My boyfriend's trying to eat his weight and meat. He's
bought his best friend with him this, you know, and
doctor Cox wants something that's not on the menu, wants
to eat something that's not on the menu, something like that,
and she's talking about Heather, and then he turns around
and he's like what he's because he wasn't paying attention.

(01:09:58):
He was staring at have a Lockleyer's character. No, I
that wasn't my interpretation. My interpretation is that he's Uh.
He goes and has a heart to heart with her.
In when you're lying on the bed because your stomach
hurts in the hospital, they have like a bit of
a heart to heart and you're talking about how much
you you she's talking about how much she loves you,
and then he yeah, but look he looks sad for

(01:10:20):
a minute, like like if you look at twenty two
thirty seven, he's got this sad look on his face
that to me reads I really need to let this go.
This woman's in love with Turk. I don't know why
I'm still pining for her. Fuck it, I'm gonna go
meet Heather at the bar and maybe have a one
night stand. Who knows, but but I have to start
moving on. I didn't see it as that. I saw

(01:10:42):
it as a friend who and not we could dead
this after this. But I saw it as a friend
who listened to what was said. Turk went ahead and
try to get her involved in a program that would
grant her more power at the hospital, and Cox is like, dude,
why don't you fucking take your boyfriend up on that

(01:11:02):
Offer's that's a you'd crush that shit. You'd be really
good at it, And she's like, of course, i'd be
good at it. I know i'd be good at it.
I'm you know, I take pride in my job, and
the time that would be needed for me to crush
all of this would be time away from Turk and

(01:11:23):
I don't want to. I don't want time away from Turk. Well,
it's up for interpretation. And if you're listening to this, um,
you probably have your own opinion. Or if you don't remember,
you can go back and check it out. That's it.
Thank you for listening. Everybody, don't forget to get the
ring tones, because everybody needs a ring tone. Everyone needs
Donald going mmmmm as your notification. That right there is

(01:11:45):
what I'm talking about. Yes, another one, That's what I'm
talking about. That's that's what I'm talking about. Another one.
We could just Donald and I could just make up
notification ideas for people's phones all day long. We should
put this out there. Do you want That's what I'm
talking about As a ring tone? I can. That's what
I'm talking about. And you know what I mean. As

(01:12:09):
imagine your phone going, you know what I mean. You
know what I mean. You know what I mean. We're
just gonna keep putting ring tones, you know, or imagine
your phone going. That's what I'm talking about. That's what
I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Okay, how
could that not get annoying? Yeah, annoying in a good way. Um,
thank you everybody for listening. Uh, we love you, We

(01:12:29):
appreciate you. You can try and ask a question by
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is very popular on there. I imagine Joelle, people try
and try and bribe you, like the pharmaceutical reps. They say,
let me buy you sushi. Had three proposals, so it's

(01:12:50):
very popping. Oh yeah, your first time you had sushi.
Speaking of sushi, I had sushi two nights ago. As y'all.
Don't y'all like warm sushi. It doesn't come No, it
doesn't come warm, Daniel, you agree with this. I mean,
I'll say this. I'm very lucky. I I should probably.
I live very close to a sugarfish, so I'm more

(01:13:12):
or less walking distanced. So you could just get that box.
Get that box, that box, all right, guys, We love you.
Be safe, wear a mask, be kind, Donald count send
me count us out, Donald count us out. Stories about
show we made about a bunch of dots and nurses.

(01:13:36):
And I said, he's a stories. So get around you
here are yea around here? M hm