305: My Brother, Where Art Thou? with Shea Serrano

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thirteen minutes late, had thirteen minutes late. Ahead somebody, somebody, somebody,
somebody thirteen minutes late, texted you I'd be thirteen. You
was like, don't worry about that shit. We got Shay
on show, so just relaxed. Shoot dog back up in
this bitch. Thirteen minutes late, had thirteen minutes late, had

(00:23):
thirteen thirteen, thirteen thirteen. Where the fuck was you? Um?
I was saying, we got I was on my motherfucking palaton.
Yeah good, look good. You spend riding like a slave
in the sweat is on? Oh shit me like, eunapolie.
Is it safe to say that you have bars? No?
I don't have bars. I'm fucking a little. I'm like,

(00:44):
I'm like, uh, what's that when you get like workout innebriated,
when you feel like you're in kneebriated, Because it's called
endorphin high. Yeah, I am endorphed. Good, good shirt feels good.
I did it too today. I can't stay these people
even aren't you aren't even our sponsors. But I gotta

(01:05):
tell you, like, I am loving this fucking bike. I'm
sweating my ass off. I go way harder than I
ever do on my own because they're cheering me on.
I really, I really, I really love it. Yeah, man,
it's uh, it's great. I feel wet right now though. Man,
you know what I mean? Like, do you have a whop?
I probably have WOB. You probably have wob wet ass balls? Yeah,

(01:27):
I got, Yeah, I got, I got a sob sweaty
ass balls. I got a sub you have probably what
you have? Ah, that's a sash you have watch wet
ass cheeks. I missed you, missed you. We have so

(01:51):
much to talk about. I mean, I don't even know
where to begin. When we when we do this once
a week, I accumulate all the things I want to
talk to you guys about. There are so many things.
There's so much to talk about. I wanted to talk
about Joelle, your birthday present. She got an Oculus two
from Donald and I. Have you been in the Oculus
two worlds yet? How's that going, Joel? I could tell

(02:12):
it's great. I could tell she's been in the world.
I could tell she smoked a lot of wind, put
the speak and jumps on, the mask on and it's
just been walking around blasting that stormtroopless and flying starships
and ship. How's the Star Wars game Joel? Okay, So
the flight simulator is beautiful, but I suck at flying.
I cannot do it on any game, and in this one,

(02:35):
at one point I was like, I think I'm upside
down and I'm gonna hurl. It's so realistic. You can
look down in your hands or like touching the controls
inside the It's crazy good. Um. The Darth Vader game
is awesome because, like Rogue one, it was the first
thing that like really made Darth Vader scary to me.
Rogue one Darth Vader hallway scene horrifying, and this thing
Darth Vader comes out of the shadows and looks right

(02:57):
up to your face and you're like, you're tall and
very frightening, and it amazing. Beat Saber also great, good
arm workout if you're about that life on the hard setting.
But my favorite far there's the meditation. Yeah really mecause
the free meditation app that comes with it. You can
buy additional like experiences inside. I've only tried the one

(03:21):
it comes with, but it is so freaking trippy. It
asks you to like breathe with it, and like you
breathe in like white sparkles and you breathe out. Oh whoa,
it was great. Somebody told me there's an aftermarket app.
I mean, I mean, I mean that there's an app
you get with it and that you can buy and

(03:42):
you can put on you and you're in a big
screen movie theater. You can invite your friends in and
watch a movie together. That's dope. Yeah, we got to
do that. Yeah. I think that's a great idea. I
think that's a great idea. I have a question to ask, now,
go ahead. So the Oculus, it just comes with the
joystick and the goggles. That's hit. That's it, and your headphones.

(04:04):
You it has a spot where you can attach headphones,
but it has directional hearing, so it can just you know,
you can use it without headphones. So how do you
download things? Like? How? Where does there's an a in
the goggles? So you can use it in the goggles
if you like, I have a limited time, I can
keep the goggles on and keep playing. It's about an
hour and a half, few hours probably the longest I
could be playing video games anyway. But you can use

(04:27):
your phone to purchase your apps, and then once you're
inside the goggles, you can like upload it to your things.
I pay for them on my phone, your phone, But
your phone isn't your screen is it? No? No, no, no, no,
come on, buddy, everything how much money in your phone?
In your screen on the Okay, calm down, first of all,

(04:47):
Calm down. By the way, Joel's unboxing video was made
my day. I watched it a few times. So funny
when you're unwrapping it. You're so funny. Oh my gosh,
thank you. It was fun to unwrap. You guys got
a lot of comprom on your choice in wrapping paper.
I don't want to be sexist, but did did one
of the partners? No, that's me that I want you

(05:10):
to know. That wasn't even like my assistant, Joel. That's
so much love I put into this. My mom taught
me how to rap when I was a kid. That
she did real good teaching. I I really and because
it was you and I was putting so much love
into it, I didn't phone that shit in, Joel. Like
when I folded down the ends and it was like
a little long, I took them scissors back out and trimmed.

(05:30):
Joel trimmed, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you guys something
right now, when it comes to detail, when it comes
to decoration, when it comes to stylizing a space thing
or something like that. Of that matter, Zach Braff works
really hard to please the eye. You know what I mean.

(05:52):
You walk into you walk into a room. If Zach
is the owner of the room or renting or renting
set space in room, it was renting space in said room.
Let me tell you something right now, it usually has
a theme and it is usually fire. I also got

(06:13):
to say, I get so much joy out of matching
the right gift with the right person. And I really
love that. I I mean, and of course when someone's
appreciative as you where your video was amazing, it made me.
It made me laugh so hard. But I I just
loved like And we had a little help from Daniel
because I was brainstorming and Daniel was like, stop brainstorming,

(06:33):
this is what it should be. But I but I
was like, oh my god, I don't know. I was
just really looking forward to it. I love I love
I love that. I love sharing with you. Should we
let Shay and I'm feeling bad? We got a fancy
guest in the him in the other room. Let him in.
You know, if there's another guest, we might say hold
him off, but Shay, you know, ladies and gentlemen, welcome
to the showy thunderous. It is really good everyone. Sorry,

(07:00):
I'm sorry. Donald was thirteen minutes late, So I'm sorry. Sha.
You know what I started, You know what I started doing.
I started. I started working out today, day one, day one,
day one, the peloton bike. I'm already sore. Yeah, it's awful.
I try to one. It is a killer. I'm cutting

(07:23):
weight though, Sha, I'm getting skinny. He's trying to get
down to his fight weight. I'm getting down to a
fight club weight. Do you Donald, do you have the
shoes that go with it? The fancy shoes you got?
You need the shoes. You gotta have the shoes. Shy.
They kind of monopolize the situation though. Man. You get
the shoes from them, and you get the You don't
have to buy their brand. You can buy a different
brand if you're worried about a monopoly A word A word, Yeah, shoes,

(07:48):
they're just cycling shoes. You can you probably get dope
Nike ones if you want. I was on the I
was under the assumption and as you always do when
you make it, when you assume, you make an ass
out of you and me. I thought that those only
fit the same pegs, that the only peg you know,
the Peloton pegs were the only pegs that they think.
I would be fucked up because imagine there's people who

(08:09):
are real cyclists who get on and to train and
then just clip out and clip into their real bike. Yeah.
I hope so I haven't tested that there yet. I
hope this is true. Shay. I'm always excited when you're
on for obvious reasons, because you're the best guest, but
also even before I've watched the episode, I'm walking around.
I was making my smoothie this morning, going oh cool,

(08:29):
we have Shay on, and then I said, oh, I
know it's a good episode of the show, because I
always say to Shay first off, when we start a
new season, what do you which your episode you want
to come on for? Right, And when he chooses this one,
I was like, Okay, well, I know it's gonna be
a good one, right yeah. Yeah, yeah. So anytime that

(08:49):
you all are nice enough to let me come on
the show, one of the things that I definitely try
to do, and this is something that Donald picked up
on the last time I was here. One of the
things that I definitely try to do is pick an
episod so that will allow the opportunity to talk about
a the brilliance of the show as it was displayed
in that particular episode, but also be some larger part

(09:10):
of this show's legacy. So that's why when I got
your message about being on season three, I said, well, absolutely,
because here's the thing, Okay, a very common thing happening
right now, because we had that giant Last Dance documentary
earlier this year and then the Lakers won the title
of a week ago, is there's this whole Lebron versus
Jordan debate is like start up again, Who's the greatest

(09:32):
of all time? Right? And and that's fun. That's a
fun thing to think about and to participate in. But
if we move at a level past that, if you
change the parameters of the debate just a little bit,
it can become I think more interesting, because inevitably, talking
about Lebron versus Jordan becomes a thing where you're trying
to solve too many problems at once. You're trying to

(09:53):
account for the different eras the different salary caps at
different ways in which basketball importance is measured. It's like
trying to solve X at the same time that you're
trying to solve for why, you know what I'm saying. Yes,
So if you change it a bit, rather than making
it Jordan versus Lebron, you make it Jordan versus Jordan.
When was Jordan at his absolute greatest? What season did
we get the best ever version of Jordan? That to

(10:15):
me is a little more interesting. And if we tie
that back to Scrubs into this podcast, that's why I
was pumped up to be on here. Scrubs is one
of the greatest TV shows of all time. We're all
very clear on that's smart, it's funny, it's tender, it's
well written, well acted, what directed will scored. It hits
all the spots that you need a TV show to
hit for it to get into that conversation. But here's

(10:35):
a question that I have spent a fair amount of
time thinking about and a fair amount of time arguing about,
even more so than where does Scrubs belong on the
list of all time great TV shows? What season was
Scrubs at its absolute greatest? What season did we get
the best single stretch of episodes, the best storylines, the
best character weaving, the most impactful acting, all of it.
And season three is one of two seasons of Scrubs

(10:59):
that has a rightful claim to that throne. It's season three,
and it's season five. And season five we have the
we have the Miss Wilkes episode. We have the two
episode arc where doctor Cox falls into the depression. We
have the Wizard of Oz episode, which was great because
of how ingenious it was, but also because that's the
episode where Ted has this single most beautiful musical performance.
We have the sitcom parody episode. We have Turk finds

(11:22):
out that Carlo's pregnant before she does episode there. There's
a bunch of them too. It's a really really special
stretch of the show. Season three gave us the Ben episode.
It gave us the Michael J. Fox arc, the two
episode arc there, which is beautiful. It gave us Turk
and Carla getting married, which was wonderful. We get to
take Me Serious episode from Elliott, which is great, The
Butterfly episode, which is another example of the show's ability

(11:45):
to get you leaning in one direction and then fucking
shove you in the opposite direction at the end of
the show. And then we have this episode here my
brother were Arthur, where Jad's brother shows up again, and
I'm fucking super pumped to talk about it because it's
so great that that confrontation, in particular all of the
rest of the episode. Two. Oh my god, I just

(12:06):
want just want to plant one thing further. Wore we
go on any further? That was fake Doctor's real friends.
Thank you guys for listening. I was gonna make a
similar comment and that I want the audience to know
Chase not reading off of notes. That fucking amazing monologue

(12:28):
he just did was off his off the cuff and impromptu,
and I got goose bumps three times. And you are
just you are just so fucking well spoken. It makes
me think like I should quit this podcast and get
in the fetal position. But this is thank you. This
is only because I spent all of that time working
on the Scrubs book. Oh I know, but you are also, dude, dude, dude,

(12:50):
you are you are. I know you are not gonna
like you shouldn't waste your talents running for public office,
but you're such an amazing public speaker. You just can
like riff so fact, you're not like, there's no ums,
there's no and you know likes, you're just like like
you're reading a fucking teleprompter. That was amazing. And on
that note, for all y'allum death five six, seven, eight

(13:12):
stories about Shure, we made about a bunch of dots
and nurses said, he's the stories. So yeat around here,
are yeadoo around here? Are welcome to the program everyone,

(13:37):
it's officially started. Sorry that it's uh, you know, we're
running behind because Donald was thirteen minutes late because he
decided to get in shape for the first time today,
Thank you, Donald, but the first time pretty much for this.
You know, I tried to get in shape in the
beginning of quarantine, right, and now it's like we're going
into our third trimester. I guess of quarantine. We're about
to get birth skin rough. It's about it's about to

(13:59):
be a full on baby. It's getting rough. It's getting bad.
It's getting bad. People. We got a big election coming up. Donald,
voting is sexy. I'm wearing my Voting is Sexy t
shirt for you guys. Yeah, we're not going to get
political today on any of that. Sh I'm not trying
to go down. I'm als. I know you're not. I
know you're not. But I'm going to say one thing
to all of our all of our listeners. The one
thing that you have to do, if you are in

(14:19):
the United States of America, the thing you have to
do this year, this November third is vote. It is
the most important thing you will do this year. You
didn't do shit. You all locked inside anyway because of
the pandemic. This is the time to get out. And
I'm not being political. This is not a policy thing.

(14:41):
I don't apologize. I'm not pretty much on the line.
One hundred million people didn't vote last time. Do you
know hundred million eligible people didn't vote. That is ridiculous.
That is ridiculous, coming down my face. So I don't
care who you vote for. I can't care. I can't
do like Donald likes, be an extra a political vote.
I care, Okay, they care who you vote for. I

(15:05):
don't care who you vote for. If you vote for
who you vote for and you don't like me, that's fine.
Vote who you vote for. And I've already gone Shaye
knows because he follows me on Twitter. I've already gone
all in like the people who fucking the people who
hate me are gonna hate me already because I just
I'm all in. I'm like, fuck it. It's like poker.
I'm all in. I can't take it anymore. I hear
that anyway. So just I want to ask. I want

(15:26):
to ask. Yeah, definitely, please vote. Look into what's going
on in your state because on the day of there's
likely to be extraordinary long lines. So if you're in Pennsylvania,
for example, as I understand it, you can vote in
person the whole week before, so don't get caught in
some craziness. Obviously, plenty of states have early voting that
starts now, Um, Texas, what up? Yeah, I think that.

(15:50):
Just just do us a favor. You can go to
I will vote dot com, or you can go to
the thing that Donald and I supported, which is headcount
dot org. Slash Zack and Donald. Baby fell Stain has
a platform that she's doing also, and I don't want
to get it wrong, and so we'll bring it up
later on in the program when I have my notes
in front of me. Okay, you planning to get your

(16:10):
notes at all? I just want to know when that's
going to start. Sano today I have I have the
show notes. I don't have the notes for her voting site.
Can I spend third I want? We're not gonna get
on political wormhole, So if don't worry, if I'm gonna
ask one question because I have three donald aside, I

(16:30):
have three very intelligent people here who are shit. No,
you're smart, but you're not as politically savvy as I know.
Daniel and Joel are, and I imagine Shay is just
from following him on Twitter. So I'm gonna ask your face.
I'm gonna ask one question. We're not gonna get on
a huge wormhole, and I'm gonna be stop, shut up.
I'm gonna be impartial and just ask a question. Daniel, Joel,

(16:52):
and Shay, if you're interested, can you explain to me
the movement of people that are very liberal and very
to the left and want and Bernie or Elizabeth Warren
or or anybody else and are passionately not getting behind Biden? Now,
can you just explain to me, in as pretend I

(17:15):
know nothing, which I almost do, what the ideology is
behind voting third party or someone else when that clearly
helps Trump go. There rise of people who believe that
neither side is supporting or passing laws or doing the
things they actively need to be doing to help the
people that they represent, and that it's across all spectrums, black,

(17:38):
Latin X, queer, differently abled, all of it, and they
just feel like their vote is sacred and therefore they
should cast it for who they believe is, you know,
the best person in their mind, damn the rest of
the results, and that is their feeling, and they are
will be hard pressed to find a lot of those

(17:58):
people to be moved one direction or the other because
they just feel so failed by the system as a whole. Yeah,
that sounds exactly right. Yeah, I have nothing else to add. Well,
I don't. They can vote for whoever they want to.
I just want them to vote. It's still speaking your voice,
you know what. I know. I just, I just, I
just and I know I don't I know. Don't at
me because I'm asking it as innocently as possible. Even

(18:20):
if that doesn't go to the greater good of getting
the bad man out. They're like, fuck it, you didn't
go for Bernie kind of vibes. There's definitely a group
of people like Vala. Dan'll take that one, because that's oh,
I mean, all I was going to say is that, like,
you know, what has been universally accepted as the greater
good has not been the greater good for so many
people who have been disenfranchised, who haven't had their voice
heard for generations and generations. And despite how many times

(18:43):
that we have said in the past, like you know,
really this, you know you're going to do this when
you should be voting for this, neither party has ever
represented those people. And it's like, it's a part problem
with the two party system and it's a problem with
how we view politics in this country in general. But
I do not necessary early blame people for feeling like
they are not represented, because the fact is a lot

(19:07):
of people haven't been and still aren't. So yeah, I'm not,
I'm not. I'm honestly, you're not blaming anymore. I just
didn't fully understand the ideology behind like and what you're
saying is like, yeah, they hear that every fucking four
years and they're tired of it. And I get that.
I just as someone who's so passionate about this, and
I know so or so is a good percentage of
the population. I just I want I kind of want to.

(19:30):
I want maybe I'm the guy who's the idiot being like, oh,
come on, guys, just one more time, and they're like,
fuck off. I get it. I respect it. I just
didn't fully understand it. So thank you for articulating it.
Let's get off this now. Thank you. Should we talk
about the television show Scrubs guys that, as you know,
we have a forty seven second summary from Donald Phazon
these days, I hope when shaise on Donald you put

(19:54):
a the lecture effort into it, because the man writes
are as very articulately about the show. You know, this
is starting to turn into a funk with Donald situation.
Am I ruining your endorphin high from the spin bike?
You know I was. I was feeling good when we
got on the podcast today, and now I'm starting to

(20:14):
feel like, uh, you know, uh, like my best friend
is being a bit of a deckhead. I love you.
I apologize and I would take your ball sweat and
just squeeze it all over my hand. Not again, too much,
too much? Too well, all right, I'm sorry trying to
win him back, say no more, You've done your job.

(20:38):
It's like you had me at Hello, you had me
all right, you're ready and are you ready? And j
D's brother Dan is back and he can't believe the
way JD is evolving as a doctor. The rest of
the cast is trying to make ends meet, moonlighting behind
the hospitals. Back now, we all do what we can
to get over the proverbial hump, and it's easy to

(21:00):
get lost chasing our destiny. Doesn't take much to get
back on track. If someone is looking out for you,
You're lucky if you have that Okay, Donald phase that
was that was shorter than usual and well said? A family, right,
I mean, family is a central tenant of this How
do you navigate these relationships of people you love who

(21:24):
drive you fucking nuts? Right? Yeah, but it's more. It's
more than that though this episode, man, it's it's yo.
Your brother fights for your soul at the end of
this episode. Yeah, you know what I mean, He fights
for your soul and he goes by the way I
love the Jade never knows. Yeah, yeah, but Cox knows.
And in the beginning, you know what, I'm sure I'm

(21:45):
getting chills thinking about this shit. Cox doesn't give a fuck.
The job's getting done. He doesn't care what this kid's
turning into. Life is moving on in the hospital, and
it takes somebody to show up out of nowhere, somebody
who cares for this, one person who cox cares for
two to show up and be like, dude, all right,
I get it. This is a hospital and people die,
and you got to go through all of these tragic
moments and the only way to cope is this way.

(22:07):
But Yo, this is my brother man, and I love
this man. I love him so much. Please don't let
him fall into the same category that you're falling into.
Don't let him fall down the same path that you've
you've gone down, you know what I mean. Don't let
him turn to the dark side, because there's so much
light in him, you know what I mean. And he
sees that I could be something better than I am.
And even when I don't see it in myself, my
brother has this positive energy about him. Please don't take

(22:29):
that away from him. And he's begging at the end
of the show. He's begging even though he might get
his ass kick. He even throws a threat at the
end of it, like I will fuck you up if
you ruin my brother. He pretty much tells him that yeah,
Cox gets it and walks away. You know, spoiler alert.
He gets it and walks away and gives Jad to
pep talk at the end, but no, Dan makes Dan

(22:50):
makes a big difference. He says, Look, I'm not anything.
I'm not gonna be a doctor who saves lives. I
my life, I still live with my mom. I don't
have anything going on. But this kid, he wanted to
become a doctor, born anything. And I'm watching you and
you're you're slowly making him cynical and pessimistic and making
jokes about death and and how dare you like you

(23:13):
need to You're the one he'll do anything you say.
You need to keep that light in a light inside
of him. And and then the fact that JD never
knows and then and then Cox gives him a pep
talk at the end, I thought was really moving. What
do you think one more thing before you go? Like,
I didn't think this was the funniest episode of the season.
I didn't think this is the funniest episode we've seen
so far. But as far as as far as a

(23:35):
point being made, yes, this was it, dude. And when
I found out Shade was going to be on the show.
I was like, of course he's going to be on
this show. I mean, this is the one. This is
the one that I greatly enjoy a watch. To your point, Zach,
the thing about him about JD never finding out about
the speech, I think that opens up like a really

(23:57):
interesting conversation get into because earlier in the episode, JD
sort of chastises Dan about having never been there for him.
You never showed you, never showed up when I needed
you too, And then we see this other thing happen,
and so the viewer is left to wonder one of
two things. Number one, was Dan secretly always in the
background standing up for JD, helping him get to where

(24:19):
he needed to go or wanted to go, or was
this really the first time? And JD is like spurred
on this great big change and his brother. Every time
his brother showed up, JD would say something to do
something that would inch him in the direction he needed
to be to be heading. It's one of I think
like it's one of three or four things that happens
in this particular confrontation between Dan and doctor Cox that

(24:42):
is so interesting to think about because the guy it
was it, Tom Kavanaugh, is just outstanding here. Yeah, he
steps into this role and and just nails it. And
it speaks to a larger thing that Scrubs is really
good at. One of the things that always comes up
when people talk about the show is how it was
probably the best ever at navigating those turns when an
episode would go from something being totally incompletely silly to

(25:05):
being something totally incompletely serious, Like, and that's what we
see here here he is giving this this really touching,
really heartfelt monologue. And just a few minutes earlier, there
was a scene where him and Turk and JD are
a traveling fart show and it's so bad, and like
that happens in the span of a few minutes, and
it does, and it somehow doesn't detract away from the

(25:26):
emotion of the situation. It's amazing that he's able to
summon during that confrontation. If anything, it enhances it, So
I think amazing. It's almost like the miss might be
a stupid analogy, but like swimming with weights on in
that you you go so extreme one direction that you're
able to swing the other direction. Yeah, do you know
what I mean? You make a between the stupidest fart joke.

(25:47):
Probably in nine years we're like, we're literally on tour
as a fart band. I mean like, I'm embarrassed that
we did that. But then then that that you go
so far the silly direction that you can almost spring
back and be and be stronger in the emotional direction.
Maybe yeah. And what's fun to do is if you're
rewatching the show with like that in mind, you figure

(26:08):
out that every single time a big moment like that happened,
it was preceded by something really really outrageous and goofy.
Later on, you guys would do the Ben episode, and
when you rewatch that, the scene immediately before that is
just outrageous in comparison to those two. So there's that
part of it. There's John C. McGinley, who fucking what
a master this guy is. Once Dan gets going into

(26:30):
his monologue, the meat of it, the important part. Doctor
Cox doesn't have a single word to say in it,
not when he just stands there and absorbs everything and
and in probably anybody else's hands, in a less skilled
actor's hands, it's just empty space right there. But with McGinley,
he feels it up if it's fat with emotion and
a realization He has a really quick part in there

(26:50):
where he takes a big breath as Dan is talking.
Dan has given it to doctor Cox, and doctor Cox
is just like like he just that's the that's the
breath of somebody who knows that they're being read like
a fucking book right now. And he and he just
doesn't say anything back. He never argues with Dan about
JD being special, which is like his way of being like,
you're right, he is, that's my bat It's it's great.

(27:12):
I really like that. And then the last one. And
I don't know if I'm just like reading too far
into it at this situation. But the way that they
shoot that scene, they're outside on the walkway outside of
the hospital, and because of the way that the stage
is the scene of stage, Dan is closer to the door,
Doctor Cox is closer to the ramps to exit, and
doctor Cox, who is otherwise a full inch taller than Dan,
because of the way that they are and the scene,

(27:34):
has to look up at him. And it's one of
the few times in the show that we see doctor
Cox in that position. Usually he lords over everybody over
every situation. Not here, though he has his chin up,
he's exposed be even it's like the same thing. Yeah,
with with Brendan Fraser's character with Ben, like he's so
much taller than him, he's always sort of chin out

(27:54):
ready to get hit in it. Subconsciously, you're watching the
scene and you don't really register that it's happening, but
you can something weird here is happening. You can feel it.
Doctor Cox is open to this criticism that Dan, a
person who he does not like one single persent, is
offering him and they're like, oh, that's it's I don't
know they get it on purpose, but well I would
have been so I wouldn't be surprised, as Mark Bucklin,
who was one of our best directors on the whole

(28:16):
run of the show, and episodes are always extra special
when Mark Bucklin was the director, and um, I wouldn't
be surprised if that was a choice because uh, and
it's little subtle things like that that make a huge difference.
There's a there's a really big there's a moment in
there that I that I feel like we're missing. Also,
I feel like doctor Cox is also proud of Dan, like,

(28:38):
oh shit, I didn't see this in the Yeah, He's
like he's like holy okay, and then he says, all
the best, that best Okay, Dan, all the best to you, buddy.
Good for you for doing that right on. You know
what I mean, And it's not condescending I'm making I'm
making it sound condescending right now, but it really is

(29:00):
one of those moments where he's like, holy shit, this dude,
it's a testament to the power of love. Also, this
dude is willing to step to me right here on
my turb right now and fight for his brother. Okay, well,
I have the speech. You want me to read it
real quick? Yeah. I won't try and perform it like

(29:21):
Tom Cavanaugh because he crushed it, but just because every
we're talking about it so much and it happens to
be on the web, I thought i'd just quickly read
it for everybody who hasn't just watched the episode, and
here it is. He says, Hey, listen, doctor Cox, no offense.
I'm a big fan of the tough guy act. But
let me tell you what I really think. I think
you love the fact that these kids idolize you. Johnny does.

(29:43):
Johnny was always the one in the family we knew
was going someplace. Sweet kid, smart kid, becoming a doctor.
That's all he ever wanted. And yet somehow you found
a way to beat that out of him. Haven't you
turned him into some kind of cynical guy who seems
to despise what he does, Doctor Cox. Johnny's never going
to look up to me, ever, but he hangs on

(30:04):
every word you say. So I'm asking, no, I'm telling
you take that responsibility seriously. Stop being such a hard ass.
Otherwise you're gonna have to answer to me. You did
a really good job right there. I started, I started
not trying to act, and then I got a sorry,

(30:26):
but Tom did it better. But anyway, the point is
it's a great it's great. It's great writing, and it's
and well awesomely performed, and you're and share you're right,
Johnny sees you know, if you're an actor who thinks
that they don't have a lot of lines. It's the
ultimate example of in a scene watched, watch how good
Johnny Ce is with almost no words and um and
how he listens acts so much about listening, and just

(30:47):
watch how he genuinely listens. And this is an episode
where he has to talk throughout most of the episode,
and his strongest moment in the episode is when he
says nothing that's a really good that it's a good
good actor right there. You know, I played golf with
Johnny yesterday. Oh how did that go? Burying the lead?

(31:07):
That's what they call that. It went fabulous. We had
a wonderful time. Man. Let Johnny talk about it when
he comes on the show. Okay, but uh, he is
one first of all, I had I knew that he
liked to play golf. I didn't know he loved golf.

(31:30):
And it was a lot of fun to watch. You know,
there's there you know, we've known it. We've all known
each other for so long. There's very little that we
don't know it about each other. And this was one
of those things. Like I've never had to compete against
a compete with Johnny, you know what, right, I would
be terrified of that because as I love him to
death and he's a sweetheart, but there's a there is

(31:52):
a little bit of JD and Cox in us, and
I wouldn't want to compete against Johnny. I feel like
he would get all two two into it for me.
He plays tennis too. There's there's oh, we need to
we need to sincere it like, Look, we've spent enough
time like just it'd being you and me. We need
to we need to pull Johnny into the fold. We
need to pull Johnny into the fold. What you're saying

(32:12):
is we should pull and maybe bring him into our
our what do you call it our pod? Because you
and I are pod buddies. Yeah, it would be It
would behoove us to do that, because then we could
go to his house, we could go and hang out
on the land. Yeah, Johnny has a baseball field. Johnny
has field. A dream shay, he has a He lives
in Malibu and bought a piece of property next to
him that's big enough that he built a baseball field.

(32:34):
I'll feel the dreams. That's incredible. He heard, he heard
if you built it? Yeah, he built it. He built
That's that syndication money. Yeah, that syndication money. He put
that all into a baseball field. I don't know about
Donald put into forty seven kids. Yeah, I don't know.
I'm about to staff with dead Donald. If you only

(32:55):
had two kids, you could probably have a baseball field, right.
I put I put it all into my sperm and
shot away. Those are expensive sperm. You shot bro all right,
So how did it go? How did it go? There's
a lot of fun. We had so much fun. And
we played at Sherwood Lake, which is a cute little
part three eighteen hole but it's made by Jack Nicholas

(33:15):
and so it's it's it's it's a very well designed course.
And you know, he invited me out there and we
we played. And is that a club thing or can
anybody go there? It's a club thing, But we're gonna
try and make it a Thursday thing for Johnny. And
I would love that for you, man, because listen, I
know how much you love golf, and I know that

(33:36):
it would be great for you as your friend, as
your best friend. I would love for you to have
like a regular day you played, especially with someone as
cool as Johnny. I know that you. I would want to.
I would want to play with Johnny because he's like
my fucking brother, dude. I've known him pretty much half
of my life. You know what I mean? When you
look at it now, and you guys, you guys, you
know have to tell me who won, although I'm assuming
it's you. Did you did you feel evenly matched in

(33:58):
terms of like you weren't waiting on each other. You
can play. No, I'm not gonna say I won. I
would say Johnny beat me if anything, But it was
my first time playing the chorus, and I never you
know what I mean? There were interesting there were Maybe
if you had a golf simulator you could have won.
I'm interested in the uncertainty here because they keep score.
You just look at the number at the end. You know,

(34:19):
why are you being who the fuck won? Well? We
you know, there's different when you play among there's no
money involved. There are different rules, you know what I mean.
So you get mcgillas. What are they called mcgilla, You
get mcgilla gorillas. You give mcgillas mcgillas. What's much? That

(34:40):
monkey in the window, that's a mcgilla gorilla, right, mcguffin,
that's isn't that a mission that you go on. A
mcguffin is like in a movie, like the random bit
of bullshit you have to make up just to make
the plot work. You're like, well yeah, You're like, I
don't know. And then there'll be some mcguffin like I
don't know because yes, like you know, like a dagger

(35:01):
showing up out of nowhere to show you where the
crash Death Star has the wavefinder that leads to Exegal
even though it blew up exactly like that, yeah, exactly.
Don't know, but it's like it's like you come up
with some weird plots of ice to make the plot works.
You're like, that's something like the Emperor coming back to
life even though he was dead. Okay, let's try and

(35:22):
stay away from that area. You have Shay here. You
can talk about your basketball, the Lakers winning, the Lakers
did it. Yeah, okay, I was gonna stay this shake.
You were saying, you don't want to compare Lebron and
Jordan and all of that stuff, but I'll say this.
Lebron went two more rings. He's been to the finals
more than Jordan, and he's got those six rings too.

(35:44):
That's that becomes a really like I don't know how
you argue against that. You can't. You can't. You can't
deny it. If he wins two more, dude, I don't
know how. Yeah, I don't know longer. It doesn't mean
he's better. Jordan left. He could have done two or
three more, but he was done with the game. He
was like we saw it, We saw him in Washington
and he was he was, he was, he was done

(36:05):
seventy years out of the game though it wasn't you
know from my perspective. From my perspective, Jordan Sneakers or
way nicer bird Song didn't play. I agree with that.
I'm not bringing up out his bird song or Mike Jiminski.
Bro Okay, all right, I will say this, with the
stats and then having won six rings, there's no way
that you will be able to deny Lebron being the

(36:27):
goat people. People will still deny it, see Joel, It
will still deny it. But yeah, I think I think
he just is leading in too many things now to
be like well, to be like well, I don't know, right,
you can't you can't do you can't disregard all of
the numbers, right anymore? Does does Lebron excuse me for
not knowing? Does he do that fucking epic hang time

(36:48):
with the tongue out chip? He does not? I like that.
I used to have a poster of that on my
wall next to my Fantom of the Opera beach towel
that was hung like a tapestry. You'll be happy to
know I did have. Michael and like this, Donking with
his tongue out because I thought that was cool and
I wanted to fit in with other kids. All right,
let's talk about the show Scrubs. Guys. Uh, GOMER is

(37:09):
a real term. UM. It stands for get out of
my emergency room. And apparently it was something that the
doctors used to call old people because they were like, oh,
get this gomer out of here, because um, there was
they were just taking up a bed. That's kind of
like calling an ATM and ATM machine. So you're saying,
get this gomer out of here, but you're saying GOMER,

(37:30):
which stands for get out of my emergency room. So
get this guy out of my emergency room out of here, okay, well, okay,
well then pick a different sentence. I got a got it, Okay. Well,
I'm just say I'm just saying that's because it pisses

(37:51):
me to fuck off with Somebody's like, I gotta make
it to the ATM machine and you're like, you just
said machine machine, motherfucker. All right, I gotta make it
to the ATM machine. Machine. It's way more takes right now,
way more like letter takes than I was anticipating. Um.

(38:11):
I laughed when um when Johnny goes off for a
hug and I go in for the huged. My arms
kind of go up and I'm like, I'm gonna get huged.
That made me laugh. I laughed at pickles, pickles, mister
Bober and his pickles. That senior citizen actor was in
another episode. I forgot where, but this was his second
time being impatient on the show. And when we did

(38:32):
and when we did, undateable was the character mister Bober
that was touching all of the old people. Was that
or was it missus Bober that was doing it? I
don't recall. I don't remember, you don't remember. So, yeah,
this guy he was Frank Bober here. Yeah, but I
just saw in Scrubs Wiki that he had appeared. We

(38:53):
should mention this was written by Mike Schwartz, who's incredible,
one of our favorite UH Scrubs writers. Hilario you guy
and good human being. Um I h how many dog
piles have you been under in life? But I haven't
been in a dogpile probably since like college, like drunkenly right,
I remember being in dog piles. And you like being

(39:15):
under like twenty, feeling like you're under twenty people you're
gonna die. You're gonna die, and then you phobic you
can And I've never been in a dog pile. Do
do gentlemen always lead with their elbows? Is that a thing?
Is it is he intend to hurt? Or is this
a secret way guys get to clud? It is it's

(39:35):
the latter, Are you kill? It is definitely let me
tell you something, Joel, that you need. It is intended
to hurt too. That Donald doesn't want to talk about.
There is a lot There is a lot of mail
on Maile wrestling to make up for like, yeah, sexual
ten tension. And I don't mean, and I don't mean

(39:55):
to imply that the guys necessarily want to fuck. I
just mean that they have the testosterone and and they
just want to It is like fucking male cuddling. It's
like wrestling. And I remember being in high school being
like the dude was like pinning me and like we're like,
I don't know. It felt in hindsight a little like
sexual Okay, I don't mean to say that we were
gonna dock. I just mean that like there was there

(40:17):
was testosteroney tension. Have you Okay, here's a great here's
a great question have you wrestled as a grown man? Though?
Is the question a man? Have you wrestled as a
grown man, not wrestled as a kid. I know, I
wrestled my girlfriends. Sometimes I don't wrestle another man. It's
a grown man, dude, I want dude, We've got to
do this. I once got drunk. I once got drunk

(40:43):
with Jacob Vargas and Sullivan Stapleton. Jacob Vargas, that's my guy. Yeah.
I love Jacob Vargas and and Sullivan Stapletonton who was
on Blind Spot. We were doing a pilot together and
we were living in New Mexico and we were drunk
out of my mind in either Jacob's room or Sully's
room or my room. I don't remember where it was.

(41:07):
But we started wrestling. And let me tell you something
right now, ain't n like being drunk and grown and
wrestling with another motherfucker? I will fuck you with you,
know what I mean? And you're strong, man, Donald, Donald?
Could they keep up with you? Because you're really fucking strong? Yeah,
fucking Sully's way bigger than I am, dude, And he's

(41:28):
way stronger than I am. So he's throwing me around
like a rag doll, and I'm trying to be like
I'm trying to grab him and be like, I will
fuck you. You know, you're trying to get apostous. I
will fuck you up, your motherfucker and you start, you know,
and you're trying to get into it and you're trying.
Always gets more serious than actually drunk. If you just
take that up off, I will fuck you, and you're
you're proving my point. I will fuck you. There's a

(41:50):
there's a there's a thing inside of all Mexicans. Jacob
Jacob Vargas is Mexican American. So if you told me
I got drunk with Jacob Vargas, in my head, I'm like, oh,
that means probably wrestled with Jacob. Dude. We fucking love it.
We love it. They're so Donald Donald. Donald just scared me.

(42:12):
But listen, there's any times over the years when we
get a little bit serious and like I'm trying my best,
when you just fucking crush me. Listen, I'm telling you
something right now. I didn't think I would like it
as a grown man to be rolling around like that,
but that ship's fun. Dude. I was your guy. I
came so hard. It was one. It was one, it

(42:32):
was one. It was one of these. Ah, so um,
we kind of skid by this. But Carla has phone
sex with turks eleven year old nephew. M yes, she says.
She says he was so worldly, and then later on

(42:54):
they call it back and uh, son was my My
nephew was asking what you're wearing? How sweet is that? Yeah?
When she says worldly was she like, oh, and I'm
gonna do this And he's like, oh, yeah, tell me
what you're gonna do with that when you get it
to Elliott's attempt. Elliott's attempt at phone sex in the
woods is hilarious. Now, correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't

(43:18):
we talk about Elliot's uh obsession with nipples? Did we
talk about that? Like she licks somebody's nipple, licks s
she licked nipples in another sex scene. You know, there's
not a lot you can do in a in a
broadcast TV sex scene, So I think that like you're
running out of ideas quickly. So it's like, well, nipples
were allowed to like nipples, all right, We'll lick nipples,
mail nipples and lick mail nipples, Elliott says, something about

(43:42):
licking Sean's nipples. Yeah, and only he almost did, and
he almost and he almost gets it. He says I'm closed,
and she says, I don't care if you're close. No,
she says, she's trying to do some phone sex in
the woods for those of you who haven't watched it,
or I'm just needing to be reminded. She goes nipples Sean,
because they're having bad connection, I'm trying trying to lick
your nipples. And then and then a troop of boy

(44:04):
scouts stumbles upon her in the woods and she says,
I don't care that you're close. I'll call you later,
meaning that that almost drove him to completion the thought
of being told I'm licking your nipples. Your nipples, Sean.
Scott Foley was like, hullo, the first time we've ever

(44:27):
done a short title sequence like this. I believe I'm
no superman. Yeah, you know, we were locked into the time.
So eventually, if Bill couldn't get into a place where
he's like, I can't you know, if he needed a
few more seconds, he's like, this is gonna hurt the show.
If I Bill was a master and is a master
of cutting things down. We would get things both with

(44:48):
my films, I've showed him like, what the hell am
I gonna cut to get this time down? He's so
good at that. But sometimes he'd be I guess I'm
assuming this is the first time he was like, you
know what, I'm gonna take the credit sequence out because
I need that. I need that for the show. So
this is the first one I remember. That's like, I
knows you were meant think. Do you remember any of
the things that Bill cut that you were like, so

(45:09):
hell been on having on the show and then it
was gone, and you were like, fuck, I really wish
that would No. I wasn't really aware because when you're
just when I was just an actor, I wasn't really
micromanaging it like that. When I had directed one, I
would be so invested and they would always be long.
They'd be like thirty five minutes, and you need they
need to be twenty two. So you're always like, I
don't know how to love here, here, here, dad, I
don't know how you're what you're gonna do? But fix it?

(45:31):
And then and then of course when he delivered his
twenty two minute cut, there'd be a lot of like pain,
because you'd be like, oh no, how did you get
rid of that moment? Oh no, why do you? But
you know you had to do it. It's it's there's
no choice. You have to cut it down. Um, all right,
we're gonna go to break and when we come back,
we are going to have a fan call. Is that right, Choell? Yes? Please,
we'll be right back after these fine works. And we're

(45:59):
bad Ron and I'm Donald fase On and we just
connected to Kate. Hi Kate, Oh boy, here we go.

(46:21):
She's she's pulling a Sarah Chalk. You're you're muted now,
this is very Sarah Chalk esque. Now you're one step
away from dropping your iPad in the tub. No, no, no,
can't hit the microphone on the bottom left. The microphone
on the bottom left. Hey, you see that red might
change your Yeah, Choell, I warned you in my email

(46:42):
that I'm kind of like a real life Elliott, and
I just knew this would happen. I knew this would happen.
I'm gonna say something, Kate. It looked like you gave
up even before we said I'm gonna do fake doctors anymore.
I don't even want to do fake doctors. I don't
want to be on the show anyway. It's very hard

(47:03):
to get on this show. I don't think you give
up if your MIC's on mute just for a second.
I think you really right, Joel, you you you should focus. Yeah,
you sift through a lot of people that want to
be on this program. I am. I am so prepared.
I mean, I have like a hair band, a mask,
a martini, a water bottle. This isn't, this is this isn't.

(47:23):
Let's make a deal. You're not going to need those things.
I mean, I'm I'm currently hiding from my family like
you Donald, and like I have been sitting here like
you're not gonna fuck this up. Listen now, listen in
all seriousness, Kate. There's no wrong answer, all right, if
you say anything horrible, it'll be amazing. People love it.

(47:47):
I think, I think. Okay, so you like to go
buy Zelinsky. Oh well, sometimes when I'm mad at myself,
I call myself by my maiden name, which is Riley. Okay, Um,
so that's why I stuttered, because I usually when I'm
like Riley. You know, that's like very elliot esque. You're
very moving to be very Elliot esque. That was that
was a lot like Elliot Seriously, Yeah, it's it's it's real.

(48:11):
It's it's not a great way to go through life. Guys, Well,
welcome to the program. It's called fake Doctor's Real friends.
We have the legendary writer and uh and personality. What
are you besides a writer, Shay? You're a philanthropist. You're
a writer. You're a philanthropist. You're a Twitter superstar. Uh yeah, writer, philanthropist, writer, philanthropist.

(48:38):
First then Twitter superstar has only fans if you're interested, like,
oh you Shay's only fans? All right? Donald, have you
ever been on an only fans? I don't think we're
allowed on Oh no, I'm not allowed on an only
fans with him. I don't think our women are don't
think our women would support us. Well, you're paying money.
I wonder. I wonder, I really do wonder what only

(48:58):
fans is like, because it can't just be somebody on
only fans just sitting there naked like this is what
I do. Well, isn't it just like I don't know,
Joel's you know what it is? Isn't it just like
a strip club but someone's house? You gotta go to
Joel because you can't come to me. I've lived with
a lot of sex workers over the year, camboys, girls
and such. Let's talk about that. Sorry wait, sorry, Kate,

(49:23):
you can mute your mic again. Not too well, you
live with sex yeah, Joel, y'all know nothing about Wow,
that sounds like a good podcast. Uh yeah, one day
I'll talk about my college days. But yeah, the kids,
you know, they enjoy it. They love they love the
only fans and yeah, it's just it's just amateur porn essentially.

(49:44):
But the cool thing about only fans you're paying the
sex worker directly as opposed to a large company or
getting it for free. You know. So the cam sorry
interrupt with the cam things, they take a giant cut,
whereas this goes directly to the person and they can
control how much it charges and all of that stuff.
So there's some issues with the app that I'm not,
you know, knowledgeable enough to talk about it. But do

(50:06):
you think that Thorn make like two for like twenty
four millions? Very controversially twenty four million, not twenty four million?
How much did she make something like twenty something millions
because she's two millions? Then she said she wasn't gonna
do anything new, and everyone was like, well then when
we all pay for and then she was like, hey, right,

(50:28):
pretty much pretty much. Hi, Kate, I should tell them
why I picked she Sorry, Kate, go ahead, we digress, Jell.
I don't know if you picked me because of my
signs or because of my situation or we can do
situations and then sign because I really wanted to Yeah, okay, well, um, Zach,

(50:50):
I am so touched at how protective you are of
we nursing mothers who are fans of the show. Yes,
because you know, people will tell you even in like
like you know, way to go La League and everything,
but they'll tell you, you know, breastfeeding is the thing
in the world, and it's like, Nope, it's hard. It's

(51:11):
really hard for a lot of us. Not everyone can
do it, and we just have to feed our babies.
And the latch thing is real, the open wound nipples
thing is real, and it's you're sobbing at five in
the morning trying to give your child nourishment. And so
I don't listen to your podcast while nursing because of Donald's.

(51:32):
But I just wanted to ask Joel. I mean I
listened every week. I'm an enormous fan of the podcast.
In the show, You're done, but no, no, no, because
I want I want the Oprah voice, Donald, I do.
I just don't want to have her cake and eat
it too, Donald. She wants the Oprah voice, she just
doesn't want it while she's dealing with a latch. Here's

(51:54):
what you do, Here's what you don't know. Kate. Zach
was being facetious when he made talked about the lac
and everything like that. He doesn't care about your nipples.
He doesn't care. I care about Kate Terriolas. And let
me tell you something. I had so many people tell
me that that they listened while breastbeeding, and I thought
it was very charming. And of course if I was breastbeeding,

(52:16):
I would get lost in a good podcast too. It's perfect,
so you can't. And it's also COVID, so it's not
like I get an escape by like being like I'm
going to go to a movie, you know, in sleep
in a movie theater. There's nothing to do. I'm stuck
at home. I'm on the couch, I'm nursing, I'm pumping,
I'm holding my mama's boy, baby boy, and so there's
not a lot to do. But I listened to the

(52:36):
podcast in my car because I still do my family's
grocery shopping. And I listen in my car, and I
sit in the grocery store parking lot with a drive
through coffee for like ten or fifteen extra minutes. And
then I get home and I'm like, the lines were
so long because I'm just hiding from my So you
guys are my escape. And that's what I told you. Well, yeah,

(52:57):
thank you. Hey, you have a decision to make things
because I will make a promise to you right now
that I won't yell anymore so you can listen while
you're breastfeeding. No, don't do that, Kate, Why you would
I would never. I cannot take I would give you that,
or I will give you the parking lot, which one wants.
You know why? Because if I took away the Oprah

(53:17):
introductions from all future guests, I would I would hate myself. Yes,
I would want to be a lot of people only
listen to the showing to hear Donald's Oprah voice. Kate Zelinsky,
fuck them. It's all about you, Kate, and you are
you kidding? This is the first thing that's been about
only me since Mike Toddler's school shut down and my

(53:39):
job ended within March. Like, this is the thing that is,
this is the only thing that's been only me. Kate,
you sound like my wife. Hold on, I'm gonna go
get her. No, don't go get your wife. Why are
you getting her? Oh? Jesus is Oh, because I know why.
Because she's fixing the rants about Donald not helping enough.
And I'll bet he think this is going to be

(54:00):
some couples counseling if you let some brands on the show.
These people didn't tune in for fucking Donald's couples counseling,
tuned in for a Scrubs podcast. Um, Kate, where do
you live? I live in Richmond, Virginia. Okay, Um, but
I'm currently the reason I have like this time to
do it. We're currently visiting my parents at their um

(54:22):
lake house in North Carolina. So that's gotta be beautiful
a lake house. It's wonderful. It's an insane, beautiful welcoming
house on a beautiful lake. It's so nice to get away. So, Kate,
we're gonna jump ahead to fix your life real quick.
Here's my wife. Uh, this is case This is Casey Cobb.

(54:44):
This is Kate Zelenski. Okay, Casey, your hair looks beautiful today. Thanks,
I got it colored. Yeah, very nice. Kay. Kate was
just sharing how hard it is to be a mom
and to have every single one of your minutes of
your day go to taking care of your children and
your family. And Donald said, let me go get my wife.

(55:06):
So maybe you can speak to to how you're coping
and how you're how you're making that work, because I
know for a fact Donald isn't necessarily pulling his weight. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, well,
I have to be honest, Kate. Today I left and
I went and got my hair done for you, because
good for you. You know what. I had grays all

(55:28):
the way down to my ears, and you know what,
I knew that this was the only thing I could
do for myself. Granted, I came home and there was
shit everywhere, and the kids ate donuts on their lunch
break and you know, complete shit show, I'm sure, but
look at my night. My husband told me yesterday I

(55:50):
have white trash roots because that my hair hasn't been
colored since February. White trash roots. And I said, honey,
that's so lovely of you to tell your nursing wife,
mother of to full time everything. Oh my god, you're nursing.
Oh my god, Casey, you told me once that you
were like, because Kate just told a story about how
sometimes she listened to the podcast and stays extra long

(56:11):
in the supermarket parking lot. And you told me a
story once where you were like, I wanted to go
with Chick fil A, but I chose a Chick fil A,
like forty five minutes away because I need to bring no.
It was it was literally the day that they announced
that schools were closing, and we are not that schools
were closing. They closed, you know, in the spring of
last year, but then when we weren't going back in

(56:32):
the fall, and they they told us, and I literally
just said, I'm going to go pick up Chick fil
A for everyone. I got in the car and I
drove forty five minutes to Chick Fila and cried out
the fire away there. It's so hard because you know what,
and I'm sure your husband thinks he's helping, but he's
not about the breastfeeding story. We all know he's not.

(56:55):
I mean, in fact, in fact, we are going on
our first date, said October thirty, first, twenty nineteen. Tonight, Um,
we're at my parents lake house. They're going to watch
the kids, and we're celebrating our anniversary, which was a
last week. It's our first date out. So I put
on makeup for the first time yead knows how long.
And my husband looked at me and he was like,
are you in a play tonight? And I'm like, you know,

(57:17):
you just you just you just haven't seen me in makeup,
And but that you have to like this husband, because
my husband is an er physician who actually has a
Now I like him, but I wish he wasn't a
making fun of your makeup and be making fun of
your roots. Those two things I don't want and see
and see. I bet he still made you have sex
when you came home. Wow that casey okay, this is

(57:41):
a guest And I apologize, Kate. I'm sorry. Sometimes it's
literally just let me have three hours on the couch
after the kids go to bed, to not talk to me,
not doing anything, Just let me watch my crappy TV
and you load the dishwasher and don't even talk to
me till to the next one dreaming and that sexual,

(58:03):
and then Casey and I text about the true crime
shows we're watching. Donald. Donald doesn't watch him, So Casey
and I are like two women like drinking our white
wine being like, did you see this one? It's hard?
I mean it is. It's true. It's so hard, and
I don't I wish I knew how to fix it.
But no, you can't imagine how happy my husband is
for me in this moment. He like he has my

(58:25):
daughter fishing on the dock, my mom has my ten
week old son. Like he was like, get your shower, like,
get you ready? Like he you know, like he had
me go shopping for a dress for our date tonight.
You like sent me to an outdoor mall with my mask.
Like he is actually Zach Like he is the most supportive,
incredible guy. I'm liking him a little more. You had
me at ar doctor. Okay, he is an ear doctor
with a second specialty in hospice and palliative care. And

(58:51):
I've been through it. I know, I've been through it
with my dad and my sisters, so I know who
they are and I and actually, yeah, so yeah, okay,
I like him again. Just tell him not to me, funny,
your fucking root. No, you know what, it's just kind
of like casey, you understand, like Donald says all the time,
like you know, it's kind of fun to shit talk
your husband. You love them more than life itself, but
it's just so fun to every once in a while
and be like, I hate it. I do it more

(59:14):
than I probably should. But tell them about the time
you're thirsty, and okay, I will, but hold let me
tell you one thing though, A lot of the times,
even though we blame the husbands, a lot of it
is the kids, because you know what, we do everything
without even thinking that. There have been times that Donald
is standing right next to me and they're like, Mom,

(59:35):
I need this, and the other kid is mom, but
you didn't do this, and Donald's just sitting there, zoned
out watching TV, and it's and I had I just
recently asked Donald, I just recently started saying, guys, you
have another parent right here. Now. You have to redirect
because you end up doing it all yourself because you
do it faster, better and it gets done. You know,
my daughter at like nine in the morning, because she

(59:56):
knows how to blame me now during COVID will come
into my bathroom room and open the shower curtain for
like my once a week shower. I get and be like,
can I have chocolate milk? And I'm like, what's your
dad doing? And she's like watching the news exactly exactly,
and I'm like, it's nine am, No you can't. She's
like why and I was like, fine, it's just like

(01:00:18):
nine yeah, I don't care, I give up, but I'll
bet during COVID A lot of you moms are probably
have to and Shay, I know you feel free to
weigh in and chase got kids. I know a lot
of you parents must be like a lot do you
go quicker to fuck it? Yes, have chocolate milk and
nine today I feel I feel no shame about it. Zizi.

(01:00:39):
My daughter's Zazi usually after her nap watches one twenty
two minute like Winnie the Pooh episode, and every day
she's like, can I have two? And I'm like, you
know what, Like you've already watched your show. She's like why,
and I'm like, fine, three, have four? Your dad's in
the e R till midnight tonight. Have four. I'm nursing.

(01:01:00):
It's true, you have you have to find something that
you like to do or something for you that nobody
else likes to do, and then you get to do
it alone and you're on your own. So now here's
the problem. Now here's a problem. Now I've been saying
that forever. Maybe you just gotta find a hobby. You
gotta find something that you like to do by yourself.
You gotta do you gotta find what it is that
you want to do. When I say that, shit, I'm

(01:01:21):
an asshole, and I don't know what the fuck I'm
talking about. But now she just fit that game to
all her hobby. What if her hobby is you fucking
do the shit for a fucking couple hours while I
go upstairs and watch fucking True crime. That that's my hobby.
I'm too tired to do anything else. I don't. I don't.

(01:01:41):
I regret bringing my wife up to the conversation. It's
your dad's all. You're the one who earn got her.
My hobby happens to be kind of beneficial to the
whole family. I love to cook. I love to everything's
about cooking. In fact, when I am nursing Zach, because

(01:02:03):
I can't listen to this podcast because while I'm nursing
because Donald so loud. I watch I say that too.
I tell her I watch episodes of The Barefoot Contessa
because she's soothing. Joel, do you love her? I love her? Goals, goals, goals.
But have you guys seen sorry this is a total
non sequitor, but have you guys seen My Octopus Teacher? No? No, never?

(01:02:28):
Oh my god, you guys, Shay, I know you love
good fucking shit. Write this down good My Octopus Teacher.
It's on Netflix. Okay, I'll watch that. If you're listening
to this, don't turn off the podcast, but jot down
in your brain My Octopus Teacher. It's on Netflix. Everybody
has Netflix, and it is an amazing documentary about a

(01:02:52):
man who of friends an octopus. I love you. I
love your constant fear that when you recommend something people
are going to be like fuck yeah and like turn
off the podcast immediately watch it. Because I think I'm
a really good I think I think I'm very good.
I think I'm very good at rolling people and rolling people.
I can be like, listen, I can convince you have
to watch this show. It's so amazing. I think I'm

(01:03:13):
pretty decent at getting people riled up to try something,
but I don't want to roll them too far. But
they're like, fuck this podcast, I'm going to watch the
Octopus Teacher. Now, all right, we gotta move on, Casey.
We love you look lovely gold colorist. Oh my gosh,
she's so pretty. Yeah, she's very pretty. Donables and how

(01:03:36):
good he has it? No? Yeah, what are you talking about? Yeah?
Well that was kind of Fix your Life? So Dan,
let's do it. Let's do a a posthumous posthumius. How
do you say that word? Sure? Yeah, a postumis playing
of the Fix your Life music right here. Kate. You're welcome,
You're welcome, You're welcome, Kate. Do you have a question

(01:04:00):
for any of us? I know you have to go
because you have date night, but do you ever know?
But actually, are are the other couple that's driving forty
five minutes from Ashville just told me they're running late,
so that can be. I won't take up your time,
but you can take up mine. Now, go ahead. What's
your question? Yes, I'm actually really glad that shas here
because my first question is about cast and crew. Zach.

(01:04:23):
It's it's for you, mainly. I've always wondered how when
an actor is a star of a piece kind of
like Kevin Costner does all the time, and they also
direct you directed episodes of Scrubs and you know other
projects that you've been the start of, who directs you
when you're in the scene. And I don't mean like

(01:04:44):
here's your mark, here's your siteline. I mean like you
finish a take with Donald and there and you know,
I'm sure you're not like Donald, you know, a little
bit less and uh you know Judy, Uh you know
that what seemed a little whiny and mean no note,
you know, like who's behind It's a very good question.
It's a very good question. Um. So I'll just use

(01:05:04):
the Scrubs example. There'd be the writer of the episode.
In this case it's Mike Schwartz, and he would be
sitting behind the monitor. Bill of course, would come to
the very first rehearsal of every scene and he would
watch it. He'd watch my blocking. He he didn't care
too much about where the where the camera was for
the specific director and especially when he trusted them, but
he but he was basically blocking them. And most importantly,

(01:05:26):
as the showrunner writer, are the jokes playing and when
the jokes weren't playing, he'd tweaked them or rewrite them,
and so he would see and he'd go, oh, so
he could give me a note and he'd be like,
you know, when you do that line with Donald, you
gotta have more energy because of X, Y and C,
and I go, got it, got it, And then he'd
go off to go write with the writers. The writer
of that particular episode would stay on set at the monitors,
So very often I would when the camera's on me

(01:05:49):
and I'm directing, I would then obviously you can tell
if the crew's laughing, if I'm if I'm in a
scene when Donald and I'm making him laugh, I'm feeling
good about it. On my weeks, we would have playback.
We wouldn't always have playback because so time suck, but
when I'm directing, I would have the ability to go
back and play back the take and go, Okay, that
was good, let's move on. So I do need to
be able to play back the video and then I

(01:06:09):
would just check in with who whatever writer it was.
But you know, one thing I got good at was
was kind of sensing when I did Garden. When I
Garden set, wish I was here being on camera and
directing myself. You kind of just start to get a
sense of like, I know when I'm good, I know
when I suck, I know when I felt weird, I
didn't like I mean, do you just get to the
point where you can be really honest with yourself and
know when you're not in your rhythm? But you maybe

(01:06:31):
need that writer or that a d or someone to
be for you to be like was that too big
and for them to be like, yeah, that was too big.
You definitely need a producer type who you trust, who's fun,
who's a good writer, I think end or a first
ads director or sometimes the cinematographer. I've had a great
relationship with who's who whispering your ear something that really
that really helps because I've had times where I went

(01:06:53):
where I did Like on Alex Sink I remember doing
like a really funny take and I'm directing. I think
it's good, but I'm a little secure about it, and
I go to the I'm excited. I think sort of
like walking back to the monitors and no one's there
and I'm like this, I don't like this feels like
tight rob walking without without a net because I don't know.
I need fucking help, you know what I mean. Yeah,
So I think that that I much prefer it when

(01:07:16):
I have people I trust that I think that's good. Yeah.
The great thing about my favorite thing about acting directing
is that I can steer the scene from within. So
if I if in my opinion, I want Donald to
be anged turk Donald to be angrier in this moment,
I'm gonna fucking come Adam harder. I'm gonna be more
aggressive with my lines because I'm trying to steer him

(01:07:36):
from within the scene to get more riled up just
or or or like when you want funnier lines or
something like that. The great thing about you know, you
would do it as an actor too, but Bill would
have a certain set of jokes and then you would
have like five more and you'd be like, just run
them off, and it would be great because you would
get performances out of us where it was like we

(01:07:58):
would give we trusted you enough because we thought you
were funny enough. Also, your scope and your visual was what.
We trusted that enough also that we were like, yeah, man,
whatever you want us to say, we're gonna say that shit.
So we'd get to the end of scenes or we
get to punchlines and stuff like that, and Zach would
throw new punch lines in and you trust it and

(01:08:19):
go with it because of the fact you know that
you you've seen what he's done. And also he was
just so confident in doing it so okay when you
say you know, he's like, He's like, uh, this is
a noe for you. This is the noe for you
and none for me. Even if a director does even
if the director is acting and he does do that,

(01:08:40):
the confidence that he's showing in the situation makes you
more trustworthy. Now it's not my place because I'm not
directing to say to the director or to another actor,
I think you should do it this way. I think
you're doing it wrong. But because he directed so many episodes,
we got used to it. Man. I think the first
episode I felt a little weird, but then after that

(01:09:01):
it was like, dude, whatever you want, Zach. So I
think that's kind of an a testament if I may
like to compliment, like the kind of examples that you
have been for positive male relationships and mature, you know,
open men together, but also like there's a lot of egos.
I don't imagine that that's always the case when suddenly

(01:09:22):
your co star and in your real life best friend
are coming out and they're suddenly kind of in this
status change, you know, for you to just like take
a note and not just swallow it, but like appreciate
it and trust with that. Well. And also I would
say that he was rooting for me. I mean, he's
my best friend and he was stoked for me. He

(01:09:43):
was the opposite of an ego because he was like,
this is so cool you're directing, you know. That was
the fun. And Johnny c too, I should say, And
I mean at the whole cast, never everyone. I've been
asked this before and I think I've answered it, but
I'll say again, when I started directing the show, there
wasn't a single bit they were all all rooting for me.
They were all excited for me. Bill of course was

(01:10:04):
a competitive motherfucker. But the rap because he was a
little like, Okay, here's the hardest episode we've ever made,
but which I won't fucking mention the zip line episode.
You did you already? Did you already know? I didn't
mention it. I didn't mention it now on my fucking
Twitter feed, no matter why I write people like, oh,
is this the episode about the zip line? Right? Fuck
you guys, But no, everyone was rooting for me and
everyone was supportive, and uh, I loved it. I loved

(01:10:26):
it so much because, um, you know, Donald and I
can make each other laugh so so quickly and easily.
So when he's doing his when he if he's got
a big joke and I'm cracking up, and then we're
in the zone together and like, oh, do another taken
and say this, and then he's willing to try it.
You know, it's it's it's so much fun. It's it
was amazing. It Also it also feels like, uh, Scorsese

(01:10:46):
and de Niro or Scorsese and Puccino, you know what
I mean. It's like not that we're on that level
or we are. Donald say will tell us that tell
us that we are. But it's like, you know, Scorsese
puts his friends in the movie. He's not putting them
in the movie to make them fall flat on their face,
you know what I mean. And so when Zach is

(01:11:07):
giving you direction and everything when we're shooting, he's not
doing it because he wants to get through the day.
He wants you to shine just like everyone else. He
wants everything to be perfect, you know. And so yeah,
where there are people that come into a situation like
this and they're just like, let's just get the lines
right and everybody and we can move on. I just
want to tell my story and that's it, whereas zach

(01:11:27):
Is wants to tell his story, but he's also open
to you expressing yourself in the piece. Yeah, great question, Kate,
you have another one since we like you so much. Oh,
you're You're so nice. Actually, I would like to tell
you just why I actually reached out to Joel if
I could, because I just think it's crazy because I
don't believe out in signs unless they work out for me.

(01:11:49):
But I right, but there's not enough time in the day.
I was doing one of my hiding from my family errands,
listening to the latest episode and errand I happened to
be doing was I was returning some scrubs to a
store that my husband had ordered online that were comically
large on him because you know, we're all trying to

(01:12:10):
order online and it sucks we have no idea, like
you know. And so I was listening to your podcast
returning scrubs and when I walked into the uniform city
store that sells the scrubs the song Everywhere by Michelle
Branch O your anthem, and it was like, listen, we
were gonna. I thought I had her on the hook.

(01:12:32):
We were we were twitter dmy I said, would you
come on the show? She goes sure, and I go,
would you play Everywhere live on acoustic? And she's like
the dots came up and then they went away. And
I was like, that's like when you're off fishing and
read dog, I haven't cast again. I feel like I
read YO left you on Red? Isn't it left you

(01:12:55):
on Red? Same shit? Red spelled the same way Dog?
Where at least I can at least I can brag
them Michelle branch left me on Red. That's true, that's true.
And now I let people that and it was like
right like Zach, it was right at the like yeah,
you know the key change, like the huge key change,
and I was like, oh god, this is a sign.
So I like asked Joel if it was a sign,

(01:13:16):
and she got back to me. I was like, I
guess so, because I never do things like this, I'm like,
I never win a raffle. I never win in anything.
No one picks me like and as I can't believe
I'm actually you're gonna win, Joel. Can we give her
some free ship? No? No, I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know. I mean no, are you so anti
free s No? Because she blamed me for the unlatching

(01:13:38):
of her kid episode I purposely never I heard you
say that shit you said, and I know breastfeed while
listening motherfucking loud. You even said, because Donald's too motherfucking loud.
I heard you. You said it to my wife. You
ever said to my wife. You even said it to
my wife. Can I use that golden produce? Got bold?

(01:14:00):
And you said it to my wife. You ain't getting ship, dlinskisk,
you get jack Ship. You're getting too loud now said
good day. You're getting too loud now. Ariolas all over
the world are publishing on the You're actually making me
like you're making my milk let. I'm gonna strip like work,
Oh my god, work, because I'm so sweaty and upset now,

(01:14:22):
Oh my god, I don't know if you're allowed to
say that the jack you guys told people to wipe
their balloon knots with your yes. Yes, rebably Donald's not mine.
Say whatever I want about my own breast milk. Ya

(01:14:47):
see did you see Cardi Bees? Yes, Cardi beans nipples?
What you mean in the video? No, Cardi Bee just
had a nipple slip. Did you guys see this on Instagram?
I don't heard about it, but I did not do it.
I did appreciate in the WAP video the fountains with
us spring and in our house a big thing that

(01:15:08):
we sing to our ten month old or ten ten
week old excuse me song? No, honestly, Zac, I feel
like a horrible human being. But instead of the hook
the way it is in the song, we sing, there's
some babies in this house. Now my daughter has started,
she'll be like doing plato and she'll be like, there's

(01:15:28):
some mamas in this house there. Oh my, hey, do
you take ye? Would you like? I do? I love? Okay,
let's send her some g I love it and I
love I love the like the plainest most like you know,

(01:15:49):
like the ginger that you know I love. I love
I've been drinking this um this one right here, Peter,
you got this one done? Oh yeah, that's my jam. Yeah,
Will I finished my martini. Okay, we will send you
some GTS kombucha, and we will send you some GTS
Aqua Keefer. Yes, for being such a wonderful guest. We

(01:16:12):
gotta go, though, I think right, we gotta go because
we have Chase Serrano who's not getting nearly enough attention
on this fucking episode. No, this is great for me.
I got it, I got my stuff off. She has
been replaced by Ariola talk. I don't like that. Boy.
You've been a great guest, Kate. We're gonna send you
a whole bunch of GTS kombucha and um and and

(01:16:32):
and have a good date night. For God's sakes, have
a good date night. Thank you, thank you. Sing. There's
some babies in this house. There's some babies in There's
some babies in this south. Give it up for Kate.
K this house, in this house, there's some babies in
this house. Okay, okay, by Kate Zelinski. He's a great

(01:16:55):
guest for a lot. She was very articulate and smart
and quick witted. I liked her. Well, guys, let's talk
more about the show Scrubs. That's why we have a
fancy Chase Rono gift. I'm sorry, sorry, go to break
first and then come back, Joe, Well, I don't like
to go to breaks. Okay, sorry, audience members were going
along today, so we'll be taking a break and we'll

(01:17:17):
be right back. Dorians loved them a fart joke, man.
I say this every time one of the Dorian family
members is on the show. But you yeah, I don't.
I only like good fart jokes. I don't like these

(01:17:39):
fart jokes. I didn't think these were impressive fart jokes
in this show. They were trying to harmonize their farts.
What's not funny about that? What's not funny about that? Dude?
They took the show on the road. They cut to
the audience and all the audience have their T shirts
up above their noses. So embarrassing. Um. Scott Rabbidou who
was my stand in, and Kati Ortiz, who was Judy's

(01:18:04):
stand in, both have a line. Finally, in this episode,
if around five thirty eight, when Kelsea comes in to
tell everyone not to moonlight. Uh, they're the two they're
the nurse and the doctor I believe who who have
a line saying what they do to moonlight? Um? At
the hospital. So there you go. And how funny was
Sam Lloyd trying on the wig? Yeah you didn't see that.

(01:18:29):
Now let's talk about my black by Popular Demand shirt
loaned by Turk. I'm also going to do RAG. I
don't know if I do that in twenty twenty. Thank
you for letting me where this man. The sisters are
loving it. Should you say Charmaine even called me a cracker? No,
I said it innocently like Charmaine even called me a cracker. No,
you said it with some platitude. You said the whole

(01:18:51):
thing with some attitude. It's like, thanks for letting me bow.
I'm gonna this is what I This is how I
heard you say it. Thanks for letting me bow the
shirt play it. This is loving it. Charmin even call
me a cracker. I definitely didn't do that. I would
also like to say that I would not wear a
do rag and a black Bipopular Demand T shirt now,

(01:19:15):
But for the story point for those of you, it
was T shirt on loan to me. I wish you
still had that shirt. Donald, you would rock that. I
would wear that shirt right now with it without hesitation.
And then you go. You end the scene by saying,
now check the ball cracker, Now check the ball cracker. Yeah.
That was the first monologue I ever had on the

(01:19:37):
show like that. And I remember I think her name
was Sharon Liggins. It's Sharon Liggins. She was our NBRC rep, yeah,
pr NBC person maybe yeah. And she was on the
set that day and she was like, you know, she
gave me a little pep talk before it, like you know,

(01:19:59):
we you know, I want to see a shine on
this show, so you know, I that we could cut
this out because I don't know. No, I don't want
to cut it out. I like where it's going go.
She was, She said, she said something to the network
like we need to give Donald more stuff to say
as an African American and she was an African American

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woman and she was an African American woman and uh.
And she was like, and this is why you have
this monologue. And I was like, holy shit. And I've
never asked around her, asked and You're like, I had
to go memorize this ship, dude, I and I you're
absolutely right. I did say that shit. In my head.
I was like, oh shit, I better memorize this shit.
And I remember when we were doing it. I remember

(01:20:40):
feeling like, oh, I didn't nail it. I didn't quite
nail it. But then when I watched it back today,
it's you know, I'm not saying that I'm great in it,
but I definitely you definitely understand what the fuck I'm
talking about, you know what I mean. And that's and
that's a that's a big deal for me. Like sometimes
I watch my stuff. It's rare that I watched myself,

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but when I do, the one problem I have is
am I delivering the lines in the way that people
can understand where I'm coming from and what I'm saying.
And this was one of those moments where it I
felt like I was and it just so happened to
be one of those moments where an African American woman
in the NBC arena stepped up for me and was said,

(01:21:24):
you know, I think Donald needs more monologues on this show.
That's cool. Shout out to Sharon's Yeah, David Vanney's studio
array now, which is okay, Yes, Sharon Lincolns, shout out, yeah,
Sharon Lincolns. I mean making a difference. You can see
behind the scenes making a difference, and uh, and that's
a great story. I never knew Donald's. You just taught

(01:21:45):
me Donald Phazon scrubs anecdote even I didn't know. Well,
those are one of those things that you you don't
really talk, you don't brag about, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah,
you just do it. And she did a great story
about It's a great story about her and and her
her and her character and what she was trying to
do with the network. Well she's fired, man, She's like
she's she was always she always looked out from the

(01:22:06):
gate um. Now. The dog that's Ken's dog was Ken's
real dog, Australian shepherd. It's name was Pal, his name
was pal and Um and it was the smartest dog.
I mean, Ken had this dog so well trained. Australian
Shepherds are known for being super intelligent, but this was
like the best trained dog. I mean Ken could be

(01:22:27):
like Pal, go get the blue toy in the other room,
and the dog would go and like, choose from ten
toys the blue toy. I mean it was amazing. Not
only that he's calling the dog Baxter, and the dog
is responding to Baxter so well. He probably he probably
the night before was like hey man, tomorrow, I'm gonna
call you Baxter and the dogs like O. But this

(01:22:49):
this all scene it made me sad because maybe miss
Sam Lloyd. But this whole scene where Sam the lawyer
is competing with the dog boxter is so funny. It's
really funny. That's the funniest part of this episode. Yes,
I agree, I agree. Um, Baxter won't so so he
goes up so um. Someone says to him, Ted, you

(01:23:12):
don't have to do this competition with the dog, and
he's shut up. I can win this. Uh. And then
and then later as he comes running in, he goes
Baxter won't get out of my chair. Who knew Elliott
was scared of domesticated animals, dude, cats, No, just any
domestic gun. When she walks in, there's a pig and

(01:23:34):
she's like, but, I mean, doesn't some bullshit. I don't
think any doctors are moonlighting his vets. It's not the
same it's not the same thing. I don't think it's
as hard as a heart. I don't think it's I
don't think it's the same thing. How about how the
janitor doesn't know where the emergency room is. Yeah, that
jumps out. They really didn't. They really didn't give Neil
a lot to do in this episode, he has he

(01:23:54):
has one moment where where Tom Cavanaugh hurts him, and
then he asked where the emergency room is? Um, how
about Kelso revealing he's got a side hustle side, he
got a little side piece. He's got a little side.
I have a real question here because and and I'm
sorry if it's gone over my head. And we've and

(01:24:15):
we've talked about it over and over again, and I
get the Dan to screw up in everything, But why
is JD so hard on Dan? Like he's so hard
on this. Dan's been horrible to JD. Jan Dan has
stolen girlfriends from him. I mean, doesn't he's gonna go
on to steal doesn't he date Elliott? That happened already,
That didn't it didn't happen yet. No, Okay, Dan's a

(01:24:37):
horrible brother. I mean He's done some really horrible shit.
I think Jad's embarrassed because Dan's doesn't do anything. He
lives at home and complains about his mom. And I mean, Shay,
you might you might have more to say on this.
I think he's I think he's embarrassed and his brother
is constantly screwing him over. Yeah, that all that all
feels exactly right. That's the same read I got on it.
He was just when you're I think, when you're the

(01:24:58):
younger sibling, if you feel like you have leap from
over the older one part of you is excited about that,
and also part of you is like kind of mad
about it. Why why do I have to be the
one who's doing all of this? Why can't you you
do some shit too? Why does it always have to
be me? And then you know, he hints at that
the thing about him being mad from their childhood when

(01:25:18):
Dan wasn't there for him, Like that's just all sort
of coming out all at once in this episode feels
like right. But then it makes it makes it, It
makes your point even better at the end. Was Dan
really there for him this old time? But only in
behind the scenes, you know what I mean? You know,
that's a great point. I like that you said that, Shay.
And in the spirit of Kai Zalinski's question about when

(01:25:38):
I'm um, how I judge my own acting, I'm going
to say that I think that the actor Zach was
good in that scene where I confronted Dan I was,
I would have said, good job. I think that was good. Oh,
right on, I'll agree with that. No, I think it
was a good scene between the don't I don't think that.
Watching it twenty years later, sometimes I go, what the
fuck you doing? Well, there's some moments, right, that was

(01:26:00):
a good scene between us. I liked it. Well, it's
a great scene because when he does what it makes
what he does for you so much more powerful. So
absolutely that message has to be there. You said something
earlier that I thought was really amazing and that you know,
Bill would when Kate was on that Bill would come
up and he would tell you why you have to
have more energy on jokes and everything like that. And

(01:26:23):
it's something that we talk about always, how you know
these storyline how storylines connect through the shows and everything.
It's really you know, Bill is really good at setting
up moments like that, moments like Dan and Cox at
the end. Everything, every this whole show is built for
that one moment at the end, you know what I mean?

(01:26:44):
And um, that's that's something to be that, that's something
to be said because that means that this was this
wasn't written And then he was like and then at
the end. It feels just me personally, and I could
be wrong about this, and maybe this is a nice
Bill situation, but it feels like this episode was originally

(01:27:05):
this is the episode where we learn Dan is a
whole lot more than what we think he is. Now,
let's write that story, you know what I mean. That's
what it feels like, because that moment at the end
of this show is so important for everything that happens
after this. You know, it's not like what she was
saying like it makes it makes us question for the
first time how much how much Dan is doing some

(01:27:27):
you know, odds behind the curtain work that could have
gotten JD exactly where he is. Yeah, I like the
thing that happens where every so often they will like
poke a hole in doctor Cox, because this episode starts
with them with with JD doing the pickles thing, messing
with the patients, mister Bober, and then doctor Cox scares him,

(01:27:50):
well did I catch you mocking this patient? And JD
scared and he's like, oh, like you know, I've never
been more proud of you, and they kind of share
a moment there and divide into the show. We realize like, okay,
doctor Cox has misread this situation here because doctor Cox
is a is a prick for a lot of the
time with a lot of the patients, but he's always
doing it in a way that lets you know he

(01:28:11):
cares a great, great deal. And j D still is
his third year or the third season anyway, he's not
quite ready to operate at that level yet. He can't
do that. But you can't do those two things at
the same time. He can't, right, He's trying it on,
he's trying it, and doctor Cox is like, oh cool,
you can do it. And Dan is like, he's not
ready yet, and that's like and also like you can

(01:28:33):
be a cynical bastard, but this this, this is a
kid still relatively and he's wide eyed and he's you know,
don't make him. You don't rush him to it. If
he becomes you in in twenty years, then so be it,
but don't rush him to that, you know. Yeah, Yeah,
it's a it's a similar thing, like a bigger stakes
thing than like I have a with three three sons,
the youngest one to seven, and every once in a

(01:28:55):
while he'll say like a cuss word, and I think
it's the funniest thing in the world, and Laramie is like,
he can cuss when he's older. I get that, you
think it's funny, but it's like, don't rush him into that.
He'll get there when he needs to get there. And
then I always feel like a jerk afterward, and I'm like, yeah,
you're right here, exactly right. I can't believe dude, I
think it's the funniest shit. Can you tell him what

(01:29:18):
your daughter said? We can cut it out if you
don't want to use Yeah, no, we can use it.
So when so because she said it to Florence, I
think no, she gets when she gets hurt or if
something hurts. Dude. I'm talking about when she came over
my house and Florence said, how is the car ride
or something? And do you remember this story? No? What
did she say? I don't know. She's gonna say he's

(01:29:38):
driving like a stupid ass motherfucker. Yeah, And Florence was like,
She's like, how was the car ride over? My dad
was doing driving crazy? Oh well, what did you tell
him you were upset? Yeah? I said he was a
stupid ass motherfucker. She used it the right way, She

(01:30:04):
used it the right way. Yeah, here's here's one that's
really funny. So I have an eighteen year old nineteen
year old son, right, and so he said, he's really
into the office right now and stuff. So he says,
dumb shit around the boy who's seven, Like, that's what
she said. Yeah, And so my son doesn't know necessarily

(01:30:28):
how that's what she said works. So Casey was like,
dang man, somebody used to wash these dishes. And Rock
will be like, that's what she said. Who right, whose
water is this? That's what she said, little dumb stupid

(01:30:55):
ass motherfucker. We're we're all most done, I think, right, guys,
I wanted to uh, I wanted to play you one
video real quick that's on the internet and it's a
it's a very funny woman who's inspiring you all to
vote and to make sure you stay in line. Did
you see this on My My Stories Donald the woman

(01:31:17):
I didn't. I did with the one that's sitting down
in the chair and how she's Yeah, I'm gonna play
it for you. It's a woman. It's a very funny woman,
and she's uh getting ready to get in line to vote,
and she's encouraging. She's she's been online, she's been waiting.
I don't know what her situation is, but halfway through
the video she when she starts cutting to it, she
cuts to her chair and her cooler, and I just

(01:31:38):
want to play you this woman because I think she's
an inspiration and you should listen to what she says.
All right, hold on here she is. Hold on, Okay, guys,
I know I'm holding here, And get my jush. I
got my close hair on, I got my savage clothes on.
I'm ready for this damn he and I'm ready for
the easy because I'm going to vote and ain't shit,

(01:32:00):
don't stand not this song, not dizzy, and y'all need
to go on on and get y'all jewish and get
y'all vote on because limits show you. I'm read, I'm read.
I'm gonna get my damn jewish. They can stand out
there for fifteen hours. I got him, they can stand
out there for twenty four hours. I got my snacks painting.

(01:32:23):
I'm going to vote, and I said you go voteing,
So there you go. I don't know what judge means,
but it means fucking go vote probably, no matter what
you gotta do, right guys, Yeah, yeah, man, support um
I wanted to Shay everyone. If you've been listening to
Shay and you still haven't got his book, check it out. Shay.

(01:32:45):
Remind everybody how they get your self published essays and
on scrubs that are amazing. And shall you do you
do a podcast too? Dark We're gonna plug that too.
Donald's first the book, Shay. The website is Halfway books
dot com Halfway Books. Yeah, man, I'm gonna keep it
honest with you, Zach. I don't like how you beginning

(01:33:05):
a puffy chest with me, like you want to do something?
Do you want to wrestle? Do you want to come
over and wrestle? I would are you staying when I
think you're saying. All I'm telling you is if I
if I get a movement, it doesn't count you. Also,
will you smoke we to wrestle with me? No, that's
feels like I'm sure there's a lot of people listening

(01:33:29):
that would love to take you up on that. Yes,
according to Shay, there's many Mexicans who would love that offen. Yeah,
if you want to smoke weed and wrestle with me?
At me? Donald underscore aison on Instagram. All right, Shaye
and tell us about your podcast that you have going
how people find that. Um it's called The Connect and
it's wherever you get podcast. It's a movie podcast. Basically,

(01:33:51):
all we do is we take one central theme and
then me and the co host Jason Concepts you on
each pick a movie that touches on that theme. So
it could be like, Okay, this week's theme is find
a movie where somebody's having relationship troubles, and we're like, okay, cool,
Clueless and Garden State Boom's. Now we're going to talk
about those two movies through this lens. Right on. We
talked about La La Land earlier. Is that one of

(01:34:13):
the movies that you've ever did you guys ever do
that one? Oh? We haven't done that one yet, but
that's really really good. Donald only wants to tune in
Shay when you do La La Land. Listen Nobody. Shay,
as you know from listening you guys say, can talk
about movies and TV in such an amazing, interesting, articulate way.
So check out his podcast, although don't listen to it

(01:34:34):
before you listen to ours. Another thing I want to
mention that I think is cool if you're a creative person.
Adobe Max is a big creativity conference is happening the
twentieth to the twenty second. I only know about this
because I'm one of the speakers, and I'm telling you
because it's free. Normally this is a paid thing, but
this year, because of life being what it is, the

(01:34:55):
good folks of Adobe have made it free. So it's
all sorts of presentations and speeches and cool things you'd
get at a creativity conference, but free. So go to
Adobe max dot com to define that. Because and also
you can watch my video because I I give out
some little pearls of wisdom. I think you're teaching about film, Zach,

(01:35:16):
what are we learning? I'm auditioning to be a film professor. No,
I speak about the creative process a bit, and I
I don't know, I hopefully inspire a bit. I videotaped
it already, it's already. It's um. Lastly, I just want
to talk about merch. We you know, Donald and I
got made fun of for having shitty merch, so we
went all out. Now we've got all sorts of ship
there's hoodies, there's t shirts and different colors. There's a dish,

(01:35:39):
there's a washcloth that was meant for you to take
in the shower. But I posted on on Instagram a
young woman used it at her as her dish towel.
It's it's hanging over the handle of her stove, so
you can also use it as your dish towel. We
got a lot of good shit coming, sho I'd tell
me we got coming down. Let's get let's get into it.
We got for the holiday season. We've got wrapping paper

(01:36:00):
or a coming that's smart, that's a smart one. We
got ornaments, we got we got pop sockets boom, we
got pop sockets coming, you're aware. And my favorite item
that I don't think we ordered enough of, definitely, but
we'll find out. We have. We have Zach and Donald's

(01:36:21):
onesiest way, those are flying out of here. Yeah, well
we had to. We had to decide how many to order,
and Donald and I were like, I don't know how
many we should or I mean like, I don't know
how many people buy this, And then I don't think
we ordered enough because I think they'll be popular because
everyone in my family wants them. But anyway, that's our merch.
So don't think we don't have good merch now, and

(01:36:42):
don't make fun of us for having shitty merch because
we got into it. Oh and you find the merch
sorry by going to cotton Bureau dot com and searching
for fake doctors real friends. Um, I thought we could
end the show with Josh Raiden because we've never done that.
Donald all this time, we've never played a Josh Raiden song.
We were waiting Josh Raiden was gonna be on the
show to play a song. That's silly. We're gonna ask

(01:37:04):
Josh Raiden to play a song live when he's on
maybe maybe if we're if we were good podcast producers,
we would have him play Winter. We would have him
play Winter on My screw Up at the end of
My screw Up. That's what we should do, right, So
which song should we have Josh Raiden played? Well, you
and I I think have the I think you and
I have the same favorite Josh Raiden song. I have
a couple of favorite Josh Raiden songs, but I think

(01:37:26):
you and I have the same most favorite. Which one
is that paperweight? Fucke? Dude? You know me? All right?
Listen next week Tara Reid on the show, guys read Sharknado.
We're gonna get some good stories from Tara Reid. She
plays a scientist and Sharknado. Tara Reid will be on

(01:37:48):
the show next Yes and Tara Reid. Tara Reid's got
a lot of always always when we were shooting, had
a lot of funny anecdotes, so she'll bring him and
she said yes, so we'll have Tary Reid. And thank
you guys so much for listening. Thank you Shay for
being such a good guest. Share the best as always,
to do best shape. Okay, um, Sorry for the unlatch, Joel,

(01:38:10):
Another one, another unlatch, Another unlatch, Joel. We love you, Daniel,
We love you. Here is Josh Raden with Donald and
my favorite song paperwek been up all night staring at you,
wondering what's on your mind. I've been this way so

(01:38:31):
many for this feels like first time you have sunrise.
Go back to bed and I will make you last
up my bed. Whatnay kicked off the covers? Away down?

(01:39:05):
Every world say, I think high shine Down. I don't
fucke come Dony, happy late, just happy to be. I'm
happy to know you play me, so your newest one,

(01:39:31):
Please leave your taste on my tongue. Payper away on
my back cover me like agin my sup my bed
with me, kick op the covers some way down. Everyone

(01:40:04):
you say I think I should ride down, don't forget,
come down night and no need to work Read that's
waste some time and no need to work under what's

(01:40:30):
been on my mind? It's you. It's you. It's you.

(01:40:53):
Everyone you say I think I should ride down, don't forget?
Come did I I give up? I'll you well you

(01:41:18):
I'm not counting. You made it back to sleep again.
Wonder what your dreamman,