314: My Screw Up with Joshua Radin

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And here he is America's favorite phase on Donald's Faison.
What were you guys just talking about? We were talking
about Oculus, but I don't want to talk about it
anymore because we already gave them a seven minute ad today,
did we give Okay, we can talk about it a
little bit. Joelle tried. Joelle tried to gain the paint game. Joelle,

(00:20):
howd it go? It was so cool. I really liked
the star like thing. That was great. You can't see
stars where I live in Los Angeles, but I'm from
the country. We used to live where the corn grows,
and I missed stars, and so I just spent like
twenty minutes and there just stargazing. And then I found
out you could get like a dress bust, you know

(00:42):
where they like pin all the clothes to it so
that you can like design clothes with the light in
different textures they have. So I made pretty dresses for
like twenty minutes. Oh, I didn't know you could make
make clothes. I gotta try that. Fun as hell. And
then yeah, walking around in your own like design and
some of the colors were like flash and do like
pretty rainbow things. It's very if you were a Lisa

(01:05):
Frank person. Enjoy this app. You can be your own
Lisa Frank. I don't know who Lisa Frank is. Oh
my god. Okay. In the nineties, Lisa Frank made like
trapper keepers and binders and folders, but they were all
like neon tigers and elephants and dolphins, and dolphins were huge,
just beautiful, beautiful stuff. But all the girls in the
nineties had Lisa Frank binders and such. Oh got it? Hey,

(01:28):
did you get more Instagram followers because I blew up
your hot picture that you posted? I did? I think
maybe a thousand more people, maybe a thousand. Yeah, that's wow,
that's a lot. I was gonna I was gonna write
something like, you know, only slide into your DMS if
you mean business. But then I said, I'm just gonna
not en don't don't do that. Don't do that, don't
do that. I was worried she'd get dick picks, so

(01:49):
I didn't. Yeah, let me just censor the uh. I
don't you know what? You know what's interesting? Do you
go through like all of your emails Joe my emails? Ye,
not your emails, your your DMS. I'm sorry when I'll
scroll through them, because sometimes people have very lovely things
to say, and they're like, I don't know how to

(02:11):
reach you. I just want to say, and I'm like,
oh my god, that's so nice. Thank you. If you're
sending me a picture, they're all blurred out. I don't
know what they say. I can't see them. I don't
look at them. They're probably there's a couple I've opened
with you and been like, that's a screwed them and
I don't want it. And you men, What is it
with men sending dicks? I mean it's I mean, it's

(02:31):
obviously just the fucking power power thing. But I never understood, like,
what do they think the responses they're going to get
from sending a picture of their dick? I want to
put it in my mouth. They're never gonna get that.
I mean, if you're the one woman in the world
or man who's responded mm, looks good, then you've ruined
it for everybody, because people keeping a lot of people

(02:56):
give me ship for eating popcorn yesterday. I'm sorry, everybody.
I'm sorry, but you edited some of it out, Danel, Yeah,
I mean I had to cut some of it out.
Some of it was very explicit. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I don't know what happened, Daniel. What happened to your webcam? Man?
We don't need It's just it's not working right. I
want the audience to know. I just want the audience

(03:17):
to know the dann a very fancy webcam because he's
missed her a computer guy, and we can't see him
because it doesn't work. The woman's stream will look better.
All it says. All it says is image edge webcam. Yeah,
you're image I would tell you if you're out in

(03:37):
the market for webcam, don't get an imaging edge one.
Hey Daniel, do you want to plug your stream? Since
I gave Joelle a shout out for for Instagram? What
what is your streaming? What's your streaming thing? Watch you
play stream on twitch at twitch dot tv slash dj
underscore Daniel like my Twitter handle my stream on Wednesdays

(04:01):
and Sunday nights seven pm onward. And what game do
you play? Yeah? What game play? Everything? Playing a lot
of the new season of Fall. Guys. There's a brand
new GTA five Heist that came out today. I play
a lot from that. That GTA Heights looks fire, looks
I haven't. I haven't played I haven't played gt Granted,

(04:23):
I haven't played GTA or Red Dead in about a
year now since I got home and COVID happened. And
you know, you can't. You can't just immerse yourself in
these world worlds for hours when you've got you know, eight,
a seven year old and a five year old running
round of course. Of course, but there used to be
a big GTA guy. He was addicted making scrubs. You

(04:44):
were playing, dude, GTA got to well. I wonder how
they're gonna address it with the ps what is it
a five now? Yeah? And the Xbox what is it
an Xbox, Xbox series X whatever the whatever it is? Right, Yeah,
there's how many there's so many consoles. But anyway, I
wonder how they're going to address that because the graphics

(05:06):
and the fluidity of the original were always fire anyway,
Like you could do everything and anything in GTA. You
can fly, you can rob somebody. They even made it
so you could rob banks and stuff like that. Like
they it gets to it. It's it's high level, uh,
you know, scum and villainy. Villainy. However, he's that scum
and villainy. Yeah, it's high level. How do they address that?

(05:29):
How do they address that with the new consoles? How
do they make it? How do you make it more
realistic than is the question? And and can you make
it virtual? Like what would be fire for these games
now is if what's the thing that they had in
that movie when a boy jumped on a treadmill and
could run in any direction if you could? Yeah, I

(05:55):
love them first of all that they do. Yeah, they
have things like like I know, they got the best
I know you put like wheeled sneakers on and you
and you walk around in this uh circle, rig right, Daniel,
you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, oh absolutely. What's
it called? I think it's called like an omni omni track.

(06:16):
You have like a little wasting that goes around you
and then it's like a treadmill that just moves in
any direction. They're very cool. That would be that would
be a really cool but yeah, I don't know how
you would That would be really cool if you could
figure out a way to be actually jump into the
universe like in Ready Player one. That's next. Obviously we're
so far away from that. We're something we're that far

(06:37):
away from it. I mean, just messing around with the
oculus too. Now I'm seeing we're not far away from it.
All right, we should get to the show because people
don't want to hear another long VR conversation. I'm sure
it was. It's just so listen for all of you
out there, I'm just saying, they've got the PS fives
and the Xbox whatever it is. But I'm telling you
that oculus. Man, all right, it's a very special show,

(06:58):
you know what. Amazing. First of all, it's an amazing show.
It's I may not know. I did not know how
emotional I was going to get at the end of this.
You hit me up and you were like, yo, h
it's uh, it's it's it's My screw Up. Yeah. Should
we have rating on? And immediately I was like, oh, snap,
we're already yet the rating episode. Well listen, I had

(07:19):
thought for since we started. Here's the thing about My
screw Up. It's a lot of people's favorite episodes. It's
one of the highest ranking episodes in terms of like
the way they write ranked people, fans ranked things on
TV dot Com. It's ranked I read it's tied for
highest with an episode called My Lunch from season five,
so it is a lot of people's favorite episode. We

(07:41):
had planned to have Brandon on, We had planned to
have Johnny on, but you know, between COVID and the
holidays and our schedules, everything's all fa cocky. So I
just said to to Donald, why don't we have Josh
Raiden on? Because Josh Raiden, for those of you don't know,
wrote the song Winter that plays at the end of
the show, and that that song launched his entire career.
It broke him. It broke him literally, it broke him.

(08:04):
It turned him into the Josh raiding that Listen, Man,
I remember going to see Josh. Wait, wait, let's save it.
Let's invite him in, danil is he here? Save bringing in?
Let's see what he looks like. Oh, funderous applause, Dan,
I'm thunderous. Applause. Joshu will write, Okay, okay, someone's had

(08:31):
some coffee. Someone's had some coffee. He's barking. This is
my first podcast. We have, we started, we'd already begune.
We did a whole we did. We've been talking about
you on the podcast. It's it's happening, all right, and
we're back in everybody. We had a very interesting thing
we edited out trying to educate a professional magician how
to record himself. Josh, why do you call him a magician?

(08:54):
Did you just call him a magician a musician? How come, Josh,
you don't know how to record yourself? I remember called intelligent.
We're so happy you're here, everybody. So, if you don't know,
Joshua Raiding is my friend from Northwestern and he also
he's my friend. He's my friend. I introduced him to

(09:14):
Donald faz one Vegas trip. That's all it took, even
before Vegas, though I met in New York. We met
in New York, Dude, Jeff Sucker, I know we met
in New York. Josh, you were there that night, back
when you had a whole other life, man, back before
you were a musician, back when you were dating another girl.

(09:35):
Now now you're freaking a freaking I'm gonna say it.
You're a playboy, dog, You're a true player. You're a
rock star. Man. Do you know how hard it is
to be single in a pandemic? Oh? I not feel
for him, dude, he's doing this all alone. You can't date.
And then Joel knows you can't date during during COVID
and die. So yeah, but you could set up so

(09:56):
much stuff and when COVID's over just played out, you
can have You got the gift, man, you got the voice,
and you got the guitar. That is all you need.
I know, but that should be put on layaway and
people out there. I'll be like, Okay, I will wait
until two twenty twenty two to give up somebody's goods.

(10:18):
One thing to be like laying foundation, Joel. I'm sure
is laying some foundation, right, Joel, you're flirting too a
little bit. I got the job done well, but I
just I get the job done well anyway. So, Josh,
you met Donald for the first time our infamous Big night.

(10:40):
Josh was my great friend in New York and then
I got Scrubs and we went through it all together.
We went through the life change, right, Josh, I watched
some pretty hilarious things. Yeah, and Donald Donald and I
were instantly inseparable, and Josh was there with us through
many an adventure. Listen, man, we're going to get your

(11:03):
best friend become famous. Is a is a very interesting thing.
And vice versa, dude, and vice versa. Oh, I mean
when I mean when I say famous, I mean the
kind of famous that we'd walked down the street New
York and sometimes I would walk like, you know, ten
feet behind Zach through the city just to watch people
right after they pass him go, oh my god, that
was Zach Brath. Oh my god's the guy from Scrubs.

(11:25):
You know. It was so funny to watch people's reactions
to see I just do that to myself in real time.
It was cool just to piggyback on that, you know, Josh,
at least I could say for myself. I remember going
to like the hotel cafe or to like you know,
I guess, yeah, just the hotel cafe really and it

(11:47):
being empty and it just being me, Zach, Mandy Moore,
and Minka Kelly, and that was it in the in
the audience watching you perform, and you would go on
after like some other act and some other act, and
then it would be just you and you'd get to
do like three songs, and we'd wait the whole night
for you to go up and perform. Dude, and that's

(12:08):
you and now and then so and then so it
blew my mind. And I'm gonna say this you know,
it's great that you know, the music was on scrubs
and everything like that, but there was still struggle after
the music was on scrubs and people don't really know
that shit. You know, the song was brought and everything
like that, but you know, it wasn't like you know,
it wasn't like an overnight all of a sudden instant thing,

(12:31):
you know what I mean. It's I'm still waiting for
that big break. Well, Josh, tell everyone, do we ever
count in? I forgot about six seven, eight stories about Sure,
we made about a bunch of nurses stories. So gather

(12:56):
around here, yato around here? Did you guys see that
Josh Josh Rayden kaijacking the five secres. Usually the guests
wait for permission, but no Josh. Longtime listeners, Ac tell everyone, actually,

(13:16):
Josh is one of my few friends. Josh and my
girlfriend's mom are the only people left in my life
that's still listen to the podcast. Your mom doesn't listen anymore.
I don't think my mom. Well, she might, but she
doesn't mention it. Carrie Brothers mentioned I was on Mark
Maron's podcast He Like Loved You on Mark Marron's podcast.
He doesn't bring up this podcast anymore. But Josh Raydon

(13:39):
often listens when he's hiking, as I understand it, right, Josh,
I know Johnny still listens to the podcast. Actually cast
your podcast for the Well, I've told you this, but
I'll tell your listeners right when the world shut down.
I live here in la as you guys do, and
I live up in the hills, and there's all these
like stone stairs that go through the hills. These secret
stone stairs that I COVID got me so scared that

(14:02):
I wanted to get in good cardiovascular shape because obviously
the better shape you're in for a respiratory disease of yours.
So I started running up and down these stairs every morning,
and the podcast was the only thing that got me through. Well,
that's great. We've had a lot of people say they
exercised and inspired them, and that makes us very happy.

(14:25):
I have to see because I didn't get to see
you guys for so long until we like we formed
a pod and then I could see you in like
in our backyards are just our few, you know, tightest friends.
But it was like I went like a good six weeks,
seven weeks without seeing one single person, you know, just
sitting in my house by myself and so listening to
you guys talk, uh, you know twice a week was

(14:45):
was just saved my life. Really, you know, we don't
never talk about that type of stuff, being by yourself
for six weeks, Josh, other than like, I guess face
timing and how did you how did you cope with
that when COVID first hit Joe, Well, you have your
brother with you, right, yeah, Joel, because her brother Josh
was totally alone. You were do loo basically. It's it's

(15:09):
interestingly I finished my European tour. I was mid January
to mid February this year in a different city in
Europe every day, like hugging people, shaking hands, you know,
meeting so many different people every day. Right when COVID
was kind of like starting, but it wasn't a big
thing yet, people were like, oh, what's this, you know,
And so I got really sick for the whole month

(15:31):
of that tour. I had this weird throat infection. So
but it was before we knew really what it was,
and then I finally just got over it. But it
culminated in Italy in mid February, you know, which was
one of the Hot Spots Wow, which is one of
the hots Wow. Right then, I mean I was like,
I had to postpone a show in Rome because I
lost my voice and anyway, So I think I had it,
but I don't really know. Everybody everybody has that story, right,

(15:53):
everybody has that I think I had it. I don't
have that. I don't. I don't think I had it.
But Josh, did you get the anybody test? Or did
it go away in the editor. I went into our doctor,
as you know, we share a doctor, and I got
the antibody's test, but it was like six months later
and they were He said, we don't even know if
these tests are going to give a false positive or
pulse negative. We don't you know, anybody's my only last

(16:15):
two or three months, you know. So it turns out
I didn't have them after all that time. But my
point I was making was that, right, I just finished
touring this new album, all of it, and I thought
to myself, I'm gonna go home and sit in my
house by myself and write a new album and not
see anyone for like three months, and then it's basically
going to turn into a year and a half of
not seeing anyone, but I did when we at least

(16:36):
folded you into our pods, we can see you, We
see you. You're gonna come over for Jesus's birthday. That's true,
and neither one of you. You both are freaking yahweh
is looking down on YouTube like, no, you're always down
for us to celebrate a very nice Jewish man's birthday. Yeah. Also,

(16:58):
Zach friend is not Jewish, and it is a huge
Christmas lover and she's very into so we're gonna be
very supportive of her first Christmas in La. I wanted
to say that you give up your identity. You hate
your own people. You two, you hate your own people.
Josh is skimming over the fact that he didn't just
get in respiratory shape. He got in the sickest shape

(17:20):
I've ever seen him in. Yeah he he No, he's
got the sea gutters, dude, He's got the whole thing.
Oh wait, Joe, she s headed, Okay, so what is this?
I just want to know what is a sea gutter?
I don't want to see it in front of Joel. Joel,
can you take your headphones off from the go ahead?

(17:43):
All right? Joel took her headphones off, it's they call
him cum gutters and it's under the whoa whoa, under
the abs right here, like like the v and and theoretically,
I'm sorry earmums if you're in the car with your kids,
but it's where the semen would would likely gather like
a gutter. Okay, so all right, Joe, well put your

(18:07):
head hold on hold on No no no no no no
no no no no no it wasn't. You don't necessarily
have to Okay, she's a grown ass woman. You don't
necessarily have to be in shape to have. Yes, you
do the kind of I have talking Brad. I'm telling him,
Brad pennon fight Club, the vait he could catch it
in all of it. He could catch it there, all

(18:28):
of it. No, No, we're trading in this podcast. It's
all just audio. Right, it's just audio. Show us. Yeah,
show show Josh and show this see those look at
this ship. Yeah you didn't know that. Donald, I didn't
know that. The last time I saw him he was
kind of getting into dude. He looks like that now,

(18:50):
thanks thanks to the podcast. What do you got the peloton? No,
you got the stairs, you got stay, you got the stairs.
More than that though you can't just high. I can
get abs like that dog. He changed his whole diet.
He changes. I don't know. I don't know where to
where I would put a peloton in my house. I'd
have to put it outside. I don't think you can
do that, because then I could buy you in. Dog.

(19:11):
What you're eating, you're not eating? He doesn't. He he
doesn't smoke weed because it gives him munch. You stopped
smoking weed? Yeah, I've been eating healthy. He's smoking cigarettes. Oh,
I haven't smoke cigarettes in years. Good Josh was a
big smoker. And ladies and gentlemen, he is proof that
a hypnotist can work because he went to a hypnotist
once and never smoked again. Right, Josh, it you know

(19:34):
I didn't have a drag of a cigarette after that
for about ten years. And then I went through a
bad breakup with my ex girlfriend and started a little
bit again. And then No, but the hypnotists work. Speaking
speaking speaking a bad break He probably doesn't want to
talk about his break. No but speaking a bad breakup.
Let's just get into the song now, then, Ladies and gentlemen, paperweight, No, No,

(19:57):
Donald and I have Donald and I share one of
our favorite Josh Raids songs. We played it on the
show Paperweight. That's one of our favorites. I remember, thank
you for doing that. I listened to that episode. Now
it's in so many movies, man, Josh's music. All right,
we gotta go back. We're being bad interviewers here, we're
jumping around. I got distracted by his sea gutters. Now, Josh, Josh,

(20:22):
tell everyone the story. So, Josh, I mean, because you
just just give everyone of a cliff notes version of
your trajectory. Because you were a screenwriter in You're a
screenwriter in Manhattan. With with you and I were became
friendly being young aspiring writers in Manhattan. And then just
give everyone some some some bullet points of what happened

(20:42):
to you. Well, yeah, I was a struggling screenwriter. I
had I was waiting tables and doing you know, catering
gigs and things like that in New York, like starving
artists sort of stuff. And then I'd go down to
the cafe every morning, and you know, when I wasn't
working some other gig and write screenplays. I had written

(21:03):
like six features, and you and I would give each
other notes. I remember the first incarnation of Garden State
when it was called Largest Arc, and it was like
sixty pages longer than what I'd ended up becoming. But
I remember when you gave that to me after you
had read a couple of mine, and I was like,
I was writing like big budget romantic comedies or you know,

(21:23):
things that might maybe like a Will Ferrell or Ben Stiller.
At the time, I was like, that would be great
if I could get guys like that. And you gave
me the Largest Arc to read and to give you notes,
and I just remember thinking, this is like real, this
is making me feel something. I'm not doing it right,

(21:45):
and I just sort of felt like it sort of
inspired me too. I had never played music in my
whole life. I had never grown up playing music or
taking any instrument lessons or anything like that. And so
I was about to turn thirty years old, and I
was struggling as an artist, and I just thought, maybe

(22:07):
I'm doing these things for the wrong reasons. I'm trying
to write these screenplays to sell them, rather than like
writing what I know, or writing what I'm really passionate about,
or making myself vulnerable in some way with my writing.
And so I started playing guitar and learning a few
chords and learned a few covers, and then I knew
enough chords on the guitar after learning a couple of

(22:30):
Dylan songs that I was like, well, I'm a writer.
Maybe I'll try to write my own song. And I
wrote this song. Winter was the first song I wrote.
And I remember we were sitting in You and I
were sitting in my apartment in the East Village in
New York, and you saw a guitar in my living room,
sitting up against the wall, and you were like, I

(22:51):
didn't know you played guitar. And I was like, well,
I don't really play. I mean, I'm just kind of
learning and learn a few chords and a few cover songs.
And he said, we'll play me something like oh. I
could never do that at the time. I couldn't even
open my eyes when I was playing the song. I
was so nervous to play in front of anybody anyway.
So I made you turn around. I don't know if

(23:12):
you remember it. I do remember that you said, don't
look at me. Don't you look at me? Wow? And uh,
And I remember this vividly. I played this song Winter,
and you turned around and your eyes were like a
little watery and it had affected you. And I was like, wow,
that's cool. That nothing I've written, you know, in terms

(23:33):
of screenplays or paintings I painted or anything like that. Ever,
I'd ever seen that kind of response from someone other
than like my mom, you know, or dad or you know.
And uh so coming from a dear friend, that was
really cool. And it's sort of I don't know. I
remember you said to me, I really love that song.
You should probably maybe make a demo of it or something,

(23:55):
you know. Scrubs and Bills, Bill and Christmas. They're always
looking for music, especially the music that they can afford,
because at the time it wasn't sinks. It wasn't like
it as now. You wouldn't turn on the TV and
hear a Stones song or a Beatles song or something
like that. They were way too expensive. It was pre streaming,
so people were still making money in the music industry,

(24:18):
big legends. It was a good time for at the
time we were making Scrubs was an amazing time for
singer songwriters like Josh because, like he said, the big
famous songs they might splurge a couple of times, as
Bill did in this show and pay for a big song.
But in Josh's you know, it was a great opening

(24:39):
for a singer songwriter because they were they were they
were moving and beautiful, but gettable and affordable. So essentially
it was the gold rush for people like me. So
we moved, all these musicians moved from New York out
to LA where the music supervisors and the TV shows
and the movies are made. And I'd play in this
little place called though. Oh sorry, but I've skipped over
this part where the most important actually, because it has

(25:00):
to do with scrubs. So you said, you know, maybe
make a demo of that song. So I went into
carry brothers are their best friend, into his bedroom. He
had a little pro tools rig on an old Mac,
and I just played it live and then recorded a
harmony over it. I mean, as demo as you can get.
It's no mixing, no mastering, nothing like no, it's one

(25:23):
take and sent the demo to you. You forwarded it
onto Bill Lawrence and like, I don't know, like two
three weeks later, I get a call from Bill and
he's like, Hey, do you mind if I that song
works perfectly in this episode? Do you mind if we
use it? And And I was like, are you kidding? This
is the first song he the first song you'd ever
written that was only recorded just with a mic and

(25:45):
a guitar on pro tools, no nothing else except for
one pro tools back that it was like Carrie didn't
have like a real studio. This was like a this
is like a little rig we had. So the recording
we hear in the show is just you and Carry's bedroom, Yeah,
on a fifty eight mic, Like I mean, as basic
as you can get, well, and then I'll take it

(26:07):
from there. I just this this section. I remember I
always was playing music for Bill and he flipped out
over this. We I had no idea this would become
such a popular episode, but it was obviously, you know,
became enormous. And then everyone started searching for Josh's music.
But the thing is he didn't have any songs. He
only had one song, right Carry. I remember Carry when

(26:32):
it was airing. Carry's like, you need a MySpace page,
you know, so if people search for you or whatever.
So I didn't. I was even more computer or literate
back then, although nothing's really changed, and so Carry set
up my MySpace page. It was or a little website,
which is a picture of me and a link where
you could just listen to Winter the demo. And it

(26:54):
was really cool because Bill told me afterwards, and you
told me afterwards that after the show aired, Uh, well,
you guys were on NBC then before you had switched
to ABC. So the NBC website crashed after the episode
aired from so many people around the world trying to
find out where to get that song or whose song
that wasn't. Oh my god, well there goes screenwriting. I'm

(27:15):
moving to LA and become a musician. Yeah. So I
got goose bumps when you told me that. Just now
that was That's such a great story. I mean, yeah,
and and and it's just like it's like when Susan
Boyle came out and sang lay miss. You know, everyone
was like, oh my god, but I hear I didn't
hear what you said. I didn't. I didn't. I don't
get this Susan Boyle. Susan Boyle was that. I know,

(27:36):
I know who she is. I just don't understand how well.
It was so moving, and it was one of those
moments where I'm very moved, as I'm sure the world is.
Because these shows are so popular. When someone comes out
and it's Susan Boyle and you're not expecting it, and
they have a voice that makes you just your jaw
drop and you clutch your head like, oh my god,
where's this woman been. It's so moving she can perform

(27:57):
like that. And I'm just saying it was it reminded
me of Josh being like, he's he's thirty years old.
He was he hasn't sold a screen play. He was feeling,
he was going through a bad breakup, and all of
a sudden his entire life changed because he wrote, has
had the courage to write his very first song, and
the talent well, and also happened to be best friends

(28:19):
with a guy who was the star of a TV
show looking for music. So I mean, it's a combination
of as most people will tell you in the entertainment
business is it's a combination of of talent and work,
but also who you know, and of course of course
but but but but you know it, all all those
things line up. Of course, access is key and and
but but still, Bill wouldn't have even listened to four

(28:43):
seconds of my friend and shitty song, you know. Well,
I will also say that even after that episode aired
and we're talking about. It wasn't like this overnight thing
where all of a sudden I was like a rock star.
It was like, man, I remember, I mean it was
brick by brick still, I mean sixteen sixteen years later
and it's still like your music industries gets hurt every year,

(29:05):
but you are able to make a living as an artist,
and so you are blessed as we all are in
that way. And in normal times, Josh tours all over
the world, so you should always look where what's your website?
We'll get your plug in now, Josh, what's their website
to search for where you tour and ship? Well? Uh,
Joshua raidin dot com and raiding'spelled our A d I N.

(29:29):
That's correct. And then what do you do? Josh? You've
been doing this. We're gonna talk with the episode. Everyone
stop freaking out. Josh, what are you're doing? This interesting thing? Now?
You're doing sort of private home concerts. How do people
find out about that? On my website? You can you
can see it. It's just a link. That's It's a
company called Topeka Live that started after when this pandemic started.

(29:50):
It's just some guys I knew that started this company
to help musicians kind of engage with their audiences all
over the world and play live through these Zoom shows.
So I've been doing that a lot this year. So
you can like have at you could have a Zoom part,
like if your friends all love Josh, you could have
like a Zoom party and Josh all you hire Josh

(30:10):
to comply. Or you can even just have a salt
song with your with your lover. It's a bunch of
different options, and it's it's been very It's I might,
I might get paperweight for me and Donald Donald? Do
you want us? You want us put that with me?
It's pretty cool because the company a portion of every zoom,
whether it's a serenade that's like one song and you
get like a chat fifteen minutes, or it's like a

(30:32):
forty five little minute mini concert you get like six songs,
you request the songs whatever we chat. You can do
like six different windows of zooms of people all over
the world. If you have how much for you to
show your sea gutters? Is that? Is there an option
for that option for that maybe just for for for
Zach and Donald. Wait, hold up, do you have only

(30:53):
fans Josh? Do I have what only fans. I'm not
sure what that is. Okay, you need to get you
again with fans. You need to get you only fans
back right away. I was gonna say, but what also
is cool about this Topeka Live is that a portion
of every thing that people purchase goes to this really
cool charity that helps families get out of poverty. So

(31:15):
it's like for everybody, that's really awesome. But you need
to get an only fans. Yeah, we want everyone's everyone
wants to see. Only fans will allow you to show
nudes and let let all your fans really enjoy all
of you. If you gotta show, if you gotta show
Sea gutters, if you gotta show Sea gutters, get you
only fans. All right, let's talk. Donald. Are you ready
with your summary? Josh, We're gonna let you sit in

(31:38):
because you're a VIP guest as we discussed the episode. Donald,
as you know from being discussed the episode, am I
allowed to talk? But yeah, of course we want your input. Okay, Okay, wait,
let me get my tire, I stop watch recent and
go Carlos keeping her last name. Turk's mold is alive.

(31:59):
Doctor Clock's blames Jay deep for the death of a patient,
and Elliott's Bunyan is nightmarish. This episode is a lot,
so it's hard to summarize in thirty seconds. Brendan Fraser
and Tara Reid are back, and all of our character
storylines blend together and intertwine. Other than the obvious, one
storyline really stood out for me. Who are we when

(32:22):
we show ourselves to the world? Are you your true self?
Or do you hide behind a persona? It's always a
pleasant surprise when you get a positive reaction from a
negative person. Kelso storyline really softens you up before the
big reveal at the end of the show. Yeah, that's true.
Forty six seconds for that one guy making the graph

(32:44):
every day of how long Donald is one guy can
lick my my my, But but he's not. It's not
a negative thing, Donald, he just is. He's just doing
an artful graph of help. Yeah, but the way you're
the way you're using him to criticize me makes me
want to tell him to eat a Yeah, you know

(33:05):
that's sometimes or a guy just making a graph. All right, listen,
it's a legendary episode, guys. I gotta say in in
my eight point five years on this show. This is
the one that people bring up most to me. I think, right, Donald,
would you say that I get this? I get this
one a lot in the musical episode, It's like it's
like the sixth sense? Is that the right? Yeah? I

(33:28):
think that Bill, that Bill has said that was an inspiration.
Obviously it is the because once you see it happen,
you get it automatically, like you see when it all
goes down. We are watching it now, watching it right,
watching it now. Therst time you watch it, you don't
necessarily pick up on it. I have to admit, I
don't think i'd never gone back. Like Donald and I

(33:49):
have said, we never we never really We'd occasionally watched
these when I don't know about you, but I would
watch them maybe when they aired, and then I eventually stopped,
and I obviously saw cuts of the ones I directed.
I would probably seed them all up until nine, but
I never saw them again. And so this one, now
watching knowing what you know about Ben is really interesting.
It's really fun to watch. I reckon if you're not
watching these as we go back, if this would be

(34:10):
the one to do it, because once you know the
Ben reveal, it's fun to watch it and knowing what
you know it really is because when it happens, you
automatically know exactly what JD's talking about. First of all,
JD's kind of like a real cavalier about time too.

(34:31):
But also I was gonna say that I didn't. I
had trouble with the fact that jds cavalier. Through the
rest of the episode, he's kind of like joking around
and meanwhile his heroes best friend just died and he
was at the helm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it so
that was that was really interesting to me. I was like, Wow,
that's a I know they have to throw a misdirect

(34:54):
into in there somehow. I guess this is the way
to do it, because if you're a if JD's affected
by this uh screw up, then we know that something
it's more than just you know, we think we'll think,
we'll know it's more than just the old guy that died.
It's it's got to be something bigger. It's really masterfully done.
Directed by Chris Kotch and written by Garret Donovan and

(35:15):
Neil Goldman. It's it's all the writing and direction are
pretty amazing. So let's go to the top. Yeah, this aired,
by the way, on February twenty fourth, two thousand and four. Wow,
just if you want to sixteen think about think about
your life sixteen years ago, sixteen years ago. What were
you doing in February twenty fourth, two thousand and four, listener,

(35:37):
The divorce was like in effect, like I was in
a we were we were in courtroom times. I was
this is like, this is like we are doing it
now this I had moved out by this point. My
film came out. Garden State came out in two thousand
and four after this, though, Yeah, it was I think
fall or or must have been octobersh or maybe the

(36:00):
summer was this. This was our biggest season two, right,
I think season two is the highest ranked. I don't know, Joel,
can you look that up for us? What was the
highest rank season? I believe I read on on scrubs Wiki,
by the way, Scrub's wiki. You guys know, I always
talk about it, but it's it's got a lot for
this episode. If you're into that sort of thing, if
you want to do a deep dive on interpretations of

(36:21):
all the every day of so many moments that I
don't even know if Bill thought of or Kneel and Garrett.
But there's like, why is that poster behind Ben? It
must mean that anyway, Mickhead more important than anything. Mickhead
has his first line, Donald thanks nurses Pinoza. Yeah, he
doesn't say, that's it, and then he walks away. That
was his audition. That was his audition pretty much. That

(36:42):
was like, can you deliver this line? Now? We know
the characters just come back from huff huffing paint rehab. Yeah,
from paint which she'll never do again, which she'll never
do again. Well, he looks pretty healthy, you know, he's
just back from huffing paint rehab. And then he and
and he's but he's he's pretty back to being a
doctor's He looks like he's all right. He says, thanks

(37:03):
to Nurse Espinoza. Pretty well. Does does people know? Do
people know that that's Mickhead yet? Have people put two
and two together? Like we know because we know Frank
and we know that he played Mickhead, right, But has
the audience put two and two together yet? Has the
audience said, oh, that's the Mickhead character. I don't know,
we talk about Mickhead. I don't know that they know

(37:25):
that that's Mickhead, that that's Mickhead. Because when I realized
that that was Mickhead, and I'm on the freaking show.
Right when I realized that was with Mickhead was when
he tried to kill his wife's later way later, adding
paint relapse. Something must have happened, right, God, huffing paint
is a joke, bizarre addiction. How did that happen? Who

(37:49):
was like, I'm gonna spray all this paint in this bag,
all right, We'll put it in this bag, and I'm
gonna try and breathe all of the paint in the
bag into my motherfucking knows, Yeah, and I'm gonna try.
I'm gonna breathe and breathe and breathe and breathe and breathe.
I'm gonna see what happens. But it's what motherfucker was
just sitting there like it's one thing to get you high,

(38:13):
but to be like, m let me go get some
fucking blue, right, I need more paint? All right? So
Joel just told us in the chat that season two
is the highest rated, followed by season three. So your
wife's not taking your name. Now, this happened in your
real life because your wife didn't take your name. Did
that upset you, Well, it was kind of like a

(38:34):
sabotage thing with me. So with this, she's telling him
way before the wedding, so there's like a cushion he
could He has an opportunity to be like, well, I
don't want to do this, or he can say you
know what, he can get over it and I will.
You know, I'm gonna go turking. We'll go through it
with my wife. We were at the courthouse signing the

(38:56):
license and I'm like, Donald Faison and her name is
gonna be Casey, and she goes cob oh shit. And
I was like and I was like, no, but this
is the marriage part. We're going Casey Phazon, this is
the courthouse, this is the time in the place. And
they're like, no, we're gonna she was like, she was
like cop. She's like, but what I will do is

(39:17):
I'll make it so that if I do decide to
change it, we don't have to go through all of
this legal legal paperwork and stuff like that. It's like
once it's like a one sign thing, and then she
can change her name, like to change your last name
after the marriage thing. It's like this whole big thing.
But if you sign, if you do a couple of
things while you're there, you can make it a little

(39:37):
bit less strenuous to change your last name. So she
dangled it. She dangled it in front of me to
keep me from saying, we'll fuck this shit. I'm not
want to get married in oh shit. She's like, no, no no, no, no, no, wait,
before we before you get all upset in all puffy chest,
here is what I'm going to do for you. There's
a possibility that i'll change it later. I'll make it

(39:59):
so that it's not a problem for me to do that. Okay, Well,
you know, h I complicated, right, No, I like that
old tradition. I understand why women are more of a
more over it like why you don't own me? Why
am I taking your fucking name? But I think that
there's I guess there's. It's one old school tradition I

(40:20):
really liked. But it's not it's not up to the
man anymore. It's very calm. I have quite a few friends,
as you know, I spend a lot of time in
Sweden over the last twelve thirteen years. And yeah, for sure,
from I know a lot of Swedish guys. There are
friends of mine that got married and took their wives names. Wow,

(40:41):
we heard them correctly, don't yea. So I'm just gonna
start calling me Donald cop Donald Cop. By the way,
I'm gonna call you Donald Cob from now on. Already
already got already got a white person's last name. I
don't need another white person. I feel like another white
person's last name name. Are you fucking kidding me? What

(41:05):
about That's that sounds African to you? What about Frankie Fair?
That just means we came from the same plantation, Joshua
Raydon Come on now, come on now, I don't know.
On now, they don't notice y'all don't know Wait hard
on now, how come they ain't no black Washington. How
come they no white Washington's? How come they know white Jefferson's.
You know a white Jefferson? You know a white person

(41:26):
with the last name Jefferson. I don't know a white
person with the last name Washington, white person. I know?
Why is that? Why is that? I don't know? Pason
could have been like a made up I didn't I
hear what you're saying. I know, I know what you're
saying about slaves taking their master's names. There's a phase
on North Carolina. Where do you think my ancestors parked

(41:49):
when they got when they got taken from Africa. I
didn't know that. I didn't know. There's a raid in Poland,
and I think that's where possibly my name comes from.
It is very possible that you are that one of
your Radinsky or Radinovich, you know something. I always imagine
my name was longer like Braftberg or Brafowitz or but
you could probably there probably is a town or something

(42:12):
like that. There is somewhere where your name originated. And
it's not necessarily a person. It's like the right, am
I correct me if I'm right? It sounds like about right. No,
Like all my grandparents have unfortunately passed away, so I
don't really have a great resource to find out where
my relatives are from. But I think it's probably Polish German,

(42:34):
like I I imagine, like you know, somebody like you know,
I'm making up a name, but somebody like Jason York
was from York in England back in the day, and
when having to describe himself, I'm Jason from York and
then he became Jason York, you know what I mean, Like,
I imagine that's how the shit probably happened. So all right,

(42:54):
well we learned that JD has a Piniona helmet. And
not only does he have a Pinona helmet, he had
his own SpongeBob SquarePants costume, which he says was a
gift from me to me. Yes, yes, can I Why
does JD have? How many times has JD been hitting
the head? He is a helmet that's specifically for pinata parties, Yeah,

(43:21):
because he that one. There was that one time or
several or maybe twice and he's like, you know what,
I gotta get my bona helmet. So so here's an
interesting Ben is back. He's not treating He's not treating
his cancer. As we told you last time Brendan was on.

(43:44):
He was actually he is a super big photographer and
had all sorts of really cool cameras and this one
for those camera geeks out there, He's got a polaroid
back on a on a Holga, which is something I
hadn't even ever seen before. I had to google that
it was a real thing. But Holga is a very
cheap plastic camera that people love because if you put

(44:04):
film in it, it takes really cool interesting it has
a plastic lens. It's really cheap. And then he put
a polaroid back on it, which you alaber. Yeah, I
get the moments because people know I love cameras and
they're not that expensive. It's a great gift. Yeah, I
didn't have any money, and I know you're like cameras. Yeah,
I got like forty holgas. If you want one, I'll
give you one back for Hank. It's kidding. And then

(44:27):
so the polaroid back is is it? I don't know.
I've never seen it, and then I googled. Yeah, but
they don't even make that film anymore unfortunately anywhere. That's
just a moment for the camera geeks. And anyway, my
point is is that later on Ben says I'll take
pictures until the day I die. Wow, And then the
second he first appears and as a hallucination, he no

(44:48):
longer has the camera ever again at all at all. Wow.
I didn't until you said that. I didn't even I
didn't put that together. I got that from Scrubs wiki.
I have to there's a few things that were cool
that I didn't even know, and that that was one
of them. This is some sixth cent shit, I'm telling you, man. Yeah, well,
the obvious thing is that no one, no one sees
Ben other than Cox because once he's dead, And when

(45:14):
you go back and watch, it's really clever. How how
Chris Cotch directed all of that. It's very very well done.
There's a whole interaction with Sarah where he's pretending to
be a public mass. Amazing physical comedy by both him
and Sarah. And then when she walks away and he's
still holding onto the string, imaginary string and he falls
off of the counter amazing physical comedy by Brendan Fraser. Yeah.

(45:35):
Brendan was so good in this episode, so good, so good.
He's just so freaking charming. That guy he is, he
is and and and I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest
with you. The doctor Kelso storyline is so important for
this episode. It's so important because it's the hard, this
hard character who softens at the end, right, And when

(45:58):
he softens, that's when we as an audience also are
let in on the big reveal that Ben's Ben's dead
and he's been dead for a while, and that I
personally feel like I don't think that would be as
impactful if you don't see a journey throughout the show,

(46:21):
because there is no journey throughout the show in this
other you know what I mean, there's no journey. Ben's
there in the beginning and he's dead. There's no journey
for Cox Cox. There's nothing for Cox really to accept
other than the fact that his that his best friend's
dead and everything. There's no journey for him. There's no
journey for jd. There's no journey for anyway. The only
person that has a journey in this is Kelso and

(46:41):
his Kelso, and Kelso's journey is so important that it's
it has to land at the end for Ben's death
to be even more impactful. You know what I mean?
I do is it the first time Kelso's shown any
heart at all? Because there's a moment in the closet
where Judy says it's been a hard week. Now. The

(47:03):
audience first time through assumes that's solely because she's arguing
with you about stuff. They don't realize that she's also
processing this death. And then then we know Kelso also
is processing this friends with Ben, but you know he
shows he I mean to me it was the first
time he showed real humanity at all. Right, And it's
so important for this, for this moment to land at

(47:25):
the end, because now he softened everybody up, He's given
everybody the he's he's made it, so everybody is a
relaxed Oh, this is a great ending for scrubs where
I feel fuzzy inside. And so then when you get
punched in the gut that we're at the we're at
a funeral at the end, and Josh's song starts to play,

(47:48):
it's even more impactful. But it's because of Ken's storyline.
It's because of Kelso's storyline and how well he plays
it at the end, the end, the closet with Carla,
it's so so I wanted to mention that Randall Winston's
credit comes up at the exact moment that Leonard the
security guard is mentioned. Wow, so someone cleverly timed it.

(48:12):
So just as we're talking about Leonard the security guard
and his afro and his hook hand, Randall's credit comes up.
Because have you ever done that? What timed it? So
when your name comes up a specific no usually key
or music key or a you know whatever, a music
note or whatever, whatever well I'm going in style was

(48:33):
the first time a first feature I directed that had
the full hundred piece orchestra score. So I think when
my card comes at the end, directed by I made
sure that there was a hundred piece orchestra flourish because
like in some movies. In some movies, like you'll see
like in Eddie Murphy movies are great for it, Like

(48:53):
the beginning of The Golden Child, there's all of this
montage stuff and then when Eddie Murphy shows up, you
see Eddie Murphy, like he turns to camera just like
a sitcom damn Near and he had the big smile
on his face, and it's like Eddie Murphy the Golden Ship,
you know what I mean. Like I wonder. I wonder,
like even even when directors or well music people, when
they when their title card comes up, do they put

(49:15):
a little spruce in it? Maybe, you know, maybe subliminate.
The credits are added so much later after you've locked
and and there's and there's a there's an order that
everyone has to go and just per contracts, So it
would be pretty tricky to do it after the fact
unless you planned on doing it. I don't mean I
don't mean to imply that they cut this to Randall's picture.

(49:36):
I just mean it probably was close, and then it
was kind of like, you know, if we fledget a
few seconds, it'll because in the beginning of scrubs, for
those of you never I mean, I don't think we've
ever discussed this. They have to do all these opening
credits because you know, I mean, that's that's just part
of the rules, the contracts, the guild rules and everything,
and they can be distracting. So there's times when they'll

(49:57):
pause them for a few seconds if a joke is
playing out to not upstage the joke, and then they'll
bring them back in and it's just very subtle. The
audience wouldn't really notice it. So I'm just saying they
may have fudged it a little bit, so it timed
out perfectly. As he's mentioned, Carla hates Turk's mole his
tickle button. Yeah, I imagine that's a lot of people's

(50:18):
first reaction. I remember one time I was at my
best friend's house we were kids, and her dad kept
looking at me like really weird, like staring really hard
at my face, and I kept looking back at him like, hey,
is everything okay? And he kept staring so hard, and

(50:39):
finally he was like, I'm sorry, man, but what the
fuck is that on your face? Oh? My god? And
I was like what He was like, what the fuck
is that on your face? You got some shit on
your face? What a dick? He thought was food or something.
He thought I had like doo doo oh on my lip.

(51:02):
It feels a little bad. I want to hug a
baby dude, who live donald? I laughed so hard at
that moment. Oh, really, you weren't upset. I would have
been upset. No, I was old enough. I was like sixteen.
It was that embarrassed. Later it was like, it was like, dude,
what do you You've known me my whole life and
you don't You've never noticed this before. He's known me

(51:25):
before puberty. He knew me before everything, and he never
noticed that I had a mole off. It's embarrassing, though, though,
don't you think, like, were you always awkward around that guy?
From then on, I would feel so like cringey. No,
not at all. Man. When I arrived in Northwestern, I
had just done Manhattan Murder Mystery one scene. As I
think I mentioned before, I was Woody Allen. Yeah, I
was their son, and this kid I was always a

(51:48):
good friend of mine. I really liked him. And we
were walking and he's and we start talking about manhatt
murder mystery, and he said, supposedly that kid who plays
the son goes to school here, and I kind of chuckled,
and he went, I didn't really think he was that
good though, And it was clear he hadn't seen the movie. Dude.
I thought he was doing a bit, but he wasn't,

(52:11):
and it told we weren't really able to ever recover. Yeah,
but it was. It was clearly, dude, he hadn't seen
the movie though. No, I think he'd seen the movie.
There's no way he'd seen the movie and not recognized you,
though I don't. I just don't. Maybe I didn't have
the same haircut and he just didn't put two. Dude,
I'm telling you. It was so cringing and awkward that
our friendship died a quick death. Oh, dude, that's nothing.

(52:33):
I remember sitting in a movie theater freaking behind two
ladies watching Wait and Exhale, and there throughout the movie
talking about how much they love the movie. Oh, this
is such a great movie. I'm quiet behind them, just
enjoying the ride with them and everything like that, laughing
when they're laughing, and then I come on screen and
my scene's over and they go, yeah, I don't like him.

(52:53):
Though the movie's good, he is not. And I remember
being like, oh, and that's when you just fade right back,
and that's like real time trolling, real time trolling, right
in my face. It happened in my Oh my god.
All right. On that note, we're gonna go to break
and we come back. We're gonna have a guest who,
hopefully we'll have questions for Josh Raiding, will be right

(53:13):
back after these fine ones, and we're bae. Bring him in, Donald,
I mean, bring him in, Daniel, no problem, Josh, you're excited.
It's your first guest caller on the Scrubs Rewatch program.

(53:35):
Lena is joining Lena. Lena. Ladies and gentlemen, give it
up for Lena. Lena, Lena, Lena. Everybody rad that's the
Joshua Radon Lena. Hi, Hi, Lena, Welcome to the program.
That's Donald, Phazon, Joel, Monique, Joshua, Raydon, Daniel's and a

(53:57):
broken camera. Lena. If you're ever in the market for
a webcam. Do not buy the Imaging Edge webcam. It
doesn't work. Apparently the Imaging Edge webcam is really expensive. Yeah,
but it doesn't Ever if I would, if I had
the time, I would go on Amazon and give it
one star. Well, my webcam was about forty nine dollars
and it's doing great. Well, maybe I do send good. Yeah,

(54:19):
you look great. Do you notice how Lena we're able
to see you. Yeah, Daniel's webcam didn't come with that feature.
Oh and hear that, Daniel. Yeah, you guys need merch webcams. Yeah,
you have every merch thing that is known to man.

(54:40):
We're gonna sell fake Doctor's Real Friends webcams, but they're
not coming with them, not gonna We're not going to
source them from Imaging EdgeCAM Edge web I I'm still
trying to get my hands on the onesie, so I
have to wait on the webcam when restock to Joel,
do you know I'm working on that. But I'll give
you guys an update. No idea we had. We we

(55:01):
kind of thought it would be funny. We thought we
ordered six hundred because we were like, there's a lot
of people listening to this all over the world. Maybe
maybe we'll sell six hundred eventually, and and that won't
be too many to order. And they were gone in
twenty four hours, all of them. Yes, I can't even
get one for my for my for my family, my wife.
The seame of it is, we have a PJA day

(55:22):
coming up at work? And where do you work? Where
do you work? I'm a nurse. Oh shit, it got real.
It just got interesting. Where where you working at? Yeah?
So I'm working for the largest healthcare organization in western Pennsylvania,
So anyone from Pittsburgh will know exactly who I'm talking about.

(55:46):
That's where I work. Oh, so you're going to be
one of the first to get the vaccine. So I'm
in home care. So the vaccine will go to the
acute care staff first in the hospital. That started yesterday
and actually my organization was the first to give it,
and then home care will be the second round. Okay,
so February, I hope, sooner than that. They're sitting by

(56:09):
the end of January. Okay. Yeah, when you stay at
home care, do you mean you care for people in
their homes? Correct, So we take care of people who
either came out of the hospital. So are COVID patients
who come out of the hospital. Really they're really deconditioned,
so they really take more therapy than nurses. But what's
also happening is that we are so understaffed in the hospitals, understaffed.

(56:32):
In home care, we're running out of beds, so unfortunately,
they're having to send patients home from the hospital faster
than they should. So in home care, we're now taking
care of people with central lines, chess tubes, chemo, and
so we've become an extension of acute care. And so
we're taking care of people trying to keep them out
of the hospital so that hospital beds are open for

(56:53):
the patients who really need it. So you're providing care
at how in the home? Yeah, how do you? How
do you staff a team large enough to take care
of all of the people that you're sourcing now out
of the hospital because they're running out, Well, they have

(57:15):
to stretch it some way. How are you stretching it
right now? So it's funny that you ask that, Donald,
And if I really figure out the right way to
do it, I'm going to write a book and I'm
going to be a trillionaire. And then I won't have
to be a nurse anymore. But here's what we're doing.
So I'm a supervisor. I actually am in the office
money through Friday, making sure that the nurses get the

(57:36):
ppe they need, that all of the patients who need
to be covered are covered. If we have to prioritize.
I'm the one who's picking who gets seen and who
doesn't get seen. So I'm also coordinating with the hospitals
to say, no, we're not taking anymore. You need to
find another home care. It's not a safe discharge. You
need to keep them. So then on the weekends, I'm
going out and seeing patients. So we're all just doing

(57:57):
the best that we can. And it's scary because our
pacient list is growing and our staff list is shrinking. Yeah,
I was seeing something today in LA that there there
there are people that are waiting in ambulances because there's
just there's no beds and LA is running out of
ICU beds, so they had people. There was something I read,

(58:18):
I think it was on Deadline about how they're literally
just the ambulances are pulling up and just holding people
because they just think there's a backlog. What are you
guys doing there. So I'm in Pittsburgh and we locked
down Saturday morning. We went back on lockdown, and they
were saying, don't have a stroke or a heart attack
in Pittsburgh because there's no ICU beds left, and that's

(58:40):
a really scary thought. So in home care, what we
are doing to help is if we can keep them
out of the hospital, we are so if that means
that we get telehealth, or we get a social worker,
or we get family involved, we're trying to critically think
and keep them out of the hospital. But at the
same time, I went about three weeks ago, patient was
discharged from the hospittle Friday night. I went in Saturday morning,

(59:02):
and I sent them right back to the hospital. So
it's just knowing what can I handle in the home,
what do I need to send back to the hospital.
It's getting the doctors on the phone and trying to
think and talk and figure out what we can do.
Because in home care, you're you're in the living room.
There's no X rays, there's no blood work, there's no
doctor that I can grab and say, hey, what do
you think? It's just a nurse standing in a living room.

(59:24):
So we're doing the best we can with the resources
we have. Our health system is huge. They have their
own insurance, they have their own long term care facilities.
So we're trying to think out, can we just get
this patient on telehealth and open them, open up a
nurse for another visit. Is this somebody who just needs
to go back to the hospital as much as I
hate to do that, So we're just doing the best
we can. We're critically thinking trying to get the patients

(59:46):
who can stay out of the hospital what they need,
and then get the patients who need to be in
the hospital into the hospital. Thank you so much for
what you're doing. And if you could, let's say you're
in a position like you are right now, where you
you speak to thousands and thousands and thousands of people
across the world, what would you tell them in terms

(01:00:08):
of from your point of view, what's the best thing
they could be doing to keep themselves healthy. Oh my gosh,
I might actually start crying right now because an opportunity
that every nurse wishes they could have right now. Wear
your masks, even if you think it's stupid and it
doesn't work, What if there's a one percent chance that

(01:00:32):
you could protect your parents or your children or the neighbor.
If there's a one percent chance that we are all
right and you should wear your mask, then why risk it?
So wear the mask. Only go out when you have to.
If you do have to go out, be really smart
about it, Like I said, use that critical thinking and say, okay,
what can I outsource what? What? Maybe I can ask
my neighbors what they need and just one person can

(01:00:54):
make the trip the healthiest of us. I understand it's Christmas.
I understand it, Tonic, I understand it's eed. I understand
that all of these beautiful holidays are happening and that
you want to be with your families. But this is
It's not a normal year. And the best gift that
you can give to the world right now, including your
own family, is to stay home if you can. And

(01:01:17):
if you can't be smart about it, be really smart
and really think it through. And if you don't believe it,
but there's a one percent chance we're all right, then
why risk it? Yeah? Beautifully said? Beautifully said, and right
from from someone on the front lines. I mean, you
guys all hear me and Donald talk about it, because

(01:01:38):
we lost a friend and Josh lost a friend as well.
But but I think people are just used to hearing
it now and they roll their eyes. So to hear
it from from a nurse who is on the front
lines and seeing it day in and day out, I
really appreciate that. All right, any questions, I feel silly
to segue to this because you have a question. We
anything scrubs related anything, Josh. Yeah, So if I have

(01:02:02):
the opportunity for too, I'm gonna ask a scrubs question
and then I'm gonna ask a non scrubs questions. Okay, Oh,
that's okay, Josh. Josh is just happy to be here.
He's happy to be eavesdropping. Wait, if you know any
nice women I found like a Jewish mother, if you
know any nice women in the LA area. He's wonderful,
he paints, he sings, Pittsburg. I'm available. Oh Josh, you

(01:02:28):
got a beautiful nurse right here for you. But I
don't think I was crazy, though, Yeah, I was a
crazy And also I just don't think Pittsburgh is going
to be where Josh plants his roots. But listen, and
I understand, but I don't. I'd be lucky to have you.
Thank you. He's also a charmer Lena and nurses. Being

(01:02:48):
with the nurse is one of those things that you
hope you never need, but then if you suddenly do,
you're so glad they're there. I would I think that's
great to be with a nurse because you can because
I'm always like, what's this thing? What is this? Is this?
Am I gonna die from this? Josh and I am
the same doctor and we am and he's retiring actually,
But the thing I loved about him is like, if
I howked up a lugie, I could send him a

(01:03:09):
text of it and I'd be like joining antibiotics and
he'd be like, yes, and that's gross. Yep. I get
pictures you can't imagine, you know, some people worry about like, oh,
there's going to be a dick pick. I can't like
about to say, gettures pops up on my phone? What
I get texted? Oh my god, we were talking about

(01:03:30):
Joel getting lots of inappropriate pictures. All right, what's your question?
Go ahead? Oh my god? Are you talking about online
dating Joel? Yeah, I've gotten Yeah, I would like to
discuss this. Okay, let's be let's be respectful and tactful.
She's a she's a classy woman. Absolutely, which apple you want?

(01:03:53):
Is it the tender that you're getting? All these in
I tried to do it right, and I went like
from match dot com, I pay the money and everything,
and you you upload pictures, you describe yourself, and you
put this nice little narrative like, listen, I'm very busy.
If you need a lot of attention, don't bother to
talk to me. This is what I'm looking for. And

(01:04:14):
then just the DM start and there will be things
out of like I had one that just said, I
bet you taste great scary screechy violins on that cow.
I don't know if I could. I don't know if
I could do that. I don't know if I met
I think, don't you when you hear tales about how

(01:04:34):
gross fucking men are, don't you? Aren't you? Just like
I'm just always so, I mean, I know about this,
but we men don't get sent I don't get I
don't I don't want and and and please don't start,
Please don't don't want to hear these But when I
hear these tales, I don't. I just can't believe how
fucking gross men back dick picks aren't even the most shocking.

(01:04:56):
That's not the it's the stuff they say to you.
I don't get any of that stuff. Like I go
through my dms like looking for the ship, like let
you see. No, I don't want to dick pick. I
want to see what my fans are saying to me.
So sometimes i'll scroll through it and it'll be some
of the stuff I'm like, oh god, that's heart wrenching.

(01:05:16):
Oh my god, I shouldn't have opened this. Why did
I open this? And then some of it, it's like
some of it's like yo, man, fuck you man, Yo,
your your your podcast is shit. Man. All y'all do
is talk about shit on the right and on you
for you like you shit on the left. Y'all know
you know you need to be newscast train right. I'll

(01:05:36):
get I get a lot of that with the red
siren emoji. I'll tell you to make a nurse blush.
You have to you gotta really, you gotta really put
it out there. And some of the messages I've gotten
have made me blush. I have yet to get one
of those messages. I'm very happy that I've yet to
get one of those messages. I'm just having yet to
get one of those messages. The real question is, well,
not there's many questions I have about this, but when

(01:05:59):
you're asking how crazy men are, which is totally true,
it's it's insane. But I have female friends that have
told me things like that before, have stories like that,
and all these inappropriate messages, and you're like, my first
thought was, okay, so you're a guy who goes on
a match dot com and sends these inappropriate pictures or

(01:06:19):
messages wherever, Like, is there are you sending those to
like one hundred women hoping it one time it works?
There's it has to be this. It has to be that.
It's like fishing. They're they're hoping that they can't one.
But I'm saying, like, if it's let's say it's one
out of five hundred, woman actually responds like are you won?
You won? We spoke about this earlier, that one women

(01:06:41):
woman is ruining for every other woman every especially if
it happens like in the first week or the first
you know a couple of times you try it where
you're like, here's a dick pick and you get the
response like, wow, I can't I know if that would
have happened to any they'd be like, I'm doing this
for the rest of the night. You watched that that

(01:07:05):
last Amy Schumer stand up special. But she had a
great She had great advice for women who get dick pics.
And she said, if you get a dick pic, send
back a picture of a bigger dick. When he when
he responds, what's this, you just go, oh, sorry, I
just thought we were sending pictures of cool dicks. I

(01:07:28):
don't think. I don't think. When you get a text,
you have time to think of the response. You don't
have to be really clever, really fast. So it gives
you the opportunity with to come up with something great.
So I had a guy, and feel free to censor
this if you'd like to. But I don't say his name.
We don't want a sense or anything. I don't I
don't remember his name, one of a thousand who. I

(01:07:51):
opened it up and it said when's the last time
you got ben over and made come hard? Oh? And
it was all misspelled, which is super hot. And so
I respond to ask your brother. I think he wrote
down the date. Wow, Okay, it gives you time, like
I got it. I to have some coffee, think about it.
How do I want to respond to that? All right?

(01:08:11):
As fun as that is, Lena, I don't know that
you shouldn't. I mean, if I wouldn't engage, not to
be paternal. I don't think you should engage because they
can be scared. Okay, Oh yeah, I was about to say,
you gotta I'm gonna say, Lena, you're such a You're
a nurse, You're a very beautiful woman. I feel like, Joel,
we could if you want, we could put your well,
I don't know if that's going to encourage it. I'm

(01:08:31):
trying to if you're in the Pittsburgh area, how can
what do we do? We can put your Instagram on
our show notes or something you can that's gonna I'm
trying to help everybody calm down, isn't We're not We're
not even that fixed your life yet. We haven't even
gotten The show is gonna be so fucking long. But
I just wanted to say, Lena, I don't want to

(01:08:52):
encourage that behavior, but gosh, I wish I could set
you up with someone. Oh no, that's fine. I'm so
busy right now. Okay, you're busy business. What's your question?
Can handling COVID man have some romance. Everyone's got time
for the a little bit of romance. All right, go ahead, Lena, Sorry,
what's your question? So my question is for Zack and Donald.

(01:09:13):
So let's say that somebody says, I want to make
a movie about the making of Scrubs, how it came
to fruition, behind the scenes. What young actors now are
playing YouTube in your mid twenties. Oh wow, good question,
great question. Well, I would play myself, obviously, I mean black,

(01:09:35):
don't crack, you know. Yeah, so I think Ben Platt
would play me. Oh that's a good answer because I
like so it would be me and Ben Platt pretty much.
Yea and more musical episodes two. Ben Platt has a
beautiful voice, so I would sound even better when I
sang and and I think he does. I saw him

(01:09:57):
and Jeremon Hanson and he and obviously he's playing a
a very different character. But but there were a lot
of JDI isms that I liked and saw and respected.
I think he's very talented. Donald's come out a kid,
the kid from Stranger Things. Man, that's my dude. Okay, Yeah,
although he's a teenager, you need to be he's getting

(01:10:18):
he's getting he's almost eighteen. Man, boy got mustache and everything.
Now he's growing up. Okay, he's getting taught. There you go.
There is your scrubs behind the scenes movie cast right there.
All right, what's your next question? You said you had
another one. Yeah, so I'm actually working on my doctorate
and nursing. Sorry, Joel, this is not the question I
told you, but I promise it's pc. Okay, you were

(01:10:39):
on your doctor and nursing. That's so awesome. Do not
apologize to me. And you don't have to love. You
don't have to censor yourself. You know we liked anything inappropriate.
I'm my doctorate project is on decreasing the stress in
our frontline managers, so the managers who are between the
patient care staff and the executive managements. So these are

(01:11:00):
our frontline managers. So my question for all of you,
especially right now, is what are you guys doing to
decrease your stress? Drinking lots of pino noir, going outside.
I like going. I broke my toe. I was if
you listen to podcast, you know I was cycling a lot.

(01:11:22):
The peloton was a great source of leaving stress for me.
I broke my toe. So I'm a little on time
out with exercise cardio. But I've been going to the
dog park. We have a big dog park near us,
and I love I get endorphins when I go and
watch my dogs print around the dog park, and I
don't know those are and those are my first ones

(01:11:44):
that come to mind. What about you, Josh, We know
that you're you're hiking. Hiking. Yeah, I like walking around
in nature as much as I can and reading and
you know, just just getting through it, basically getting through it.
Lost Donald, What happened to Donald? It's like your question
dropped out, Daniel will deal with that. Joel, Joel, what

(01:12:07):
is your answer to the question? It was like doing
Christmas things. It's like, which sounds crazy, but like you
have to go all over the place, and like it
was like researching with a friend and then like calling
shops to see how we could do it safely and
is like in the spirit of giving back, And it
was like it was a great way to like both

(01:12:28):
like physically get myself out of the house because I
you know, I'm an anxious person. I have ah D
and it like going outside a pre pandemic. Well, like
I have social anxiety post pandemic, being inside so much
now it's like just going to my friend's house is
like four or five times much higher. I'm so anxious.

(01:12:49):
So having like a goal something to do, a partner
that I know has been safe throughout this whole thing
to go do it with it's been like the greatest
dress reliever. And then now I get to send people
packages and they were going to open them on Zoom,
and there's a whole like giving back like aspect of
it that I'm just really excited to participate in. So
Christmas season for the wind, I agree that, you know,

(01:13:12):
there is I am having a lot of fun buying
presents for people and and and then we took a lot.
We had a lot of joy in decorating the house
and getting I've never done a real full out Christmas
because I'm Jewish, or at least I'm not. I'm secular,
but you know, we just never did it. And yeah,
congrats on your Christmas tree. Yeah we went all out.
We went all out, and uh, it's it's fun. I'm

(01:13:33):
having that is, you know, decorating the house and making
it all super cozy has been has been a source
of joy how's it going with Donald there, Daniel? He
has not responded, well, Daniel, what do you do to distress?
What do I do to destress? You know, I am
a big fan of electronic music. I really like biking,

(01:13:54):
riding my bicycle, and so there are times usually after work,
usually laid at night, I would say around ten pm.
I have a very flat neighborhood, and so it's also
very quiet at night, not a lot of cars. So
I'll throw it in my helmet, throw on some headphones,
turn the light onto my bike, and I will just
do laps around my neighborhood, blasting drum and bass in

(01:14:15):
my ears and just going as hard as possible and
letting the music just like plow through me like I'm
in an action film. I always feel like I'm being
chased by like the bad guys in the Matrix. Whenever
I'm like biking around my neighborhood just listening to super
super fast electronic music. I come home. I'm exhausted, I've
sweat dripping all over me, and I just feel, you know,

(01:14:38):
alive and released and just like loose and it's it
feels great. It feels great. I would think that that
would I mean, that sounds awesome, but I would think
that would amp you all up. You'd come home like
all like, there's definitely a degree. It's also I really
try to do that when I am really trying to
get rid of stress. So I'm already kind of tensed

(01:14:59):
up and ready to go and working it out. Yes,
gets my heart rate going, but also it just helps
me release that stress. So while there's still like a
worked up heart rate and stuff, there's a much more
turned down mental state that's like, Okay, we are released
from this, we are done, and now we can just
move on with the night and go take a hot
shower and you know, have a glass of something and

(01:15:20):
go to bed. Yeah, how about you, Lena, what do
you do? You? Cut? You? I mean you you're writing
this dissertation, right, is that what it is? So when
you're a nurse, you're it's called a scholarly project and
it actually lasts the entire five semesters of doctor at school.

(01:15:41):
So I've just completed my first semester. So all I've
had to do at this point is just come up
with the idea and turn that in and say this
is the background of why this is a problem in nursing.
I haven't got to the actual like getting it approved
or putting together the actual study design, and I think
and then actually having the experiment I think will be

(01:16:03):
the really stressful part. But so for now, the stressful
part is So I'm a I'm a mom, I'm a
full time doctorate student, and i'm a single mom of
I'm sorry, I'm a nurse. I'm a doctorate student, and
i'm a single mom of two active teenage girls. A
lot on your plate. So I'm busy, and so you know,

(01:16:24):
I'm sorry, sorry, sorry to interrupt you, Daniel, he's waiting
to be let back in Donald. There we go, Oh,
there he is, right, Stop talking about him, Stop talking
about him. Hearing you what happened? Not a good signal

(01:16:45):
in that closet. Yeah, I can't tell you what I
do to relieve stress. That's all that's my business. She's
a nurse, and it's very healthy, right, but it's normal.

(01:17:07):
It's normal, right, it's normal. Right, it's normal though, right,
it is normal, Lena is not It is probably abnormal
for a forty six year old man to have the
libido of a sixteen year old, right, No, no, yeah,
she's shaking her head. You're normal, that's a normal. Yeah,

(01:17:28):
that's what I told you. I told you and my
wife that shit. But nobody wanted to listen to me, Lena.
Nobody wanted to listen to me. Everybody is like, no,
there's something wrong with you. There's something wrong with you,
and there's something wrong with your insides, and you need
to see therapy. You need to see therapy. You need
to go talk to somebody about your freaking libido. Well,

(01:17:52):
maybe Lena can. Maybe Lena can give you a note
for Casey that says this is perfect prescription to Yeah,
all right, let me go get a hold on No no, no,
no, no no, no, no, no, no no no, come on.
All right, let's talk about fix your life. I don't
know if we can fix your life, but if there's
any way we can, you missed donald. She's got two

(01:18:14):
teenage daughters in addition and as a single mom in
addition to being a nurse. So she's got a lot
of doctor student. Yeah, kin, a doctor, you got a
lot on your plate there, right, How can we fix
your So this is I just want your advice. This
is what I really need from you guys, because you

(01:18:35):
are artists and you understand what this is like. Being
a nurse was never my dream. I actually went to
college from musical theater and then got pregnant, had to
get a real job with health insurance, went to nursing school,
probably because of scrubs. I'm not gonna lie the times
up and uh now I'm I'm a mom and I'm

(01:18:57):
a nurse. And so I did a lot of community theater,
and then that wasn't an option anymore because I was
too busy. So what I did was I sat down
and wrote a book. I wrote a fiction. I sort
of just wrote my own fantasy world that I got
to escape into since I couldn't be an actress anymore.
And I felt really good about it. I was really

(01:19:19):
passionate about it. I was very excited. And then eighteen
rejections later from agents, I had somebody who said, I'll
take a look at it, but you have to cut
out roughly forty thousand words. So I said, I don't.
I don't want to do that. I have all these
people who have read it, they love it. I've read it,

(01:19:40):
I've edited it. I don't want to take any more
out of it. I'm going to self publish, right So
I got the website, I got the TikTok, I got
seventy five hundred followers on TikTok, I put a little
teaser about the book. Everyone seemed excited, and then I
really started looking at self published, and I thought, if

(01:20:02):
I really want to do this, I need to get
a kickstarter, but I don't have the time. I don't
We're gonna be your grit kickstarter because we're gonna look
your website, what's the name of the book, and how
do people find out about the book? So I guess
my question was do I go for it or do
I shelve it? But it sounds like you're saying just

(01:20:22):
go for it. This is a place where dreams come truly.
We shit, we tip pig, we pick up, we go
to the store, we go to Staples, we get white boards,
we get erasable markers, okay, and we take those markers
to set board and and we write down our dreams

(01:20:44):
and goals. Why do you have like a why do
you sound like a preachro something? I like it because
I'm trying to get Lena there. She needs to get
up off her ass, go to the white bull and
pick up erase a pin to the b and right
down to wants to self publish our own book. Write

(01:21:04):
it down, all right, reverend, Reverend, Reverend, there's so many
babies on latching right now, so many babies aren't eating
right now. But I'm super excited. All right, Well, Donald's right.
We we really believe that you can manifest. We're big
believers in manifesting from the white board. It sounds like
it's already on your white board and you're about to
get the biggest plug you you could ever get. Which

(01:21:25):
is so funny you say that, Zack, because the way
that I got on this podcast is that I'm a
witch and I wrote a spell and I did a
spell to get on this podcast. That a big That
was a big right angle turn. By the way, much
like much like this episode, there's a reveal at the
end of the Caller, She's a witch. I didn't want

(01:21:47):
to ruin Joel's big, big twist, but yeah, I'm a witch,
and that's how I got myself on here. And so
just like you said, Zach, I wanted to manifest this happening.
Are you serious? Are you really a witch? Because some
people really are and really, which so that's my alt
right behind me with your whiteboard right above it. Okay,
so I'm not I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to.

(01:22:09):
I'm not trying to make jokes or anything like. No,
don't make jokes because I'm not religion. How do you
how do you practice and science at the same time.
How are you able to do? Donald? That's such a
good question, very good question. Donal. Weed must be wearing off.
It's such a good question. So no, the weed is
kicking it. You thought that you thought I took a
break because the computer went down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

(01:22:30):
need to go smoke some reeds. So yeah, something tells
me you dropped out of the zoom it right right
around the time when you needed a fucking it. I
dropped out right around four twenty. That's dropped out. Yeah
all right, So Lena, we can't go down a giant
witchcraft world. But Donald, that's a great question. How do
you reconcile spells and science? So the human body is
made up of energy and electricity, so is everything around us.

(01:22:54):
And if you go all the way back to the
pagan belief, back back, back back back, their belief was
very much about manipulating the energy that is around us,
that all the energy is. We're all connected, all of us,
and they believed in honoring that. So if you very quickly,
to make this super super quick, if you look at

(01:23:15):
the rivers of chi that are drawn out by the
Chinese back back back back, it actually lines up with
the nervous system. So way way back before we even
had science, people knew that there was something greater than
all of us, that we were all connected, that by
caring for the earth, we were caring for ourselves. For

(01:23:35):
caring for each other, we're caring for ourselves. And so
I think there is a room for Western medicine and
Eastern medicine. If you want to manifest something in your life,
ZAC you actually save us a lot on the podcast.
You have more magical thinking than you probably realize. But
if you want to manifest things, you're manipulating the energy
around you and you're creating it to happen. However, if

(01:23:57):
somebody in front of you goes into respiratory, just dress
and drops. You don't want to burn incense. You want
to care for them. And that's that we were lucky
that we were able to understand Western medicine but still
hold on the Eastern medicine. So I do believe that
there is a place for both things. But I do
think that when it comes to things like creating what

(01:24:19):
you want in life, that there is a way to
honor that and honor the things around you. And I
think that my job is a nurse honors all of
the people out in this world. It cares for life,
and because of that, I get a lot of abundance
back in return. I'm very lucky in that sense. But
I do think that there's room for everything. I think
that all of us can be in harmony, and that

(01:24:39):
includes Western and Eastern, so that includes magical thinking as
well as science. If that makes sense. Yeah, I mean sorry,
it was really quick. It wasn't It makes a lot
of sense. It's like, you know, it's believing in religion
and also believing that science it can exist with religion

(01:25:00):
as well, and I totally get it, absolutely absolutely so.
If you're sitting at the bedside of somebody who's dying,
of course you're going to pray for them, but you're
also going to want the doctor to do everything they
can to try and keep that person alive. And that's
where I really try to honor both things. Well, we
hear that, We hear you, and we respect you, and
we respect all religions and belief systems. So wait, so

(01:25:23):
tell everyone how to do you do you got a cat?
I just want to know. Do you have a cat?
I do? Is it a black cat? No? You are right?
And its name is Sebastian? All right? And the interest
of and the interest of episode line? Alright, how do
we how do we are out of time of Lena?

(01:25:44):
But tell us how to find your book? Tell everyone
how to find your books. Yeah, so if you want
to find my TikTok, I'm all nurse all the time.
All my information is on there. And my website is
uh Lena l E n A NASSERI and a z
as in zebra a r ei dot com and you
can find all the information on there. And I guess
I'm gonna make a kickstarter, so watch for it. What's

(01:26:06):
the title of the book. But what's the title of
the bight Shift. It's about a night shift nurse who
becomes a vampire night shift. That's well, you know, you
know how we do because we got a little story
that we like to talk about about a doctor who
becomes a vampire. And his name is doctor Acula. Nice Donald,
you like it. There's a lot of sex in the book.
It's very sexy. There's a lot of what sex, sex

(01:26:30):
sex Donald could use it. Wait, hold on, I'm sorry, Lena,
I think you have me confused for someone else. Oh sorry,
apologize I I I can't even continue this with a
straight face. All right, I'm very interesting. You've been an
awesome guest. Thank you for being a frontline worker and
for all that you're doing, and and please stay safe,

(01:26:53):
and thank you for coming on. You're an awesome guest.
Thank you, thank you, very thank you to be Well,
let's take a break. We'll be right back after these
fine words. There were so many chapters to that call.

(01:27:17):
That was a big that was that was truly. I mean,
she's Joel. Did you know she was going to drop
the witch bomb at the end? Hell? Yeah, Why do
you think I picked her? I was, sister, let's do it?
You were? You were? You were probably like, what's she
gonna start talking about the witches? Which I was worried.
I wasn't gonna get in there. Well, she had a
lot to say, and she's very interesting. But I thought

(01:27:38):
that Donald thought that she was kidding. And that's why
I was like, oh wait, I didn't think she's kidding
because she's like she has all her witch gear behind her.
I didn't think she was of like frontline work and
nursing and dating. And then all of a sudden she's
so also, yeah, I'm a witch. And so your book
is about the book is a sexy book about a

(01:28:00):
nurse vampire. I mean that woman in America. I'll doorly Lena,
thank you. Yeah, yeah, you should go on that pitch
that pitch thing. What's the pitch thing on Twitter? Joel
pitch thing on Twitter? Do you know what I'm talking about?
I thought you might know about it. It's like when
writers pitch their ideas and they they like. It's like

(01:28:21):
they they put out like a byeline or not a byline.
They put out like a one sentence thing about what
the plot of their thing is, and then they hope
that publishers or agents respond to them. Do you know
what I'm talking about? Yes, they do. It's called a
Twitter pitch. It's sometimes thrown by different publishing companies. Is
according to Google, sometimes just sort of ramped up where
people are like, hey, just go for it. I guess

(01:28:42):
agents do it sometimes too, but it's sort of it's
called like pitch mod or something. I don't know. There's
like there's days where it's like, hey, everybody gets pitch
mod and I'll be pitching my new book and anyway,
I digress. So, Donald, what's up? Brother? We should we
have a surprise for everybody, and that is that when
we're done with our show, Joshua Rayden is gonna sing

(01:29:04):
and perform Winter Live for all of you, which is
a pretty nice treat, Donald, don't you think you know?
I was hoping for a concert the whole episode. I
thought that's what we were going to do. I didn't
realize we were gonna, you know, talk about the show.
And I think Lena was going to be that interesting,
to be honest with you, But you know, okay, she

(01:29:25):
she spoke my language, obviously. Yeah. I think it's only
right that if we have josh on the show, of course,
that we ask him. He could say, he could decline,
he could say no, I wouldn't have had him on.
I just want to go through a couple more things
I love in the show. Before Josh sings gay Chicken along.
Gay Chicken was funny, you and I used to actually

(01:29:47):
play gay Chicken. Yeah. I uh, that's a that's a
tough one to win, you know what I mean? That
always wins that one. Well, I'm willing, I'm willing to
kiss you, because you're willing to make out. If you're
willing to make out, if you're willing to make out,
then you're always the winner. I wanted to say. Leonard
playing playing gin and smoking a cigarette in the hospital
using his claw hand I thought was funny. I think

(01:30:10):
it's hilarious that JD slept with both Sullivan sisters. Right,
I've had sex with both Sullivan sisters, I laughed. I
mean shower shorts. Did you think that shower shorts was
in this episode? I didn't. I didn't know it was
in there. And also this went on into a different
television show, didn't It didn't. It's become your Arrested Development character.

(01:30:32):
Didn't your Arrested No no no, Because in Arrested Development
they have a running seam where never nude David Cross
is a never nude. He's never naked. He wears Jeane
shorts underneath all his clothes. Josh Raiden loves that show,
and I was lucky enough to be on that show
as a fellow never nude. So yes, I guess that's
that's wise that you're saying there is overlap and that
both JD and my character and Arrested Development do not

(01:30:55):
shower fully nude. We're a fucking never nude. That it
was hilarious. Portion DROSSI goes, you're a fucking never nude. Yeah,
it was so funny. I got to be a never
nude and shower shorts for the man who has nothing
to hide but still wants to That is one of

(01:31:18):
the funniest jokes. And it's got a wallet. It's got
a shower short that had me rolling the shower shorts
with the with the wallet that zips back and when
he pulls it and it zips back, and where does
it smack him? That's what I want to know. As
no in the ass, I do a little jump. Okay,

(01:31:40):
you and your male talking. Your male talking is hilarious. Dude,
your mole, your mold, what does it say? It says
that you know that's my voice. And I actually did
the puppet for that too, for the mole. As we
operated the puppet, I operated the puppet for the mold.
The mold was my bow and my hand in the mold. Well,

(01:32:03):
the mall was very funny. I don't know why the
mall wasn't a recurring character that I would have thought
the moll would have come back, but I guess not.
I don't know why Bill didn't ever bring the mall back,
but that was great. Elliot's Bunyan at the end, when
the doctor sees and the nurse passes out, you know

(01:32:25):
whenever these whenever a nurse is like a not a
normal one of the regular like background nurses, and you
just know she's going to be a stunt woman because
I was like, oh, I don't recognize that woman. And
then all of a sudden she took a big fall
when she fainted it and I was like, oh, she
must have been a stunt woman. That was funny. That
was very funny. She must have been a stunt woman
because it was a perfect fall too. Yeah, And then

(01:32:45):
the word was piance. We should talk about this the
whole show before Ted the lawyer has lost one of
his band members, is threatening to quit, and the show
opens up even with it, You'll always be a worthless peon.
You're nothing more than a worthless peon and then he

(01:33:05):
turns to you know, after Ted hangs up, the phony
turns to Kelso. When he goes, doctor Kelso, my band,
the Worthless Peons has just lost a member. I think
this must be the moment that we learned the name
of the band the word yea, it is because they
are all worthless peons. I mean that's how they all
work at the hospital and feel like their their peons

(01:33:27):
to everybody. Yeah. And then also Carla talking about how
she's a candy bar. The Espinoza is a candy bar,
and then Ted asks her does the Espinoza have nugata
in the middle. Yeah, that was funny. I thought I
thought he was doing that like as a sexual thing,

(01:33:48):
like trying to be like trying to flirt. No, he
just likes No, I think he's trying to flirt. I
think it's a flirty flirt. Let's let's get to the
cemetery where it all goes down. Eighteen forty nine is
when we see the first shot of the cemetery. And
you know, this has been like the most common meme
that's ever been sent to me. Though, where do you
think we are? A moment that happens at nineteen thirty five.

(01:34:12):
I got goose bumps. I have to say when when
it happened, even though I knew it was coming. It's
just a really cool sixth cents reveal. Yeah, and well
acted by John C. McGinley. Also yes, and the whole
episode well yeah, Zach, absolutely absolutely, you know what, I
know you need it so absolutely I don't need it.

(01:34:34):
It's not about me. Johnny's incredible in this episode, and
especially at the end when he's crying, it's very moving.
He's very good at it. And and watching them all
sit Jordan, Danny and Johnny's sitting watching the funeral as
he's you know, lowered into the ground and everything like that,

(01:34:56):
I was wondering, who's going to be the one to know,
because you forget these things, Who's the one Like I
was wondering, does Danny lean on Jordan? Is Jordan's gonna
lean on Cox's Cox? You know? How does this? How
does this end? Because there needs to be a moment
that you know, this family can you know, grieve together
because we're not really you don't really see it, you

(01:35:18):
just see you know. And this is a very strong
and stone Wall fan like, these guys are very mean
to each other, and I was like, where's the break?
Who's gonna break? And when Jordan grabs Cox, that's the
first one. But then when JD puts his hand on
Cox and he's willing to accept, he's willing, and he's
willing to receive the love from well, he's gonna receive

(01:35:41):
it from Jordan, but to receive it from his from
his colleague, from his work buddy. Very powerful moment. Yeah,
it's very moving. And Jordan's character isn't someone who's going
to emote, and sob and Johnny sees you think isn't either,
but he just finally lets go and she looks over
at him, and it's very moving. It's beautifully done. I'm

(01:36:02):
so we're very blessed and lucky to have the Josh
here who's going to sing live for you and Josh,
are you ready? Is everything tuned? Is the capo set?
I know all the lingo Well, I just want to
stay one last thing before we get into the raiding situation.
Josh Man, I didn't get to finish this earlier. I
remember watching you in Hotel Cafe me many more, Mega,

(01:36:26):
Kelly and Zach Braft the only people in the place
us and the bartender and you and the sound guy.
That's it flash cut to you at the Troopadore the
first time you played at the Trooperdoor Fire. One of
the best moments of my life to this day. To
be able to say, to be able to say, I

(01:36:48):
knew you when this was freaking a whimsical idea and
now look at you now. It's it's always it always
makes me smile to walk into an auditorium and hear
you perform, and then not only that, to watch the
people listening to you, like I've seen a thugged out dude,

(01:37:09):
like somebody that looks like the dude that was on
the skateboard with the with the with the ocean spray,
seen somebody like that at your concert doing exactly what
he's doing to the Stevie Nick song, singing and along
to the Fleetwood Max song. I've seen that, I've seen
I've seen you touch people like that, and it's just
so powerful to see. So without any further doo, y'all,
I've said enough. Joshua. All right, here's josh Raiden with

(01:37:32):
with Winter, the first song he ever wrote. I should
know who I am. I know I mark the record

(01:37:56):
stand somehow cannot under your name is the splenter inside
me while I'm wait. I remember the sound of your

(01:38:21):
November Downtown, and I remember the truth I worn December
will you. But I don't have to make this mistake,
and I don't have to stay this way. If only

(01:38:46):
I've made the walk, that's all and cleared by now.
Your voice, it's all I hear somehow calling out winter.
Your voice is the splenter inside me while I waited,

(01:39:17):
and I remember the sound if your November Downtown. I
remember the truth. I want December with you. But I
don't have to make this mistake, and I don't have

(01:39:43):
to stay this way. If only I wad I could
have lost myself in rough blue waters in your eyes,
and I miss you still. I remember the sound off

(01:40:12):
your November Downtown. I remember the truth. I warm December
with you. But I don't have to make this mistake,
and I don't have to stay this way. If only

(01:40:38):
I wait, m YEA wow you want with That's so beautiful, Josh,

(01:41:03):
Thank you. When I hear that song, I go, I
can't believe I know the guy who who wrote and
sings that. It's just such beautiful poetry. Thank you so much.
It's very kind and thank you for starting my career.
Well I I if it wasn't me, it would have
been somebody else. Well, you never know. Josh. Remind people

(01:41:27):
how if they want to do this this thing, they
can book you uh to play to my website Joshua
Rayden dot com R A D I N and you'll
see it right there. It's very simple. I change the
website so it's very simple. It's it's top Joshua raidin
dot Topeka Live. You'll see the link. You'll see all
the options and which the money goes to. But you
can have Josh play for your loved ones, maybe even

(01:41:49):
maybe even you know this as a holiday gift for
someone and back when the world reopens and concerts everything again,
make sure to go see Josh play live. Travels all
over the world. It's very popular in Europe, right Josh.
Josh is like Bruce Springsteen and Sweden not very popular

(01:42:10):
of Sweden. No, I have a small cult following coup
of people who know my songs from medical shows. But
that's very no. And and Josh, that's that's that you're
you're exactly You're You're you're what are you being here
just being dismissive of yourself. You're being self deprecating, Josh Donald,
you're still here with us? Well I'm here though. Can
we can we just have Donald admit to everyone that

(01:42:32):
I did not mess up my own song? Okay? Fine?
Is that? Is that what you're waiting for? He came
on the podcast? So look all right, So here's the thing.
Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Remind you were you
did mind listeners? What was said? I said that he blew.
He messed up his own song. It didn't mess up
his own song. You messed it up by not singing

(01:42:53):
the whole song straight through, like you forgot some words here.
I didn't forget anyone. This is the thing. But I
will say this the stairs. Well say that has happened.
And I know you've been talking all day. Moment, Okay,
go ahead, let him have his moment. I'm running the stairs.
When the podcast started listening to this thing, and all

(01:43:14):
of a sudden, you start talking about me and how
you asked me to play your your in Casey's first
dance at your wedding, and you asked for one of
my songs, and it was you asked for the song Paperweight,
which at the time, I went for about eight years
or something without playing that song live. It was too painful.
I wrote it with my ex and when we split up,
I just decided I didn't want to play anymore. Now
I play it, it's been whatever, it's been time you

(01:43:36):
would has played it together yet? No, No, we haven't seen.
We haven't hung out in years and years. I would
love to see that. Oh we should get that on
the show. That would be dope, but I would for
sure either way. What I'm saying is, you asked me
to play a song of mine called they Bring Me
to You, and so I did. But the live version
of that song is a different version than the recording. Oh,
I know, because you have a female singing with you

(01:43:57):
and it's just so much different production. But when you
solo acoustic life, So you have to remember, I'm running
the stairs listening to your podcast and I hear you
do your Oprah voice of like that he fucked up
his own song, and I'm like, I spit out my water.
I started laughing. So and then of course I texted
you right afterwards. I'm like, what are you talking about it?

(01:44:20):
Right away you were like, first of all, I did
not fuck up. I just want the audience to know that.
Donald asked Josh to sing him and his wife's first
song in his wedding and then made fun of him
on front of thousands of people because he didn't like
the version. Josh sang, it's me, it's me, all right,
we've gone two hours, don't know. We don't entertain you.
I know, right, I just but ye that being said,

(01:44:43):
But I do love and I love you too, that
being said though. Man. At my wedding, when we were
sitting up in Zach's house getting ready myself, Josh and Zach,
Josh sits down and he starts drumming on the guitar
and uh just start singing. And he writes a song

(01:45:04):
at my wedding. And I then hear the song maybe
like a year later on a plane ride to New York,
and I remember hitting him up and being like, dude,
that song you wrote at my wedding is playing on
the plane and it's the one where it's like it's
a wedding, it's a freaking love song, man. And I
can't remember I remember, but it's like if you go

(01:45:25):
something like, I'll find you something. Come on I haven't
played that song and forever. You wrote that at my wedding,
and so I have to find it now so that
Daniel could play it out if you laid it down,
josh right. It's available to an album called of mine,
called wax Wings, called Daniel. It's on wax Wings. Thank

(01:45:47):
you everybody. The onesies Joelle told me are are restocked
on twelve eighteen. If you want to give the love
of me and Donald on your body, and thank you
to Daniel, Joelle, Lena, our guests. And here is Joshua
Raden with the song Donald, just beautifully, because what's the

(01:46:09):
call when we're together? When we're together, y'all? Basteg an
sky and the water fire at nights, no pleasure without sacrifice,
the shore and the ocean, the moon sun, one way
without the other. Had boat done? Now? I believe you

(01:46:32):
what's supposed to be supposed to be you and with
you forever because we're the bestgether a with you forever.

(01:46:52):
You are the only one, and we've just been done.
The waiting roachs and fall on my shore. Your glass
is empty, our purse and more I left the table

(01:47:16):
lack of mus give any time to search for you now.
I believe you what's supposed to be supposed to meet
you and me. I with you forever, cause we're the

(01:47:37):
best were together. I with you forever. You are only one,
and we've just been gone one down nowas to reach
to the sky that I come to. If you forget,

(01:48:04):
I do my best to try to remind you. I
with you forever, cause we are the best when we're together.
Forever you ady one, and we've just been gone with

(01:48:35):
you forever with you forever you are one, and we've
just become

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