Hyundai Around LA

The gang takes Donald's Hyundai Tuscon out for a drive around Los Angeles. Along the way, they visit the space and places that sculpted Zach and Donald's journey to fame. Stops include Donald's first Hollywood apartment, the studio where the guys first met, and the restaurant Zach worked at when he wrote Garden State.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Here's some stories about show we made about a bunch
of docs and nurses and stories around here. Yeah, around here.

(00:28):
I don't want you touching me. I will probably touch
you a couple of times throughout the rod. It's distracting
when I drive. You know how when people get dressed
in the morning, they say like, Oh, I'm gonna put
on a nice outfit for my my guy or my girl,
or I want to put on a cute outfit for
that person at work. You know. Well, this morning I
put on my grow goose socks. Yes, I couldn't tell

(00:51):
what the lion green was. I was like, is he
wearing ankleweights? Happening? I put on my grow goose socks
for Donald so handsome? Yeah, I look unhappy he is.
You're not happy with it? You know why? I'm not happy.
You want them, I'll give them to you right after
I wear them today. Sucked them up. Man, You are
all right. We slept in the bed in our underwear,

(01:12):
just our underwear, back to back. Baby, that's how close
we are. Yeah, we've spooned. I don't feel like we've spooned. Well,
we haven't spoon spooned. Like there was no like there
was no, like my my groin didn't touch your booty. Alright,
so the harbor. Alright, So road trip, road trip trip.

(01:39):
Are we rolling to the first ever road trip edition
of the podcast Doctor's Real Friends. Um, we're in a
Hunda Tu song. Thank you to Hunda for sponsoring this
uh episode of our show. And we came up with
this really cool idea to do an episode where we
drive around Hollywood and talk about some places that really

(02:01):
influenced me and Donald's lives while Inwood. Yes, and we're
starting in the valley where where Donald lives now. And
we're not gonna say the street that so if you
said the valley, it's pretty hard to find you in
the valley. But Donald lives or may not live in
the valley. Um and um, so what year let's start.

(02:28):
Let's start at the very beginning. I don't know what
it was that I moved out here. I'm gonna be
honest with you, Like, I just know they were too high. No,
I didn't know that. I was like in my twenties,
like I was three. I knew it was. I know
it's right, it's just been so long, Like I've lived
here longer than I lived in New York. I grew
up in New York, born and raised in New York,

(02:48):
and so when I moved out here, I was like,
I don't know. I want to say I was high,
but I was very young, and I've been here longer
than I lived in New York for it, and so
I couldn't tell you the exact year. Like if you
asked me what year Rocco was born, I just learned
that it was two thousand. Really, yeah, he's the one

(03:11):
that teaches me that ship. That's the crazy feel that
you've smoked away that part of your memory. Yeah, all right,
I smoked away a lot of ship, dude. You do
some memory exercises that today. I couldn't remember short ribs
for some reason, Like that's the word. I was like,
what kind of ribs are those? They're beef but they're

(03:34):
like they're not beef ribs, but they're not. And I
was like, flank ribs. That's so cool when that comes
up like that. I tried to tell you all, when
you signal in your dashboard, the camera on the side
shows you what's on your side, All right, next time,
you sure of that because I've never seen that before.

(03:55):
That's really that is honestly very cool. That's very cool
because I'm always worried about my blind spot. M hm.
You know what I'm saying, worry about your blind spot.
I'm gonna never worry about I never worry about my blonds.
It's going to be a good You know what this
reminds me of in swingers when they're like hard but

(04:21):
then right before they get to Vegas, Vegas, Vegas And
that's not Vegas either where they shot it, no where
they where they The first lights that you see when
you're going towards Vegas isn't Vegas. It's Barstow, isn't it. Yeah? Um,
well that's pretty cool. I like that. This is pretty.

(04:43):
I mean, this is meant to be like a family car.
It's pretty. It's pretty sexy. You look pretty. You look
pretty hot driving it. I'm not gonna lie it. You
look good. Thank you very much, guys, because I realized
it's like, you know, you can have it's a family car,
but it's me for sexy dads like you. So do
you even look at your mirror? You always look at
your marriage. But you know what you had me thinking.

(05:04):
I was thinking, like you know, because you know you're
not like the greatest driver in the world. And I
was thinking about how happy I was that the Tucson
has all these safety features. Excuse me, where did you
get that? I'm not the greatest driver. I think you're
a good driver, but you're not necessarily like the greatest.
I disagree with you. So I was happy that the
tuc has all these You think you're the greatest driver.

(05:27):
I am. I am the greatest to take this Tucson
on the track? You know what it is? I feel
like I'm Peter Quill and your rocket Raccoon. Do you
know who they? I don't know what that means. It's
like he's the captain, but you think you're the captain,
and then you guys probably over whose ship? This really is?
Like Chewy and Han Chews we complains a lot like

(05:52):
you let me drive good. I feel like, isn't that
what he's saying? And probably probably? But do you never

(06:15):
hear Hans say anything like you know, well shut up
if you think you can do so much better than
do it. You never hear Hans say that. So I
don't know if Chewi complains about driving. I think Chewi.
Do you think Chewy likes working for Han. Yeah, they're
best friends. Now is Hans pay Chewy? No, they make
equal money. So whenever they do an assignment they get
they split it. I mean, let's think about it. We

(06:37):
don't need clothes, so it doesn't have to pay for that.
Does Chewi Pooh? Most certainly you never see Chewi Pooh.
You don't see anybody can in Star Wars, but he's
never like I think the Mandalorians the first time we
ever saw a toilet in Star Wars. Star Wars in

(07:00):
your podcast? Um, all right, so Donald, tell us a
little more about your You don't remember the year you
came out? How long until you got a part? I
came out the part. So this was California, so much
earlier than I moved right, And my mom was like,
my mom kept telling me that's a mistake. All you're

(07:20):
gonna do is get there and you're not gonna have
any money and you'll be back because of that for
the confidence. Mom she was like, when you go to California,
you should go because the job brings you there. And
I was like, okay, fine. So the goal was how
can I get a job that shoots in l A.
And so when Clueless happened and they were talking about
making the television show. I remember thinking, this is my

(07:41):
way out, this is my way out the Clueless movie.
You were still living in New York? Yes, And where
did you shoot the Clues movie? In Los Angeles? So
you came out to shoot that but then moved back
to New York, right, And at that point I made
friends with Seth Green and breck and Meyer. Where did
you live while you're making a Cluss movie? At the
uh smoked it away? No? I didn't smoke it away.

(08:02):
I just don't know the name of it. But it's
right off of La Saga. Okay, so the apartment or something. Yeah,
it was like an apartment slash hotel. But I've made
friends with Breckon and Seth already, and so I was like,
you know, I would, I would telling the audience that
Donald was merging onto the one on one was dangerous

(08:25):
highways in the world. You're getting on the freeway? Is
that so? But I'm not Stacy Dash? But can you
turn around into your screen face? No doing to the
camera the most famous car screen ever? Where did you

(08:47):
shoot that on the One on one? No? That was shot?
You know there's this. You know where the Aquarium of
the Pacific is, there's a little private freeway over there,
and we shot him on that down Yeah, well there's
never any cars on it. Old trivia for you. I
did a pilot that didn't come out. But the seven
ten Freeway, which is a big free they were building,
stopped for political reasons and all sorts of Michigas. They

(09:10):
weren't able to finish it. So for like a mile,
it just goes and then dead ends, and they rented
to film productions to use because it's a mile of
freeway that's a dead end. I think that's where we
shot this, and that's where a lot of the Aquarium
of the Pacific. Maybe it's the same thing, but I
just know that a lot of people um have shot
there before because it's this kind of because of whatever

(09:32):
politics happened, they just they dead end and they couldn't
keep building it, and so it's like a mile of
freeway you can use for shoots. Where they shot the
opening scene of Lala Land. No, that was an actual freeway,
which is wild to me. Yeah, they actually shut down
a freeway to shoot the opening. They did that, But
Donald start Land, we could turn this into a podcast

(09:53):
that also visits Lala Land locations. We're gonna grip with
observatory and show so that. So that looked like it

(10:16):
was gonna happen, and when it did, they gave me
five thousand dollars to move to Los Angeles and with
that five thousand dollars, I got the apartment that were
It's funny that I got the exact theme on money
from my parents to come out here. We both started
with five grand and nothing else, nothing else. That was
it five brands. And it wasn't like I had the

(10:37):
comfort of thing like I can always ask my parents,
because like, no, they just gave me five grands. That
was my only source of being able to hit up
anybody for extra money was my parents, and they had said,
here's five grand and I put it all into getting
a car. I had to get a used car. Yeah,
I've rented a car when I rented cars when I
first got out here, cuse I thought that would be cheaper.
And then it wasn't cheaper anymore because some lady on

(11:00):
the street that we're about to go to had a
heart attack while driving. My car was parked out in front.
I'll never forget this. I had just come back from
playing paintball with my buddy Meach and I was showering
and Meach was playing this back when Nintendo with the
Cube was out right. Yeah. So he's playing fucking Bond

(11:20):
on that ship, practicing uh and it's fun. He knocks
on the fucking door and I'm like, dude, what the heck?
I'm in the shower and he goes, yo, I think
somebody just hit your car. And I was like what.
And so I go out and there's this you know,
old white lady. Well, I think this might be quicker

(11:42):
than because then we got to get off one because
it's Sunday. Um and she's like in the street like uh,
and the cops are there and she's like, oh god,
and it was It's it's so long ago. I was
so new to Los Angeles that I still had my
uh license. What's that somebody's coming up on that? That's interesting.

(12:04):
That's good stuff. Assholes like that that speed up when
you're freaking trying to turn. I know, that's the one.
Let's talk about the Tucson just gave you a warning
that that guy was over there. Thank you, Thank you,
Tucson give it up. Pet anyway, you know, Pet, come
down and so and so I walked outside and she's,

(12:28):
you know, faint. She's like, oh God, I'm so my
heart And it was so long ago. I was no,
the cops were already there. I'm so of Los Angeles
that I still have my uh my Springfield where I
got my I got my license at Springfield, Massachusetts, because
I kept failing in New York. So I was like,
let me go to Springfield. There's too much data coming in.

(12:52):
You couldn't get your license in New York, so you
went to Massachusetts. No, that's wrong, I take that back.
I never heard anyone leaving the states getting as I
got it in I got. I got my license in
uh in New York. But I don't know how this
worked out. I had I stayed with my grandfather for

(13:13):
like a summer, just hanging out with him in Springfield.
And while I was in Springfield, instead of getting a
New York license, I got a Springfield license because I
just used his address, like I had already passed the
test and all I needed to show with proof that
I did that and if I if I'm correct, But
I had a Springfield license, right and I bought my
car in Springfield also, so I'm so new to California

(13:35):
that I still have that license. And there was this
one cop I don't know her name, but she would.
She was notorious for telling people, come on, now, you've
lived out here long enough, it's time for you to
get your license. Like she did the beat in Hollywood
and pulled over everybody and actors from all over the
country who never updated their license, right, and she's like,
you've lived here long enough, donald's time to get your

(13:56):
new license. But like she was notorious in Hollywood. So
when she when I handed her my license, I was like,
here we go and she said it and I was like, um,
I had to pay for the car that this lady
hit what because for some reason I thought I don't
need to get insurance on it because I was like

(14:17):
an extra however amount a month, how much it costs.
It's something like it was a Vovo too, so something
like grand or something like that, something like that, and
I had to pay for it. I think we brought
it down to we got it down to fourteen grand.
And I remember I was doing the television show at

(14:37):
the time, and it was the whole check like literally
the whole check. It was like, you know, because first
of all, a lot of people don't know this, but
when you started television show and you don't really have
that many credits, they don't pay you that much money.
And they didn't pay me that much for Clueless for
the whole run, and I remember thinking, damn the whole check,

(15:01):
and uh, I only get twenty two a freaking season,
you know, and I paid for the car. Wow, that's
a big hit. No, no punt intend remember get the
cute farmers market people's market earlier this morning. I remember
opening the trunk because that was the only thing, Like,

(15:23):
the trunk was so broken at all you have to
do was just lifted up and all my paintball like
I had owned paintball guns and everything that was one
of your faces and everything was in text. And I
was like, I remember you went through a mega paintball phase. Yeah,
I've gone through several paintball phases where it was like,
what I like, we should do a fake Doctor's Real

(15:43):
Friends paintball. Oh my gosh, you are talking my line
lounge and they just get the coffee sparkling water and
hit an observation deck and yeah, well you got that.
Let me tell the year should be like popping people
from a really good shot. Thought you are shooting age
actually actual gun. That's fine. I don't need from you here.

(16:08):
You could post up on like a lookout tower and
just pick people off. Okay, you know what if I
could be a sniper in a paintball game, then yes,
very that's very My paintball phase was so big that
at one point me and my boy Dion Richmond but
from the Cosby Show, we're invited to were invited to

(16:30):
join a team. Yeah, and it got when when we
realized we weren't going to do it. When they were like,
so we have practice, and we were like, there's such
a thing as you're talking about. Absolutely, you're talking about practice.
But it wasn't just us, like be real from Cypress Hill,
him and him and him and the whole gang. They

(16:52):
I think they were like the soul Assassins or something
like that. They were and they were freaking paint That
was their paintball team. I played paintball with Will Smith
because of it, Like yeah, dude, oh god, look here's
a crazy ship. Why didn't you only play with famous
black people? Well, it sounds like the best way into that.
It's just said, when you start playing paintball, you start
getting invited. People here about this and start inviting you out.

(17:15):
So Will Smith plays paintball and we were like, I
remember all of us were like, yeah, we're going to
play with Will. Oh, We're gonna suck Will you know,
suck him up, like singing songs about how we were
going to destroy Will Smith. Right, He's like, he's just
like the characters in the movie It's probably Sup and
he's jumping over barrels and ship doing rolls and stuff,

(17:38):
busting shots like it literally looked like it was the movie.
My experience of paintball is like, if you go there
and rent one of their guns, you've done because the
people who you're playing with, like Donald, are all kidded
out with the latest stuff, and I was just getting
destroyed because people were so into it. I was playing
with people like you're saying Will Smith and you apparently

(17:59):
I remember seeing I remember seeing that and being like,
holy cow, this dude is just like he is in
the movie. That's amazing, Like I really wanted that would
be a fun thing to do together, so well, you
can post up. It's just really hot right now, that's
the only thing you got to put on all the
clothings make so you don't get it really hurt that bad.
It hurts. It was like an air gun can't worse

(18:24):
than that my body from paintball shots twenty years ago.
Let's put it that way. Damn Really, people, isn't like
frozen paintballs or something, you know, just some of it
was close range. A lot of you know what I mean, frozen?
What's that that that's that's a that's a very illegal
thing that people do, which is really dangerous, is they'll
freeze their paintballs because they hurt a lot more, but
they also travel a lot better and they don't cause yourself.
It's so it's it's it's very messed that. I thought

(18:45):
it was harder for it to travel because the paint's
frozen on one side and then the other side isn't interesting.
Maybe it's just for preservation purposes. Have you seen this
new water gun thing that has little water pellets. There's
some hybrid water gun thing that's like the new craze I.
I don't even think they're available because they're sold out.
But it's like it's like paintballs, but they're little and

(19:08):
they're filled with water and so you can like blast
your friends. I don't think they I don't think they
don't hurt for kids, So I don't think they hurt.
Like like a like a paintball gun, right, paintballs called
no I love that. My mom would not when my
prime paintball phase, my mom was like, you're not getting
a paintball gun. She's like, when you're eighteen, then you
can buy your own paintball gun. And of course at

(19:29):
that point I was in college and had no money,
and it was like, well, I can't spend five dollars
pall when I was a kid. Yeah, for a good one.
I mean, if you want to get gas, you want
to get the hopper, all the things that you need
point yeah, the CEO two to make it. Actually they
see the CEO two or now can you have that automatic?
Like whatever? Oh, and you're allowed to play with people
that don't know that you originally weren't. And then all

(19:51):
of a sudden, people's hands got so much fast. What
they automatic, what they made is they made this this
special two finger triggers that has what's called ramping on it.
And if it's of senses that you're starting to pull
the trigger really fast. It just changes to automatic. It's
fits something like sixty freaking and then or you could

(20:12):
get the kind of fits like two exactly two. Those
are the real ones, the bad ones. We're driving through
Laurel Canyon Boulevard and which is most one of the
most beautiful parts of l A. I think. And Donald,
you used to live around the corner from here. I did,
and this is where we used to come over and
play poker at your house. And Donald was a bachelor

(20:32):
and he had the most baller house. He had an arcade,
he had a theater. Now, he had he in the
in the living room where there was just a poker
table with arcade games. And Casey moved and he had
his all his all his Star wars Um animation stuff
set up in the dining room, right don't And Casey
moved in. She's like, okay, this is gonna get and

(20:54):
we're taking this. It was the ultimate bachelor pad, like
it was. The whole house was a main cave. Was awesome.
It's a magical yep. I remember, I still love the canyonmen.
If Casey would have said, let's move back, it would
be the happiest day in my life. It's a special place,
special place in my heart. And um one of our

(21:15):
favorite restaurants. UM. We're gonna be passing soon. It's the
only restaurant in Laurel Canyon. UM. And you think one
of the odds that it was a really good restaurant,
But it's this very rustic Italian restaurant that's really good food.
You guysn't ever been there. Out to you, it's amazing,
you know. On a serious note, I've been reading UM

(21:35):
just started. Amanda includes his book a book coming out
she wrote about her story about the insanity of what
happened in Nick. It's called Live Your Life, UM. For
your listeners, if you want to get it. It's on
true Utter now. And I gotta say I was prepared
to read the book and just just I was not
expecting anything. But Amanda's a really good writer, and she

(21:58):
kept such she and her sister kept such journals and
of course all of her communication with all her friends
and family. And it had me like crying yesterday. It's
so beautifully told and so emotional, and it's just so
insane when you think when you look back at the story,
you know, it's it's it's it's you. You just kind

(22:19):
of get used to it. Life goes on. But in
her retelling of the story, it's just so powerful and
it all takes place here, um in um look at that.
So this is the Canyon store right here. Yeah. Yeah,
and I guess they're they're doing a round. There's there's
a thing like a there's a bake off or something
is this, Yeah, this is there, and then underneath right there.

(22:41):
Oh and it's really really really undernea. Yeah. I've seen
that a bunch of times. Never been it's really beautiful
of delicious food. And that used to be the go
to pizza. You wouldn't order from, like you wouldn't order
from any of the other pizza restaurants. You'd order from there.
And like when you moved. When I moved out of

(23:02):
the Canyon and had to get pizza from like other
pizza restaurants, nothing compares, there was something that was just
so good, Like the crust was just right on point.
I think it's the best pizza in l A. Really. Yeah.
I mean it's not not not like it's not like
you know, it's not like New York Street pizza or
like it's like if you like like that that rustic,
it's like a wood fire pizza. Okay, cool, great, I've

(23:23):
been trying a lot more wood fire pizza. So Dary,
you should definitely take your gal there on a date.
It's so romantic, brother, I will not only not only that,
not only that they have a special pizza, Like first
of all, the whole menu was just ridiculously. First of all,
the menu is all healthy, like there's mostly healthy foods
on right, But then every month they have a specialty

(23:44):
pizza and I remember one month it was truffles and
that pizza cost like a hundred stocks. It was delicious.
You know what my restaurant to our friends told me
about truffles. He said that people pay all this money
or the truffles, but that's not only what they want.
What they want is the truffle oil. That's what it was.

(24:08):
But bro, if you're puff bucks, there slice in the truffle.
And he says, it's the biggest scam in the world
because we get in there, you're gonna spoil ourselves to
get the trouble because that's not even the taste that
you like. The taste you like is the oil, which
are there you go, I've given you hot tip. I
got another hot all right, listen, y'all, this has nothing

(24:32):
to do with driving around l in the car. But
I get another tip. Do if you have a house
and there's birds shipping all over your deck or your
porch or your yard, and you're like so frustrated that
it's covered with bird poop, I got you. You gonna
come clean and hook I will come email, I will

(24:59):
come with a our washroom. No, you go on the
interwebs and you buy a yellow tailed hawk decoy. Do
not get the owl that you sometimes see, because birds
know that owls are nocturnal and they don't give a
crop no pun intended. You get a yellow yellow tailed

(25:20):
hawk decoy and you put it out there. You gotta
put a little weights in it because that wise the
wind blows it over. I've done the testing for you. Okay,
fill it up with some old coins. There you go,
very okay, This this hawk probably cast fifteen bucks on Amazon.
You're gonna fill it with some pennies. Bam. Birds are

(25:42):
like I that I'm not going there's a freaking hawk there.
You think I'm gonna sit there and poop solves it
like that that is your pro tip from Zach Rathabo.
I can't believe it works. Yeah, Daniel, put it a
little dun dun dune, I got you. You can't afford
that we can use dun dun dune. Then we've done

(26:03):
it a bunch of times, all right, if we can
a couple of times yet. I wish we could put
on some music in the two songs, but we can't
write it, so maybe we should just like, oh man,
I could get on that. What did you learned the
melody from from the song I wrote for you for

(26:26):
Case's entrance music? No Er, Sorry, you gotta put that down, thow.
I need you to put it down. If you don't
put it down, I'm gonna put it down. Why don't
you call Why don't you call up Charlie Poof? No? Okay, no,
actually I think we u we have probably used our
one favorite with Charlie. Charlie's like y'all, Motherfucker's got the
hottest freaking podcast opening song in the history of podcasts

(26:50):
opening songs. You want what you want? What now? Charlie's
got another song on the radio heard that's really good.
It's Charlie Poos huge but he had a new single.
I was bopping too, and sometimes I put on just
like hits one on serious and you get all that
Olivia Rodrigo, he's all over the place. She's all over

(27:11):
the place, So we don't the baby saved her. I'm sorry.
Her music was. Her music was straight euro club seeing
type stuff with the baby and then baby guests on it,
and now all of a sudden she got urban hits.

(27:32):
In my opinion, Daniel, I know you like that ship,
but that ship was straight up freaking marshmallow DJ and
that ship. Yeah, I mean, Daniel, you like that ship
shallow b Jake. Alright, So we're pulling into the Hollywood area.
Now there are is this the school temple is okay?

(27:55):
So Donald, tell us about your we're kind of from So.
When I first moved to Lost Angeles, you know, people
ask me where do you want to live? And I said,
I want to live in Hollywood because I thought Hollywood
was where all the stars lived. I learned really quick,
they do not live here. You're a star, you can
afford to not live in Hollywood. The billboard for the show.

(28:16):
I've been telling you all to watch both Burnhams and stuff.
Oh inside yeah, I sent you that video. Did you
watch it? I did not? Oh my god, you're the
worst friend I have. I'm not the worst friend. What
kind of friend you? If I send you a YouTube
link and you don't click the link? Why are we friends?
I need new friends though. Please. I have offriended my

(28:38):
brother Zachary. If you're should if you're with me and you,
if you're a listener and you are willing to click
on links that I send you that are funny, will
you please email Joel because I need new friends. Everybody
just flooded Joel's email. You just flooded. There already many
people trying to pick you up on that. I had
people signing to my dam's like, yo, bro, I watched

(28:59):
Solos it was awesome. Can I be your friend? Or
that I reposted Josh rayden um because he posted on
Instagram and they're like, at least one of your friends
watch a lot of things. I want to put that
episode on early so I can be like, we watched it. Everybody,

(29:19):
chill everyone, m we didn't you did? So one of
my went to that gym from one time? One time?
One time? No, no, not, that's not that's not. That's
the one that's okay, I don't know. I went there once,
so I learned really quickly, very early, that you know,
stars don't live here, and that this is actually the hood. Well,

(29:42):
I don't know if it's the hood. It's just a
rougher part of town. My man I had it was
me terror Read, uh, Damon from the Mickey Mouse. The
shot of the Los Angeles Public Library isn't very good.
It's not great, but you know this is exactly where
I live. Oh my god, look at the Oh my god. Anyway, me,

(30:05):
Damon terror Read and a couple of other people, we're
in my apartment, which is right here. Maybe pull in
front of here, it is right. That was that one
right there with all those flowers. That was my balcony
a hot tub right there. Also, Um, you told us

(30:27):
before months in the podcast. But you used to have
like bashes here, right. I used to throw a lot
of parties. So I threw one huge party here and
then but the landlord, but the dude above me, I've
made sure. I went around and invited everybody in the
building to the party, and most of them came. The
landlord came who lived up there, like pretty much everybody
came through. The dude that lived above me I was

(30:48):
warned about. They were like, listen, he's kind of a dick,
so you know, he'll say yeah, I'm cool with it,
and then he'll call the police on you. He's that
type of person. So I've made sure to invite him
to the party. I was like, why don't you come through?
He was like, I'd love to thank you. We throw
the party. He comes knocking on the door and he's like, Donald,

(31:11):
it is too loud. I was like, wait a second,
I told you, why don't you come through? You? You know,
I invited you to the thing. Why don't you just
come and have fun? And like people, there were a
lot of people at the party, Like I invited everybody
from Sabrina the Teenage, which because we were all on
the same lot, they showed up. I invited everybody from
Moitia because we were on the same lot. They showed up. Yeah,

(31:31):
it was a real It was like one of those
things where I was like, yo, dude, I got it
is target rich in Hollywood right now, dude, Like they
say that the stars don't live here, were they up
in this month? Right now? It was on fire right
and he goes it's too loud and I want you
to shut it down. You're like, I got Sabrina the teenage, Like, listen,

(31:53):
don't sitting right there Brandy in the house. No, Brandy
didn't come to lammt bently, God rest his soul. One
of my dudes, Uh, he came through. He always came
through like he would. He would come and hang out
all the time because we filmed on the Paramount lot,
so a lot of the people that did you know,
if you were an extra on the show, or you know,
if you were or if you were on other shows,

(32:15):
you would come through to my house to hang out
because I was so close and I was a cool dude,
right And when he kicked he I had. I first
tried to do this. I was like, everybody, let's just
keep it down. That doesn't work, and that didn't This
is the kind of complex where if they're not down,

(32:36):
they're gonna be pissed because you're all right on top
and so and I remember I Chris Kilmore, the DJ
for Incubus, was supposed to DJ. This is before he
was a deep like he was a dude. I'm keeping
one hundred Chris, and you noticed I love you. But
when he first started, he was the worst DJ, like
he couldn't he couldn't find the beat to save his life.

(32:59):
And I used to go over to his house and
he used to hang out with this girl, Ausha, who
is an actress also but and so we we that's
who I used to run with, right, and I was like,
you DJ to party and he was like, I's like
I don't. I don't got that much money. Could pay
fifty bucks. He shows up after the dude tells me
to keep it down and it's like, I want you
to kick everybody out. He comes in with his big

(33:21):
buck speakers and everything like that. Ready, he's so late
and I'm like, dude, I like two and a half
hours late. Chris. It's like I'm sorry, bro, I'm sorry.
And I was like, well, I don't know that point
DJ for a little bit and then I'll take the
mail tomorrow. It reminds me of your wedding when we

(33:45):
had at my house. I don't know if I told
the story not, but I went around all the close neighbors.
I think I gave him gift baskets, wrote very sweet notes,
and this lady put in my mailbox Staple on the
other side of the sweet note I had written. She
flipped it over had written in block handwriting, I will
be calling the police the second I'm disturbed. And then

(34:06):
she stapled the local noise ordinance rules to piece of
paper and put it back from my mailbox. Jerk, I
don't understand how you can't like suspend your comfortableness for like.
And then, by the way, a night, this woman they
came to set up a tent for Donald's wedding. She
called the police on them hitting the fucking steaks into
the ground. The police are not your personal security for

(34:29):
it's just like a waste of waste of got to
come out up to a complaint about hammering a steak
in the ground. I missed this place, man, we used
to have. There was another dude that lived here who
worked in like in that Brother's arm whatever. That World
War two movie he was on that that was his.

(34:52):
He hadn't done it yet, but so he was just
starting to. He moved to Hollywood the same reason way
I did. And uh, several year a few years later,
banda Brothers came out and he was one of the
leads on it. Let's sake, we'll be right back after
these fine words. All right, So now we're gonna go

(35:15):
to my the first place I stayed when I was
in Los Angeles. Now you stayed here, Now what was
your deal? You moved here? I remember you moving here
with a girl is there? Let me tell you the story. Um,
I went to Sundance for the very first time, and
I like fell madly in love with a woman that
I met at Sundance. And she was the prettiest woman

(35:38):
I had ever met. And she at the time, and
she was just so cool and it was so exciting.
What did she do for a living? She worked, um,
the Disney lot for a producer. And I didn't have
a car, I didn't have a dime. So I was
in a movie, my first great part called Gay you
Know You, with Michael West and and Heather moder Razzo,

(36:01):
and we went to Sundance, which is a big deal.
And while there I met this woman and she was
just I was just like drop jog and we really
hit it off. But she was here and I was
in New York and we were gonna try and do
the long distance thing and and um, so she lived
in this house with two other guys. One was an actor,

(36:23):
and one eventually became a very successful agent. But they
were like, you know, all roommates in this duplex and um,
and it was really I I came out here with
with no money. It was really stressful because I just
didn't I wanted to I wanted to like impress her
and have her stay interested in me, but I just
had no money. I had didn't have a car, I

(36:45):
didn't have a cell phone. This was like right at
the beginning of cell phones, and I certainly couldn't afford one,
and so I and she was like living in the
small back room like I think this one day was
probably like the maids quarters back in the day of
the house. It was like, I swear to you it was.
She was Invincent's quarters. She was Invincent's quarters. It was
like her bedroom. I'm not exaggerating. Her bedroom was basically

(37:07):
the size of a king sized bed and she had
like a double bed in there, and we crammed in there.
I had nowhere to put my stuff, so I would
like and I did. I was so worried that her
fellow roommates would be mad because I was like there
without without paying any rent. And they certainly were not
too into it um at all understood. I don't know

(37:32):
if you ever been in that position, but like, I
was trying to hide where my clothes were, and I
remember one of the roommates came in, he was actually
paying rent, and he was like, yeah, that spot where
you're keeping your clothes and I was like yeah, he goes, yeah,
my girlfriend's gonna need to have that spot for her clothes.
And I was like, oh, okay, So I pulled all

(37:53):
my clothes out of that one little spot I found,
and then all of a sudden, the next day, all
her closer. She took my nook, she took up, she
took my clothes up. That dude, that dude's kind of
a bitch though for saying that ship well, but I
mean putting yourself into his position. He was paying the
most random sure, because he had the nicest room. And
here I am this guy, I'm using his house, I'm

(38:15):
using his kitchen, I'm you know, I'm in his space
and I'm not paying any rent. Yeah, but neither was
his girl. I know, but he probably justified like, yeah,
but I don't care, I'm paying rent, you're not. I
don't know. Anyway, he's a nice guy. But I'm sure
he is a nice guy, but that was I remember
him telling me like one time, this is the kind
of guy he was. He is a lovely guy actually,

(38:35):
but but I think his tensions for having me in
the house were growing. And he opened the fridge and
I was in the kitchen. He goes, who He's putting
low traffic items in the high traffic spot of the refrigerator,
and I was like, what He's like, there was no
need for this mayonnaise to be at the forefront, in

(38:55):
the middle shelf. It is not used often. It needs
to go in the back, like like, well, you can
fix that yourself. The energy Also, I think a few
times like I didn't know where to poop because I
knew wanted proving her bathroom right, because then you're embarrassed
that you dunk it up, right. So then I would
when those guys were and I would go and poop

(39:18):
in their backs, but they but they didn't have the
toilet brushes, and sometimes I would leave a few streaks.
I remember her home. So my girlfriend calls me. She's like,
hey's just talking about something. I'm like, you never want
to hear that. She's like, um, some of the guys
are saying that you're streaking up their bowl might as well.

(39:44):
It was so embarrassing anxiety. Ever since then, I always
make sure that there's a tweather brush ready in case
streaks we are about to take. Many a night, when
drunk out of my mom before I got home Pinks,
Oh my gods, hot dogs, I always wondered, who's who's

(40:05):
lining up for Pinks? That was you've never had a
Pinks out? That was the delicious. They do a number
on your stomach too. But when I talk to the
Golden Apple Comic bookstore, the yea, I used to go
there too, So if you're not from l A, this
is a very popular tourist location which was closed for COVID,
but I was clearly back open. Oh yeah, they're they're
open open. It's Pinks hot Dogs. People line up. This

(40:28):
line is like very long. I didn't know the hot
dogs were happy. So one time Pink's Hot Dog did
a thing on scrubs and they let me have a
bunch of like if something like more than I could
possibly use before they would perish. And I remember being like, dude,
I got Pinks hot Dogs for days because I used
to love this place, and the people that came to

(40:50):
set remember me to check this out. But the lead
vehicle is driving away that in case you weren't paying attention,
like go and also look at that. It lets you know.
It calculates your attention level, and it's tell it's telling
Donald that his attention level is high. And it has
a little icond of coffee. That's so funny. I wonder

(41:13):
what it looks like when you're not bidding from the road.
I have yet to experience that one because I am
a very good driver's accrap and I can see that.
But it also this is also cool. The Tucson tells
you when your last break from driving was. That's wild.
So Donald, we've stopped for outside his apartment, so it

(41:33):
says it's been six minutes since his last breaks wild.
That's really that's a lot of attention to safety. Be
like you're going to the left lane, yes, look at
the camera comes up you guys see, Donalds won't hurt us.
I would like it if the Tucson told us it's
been six hands cold, told us it's been six minutes

(41:55):
since your last group to your friends. So cold. And
then there's like an icon of like a sad face
that comes. I haven't rubbed your friend? Alright, alright, so um,
so I come out here and um, she lived fortunately
next to a Ralph's that we're going to pass if

(42:17):
you're not from an l A Ralph's is a very
popular supermarket and the way before Subway had the five
dollar foot long, Ralph's sold a giant sub that you
could have made. It would cost five bucks. And I
couldn't believe this. It was too good to be true
because I knew for five bucks I could have lunch
and dinner and um, and that's how I would eat

(42:38):
because I just I didn't have I didn't have a job.
Just cold cuts all day long. Well yeah, cold cuts
for lunch, cold cuts for dinner. What would you do
with the breakfast relationship? Skip breakfast? And that is why
was streaky buddy? Cold cuts? And god, um yeah, you're right. Okay,

(43:06):
So what happened? So I started to relationships started to
get really stressful because um, I hold on, they're gonna
make a left here on the second. Oh my god,
I really I'm gonna get emotional. I have not been
back here in been um since like two thousands. Welcome

(43:26):
back and it's in the same city. That's how big
l A is. By the way, you cannot go by
and by where you guys broke up. So yeah, so
I'll so. So basically I couldn't operate. You can't operate
in l A without a card. This is before Uber. Obviously,
now with Uber you can, but it's very hard to operate.
It was very hard to operate, um And so what
I would do is I would get up in the

(43:48):
morning and I would drive her to work. She worked
on the Disney lot, which we're gonna end with because
that's where you and I had some of our final
auditions for Scrubs. So I would get up, drive her
to work, and then i'd have the car to go
on audition or to you know, do a couple of things.
But with l A traffic, I didn't have that much
time before I had to pick her up a fun

(44:10):
yeah you know what I mean. Like, I certainly couldn't
be linked to three because she would scream at me.
So I had to I had to calculate the day, right,
because if I was going to have two auditions and
then like shower and like you know, do a handful,
maybe maybe work out I had to like then head
back to the valley to go to the couple more
blocks will be Yeah, I think it's the next block. Also,

(44:32):
there's a big Orthodox Jewish community over here because they
a lot of the Orthodox she was live here because
they can on the Sabbath when they don't drive, and
they can walk to their synagogues. Yeah, you beautiful neighbor.
This is like almost Hancock Park. It's a big difference
between my experience first experience here in your first well again, yeah, yeah,

(44:53):
but you sound like you had a smidgin more fun
than I did. Yeah, I was like doing CPR. Were
hard broken. So anyway, the relationship started getting really stressful
because she was never pleased with me, and I didn't
have any money, and we would like drive by a
billboard for something exciting, and she was like, oh, I
want to go see that, and I was just thinking,

(45:14):
like what am I supposed to say here? Like I
can't take you to that I can't afford. And I
started getting really insecure, because you know, she was she
was sort of increasing her resentment of me because I
couldn't do things. And I said the honest things like
if you want to do that, you can pay for
us to do that, but I I can't and I'm

(45:36):
so sorry I can't do that for you, but I
and she would kind of just roll her eyes and
it was really tricky, and I started. This is when
I started. I've never really spoke about this, but I
started getting panic attacks. Have you read a panic attack? Yeah,
like the time we have to be on the floor
and just it is the scariest thing. You're falling on
a roller coaster, you know. For me, it's imagine your

(45:59):
LUNGSTI eating up and you just can't get air now,
and then you're then so you're you're human self that
your adrenaline spikes because you think you're dying, and then
you start this loop in your head like I had
to call on amuals. I can't breathe, my lungs aren't
working long and then that makes you the long conic
and then it just circles and circles, and you think
you're dying. And especially the first time it happens, if

(46:23):
it's never happening before, you just can't get aaron your
lungs and you think you gotta call Amiultstaus you're dying.
What's happened is happening, so freaking scary. And that started
happening because of my my anxiety of being in this relationship.
And I'm not putting it all on the woman. It's
not all her responsibility. I was, I was, but you
were broken, Hollywood man, and you came out here because

(46:45):
of her, thinking that that that would save the relationship.
And and it didn't because when I got out of here,
the pressures were so strong, and I remember I was
doing homesick and I was calling, um, would you go
back to Jersey after that? So I was out here
and I would call on the landline. I would call
on her land line. Again. I didn't ever sell yet.
And she had a cell, I remember, and it was

(47:07):
sort of like it was a time when it was
kind of fancy to have a self and and she
would give it to me during the day, but I
didn't want to use it because it was expensive. But
I would call my family and friends on her land line.
And remember she got her landline long distance bill and
she was like, what is this and I think it
was like a hundred bucks or something, and I was like, oh,
I just you know, a bit homesick, just checking over Google.

(47:28):
She's like well, that's a lot of money. You should
you should reimburse me for this. And I was like, okay, yeah,
you're right, I'm sorry. So I remember I was giving
her the money for the landline usage. How are you
paying her from that when you had no money? That
turned tricks. I also never talked about this at the

(47:51):
Ralphs around the UM so UM. So then what happened
after that happed? So so we ended the relationship obviously,
it was just it was it was not healthy for
either one of us. And and then I moved in
with Michael Weston, UM, and I got it. I got
a job together. Yeah, Michael Weston and I did the

(48:11):
movie together. UM. And then I called an old friend
who was no. I didn't know Blania Banta. You guys
worked in college together, right. I knew it was an
acquaintance in college, but it wasn't until Broken Hearts Club
where the audition, where we got reacquainted and we became
friendly again. But so what happened The next place we're

(48:34):
gonna go to is UM where I waited tables. I
called an old friend. I had never waited on a
table in my life, but I knew there was a
hot there was a very hot restaurant in town called
Look Colonial. It was a French Vietnamese restaurant, and I
just happened to know a friend of my old friend
of mine was the manager. And I called her and
I said, look, I need your help. I have never

(48:54):
waited on the table, and I know this is a
very fancy restaurant, but I'm a bit destitute. I really
need a job. Please help me. And she did. She
brought me on. She said, you're gonna have to fake
it till you make it because I don't know anything.
I didn't know how to use the computers. I didn't
know anything. And she, this woman really saved me and

(49:16):
I got a job at the restaurant. And and that's
when that's a good movie right there in itself too though,
you know what I mean, Like that's like Swingers kind
of where you know you come, but every everybody's story
is very familiar to Swingers. That was what made that
movie so amazing. But it's like you move out to
Hollywood to become something that you dream about, and they

(49:40):
don't tell you about the crazy stuff that goes on
before that all happens. They don't tell you about being
broke and living in your girlfriend's house with two dickheads
who want you out, you know what I mean. They
don't tell you about a landlord or a fucking neighbor
who just wants to make your life a living hell.
They don't tell you about no dough and how it's

(50:02):
really hard to eat out here when you don't have money,
and yeah, there's always a light at the end of
the tunnel. Uh. You know, for me, it was for me,
it was clueless. For you, it was your friend that
worked at that was a manager at a restaurant. This
woman I'll never forget she saved me and she, um,
she put me on. And if y'all remember the opening

(50:23):
scene of Garden State or the opening sequence where I'm
working in a French Vietmese restaurant, I was all based
on this real life experience. I already did put it
in a movie. Um yeah, but um, it was very
hard time because I I had never I was dealing with.
When even started attacks, it's it's like You're like, is
this going to be a part of my life? Like

(50:43):
how do I get this under control? And I really
had to start seeing the therapist to to start tackling
it because basically my anxiety kind of it's kind of
like the dam breaks and your anxiety reaches a point
for some people, I'm one of them, where you it's
like the damn broke. Like panic attacks are are are
a possibility now if you if you dip into red,

(51:08):
that's all you need is that little bit of a
little bit of a panic like one panic attack, and
then you'll have them for the rest of your life.
That's why it goes well, No, you just first of all,
you know how to prevent it from happening. You also
know how to handle it when it does happen. Um,
you gain a whole tool chest that you didn't have.
But it's like if you think about a car needle
going into red all of a sudden, it's like you

(51:30):
break through and there and you realize that that is
a possibility that that can happen to you, and so
you need to manage it, just like your car manages
changing gears. Right, Well, I mean you must have some
experience with this. Yeah, it would happen to me when
I was very broke, and I very similarly like came
out here also with five thousand dollars, which is strange yeah,

(51:50):
it was what was left over from the way. For
those of you listening, don't try to move to l
A with five grand. Now. It was done in like
six lasted six months. I didn't last that long. It
was very It was very chaotic and horrible, and I
was broke but fortunate enough to work in an industry

(52:10):
that was constantly shipping me around the world to cover
different events. But it was like my first time being
out on my own and it was a lot of
new things. But also when I landed, I didn't have
any money, so I was like, where are you feeding
the journalists? Like we have bagels here. I will eat
four bagels and that won't be like breakfast and lunch
and then we'll figure out dinner later. And so yeah.
When I was at uh TIP, which is Toronto International

(52:32):
Film Festival, I had been having like small panic attacks
where it's like, okay, I can I can just really
breathe and work on it and get through it. But
I had overbooked myself and I was doing red carpets
for like the second time in my life, and those
are very stressful as a journalist, and uh I had
a pang attack so bad. I had to like I
didn't know where I wasn't or how I was gonna

(52:52):
get back to my place, and I didn't have any money,
and I was like I couldn't inhale And luckily my
friend was like, well, my hotel is like two blocks away.
You make it. And I was like, just get me there.
We'll find out what happens. We got there, I just
lay on the floor and I just curled him into
the veto position. And luckily she has so many things,
so can she give me a counpin or something? And
that just knocked me out. It was so bad, like

(53:14):
they are. I wouldn't wish paying attacks on my worst enemy.
They just come out of nowhere and they're so debilitating.
But zex right, like once you get your tool kit
in order and you know, like, okay, it's happening, I
know how to work through it. Also, you're not gonna
die once once you have once your brain goes no,
you won't die from this, like calm down, um. But
the first time it happened, I remember I was in

(53:34):
a theater and I was sitting next to Oh, this
is crazy, but I was sitting next to my acting professor,
David Downs, and I was taking. I had taken him
to see a play that I had seen in New
York and I really liked, and I wanted to show
it to him because it was it was a production
out here. Production out here was a totally different cast,
and it was not nearly as good. And we're sitting

(53:54):
in the audience, and I just I felt embarrassed. I
wanted to impress him that I had found a play.
He was like my my mentor that I that he
would really like. And he's one of those guys. My
dad was the same way, like when they don't like something,
they want to let you know. So there's a lot
of like my dad would do the same thing in
a movie theater. He wanted everyone to know him around
him that he did. It was not like in the movie.

(54:19):
It was so it's such an annoying trait my dad
like like not like NFL. But I remember my acting
teacher was sort of not vibing and was was doing
some sighing, and I just and I felt embarrassed. And
I knew the play wasn't as good as what I've
seen in New York, and I, of course the ingredients

(54:40):
were all there. I was already in an anxious state.
And I remember my lungs tightened up and I was like,
I couldn't breathe. It was like someone was standing on
my chest. And I was like, and and then then me,
your brain does? What is your brain do? He goes
you start playing it out, You go, oh my god,
the animal is gonna have to come. I'm gonna be
on a stretcher. All these people will be filtering at
this theater seeing me on a stretcher. Oh my god,
what is my professor going to think? And just start snowball? Snowball? Snowballing?

(55:04):
That's called spiraling? How did you get out of that one?
And now I'll tell you how I got out of it?
Was a miraculous I was able to do it. But
I had taken a few yoga classes and I was
I was starting newly into getting in yoga, and a
big part of yoga is quieting your mind and doing long,
quiet breaths. And while watching this play quote quote unquote,
watching I sat next to this dude and went into

(55:27):
a yoga breath session where I was just slowing down
my breath in and ah, And I fully I didn't
know what it was. I didn't know it was a
panic attack, but I talked myself down. When I was
a kid, they used to take us to my parents
and my aunts and uncles and everything like that. Used
to take all of the kids to the ashram and

(55:50):
in New York, and you know, there was this dude
mud Nanda and this uh. When he passed away, his
protege uh cool Ramaya took over. And I remember seeing
people like you know, Lisa Bonet, like a bunch of
actors and stuff there and what you would do literally,

(56:10):
you would just go there and you would you know,
either work as you know, labor on the at the ashram,
or you would meditate. And I remember that, you know that.
I remember when I first it was like, you're literally
sitting there. Oh nahma sheva right. And so when I

(56:42):
moved out to Los Angeles and my mom, being the
awesome mother that she is, she gave me a cassette
of that. She's like, if ever you feel like you are,
you know, not gonna make it, put the s on
and just relax. And you know, so I would play

(57:05):
that stuff. Wow. My cousins, my cousins still do that.
My all of them do that. It's it's yeah, it's
definitely chanting um yoga really um. By the way, if
you're someone listening, who's who suffering from this? First and foremost,
see see a qualified therapist. But also something that I
think is I highly recommend is getting into yoga and

(57:28):
meditation because that was the most valuable thing if you
need it. Obviously there are medications that can help you,
but the thing you can do right off the bat,
even before you explore medications, is is taking yoga class. UM,
get into meditation, which are many apps we talked about before.
There's no shrum out here actually too, it's not the same.

(57:51):
It's not the same people, and it's not the same chanting.
But you're just literally like anything like that, anything that
calms you down and gives you an opportunity to uh
look inward. It really helps with a lot of stress
and everything like that. Like I'd love to take my
wife to something like that, but I fear that she'd
freaking clown me, Like, Babe, let's go to the She's

(58:13):
like the osher, what it was like, she'd be open.
So anyway, there's the routes where I would eat Classic Rouse,
Giant Petco. You used to shop at that raups. I
still do. I used to live right around the corner.
We would walk there. It was you want to go
right to Beverly, Come on my own boys, Damn, I

(58:35):
might want to talk about as far this is not
called fake doctor's real friends and the DJ don't know.
Feel like this is the biggest sunroof I've ever seen. Yeah,
oh my god, it's so long. I don't want to burn.
Do you want to open it? Go ahead? Do you

(58:56):
want to burn? Like? Oh no? He did the whole
length of the car to the back and roof combined.
It is nice sun roof, beautiful, acting like you designed it. Alright.
So we're driving now into West Hollywood. And so the

(59:19):
restaurant this is where my next chapter of my Hollywood
story began when I got a job of restaurant. The
restaurant's gone now, it's now like a store. So this
place right here, do you recall me trying to bring
you here one night because we couldn't find a cloud
to go to. And you brought me here and and
you were like, this motherfucker is bringing me to where

(59:40):
I used to work. Your words, was closed this place
when I was working here, this was the hottest place
in town. It was meant to be a restaurant. It's
it's a it's a chain. There's there's chains, the wrong word.
It's there. It's a very high end restaurant. But there
were five of them across the country at the time,
and this was the l a out post and it
was very popular and it was meant to be this restaurant.

(01:00:00):
But on the second floor was a bar, and the
bar was the spot at the time. Did you come yeah, man,
I remember I was broke, Okay, So after cluelessen in
between scrubs, I had no money. I spent all my
money on a house because I was having a I was,
I had kids. I just had to two kids, Dote
and Kaya were born, and so I spent all of

(01:00:22):
his money to house myself and my girlfriend at the time,
um so that we could live right. And my buddy
Kevin Jordan's used to always try and get me to
go out because he was new. He was he was
in Hollywood for about the same amount of time that
I was, but he was trying to develop himself as

(01:00:43):
a director and all that stuff, and so he would
be like, yo, come out with me, come out with me.
And one night he brought me here and I had
no do. I think I had something like forty bucks
on me, so, you know, literally, and I remember my wife,
my girlfriend at the time, being like, you know, you
might need that for gas. This is okay, all right,

(01:01:09):
And so we went out and I drank my forty
dollars like that, and so I had to ask my
buddy if he could buy me some drinks. But I
remember being up in there and it was packed and
it felt like we were sitting on the floor at
one point, you know what. It was the spot and
I didn't really go upstairs because I was a waiter
on the main floor, and um, it was very, very hard.

(01:01:33):
I became very good friends with all of the people
that worked here. You know, there's so much camaraderie when
you're awaite staff and you're going through at the tables. Gosh,
on a Saturday night, it was just insanity. And I remember,
if you've ever waited tables, there's times when you have
this computer and you you put in all the orders
and you look at the table and it's you're so slams.
You're in the weeds, as they say, and you're like,

(01:01:53):
oh my goodness, why does that table not have their
appatizers yet, and then you look in the computer and
you never put it because he would just so swam
and mind you, I'd never done this before, and it
is so hard in the beginning, well in the beginning, yeah,
I've never done it. I mean to go from It
wasn't like I was starting in like a slow diner.

(01:02:14):
I was. I went from zero to a packed SNY
Beverly Hills restaurant, just like in the movie. I wore
a beige tunic. I didn't do I make up, and
we didn't have earpieces, but I added that. But one
thing that is true from Garden State is that the
manager would jokingly tell me in the movie, I'm it's
actually George C. Wolf and he's being serious. But she

(01:02:36):
would joke in something she would hold up head shots
because people would try and get a job there by
showing their head shot for some reason, and she'd be like,
you see all these head shots every day. I get
these head shots. So if you're late again, I guess
who's getting your job and hold up the head shot.
And I put that in Garden State, he goes, George C.
Wolf goes so and so from Duluth, Minnesota is going

(01:02:57):
to get your job. Your retention level is still high.
Um coffee, baby. I really want to look up in
the manual what the other icons are. I really want
to hit this parking button and see what this car does.
You want to try to pay a little parkings somewhere. No,
I don't want to. I don't want to do it.
I don't want to do that, but I kind of do.

(01:03:19):
Let's go on the road. Oh my god, look at that.
As he's backing up. I told you there's an it's there.
They're fish hye lenses in the sides of the car.
But looked, Daniel, that's from above. How could that possibly work?
It come? It looks like that? Sure, looks at the wheels.

(01:03:39):
The wheels were a lot bigger than it looks because
it's really just fish eye lenses that are just on
the side of the car. Really. Yeah, that's incredible. I've
never seen that in the car before. All right, So
now we're getting in our our tour of Hollywood continues.
We're driving up of a very posh street in West
Hollywood called Robertson where there's lots of fancy stores Pizzana's
around here too. Well. Yeah, so now we're on to

(01:04:02):
Melrose to Chon. Very nice restaurant. If you come to
lah that's a great one. Here's catch l A if
you want to come have the c experience. I was
one of the original owners of catch ll none of it,
and I got bought out because because that's what you
do when they offer you money. Yes, oh yeah, money.

(01:04:23):
And someone had the upfront party here and everyone it's
a very popular place to have parties. We went to
an NBC Universal party. What do you say, I say, right,
we went to an upfront party. They're not an upfront
NBC Universal party there once and let me tell you something,

(01:04:45):
right now, go ahead, and when you have money to
eat well in the city, that's true, when you have money.
We're mentioning places that are not cheap currently, but we're
in the not cheap area right although fairly priced right here,
play Zinky z I n q Ui. Have you ever
come to Inside and Outside Dining Might across the street

(01:05:08):
from the Pacific Design Praises where I saw get out
for the first time at the Design Center. Yeah, they
had they do uh luxury black press screening. This place
coming up also, Great Earth cafe. Also, my favorite place
to shop is coming up right now. It's called Dragon Ball.

(01:05:30):
I thought you were gonna say cookies, and I was
gonna be like, it's my favorite place. Like Earth Cafe.
Back when I was eating chicken, they make a curry
chicken salad sandwich. Change in life, it's curry. It's curry
flavoring in a chicken salad. Really good. Also designed within reach.
If you want a Herman Miller chair for twice as
much money as it usually called. Really, I didn't know

(01:05:51):
they marked it up. It's it's sixpensive. Are you gonna
go left unlocked? Cienaga. Hey, we were about to pass
one of our all time favorites back in the day.
It's no longer our all time favorite. But we used
to go to this restaurant right here all the time.
You used to go to that spots Fancy and there's

(01:06:13):
uh yeah, there's some good restaurants on this this part
of the town. I remember when this was the Spanish Kitchen.
You used to go to the Garlic Stinking Rose Yet
to chow. Still, you know, I haven't gone to Fog
to chow in a long time actually, but that is
one of my favorite restaurants. What is Brazilian Brazilian barbecue.

(01:06:38):
It's the kind where you like, flip the thing and
they just keep bringing you cut to meat. They're like,
would you like? Would you like? And you just shave
it off onto your plate and then when you're done,
you flip it over. You do you got a green
side of the red side? I got on this next
block here, I really roll backwards? Um or did somebody

(01:06:59):
roll back on you? I almost fell backwards a little bit.
Oh at the top of this is, by the way,
this is the worst stick shift street intersection because it's
because it's very steep, very we're last to get meat.
Sunset is advanced because the problem is is that people
assume that you're in an automatic car these days and

(01:07:21):
they pull up right behind you. So there's no room
to roll back at all, and you gotta be you
gotta be on it to which is weird, but a
stick shift because even when you're on flat surfaces, it
seems like it backs up for Yeah, but this is
like this part of l is not too hilly, um,

(01:07:45):
but right there is. That's a that's a tough intersection. Um.
So we're now going to head to the Disney Yeah,
not to be confused with disney Land. For those of
you not in the business, Well I'm explaining for people
that have no thought we were going to Disneyland. Sorry, kids,

(01:08:11):
We're going to a want in California venture. Okay, we
are not doing the sorry continuing you want to go right, yeah, um,
we wouldn't. Keeping my baby, I want to go to Disneyland,
right exactly. That place is not good. This place Carney is.

(01:08:35):
This is my chili dog spot really stopped even there
after my hot dog looked like a damn plumb Remember
this one Cobo canteena that used to be the jam
when that was a parking lot. Right, there's a place
coming up called Pinche's Tacos. No, the pink tacos that's

(01:08:57):
right here is where I work out unbreakable performance up
there on above the pink taco. Alright, well see you're there,
pink taco like this is called up here. See it
says Pinche's Taco, which is funny because pinches means fucking
in Spanish. So the place is called Tacos Tacos. Alright,
getting the left lane here, bra, do you want to

(01:09:18):
do that or do you want to get on the
one on one all the way up? Are you gonna
be able to get on the one thirty four that way? Yeah?
You are. No, Wait, we're trying to get to We're
trying to get a burbank. Yeah. Oh, I would just
take this down across the taking down by the way.
This is by the way for those of you listening,
this is how you have to talk about getting around

(01:09:38):
l A. You've seen it on SNL in the California's
so real the realist, the realist conversation, the elaborate conversations
about how to navigate to the four old five got
to the tin. What's going on over there yesterday? Do
you remember when hide was here? Oh, this is gone?
I think that Where is it? It's right here where

(01:09:58):
it's a sneaker garden. It's so this we're we're passing
where where this is must be eight oh two nine sunset,
right across from Blats and yeah. So if you're gonna
follow our our journey one day, it's it's three doors
down from Green Bats Deli. And that was the hotspot

(01:10:21):
small nightclub that Donal and I used to go to.
That's before you with Casey before hied y that was
that was everywhere. Now it was real famous, it got
real famous. But the original little one was there, and
Donald and I gett into lots of high jinks hikes.

(01:10:43):
Remember Jessica Simpson once came in wearing Daisy Dukes and
a and a and a flannel to and I said
to her, someone got to keep their wardrop. I thought
it was funny, But Donald Crimson Casey might have someone

(01:11:08):
got the keeper wardrobe hard well she was. She was
dressed like like now that that always cracked me up.
Me and Donald showing up in scrubs. That's exactly what

(01:11:29):
it would be like. Actually. All right, So since we're
added to the Disney lot, let's talk about our experience.
So when you're we've told you if you're avid listening
to the podcast about Something's before. But at the very
end of your audition process, there's two final steps, the
last two hurdles you have to go through. You have
to go to the studio and audition in front of

(01:11:52):
their executives, and then you go to the network and
you audition. If you make it past the studio level,
then you make it too that I didn't have to
do that at I don't think mine was on the
Disney lot. I don't remember where it was. I remember
it was like a really tiny room. Though, Um, your
studio tests, you didn't have to do it. My studio

(01:12:12):
test was Zucker's first, uh first, right, My my network
test was my studio test. Also they were everybody was
in the room, if I'm if I'm correct, I didn't
audition for scrubs as many times as you did, right, Well,
maybe because you were famous. I had I had competition.
There were three. There were two dudes whom I knew

(01:12:34):
very well and partied with, and and they both auditioned
for scrubs at the studio with me, and I still
blew the audition man. One of them almost got that
job if it wasn't for Bill coming out and be like, dude,
come on, get it together. But it's a lot of

(01:12:54):
pressure because you start auditioning in smaller locations and all
of a sudden, by the way, this all this all
goes full circle because where we're going was also this
is the route I would take to take that girlfriend.
And I told you about to her job, and I
would drop her off on this very same lot. So
my life came No keep going to go to court

(01:13:18):
only get on the freeway. No, that's a side street
also that you can turn onto gets the barn. Yeah,
I took the one on one. Okay, yeah it's a
it's it's Coanga Boulevard actually, but he's just saying to
I know, but there's a the side street over here
is Coanga also next to the freeway and then it
turns into Highland. Huh wild Oh, I know what you're

(01:13:42):
talking about. Where here it goes on the side of
the freeway left and then you cross over. Totally I
know what you mean. Yeah, totally also valid that the
quarner we just passed. That's my favorite burger in l
A right now. There Wednesday through Sunday on the corner
of Sigamore Laba or a Sigamore and Sunset. It's a

(01:14:02):
pop up called Chris and Eddies. They're about to have
their first brick and mortar at Western and Sunset and
they do a smash slider and it's my favorite burger
right now. Correct side note that I will cut out
of your cut that you keep it. In the episode,
we're shouting out all of these great restaurants and we're

(01:14:22):
telling people who don't live in l A when they
come to l A where to go eat? When you
moved out? Here was the spaghetti factory still there? No,
maybe it was. I don't I've never been there. What
is that I've heard? It was like it was literally
what it's called a spaghetti factory and it was the
worst tasting spaghetti. You whatever. It's a well, it's a franchise.
So it's like they have one right across from the

(01:14:46):
San Diego Convention Center. Every year. One of the groups
of fifty a half to meet it was like, let's
just go to spahetti factory. Please, No, I'll just get
a drink. Yeah, it's fine. Um. Anyway, everything kind of
came full sir, because now I was on the verge
of getting a really life changing job and it just
happened to be on the very same back lot. I

(01:15:09):
think it's always so trippy when there is a place
where you have all of these bad memories and then
you come back better, stronger. Well, it's really interesting. There's
so there are some places where I'm like, I don't
think I've ever done a movie or a project for this,
for this studio, you know what I mean? Like I
haven't done a paramount job since Clueless. I think if

(01:15:29):
I'm if I'm correct, and you know, uh, Warner Brothers.
I remember I couldn't break I couldn't get into a
Warner Brothers anything for the longest and the last few
things that I've done have been Warner Brothers. Um. But
I remember being like driving by because you know how
they put the pictures up on the on the sides
of the studios, Like I don't think I've ever been

(01:15:50):
Maybe I've been in a Sony thing. Yeah I did.
Brak Donovan was at Sony. But do you know how
you drive by and you see all these pictures in
you like, one day that's gonna be my picture. That's
yet to happen until Scrubs. When we did Rubs and
it went into syndication, and I remember us being on
every fucking bus in New York City and all my
friends being like, dude, you are everywhere right now. That

(01:16:12):
was the old Hollywood Athletic Club, right there is the
best place to have a fancy dinner event, play pool
and everything. But um, I remember being like this is
the best. Wow, I've made it when the bus drove by.
I remember going to New York. And it's not dawning
on me that I was on the bus until somebody

(01:16:32):
was like. I was sitting in the car with my
dad and he looked over and he was like, get
the He was like, look at this, and I looked
over and it was us scrubbing in whatever the post was,
three of us where it was in New York, like
on some street, and he and just my dad being like, wow,
my son is on a bus. But I was oblivious
to it, you know what I mean, Like I looked

(01:16:53):
over when I was like, yeah, I know, I was.
I hate when people do that. Sorry, I'm sorry. My
wife does that ship You might want to turn right. Sorry,
I'm reminding you. Listen, man, I'm ham Solo, aren't you Bacca?
Look our ip an the music. This was our our
last great giant, freaking arc light, our last great beautiful

(01:17:17):
movie theater. The last place I saw a movie was
the arc Light before pandemic happened. Here's here's the question.
Who buys the arc Light or who buys the romedon?
Friend Tarantino does. He's got enough money to do it.
So well's the Hollywood landmark, so let's protected. They can't no, no, no,
they're not tearing it down. But I just think it'll
be the Netflix romon. Oh, that's that'd be really cool. Actually,

(01:17:39):
are buying a lot of your estate out here. I'm
gonna check here. Okay, so check this out on. Let
me check your total level. It's still high. Hold on,
check this out where the r is. My first manager
ever in the history of being managed was Tracy Edmonds,
and this was Edmonds Entertainment right here where we are.

(01:17:59):
And this prompted one night Zack and I got to
go to the Playboy mansion. We went with Tracy Edmonds
and we went to Kenny Babyface Edmund's house. You remember
how big that thing was. That thing was like this,
so it was enormous. This was this was his thing.
And right here this used to be a convenience store

(01:18:19):
that wasn't really a convenient store, was a week spot
for station. Look at and none of them got on masks.
I know, the master done, I guess. Look at these
people and not even it looks like, um, oh my god,
that seems like irresponsible. Um. And we just passed the

(01:18:41):
Hotel Cafe, which is where a lot of our friends
play music. And it's a great place to see love
of music. If you come to Los Angeles, Well this
right here, you remember this, Vinald Joseph's right, Joseph, Yes,
this was a clerk. I remember seeing you think I
want to spend rest of my life living on Yuka.

(01:19:05):
That's Vince Vaughn and the masterpiece made. I still say this,
man to this day. Vince Vaughn and uh Bro fab
need to do another one. I'm ready me too, because
I don't know if enough people saw a Maide. I
don't know if enough people saw swingers. Everyone saw swingers.
I don't know, man, everyone and saw swingers is old now?

(01:19:27):
Is it still relevant? Like? Does it still feel the
same If you're listening to this and you haven't seen swingers,
you can see swingers and then you need to follow
it with me. You stole my then, and I don't
like you for me. This is my prede movie, man

(01:19:49):
oh man. So we're on our way to the Disney Lot,
which you can you know, I don't know if they
give tours of the Disney law not anymore. They used to.
It's a will place though. Fun fact about the Disney
Lot helped build it. Um He was planning to build
Disneyland right next to it. But the city of Bourbay
was like, you're going to make us look like a carneytown.

(01:20:10):
Get out, uh and so that's when they went to
uh Anaheim. But as he was building up the lot,
he reature all of the buildings were earthquake proof. So
it's quite being built in like the early fifties. You
if you look at it, all the bricks are made
so that as they shift, they kind of like ship
and hold back into one another so won't fall down.
It's great still to this day, considered earthquake proof. That's smart. Wow,

(01:20:32):
he was a smart guy, very forward thinking. Um. The
the lot itself is featured. Um, if you want to
see it in the Tom Hanks movie about the making
of Mary Poppins. What's that you call him something Mrs Something,
Mr Banks, Mr Saving Mr Bank. So um, obviously it

(01:20:55):
really took place there, that the experience of making Mary Poppins,
and they there's all sorts of shots on the lot
of Tom Hanks being Walt Disney quick tidbit. What a
lot was La La Land comed on? That's a good question.
My guests would be Warner brother being very good, right,
very god so when you're an actor in Hollywood and
you're going on auditions, you have to drive around, often

(01:21:16):
to cast rigor's offices, but very often if it's television shows,
um to the actual back lots and there's let's say
five or six major ones and they're all spaced over town.
So back in the old school way of doing pilot season,
you could have five or six auditions a day, and
you'd have one over here, and then the next one

(01:21:38):
would be forty five minutes away, and then then one
after that will be back over here. And when I
first moved out here, I think I've told you this.
I didn't. We didn't have GPS, so and I had
no idea where I was going. He was the name
of that book that you had to get, the Thomas
Thomas Thomas Guy, and it was this elaborate map that
was like three inches thick book. I got that as
a present for my sixteenth birthday, and my mom was like,

(01:22:00):
you're initiated, right. It was like ABC. It was like
all the numbers of the letters and then all the
numbers too. To coincide, GPS was perfect for l because
it's just such but that's how studios would get you
to the audition. They'd be like, it's page such and
such and such and such and the Thomas Guide. And
you'd like, Okay, to get to here, I have to

(01:22:22):
do this, and then you'd have to trace it back
to where you are and the Thomas Guide and how
would connects navigation alone? It was I told you, I
think I told you. My brother would draw me these
elaborate hand drawn maps. He'd be like, this is he'd
be like, this is from Europe, from our place to
audition one, from audition one to two, and different page
from audition three to four. Big. He was amazing. It

(01:22:43):
was very sweet, and he was an artist, so they
were like beautiful. I wish I still had them. That
sounds like a game show in itself, giving some like
millennials or a gen kids, a Thomas guy being like, okay,
get here. The other thing that sucked about living on
Detroit Street to get over here was always traffic. There's
always traffic in this area, whether it's going this way

(01:23:05):
or this way at some point in the day, right,
So if you worked over here to get back, it
would take at least an hour just to get through
this whole bar, this bar and pass is tough. Now
over here is the oak Wood. Well, they don't call
the oak Woods anymore, but it's a It was temporary
housing where a lot of actors who would come into
town for a little while they would stay there, and

(01:23:27):
children very often. There was a documentary that was amazing. Um, well,
can you look it up for me. It's a documentary
about child actors and the oak Wood apartments. And because
their families would come into town for pilot season and
they'd live in these in these houses and uh, it

(01:23:49):
was something like two thousand three that four thousand dollars
a month or some crap just to live with it though, man,
and and it was if you didn't get the furnished
one like it was. This was it was a pain
in the butted Hollywood Complex. That's what it's called, all right.
If you guys want to watch a documentary about it's
called the Hollywood Complex. And I think they finally rebranded

(01:24:10):
it because it has such a negative connotation. Seriously, So
now it's called the Ava Woods. What we're not woods,
We're not no, no, no, it's different now. And this
is the back of my mercies. This is the universal back.
Like I had a fitting over here for Josie and
the Pussycat, and then over here is the Warner brother lot.

(01:24:31):
Now we're just pulling up to the Warner Brothers lot.
I love the Warner Brothers back. But it's so pretty.
It's very pretty before the fire. What was that two
years ago? Now that that ancient Western set where like
everyone brothers Western sho oh, No, that wasn't here. That
was something that was Actually that's a different lot. It is.
The Western lot was an actual lot. Well, they have

(01:24:53):
a Western set here, I know because I took ny
seems to film on another and why New York Film
acady since film there all the time. Here's the posters, posters,
you're still I was hoping to be in this one
next year. You know you're not there right now. You
need to be young Sheldon. Did you audition for young Sheldon?
You could have been young audition for Sheldon. You could

(01:25:13):
have an old Sheldon. All American. Look at Ta Digs
like Ta Diggs. Baby Diggs made the All American. It's
like the c w's number one show. Dude. It's like
a modern Friday Nightlights. Oh really yeah, and Ta Diggs
has a really big part in it. It's about football, yes,

(01:25:35):
and then their spinoff is about h S b C.
Did I say that right? HBC? Thank your HBC. I
don't know why I think HSP and universities. I was like, wait,
this billboard has always been so key to me, and
um this one here we're in the h and that's
like such an iconic spot because everyone who comes into

(01:25:58):
this part of the valley where all the lots are
see that billboard everything. And when I made Going in
Styles for Warner Brothers, who controls that billboard, and I
was like, I have one request. Can I we at
least be on that billboard? And they said yes, So
we had like a month up there. Let's go because
it's just such a pivotal course that billboard in the
valley and everyone sees it. Everyone sees it, all right,

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this is usually the gate right up here, at this
next gate, around this corner, and everything's audition around this
car and you go down there. Huh. But they bring
the actors in the back door and I want you
messing up the front and you guys ever owned or
stayed in one of the bungalows. No, No, that's my dream.
I want to just live in one of the nobody

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lives there, but Bill's Bill's offices in one of those worlds.
So cool. Um, alright, so we're getting close. This place
ridiculous and the apartments above it are so over We're
just like about the whole foods Like Nope, I think

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I'm trying overside. So we are now passing the Heart Studios.
Heart Theater is to year ago we showed up for
the Heart Podcast Awards. This is where jay Leno used
to be Old Studio. It's where they shoot all of
the overatch, overwatches, overwatches video games. For those of you

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who don't know why you guys talked about that for
a second. This has started cam, one of the last
places in town still develops film blessed. We're really getting
a good tour of aus. I really feel like you
guys should if you if you're listening and you come
be a tourist here, you should just listen to this
and follow us. This is how you do it, hun

(01:27:55):
Date two sar Um and then you follow our map.
So go right here, Donald, here's the Disney lot we
can show actually the entrance school went in. Look at
those mouses. Do you know how many mouses are all up.
I think it's nice. I think it's mice. Look at
just mice. You know how many mister up there in
the right lane. Maybe this is Providence High School. My
brother coached basketball here. Well, anyway, that's where I entered

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trying to tell you a story. Where can we pull it?
Go and pull in the Providence High School? Well, careful,
good thing. The Honda Tuson told us. It warned us
that I want to override what it thinks is your
attention level and tell them you're not a full coffee.
Let's take a We'll be right back after these fine words. Yeah,

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So what can I tell you? I had a regiment
that I followed when I started getting callbacks for scrubs.
I was I would wear the same outfit, blue button
down shirt I still have. I had a little bit
of facial scruff which I kept. And then I went
to this June him and run on the treadmill for
thirty minutes. And then I had these songs. So I

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pulled into that parking lot on the Disney lot, and
I had a series of songs I would play to
get me myself amped up, and one of them was
a radio head song called stop Whispering, and the lyrics
were essentially stop whispering, start shouting, and I interpreted it

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as like for myself, stop lip being small, stopped playing tiny,
like go big, you know when I had one of those.
I had two songs that were like that, and they
were both by eminem on his first LP, and it
was rock Bottom and it was I Just Don't give

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a fuck, and I used to play I Just Don't
give a funk after every audition, whether I blew it
or I got it right. You know. It was one
of those things where it was like, you know, like
that album for some reason really touched on, you know,
before scrubs. Like I said, before I was I had

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once again, I was broken. I spent all this money
on this house, and you know, I wasn't managing my
money well or anything, and I, uh, I everything just
never seemed to go the right way, you know what
I mean. It just seemed like no matter what I did,

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I couldn't get there. Whether I trained really hard or
you know, or whether I studied the night before, I'd
get in the room and I'd literally black out and
be like, uh, ship was my first line was My
first line was my first line was my first line,
and it kept happening. And when Scrubs came around, thank

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goodness it didn't happen. And thank goodness for Bill to
be honest with you, man, because I don't know. I
don't know what about him at being such a great cheerleader.
I don't know that I would have There's no way
I would have gotten this part. Like I say that too.
I say that to a lot of people. I'm one
of the worst auditioners you'll ever meet. But if you

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give me the role and give me some time to
work with you, I'll deliver what you're looking for. Well,
it's a good lesson to for for people filmmakers and
creators out there. Like someone you love, you know, chokes
at the audition, Like, don't give up on them because
they know it's so there's so much pressure, you know,

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here we are, it's just like athletes. I'm sure you're
you're in the locker room, so to speak. Although I'm
in my Nissan to Fort SX and I'm trying to
get myself, you know, psyched up to not mess this up.
Everything's on the line right now. It doesn't matter how
many times I did it. Right before. All that matters
is that when I go in this room, I'm gonna
do it right now. And so I would listen to
that song stop whispering to be like, you know you've

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been you've been being small, you've been you you, you
haven't been bringing your best, you haven't been bringing you
a game. You're gonna go in there and start shouting.
And another song I would live listen to was blind
Melon song, Um, no Change, just afraid to change? That
song about well, it's not necessarily that co music you

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listen to, but you you know, we know that, righty,
you listen to no listen to all music now. But
at that point in time, anyway, change was about like
being afraid of change and and not and and being
intimidated by by I don't know, I interpreted is being
intimidated by starting a new chapter where you're living your

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full your fullest and your being your best and your
fully self expired. You know that's that's scary as fun
for a lot of people. That's you know what I mean, Like,
the fear of success is real. I don't care who
you are, you fear of the unknown and if you've been,
if you haven't been successful your whole life, and it
come and and and you see it on the horizon.

(01:32:58):
That's the easiest way to talk yourself out and stuff.
I've been here for so long, you know what I mean.
I'm not gonna so what if it doesn't happen right
now for me? Like you find ways to talk yourself
out of it, that's pretty cool the man like you.
That was my turn. I'll get one four anyway. That's
really and I find that very refreshing that you know

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you could go it's blinking yellow, but there's cars coming
now it's red. Don't talking Chewi. This is Chewy for
fucking drive carefully. Thank goodness for the two song. All
these safety features. Look at all these safety features easy chewy.

(01:33:48):
Um No, But that's refreshing to know that you know
you're not the only one that feels that way, so
you know, to hear stories like that, that's great. I
definitely didink um. It's a good idea. You know. Obviously
we all see athletes on TV listen to music and
their selves psyched up. But I think it's a idea
for whatever you're doing. If you're going on a job interview,

(01:34:09):
if you're if you're whatever, whatever task is making you
nervous and anxious, put on a song of time having
sex with someone. Sure, I wasn't gonna say that, but short,
you're like in the bathroom, get fired up. Here, we
go hard to go home. You can harrd to go home.
You can go hard to go home like some romance music.

(01:34:34):
But that's a good way to start it off. It's
either that or on this hard of a smooth that
never works young. Whatever works for you, put it on
and give yourself like that. That's how I go on auditions.
I definitely recommend it for actors, putting on a song
that gives you confidence, that makes you feel like you

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got this. It definitely worked for me. Do you find
that when you go on auditions or and you don't
really care that much that you do a better job? Um?
You know, there's an expression I think of I think
I mentioned it before, maybe not but being committed but
not attached. And so I'm I'm committed, but I'm not

(01:35:17):
like desperately hanging on by my fingernails. I need this,
So it's like I'm committed. I'm gonna go do my best.
I'm gonna bring everything and everything that is in my
control will be at level ten. But I'm not in
a desperate place, like if this doesn't happen, I'm gonna
give up and die right right. That's hard because the

(01:35:37):
minute that good audition comes in, Like I remember I
auditioned for Red Tails, and I wanted it so bad,
but they kept telling me you're a little too old.
They didn't say you're a little too old. They were like,
you're too old for these parts. And I was like,
what are you talking about. I got such a baby face,
like you're a little too old. I think I was
like dirty at the time. And they were kids, and
you know, they're supposed to be kids in it, and

(01:36:00):
they were like, we have a role, but you know,
still you're a little to all. But we're gonna let
you audition for it. Guess who beat me out for
the part two method? Man Motherfucker's two Times in a
Row Gardens, stay and freaking. He said, I was two
old looking who beat me out? Sam Jackson? But uh yeah, man,

(01:36:21):
Like I remember wanting it so bad and studying so hard,
and you know, working with my wife on it, and
you know heard giving me, you know, critiques on how
I should do it. And everything, and me being like,
you're absolutely right, and you know, going in there and
just not even close to crossing crushing the audition, Like

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I blew it completely right, but I was so attached
to it. But I had animosity to the direct towards
the director. I was like, man, fuck you for not
hiring me, you know, like all of these things, dude,
Like I just I for a minute, I was so
piste off at George Lucas, you know what I mean,
like just everything because I really at that role and
I was so attached to getting that role. And it's

(01:37:05):
hard not to do that. It's hard. You don't have to.
There's only so much. There's only so much in your control.
Now you can't control. Did you really put in the
work and work on it. Did you really get memorized
and really know it backwards and forwards? Did you really
work on it in multiple different ways? Did you really prepare?
When I look back at it, I definitely did not,

(01:37:27):
you know what I mean? Like when I look back
at it, swing it off here, we can get off
the cold water, right or get off here? Okay? I
when I look back at it, I smoked so much
weed before I would study and I smoked weed before
the audition, and I might even drank the night before
to try, like, you know, trying to get into the
mode and feel creative and ship like that, and that

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you might feel good for a couple of takes, but
then that's a rap after that, bro, you know what
I mean? Like you're off in la la land. You're
not no unintended, You're not really got to right, You're
not really in it to win it. But that's just

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exactly what I'm saying, is that you don't look at
be really critical of of Did you truly, truly truly
bring your agga? Did you drink the night before? Did
you smoke a ton of weed that week before? This
is all just acting, but applied to your own life
in any way you can you know, did you? Is

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there anything you could have done to have made your
performance in the moment better? And uh? And then if
you've done that, you walk away and go, Okay, it's
out of my hands. Now. I did everything I could,
And I can tell you from being on the other
side of the table. When you're a director, it's just
you might come in and blow me away with your acting,
but you look too much like the other guy' already cast,

(01:38:54):
or you blow me where you're acting and you're no
way you're gonna be the brother of the woman I've
already cast. The reasons that are just so out of
your control, age or whatever. Yeah, you know, I didn't
give myself I know, looking back at it now, I
know I didn't give myself a chance to win. But
I was so caught up in the fact that it
was it was something that I wanted, and because I

(01:39:16):
wanted it, I should get it, you know what I mean?
Like there's that feeling of entitledment. He felt entitled that
comes with being in the game for so long, you know.
But that's the thing about Hollywood. I always tell young people,
nobody owes you any anything. Nobody owes you anything every
every every step of the way, you have to prove yourself.

(01:39:36):
Like careful, this woman is literally crossing the street with
a dog with no lesha. Like I dare them to
give me an audition for Star Wars, now, you know
what I mean, Like I dare you, triple dog, dare you?
But that has a sense of entitlement to it in
what way you're saying, Like I know that I would

(01:39:57):
be very prepared for that. I'm saying I misunderstood instead
of it, instead of being like, instead of being like, oh,
they're going to get getting emotional. Slow down, so we're
pulling up two well, I guess pull over here, dog
like that. Oh my goodness. So this is a weird
for us because this is not what it was anymore.
But this is a giant apartment building that used to

(01:40:17):
be the hospital. If you ever come here, it's at
the corner of Riverside and Wins. It across the street
from Mikado's, across the street from Mercado Japanese sushi bar,
which I never went to. They would bring it to
set sometimes. Oh really, then I guess I did have it.
And there's a famous um industry hair and makeup supply.

(01:40:39):
I don't know, don what do you feel. We spent
nine years of our life on this block. I never
thought they'd tear the hospital down to beyond. They always threatened.
Every year. They were like, we're going to tear it down.
The first thing, we're gonna make a senior home. I
think it is a senior No, it's not. It isn't. No.
That was that was like one of the plans. It
doesn't seem like a great place to live, like a
lot of these departments, like who lives there? Okay, look

(01:41:01):
how skinny that is, and we're mad at it being
a new building. We're gonna criticizing exactly, although I have
to say it is it is. It is like the
stereotypic developer threw up an apartment building. I don't know
why they all look like, I'm okay to ship on
it because they took our spot. I wish it was
still an abandoned hubble. You're housing so many people, I know,

(01:41:27):
But listen, you guys. This this this, this, There's no
more cartoonish example of some developer putting up an l
a apartment building than this. This is what they all
look like. I remember so many things, like I feel
like my dressing room was like right around there, you know,
and we so many shots like basically where this little
drive in right there is. This was this is the

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front lobby where all those scenes were. Um, you know
what's you know what's crazy. I remember because I lived
in the valley when we were making this. I lived
deep in the valley. I lived in Northbridge. But when
you would drive by this place on the one oh one.
I could literally point at my dressing room. That's my
dressing room. That's my dressing room. And then I knew

(01:42:08):
where Zax was, I knew where Sarah's was, I knew
where Johnny's was, and you know, it was oh man,
such great memories of you know, they gave us direct
TV once with like unlimited little things. They gave us
direct TV. They gave us direct TV with unlimited pay

(01:42:31):
per view. WHOA, No, it wasn't unlimited if we never
saw the bill, and so you would just written movies,
Oh my god. But I just remember being like, Wow,
this is amazing. And then like any new film that
came out, you could just watch it. And that was

(01:42:53):
sometimes wide and come to set because I was so
caught up in like, you know, the devil Wares products,
like you know, we um we uh. And then so
much of the show, if you know, the show, like
a lot of the listeners do, took place in that
parking lot that's um back there and it's a dirt,

(01:43:13):
but that was like a character. The parking lot was
sort of a character in the show. Happened there, and
you know, the great thing for us was, you know,
we just took you on a tour of some of
the back lots, and the thing about the back lots
is your Facebook. You're on fake sets, which can look amazing, obviously,
but there was something so magical about being off on
our own. All of it was real. We were in

(01:43:35):
a real hospital, and we built, as we've said before,
we built our sets into the hospital. And Bill had
no You know, sometimes when you're a lot, the executives
are always stopping by and giving you notes or saying
that Bill had no direct oversight here. No one came here,
no one, no one was going to come visit the
abandoned hospital, and he was really left to his own

(01:43:56):
devices to to make the show on his own. Out
I do, I do, I do miss that time in
my life. That was a really good time in my life.
Man Like I was making money, we were out, we
were something. We were the hit guys in Hollywood, if
you will, Like I remember Fred Savage coming up and

(01:44:17):
introducing himself to me and me being like, you're examples
of this. Not to this Fred Savage, he is awesome,
but your examples of celebrities you get stoked about, Like
I meant, Fred Wonder years was my gym speaking you
know the Wonder Years was my gym. Speaking of the
Wonder Years, though, is the new Dad on the Wonder Years?

(01:44:41):
Really it would be there would be something wrong if
we did a podcast they didn't say the words hill there. Well,
this was funny, guys. Yes, you know what's crazy is
that we just don't have enough time to go to
all the places that we lived, like an, all the
places that we experienced really cool things like there's you

(01:45:04):
know once uh I got put on with Clueless and
stuff like that. They're a bunch of places like I
had a there was an entourage house for me pretty
much and stuff. But you know that's for another show
and another time next time. This was really fun though,
it was. It was really fun and it makes me
want to do more things with you guys, Like we

(01:45:26):
should go on some adventures together. I like you when
we're in person. Our shows are always pops. We laugh
a lot. You guys are funny. All right, Well you
want to count us out with my friend about show
we made nurses around? Yeah around t m hmm