Real Friends Classic - 101: The Pilot / My First Day

Relive the very first episode where Zach and Donald talk about filming in an abandoned hospital, discuss the audition process, and explain why they were so starstruck by Sarah Chalke, aka Dr. Eliot. 

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Donald Donald, If you're not recording, I am going to
squeeze your balls.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well I've been recording since for like three minutes in
seventeen seconds, so there can be no ball squeeze. Here
we go, Hello, Hello everyone, three wait, three two. Here's
some stories.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
About show we made about a bunch of I said,
he's a story, so YadA.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Here Hello everyone. My name is Zach Braff.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hi, I'm Tonal Faison and.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
I can't believe it. But guess what, guys, We're gonna
do a Scrubs rewatch podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, that's exactly what we're doing. Dude, your voice changed
completely all of a sudden. We were all talking normal.
I know my podcast started. We're like, hey everyone, it
is I.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
I got nervous and I I felt like I should
sound like a radio broadcaster. But no, okay, I'm back
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
There we go. This is pretty exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
I gotta tell you, I'm very excited that we've been
talking about this for a long time. We've been trying
to figure it out. I've been teasing social media, as
have you been.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
You've been teasing social media a little bit more than
I have.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
But I know because I wanted to get people titillated. Donald,
I wanted to titillate the masses.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, let's thank iHeartRadio first of all for putting this
and helping us insult.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
We had to figure out who to do it, and
we found a perfect partner with iHeart, and we want
to thank them. And also we want to thank the
fans across the universe, because I just think it'd be
crazy for us not to start with saying we wouldn't
be doing this if it weren't for the just incredibly loyal,
amazing fan base we have around the earth, right.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Donal, thank you very much, all of you who watched
the show and who are listening to this podcast right now. Wow,
we appreciate you so much. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, thank you. I mean, this has been so many
years of love for this show. And you know it's funny.
I'm sure Donald, you have this experience too, where people
come up to the street like I'm sure this is
so annoying, but I just want to say I love
the show, and I'm like, I'm always like, it's not annoying.
Are you kidding me? That's like the best comment you
can give us.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
So well, it's annoying when you're eating food. Yeah, maybe
eating food and somebody comes up to you and they're like,
sorry to bother you. You know, at first, why are you
saying sorry to bother you? You're not sorry to bother me.
You meant to bother me at that moment, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, Well, just guys, if you're going to see Donald
in public, don't do it while he's eating.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Maybe just or with my kids. I don't play that.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh yeah, all right, we'll just wait outside the restaurant
for him in a dark in a dark alley.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, that's how I prefer people to approach me, in
a dark galley.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I also, my only request is not online at the
pharmacy because I'm usually sick and I don't want to.
I once had a guy ask me to sign his
box of condoms at a pharmacy, and uh, I just no.
I was like, dude, this is weird. I don't want
to sign it. Anyway. We've already digressed. We love our fans,

(03:01):
and we're so glad you're listening. So the rough plan
is that we're just gonna talk through episodes of Scrubs.
We're gonna start with with season one. Obviously, Today we're
gonna talk about the pilot, and we're going to just
kind of tell stories and go through it scene by
scene and just kind of tell anecdotes and stuff, and
then eventually want to have guests on we're going to
Today we're going to take a very first fan question,
which is thrilling. Joelle figured out how to do that.

(03:24):
She's amazing.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
We're really excited about this. We should start. Do you
remember the name of the pilot? What the first episode was?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
No?

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Wait, I just wanted to tell them one more thing,
So we were gonna do this in person, but then,
of course, because of this COVID insanity, the good people
of iHeart have figured out a way for a donalin
Us to do it remotely. So we're he's we're looking
at each other over zoom, and he's in his closet,
which is freaking hilarious because I guess that's what the
only place you could hide from your kids.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, well, yeah, they're downstairs. We put on Captain underpants
so they'll be quiet for a bit. But if you
hear someone yelling or screaming, it's probably going to be
my son Rocco or my daughter Wilder.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I'm gonna take a picture of this to post on
the interwebs because it's very adorable.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Right, well, let me get my let me get a
fresh pose.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Then, oh my god, you're so cute.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
All right.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
So Donald has children and a wife and everyone's in quarantine.
So he's in his closet recording and we're looking at
each other. So we're gonna do it like this, and
for the foreseeable future, every week we'll be coming to
you talking about the next episode of the show, and
we'll hope that you'll watch it along with us, because
that's kind of the idea if you if you watch

(04:32):
that episode and then we'll shoot the shit about that episode.
I just watched it. I got very nostalgic. Did you
did you feel nostalgia?

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, yeah, just how young we were.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
First of all, Oh, we were so young, so young.
I didn't remember how young I was.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I was twenty six at the time and I'm forty
five turning forty six this year, and it was that
was twenty years ago. So you know, watching the pilot
for the first time, I really felt like it was
brand new. Like I remembered some things, but other things
I was like I don't remember any of this, you know.

(05:09):
I remember certain poses that John C McGinley made, like
when he put his hand on the back of his
head and stuff like that. I remember being like, Wow,
that's interesting that he chose to do that right now,
And as the show goes on, it became his doctor
Cox stuff. But while we while watching it for the
first time, I was like, Oh my god, this is
where it all originated. This is where, this is where

(05:29):
this came from.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
There were so many moments I had while watching it too,
where I was like thinking, first of all, we can't
start off even even five minutes of this without talking
about Bill Lawrence, who is the creator of the show,
the reason we're all here talking. And I was just
amazed watching it how much Bill got it it's like
twenty three minutes long, and how much he was able
how much storytelling and character introduction. Pilots are always hard

(05:54):
because you know, you have the showrunner creator has such
a hard job to introduce so many characters and do
it in twenty three minutes. And it's just amazing how much.
How many characters are introduced, how many storylines and like
love interests are introduced, how much is packed into one episode.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, that's some of those. I have questions for you,
as a matter of fact, just on you know, how
the whole pilot came together and everything.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Wait, let's start with that. Sorry I don't interrupt you,
but let's start with cal I feel like we should
tell our stories about auditioning because that's.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, yeah, that was my first question for you. So
when we first started the pilot, I had already done
quite a few things, like I was in clueless. I
had done remember the Titans already waiting exhale. I was
guest starring on Felicity at the time, right, and this
was a pilot that came up for me, and I
was like, yeah, sure, I'll go out for it. I'd
love to go out for it. Anybody wants to be
on a show. And it wasn't until after I auditioned

(06:46):
for it and got it that everybody was like. I
remember all of my agents being like, this is like
the number one pilot of this season. Everyone wanted to
be a part of this, and you booked it. And
now I remember being like, holy cow. I was just
looking at it as let me get another job. I
got kids to feet, you know what. I mean, you
were completely different. You were like, I mean, I know
you had been in some things and stuff like that,
but you hadn't even really popped yet.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah. I had done little things, you know, I'd been
in an indie. I was in an indie, a couple
of indies, one called the Broken Hearts Club that went
to sun Dance, but I was still waiting tables. I
directed that, by the way, a now superstar famous person
named Greg Burlany. It was his very first film and
he he gave me one of my first early big
breaks being in that movie. And I was a waiter
at a French Vietnamese restaurant in Beverly Hills combination and

(07:33):
people who you know, if you saw Garden State, my film,
I'm kind of spoofing that in the beginning when I'm
working with a tunic on and waiting on horrible people.
But anyway, I was waiting there and people would come
from having Broken Carts Club was in the theater, and
people would come from the theater and they'd say for
dessert to the restaurant and they'd be like, we just
saw your movie. And I'd be like, oh cool, thank you,

(07:55):
thank you for going. And they'd be like you were great,
and I go, oh, thank you, thank you so much.
Let me tell you about it are specials And it
was like, only in Hollywood can you go see a
movie and then have the star of the movie wait
on you for dessert.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
But how did you feel about that? Were you ever
embarrassed by it?

Speaker 5 (08:10):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (08:10):
It was so embarrassed. I remember I would go to
like a general meeting in Hollywood, these things called general
meetings where you kind of go and like you're like
bragging that, oh my my career is going so well
and we should really work together, and you're just kind
of schmoozing. And I remember I did one of those
and like, it really went well, and I came out
feeling so good. And then that night I looked down
at one of my tables and the guy was at
the table's all and I didn't I had left out

(08:31):
the part how I was still, you know, hustling and
waiting tables. But so you know, I got the audition.
I was waiting tables. I got the audition. Now my
story is a little funny because I went out first
for it in New York. I happened to be in
New York, and I didn't prepare. It went so poorly.
I hadn't read the script. You know, not every audition

(08:52):
do you go in killing it. And I didn't do
a good job. And when I got back to La,
my agent said, look, they still can't find this guy
for the show. And it's really, like you said, everyone's
talking about this is like one of the hot new
shows of the season. You you, I think you could
just go back in, like they won't even know, like
your audition, I don't even They were like, I don't
even know if your tape made it from New York,

(09:13):
like because no one was no one, no one even
responded to whatever the fuck you did. So I this time,
I took it seriously. I memorized that I worked on it.
I practiced a lot, and then when I went in.
I remember the cash director Brett Right. I was yeah,
he looked up at me like, oh okay, like with
a smile. And then it was off to the races,

(09:34):
and then I met Bill and I worked with Bill,
and and then you know, I literally auditioned six times
before I got it. And finally my final audition was
for the network and it was down between four of
us and I read with Sarah and I. You know,
I had comitten six times. I wore the exact same

(09:54):
outfit every single time because I was so superstitious, and
I could really tell that Bill was rooting for me.
He he made it known to me that he wanted
me to get it. But there were a lot of
you know, people that were more famous than me that
were that were I mean that we're famous, that were
up for it. So I couldn't I couldn't leave. I
got it. But anyway, so tell me, tell me about
your audition.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
So I auditioned for it. The first time I auditioned
for it. I don't know who was in the room,
to be honest with you. I just auditioned and they
were like, they want to bring you back. And then
I came back and I auditioned again, and this time
Bill was there, and I remember being like, okay, you know,
at this point in my career, it was like, I'm
just going to audition for things as many times as

(10:32):
i can until they say yes, you know what I mean,
or till they say no. And I remember they were like,
all right, look, you're going to test for this, but
they want you to go in for one more audition.
Before that, just to run lines with Bill and work
on the jokes and stuff. And I was like, yeah, absolutely.
The one thing I remembered to this day he still
liked this. If Bill wants the joke to work, he'll laugh.

(10:55):
Even if it fell flat, He'll still laugh. To give
you the confidence of yo, dude, that's the joke. That's
where the joke lands.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
So we went into the room and we're working on it,
and he's laughing at everything, and I'm like, oh, I'm
crushing it. And then after every take he'd be like,
all right, now, let's work on this beat. And I
remember it was him and Danny Rose at the time.
Danny Rose was another one of.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
At the time, he was Bill's assistant, but then he
rose up in the ranks and became a producer on
the show.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Right, And so we did it, and then he was like,
all right, good luck tomorrow. And I was like, all right, bet.
And so I went on the audition and I saw
a bunch of friends of mine auditioning, and Sarah was there,
and you know, we were there for about an hour
and a half, all of us testing in front of
the network. And I remember at one point you know,

(11:47):
We're all sitting out there for a while and they
hadn't come out in a bit, and Bill comes out.
He's like, Donald, I need to talk to you real quick.
And I was like, oh, well, I guess I'm the
first person to go home. And he says, so, look,
your audition you probably could tell already, but you you
kind of fucked it up. So and so you know,

(12:09):
I want to give you another shot because the things
that I've seen you do, you just didn't do that
time in the room, and so if you could just
bring it down a little bit, And I do you
agree with him?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Did you think?

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Did you agree with them? And think like, oh shit,
I was so nervous, and he's right.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
No, I thought I was crushing it. I was doing
everything that we I thought I was doing everything that
we had done in the rehearsal right. So finally I
go in there and I remember toning everything down and
him being like perfect and then leaving and he sent
everybody home except for Sarah, myself and one other person.

(12:45):
And that night I found out I got the job. Wow,
you know what I mean? And you know, when I
went in on the audition, I expected to see the
guy that he had kept. You know, it was me,
Sarah and this one guy, and we were like, holy cow,
I guess we got it right. And uh I expected
to see the guy at the table read and you
walked in. I was like, that's not the same dude.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Wait, so I knew who you were obviously, but because
I loved I had not seen anything you were in. No, No,
you wouldn't. I didn't mean to say that you'd seen
my two little indies. I just mean, like, I guess
I don't know what my question is. I mean like
you even seeing a picture of me, you didn't even
know anything about me.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
You just knew nothing about you.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
You knew what you knew. An unknown guy got the
part at least right.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I feel like I remember what you wore to a
table read, though, I feel like you wore corduroy brown pants.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I couldn't believe that you would remember this.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
And a T shirt. And we met at the bar
while I.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Remember this, I remember I was writing this down in
my notes. First of all, it was that Christa Miller's
and Bill's old house.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
And Charlotte Lawrence had just been born.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Charlotte Lawrence was a baby, and we walked into I
remember it was a sunken living room and there was
a bar in the corner. And then you turned around
and we're like, gave me this big smile and we
were like yeahbody like and I was like, it literally
was love at first sight, right, I just felt I
was so nervous. If understand, I mean, I knew you

(14:11):
were obviously, I knew John McGinley was. I had met
Sarah at my audition, but like I was, you can imagine.
I mean, we're all nervous no matter who you are,
but I was because because also people do get fired
after the table reads, so you know, you're like, You're like,
I mostly have it, but I really got to make
sure I keep it. And uh, and then I saw
you and you were so warm and and and I
think we hugged. I think the first time, I know,

(14:31):
we did hug Yeah, the first time we met, we hugged.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Well, and that's that's that was the That was the crazy.
The craziest thing was I remember not knowing who you
were and being like, all right, they were and Bill
was like, let's start the table read. And I remember
being nervous for myself and then you started reading and
all of a sudden, the jokes that I didn't see
in the script when I read it, all of a

(14:56):
sudden started to appear because you were knocking out knocking
it out of the and everybody was laughing and you know,
really excited. So when it was my time to come
and I was like, yeah, the energy was there, and
you know what I mean. I just remember being like,
holy cow, this kid is amazing. And I remember being
like this could actually turn into something. This is at

(15:18):
the table read I remember being like this could be
something special. My agents weren't lying when they told me
this was the one.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, yeah, man, I remember that special feeling too. I
also wanted to say that I when I drove home
from my test, I had a star Tech. I had
the Motorola star Tech.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
You remember that, Yeah, yeah, the two ways.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
No, No, the star Tek was the little flip phone,
the little black flip phone back in the day.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Anyways, I had my little I had my little I
had my little flip phone and I put it on
the passenger seat as I was driving home from the
network test, and I'm just waiting to see if it
was gonna ring, and like is my life about to
change substantially or not? And the phone rang. It was Bill.
He told me I got the part. And I was
just flipping out. I mean, I had no money. I

(16:03):
didn't have a dollar into my name. I you know,
I was living.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Oh dude, who are you telling? Man? I had kids.
I bought a house with all of this clueless money
that I had, And you know what I mean, I
thought I was going to be a baller. And I
remember having to call home and beg my mom for
money so I could get gas to go on these auditions.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Oh you know what I mean. Because I was broke,
my parents loaned me five thousand dollars to buy a
car out in La So I bought a car. I
bought a Nissan to forty SX. I remember that, which
did me really really well. And and then I was just,
you know, living off my waiters salary. But I got
the call from Bill. I freak out. I called my mom,
I called my dad, and then I called the manager

(16:41):
of the restaurant, who was amazingly supportive of me, and
she was she was an actress herself, and she was like,
I'm so happy for you, congratulations, And I was like, well,
I quit and she was like wait, I'll never forget that.
She was like, work tonight. I was like what now,
But she's like you have to work tonight and I
was like I do. She's like, babe, you can't leave

(17:03):
me hanging like that. You gotta work tonight. I was like,
I was like, oh, I'll work tonight. And I got
like I had hammered. People were like waiting on me, like,
you know, because it was one of those restaurants where
people were like really douchey and like sir, and I'd
be like, just wait your turn, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
I was like.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
Everybody, everybody calm down, all right, you know, Vietnamese food
is coming right on.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
I remember after we shot the pilot just to jump
ahead and having to wait for so long for the
show to get picked up, right and running into you
at a club and you being out of your mind blitzed.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's probably what happened. I could never get
into the club, like I went like and the classic
thing with like the red velvet ropes and like I
can't even picture like me being on line at the
club being like all right, I'm going out to a
nightclub tonight. Because I got some money in my pocket,
and like I picture, I see like Donald going in,
like the guys, like the bouncers, like part the red

(17:56):
velvet ropes is Donald and his posse gets gets led
into the club. And then I get in and I
saw you. I remember, I remember the first night I
saw you, like out in the real world, and I
like screamed because I was like, dude, you were.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
So loud and he was so drunk. It was so funny.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Well, I had to celebrate.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
So let's get let's get back to the let's get back.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Let's talk about the pilot.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Now.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
The first thing I want to say about the pilot.
The first thing I noticed is that that's not the
hospital right that the pilot for Scrubs was filmed. We
filmed technically in three spots. The pilot was filmed in
a Burbank hospital, and this one that they show it
in the exterior is actually not even that. It's just
a different hospital. But then we shot the bulk of

(18:36):
the series at a hospital in Valley Village which is
now apartments. And then season nine, which we'll have plenty
of jokes about, was shot actually on a back lot
on stages. But the bulk of the show, the one
that that you all know and love, was shot all
inside a real hospital, and I'm sure not everybody knows that.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
It was a real hospital. Remember the sound man saying
something about, you know, I think when we did the pilot.
I'm not sure if I'm not sure if it was
the pilot or the actual series, but I think it
was the pilot saying, you know what, I'm gonna set
up in this room because this is the room that
my father died in or something.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Really, yeah, that's so dark. Our dressing rooms, you know.
You know you've seen a lot of times on sets
that people have trailers their dressing rooms. Well, our dressing
rooms were hospital rooms. For for eight and a half
years that we worked at this hospital, we lived and
did everything inside this hospital. I mean, our dressing rooms
were in the hospital, the makeup rooms in the hospital

(19:35):
offices were in this hospital. The editing, the writer's room, everything,
all the other sets, like you know, whether it was
the inside of a bar or our apartment, all those
were built into this really disgusting ancient hospital.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Okay, So I want to talk about the first scene
where you wake up and it's time to That was
that a reshoot.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
No, it was not a reshoot. I think it was
done like after the fact things. Probably one of the
last things we did. I do remember thinking that I
didn't think this was funny, this this whole shaving cream thing.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
It turned out to be really funny.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Well that's Bill. Bill turns it into something. I remember
thinking like, what, why would I be doing this? Why
would I, on my first day so nervous, be making
a shaving cream bra or.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Being like a warrior, A warrior.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
A kind of young I am. I'm just scrolling through
because I like to just reference it. But anyway, I
didn't think it was funny at the time, but then
I saw and I remember thinking, yeah, that was that.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Was clever, okay, And then the scene where you walk
into the hospital and the lady gives you all of
this energy about what's gonna happen today, et cetera, et cetera,
and then you not really knowing where to go.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, I mean, this was one thing I'll hear me
say over and over again was and Bill always said
this was like, there's no person better to play someone
young and in over their head than me, because here
I was, I didn't know anything about. I mean, it
was all method acting. I didn't know anything about starring
in a TV show. I didn't know anything about like
I mean, I knew I had some experience, but every
time I was playing the wide eyed guy walking around,

(21:10):
I was just being mean because I couldn't believe that
this was happening to me. You know, it was the
exact same life that I was living, you.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Know what, speaking of wide eyed. Before we started the pilot,
they wanted us to all go on rounds with doctors
and stuff like that. I did that, but right I
did not. I opted out. I was like, get the
fuck out here. I'm not doing that shit. I don't
want to see any of this.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
But meanwhile, I'm like, I'm like the diligent student who's like,
all right, send me out right.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
I remember getting on the phone with the young lady
who was my contact that was going to take me
around on rounds, and her being like, so you're coming
down to night and me being like, yeah about that. No,
I don't see myself ever doing this. If you could
just tell me some anecdotes, I'll be great.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
But yeah, I was the exact I was like the
good student.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
I was like, did you see anything crazy.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
No, but I remember thinking it was really inappropriate actually,
that she was having me like go around, like to
visit patients with her, Like she she put a stethoscope
around my neck so I would look like legit, Like
I know it's kind of fucked up in hindsight, like
I should not have been doing that. But did she
ever refer to you like, No, not, because she she
was just treating me like I was like I was

(22:17):
a medical student and she wasn't doing what she should
have done, which is being like, hey, is it okay
there's someone who's an actor researching apart, she wasn't doing that.
I was just going in and being like, hey, how's
a guy, And she'd kind of like and the people
would be like looking at her, and then they like
they nod to me, and I'm like I would just
be nodding. I remember, I was just I was just
kind of had like a serious nod on my face,

(22:38):
like I was listening and understanding what's going on. I
want to talk about the title sequence because that's the
next thing that comes up.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
I was going to ask you about that too, Man, dude,
how much did you hate that until you saw it?
That's one of those things where I was like, this
is sucks. Man.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
It took for those of you who don't know, it's
a motion control camera, and it really took a long
time to do that, and at the time we didn't
know how cool it would look, so it was like
it took like a full day to do it, and
I remember we were all kind of really over it
by the end. Then it came out and it was
really fucking cool. And then we've heard this for many
times our whole scrubs existence, but the X ray at

(23:22):
the end is backwards, and every every doctor wanted to
point that out, and we used to be like, oh, yeah, yeah,
that's on purpose. Get it because they're like med students
comedy yeah, and they're med students and they don't fully
get it. People We're like, no, it wasn't the fucking
prop guy fucked up the ship backwards.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
We did, And but we got lucky with that too,
because that kind of set the tone for this offbeat,
wacky show of ours.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
You know, I know, I know, But early on in
like in like commentary, I remember everyone being like the
X rays backwards and we were like, yeah, we meant
to do it.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
And do it again when we do it next time.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Do you remember when we in a few years in
they tried to redo this sequence with Neil to add Neil.
I wanted to add Neil and Neil. Yeah, and and
then so they aired it a few times and the
fan base was like, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Opra? Right, No, they weren't having it.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
They were not having it.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
They were like the last season nine. How they weren't
having season nine either. But anyway, all right, we jump.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
We have one hundred and eighty episodes to get to
you before we digress, digress, wait, and then I want
to say that the song was was a song I
found from a band called laslow Bane that I was
friends with and I.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Because originally we wanted five for fighting, but that was
the Yeah, that was the original theme song. It was
something like, uh, I'm more than a bird. We can
never use this, I'm more than a plane.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I think you're allowed to sing a few lines.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
More than some superman beside a train. However it goes anyway,
so I can't stand a fly.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
My friend, I'm not that Nie right, all right? My
friend Chad Fisher was in this band, and I thought
the lyrics were perfect because it's not only was it
a great song, but it's like what the show's about.
You know, I'm Superman. Donald, get it.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, that's the same thing the fire for Fighting song
was about. You just found somebody who wrote something kind
of similar to it.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I can't do it all, Donald, I couldn't do it
all on my own. I needed my friend.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
I'm mothering a bird.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
You have such a pretty voice, though.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I just remember how perfect the song was when they
sang it, and we didn't really necessarily know that it
was going to be the theme song until I remember
you playing it for me and being like dude and
being like, oh, yeah, that's cool. But I didn't realize
it was going to really be the theme song until
we had that first cookout before we started shooting the
show and he sang it with the with the bullhorn

(25:43):
and his boy playing the guitar next to him and
being like, oh.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
I remember that. And then we made a music video.
If any of you never saw it, it's kind of cool.
I shot a music video for the song, and I
shot all this kind of cool footage of us. I'm
sure it's on YouTube, all right.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Okay, so let's talk about the first scene with you.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I'm gathering my notes because I did a lot of prep.
I want the fans to know I did a lot
of prep for this right on.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
So the first scene with you and I, where we're
talking and Ted the Lawyer is explaining to us, you know,
legal procedure in the hospital. Yeah, I remember him making
up the line and if your if your patient's dead
and and you're sure.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
And you're sure, And I.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Remember that was when I realized, oh, wow, Bill's gonna
let us. He's gonna let us improve a little bit. Yeah,
and opportunities to be funny.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah. I think that's one of the things that made
Scrubs really special is that Bill really let everyone kind
of make it their own. I mean, his running rule
through through the whole series was, you know, please get
it the way that it's written first, make sure we've
got it good, and then you guys can play around
and improvise, and if you have some wacky idea, you
can do it. And that was from the get go.

(26:55):
And then he had and he hired all these amazing
people like Sam Lloyd who plays Lawyer.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Who played Ted the Lawyer, and a.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Little Trivia who's Christopher Lloyd's nephew, you know, just hilarious
character actors like that that could that would just bring
all their own and no matter what the size of
the part, you know, from from from our sized part
all the way down to people who had you know,
would have one line an episode, there was so much
freedom to just kind of riff around and make it funny. Yeah,
and we should give a shout out to Adam Bernstein

(27:24):
who directed the pilot. A pily director. Yeah, a pilot
director for those of you who don't know, really sets
the look of the show and the style. You know,
Scrubs has a very specific style with the whippans and
the flashing, the flashbacks and fantasies.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
And even the color of the show to make how
it looks so much like a hospital and isn't overly
saturated like a lot of TV shows that deal with
hospital life. They you know, they want their actors to
pop on screens. So the blueser bluer, and the eyes
and the you know what I mean, Scrubs, it looked

(27:59):
dingy and dirty in the hospital in that first episode.
I noticed a lot.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
I noticed that it was clearly the thing I noticed,
you know, the whole idea was that it was it
was a hospital that was had very little money. And
I noticed there's a lot of stuff, you know, I
haven't watched the pilot in how many years? Twenty years,
but I remember I was looking at the ceiling tiles.
There's all these like missing ceiling tiles. Yeah, and it
was and Bill and Adam really made it feel like
a dingy you know. It was not supposed to be
a nice hospital. Also, the show was shot on film,

(28:25):
which a lot of people probably don't know. This was
the entire series was shot on sixteen millimeter film. That's
why there's no blu ray and there's no if you
look at it normally, how it's meant to be seen.
It's a square because it was before high def video
and sixteen by nine televisions, and no one ever like
upres it. So this is all we got. I watched

(28:46):
the iTunes version, which has the original music. Do you
want to explain to them about the music thing?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Hulu doesn't have the original music.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well, just you know, just because it's a question we
get from a lot of fans at times on social media.
All this music that was put on scrubs and a
lot of people love was licensed before streaming, so these
days a lot of times if you watch it on
Hulu where it's currently playing, or wherever you're watching it,
it might have some of those songs that you love
replaced because they weren't licensed for streaming rights. iTunes is

(29:15):
the only place, or owning the DVDs obviously is the
only place where where all of the original music would
be there. Let's talk about your teeth for a second,
because I don't think we can just let this go.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Oh, I had baby teeth when we started shooting the show.
I don't have baby teeth. And if you spent a
lot of money on new teeth there it is if you.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Freeze, if you freeze frame. There was there was a
saga of Donald's teeth because he used to have he
had fake braces famously in Clueless.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yes, because they were trying to hide my small teeth.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Go on, Oh is that really why?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Oh, we're getting an exclusive here, so you're telling.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
They shave my head and they shaved my head and
Clueless because my hairline was receding at eighteen, you know
what I mean? Like that, by the time I was
twenty one, I had this hairline right here that you
that I'm well, you guys can't see it, but I
had this.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Uh, by the way, I feel like we're breaking news.
You're famous.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
They called me, George Jefferson, okay, because of my hairline?

Speaker 6 (30:12):
Are you happy?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Are you happy?

Speaker 1 (30:16):
But I never knew that the clueless braces were because
of your fucked up chick lit teeth.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yes, and then the and then the hats that I
wore and clueless was because of my hairline.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Like I have a baby face. I have a baby face.
It's a baby right, Like I have a baby face. Yeah,
but I don't have a baby's hairline.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Right, I had baby teeth.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I had baby teeth.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Who called you, George Jefferson your parents?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
No, some like dickhead that I grew up with my parents.
You're an asshole. That'd be hilarious, George, All.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Right, let's go forward with your chicken teeth. And then
and then well, by the way, funny story. So then
one season Donald chose up. He decided on his own.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
We could talk about this some other time. We don't
need to talk about this now.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Well, can I just tease it later?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
It tracks, it'll track, all right.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Donald shut up with braces on the inside of his
teeth and had a lisp, and Bill was like, take
your fucking braces off. What the hell you?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yes, all right, but there's like six episodes where I'm
talking like this the whole.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
And Donald chowse up.

Speaker 6 (31:13):
But he's like, I don't Bill, I don't think anyone's
gonna notice. And Bill's like, no one's gonna notice. What
the fuck are you doing? What'd you do? And Donald's like, well,
it's cut brief of but you can't see hi because
they're on the insize in my mouth.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Okay, all right, I don't even think that's a funny story, dude.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
I think it's hilarious. All right, let's talk about Sarah
Chalk's entrance into the lounge room. Absolutely done, dun duh,
the brilliant and beautiful Sarah Chalk.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
So I remember at the audition saying Sarah and being
like that's the girl from Roseanne. Holy cow.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, second Becky and.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Thinking she's definitely gonna get this part because that was
the girl from Roseanne, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, Now, I didn't know. I knew she was. Second
Becky was, as she jokingly called herself, and people called
her because she had replaced the original Becky, but I
wasn't until I read with her in front of Bill
and then I read whether at my final Studio Network
test that I got to meet her, and I was
just smitten. I just thought she was so funny and

(32:15):
so beautiful, and.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
That was one of my notes. Actually, you guys had
such great chemistry in the pilot, and it showed on
screen that, you know, I think that worked for the
remainder of the show because of you know, it's hard
to tell a will they won't they early on in
a pilot, you know what I mean, Like you can

(32:38):
say one person has a crush, but you both kind
of had a chemistry for each other in the pilots,
and it was undeniable, you know what I mean. So
like right away, you knew that at some point you
guys had to get together, you know what I mean.
Even if it didn't work, you knew it. You guys
had to get together.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
And then there was that scene where we're in the
staircase and I'm supposed to be looking at her butt
going up and saying it looks I never understood why
two pringles, which is what I say, but your butt
looks like two pringles hugging. I never knew a.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Curve because it's a little okay, so a pringle isn't.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I don't know if it's a compliment for a butt though.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Is it trying to tell me you don't appreciate a
round booty?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
No, I love a round booty.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
But I just don't know what the hell are you
talking about?

Speaker 1 (33:24):
But bro, you think you think I would say, like,
it looks like a juicy peach. I wouldn't say it
looks like two pringles that are like sharp and breakable.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Okay, let me ask you a question.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
How would you describe a nice bottom like to a
piece of food? You would choose pringles?

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Well, I mean, I'm gonna okay, do we need to
get into this.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Well you can. You can say it in a nice correction.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
For a really long time, people of Caucasian colors didn't
necessarily like to have big, round booties, and so a
pringle being a tiny curved chip, if you put them together,
they looked like a little tiny booty.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
You're saying because she had a tiny white girl booty,
it was pringly right.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Nowadays, because of certain actresses and Instagram models or whatever influence.
Everyone and their mama likes a round booty, now, a
big round. So you're starting to put fake booties that
are starting to put fake stuff in the buttocks area

(34:39):
to make the booty round. Now, I've heard that some
women really round booties already and decided, yo, you know what,
it ain't round enough and took more to make it bigger.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
I have a question for you about this, yes, Now,
is your theory that certain famous influencers have influenced women
to to add not just.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Exercise, not just women, men too, Men too?

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Now they exercise it. You can choose to exercise and
build up your booty. But you're saying that people really
do put put fake implants into their bottoms.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
They not only put it into their bottoms, they put
it into their chest area, They put it into their abs,
they put it into their arms. There are so many
people out there where you're like, Wow, that dude works out,
or wow, she must really work out and it's all enhancements.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Do you think men get ass implants?

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Do you love a number for a doctor who does?

Speaker 2 (35:33):
That's true because you got a little too baffle behind, that's.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Right, I know it's small, It's very small. I was
thinking the other day.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
That was the other thing that I noticed about you
that when the first time I met you, I like
my but was really small, booty.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Oh you noticed that at the table?

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Read absolutely when you walked away anyway, gone.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I just wrote down because there was a shot of
her butt at which I thought looked beautiful, and then
I kind of thought about the line pringles and I
didn't fully understand it. Right, Let's move on from Sarah
and her glorious Let's.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Talk about John C McGinley. Yes, let's doctor Cox.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Wait before you get to Cox, I want to talk
about just I think Matt Winston is first. So Matt
Winston is the guy who's saying I'm a tool, I'm
a tool, I'm a tool. And I always thought he
was so friggin funny. In fact, I put him in
my film which I was here and a little bit
of trivia for the trivia buffs out there. He's Stan
Winston's son, the late great Stan Winston. Did you know that, Donald?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, wow, So his dad he wasn't used a ton
a Bill sort of phased him out, although he did
have a hilarious line where he goes it's like a baguette. Yeah,
I think when he was talking about Kelseo's penis. All right,
So Johnny c McGinley, I mean, where do we begin
the legend?

Speaker 2 (36:44):
The legend that I remember when we after the table read.
When I saw him at the table read, I was like,
I'm gonna stay clear of that guy. He's a little intimidating.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, he's a little scary.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
And then we did the rehearsals at the hospital and
I remember him and I was like, I remember telling
myself focus on him right now because we're all, you know,
kind of wide eyed and don't necessarily know what it
is we want to do. He came into the game
already with Cox like he was like, this is how

(37:16):
I'm gonna play him. This is how he's going to be,
you know what I mean, he knew right away what
he was doing. And I remember I was like, focus
on that guy because he seems to be already out
the gate, you know what I mean. He seems to
be running already. Where we're you know, getting a slow start,
he's already off and running, So focus on him and
try and match that energy that he has.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
And he nobody worked harder. I mean, Johnny throughout the
course of the season had those endless, really hard to
do monologues, and he would sometimes get him the night
before and he would work so hard. I mean, this
is not a guy who ever phoned in. I don't
think Johnny ever flubbed a line in nine years.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
I mean not just not true. He flubbed lines.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Well, I'm saying, most rare, of the least often of
any of us. And he was just so on it,
and so he so made it his. You know, there's
a thing in acting where you say, like, oh, I
don't want to just do it a generic way that
anyone will do it.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
I want to.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
I want to. I want to make it specific to
me and make it mine. And a lot of actors,
I think forced that, and so they put all this
shit onto it that isn't necessary. They're just trying to
be different, whereas some actors just do that and as
natural it feels right. And I think Johnny's the ultimate
example of that. He's someone who all these characteristics and
all the things, the gestures, the hands on the back
of his head, the touch in his nose, like that's

(38:26):
all just Johnny. That's all stuff that's so specifically him
that he brought to that part, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Absolutely, and he stayed consistent with it the whole time.
Everything he did. He was like we all evolved into
different characters as the show went on. If you watched
the show, we're very you know, you and I would
it were you know, it's not as broad as the
show goes on. Johnny stayed consistent from the beginning. He

(38:52):
was the same level the whole time, right, and you
really see it in that first scene where he comes
into the breakroom and is doing his thing, you know
what I mean. It's really interesting, you know, to go
back and watch now because when making it, you know,
I paid attention to him specifically because of who he was,

(39:14):
but to see how I evolved, to see how you evolved,
to see how Sarah evolved, to see how you know
what I mean, Judy evolved.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
It really and all from this pilot, you know what
I mean. It's like the pilot is a tame version
of what Scrubs became, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Although there's things about it, you know, I don't know
if you noticed, but there's things that are in the
pilot that you can see both Bill and Adam Bernstein
and the director are figuring out like that. We eventually
phased out like all the I mean like there's like
whip noises when Johnny turns his head and there's like
there's little there's like way more sound effects early on.
I think in the show that they eventually toned down.

(39:53):
I mean that's a digression from Johnny. So Johnny's just
amazing And people always ask what he's like, and I say,
he literally is this intent. But he's just the most
nice person you've ever met. It's just like he's like
picture that intensity of a human being, but he's a
super sweet nice there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
But love though, that intensity with nothing but love.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
And when he shakes your hand, he puts out his
hand and goes, there's five good ones for you.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Meaning his finger.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, there's five good ones for you.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Grab it and squeeze.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah. He's got all sorts of sayings, but I'll never
forget there's five good ones for you.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, that one, and there's a Mammo in that.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Oh yeah, we'd finish it. We'd finish a scene in
One of our editor's names was Jean Michelle and you'd go,
I think we gave Jean Michelle some mammo. All right,
so let's go. The next thing I wrote down on
if you have anything before this, but was the sitcom
fantasy I have where I where I'm with Sarah on.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
This man you to man.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
So I don't even know what this was. A sitcom.
Must have been on on NBC or something or maybe ABC,
because but I don't remember we borrowed some Actually, people
out there might who know the sitcom might recognize who
said it is, But we just went to an actual
set and shot this scene there because we didn't, you know,
it was the pilot.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Was it like good Morning Miami or something like that.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
That could have been it. I don't know. It probably
was a pilot of the of the same season, right
or something. And I remember this was just surreal. We
were in like on a real sitcom stage. And now,
granted I have a huge crush on Sarah and I'm
doing my best to like hold it together, and then
all of a sudden, we're doing a scene where she
rips off her top and mounts me and we make out.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, you know what, Back in the day, I was like, Wow,
she ripped off her top. That's cutting edge. Now I
look at it and I'm like, oh, whoa did she
have to rip off our top?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Well, I mean I think the show. You have to
look at it in the context of the year. I mean,
everybody forgets now because we have all this everything streaming
and cable and everything's so much more risque, and you
go to you seek out whatever you watch. I mean,
from the Show Girls, the crazy show they would do
on there, to everything and anything that's on Netflix now.

(42:03):
But back in the day, you know, I think Bill
was trying to push the envelope. The show was on
at nine or nine thirty. He was trying to push
the diamelo of what you could do on network television.
So both with being politically incorrected times, both with sex
with language. I mean, he was trying to say, like, hey, network,
you can compete and be a little bit you know riskee,

(42:24):
And so this for the time was pretty risque. I
mean it was. There's a lot of sex in the show.
You know, it's funny. I have I'm sure you do.
You have people who go, hey, I'm showing my kids
scrubs and I can't be in the same room. It's
so awkward because it's because there was a lot of
sex in the show.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
No, I don't you know, I don't let my kids
watch Scrubs.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Well your kids are your kids are too young.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
But I'm saying, like I got a six year old
and a four year old, no watch scrub.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
No, I didn't mean your kids. I mean, like like
Matt Tarsis, who was one of the writers, he told
me that his son, who was a teenager, was watching
the show and he's like, I had to walk out
of the room. I was like watching like you and
Sarah have these sex scenes, like that episode where we're
eating pizza and we're like hanging all over the placer.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Okay, you know that's that is true. Sarah did have
to take her top off. But I'm gonna be honest
with you. I think the guys on the show were
way more naked than the females were on the show.

(43:21):
You know what I mean. Between you were naked naked
so much.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Your body looks fierce.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Thank you, like Tay Diggs, Baby, like Ty Diggs.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
You know, you know. Funny bit of trivia. Rob Maschio,
who was often only in his banana hammock and worked
very hard to maintain that physique, he would do all
sorts of push ups and stuff. When the show moved
from whatever season from NBC to ABC, which is owned
by Disney, they made a rule that we could no
longer film him from the waist down when he was
in his banana hammock. Did you know that bit of trivia?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
I didn't know that bit of trivia. I also, I remember,
and we'll discuss this later on, but there were times
where we were actually really naked because it had to
be that way for the camera.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Wait, you didn't have like a sock on your penis.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I did one time. I did have a sock on
my penis, And I remember having to walk into parking
lot with a bunch of people, which a sock on
my penis. I remember not only that, not only that
I had, I had also a very big leaf, very
big leaf. It was a big leaf, first of all,
a large like an overleaf. It was like it was
like a maple leaf, like a huge maple leaf.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
It wasn't like one of those thin like bamboo.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
No, no, no, it wasn't like it wasn't like an eucalyptus leaf.
It was a it was like a maple leaf to
cover my job.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
No one has ever bragged about their sexual prowess through
leaf side, so that's a first for our podcast. I
do want to say that I once there's a scene
where I was dancing in front of Tara Reid and
I was supposed to be naked and they were shooting
me from behind, and so I just I packed everything
I had into a sock and I was doing the
dance in front of Tara Reid, remember that? And then

(44:53):
and then the sock came off, and then I was like,
what is surreal experience? There's Tara Reid just staring at
me junk.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah, Oh, I mean what am I gonna do? I
apologize and and all right, so we got a caller on, wait,
why are you interrupting? I want to I just want
to say that it was a tube sock, much like
your leaf analogy.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
It was not it wasn't It wasn't a dress sock.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
It was you know those little those little socks people
now where they're just like.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Go for There wasn't an ankle sock. It was a
tube sock. What did they call those things that just
go ankle socks?

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah? It was a sock.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
It was a tube sock.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
It was a tube sock.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Got to say, we're basing your boys. It was a.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Long one, so we got it was a woman's thigh high.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Okay, So I don't mean to interrupt you, Zack, but
we got a caller on.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
This is exciting because I I daydreamed when we said
we were going to do this that we should take
fan questions from all around the world, and it's really happening.
So go ahead, Donald, and.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
So I'd like to introduce Chris to the podcast. Chris.
How are you hi.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Chris, how's it coming guys? I'm doing well. Thank you
for having me.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
On very first guest. So we really want to nail this.
We want to give you the best answer to your question.
That's that's ever been given to any question throughout the history.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Okay, gotcha, that's weir at that no pressure exactly, all right.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I guess the question I'll ask you all This.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
One comes from a buddy of mine named Andrew. I
have a question about the soundtrack. I think that's something
that was such like an iconic part of the show
just across all the seasons. You introduced so many people
to so many awesome artists over the years. Was that
something was there someone that spearheaded that did you guys
just have great taste?

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Like, how did you come up with this soundtrack?

Speaker 1 (46:41):
It was all me, It was all Donald had nothing
to do with it. Let me just sry.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I literally had nothing to do with it.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah, because I mean, did you ever get a song
on ever?

Speaker 2 (46:50):
No, because I was listening to songs like Jo tosy Uh.
I was listening to you know, uh songs by Wu
Tang Clan, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Like this?

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Great?

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Donald didn't take the music.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
As a matter of fact, a lot of the artists
that were on the show I was introduced to for
the first time while watching the show. So who do
we have on a show? Keen all these people, I
had no idea who they were, you know what I mean?
And some artists that were well known. I just didn't
listen to that type of music at the time. It
wasn't until Scrubs that all of a sudden started listening

(47:25):
to Indian folk rock, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, I think that you know. First of all, it
was a lot of people. It was definitely Bill Lawrence
obviously created the show, and his wife, Christa Miller, who
played Jordan, and myself. I think we were the three
probably the main people, but also a lot of the
writers in the writer's room. A lot of times when
it was their script, they'd go with a lot of people.
But and of course the editors who would who would
you know? The editors would get like ten ideas and

(47:49):
they'd be the ones to try and and and shape
it to see what would work the best. So there
was a bunch of us, but christ Miller definitely did
a lot of song choosing, and I got a bunch
on myself that I'm excited about.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Our best friend got Josh Joshua rade Rad and got
his start really before Scrubs. What was Josh doing?

Speaker 1 (48:10):
He was sleeping on my couch, was he really? Yeah?
I mean he didn't even have a job. And he
had written the song Winter, which we played in the
episode where Bretton Fraser's character dies spoiler And yeah, when
Winter was so popular that that had launched a career
for Josh and everyone was like, what other songs do

(48:30):
you have? And he's like, that's the only song I've
ever written, And so he had to like frantically make
an album.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah. I remember going to watch him at two concerts
with like me, Zach my girlfriend at the time, Zach's
girlfriend at the time, and that was it. Yeah, and
now he sells out, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
He does. He does really really well, so that's it.
It was a lot of fun, you know. I think
Bill was early on in putting music at the you know,
now it's become very popular and very common to sort
of end your episode of TV with an emotional piece
of music and then cut around in a montage and
watch how everyone, you know, what they learned from the episode.

(49:12):
And and I think Bill was at the forefront of
doing that definitely, because you know, now now it's pretty commonplace.
But I think Scrubs was kind of one of the
first shows to do that.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
You know. I like to think The Wonder Years was, Yeah,
he would was a was a early version of what
single camera comedy. I mean, mash obviously, but the Wonder
Years really took it's the time that it was in
and use the music of that time to help tell
the story. And Scrubs, I feel like it's the next

(49:45):
thing to do that.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
And then yeah, and Alan mcbial also Ally McBeal, I
think Bill would say that I remember the show Alian
mcbeil had they cut away to wacky shit. I mean,
I think Scrubs meets Scrubs is sort of Alian McBeal
meets Mash meets Wonder Years. Right, all right, so we
answer your question.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
He did. That was awesome. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Do you have another one? We'll give you another one.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yeah, we'll give you another question.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
All right. I've got a two part question.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
It's kind of common knowledge now that the Janitor wasn't
supposed to make a past season one.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
He was supposed to be a fig man of JD's imagination.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Yeah, so two parterre here one, how is that supposed
to be written in? How is it going to come
to be known that the Janitor was, you know, just
a figment of the imagination. And then the second part
of that is is there any plotline that didn't come
to fruition that you really wish did?

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah? I know that, but wait, I just want to say,
we're gonna have Bill on for everyone. That Billill probably
our first guest because he can answer all sorts of
questions about what his plan was for the writing and such.
But I do remember that Neil Flynn First of all,
I was going to talk about this when we got
to Neil in the pilot. But Neil was supposed to
just have a small part. He wasn't. Bill wasn't even
intending that he was going to be in the show

(50:49):
beyond the pilot or maybe a few episodes. But he
was so hilarious that Bill just kept adding him and
adding him and adding him, and to the point where
he was one became one of the stars of the show.
And Neil is a hilarious, improvisational actor, and so a
lot of times he would just make up his own
line throughout the whole run of the show. And in fact,
it got to a point where and sometimes in a

(51:10):
script it would just say like and then Neil makes
up something funny like it wouldn't even have aligned for him,
because Neil was just so gifted and hilarious.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Well, that whole scene was that whole scene improved with
you and him with the penny and the door.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Well the penny in the door was all written. But
I'm saying, like right off the bat, everybody could tell like,
this guy, Neil Flynn is really funny and he's got
to be more in the show. And you know, Bill
would kind of try people out, and when they killed it,
he'd keep using him, you know, just like you like
all the people that fans grew to love, like you know,
Phil Lewis Hooch, Like we'd all thought he was so
frigging hilarious. We just kept putting him on the show

(51:44):
whenever we could. So anyway, long story short, if you
I think throughout season one the janitor only addresses me
if I'm not mistaken now, so so Bill kind of
had the idea, like, oh my god, if this doesn't
go too long, it might be funny to do a
big reveal that the janitor is totally in in uh
in JD's imagination.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
But then how crazy and would that have made j D? Though?
You would have been like a freaking psycho dude.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
You would have been to look at my look at
nine years of wacky fantasies. Remember when you were a goat?

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah, dude, but it was a fantasy. These were fantasies, Goat.
If you actually had somebody that you an imaginary friend
that you talked to and would talk back to you,
and you're a doctor.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
I know, I think it could have been cool. But
but anyway, The point was that that the show kept
going and Bill. I remember Bill. I heard Bill say
like I had to, I had to have this guy
interact with other people because it was like, you know,
and then it became you know, he wanted to. I
think fans also wanted to see the character of the
Janitor interact with people. Although you never knew his name
or did you name was Janitor or was it Glenn Matthews.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Did we answer the second part of the question.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Oh, storylines, we did. We did a medicinal marijuana long
before it's time. We did a medicinal marijuana plot line
and start shooting it, and then the studio told Bill
to shut it down, and we did.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
It happened.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah, it's funny because of course now marijuana is legal
in California and so many other places.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Well, it had just started I remember, it had just
started becoming legal at the time when we were Yeah,
I remember, I do remember that because there were a
lot of people that were smoking weed.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
We probably shouldn't bring that up in the in the
first episode of this let's get to how high everybody
was in future episodes with the tease something.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I'm just saying, I was a tease.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Okay, in future episodes, Donald will out people for who
was baked twin? All right, thank you, Chris.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Thank you Chris, Thank you Chris.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Thanks for being our first guest.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
That would be so funny. That would be so funny
if that's how we did it. If in that scene
he's high.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
I think you need to come clean. When we get
to scenes where you were baked.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
That'll be like the whole series run.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Okay, great, How long into the series did you stop
memorizing your lines?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Uh rt.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
We'll talk about that in future episodes to come as well. Oh,
I wanted to say the scene with Johnny in the
in the in the lounge with with the woman, that
that was my audition scene where Johnny comes in with
the woman he says is dead and he's telling me
to throw tile in all her face. That was one
of the main I think one of the three scenes
that I auditioned with. What was your audition scenes?

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Do you remember My audition scene was I'm really scared.
I'm so happy that I get to wear a surgical mask,
a mask because if I didn't have it on, my
face would look like this, And then I make the
scared face. Yeah, that was one of my auditioned scenes.
And then and did.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
You improv I love you? Or is that in the script?

Speaker 2 (54:54):
No, we improv that. Bill came up to me. It
was like telling me you love him at the end.
That was funny and I was like what he was
like to say it and then laugh when you watch.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
And then Lonnie, by the way, everyone that's Lonnie's playing.
Lonnie's playing the pizza delivery.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I had no idea that was him until watching the pilot.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
So Lonnie Lonnie exists. It's one of the few people
that exists as two different characters in the Scrubs universe.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
I feel like it's three different characters.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
But yeah, okay, why there's Lonnie, there's pizza delivery guy?

Speaker 2 (55:21):
And who was a was Lonnie also the guy that
played basketball? I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Okay, anyway, Scrubs fans will answer for us. But yeah,
that was very funny. I love that when you say
I love you, he looks. We both look at you like.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
What I might say it to you all the time.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
In this scene, also with the woman was supposed to
be really dead, and I remember the network pushed back
against Bill and said, no, you can't have her really
genuinely pushing around a dead woman. You have to have
her at the end go I'm not really dead. So
that was a rewrite forced by the network because Bill
thought it was funny if he really was just pushing
around a corpse.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Very funny too. I want to talk about Ken Jenkins
for second, Yes, because I feel like he was the
MVP of our show, you know what I mean, in
so many ways, like, uh, it's really difficult to be
on a show with such a huge ensemble cast where
everyone is likable, from the lead all the way down

(56:18):
to the guest stars. Everyone's likable. I think the hardest part,
the hardest person to play in all of that would
be the bad guy, you know what I mean. And
he made it so that the bad guy you didn't
like him, but you still loved him, you know what
I mean. And I felt like he was literally the MVP.

(56:41):
Him and Judy Rayis actually were the MVPs of the
show because Judy had to tackle all of the dramatic stuff,
you know what I mean, Her character felt everything. She
was the nurse, she was the mother of the hospital.
And Ken Jenkins, his character was the evil dad or
the you know what I mean the grandpa who was
just over it all and was like, I just you know,

(57:03):
I want this hospital to make money. We're broke, and
all that matters is if their insurance is going to
pay for it. If it's if they're not, get them
out of here because we're we're broke. We got no dough.
And I thought to make those two to make that
character lovable is a really really, really hard thing to do,

(57:25):
and he did it effortlessly, it seemed like in my eyes.
And and same thing with Judy, you know what I mean.
Judy would played a role that was definitely needed in
this band of misfits. She played this character that was
just motherly and took care of you know, Bambi came

(57:45):
from that. That's that that stuck throughout the whole show.
You being called Bambi.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Yeah, I noticed that. Her very first line that comes
out of her mouth is calling me Bamby. I didn't
I didn't know that. It's I didn't remember that. But
that's stuck for the whole run of the show. And
of course people will still call me that on the
street when I'm past them, but uh, her very first
line is calling me Bambi.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah, you know what I mean. And it was it
was just we knew what we were there to do.
We're here to be funny, and we're here to make
everybody laugh, and you know, and and at times we're
gonna get dramatic and everything like that. But Judy and
Ken had the tough roles. In my opinion, you knew
Judy was supposed to make everybody feel safe. Ken was
supposed to make everybody feel anger, you know what I mean,

(58:28):
in this in this crazy world. And they did it
so perfectly.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
And and Ken had a lot of the you know,
social commentary that Bill was trying to get in there
about how fucked up the healthcare system is and how
how how fucked up it is that hospitals are like
no insurance, get them out of here, like you know,
what do you like? Right away in the pilot. Of course,
these issues are so relevant today more than ever. But
right away in the pilot you have them going, look,

(58:52):
I don't care that you know nothing. Let me tell
you a couple of things. If they don't have insurance,
get him out of here, and uh and and and
and Bill geniusly found a way to make that. And
of course Ken Jenkins is an actor. Together, they found
a way to make that character so lovable even though
he was a he was the antagonist. Yeah, I want
to talk about thirteen minutes in thirty eight seconds. I'm

(59:14):
looking at a still of you making out with Judy.
Reyis right, and Todd in the frame I have up.
Todd is watching because it's part of the fantasy.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Who going?

Speaker 1 (59:24):
So what was it like?

Speaker 3 (59:25):
You know?

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I think people who aren't actors are always curious what
it's like when you meet someone. Hey, nice to meet you,
and then all of a sudden you have to just
go do a fake makeout scene with them.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
I feel like that was the first day I met
Judy too, and really, yeah, I feel like that was
our first scene together and I hadn't you know, I
remember me. I don't remember Neil at the table read.
I don't remember Judy. I don't remember Ken at the
table read. I remember meet you Johnny and Sarah for
some reason, and so when we did the makeout scene,

(59:56):
I feel like that was my I know, it's not
the first day I met her. That's my first real
memory of Judy, you know what I mean? And I
remember she smoked cigarettes right before the scene and I was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Like, Ah, that's a power move, that's a power move.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
That's how you do it. But I realized that's how
you do it. If you're gonna make out with somebody,
make it so they got to work, and not make
it so it's them having a great time making out. No,
this is a job, dude, This is this isn't this
isn't you getting your rocks off while we're doing this scene.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
It's funny to think about someone smoking like I mean,
I don't do you know any I mean, it's rare
to see anyone smoking cigarettes at all anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Oh No, there are a lot of people that still
smoke cigarettes. Now vaping has turned into the work.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I like vaping, of course, but just the idea that
Judy was, I guess a smoker when we started.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I was a smoker when we started. I spoke that's started.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
And Neil was always a smoker.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, when we started doing the show, I think a
lot of a smoke cigarette. I mean in the cast
maybe you, Sarah and Johnny and Ken didn't, but everyone
else did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah, I didn't remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
And then us doing the kissing stuff and then watching
the episode and none of that made the show. Really,
all it is is me, we're kind of cuddled up together.
We're kind of cuddled up together, and uh, and Rob's
over us watching. But I remember doing the scene if
feeling way more intimate than that, you know what I mean,

(01:01:25):
way more you know what I mean, and then watching
it being like, oh, they didn't use any other other
good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Right, Well, it's a really quick moment. And I love
that she's I love that you're naked, and she's like,
all right, thanks, I'm out. I thought that was a
cool introduction of her character.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
She was like, and I also and I also liked
that your imagination was me scoring in reality, the real
what really happened was I got played and then got
turned into you know, I got you know, I stripped
down for someone.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Right, And she was like she got you know, she
just wanted to make out with someone and be like
later and she like she was like she kind of
like used you, whereas in my imagination you were using her.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah, that was clever. Yeah, I wanted to just talk
about that. It's going backwards. But that deer in headlight thing,
I still have the foam antlers. I'm staring at them
right now from that that fantasy where I imagine I'm
a deer in headlights, and and what we had to
do was they backed the macup, the big semi, right
up to my face. And the idea was for the

(01:02:26):
that the truck would floor it in reverse and and
then we'd play it and then we'd play it backwards
right so it looked like it was And then of
course it hit a mannequin too, but for this one shot,
and I remember standing there with my face against the
grill of a of a Mack truck and being like
leaning out to the driver, being like you sure it's
in reverse, right, Like like there had to be some

(01:02:47):
OSHA rule against that, but I but I was like
standing there going if this dude, Like I don't want
to cause any waves or anything, but I just want
to double check you're in reverse. We have finally saving
a life. Oh, we have a loma. We should about
a loma, right, the beautiful and talented Loma right who
played the nurse Roberts.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Nurse Roberts, who who whose introduction in the show is
you know amazing? Can you just call him so I
can go home? Please?

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Yeah? Can you just call him? Trying? She's so good
and and a Loma was one of the again another
example of someone who Bill just loved and thought was
so talented, and she you know, ended up being in
the whole the whole show until he eventually killed her off,
felt bad and brought her back as her twin sister,
which we'll get to that and later Vern again podcast Laverne.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Again again, I'm gonna call you Laverne again.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
So we were thinking of like trying to summarize what
the lesson of the episode was, But I mean, I
think the episode, the lesson of the of the pilot
was basically the theme song, which is I can't do
this all on my own, right, I mean right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
It's the introduction of how difficult it is to be
a doctor in a hospital and how the medical staff
at a hospital really depends on each other there to work.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Yeah, And I think, I mean, I don't think it's
a big leap to say that a lot of people
related the show because they can see that on their
own lives and how you turn to your friends and
your family. I mean, I think the show can be,
as we all know, can be very very heartwarming, and
that was what Bill did so geniusly was how it'd
be so funny and crazy and silly and fantasies and everything,
and then all of a sudden you can turn a

(01:04:22):
corner and you're losing a patient like I did at
the end, or or you see that our friendship is
so so sure.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
It's still solid, also conquering fear, you know what I mean.
JD was so afraid to do everything. As a matter
of fact, him and Elliott hide in a closet at
one point and doctor Cox catches them doing it and
understands why they're afraid. But then at the end of
the show still gives j D the confidence to perform

(01:04:55):
whatever it is you did with the tube and the
blood and all of that stuff, something that you know
JD was very afraid of, and made him feel like
he was going to be okay. And he was, and
he had a support group around him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Yeah, and I think that's it. That's that's the pilot.
I think we just we just did it. We did
our first podcast. I love you and I love you
so much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Hey, listen, if you're a fan and you made it
to the end, thank you. We want we're gonna keep
doing this. We want you to watch the show with us.
We're gonna do this every week and and you can
just join us, tell your friends, and every week we're
gonna go through another episode, and we're gonna take a
fan question. If you have a fan question, Donald, we

(01:05:39):
have set up a Gmail account the iHeart people.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Have, right, and that account is That account.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Is scrubsiheart at gmail dot com. So scrubs and then
I heart at gmail dot com and so said, thank you.
We want you to submit questions and then are our
beautiful producers here will will work out all logistics and

(01:06:07):
and we'll have you on. We're gonna take a question
each podcast. We're gonna have guests on. We're gonna start
having fellow cast Members're gonna obviously gonna have our creator
of the show, Bill Lawrence on. Who else we're gonna
have on Donald, some of.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
The my goodness, we're going after, you know, even some
of the people that you remember but don't know, like
Snoop Dogg. In turn, we're gonna reach out to him.
We're already head did he already.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Snoop dog intern already slid into my DMS and I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Mick had already said he's down. We're gonna even have
that we're gonna have the stand ins on the show
who did a lot of the work that you see,
uh before we went in and did it set up
the shots they you know, So it's gonna be a
bunch of people writers, We're gonna have uh, directors everything.
Hopefully we could get some big names too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I'm sure Scott Foley would come on and we could
just say nobody cares Sean over and nobody Sean nobody cares.
So follow Donald and I on Instagram and Twitter and
please tell your friends because we hope this is is
a big success. Because for us this was I don't
know about you, Donald, but this was a lot of fun.
I kind of don't want to stop talking, but I

(01:07:10):
feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Oh, absolutely should. This was actually the you know I
talk about Clueless as the jump off point in my
life where I was introduced to the industry and I
learned a lot of things. But Scrubs was really like
the you know, that was the thing that took it
over the top for me as an actor, where I
had an actual job where I was able to you know,

(01:07:30):
pay my rent and I built a family because I
was able to be a part of this wonderful show.
So you know, I owe a lot to you, Zach,
I owe a lot to Bill Lawrence. I owe a
lot to the cast and the crew of this of Scrubs.
So I'm really excited to talk about it with fans
who enjoyed the experiences that we had.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Yeah, and as always, I agree with everything you said,
And as always, thank you for being our fans, and
thank you for supporting the show. It was a joy,
boy to make it for you and Donald. I hate
this quarantining. I just want to be with you all
the time. I want to know there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Will be a day again, Hopefully there will be a
day again where you and I can eagle.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
I can't wait to ride you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
I feel like that's how we should end. Shoul we
end with that? Now, let's end with that. Don't say,
don't speak, don't speak, Let's just stand with that. Goodbye, everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Here's some stories I'm not sure we made about a
bunch of dogs and nurses and said, he's a story. Yea, yea,