Real Friends Classic - 206: My Big Brother with Tom Cavanagh

Remember when the dreamy Tom Cavanagh joined us. What a delight he was! Enjoy this recap of season 2 episode 6. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, guys. What you're trying to get into a day shoon?
What you're trying to do? That's a ring tone right there.
That's a fire song, by the way, and it song
I gotta tell you. Since I told them our listeners
about it and you remind you about it, I've been
singing it NonStop. It's like, you know how you usually
get like a summer hookie song in your head. My

(00:21):
summer hookie song in my head is what you're trying
to get in. Oh, I'm damn wrong. That's amazing because
twenty years ago your summer song was turned me inside out.
So I can't speak because you're everywhere to me. When
I when Michelle Branch knows how many shout outs she

(00:41):
gets on this podcast, Yeah, she should know because she's
not alone. Oh. I think Michelle Branch must be aware
of how many times over the years I've spoken about her.
Do you think Michelle Branch gives two shits about us?
Do you think so? Yes? I think Michelle Brand she
likes any people that are talking about a song she

(01:02):
wrote twenty years ago. I hear that, man. I do
know what happened to her? She joined so she she
I think she got married, had kids, joined a band.
Doesn't mean she gave up her musical she did. She was.
She's in a band right now. It's her and another
young lady and they do they do music together, would
they do? As long as they cover every do me?

(01:23):
They do very they do? Uh? That very good. Casey
put me onto them because you know how Casey works
in music sometimes. And she put me onto them and
was like, Yo, she's dope. She joined a band. I rocked.
I rock out to her in my trouble. You know,
I've been thinking about putting my my, my, my sort
of girl pop workout list on the on on on
the web so people can do that shit. Yeah, do

(01:44):
that shit, yeah, because iTunes needs that. Yeah, people listen.
I can never find a workout playlist that suits my needs. Right.
A lot of people clearly agree with you on on
rap and hip hop because if you go on like
the standard playlist US on iTunes or wherever, they're all
like ninety five percent of that and and like hits

(02:06):
one is all like stuff. I don't listen to wog
do you don't listen to the woutang. I don't listen
to No, I don't listen to Woo Tang. You know who?
But you know who method Man is. Yeah, of course
he was in Garden State. That's right, that's right. But
you know he's in You do know that he is
in a band with about twelve people. Can you name
bo other Wu Tang members? There's Woo, there's Tang, there's clan.

(02:34):
I'm gonna say some names, and you're gonna be like, oh, yeah,
I've heard of them. Of course, A dirty bastard, of
course I've heard of him. He was, he was, he
died right, Yes, he did the Rizza. Yeah, I've heard him.
I can picture him, dude, the Rizza. We hung out
with him one night. Yeah, and you spell it rza.
I know that. Yeah, we hung out at chateau. He
came through and kicked it with us that night we
were hanging. You're not supposed to talk about chateau on

(02:55):
this actually, so let me take that back. Well, you
know what happens at the chateau is supposed to stay
the chateau right now, you can't be dropping chateau things.
I hung out with Drake at the chateau once. Do
you see look at you spilling the beans? Okay, go ahead,
who else Rizza ODV method Man, method Man, ghost face Killer. Yeah,
I've heard of him. I can't picture his face. I
can't God, you God, I don't know you God. The Jisa,

(03:20):
I don't know the Jizza. That's the genius, uh inspector
deck there you go. Wow, there's a big band. A
lot of people in this band of people. Oh yeah,
it's a huge band. You really like their music a lot?
Are you kidding me? I smoke on the mic, like
smoking Joe Frazier, the Hell raizor raising hell with the flavor,
terrorizing jams, like troops in Pakistan, swinging through your town

(03:41):
like a neighborhood spot and man so um TikTok keep ticking.
Come on now, you don't know nothing about the boot
tang okay yo m met h o d man met
h o d man. Hey, you get off my cloud.
You don't know me, and you don't know my down.
You don't notice. No. I have a question though, when

(04:03):
you when you have a big like rap supergroup like that,
are there they all? Hey, dirty baby, I got your money,
don't you worry? I said, Hey, yeah, that's why, before
you go into another song, I have a question, do
they all take turns like I'm gonna rap now, all right,
now you're up. You rapped now that kind of thing

(04:23):
like like like they take turns. Well, some of them
have like a connection. So you remember run DMC growing
up right, Yes, yes, yes, the Adidas my Adidas, Right,
those two had a connection. So when they rapped, they could,
when they rom they could bounce off of each other.
Some people it's like you and I, how we have
a good uh how we have good chemistry. Same thing

(04:44):
with rappers, right, and you look for when you're a rapper,
you look for that person that you have chemistry. Drake
and Future have really good chemistry together. So they do
a lot of records together, right, um. And so it's
the same thing you know, uh in in the Wu
Tang because it was so big, the Woo is so big,
there are little tiny groups withinside the sub groups within

(05:05):
the Wu. Right. So ghost Face and uh ghost Face
and ray Kuana Chef. That's the one I forgot to mention.
I should have put Ray Kuana. He got the best one.
He got probably the best one. Bill for Cuban Links
is probably the best Wu Tang record in my opinion.
It's got so many good songs on it. Anyway, ghost
Face and Ray Kuan do very well together and on

(05:28):
record they bounce off of each other very well. So
they are Uh now, who's your favorite? If you had
to pick one member of the Wu Tang clan, that's
like your favorite rapper in the group, the Jisa, the Genius.
I like him a lot. I liked Odb a lot.
I like I like Meth Method man, I like I

(05:50):
like all of wo To be honest, they still they still,
like ghost Face got somebody life. When the world's normal,
do they still tour? I hope? So it's at the egos. Man,
it's a lot of them, man, how do you do that?
How do you That's like? Look, the Jackson five couldn't
stay together and they were brothers. How do you do
we go on the road eventually touring this show, I

(06:12):
feel like your ego is gonna sore like an eagle
out of control. It depends on if they you're gonna
have demands, you're gonna have in your rider. There's gonna
be all sorts of rules, no eye contact. It all
depends on how loud they applaud for me. If they
applaud for you, louder than they applaud for me. I
feel like I'll fall into a little you know, I'll

(06:33):
back into a going applaud for me more than they
applaud for you. You damn right, man, I want my
bus to be bigger. Yeah, we're gonna measure up. We're
gonna have the same bus. Listen when Dan, We're gonna
bring Dan and Joel and Dan's gonna bring his thunderous
applause button, so we'll be able to augment whatever the
crowd does. We'll be able to augment the audience. You ever,

(06:54):
We're look at an award show and you hear the
applause and an award show, and then you look around
and no one's clapping. Yeah, like like like no one
in an award show is paying attention, so that they'd
they'd be like a third of them clapping, so they
just augment all this thunderous applause. Well, that's gonna be
what Dan is doing for us when we're on tour
with this show. So before we before we start the show, yeah, Dan,

(07:15):
I'll be like, all right, so I need some thunderous
applause from you guys, Okay everybody, And now I need
some laughter, need some laughter? No, no, no, no, And
you're gonna bring it. No, bro, he's just gonna bring it.
It'll be, it'll be, it'll be a button. He well, hell, yeah,
he's gonna be. He's gonna bring it. Dan always brings it. Yeah,
Dan's gonna bring it, dude, He's gonna bring it. Of
course he brings it. We're gonna talk. I think we're

(07:39):
probably gonna play arenas and um, and we're gonna and
we're gonna need to do sound checks at these arenas.
If we play arenas, imagine that. Imagine we go to London. Yeah,
and what's the big area two? The two two, and
we play the O two. That would be the best
day of my life. I'm gonna tell you something right now, London,

(07:59):
make it happen. Let's put it out there, like I'm sure.
I'm sure we're gonna be playing like four hundred seat theaters.
But in reality, let's secret it that we sell out
the O two arena for fake doctor's real friends. That
would be the best. That would be the best night
of my life. Listen, you gotta put shit out there.
I gotta put outrageous shit out there and make it

(08:21):
come true. Remember I told you about the white board.
You'd get a whiteboard and you write the most outrageous
shit you want to have happened in your life, and
you look at it every single day. Who would you say,
did that? Um? Well, I have a lot of people
in my life and told me to this. But the
great the anecdote I referenced on the show was I'm
friends with John Legends manager and they her name is Tye,

(08:44):
and they went to a high school together. And she
said when he first started, they got a big whiteboard
and they were putting them out. They were like, let's
be outrageous, like I don't know, cover of Time magazine,
like this, many Grammys. They were like sitting there laughing
about the outrageous shit they were putting on this whiteboard.
And she turned to me and she said, every single
thing on that whiteboard happened. And uh and and she

(09:04):
said that now I do whiteboards with all my clients
and and like, you know, so anyway, it's about manifesting,
it's about making shit happen. I have a whiteboard in
my bedroom and I'll some some thing's on there, are
like goals I have, and some things on there. Are
like outrageous. I mean, obviously we're not gonna sell it
out arena, but I'm saying you can. You can no
put that shit on the board. It could happen. It
happened for John Legend. Man, the dude's got egot. He

(09:27):
got the egot. Let's make it happen. Dude. Well, maybe
we have to bring John Legend. If it was like
if we opened for John Legend, let's do it. Let's
call a Legend. Yeah, man, listen, the guy's got an egot. Okay,
so put your egot on your board. I believe in
it because you look at the board every day and
even in your subconscious brain, your mind is going, I'm

(09:47):
gonna find a way to work on that today. I'm
gonna make that call I I'm afraid to make. I'm gonna,
you know something, for some people, it's fitness. They're like,
you know what, I just looked at that white board,
and I gotta get on the trap bill today. I
promise myself. That's what's know. I like you, I'm gonna
I'm gonna put the white board in my in my bedroom,
get a white shirt with Casey. I'm gonna be like
baby let's put the most outrageous yes on this board.

(10:09):
I'm telling you, listeners, this is the you know, Brene Brown,
very popular. This is our Brene Brown moment. This is
our self help motivational moment on Fake Doctor's Real Friends.
You can make anything happen. Okay, dude, I love this.
I love this. I love you. I love that we
did this together, the four of us and our and

(10:29):
our listeners. What'd you make that shit happen? Let's do
I have a sweatshirt on today because my wife those
Bieber things. No, it's Mickey Mouse, you know, my my
my forty something crisis is U is being managed by
just getting lots of tattoos. Nice, good for you, man.
I was always afraid to get tattoos because my father
hated them. And when my sister died, I got her

(10:51):
name in Hebrew on my on my arm, and my
father kind of like was okay with that because it
was you know, meaningful and it was Hebrew. And then
when he passed away, like I realized that so much,
even though I was in my forties, I still was
so nervous about what my father would think. And then
I was like, all right, it's time to fucking tattoo
the shit out of myself right on. So you're gonna
have a sleeve soon. Well, I don't know about a sleep.

(11:13):
But where do you want your face? When I get it?
I was thinking my left aariola. I was thinking your
face for sure. I mean, what if I did you
on my pictoralis major and now listen and then your
mouth was open, but then in your mouth was my leftariola.
That's weird. That's weird. I prefer you just got my
face on your face, like you took my face and

(11:34):
tattooed it on your face. He just had a whole
episode about this though. No, I didn't say on his
whole face, like my face on his cheeks. Ye. I
don't know how I'm second. I don't know second Joel
black face? If I Joel, can you imagine you can
see all you can pick up his him painting my

(11:55):
face on his face? You wouldn't be face off tex
But like a tattoo for a right, No, it would
be an outline Joel, Joel, it would be an outline.
Joel's like now managing all of our black face issues.
She's like, guys, sounding like that might be black food Hey, guys,
I got to chime in here. That sounds like it
might be black Joellie would be an outline. It wouldn't

(12:16):
be like colored in, it would be it would be
an outline of Donald's face. Well, I would just want
it on your cheek or on your forehead, you know.
By the way, the guy tattoos me told me that
we were talking about all these young kids that are
getting tattoos on their face and how ridiculous it is,
and he said that he's really surprised that any of
these artists are doing it because there's sort of this
unwritten code amongst tattoo artists that you would never put

(12:38):
a tattoo on a on a young person's face, right
and because for obvious reasons, And he said, um, and
now that there's this fad of it happening, he thinks
that they're all just doing it for Instagram fame, because
these kids are often, you know, famous people, and they're
doing it saying, fuck it, I'm gonna get my fifteen

(12:59):
minutes of fame. But you know, I get these young
people that are all tattooing the shut of their faces. Dude,
you might not be able to get the money later.
You know what I mean, get the money now if
you can. That's that's the that's the Yolo man. You
only live once. You know you would tattoo a child's face. Donald,
I'm not. First of all, I am not a tattoo artist,
so I'll never have to put myself in this situation.

(13:19):
You just told these guys to yolo and tattoo someone's face.
I'm saying, the reasoning behind it is this, dude, do
you You don't listen. If scrubs didn't happen, you don't
know what you would have done to make them to
make ends meet. If you're acting, if you're acting and
directing stuff, you know what I mean, You could have
gone into a business that you might not be proud of.

(13:40):
You might be You might be Instagram model right now
in the air and a thong. I'm talking about you, followers.
I love how these girls the Instagram influence people. They
took like a little time off for COVID and the
Black Lives Matter movement, and now they're all back fucking
tushes in the air, selling tea on some yacht and abiza.

(14:07):
Oh my god, Yolo. Nobody says Yolo anymore? What do
they say these days, I don't know TikTok dancing. I've
been inside so long, I have no idea what the
kids are saying. Well, they're all on some old guy's
yacht doing a TikTok dance. But you know what, they
must have put that ship on a white board. Imagine

(14:27):
that was on the whiteboard. That's the white board. Did
you want to be that's their fucking whiteboard. I want
to be on a yacht having somebody paid for it,
making that Instagram money. That's what's up. That's what's right. Okay,
there it is. Go for yours, listen. That's what I
say to everybody and anybody out there who has dreams

(14:49):
and they want fame. As long as you don't disrespect
nobody or hurt nobody, go for yours. Man. Yeah, but
if you can try and go for something that's contributes
to society in some meaningful way, sure you can find
yourself later on. You got to everybody has something to say.
I miss you so much at her, I miss you
so much more, dude. So should we get into the show?
Tom cavanas here, I'm so excited to count us in

(15:11):
six seven eight stories about show we made about a
bunch of docs and nurses, and he's the stories. So
get around you, here, a yado around you here. What

(15:35):
a show? What a show we have today, Donald, it's
a really good episode. And the hilarious Tom Cavanaugh is here.
We have so much to say. Let's just get in, Dan,
allow him into the room. Here he comes. I haven't
seen him in years. I haven't seen him in years.
Tom call thunders. Applause, Dan thunder thunders, applause. Look at

(15:56):
how handsome he is. It's like, look at here, Row
and look at him, like look in the mirror. It's
that's that's pandemic. You've got the pandemic face going on.
How you did get more handsome with age? Tom Cavanaugh?
And I can say that because people think we look alike.
This is true. I can say, likewise, my friend, look
at you guys, my goodness, grass, I'm so good, so

(16:18):
good to see your face as holy hand. Are you
living in Canada or do you live in the US?
Still well, I live in New York, but I film
a show in Canada, and when the pandemic hit, I
stuck it up north. Hi, Joel, I'm Tom by the way, Yeah,
I'm nice to meet you in person. I listen. I
listened to you guys. So I've sort of been familiar

(16:39):
with the know how to watch your show? Right? You
know I watch your show. I don't know that, but
I know you have like twenty seven children, so I
figured maybe in there in that demo somewhere but to
but now's not watching it for his kids. He's watching
it for so for me. I love the Flash, Dude,
are you kidding me? Gotta dynamite cast great old story?
Donald is your target demo? Tommy, he watches all of

(17:01):
this stuff. Is a bunch of teams. How does how do? Listen? Man?
Are you fine? Is this the only wisten? Now? Listen? Man?
Is this the only wells? Now? Are you the only well?
Is this? Is this the final wells? Because the multi Verse,
the crisis happened, and everything happened, and you know, there's
only what like four earths five earths now in the

(17:23):
whole arrow verse, and now Supergirl lives on Earth one
with you guys, and I don't know. My point is,
My point is, let the man fucking speak to no, no, no,
keep going? Are you really excited? I really do love
the show. I really do love the show. Now you
and Cisco Ramone together. I love Wells and Cisco Ramone.

(17:45):
I love the whole thing. So look, my question is,
are you the only Wells left? Now that you've gone
off and you've become pariah and everything like that, Is
this the only Wells there is? Here's what's ridiculous about
doing the show, a superhero comic show. I run into
people like like you, and I just I'm so inferior
with my knowledge. I'm like, you know more, you know

(18:08):
more than me. And I'm not exaggerating. I'm not trying
to play Donald. I'm like, I understand by listening to
you that you have a better grasp of the whole
thing than I do. I feel like, as you guys know,
when you do a long running television show, if there
needs to be another Wells, there can be another Wells.

(18:29):
That's what's upped. I thought that, Yeah, absolutely, here's the thing.
Can you not DoD First of all, catch your breath,
Come now, Okay, you're embarrassing us in front of our guests. Listen,
this is this is exactly what I did to George
lucas Man, exactly what I can get too. By the way,
when this show's over, He's gonna take a nap because
he's gonna get woozy. He gets very amped up and
then he gets woozy. This is This is all the

(18:51):
fans out there who were wondering how I keeek out
when I when I meet or talk to people that
do something that I'm like holy shit about. This is
it right here? I can't breathe right now. I sweating.
I know I have a sweatshirt on, but I'm sweating
under here, all right, But calm down now. For those
of you who don't know, Tom is on the Flash.
And as I understand it, with the CW superhero shows,
you bounce around to the other shows in the same universe, right,

(19:14):
and that's all. They're all under the Greg Berlany umbrella.
I'm gues the golden boy of Hollywood that used to
be Bell Lawrence is now Greg Berlanty and Ry has
he has four hundred shows on the air. Yeah. By
the way, my very first job, Tom Cavin well first
lead in the movie was Broken Hearts Club, Greg Berlany's
first movie. That's tremendous and um and now and and

(19:35):
and he we went to Northwestern together and he now
He's like, has the most shows on television of anybody.
You and I when we were talking about doing your podcast. Uh,
the text that came up right next to that text
the last time we talked. I can, I can I
read a text that you as long as it's not

(19:55):
like you up, it's quite It's like four in the
morning and I'm hammered you up. No, it's solid comedy.
It's uh, you say, um tell Berlanti, I want to
do a cameos reverse Flash's brother. I say done. You say,
totally unbuild though a surprise, but I'll need special powers.

(20:17):
I say, make a list, power list, nothing with heavy hammers.
That shit is boring. You say, laser eyes please. I
would say those are free. That sounds great. I feel
like it's a miss. Why did that never fucking happen? Now?
I feel like, now that I've done this and I
know that don't wants to be on board, I feel
like now it's now. Now you're forcing his hand because

(20:38):
you're putting it out to the public, and I's gonna
have to hire you. I was we were talking about
white boards and putting manifesting your destiny onto white boards.
This is on my white board. I'm putting it out
there right now. I'm want to call BERLANDI and I
had to call him about something else. Um, but I'm
gonna call BERLANDI and say, listen. Tom said I could
be on the show. Yeah, because I have that kind
of ball. Yes, I spoke to talk can He said,

(21:02):
hang on a second, Tom, Yeah, he's got it. He's
got so many he's got so many shows. He's like
Tom Tom Tom Tom. He's like, no, I know who
he is. I know who he is. And then he called,
he calls to his secretary. Do we still do flash? Yeah?
But by the way, how funny would that be if

(21:23):
Donald and I came on? I mean I don't, to
be honest, I don't. I don't get breathless about the
superhero stuff like Donald, but he really loves it. So sorry,
I digress the point. You should do it. I know
the other thing you should do, Donald, You should figure
out knowing it as you do. You should figure out
what the what the role is that you want? Because
I know what role I want. There's what do you want?
I want to listen, I'm gonna put it out there.

(21:46):
You want to hope you guys kind of opened it
up when Arrow ended, and I know, I'm not sure
if you guys are allowed to touch it. You kind
of touch on it in Star Girl. But I think
Green Lantern needs to be in this you know what
I mean? Jee Is Joel is a big fan of
this world too, and there's so many, uh, there are

(22:08):
so many that are in the Lantern Court and now
I know that, you know. And also size doesn't matter
when you're a Lantern. You could be tiny, you could
be why think you could be You're right? Come on, man? Anyway,
My point is, I think that's one character that would
be a lot of fun, uh to play. They you know,
they entered There's so many people in the DC universe.

(22:29):
But if I had a choice and they were willing
to do it, I would love to be Green Lantern,
all right, And I think that's really special endeared to Greg.
So I think that's great you're making this happen new
slash right, and the Green can the Green Lantern forty six.
He can be anything, he could be any Look, I'm

(22:51):
playing the reverse Flash. I'm a yellow. I'm wearing a
yellow super suit and sorry Tom for those of us
who don't know. And I'm sure some of our listeners
don't know. Can you just explain in in non superhero
terms what reverse Flash means? Is there a young guy flash? Yes,
there's a good looking It's kind of like when we

(23:12):
did Scrubs, Like a good looking, handsome guy is the lead,
and then they cast this guy as his brother guy.
Is he Bell Lawrence? A lost a bet somewhere, so
basically a young Tom. When you insult your looks, you
insult my looks because I aize. So you're a handsome
you look like real pit to me when you when
you when you came on, I thought we got I
thought we got Tom Kavanaugh. Why is Brad Pitt on

(23:34):
the podcast? That's what that's what you thought? Okay? Sorry?
What is the reverse Flash? For those of us? So,
he's the he's the Joker to the Batman, the Lex
Luthor to the He's he's the bad guys that we
have a young fellow. Grant Gustin plays the Flash and
the arch Enemy is the reverse Flash. He wears a
red suit, and I play the arch Enemy, the reverse

(23:54):
Flash of Barton. I wear a yellow suit. And that's
kind of it. Are you doing lots of stunts and fighting? Yeah, yeah,
can you imagine it's crazy. You know that bucket list
that you have an as an actor and you want
to do this theater, you want to do this show,
You want to do something like you want the white board. Yeah,
the white parson I started, We started the show time
before we came on, talking about just manifesting things by

(24:15):
putting on a white board and staring at it. And
it was weird to be in your green room and
not have the speakers going. I'm like, I wonder what
they're talking about. We were talking about you, we were
talking about manifesting, and then you well, that's exactly. That's
a great that's such a great call. This is one
of those things I never would have expected to do
a superhero show, and it's a you know, in terms
of a bucket list, it's it's so fun. Yeah, you

(24:37):
guys look like you have a lot of fun on it,
and it has no end in sight. On your show,
it has no end in sight. I mean, I just
feel like they Greg Berlin keeps adding more and more
to this, to this world, right, I don't know if
they're all they all must be successful because they all
keep going. I honestly, I honestly don't know. I never
would have thought. I think when they started a number
of years ago, they had and they've done super you

(25:00):
know what was the Superman show? Small and right, um,
and then they did Arrow and Arrow I think did well.
And then but when we started Flash, you guys, you
guys all know how it is. We started Flashing, I
said to my wife, well, this will be canceled in
seven so I'll go up to Vancouver from New York
and we'll shoot and then it'll get canceled. Because even
at that time, I had done two shows for Greg

(25:22):
and both of them had you know, been canceled relatively quickly,
because that's just how it goes. And so I didn't
foresee it, you know, I just I never expected to go,
and this thing seemed to go. And even when you
say there's no end in sight, I still expect that
you'll just get the call like, hey, so we're done.
You just never know. For those of you not in
the entertainment ustry, we just we just never know. You know.

(25:45):
You get you get a show like Scrubs and you're like, oh, yeah,
this could go six episodes and then it goes nine
years or you know, or or you know, Donald did
this show, um and it won a season, and I
did a show when a season you just have, it's
every single time, it's a roll the dice, no matter
no matter how many good ingredients there are, you just
never know. Yeah, and most of the time the numbers

(26:05):
are it's gonna get canceled. It's not going to go right,
especially now more than ever, because you know, it's there's
so much content. How the hell does something fine? Eyeballs?
You know, and you're on you're on the classic old
school true network. You know, you guys do twenty four
episodes a season. Do you know what it's like to

(26:27):
be able to do something? Most I remember? I remember
I did a show called The Xes right after Scrubs,
right of course. Yeah, we did ten episodes a season.
That was it for an actor. It's like, wait, well,
hold on, let's I want to be I want to
work all year round if I possibly can. It was

(26:47):
really weird to work ten episodes and then have all
of this time off until you came back and did
another ten. Or you would do what we would do
thirty and they would just chop it up into episodes.
It was like you never really find you never really
find a pace or a footing. It's like, well, how well,
how long have we going? We're only got to do
ten twenty two. You guys seem to you know, you

(27:08):
live in Canada right now? Yes? Yeah? Yeah? Is Vancouver, Vancouver,
Canada coniferous jewel of the city. Have you guys been?
I have? I love that town. I think it's a
beautiful city. I love it there. I was there when
the sun was out and it was magnificence. Yes, And
then I was told that it's not always like that,
and I don't know if I would if I would

(27:30):
like that rainy it's a yeah, it's a it's a
question of taste, Like when the sun shines. There's no
finer place. I don't mind the rain. But I think
if you were somebody that didn't like rain and preferred
like seasons and snow, then this city would not be
for you. But it really is. It really is a
coniferous jewel of the city. And are you mostly on
stages and such or do you go out and shoot
on locations and stuff. It's it's almost fall as a

(27:53):
pretty regular schedule where we do a lot of stage
work early in the week, and then we do all
this the stunt stuff. You know, it's always you know,
so Thursday, Friday nights, we're gonna be we're gonna start
you know, five pm, or we're gonna go all night
and we're gonna like, you know, have the guy run
up a building and fight a monster and then like
we're gonna come back and win. You know. So you
kind of you kind of you kind of have to
stay in shape for this thing, like you're you're asked

(28:14):
to do way more than you expected to do when
you started. Huh y. It's a blessing and a curse,
you know, because the other thing is too is as
you guys know too Like I mean, I'm older than
you guys, but there's a there's a thing where you
when you were a young actor, you could be vain,
but you wouldn't really matter because you're probably gonna look fine,
you know. And then you get a little bit older,

(28:36):
and then your coast the people you're acting with, your
co actors are twenty eight, twenty nine, you know, and
they're fantastic, and then there's you, you know, and he's
he looks great in the suit, and then you can't
really be on the donut diet while you're on the suit,
so you kind of have to keep keeping in shape,
you know. And so it's so you hang out with

(28:56):
Jesse al Martin a lot. Jesse is a legend, as
you guys know, coming from either He's just he's amazing.
He's got this thing sucks because he's the captain. You know,
he can he working with a hat and an overcoat.
He doesn't have to worry too much of it. He's
just like he's kind of like he runs. He basically
is the beating heart, you know, runs the show, the

(29:16):
center of you know, reason, and uh, you know he's
he's got a great job and appreciate it. So tom
Um when ed when the show ed, I want to
talk to about that. When it came out, I was
an unemployed actor and my mom called me a very
very concerned that I that I that I had gotten
a lead in the TV show and not told her

(29:38):
because she didn't understand why why I was on billboards
all over the country. And it is I mean no,
it is, I mean she she she obviously sucked that
it was not me, but she was like, there is
a young man. He was on every billboard in town
and he looks a lot like you, and I remember thinking, oh, yeah,

(30:01):
my mom, that's that's not me. Uh yeah, I'm still
still trying to get some auditions going and uh and
it was really humbling because I was like that fucking
guy who looks exactly like me as a as a
hit show leading role on NBC. Now, no one's ever
gonna hire me. By the way, Dak Shephard, who also
looks like us so, told me this. He was like

(30:23):
when I was, when I was, you know, became famous
and was all over the place. He was like, well,
how is this gonna fuck my career? Because I look
like that guy and that guy's already working. And so anyway,
I wanted to talk to you about ED and tell
us I imagine that was your big break, right, I
mean I know you worked a bunch, but that was
your first your own show, right for sure? I mean,

(30:44):
first off, Dak's and you have done quite well for
Yourse House. Yeah, I worked out So's right, Romano, guys,
So's Ray Romano. Yes, it worked out. It didn't work out,
but yeah, I had done. I'm Canadian and um I
had I moved to New York City and I think
eighty nine to do Broadway, I did like a decade

(31:06):
of theater um and UM. I absolutely loved it, absolutely,
one hundred percent loved it. And then I had done
a small guest spots for literally for ten years on ABCNBC.
Back then there was like just the four Right, and
I'd done a show called Providence and then. But I
had no idea of the profile that you guys enjoyed

(31:28):
on Scrubs because the shows a lot of the shows
that I'd done when they were television shows or series.
I've done a couple of series in Canada. They were
Canadian shows, um. And there's no cross border pollination between
the two countries. Um. In other words, you'll shoot a
show in Canada and you'll do ten episodes, but everybody
in Canada is watching friends. You know who's watching these

(31:51):
Canadian shows. Well, it's it's different in Canada. There's a
federal mandate for these television shows, so they do them, um.
And some of them are quite quite good. And there's
not a there's not a mill the way there is
behind the entertainment industry and the states up in Canada,

(32:11):
it doesn't you know, part of the ethos of the
country is like, well, let's not get too big for
ourselves then, you know, and so and in the States
it's very much the opposite, like let's see how we
can build up and how big we can get. And
why that why that ethos is good is that you know,
you you, if you're working as an actor, you're working

(32:32):
largely because you love it. Because a lot of the attention,
at least back then. Now it's different because everything can
be found. But back then, you know, you were you
were doing the same stuff we would do on scrubs
that you'd come to set and there's all the you know,
the crew and there's the people and it's and it's
great and you love it. And then you leave set
and it's still the exact same experience. It's just that

(32:53):
you're not going to radio city music hall and doing
the upfronts, right right, I mean, and so, but it's
nice and it's range way because you understand that, oh,
this is this is what I love to do. And
by the time I got ed, like you know, fifteen
years later, it was I was aware enough that it
was still the same experience. And so even though suddenly,

(33:14):
like you say, there was like billboards plashed out all
over the place. I was readily aware that you know
that that was all that that can get ripped away
and it's semi superficial, and so I think that was
a nice little I don't know what it would be
like to have your face plastered all over the place
when you're in your mid twenties. I think it would

(33:34):
be a I think it would be a tough fight.
We didn't We didn't get a big billboard. By right,
why the NBC didn't go They certainly went all in.
Whoever made the billboard decision for ED went all in,
And by the time Scrubs came on, they were like, dude,
remember a few years ago we shot our billboard budget
on ED. We have no billboard. Yeah, I'm so sorry
about that, because that's why that's why you guys didn't

(33:57):
get that big bill But what was funny is I
I remember when the when Scrubs started, how just how
much of a splash it made. I'm sure you can remember,
and it's not lost on you, how like big a
deal that that was, Like that show was so important
it seemed at the time it was bizarre for us
because also, you know, we compare it to Now, you know,

(34:19):
the amount of people watching a single TV show just
doesn't happen anymore, especially live, um we really even at all,
but let alone live when it's airing. So it was
a completely different eras that would watch at our worst
at our worst TV shows. Now if they got our
worst numbers, right, yes, they would be considered hit shows. Yeah,

(34:40):
I mean yeah, Now a Tom Um was was ed
written for you? Or did you audition? No? No, no,
no they didn't No no, that was again that was NBC.
They didn't want me um at all. Like we had to.
They went through I think a year of casting known
people and um, you know, better humans, you know, and

(35:00):
then well, you know, just just some people that who
aren't in the entertainment industry know they'll often try and
get a known star and that's right, and if that
doesn't always work out for the reasons, and then they go, okay,
well let's start to read people that aren't famous yet,
and which is when this is how people like the
two of you. Well yeah, I mean exactly exactly. It's

(35:21):
exactly how both Tom and I got our parts exactly.
I was like the third I think the third round
or so of doing it the only reason I have
that job. I remember how generous you were at Bill's
fortieth and um we had the party and he was
you know, you were like, you were just so gracious
about because you're clearly incredibly talented, and yet you had

(35:44):
to wherewithal to say, I owe so much to this guy.
And I had the same story. There's a Robernette and
John Beckaman who ran the Late show with Ledhaman were
those are the guys that are the reason I got
the jobs. Those guys said this is the guy, and
you know, they managed to have enough stock that people
would listen to them. And without without somebody standing up

(36:07):
for you, sometimes you just it just doesn't, you know,
doesn't go your way. Those people are the only reason
I got that job. Do you know how many times
you auditioned? I know I auditioned once in Los Angeles,
and you know how it is when you're like, oh,
that that went well, you feel good about it. But
I was also like, okay, it was pilot season and

(36:28):
it was like one read during the day, but it
felt good. And then then they called me to have
the the sessions that they do. They have a studio
session and a network session and um, it was very
It was like and this is I hope this isn't boring.
I don't mean to talk about but they we went
and we had to do it. It was at CBS

(36:49):
at the time. By the way, I don't know if
you guys know that show that was CBS not NBC,
and CBS ultimately didn't think so they got picked up
at CBS and then CBS never aired the show, and
then a year later NBC picked it up, which is weird.
So we said that never happens. It never happened. Every
time you make a pilot, it's always such a bizarre thing,
both when I've been in them or when I've directed them.

(37:10):
You put so they put so much money in, they
put so much work in, and then a network chooses
what they choose, and then the discards are like they
have like the smell of shit on them. No one
will touch them, and it's like, it's like, what someone
just spent six million dollars making this pilot. You could
look at it and maybe recast, maybe you could recast
some things, you could you could reshoot half of it, whatever, Well,

(37:32):
why are you throwing it all away? It's so it's
always as a bizarre waste of money to me, because
there's there's diamonds in the rough that no one is
so this situation is very rare. That then another network,
wade man, we'll take it. I don't know that it
ever happened before with CBS. I think from what the
only reason that that happened was again because Robert net

(37:55):
And ran the Leediman Show. It was because Lediman had
such a big he was such a big paycheck, He's
such a big entity at the time. That was the
only reason I think that that that card. If a
producer didn't have that card to say, that would probably
have never never happened. But when I went into to read,

(38:15):
you know, estensibly the thing was a comedy with heart,
and so you know, you know, you know how these
it's so funny how these things change. So I went
into read. I was solid and funny in the room
and made them laugh. And then normally, okay, the job
is yours, this is at the network read. But then
somebody there's you know, twenty five people in the room,
and somebody starts going, but but what about this this

(38:36):
I don't like this about him? And then that sort
of you know something the next thing, you know, you
had it and then you don't have it. And I
remember Rob and John came out and Rob was he
had this real serious face and he's like, look, so
they don't know if you can. They don't know if
you can do straight drama. So even though it was

(38:57):
a comedic scene about a guy finding out that his
wife is sleeping with a mailman and uh, they're like,
you just need to do that scene again and throw
out all the comedy and play it like, you know,
play it like a Shakespeare tragedy. I was like, okay,
you know, oh my god. And I went in and
did that and you know, just completely straight as possible,

(39:17):
and they were like, okay, can you can do that too.
It's so amazing. Got the exact same speech I got
pretty much really fucked up. Yeah, pretty much when they
weren't saying fucked out. Donald legit fucked out. He didn't
say he sucked up. No, I didn't. Fun. When I
were auditioned for Scrubs, I got real big in the
audition because it was a comedic scene, and I got
real big and animated and Bill had to come out
and be like, dude, tone that shit, Dawn. Yeah, because

(39:42):
it's funny, as you know, like I think sometimes an executive,
here's another executive speaking, goes, I better weigh in as well,
you know, So suddenly they're like, he's big. Yeah, he's
too big, Yeah, he's too bid. Suddenly becomes and you're like,
oh no, if actors only if actors who have yet
to be in one of these rooms only knew how,
oh my gosh, the tight rope you're walking to try
and get a fucking role. Yeah, oh dude, and how

(40:03):
it just it just falls on one person being like,
I don't know what if, and then all of a
sudden you didn't have the part anymore, and you went
in the part for a second. Yeah right, I've been
in the room and watch somebody destroy it, like kill it,
come in and destroy it, and then someone else come
in and do a really good job but not destroy it.

(40:25):
And I saw, well the first person obviously, and one
person in the room was like, well, you know what,
I'm not sure that they actually look like the part.
You know what, You're right, they don't necessarily look like
the part. And all of this doubt happened, and the
person that crushed it did not get the role, and
the person that just did good got the role because

(40:46):
the listening to this, it's crazy, dud. I was once
working on something and this girl came in and she
was young, you know, she was like a young Jennifer
Garner type. She was really pretty. She was early twenties
and super expressive and funny, and I thought that she
should get the part. Another girl came in, very very funny. Well,

(41:06):
you could have done it too, but but I preferred
the first girl. I thought she was better. One of
the executives goes regarding the first girl, the young Jennifer
Garner type, but she goes, she's very expressive. Should we
worry about her wrinkling early? Oh wow, Now, mind you,
this is like a twenty early twenty something, your own girl,

(41:30):
and she's very pretty, and um the not only is
that the most ludicrous thing you can ever imagine another
human being saying, but in your mind, the show is
going to go so many years that that her her
wrinkles that come from her being expressive, we're gonna be
a problem. I mean, it was the most ludicrous thing
I've ever heard in my whole life. It's appalling. It's appalling,

(41:51):
the other part of it is actors can act, you know,
and so so I don't have any times. So you've
done a thing and then like, yeah, the feedback is, yeah,
we wanted a little bigger say that shit, you know,
say that ship. Why don't you let me do the
whole audit? Listen? Man, why did you let me do
the whole the audition that big? Then if that's the case,
somebody in the room could have said, hey, you know what,

(42:13):
I love your choice. You could be diplomatic about it.
I loved your choice, listen, can you tone it down
a little bit this time? Right? You know what I mean?
That never happens anymore, dude. I do remember though, back
in the day when I was going out for auditions
and it would be like somebody who was from the
urban or from the streets and stuff like that, and
you'd get the can you can you spice it up
a little dog? And you can't add a little something something?

(42:36):
Can you can you can you put a little sauce
on that? No? How would they say it? Like what's
the worst face? Some one would say that can you
spice it up a little bit? Spice it up? And
you'd be like what I had a producer say to
me once about a script. She goes, you know, she
was like old lady. She goes, you know, you could
go black with it, and I go, okay, yeah, that's

(42:59):
that's there's no reason. She goes, you know, they're doing
their thing. She did that jest. You guys can't see
the jets drumming. She sort of rocks back and forth.
She goes, you know, they're they're doing their thing. I
was one of the most awkward things I've ever witnessed.

(43:20):
I go, okay, so you want them to do their thing?
I got it? Oh my god, should we get it?
We have to take a break probably, yeah, break, and
then we're gonna get into the episode. All right, we'll
be right back with the Tom cavanaughhy So we always

(43:48):
talk about how everybody met Bill and how you came
to this show. You round up doing the show for
several seasons, lots of episodes. You might say you must
have been one of our most recurring guest stars. I
don't know that, but I can tell you I was
always hugely grateful to get the call. I sort of
feel like, even being on this podcast, it's sort of

(44:10):
like I'm sort of like I was telling your producers.
I've sort of like glommed my way on by like
you know, that's somehow this got put out there. But
I also felt that same way about Scrubs, like I
don't really do Scrubs, but I sort of like piggybacked
on the back of their success. And I've been basically
a parasite this whole time, and I'm so so grateful

(44:30):
for it because people loved you on the show. Tom, Sorry,
it's funny, and how like, no, no, but it's funny.
How like when you like ed isn't anywhere, you can't
find it anywhere. Most of this a lot of stuff
that's harder, harder to find. And I would say Scrubs
is the thing even though you know, you guys were
you get all. You guys did such a great job
and I did nothing. I still get recognized all the

(44:53):
time from I hear people all the time. I want
to say, hey, little brother, or they remember this, they
remember the bathtub episode. I remember this kind of thing.
You know, I was like nine years ago and people
are still like it's still residant. So I'm comedy Santo.
It's just like it's it's lovely to be associated with
your success. Well, people really loved you on the show.
They really um. You know, when when when Donald and
I talked about having guests on UM, a lot of

(45:14):
people um asked for the Tom Kavanov but um, but
wait a second, sorry, go back to what Donald asked,
How did you come about? How did it come about?
Did you know Bill? Or was it the obvious that
people thought he's on NBC he looks like Zach that
kind of thing. No. I I think I had been
friendly with Bill, and we weren't. We weren't friends before

(45:37):
we sort of became friends throughout, but we had, you know,
had spoken and gotten along UM and he uh, he
and his wife had always been like quite a friendly
and generous and stuff. And so I think it must
have been him saying, oh, okay, I know Tom. I
I have a friendly relationship with him, and so this

(45:58):
seems like a natural fit because of how we look.
I think you run into people and you're like, I
would like to work with this person again, you know
what I mean? That happens occasionally, and it almost never happens.
I think all your intentions are always great, and yet
you're still trying to have a job and survive and
so sometimes it's quite quite difficult, given you know, it's

(46:19):
very difficult to repatriot again. So I think I think
maybe we got along and then he was like, oh
this is this could be a nice little one off,
but then it end up being more, which is tremendous
because you're really good on the show man. Also, you know,
I we talk about this all the time and remembering
the shows. This is one of we talk about it

(46:39):
so much that it's become a Bingo. It's one of
the Bengo questions, Like somebody made a Bengo sheet, and
on the Bengo sheet it says they'll talk about at
some point, you know, if they talk about not remembering
the show, you get a letter, right, And this is
one of those moments because I really didn't remember this
episode that much. I knew the first episode I'll remember

(47:02):
you want is when John Ritter passed away and then
you out of nowhere. It was like, yo, you know what,
I'll come in and now and is that this one?
That's not this one? That's not this one at all?
That was another significant one that was such a Again,
you know, I think I don't know if you had
because you're there and you have no basic of comparison
for for you people, you guys were like all your all,

(47:24):
your all, your group was such a welcoming you know.
It's it's it's interesting because when you go through, you know,
thirty years of this stuff, it's not always you know,
it's not always a group like that. You know, and
I obviously don't know all the inside stories and stuff
because I would just come in and out. But but
being in a place where you felt welcomed and um

(47:46):
encouraged and uh, the idea is that that you guys.
I can remember laughing so hard at the stuff you
guys would do that wasn't in the script, knowing that
you would do the stuff verbatim as it was in
the script, knowing that you would get your blows, your
chances later. And I thought, this is incredible, Like this
this environment. I remember you, Zach doing one of I've
seen like the actor who played Ross Skeeller David Swimmer

(48:07):
running too m He had an open laundry door and
he like hits his head on it and falls over there.
That's one of the most solid modern day platfalls. And
you did one into a glass door that was like,
we're just we're just watching, you know, we're sitting by
the monitors, and I was like, I remember thinking this,
and this is like years ago. I remember things. I
could watch him do this all day long. Every time

(48:28):
you didn't get tired of it. You can't do it.
Every time you did it, it was like seemed like
better than the last. I wanted to get it right,
you know. I so enjoyed doing the physical comedy, and
I would get competitive just with myself, wanting to be wanting,
wanting to make a really good one. And and uh,
you know that was a bit of my That was
my sport if you will try to try to be
good at it. I remember one time in one of

(48:49):
the episodes, you jumped out and I just impropped monster. Yeah.
And you know, the funding about the show, as you
were just saying, was there was such a vibe of
just safety, that is, this is a safe environment. Go nuts,

(49:09):
do be adventurous. You know, Bill will tell you, you know,
obviously do it as written, but he'll tell you if
he wants you to bring it down. But I was
just watching this, your first episode, and you were making
such bold choices and tricky which is tricky because you
know we'd bound the show. We're regulars, we're there all
the time. We had we had kind of built up
that comfortableness for a guest star to come on and

(49:31):
be like, all right, I'm gonna do a bold character.
I'm gonna make bold choices. I was really I was
really impressed with you just watching it back, because it's
one thing if you do it like on your fifth episode,
here you are is your first time on set, your
guest star of a of a show that's that's really popular,
and you you came up with this character which was
nothing like your character on ED and was just bold

(49:52):
and funny. But it was probably a lot to do with,
like I say, just being around a place where people
are like, hey, have fun, enjoy I think I think
it just bears repeating that your show was such a
such a place where you know, you welcome people to
do that very thing you were talking about. I remember
also being so impressed. I'm sort of talk on about it,

(50:15):
but it just it just seemed like I remember season
six coming in and doing something and I remember thinking,
I remember watching on different shows i'd done, how you
know people buy into like, well, how what's our place
in the universe of television, like are we popular? Are we?
You know, are we getting enough attention? And um and
I think you guys probably had you know, the NBA.

(50:37):
Why aren't they promoted us all that kind of stuff.
But but I remember coming in on season six and
watching you had settled into this thing like this is
us and this is for us, and it was such
a smart and intelligent way to understand that life is fleeting.
This is fleeting, and so let's just all be for
this show. And when you when you come from a
different place and you come into that, it influenced me

(51:02):
for the rest of my career to go, this is
really what you want. People who are having each other's backs,
who are for each other, who want to just do
this scene right now as best as they can. And
what more is that? Yeah? Speaking of doing a scene
really well, how fucking funny are you stealing the lab
coat and going in to attend to a patient? That

(51:22):
ship was hilarious. Yeah, but before we do that, let's
get into this uh recap. Oh yeah, sorry, So Tom,
every episode, Donald will sum it up. He has thirty
seconds I time, Yes, great, okay, so Donald, hold on
getting my stop watch up he's been crushing it lately.

(51:44):
He's gotten a little cocky. Uh and and and ending early,
which I don't like. I like you to fill your
time now, this might go over, okay on your mark,
get set go. Jad's brother Dan comes to visit. He
recks havoc on all of ja these relationships. J D
wishes his brother would just grow up. Turke and Cocks
are beefing again, this time because both have good arguments

(52:07):
on why their departments are better at saving lives. By
the act break j D and Turk our shame Turk
of himself, JD of his brother. For Turke, it takes
a lesson from an unexpected person for him to regain
faith that he's doing his job the right way. For JD,
it's him learning and understanding that not all people are
built the same. Some people are content with who they are.

(52:27):
How far did I go over? It's thirty six, But
you had some fuck ups and I think the audiences
will give you geez. I thought it was amazing. It's
well done. It's well done. I think when you were hurt,
I don't think you rehearsed this time. Sometimes No, it's
freaking We're an hour into the damn show I expected
to do. We didn't know that Tom Calvin I was
going to be so interesting. Listen, I knew Tom was

(52:49):
going to be this interesting. So you're saying we were
going to get him to the show. You're saying is
that you rehearsed right before he went on the air,
and now you're rusty and I was rusty. If you
give me another chance, I bet it's better. No, I
don't want to hear again. See, good job. You know what, well,
you know what we'll have Dan, I'm speeded up a
little bit. Now we can't do no. Six thirty six.
Well done though, Well that's that's the episode. To remind Tom.

(53:12):
We did this as a service to people who want
a brief reminder of what the episode was Tom. Tom
comes to visit me. He's been driving a car across
the country as a for for three hundred dollars and
he has no fear of doctor Cox, which is just
mind boggling me. And I'm squirming. I'm squirming as he
meets Cox for the first time and is fucking with

(53:34):
doctor Cox. Yeah, that would be the best day of
my life. If I went to my brother's job and
he had a boss that was bullying him, and I
could freaking and I know that no matter what, he's
gonna get bullied anyway, I'm gonna fuck some shit up.
Then how about this, oh work, you gotta mess with
my little brother. Now I'm gonna mess with you. Yeah,
you know, I remember a good day. I think I

(53:55):
remember on the day Tom even being nervous in real life,
they because I was so you know, Johnny was Johnny
and I we were versions of our characters and and
we would just play that. Now you came in as
an alpha fucking with him, and I think I think
I recall even on the day being a little uncomfortable.
But he didn't. I'm sure he didn't, because nobody in

(54:19):
that hospital, in the real world or on or in
the world of the show fucked with him, right, and
he had gotten quite comfortable with that. And now here's
someone who looks just like me walking with him. But
that was great. And then so the let's talk about
that Rickles moment. That was pretty fucking funny. That ship
was hilarious. I love the fact that the reason why

(54:39):
it's gonna happen is because he here's Bambi and you're
like all right, I don't want to you to call
me bam before the rest of my life, I've lab
with a lab coat with a lab coat. And he
walks in, and he goes and you know, and and
and we find out just before he walks in that
the guy's got to live and that the surgery was
everything was a success. And the first thing Tom says,
Dan said this, it was touch and go for ye

(55:04):
And then he goes, you got out. We got to
look out for those little rickles. And he goes, he's
like the little rickles, the kids, their future. And then
I go, okay, thank you. When you go, damn it, bammy,
I'm busy to find a good nurse these days. And
shot was really funny by Michael Spiller. When you when

(55:27):
you turn around, Yeah, I'm always a sucker for the
quick turnaround. Damn it, bammy, give me a second. Yeah,
I'm busy. Hilarious. And now my nightmare would be my
brother coming and flirting with someone that I had feelings
for um and let alone also your friend. I mean,

(55:47):
this is like always awkward when you have a friend
that's like, I don't know if this guy's ever happened
to you were like you broke up with someone and
then you see your friends starting like and you're like,
what the fuck? And and I just I felt for
JD as you, as you and Sarah are walking down
the hall and flirting and it's cool. It's awful. It's
so fucking mean. It's awful. Yeah, it's mean, by the way,

(56:10):
it's me on both parts. It's mean on. It's mean on.
I mean, you guys have a brother. You guys those
two characters had had a brother competition thing, obviously, but
the fact that Elliot was so willing to just like
dive in and be all like Gigney, that was so cruel. Yeah,
it was mean. It was like, ah, he's so funny,
and he's not really that funny, but he was just
being kid. You're like, ah, yeah, no, that's okay. You

(56:32):
just uh. And then the idea that wait, this is
actually happened, This is happening, is happening. I love the
I love the how he realizes it's happening out of nowhere.
You turned day tonight. Yeah, but I'm flicking a switchtasy.
That was great. And then they start totally making out
right and then and then they pop back to reality.
And then in reality, I yell, stop your stop your

(56:55):
stupid laughing. It makes you look like a whore. Right
then you're like kidding, just the worst thing you could say.
And then the way I did it was like vomiting
it up, like I couldn't. I couldn't hold in the rain.
You've you've sewed it out. Yeah, stupid laughing. It makes
you look like goodness gracious. Yeah, yeah, I must have

(57:18):
been tricky to shoot up. We must have done the
first part and then come back. We did. We did.
Then we came back at night and Sarah had this
idea we were both chewing gum to like spit the
gum out, you know, and then like you know, have
the all the one, two, three, four. Were you call
that chewing gum like throughout the whole scene or would
you you both? You know, sometimes when you're an actor,
you know you're gonna make out with someone, you want
to have fresh minty breath. Was it was it? I

(57:40):
think she? I think she no. I think she added
gum later on, because there was is one of two things.
One is like you kissed the person, then they have
the gum that you had in your mouth, not great
or you know puw pew, and I think she. We
realized we could have a we could double down on
the comedy moment by spitting our gum out before the
pooh used to happen. We used to have banaca on set,

(58:01):
not not just for I remember you guys had you
guys had them, You also had the bolt in your mouth. Yeah, yeah,
does give you heartburn? No, I can't give me heartburn. Yeah,
we both Donald and I would have too many and
they would give us heartburn. But um, the uh, the
the old school aerosol spray banoca, which is my favorite.
We started having it just from we had kissing scenes

(58:22):
and we didn't want to have bad breath for our
scene partner. But then it became like, you know, we
were all friends in all up in each other's faces
all day long. We're like, let's make a rule everybody,
we don't have bad breath, and so we would like
just be spraying at NonStop. Dude. I remember, it became
how many can you spray in your mouth? And I
burn his mouth like tin under the tongue, just for

(58:43):
ships and giggles. That's eventually our boom operator velcrowed one
to the boom and uh, and we called it boom
knocka and we'd be like Kevin boom knocka and he
would just dip the boom down. We'd pull the parasol
off off the mic I was on beltrow and then
attach it back up. That's great a right there, that's yeah.

(59:03):
That was thought. We thought he was gonna do it
for like a day as a joke. It was up
there for years, the same same canister, hopefully hopefully changed out. Um.
I like win at five twenty four when when Cox goes, well,
people please stop calling me, yes, and then goes hey, no,
I'm not sorry, Hey, how's it going. I'm nuts. He

(59:27):
had another one in there where it was like I
don't have time for pity or something like that. We're
right when he's talking to Johnny Castle. Oh yeah, I
wrote that down too, and why does why does well?
First of all, when you scare me in the shower, hilarious.
That was the first of many scares we did, like ten,
we did ten. Do you remember that? We remember? I
remember waiting waiting in the thing behind the curtain and

(59:49):
like thinking, oh this maybe this one will do this.
Like there was we had been like five or six
different ones, and I think the first one was really
terrifying for you. I remember that. Uh it's funny. I
just put two and two together that I guess we
bought the clear shower curtain that's in the opening of
the show, right, because wasn't there a clear shower curtain
when you scare me? Yeah? No, no, that isn't the
shower curtain. It's opaque when I come out because you

(01:00:11):
don't see me. And then oh, right, and it looks
like it's clear. I thought I have because you have
you guys have that runner earlier on. Yeah, see, we're
shopping for a clear shower curtain, and then, um, where
is it? It is? Uh five thirty two. I'm just
curious because they'd be funny if we uh we happen
to keep the shower Yeah it's clear, goodness, how could it?

(01:00:34):
How can you bought it? We actually bought it? There
you go, Okay, look at that continuity. Um yeah, I
mean I got air, dude, you scared the shit out
of me, and um, I mean in real life, and
I think the character but I obviously had a nice
juicy map behind me because I like literally flew up. Yes, yes,
it's solid and once again Zach Braff Solid Zach Braff Special.

(01:00:58):
It's good stuff. I laughed. When Verne makes her own
Halloween candy, she says she's dressed the first of all,
she's dressed like Raggedy Ann and uh. And there's like
this bowl of popcorn and homemade lollipops and she says
something like if you want name brand stuff, this fist
is packed with nuts or something. This episode, uh, was

(01:01:23):
actually written by Tim Hobert. Yes, I believe was he
with us the first season or he came in on
seconds him? Was not their first season, No, but he's
a very funny writer. So this is his first big episode.
This is first episode of the season then, and also
Mike Spiller's back as our director a lot. This is
the first episode in which I read on scrubs WICKI. Uh,
this is the first episode that you're ever called Gandhi

(01:01:45):
by doctor Cox. That's interesting. Sarah's sisters actually one of
the interns in this episode. Also when coxes, I mean
when Kelso's doing rounds in the beginning, Sarah John when
when when Kelso pulls he hates the costumes and he
pulls some cat ears off and that's Sarah's sister, not
not her younger sister obviously that's your Yeah, it's her
older sister. And then I noticed that Johnny Castle playing Doug.

(01:02:10):
He takes off the clown nose and kisses it. And
I remember on the day thinking that was so random
and funny. But I have no idea why he does it.
It's very weird. Do you know what I'm doing about? Yeah, no,
I know exactly takes the clown that Kelstle says, take
that fucking costume on, and he takes the nose off
and he looks at it and he gives a little
kiss before he fucking which is just so weird and amazing.

(01:02:32):
I don't also why he did it, but yeah, the
scene between you and Johnny Ce when you win the
bet is like, to me, that was just such classic
Scrubs because it's it's good in the in and of
itself with the comedy's just hilarious, Jessie, when you're celebrating
and it kind of goes on, then it goes on,
then it keeps going on, which I personally it's funny.

(01:02:53):
Then it's sort of maybe not funny, then it's really
funny because you just keep doing it, You do the
backward why, and it's just all the different beats of
your comedy there just like I had me laughing and
I've forgotten the scene. And then and then there's then
there's that other level where he's like, very yes, which
is what that's what your show did so well, where
it's like you have the great comedy and that could

(01:03:13):
just on another show that would just be enough. And
then it's like there's a hammer a gravitas that still works.
It's beautiful, you know, it ends with ends with you,
like with a legit serious moment considering this information. It's great,
Yes matter, Joel, And you just look like you freaked
out about something. Oh, Gina Price Pryflet heard a thing
I did and I love her. Sorry, okay, wait what happened? Sorry?

(01:03:35):
Wait what happened? I think you're since you distracted the show,
you're gonna have to share what happened? Sorry, Gina Price
blithlot It is an amazing director. She director love basketball
um and she just has any movie out on Netflix
called oh my Gosh, the Old Guard. Yes, black lady
who's been working for a very long time and I
love her. She used to write on Felicity, like season

(01:03:56):
one of Felicity, she wrote, and then she went on
to do all right, but what up? And that made
your face light up because I thought it was Tom's
use of the word gravitasse just acknowledged my existence. I
get so excited, Oh well, congratulations. What did she say?
What she like, you're one of the articles you've written
or something. Yeah. I did a pod talking about the

(01:04:17):
new movie and she was like, this was so great.
I was like, oh my god, that's okay. That's always
good to be. Don't apologetic, don't. I just want the
listeners to know from my point of view. Tom said
the word gravitasse, and Joel's face lit up and she
started like doing the hand thing where you might cry,
And I'm like, wow, Joel really loves the word gravitasse.

(01:04:41):
She had better reasons to celebrate, Joe, better reasons to celebrate.
I'm glad to hear it wasn't gravitas either, the old
guard plug. That's great, that would be that would be
the funniest shit ever. But she just loves the word
whenever she whenever she hears it, she has to fan
her eyes. Gl I love how Donald you're bragging about

(01:05:03):
having two singles in your wallet. You say hello miss
when he gives you the funny Jackson to the Washington Brothers.
Right now, you guys get nice and acquainted and in
Mamallet you're dancing. There was so funny. Man, Yes, I
had a lot of I had a lot of fun
doing that. I'm sure I did. It's it's really weird,

(01:05:25):
you know how things change, Because everybody did a Michael
Jackson impersonation back in the day. Everybody did it. I
can't recall the last time I've seen Michael Jackson impersonation.
It's been a very very long time now. Probably if
we were doing the show now, you probably wouldn't be
doing so many Michael Jackson's Now. I love a Growing
Pain shout out for those of you who were two
youngs to know Growing Pains was a very popular sitcom

(01:05:48):
and starring Kirk Cameron and uh when when when when
we all go to lunch, I say, oh no, I'm
trying to defend Dan. Oh no, he he he lives
with my mom, but he's got his own area. He's
like Kirk Cameron when he loved the Garage with Boner
and Kurt Cameron had a friend in the show named
named Boner, which made no sense. Why was his friend

(01:06:09):
named Boner? Everyone knows what his name. His last name
was Bone and his dad's name was Sylvester. But then
you rut you yell out to the room Boner. Come on, everyone,
it's two low hanging fruit ber. You guys didn't hear
what I said. His dad's name will was Sylvester and

(01:06:31):
his last name stabone Sylvester stabone. Yeah. Do you know
the Growing Pain's theme instead of Sylvester stallone Sylvester stabone.
Do you know? I get it? Okay, it just wasn't
that funny, I guess. I'm sorry. I thought it was
hilarious when I first hearted the show. Kids, Wait a second, Boner,
your dad's name is Sylvester stabone. And then he turns

(01:06:53):
back and looks like Mike and goes, who know what joke?
Please sing the theme song for it? Donald? Do you
know the same song? Tom? Tommy? You might not know this,
but Donald can sing theme song. If you tell me
how it starts, I could sing it. Show me that's

(01:07:13):
my again. Okay, Zach, I got it. Don't waste the
nun it on your crying and we're nowhere near the
end her best edit to be again. Oh okay, we
started too high. As long as we get each other, yeah,

(01:07:35):
we got the world hanging right in our heads, Baby
rain or shine Foot all the time. Okay, we've got
each other, sharing the left of love, sharing the laft.

(01:07:56):
I'm gonna release an album tom of Donald has to
show that Digitis the show that did every season they
did a different version of that song. Oh really. They
also at some point they had a baby and then
they were like, the baby's boring in next season, she's
gonna be five. And they also they also had nobody
else aged, but the baby was all of a sudden five.
They also like fostered a kid for a little bit.

(01:08:18):
Who was young Leonardo DiCaprio. Oh that's right, young young
Leo's first show, I believe. Well, I don't know if
it was his first, but there's really cute. I've seen,
like you know when they do like you know, you know, well,
remember who this little boy was. I've seen like his
first interviews. I just love being an actor and I'm
just happy to be with these guys. It was really cute,

(01:08:40):
and now look at him. Donald has a little Leo crushed.
Tommy comes up almost every episode. I love Leonardo DiCaprio.
Yeah so um last one of my favorite actors of
all time. One of our last episodes ended with Donald
talking about trying to dock with No no no no
no no no no no no plane later to bring guess.

(01:09:02):
We gotta go to break. We gotta guess, guys, what
about that? Wait, we should go to break, guys, I'm
just saying to break. We'll be right back after Donald
docs Leo. No, no, no, no, what did he say?
What was that? Now? I did not say I wanted
to dock with Leo. I just said it thought he
was a great actor. We went to break, we went.

(01:09:23):
We haven't go yet. All right, now we gotta I
think we need to clarify this because I don't want
it out there in the ethos that somebody that I'm
walking around telling people I want to dock with Leo,
because that ain't was happening here. Okay, okay, that ain't was.
Donald does not want to dock Leo. Everybody, Yes he does.
We're gonna break. Wait what all right? Now we're back

(01:09:49):
tom We take a caller here on this show and
Joel curates them. There are zillions of people that email
her and try and send her payola. Uh, and she
it's all accepts all the money. She accepts all the money.
Let us all the money. Send you sending money to Joel,
do it the right way, don't send like send sending
the real deal. Hope. We feel her thought, if you

(01:10:10):
don't get picked, but money does help. But you know,
cash is a little crass. What you can sell sending baskets?
Cash's crist I don't know if it has ever said
that before, but I'm a good Cash's crass. Cash's crass.
Send a woman a wine basket or or some of
God's lettuce. Uh, she'll take either one. O. G. Cush
is preferred. Who do we have today for the Tom Cavanaugh?

(01:10:35):
Who Who's America's favorite older brother? We had O nurse Christina? Christina?
Christ Hello? Where are you calling from? Christina? Koston and
the house? Christina? Um, you're an ear nurse, we heard,

(01:10:55):
so that means you're gonna get even more respect than
the average caller. We give our callers a lot of respect,
but an ear nurse gets top respect from well, thank you.
What's it like right now? You guys are in Houston's
it sucks. Yeah, yeah, what's the status. I think I
had heard that Texas was legitimately running out of ICU beds. Yeah,

(01:11:16):
I mean, we tried to ship out a critical patient
the other night and couldn't get a hospital that could
take him in Houston. We tried to lie fight him
out because we didn't have a specialist for it and
could not find a hospital. It's tragic. It's tragic, Oh
my god. And people need to hear from people like
you on the front lines, because I think a lot
of people, you know, as we've talked about on the show,
Donald and I lost a friend and uh, and I

(01:11:39):
think people like you who were on the front lines,
people like us who've lost a loved one, we are
seeing him. And Dan was was explaining something on the show.
I thought that was really that really land with me,
that unless you're on the front lines and then seeing it,
you can kind of live in this sort of dream
world where you you know, you're just you know, obviously,
I know people are suffering, they're not working, and the

(01:11:59):
kids are in school, but it cannot it's a little
bit out of sight, out of mind, whereas someone like
you who's seeing this every single day. Um, it must
be just very very traumatic for you that we also
see what COVID does to people too, right, what and
and and and a lot of people that's something that
Americans don't see. We don't see the uh, what's what's

(01:12:22):
left up people after COVID has ravaged their bodies and
uh and and you know, rect habit rect haboc on
their organs and stuff. So, uh, it's just a it's
a slave in the face when we're risking our lives
and then people are on here saying it's a hoax
or that it's a Yeah, it's just frustrating because we

(01:12:43):
don't have any reason to lie about it, right, I know,
I know by the way we see that, by the
way we see that. I see even in our comments
on Instagram, I don't know you saw this. Donald People
were like, uh, enough of the mask talk. You're becoming
like every other show. And I wanted to like throw
my fucking phone at the wall because I was like,
our friend just died, So there's gonna be some COVID
talk where I fucking ask, right, But um, anyway, I

(01:13:07):
I we thank you for for I just think there's
nothing more noble than than being a nurse. And there's
extra cherry on top for doing it in the er
because the things you must see. And I want to
thank y'all real quick for the video that y'all did
with you know, Patrick Harris thanking all the healthcare workers.
It did not get enough props, but it really meant something.

(01:13:28):
I thank you, thank you, thank you. Um So let's
switch to something more like our main mission is to
make people giggle a bit. Do you have any questions
for for us about scrubs or anything could be about
the flash? I don't know. My first question is what's
the craziest thing A fan has asked, Joe, Oh my gosh,
have you ever signed anyone? And then they saw them

(01:13:48):
again and they were like, I turned your signature into
a tattoo. Yes, I've had that. Yeah, and people get
tattoos to you? Is that weird? Yeah? I was talking
about this yesterday. There's some really we tattoos of me
out there. And also I actually like the ones some
people have tattooed lines from Garden State that were meaningful
to them. A film I wrote so I that I

(01:14:10):
think is really cool because something I came up with
was meant enough to them to put on their body
as a as a as whatever a mantra if you will.
But what I've seen, like like the weirdest faces I've
made on Scrubs where I'm like, you know, like screaming
out of fear, like actually in this episode with Tom
where I'm like screaming out of fear, and I've seen

(01:14:31):
that on like someone's thigh. Um, Donald, I saw a
tattoo of you that as Church that it looked nothing
like me. It looked like Charles Barkley. You're on my
back and it looked like Charles literally. Now you know,
as a kid, I was a big fan of Charles Barkley.
But it didn't look anything like me. It looked literally

(01:14:54):
like Charles Barkley. Right. The weirdest thing that's ever happened
to me. I get a lot of people asking for
it to eat. Yes, that happens to you a lot
because they think you're very strong and they don't know
I can hold a lot of people up there. Yeah,
but it's it's it, Donald. You do let a lot
more people mount you than I would ever listen. If

(01:15:15):
you are brave enough to ask me, I will most
likely oblige now that you should most likely, he said,
most likely. Fine print That being said that, the fine print,
Tom is like you must be under a certain amount
of weight before trying to please got all permission. Don't
do it in front of his children or his wife.

(01:15:36):
We'll bitch shop you. Well. The fine print is the
fine print, truly is like it has to be a
special occasion. You can't just be out of nowhere, like
you walk down the street and like, lady, let's eagle
and that's not gonna happen. It has to be you know,
it has to be something like if I'm at a

(01:15:56):
conference and it's yes, you know what I mean, and
they got to catch you when you're not woozy. Yeah.
So that's the one thing that that's the one thing
that that's pretty weird is that being asked to eagle.
It's like, really want to jump on my back? You
feel that comfortable right now to walk up to me
asked me to give you an ask and ask me
to give you a piggyback ride? Tom, have you ever

(01:16:18):
had a weird fan moments? I bet some of your
young flash fans have asked for something odd. I think
just what you were saying earlier. I think it really
tests your metal as an actor when somebody suddenly unveils
a tattoo of you on them, because you know, I
think the reaction they're looking for it is like, oh
that's great, wow, you know, but really your reaction is right, yeah,

(01:16:44):
you know, and you really got to you got to
try and cover that as best you can because they've got,
you know, I permanent ink on their body. Of course,
you naturally, you're naturally assumed they're going to regret it.
You think the next day. You don't think you're going
to end up seeing it ever, But yeah, of course
it's going to be a massive regret. Well, we talked

(01:17:05):
before you came on, Tonnel about how I'm gonna get
Donald on my face. Joel Joel Joelle reminded us that
I should not attempt to shade it in at all,
because huh, I listened. I listened to your episode. Yeah listen,
of course, Yeah, Joelle, you guys were very well. Joel
just came on in a moment of nervousness, being like, guys,

(01:17:28):
guys talk about here's the voice, here's the voice of reason.
Please listen to the voice of I assured Joelle that
would be solely an outline of his beautiful face. How
many people have sent you in appletini in the bar?
Oh oh, that's a very good question. Um, that's happened
to bunch. I gotten sent a lot of apple tinis.
They don't, Um, I don't don't like appleto just be honest,

(01:17:51):
it's very sweet. It's sugar, I don't. I mean, I
understand it if you're if you're young, or if you're
if you're out for a night, you want to have
a funny cocktail. But I think that if you shouldn't
get a trunk on them because they are so filled
with sugar head. The next day. I'm one of the
owners of a restaurant in New York that I'll give
a plug too now called the Mermaid Oyster Bar, and

(01:18:14):
it's seventy nine McDougall if you'd like to check it
out when the world reopens. But do they serve oysters
at oyster Yes, they have the sixteen different types of oysters.
I love that you just said, do they serve oysters
at this oyster bar? He was trying to starting to
see if it was good. He'd be a good friend

(01:18:34):
and trying to be like, tell us more about this. Oh,
you probably want to know about our lobster roll. Donald,
do you have a lobster roll? Oh? We have lobster
roll in Manhattan. I'll tell you that right now. Really yeah, yeah,
seventy nine. My point was that the owner told me that,
He's like, do you have an idea why people keep
coming in and ordering apple tinis? That's fine, and he's like,
I don't know, but can you make them? He's like, no,

(01:18:55):
we're not making appletinis. Just people tell your fans to
stop ordering us when we were young and they were tasty, though,
I don't know. Do you like them? Christina? A little
sweet for me? All right? You have another question for us, Christina. Um,
so scrubs one, what is your most memorable scene that
you filmed? Oh? Heavy question, good question? Wow? Um well

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Tom can go first because he's the guest. He's got
less did It's easy? It was just you know, I
loved almost every scene we did for comedy. There was
one where the three of us were um part buddies
where we did the fart stuff. Yeah, we were goofing
around the thing and then we had to we were
eating breakfast and then we had to go I had

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to go to the bathroom, and it just became this
long running I'll be in there for one minute, two minutes,
five minutes, ten minutes, one minute, um. And then the
other one was just the John Ritter uh stuff to
have been like a part of that with with you guys,
was you know it was? It was meaningful, certainly. The
bats scene, the bad type scene was a little less

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fun than you might expect. At one point John c
Riley is like, by no, you're sitting in abouts too,
probably of your own urine, and I think that was
probably closer to the truth. So less fun. But at
the same time, you know, it's one thing that I
hear a lot, you know about the Captain bubble Beerver
or whatever the heck it was called. Anyway, So you guys,

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that's enough. Now you've had enough time. I've stalled well enough,
I feel, and now you guys have the tarmac ready.
We answered something similar to this recently, but I wonder
if it's the same answer for you. Donald go ahead,
well the Star Wars, Oh yeah, you're right. Uh. Also, uh,
getting the opportunity to do an Indiana Jones situation in

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Someone's colon was a lot of fun doing the whole
opening to Raiders of the Lost Dark and side of
Someone's colon um and then uh, to be honest with you,
one of my favorite scenes. It's a song, but Zach
and I singing everything comes down to Pooh. Still to

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this day is one of my like, I watched that
with a smile, and I can't watch a lot of
the things that I do, but that's one thing that
I've done where I'm like that was. That was fucking
a great time shooting that. Yeah, one of my favorite
times was repelling across the fake city street on the
Universal backlot on the episode where Donald and I go

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on a quest to find Molly, Heather Graham's character, and
we repel across the street and then nail the wall
and I fall into a bunch of garbage and then
I get up and she looks at me, and I
act like I'm surprised to see her, and I go, Molly,
you're doing here? That was just the most fun because
you know, do you remember how you got the to

(01:21:50):
repel across the rope which I pulled your shirt off
of you. No, you've pulled my gown off of me.
I've been out a gown on it or it wasn't
a shirt, it was a hospital gun. Yeah yeah, And
I go and I go, yeah, I pull it off
and you gasp and then you're shirtless. And then I
turned it turn, I turned into a thing to repel
across the street. And then and then I go Molly,

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and she goes, what are you doing here? And then
all of a sudden, you just see Donald in the background,
dropped down into frame naked. So that was just so
fun because you know, we didn't always Yeah, as I've
said before on the podcast, that episode was like so epic.
We didn't always do episodes that were that big. And
there we were like taking over the Universal backlot to

(01:22:35):
do that scene and I was directing, and it was
just funny. I remember just laughing my ass off that.
All right, Well, we gotta go because our show's going
so incredibly long with Christina. Thank you from and all sincerity.

(01:22:56):
Thank you so much for for what you're doing, for
for everything, for being on the front line for us.
Can I just sat y'all to give a quick shout
out to two of my best friends that are super
jealous right now. Of course, sure, Preston and Nikki, Yo, Preston, Nikki,
it's down a phase on and oh I'm Zach Braff

(01:23:16):
and Zach Braff. Sorry, what's happening, y'all? What's happening y'all?
What's happening? By Preston and Nikki and by Christina. Thank
you so much, thank you, thank you, Christina. Now listen,
it's not beneath us. It scrubs to do a fart
joke every now and then. And uh, and your family

(01:23:38):
loves to fart. Dorian's love to fart. True. Oh, by
the way, we were, we were, we were. We were
lucky enough to have the late John Riddard do a
fart joke on the show before he passed away. And
now we have the great Tom Kavanaugh honoring us with
a fart joke. We sprinkled him around. That was sprinkled
him around us. Good analogy. Your reaction is tremendous. It's

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like it's everywhere. It's a man who can't escape it.
It is so horrible though, when when someone um is
flatulent in a car and you don't have control of
the window, isn't it just a horrible, horrible moment of life?
I think an airplane is worse, but yes, airplane, you
don't know who everybody's staring straight ahead, and moment on

(01:24:26):
a plane where you like, you don't want anyone to
think it's you react, you have to go, oh, geez.
I always put my t shirt over my nose so
people know, like, oh, he's reacting. It's clearly not him, right.
It's just like when you go into the bathroom after
somebody took a ship and on the airplane, yeah, and
then you got to come out and face all the people.
I'm sure we've talked about. Yeah, we talked about that

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horrible thing. And especially when you're in the public eye,
you don't want someone to be like, dude, I was
on a plane and Tom Cavanaugh crushed the bathroom and
meanwhile you're thinking, like, no, mother effort. That was the
I before me. I don't know. I don't know if
I'd be that upset, but okay, yeah, I have an
anxiety about when I go into a bathroom and it's

(01:25:08):
been just rocked and then I come out and I'm like,
I didn't do that. That was someone before me. I
think we should do something anxiety about public restrooms period. Dude, Yeah,
you paper, You put toilet paper down on the seat. Listen, man,
we could go to the movies the whole family. Back
when going to the movies was a thing. We'd be
at the movie theater if I and the movie could

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be five minutes away from starting. If I feel even
the slightest bit of a bubble in my guts, We're
going home. Oh really, I'm not shitting at a movie there.
You're poor kids. What do they do? They could cry
on the way home, your kids home because you had
to poop. Listen. I remember I remember one time going

(01:25:49):
to a club and getting to the club and being
at the club and uh, you know, about to dance
and it was lit that night, and feeling a bubble
in my guts and being like, know what, I'm going home?
Oh at restaurants, so you never you never pull in public.
I try my hardest not to poo in public. I
have a phobia of it. It's uh, I don't know, man.

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Do you keep your outings to a concentric circle where
you can make the getaway if you have to? No,
There's been times where I was like, yeah, you I
gotta do something. We gotta do something. Do you have friends?
It's just something about the public. A public restroom is
I used to have that for some reason. I was
a kid do it. When I was a kid, I
had it. I got over it. But one thing I
can't do is if if it were in the men's

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room and there's and there's a line of stalls, I
cannot poo if someone else is in the stall, I
have to wait until the stalls are empty. You I
can't hear the next mem I just can't sit next
here that. But also I can't sit next to the
person and they're like farting and you hear them Like

(01:26:53):
I can't. It's too uncomfortable for me. What do you
gotta hand it to them for their effort? You really
didn't really have to go, you know, I don't want
to be that guy. Man, I've been. I've been in
the bathroom where another man did that. And I was

(01:27:16):
a kid. I was very young, and it was me
and we were doing a commercial. It was a basketball commercial.
What yeah, it was a basketball commercial. Already jealous, I
know we should talk about basketball. You have to come
back on because we need to talk about our NBA
Entertainment League days and all that stuff. Tom, Tom, were
you already since we since you're you Joel, you heard

(01:27:38):
this Dan, you heard this right? So I was invited.
So that's what that's going to be now, and now
you'll be bad. But we were filming a basketball commercial
and I was very young and one, but I wasn't
young enough where my parents had to be there. But
there was one kid who was very young and his
dad had to be there, and his dad would play basket.

(01:27:58):
We were playing like we were all doing this, you know,
uh the commercial. So we were all playing like full
courts on other basketball courts and we would play with
his dad too. And I remember going to the bathroom,
me and a bunch of other dudes. We were going
to take a leak and the dad was in the
bathroom and was having a real hard time pooping, like

(01:28:21):
the type of shit, like the like the type of
stuff where it's like, oh god, damn, oh oh shit,
why why that's always bad? When someone yells why it
was taptick. That's the corn. That's the corn. That's the corn. Okay,

(01:28:42):
you don't corn people are might be eating when they
listen to this. Okay, we'll cut that out. We'll cut
out the corner. No, I want to leave it. I like, okay,
all right. Anyway, My point is I remember when he
came out of the bathroom the shame on his poor
son's face, because we were like, you know, your dad's
blowing it up. And I think that's where my phobia
comes from. I don't want to be that guy. But

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when I was a kid, my mom took me into
the stall with her. You know, I was the of
an age where she was obviously not leaving me alone,
and a woman was really farting a lot as she
was going pooh. And then we came out to the
sinks and I apparently turned to the woman and pointed
to my mom, that's the lady who was farting. No,

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my mom says, like to this day, that's the most
embarrassing moment of her life. Goods all right? Um. The gorilla,
by the way, Donald, I literally looked for I looked
down in my notes and saw I thought that was
really funny reveal. Yeah, I thought that was very I
think Ken was ever in the suit. Oh, I don't know.
That's a great question. A question. Let's ask Bill that one.

(01:29:55):
Let's ask Bill, because Bill, I'm sure you want to
say hi to the Tom Kavanaugh and um, you know,
I did notice some of the fans were missing you
and you're sabotaging our show by yelling the secret numbers?
So billum, was Ken Jenkins ever in the guerrilla suit?
And also say hi to Tom Kavanaugh? Bill, Hey, guys,

(01:30:17):
how are you doing? Um? Question number? Ken Jenkins in
that guerrilla suit? I seem to recall is what I
love about Ken, you know, trying to be respectful of
actors as like, of course, Ken, if you want to
be the guy in this suit, you know we And
I think he cut me off and said, Bill, it
is not gonna You're not gonna see me. I don't

(01:30:40):
care if I'm ever in that grills. So I do
not think Ken Jenkins was ever in that thing? Um?
Pretty sure? Uh? And uh I respect him more for it.
Also got to say, man, not only one of my
favorite guest stars on the show, but an all time
good buddy Tom Kavanaugh. Hello, sir, oh hi Tom? Hey?
How you doing? Man? I don't mean to steal this podcast,

(01:31:04):
but it has been way too long since we've seen
each other. It's been a has got to be at
least like for like five or six or seven or
eight months. No, thank you, of course, Guy turn season two,
Dan get a new you need a new trick, trying

(01:31:24):
to hijack our show. You know, speaking of tricks, the
janitor never does his trick. I was I was asking.
I was about to ask that it's a writing it's
a writing flow of Bill. Sorry, what was that about?
Since you just tried to hijack our show by saying
the numbers, I will tell you, even though now you
can't reply that, Uh yeah, you're fighting up or Tim Hober,

(01:31:46):
Tim sucked up, some sucked up. Why do you lay
in that the janitor's gonna do a trick and he
never does. I think it's a mislead for him being
in the gorilla suit. But but he's he's like twice
Ken's height, so that doesn't really work. Just saying, um,
do you want to talk about how great it was
to have Tom Kavanaugh on the podcast? Dude, you have
to come back. You've already said you will. I'm gonna

(01:32:09):
force your hand. That was a classic misplay on your
two guys parts. Here you guys, you guys like, hey, Tom,
come back. It's like he's obsessive. Joel's gonna be like
he all. He doesn't even me. He's like this episode,
he's just come back, come back, Okay, can I come back? Dude? Love,
we have some stories. You and I we've played a
lot of basketball together. And so the next time you're

(01:32:30):
on next episode, you guys will talk sports ball. Yeah,
you can go grab a t and we'll like, we'll
talk hoops and then you can come back then minutes later,
come back. I will just put on Dear Evan Hanson
and listen a whole time, and you guys will wave
on the zoom call when it's old perfect. No, seriously, man,
we love you. You're great. I'm so happy to be
part of this. Thank you guys for having me on.

(01:32:52):
Thank you, thank you, and thank you to Daniel and
Joelle and uh and Donald do you want to lead
us in this song? I love you Donald, Phazon, I
love you Zach Brath and we love you listeners. Thank
you for listening and for being amazing, and subscribe to
this and and what else. Email Joel Scrubs iHeart at
gmail dot com. And that is absolutely to the five six, seven,

(01:33:16):
eight stories about sure we made about a bunch of
doctor nurses and a janitor who I said he's the
stories never should know. So Gata around you, Here are
Yato around you, Here are respect for you. J mm

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