Real Friends Classic - 314: My Screw Up with Joshua Radin

On this weeks episode, Cox has a hard time saying goodbye to his best friend. In the real world, Joshua Radin joins Zach and Donald to discuss how his first song rocked the world through Scrubs, and he plays that song live in studio for you.

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And here he is America's favorite phase on Donald Phaison.
What were you guys just talking about? We were talking
about Oculus, But I don't want to talk about it
anymore because we already gave them a seven minute ad today,
did we give Okay, we can talk about it a
little bit. Joelle tried. Joelle tried to gain the paint game. Joelle,

(00:20):
howd it go? It was so cool? Um, I really
liked the star like thing. That was great. You can't
see stars where I live in Los Angeles. Um, but
I'm from the country US to live where the corn grows,
and I miss stars. And so I just spent like
twenty minutes and there just stargazing. And then I found
out you could get like a dress bust, you know

(00:42):
where they like pin all the clothes to it so
that you can like design clothes with the light in
different textures they have. So I made pretty dresses for
like twenty minutes. Oh, I didn't know you could make
make clothes. I'm gonna try that. Fun as hell. And
then yeah, walking around in your own like design and
some of the colors will like flash and do like
pretty rainbow things. It's very Um. If you were a

(01:04):
Lisa Frank person. Um, enjoy this app. You can be
your own Lisa Frank. I don't know who Lisa Frank is.
Oh my god. Okay. In the nineties Lisa Frank made
like trapper keepers and binders and folders, but they were
all like meon tigers and elephants and dolphins. Selphins were huge,
just beautiful, beautiful stuff. But all the girls in the

(01:25):
nineties I have Lisa Frank binders and such. Oh got it? Hey?
Did you get more Instagram followers because I blew up
your hot picture that you posted? I did. I think
maybe a thousand more people. Maybe a thousand. Yeah, that's wow,
that's a lot. I was gonna I was gonna write
something like, you know, only slide into your DMS if
you mean business. But then I said, I'm just gonna

(01:45):
not go don't don't don't do that, don't do that,
don't do that. I was worried she'd get dick picks,
so I did, Yeah, let me just censor the uh.
I don't you know what? You know what's interesting? Do
you go through like all of your emails Joe my emails? Yeah,
not your emails, your your DMS I'm sorry when I'll

(02:07):
scroll through them, because sometimes people have very lovely things
to say and they're like, I don't know how to
reach you, but I just want to say and I'm like,
oh my god, that's so nice. Thank you. If you're
sending me a picture, they're all blurred out. I don't
know what they say. I can't see them. I don't
look at them. They're probably here's a couple. I've opened
a few. Wom been like, that's a screwed to man.
I don't want it. And you men? What is it

(02:29):
with men sending dicks? I mean it's I mean, it's
obviously just a fucking power power thing. But I never understood, like,
what do they think the responses they're going to get
from sending a picture of their dick? I want to
put it in my mouth. They're never gonna get that.
I mean, if you're the one woman in the world
or man who's responded, mmm, looks good, then you've ruined
it for everybody because people a lot of people give

(02:56):
me shipped for eating popcorn yesterday. I'm sorry everybody. I'm sorry,
but you edited Dane, Yeah, I mean I had to
cut some of it out some of it was very explicit.
I'm sorry, sorry, don't know what happened, Daniel, what happened
to your webcam? Man? We don't need it's just it's
not working, right. I want the audience to know. I
just want the audience to know that Dann a very

(03:19):
fancy webcam because he's missed her computer guy and you
can't see him because it doesn't work. Stream will look better.
All it says is image edge webcam. Yeah, you're you're
literal imaging image. I would tell you if you're out
in the market for webcam, don't get an imaging edge one. Hey, Daniel,

(03:46):
do you want to plug your stream? Since I gave
Joella a shout out for for Instagram? What what is
your streaming? What's your streaming thing? Wat? You play? Stream
on Twitch at twitch dot tv, slash dj Underscore Daniel
like my Twitter handle um my stream on Wednesdays and
Sunday nights seven pm onward and um And what game
do you play? Yeah? Game play everything. Playing a lot

(04:08):
of the new season of Fall. Guys, there's a brand
new GTA five heist that came out today. I play
a lot that that GTA heist looks fire. I haven't.
I haven't played I haven't played gt Granted, I haven't
played GTA or Red Dead in about a year now
since I got home and COVID happened. And you know,

(04:29):
you can't, you can't just immerse yourself in these world
worlds for hours when you got you know, uh, eight
seven year old and a five year old running round
of course, of course, but there used to be a
big GTA guy. He was addicted making scrubs. You were playing, dude,
GTA got to well, I wonder how they're gonna address
it with the ps what is it a five now? Yeah?

(04:53):
And the Xbox what is it an Xbox, Xbox series
X whatever the whatever it is? Right, Yeah, there's so many,
there's so many consoles. But anyway, I wonder how they're
gonna address that because the graphics and the fluidity of
the original were always fire anyway, Like you could do
everything and anything in GTA. You can fly, you can

(05:14):
rob somebody. They even made it so you could rob
banks and stuff like that. Like they it gets to it.
It's high level, uh you know, scum and villainy, villainy. However,
he's a scum and villainy. Yeah, it's high level. How
do they address that? How do they address that with
the new consoles? How do they make it? How do
you make it more realistic than is the question? And

(05:36):
and can you make it virtual? Like what would be
fire for these games now is if what's the thing
that they had in that movie who had a boy
jumped on a treadmill and could run in any direction
if you could? Yeah, I love them first that they do. Yeah,

(05:59):
they have things like like, um, well, I know they
got the best. I know you put like wheeled sneakers
on and you and you walk around in this um
uh circle. Rig right, Daniel, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah,
oh absolutely. What's it called? I think it's called like
an omni omni track. You have like a little wasting
that goes around you and then it's like a treadmill

(06:19):
that just moves in any direction. They're very cool. That
would be that would be a really cool But yeah,
I don't know how you would. That would be really
cool if you could figure out a way to be
actually jump into the universe like in Ready Player one.
That's next. Obviously we're so far away from that, we're
something We're that far away from it. I mean, just
just messing around with the oculus too. Now I'm seeing

(06:41):
we're not far away from it. All right, we should
get to the show because people don't want to hear
another long VR conversation. I'm sure it was. It's just
so listen for all of you out there, I'm just saying,
they've got the PS five's and the Xbox whatever it is.
But I'm telling you that oculus. Man. All right, it's
a very special show, you know what. Amazing. First of all,
it's an amazing show. It's I may not know. I

(07:03):
did not know how emotional I was going to get
at the end of this. You hit me up and
you were like, Yo, it's uh, it's it's it's My
screw Up. Yeah. Should we have raiding on? And immediately
I was like, oh, snap, we're already yet the rating episode. Well, listen,
I had thought for since we started. Here's the thing
about My screw Up. It's a lot of people's favorite episodes.

(07:24):
It's one of the highest ranking episodes in terms of
like the way they write ranked people, fans ranked things
on TV dot com. It's ranked I read, I read,
It's tied for highest with an episode called my lunch
from season five, so it is a lot of people's
favorite episode. We had planned to have Brandon on, We
had planned to have Johnny on, but you know, between

(07:45):
COVID and the holidays and our schedules, everything's all fa cocky.
So I just said to Um, to Donald, why don't
we have Josh Raiden on? Because Josh Raiden, for those
of you don't know, Um wrote the song Winter that
plays at the end of the show, and that that
song launched his entire career. It broke him. It broke
him literally, it broke him. It turned him into the

(08:06):
Josh raiding that Listen, Man, I remember going to see Josh. Wait, wait,
let's save it. Let's invite him in, danil is he here?
Bring it in. Let's see what he looks like. Oh
the bunderus. Applause, Dan, I'm thunderous. Applause. Josh write. Okay, okay,

(08:31):
someone's had some coffee. Someone's had some coffee. He's barking.
This is my first podcast. We have, we started, we'd
already begune. We did a whole we did We've been
talking about you on the podcast tap. It's happening all right,
and we're back in Everybody. We had a very interesting
thing we edited out trying to educate a professional magician
how to record himself. Josh, why do you call him

(08:53):
a magician? Did you just call him a magician a musician?
How come, Josh, you don't know how to record yourself?
I remember called intelligent. We're so happy you're here, everybody. So,
if you don't know, Joshua Rading is my friend from
Northwestern and um he also he's my friend. He's my friend.
I introduced him to Donald Phazon one Vegas trip. That's

(09:17):
all it took, even before Vegas, though I met in
New York. We met in New York, dude, Jeff Sucker,
I know we met in New York. Josh, you were
there that night, back when you had a whole other life, man,
back before you were a musician, back when you were
dating another girl. Now now you're freaking a freaking I'm

(09:37):
gonna say it. You're a playboy, dog, You're a true player.
You're a rock star. Man. Do you know how hard
it is to be single and a pandemic? Oh? I
not feel for him, dude, he's doing this all alone.
You can't date. And then Joel knows you can't date
during during COVID and die. So yeah, but you could
set up so much stuff and when COVID's over just

(09:58):
played out, you can. I mean, you got the gift, man,
you got the voice, and you got the guitar. That
is all you need. I know. But that should be
put on layaway and people out there. I'll be like, Okay,
I will wait until two twenty twenty two to give up.
Kind of somebody's good. It's one thing to be like

(10:19):
laying foundation, Joel. I'm sure is laying some foundation, right, Joel,
you're flirting too a little bit. I work, you're working.
I got the job done at a time. Well, but
I just I get the job done well anyway. So, Josh,
you met Donald for the first time our infamous Big night.

(10:40):
Josh was um my great friend in New York, and
then I got Scrubs, and um we went through it
all together. We went through the life change, right, Josh,
I watched some pretty hilarious things. Yeah, and Donald Donald
and I were instantly inseparable, and Josh was there with
us through many an adventure. Listen, man, your best friend

(11:03):
become famous is is a very interesting thing, and vice versa.
Dude and vice versa. No, I mean when I mean
when I say famous, I mean the kind of famous
that we'd walked down the street in New York and
sometimes I would walk like, you know, ten feet behind
Zach through the city just to watch people right after
they pass him go, oh my god, that was Zach breath.

(11:23):
Oh my god's the guy from Scrubs. You know. It
was so funny to watch people's reactions to see, um,
I still do that to myself in real time. It
was cool just to piggyback on that, you know, Josh,
at least I could say for myself. I remember going
to like the hotel cafe or to like you know,

(11:44):
I guess, yeah, just the hotel cafe really, and it
being empty and it just being me, Zach, Mandy Moore,
and Minka Kelly, and that was it in the in
the audience watching you perform, and you would go on
after like some other act and some other act, and
then it would be just you and you'd get to
do like three songs, and we'd wait the whole night

(12:06):
for you to go up and perform. Dude, and that's
you and now and then so and then so. It
blew my mind, And I'm gonna say this. You know,
it's great that you know, the music was on scrubs
and everything like that, but there was still struggle after
the music was on scrubs and people don't really know
that shit. You know, the song was brought and everything
like that, but you know, it wasn't like you know,

(12:27):
it wasn't like an overnight all of a sudden instant thing.
You know what I mean. It's I'm still waiting for
that big break. Well, Josh, tell everyone, do we ever
count in? I forgot about six seven eight stories about
show we made about a bunch of nurses and stories

(12:52):
never so yead around here, yeato around you here? Did
you guys see that? Josh, Josh Raydon kaijacking the Five Secrets.
Usually the guests wait for permission, but no, Josh, Um

(13:14):
longtime listeners, Zac tell everyone, Actually, Josh is one of
my few friends. Uh. Josh and my girlfriend's mom are
the only people left in my life that's still listened
to the podcast. Your mom doesn't listen anymore. I don't
think my mom, Well she might, but she doesn't mention it. Um.
Carrie Brothers mentioned I was on Mark Marron's podcast. He
like Loved You on Mark Maron's podcast. He doesn't bring

(13:35):
up this podcast anymore. Um, but Josh raydon Um often
listens when he's hiking. As I understand it, right, Josh,
I know Johnny still listens to the podcast. Actually cast
your podcast for the Well, I've told you this, but
I'll tell your listeners right when the world shut down.
I live here in la as you guys do, and
I live up in the hills, and there's all these

(13:56):
like stone stairs that go through the hills. These secret
stone stairs that I COVID got me so scared that
I wanted to get in good cardiovascular shape because obviously
the better shape you're in for a respiratory disease of
you are. So I started running up and down these
stairs every morning, and the podcast was the only thing

(14:18):
that got me through. Well, that's great. We've had a
lot of people say they exercised and inspired them, and
that makes us very happy. I do have to say
I didn't get to see you guys for so long
until we like we formed a pod and then I
could see you in like in our backyards or just
our few, you know, tightest friends. But it was like
I went like a good six weeks, seven weeks without
seeing one single person, you know, just sitting in my

(14:40):
house by myself and so listening to you guys talk, uh,
you know twice a week. Was was just saved my life. Really,
you know, we don't never talk about that type of stuff,
being by yourself for six weeks, Josh, other than like,
I guess face timing, and how did you how did
you cope with that when COVID first hit, Joell, you

(15:02):
have your brother with you, right, yeah, Joel has her brother.
Josh was totally alone. You were dolo basically. It's it's
interestingly I finished my European tour. I was mid January
to mid February this year in a different city in
Europe every day, like hugging people, shaking hands, you know,
meeting so many different people every day, right when COVID

(15:23):
was kind of like starting, but it wasn't a big
thing yet. People were like, oh, what's this, you know,
And so I got really sick for the whole month
of that tour. I had this weird throat infection, but
it was before we knew really what it was. And
then I finally just got over it. And but it
culminated in Italy in mid February, you know, which was
one of the hot spots. Wow, which is one of
the hots wow? Right then, I mean I was like

(15:45):
I had to postpone a show in Rome because I
lost my voice and anyway, So I think I had it,
but I don't really know. Everybody. Everybody has that story, right,
everybody has it. I think I had it. I don't
have that. I don't. I don't think I had it.
But Josh, did you get the anybody test? Or did
it go away? I went into our doctor, as you know,
we share a doctor, and I got the antibody's test,

(16:06):
but it was like six months later, and they were
He said, you don't even know if these tests are
going to give a false positive or pulse negative. We
don't you know. Anybody's my only last two or three months,
you know. So it turns out I didn't have them
after all that time. But my point I was making
was that, right, I just finished touring this new album,
all of it, and I thought to myself, I'm gonna
go home and sit in my house by myself and

(16:27):
write a new album and not see anyone for like
three months. And then it's basically going to turn into
a year and a half of not seeing anyone. But
I did know we at least folded you into our pods.
We can see you, We see you. You're gonna come
over for for Jesus's birthday. That's true, and neither one
of you. You both are freaking yahweh is looking down

(16:49):
on YouTube like, no, y'all weighs down for us to
celebrate a very nice Jewish man's birthday. Yeah. Also it's
actually friend is not Jewish and is a huge Christmas
lover and she's very into so we're gonna very supportive
of her first Christmas in la Um. I wanted to
say that you give up your identity. You hate your

(17:12):
own people. You two, you hate your own people. Josh
is skimming over the fact that he didn't just get
in respiratory shape. He got in the sickest shape I've
ever seen him in. Yeah he had he No, he's
got the sea gutters, dude, He's got the whole thing.
I know him. Oh wait, Joel, you don't like head, Okay,

(17:33):
so what is this? I just want to know what
is a sea gutter? Um? I don't want to see
it in front Juell, Joel, can you take your headphones
off from go ahead? All right, Joel took her headphones off.
Um it's the calm cum gutters and um it's funder
the whoa whoa under the abs right here, um like
like the V and and theoretically I'm sorry ear moms

(17:56):
if you're in the car um with your kids. But um,
it's where the semen would would likely gather like a gutter. Okay,
so all right, Joel, put your head hold on hold
on no no no no no no no no no no no.
You don't necessarily have Okay, she's a grown ass woman.
You don't necessarily have to be in shape to have. Yes,

(18:18):
you do the kind of I have talking Brad. I'm
telling Brad pennon fight Club the v Wait, he could
catch it in all of it, he could catch it.
All right, we're traded on this podcast. It's all just audio. Right,
it's just audio. Show us. Yeah, show show Josh and
show this. See those look at this ship. Yeah you

(18:44):
didn't know that. Donald. I didn't know that. The last
time I saw him he was kind of getting into dude.
He looks like that now thanks thanks to the podcast.
What do you got the peloton. No, you got the stairs.
You got the stairs, the stairs, you got the stairs.
He was more than that. Though. You can't just high
can get abs like that dog. He changed his whole diet.
He changes. I don't know. I don't know where to

(19:05):
where I would put a peloton in my house. I'd
have to put it outside. I don't think you can
do that because then I could back. You eat in dog,
what you're eating, you're not eating. He doesn't. He doesn't
smoke weed because it gives him much. You stopped smoking weed. Yeah,
I've been eating healthy. He's smoking cigarettes. Oh, I haven't
smoke cigarettes in years. Good Josh was a big smoker,

(19:26):
and ladies and gentlemen. He is proof that a hypnotist
can work because he went to a hypnotist once and
never smoked again. Right, Josh, it you know I didn't
have a drag of a cigarette after that for about
ten years. And then I went through a bad breakup
with my ex girlfriend and started a little bit again.
And then about the hypnotists work. Speaking speaking speaking a

(19:47):
bad break he probably doesn't want to talk about his break. No,
but speaking a bad breakups, let's just get into the song.
Now then Ladies and Gentlemen, Paperweight, No No, Donald and
I have Donald and I share um. One of our
favorite Josh raids. We played it on the show Paperweight.
That's one of our favorites. I remember, thank you for
doing that. I listened to that episode us in so

(20:09):
many movies. Man Josh's music. All right, we gotta go back.
We're being bad interviewers here, we're jumping around. I got
distracted by his sea gutters. Now, Josh h Um, tell

(20:29):
everyone the story. So, Josh Um, I mean, because you
just just give everyone a cliff notes version of your trajectory.
Because you were a screenwriter in You're a screenwriter in Manhattan.
With with you and I we became friendly being young
aspiring writers in Manhattan. And then just give everyone some
some some bullet points of what happened to you. Well, yeah,

(20:51):
I was a struggling screenwriter. I had I was waiting
tables and doing you know, catering gigs and things like
that in New York star artists sort of stuff. And
then I'd go down to the cafe every morning and
you know, when I wasn't working some other gig and
write screenplays. I had written like six features, and you
and I would give each other notes. I remember the

(21:15):
first incarnation of Garden State when it was called Largest Arc,
and it was like sixty pages longer than what I'd
ended up becoming. But I remember when you gave that
to me after you had read a couple of mine,
and I was like, I was writing like big budget
romantic comedies or you know, things that might maybe like
a Will Ferrell or Ben Stiller. At the time, I
was like, that would be great if I could get

(21:35):
guys like that. And you gave me the Largest Arc
to read and to give you notes, and I just
remember thinking, this is like real, this is making me
feel something. I'm not doing it right, and I just

(21:55):
sort of felt like it sort of inspired me too.
I had never played music in my whole life. I
had never grown up playing music or taking any instrument
lessons or anything like that, and so I was about
to turn thirty years old, and I was struggling as
an artist, and I just thought, maybe I'm doing these
things for the wrong reasons. I'm trying to write these

(22:17):
screenplays to sell them, rather than like writing what I know,
or writing what I'm really passionate about, or making myself
vulnerable in some way with my writing. And so I
started playing guitar and learning a few chords and learned
a few covers, and then I knew enough chords on
the guitar after learning a couple of Dylan songs that

(22:41):
I was like, well, I'm a writer. Maybe I'll try
to write my own song. And I wrote this song Winter.
It was the first song I wrote. And I remember
we were sitting in You and I were sitting in
my apartment in the East Village in New York, and
you saw a guitar in my living room, sitting up
against the wall, and you were like, I didn't know
you played guitar. And I was like, well, I don't
really play. I'm just kind of learning. And I learned

(23:02):
a few chords and a few cover songs, and and
he said, uh, we'll play me something. I was like, oh,
I could never do that. I at the time, I
couldn't even open my eyes when I was playing the song.
I was so nervous to play in front of anybody anyway,
So I made you turn around. I don't know if
you remember it. I do remember that you said, don't
look at me. Don't you look at me wow, and

(23:25):
uh And I remember this vividly. I played this song
Winter and you turned around and your eyes were like
a little watery and it had affected you. And I
was like, Wow, that's cool. That nothing I've written, you know,
in terms of screenplays or paintings I painted or anything
like that, I'd ever I'd ever seen that kind of
response from someone other than like my mom, you know,

(23:48):
or dad or you know. And uh, so coming from
a dear friend, it was really cool and it's sort
of I don't know. I remember you said to me,
I really love that song. Um, you should probably maybe
make a demo of it or something, you know. Scrubs
and Bills, Bill and Christa. They're always looking for new music,
especially the music that they can afford, because at the time,

(24:11):
it wasn't sinks. It wasn't like it as now. You
wouldn't turn on the TV and hear a Stones song
or a Beatles song or something like that. They were
way too expensive. It was pre streaming, so people were
still making money in the music industry, big legends. It
was a good time for at the time we were
making Scrubs was an amazing time for singer songwriters like

(24:33):
Josh because, like he said, the big famous songs, they
might splurge a couple of times, as Bill did in
this show and pay for a big song. But in
Josh's you know, it was a great opening for a
singer songwriter because they were they were they were moving
and beautiful, but gettable and affordable. So essentially it was
the gold Rush for people like me. So we moved,

(24:54):
all these musicians moved from New York out to LA
where the music supervisors and the TV shows and the
movies are made. And I'd play in this little place
called though. Oh sorry, but I've skipped over this part
where the most important part actually, because it has to
do with scrubs. So you said, you know, maybe make
a demo of that song. So I went into carry
brothers are their best friend, into his bedroom. He had

(25:17):
a little pro tools rag on an old Mac, and
I just played it live and then recorded a harmony
over it. I mean, as demo as you can get.
It's not mixing, no mastering, nothing like, no, it's one take.
And sent the demo to you. You forwarded it onto
Bill Lawrence and like, I don't know, like two three

(25:38):
weeks later, I get a call from Bill, and he's like, hey,
do you mind if I that that song works perfectly
in this episode? Do you mind if we use it?
And I was like, are you kidding? Is the first song,
the first song you'd ever written that was only recorded
just with a mic and a guitar on pro tools,
no nothing else except for one pro tools back that
it was like Carrie didn't have, like a real studio,

(26:00):
was like a This was like a little rig we had.
So the recording we hear in the show is just
you in Carry's bedroom, Yeah, on a fifty eight mic,
Like I mean, as basic as you can get, well,
and then I'll take it from there. I just this
this section. I remember I always was playing music for
Bill and he flipped out over this. We I had

(26:22):
no idea this would become such a popular episode, but
it was obviously, you know, became enormous. And then everyone
started searching for Josh's music. But the thing is he
didn't have any songs. He only had one song, right Carry.
I remember Carrie when it was airing, Kerry's like, you
need a MySpace page, you know, so if people search

(26:43):
for you or whatever. So I didn't. I was even
more computer or literate back then, although nothing's really changed.
And so carry set up my MySpace page. It was
or a little website which is a picture of me
and a link where you could just listen to Winter
the demo. And it was really cool because Bill told
me afterwards, and you told me afterwards that after the

(27:05):
show aired, Uh, well, you guys were on NBC then
before you had switched to ABC. So the NBC website
crashed after the episode aired. From so many people around
the world trying to find out where to get that
song or whose song that wasn't Oh my god, well
there goes screenwriting. I'm moving to LA and become a musician. Yeah.
So I had goose bumps when you told me that.

(27:27):
Just now that was that's such a great story. I
mean yeah, and and and it's just like it's like
when Susan Boyle came out and sang lay miss, you know,
everyone was like, oh my god, but I hear I
didn't hear what you said. I didn't. I didn't. I
don't get the Susan Boyle. Susan Boyle was that. I know,
I know who she is. I just don't understand how
well it was so moving and it was one of

(27:47):
those moments where I'm very moved, as I'm sure the
world is, because these shows are so popular. When someone
comes out and it's Susan Boyle and you're not expecting
it and they have a voice that makes you just
your jaw drop and you clutch your head like, oh
my god, where has this woman been? It's so moving
she can perform like that, And I'm just saying it
was It reminded me of Josh being like, he's he's

(28:09):
thirty years old. He was he hasn't sold a screen play,
he was feeling, he was going through a bad breakup, um,
and all of a sudden his entire life changed because
he wrote, has had the courage to write his very
first song, and the talent well, and I happened to
be best friends with a guy who was the star
of a TV show looking for music. So I mean
it's a combination of as most people will tell you

(28:31):
in the entertainment business is it's a combination of talent
and work, but also who you know, and of course
of course, but but but but you know, all those
things line up. Of course access is key, um and
and but but still, Bill wouldn't have even listened to
four seconds of my friend's shitty song. You know well,

(28:53):
I will also say that even after that episode aired
and we're talking about it wasn't like this overnight thing
where all of a sudden I was like a rock star.
It was like, man, I remember, I remember to day.
I mean it was brick by brick still, I mean
sixteen sixteen years later, and it's still like your music
industries gets hurt every year, but you are able to

(29:14):
um make a living as an artist, and so you
are blessed as we all are in that way. And
in normal times, Josh tours all over the world, so
you should always look where what's your website? We'll get
your plug in now, Josh, what's their website to search
for where you tour? And shit? Well, uh, Joshua raidin
dot com and raidings spelled our A D I N

(29:36):
that's correct. And then what do you do? Josh? You've
been doing this. We're gonna talk with the episode. Everyone
stopped freaking out. Um, Josh, what are you're doing? This
interesting thing? Now? You're doing sort of private home concerts.
How do people find out about that? UM? On my
website you can you can see it it's just a link.
That's it's a company called Topeka Live that started, um
after when this pandemic started. It's just some guys I

(29:59):
knew that started this company to help musicians kind of
engage with their audiences all over the world and play
live through these zoom shows. UM So I've been doing
that a lot this year. Um So, you can have
about you could have a zoom part, like if your
friends all love Josh, you could have like a zoom
party in joshull you hire Josh to comply, or you
can even just have a song with your with your lover.

(30:21):
It's a bunch of different options, and it's it's been
very It's I might, I might get paperweight for me
and Donald. How much Donald do you want to want
to put that with me? It's pretty cool because the
company a portion of every zoom whether it's a serenade
that's like one song and you get like a chat
fifteen minutes, or it's like a forty five little minute
mini concert you get like six songs, you request the

(30:44):
songs whatever we chat. You can do like six different
windows of zooms of people all over the world. If
you have how much for you to show your Sea Gutters.
Is that is there an option for that for that, um,
maybe just for for for Zach and Donald. Wait, hold up,
do you have a only fans Josh? Only fans? I'm
not sure what that is. Okay, you need to get fans.

(31:07):
You need to get you only fans back right away.
I was gonna say, but um, what What also is
cool about this Topeka Live is that a portion of
every thing that people purchase goes to this really cool
charity UM that helps families get out of poverty. So
it's like a win for everybody. That's really awesome. But
you need to get an only fans. Yeah, we want
everyone's everyone wants to see. Only fans will allow you

(31:29):
to show nudes and let let all your fans really
enjoy all of you. If you got if you gotta
show Sea gutters, if you gotta show Sea gutters, get
you only fans. All right, let's talk. Donald. Are you
ready with your summary? Josh? We're gonna let you sit
in because you're a VIP guest as we discussed the episode. Donald,
as you know from being discussed the episode, am I

(31:51):
allowed to talk? But yeah, of course we want your input. Okay, Um, Okay, wait,
let me get my tire, I stop watch and go
Carlos keeping her last name, Turk's mole is alive, Doctor
Clox blames Jadep for the death of a patient, and
Elliot's Bunyan is nightmarish. This episode is a lot, so

(32:14):
it's hard to summarize in thirty seconds. Brendan Fraser and
Tara Reid are back, and all of our character storylines
blend together and intertwined. Other than the obvious, one storyline
really stood out for me. Who are we when we
show ourselves to the world? Are you your true self?
Or do you hide behind a persona? It's always a

(32:36):
pleasant surprise when you get a positive reaction from a
negative person. Kelso storyline really softens you up before the
big reveal at the end of this show. Yeah, that's true.
Forty six seconds for that one guy making the graph
every day of how long on Donald is one guy
can lick my my But he's not. It's not a

(32:59):
negative thing, he just is. He's just doing an artful
graph of help. Yeah. But the way you're the way
you're using him to criticize me makes me want to
tell him to eat a dick. Yeah, you know that's
sometimes or a guy just making a graph. Um, all right, listen, Um,
it's a legendary episode, guys. Um, I gotta say in

(33:21):
in in my eight point five years on this show, Um,
this is the one that people bring up most to me.
I think, right, Donald, would you say that I get this?
I get this one a lot in a musical episode.
It's like, it's like the sixth sense? Is that the right? Yeah?
I think that Bill. Bill has said that was an inspiration.
Obviously it is the because once you see it happen,

(33:43):
you get it automatically, like you see when it all
goes down. Were watching now, watching it right? Watching it now?
The last time you watch it, you don't necessarily pick
up on it. I don't think i'd never gone back,
Like Donald and I have said, we never we never really.
We'd occasionally watched these when I don't know about you,
but I would watch them maybe when they aired, and
then I eventually stopped. And I obviously saw cuts of

(34:04):
the ones I directed. I would probably seed them all
up until nine, but I never saw them again. And
so this one now, watching knowing what you know about
Ben is really interesting. It's really fun to watch. I
reckon if you're not watching these as we go back,
if this would be the one to do it, because
once you know the ben reveal, it's fun to watch
it and knowing what you know it really is because

(34:26):
when it happens, you automatically know exactly what JD's talking about.
First of all, JD's kind of like a real cavalier
about time. But also I was gonna say that I didn't.
I had trouble with the fact that JD's cavalier. Through
the rest of the episode, he's kind of like joking

(34:46):
around and meanwhile his heroes best friend just died and
he was at the helm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it
so that was that was really interesting to me. I
was like, wow, that's a I know they have to
throw a misdirect into in there somehow. I guess this
is the way to do it, because if you're a
if JD's affected by this screw up, then we know

(35:10):
that something it's more than just you know, we think
we'll think, we'll know it's more than just the old
guy that died. It's it's got to be something bigger.
It's really masterfully done. Directed by Chris Kotch and written
by Garet Donovan and Neil Goldman. Um, it's all the
writing and direction are pretty amazing. So let's go to
the top. Yeah, this aired, by the way, on February

(35:31):
twenty fourth, two thousand and four. Wow, just if you
want to sixteen think about think about your life sixteen
years ago. Sixteen years ago, what were you doing February
twenty fourth, two thousand and four, listener, The divorce was
like in effect, like I was in a you were thrown,
we were in courtroom times. I was this is like,
this is like we are doing it now this I

(35:53):
had moved out by this point. My film came out.
Garden State came out in two thousand and four. After this, though, Yeah,
it was um I think um fall or or must
have been octobersh um or maybe the summer was this.
This was our biggest season two, right? I think season
two is the highest ranked. I don't know, Joel, can

(36:16):
you look that up for us? What was the highest
rank season? I believe I read on on scrubs Wiki.
By the way, Scrubs Wiki, you guys know, I always
talk about it, but it's it's got a lot for
this episode. If you're into that sort of thing if
you want to do a deep dive on interpretations of
all the every day have so many moments that I
don't even know if Bill thought of or Kneel and Garrett,
but there's like, why is that poster behind Ben? It

(36:36):
must mean that anyway, Mickhead more important than anything. Mickhead
has his first line, Donald, thanks Nurses Pinoza. Yeah, he
doesn't say, that's it, and then he walks away. That
was his audition. That was his audition pretty much. That
was like, can you deliver this line? Now? We know
the characters just come back from huff huffing paint rehab. Yeah,
from paint which he'll never do again, which he'll ever

(37:00):
do again. Well, he looks pretty healthy. Um, you know,
he's just back from huffing paint rehab and then he
um and and he's but he's he's pretty he's back
to being a doctor's he looks like he's all right.
He says thanks to Nurse Espanoza. Pretty well. Does does
people know? Do people know that that's Mickhead yet? Have
people put two and two together? Like we know because

(37:21):
we know Frank and we know that he played Mickhead, right,
But has the audience put two and two together. Yet
has the audience said, oh, that's the Mickhead character. I
don't know, we talk about Mickhead. I don't know that
they know that that's Mickhead, that that's Mickhead. Because when
I realized that that was Mickhead, and I'm on the
freaking show, right when I realized that was with Mickhead
was when he tried to kill his wife un later

(37:45):
later must add a huffing paint relapse. Something must have happened, right, God,
huffing paint is a joke, bizarre addiction. How did that happen?
Who was like, I'm gonna spray all this paint in
this bag, all right, put it in this bag, and
I'm gonna try and breathe all of the paint in
the bag into my motherfucking knows, Yeah, and I'm gonna try.

(38:08):
I'm gonna breathe and breathe and breathe and breathe and breathe.
I want to see what happens. But it's what motherfucker
was just sitting there like it's one thing to get
you high, but to be like, let me go get
some fucking blue, right, I need more paint um, all right,
So Joel just told us in the chat that season

(38:29):
two is the highest rated, followed by season three. So
your wife's not taking your name. Now this happened in
your real life because your wife didn't take your name.
Did that upset you, Well, it was kind of like
a sabotage thing with me. So with this, she's telling
him way before the wedding, So there's like a cushion
he could he has an opportunity to be like, well,
I don't want to do this, or he can say

(38:52):
you know what, he can get over it, and I will.
You know, I'm gonna go turking. We'll go through it
with my wife. We were at the courthouse signing the
license and I'm like, Donald Faison and her name is
gonna be Casey and she goes Cobb, oh shit, And
I was like and I was like, no, but this

(39:13):
is the marriage part. We're going at the Casey pason,
this is the courthouse, this is the time in the place.
They're like, no, we're gonna she was like. She was
like cop. She's like, but what I will do is
I'll make it so that if I do decide to
change it, we don't have to go through all of
this legal legal paperwork and stuff like that. It's like
once it's like a one signed thing, and then she

(39:35):
can change her name. Like to change your last name
after the marriage thing. It's like this whole big thing.
But if you sign, if you do a couple of
things while you're there, you can make it a little
bit less strenuous to change your last name. So she
dangled it. She dangled it in front of me to
keep me from saying, we'll fuck this shit. I'm not
don't want to get married in oh shit. She's like, no, no, no, no, no, wait,

(39:56):
before we before you get all upset in all puffy chest,
here is what I'm going to do for you. There's
a possibility that i'll change it later. I'll make it
so that it's not a problem for me to do that. Okay,
well you know, huh, I complicated, right? No. I like
that old tradition. I understand why women are more of

(40:18):
them more over it like why you don't own me?
Why am I taking your fucking name? But I think
that there's um, I guess there's it's one old school
tradition I really liked, but it's not it's not up
to the man anymore. It's very calm. I have quite
a few friends, as you know. I spend a lot
of time in Sweden over the last twelve thirteen years.

(40:40):
And yeah, for sure, from Sweden. I know a lot
of Swedish guys that are friends of mine that got
married and took their wives names. Wow, we heard them correctly, don't. Yeah,
So I'm just gonna start calling me Donald Cob, Donald Cop.
By the way, I'm gonna call you Donald Cob from
now on. They already got already got a white person's

(41:02):
last name. I don't need another white persons. I feel like,
if you already got already got another white person's last name, name,
are you fucking kidding me? What about frank That's that
sounds African to you? What about Frankie fair? That just
means we came from the same plantation, Joshua Raydon Come on, now,
come on, now, come on, now, they don't notice y'all

(41:25):
don't know wahund on. Now, how come they ain't no
black Washington. How come they know white Washington's? How come
they know white Jefferson's. You know a white Jefferson? You
know a white person with the last name Jefferson. I
don't know a white person with the last name Washington,
white person. I know, why is that? Why is that?
I don't know, Pason could have been like a made

(41:45):
up I didn't I hear what you're saying. I know,
I know what you're saying about slaves taking their master's names.
There's a phase on North Carolina. Where do you think
my ancestors parked when they got when they got taken
from Africa. I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
There's a raid in Poland, and I think that's where
possibly my name comes from. It is very possible that

(42:05):
you are that one of your Radinsky or Radinovich, you
know something. I always imagine my name was longer like
Braftberg or Brafowitz or but you could probably there probably
is a town or something like that. There is somewhere
where your name originated. And it's not necessarily a person.
It's like the right am I correct me if I'm wrong.

(42:27):
It sounds like about right. No, Like all my grandparents
have unfortunately passed away, so I don't really have a
great resource to find out where my relatives are from.
But I think it's probably Polish German like I imagine, like,
you know, somebody like you know, I'm making up a name,
but somebody like Jason York was from York in England

(42:51):
back in the day, and when having to describe himself,
I'm Jason from York and then he became Jason York,
you know what I mean? Like, I imagine that's how
to ship probably happened. So all right, Well we learned
that JD has a Pinionta helmet. And not only does
he have a Piniona helmet, he has his own SpongeBob
SquarePants costume, which he says was a gift from me

(43:12):
to me. Yes, yes, can I Why does JD have?
How many times has JD been hit in the head?
He is a helmet that's specifically for Pinonta parties. Yeah,
because he that one. There was that one time or
maybe twice and he's like, you know what, I gotta

(43:34):
get my Piniona helmet. Um so, um so here's an
interesting Ben is back. He's not treating he's not treating
his cancer. Um as we told you last time, um
um Brendan was on. He was actually he is a
super big photographer and had all sorts of really cool

(43:57):
cameras in this one for those camera geeks out there.
He's got a polaroid back on a Holga, which is
something I hadn't even ever seen before. I had to
google that it was a real thing. But Holga is
a Holga is a very cheap plastic camera that people
love because if you put film in it, it takes
really cool interesting it has a plastic lens. It's really cheap.

(44:17):
And then he put a polaroid back on it, which
bought you Alga. Remember that. Yeah, I get them as
one because people know I love cameras and they're not
that expensive. It's a great gift. Yeah, I didn't have
any money, and I know you're like cameras. Yeah, I
got like forty Holgas. If you want one, I'll give
you one back for a hank. It's kidding. And then
so the polaroid back is um is, I don't know,
I've never seen it, and then I googled. Yeah, but

(44:37):
they didn't even make that film anymore unfortunately anywhere. That's
just a moment for the camera geeks. And anyway, my
point is is that later on Ben says, I'll take
pictures until the day I die. Wow. And then the
second he first appears, and as a hallucination, he no
longer has the camera ever again at all. Wow, I

(44:58):
didn't to you said that. I didn't even I didn't
put that together. I got that from Scrubs with you.
I have to there's a few things that that were
cool that I didn't even know, and that that was
one of them. This is some sixth cent shit, I'm
telling you, man. Yeah. Well, the obvious thing is that
no one, no one sees Ben other than Cox because
once he's dead. And when you go back and watch,

(45:22):
it's really clever. How how Chris Cotch directed all of that.
It's very very well done. There's a whole interaction with
Sarah where he's pretending to be a public mass. Amazing
physical comedy by both him and Sarah. And then when
she walks away and he's still holding onto the string,
imaginary string and he falls off of the counter amazing
physical comedy by Brendan Frazo. Yeah, Brandon was so good

(45:43):
in this episode, so good, so good. He's just so
freaking charming, that guy he is, he is and and
and I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest with you. The
doctor Kelso storyline is so important for this episode. It's
so important because it's the hard, this this hard character
who softens at the end, right, And when he softens,

(46:07):
that's when we as an audience also are let in
on the big reveal that Ben's Ben's dead and he's
been dead for a while, and that I personally feel like,
I don't think that would be as impactful if you
don't see a journey throughout the show, because there is

(46:29):
no journey throughout the show and this other you know
what I mean, there's no journey. Ben's there in the
beginning and he's dead. There's no journey for Cox Cox.
There's nothing for Cox really to accept other than the
fact that his that his best friend's dead and everything.
There's no journey for him. There's no journey for jd
there's no journey for anyway. The only person that has
a journey in this is Kelso and his Kelso and

(46:49):
and Kelso's journey is so important that it's it has
to land at the end for Ben's death to be
even more impactful. Yeah, you know what I mean, I do.
Is it the first time Kelso's shown any heart at all,
Because there's a moment in the closet where Judy says
it's been a hard week. Now, the audience first time

(47:11):
through assumes that's solely because she's arguing with you about stuff. Um,
they don't realize that she's also processing this death. And
then then we know Kelso also is processing stuff. Friends
with Ben, but you know he shows he I mean
to me, it was the first time he showed real
humanity at all. Right, And it's so important for this,

(47:31):
for this moment to land at the end, because now
he softened everybody up, He's given everybody the he's he's
made it so everybody is a relaxed Oh. This is
a great ending for Scrubs where I feel fuzzy inside.
And so then when you get punched in the gut
that we're at the we're at a funeral at the end,

(47:51):
and Josh's song starts to play, it's even more impactful.
It's because of Ken's storyline. It's because of kel so
storyline and how well he plays it at the end
the closet with Carla, it's so great. It's so I
wanted to mention that Randall Winston's credit comes up at
the exact moment that Leonard the security guard is mentioned Wow,

(48:17):
So someone cleverly timed it. So just as we're talking
about Leonard the security guard and his afro and his
hook hand, Randall's credit comes up, because have you ever
done that? What timed it? So when your name comes
up a specific no usually key or music key or
a you know whatever, a music note or whatever whatever.

(48:38):
Well I'm going in style. Was the first time a
first feature I directed that had the full hundred piece
orchestra score. So I think when my card comes at
the end, directed by I made sure that there was
a hundred piece orchestra flourish because like in some movies,
In some movies, like you'll see like in Eddie Murphy

(48:59):
movies are great for like the beginning of The Golden Child,
there's all of this montage stuff and then when Eddie
Murphy shows up, you see Eddie Murphy like he turns
to camera just like a sitcom damn Near and he
had the big smile on his face, and it's like
Eddie Murphy the Golden Child, you know what I mean?
Like I wonder. I wonder, like even even when directors
or well music people, when they when their title card

(49:20):
comes up, do they put a little spruce in it,
maybe you know what I mean, maybe subliminate. The credits
are added so much later after you've locked and and
there's and there's a there's a an order that everyone
has to go and just per contracts, so it would
be pretty tricky to do it after the fact unless
you planned on doing it. I don't mean, I don't
mean to imply that they cut this to Randall's picture.

(49:42):
I just mean it probably was close and then it
was kind of like, you know, if he fledge it
a few seconds, it'll because in the beginning of scrubs,
for those of you never I mean, I don't think
we've ever discussed this. They have to do all these
opening credits because you know, I mean, that's that's just
part of the rules, the contracts, the guild rules and everything,
and and they can be distracting. So there's times when

(50:04):
they'll pause them for a few seconds if a joke
is playing out to not upstage the joke, and then
they'll bring them back in and it's just very subtle.
The audience wouldn't really notice it. So I'm just saying
they may have fudged a little bit so it timed
out perfectly as he's mentioned Carla hates Turk's mole his
tickle button. Yeah, I imagine that's a lot of people's

(50:25):
first reaction. I remember one time I was at my
best friend's house. We were kids, and her dad kept
looking at me like really weird, like staring really hard
at my face. And I kept looking back at him like, hey,
is everything okay? And he kept staring so hard, and

(50:46):
finally he was like, I'm sorry, man, but what the
fuck is that on your face? Oh? My god? And
I was like what. He was like, what the fuck
is that on your face? You got some shit on
your face? Oh? What a dick? He thought was food
or something. He thought I had, like doo doo oh

(51:07):
on my lip. That feels a little bad. I want
to hug a baby dude who lived Donald. I laughed
so hard at that moment. Oh, really, you weren't upset.
I would have been upset. No, I was old enough.
I was like sixteen. It was that embarrassed after you
didn't know. It was like it was more like, dude,
what do you You've known me my whole life and

(51:29):
you don't You've never noticed this before. He's known me
before puberty. He knew me before everything, and he never
noticed that I had a mole off. It's embarrassing, though, though.
Don't you think, like, were you always awkward around that guy?
From then on, I would feel so like cringey. No,
not at all. Man. When I arrived the Northwestern I
had just done Manhattan Murder Mystery. Uh one scene, As
I think I mentioned before, I was Woody Allen movie. Yeah,

(51:51):
I was their son. And this kid I was always
a good friend of mine. Um, I really liked him.
And we were walking and he's and we start talking
about Manhatt Murmistry and he said, supposedly that kid who
plays the son goes to school here, and I kind
of chuckled, and he went, I don't really think he
was that good though, And it was clear he hadn't

(52:13):
seen the movie. Dude. I thought he was doing a bit,
but he wasn't, and it told we weren't really able
to ever recover. Yeah, but it was It was clearly, dude,
he hadn't seen the movie though. No, I think he'd
seen the movie. There's no way he'd seen the movie
and not recognized you, though I don't. I just don't.
Maybe I didn't have the same haircut and he just

(52:33):
didn't put two. Dude, I'm telling you, it was so
cringing and awkward that our friendship died a quick death.
Oh dude, that's nothing. I remember sitting in a movie theater,
freaking behind two ladies watching Wait in the exhale and
there throughout the movie talking about how much they love
the movie. Oh, this is such a great movie. I'm
quiet behind them, just enjoying the ride with them and
everything like that, laughing when they're laughing, and then I

(52:55):
come on screen and my scene's over and they go, yeah,
I don't like him. Him though the movies good, he
is not. And I remember being like, oh, and that's
when you just fade right back into that's like real
time trolling, real time trolling, right in my face. It
happened to Oh my god. All right. On that note,
we're gonna go to break and we come back. We're

(53:16):
gonna have a guest who, hopefully we'll have questions for.
Josh Radon will be right back after these fine ones,
and we're ba bring him in, Donald, I mean, bring
him in, Daniel, no problem, Josh, you're excited. It's your
first um guest caller on the Scrubs. Rewatch program. Lena

(53:42):
is joining Lena Lena. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up
for Lena, Lena, Lena, Lena. Everybody raid that's the josh
for Radona. Hi, Hi, Lena, Welcome to the program. That's
don phase on Joel Monique, Joshua Rading Uh, Daniels and

(54:04):
a broken camera. Lena. If you're ever in the market
for a webcam, do not buy the Imaging Edge webcam.
It doesn't work. Apparently the Imaging Edge webcam is really expensive. Yeah,
but it doesn't ever. If I would, if I had
the time, I would go on Amazon and give it
one star. Well, my webcam was about forty nine dollars
and it's doing great, maybe I sid Yeah, you look great.

(54:29):
Do you notice how Lena, we're able to see you? Yeah,
Daniels webcam didn't come with that feature. Oh and and
hear that, Daniel. Yeah. You guys need merch webcams. Yeah,
you have every merch thing that is known to man.
We're gonna sell h fake doctor's real friends webcams, but

(54:50):
they're not We're not going to source them from Imaging
EdgeCAM Edge web I I'm still trying to get my
hands on the onesie, So I have to wait on
the webcam restocked to Joel. Do you know I'm working
on that. But I'll give you guys an update. No
idea we had. We we kind of thought it would
be funny. We thought we ordered six hundred because we

(55:11):
were like, there's a lot of people listening to this
all over the world. Maybe maybe we'll sell six hundred eventually,
and and that won't be too many to order. And
they were gone in twenty four hours, all of them. Yes,
I can't even get one from my from my from
my family, my wife. Same of it is. We have
a PJA day coming up at work? And where do

(55:32):
you work? Where do you work? I'm a nurse. Oh shit,
it got real. It just got interesting. Where are you at?
Where are you working at? Yeah? So I'm working for
the largest healthcare organization in western Pennsylvania. So anyone from
Pittsburgh will know exactly who I'm talking about. That's where

(55:53):
I work. Oh, so you're going to be one of
the first to get the vaccine. So, um, I'm in
home care, so the vaccine will go to the acute
care staff first in the hospital. That started yesterday And
actually my organization was the first to give it, and
then home care will be the second round. Okay, so February,

(56:14):
I hope, sooner than that. They're saying by the end
of January. Okay. Yeah, when you say at home care,
do you mean you care for people in their homes. Correct,
So we take care of people who either came out
of the hospital. So our COVID patients who come out
of the hospital really they're really deconditioned, so they really
take more therapy than nurses. But what's also happening is

(56:35):
that we are so understaffed in the hospitals, understaffed in
home care, we're running out of beds, so unfortunately, they're
having to send patients home from the hospital faster than
they should. So in home care, we're now taking care
of people with central lines, chess tubes, chemo, and so
we've become an extension of acute care, and so we're

(56:55):
taking care of people trying to keep them out of
the hospital so that hospital beds are open for the
patients who really need it. So you're providing care at
how in the home? Yeah? How do you how do
you staff a team large enough to take care of
all of the people that you're sourcing now out of

(57:16):
the hospitals say it sounds like they're because they're running out. Well,
they have to stretch it some way. How are you
stretching it right now? So it's funny that you ask that, Donald,
And if I really figure out the right way to
do it, I'm going to write a book and I'm
going to be a trillionaire and then i won't have
to be a nurse anymore. But here's what we're doing.

(57:37):
So I'm a supervisor. I actually am in the office
money through Friday, making sure that the nurses get the
ppe they need, that all of the patients who need
to be covered are covered. If we have to prioritize.
I'm the one who's picking who gets seen and who
doesn't get seen. So I'm also coordinating with the hospitals
to say, no, we're not taking anymore. You need to
find another home care. It's not a safe discharge. You

(57:59):
need to keep them. So then on the weekends, I'm
going out and seeing patients. So we're all just doing
the best that we can. And it's scary because our
patient list is growing and our staff list is shrinking. Yeah,
I was seeing something today in LA that there there
there are people that are waiting in ambulances because there's
just there's no beds and La La is running out

(58:21):
of ICU beds, so they had people. There was something
I read, I think it was on Deadline about how
they're literally just the ambulances are pulling up and just
holding people because they just there's a backlog. What are
you guys doing there? So I'm in Pittsburgh and we
locked down Saturday morning. We went back on lockdown, and
they were saying, don't have a stroke or a heart

(58:43):
attack in Pittsburgh because there's no ICU beds left. And
that's a really scary thought. So in home care, what
we are doing to help is if we can keep
them out of the hospital, we are so if that
means that we get telehealth, or we get a social worker,
or we get family involved, We're trying to critically think
and keep out of the hospital. But at the same time,
I went about three weeks ago, patient was discharged from

(59:06):
the hospital Friday night. I went in Saturday morning, and
I sent them right back to the hospital. So it's
just knowing what can I handle in the home, what
do I need to send back to the hospital, it's
getting the doctors on the phone and trying to think
and talk and figure out what we can do. Because
in home care, you're you're in the living room. There's
no X rays, there's no blood work, there's no doctor

(59:27):
that I can grab and say, hey, what do you think?
It's just a nurse standing in a living room. So
we're doing the best we can with the resources we have.
Our health system is huge. They have their own insurance,
they have their own long term care facilities. So we're
trying to think out, can we just get the patient
on telehealth and open them, open up a nurse for
another visit. Is this somebody who just needs to go
back to the hospital, as much as I hate to

(59:48):
do that, So we're just doing the best we can.
We're critically thinking trying to get the patients who can
stay out of the hospital what they need, and then
get the patients who need to be in the hospital
into the hospital. Thank you so much for what you're doing.
And if you could, let's say you're in a position
like you are right now where you could speak to
thousands and thousands and thousands of people across the world,

(01:00:12):
what would you tell them in terms of from your
point of view, what's the best thing they could be
doing to keep themselves healthy. Oh my gosh, I might
actually start crying right now, because if you do an
opportunity that every nurse wishes they could have right now,
wear your masks, even if you think it's stupid and

(01:00:34):
it doesn't work. What if there's a one percent chance
that you could protect your parents, or your children or
the neighbor. If there's a one percent chance that we're
all right and you should wear your mask, then why
risk it? So wear the mask? Only go out when
you have to. If you do have to go out,
be really smart about it. Like I said, use that
critical thinking and say, okay, well can I outsource what what?

(01:00:57):
Maybe I can ask my neighbors what they need and
one person can make the trip the healthiest of us.
I understand it's Christmas. I understand it's Tonica. I understand
it's d I understand that all of these beautiful holidays
are happening and that you want to be with your families.
But this is It's not a normal year, and the
best gift that you can give to the world right now,

(01:01:19):
including your own family, is to stay home. If you
can and if you can't be smart about it, be
really smart and really think it through. And if you
don't believe it, but there's a one percent chance we're
all right, then why risk it? Yeah? Beautifully said? Beautifully said,

(01:01:39):
and right from from someone on the front lines. I mean,
you guys all hear me and Donald talk about it
because we lost a friend and Josh lost a friend
as well. But um, but I think people are just
used to hearing it now and they roll their eyes.
So to hear it from from a nurse who is
on the front lines and seeing it day in and
day out, I really appreciate that. All Right, have any questions.

(01:02:01):
I feel silly to segue to this because you have
a question. We we we anything scrubs related, anything Josh
Ray related. Yeah, So if I have the opportunity for too,
I'm gonna ask a scrubs question, and then I'm gonna
ask a non scrubs questions. Okay, Oh, that's okay. Josh.
Josh is just happy to be here. He's happy to
be eavesdropping. Oh wait, if you know any nice women,

(01:02:22):
I feel like a Jewish mother. If you know any
nice women in the LA area. He's wonderful, he paints.
He sings, Pittsburgh, I'm available. Oh Josh, you got a
beautiful nurse right here for you. But I don't think
a crazy though, yeah crazy. And also I just don't
think Pittsburgh is going to be where Josh plants his roots.

(01:02:44):
But listens and I understand, um, but I'd be lucky
to have you Len. He's also a charmer. Lena and
Um and nurses. Being with the nurse is one of
those things that you hope you never need, but then
if you suddenly do, you're so well out, there's there.
I would I think that's great to be with a nurse,
because you could because I'm always like, what's this thing?

(01:03:05):
What is this? Is this? Am I gonna die from this?
Josh and I am the same doctor and we um
and he's retiring actually. But the thing I loved about
him is like, if I hawked up a lugie, I
could send him a text of it and I'd be like,
do I need antibiotics? And he'd be like, yes, and
that's gross. Yep. I get pictures you can't imagine. You know.
Some people worry about like, oh, there's going to be

(01:03:26):
a dick pick I can't like about to say up
on my phone what I get texted? Oh my god,
we were talking about Joel getting lots of inappropriate pictures.
All right, what's your question? Go ahead? Oh my god,
are you talking about online dating Joel? Yeah, I've gotten

(01:03:46):
yeah out there. I would I would like to discuss this. Okay,
let's be let's be respectful and tactful. She's a she's
a classy woman. Absolutely. Um, what which for you? One?
Is it the tender that you're getting all these invit
I tried to do it right and I went like
frommatch dot com. I paid the money and everything, and um,

(01:04:09):
you upload pictures, you describe yourself, and you put this
nice little narrative like listen, I'm very busy. If you
need a lot of attention, don't bother to talk to me.
This is what I'm looking for. And then just the
DM start and there will be things out of like
I had one that just said, I bet you taste great. Wow,

(01:04:32):
screechy violins on that cow. I don't know if I could.
I don't know if I could do that. I don't
know if I met I think, don't you when you
hear tales about how gross fucking men are, don't you
just like I'm just always so. I mean, I know
about this, but we men don't get sent I don't get.
I don't I don't want and and and please don't start,

(01:04:52):
please don't don't want to hear these But when I
hear these tales, I just can't believe how fucking gross
men back dick picks aren't even the most shocking. That's
not that, it's the stuff and they say to you,
I don't get any of that stuff. Like I I
go through my DMS like looking for the ship, like,
let you see what. No, I don't want to dick pick.

(01:05:15):
I want to see what my fans are saying to me.
So sometimes i'll scroll through it and it'll be some
of the stuff I'm like, oh god, that's heart wrenching,
Oh my god, I shouldn't have opened this. Why did
I open this? And then some of it it's like
some of it's like yo, man, fuck you man, Yo,
your your your podcast is shit. Man. All y'all do
is talk about shit on the right and on you

(01:05:35):
for you let the shit on the left. Y'all know,
you know you need to be newcast, right. I get
I get a lot of that with the red siren emoji.
I'll tell you to make a nurse blush, you have
to you gotta really, you gotta really put it out there.
And some of the messages I've gotten have made me blush.
I have yet to get one of those messages. I'm

(01:05:57):
very happy that I've yet to get one of those messages.
Yet to get the messages, the real question is, well,
not there's many questions I have about this, but when
you're asking how crazy men are, which is totally true,
it's it's insane. But I have female friends that have
told me things like that before, have stories like that,
and all these um inappropriate messages, and you're like, my

(01:06:19):
first thought was, okay, so you're a guy who goes
on on match dot com and sends these inappropriate pictures
or messages wherever, Like is there are you sending those
to like one hundred women hoping it one time it
works there? It has to be. It has to be that.
It's like fishing. They're they're hoping that they catch one.
But I'm saying, like, if it's let's say it's one

(01:06:42):
out of five hundred, A woman actually responds like, are
you won you won you did. We spoke about this earlier,
that one women woman is ruining it for every other
woman every you, especially if it happens like in the
first week or the first you know, a couple of
times you try it where you're like, here's a dick
pick and you get the response like, wow, I can't

(01:07:05):
I know if that would have happened to anybody, they'd
be like, I'm doing this for the rest of the time.
I don't know if you watched that UM, that last
Amy Schumer stand up special, but she had a great um.
She had great advice for women who get dick picks,
and she said, if you get a dick pic, send
back a picture of a bigger dick. When when he responds,

(01:07:29):
what's this, you just go, oh, sorry, I just thought
we were sending pictures of cool dicks. I don't think.
I don't think. When you get a text, you have
time to think of the response. You don't have to
be really clever, really fast, so it gives you the
opportunity with to come up with something great. So I
had a guy and feel free to censor this if

(01:07:50):
you'd like to, but I not his name. We don't
want to sense or anything. I don't I don't remember
his name on one of a thousand whom. I opened
it up and it said when's the last time you
got ben over? And made come hard? Oh? And it
was all misspelled, which is super hot. And so I responded,
ask your brother. I think he wrote down the date. Wow, okay,

(01:08:12):
it gives you time, Like I got it. I have
to have some coffee think about it. How do I
want to respond to that? All right? As fun as
that is, Lena, I don't know that you shouldn't. I
mean I wouldn't engage, but not to be paternal. I
don't think you should engage because they can be scared. Okay,
Oh yeah, I'm about to say. You gotta I gotta say, Lena,
you're such a You're a nurse, You're a very beautiful woman.

(01:08:33):
I feel like Joell, we could if you want, we
could put your well, I don't know if that's going
to encourage it. I'm trying. If you're in the Pittsburgh area,
how can what do we do? We could put your
Instagram on our show notes or something that's gonna I'm
trying to help beverbody calm down. This isn't we're not
We're not even not fixed your life yet. We haven't
even gotten The show is gonna be so fucking long.

(01:08:55):
But I just wanted to say, Lena, Um, I don't
want to encourage that behavior, but gosh, I wish I
could set you up with someone. Oh no, that's fine.
I'm so busy right now. You're busy, busy freaking handling
COVID man romance. Everyone's got time for the a little
bit of romance. A right, go ahead, Lena, Sorry, what's
your question? So my question is for Zack and Donald.

(01:09:20):
So let's say that somebody says, I want to make
a movie about the making of Scrubs, how it came
to fruition, behind the scenes. What young actors now are
playing YouTube in your mid twenties. Oh wow, good question,
great question. Well I would play myself obviously, I mean black,

(01:09:42):
don't crack, you know. Yeah, so I think Ben Platt
would play me. Oh that's a good answer, because I
like so it would be me and Ben Platt pretty much. Yea,
and more musical episodes too. Ben Platt has a beautiful voice,
so I would sound even better when I sang, and
and I think he does. Um, I saw him and

(01:10:04):
dearman Hanson and he and obviously he's playing a very
different character. But but there were a lot of jdisms
that I liked and saw and respected. I think he's
very talented. Donald out a kid, the kid from Stranger Things. Man,
that's my dude. Okay. Yeah, although he's a teenager, you
need to be he's getting he's getting. He'sn't he's almost eighteen. Man,

(01:10:28):
boy got mustache and everything. Now he's growing up. Okay,
he's getting tall. There you go. There is your scrubs,
behind the scenes movie cast right there. Um, all right,
what's your next question? You said you had another one. Yeah,
So I'm actually working on my doctorate and nursing. Sorry, Joel,
this is not the question I told you, but I
promise it's PC. Okay, you working on your doctor and nursing.
That's so awesome. Do not apologize to me. Yeah, and

(01:10:49):
you don't have to, and you don't have to censor yourself.
You know, we liked anything inappropriate. I'm my doctorate project
is on decreasing the stress in our frontline managers, so
the managers who are between the patient care staff and
the executive management team. So these are our frontline managers.

(01:11:09):
M So my question for all of you, especially right now,
is what are you guys doing to decrease your stress?
Drinking lots of pino noir, going outside. I like going.
I broke my toe. I was If you listen to podcast,
you know I was cycling a lot. The peloton was

(01:11:29):
a great source of leaving stress for me. I broke
my toe. So I'm a little on time out with
exercise cardio. But I've been going to the dog park.
We have a big dog park near us, and I
love I get endorphins when I go and watch my
dogs print around the dog park, and I don't know
those are and those are my first ones that come

(01:11:51):
to mind. What about you, Josh, We know that you're
you're hiking. Yeah. I like walking around in nature as
much as I can, and reading and you know, just
just getting through it, basically getting through it. We lost Donald.
What happened to Donald? It's like your question dropped out.

(01:12:12):
Daniel will deal with that. Joel, Joel, what is your
answer to the question. It was like doing Christmas things
like which sounds crazy, but like you have to go
all over the place, and like it was like researching
with a friend and then like calling shops to see
how we could do it safely. And it is like
in the spirit of giving back, and it was like

(01:12:34):
it was a great way to like both like physically
get myself out of the house because I you know,
I'm an anxious person I ADHD and it like going
outside a pre pandemic. Well like I have um social anxiety,
m post pandemic being inside so much now, I's like
just going to my friend's house is like four or
five times much higher. I'm so anxious. Um So having

(01:12:57):
like a goal something to do, a partner that I
has been safe throughout this whole thing to go do
it with It's been like the greatest dress reliever. And
then now I get to send people packages and they
over going to open them on Zoom And there's that
whole like giving back like aspect of it that I'm
just really excited to participate in. So Christmas season for
the win, I agree that, um you know there is

(01:13:20):
I am having a lot of fun buying presents for
people and and and then we took a lot. We
had a lot of joy in decorating the house and
getting I've never done a real full out Christmas because
I'm Jewish, or at least I'm not. I'm secular, but
you know, we just never did it. Yeah, congrats on
your Christmas tree. Yeah, we went all out. We went
all out, and uh, it's it's fun. I'm having that is,

(01:13:41):
you know, decorating the house and making it all super
cozy has been has been a source of joy. How's
it going with Donald there, Daniel? He has not responded, well, Daniel,
what do you do to distress? What do I do
to distress? You know, I am a big fan of
electronic music. Um, I've really like biking, riding my bicycle,

(01:14:02):
and so there are times usually after work, usually late
at night, I would say around ten pm. I have
a very flat neighborhood, and so it's also a very
quiet at night, not a lot of cars. So I'll
throw it in my helmet, throw on some headphones, turn
the light onto my bike, and i will just do
laps around my neighborhood, blasting drum and bass in my

(01:14:22):
ears and just going as hard as possible and letting
the music just like plow through me like I'm in
an action film. I always feel like I'm being chased
by like the bad guys in the matrix. Whenever I'm
like biking around my neighborhood just listening to super super
fast electronic music. I come home, I'm exhausted, I've sweat
dripping all over me, and I just feel, you know,

(01:14:45):
alive and released and just like loose and it's it
feels great, it feels great. I would think that that
would I mean, that sounds awesome, but I would think
that would amp you all up. You'd come home like
all Like, there's definitely a degree it. Also, I really
try to do that when I am really trying to
get rid of stress. So I'm already kind of tensed

(01:15:06):
up and ready to go and working it out, Yes,
gets my heart rate going, but also just helps me
released that stress. So while there's still like a worked
up heart rate and stuff, there's a much more turned
down mental state that's like, Okay, we are released from this,
we are done, and now we can just move on
with the night and go take a hot shower and
you know, have a glass of something and go to bed. Yeah,

(01:15:30):
how about you, Lena, what do you do? You cut you?
I mean you you're writing this dissertation, right? Is that
what it is? So when you're a nurse, you're it's
called a scholarly project, and it actually lasts the entire
five semesters of doctor at school. So I've just completed
my first semester. So all I've had to do at

(01:15:52):
this point is just come up with the idea and
turn that in and say this is the background of
why this is a problem in nursing. I haven't got
to the actual like getting it approved or putting together
the actual study design, I think and then actually having
the experiment I think will be the really stressful part.
But so for now, Um, the stressful part is so

(01:16:15):
I'm a I'm a mom, I'm a full time doctorate student,
and i'm a single mom of I'm sorry, I'm a nurse,
I'm a doctorate student, and i'm a single mom of
two active teenage girls your plate. So I'm busy and
so um, you know, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry interrupt you, Daniel,
And he's waiting to be let back in Donald. There

(01:16:35):
we go. Oh there is right. Stop talking about him.
Stop talking about him. Hearing you what happened not a
good signal in that closet. Yeah, I can't tell you

(01:16:56):
what I do to relieve stress. That's all. She's a nurse.
That's my business. She's a nurse, and it's very healthy. Right,
it's normal, but it's normal. It's normal. Rights, normal, Right,

(01:17:17):
it's normal. Right, it is normal, Lena is not. It
is probably abnormal for a forty six year old man
to have the libido of a sixteen year old right, No, no, yeah,
she's shaking her head. You're normal, that's a normal. Yeah,
that's what. Yeah. I told you, I told you and

(01:17:40):
my wife that shit. But nobody wanted to listen to me, Lena.
Nobody wanted to listen to me. Everybody is like, no,
there's something wrong with you. There's something wrong with you,
and there's something wrong with your insides, and you need
to see therapy. You need to see therapy. You need
to go talk to somebody about your freaking libido. Well,
maybe Lena King, maybe Lena can give you a note

(01:18:01):
for Casey that says this is perfect prescription in prescription
to Yeah, all right, let me go get a hold
on no no, no, no no, no no no no no
no no no, come on, all right, let's talk about
fix your life. I don't know if we can fix
your life, but if there's any way we can you
missed Donald. She's got two teenage daughters in addition and

(01:18:23):
as a single mom in addition to being a nurse.
So she's got a lot of doctorate student yeah kind
of doctor. Got a lot on your plate there, right,
How can we fix your So this is um. I
just want your advice. This is what I really need
from you guys, because you are artists and you understand

(01:18:43):
what this is like. Yes, being a nurse was never
my dream. I actually went to college for musical theater
and then got pregnant, had to get a real job
with health insurance, went to nursing school, probably because of scrubs.
I'm not gonna lie the time up. And now I'm
I'm a mom and I'm a nurse. And so I

(01:19:07):
did a lot of community theater and then that wasn't
an option anymore because I was too busy. So what
I did was I sat down and wrote a book.
I wrote a fiction. I sort of just wrote my
own fantasy world that I got to escape into since
I couldn't be an actress anymore. And I felt really
good about it. I was really passionate about it. I
was very excited. And then eighteen rejections later from agents.

(01:19:34):
I had somebody who said, I'll take a look at it,
but you have to cut out roughly forty thousand words.
So I said, I don't. I don't want to do that.
I have all these people who have read it, they
love it. I've read it, I've edited it. I don't
want to take any more out of it. I'm gonna
self publish. So I got the website, I got the TikTok,

(01:19:57):
I got seventy five hundred followers on tick talk. I
put a little teaser about the book. Everyone seemed excited, um,
and then I really started looking at self publishing, and
I thought, if I really want to do this, I
need to get a kickstarter. But I don't have the time.
I don't know we're gonna be your grit kickstarter because
we're gonna look your website, what's the name of the book,

(01:20:21):
and how do people find out about the book? So
I guess my question was do I go for it
or do I shelve it? But it sounds like you're
saying just go for it. This is a place where
dreams come true. We're sit we tip pick, we'd pick up,
we go to the store. We go to staples, we
get white boards, we get erasable markers, okay, yes, and

(01:20:44):
we take those markers to set board and and we
write down our dreams and goals. Why do you have
like a why do you sound like a preacher something?
I like it because I'm trying to get Lena. She
needs to get up off her ass, go to the
white bull and race and right down. Wants to self

(01:21:10):
publish our own book. Write it down, alright, reverend, reverend, reverend,
there's so many babies unlatching right now, so many babies
aren't eating right now. But I'm super excited. All right, Well,
Donald's right. We we really believe that you can manifest.
We're big believers in manifesting. From the white board. It
sounds like it's already on your white board and you're
about to get the biggest plug you you could ever get. Um,

(01:21:32):
which is so funny you say that, sack, because the
way that I got on this podcast is that I'm
a witch and I wrote a spell and I did
a spell to get on this podcast. That was a
big that's a big right angle turn. By the way,
much like much like this episode, there's a reveal at
the end of the Caller, She's a witch. I didn't

(01:21:54):
want to ruin Joel's big, big twist, but yeah, I'm
a witch. And that's how I got myself on here.
And so, just like you said, Jack, I wanted to
manifest this happening. Are you serious? Are you really a which?
Because some people really are? Which? Really? Which? So that's
my altar right behind me with your whiteboard right above it. Okay,
so I'm not I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to.

(01:22:16):
I'm not trying to make jokes or anything like. No,
don't make jokes because it's not religion. How do you
how do you practice and science at the same time?
How are you able to do? Donald? That's such a
good question, very good questioned. Must be wearing off, it's
such a good question. So, no, the weed is kicking it.
You thought that you thought I took a break because
the computer went down? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I need to

(01:22:38):
go smoke some red. So yeahbuddy, something tells me you
dropped out of the zoom right around the time when
you needed a fucking dropped right around four twenty. That's
dropped out. Yeah all right, so Lena, we can't go
down a giant witchcraft world. But Donald, that's a great question.
How do you reconcile spells and science. So the human
body is made up of energy and electricity, so everything

(01:23:00):
around us, and if you go all the way back
to the pagan belief, back back, back, back back, their
belief was very much about manipulating the energy that is
around us, that all the energy is, we're all connected,
all of us, and they believed in honoring that. So
if you very quickly to make this super super quick,

(01:23:21):
if you look at the rivers of chi that are
drawn out by the Chinese back back back back, it
actually lines up with the nervous system. So way way
back before we even had science, people knew that there
was something greater than all of us, that we were
all connected, that by caring for the earth, we were
caring for ourselves, for caring for each other, we're caring

(01:23:43):
for ourselves. And so I think there is a room
for Western medicine and Eastern medicine. If you want to
manifest something in your life, Zach, you actually save us
a lot on the podcast. You have more magical thinking
than you probably realize. But if you want to man
infest things, you're manipulating energy around you and you're creating
it to happen. However, if somebody in front of you

(01:24:05):
goes into respiratory to stress and drops, you don't want
to burn incense. You want to care for them. And
that we were lucky that we were able to understand
Western medicine but still hold on the Eastern medicine. So
I do believe that there is a place for both things.
But I do think that when it comes to things
like creating what you want in life, that there is

(01:24:27):
a way to honor that and honor the things around you.
And I think that my job is a nurse honors
all of the people out in this world. It cares
for life, and because of that I get a lot
of abundance back in return. I'm very lucky in that sense.
But I do think that there's room for everything. I
think that all of us can be in harmony, and
that includes Western and Eastern. So that includes magical thinking

(01:24:50):
as well as science. If that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, sorry,
it was really quick. It wasn't It makes a lot
a sense. It's like, you know, it's believing in religion
and also believing that scientist can exist with religion as well,
and I totally get it, absolutely absolutely So if you're

(01:25:11):
sitting at the bedside of somebody who's dying, of course
you're going to pray for them, but you're also going
to want the doctor to do everything they can to
try and keep that person alive. And that's where I
really try to honor both things. Um, well, we hear you,
and we respect you, and we respect all religions, um
and belief systems. Um. So wait, so tell everyone, um

(01:25:31):
how to find do you do you got a cat?
I just want to know, do you have a cat?
I do? Is it a black cat? No? You are right?
And its name is Sebastian, all right? And the interest
of and the interests of episode lines? How do we
how do We're out of time? Lena? But tell us
how to find your book? Tell everyone how to find

(01:25:53):
your book. Yeah. So if you want to find my TikTok,
I'm all nurse all the time. All my information is
on there, and my website is uh Lena l E
Na nasri and a z as in zebra a r
ei dot com. And you can find all the information
on there. And I guess I'm gonna make a Kickstarter,
so watch for it. What's the title of the book.

(01:26:14):
But what's the title of the bight Shift. It's about
a night shift nurse who becomes a vampire. Night shifts
were you know, you know how we do because we
got a little story that we like to talk about
about a doctor who becomes a vampire and his name
is doctor Acula. Yea nice, Donald, you like it. There's
a lot of sex in the book. It's very sexy.
There's a lot of what sex sex Donald could use it. Wait,

(01:26:39):
hold on, I'm sorry, Lena, I think you have me
confused for someone else. Oh, sorry, apologize, I I I
can't even continue this with a straight face. All right,
I'm very Intrina. You've been an awesome guest. Um, thank
you for being a frontline worker and for all that
you're doing. And um, and please staycy and thank you

(01:27:00):
for coming on. You're an awesome guest. Thank thank you,
very body. Thank you. Let's take a break. We'll be
right back after these fine words. Well, there were so

(01:27:22):
many chapters to that call. That was a big that
was that was truly I mean, she's jo Well did
you know she was going to drop the witch bomb
at the end hell, yeah, why do you think I
picked her? I was, sister, let's do that. You were
you were? You were probably like, what's she gonna start
talking about the witches? Which I was worried. I wasn't
gonna get in there. Well, she had a lot to

(01:27:43):
say and she's very interesting. But I thought that Donald
thought that she was kidding. And that's why I was like,
oh wait, I didn't think she's kidding because she's like,
she has all her witch gear behind her. I didn't
think she would of like frontline work and nursing and dating,
and then all of a sudden it's so Also, yeah,
I'm a witch, and so your book is about the

(01:28:05):
book is a sexy book about a nurse vampire. I
mean that woman in America. I'll doorly Lina, thank you. Yeah, yeah,
you should go on that pitch that pitch thing. What's
the pitch thing on Twitter? Joel pitch thing on Twitter?
Do you know what I'm talking about? I thought you
might know about it. It's like when writers pitch their
ideas and they they like it's like, um, they they

(01:28:29):
put out like a byline or not a byline. They
put out like a one sentence thing about what the
plot of their thing is, and then they hope that
publishers or agents um respond to them. Do you know
what I'm talking about? Yes, they do. It's called a
Twitter pitch. It's sometimes they're by different publishing companies. This
is according to Google. UM sometimes just sort of ramped
up where people are like, hey, just go for it.
I guess agents do it sometimes too, but it's sort

(01:28:51):
of it's called like pitch mod or something. I don't know.
There's like there's days where it's like, hey, everybody, it's
pitch mod and I'll be pitching my new book and anyway,
I digress. Um, So Donald, what's up? Brother? We should? Um?
We have a surprise for everybody, and that is that
when we're done with our show, Joshua Raden is gonna
sing and perform Winter Live for all of you, which

(01:29:14):
is a pretty nice treat. Donald, don't you think you know?
I was hoping for a concert the whole episode. I
thought that's what we were gonna do. I didn't realize
we were gonna, you know, talk about the show, and
I didn't think Lena was going to be that interesting,
to be honest with you. But you know, okay, she
she spoke my language obviously. Yeah, I think it's only

(01:29:38):
right that if we have Josh on the show, of course,
that we ask him he could say, he could decline,
he could say no, I wouldn't have had him on.
I just want to go through a couple more things
I love in the show before Josh sing gay Chicken
along Gay Chicken was funny. You and I used to
actually play gay chicken. Yeah. I uh, that's a that's
a tough one to win, you know what I mean?

(01:29:59):
That always winds that one. Well, I'm willing, I'm willing
to kiss you because you're willing to make out. If
you're willing to make out, if you're willing to make out,
then you're always the winner. I wanted to say. Leonard
playing playing gin and smoking a cigarette in the hospital
using his claw hand I thought was funny. I think
it's hilarious that JD slept with both Sullivan sisters. Right,

(01:30:22):
I've had sex with both Sullivan sisters, Um, I laughed.
I mean shower shorts. Did you think that shower shorts
was in this episode? I didn't. I didn't know it
was in there. And also this went on into a
different television show didn't. It didn't. It's become your Arrested
Development character. Didn't your arrested No no no, because in
Arrested Development they have a running them where never nude.

(01:30:44):
David Cross is a never knude. He's never naked. He
wears jean shorts underneath all his clothes. Josh Raiden loves
that show and I was lucky enough to be on
that show as a fellow never nude. So yes, I
guess that's that's wise that you're saying there is overlap
and that both JD and my character and Arrest of
Development do not shower fully nude. You're a fucking never nude.

(01:31:06):
That ship was hilarious. Portion Rossi goes, you're a fucking
never nude. Yeah, it was so funny. I got to
be an ever nude. Um and um shower shorts for
the man who has nothing to hide but still wants
to That is one of the funniest jokes. And it's

(01:31:27):
got a wallet, It's got a shower short. That's had
me rolling the shower shorts with the with the wallet
that zips back. And when he pulls it and it
zips back, where does it smack him? That's what I
want to know as no in the ass, I do
a little jump. Okay um and your male talking, Your

(01:31:51):
male talking is hilarious. Dude, your mole, your mold, what
does it say? It says, um that you know that's
my voice. And I actually did the puppet for that too,
for the mole. As we operated the puppet, I operated
the puppet for the mold. The mold was my voice
and my hand in the mold. Well, the mall was

(01:32:11):
very funny. I don't know why the mall wasn't a
recurring character that I would have thought the mole would
have come back, but I guess not. I don't know
why Bill didn't ever bring the moll back, but that
was great. Elliot's Bunyan at the end when the doctor
sees and the nurse passes out, you know whenever these

(01:32:33):
whenever a nurse is like a not a normal one
of the regular like background nurses, and you just know
she's going to be a stunt woman, because I was like, oh,
I don't recognize that woman. And then all of a
sudden she took a big fall when she fainted it
and I was like, oh, she must have been a
stunt woman. That was funny. That was very funny. She
must have been a stunt woman because it was a
perfect fall too. Um. Yeah, and then the word was peons.

(01:32:53):
We should talk about this the whole show before Ted
the lawyer has lost one of his band members, is
threatening to quit, and the show opens up even with it,
You'll always be a worthless peon. You're nothing more than
a worthless peon. And then he turns to you know.
After Ted hangs up, the pony turns to Kelso and

(01:33:15):
he goes, doctor Kelso, my band, the Worthless Peons has
just lost a member. I think this must be the
moment that we learned the name of the band the word. Yeah,
it is because they are all worthless peons. I mean
that's how they all work at the hospital and feel
like they're they're peons to everybody. Yeah. And then also

(01:33:37):
Carla talking about how she's a candy bar. The Espinoza
is a candy bar, and then Ted asks her does
the Espinoza have nugata in the middle. Yeah, that was funny.
I thought I thought he was doing that like as
a sexual thing, like trying to be like trying to flirt. No,

(01:33:58):
he just like no, I think he's trying to flirt.
I think it's a flirty flirt. Let's let's get to
the cemetery where it all goes down. Eighteen forty nine
is when we see the first shot of the cemetery.
And you know, this has been like the most common
meme that's ever been sent to me. Though, where do
you think we are? A moment that happens at nineteen
thirty five, I got goosebumps. I have to say when

(01:34:21):
when it happened, even though I knew it was coming.
It's just a really cool sixth sense reveal. Yeah, and
well acted by John C McGinley. Also, yes, and the
whole episode well, yeah, Zach, absolutely absolutely, you know what.
I know you need it so absolutely I don't need it.
It's not about me. Johnny's incredible in this episode, and

(01:34:43):
especially at the end when he's crying, it's very moving.
He's very good at it. And and watching them all
sit Jordan, Danny and Johnny's sitting watching the funeral as
he's you know, lowered into the ground and everything like that,
I was wondering, who's going to be the one that,

(01:35:05):
you know, because you forget these things, who's the one
like I was wondering, does Danny lean on Jordan? Is
Jordan's gonna lean on Cox's Cox? You know, how does this?
How does this end? Because there needs to be a
moment that you know, this family can you know, grieve together,
because we're not really you don't really see it. You
just see, you know, And this is a very strong

(01:35:27):
and stone wall fan Like these guys are very mean
to each other. And I was like, where's the break?
Who's gonna break? And when Jordan grabs Cox, that's the
first one. But then when jd puts his hand on
Cox and he's willing to ast, He's willing, and he's
willing to receive the love from well he's gonna receive

(01:35:48):
it from Jordan, but to receive it from his from
his colleague, from his work buddy. Very powerful moment. Yeah,
it's very moving. And Jordan's character isn't someone who's going
to emote, and sob and Johnny sees you thinking isn't either,
but he just finally lets go and she looks over
at him, and it's very moving. It's beautifully done. I'm

(01:36:09):
so we're very blessed and lucky to have the Josh
here who's going to sing live for you and Josh,
are you ready? Is everything tuned? Is the capo set?
I know all the lingo. Well, I just want to
say one last thing before we get into the raiding situation.
Josh Man, I didn't get to finish this earlier. I
remember watching you in Hotel Cafe me Manny Moore, Mega Kelly,

(01:36:34):
and Zach Braft, the only people in the place, us
and the bartender and you and the sound guy. That's
it flash cut to you at the Troopadore the first
time you played at the Troopadoor Fire one of the
best moments of my life to this day, to be
able to say, to be able to say I knew

(01:36:56):
you when this was freaking a whimsical idea and now
look at you now. It's it's always it always makes
me smile to walk into an auditorium and hear you perform,
and then not only that, to watch the people listening
to you, like I've seen a thugged out dude, like

(01:37:16):
somebody that looks like the dude that's on the skateboard
with the um with the with the ocean Spraye, seen
somebody like that at your concert doing exactly what he's
doing to the Stevie Nick song, singing and along to
the Fleetwood Max song. I've seen that, I've seen I've
seen you touch people like that, and it's just so
powerful to see. So without any further to do, y'all,
I've said enough, Joshua. All right, here's josh Raiden with

(01:37:39):
with Winter, the first song he ever wrote. I know
who I am, I know I walk the record stands

(01:38:03):
somehow thinking of Unter your name is the splendor inside me.
While I'm wait, I remember the sound of your November Downtown,

(01:38:33):
and I remember the truth. I won't December, will you?
But I don't have to make this mistake, and I
don't have to stay this way. If only I wade

(01:38:56):
walk as sob and clear by now. Your voice it's
all I hear somehow you're calling out Winter. Your voice
is the splendor inside me while I wait, and I

(01:39:24):
remember the sound. If you want November downtown, I remember
the truth. I want December with you. But I don't
have to make this mistake, and I don't have to

(01:39:51):
stay this way. If only I I could have lost
myself in rough blue waters in your eyes and I
miss you still. I remember the sound off your November downtown.

(01:40:25):
I remember the truth. I wanted December with you. But
I don't have to make this mistake and I don't
have to stay this way. If only I waited. M Yeah, wow, wow,

(01:41:00):
that's so beautiful. Josh. Thank you. When I hear that song,
I go, I can't believe I know the guy who
who wrote and things that. It's just such beautiful poetry.
Thank you so much. It's very kind and uh, thank
you for starting my career. Well, I I if it
wasn't me, it would have been somebody else. Um. Well,

(01:41:23):
but you never know. Um. Josh, remind people how if
they want to do this, um this thing, they can
book you uh to play to my website Joshua Raiden
dot com R A D I N and you'll see
it right there. It's very simple. I change the website
so it's very simple. It's it's top Joshua Raidin dot
Topeka Live. You'll see the link. You'll see all the

(01:41:43):
options and which the money goes to. But you can
have Josh play for your loved ones maybe even maybe
even um you know, this as a holiday gift for
someone and back when the world reopens and concerts everything again,
make sure to go see Josh um play live. He
travels all over the world. Um, it's very popular in Europe, right, Josh,

(01:42:04):
Josh is like um, Bruce Springsteen and Sweden. Not very
popularly of Sweden. No, I have a small cult following
group of people who know my songs from medical shows.
But that's fair. No, And and Josh, that's that's that
you're you're exactly you're you're you're what are you being here?
Just being dismissive of yourself? You're being self deprecating, Josh Donald,

(01:42:26):
you're still here with us? Well I'm here though. Can
we can we just have Donald admit to everyone that
I did not mess up my own song? Okay? Fine?
Is that is that what you're waiting for? Yeah, it's anyways,
we came on the podcast. Look all right, So here's
the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Remind you
were mess you did? Mind listeners, what was said? I
said that he blew, he messed up his own song.

(01:42:47):
We didn't mess up his own song. You messed it
up by not singing the whole song straight through, like
you forgot some words here. I didn't forget anyone. This
is the thing. I will say this, sirs, say that
has happened. And I'm listening you. You've been talking all day, Okay,

(01:43:09):
go ahead, let him have his moment. I'm running the
stairs when the podcast started listening to this thing, and
all of a sudden, you start talking about me and
how you asked me to play your for your in
Casey's first dance at your wedding, and you asked for
one of my songs and it was you asked for
the song Paperweight, which at the time, UM, I went
for about eight years or something without playing that song live.
It was too painful. I wrote it with my X

(01:43:30):
and when we split up, I just decided I didn't
want to play anymore. Now I played It's been whatever
it's been time. Have you has played it together yet? No? No,
we haven't seen. We haven't hung out in years and years.
I would love to see that. Oh we should get
down on the show Dome. That would be dope, but
I would for sure either way. What I'm saying is,
you asked me to play a song of mine called
they Bring Me to You, and so I did. But

(01:43:51):
the live version of that song, it's a different version
than the recording. Oh, I know because you have a
female singing with you and it's just so much different production.
But when you play solo acoustic life, so you have
to remember. I'm running the stairs listening to your podcast
and I hear you do your Oprah voice. Of like,
then he fucked up his own song, and I'm like,
I spit out my water. I started laughing. So and

(01:44:15):
then of course I texted you right afterwards. I'm like,
what are you talking about it? Right away? You were like,
first of all, I did not fuck up. I just
want the audience to know that. Donald asked Josh to
sing him and his wife's first song in his wedding
and then made fun of him on front of thousands
of people because he didn't like the version. Josh sang,
it's me, It's me, all right, we've gone two hours.

(01:44:37):
Don't know. We don't entertain you. I know, right, I
just but ye that being said, But I do love
and I love you too, that being said, though. Man.
At my wedding, when we were sitting up in Zach's
house getting ready myself, Josh and zach Um, Josh sits
down and he starts strumming on the guitar and just

(01:45:00):
start singing, and he writes a song at my wedding,
and I then hear the song maybe like a year
later on a plane ride to New York, and I
remember hitting him up and being like, dude, that song
you wrote at my wedding is playing on the plane
and it's the one where it's like it's a wedding,
it's a freaking love song, man, And I can't remember,

(01:45:23):
but it's like, if you go something like, I'll find
you something. Come on, I haven't played that song and forever.
You wrote that at my wedding, and so I have
to find it now so that Daniel could play it
out if you laid it down, josh right. It's available
to an album called of mine called Waxwings. Daniel, It's

(01:45:45):
on Waxwings. Thank you everybody. The onesies Joel told me
are are restocked on twelve eighteen, if you want to
give the love of me and Donald on your body,
and thank you to Daniel, Joelle, Lena, our guests. And
here is Joshua Raden with the song Donald, just beautifully.

(01:46:08):
What's the call? When we're together? When we're together, y'all,
bae Angsky of the water Fire at Nights no pleasure
without sacrifice. Shore and the ocean, the moon sun, one
way without the other hand boat done. Now, I believe

(01:46:31):
you what's supposed to be supposed to be you and
me ah you forever because we are the best. Gather
ah with you forever. You are the old one, and

(01:46:54):
we've just been done. Let the waiting new lotion fall
on my shore. Your glass is empty, porson more. I
left the table lack of news any time to search

(01:47:20):
for you. Now, I believe you what's supposed to be
supposed to be you and me I with you forever
because we're the best. Wegether, I with you forever. You

(01:47:44):
are the only one, and we've just been gone that
a mountains to reach to the sky, that kind to find.
If you forget, I'll do my best to try to

(01:48:07):
remind you, with you forever, because we are the best
when we're together to get forever. You ade on Mone
and we've just begun with you forever, with you forever

(01:48:45):
you are on Mone, and we've just begun