August 20, 2024 75 mins

Tony Hale went from weird guy on the commercials to co-lead in Arrested Development to starring in Veep, arguably one of the most influential comedies of the past decade. Along the way, he's been learning to conquer his fear, something Inside Out 2 helped him immensely. Now, he's got a new show about the pandemic, not Covid, but the plague. The Decameron is out on Netflix now.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Listen, my shirt doesn't pink, it's red like Zach Braff's body.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Holy, I know I made a bad decision, audience, right
before we make.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
A bad decision.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
This was like a freaking this was this was this
is involved, This is like, this is bad.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
This is worse than bad.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's not, it's not. I don't need to go to
the hospital. But I definitely didn't put it in.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
The sweats tonight, Bro, you gotta.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Be I'm gonna put some alavera on my chest.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'm allergic to I can't do that.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Why why can't you do alivera because.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm allergic to it? That ship breaks me out.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Donald, This is me and who's filling in for Daniel today?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Mea three blacks against one white? We went.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Why why is it? Why is it to be about that? Donald? Well,
just so y'all don't In case you don't know, this
is what sunburn is.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Mmmm oh yeah it does. Listen, Black people get sunburnt too.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
You notice we do.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
We do really well, maybe very anybody. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
You get something that y'all motherfuckers don't get. It's the worst.
It's called heat rash.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Oh my gosh, I've seen you get red actually on
holiday together red.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
But we get heat rash too.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I have a question, and this is naive, but do
do black people need to be as conscious about wearing
sun block?

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yes? Where sunblock?

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Hell?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, man, that should have killed us.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Now, sun block that very specifically four black.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Skin everybody, because I don't know that's the subject.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Bro, black people out there who feel like I don't
need sun block. I'm black. My melanie is gonna protect me.
It'll protect you from burning, but it ain't gonna protect
you from that cancer.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Get you that sun block on youall for real?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well don't Well, what are your thoughts on this topic?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Skin cancer prevalent in the black community? Wear sunscreen? There's
also a ton of really great sunscreen that works for
black skins. So you have that like white ghostly cast
over your skin.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, I feel more protected with that. I feel like
that chalk shit protects you more than that other ship. Like,
straight up, it sounds horrible, it sounds white. It's sound
like a nigga want to be white now, But for real,
I feel like that chalk shit do.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Protect you a little bit better because the chalk.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
But you don't need to have the white stuff on
your face. I don't I don't use that stuff. I
just use regular SPF. Dan couldn't make it today, audience, Joelle,
how have you been?

Speaker 4 (02:36):
I think, man, great, really kick it loving this summer.
I see Megan. I think you're talking about that last time.
But she's shaking buttling great. And I got tickets to
see Usher Halloween with my mom. You're really excited about
so living it up, limit it up. You were just
on vacation Reasa.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I was in mom talk for a while. Yeah, and
it's so it was so beautiful at a good time.
Was brought a bunch of friends, including Sarah Chalk, who
was always full.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
On vacation.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Vacation.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
She's just so silly.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
It's just a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
It's like having a gesture.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh, I don't know about it. She's not a fool.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, I think she's a little bit of a fool.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Did you come back with any great Sarah stories to
share with us?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Anything?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
I can't tell somebody.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
No, I won't tell anything private, but I will tell
you that, like, yeah, there's definitely several times where she
got something caught in her throat and we were like,
what is She's like there's something in my throat and
we all start getting nervous and then we're like, there's
nothing in your throat. Just swallow, have some water, and
like in fact, like something really weird, like like you
know how they put like flower like flowers as on

(03:48):
food like that you're at her edible, like a tiny
tiny stem got caught like in a visible part of
her throat and she's like, I can't get it dislodged
and uh. And someone was like, someone was like, go
get Tweezers, and she was like, oh, and so someone went,
god Tweezers. And then people were holding up their iPhones
and then someone went in and they plucked out the

(04:09):
little stem that was like just sitting behind next to
her lap. Every time, everything, without fail, without fail, everything
happens with Sarah.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
You know, a lot of people believe that some of
these stories are made up, because you know, every time
you talk to her, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
So this is what happened.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
I was in the restroom and all of a sudden,
an alligator came out of a baby alligator came out
of the toilet hole. You're not going to be almost
bit me on my cuckoo. I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
It's the police in Vancouver. The Mounties say, it's never
happened before.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Alligators in the winter.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
What Another thing I realized about Sarah is that she
has this bit of a tick that she does where
she goes into whisper mode. Even if you're sitting alone
in a big house in a living room and no
one's there and you're like, you ask her some question,
like oh, whatever happened with that story you told me?
And even if it's not even if it's not a secret,
but if let's say it's mildly serious, she just whispers.

(05:09):
She switches to whisper mode. She's like, oh, so I
didn't tell you what happened with John and Sarah. We
are in mom talk in that house, like no one
can hear us, and even the people that are here
don't know the story, Like there's no need for you
to be whispering. But even after I called around and
jokes about it, she did it like ten more times.

(05:31):
It's just even if you like, if it's not silly silly,
she's loud and she's being stupid and she's being like
crazy Sarah. The second you're like, oh wait, I think
I burned my chest. She goes, Oh, did I ever
tell you that mine sister once burned her chest so bad? Like?
Why the fuck you whispering?

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Wait, you guysn't seen Johnny SE's new podcast yet.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Johnny Seeds killing it.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
I know it's I know we did. Nobody talked to
us about him.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
I know we got it.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
We got listening. I got to give a shout. Joelle
remind me, we got to talk to will about folding
Johnny c into the iHeart family, because I want to
thank you Joel for reminding me to give a shout out. JOHNNYE.
McGinley just kind of went rogue on his own. I'd
meant rogue meaning not affiliated with any companies. I understand
and start. He knows so many smart, amazing, creative people.

(06:30):
I imagine he got inspired by us. I would assume
I have no idea, but he started interviewing some of
his friends and he's getting these huge guests. He just
did a Peter Berg, you know, meg major filmmaker. He
did Eric Wagozian, a wonderful actor writer, and he's obviously
wonderful about it. And they talk about the craft of acting.
It's called connective tissue for those of you who want

(06:50):
to check it out. I want to give Johnny a
shout out, but but also I feel like Joel, we
should talk to Will about bringing him into the iHeart family.
He's really he made something amazing.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
It's amazing. I'm obsessed with Eric be Gosi and I've
been watching an interview with a vampire obsessively lately. Eric
plays a reporter on that. He's brilliant, and so that's
kind of how I stumbled into the show. And yeah,
Johnny se some incredible host. Does you know he would be?
He's such a lovely guest every time he's on our show,
so I'm not not too surprised.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
But he's also Johnny and Donald can speak to this.
Johnny is so genuinely interested in people, like he's not.
He's the you know these people that are like, how
are you doing?

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Greg, Greg? Greg, He's the polar opposite. He's like, he
won't sit there and interview.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
You listen too. Like that's the great thing about him.
It's like you can tell he's listening his faces. You know,
you can tell when somebody's not listening to you and
when they're trying to get to the next conversation.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
He is listening every time.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
It could be a party filled with a bunch of
people and you and him, and he's he's.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Locked in on you. Yeah, the whole Christmas birthday party,
Christian Miller's birth part. I didn't se josh Raden the
whole party. I still had the best time. You and
I were dancing. We had the best time. At the
end of the party, like the night's ending, I see Joshua,
where were you? Was like, Oh, I was just in
the corner talking to Johnny. See you said the best.
I'm like, talk to Johnny c. Johnny just locked him
in and like Johnny Seed loves rating. But they he

(08:14):
locked him in and they were like in this intense
conversation the whole time. So anyway, check out connected tissue anyone, Donald,
How are you? You had a big birthday?

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I did. I turned fifty. I'm a grown man. Uh
and all of a sudden shit started going wrong. I
got to get my blood pressure down. Exercising is a must.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, well you knew that. You knew. Did a doctor
call you out on your blood pressure?

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yes? I played golf yesterday. I would over five miles.
Let me tell you something right now in my hands. Listen,
I was killing Listen, this is how you know you're
out of shape. People will be people be like, but
golf isn't really that fucking much of an athletic sport, motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
I walked over five miles yesterday.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Did you carry the bag though?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
And I know I pushed it in a cart and
pulled it in a cart, which is heavy. I'm saying,
bowing man, that shit is not no right. So the
first half I was killing it. First nine holes. Donald
Fason was I haven't played in two years. My player's
card said, so two years was the last time I played.

(09:18):
First half of golf. First half of around first nine holes,
I was doing pretty good. I was on target to
be in the seventies. Second half, that shit got long,
that course got and my body could not keep up.
I was literally pouting while playing golf, like, fuck.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, we got enough hole, then you got all upset.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I didn't get I tried. I kept saying to myself,
stay in the game. You can be angry about the conditions,
and you can be angry about all of this other stuff,
but try and stay in the game. And that was
still hard to do because my body started to fail.
I couldn't get my hips around fast enough. So now
my hands were moving too fast for your hips, lying everything.
My hips were totally lying, totally lying.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
I'm glad that you are playing golf. I'm glad you're exercising,
because that's important to me that you stay alive. I
went and had a I had to have a CT
scan in my heart today.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
My heart's amazing. I gotta tell you this is when
they put they put contrast into your veins. When you
get to be our age. Doctor wants to have a
CT scan of your heart. And also my father had
stants and stuff, so I need to just check check
out whether there's any blockage, and I can show you
a picture. You want to see a picture. This is amazing.

(10:43):
I asked the doctor if I could take a picture.
This is just one of the angle. That's my actual heart.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
WHOA, that's crazy, that crazy. Wow, it's surreal.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
It was. It was really cool, And I just wanted
to say one thing, since we are fake doctor's real friends.
If you're a if you're a smoker, you might need
to hear this. I realize I've been doing all these
tests just because I'm going to turn I'm forty nine.
I'm on the cusp of turning fifty. Getting every test
you can get done and every single questionnaire every single

(11:15):
doctor without fail. I always noted it all starts with
do you smoke?

Speaker 1 (11:20):
You know?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I know, and I'm thinking about you smoker. Someoney out
there listening needs to hear this today. There's a reason
why every single doctor, in every single form starts out
with do you smoke? So stop smoking? Because that's the
first question they all want to know.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, you know what, you're right, And with my with
my high blood pressure, that was the first question they asked,
you smoke?

Speaker 4 (11:43):
You weed?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, Well I'm not sure about I mean, I'm just
always feel I always feel very proud and smug to
write never smoked.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
You're a little bit like that man, because you're a
little bit like Okay, gets up in here before we
get up in there.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, Joelle, have you been watching a Yeah?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Do you like it?

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Do you like it?

Speaker 4 (12:12):
I like many parts of it. They gave me a
sexy to sith, so I can't complain. There are a
hell of black women want to give it. An outstanding
performance of her career is so beautiful.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
It looks good.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Listen, No, listen, it looks good. It's it's what's frustrating
about it is I see all of the potential in
it and it didn't quite hit it, and that is frustrating.
I hope the season two can get to do better
because Leslie headlind is an incredible writer and showrunner. I'm
not sure what happened. I was a budget issuer or
what went sideways. I'm hoping they can't get a best.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
So much wrong but that there's so much good and
there's so much wrong with the show man deep there's
so much good, There's so much good, but there's so
much wrong. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Like, you're watching House of the Dragon.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
No, yeah, oh, hell deep In.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
And you're watching Us to the Dragon.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
I haven't seen Game Thrones, so I'm I've got to
get to that first.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Oh yeah on your list?

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Okay, thank you?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
What are you watching? What are the kids your age watching? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
What is the twenty five year olds watching?

Speaker 5 (13:14):
I haven't been watching any series. I go to the
movies a lot.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
I go to the theater a lot.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
What's the last movie you saw that you liked?

Speaker 4 (13:20):
I liked Long legs.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Oh hell yeah, that's horror.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Right, yeah, that's horror.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yeah, Nicholas Cage.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Did you Okay, all right, thank you, miam. All right, Joelle.
House of Dragons.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Stunning, stunning.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Not only is it amazing, but there's this companion behind
the scenes series. Are you watching that?

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, all of it, all the aspects
of After.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Each episode, they do a twenty minute thing on how
they made it. It's incredible.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
My kids and I are watching Stranger Things.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Strangers that's a lovely watch with the children.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
That's nice.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Well not season four.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Why they scaring them?

Speaker 1 (13:57):
They saw that motherfucker Vicram whatever his name is, and
they got that ship that was the fucking Demi Gordon,
all of that stuff. None of that really scared them.
But then they saw that motherfucker Victrum is that his name, Victim.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Like that whatever it is, that was a rap.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Stranger Things season four took a pause.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
They were like, they said, we'll be back when we're
a little older. They got time.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Okay, So look, I feel like there's too much Star Wars.
I'm gonna be honest with you. WHOA, I feel like
I love it.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Still, That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I kind of feel like there's too much right now.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
You're just realizing that.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Well, I mean, too much is the troblem.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
It worked for Marvel, like Marvel had a lot going on,
and now we're sideways.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Like if I like raspberries, yeah, and I have raspberry jam,
and I have raspberries on my cereal, and I have
raspberry sun and I have a raspberry taste in my
sparkling water. At a certain point, I'm gonna be sick
of raspberries.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
I don't know, man, I don't know that's totally fair
in a butter cups, you know what I mean, You're
still like there's certain things that.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
I'm saying you're saturated. You as a consumer oversaturated.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
I disagree, home boy. I don't think Star Wars is
that not overset.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
But I don't think I'm I don't think.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I don't think I'm oversaturated with Star Wars like I don't.
I mean, I think there's too much Star Wars storytelling
right now. I don't. It's hard to explain because my
life is Star Wars. Look at my background Star Wars.
I adamate Star Wars. So I don't think there's too
much Star Wars. But there's too much Star Wars, you
know what I mean, Like it's just like Star Wars total.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
And that's the problem, Like there's not enough Star Wars
that is working currently, and that's really the problem. I
feel like with if two shows this year, maybe we
don't even know if we're gonna get the No. Three
potentially three, if they decided to release a skeleton crew
at the end of the year. I think I would
love for them to do a pause like they did

(16:08):
on the movies with the TV shows and be like,
what was really making and Or and I think it's
two of the Mandalorian work.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
You hit on the heil, the nail on the head drawl.
I think and Or fucked everything up because.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
It really did.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I know. Rogue one is the beginning of it. Rogue
one was the beginning of it because it got a
little bit, it got a little bit more gritty in
Rogue one, and then and Or fucking shot everything down.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
And Or.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
So I'm watching House House of Dragons, and I know
that that Star Wars needs to be family friendly, I'm told,
But the level of production, the level of filmmaking, design sets, costumes,
script acting, oh my god, if it you know if
Star Wars could be on that level like I think

(16:56):
and Or was, But I mean, you'd have a new
fan in me. This gentleman that we are lucky enough
to have on the show is someone I've always found hilarious.
So I'm very excited to have Tony Hale on the
show today. Donald, do you know this little bit of
trivia that Joelle gave us in our notes that I'm
sure you didn't read that he was in a live

(17:18):
stage reading of Star Wars The Phantom Menace and he
played Qui gone gin.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Qui gon jin qui, gon jin qi gone?

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, Qui gone gin.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Well, we will have to discuss that with him.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, maybe he's a Star Wars head like you if
he's doing live readings.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I mean either that or he was trying to get
into a Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, like you did you know that he played Did
you know that he is Chucky's dad on Rugrats the original?

Speaker 4 (17:45):
No, in the remake from twenty twenty one going forward, though,
which is really cool.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
I think, Yeah, yeah, I audition for that. I didn't
get it, So I did you really that? I'm going
to have to call my mom and tell my mom
it's not going to happen. You did an audition for that,
do you remember that it's not going to happen?

Speaker 6 (18:03):
Mom?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Oh, my parents. My dad was the worst. He'd be like,
whatever happened with that thing? And you have to be like, Dad,
I auditioned for that like four months ago. I promise you.
I promise you. And then a lot of people out
there listening know how your parents can be whether even
if you're not an actor, it's your job. They're like,
whatever happened to that thing? And I'm like, I promise you.
You will be the first person I call when there's

(18:25):
good news. Literally literally, I will get the good news.
I will hang up and call it.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
That's what happened with Scrubs. I literally called you ten
seconds after I talked to Bill Laurence. So every time
my dad would be like oh oh, and then he
would literally go ah, disappointed, And I'm like, you're disappointed.
I'm disappointed. I'm disabouting. Now I have to go because
I've got four tables set and I don't even think
I put the absent on table four. I'm disappointed. Yeah, Dad,

(18:57):
I'm disappointed too. I told you what he said. We
saw Titanic right, we went to ze Titanic together. I
told this, sorry, no, we come out of Titanic and
I've got like swiping away tears and we're all just
so blown away by how incredible the movie was in
the theater and and there's got a long pause and
my dad goes, huh that Leo, he's about your age, isn't.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
He Jesus Christ? Oh yeah, it's like that line from
Fleabag and what had Jesus done by thirty three?

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Man? I was like, yeah, Dad, yeah, same h. You
gotta get home and charge the Walkies for tomorrow's music video.
Oh my gosh, all right, let's let let's bring in
the legendary Tony Hale kind of stories.

Speaker 7 (19:47):
I'm not sure we made about a bunch of he
said he's a story.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Hi, Tony.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
I was thrown with a no zoom. I didn't know
what was happening.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
We want to fancy, we have a fancier thing now
because we want to have a beautiful four K image
of your face.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
And they can they can get it on this.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
That's really nice, guys. I'm a fan of both hosts,
not just one.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
We are a fan of you. Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
And Tony. That's our producer Joel and our engineer Mia.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
Hi, guys, I'm sorry for the delay and my tech,
my tech, my handicap of technology.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
No, it's fine. We're so happy you're here.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Man.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
We are major fans of yours and we're very geekd
to have you on the show. Yes, yes, you know
you and sitting and I was sitting thinking about Tony
Hale before I came on the show, and don't you
I was trying to think of actors who have achieved
the very rare feat of going from one hit comedy

(21:08):
directly into another hit coming into another, like do you know,
are you guys in a secret club?

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (21:14):
It's so weird. Do you ask? I can't talk about it. No,
I I was thinking the other day somebody asked me, like, Tony,
you know, your career made such great choices, And I
thought when I started out, I wasn't in a place
to make choices. I was just so grateful for a gig,
you know, and then just you know, by God's grace,
then Veep came along and they wanted me, you know,

(21:35):
I was like just so thankful to be there. So
I don't know how it happened just to be on
these grades.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
So you look at so you look at do you
look at Veep as the ultimate success? So I look
at it like this mel Brooks put out young Frankenstein
and so good and blazing saddles back to back. Right,
that's a feat that when it comes to comedy. I'm sorry,

(22:01):
I don't know who.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
There are very.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Few actors out there that can go from a show
like Arrested.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Development YEP to Veep's. That's like unheard of.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I was trying to think of anybody else who's done it.
I gave I gave myself Kelsey Grammar, but it's a
little bit cheating going from Cheers to Fraser's a little bit.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Cheating spin off.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Then I want to shout out Neil Flynn, who did
go from Scrubs to the Middle at all. But Tony,
I just think that Arrested to Veep is pretty major.
I mean they were both pivotal, pivotal, beloved mega comedies.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yeah, I am like, you're still just so grateful. I mean,
keep in mind, like there was about five, five or
six years between them where there were times when I
was like, as my wife, I was like, are we
gonna have to sell our house. So it's you know,
it's they didn't happen right after. But I don't know, man,
I'm just so grateful because you know, I mean, we've

(23:01):
all done gigs that were not necessarily huge fans of
the writing. You know, you do something and you're obviously
we're always grateful for work, but sometimes you're doing something
you're like, oh, I wouldn't do it this way. But
I'm just, you know, keep thankful for the job to
be a part of something that I found funny. Yeah,
you know, like into and you guys know, like what's
so great for a comic actor is the element of

(23:22):
surprise where it's like you're reading it and all this
all of a sudden arrested developments, like you know, by
the way a seal's going to eat your hand, you know,
and you're like, sorry, that was not in the framework
at all.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
I love that show so much, dude. I I was
on it.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
I was, and you were on the gag reel, which
I've watched over and over and over. Do you know
what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (23:43):
You know, but I would love to see it.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
Oh, dude, I'll send it. I'll send it to you
if you get your personal information. That's why I just
want to get your person.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
It's four two four public. But I but I got
to tell you, I was so honored to be on
the show, and I I just wanted to be a
part of that universe because I was so crazy. But
tell us a little about getting it, because I think
our audience likes to hear these stories. Donald and I
have shared our stories on Scrubs. But did you feel

(24:11):
that it just fit you like a glove? Because for me,
I auditioned for so many things and didn't get anywhere,
and then when I read Scrubs, I was like, oh,
I genuinely find this hilarious. I bet I'm going to
be able to do a much better audition. Was that
a similar thing for you?

Speaker 1 (24:26):
We heard? But before you can do and also speak
on if you will, it's a place double question speak
on to four years in between and like what that's
like because when I started off, I got clueless and
I thought that's it. I'm off and we're fire and
here we go. And it took years until Scrubs came
along again.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Totally. I am so getting it well, I had been.
I don't know if you guys have lived in New York.
I was in New York for about six or seven
years doing commercials, and I mean before that, I was
doing like every job under the sun, just to make
ends meet. But then when commercials came around, I was
kind of I was kind of typecast as the guy
who's not all there. And I just started getting these
commercials of like just the guy wide eyed and like

(25:04):
what you know, just that kind of guy. Yeah, and
having a great time. I met my wife in New York,
just so thankful to be working. And then a commercial
casting director. Well, let me say this, it took me
like six years to find a manager and an agent
to send me out for a TV and film because
they just saw me as a commercial actor. And so
finally when I got someone to kind of see me
beyond that. Then Marcia de Bonis, who was cast commercials,

(25:27):
she was casting arrested development, and since I was kind
of in this maybe type, she was like, huh, buster
is not all there? Let me just bring in Tony,
And you know, I went in and I just remember
at the time, Christopher Guest movies were really like waiting
for Guffman to just come out, and just like really
kind of out of the box. And I remember reading

(25:48):
this and thinking, God, this is so different because typically
before this with comedy, people weren't really you were really
thinking about it. Like on a drama, you really take
the time to like, oy, so what is that mean?
And who's this person? And you really happened to think.
With comedy people just kind of liked it washing over
you. You didn't really want to take the time. It wasn't
really dense material, whereas Arrested it was so dense. There

(26:10):
were so many jokes, there were so many callbacks, like
Tobias joined the Blue Man group because he thought I
was a support group for to press men, you know,
and it was like it was like all these levels,
you know, and like I was had massive motherish, I mean,
all this kind of stuff, and so I was like, God,
this is so intense. I'm surprisedly when this gets made.
And so finally I got cast, which was completely blew

(26:33):
my mind. I remember when I got casts weird. We
immediately shot the pilot when I was out there, and
I remember my only memory is I had to run
to Old Knavy because I ran out of underwear because
I hadn't packed enough underwear, like to like finish shooting
the show, and so I did that and then came
back and I was like, I get that was a
great experience. And then ten days before I got married,

(26:53):
the show got picked up and I was like, honey,
I think, I think we're moving to LA and I
just kind of and it was, you know, it's one
of those things. And I talk about this a lot,
and I apologize if people have heard it, but I
was so overwhelmed. I had never been on a studio lot.
I had never had that much, you know, I don't know,
just I didn't I didn't know what a manager was.

(27:13):
I didn't know. I was just so overwhelmed, and I
remember having this moment of oh man, I thought I
would feel differently, you know, because I had given so
much power to I just wanted to sitcom. I just
wanted a sitcom. And those first two years were like
a real awakening of huh this, I've given this a
lot of weight, and nothing can match the weight I've

(27:34):
given it. And so it was it was a kind
of like a two years of feeling kind of what now.
And then after that, you know, I kind of got
into therapy and I realized I haven't been present for
most of my life, you know. I it's that whole
thing if and I've said this, but like, if you're
not practicing contentment where you are, you're not going to

(27:55):
be content when you get what you want. And I
got what I want and I just had not been
practic to seeing being present most.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
I love that so much, you know. And I fell
as somewhere I feel a similar thing, and I think
I related. I I think I continue to relate in
my own life now where I no matter where you are, sorry,
I only should speak for myself. No matter where I am,
I find myself going what's next, what's next?

Speaker 5 (28:17):
What course?

Speaker 2 (28:19):
And I really, like you just said, aspire so much
to be to focus on being the same.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
And it's not even thinking that you're kind of as
in this business and we're all grateful to be in it,
but you get that guys, that question like what's next
for you? What's next for you? And we're kind of
trained to think like that. And you to your question, Donald,
like when it was over, I was like, shit, what
is next? And when nothing came, it was a big lesson.

(28:45):
And this is I love to talk to kind of
acting students, you know, and they always ask about, you know,
how did you do it? And stuff? And I always
love to say, first, hey, if you're getting into this business,
there is so much rejection, invest in your community before
you vest in your career, because it's the community that's
going to give you longevity, because this business sees you

(29:06):
one way, and your friends and your community will see
you beyond how they see you. And that is what
really those five or six years and to this day,
I mean, we're gig the gig. It is my family,
my friends who see me beyond that that really keep
me on it. I mean that's one hundred percent Troo.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I think that all the time. I mean, it's funny
what you were saying about why did you take when
reporters ask you, why did you, you know, take this
route with this role, Like I love that girl, that girl,
young woman, Rachel Zegler. She was on some press line
and they were like, why did you do that? Why
did you why this movie? Rachel? And she was like,
I needed a job. I always feel that way as

(29:45):
an actor, you know, unless it's some little indie you did,
I'm always like because they wanted to hire me.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Exactly. It's Indy, You're like, why did you take it? Well,
first of all, they said, we want you.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
Totally, totally, and I love I love that you guys
have stayed so close because you've just the I think
the power again of the community of it. It's beyond
it's beyond the work. It's the relationships. And you know,
I'm really close and I see the arrested guys every
now and then, but really close with the veep Vat

(30:23):
community like Veep family, and man, that's the stuff that
has carried on. I mean, we're so the show is
so fun, but just laughing about memories and like, oh yeah,
that's just everything.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Some of the best and beyond the scrubs cast that
I'm still we're all still close. I did a play.
I did a Broadway show and I'm some of the
best friends of my life doing that show. Yeah, it's
a long outlasted the six month run we had, and yeah,
what was that?

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Can I ask what was I was in it? I
did a play about three years ago and it really was.
I'm so glad I did it because it got me
past a lot of.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I want to talk about that because I read I
read a little something you had said. Because my brilliant
producer Joelle gave us some homework on you. I wanted
to talk to you about that because I have stage
fright too, and I think a lot of people be
surprised to hear like, oh, you seem like someone who
wouldn't and I was reading that you dealt with it too.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
The person that doesn't have stage fright is Hugh Jackman.
He the only one that is like, God, I'm the
stage here I come. He's the only one.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Do you know why?

Speaker 1 (31:28):
I will keep it one hundred with you. There are
so many actors that don't do theater, really good actors.
You know why, because they're scared.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yes, goodness, truth, I'm very scared, and my fear is
mainly going up on the lines and not knowing where
the hell I am. I did a production of I
never said this to anybody, I don't think, but I
did a production of Romeo and Juliet in regional theater
in Connecticut when I was out of Northwestern, and I
would go early and our dressing room it was an

(31:58):
outdoor production in front of like two twenty five hundred
people in the summer, and if you know the Romeo
and Juliet Romeo starts talking and doesn't really stop that
much for three hours. And I would go early and
sit in this church in the pews and recite every
single one of my lines for the show, because I
was so nervous the concept, the idea that I would

(32:21):
forget the poetry of three hours of poetry. And there
was the only thing I could think to do that
would sue it would be to get there early and
run the whole play before you show. Yeah, but so
speak to your version.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Of My version of that is that I would have
a panic attack on stage. My version was that I
would you know, I was doing it. This play I
did at American Conservatory Theater was a pretty much a
one man play and then an actor comes in toward
like seventy five percent into it, and I thought, oh
this Every night, I was like, this is the night

(32:54):
I'm going to have a panic attack on stage. Because
I had a panic attack when high school. And it's
amazing how things get really locked in. And I had
one in high school, and ever since then it just
had become this you know, almost dark terror. And I
remember going to this therapist and doing I had started
doing cognitive behavioral therapy where you kind of rather than

(33:15):
rather than being such a victim to your thoughts and
your feelings, you're a little more of an observer to
your thoughts and your feelings. And I remember every night
he would say, hey, when you kind of hear those
thoughts or those voices or you have those feelings, turned
to that fear. I remember Bill Hayter said something about
this recently, kind of like this too, but turn to
that fear and say, hey, I appreciate you being here.

(33:36):
I know you're trying to help. I'm going to go
to the play and I'll be back. And it was
the first time because before what I would do is
like Tony, just buck up, almost just try to block
it out. You got this and psych yourself up. And
for me, I'm not saying for anybody else. For me,
it only made it bigger. It only made that anxiety

(33:57):
and fear bigger. And the minute I started kind of
embracing it and not trying to cut it off, it
just it's not like it wasn't there, but I was
more of like, I mean, this kind of relates to
that I just did inside out too, and it's like
a little more like, hey, this emotion is trying is
actually trying to help you, you know, it's it's thinking,
it's helping you, and just kind of have a little

(34:19):
more compassion towards it. And it every night it dissipated it.
I still had those feelings when I was right before,
but I was like, hey, man, I really appreciate it.
I know you're trying to help. I'm gonna go do
it and I'll be back.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
We can have this conversation after, yeah, sure we could.
We could, we could go through this after, but right now,
I need to go and handle this business real quick.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
Yes, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
And also part of it is excitement. I think it's
the adrenaline. It's an adrenaline rush, right totally. So part
of that adrenaline is I'm so excited to go out
there and kick ass, and it isn't And it is
a tightwire act because you know, they might not laugh
at one of the jokes and I need to just
pick up and keep going. There might be I remember

(35:05):
doing bullets were probably there was someone literally asleep in
the front row one night, like you just don't know
what you're gonna see. I never told you that story.
I say out red bull and intermission to the person, Wow.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
You got wow?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I listen. It was so distracting. I think I assume
it was a tourist. I made this up, so I
don't know, but the story I made in my head
was that it was a tourist who had just flown
in and was jet lagged. None of that I don't
have any confirmation about. But but he or she I
forgot was asleep past asleep in the front row and
an intermission, which is very hard because when you're an

(35:42):
actor on stage those of you who aren't stage actors.
Depending on the lighting, but for the most part, I
could say, and doing Broadway, I could only see the
first five or so rose. Everything else is in darkness,
so it's very distracting because it was front and center,
front row. So I said to the one of the
stage managers, I said, will you will you give this
red bull to to that person and and just say like, hey,

(36:06):
here's this is from Zach And it's a little distracting
having you having you sleep in her role. So I
get out there for act too, and it was like
weekend at Bernie's. They had taken you know, these cushions
they have for for like kids, like a booster seat,
and they had wedged them behind and beside the person
and they were sort of propped upward, and they were

(36:30):
and they were holding the red bull but still nacked
f down fast asleep.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Wow. It's also like you want to you kind of
want to get him a gift card to the restaurant
next door. Just be like, hey, man, go and joer
yourself over there, or just.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Or like go lie down.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
You're very Yeah. I got two stories for you, go ahead. One.
I was in the audience when I was on stage. One.
I fell asleep when I was very young, in front
of Jason Robards, and at the end of the play,
he blew a kiss to me, like you mother, good night,

(37:04):
Or at least that's how I looked at it, because to.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
This day you don't know. It might have been his
relative right behind him, right, that.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Might have been his thing.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
But he blew a kiss to the audio, but it
looked like he was looking at me when he blew
that shit.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
Right, YEA.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
One night I was. I feel like I was.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
The cause for why the show didn't go well. I
was doing Picasso at the Lapent Jill at the Old
theater and it's me and Justin Long Lisa Lapiro, who
you just worked with on Inside Out to a bunch
of people. Right. So, anyway, I start the show off

(37:44):
with the joke there's something in the air tonight and
I sneeze, right, Yeah, that starts the show off every night.
It gets a laugh. This night, something got caught in
my throat, but I had to get the sneeze out
and a lot of mucuses came, oh so much so

(38:06):
that the person in the front row. The people in
the front row went ill like it was that bad.
Oh god, I've now look, I've fallen on stage. I've
hurt myself and kept going and people be like, oh wow,
he hurt himself. This was the first time where I
could tell I'm not everybody's out everybody, I have just

(38:29):
ruined the fucking show. Justin comes on stage. He's the
first person on the second person on stage. We have
a conversation. His joke, his first joke, nobody laughs, his
second joke, nobody laughs, My next joke, nobody laughs. We
look at each other and we kind of smirk, like,
oh shit, this is gonna be a long night.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
But it was also one of these one.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Of those motherfuckers, like, who's gonna go big enough to
try and get Are you.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Gonna go big enough to get this last?

Speaker 3 (38:59):
You're gonna I can try and hold it back.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
It was one of the but it started because of
a tickle in the throat that I tried to surpass
and keep going.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Oh man, it was yeah, but it was one.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Of the worst nights.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
But then it becomes a game that it's.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Like now, are like, now, now let's play.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
Let's yeah, yeah, yeah, you know when you guys were talking,
it's I always think like it's all for me. It's
all based in the terror of shame and embarrassment.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
You know.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
It's like, you know, if you forget your lines, if
you spit you know the mucus, if I have a pant,
It's like, what is that going to be like? When
I'm that exposed, when I'm that terrified, you know, And
it's like ever since I was a kid, that's the
base of it.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I once hosted SNL and I was it was like
my dream come true and everyone was like, were you
so nervous? And I said, of course. But I have
to say my biggest fear in performing is that I'm
going to forget my lines, whereas when I hosted said,
now my lines are everywhere that you know, there's so
many there's four sets of que card people. So I was,

(40:03):
of course nervous. It was live TV. But my biggest
performing fear that I'm gonna somehow And the second you
forget a line for a second, ones adrenaline can then
surge and start talking to you, and you're like, you're
not gonna remember anything.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
Yes, were you calmer? Were you calmer with those lines
in front of you?

Speaker 7 (40:22):
You know?

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Obviously it was balanced out by the insanity of like,
oh my god, I'm doing this like life change and
it's live and it's tests to know and all that.
But I but I remember feeling like way less nervous
that the lines were everywhere. I mean, I feel like
I could do any play any day if the lines
are everywhere. You know, these older these older folks, now
you have have some some older actors now use an earwig,

(40:44):
which is a tiny lit layer piece that goes in
your ear. Uh, So they have the comfort of knowing
like if you forget the line, someone's gonna whisper it
to you.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Uh, that would be kind of stabilizing for me, there
are people that can actually do that.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
I've worked with somebody who does it.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Well, no, film acting is different than the theater.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Bro. You can continue to talk and they can continue
to save their lines and they're just regurgitating what they.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Hear and live like like like like live.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, that's pretty impressive. It's like that's a skill in itself.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
The fact that you can't remember the lines, the fact
that you can hear this motherfucker talking to you over
your over your voice right now is impressive.

Speaker 5 (41:26):
But also don't sorry ahead.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Go ahead, Tony, you're the guests.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
No please. Also, does it remind you of every uh,
everybody in the A D Department when they're talking to
you on set. Uh, they always got those those ear
pieces and they're kind of talking to you, and all
of a sudden they just kind of dis else.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
You're like some of them, some of them have at
least the courtesy to put their hand up, like.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
Yeah, yeah, not most of them.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
All Right, we're gonna take a quick break and then
when we come out back, we're gonn talking about VIEB
for a second, because I don't know if there's ever
been a show that made me laugh as hard as
so We'll be right back. Oh my god, that was

(42:11):
a long breakication. Yeah, Tony, wasn't that awesome audience. I
wish we could go through all the things we talked
about on break, but we don't have time. Tony. I
heard a rumor, and tell me if this is true
that you guys would actually really rehearse or improvise and
the scripts would be written from that can, which which

(42:33):
is nothing I've ever heard of before and sounds amazing.
What is that?

Speaker 5 (42:37):
Yeah, it's not I mean they, I mean I. I
came more from a sketch background. I didn't come from
an improv background. And when you're working with someone like
Matt Walls, she was one of the founders of Upright
Citizens Brigade, I was a little intimidating because I was like, Oh, crap,
is this like a totally improv show? And it wasn't.
It was Armanda Nucci who created the show and all
of his writers, and then David Mandel took over. They

(42:59):
really gave us like a script and then we would
just kind of put it on its feet just to
kind of see if it gelled. And that to me,
what that afforded was oh, we got words, we got
a base, and then if anything else comes out, you know,
if any kind of funny bits comes out, any kind
of funny physicality. Like Julia and I, I was obviously
her kind of bag man, and we would always be like, Okay,

(43:21):
we got the words. Now let's play and see if
like Okay, if you drop your code here, I'll try
to snag it here. You know, then we kind of
fund out come up with a lot of fun physicality.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
During those rehearsals before shooting.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like they we would. When Ormanda was
in charge, we would rehearse sometimes like a week and
we would rehearse like three or four scripts.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
And that's never I think that, but because I hate
the fact when you go home, I hate going home
feeling like I should have done it this way. I
left this on the table and told every actor feels
that way no matter what, no matter how long the
day is. At some point in the take you're like,
all right, I gotta get through this shit, man.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Fuck yeah. And then you got that you.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Got to clarify for the audience just in case everyone else.
For the most part, when we do Cereal television, like this,
we get the scripts, we rehearse the scene in the
morning or what let's just say it's the morning scene,
and then we block it out, we figure out what
the jokes, how everyone's going to be, and then we
go and film film it. In this rare case, they
were actually rehearsing as you would play.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
For three weeks.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Yeah, like yeah, sometimes like there was way one or
two weeks, like but a lot of scripts and then
but to your point, Donald, the worst is because that
is incredibly rare, and I was very fortunate to go
through imp I know. And typically to your point, Donald,
when you I would say something and you're like, oh,
I know there's something else. I know I could do more,

(44:48):
and then they're like, all right, let's turn around, meaning
let's go to the other angle away from me. And
I'm like, ah, I don't think I did. Can I
do it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. On television you
get like literally, really if you're if if the show's
moving well, you'll.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Get three takes, four takes, and.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Then they're moving on you. It's pretty ballsy for them
to say, Okay, we're gonna move on. It's pretty ballsy
for not to be like, can I get another one?
And then you feel like a right, and then they
give it to you, and then afterwards you like, can I.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
Get one more?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
We're on of chances.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
You got to you gotta get.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
The yeah, you know what I mean, or you get that,
or you get that look after you do it when
you ask for one more and they're like, I didn't
see anything different.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
It's what did you do?

Speaker 4 (45:35):
What did you do?

Speaker 3 (45:36):
What would you do different?

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Right?

Speaker 2 (45:38):
You must have laughed so hard. I mean I I
just thought that show was so fun. I didn't want
it to end. I just thought it was And now,
more than ever, I think so much of it is
it feels like it's real life.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Uh. I think that's why a part of why we
did stop because it started to Julia says, when you
kind of think you're doing a bit of a documentary,
you know, you're like this. The parallel that was happening
in politics was a little it was its own sitcom.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
And also I think that's universal to both parties. It
seems to me is that I never really see anything
about the vice president, Like they get in office and
then I don't really know what in either party what
they're doing, and the two.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Most famous vice presidents are Bush and Biden, and that's
because they became president after they were vice president.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
No, but I'm just saying if you just use Kamala
and Pence just as an example, Okay, it's so I
can say that. I think it's universal. Like I don't
know what either of them have really done. It seems
like they have a really interesting story to tell. And
that's why I appreciated about the comedy of it all.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
You know what that makes me think of Gary would
always stand behind Julia and he wasn't allowed to talk
like Julia Selena never really wanted Gary to talk, to
the point where I was called a bitchy mime because
I just all I had was my nonverbal And it
kind of think the vice president's kind of like that,
like they just kind of stand back and just give
some nonverbal.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Every now and then. Yeah, just not.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Can we go back to what you said when you
said you guys would improvisee you guys would improvise physicality. Yeah,
that's that's a different form of improvisation right there. So
we just turn into stunts with this turned into pratfalls
like any of your stuff.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
Yeah, yeah, I mean a good I love a good
prat fall. It was I think because because Gary really
couldn't speak, physicality was his language, Like that was kind
of like the face. And Selena as the president and
the vice president, couldn't really be honest with her speeches.
But my character had this like my nonverbal could be

(47:38):
her honesty. So she was talking to someone who was
kind of an ass and she was all nice. I
was just in the back, like what a do? And
so that was really fine, but also something there was.
I remember there was one scene where we were at
a museum and she wasn't president anymore, and they had
like roped off the president desk and she just wanted

(47:58):
a taste of like what it felt again to be
at the president's deskin. She went over, She went over
the rope and sat there, and then people came in
and that's when we were like, okay, now we can
have some fun. So I tried to get her over
the railing and then she I caught her right before
her face hit before. I mean that kind of fun
like stuff to make you know.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
How many cameras did you guys have?

Speaker 5 (48:19):
We had? It was single yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Okay, so on arrested you guys had like five cameras,
but it's still camera.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Not five.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
I had so many, but it's still considered single.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
How many you're confusing our audience, not.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Because you know what you guys know what I mean.
You can bring I know.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
But terms let me explain for the audience, just because
this can get confusing. Traditionally it used to be multiicam
meant the old school live in front of an audience
with a laugh track, like Friends, for example, And then
when the new show started coming along, like Scrubs and
like The Office and like Arrested, they started calling them
single camera, meaning we were shooting them like a movie

(48:58):
on sets there was no audience. And then for time
and budget, people started adding more cameras, being like, let's
get more coverage at the same time, so we would
shoot two cameras for the most part on Scrub. We
still shoot two or three on on Shrinking these days.

(49:19):
And I remember Arrested was was at least when I was,
there was at least two handheld right because it was
supposed to be a documentary, so that was all handheld style, right.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Yeah, yeah, because they kind of pitched it like documentary style.
We had some I think sometimes when they had three cameras,
we were like, oh, this is a this is a
special day. And nowadays three camera for a single for
a single camera show, which does I know that's confusing,
that's kind of typical.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
I feel, Yeah, that's what we do. That's what we're
doing on shrinking and h and it's pretty great. It's
pretty Yuh. I like it.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
You can get so much, but get to Cara asking,
that's what I was asking. If you do a pratfall
like that, you can't the chances of getting that comedy
right over and again.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
Yes, yes, good call. And it's even with improv because
it not just physicality, but it's like with improv when
people are coming up with stuff on the fly, you
want those two cameras on either sides to catch.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Actually, that's a big thing now more than ever. That's
another thing audience is called cross covering, when we never
used to do back in the day. But the cinematographers
finding ways to shoot both directions at the same time.
So if an actor is improving left and right, the
other person can be improving back and you're not having this.
You're not having to go back and go, Okay, what
were the funny things that you said, because I now

(50:33):
want to respond to them.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
And the challenge with that is it's really hard not
to break because when people are coming up with stuff
on the fly and you're like, you need a super here,
supernatural power to not laugh. And when Julia Louis Drives
is next to you and she's come up with stuff.
She told me once and I've said this many times,
but she told me this once, like Tony, you know

(50:55):
you're not watching the show. You're in the show.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Because I just could not.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
I could not keep it together. There was one scene
where she had her character told me like she wanted
me to break up with her boyfriend for her, and
we were we were face to face, so close, I
was kissing, and I was like, this is a supernatural
strength to keep it together. My body was shaking and

(51:23):
I had to make I mean, it's like, forget about it.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I mean, we do that to Donald and I would
crack each other up and we couldn't. We'd have to.
I remember trying to.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Do it was on film too.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I would try remember like bite, I would bite my cheek,
I would bite, would places myself and then you get thinking.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
About sad stories. Like I would think about, like someone dying.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
I would think everyone's pissed at me. I was like,
everyone's doesn't. No one thinks this is funny. Everybody wants
to go home. Stop giggling. You get the giggles, and
then you're screwed.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
You do get the giggles.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Let's take a break.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
We'll be right back after these fine words. Let's talk
about your new show, because I watched the pilot and
it was really really.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Yes, yes, thank you.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
I watched it too, and I don't watch it, but
I watched the pilot and I am going to continue
to watch.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
It's really how do you say it? The Decameron, the Cameron,
the Cameron.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
You know.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
We we shot in Italy for six it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
So these are all practical sets.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Then this is no, no, that's there's definitely a big
as set.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
Right well we yeah, the big asset was in the villa,
which yeah, beautiful. It was chi Chiita. These are, by
the way, these names, these Italian names. I say, I
completely left up the per first three weeks of being there,
and then after after time I got used to it.
But Cheta is where we shot, and and then when
we did exteriorst like the castle. We would go to
these gorgeous places and do that stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
It's so beautiful, beautiful. I was so envious looking at
all these exterior locations. I never know, other than when
Donald and I went to the Bahamas for scrubs, I
don't think I've ever worked in some place as it
was beautiful.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
And the Italians are very I mean, They're artistry is great.
They're honest people. They're honest people.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
I was.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
I had this costume, I war had this belt, and
it's well. For those who don't know, it takes place
during the Bubonic plague during thirteen forty eight.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I think The Great is a good reference point. Yes, yeah,
if people know the show The Great, it's sort of
a highly stylized period style. It was very modern elements
in modern music, but set you know in what fourteen.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
Something, yeah, fourteenth century, thirteen forty eight, And it's kind
of the writer Kathleen Jordan wrote it during the pandemic
as a way of kind of processing the uncertainty and
fear that we were all experiencing. And it's it's kind
of like a I play the kind of and if
you think of doubt Nabbey. I kind of played like
the carson, like the kind of the head of the
downstairs right. I would say very darker.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Glory nabb Glory's wig glorious, oh my.

Speaker 5 (54:01):
Just gorgeous, I mean my hair. And the Italians, I'm
not kidding, they would always say, Tony your head, that hey,
that wig looks so beautiful, so beautiful. And after a
while I was like, hard not to be insulted because
I'm like, this is not my hair does not look
this good, and I have to take this off.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
They're getting credit like it's your hair.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
Yeah, And I said, guys, I can't glue this on
my head every day, and this one Italian goes, ah,
maybe you should, and I was like, okay, let's settle down, man.
And then there's another guy. I had my costume and
I said, hey, can you make this belt a little tighter?
And he goes, no, you have an odd shape. And
I was like sorry, and he goes, what you do you.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I loved about the show is that other than you.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
And Sasha Sasha Mammot good Saja Mammon.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Sorry. I would never said her name out loud, but
she's very funny. But I'll youtwo. I hadn't seen any
of these people before, and I love shows that introduced
me to all these new actors.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
It was a lot of funny Sias Shamanica Jackson who
was on that show Dairy Girls, which I started watching
when I got this. So funny, I mean, just a
lot of Tanya Reynolds, who is I did not watch it,
but the show Sex Education, and just a lot of
UK actors and really funny.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Who's the woman who plays the main the woman who
steals the identity of her of her?

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Yeah, Tanya Reynolds, she's the one. Very very good, very good,
And it's just it was so fun and I also
I will say it wasn't just the script is so
good and shows really and it has an arc. I
don't I was talking to somebody about this recently. I
don't know if you guys. I don't think you guys did,
because you guys did. But what my other characters like

(55:43):
Buster or Gary, they kind of get stuck in a
kind of an emasculated role and that's kind of the funny,
like they never really grow. Yeah, it was really nice
on the show to have a full arc, like it's
a limited series. You really see you know, he has
an awareness and he makes mistakes and then he kind
of retreats and comes back. And that was nice.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Well the pilot. I only saw the pilot, but man,
it sets up so much mayhem. Yes, I thought that
was It's a really good pilot because you go just
I mean, it's a testament to the writing because not
only does it set up so many characters, but so
many different subplots and stories, and I.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Would say it takes its time to bring it all
together and just filing alone. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
Yeah, that's something she was talking about recently that she
was inspired kind of by Amadeus and like the favorite
and and there was a sense of kind of sitting
in the tension a lot like and also there we
all use our dialect where it's not the same dialect
very because she said, similar to Amadeus, and she kind
of like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Well, Denzel. People have been joking about the the New
Gladiator siler because Denzel is just like, I'm just going
to be Denzel.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
I'm surprised he's like not my man. In the trailer.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
We like it, my man, I love it.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Listen, nobody cares, by the way. Everyone just like.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
He got a bow and arrow. At some point, I'm like,
this motherfucker kick ass.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
Did you say there's a trailer?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Yeah, now this is what they got me.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
He was under the impression that it's the Mandalorian dude
that's the start a.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
Movie, Petroscal.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah, it's not him.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
It's his lookalike brother dude, like the dude, the dude
that they got to play here the it's.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
It looks like you don't know. This guy is very famous.
Donald what's his name, Paul Paul something, Paul Mescal, Paul Scow.

Speaker 8 (57:42):
He even got the same name, Peal, Paul Paul. I'm
just saying, man, it kind of sound the same, potato
Potato Pascal.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
They're both incredible. Pedro Piscal even in the movie.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Yes, yes he is in the movie.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
To be honest, I just saw the memes. I have
yet to see the trailer, but I saw all they
fight a rhino.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
I think that they came. I think they were there
or came right after we finished a camera and at
the stages that we were shooting.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Yea, there's a scene which was a quirky sidekick.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
That motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
I'm here, there's a rewrite. Denzel Denzel now has a
quirky Hey.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
Denzel, you look dirty.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
I'm just saying, man, there's a scene where they fill
the Colosseum up with water and have a boat fight
in the coliseum.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
I don't know who told was a real thing.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Yeah, it was me and you.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
That's what we were having this conversation with somebody. They
used to do that.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
Oh yeah, if you that's one thing I did do
a lot's go to the Colisseum and it was fascinating.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
What do you do there?

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Just walking around? I just walked around and then they
you kind of go downstairs where you know, they brought
the animals up and then yeah, and the and the
fighters and just it was so atrocious. It's so atrocious.
But there was also something really, I don't know, existential
about it, Like at the time it was the just

(59:24):
pinnacle of wealth and then you just now everything's been
stripped away, and it's like, man, just that's what happens
with that equation is just that atrocious.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
And it happened like that too. It was like the
Fall of Rome was like that.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
I'm sorry this is a dumb question, but is the
coliseum just a museum thing you visit or can they
still throw shows there.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
No, it's not a stupid question. It's right now. It's
a it's a museum.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
It's good because probably suck it up. They'd get all
drunk and like, piss on it.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
Yeah, just just piss on it.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
No, you know you can't trust What are you going
to do tonight?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I'm going to go.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Getting done to your hammer And you're at the concert
and you're like, I got to pee. The toilets are
so far Just be here, bro, all right, I'll pee you.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Just sounds like a personal experience for you, Zach.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I'm just saying I want to protect nice things and
can't have nice things.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
Cut to tomorrow's story, Zach, bravit Taylor Swift and just
peeing on the I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Went and Donald was my date to Taylor Swift and
I used the toilet.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
Can we talk about just for two seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Anything you want? You the.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Thank you for reminding me the the movement. My my
my daughter is a swiftye and the the coding of
it all is fascinating to me. Like she I guess
she went to some her premiere and she was wearing
a blue dress that had kind of cuts in the
dress and I was like, oh, that's interesting. It looks
like and my daughter goes, oh no, no, no. She was
wearing this nail polish in this concert and it was

(01:00:58):
light blue and there was lines in it and was
really into this album. And I'm like, this is like
an escape room.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah. She she sincerely drops Easter eggs with everything she does.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Man, it's like a show lost. Yeah, there's so many clues.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Yeah, and you have to be a fan. You have
to be a real die hard fan to understand it. Yeah,
you know that. Does Beyonce do that too? Like I
feel like she does all kind of do that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Joelle is furiously nodding audience.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
She does when I did that commercial.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yea commercial. By the way, we had that in common.
We we both are of us, all four of us,
not only Superman. You you chill for another brand that
shall not be mentioned. But we have to ask you
to mention him and you try and men out. Yeah

(01:01:54):
we are a T mobile podcast. But but wait, Tony,
we're bearing the lead. What was it like working with Beyonce, babe?

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Well, I mean, I uh so I got First of all,
they called and and say, hey, are you interested in
doing a Super Bowl ad? Which, by the way, anytime
they say are you interested, it's like, why are you?
Why don't you just book me and just say show.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Up, Hey, Tony, it's Beyonce and a giant check. What
are you doing? Are you busy?

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Oh, it's so funny. I'm having coffee with a friend.
Can't but I uh so they said that, and then
they said it's with a music artist and I was like, oh,
that's cool. And then they said Beyonce and I was
like sorry, and my daughter had just been to her concert,
and I, you know, I don't get a lot of
cool dad points. You know, it's she doesn't really anything

(01:02:41):
I do. She's she's I mean, first of all, buster Bluth,
like what she could be like my dad's Buster Blue
but no, no, but it's no, she is very proper,
but like she doesn't watch a lot of this stuff.
But I couldn't tell her that I would have done
this because we signed an NDA and it wasn't until it,
you know, it aired, that she was able to see it.
But my point in that was that we did some

(01:03:02):
kind of teasers before it, kind of some coding, and
I was at a lemonade stand and then I was
next to the horse. What's the horse name? The glittered horse?

Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
Oh my god, yes, but my daughter, you know the
picture of the horse, just a picture of the horse house.

Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
She is, She's amazing. But my daughter immediately got it
because they're so used to this coding, like everything.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Is beyon Is it Beyonce's horse?

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
It was Beyond? She uses it in her concert.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Mia. Yes, Mia, you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
Know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
You on muted and lean forward.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
I'm say something and lean forward. You gotta say something,
you can't mute.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
I wish the audience furiously see Joel googling Beyond.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Her eyes are like this on the screen, going back
and back and forth really fast.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
But how was the experience?

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
Oh, it's great, it was great. It was I think
we shot from like six am to like five am
the next day. Wow. Wow, and I but it went
by like I was just like it was like a
front row seat to get experience, you know. And she
had like nine costume changes. I was in the same outfit,
so I just sat around at Craftservice all day.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
So you shot that whole commercial in one day.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Well, I came back the next day to shoot kind
of my reaction shots and then her and I stuff
was that first day?

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Did you feel nervous working with her? Did you give
yourself any I've said on this podcast before sometimes when
I'm working with someone of that stature, of like holy
shit stature, that I give myself a little pep talks
like don't don't be in your head like you don't
want to when everyone sees this. You don't want to
look like nervous guy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
You're so full of shit. Bro. When we first started,
I remember we would go out and it would be
all of these fun There's only one time where I
saw him losing shit. But we would see so many
famous people, and this motherfucker would be able to hand.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
He would handle it no problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Like I'm not talking about out drinking. I'm talking about
like directing Morgan Freeman.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
Oh well, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Well that's different, bro, Okay, all right, hold.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
On now, I would think that's interesting directing. I don't
know about this. This felt a little more. I think
if it's maybe it's not my age and I'm fifty
almost fifty four years old, and I get excited. I
get more excited now with these kind of experiences because
it's an opportunity. I don't know, as someone who is

(01:05:40):
so on a pedestal and just like she mean, she's
so talented. I get excited about kind of seeing the
humanity of someone, you know, and like she's so sweet
and she's humble, and you know, she's a girl in
the middle of this kind of you know, whirlwind of
talent and praise and stuff, and I don't know, just

(01:06:02):
kind of seeing that humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
As about.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
Jesus Odd, I would say fifty percent of our conversation
is talking about Joel. Yeah, to day, I didn't know,
And now I know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
She's right about that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Her and her and and uh Taylor Swift. Beyonce and
Taylor Swift are starting a revolution right now. Man, musical
revolution amongst these young ladies and.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
Cowboy is incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Yeah, oh man, come.

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
On, it is incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
But you know what I'm gonna say one thing. This
is the one thing that I'm gonna say about it.
All they knew who to go to for the hit.
They both went to that post.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
The Malone guy. I just didna put it out there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
They both threw it into the post, mounted down for
them and late it is there. Okay, best song on
both albums, Best song gonna boat that album post Malone,
I will throw something at.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Least to Donald I'll fight you right now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
All right, wait too, Most wanted his dope to Most
wanted his dope Like.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
The bunking bunk is a bunk bunk bucket.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
Sweet honey bucket, Like I love that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
Thing. I love. And there's also like it's a snap.
There's like a snap snap snap snap thing. And I'm like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Dolly Parton hang man.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Yeah, there's a lot of good telling you. They threw
it into the post.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
They threw it into the post, and he backed him
down and dunked it for him.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
What do you tell me what is unique about because
I mean again I'm old about post Malone that they
both went that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
It's just because his sound, his sound is way different
than everybody else's. It's real, it's it's it comes from
the eighties, but it's different. Man, Like something about post Malone. Listen,
I'm a fifty year old man right now. I think
he has the melodies that I'm taking that I just
want to because he says the same shit that everybody

(01:08:14):
else says. He sings trap music, but he just has
a melody to his stuff that's really, really, really good?

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
Am I wrong, Joel?

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
Not at all. He's very musically gifted where I think,
you know, like he can do a lot of different
things musically, which obviously elevates you and allows you to
be fluid between genres in a way that not everybody
can be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
All right, we've kept it Tony long enough. Tony, remind
us how to say your show? De Cameron, Cameron see
the Cameron got it Cameron? And it's on Netflix? And
when can people see it?

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
I know Netflix, We're happy to support a startup. It
airs the July twenty fifth.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
July twenty fifth, Everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
This show is epic, guys, check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
It's very funny, and it tells a real it tells
a story, and you love to follow the characters.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
So and I got to say, and if you happen
to be a Scrubbs fan who has not ever watched REEP,
you're really missing out. It's a very similar sense of
humor and you will definitely love.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
How they got nominated for not Yeah they got nominated
for everything, and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Yeah they were way more high falutin for you, guys.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
I know you get this question all the time. Do
you get the question all the time about like bringing
it back.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, we're going.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
To bring it back in some capacity. It's just that
our overlord and showrunner Bill Lawrence is a very busy man,
but he wants to bring it back, and we all
want to bring it back. It's just a matter of
It's like the slot machine. It's a matter of all
the things lining up and getting.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
Chairs, and it's a lot. It's a big cast. It's
challenging to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah, but I think once Bill is like, this is
the moment where I can do it, and I think
it'll happen.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
I know that it's such a joy. That would be
such a joy to reunite.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yeah, even if it's just for for some sort of
short run, would be a blast.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
You get that. I get that question a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:10:11):
I used to with the rest of it, and then
they they kind of, oh, you guys did it. Yeah,
we did it and Veep uh that would be fun.
We kind of if you said, the finale kind of
jumps ahead and she does well that's a.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Spoiler, but its tony.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
But there could be something in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Maybe I hope you bring I hope you bring Veeep back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
You could go back and tell more stories. That's how
we're looking.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
That's what I think is going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
I think we're going to go back into the exact
moment where we were all in the hospital together and
just tell the stories.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
I feel a lot of Scrubs fans feel about Scrubs Tony.
I feel like I would be so giddy if there
was some announcement they're going to do a limited twelve
episodes Veep is back. They're going to tell a story
they didn't tell. I would.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
I'd be so in that would be so dope, same same.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
All right, brother, thank you for wishing that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
For you guys. Thank you guys. It was a delay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Thanks for so much. That was amazing. What a great
guest hunt, Joel, great producing. These are your flowers and
your snaps.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
I'm seeing them and appreciating them.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Great engineering to me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Now I can't believe that Daniel.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Daniel is in danger. I know, Ranger.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
I mean, you get rid of whatever that sound is
in your background if you can.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
I'm trying to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
I will if you can figure out why it sounds
like you live on a train. Yea, we would love
to have you back.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
It's probably what's that if your computer fan is on
on our laptop, that will create that sound right next
to the mic. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Well, Joelle, if Daniel's ever unable to make it again,
I want you to book Mia and her new sound system.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
A gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
But Tony was a great guest, and Joelle, I seriously
want to thank you. Your prep notes were really helpful
and and I really you know, we're learning how to
do this interview thing. It's not what Donald and I
are school then. But it's a lot of fun talking
to actors, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
It really is. I like that the most, to be
honest with you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
It's cool to talk to people who are interesting. Well,
I like talking about sex two sec. We all do,
But I definitely like talking to people who have gone
through the exact same experiences that we have. And I
think it's something that I hope it's something that the
listeners want to talk about also, because I mean, it

(01:12:43):
seems glitz and glamory, but that shit, it's not you
know what I mean, it's work. There's another side to it.
And that's what he was trying to say. When you know,
you get that first sitcom, you're like all I wanted.
All I wanted was a sitcom and you get that
shit and it's not exactly what you thought it was
going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Yeah, and then I would have never thought that. After arrested,
he was like, are we gonna have to sell our house?

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Man, you know he had that anxiety. You know, I
was I misunderstood. I thought Veep kind of went right.
I went right in. I didn't realize there was such
a big split in the years.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
There's not a lot of work out there, bro and
what everybody sees is the work that you got at
the time. But there's times where you're not working for years.
If you're counting on acting to pay your bills, and
you are blessed enough to have that ability or have
that opportunity, you got to understand that in between jobs

(01:13:36):
is where that money needs to be put, you know
what I mean. It's just a lot of people don't
know that. A lot of people look at it as
I got all of this money, I'm bawling and then
the freaking then you go down that roller coaster hill and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah, moist shocked when you see these new people that
blew up and they're like driving like a Bentley I'm like,
you shouldn't be buying a Bentley.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Go buy a Bentley bro. Go buy a Bentley bro.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
You see this in only would though like someone's famous
for a day and they're driving around a Bentley.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
It's like, oh, bro, the first check if you burning
a hole in your pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
I remember that first check, that first I spent the
whole clueless check on a car. I'll never forget that.
I got a Jeep Cherokee.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
I'll never forget it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
And my mom, my mom said, red Jeep Cherokee, Laredo.
My mom said to this is fucking hilarious. My mom
said to me, she goes, did you learn your lesson?
I said, yeah, I need to make some more money.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
All right, audience, thank you for tuning in. We appreciate you,
We love you. Stay safe out there, be kind. Donald
counts out.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
I'm not sure we made about a bunch, said, he's
a story net.

Speaker 5 (01:14:58):
Around you here.

Speaker 7 (01:15:00):
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