Fantasy Baseball 2020: Auction Draft Strategy

Gregg Sussman and Frank Stampfl try to prepare for their Auction Draft and use you as a guide. They will fill you in on their strategy, tricks they've learned and ideas that they are implenting this season!

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welcome a with that, We welcome you inside up Studio
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Frank Stample. I am a gran sauceman, gay top it man.

(01:00):
A happy hump day to you. But what are you
wearing today? What do you think I have? There are
a lot of thoughts going through my mind right now. Positive.
I didn't realize until right this second. I saw a
clip from the NBA Fantasy Twitter earlier today and I
thought to myself, what is Greg Waring? And now I
just wondered aloud what you are wearing? Are positive? Thoughts? No,

(01:25):
I don't know, man compliments earlier. So I bote this
like two or three years ago. Right, I went to the
the north stroom. This is cool, right, this is a
cool thing because it's a sports jacket. It's also like
a sweatshirt. I see that, right, It's like this, the
hoodie meets the blazer, right, so it's almost like an
AJ style stuff of the here, right, but like whoa

(01:48):
who he meets the blazer, and it's like I wasn't
sure what the weather was. I wasn't sure like the
shirt would like not be good for TV. Okay, that's
like the checks and stuff. But I thought like this
look was kind of cool, so I decided to wear it.
All right, It's it's trying. It's different for sure. Look,
I've never seen anything like that that looks a little

(02:10):
bit better. I think it looks better. Yeah, I think
when you zip it up, it looks a little bit. Yeah,
it looks like you're just wearing a hoodie under a blazer.
So now, because when it's not, I've just left really
confused trying to figure out what's going on there. You know, Look,
you plan to wear that on the MG thing that yet?
Because you please do? Okay, I'm gonna wear it there.
They tell me take it off, I'll say it off.

(02:31):
You know what I want to see. I want to
see how they respond to you. Don't you don't like it?
What you're saying I didn't say that. Great, you don't
like it. It's different. They're to be different, and that
is John I've done today. Joan, you're always very honest
with Michael. What do you think here? I actually like it.
I like it. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I wasn't expecting
that I would tell him, honestly, I know you before.

(02:52):
What does that mean? All right? So there you go.
All it looks a little big. That's what I said. Yea,
fs yesterday I complimented, you know, you lost about twenty
pounds in here. Enough of my weight. Let's go and
talk to some NBA and some all the whole other
stuff going on in the world. This is the news update.

(03:17):
Thank you, grag Off. John Watt with your BFF ports
Grid news of the Corona virus update. The Warriors will
play the Brooklyn Nets on Thursday in San Francisco without
fans in attendance. This after the governor issued an order
for San Francisco to follow crowds one thousand or less,

(03:41):
but the NBA and the San Francisco Warriors have elected
to play tomorrow night's game against the Brooklyn Nets with
no fans inside the Chase Center. Of the team announced
on Wednesday. Some news in Major League Baseball concerning the coronavirus.
The Mariners will not play any home games in a
month of March. They had been scheduled to play the

(04:03):
Texas Rangers from March twenty six through the twenty nine,
so that is now out nowhere yet on when they
were resumed play in Seattle. Four the Mariners. Let's head
over to College Basketball Conference tournament action at the half
Big Sky Round one. Southern Utah a two point lead

(04:24):
over Idaho. Southern Utah nine and a half point favorites
right now. That is a live update on the Fangal
sports book one twenty four and a half Your total
a C C Pittsburgh and NC State NC State your
leader right now in the first half with three minutes ago,
thirty one to seven, the whole Fax seven and a
half point favorite one six and a half year total

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just underway, Utah and Oregon State Oregon State three and
a half point favorites one thirty three and a half
your total, and a plethora of games later on today
and tonight, thirty four games in total. In college basketball.
Some news was out of the NBA that we did
not get to that is Ben Simmons has been ruled
out for an additional three more weeks. He will not

(05:08):
play for the Philadelphia seventies sixers, and that's at least
with a back injury, so stay tuned on that. And
Rashad Jones has been cut by the Miami Dolphins and
safety had been with the Dolphins for the previous four seasons.
That is your BFFs Sports grade news update. Not back
to Craig, Greg and Frank Frank take it away to

(05:29):
the Fantasy BFFs. No joke, This is all Greg Susan
has been doing throughout the course of the news update.
The guy's walking around, He's trying to figure out should
he zip it up? Should he tuck his shirt in?
And now he's turned into Alex Rodriguez. He is just
looking at himself, very very close to the reflection there.
But speaking of Greg Sussman, he got I had a
chance to talk with Drew dink Meyer earlier today from

(05:50):
Daily Rohado dot com to figure out who they should
get in their DFS lineup tonight with no Chris has Porzingis,
and Drew dink Meyer had this to say about Maxi
Kleiber we went on a power forward. Now Christops Porzingki

(06:10):
is what questionable in a second backs back later this season, Um,
but we don't know yet. Maxie clever, he's really good
with Kate's on out there taking that shot. Yeah, that's
sort of the key here. Power forwards a tricky spot.
But if Christops Porzingis Um, who didn't play particularly well
last night on the front end of the back to back,
is unavailable tonight, which has been the case throughout most

(06:30):
of the season, we kind of expect Maxi Kleiber would
step into a ton of minutes and he'd be well
under priced for a pretty favorable matchup. So you've gotta
pay attention to the news on this one. But obviously,
if you're looking for other more stable options, you can
go up in pricing to John Collins are a bad
auto bio guys like that that you know are are
likely to play tonight and kind of guarantee those big roles.

(06:50):
But if Porzingis does, to say it, Maxi Kleiber would
be one of the best values on the slate. Maxi
Kleiba Cliba, he is a good value on the slate tonight.
Um christas person is officially ruled out now we know.
We'll see about Luka done. As you were talking about downstairs, Frankie,
neither of them playing back to backs, really, they kind
of alternate which game in the back to back they play.

(07:11):
We'll played heavy minutes last night. Yeah, they're both over
thirty five minutes last night. We'll see if there's any
news on Luca Donte. Heading up to tonight's NBA DFF slate,
make sure you are glued to the screen at Daily
Rodos so that you can get all those updates there
as well. But KP already ruled out, which means Maxi
cleber At is one of the better values tonight. All right,
on the program today, we're gonna give you some auction

(07:34):
draft strategies. We are preparing for our auction tomorrow, frank
which is no longer live. It is now at seven
pm Eastern Time online. Yes, because obviously everything that's going
on with the coronavirus tout Wars live events was we're
canceled this weekend as well. Uh and rightfully so, right
like people need to take the proper precautions. And this

(07:54):
is bigger than Fantasy Baseball obviously, Greg, and you know
I kicked off the week on Monday Fantasy Sports Today
to only everyone how much this is one of my
favorite weeks of the year in terms of fantasy baseball drafting.
I got a ton of auctions and drafts this week.
Tomorrow night we have one together Greg. Saturday, I'm in
the NFBC Main Event. Sunday NFBC Main Event, and Sunday

(08:14):
I also have the Tout Wars head to Head points
auction as well. So I've got four either drafts or
auctions over the next four days here. Um, and look,
it's a bummer. I understand that. But you know, obviously
this is uh, this superseeds Fantasy baseball, and I think
that the right decisions have been made. Greg h I see, yes,

(08:36):
Greg's not buying in. He still wants to do live auctions.
And you want to live auction, I do. I get it.
Look I wanted to, but the only live auction of
the year, Frank, I don't do it live auction. Fantasy football.
You have to realize some people, you know, they take
care of the elderly, They have families, they have kids.
You and I, I mean, we don't have kids. We don't,
you know, take care of the elderly, so that we
know that's for sure. You know, Greg back in back

(08:59):
in Maryland, you know, fear the turtle's right. You know
where that's saying came from. You know. Actually that's a
story for another day. Um. We mentioned the coronavirus affecting
r Dress, so we're gonna talk about that a little bit.
I want to talk about the coronavirus in a larger scale.
The Golden State Warriors are playing a game without fans

(09:21):
tomorrow night against the Brooklyn Nets. The Seattle Mariners, if
they play in March, will not be playing in the
city of Seattle, as all large gatherings are being um
disavowed by j Innsley, Governor of Washington. In Dayton, Ohio,
where the First four is supposed to take place, there
are no fans allowed those games. Either will see for

(09:41):
the rest of the tournament, for the rest of March
madness how that goes, at least up until the Sweet
six team. Frankie, do you believe the MLB season will
start on time? I think that it's in serious question
right now, obviously with everything that's going on, and you
see teams that are already coming out and you know,
kind of tackling this before it becomes even an even

(10:04):
bigger thing obviously here. So um, I would be surprised Greg,
if it actually does start on time. I think that
we are going to get some kind of delay, uh,
in terms of the MLB season, which is unfortunate. Look,
you know, we're doing all this fantasy baseball prep and
we're here every single day doing our position previews, talking auctions,
and we're all very excited about the baseball season. But again,
this is something that's bigger than baseball. It's bigger than

(10:25):
fantasy baseball as well. Uh. So, yes, I do think
that we could be looking at a potential delayed start
to the MLB season, And I think that, you know,
there's an there's a chance that we could be looking
at maybe a suspension of the NBA season as well.
I know that that's something that they're talking about right now.
They're having meetings today and tomorrow with the NBA owners,

(10:45):
gms as well, trying to figure out what to do
in terms of this crisis. So um, I think that,
you know, all these things are are warranted, and yeah,
there's a good chance that the MLB season might start,
might not start on time. Greg no question about it. Uh.
With the NDB, it with the NBA being uh. He
talks about potentially being suspended um MLB not starting on time.

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As a realist of possibility, I think that for sure
at the end of March, you're not gonna see fans.
I think we all have no idea what's gonna happen
with the coronavirus. It's it's simply not clear. But I
think you're looking through the end of March. If not later,
you're not going to be able to have large gatherries.
We can't teach treat this as business as usual. Yes

(11:27):
with our draft, like to me, like fifteen guys in
our room, like or girls, fifteen people in the room
is fine. Seventy thousand fans from March madness, that's an issue.
Twenty five thousand fans of March Madness is an issue
for fans in Seattle. Is an issue a lot different
than ten people around the room. It's not even just

(11:49):
us we're concerned about. It's other people around us cashing
a virus that we may not even know we have.
There's a lot of scary stuff with coronavirus, and precautions
do need to be taking one of those precautions. As
we said, our live draft or live auction being canceled.
We're gonna say how that change our strategy and some
other strategies for you during auction drafts when we come
back right here. Olive fs want to light the lamp

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Frank Stafford, Greg Frankie, we what are our plans for

(12:54):
the live auction? Was the ring that that was easy
button and when we get players hit him with it.
We can't do that anymore. We cannot. So they're talking
about setting up like a vibe, But what if we
What if we Greg shot a video of ourselves pressing

(13:15):
the button and sent it to Ian Con after we
outdoule him for a player. All in on that, Yeah,
we should be doing that on that. The problem is
like the idea of this like Google, of of skyping,
or do we have a Google hang out? We got
everyone's gonna be on their computers trying to draft in
a love of draft. You're not gonna be talking to
each other. What I mean you and I could do

(13:37):
the two of us, Yes, really that would be your
job obviously. What does that mean, like you being the
person like interacting with these people? No, no, no, no,
that's never my job. No, no, I I draft press.
All right, So then there's gonna be no interaction because
I'm the one who's submitting the players. But you're like
the one that's friends with these people, right, I'd like
to think, So I'm not right, right, we don't have

(13:59):
to interact with anybody, because I would also like to
be keeping track of the players that we win much
salary Latin? No no, no, you know, no, no, we
can't have you do that. Not that jacket. So now
what I won't wear the jackets tomorrow? So what's what
My job in the auction normally is to raise my
hand and say a number. That's usually my role. I
will say this, The CBS Draft auction room works very well.

(14:21):
I have used it before. It's fine. I've used it before.
I understanding Greg have used it before. Nothing beats being
there live in person. I'm just out. I decided to
hang out with some people. Look, I told you, this
is one of my favorite nights of the year. Sam.
Is this auction together and we can still do it together?
I expect, not with everybody else. I expect we will
do it together. I mean to be pretty hard to

(14:42):
do an auction as teammates, not together. I feel like
we've done it before. No, we've done snake drafts like
face timing done. I feel like I've done an auction
with my old roommate, not next to him, like we
skiped each other. I'm not a fan of that. Okay,
so we will do it next to each other. Now.

(15:03):
First of all, we're gonna do at a bar, and
now I feel like I don't even know that as
the case looks like you might just have to make
his pass and have us over. Greg, We'll make it.
You can for him tonight, Oh well, making up for
everyone left overs. I don't mind leftovers. You don't my leftovers.
We left overs. Maybe that's the case. We will I
don't know. Yeah, we'll figure it out. A bunch of
I behaviors. Don't like those. I can get behind that

(15:25):
you have a bunch of them. Sure you're interested. I
think I'm more of a truly fan at wake Claws
and the House that I mean. I'm not gonna be picky.
I'm just telling you, do you think Do you think
that's what's gonna happen? Usually come over. We're gonna go
to a bar. No, I don't know, we go to
a bar. It's fine, assuming something is open, and it'll
be open. It'll be open, and we gotta have to

(15:45):
find someone that has appropriate WiFi. We're gonna space, right, Greg,
he's gotta be able to like wave his arms around
when he's betting on a player now in an online
auction ross and I'll get to like real strategy in
a moment. The question we have to ask who's the bidder?
Assume it's me because I was always my job. Right,

(16:06):
You're the bitter man. You've always been the bitter I
cannot take that role away from you. Now. I want
to make sure you have maybe I'll get like a
sneaky like click in there somewhere. Yeah, you're the guy.
I will keep tracking the stats, the roster and how
much money we have left. The math guy. Yes, you're
the bidding guy. You're the better. I love being the better.

(16:28):
Wait why did you make a face when you said
I was the math Are you a math guy? Yeah? Okay,
once more than English guy. Oh yeah, okay, so then
the math over English for sure, the entire course of mine.
So you are the math guy, I'm the better. Yes.
How does the strategy change online auction versus in person auction?
In an all serious question, Um, that's a fair question.

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I mean I don't think I don't think things changed
that much obviously, like being able to read the room changes,
you know, I'm honestly I'll be slee you know, we're
all online at that point. You can't really see people's
reactions sometimes, like do people have a good poker face
when they get into the bidding. Are they actually part
of the bidding or they're just trying to bid you off?
I mean, that's those are things that the human interaction,

(17:13):
that element of it, you know, being live in person
with other people, you know, that obviously is taken away
while you're looking at that point is digital numbers Greg
and people. You know, you're seeing numbers climb, climb, climb,
but you can't tell how serious people really are at
that point. So I will say this, In an a
live auction format, you're seeing like who's getting involved little

(17:33):
bit more, not so much when they're just pressing a
button and you're like, oh whatever, Like are you paying
attention that Adam Rownas is jumping in on every bid?
Not a surprise? I mentioned him conor earlier. That was better.
Um you know that people you can mentioned, Um yeah,
I think you're you're noticing like who's active in the
room right, like who's jumping in on every bid? Who's

(17:56):
really sitting it out and kind of taking it all in?
You didn't do that anymore online another strategy you're able
to see everyone's team all the time. Like yes, you
could do that in a live in a live auction
if you took time to do it. But now it's
all in there, all the interface for you. Good, so
you know what people, what positions, people need, how much money.
They might be easier to look it up right, Like
if you're getting into a bidding war with somebody over

(18:19):
an outfielder, and you look at their team and realize, well,
this person already has three four outfielders desperately, I don't
really need this player. Now. I know some people use
software to do all of this, anyway, we didn't. We
did not know well, I would keep track of our players,
not everyone else's, right, of course, Now it's all done
for us, which is kind of nice. So I think
that's certainly part of it. I think we should with
mos el sticks, right, I love Mozar ele sticks. This

(18:42):
guy loves fresh months. Is not fresh months. I understand that,
but I mean basically anything I've ever seen you eat Greg,
from salad to sandwich, there's fresh months involved. All right, Yeah,
I'm not sorry. It's the first thing that you throw up.
It's gotta be mos roll six. I mean, that wasn't
the first thing I threw up. I was in there.

(19:04):
We'll say this. So we're talking about coronavirus and things
getting canceled. So w W isn x T everyone is
to Night's taking a place from the performance center without
not in the full cell arena. M what are they
gonna do for WrestleMania? Gregg that is a gigantic question
that want to answer featuring Rob Gronkowski. Probably are you
hyped about that now? Doran here he said earlier on
f SC that you were going to break up the

(19:26):
pom Pomps. That's how excited you were for Rob Gronkowski.
You didn't care any less. Right, let's talk more strategy
for the auction, necessarily our strategy, but strategy and generally
can talk on our strategy. I don't care. But as
with the more auctions that I have done, I have learned,
I think, and you can correct me. We gotta aggressive early,

(19:47):
early in the tears, early with the players because as
players dwindle, as you are in search of that better deal,
he usually gets worse. We were discussing pictures that we
liked in certain tears or players we like in certain tiers,
and we're like, hey, let's just get the first one
with the assumption it doesn't always work like this, with
the assumption that the next guy is going to be higher.

(20:12):
Do you agree with that as an overarching strategy? Yeah,
I think that makes a ton of sense. And we
have mentioned that before as well in previous years when
doing our auction strategy shows and I think, look, you
tear out your players. I think that's the best way
to go into your auction. You have a whole set
of rankings, and you basically make groups of these rankings
called tears, where you have similar projection, similar expectations for

(20:36):
players within that tier. Obviously, a new tier starts when
you see the the projection downgrading. Right, So for example,
like Fernando Tatis and Trevor Story and Francisco Lindor and
that whole group of short stops that's tier. The first
five or six shortstops tier break, and then you look
at the guys who go in like the second third
round ridge with what with Clabor Torres, I don't know,

(20:59):
it's not me, Labor Torres, and how your biders like.
That's the difference in tiers that we're talking about. And
what we're saying is if there's a player that's thrown
out in that tier that you want or you want
to be involved in that tier of players, then you
should be aggressive in the first player that's thrown out there.
Greg So, I think another example, a perfect example is
Derrett Cohler Jacob Degraham. Right, if you want one of
those starting pitchers the elite aces that are probably gonna

(21:22):
run you dollars in fifteen team auction. Whoever is thrown
out first between those two, you are more aggressive on
that player because after Jacob Degram, one of those guys
de Gram or Cole goes, you can almost guarantee the
other one is going to go for more money. Greg
probably probably so and not that's not guaranteed, but probably

(21:43):
almost almost guaranteed. So that's why I'm I kind of
with the first picture that we get, I wanted to
throw in somebody that's kind of under them and be like,
and if we do that first and all right, well
there's four more aces people go out and get you.
We're gonna deal maybe yeah. And look, it doesn't have
to be just a tier of two players. It could

(22:03):
be that whole group that's going in the fourth round
totally more in Chris Paddock, Noah sender Guard, you can
put that Granky in that mix as well. Clayton Kershaw,
Clayton Kershaw. It's you know, once those names start to
get brought up, that's a group of maybe I don't know,
seven eight starting pitchers that you have in one tier.
Jump in on the first or second name in that tier.

(22:26):
Maybe it's the you know, the one that you want
boast obviously, but jump in early on that bidding because
more than likely once you dwindle down towards the end
of that tier, Greg, And we see this time and
time again. I've seen it plenty of times where a
player goes for five, six, seven more dollars than they
should because they're the last player in that tier, and
everybody else realizes that they are also the last player

(22:49):
in that tier. So a lot of it is based
on your rankings and how you tear out the players.
But I agree that you know, if someone gets thrown
out early and you want that player, you should be
aggressive of early in your auctions. I'm all about being
aggressive early in an auction, like I said, because that's
where the best deals can be found. But how do

(23:10):
you know how much you should be spending on these players?
How to break it down right? Because with pitching and hitting,
it's just different than football, where it's like you're just
trying to get as many points. There's pitching categories and
there's hitting categories, and they don't we intersect here. So
if your budget is two hundred and sixty dollars, right,

(23:30):
that's the standard, which is the standard normally in the
fantasy baseball sixties. I don't know football two hundred, make
it two? Well, it's there's you start what three players? Right? Right?
So to sixty divided by three is exactly eleven point
three dollars. Great, So I don't know how they came
up with that eleven dollars and thirty cents fantastic per players. Stupid,

(23:54):
I don't. I don't know how they came up with
to sixty. I don't have the answer. Right, that's the standard, right,
it is the standard. So how do we know how
to allocate that? What is the idea behind it? So?
I think most people kind of subscribe to sixty five, right,
that seems like the standard along with two and sixty
dollars of your budget. The standard is that you should

(24:15):
spend around sixty five percent of that budget on your
hitting and thirty five percent of that budget on your pitching.
I don't I think that you have to subscribe to
that theory, but you probably in all likelihood should not
be spending much more than like forty maybe max on
your pitching. Grade. All right, we'll have more auction draft strategy,

(24:36):
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(25:20):
Frank Stanville and Grex Susman are live inside Studio thirty four,
New York City today. Frankie inside New York City today. Now,
last year you were very interested in was why did
you accentuate that twice, Greig, because yesterday we were in here.
Oh okay, that is a fact. We were in New Jersey.

(25:40):
So last year you're all that position scarce today and
you used your auction budget to make sure that certain
positions were filled. Do you still feel the same way
in regards to your strategy here? No, not necessarily In
terms of positions, Greg, I have grown I have evolved
as a fantasy baseball player. We're no longer looking at

(26:00):
position scarcity, Greg, we are looking at category scarcity. And
you know, Greg amidst forming our plan, which everybody should
form a plan when it comes to the auction. You
don't have to that's another topic. You don't have to
be too rigid, And yes, we can talk about this, Greg,
but I think that you should go into your auction
with an idea at least of players that you want

(26:22):
to target and how you're going to accumulate these stats.
I don't think that you can just go into your auction,
especially in Rhodo and head to head points, it's much easier.
You just need to get players that score the most points,
and you probably just want to target pitching mostly more
than anything else. But in terms of Rhodo, in an auction,
I think you have to go in with a plan.
You have to figure out, all right, well, I've got

(26:43):
to come out of this draft with a hundred stolen basis,
a hundred projected stolen basis, how am I finding those
hundred stolen bases? And you kind of have to build
your auction plan around that, around what stats you need, Greg,
so again, like you know, Stulem bay is, everyone's gonna
talk about this year saves as well. You know, two
of the harder categories to come by batting average. Uh,

(27:05):
And I think that you know, last year, I was
hell bent on getting outfielders, and I think this year
most people, and rightfully so, should be hell bent on
finding speed. You don't need to win every category, especially
in a standalone league without an overall Greg. You just
have to be adequate. You have to be in the
middle of the pack when it comes to stolen bases,
so you probably need at least eighty two if we're

(27:26):
being honest in a fifteen team league, and I think
before the draft Greg, before the auction. Rather, you have
to have a plan of how you are going to
rack up those stats. And because midway through Greg, if
you realize, oh, I've already filled eighty percent of my
roster spots and I have thirty stolen bases, at that point,
you're left scrambling and then you're gonna wind up with
someone like Malex Smith, and you don't really want to

(27:47):
be in that position. That's the reason why I say
you do have to somewhat pre plan what you want
to do and how you're going to find those stats
within the auction? Well, is it pre planning or is
it rigidly planning? And that's where I wanted to get
into nast because Right and I, quite frankly have two
different philosophies when it comes to this. Frank is an
uber planner about everything. He wants to plan out every number,

(28:08):
every price that it would cost, every value, every price range.
I usually between like you write basically right down your
paces that you want to spend. But I have an
idea in my head. Right, for example, just throw a
name out there, say it's got Cary twelve bucks. I
know that there's a chance we can win for ten,
and I know that there's a chance we might have
to go to fourteen to get him. Like that, that

(28:30):
is in the back of my mind. So for me,
I knew it pretty I try to plan differently, where
like all right, where he just doesn't plan. No, no, no,
that's absolutely not the case. For every auction I've ever had,
I've always planned all right, So you should help me out,
you should help me plan. The problem is when I
try to plan my way, you go like, I look
at it completely differently, that's the issue. Okay, Now this

(28:51):
is actually a good point something, Yes, get into it,
thank you. So the way I plan is almost by
position and how much money you want to send her position. So,
for instance, catchers we've talked about on the show, I'll
reveal us that I don't care. We want to spend
no more than ten dollars. This is like, look, if

(29:14):
somebody wants to bit us up on Austin romand Greg whatever,
they can have it. So the point is, so I
want to spend no more than ten dollars on our
two catchers, and this is how I would build every position. Now,
I want to spend no more than x on every position.
This is the idea. And of course you can break
your own rules and then have to adjust the prices.
But to me, it's the prices, and then I've picked

(29:37):
the players that fall into those price ranges. So you
mentioned Austin room. Mine of Austin room. If we spend
nine dollars on our first catcher, whomever that may be,
and also the room he goes for two dollars, we're
not getting. And that's not that we can't. That's not
a great example because it's one dollar more but the
idea is that you will stick to your budget in

(29:59):
that like the players players in my head don't matter
as much as the prices. Like I'm not going in
like here, I got this player, then this player, than
this player, than this player. I'm going and said, hey,
I got thirty bucks to spend a third base, let's
find the third Basically that comes closer to this. I'm
not saying I won't go to thirty one or thirty
two hoping that I can get, but I am saying

(30:22):
I won't go thirty five year that's too much for
me to spend. And because we've talked so much about
players and we are so well research, like you go
into an auction like, yeah, I have my color coded sheet.
Everybody knows this, but like in my head, like I
know this back in front, I could go out even
the draft without this. And he's like, all right, I
know the guys. I know you can do even better

(30:43):
than I can. I know I don't have to go
into a draft with internet at this point, because you
know who you like going into a draft. Whoever, we said,
oh we go, we'll add to a bar with the
Hooters many years ago to do a draft the Internet sucked,
so I was like, all right, let's I mean, the
wings are terrible. It was an awful situation. Woters does

(31:03):
not make good food disgusting. So I guess we're not
going to Hooters tomorrow. Imagine that's really want to go out. Um,
I mean that's how But anyway, we don't need the Internet.
Like we're good enough in our heads, not good enough
as a game player, but like smart enough, like we
we know what we're clearly not good enough. I don't

(31:23):
know that we finished higher than like eighth place in
his tenth place in this league. So the point being,
that's how I like to build a roster instead a draft,
like here's how much I want to spend. Let's come
as closer doing that as possible, and then ad just
the numbers throughout the draft. Frank, you look at it
entirely differently than me. I wouldn't say entirely, because I
think that your your head is right, Greig. The problem

(31:45):
is that you have to figure out beforehand the players
that you like first, because you can't just say I
want to spend X amount of money at this position.
Why I think you have to figure out the player
that you like first and then fit the money to
that and then move on for there. We'll talk about
it more after the break. Yeah, I think phrase plans
just way too rigid. We'll speak about this in a moment.
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And and you, Frank, of course, I mean it's I
mean I didn't include myself in that because it's it's
quite easy to do that. As we said, let's take

(33:41):
it back here now. As we said going in the break,
Frank and I have two different um mindsets. Greg. The
problem with your mindset, certainly mind is wrong. That's not
very nice. Well, you're wrong, you're and I'll tell you
why you're wrong right now. Why wouldn't you match the
price that you want to pay per position to the
players that you like, because if you just automatically and

(34:02):
this is what I didn't understand the other day when
you were telling me he's like, well, let's figure out
how much we want to spend at each position. The
problem there is what happens if you just randomly pigeonhole
yourself too, Oh well, I want to spend ten dollars
at second base. That completely put you out of the
running of Azzi Albi's if that's someone that you want.
I think, first and foremost, you have to figure out
the players you want most at each position, and then

(34:22):
you have to match up the salary to that. And
then at the end of your prep, if the money
doesn't add up, or you realize throughout the course of it, like,
all right, I'm spending too much at each position, then
you have to find another player within a different tier
of cost that you do like. Because you're not gonna
be able to have a twenty plus player at every
single position, you have to figure out where you want

(34:43):
to pay down at certain spots. The problem is, Greg,
I think the way that you're trying to plan this
is you have to figure out the players that you
like most. You have to figure out the targets that
you want on your team first and foremost, and you
match the salary at the position you want to spend.
Agree I agree to a certain respect in that, yes,

(35:04):
if you put ten dollars or second base, he can't
get ausilitis. But again, like I was mentioning, you know
the guys that you like, right, like it's in your head.
You know the guys that you like in general, but
you might not know how much they cost in terms
of auction value until you look it up. But I
don't want to be so rigid, Like what you do
is you write down one or two players. What if
you don't get one of the two players, and then

(35:24):
everything act that you know? I mean, I think you
have to have backup plans in place. Great, but like
you're gonna have a plan, backup plan, backup ban black,
backup plan. I'm not gonna do that. I'm like, all right,
I gotta range you. This is how much money If
I think third base is where I want to spend
up because I really like the guys the third base,
which I will know going into the draft, that's what
I'll spend up one and if for whatever reason, at
third base, I'm gonna put the list now. If at

(35:46):
third base, for whatever reason, Vladimir Guerrero Junior is going
for way less. But it was part of the plan.
He wasn't one of the names we wrote down we had.
We planned instead to go up to Manny Machado and
a guy we've talked a lot of that here. Right,
let's say many Machado's not off the board yet in
the auction, but Vladimer Guerrero is going for five dollars

(36:06):
less than we think he should go that we have
allocated at that spot. We both like Vladimir Guarrero. I
know that we pounced right there. I don't have a
problem with that. And and where that can come in
is greg you can have two different plans set up
where all right, if if things work out the way

(36:27):
I think they are, then I'm probably gonna spend down
at second base. Right, you can have that idea, But
then you can also have all right, well, you know,
if I do get of VLADIMC. Guarrero Jr. Here and
I do have extra money to spend. Let's say I
planned on spending you know, seven or eight dollars at
second base, and you get Vladim mcgaro. Then you can
know in the back of your mind, now I have
money to spend for a second basement. So you can
have those and the only way I think that you

(36:48):
could be fully prepared for that is if you kind
of have that plan set in place, so as you
kind of have backup plans as well. And that's where
we disagree. Like I think that you can and you
can have those at East. I mean, it's not a
problem if you write down all right at second Baseman,
I eiven either want you know, a fifteen dollar details
on le Mayhew or I want um five dollars sees
are Hernandez if I spend up somewhere else. I don't

(37:10):
know that I have to get five dollars sees are
Hernandez if I get Vladim mcguarrero Junior rather than Manny Machado.
That I know, I have a little bit more money
to spend than I could go up to d J
LEA Mayhew. And you can kind of have that mindset
ready to go beforehand. And that all comes with planning
out your aesome. So I I agree, right, I agree,
like that should be the plan, but it means we
have more work to do. I don't. I don't agree

(37:32):
with that. We have discussed this auction for weeks. At
this point. We keep saying we gotta plan it out.
We gotta plant it out. What are we been doing
even the last month, we've been planning it out. But
here's the problem, Greg, and maybe this is ultimately what
you're trying to the point that you're trying to get to,
is that we have players that we know that we
really like. What if we get praised out on those players?

(37:54):
But that's why you have to have backups. We're gonna have.
We're obviously gonna have backups. We obviously well obviously pivot,
but you have to have, in my opinion, Gred, you
have to have, especially if you're playing Rhodo, you have
to have backup plans in place for similar categories because
you have to know where you're getting your stats from
before you enter the auction. And I think this is
a good point that frame brings up because it's different
than football, right where it's not you just I mean football,

(38:16):
you're just trying to get points. Like maybe it means
the same thing within position, you know, like oh, I
have to get a wide receiver one, but like say,
oh I plan on getting Michael Brentley as my outfitler three.
You know he's gonna give me a two nine plus
batting air and your backup plan is all right, Well,
if I missed out on Michael Brantley, I'll get Brian
Reynolds because I think he can offer a similar skill set.

(38:36):
That's what we're talking about. But you have to have
that plan in place, because as of right now, I'm
looking at our plan and we have no it's not
it's not just no speed. I thought I kind of
figured out that problem the other day. Um, but like
we have a lot of just one player written down
at each position, so we kind of have to figure
out our figure out our backup plans. For me, I
go back to what our plan was for pitching and listen,

(38:58):
I'm gonna talk about it on the acts. We've talked
about it a lot like do we pay up for
Garrett Cole and Jacob Degram? Where do we other people
have the same exact r they're trying to figure out
right now. That's why I'm bringing up, so do we
pay up for Jacob de Gram or Garrett Cole or
go somewhere a little bit lower? And to me, my
answer in that we see with the prices, we see

(39:18):
with the prices for all these guys, if all of
a sudden. Max Scherzer, who you know, we haven't heard
any negative thing on in twenty four hours. If it's
kind of scared me, I don't know. Maybe Max is
a great example. Steven Strasburg is better example because he's
healthy right now. Put that guy in a bubble the
way that people are falling right now. So Steven Strasburg,
all of a sudden, he's like thirty three dollars. We

(39:42):
gotta be able to be like, look at each other
and be like, we're in. That's it, we're in. Let's
do it. Even though he's not written down. He's not
going to be written down, and then their entire your
plan changes because we do like Stephen Strasburg. The problem
with just the problem with just price and for four
sea the sake of price price, you have to like

(40:03):
the player too, because you don't want to get stuck.
You don't want to bid on Steven Strossberg just because
say he's going for thirty three and you have him
for as a you know, whatever program you use wherever
you get your your auction prices from my head and
they had and they and that tells you Steven Strossberg,
I know for a fact is a thirty five dollar player,
and he's going for two cheap right now. But if
you don't actually like Strassburg for this upcoming season, or

(40:25):
if you have any sliver of doubt, do not price
and force just for the sake of I think, no question,
you don't price and force just the price and force
because he obviously, especially when you've already spent a lot
of money, you don't just do that and be like,
oh my god, now I oh well, I got Garrick
collin Strasburg. There goes seventy five dollars on my budget.
That's totally different than what I'm saying. But for a

(40:45):
first starter, if all of a sudden, Steven Strasburg there
a thirty three and in your mine and in my
mind what it's worth he's going for in the NFPC. Really, Greg,
I brought this up to you. Ain't Bieber is going
for thirteen dollars less than guys than de Gram and
Cole Poling Right now? Well, that's that's you problem, is it?

(41:11):
I think Shane Bieber is better throw you problem? Why
is that? Because we're in a draft together? Oh well,
then we're not getting either one of those guys. Hey,
Jack Clarity, don't like him either. So I like Bieber,
you like Strasburg, And I don't know. Do you like
Jack Clarity yea, j Clarity. I just I don't buy

(41:33):
into the second half as much you do buy in
the second half. Another players like who full season, No,
he was bad in the second half, Greg, he was
get in the first half. That example. I mean, if
you notice that I've remained consistent for a lot of
these guys that just kind of broke out in the
second half, like you Darvish, I'm not really on Darvish either,

(41:54):
and maybe that's maybe you know, that's a problem with
my mindset right now. But I don't like to just
forget what happened in the first half, right Like Jack
Fierty is probably gonna still be really good. Ramirez I
do like. But the thing is he has a track record, Greg,
that shows that what he has done in the what
he did last year in the second half, Josie Ramirez

(42:16):
is something he has done in the past. Jack Flaherty,
what he did in the second half is something he
has never done before at the major league. That is true,
and he like had this. There are reasons to doubt it, though,
like is the fastball as good as it was in
the second half last year? Like is his command nearly
as good as it was? Or did he just really
run into a hot streak in terms of his command?

(42:37):
I mean I I just personally have doubts and he
could probably still pitch like a mid three z R
A and be fine, But I don't think that's worth
a second round pick or thirty three dollars right now,
which is his auction price rather Strassburg. Sure, I would
rather Shane Bieber at Jospery is the cheapest of these guys, Yes,
and also the most injury prone. That's sure. Then that

(43:01):
right now he's healthy though now now, but that guy
in the bubble right now he is, he is healthy.
So there you go, like two different minds and say
they think ultimately you're right when it comes to the categories,
like you don't hear that often like if we don't
get speed, if our top outfielder, for instance, we think
there's a really great price on j. D. Martinez a
good example, we both like j D. Martinez, know you're

(43:23):
right on him, and like we're just like, wow, this
price is awesome. And that wasn't part of the plan
he goes for like twenty eight dollars. Let's say, like,
let's do it. We're in and our other our top
outfield in our heads or someone with speed. We gotta
have a backup to that. We have to have a
plan in place. And I don't even mean just for
j D. Martinez. I mean for anybody like j D Martinez,
anybody that we do feel that one Soto, right, Bryce

(43:47):
Harbor six a couple of basis, But any of these
guys that we were going to plan on our top
outfielder spending some money or top of anything, spending some
money that wasn't that was not part of the plan.
We gotta be able to pivot somewhere a little bit later. Amost.
In my opinion, Greg, you almost have to make like
a tree, yes, and you have to figure out it's
like a chart, really right, Yeah, And and you have

(44:08):
to get yourself at the outfield position. If I wind
up getting Starling Marte, then I know that I could
get Marcella, I can get this outfielder who doesn't necessarily
give me speed, or I can get this power hitting outfielder,
I get this bad batting average outfielder. But then you
also have to have the other side of it, where
all right, if I get j D. Martinez and he's
the outfielder that I spend up on most for and

(44:31):
where am I going to get my soul and basis from?
I have to figure out, all right, well am I
gonna if I do get j D? Does that mean
I've been on two of Oscar Mercado, Iron Buxton, Um
Scott Kingery. You know, players like that are gonna give
you maybe stolen basis this season. You almost have to create,
you know, like you said, a flow chart or like
a tree. And it goes back to what I said, Greg,

(44:52):
It's like you you have to have a plan for
everything that you're going to do within the auction, even
if you want to. You have to know that if
if a player that you do like is going for
cheaper than they should, that yes, you can bid on
that player, but what is the cause and effect there?
You know, as a result of paying down from Machado

(45:12):
to Vladi mcgarrero Jr. Then all right, how how where
else am I gonna pay up for? At Now? You
have to have that almost in the back of your
mind beforehand going into the auction, because I think if
you just go in there, especially in Rodo again, and
you just sorry, I'm gonna get as many players as
I like. I know that I like Reese Hoskins this year,
Nelson Cruz uh and I like Maguela and du Har,

(45:33):
and I like J. D. Martinez. That's fine, those are
all great players. But at the end of the auction,
you're gonna look down and you're gonna say, huh, I
have home runs for days, I have no speed. I
think a flow like that makes sense, and maybe we
should do that. Maybe we should maybe not be specific,
but like, if we get this type of player, yes

(45:56):
we need to have backups here, and we get this
type of player, we should be able to go in
this direction, like in this tier of both category wise
and monetarily speaking. That makes sense. Yeah, very cool, let's
move on. UM. I don't know if we want that
was out of the idea. I had something he wants
an auction strategy specific you want to that, well, something

(46:16):
that I've spent the past couple of days looking into.
And I don't think that you should build your whole
team based around this. And actually I was listening to
Matt Modiqi the other day and Derek Van Righter. They
did a great job breaking the standard. Compete against dr
We are competing against DVR, so that should be fun.
But they did a good job of breaking this down
where I think you have to spend up on a
few players because there's a reason why you spend up

(46:38):
all those players. They're dependable. There there counting stats are
more bankable. I still want to find those players that
are going on for too cheap in auctions right now, Greg,
and you can go over to the NFBC and you
can look up average auction values and you can look
up auction prices, and like Fantasy Proslo fan Graphs, they
have it as well, and you can kind of see
a range of how much you can expect to a

(47:00):
for a single player and figure out which players Greg
can ultimately outproduce their auction value. So I don't think
you can make a whole team based on that, because
no matter what, you're always going to pay for players
that you lose value on people. A lot of people
don't talk about that because at the end of the season,
if you spend thirty five dollars on Starling Marte but

(47:20):
he only returns thirty dollars, in terms of value, but
still hits to eighty with thirty plus stolen bass. Did
he do for you what you wanted him to do?
The answer is yes. So even if you lose a
couple of dollars dollars of value on the player that
you spend up on, if you can make that up
incrementally at other spots by by looking at players and saying, like,
hory Seeger this year ten dollars average auction value. That's

(47:43):
someone who I could see having a monster year and
returning maybe twenty dollars worth of value. I think you
have to find some of those players, but also realize
greg that the players that you're spending up on you
might lose a few dollars of value, but you need
those bankable stats. Ultimately, that's what you need to agree
with that obviously, I just want to I just almost
want to think, though, that we need to be able

(48:06):
to have our own projections in a way, right, Like
we believe these guys, not what fan graphs or base
reference gonna tell us. We believe these certain guys will
outperform their number, their value. Like you and I really
really like Scott kingery Less say he's going to relate
twelve bucks like we think even easy now player, that's

(48:27):
something that you don't have to use projections by someone else.
I mean, just use common sense almost what we've talked
about all along great throughout draft season, and you can
you can correlate draft pick picks to how much players
are going for in drafts right now. Like obviously, if
you're a top three pick and fantasy you're close to
a fifty player. That's the correlation there. But something we've
continuously talked about, Greg is why do I want to

(48:50):
have a mid first round pick right now because I
want an ACE? Why do I want an ace? Because
there are hitters going in the second and third round
who are not valued the way that they should be.
So guys like j D. Martinez and Bryce Harper I
think can severely outperform their draft position. That means they're
also going to outperform their average auction value. Same thing

(49:10):
could be said for someone like Javier Bayas. So yes,
you need to find those players that you know, maybe
your projection, your personal projection is different from than a
fan graps of fantasy pros, whatever it might be, and
be aggressive on that player. Fair enough, all right? There,
you go. I feel we're prepared, even though we haven't
talked them anything, but I feel more prepared for the
auction tomorrow night Live. Hopefully he's do be a chent.

(49:33):
You will be here. I don't know if she will
be anymore. I think so all right, we'll find out
tomorrow because coaches up next night. Job by Sean Alex
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