2025 Rookie Tiers: Dynasty Trade Value & Rookie Draft Strategy (Ep. 238)

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast.
I'm Ryan Warmley, joined as always by Pat fitz Morris
and by Scott Bogman Fellows. We are talking rookie pick,
trade value, and strategy. Plus we're gonna run through our
rookie tears for everybody who is either already into their
rookie drafts or if you wait a week post NFL Draft,

(00:24):
you're starting next Monday. Maybe I know a few my
leagues are doing that. We'll get you ready for the
weekend of trading and then for the actual drafts for
yourselves coming up in the coming weeks. Guys, we've been
talking a lot already this week. We've let out a
couple of shows here in our post draft kind of
content machine as we kind of sit here and we

(00:45):
are taping this a few days early. But by the
time people have liteen this a couple of days, you know,
into the week after, you know, after the NFL Draft,
is there anything from what we saw you know, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
to even just today as we're taking this few day
early that you have already maybe started to change a
little of your opinions on players like oh, I was

(01:05):
really excited about this Lantic spot on Thursday night, But
now that I examined it a bit more, maybe I'm
less bullish on it or the reverse. Has there been
anything like that, Bogman that's happened for you in the
last couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I think I settled most of that when I got
my rankings done last night. There were some guys that
moved around. Initially, I hated the spot for Olie Gordon.
I've lightened up a little bit on that. I didn't
really like Detroit for Tesla Tesla, however we're saying his name.
I've lightened a little bit up on that. But I

(01:37):
don't know, not too much recently. I mean, maybe the
more press conferences and introductions and you know, some signings
post draft and trades post draft will change some opinions here.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
But I think I'm pretty locked in for the most part.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Fits I'm wrestling with a few guys where maybe I
liked the landing spot and the player and I wasn't
crazy about the draft capital like Devin Neil, for instance.
Should I just take the NFL's sign that he didn't
go until the sixth round, and you know, should that
dramatically alter my perception of Devin Neil, who I really

(02:18):
like pre draft, and I actually like the landing spot
in New Orleans where I think he has an excellent
chance to be out Kendre Miller and Clyde Edwards Hilaire
and be the primary compliment to Alvin Kamara. But you know,
here's that flashing yellow lighter, maybe a red light the
NFL is throwing up at us, saying, eh, sixth rounder,
maybe you shouldn't be so high on him.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
For the running backs though, FITZI, it's got to be
just because this class is so deep, right, Like you
knew she's gonna be six seventh undrafted guys that you
even like landing in some spots. And we did our
mark a couple of days ago, and we had an
undrafted free agent drafted in that five rounds that was
Rocket Sanders by were Melli over there, So yeah, it

(03:02):
was it was a super deep class. So I think
I think I'm more concerned about that for some of
the quarterbacks that I liked, But I don't know, teams
just weren't drafting quarterbacks. Now the coaches have them. Now
it's out of the GM's hands, so it's all on
the coaches and who you think is gonna make it.
They're in the league now.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
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are up and to claim your prize. All right, guys,
where we want to start with the episode is the
rookie tiers, because I think that's one of the most
interesting conversations. It's one of the most fun conversations for
me every season once we get the actual draft in
landing spots and we can start thinking about where do
these guys really line up? And I think you we

(04:44):
used the only place to really start. And by way,
we're not going to like tier you round four and five,
So this will be primarily the first couple of rounds
that we're we're want to kind of designate where we
see these tiers. Is Ashagen d a tier of one?
And I think I know the answer based on the
way every mock draft is gone the entire season. Is
there any case to be made for somebody else in
that tier? Camp Ward in a super flex? Is the

(05:06):
one on one anything?

Speaker 5 (05:07):
Or is it a tier of one?

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Fits it's a tier of one worm And just to
give you an indication of how how much he stands alone,
I got an offer in our Fantasy Pros Dynasty league
the other day from our defending champion, who offered me
Romo Dunes every pick in this draft and every pick
in next draft. He was drafting at the in the

(05:31):
twelfth spot this year for genty and I turned it down.
I mean, I just like, I don't have room for
that many guys. For one thing, I'm not smitten early
on the twenty twenty sixth class from you know, I'm
looking at it from a periscope at this point, but
it doesn't look super super appealing. Better quarterback class than
we had this year, but otherwise, eh, So yeah, I

(05:54):
turned it down. I mean, I just think Genti's value
over average has the potential to be so immense. And
even if I get this huge volume of picks, how
much value over average am I going to be able
to accrue with all those picks, many of which were
you know, third, fourth, fifth round picks. So yeah, I

(06:14):
think it's gent and then a huge drop off, and
I would think that what gent is the one oh
one and maybe ninety five percent of all Dynasty rookie drafts,
and maybe there are a few super flex drafts were
whoever sitting at one oh one is QB desperate and
wants cam Ward.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
But man, I can't imagine going any other direction.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I'd be curious to see the numbers. Like when you
said ninety five percent, that sounded low to me, honestly.
Maybe that's my Maybe that's my brain of like hosting
the show we talk about all the time, like kind
of being in on the expert side of things.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Maybe that kind of colors my perception.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Of how most leagues will go, because they're probably are
leagues where they're like, it's super flex and I need
a quarterback.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
He was a number one pick in the draft. He
was one of the sixth pick.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Like, I'm sure there are kind of more casual leagues
at that perspective, but like I feel like I will
be my job will be on the floor if any
of my leagues he's not the one on one.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, I'm a little surprised fits he turned down the
Ricky Williams deal of like all the picks this year
and all the picks next year. But I'm also not surprised,
Like Ashton Genty is so good. He is a tier
of one, and the only other time that he's not
number one is when it's a desperate play, like someone
just they have three really good running backs and they

(07:35):
have to have the quarterback to even compete because it's
super flex or something like. Desperation adds to a tier
to some people. But I don't know that I'm gonna
see Gent not go number one. I have a league
with duplicates I told you about where it's thirty two teams,
but every player can be drafted twice as long as

(07:55):
it's not by the same team. I expect Gent to
be pick one and pick two.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
It's just that's the way it is. And Gent is
by far and away the best player in this draft.
Is it gonna work like that? Maybe maybe not. I
mean we've seen plenty of can't missus miss so that
has happened in the past. But I would bet I
would bet two drafts worth of picks on Ashton Gent.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
It's funny.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I offered Debro a very similar trade in one of
our dynasty leagues where I have the twelfth pick this year,
and I didn't offer two drafts worth, but he was like, Hey,
one of one's on the clock.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
I really need a running back in that league.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
So I was like, Hey, I'll give you my whole
draft for the one on one if you want it,
because Debro is a type who likes having those round
two and three picks and taking a lot of swings.
And he declined it quickly, which I would have done
you if I was in his shoes. I was not
offended by the rejection, but I was like, Hey, if
you want my entire draft, I'll give it to you
for Gent. So that was only half of what Fits
was offered.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
I want to ask us.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Quickly on Gent, is there a chance that he winds
up being RB one in Dynasty at any point or
do you think I would want to say, and is
there a chance? Because they're clearly is what percent chance
do you think there is that at some point we
consider him RB one and Dynasty.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Fits thirty I was gonna say thirty three percent, like
one third. He's one third of the best RB, Like
I still have Saquan ahead of him, because Saquon could
have just won you a league, right Like I think
for two seasons, Saquan is still the best running back
in the league. But Bijon and Gibbs are amazing too,
and he's in that group with those guys, so I

(09:29):
think he has a good chance of any to be
the number one player on the board. So you know, uh,
he definitely goes in that group, so he gets a
third of the votes.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
To me, Bogman, how big is tier two?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Tier two for me in a super flex is going
to be four players deep. I have Ward, Hampton, Hunter,
and McMillan. That is my tier two fits that.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
I'd maybe.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Man, I would maybe go a little. I'm not sure
whether to split this up. I like the next eight
players after that with five more running backs Hampton, Henderson, Judkins, RJ. Harvey,
Caleb Johnson plus tet and Travis Hunter and cam Ward.
It's whether you want to split that into two two.

(10:23):
Maybe you can.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
I try to convince you sure, Okay.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
So here's why I split it is because I think
Hampton is way better than the next not way better.
He's a better running back, He's a more complete and
guaranteed three downs more than the other backs to me,
and the wide receivers like typically the wide receiver careers
last longer, so I have them just ahead of those

(10:48):
guys slightly of the Henderson's, Judkins and that group. And
you know, cam Ward is the only QB in this
class that is going to start day one and is
a pretty sure thing to hold that job for at
least two to three seasons, right, So that's why I
have it split between that and then the next group.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
I mean, I love Hampton, I've never wavered on having
him as my RB two in this draft class. But
how confident am I supremely confident he's going to have
a better career than Traveon, Henderson or Coin shown Jodkins
not supremely confident?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
No, I guess like maybe I should have asked you
guys this to the top of the show when you
evaluate tiers, like what your main criteria is? For me,
the criteria I think about is, in most leagues, would
anybody be able to justifiably make the case to take
somebody over somebody else. If the answer is yes, they

(11:44):
should be in the same tier. I feel like in
every league I'm going to be in, and in most
leagues that we see, like maybe not ninety five percent
of the leagues that are going to see Genent one
O one, but I feel like in the majority of leagues,
Hampton is going to go over any running back not
named jen and Travis Hunter and Teed McMillan are going
to go over any other wide receiver. So to me,

(12:06):
those three and then throwing cam Ward as the one
quarterback in this conversation are in their own tier, because
I don't think you're going to be hearing a lot
of cases made for the other guys ahead of him.
It is possible, we talked about on an earlier show
this week in Front of the Show, Heath Cummings does
have Travon Henderson in that group and quinnchn Jenkins two,
I believe.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
So there will be people out there.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I'm not saying it's completely unanimous, but I feel like
for the most part, it will be heavily geared towards
those three names plus cam Ward.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
And if they had told me, like, look, the Jags
are drafting Travis Hunter to play wide out, he's never
playing corner at all, he would be my number two.
I would even have him ahead of Cam Moore. So
I'll just say that in terms of like the upside
for Travis Hunter, but obviously that's not the case. He's
going to play cornerback. He's going to have more shots
to get hurt. I just love the potential of Travis

(12:55):
Hunter and then Teed McMillan. I mean, I love the
scenario and I think he fits perfectly with Bryce Young
and the defense sucks. They're gonna have to go point
for point for at least this year, probably next year
as well. They improve their defense, but I don't think
it's going to change overnight. So love Ted, but I
also don't like. I'm not gonna sit here and argue
strongly against FITZI not having a break in this tier.

(13:20):
I understand there's a lot of upside with these running backs.
It's a good class up at the top of running backs,
So I get it.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Let me ask you guys this and tight end premium.
Do Loveland and Warren break into the second tier behind
Chanty first?

Speaker 6 (13:36):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (13:36):
For me, the I think Warren I don't. I would
have to think about.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
You're horrified by the landing spot and Daniel Jones and
Anthony Richardson throwing the Tyler. Warren, yes, very much miserable.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
They could take Nussmeyer next year and just change everything
and then it's a good quarterback for four targets.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I'm not saying he definitely wouldn't be in there. I
would need to think about it. Loveland definitely would be
in Tier two, ENTI in premium, like, I would not
hesitate to put him there.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
I would put him both in there. I don't particularly
love the landing spot for either of them. I love
the landing spot for Colson Lovelin in the fact of
like he's going to be with a very good OC
and a potentially good corner, but it is crowded with
lots and lots of talent in there. And then Warren,
you know, you have three other guys that get the

(14:24):
ball first and nobody can throw, So that's a tough spot.
But tight end premium, I mean one and a half perception,
especially if it's a full point more for those guys, Yeah,
I think they have to sneak in there.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Fits Remind me, who were the names that you said
you had in tier two beyond Wardhampton, Hunter, McMillan, how
many more were there?

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yeah, if I wanted to get real generous behind gent,
it would be Hampton, Ward McMillan, Travis Hunter, Traveon Henderson Quin,
Shawn Judkins, RJ.

Speaker 6 (14:49):
Harvey, and Caleb.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Johnson, none of the wide receivers other than McMillan and Hunter.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
No, okay, so not the receivers, just all the kind
of additional those running backs. Yes, Bogwin, you have in
your tier three. Moving beyond those four, you do have
those those first three running backs, not having Caleb Johnson
in there, which I do kind of disagree with. But
then you have those three receivers in tier three fits
for your tier three. So beyond all those running backs,

(15:17):
is it just that trio receivers? Is there anybody else
that you throw into that tier three? I guess maybe
the tight ends.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yeah, both tight ends A meccag Buca, Luther Burden, Matthew Golden,
and then I would throw in Jackson Dart for superflex,
even though I'm not a huge Jackson Dart fan, Cam
Scattabow and Trey Harris. I think there's kind of a
firewall after Trey Harris at seventeen overall.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Okay, I'm just a little more granular. Tier three is
the three running backs Henderson, Judkins, Harvey and then Golden,
Eggbuka and Burden. And then in tier four I have
both tight ends, although I do have them at the bottom,
I have Harrison Higgins ahead of them, Skataboo and Caleb
Johnson out of him, and then Jackson.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Dart, so that's actually reverse.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
But twelve it goes Dart, Johnson, Scattaboo, Higgins, Harris, Loveland, Warren.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
For me, I would be closer to Bogman in terms
of my tier breakdown, except for I would have both
Caleb Johnson and Loveland up in tier three. I do
think like they separate for me from the other names
you just listed Dart, Skattaboo, Higgins, Harris, Like I'm taking
Loveland and Caleb Johnson over those two every time. But
to a agree, it depends on how big you just

(16:29):
want to make the tears, because obviously it's a similar
order for there's some differences. It's a similar order, but
just where you want to break it up. I do
see tier three is a bit smaller, I think than
fits is laid out with those receivers. I do just
want to ask, do you see it as a kind
of personal preference between Matthew Golden and mechag Buka and
Luther Burden, or if it's do you feel strongly about

(16:51):
the order those guys should be drafted.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I like Egbuca significantly more than Luther Burden and Matthew Golden.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
I mean they're.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Separated by I've got Eggbuka tenth overall and super Flex
Burden thirteenth, Golden fourteenth, and I just I feel like
Agbuka is safer and there's a case to be made
that maybe he belongs ahead of r J. Harvey, well
not ahead of r J Harvey, maybe ahead of Caleb
Johnson didn't love the landing spot since Tampa Bay seems
so flushed with guys who seem like they should primarily

(17:19):
be slot receivers. But just the long term runout for
a Buca's career, I'm pretty optimistic about it.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
I think he's going to be a high floor guy.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Mean, is there anybody that we didn't hit on in
this tier that you feel it's worth kind of diving
deep r on or do you want to move on
to the next year.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm pretty agnostic in terms of like the order of
those three wide outs. I'm fine with them, and I'm
also ahead of them going you know, I'm also fine
with them going ahead of the running backs too, if
that is like your your big need. I just I
like this grouping obviously if it's an eye, fundamentally disagree
on Matthew Golden, even though he's gonna be rooting harder

(17:55):
for him than I am now, which is kind of funny.
But yeah, I like I think Buka has the highest
floor out of that group. I think that's fine to say.
I just don't want to. I love Burdens so much,
I don't want to kill him for the landing spot.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
Golden to me feels like the easy three out of
those three.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Like I I that's fair.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
I'm not interested in Golden relative to those two.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
I just I think if everything breaks right for these guys,
I think Golden is probably the best.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
We talked about this on a previous show this week
about how it's the ultimate test of analytics versus film
because the film guys love Golden, the analytics guys hate
Golden in his college production probom.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'm not saying it's gonna break that way. I just think,
if everything breaks right for all of these guys, Golden
is the number one in Green Bay with Jordan love
for a while, and that's a good place to be sure.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
If we can replicate that game against Georgia in every
Green Bay Packers game, every Packer game, Bogs I'm gonna
be really, you're.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Gonna throw analytics right out the window. That's what's gonna happen.
If it happens, absolutely A Y or.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Three for Bogman was Henderson, Judkins, Harvey, Golden, Nigbuka, Burden,
and then tier four was Dart Caleb Johnson, Scataboot, Higgins,
Trey Harris, Colson Loveland, and Tyler Warren. I think we
are all in agreement, and that's eighteen names we've gone
through so far. I don't think any of us is
trying to make the case for anybody after those eighteen
inside the top eighteen. So one lesson I would take

(19:20):
away from this. If you're looking to make trades in
your leagues, get inside the top eighteen. Within that top eighteen,
we have various tiers that we are interested in and
might care about one more or the other.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
But I think that top eighteen is pretty set.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Did I miss one? I thought we were talking about
seventeen here and not eighteen. Who would be the final
guy in that group that.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
You didn't have? I had Skataboo in there? Did you
have him in there?

Speaker 6 (19:44):
I've got him.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
I've got Higgins, Harris Higgins.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Do you have Higgins in there?

Speaker 4 (19:49):
I do not have Higgins. Okay, so you guys, it's
eighteen for me, it's seventeen.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
To be fair, I'm not saying that Higgins belongs in
the same tier as like Caleb Johnson necessarily, which is
which Slid Bogmin has. But I do think I like
Higgins better than the guys next. I like Higgins pretty
definitively for me personally, better than Besh, Kyle Williams, nol Iomner.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
Like.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
I'm looking at the names that are coming up in
tier five for Bogman, and I think I like Higgins
better than all of them.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
And I'll just say just to point out why I
have Caleb Johnson and Cam's Kataboo in tier four not
in tier three is because I think they have a
really good back next to them. I think Tyrone Tracy,
we can knock on him for the fumbles all we want.
He's a very good back. I think Jalen Warren is
a very good back. I don't think the other three.
You know, we can call Stevenson a very good back.

(20:35):
He was a very good back. He seems like a
very old back right now, Judkins has another rookie next
to him in Samson. R. J. Harvey has effectively no
one next to him. Audre essme, I guess next to
him or Jalia McLaughlin. Not my favorite guys. So that
is why that's the difference in the running backs.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
To me, so we're seventeen or eighteen names in, depending
on which analysts you ask. Next tier, as Bogman has
it laid out and fits, I want to ask how
you differ from this Bogmin's next year. This runs from
player nineteen to twenty five, Jack Besh, Kyle Williams, Jalen Nole,
elk iomanor Jalen Milroe, ba Shol Tuton and Dylan Sampson.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
How does that differ from yours?

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah, I mean my next let's see. Uh so after
Trey Harris at seventeen, for me, then I've got Milroe, Bashell, Tuton,
Jayden Higgins, Besh, iyomanor and really probably I would cut
off the tier there and after that things start to
get sketchy. But I think things are kind of sketchy
like Trey Harris to me at seventeen, overall he is

(21:39):
the firewall and after that it gets dicey like Jalen Milroe.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
That puts Jalen Milroe as a mid second round pick.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
His value, no matter what he turns out to be,
it is not going to line.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
Up with the two h six in super flex drafts.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
He is either going to be a massive home run
or he's probably running holding up clipboard. Yeah, just like
you have maybe what a thirty twenty five percent chance
of like this being a smash hit pick, and a
very good chance that Jalen Milroll is not going to
be a starting quarterback in the league period after he

(22:16):
gets one taste of being an NFL starter.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
I was, it's funny you bring that up. Fits he
I was going to say, like in my top eighteen,
if there was a guy that I was sneaking into
that tier, it probably would be Milroe. I think being
a third round pick is just so much different than
being a first round pick. Obviously, at the quarterback position,
you can you can fade into oblivion pretty quickly as
a third rounder. You can't as a first round or

(22:41):
some team will think that, you know, all, we can
fix him.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Piece of people was talking about it's you know, it's
like the ladies that are like, oh, you know, bad boys,
I can fix him. You know, every OC thinks they
can fix the bad player. It doesn't work like that.
But everyone sees that he is just oozing with talent.
So he's the guy that I would probably put in
the next year if I if I had to add one,
But I don't know. I betch I like these scenarios

(23:09):
for these wide receivers. Each team needs a nice number
two here.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I think Bill Roe is a really smart pick in
this range if you're in super flex, because we do
see that drop off for the other players at o
their positions. So any of these guys to be Frank
has a chance of being totally useless in fantasy. But
we have reasons that we like some of them. But
like they all do, they all have a floor of
being a zero.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
So this is like Jalen Polk was in this group
last year, you know what I mean, like, and he
is nothing.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Every single year I get really excited about my picks
in like the late second round. I'm like, Wow, there's depth,
Like there's gonna be names here I really like, And
every single year that player does nothing for me as
a rookie. Lose a ton of their value. It is
like remarkably consistent, how much that happened. Maybe I'm just
picking the wrong players and I'm bad at this, but
it feels like every year those plays in that range.

(24:00):
I'm like, there's so many names I'm excited about, and
then some fourth round will be great. But all those
guys in like the late second, I just feel like
they fall for a reason and they never pay out well.
So like taking a swing of somebody like Milroe in
a super flex, unless you're absolutely loaded a quarterback, take
the swing, Like I'm I'm all in on that, the
more I kind of dive into this, Like I said,
we're not gonna go through every tier all the way down,

(24:22):
but just for this next year, there's a bunch of
names here. I'm not going to read them all. Some
of the names that stand out to me. Shuter Sanders
in this tier obviously could be a starting quarterback. He
did end up with Cleveland Jayden Blue I love He's
one of my favorite players in this tier given the
landing spot with Dallas and the skill set he brings.
All those day two tight ends are in this tier.
DJ Giddens, Tyler shook a couple of receivers here as well.

(24:45):
Fits Who else is in this tier for you?

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Did we h Kyle Williams and Jalen Noel the two.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
They were in the tier above for for Bogman, Okay,
you got him here, all right?

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Did we mention Dylan Sampson like guy I like in
this next? For me, it's basically guys who I really
liked pre draft and maybe wasn't enamored with the landing spots,
or guys who maybe I had as like sort of
fourth round graded guys pre draft but really liked the
landing spots. Whereas you know, Kyle Williams I wasn't quite

(25:17):
as in love with as other people were. But man
has a chance to contribute right off the bat here.
I'd also throw like the second tier tight ends in here,
Mason Taylor, Elijah Royo.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Would you put Fannin in with them?

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Like? Just like the receiving side is so huge, But
I know you don't like the landing spot.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
I still like him more than Terence Ferguson even though
he was drafted three rounds later, But I do not
have fann In like in that tier?

Speaker 2 (25:45):
In which tier are we in five or six for you.

Speaker 6 (25:48):
Oh man, I kind of lost track. I mean, I've got.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Like it's hard.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
It's hard because you guys have different size tiers. But
range I have Fan in thirty ninth overall, Okay, I
have Fan in thirty seventh, so we're in the same
area for sure. So yeah, this group, this is like
your upside group. Just take the upside right, Like DJ

(26:14):
Giddens is drafted in the sixth I or the fifth
excuse me, pick one fifty one post one fifty.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I still really like him. I know JT is in
front of him, but just take the upside.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
You know Jalen Royals I have in this group, Mason Taylor.
You know, Shador is not a fifth round player. Shador
is a second round player that teams didn't like, so
he dropped to the fifth right, maybe a third round
player at worse. So I still believe in him over
a guy like Tyler Shuck. So you're playing this is
the all upside Savian Williams. If he turns into bigger debo,

(26:48):
you know what I mean. If Teslav fits in Detroit immediately,
Pat Bryant, you know, could be the number one option
when Courtland Sutton is a free agent next year, so yeah,
this is the all upside tier to me.

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three and four, but I did just want to kind
of ask, is this the type of class where you
are looking to add later round picks as throw ins
in trades to help even out a deal, or do

(28:15):
you feel like maybe this crop it's less likely to
hit than other years and you should be more comfortable
trading them away fits.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
I'm not feeling great about the dart throws in the
fourth round and fifth round, at least the fourth round, guys,
those are steel tip darts. Fifth round is plastic darts,
Like you're gonna get something that just clang off the board.
And yeah, like when we did our mock draft earlier
this week, in the fifth round, it's like, oh boy,
you know, if I still have these guys in my

(28:45):
roster two years from now, I would be pretty happy
with that. But you know, fourth round there's some still
some interesting possibilities. That's where you know, I have guys
like Taj Brooks and Kyle Manogai who went in the
final rounds but when to interesting places, or Jarques Hunter,
who's kind of buried with the Rams but has fourth

(29:05):
round draft capital, or you know like Isaac Tesla, who
the Lions made a big move up to get. But
then you get to the final round and we're talking
about the guys like you know, Ali Gordon new looks
kind of buried where he is and might not be draftable,
Damie Martinez who had seventh round draft capital really disappointing.

(29:27):
You know, Jalen Lane, who I wasn't necessarily the biggest
fan of, but decent landing spot with Washington.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
So there are some interesting dart throws there.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
But I just think your odds with the fifth rounders
in this year's crop not great.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
I think we said it was something like the four
oh seven was the point where we all kind of
agreed this was the last you know, reasonable lottery ticket,
and then the rest Bogman uninspiring.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I'll say this though, like there's just not a lot
of consensus about the next class. So I almost would
rather my shots at twenty seven and twenty six if
we're you know, counting these before. But I don't really
want to be trading into twenty six. It doesn't mean
I like the end of this class, but I don't

(30:12):
like what we see and look, a lot of it
is gonna we have a full year, a lot is
going to be separated, and it's gonna look way better
than it does right now. But it's a quarterback right now,
it seems like a quarterback heavy. And then every other
position is coming in as maybe's who is going to
stand out this year.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
For that reason, I probably would most of the time
just keep my picks and see if some of these
guys work out, specifically running backs, Like I'll take my
shots at running backs in this class. I hate that
Damian Martinez was in the seventh, but you're not getting
Damian Martinez in the seventh next year, So I'll take
some of these RB shots for surely.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Had somebody like Martinez, I mean, let Seattle, there have
been some rumors about them having interest in trading Kenneth
Walker if he goes all of a sudden, Martinez earns
this spot as a backup to Sharbonay, Like, that's a pretty.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
Interesting place to be.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
So like, I think, if you like the talent some
of these guys, it's still worth making these picks. But
I wouldn't be aggressively trying to add like, oh, come on, man,
you just throwing your late fourth for me because the
class is so deep. That's not how we feel about
it this year. I think that late third, early fourth though,
I do like I like a Jordan James a lot
with his landing spot. We talked about Brooks and Minanga

(31:25):
type Felton. We like the player, even if it's not
an ideal landing spot. There are players that will be
interested in that late third, early fourth round. You know
for sure when evaluating the board, I kind of asked
you guys kind of answer this already. But in terms
of trading into the twenty twenty sixth class, I totally
agree about trading twenty twenty seven. If you are a
rebuilding team who is looking at stockpile picks and you

(31:49):
have like three good players and you just want to
kind of fire sale and resell, it's going to be
easier to acquire twenty twenty seven picks because people are like,
that's forever from now. Like, I'm not thinking it's always
easier to get the picks a year in advance ants,
but those who are paying attention will tell you that one'
twenty seven class has some studs in it Jeremiah Smith
Ryan Williams Like, if I can acquire a twenty twenty

(32:09):
seven first and I'm not competing right now, I'm very
I'm almost willing to overpay value to get those picks
because I think that's going to look really smart a
year from now.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Fits people know where I think it would be easier
to trade for a twenty twenty six first rounder than
a twenty twenty seven because, like the smart Dynasty managers,
the kind of people who are watching this show, like
our followers, they know about Jeremiah Smith and Ryan Williams,
Like that's no secret. Yes, Like it's great to have
extra first rounders in twenty twenty seven, to have an

(32:39):
extra lottery ticket for one of those two guys.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
But people know.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
I mean maybe they do.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
I feel like the people in the industry who think
about this, No, I think a lot of the leagues
I'm in a lot of people play it year to year,
and maybe our audience is playing in more kind of
in depth leagues where everybody is really knowledgeable. Bogan, I
don't know what your experience is. I feel like my
experience is you can take advantage of that. So if
you're watching this show, maybe you can get a leg

(33:07):
up on a more casual league.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
But maybe that's wrong. Maybe I'm being optimistic for our listeners.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I'll just say this, like it looks great right now,
but it's two years away. Ryan Williams tears his knee.
Jeremiah Smith slows down, like it's two full years away.
Pat has made this point on many of these Dynasty
shows that we've done together. It's like, you're also you
have to bake in waiting two years for these picks

(33:34):
to pan out and do anything, and that's if you
pick right. So like, there's just give me the shots now.
I'd rather take the shots at the end right now
in most cases because at least I know the players.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, I'm specifically talking like if you were, like, I know,
I'm rebuilding for the next year or two and sure,
and I'm not even saying it for like a twenty
twenty seven to fourth I'm saying, like, if you're trading
a good player because you're rebuilding and getting a first back,
that's the scenario where I would recommend it.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand that, And I think twenty
seven is gonna better than twenty six. But I mean,
who knows. Maybe uh true, Maybe Haines is really good.
Maybe Malchai Hughes like is amazing. Maybe some of these
tight ends like Delp you know the kid from Arkansas too,
I forget his name. Like, maybe some of these kids
are really really good, and then you have Arch and
nuss Meyer and Lenora's Sellers all work out next year.

(34:24):
Maybe next year is much better than we think.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
This year is obviously not the year to overhaul your
quarterback room in Superflex because it's it's cam Warden question marks.
So if you're I'm not opposed to trading for twenty
twenty six first rounders if quarterback is a weakness for you,
because you've got the guy's bogs just mentioned most likely

(34:46):
Arch Manning, Leonora's Sellers, Garrett Notsmeyer, Drew Aller, kid Klubnik like,
there are two or three other really intriguing prospects. So
we know some of these guys will fall by the way, Nico.
Some of these guys will have bad years and not
be regarded as highly next year as they are now.

Speaker 6 (35:05):
But there's or.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Maybe or maybe Arch says, I want to wait till
next year's class because there's yeah, forty.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I think if they don't when the Natty Arch comes
back to.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Texas as well, see as it shapes up now, though
I tend to think that in Superflex in twenty twenty six, half.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
The first round picks at least are going to be quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I want to ask in terms of making trades, we
kind of talked about the top eighteen for two of US.
Seventeen for FITS is kind of like a clear group
if you can trade into.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Within that group.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Is I mean, we've kind of talked about the top
five as being pretty set in terms of what you're
going to see in most of your drafts. Do you
see the difference between that top five and let's say
pick six to ten as wide enough that you would
want to add a player to the eighth pick to
get up to the fourth, or even though it's kind
of clear the order it will get drafted, it seems like,
at least in terms of consensus ADP, is the gap

(35:56):
not wide enough that you're looking to make a trade
like that Fits.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
I see those two groups as being a little more
lumped together than the two of you do. I believe,
so I'm I'm probably not giving up too much to
go up from like eight or nine to four or five.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Bagman, what let me let me give you a scenario, FITZI,
if I offered you Rgie Harvey and Trey Harris for
Omari and Hampton, you're taking that deal. You're sticking. You're
sticking with your two guys. You don't want Omar and Hampton.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
That's a pretty fair deal, I would if I think
so too.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
If I needed, like if I was short on quality players,
you know, and just like needed additional depth, I'd be
really intrigued by that deal and might pull the trigger.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
And if you had a loaded roster, you'd probably feel
the other way, right, So exactly, yeah, I think it's
pretty fair. I think it depends on what your needs are.
I think in most scenarios you want multiple shots in
rookie drafts. So I'll just throw that out there, because
you know, it sucks when you put all your chips
in one basket and the basket breaks.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
So but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I still I think I want Omari and Hampton in
most scenarios. I just I want that upside swing because
I think he's so good. That's why I have the
tier break. But that's you know that's just a matter
of personal opinion, and it's not I'm not like angry
or I'm not rolling my eyes as someone who doesn't
believe that this is a talented group. These are talented

(37:27):
players up at the top. You know it fades off
pretty quick at the end, but I like a lot
of players in this draft.

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Speaker 3 (37:56):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Are there certain positions you're more interested in trading for
this year in terms of Like the example I kind
of wrote down was if you need a tight end,
should you be more aggressive for Loveland and Warren because
there's a drop off after that. Should you be more
aggressive if you need a running back into that top
five or six group. Are there certain positions that you
are more likely to trade for based not only on
your evaluation of the players, but rough adp of where

(38:18):
those players are going, Like this is a good year
to trade for X position or do you not see
it that way?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Bogman, I would say, like the tight ends specifically, I
think are huge to trade if you need a tight
end or your tight end premium. It's the top two.
And it's just so hard to predict. Even the guys
we think are going to be amazing. Kyle Pitts don't, Kincaid,
They don't always work out right. Laporta and Hawkinson work,

(38:44):
Bowers work, but not everybody works out So tight end
is such such a hard position to pin down. And
you know, after you get past Hawkins and it's like, okay,
hunter Craft's pretty good. Is Mark Andrew still good? Or
or is he old now right? Is Concaid anything? Is
pits anything? At this point in Djoku just had fannin

(39:07):
at it on top of him. So I think I
really wanted to take a shot at those tight ends
if I'm in tight end premium and I don't already
have a good one. Luckily for me, and I think
for Fitzy as well. We were so crazy, insane Hi,
I'll brock Bowers last year. I don't really have to
worry about tight end in too many leagues. I've got
my tight end covered here. But they're not all brock Bowers.

(39:29):
And that's kind of why I have these guys lower
in my overall too, is because it's just I've we've
I think all of us have done it. We've swung
and missed a tight end so many times, Like it
was great that Bauers hit, but we have just as
many misses as hits at this position. And I don't
want to over sell this position. It's a hard position
to transfer to, to translate to from college to the pros.

(39:53):
It's one of the harder ones. You have so many
moving pieces, you have so many different roles. So yeah,
I think specifically I like those two guys, but I
don't really like Mason Taylor. I'm not a big Ferguson guy.
Fannin is good. Don't love the spot right, So you
know a royo is developing. He's not a blocker at all.
So there's just the tight ends are tough. So I

(40:14):
think those two guys, and I think the fact that
there's only one quarterback here.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
I think you need to get cam Ward.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
If you need a quarterback, I'm not you know, I
like Jackson dart in first round picks last a long time,
but if I need someone playing today, I want to
go get cam Ward. So I would say those positions,
because they're thinner in this draft, are more important.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
To go get if you need them.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
What do you think fits?

Speaker 4 (40:37):
I don't think there's any dynasty rookie draft I'll be
in this year where I like send out a trade
offer with the intention of taking a wide receiver with
that pick, or a quarterback for that matter. It's just
not that class for these guys, Like those positions are
too thin. Tight End premium is a different animal, and
I might be aggressive to like make some sort of
move up for Lovelander Warren, but if it's not tight

(41:00):
end premium, I don't know. I just don't chase those
positions that hard. Like in my home Dynasty league, I've
got Dallas Goddard and Ben Sinnett and like nothing else
in my tight end room.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
It's pretty bleak.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
But I'm not looking to draft one of those guys.
I'm sitting at one oh five. I think in that draft,
I'm not drafting a tight end at one oh five.
I'm not looking to trade back to get one of
those tight ends and maybe add a third or a
second or whatever. I'll just like look to opportunistically draft
Mason Taylor or Elijah Royal or Harold Fannen later on.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
Do you guys feel like whether or not your team
is a contender versus a rebuilder makes a difference in
how you're approaching trading for rookie picks this year. And
what I mean by.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
That is, is this a class that you see generally speaking?
And every player is different, of course, but generally speaking,
do you see this as a class that is ready
to help you win now based on landing spot and
talent or is this a class of players that are
more on the Jalen Milroe track of you're taking them
for the future. This is not a year win now.
It will take a year or two to pay dividends.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Fits It depends how many of those top seventeen picks
you can get. You know, I've got in that I'm
sort of rebuilding in that home dynasty league, and I've
got three of the top seventeen right now. I've got
one oh five, two, two and two all five and
I'm pretty happy with that because I know that I'll
get three of those seventeen players.

Speaker 6 (42:24):
But am I looking to load up on third rounders
this year?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
No, not really, Bogman, Yes, same for me. I mean
I think that, you know, if you really want a
someone to produce for you this year, you probably even
need to get into the top like eleven, maybe even
the top five. But I think there's a lot of

(42:48):
really good players. I just don't like, how long is
it going to be until Caleb Johnson is getting more carries?
And Warren maybe early? What about Scatibo right like, how
how long is it going to take him? How many
weeks until Jackson Dart is a starter?

Speaker 5 (43:02):
You know?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Does Loveland push immediately on Cole Comet? These are just
they're not instant contributors, so maybe a little bit sooner
than eighteen even worm.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
If I can just add one thing about the third round,
this is a weird year where I thought the third
round was looking pretty good in the run up to
the draft, like in the pre draft, and it's weird,
like I didn't really hate that many landing spots this
year somewhere disappointing of course, but there are other draft
years where I've been like in a bad mood the
Sunday after the draft because the landing spots were so terrible,

(43:35):
where I'm just like, ah, man, these landing spots are
just awful.

Speaker 6 (43:39):
I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
I didn't feel that way this year, But now like
reassessing it and what the third round looks like, it's
not as exciting as I thought it was going to be.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
A month ago.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
We did that five round mock and we're all kind
of lukewarm on the back end after the middle of
round four.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah, kind of tough.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
Yes, we're all kind of shell shocked after having to
justify our picks the fifth round.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
I'll say this, like, if you're quarterback desperate, there's a
lot of nice shots at the end to take, right,
you think so? I think so, because there's opportunity for
a lot of them, right, Like you know, if you're
if you're looking at quarterbacks, I mean, who knows if
any of these guys play immediately right. But like we
all like Milrowe, we talked about him, Tyler Shook's gonna

(44:23):
get starts this year for sure. Will Howard only has
to beat out in Mason Rudolph to be back up
to you know, ancient ass Aaron Rodgers. I think that's
a good spot. Third round pick on Dylan Gabriel's nice
Quinn Yours behind a shaky tua in Zach Wilson, Riley
Leonard fits perfectly for what Indy does. They have two

(44:43):
guys that also run and can't throw the ball in
front of him. So like if you're just taking shots
your your quarterback room is decimated. It's awful. You know,
it's not gonna improve this year because this isn't the class.
I think, get in late and take some shots on
some of those guys, see if they out. If they don't,
they don't, you know. But I'm not trading high capital

(45:04):
in need of the next two drafts to get in there.
But if it takes me a running back that's just
lukewarm in my league to try to get one of
these guys or a wide receiver that is not a
starter for me. I think I would take a shot.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
All the quarterbacks you just mentioned, bog starting with Schuck
Will Howard on down. Are there any of them you
would rather have more than Joe Milton right now?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
I think Joe Milton would fit right into that group.
Maybe I would put you know what, I put Joe Hilton,
Joe Milton at the top of it because he's been
traded for right, and he has NFL experience already, So
I would put him ahead of that group because of that,
but not crazy high.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
I think he would be at the top of that group.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
So this is going to already have been news by
the time this episode gets released, because again we our
taping early, do some scheduling stuff. But as the time
of recording recording some breaking news. Deontay Johnson to the rounds. Oh,
they a little more training to get him zero.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
Yeah, that's just what that QB room needs.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Yeah, does that make us a little less excited about
Jerry Judy and Cedric Tillman.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
I'm gonna assume Deontay Johnson catches fewer than five passes
this year.

Speaker 6 (46:20):
Very good.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
I'm probably not going to be thrilled about the array
of quarterbacks, yes, throwing them the ball at least unless
it's Joe Flacco.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Why would they do this?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Like, I just don't understand that in that young locker
room outside of Joe Flacco, right, Like you're trying to
reset the tone here. You're bringing a guy that punched
his starting quarterback in the face in the locker room
at halftime of a game.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
It's just a bad move.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
I so so wish that we could get the Browns
on hard knocks.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Well, look, all he's got to do is be on
Cincy now. Again, He's run the gamut of the AFC North.
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
Yeah, man, they are not big on culture. They're a
parent that's not that's not a culture move. And you know,
if you're not a win now team, why why are
you doing that?

Speaker 5 (47:06):
So we're basically wrapped up.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
I do just want to kind of give you guys
the floor and ask you if you have any kind
of general tips for rookie draft pick trading approaches that
have worked for you in the past. This can be
specific to this year's class, or it can be something
that you just kind of like to do most years, like, oh,
I really if i've if I have the one ten,
I'd rather get two second round picks to make that pick.
Or you know, maybe that's a bad example, but whatever
it is, are there kind of general strategies Bogman that

(47:29):
you've pursued in the past with success.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I think what has helped me the most is, you know,
not just listening to us, look at your team tier
for your team, what do you need to add? Which
players do you need to add? Tier for your specific draft? Right,
get your own board going, and then know, oh, man,
I only have two guys left, there's some six picks away.

(47:53):
Let me see if I can move up, right. I
think that is kind of the best thing that That's
the thing that I've done that's worked the best for
me in the past is to make my own board
specific to my team needs and work from there. And
you know, teared out and if you need to move up,
move up, and if there's like nine guys and you're
in three picks, maybe you can move back and collect

(48:14):
an extra pick for a draft later fits.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
That's a great one, the tiering strategy, because you just
never want to get caught on the wrong end of
you know, when the shelf hits and there's a huge
drop off, and tearing kind of helps you avoid that.
And maybe seeing that shelf coming and trading out of it,
either just trading back like oh, this is going to
hit me and I just want to be rid of

(48:39):
this pick because I'm going to be disappointed with it,
or I need to move off package this and another
pick to go up a little higher. Just generally, like,
I found that engaging with fellow managers just sort of
an open dialogue. People will be surprisingly forthright about their
objectives and rookie drafts as just part of friendly conversation

(49:02):
about like what, what positions they're looking to add, where
they need help, whatever. Just having these conversations, not even
under necessarily starting them under the guise of being looking
for a trade, but things just kind of come up,
and sometimes when you hear another person's objectives, trade ideas
start to materialize and they might make sense for both parties.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
I think that's true.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
I find that I'm pretty willing to be honest if
somebody is like, hey, like, hey, I want to move up.
You know, oh, what are you trying to move up for.
I'm not I'm not trying to like lie to them
and like burn that bridge or like say, you know,
I'm not trying to sneak past them to get a player.
I'm like, you can look at my team and it's
obvious I need a running back, right, so I'm clearly

(49:46):
moving up for one of the running back. I'm negotiating
a trade in that manner right now in a different
league where I was like, hey, I need I need
a running back. I'll give you this player if any
of the six running backs gets there, because I I
don't think they're going to get to my pick.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
So you know, I think it's easier.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
There's no Adam Schefter for your fantasy league, you know
what I mean, Like you can't send out smoke signals
and lie.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
You know, you can't do what the Raiders did. All
we're not taking ash.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Yeah, I don't want to be too specific. I don't
want to tell other managers. Especially if I'm sitting at
eighteen or nineteen, then I think there's a huge shrop
off after pick seventeen, and that's why I'm desperately trying
to move off like three spots. So you know, you
don't have to be completely I think.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
I think earlier on it's easier to be honest because
everybody kind of knows, right Like I like, later on,
you have your favorite sleepers, so you might not want
to give that away and say I'm trading up for
this player because I think they are undervalued at their ADP.
But like everybody knows the roughly the fourteen or so
names that are that pool is what you're the first

(50:50):
twelve picks are going to be drawn from, right, Like,
there's not going to be too many crazy surprises, so
to say, Like clearly I need a running back. If
any of the four that are on the board or
get to that point, then I want to trade. I
think that's a lot more reasonable. Then later on, I
think I think I want to be less forthcoming about
who it is that.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
I yeah move for.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
But we have access to everyone's rosters. People can only
lie so much about like what they know. If you've
got a balanced roster, it might be interesting to get
your take on what year. But like some teams, Okay, dude,
your your third receivers Alec Pierce. Don't tell me you're
content with your wide receiver group right now.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
In this thirty two man league, I had to hit
up six different people. I'm trying to move up just
one spot to get a quarterback. This guy was up,
I'm like, can I what can I do to get
this pick from you? And nobody would trade it to
me until that sixth guy, And finally I got it
and it ended up being JJ McCarthy. That's who I
wanted and I was so happy because I needed another

(51:48):
quarterback option towards me. So I you know, it doesn't
all work out, but look, that pick looks great for
me this year, so we'll see.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
I had some some finagling with trades and four first
hun picks in the league last year, and I was
like being really smart about Okay, I had this guy
ring tire, but I know the guy who's picking between
my two picks doesn't need this, so I'm gonna got
this other direction. And I was really smart and I
ended up getting Jonathan Brooks with one of those picks
with my smart maneuverings.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
So yeah, you're right to it. I mean, I got
other good players. It was a successful draft, but damn you.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Before we wrap this, can we uh have the discussion
about trade etiquette about what Debro is doing right now?
Can we just publicly shame Deebro?

Speaker 1 (52:30):
I would love to, uh so in one of our
ninasty leagues, Debro.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
Traded for a pick.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
It was the one to oh seven, I think it was.
Uh he traded for this because we're already in our
Rickie draft, just traded for this pick, then sat on
the clock for over an hour sending out other trade
offers for people for the pick he just traded for,
and our friend Mike Mayer and I were messaging on
the side, what the heck like Listen, I like Debro

(53:01):
a lot as a person, I found that to be infuriating.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Get your act together, de bro.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
When you're on the clock if you want to like
make trades and negotiate, like, we have a slow clock
for a reason. I tend to think the reason is
for people's scheduling, not so you can sit on there
for four hours. But there's a degree negotiation. It's April, right,
we have time. I get it if you've traded for
that pick already to then turn around and send out
offers and try you know, you're flipping houses.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
But it's the one oh seven Like that is infurio.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
My dog just barked. He thought I was rude too, So.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
I'm glad he uh, I'm glad he agrees with that.
Any parting thoughts on rookie strategy, I think we kind
of hit it all right.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
I think we got it all awesome.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
We'll get yeah, go that's it.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Happy drafting everyone, and you know, any questions while you're
in the middle of your draft, hit us up on Discord.
Join the Fantasy Pros Discord and get direct acts us
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Twitter too.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
This is one of the most fun two week stretches
for Dynasty managers, so enjoy it.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
Please use us as.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
A resource if you have questions, or just check out
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don't want an explanation or a convoluted answer, just check
the rankings. You can do that too, but we are
available to help as much as possible, so best of
luck in these weeks of drafting.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
Everybody. For Fits and Bogman, I'm Ryan Warmley. We'll see
again next time.

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