Day-3 Rookies We Love | The 2025 NFL Draft’s Top 10 Sleepers w/ Brett Kollmann (Ep. 224) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Oh right, and welcome into the Fantasy Pros NFL Draft Show.
We are just two weeks away from the sports world
turning its attention to Green Bay, Wisconsin, and we're talking sleepers.
That's right, our favorite day three projected rookies who could
make an impact in your dynasty fantas Football League. I'm
your host, Seth Wilcock, and today I'm joined by a
man who believes that Draft Day is a better NFL

(00:24):
Draft movie than Jerry McGuire, noted Tom Cruise hater Derek Brown.
Ak de bro, what's going on today, Pal?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's with the TC hate. I love I love that
you started it off with that. And just for everybody
out there, I don't think Draft Day is that it
is an immaculate movie. I just think it's better than
Jerry maguire. And I love the quotables out of Jerry maguire, right,
the whole totality of that movie. Hey, it's you can
kind of.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Miss me with a lot of like, I don't know
what's more quotable, show me the money, or do anybody
go to his birthday party? Or you know, way cheap
note or like give me David goddamn Putney like.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Like you know about pancakes. You know, we're trying to
keep a g rate it. So I will give the
full quote, but everybody knows where I'm at.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
I will say, man, like the little kid, there's some
tear jerk and going on there, Jered maguire. That don't
think Draft Day moves the needle quite that way, but
maybe a guy who has some more opinions on that.
Who were joined by today the creator of the film Room,
co host of the Bootleg Football podcast Catching That, California son,
Brett Coleman. Good morning, Brett, Thanks so much for joining

(01:33):
us today. Your thoughts on this debate that's kind of
taken over my little internet world. He in your Draft
Day versus Jerry McGuire.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
I love Draft Day.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I watch it every single year on Draft a week,
usually like the Tuesday or the Wednesday of Draft okay,
you know, to kind of get me excited. And yes
it's unrealistic, and yes it's cheesy, and yes I eat
it up every single time because it's the only true
move we have about this process that we throw ourselves

(02:04):
into every single year, and you know, we take what we.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
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(02:29):
season starts, so we need your help to do that.
And all right, guys, go ahead, Let's jump right into
the NFL Draft sleeper, starting with Brett. Who you have
a big twelve receiver on deck for us? Who do
you got at the top of your Brett.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Save Ian Williams from TCU, and he is all over
the place, I think for everybody, because some people see
him purely as a running back. Some people see him
as like a big slot.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Some people see.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Him as like this debo type hybrid ish where it's like, yeah,
he's a receiver that we also give running back snaps too.
I am of the opinion that he is either going
to be one of the most effective weapons taken in
this class or somebody who gets probably like Vealis Jones,

(03:15):
amounts of touches depending on where he goes, right, Like,
let's say Saveon goes to Miami with Mike McDaniel to
be like that almost debo ish type guy for them.
I think that's a home run. I think he'd be
tremendous there. If he goes to a team that will
not use him like that, then I'm not really sure

(03:37):
if I would even touch him at all, like for fantasy.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Purposes, right, Like I need to.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
I need to have faith that his future coach has
a plan for him to give him schemed up touches.
That is not to say that he can't do other
things too.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Fun fact, on.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Catchable targets deep down the field, he had a contested
catch rate of over eighty five percent, so he does
actually have a pretty beefy contested catch profile to him.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
He's a big receiver as well.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
He did have a little bit of the dropsies early
on in the year, but keep in mind three of
those were in one game and they were all in
consecutive touches early on in the season, and then he
kind of got his act together and he.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Was totally fine catching the ball.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
So I look at him, and I see somebody who
immediately can contribute as an ultra explosive big with a
capital B versatile weapon that can line up in the backfield.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
They can line up in the slot.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
We could do the sweep stuff, we could do the
screen game stuff. And also, by the way, he can
win the ball down the field too. Again, he's got
to go to the right place that I think has
a coach that has an imagination. But if he goes
to that right place, like we could be looking at
a Day three receiver that ends up being a massive
contributor to his offense.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, de Bro, We've talked a lot about Saviing Williams
on this particular program throughout the offseason. Sonny Dyke's like
to really play this guy all over the field out whide,
in the slot, in the backfield, even as a wildcat
quarterback at times had a pretty decent combine. He's sixty
four two to twenty two pounds, ran a four to
four eight second forty time as well. But he does
have that gadget player label. And I think that's your

(05:13):
biggest concern with Savian Williams, am I correct, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
My concern, And I know we were talking before we
kind of turned the mics and the cams on before
you know, just Powell and before the show and stuff
like that. My problem with Savion Williams is just the
access to all twenty two that I had and breaking
down his game. And I don't want to make sweeping
judgments about a player when I'm not able to watch
like a large swath of games on him. Like most
of the games that I got was just you know,

(05:38):
all the manufacturer touch stuff, the running back stuff, the
wildcat stuff and things like that. So looking at how
he is as a traditional wide receiver, I know we've
had Brett Whitefield on the show. He was high on
Savion and his transition with that skill set looks like
you know, So for me with Savion, I'm right with Brett.
I think he's a fantastic chess piece. But how many
times have you seen guys were these guys this archetype

(06:01):
of player, the Laviska Laviskas Chenaults of the world, the
quarter Patterson's of the world. They go into the NFL
and the NFL is like, we like him. We don't
know what the hell to do with him, but we
like him.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
You mean, Hall of Famer quarterall.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Patterson fair, fair, you know, put some respect.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Have you looked at his resume?

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Is actually wildly like pretty pretty strong.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
That's Hall of Fame's pretty strong, dude.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Hold on, I'm gonna I'm gonna read it all because
every time he gets I bring this up. Okay, so
just blanket statement. If you saw this resume, Hall of Famer,
yes or no? Super Bowl champion, four time first seam
All Pro, three time second team All Pro, four time
Pro Bowler, two time NFL kickoff yards return leader, All
Decade Team for the twenty tenhow hall of Famer or not?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
I mean, it's it's all bro it is, And I
think that would surprise a lot of people because they
hear the name and they automatically want to put the
bust label on him because he wasn't a tradition or
has a been agal wide receiver and things like that.
But I think, like we're all talking about Savion, the
talent is there, Like you put the ball in his
hands and he's gonna make some magic happen. That's not
the question I think anybody has. But it's where does

(07:11):
he go? And we need a good offensive play caller
that's going to I'll throw another one out for you, Brett,
because you kind of mentioned the Shanahan trees. So there's
a bunch of teams in that we could talk about.
What do you think if he would go to because
Deebo's only got the one year of money in Washington,
what if he goes to the Commanders and we get
Cliff Kingsbury just saying all right, bro, like we can

(07:32):
get somebody else on the outside to stretch the field.
We got Terry and we got Debo. Here's our air
apparent to Debo, and we're just gonna feed him manufactured
touches and make it a easy for JD five. That
to me, you want to talk about a team that's
gonna use him the way he needs to be used.
And he probably gets some running back stuff too. That
would make me extremely happy for what his NFL outlook

(07:53):
would be.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Also, again I bring up the contested catch percentage on
catchable balls because.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
It wasn't always catchable Tescu, yep.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
But when the ball is catchable, contested over eighty five percent.
I think it was like eighty seven to be exact.
You know who throws catchable balls deep down the field
really well, Jayden dinnons like it fits pretty well, be a.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Great fit man like and now I mean here, like
again we're talking about Savion like he's not going to
probably go in round two, so I think people need
to also kind of like throw the draft capital not
saying like don't invent like, but like again, this archetype
you're probably like a team would have to love him
probably to take him in the third round. He's probably
gonna end up at the top of Day three. So

(08:38):
really it's like then we need to really talk about again,
like we're centering and framing this conversation landing spot and
him getting on the field and getting used in the
way that is going to highlight the best parts of
his game, while we want that for every rookie while
also saying we're gonna use you in the best way
we can, but it's also going to cover up some
of the things you might not do as well right now.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
And the cool thing about Savian man is like he's
gonna be going with this class being so deep at
running back at tight end, people are gonna be taking
their shots on these Day two, Day three quarterbacks probably
in the third, fourth round of rookie draft league. You
can probably get Savian Williams in round four of your
rookie draft in a super flex format. So interesting prospect
there to discuss. Derek keep us in this wide receiver

(09:22):
position with your first sleeper of the day.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Dude. There's a lot of players that Brett and I
talk about in DMS and texts and stuff like that,
we have not talked about this guy, so I'm curious
about where he sits. And it's always fun every prospect
season when you get to a player that maybe hasn't
been talked about a ton. Yeah, and once you get
to their film and you're starting to look at their
analytical profile, you're just like, oh, oh, oh, that's exactly

(09:51):
how I felt the entire time when I got to
Elijah Badger, okay, and looking at his overall skill set,
there's a few different arts and pieces to him. Man,
he's just a fantastic, like a fascinating player, Like if
you look at what he did at Arizona State again
in not the savior on Williams role, but basically the
manufacturer kind of like underneath like touch roll where it's

(10:13):
like put the ball in his freaking hands. Ask him
to go out there and just manhandle fools like after
the catch. That's what Badger did in twenty twenty two
and twenty twenty three. Like to put context to this,
he was in twenty twenty two amongst all wide receivers,
third in miss tackles forced, twenty twenty three, thirteenth in
yak per reception, seventh in miss tackles forced. So you're like, okay,

(10:36):
this is a really interesting skill set. So okay, well,
that's the kind of role maybe he plays in the NFL.
Then he transfers to Florida for his final season in
college and Florida, which, dude, I'm sorry, Mertz was not
a good quarterback. Good lord.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
He apologize.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
He apologize for the Florida fans out that are arriving
to this and they're like, oh yeah, it's Badger season. Baby.
The quarterbacks there are not it. There's tons of times
on his film where just well lackwis Okay, he's good,
he's good. This is more of a Mertz conversation about
Mertz being not great. So but this is all to

(11:14):
say when he goes to Florida, did he play the
same role he played at Arizona State? No, Florida said, Oh,
we're really really good at that. Let's just pigeonhole you
as a deep threat. Let's put you in a downfield
role when we got a questionable quarterback. Can he even
lace those throws down the field. But it'll work out,
And Badger succeeded in that role. Man Like again his

(11:36):
final season in college, fourteenth and yards per route run
top fifteen and both receiving grade and yards route run
against man coverage. And you're telling me, I know he
tested well at the combine. I know the four to
four speed. That's not how I think he plays. I
think he's more of a four or five player on
the field. But because you see it like he's got

(11:56):
enough speed to get downtown. He doesn't have the ele
third year to absolutely just take it to the house
seventy eighty yards. But he excelled in a downfield role.
And I think if Elijah Badger would have gone to
a place with consistently better quarterback play and honestly an
offensive staff that was gonna use him to the best

(12:18):
of his abilities, use him in the underneath role as
well as a mix in some of the downfield stuff.
I love this kid. Man, like he tested well, he
already showed you both sides of the coin about his
ability and how he can translate to the NFL. I mean, dude,
I'm extremely high on him, Like I don't know anybody
that's like right now. And this is not just me

(12:40):
trying to be like over the moon for this kid.
I've got him as my wide receiver nine of the
class right now. I really like Elijah Badger. But Brett,
your thoughts am I in saying you're.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Really not You know, I can't recall the last time
I saw a prospect go from an average step of
target one year of seven point seven to seventeen point
three yep the next season, Like we're talking about over twenty.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yards of reception here for him.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Also, fun fact, has two drops in the last two
seasons combined, and neither of them came in.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
The concentration drops too, by the way, not a.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
More concentration drops. And to have an average depth of
target over seventeen yards and no drops the entire year
is nuts? Like that is that is pretty nuts?

Speaker 4 (13:28):
You know?

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Strong contested catcher again, does.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
He play to his speed?

Speaker 3 (13:33):
I think he's more smooth than explosive, So I almost
feel like it's deceptive. But I remember so when I
was down on the field with the combine, and I mean,
you guys, when you go to the Singer Bowl, you
know this too. When you're watching Comma drills, you know
this too. When you see guys back to back to
back live with your own eyes. I almost feel like

(13:53):
cameras can lie to you a little bit. Like everybody says, oh,
the iron sky doesn't lie. Cameras can lie a little bit,
you know, like sometimes frame rates just make guys look
look like they're moving different than they actually are. I
think it's valuable to look at how the ball comes
off a quarterback's hands with your own eyes, just because
I think the camera it does make it look a

(14:14):
little bit different. And not to go on a tangent here,
but I remember when I saw Trey Lance throw on
tape and I was like, oh, he's got a hose.
And then I went to Niner Scam, but I saw
Trey Lance thrown person, I was like, Ah, he really doesn't.
And Brock Perty threw just a better ball, and I
remember thinking at the time when Perty was QB four,
I was like, he's kind of the best one here,
and he was, and so I think it's valuable to

(14:35):
kind of see guys with your own eyes and see
how they move in person, because it's just it just
looks different than when it's on camera. All that to say,
when I was watching all these receivers go through drills
back to back to back, I kept looking up and
I was like, this badger kid, he's moving really really well,
both the Florida kids. Honestly, I like DK too, and
I hadn't actually watched them on film yet, but I

(14:57):
took that experience seeing how they move with my own eyes,
and then I watched him on film and I just
didn't really find anything I didn't like about him. Like,
I think he could very easily be a starting two
in the league.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Probably startous is three, but eventually get to a two.
And he kind of reminds me you remember Devere Posey Woo,
that's a deep pole, like pre pre injury Devere Posy.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
It's a deep pole. I like it. He was a
hard player for me to go man, because it's like
his fluidity, but he's more of a linear athlete. I
agree with you all that, but his play strength that's
the hard part of like his size, like he's rocked
up again. Like seeing players in person and seeing their
body composition is huge too. Like I've seen some people

(15:42):
talk about it he looks more slight. I'm like, they
ain't nothing slight about this, dude. There ain't nothing slight
about the way he plays, Like the play strength shows
up throughout his game. So like I had a hard
time competent man.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
And I think Posy went in like the third round,
so like he could very easily go in that range
and and be a be a three or be a two.
Like tell me that he wouldn't fit in immediately, like
competing for number three snaps in.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
LA with the Rams, dude, I mean, you're reading off
my sheet, you know who. And and I tried to
nerve this as much, but I've I found a lot
of similarities in his game, especially with his body control
on the perimeter, the way that he wins, and his
physicality after the catching at the top of his stems.
I mean, I'm gonna say this name, and I swear

(16:31):
I don't want anybody going over the moon for this,
but I'm because I'm trying to nerf this in expectations
my comp in my write up is he's great value
brand Poko people will yeah, they'll take it the wrong way, man.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
And but if we're talking about stylistic comps here, like
not necessarily like he's gonna go out.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Birds.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
This kid could freaking play, man. And I think he's
gonna go higher in the NFL Draft than people people think.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
And I think the interesting thing about him is that
he should probably have stayed put at Arizona State if
he knew Sam Levitt was the quarterback that we came
to know and love out there in town.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
I don't think Asu even no, no, I don't think
anybody did.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
And like I agree that, I don't think anyone loved
Draham Mertz, whether it was the time at Wisconsin, his
time as the Gators starting quarterback, and it felt like
this offense, this team finally started yelling when DJ Lagway
got under center. He then had that hamstring injury gets
carted off. So kind of just an up and down
season for Badger in this entire Gator team. But like

(17:34):
when he was there in Tempe, he paced top ten
in the PAC twelve interceptions both those seasons, and then,
like you guys said, just became kind of a deep threat.
Finished sixth in the country and yards perception over twenty yards,
so badger, very very interesting prospect. I'm glad you guys
brought him up because i'ven't heard anyone talk about him
this entire offseason. So good pull from you guys there
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(18:16):
prize if you are that lucky winner. Brett, let's get
to your next sleeper. A running back who was catching
some serious buzz early in the process, but has seemingly
cold as of late Woody marks.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
From USC to me, he is this year's James White.
I know a lot of people say, oh, it is
this year's Bucky Irving. I don't necessarily see the same
contact balance that I that I see that I saw
from Bucky Irving when Irving was in college. And I
also think he's a better receiver than Bucky Irving was
in college, not.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
The Bucky couldn't catch obviously, right.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
I think people just see like small running back and
they're like, that's Bucky Irving. It's like, ah No, to me,
it's a different it's a different skill set, a different profile.
Like he is going to be a third down back
in the l but he's going to be an exceptional one. Again,
I think the James White type receiving skill, Like you
want to call him captain choice route, fine, but he's
gonna be really good at it.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Right.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
He can work down the field as well. He's got
excellent hands. I think he could pass protect and if
you want to go into no huddle and give him
some carries, like, he can give you some carries too.
It's not that he like he's incapable of running the
ball in early downs like a theoretic Like, I think
he could do the theoretic stuff and also you know,
carry it a little bit for you.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Just if we're.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Looking at like the spectrum of small running backs where
it's like Bucky Irvings on one side, and Woody Marker
and James White's on the other. Like, I think he's
further on the James White side, but it's not that
he can't do actual running with the ball.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, I found Woody a really really enticing prospect because
you look back at his time at Mississippi State, he
had two hundred and fourteen receptions in four season. That's
eighth all time in the SEC and career receptions among
all positions. I mean, this guy was catching a ton
of passes out there, and then he goes out to
USC and, as he said, Brett like a better runner
than I think a lot of people give credit for

(20:05):
because he did finished fourth in the Big Ten and
rushing yards, I think everyone knows like that USC offensive
line compared to the rest of the Big Ten was
absolute garbage. So goes out has a nine point eighty
seven raz at the combine as well. So, Deebro, have
you dug into Mars at all? And if so, do
you have any thoughts on the twenty four year old?

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, I agree with Brett. I think that his role
in the NFL is gonna be as a receiving back.
I mean we're again, we're discussing Woody marks in three
of the last four seasons top twenty six and receiving
grade amongst all FBS running backs at least twenty targets.
So the chops are there, and USC used him in
a few different ways, man, Like it was nothing to
see them split him out wide asking to run stop routes,

(20:45):
curls and things and get a little bit of the
perimeter route tree out there. So again, yeah, Woody marks
future New England patriot.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Okay, I mean I wouldn't hate it. Pairing him to
Gals was.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Probably like, all right, make it to the fifth round
where just gonna select what he marks.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Let's go alrip Antonio Gibson if that If that is
the case, But yeah, deepro, take us to your next sleeper.
It's a receiver that we talked about a couple weeks
ago in our Wide Receivers eleven through twenty show.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, man, I mean look again, kicking this off with
two wide receivers in this conversation and what has been
discussed as a bad or a down wide receiver class.
So you know, taking my shots here, But Tory Horton, man,
this kid can play. I really like it, like his film,
numerous different ways he pops, both from the numbers perspective.
I mean, unfortunately in his final collegiate season, limited only

(21:37):
six games with the knee injury, but three point four
five yards per route run. Yeah, that'll play as well
as a player that it's not only just that season,
but like you're looking at his overall game, he could
break some tackles twenty twenty three with sixteenth and missed
tackles force. He just I like the kid. Like I
think if you're looking at NFL type of projections, I

(21:57):
think you're looking at like a low end two, probably
a high end like wide receiver three for an NFL
offokas very much in the Michael Gallup Marvin Jones esque
kind of play. Strength, get him vertical more of like
a clasher, but can separate some because I think like
there are some drawbacks to his game, like his hips
are a little bit tight, but he's got quick enough

(22:18):
feet to kind of compensate for that. So you're not
gonna ask him to run a ton of as far
as the route tree where he's having to drop his
hips de accelerate that way, you're probably gonna try to
get him move in latterly, get him up on nine routes,
or just get him to turn around and run hitches
and stuff. But again, a player that I like. He
probably gonna go somewhere in the third fourth round of

(22:39):
the NFL draft, and I think he's'n be a very
productive NFL wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I mean, coming into the season, this guy was a
top one hundred rated player, and I think if he
doesn't get hurt, there's a chance we're talking about him
not in our sleeper show, but maybe in our Wide
Receiver one through ten show. And I really like that,
you know, it comes from Nevada, kind of stays in
that mountain area out there when he transferred it to
Colorado State and ultimately finishes with the third most receptions,

(23:06):
fourth most receiving yards, and the seventh most receiving touchdowns
all time in the Mountain West. So I really liked
what he did there. And then he goes and gets
back for the Combine and has a really nice showing
out there as well. Bratt nine point seven one RAS
score for him.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I really have struggled with Tori because he tested faster
than I thought he played, you know, and like even
going back to twenty twenty three because I kind of
threw out twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Eventually looked at twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Because A, the Colorado State team was better in that year,
so I felt like it is a better representation of
like what does it look like when when A he's
not like the only guy and you know, the overall
team is better, he doesn't put it, And also he
was healthier, and you know, I saw six to two
hundred and four four one, and I was like, really, yeah,

(23:54):
you know, like I just I in my head, I
had him more in like that Jacobi Myers type mold
where it's just all about just being in the right
spot at the right time, not necessarily having.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
The physical ability to to.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
A separate against NFL caliber athletes at corner, but be
separate deep down the field. I just didn't see that time.
But it also, it doesn't mean he's not a good player.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
I think it can.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
We can sometimes get lost in the testing numbers or
get lost in the tape and forget that the other
side of the coin exists, and I think the truth
is somewhere in the middle when it comes to him
in terms.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Of how he plays versus how he tested.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
And I think you have to kind of find that
middle ground with him and realize that, yeah, he's probably
going to be like a number three in the NFL.
His superpower is just being in the right spot at
the right time and kind of, you know, taking advantage
of his own coverages because he's a really smart player,
Like he has a really great understanding of space. I
don't expect him to be like a separator against man,

(24:57):
like he is truly going to be like a position
shin number three. He's going to catch four balls for
us a game, and they're all going to be for
first downs, and then when when we need to take
a shot, we're going to bring in somebody else. And
I don't really care that he ran four four one
because he doesn't play like it. Like, if I want
to take a shot, I'm going to bring in like
Troy Franklin and hope to god he catches it.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
But like, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna make Flint
Horton do that.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I agree, Bret, Like I was surprised with the four
to four like again, like and kind of in the
air that I was talking about his game, like I
don't I don't see that on the field. I don't
think that he even has that type of explosiveness and fluidity.
I agree that I think he's gonna be a possession
guy like I. And it's funny, you know, when we're
breaking down film before we get the combine testing, because

(25:38):
I'm like, there's so many guys where it's like you
get the confirmation of your eyes or you're like okay,
I mean like, like I was discussing earlier, it's like
he doesn't play that way, like it's fine, Like and
some guys were you know, we're having conversations of did
you drop weight or you know, did you run fast?
Like how did that go? Or are you a better
track athlete? Like the guys that have track backgrounds that
or the guys that don't have track back so they're

(26:00):
just like they just don't run a great forty, you know.
I mean, so a lot of different ways to break
it down, but I emphatically agree with you. I think
he's going to be a possession guy. I think the
strength of the catch point and the play strength for
him is going to have to play up at the
NFL level. Because I agree, I don't think he's going
to be a fantastic separator, But I do think he
has enough upper body strength to win, you know, versus

(26:21):
man impressed. It just kind of depends on what you're
asking out of him.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
And there's one more note I want to I want
to give to your audience specifically because I know that
some of them are like just getting into this right
now because they got their Dynasty drafts in like three
weeks and they're like, oh God, I need to know
who to draft. So when you're looking at athletic testing specifically,
like just forties and shuttles and everything like that, you
have to understand that the a NFL teams aren't really

(26:47):
using those. They're using their own numbers because they take
their own forty times. And also the agilities that are
done at the combine are done after their workouts, which
is why a lot of guys don't even do them
anymore because they're already gassed in the workout and then
they go to the pro day setting and they'll do
their agilities there, which again the teams are just using
their own times for.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Those, they're not using the officials.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
So the times themselves, I don't want to say, they
don't matter but they matter less than the chip data.
So if you go to a website called Combine iq,
they've done.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
This the last like three or four years. They have
chips in.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Like the Combine gear that the players wear, and so
they track their speeds during the drills doing the.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Actual football stuff.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
That is what teams care about way more so we
talk about like the gauntlet drill. Everybody's like, ah, what's
the point of the gauntlet drill because you're just running
in a line and catching the ball and you're dropping
it immediately, Like what is that show? The gauntlet drill
is specifically to show if you can run a crossing
route at top speed, turn your head late, locate the

(27:51):
ball when it's in the air, and catch it while
staying on a line. Because the crossing route, if we're
talking about actual football, is you're reading the position of
the safeties and the linebackers and you're setting your depth
and then turning your head to the quarterback. So you
have to be able to set your depth before you're
kind of on that line and then hold the depth

(28:12):
that you're trying to get to without drifting into the safety,
without drifting into a hand corner, without drifting into a
linebacker and also be able to look and turn and
find the ball in traffic and pluck it in traffic
and everything like that, and do that at top speed.
And so when you're looking at the chip data, like
you'll see guys that are way high up on the
gauntlet drill that are excellent at that route, like say

(28:35):
Chimp DK from Florida who got seventy five percent of
his production on deep crosses because he's really good at it.
That in itself is a skill set, or Jimmy Horr
Junior who ran it at top speed. Then you look
at guys like Luther Burden, and I remember on the
field when I was watching the Gauntlet drill, I was like, God,
he just looks like he's loafing it.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
And he was.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
He was like bottom five in terms of speed through
the Gauntlet drill. And some people say, like, I don't
care if he ran it slow. I just wanted to
him catch the ball, Like, No, the point is to
run that at top speed. You need to show you
can do football stuff at top speed. This is my
way of just shoehorning Luther Burton into the show. I
didn't like him that during the drills because he did everything.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
This is a safe space, Brett with a show, So
you're in a safe space here.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
And I was just watching all these guys that are
like hauling ass through the drills and like doing football
top speed.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Here's Luther just kind of like.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Sort our Jason.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Oh my god, Jared Knowle is awesome. He's incredible. And
and whereas Luther, I'm like, you're going sixteen miles an
hour to the Gauntlet drill.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
It's like that that doesn't tell me anything, Like I
just so again, that's the point of the combine drills,
especially the chip data all that to say time speed
for a guy like Orton, it doesn't really matter because
if you don't run four four one when you're doing
actual football stuff like eh, okay, well we appreciate that context.

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Speaker 3 (31:16):
Who you got, uh, the other other old miss receiver
Jordan Watkins. You know he's the smallest of the three.
People think that means he was the slot for them,
he was not. He did most of his snaps outside
because he's really really good at it. Again, he was
another one of these guys that popped at the combine
for me watching everybody go through the drills, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Like, God, this guy is great.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Like he's explosive and smooth. Not everybody is both. Most
receivers are one of the other. He's both a great
route runner, great hands. Again, battled against these giants outside
corners in the SEC and did just fine even though
he's a smaller frames like five to eleven two hundred
I think is what he weighed in at. Great contested

(31:57):
catcher too, like he attacks the ball in the air
like I love him. There's really nothing he doesn't do well,
which is what confused me because I don't see him
anywhere now, like talked about anywhere at all, Like everybody
focuses on the rest of the Ole Miz team and
he might be like the tenth Ole Miss player. Yeah,
but he's not the tenth best Ole Miss player, I'll

(32:19):
tell you that much.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Very interesting player who I think definitely went under the
radar for most of the season because Trey Harris is
out there potentially gonna break the SEC all time a
single season reception record before he got hurt. But I
can remember that Arkansas game specifically where the guy took
eight receptions two hundred and fifty four yards, five touchdowns,
and everyone's like, holy cal Jordan Watkins actually could be
a guy goes out runs a blazing four point three

(32:43):
seven second forty yard dash as well, de bro I
know friend of the show Brett Whitefield also very high
on Watkins. Are you joining Brett and Brett in that
stance or have you not dove too much into walkin'
shape all?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Unfortunately, to take the TBD, he is on my list
to watch this week. But I mean, dude, so like
a lot of times, before I get to the film
on these guys, you just kind of like I'll pull
open the analytical profiles and I'm like, you know, just
to kind of get a sense because or sometimes I'll
do it through the verse. But with Watkins, he's one
of the guys again, like I'm getting to the to

(33:17):
the second and third tier, fourth tier wherever however we
have these ordered, but like these guys where it's like, okay,
they kind of pop on paper, like yeah, dude, like Watkins,
there's a lot to like here before I even get
to the film. Man, Like two point five four yards
per route run last year. He also has over six
yards after catch per reception can break some tackles, Like,
there's a lot to like about this kid. Man. So

(33:38):
while I haven't gotten to the film, so TBD on that.
But as far as the analytical side of it, yeah, again,
like another guy that we be, We're talking about a
lot of wide receivers and I'm gonna go back to this.
I'm higher on this wide receiver class than most people are. Brett.
I know, you know, we kind of talked about this.
I want to put words in your mouth, but I mean,
I think you're kind of in the same boat, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
I think it gets unfairly maligned because it's compared to
twenty twenty four, right, yeah, yeah, right. Not every year
is going to be like that, And it doesn't mean
there's not good players in this class, Like I think, honestly,
if last year was probably the year to get like
a true number one, this year is the year of
the number two. Like there are so many starting caliber

(34:22):
receivers in this class, doesn't mean that they're all gonna
be top ten to fifteen players at their position in
the league. In fact, I'm not even sure if maybe
there's like one or two guys in this class where
you could you could see that happening right where they
could get into that like that Nico Collins territory. Other
than that, there's like twenty guys in this class that

(34:43):
I could be like, Yeah, they're gonna be starters and
role players and productive and you know, in a few years,
because the receiver market's going up by so much, they're
gonna make twenty million dollars a year. But like, it
doesn't mean that it's a bad class. It just means that, Okay,
there's not Rome and Malik and Marvin and BTJ like
all in the same cluster like this.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
It's fine, it's still good.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Last thing I'll say on Watkins too, is like, just
be aware. I feel like sometimes these old miss wide receivers,
their production profile it gets pushed up a little bit
just because I mean, we know what lan Keffin likes
to do. Man, he wants to run and gun in
all over the field. And you know, sometimes you get
great wide receivers out of this program. Other times you
get Elijah Moore, So just something to be aware of
their Derek Brown, take us back to the running back

(35:27):
position with your next sleeper, please it.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
I'll love us, kid. I'm so curious, Like right now,
in my rankings, I have him ranked I guess I
could say aggressively versus consensus as a top ten running
back in this class, like I've got him at RB nine. Wow.
But so where his draft capital falls? And I think
that this is just a lot like the overarching theme

(35:50):
of every running back that is not named Ashton Gent
and Amario Hampton. We don't know where they're gonna go,
what that's going to look like with this class, with
the depth of this running back class, and are these
guys going to go in second and third round? Do
they get pushed down to the third and the fourth round?
So the draft capital part of this is still TBD.

(36:10):
And then there's a wide range, especially when we're discussing
a running back for Brishard Smith coming out of SMU
only played the position full time in one season. But man,
I really like this kid, and dude, I mean some
of it is like there's a lot of this type
of running back archetype in this class. These guys where
there are slasherbacks win with speed, lateral agility, vision a

(36:33):
ton of guys and I like a lot of them
in this class that are in that one ninety, like
above one ninety range, but sub two hundred. And the
great thing that and part of what my process and
the reason I want to highlight a few of them
in this episode is the NFL is telling us very
loudly over the last few seasons that the archetype of

(36:54):
the workhorse back is changing. We've had Devon cham we
have Kyrien Williams, we have Austin Eckler, we have Bucky Irving,
just to name a few, Jamiir Gibbs that are sub
two hundred pound backs, and the NFL said, we don't
give a shit. We're going to give these guys work
because they're good. So I'm not knocking any of these

(37:14):
guys in this category because of their size, because the
NFL is loudly telling us, if we choose to listen
that that is that's an old trope. It's changing. So
I'm not going to tell you that Burshard Smith, knowing
what we know about his skills, set, his familiarity with
the position and stuff that there's not a higher ceiling
that maybe he can grasp if the draft capitol and

(37:36):
it only takes one freaking team to fall in love
with him. That if they do, and he goes in
say round three in the NFL draft, because this kid
has legit pass game weapon ability. And for everybody that's
coming into this late, like Brett talked about, like a
lot of people are just now waking up to the
rookie class. This guy was a slot wide receiver at
the U, transferred to SMU for his final season at

(37:58):
running back, went out and proved that he can handle
volume and still had the chops to be a really
damn good receiver out of the backfield, like second and
receiving grade amongst all FPS, running bast to least twenty
targets last year, twenty second in yards per route run.
He was in the slaughter out wide on almost fifteen
percent of his snaps. So and he can run a

(38:18):
multitude of routes because again he has a real wide
receiver background, so he can do all of that man like.
And he showed that he can handle volume like we're
talking about again. Final year at SMU, nine games where
he had sixteen or more carries, and some of those
he got high end carries like above twenty above twenty
four carries in a game, so proving also that he's

(38:41):
not only like went out and tested really great four
to three nine speed and it shows up like I
thought he had low four to four speed on his tape,
And that's goin to how he's gonna have to win.
Man Like, I really like Brishard Smith. I hope he
gets the draft capital. But this is a player that
I think that from the word go in the NFL,
he can be the predominant pass catching weapon out of

(39:03):
the out of the backfield. Now his pass protection, most
of these guys come out of college pass protection. They
just don't spend a lot of time on it in college.
They don't ask like that.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
That's sure.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
He was good at like three point four past bro
for a guy who was a receiver a year ago,
and I think went better with that brat. And he
can he can return too, Like you're telling me a
coaching staff is gonna fall in love with a former
receiver converted a running back who can pass protect and
return kicks at like twenty seven yards a clip. If
you were to tell me he's gonna get drafted somewhere

(39:34):
like the third fourth.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Would tell me, just wills out in his rookie season
and he has seventy targets. I'm not gonna be something.
I'm not gonna be surprised if he catches fifty balls
in his rookie season, Like depending on where he.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
Goes, if he goes to Denver, how many?

Speaker 2 (39:48):
How many? If he goes to Denver with draft capital?
And this is also are we assuming that they don't
go running back round one Brett? Like maybe they kind
of piece it together.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Let's say they get sniped.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Let's say they get Marian right, and then they shift
to like, okay, we'll do one day two and they
take that.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Probably committee situation. He's probably catching and.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Is he immediately Like, let's talk Dynasty for a second.
As far as Dynasty's running backs him in Denver is
RB what for you in Dynasty.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Six five?

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Ish? I mean I've got him at RB nine right now,
I'm willing to push him higher. Yeah, Like I mean
he's he is in a long tier three right now
that I have R. J. Harvey, DJ Gintins, Bachel Touton
and Devin Neeling and depending on where they go in
the NFL Draft, the draft Capitol and landing which everyone.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Goes to Denver gets RB six.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, I mean like I'm willing to pump any of
them up. I'm willing to send him up the board.
Just go yeah, I'm not against it, dude.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
A lot of top thirty visits for him. We're gonna
talk more about that on our livestream later day, d Bro.
But this guy's been getting a lot of interest in
case of that top thirty visit, so maybe he does
move up boards. Brat any additional thoughts here on Brishard Smith.
The one thing I just always found interesting about him
is that he just felt like such a guy that
when SMU was struggling, like that six turnover game against Duke,

(41:12):
where it felt like the whole season was about to
go out the window, Kevin Jennings turning over the ball
left and right receivers dropping the ball, Brichhard Smith, he
was like the one stable force in that entire offense,
a guy you could could lean on there to get
that win against the Blue Devils, specifically on that Dad, you.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Can just count on him, right and and he had.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
The kind of year that made me think like why
wasn't here running back the whole time?

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Like like Tyrone Trace last year, who I loved, was
coming out and I was like, why why did they
not do this earlier?

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Like what the help er do?

Speaker 3 (41:47):
And I almost wonder it's like if he if he
got converted to running back at the U earlier and
he's playing.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
You know, at the U.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Let's just take the Damien Martinez of it all out
of it, right? If he was like the starting at
the U this year in a cam Ward offense, is
he not the most productive running back in at least
the ACC, if not all of college football? Well, okay,
let's take Astra Genty out of it too.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (42:14):
But like he would have been right up there with
Omar for me as far as production.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
You know, people would be talking about him and discussing
him in a very very different light. I mean we
were texting last night about just helmet scouting. Dude, Like, again,
take this profile and he doesn't go to SMU, but
he goes to an SEC school, he goes to Bama,
he goes to LASHU, he goes to Florida. Like, shake

(42:39):
this profile and drop it into a helmet college.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Dude, he was started at Georgia. I mean he would
have started at Georgia. He would have started a.

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Another running back, this time coming from a former FCS program.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Same flavor, different cup of coffee. Baby, I gotta bring
up Marcus Charns. I keep talking about him, keep talking
about him, keep freaking talking about him, and I'm just
hoping one NFL team is listening, and you're just really
I'm hoping one again, it only takes one. I want
one NFL team to love this freaking kid as much
as I do man like again, the talent plays. He

(43:49):
is in the same exact category as Brishard Smith in
terms of the archetype that one ninety sub two hundred
pounds has a real legit pass game weapon, can run
routes out of the backfield, and I mean again, we're
talking about discussing that archetype. Marcus yarns thirteen to nineteen

(44:14):
percent of his snaps over the last two years and
the slaughter out wide. They had him running whips, they
had him run ins, outs, wheels, everything like again, another
player that I think the NFL team that takes him
is going to know exactly what the hell they're getting
that he is going to be their passing down back
from day one. Amongst all FBS and FCS running backs.

(44:34):
He's twenty to targets or more of the last two years,
eighteenth and ninth in yards per route run as well
as this guy, he's underrated on early downs. I look
at him in that I mean my calm for him,
and I want people to realize this based off of
this player has had an evolution to his game in
the NFL level. I want people to be connery one

(44:56):
and remind themselves of what they thought of this player
as a proSP I just look at Marcus Yarns and
I see a lot of James Cook. Dude, I really
love this dude. I think he's underrated on early downs.
I think he's a better tackle breaker then he gets
credit for. And while I think he goes into the
NFL and he is going to be looked at as

(45:18):
a past game specialist, I think he also much liked
Brishard Smith. If we go back to this episode in
three years and we're saying, Okay, Yarns fell into a situation, injuries,
all that kind of stuff, and he's turned into he's
a team's workhorse, dude, I'm not going to be surprised.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Brett.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
How do you evaluate someone like Marcus Yarns, Because it
is a tough evaluation when you're coming out of an
FCS program Delaware of course, in their final season in
the CAAA before they're making the jump to the FBS
and Conference USA starting in twenty twenty five. And like,
I looked at Yarns four potential fastest forty time for
the running back position, and I turned on his tape
after you mentioned him a couple months ago, Deep, I

(46:00):
was like, man, this guy can't really fly, but but
it's tough to compare him when he's running up against
guys who are probably, as we speak, selling and.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
That's the double edged sword, right because Deep, brauh, I'm
sure you watch the long touchdown against Albany, right yep,
where he kind of he put just the nastiest movement.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I mean, dude, that guy is still trying to figure
out where.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
He was gorgeous and then you know he accelerated and
ran away from everybody. You're like, man, he's got juice.
And then you're like, but it was Albany, Like that's
the one, that's the one thing, and I he's he's
gonna be like the classic.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Get him into camp and just see what happens, right.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Because if it works, it's Austin Eckler, And if it
doesn't work, he's just going to be another one of
these Day three running backs.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
So you take a flyer on You're like, whatever, it's cares.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
But like, if it works, it's Austin Eckler because he's
very similar build. I think he's a little bit lighter
than Eckler was, especially after Eckler got in the league
and he bulked up, but there was like the similar
concerns with him of like, let's see what it looks
like against NFL talent. And then Austin, you know, started
dumpstering everybody in the NFL and they're like, oh, okay,
we're good. Like you never really know until you get

(47:13):
to camp.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, uh, Brett, let's go ahead, and let's transition to
your next sleeper, a transfer receiver who I know all
too well being a Penn State fan and this guy
being a former Penn State in any line, what he got?

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Okay, if you're a Penn State fan, answer me this question.
KeAndre Lambert Smith, starting receiver at Penn State in twenty
twenty four.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Do they win the Natty?

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Not if he played like he did in twenty two
version of Lambert Smith. IFO State, they they at least
beat Notre Dame. I'll tell you that. I don't know
if they win a Natty, but they get to the championship.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Maybe maybe they lose to Ohio State the championship.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
But I'll tell you what, they wouldn't have been scared of.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Ohio State because they would have they would have matched
up pretty well with them. And the one glaring omission
that Pence they had on the roster this year was
an X receiver that could catch the ball.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
And that's what he is like.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
He is an excellent, excellent contested catcher. I think he's
an acrobat outside. He'll like he adjusted to some really.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Painful looking balls down the field and made spectacular catches.
I think he is a.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
True X receiver doesn't necessarily mean number one because just
because you're an X doesn't mean you're you're the number one.
You can you know, you can have your number one
B or Z or your slot and then you just
have a guy who plays X. And I think that's
what he is like. He is a number two X receiver,
but he's got legit field stretching ability, almost never drops

(48:43):
the ball ever. You know, he makes your quarterback right
if you just put it into a zip code. I
think he's a little bit stiff, but if I just
need a guy to line up on the line of
scrimmage and run goes, post slants and comebacks like, that's
my guy. And I again, I was watching him and
I'm like, what went wrong at Penn State? Because this
is a good player and Penn State literally did not

(49:05):
have any outside receivers this year, So I'm like, Okay,
what am I missing? Like, I don't know, I haven't
actually watched twenty twenty three from him, but I just
looked at twenty twenty four and I was like, that's
a that's a starting receiver in the NFL to me.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Well, I think part of it is Penn State's never
really been great developing offensive talent prior to this season
before Andy Cotinikki came to town. Like that guy changed our
whole offense. And like, I'm just so upset with this
this season for Lambert Smith because, as you mentioned, terrible
quarterback play like Peyton Thorn, absolutely terrible. Then Hank Brown
comes in one game throws like three interceptions, he gets

(49:38):
back to the Pine, So like it's been a tough
go for him and like Derek, but I think what
was really impressive about Lambert Smith is he did this
all while sharing the field with five star freshman wide
receiver and top ten recruit in the twenty twenty four class,
Cam Coleman, who I'm sure will be talking about him
in about two years from now.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, man, I mean again, going back to there's a
lot of wide receiver that the hate of this class,
whether it might not be you know, true alpha wide
receiver ones in this class, and we can debate that
for days. There are a ton of really solid, sturdy
wide receivers that are going to have long, productive NFL careers.

(50:17):
Like right, there's a litany and he's in that a
litany of guys where you aint gotta squint hard to see, like, oh,
he's been in the league for six to eight years
and he gives you a consistent five to seven hundred
receiving yards every damn year. Yeah, and he's a strong
wide receiver. Three. You know that's fine?

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Uh, Brett, let's go ahead and stay with you for
your final sleep or you have a running back coming
out of the Big twelve. Who you got, my guy,
My guy, RJ Harvey?

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Dee bro.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Do you think there is any shot RJ. Harvey gets
out of the third round?

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Hell no, not if unless every all thirty two teams
have to fall asleep for him to drop into the fourth.
If he drops into the fourth round of the NFL Draft,
some NFL GM is going to look like an absolute
freaking genius. I'm gonna say that.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
I mean, I don't even care that the Eagles have saquad,
Like if he's there at.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
The end of the third that's about to say that's yeah,
that's I.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Oh my god, he is. He is just.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
He's unbelievable with some of the stuff that he does
as far as change of direction, Like he's got these
jump cuts that look like he's teleporting right uh and
by the way, has legit long speed to pay it
off once he does break the second level, like his
misstackles force per attempt was up there in this class,
like one of the highest.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
I also look at the exact number. You know.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
People knock him for his size and everything like that,
but like for me, a small running back that is
hard to get your hands around in the first place
is just as good as a big running back that
you can hit. But he's gonna run over you like
a mistackle is a mistackle he missed. He makes you
mistackles with agility and vision and patience and burst and

(51:57):
just you just don't get a good angle on him,
Like you never get a good angle on him because
his feet are so good and if you miss, like
he is gone gone.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
So I love har J Harvey.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I think he is one of the best running backs
in this class. If he gets out of round three,
I'm wondering, like, is he going to prison for tax
evasion or something, because like it just it wouldn't make
sense for me.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Dude, if he was we talked about this last night,
and I'm just going to bring the text chain into
the show here. If he was twenty two or twenty
one years old and he went to a bigger college, yep,
he'd be a round two He'd be a round two pick.
And I've said it on this show and I'm gonna
echo this again. I don't freaking care that he's twenty

(52:39):
four years old. That does not matter to me, and
it really shouldn't matter to anybody. I mean, NFL running backs,
if you get the second contract, if the guy is
going to be you know somebody were talking about at
then obviously he gets the second contract. He's freaking hashtag
good okay, And the NFL is like where it was

(53:01):
used to be, churn and burn. You're seeing the NFL
again changing up how they want to approach things. You're
seeing all these running backs that are older getting second contracts,
that are getting extensions by teams because they're still freaking
good man, like RG Harvey is such a good player man.
And it's not again going back to the size too,
and this goes back to the film and the analytical

(53:23):
profiles where it's like, Okay, I don't care if you're
five nine, two oh five, two ten, if you run
bigger than that, if you use because if you have
the leg drive, the finishing power, you run pissed off
to where you're finishing, and you're getting some of these
dessert yards, Like it's not the main meat and potatoes

(53:43):
of the play, but you're getting the two yards after it.
It doesn't matter that you're two o five. If you
run like you're two fifteen, you two twenty five, that
doesn't matter to me because there's plenty of guys that
are out there, the Braylan Allens of the world, that
are huge and they don't run like it. So it's
not just about your size and your build. RJ. Harvey

(54:04):
bred I don't know if you finalize your your pre
NFL draft ranks. I mean, I've said it from the
very beginning. He is my RB five and he is
a top five running back in this class.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Yeah, he'll probably even be up for debate he'll probably
end up at five for me as well, if I
had to get obviously Gent's one to Marians two, and
then there's just like this amorphous blob of like six
guys where you're like what flavor you want?

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Yep, But like he had a lower stuff rate.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Than astro genty, Like he had twice the point of
attack changed percentage rate of ash Gentsy, meaning like how
often he gets the point of attack and then has
to like make a move to attack something else. Okay,
he was at like over fourteen percent. Marcus Yarns, by
the way, three percent. So it's like Marcus Yarns is
get into the hole and he's either he's getting stuffed.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Or he's going through that hole, whereas R. J.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Harvey is like it's almost lay beyond bell ish where
he will try to find whatever little gap he can.
He'll he'll slither, he'll slide, he'll do these crazy jump cuts,
Like he's not gonna he's not just gonna, you know,
run behind his guard and hope for the best. Like
he is going to do work to find the little
crack at daylight. And again, if you're talking about a

(55:15):
guy who gets stuffed less than Ashton jen who never
gets stuffed, Like that's that's crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
And Harvey led the Big Twelve in rushing touchdowns twenty
two of them this season, also top three in the
conference in rushing yards back to back years, and I
think that's very impressive because of two things. One, UCF
they were just making their move to power for play.
They were a G five program before that. And in
addition to that, in twenty twenty three, when they like
kind of put Alabama on notice in the first half
that game, everyone was like, Oh, who's this RJ. Harvey guy?

(55:45):
And they knew besides RJ. Harvey and the mobile quarterback
like that was their entire game. They did not have
a downfield presence at UCF, so you know, it's like
the spotlight was on him and he continued to make
moves and continue to make plays after initial content. So
I like the spot on RJ. Harvey there. And then Deebro,
go ahead and round us out with your final sleeper

(56:06):
of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Please, dude, I wish this guy wasn't coming out in
such a stacked running back class, Like, yeah, I wish
that TOAJ Brooks was came out in last year's class
because I know he's gonna go lower than he should
considering the talent and stuff like that, Like he's gonna
go somewhere on day three. And again when you were
talking about a lot of whether you're looking at rankings

(56:30):
or things like that, like you're not gonna see Tage
Brooks ranked inside of everybody's top ten, top twelve at
the position. This kid can freaking play, though. Man, he
reminds me. I just when I watched Tage Brooks, he
reminded me so much of Damian Pierce, another player that
I loved when he came out. Man, like thickly built,

(56:51):
underrated in the passing game, and I know people are
gonna look at his past game numbers and the analytics
and yards per route run and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yeah, yeah, great, Yeah, you turn.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
On the film. This kid is a good receiver out
of the backfield. He's got some spots where I mean,
I'm watching film and he runs up the seam and
grabs a one hand or over his freaking shoulder and
he's like showing you ball tracking, better build up speed
than people would give him credit for, and the utility.
I really like TODJ. Brooks Man as a player that like,

(57:19):
do you want to put him in an offense where
you're gonna ask him like you don't want him running
outside zone? You want to don't want him trying to
gain the edge on every single play, but you stick
him in a gap skin, you put him an inside
zone even depending on how you want to sit here
and design your run game one cut and go or
just get downfield. He no nonsense, ain't playing around. Can

(57:39):
be a three down running back for you from day one.
Pass protects his ass off like I can make you
a really good narrative that TOAJ brooks is in that
like top three, top four as far as pass protectors
at the running back position in this class, as well
as like in the archetype of running back that he is.
He's a volume guy, can chew up volume. He's a

(58:02):
build ups speed type of guy. The fact that he
did what he did in his final season in college
behind Texas text just doodoo butter offensive line like they
were fifty second and run blocking grade. And you see
so many plays where it's like people that don't know
what they're watching will be like, oh, he's got vision issues. Bro,
There's so many running back running plays where if it
wouldn't Todge Brooks back there make it something out of nothing,

(58:23):
it would have been a two yard loss, a three
yard loss, him stuffed at the damn line. But Todge
Brooks turned something into nothing so consistently. Again, he's not
going to go high in the draft, but a player that,
if you were to tell me, injuries happen and he
ends up walking away in his rookie season. When a
Tyler Algier type of rookie season he goes for a

(58:44):
thousand yards or he has the Damian Pierce type of
rookie season, I will not be shocked at all.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Dude, Brett, have you looked at Brooks at all? I mean,
just a true workhorse guy, nearly six hundred carries over
the past two season, three thousand rushing yards, twenty seven
touchdowns in that span.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
For text tech, the running back that keeps you on schedule, right,
It's it's not about getting the explosive plays with him.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
It's about rescuing you from bad plays. Okay.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
And it's it's pretty easy to kill a drive if
you're in second and thirteen. It's a lot harder to
kill a drive if you're in second and eight and
it's still going to look like two yards on the
box score, but it's like it could have been minus three.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
And I think that's.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Really why he's going to be successful as an early
down back in the NFL, because A he's going to
keep you on schedule, and b he also has third
down flexibility, specifically as a pass protector. He's one of
the best blocking backs in this entire draft. Locker room leader,
like he is off the charts as far as like

(59:42):
character and work ethic, two time Captain, academic, All American,
So like just you throw all these things together and
you're like, all right, we have an early down running
back who's going to consistently get us to third and manageable,
you know.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
And when we're on third manageable, like we can leave.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Him one on one against you know, some like a
Zach Bond type linebacker that's normally gonna chew up running backs,
Like we think he can survive the mailstrom of violence
that is Zach Bond, and then we're gonna pick up
the first down. He's gonna keep us right back on schedule. Again.
I think he is the quintessential like fourth round running

(01:00:18):
back in this class, Like if I just need a
guy who I know is going to be good, know
is going to be a contributor and like never cause
me a headache.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Ever as a GM, I'm taking Tops Brooks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Dude, if I mean right now, if I'm two teams
jump to mind right now, if they don't want to
spend like top three round capital in the running back position,
and they're like, we're gonna put the room together with
multiple running backs. If I'm the Raiders and I want
to go out and I want to address corner, I
want to address these other positions, I'm looking at TOAJ

(01:00:50):
Brooks in round four. Also the Steelers, Dude, you want
to sit here and team somebody with Jalen Warren and
you want to sit here and have two guys yeah
that can off each other's skill sets. And you want
to take the discount Nagye and make him the early
down guy and we're going to give him twelve to
fourteen care he's a freaking game and we're not. We're
dressing other positions on this team. First, have at it,

(01:01:12):
love it?

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Can I can I throw a couple at you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Please please do Cowboys? Yes, Yes, true, yes, sir, I
mean he's he's sores.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
If he goes to the Cowboys, man, Javonte's going to
get the work. I mean, you don't have much out there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
He's going to get the Chargers. Be another good guy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
And I would also say Saints, yes, Saints, right because
Alvin's getting up there. Like I was never really a
Kendrick guy anyway, Like I boy, if the Saints is
like a fourth round pick, I think that that could
work because then also like he lets you just use
Alvin to get the last vestiges of what made Kamara

(01:01:52):
great for his last couple of years, like you have TODJ. Brooks,
take a lot of the punishment, which is what he
does well. And then it's like, all right, we need
a big play like in the closer, like that's that's Alvin.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Yep. He's the guy that if you again to your point, Brett,
if you want to play twenty one and you want
to go too wide and stuff and play condensed formations,
like you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Can do it, dude. You can play full back. I
don't carries two fifteen. You play full back?

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Can you do it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Temperament, man, you just got to have the temperament to
sit here and just clear the road, or he'll just
go to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
The rams and we'll see how many clones of Kyen
Williams one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
That was the other team that I forgot man like
put him in the scheme where they get downhill power
and duo for days.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Yeah, they're gonna have to do that. They're all gonna
get carries a game.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Yeah, guys, great stuff today, Brett, thanks so much for
joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Can you please let us know how we can all
best support and find your work throughout the remainder of
the NFL draft process here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
So I have a couple things coming out on my channel.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
I have a John A.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Baron video, which I know is you play Corner, so
unless you are an IDP SICHO, it doesn't really matter
as much to you. But I have a John AY
Barron video coming out on my channel pretty soon. And
then over on the Bootleg Football podcast, we have content
that comes out.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Every single week. We do prospect interviews.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
We have Matt Miller coming on this week to talk
about like some of the enigmas in this class, including
Teterero at McMillan. We do live streams during every single
day of the draft. We are live for every single pick,
so there's like eighteen hours of live streams. If you
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Football Podcast because we are sickos that watch every single
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We're a very big proponent and supporter of a bootleg
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