Do NOT Draft These Players | Dynasty Players To AVOID (Ep. 242) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast.
I'm Ryan Warmley, joined as always by Scott Bogman and
by Pat Fitzmorris Fellas we are talking some do not
draft players for dynasty drafts. You can consider this for
dynasty startups, or you can think of it through the
prism of trades as well. Right, don't go out trade
for these guys. These are players that we want to
be avoiding in our dynasty leagues. Right now, we're going

(00:25):
to go through six players each for a total of
twelve on today's episode. Bogman, you had some thoughts about
topics like this when we were talking before the show.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, I don't really like the term do not draft.
But if I'm in a startup, I can say pretty
firmly these guys probably won't fall to a spot where
I would draft them, And I'm close to ECR on
some of them, but on the overall, I'm sure I'm
much much lower, and I think there is a case
for anybody that falls low enough, or you know, the

(00:57):
trade cost is cheap enough that I would, you know,
go out and get so. I don't really like I
also don't like being mean to all these players, you
know what I mean, like so negative, just a completely
negative show. I can do it well, but it's not
my favorite thing to do. But yeah, I think that
do not is kind of an overarching statement. It's more

(01:19):
gray than that. But just overall, we're not drafting these players.
We're not trying to trade for them. Maybe in a
certain scenario and if they're way cheap, but just generally,
these guys are way over what their market cost is
right now, their values way under that. Their values overinflated
to us, and we will also explain why fits.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
What do you think about all this kind of philosophically.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, I mean, as noted philosopher slash professional wrestler ten
the million Dollar Man Ted Dbassi once said, every man
has his price. So we don't hate players, we hate ADPs,
and sometimes players are over right. So we're going to
underscore some of the players who maybe have ADPs we
don't quite agree with. But at the right price. You know,

(02:07):
if you are a win now team and you're angling
for one of these older players we might talk about today,
sure it might make sense to you if you are
playing for the short window of twenty twenty five and
are willing to give up a second or third round
pick for one of these guys.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I just got yelled at on last week's episode of
the cycle for having never seen Mighty Ducks two and
having one of those references go over my head. I'll
just tell you right now, any wrestling reference is also going.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
You remember the million dollar Man.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I've watched one wrestling night in my life, and it
was when I had a roommate who loved wrestling and
made me watch a night of Raw one time. And
I remember Roman Reigns was there. That's like that.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Too. That's too new for me. I punched you.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I could maybe name a couple others, like John Cena
and stuff like that, but like I do not have
a role ofdex of wrestling references. Who was anywhere?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Who was a million dollar Man's Virgil? There we go, Yeah, yeah, Virgil?
Yeah yeah, okay, all right, Fitz is right there with me.
So we need peas of pea on this episode. Too
much wrestling talk already.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, that's he. That would be his forte certainly, not
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your prize. All right, guys, our players to avoid, and
there's not really any direction as far as positions to

(03:57):
include you. You guys did kind of mix it up
the different positions we went with, and we are starting
with a couple of quarterbacks, but in general, this is
kind of just whatever direction we felt like taking it.
I think we might have won tight end on the list.
The rest is going to be running backs and receivers.
Fits start us off.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Here Baker Mayfield, and I hate putting Baker Mayfield on
a list like this because I love the way he
plays like he is the ultimate gamer. And I actually
think Baker Mayfield is pretty good. The thing is, I
just don't think he's quite as good as his twenty
twenty four numbers suggest, So I think he could depreciate
in value pretty quickly. And that's what we're trying to

(04:31):
avoid in dynasty startups, players who could lose substantial value
right after we draft them. I worry that might be
the case with Mayfield. He's coming off the season in
which he threw for forty one touchdowns, and that was
with Chris Godwin hurt for part of the year, Mike
Evans missed three games, and now the Buccaneers have added
a Mecca Egbuca. Jalen McMillan had a pretty good rookie season.

(04:53):
Everything looks rosy for Baker Mayfield right now, But the
forty one TD passes, that's just not a repeat sable number.
Baker Mayfield had never thrown even thirty touchdown passes in
any other season. He also ran for three hundred and
seventy eight yards last year. He had never before had
even two hundred rushing yards in any previous season. I

(05:14):
just worry that regression is going to come a calling
for Baker Mayfield in twenty twenty five. And oh, by
the way, Mayfield has to work with yet another new
play caller. Two years ago was Dave kanalas then Canal
has left to take the Carolina head coaching job, and
it was Liam Cohen. Now Cohen has left to take
the Jacksonville coaching job. And it's going to be thirty

(05:34):
four thirty four year old Josh Grizzard. He's been promoted
from the Buccaneers passing game coordinator. Grizzard has never been
an offensive coordinator in the NFL before, So we'll see.
I mean, maybe it's a seamless transition since because Grizzard
was part of the Buccaneers offensive brain trust last year,
but maybe not.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Do you know fits on top of your head? And
I do know the answer to this question. Do you
know where Baker is ranked in twenty twenty five Redraft
rankings amongst quarterbacks?

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh, it's like six, right, it is six.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
We I just did an episode with debro and ericson
this week on the top thirty two rankings for Redraft.
He's six, And I thought that was too high just
for this year, let alone. Thinking through the prism of dynasty.
I think you're spot on that that I think we're
all kind of worried about regression. You know, these guys
who lead the league in the passing touchdown rate, like
it just tends to not really translate year over year.

(06:26):
Not to mention the question marks with you know, Mike
Evans is another year older. I know they drafted a
BUCA like Chris Godwin coming off injury. Like, I think
it's a very good receiving corp, but it is not
a surefire receiving corps. There are question marks for each
of those guys that you could at least paint the
picture of maybe taking a step back. And you mentioned that,
you know, the play caller and and just the natural

(06:47):
regression that we kind of would bake in regardless for
a guy coming off a season like this. So I
think this is a great call. I think in super
flex player, you know, managers will be more inclined to say, like, oh,
like got to get a great second quarterback or you know,
maybe even a QB one and Baker if you're you know,
just really thinking you can win now with a strategy
like that, And I think you're correct that that's not
the case. Bog Mean, what do you think about Baker.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, I mean, I think you guys are right about
Baker and his ECR right now is fourteen. I have him,
you know, closer to twenty. So I am absolutely with
you guys. He's going way overpriced right now. And it's
kind of funny his OC is only four years older
than him, Fitzi's that he's thirty four. Baker's thirty, you know,
which doesn't mean a lot in the NFL. You can
last a long time in the NFL quarterback, but Baker

(07:30):
is a smaller frame QB. He's had injuries in the
past as well. I think you're right about the forty touchdowns.
I don't think that's repeatable at all, you know, I mean,
what would you said is over under at right now?
Fits he twenty eight thirty, Like I know, he'd never
done thirty before. But he also the past two seasons
five hundred and sixty six, five hundred and seventy attempts.

(07:52):
He only had one other season of over five hundred attempts.
So he's getting volume in Tampa.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, high twenties, high twenty Because I like Patrick Mahomes
had what like forty touchdowns a couple of years ago,
but the last two years have been twenty seven and
twenty six, right, So like that's that's not an abnormally
low number from someone, like the forty touchdown seasons, just
there aren't a lot of quarterbacks that can just roll
those year after year after year.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
You know who would love Baker right now is the
Cleveland Browns. I think they would love Baker. But you know,
I think you guys are right. I think you know,
Baker has had some unbelievable seasons here. But yeah, I
do think that we're we're looking down the barrel of
a big regression season this year.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
You have a quarterback on this list as well, Bogman.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, it's Toua And I hate talking against to He's
such a fun player to watch. He's such a good quarterback.
Still fifteenth in average points per game last season nineteenth
and twenty twenty three and super flex. He's still a
nice option. He can still be useful, but he's one
hit away from not playing again. There's also big questions

(09:00):
about Tyreek Hill's health. You know, this risk injury seems
like you know, we talked to Depak, it may be
chronic something that he just has to deal with. For
the rest of his career, and the offensive line is worse.
I are still not good. I guess I should say
Taryn Arms said miss time anyway, But it's just it's
not a good environment for a guy like Tua with

(09:23):
his injury history to last. That is my overarching thought
process here. And I know a lot of people probably
think that I'm saying this because of Quinn. It has
nothing to do with Quinn. Quinn is a seventh round pick.
I don't think he's threatening right now at all. I
think Zach Wilson would get the first crack if anything
should happen to Tua. I just I am afraid in

(09:43):
super flex. If you're rostering him and he's like, you
know your second QB not your third, you have an issue.
His ECR right now is twenty two. I have him
at twenty five because I want him as a QB three,
but I do not want him as a QB two.
It is a daunch line that I had because I
just don't think that you can depend on him to

(10:04):
play the entire season. He's two injury prone. He puts
himself in too many bad scenarios. I mean, I'm sure
you've seen the memes worm of you know Tua as
soon as he comes off the injured list, and it's
him diving headfirst into a crowd, you know what I mean.
He plays with hard, he leaves it all out there,
but I think it's all gonna be left out there

(10:25):
sooner rather than later. So for Tua, to me, he's
a guy I'm avoiding because of the injury history. I
have one other guy like this, maybe really two other
guys like this on this list. But it's unfortunate because
he's still unbelievably skilled and the setup is nice. Hill
and waddle are a nice combo. Having the h Chan
out of the backfield is a good thing for a quarterback.

(10:47):
His offense is healthy, he's not. So that's my issue
with Tua is that I'm just afraid one more bump
in the road and it's the last bump.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
He said that he's a very fun player to watch.
I actually don't find him fun to watch because I'm
on the edge of my seat when I'm watching him,
and every time he takes a hit, I get really nervous.
I feel scared for him and his choice to play.
And I'm not trying to take that away from him,
but it makes my toes crow watching him take a hit.
And you know, the thing about TUA two is like

(11:19):
not just the injury stuff like that is so apparent,
but even setting that aside, I will never forget that
a couple of years ago he led the league in
passing and was QB nineteen in fantasy. Like, if you're
not running and providing that value elsewhere, it is so
hard to elevate into that difference making fantasy quarterback. And

(11:39):
I doubt we will see him be a difference maker
at quarterback ever again in his career. He might be
a capable starter and a superflex in certain seasons, but
I doubt will ever see him be a difference makers.
So if you're not even getting that ceiling and the
floor is the next hit could be his last. Yeah,
I think this isn't This is a clear one to
avoid fits.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, good point about the running worm. I mean like
I think in a one QB dynasty, startup two is
like a late round pick where the quarterback, the laws
of supply and demand just diminished the importance of the
quarterback position. In superflex, yeah, he definitely has a lot
more value, But put it this way, I have to
in two different dynasty leagues. In one of those leagues,

(12:19):
I've already got some like contingencies. I've got Kyler and
Sam Darnold and you know, wishing upon a star with
Joe Milton. But in the other league, my only other
quarterback was Bryce Young, and I was picking one O
two in the rookie draft this year. Bogman, you know
how much I love Omarion Hampton. I picked cam Ward
had ten overall, had to had to.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, I can't trust to it to stay healthy.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
That is yep.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
That's the big thing. And it, you know, I think
really more important than even first because if you're drafting,
I think you understand that. But if you are desperate
for a quarterback and he's when you can get, you're
probably still you have to pay over for any quarterback
in a super flex league, and you're especially gonna have
to pay over for him because the skill is still there.

(13:05):
But like I said, I'm just afraid one hit and
look at the names.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Look at the names that are around him in ECR
in Dynasty right now. Michael Paicks, Junior cam Or Justin Fields,
Bryce Young, JJ McCarthy, Dak Prescott is in the same
tier as him. There's upside with those names. There's downside
with some of them, certainly too. We've seen Bryce Young
be very bad in the past, and Michael Pennock hasn't
really done a lot yet. But there's upside with all those.

(13:30):
It's really hard to see the fantasy upside with TUA,
and the downside is just as bad as.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
All of them.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, the only starters that I have ranked below Tua
are Donald I just don't really believe in Donald Stafford.
I think is one year away, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson,
Tyler Shunck like, I just don't These guys either are
gone soon like Tua by the way I feel like is,
or I just don't know how long they're gonna last.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
You know, I don't know how I think Richardson is
below him, and I am.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
I have rich at twenty two, I have twenty five.
I'd rather make sewna Richardson.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Let me make one more point about TUA, like the
I don't think it was an accident that John nu
Smith had his big year last year and Jalen Waddle
and Tyreek Hill had off years like that was part
of the TUA preservation strategy of the way they designed
that offense. Last year, to averaged five point seven intended
air yards per pass attempt. That was a career that

(14:30):
was two yards lower than he was the previous year,
and twenty twenty three was at seven point seven. Twenty
twenty two he was at nine point five. Like five
point seven was by far the fewest average intended air
yards for to over his career. And like and how
long he is a quarterback?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Like that last fit right, I mean, if you're adjusting
the entire offense around him to keep him up right,
it's just not gonna last long. You're going to become
too predictable and you're not taking advantage of the big
plays from your big time playmakers. Let somebody else in there.
And like Seely said a couple weeks ago, it's kind
of funny that they went out and drafted Quinn, who
has also had injury issues at the collegiate level. It's

(15:10):
a weird fit there. But like I said, I think
Zach Wilson gets the first shot. I mean, if you
were putting the over under on Zach Wilson starts this year, FITZI,
what would you put.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
It at two and a half, two and.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
A half or three, and that's probably like if you
put it on for Tua, it's probably like fifteen, Right,
you would want to think that he last the whole season,
but I would bet the under on fifteen.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Last year, during the rookie draft, I traded Brian Thomas
Junior and Tua to get Herbert in a super flex.
And it sucks not having Brian Thomas Junior on my team,
but like, I don't regret that at all. Just going
from Tua to Herbert is such a it's just a
relief to feel like that is that spot is more
settled and doesn't have that horrible downside. Totally get it all, right, Fitz,

(15:58):
Who is your next player to avoid?

Speaker 3 (16:00):
It's James Cook And it mainly has to do with
James Cook's touchdown totals the last three seasons three, six
and then last year eighteen. That alone makes me want
to avoid Cook in Dynasty startups. This year, he's destined
to be too expensive. He's destined to experience touchdown regression. Look,

(16:23):
I think Cook is really good, but he's under two
hundred pounds, so there's no real workhorse potential here. His
single season high in carries over three NFL seasons was
two hundred and thirty seven in twenty twenty three. I
think that's probably about the ceiling for his rushing load.
And while he's a pretty good pass catcher, he's only
averaged thirty eight catches over the last two seasons. There's

(16:45):
probably room for more if he was in a different
offense with a quarterback who's more of a checkdown guy
than Josh allen Is. But I don't know if James
Cook has Alvin Kamara type pass catching upside. And I
also think Ray Davis is pretty good, So I don't
know how much leverage Sames Cook has an angling for
a new contract from the Bills. I think Cook's a
good player. I'm just I'm not trying to dump on him,

(17:08):
but he's not cheap in Dynasty, and he's a guy
I would be just sort of drafting around in twenty
twenty five Dynasty startups.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Bob, I mean, what do you make a Cook? Right now?
Given everything you know, like Fitz lays out with, you know,
the touchdown stuff, the contract stuff is kind of everything,
what do you make a Cook?

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I think there's just an easy way to see him
be overvalued, right, And it's because of those crazy touchdowns.
And I do have him high in my rankings. I
have him at eleven among RB's Where do you have him,
FITZI on your RB rankings?

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I have got Cook, You've got him eleven. Huh. I
have him for Dynasty.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Fourteen fourteen. His ECR right now is ten. So we're
both below. I mean on only one spot, we're both below.
I guess the nice thing about Cook is that he
doesn't he doesn't need a ton of touches to produce,
which is great, But he's not gonna have sixteen touchdowns.
And I think Ray Davis is great. And I also
think the spot that he lands up in is going

(18:14):
to make a huge difference for him. I would love
to see him in like Minnesota, where they throw the
ball a ton and he could have more receptions there
and you know a low amount of Carrieres kind of
do what Aaron Jones did last season. But you know
how many of those sixteen touchdowns, how many are going
to go to Ray Davis this year there? I'm sure
they're going to have him more involved. How many is
Josh Allen going to Vulture again?

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Right?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Like there's just too many options on this team. Like
you said, he's never going to be a thirty touch guy,
so the upside is cap So I understand this one
as a call out.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
For sure, Dalvin Cook's little brother going to Minnesota would
be pretty fun.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I have to admit, Yeah, yeah, I think he's a
perfect fit there, just like his brother was. I think
it's a great fit.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Fogman, let's go to a running back from you.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
It's McCaffrey for me. Man, I hate doing this one.
I love McCaffrey so much, and I'm only one spot
below ECR on him. I have him at eighteen because
I still think the trade value is really high on him.
And but we know that rbs with these enormous workloads
burn out pretty quick, and CMC could buck that trend.

(19:22):
He's an unbelievable talent. He's pushing two thousand touches right now.
He's just under nineteen hundred eighteen hundred and seventy one.
The only guys active that have more touches than him
are Henry Mixon and Kamara. Barkley's four touches behind him
with all that time that he missed last season, CMC.
I also don't trust what the Niners say about him

(19:44):
at all. Ever, how could you after what happened last year?
How can you trust this organization to tell you what
the truth is about this guy moving forward? And I
just don't like the bilateral Achilles tendonitis that is from
o Use. So I think that if McCaffrey wants to
last in the NFL, he is going to have to

(20:06):
find a different workload. It has to be much smaller.
So this is either what we're getting. We're either getting
one or two seasons of heavy workload and then probably
not a lot after that at all because he'll be
completely cooked. Or you're gonna have to mix in Grendo,
You're gonna have to mix in Jordan James. You're gonna
have to do different things with McCaffrey to keep him

(20:28):
on the field. For years, we've heard Shanahan say we're
gonna take him off the field a little bit more
because he just has to have it, and then they don't.
And I don't necessarily blame him for that. It's hard
to take the best player on the field off the field,
especially when you need him most NFL games are close.
I get it, But and I think that the perception

(20:50):
of McCaffrey is good because it's like, well, they traded
away Jordan Mason, they waited to draft Jordan James, so
not a huge name there. Deebo is gone as well,
and he was taking running back carries. I just don't
trust this guy to stay healthy, and I don't trust
anything the Niners are saying about him. So those two things.

(21:10):
Is he still incredibly skilled running back? Yes. Would it
be the most shocking thing in the world if he
went out and had an enormous year again. No, I
just don't believe it's going to happen again. I think
we're on the backside, and I think the backside turned
after he got hurt last year, and that's where we're at.
And I think his usage is either his usage is

(21:31):
gonna go down or his career is gonna be over
very fast. So I think one of those two things
is gonna happen. So I'm avoiding Christian McCaffrey. If I'm rostering,
I'm trying to move him. I just don't really want
him on my team.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
The only scenario where Christian McCaffrey is on my roster
is if I am like a stacked team win now,
and he's on a rebuilding team and they're willing to,
you know, take a lower price just to get an
Asian running backcross their team. There's no world in a
dynasty startup draft where I'm drafting him. It's just not
these not the type of player I will ever be
interested in. Despite the fact that I agree he could

(22:03):
have an excellent year this year and nobody's jaw would
be on the floor if he was already one this season,
this is not the type of guy I'm going to
go after in year one of a startup And even
in it, even if I'm like, oh, I'm a playoff
team and I'll try to get over the top, I
still might not even go after them, Like I have
to be like, okay, I'm a loaded team, Like let's
just really, like, you know, go for another win here.

(22:24):
That's the only scenario fits.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
He has missed six or more games in five of
the last seven seasons, and I think it's nine or
more games in four of the last seven seasons. So yes,
you can't count on the health. You cannot count on
the truth from Kyle Shanahan. You can only count on
the truth from doctor Klaus Kleinschmidt or whatever medical expert

(22:48):
in Germany McCaffrey happens to be seeing at the moment. Yeah,
I get it, But where am I do agree with you?
He does have appeal if you're especially if you're one
of several teams that look like primed for championships, and
he might be a way to, you know, should you
get that mostly healthy season, McCaffrey is a guy who

(23:11):
could potentially push you past some of those other contenders.
It's just like you know, you're you're putting the pedal
to the medal with a car that might not be
able to withstand that sort of those sort of g
forces in the turns and the tires might not be
able to take it. But like he is that, I'd
gopher broke last piece to maybe put you over the top.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
McCaffrey or Henry fits.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
I mean, I'd rather just go with even though in
the most dynasty leagues are PPR and Henry doesn't really
help you there, but.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
He scores so many touchdowns. Like I'd just rather take Henry.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
I think I'm kind of with you there.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I get I get the aging stuff, and I think
just in market value see him, he still holds more
value than McCaffrey because every year it feels like a
lot of people are saying, well, this is the year
Henry drops off, and it just doesn't happen. It keeps
not happening. He had an incredible year.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
They are back to back in ECR for what to.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Take that back, I do have McCaffrey ranked two spots
higher in Dynasty.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
McCaffrey is one spot higher in consensus.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, I think in a startup, you know, maybe, but
I have I have them back to back as well.
But I have Henry seventeen McCaffrey eighteen.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, I mean, like I guess if you're thinking about
it through that prism, I'm viewing both of them as
very short term obviously, And yeah, I take short term.
In Dynasty, I basically am thinking one year, Like maybe
you get more years, but I'm basically thinking one year.
And in Redraft this year, I think Derrick Henry will
go ahead of McCaffrey. He should, so by that logic,

(24:45):
I should say if I'm if I'm a rostic eyes
of them on my Dynasty team, I probably should prefer Derek.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
It's a good way to look at it, is you know,
all these players you can look at through a different
length of their career prism right, They doesn't have to
be a three year window for everybody. You know, if
you're doing overall ranks, maybe it helps, but you know
you look at every player case by case. I think
you're absolutely right, Worm. One year is all you can
count on for these older running backs. We know the

(25:12):
falloff is real big when it comes. So you know,
looking at one year, how can you not trust Henry
more than McCaffrey right now?

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All right, fits, who's your next player to avoid?

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Travis Etn? He is going into the final year of
his contract. He was outplayed by Tank Bigsby last season,
and now the Jaguars have drafted the speedy bashall Tutan
This new Jaguars regime with thirty four year old James
Gladstone as the GM worm. I think he might be
younger than you, even maybe he doesn't know who Ted

(26:40):
Dbiassi is either, Like he saw base Shall tooton and said, yeah,
I want that. Like this new regime has no alignance
to Travis Etn. And getting back to last year, Etn
averaged three point seven yards per carry. He averaged two
point four to eight yards per carry yards after contact

(27:01):
per carry, which was more than a full yard less
than Tank Bigsby averaged last year. Like Etn only missed
only forced seventeen missed tackles last season, Biggsby forced forty
six and Bigsby only had a few more carries than Etn.
Biggsby averaged zero point seventy four rushing yards over expected
per carry that was top ten in the league. Etn

(27:22):
averaged minus zero point two eight rushing yards over expected
per carry. He was just bad last year. Etn is
still only twenty six, but like twenty six, isn't really
that young by the standards of the RB position. Next
year he might be in a more favorable spot. It
will be twenty seven. And uh, you know, like I
suppose it's possible the Jags trade Etn this year to

(27:43):
a team like Dallas, But I don't know. As in
effective as Etn was last year, we totally sure that
he could beat out Jayden Blue for touches. So I
just I do not really see that much appealed to
to Travis Etn anymore. And it's weird because two years
ago we were looking at him as kind of a
blue chip fantasy asset.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
On Wikipedia James Gladstone is listed as born in either
nineteen ninety or nineteen ninety one. It doesn't seem to
know for sure either of those is older than me.
Still not by much. I was born in ninety two.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
But you do grow better facial hair than he does.
The one his mustache look like a starter's mustache for sure.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
On Draft night, bagman Travis Eta, and do you agree
with it? I mean I'm in total agreement here, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I mean, look, I think I still hold out hope
that he could go somewhere else because I just don't
know that Travis etn really ever got a fair shake
came in injured Urban Meyer. I don't really like what
Doug Peterson did in Jacksonville at all. I don't know
how much of a fair shake he got, but he
just didn't play well last year period. End of a story, right,
That's kind of all you have to do right now.

(28:52):
His ZCR is thirty two. I am at thirty eight
among running backs, so more of an RB four to me.
So there's still a little upside that maybe we can
get a Chuba like resurgence here from him. But I mean,
based on what where, that's the question you know, maybe
it could happen, but if what we saw last year

(29:12):
is what Travis etn is moving forward, we're not gonna
find it. So yeah, I'm absolutely with fits here. I'm
not taking it's just too much of a risk. And
like you said, Liam Cohen coming in with his duval
you know, and all that stuff. Look, he's just he's
not committed to any of these rbs. They did not
need to add an RB and they did, so it

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seems to me like they don't really like him either.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Bogwan, You've got another running back here on the list.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, Tyrone Tracy right now, his ECR is twenty six.
I have at thirty two, and I don't think he's
dead the dude.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Can we all know, Bogman, this is because you love
Cam Skataboo.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I mean that is a big part of it, of course,
but I mean just think about it physically, right, Like
Cam Skataboo, he's not a gigantic back. He's not you know,
people want to compare him to Mike Alsatt. He's not
nearly as big as Mike cal Start was, but he
plays the same way. He's a big power running back.
He's going to have the short yardage stuff. And also
he's built bigger. He's built for a bigger workload than

(30:12):
Tyrone Tracy is, and he might last longer than guys
like James Connor and DeAndre Swift. But I'd rather have
the Vets. He's going ahead of those guys right now.
B rob didn't get much in the way of competition.
I'd rather have Bryan Robinson. Warren and Charbonay are still
young and have upside. I'd rather give them a shot

(30:33):
than take a shot at Tyrone Tracy. And obviously I
think Skataboo is the man. Everybody knows that worm. You
pointed it out immediately, so I think he's the touch
leader between himself and Tracy by the end of the year.
But also I mean, and I have to admit this
for Redraft as well, that Devin Singletary loves to ruin

(30:53):
a young running backs opportunity. I don't know who he
ruins this year between Skataboo and Tyrone Tracy, but remember,
you know, he was a guy keeping Cook down, he
was a guy keeping Damian Pierce down. I just Devin
Singletary loves to ruin scenarios. So they have three backs
that can do it. I think this season he takes

(31:14):
a decent step back. Beyond that, I do think he's skilled.
I do think he can produce. But think about like
Rashad White. You know what happened when Bucky came in.
Rashad White went to a low end RB two RB three.
So I think that's kind of the ceiling. Now we're
gonna see with Tyrone Tracy moving forward. He fumbled a

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lot at the end of the year, which I think
has led to Skataboo being drafted as well. This guy
is going into his fourth season of playing running back,
so he has a lot to learn. I just think
that he's gonna become more of a role player than
your every snap RB for the Giants, And while that
role could be decent in fantasy, it's not. It's just

(31:59):
not as a high end RB three. It's a low
end RB three, probably closer to an RB four eventually.
So for me, if I'm rostering Tracy, I'm getting rid
of him as soon as I can.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
What do you think, Fitz.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I think I mentioned this year before, but the parallels
between Tyrone Tracy and Antonio Gibson are almost a little
bit eerie. Like both former college receivers converted into running backs,
both with some pretty exciting flashes as rookies, both with
serious fumbling problems, or at least you know, year one

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was that way for Tracy. I think this could kind
of go either way for Tracy. I think ultimately he
probably settles it as just a committee back somewhere, like
the guy who plays more on passing downs. I like him.
I still think he's talented. But yeah, there was probably
a time last year when some Dynasty managers and certainly

(32:58):
the Dynasty managers who had Tracy again the rosters, were
thinking that he might be might turn into like some
foundational piece for them, and I think that was maybe
a bridge too far. So I think he has value,
but like I can't understand why Bogman is inclined to
fade him.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
You Know who I think could end up on the
list like this next year is a guy like Jayden Blue,
who I love, who's a Texas guy. But like, if
he gets a decent amount of carries for Dallas and
he looks good, I think he could be the same scenario.
They could go draft a bigger back who's going to
take a heavy workload and push him down the bench
a lot. We you know, we've we've seen this scenario

(33:37):
work out a decent amount where you know, a guy
comes in, he's low on the depth chart, he works
his way up to number one, and he looks good
doing it. Uh, they burn out pretty quick a lot
of times, and I think Tyrone Tracy is just another
guy in that pile.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Unfortunately, that's a great call. Fits Let's go to your
next Playati Void And just for the record, this was
also on Bogman's list. It's kind of both the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Rashi Rice, I totally stole him from Bogman he has.
I was looking at one set of ADP data for
Dynasty and Rashi Rice had an ADP in Superflex super
Flex mind you, a thirty ninth overall early fourth round,
just behind aj Brown and Jackson Smith and Jigba, higher
than t Higgins and Roma Dunes. I don't really get it. Yeah,

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Rice was terrific in twenty twenty three when Patrick Mahomes
had Rashee Rice and Travis Kelcey and really no one
else to throw to. But it was sort of gimmicky production.
Like Rashi Rice had an average depth of target of
four point eight yards that year. Was just a lot
of schemed up touches. And there's no denying that Rice

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is very good at what he does. But there's also
no denying that the existence of Xavier Worthy is kind
of an obstacle for Rashie Rice. Like Worthy really came
on down the stretch last season, and I think he's
a better conventional wide receiver than Rashie Rice, a guy
who can beat defenders with his route running. Also, we
should probably acknowledge the possibility that Rashie Rice is a

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bit of a knucklehead after the whole drag racing episode
in Dallas. So I don't know. I don't want to
dis receipt Rashi Rice and his fantasy value too much,
but I do think he's being overvalued.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Bogman, clearly you agree because he was idast.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
I mean, look, I think I think a pretty good
side by side comparison to their career might be Juju,
who's a teammate of his who had an enormous season,
then had a bad injury and was never the same guy. Right,
Rashie Rice is coming off a pretty bad injury here,
So that's not to mention the off the field stuff
and the fact that Xavier Worthy took a big step

(35:48):
last season, right, and they also drafted Jalen Royals, who
I feel like is going to get some targets here.
You know, he's not the reason why I had Rashi
Rice on my list, but you know, it's just another
log on the fire, I think. So we don't know
what he's going to look like. We don't know about
the suspension, and Xavier Worthy took a huge step. He
had an enormous Super Bowl and Playoff run. So I

(36:10):
just I'm not so excited about Rashie Rice as other
people are. Gim me key, guys work out. I mean,
Wes Welker had a role in the NFL for a
long time. He was great at what he did. He
produced for fantasy. Sometimes these guys work out. I just
think coming off of a massive injury like that on
a team that you know should run the ball a
little bit more. They had a lot of running back

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injuries last year. Hopefully but Checo gets back and is healthy.
So I just I really think that he is being overinflated.
I have him as my wide receiver twenty seven. His
ECR is eighteen right now, so I mean, obviously I'm
much lower on Superflex than him is our Superflex. He's
at forty eight. I think it was forty eight or

(36:51):
forty nine something like that, not thirty nine. Was that
what you said, FITZI from the ADP.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, thirty nine overall and Superflex.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Have high price for him.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Where do you guys have Worthy ranked amongst dynasy wide receivers?

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I have Worthy twenty two and Rice twenty five.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Let me look at it. I have Worthy.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
I know Bogman's got to have Worthy higher than Rashi Rice.
That's a slam Don twenty two former Texas Longhorne.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, yeah, twenty two, and I have Rice to twenty seven.
So about five spots different. But one's a wide receiver, two,
one's a wide receiver. Three. That's kind of how I
see it.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, Bogwin probably also has eighty Mitchell ahead of Rashi
Rice as a former long part.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Did I just talk crap about potentially Jayden Blue before?
Come on? Yeah, I'm pretty objective here most of the time.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, I know, Hey, I avoided ty Felton then a
lot of Dress because I didn't like the landing spot.
So yeah, we can all be objective. What do we
need to be?

Speaker 2 (37:46):
It's either really good or really bad. You know that's true, Bogman.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Who's your next player to avoid.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Let's go with Aaron Jones. Let's go back to running
backs here, and this one is I might have him
too low as ECRs RB thirty three. I have him
at forty two, and I have him behind some questionable
running backs. I'll say that, but I think I think
this is his last year's lead back. He's a great
fit in Minnesota, but I think they know they walked

(38:12):
a fine line with him last season. That's why they
ended up trading for Mason only five touchdowns. Last season.
They added a power back. McCarthy was a runner in college.
Aaron Jones is a small back. He's only had three
hundred touches twice in his career. Once was last year.
He's over thirty. This is a pass first offense. His
run grade was the lowest of his career. So was

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this yards per attempt. His breakaway percentage, which is a
big thing on PFF, it was like eighteen percent. That's
super low for a guy like Aaron Jones. Yards after
contact was this lowest since twenty eighteen. Even his blocking
was tough. He was asked to do it more because
this is a pass first team, but his lowest pass
grade since twenty twenty he allowed seven hurries in a sack.

(38:57):
I think it's just fair to say he's on the backswing.
He's over thirty, and I'm playing it year by year.
But I just expect nothing beyond the season. And I
think we see what he did last year and how
strong of a season it was for Minnesota, and they
just added Mason. They didn't go get anyone else in
the draft, even though it was a good RB class.
They don't have a lot of money to sign players.

(39:19):
I just think that Aaron Jones this is probably it
for him, and I'm just not expecting anything beyond this
season for him. I think he might be done.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, this is an easy one to me. I totally agree,
just at this age and coming off the most touches
in his career, Like, you don't know he's going to
re spot to that. Yeah, I definitely agree with you
on this one. Fits.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
What do you think, Well, I'm still optimistic for twenty
twenty five. I agree, it's tough to count on him
for anything beyond this year, But like I, I think
there are people kind of fading him for twenty twenty five. Like,
I just got him in a superflex redraft draft middle

(40:01):
of the eighth round, and I think he was like
RB twenty six overall. But I do kind of like
him just because we know the Vikings aren't gonna be
super pass heavy with a quarterback who's never thrown a
regular season pass before. We like the offense, or at
least I do a Kevin O'Connell offense, and we like
that the Vikings have made some pretty dramatic upgrades to

(40:25):
that soft interior of their offensive line, So I do
kind of like him for twenty twenty five. I would
not hesitate to throw like a twenty twenty six third
round draft pick to someone for him if they're rebuilding
and Aaron Jones doesn't fit what they're doing. But yeah, overall,
I can understand why you would draft around him.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
In a startup, we have Charboney or Aaron Jones.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Oh in Dynasty, Charbonay?

Speaker 2 (40:50):
What about Tony Pollard?

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Pollard?

Speaker 2 (40:55):
What about? Where do you have him? Verus Etn.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Back in ECR?

Speaker 3 (41:02):
I mean I still do have Etn higher just because
he's younger.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I did too, so yeah, I just I have him
behind like I think the questionable guys I have behind
are Tooton, Samson Benson, Like, I don't know if we're
getting anything from those guys, so maybe one year of
production is good from them. But if I'm if I'm
starting up, I think I'd rather take a shot on
those guys than Aaron Jones because I think it's one year.

(41:28):
It depends on what I already have with my roster.
You know, if I need a guy for this year
because I've taken a lot of upside shots, then I'll
take Aaron Jones if he's still there. But yeah, I'm
just I'm not an Aaron Jones guy, I guess anymore.
And I loved him coming out. I liked him more
than Jamal, so that worked.

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Speaker 4 (42:06):
Guys, a few names left here fits give us a
wide receiver Josh Downs. I just wrote about Josh Downs
as a Dynasty cell high in one of our Featured
Pros articles. Downs is just a product of what I
like to call Jamison Crowder syndrome. Fantasy gamers just tend
to overvalue these small slot receivers. Crowder was always a

(42:27):
guy a lot of people loved, even though his numbers
never really justified it, and I worry they we're sort
of going down the same road with Josh Downs.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
I do think Downs is good at what he does.
I do think he's better than Jamison Crowder, but Downs
is still being overvalued. He was wide receiver thirty last
season in Fantasy points per game, his average depth of
target was just six point nine yards, and Downs has
scored seven touchdowns in thirty one career games. The Colts

(42:55):
have this MESSYQB situation with Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones
to duking it out for the starting job, and the
Colts spent their first round draft pick on Penn State
tight end Tyler Warren, who could very well supplant Downs
as the preferred short and intermediate target in Indy. So
I'm just not at all into Downs, and I think

(43:17):
he's being overrated bagman.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
This is probably the only guy that Fitz and I
will disagree on. But I tell you what I do
agree on is this landing spot. This offense is not
healthy right now. We don't know who the quarterback is
between Richardson and Daniel Jones. All we know is that
they neither one of them can throw right It's not

(43:41):
a good scenario at all right now. And there's so
many other targets. It's not just Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren
is in the same area of the field as Downs,
which is concerning. But they also have Pittman Alec Pierce
took a huge step up last season. Mitchell is still
on this although Pierce way out played him last year.

(44:03):
They have a lot of good targets. I think his
skill is still very top tier for a wide receiver
in the league, so I have him higher than ecr.
But I completely understand, you know, the scenario in Indy,
the weapons surrounding him, the bad quarterback play of not
wanting him right now. I get that. What I think

(44:23):
for Josh Downs, the best value is going to be
is specifically if he's you know, not good this year
because of the quarterback play is get him next year.
He's a free agent in twenty seven. I think different
a change of scenario or a good quarterback could help
him a lot, because I do think he's a very
reliable target, but the situation is tough. He is undersized,

(44:47):
and those guys tend to not last as long, so
I think he's one injury away from me changing my
mind on him, though I'll say.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
That, Yeah, I mean a lot of the conversations we've
had on this show been with guys who are on
the older end, so it is interesting to go and
we have actually a couple other receivers that are coming
up who are also not on the older end, So
that tended, I think, to be more of a running
back thought process for us, at least in terms of
the guys we put out here. The receiver side. It

(45:15):
is more just guys that we are two varying degrees,
maybe not as interested in Bob when you've got another
receiver here up next.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, it's chrys Olava, and I hate this one, but
I will say that this is the first name that
popped in my mind when I saw that this was
our show for the week, right, like it has to be.
He's still super young. He's only twenty four years old.
He's finished wide receiver twenty in twenty twenty three. Wide
is here twenty seven in twenty twenty two points per
game in PPR, but he has had four concussions in

(45:44):
his NFL career already. Kellen Moore was asked about Crystal
Lava and he said, we are understanding of the circumstances
he's in. Yikes, that is not a glowing endorsement of
chrys olave is and he's definitely part of our plans
right like that sounds ominous to me. Maybe I'm overthinking

(46:06):
it here, but not only is you know he a
gigantic injury risk, he considered he has already thought about
continuing his playing career or not. So let's just say
all that is swept on the rug he does play,
it's Tyler Schuck right now or Spencer Rattler. This offense

(46:26):
is not healthy at all. It's gross. You just he's
twenty four. But to me, you have to be an
enormous gambler to take the risk on Chris olave And
I'm not so much lower than ECR. I think ECR
right now is twenty eight. I have met thirty two.
But just in terms of tears, I will not be

(46:47):
drafting Chris Olave anywhere. I will not be acquiring him anywhere.
I have zero shares, and that's just the way it's
gonna stay with Chris Olave. I think he's super talented.
I just don't trust him to stay on the field
much longer. I mean, one more bad hit and the
whole thing could be over for him. So I'm just
out on Chrys Olav.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah, kind of the receiver version of two man like fits.
I love Chris Olave the player and have been really
excited to go after him multiple different years of his career.
Like Bogin said, he's still only twenty four years old,
but I get it. It's it is really scary to
have to be relying on him in a dynasty league

(47:30):
at this point.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, he's been one of my most heavily drafted redraft
players the last couple of years. Where did you say
you have him ranked for Dynasty Bogs thirty two? Oh okay,
so yeah, I'm pretty much right with you. I've actually
gotten at thirty three. Yeah. I think he's really good,
but we do have to bake in the risk it's
that simple with him. And you know, I hope, I

(47:52):
hope they do take every precaution. I hope he's wearing
a Guardian cap and every game this year and that
they give him a chance. But yeah, like you've got
the concussion risk, you've got the obvious limitations of the
Saints wretched quarterback situation right now, which you know, like,
I don't think there's any way around it being terrible

(48:14):
for twenty twenty five, Like the despite the Mickey Loomis
m o of never thinking you're rebuilding. I don't see
any scenario where the Saints go out and sign Aaron
Rodgers this year. So yeah, money to sign Aaron Rodgers,
right right, It's gonna be bad for twenty twenty five.
And you know, you just you just hope that Alavia

(48:35):
can sort of put the concussion issues to rest. But
I don't know if I'm not as.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Worried about the on field stuff as you guys, Like,
I mean, if they are bad this year, I think
there's a good chance that they will be in position
to maybe go get like an arch Manning next year.
And a lot is young enough that it's not like
this is his last chance to be productive for you.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Like it just has to come together. Worm, that's the thing.
Like he has to be held healthy, right, You has
to make a health season healthy. And they have to
be in a spot to get a quarterback. Let's say
Shook is okay and they finish with seven wins, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
But I Shook is okay and he's healthy, I think
he'll be productive because there's not a ton of target
competition on this team. Yeah, getting those kinds of wins
where they're not able to get a great quarterback prospect,
I think a lot of it will be productive, assuming health.
The health is the thing.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, but more targets means more opportunities to get hurt.
Like I just I'm getting out from under because I
just don't think, yeah, he's gonna last long. And by
the way, they do have a little cap space because
Car retired, so they have I think twenty two mil
right now, they're doing okay.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
All right, Fit, You've got a tight end here up
next TJ Hockinson. And when I was looking at those
Dynasty adp for one QB and super Flex the other day, TJ.
Hockinson was going sixtieth overall in one QB and seven
first overall in Superflex, So late fifth round in one QB,
late sixth in super Flex. That just seems way too

(50:06):
rich to me. Like Hockinson turns twenty eight in July,
he's had a major knee injury torn ACL and MCL
in late twenty twenty three. He's sharing targets with Justin
Jefferson and Jordan Addison this season. Those targets are going
to be coming from a guy who has yet to
throw pass in an NFL regular season game in JJ McCarthy.

(50:29):
So it's not a great target outlook for Hockinson, and
I worry that by the time the target outlook improves,
he's going to be way past his prime. And also,
it's not like Hockinson has ever been some big fantasy rainmaker.
His highest single season touchdown total is six. So yeah,
I just I can't see splurging on TJ. Hockinson in

(50:51):
a dynasty startup.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
This is the only tight end we're talking about here, Bogman,
Do you agree or disagree with It's no.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I agree, and I probably have him close to the
range in what did you say, It was sixties and seventies. Yeah,
I think I have him seventies and nineties something like that,
or eighties and nineties something like that. In my overall
I but I have him as tight end seven. I
have him behind Loveland and Warren. I think they're both

(51:19):
you know, they're both good enough to immediately be ranked
ahead of him. So many guys in Minnesota. Uh, yeah,
I'm with FITZI. This is just I don't think I'm
at staunch on it, but I'm definitely have him lower overall.
So yeah, I'm just I'm probably not gonna be rostering
too much hawkets in either.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Bogman, You've got one last player for us.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I saved the best one for last. I'm not sure
if it's is gonna love or hate this one, but
I've got his boy, Jayden Reid on this list as
ECRs wide receiver thirty nine. I have him at forty six,
and he finished as wide receiver forty two last season
in points per games, And if we take away some
small sample size, maybe he sneaks into like the back

(52:02):
end of a wide receiver three right wide receiver thirty six.
But he was a disappointment. The snap percentage was the
biggest disappointment to me, Like it was a crazy mix
all year between Reed, Dobbs, Wicks, and Watson, but Reid
was under sixty percent in six of the last nine
games of the season. The Packers went out and drafted Golden,

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their first first rounder since it was two thousand and two,
right when they took Javon Walker FITZI like, they just
don't do this. They also added Savi and Williams. They
signed Miko Hartman, probably mainly to play special teams, but
he's a speed threat that they lost when Watson went
down for the year. It's still only twenty five, but
he's stuck in Green Bay for two more seasons. I

(52:45):
love his skill set. He's like an underused debo, but
I hate the spot for him. It just seems like
he's fallen out of favor. He's still skilled, twenty fourth
in YAK among whiteouts, despite being forty fifth in receptions.
When he's on the field, he's great. He's just not
on the field. The Packers also are a run first team.
They had the third fewest pass attempts last season. You know, so, guys,

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you know Philly was last. Devonte Smith and a Brown
can make it work because they're out on the field
for ninety to one hundred percent of the snaps. They
don't come off the field Jayden Reed does. He gets
moved in and out. They've added talent at this position.
They're a run first team. I think Jayden Reed is
a guy to buy. You know, maybe in a couple

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seasons at the end of next year when it's bad
again and he's going to be a free agent. I
highly doubt they're gonna pay him, so, you know, get
him somewhere else. I think that would be better. But
I just don't like Jayden Reed in Green Bay. I
like Green Bay, I like the offense, I like Jayden Reid,
but together it just has not worked for fantasy fits.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Nobody watches more Packers than you.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
What do you think, Yeah, I'm glad I'm not the
only one who's bothered by the fact that Jayden Reid
so often has these snap shares of like sixty to
sixty five percent in games, and it didn't matter as
much in twenty twenty three when he despite those smaller snapshares,
he was getting a pretty high percentage of targets with

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the snaps. He had like a high a decent number
of targets per route run. But then last year we
saw that drop off. He actually played one more game
than he played in his rookie year and had I
think nineteen fewer targets.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
So then, like you said, Boggs, they go out draft
save On Williams, who, like that was one of the
things we liked about Jayden Reed that the Packers found
ways to get him the ball on like he schemed
up touches, bubble screens, jet sweeps. What's Savveon Williams.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
All about, Like that's what he does.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Yeah, schemed up touches and you know, by the way,
whereas Reading's kind of a smaller guy, Savveon Williams is
a freaking monster. He's like six five two twenty. Yeah,
I kind of have issues, and like you know, now
it seems like maybe Reads not that content with his
role in the Packers, like we had Drew Rosenhaus's agent

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kind of get involved, looking for some clarity and like
what the Packers see as his role going forward. So yeah,
I can kind of understand shying away from him, even
though this is not a team with like a lot
of proven pass catchers, and I do think Jayden Reid
is one of their more talented guys, but it's just
like I don't know exactly what the role is supposed

(55:28):
to be and if the snap shares are ever going
to start ticking up.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
FITZI, how do you rank your interest in all the
pass catchers in Green Bay in Dynasty?

Speaker 3 (55:40):
I mean, who do I have ranked highest of the
packer receivers in Dynasty? It is? Yeah, it is. I
think it is. No, I've read one spot ahead of Golden.
I have those guys back to back, thirty five and
thirty six.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Is for not how much he disliked Golden.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Is Craft third or to be another receiver ahead of him,
just since there's a general interest. I know you're not.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Oh yeah, it would. It would be Craft ahead of
either Dobbs or like Doves isn't bad. But he's just
another guy. He's just a depth guy for your fantasy roster.
Some would call him a roster clogger probably.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
I mean, put him in New England and he's great,
But in Green Bay, where he's definitely third among the
wide receivers, not a good pick. These guys need to
get out of here. It's not you know, the offense works,
so I don't. I don't fault the offense. Josh Jacobs works,
Love is fine, Tucker Craft is good, but when you

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rotate this position so much, it's hard to know when
these guys are going to take a huge step up
in their fantasy value on a week to week basis,
and it makes them harder to start.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
And Green Bay did get really run heavy last year,
and maybe that has something to do with the target
dropped up drop off for Reid, But like maybe the
run heaviness sticks because the Packers were pretty good a
running the ball last year.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
And you should have Marshawn Lloyd back and save on
Williams back. I mean, Reid had twenty carries last year,
which was up nine from his rookie year of eleven.
So I think that I just don't know what his
role is going to be, and I don't think anybody
else does either. I don't think you can confidently say

(57:20):
what it's going to be.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
All Right, we'll ahead and get out there on that.
Thank you everybody for tuning in. Those are our players
to avoid in startup drafts or trades, but from the
dynasty perspective, Forfeits and Bogman, I'm Ryan warmy. Thanks everybody
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