How High Does Jaxson Dart Rank? | March Dynasty Trade Value Update (Ep. 208) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast.
I'm Ryan Warmley, joined today for the Trade Block by
Pat Fitzmorris fits. How you doing, Buddy?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Doing well? Ryan?

Speaker 3 (00:15):
The combine wet my appetite for football. We have started
the run up to the draft kind of a long runway.
We still got about fifty days to go, but man,
I love it. Draft season, Dynasty rookie draft season, well
at least scouting season.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Great time of year.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Man, do you feel like draft season for rookies starts
January first? Do you feel like it starts at the
Senior Bowl? Do you feel like it starts after Combine?
When for you does it feel like that calendar really
does kind of flip to that time of year?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
The new year is great.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I mean, getting that last little taste of guys in
the ball and you know, Senior ball. It's fun to
get the reports, but no one can really see what's
going on. There are no concrete results like you get
at them. I think the Combine is sort of the
official start of prospecting season for the dynasty community. That's
when things start to crystallize a little bit. We can

(01:09):
start to speculate on landing spots and everything like that.
So I think the combine is kind of the official
kickoff of Dynasty Rookie season.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Let's dive into our show today. We're gonna be talking,
as we always do on the Trade Block, through our
Dynasty Trade Value Chart, which does update on the first
or close to the first of every single month all
year long, so we're looking at our March update here.
We're gonna go through each position, kind of talk a
little bit, a little bit about some of the movers
and guys who are going up and who are going down,

(01:42):
and then we'll get into questions in the second half
of the show from you guys on Discord, so be
sure to drop those questions either in the chat or
to raise your hand. We'll bring you up on stage
with us in the second half of the episode. Fits
we usually start with going through quarterback, running back, wide receiver,
then tight end in that order. I actually want to
start with not one of those positions, but with some

(02:02):
of our values that we've assigned in this trade value
chart to just the Dynasty Rookie draft picks, because in
looking at it, I thought it was really interesting in
Superflex that the sort of value we've assigned to the
one oh one is seventy one, then one O two
is sixty seven, then one O three is sixty. So

(02:22):
the second pick in rookie drafts is currently valued as
closer to the first pick than to the third pick.
I've kind of just from a macro level, been thinking
about this class as there is a gap between gent
at one oh one and everybody else. These values would
seem to suggest that whoever that second pick is, whether
it's your quarterback of choice, if that's what you need
in superflex, or maybe Tech McMillan, if you want to

(02:45):
throw somebody else out there. Maybe I know you're a
big a Marion Hampton guy. Whoever that is, this value
chart would seem to suggest that it's closer to the
first pick than the third. Is that something you agree with?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
I don't think, so we might need to tweak that
a little and grate it down. I do think there's
a maybe a little bit of a drop off between
Ashton genty and everyone else, so, especially since I don't know,
maybe there was the thought that one of these quarterbacks
would emerge as like a consensus number one, and I
guess cam Ward is a consensus number one, but I

(03:17):
still think he's far from full proof, so I do
think gent is still I agree with you that one
O two should probably be closer to one oh three
in value than to one oh one.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Okay, because I definitely agree with that, and I assume
the same in one quarterback leagues, because if you look
at our one quarterback column in this same chart, then
it's the one on one is valued at seventy one,
one O two at sixty three, one O three at
fifty three, So still a little bit closer to the
one oh one, but more of basically a similar gap
between the one and the two and then the two
and the three. Would you would you kind of have

(03:52):
the same answer looking at it from a non super
flex perspective.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, I would, I would, I mean, yeah, especially and
super flex, although I don't know, I mean, there are
various opinions on this where I'm like, I've been mainlining
NFL draft podcasts lately, the ones that are not just
Dynasty but actual NFL drafts. So people like Daniel Jeremiah,
Todd McShay, I know mcshae thinks well, Mary and Hampton

(04:18):
is like right on the doorstep with Ashon Genty in
terms of he doesn't see much separation between the two
at all. He loves Amrion Hampton, so if you would
ask him, he might think the one QB gap between
one on one and one O two is too wide.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
We talked a bit with Bogman about I think I
made the comparison of Marvin Harrison Junior and Malik neighbors
where everybody had the very much consensus like it's indisputable
Harrison number one. I mean there were some people who
disputed it, but like in general, most people have viewed
it as a very clear one and a very clear two.
But that I thought the gap between those two was
somewhat overstated. And I'm not saying that these guys are

(04:58):
those same players. See, we have a year of NFL
data now to evaluate neighbors in Harrison, but I think
in terms of where we stood a year ago, I
wonder if it's similar where Genty is the guy. But
I don't know if maybe the gap is as wide
as the obviousness of who one oh one is might suggest.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
If that makes sense, Yeah, it does make sense, but
then again there is not much Well, Genty is the
consensus number one after that really not a lot of
consensus on everything or anything with these these running backs.
I know that on the staff, Derek Brown does not
have Omaron Hampton as his RB two. I think he's

(05:37):
got Hampton as his RB four in this class, so
he certainly wouldn't think that Hampton is right on.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
The bumper of Ashton genty. But yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
And I don't know, like I've been trying to parse
between Quinn, Shawn Judkins and Caleb Johnson. That's a unning
back four. I have genty, Hampton Traveon Henderson as my
top three. Yeah, to me, Judkins versus Caleb Johnson is
a coin flat basically.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
So since we're talking about the running backs, we'll circle
back to the quarterbacks afterwards. Let's just continue with the
running back conversation. Henderson and Caleb Johnson are back to
back in that section of the Dynasty Trade Value chart.
Henderson is the fifteenth most valuable running back, Caleb Johnson's sixteenth.
Very small gap between them, but there is a gap.
Hampton is up at twelve, He's just slightly ahead of Henderson. Obviously, Genty,

(06:34):
we know is very high. He's RB three. I think
that's somewhat close to consensus. I mean, maybe if you're
winning our team, you'd rather have Saquon than him. But
it's pretty much Bejon, Gibbs, and genty in most places
you look, but it's the same group of that, like
top four or five. Judkins is just a couple spots
behind Caleb Johnson, but in terms of the actual value
we're assigning, it's like a point difference, so he very easily,

(06:56):
it very easily could be Henderson, Caleb Johnson, Judkins back
to back to back. Even in these rankings, all those
guys are in the top half of RB two range.
You know, besides the guys who are even higher, there's nobody.
There's nobody who's like several spots down. There's almost like
it's we're missing the rookies who are in the range
of like RB twenty to RB thirty two. In the

(07:19):
Dynasty rankings. It's either we think you're one of the
top eighteen guys at the position already before even knowing
landing spots, or it's you're taking a flyer and seeing
where they go. I know we talk a lot about
this being such a deep class at the position. I
know you've made the point that you saw somebody make
on Twitter of it essentially being two running back classes
combined into one year. But that depth, like I said,

(07:42):
there's not a lot in that Like RB two RB
three range, it pretty much falls off after Judkins at
RB eighteen at least in our value chart.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
That gap might change and it might narrow after the draft,
where once we see where some of these guys go.
I think it's just easy to grew that big five
of Genty, Hampton, Henderson, Caleb Johnson, Quinchawn Judkins together because well,
I mean, for one thing, I know that people have
been people spent the fall trying to decide which of

(08:14):
the Ohio state running backs they like more between Traveon
Henderson and Quinchawn Judkins.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I know that in Daniel Jeremiah's.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Latest mock, he had Genty, Hampton, and Henderson going within
three or four picks of each other. I think from
the Steelers taking Genty at twenty one to the Vikings
taking Henderson at twenty four, and I think he had
Hampton going to the Chargers at twenty two. So yeah,
like it's hard to sort out those five, and maybe

(08:44):
in reality there's not that big a gap between the
top five and the next group, the RJ. Harvey, Devin Neil,
Dylan Sampson, bashall Tootons and that big five. I guess
we'll find out when we see where these guys go
in the draft. And I mean, heck, if any of

(09:04):
these guys wind up going in the second round. If
we do see Besshall Tooton go in the second round,
or Dylan Sampson or you know, Ali Gordon, these guys
are gonna move up the draft board of dynasty managers
for the rookie drafts.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
When you're thinking this is my last question on the
rookies at this position, when you're thinking about landing spots
for the running backs and places where they might gain
a lot of value in your eyes or possibly lose
value in your eyes depending where they go. I think
the places where they can make an immediate impact are
fairly obvious. You know, we've talked about like the Chargers,
the Cowboys. These are some of our favorite landing spots
for guys. I want to throw out a team that

(09:44):
there could be an opening a year from now. It's
kind of what we did with Trey Benson and rookie
drafts last year. Saying you sit on him for a
year and then James Connor is gone and you're sitting
pretty it didn't pan out that way. So if somebody like,
let's say Dylan Sampson, who is a player that I like,
Let's say he goes in I don't know, the third

(10:05):
round to the Ravens. As a we all have Derrick
Henry another year, but then after that he's the guy
who steps into this awesome role. And I'm just using
the Ravens, and it's an example because Derek Henry is
one of the oldest running backs in football, but there
are other teams that this could apply to. In a
situation like that, how would you evaluate just pure value,
not even where you're drafting them in your rookie drafts,

(10:27):
but on a chart like this, how would you rank
somebody like a Dylan Sampson if you were drafted in
that scenario where this year it's not gonna be worth
really anything, barring an injury, but the opportunity the runway
is so good for after twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
It's an interesting question.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Worm I think it would still be a downgrade, and
I think most dynasty managers would agree with me. Even
though there is potential to take over in twenty twenty six,
I do think most dynasty managers would not want to
see that landing spot and base we have it be
a redshirt year for that guy.

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fits before we move off the running backs, is there
any non rookie that you think is worth hitting on?
I mean a lot of these guys, it's not anything

(12:06):
has really changed between last month and now for most
of them. Is there anybody at all on this list
of the position that stands out before we move on
to a different position, or is it really just what
you're done talking about the rookies? There's out as much
to say.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, I don't think there's much to say about any
of these guys. I don't think we saw major value
changes to any of the vets.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
I know JK. Dobbins took a little bit of a hit.
I think just.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
We kind of adjusted down with some of the veterans.
And I think it's the realization that this running back class,
with the kind of testing numbers they put up at
the combine, just really underscores how sensational this running back
class is. And I think that means a downgrade for

(12:57):
some of the vets, and we talked about this. Deebro
and I were on a show with our friends at
Player Profile, Matt Kelly and Theo Greminger, and like, if
you are they're older running backs and even some younger
number two type running backs who were drafted in the
last couple of years. Their roster spots are going to

(13:17):
be in jeopardy. This this running back class is a
big retirement party for a lot of people. These guys
are bringing their gold watches because they are going to
replace some people on NFL rosters. And you got to
think the market's going to be soft for the free
agent running backs, guys like JK Dobbins, who has that
worry some injury history. Who is going to pay JK

(13:38):
Dobbins When you can go out and find a good
running back in the fifth round of this year's draft.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
After last offseason, everybody's Oh, running backs are back. You know,
everybody now knows the value in draft or in signing
a veteran Derrick Henry, Saquon Barkley. Not this year. It
will not bear a You don't always have guys of
that talent caliber out there available and be just the
cheer fact that there are so many talented guys coming

(14:05):
in is really going to change things? Are you because
of this running back class, looking to trade for like
late second round rookie picks or you know, third round
rookie draft picks.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
I don't know if the second or third round has
any more value than it would in a different year.
Overall where I think this class is still weaker than
last year's class because it's not that great a wide
receiver class. So while I'm more inclined to take a
running back in the second or third round than I
would be most other years, I think there's a very

(14:38):
good chance that that's I'm going to be spending second
third round picks. I don't necessarily know that I am
that much more motivated to move into the second third
round just because of the running back class, you know
what I mean? Just the overall class I think as
a drop off from last year, even if it's a
different a very different texture to this with the strength

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at running back and tight end and the weakness at
quarterback and wide receiver, which is where last year's class
was so exceptional.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Let's be into the quarterback center trade value chart here.
I'm not going to ask you about Sanders or Ward
because We've talked a ton about them, pretty much on
every episode of this every episode with Bogman. I just
feel like anytime we're talking quarterbacks, we've talked a lot
about them. I do want to ask about a different rookie,
Jackson Dart. There does seem to be more and more
rumblings about him as a potential first round pick in
the NFL draft, somebody who has an intriguing skill set

(15:29):
for fantasy managers. He's now inside our top thirty two
at the position. Previously we'd only had two incoming rookies
who are valued there in our dynasty trade value chart.
He's now a QB twenty seven, and if he's a
first round pick this year, maybe that even goes up
a little depending on what we see with some of
these other names. Where is he for you? Like I said,
he's QB twenty seven on the trade value chart, he

(15:50):
sandwiched between Sam Darnold and Justin Fields. Do you agree
with that? Is that too high? Too low? Just right?

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:57):
I too have him at QB twenty seven, which between
Sam Darnold and Justin Fields. Dart's kind of that firewall
between maybe the solid starters, and I do think we
have to consider Donald a solid starter because someone is
going to sign him to be their starting quarterback. I
don't think it's going to be Minnesota. I think he's
going to be the solution for one of Giants, Jets, Raiders, Browns,

(16:23):
one of these quarterback needy team Steelers. And then behind
Dart you've got Fields, Smith, Stafford, Derek Carr, Russell, Wilson,
Kirk Cousins, older players or fields who's kind of in
limbo as a younger player who may or may not
have an assured job in the next year or two.

(16:43):
So yeah, I mean, I think it makes sense to
put Dart in sort of that purgatory spot. Deebro loves him.
Debro thinks he should be a top fifteen pick in
the draft. I'm not as sure about it. I've heard
other people say that maybe Tyler Shuck is the QB
three in this class.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
I've heard other people say that maybe quinn Ewers should
be the QB three in this class. I definitely don't
know about that. I think that's insanity. So yeah, it's
the tail with Jackson Dart and his dynasty value. Worm
is going to be told with where he lands in
this year's draft.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I was gonna say, what's your confidence level that there
is a third quarterback taken in the first round, like
scale one to ten, How sure would you be to
make that bet?

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Man, I think it's I think it's fifty to fifty.
I'm working on a mock draft article right now, and
I do not have a third quarterback in the first round.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Deebro's conviction on Dart somewhat sways me because he's been
right the last couple of years on the guys he's
gone out on a limb for and I obviously have
a lot of trust in our friend and colleague who
will be on the Dynasty podcast later this week reacting
to the combines. So everybody should check that out with
fits Bugs and Debro. My assumption this whole draft season
so far has been it would just be two in

(18:01):
the first round. Still a ways to go to see
if that becomes kind of more crystallized in the coming weeks.
As far as the non rookies go, we always spend
a lot of time at the top, and I don't
think we really need to talk about anybody there at
this point. We've talked about the big names enough. I
want to ask you, there's two guys who are back
to back and really they're valued the same way by

(18:23):
our numerically values. There's actually four in a row that
all are kind of tied. I want to ask about
two of them. It's Dak Prescott at QB twenty two,
Anthony Richardson at QB twenty three, Bryce Young at QB
twenty four, to a tongue of I Loo at QB
twenty five. All have the same numerical value assigned in
this chart. The two most interesting one here ones here
at I believe are Richardson and Young. Do you think

(18:45):
it's right to have them basically dead even this is
Bryce Young basically staying where he was, Anthony Richardson moving
down significantly to make them even, or do you think
one of them should be even if it's not a
huge gap valid valued ahead of the other, because obviously
a year ago there was a tremendous gap between these two.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, I've moved Young ahead of Richardson worm And here
my hang up with Richardson is this, like you always
knew it was going to be kind of a up
that Richardson was going to be a project and I
thought the Colts were sort of committed to his development.
But man, we've just gotten such mixed signals from the Colts.

(19:30):
They got impatient with Richardson early last year, benched him
for Joe Flacco, even though you know Joe Flacco is
eventually going to cost you with his interceptions, Like that
is just the Joe Flacco, the late era Joe Flacco,
the Devil, make care Joe Flacco, Like those interceptions will
kill you. And yet like the Colts signed that deal

(19:53):
with the Devil anyway rather than play Anthony Richardson. And
now you've got Chris Ballard, their general manager, saying that
it's going to be an open competition, Like that's just
talk about a vote of no confidence for your young quarterback.
I don't want that, like I want I want them
to be committed to Anthony Richardson. And you know, if

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he's a train wreck this year and they had to
pull the plug at mid season, fine, but I would
love to see more confidence in him going into the season.
So it's hard to rank Anthony Richardson in the top twenty,
even though there's top ten, top five dynasty potential if
he eventually does figure it out. As a passer, because

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we know what he can offer as a runner.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
So they're QB twenty three and QB twenty four in
this chart. You said you have Bryce Young ahead. Do
you have Bryce Young higher than this range or is
it that you have Anthony Richardson lower than this range?

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, I've got Young at eighteen. I mean there the
Panthers seem very committed to moving forward with him and
Dave Kanalis we saw him start to work his magic
on Bryce Young, who down the stretch looked pretty good.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
We're going kind of all out of order here anyways,
because we start with running backs. I'm gona jump to
the tight ends just because that always goes like a
little more quickly. We talked about them on our recent
episode with Bogman, but just in terms of how they're
valued on the chart. Obviously, again Rock Bowers, he's at
sixty one numerically, Trey McBride at fifty eight. Truthfully, that
gaps not wide enough. I don't think San Laport is

(21:28):
third down at fifty one. I just think Bowers is
so and I love McBride, but Bowers is so so
clearly tight end one that I think that should be higher.
But again, nobody's confused by those that those are not
surprising rankings the rookies. Here, Tyler Warren is tight end five,
he's just a hair numerically behind George Kittle, and he's
just barely ahead of TJ. Hockinson, and then just behind TJ.

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Hockinson at tight end seven is Colson Loveland. Then you
get a little bit of a gap before you get
into Tucker Kraft, Mark Andrews Duncan Kid kind of the
rest going from there. But there's a very clear tight
end four through seven, whereas tight ends one through three,
nobody's gonna quibble with that order, I don't think. And
tight ends eight through whatever, you know, you're taking in

(22:11):
some degree of uncertainty or you know, lack of a
ceiling or anything like that. But those those middle ones
at tight end four through seven again, George Kittle, Tyler Warrant,
t J. Howkins, and Colson Loveland. I think you could
make a case for really any order of those four.
I know you do have Kittle fourth, but I think
you could justifiably, you know, plant your flag that those
four could be in any order. Do you think that's

(22:32):
a fair assessment or do you think not only is
Kittle four for you, but he is clearly four for you.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
No, I do think it is a fair assessment, And
I had an internal debate about whether to rank Warren
ahead of Kittle or vice versa.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Kittle is obviously.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Older, but I think you know what you're getting with him,
and you're going to get another at least two to
three years of top drawer production.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Really, the floor is off high with George Kittle.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
The only thing that can keep him from being a
difference maker a tight end his injury. Whereas Tyler Warren,
we don't know what we're getting. I mean, we looked
awfully good at Penn State last year. He had a
sensational season, but he is an older prospect. I think
you could actually make a case where it would not
shock me if Colston Loveland were drafted ahead of Tyler Warren.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I've started coming on on this.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, Loveland is two years younger, and I think that's
no small thing for a lot of NFL teams. And
while Warren did have the terrific stats last year more
than one hundred catches more than what around twelve hundred yards,
Loveland didn't match him with stats. But then again, Loveland
was playing on a Michigan team which in twenty twenty

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three ran the heck out of the ball because they
were so good in their national championship season and often
had these big leads didn't really need to throw all
that much. And then this past fall twenty twenty four
just had awful quarterbacking the entire season. So Loveland's stats
are not as good. But this dude is a baller.
He is the real deal, and he's only twenty years old,

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doesn't turn twenty one until shortly before the draft, whereas
Warren didn't really pop statistically until he was a fifth
year senior. So I wouldn't be shocked if Lovelan went higher.
And right now, yes, I think a two point difference
in value makes sense. Warren should be number one, and
I think in the mind of most dynasty managers, Warren

(24:31):
is a clear number one. I think it's actually pretty close.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Isaiah likely is tight end nineteen, Cole Comet is tight
end twenty one. Both of those seem too low to me,
and by the way, for anybody listening, if you can
so you can trade for guys if they're being valued
that way by your league. I think those are both
excellent by low guys right now, which of those two again,
Likely at tight end nineteen Cole Comet at tight end
twenty one, is more surprisingly too low opinion? Or do

(25:00):
you disagree with that opinion entirely?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
No, I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I think I have both guys ranked ahead of where
they are on the chart. Yeah, I've got Likely at
sixteen and Comet at seventeen, and I think you can
make the case that I've got both of those guys
too low.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
They could be ahead.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
I think they both should be in the top fifteen,
not in the top ten, but I think they should
both be inside the top fifteen. Rookie. It's a good
rookie tight end class, but rookies often, you know, the
brock Bowers of the world. Aside, takes a little bit
of time to adjust to the NFL. I know in
the last couple of years we've had these great rookie seasons,
but typically that's the way it works. So I'm not
sure i'd rather have, you know, Harold Fannin who some

(25:40):
of the shine has come off. Elijah Royo is tight
end twelve. Yeah, I like the class, but I think
Likely is possibly a year away. From being the tight
end one he might even be at this year depending
on how the season goes. Andrew is getting another year
older for an elite quarterback who loves throwing at the
tight end, and Cole Comet, I think is in a
really interesting spot as well this season, So I think

(26:00):
they both should be in that like thirteen to fifteen range.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Personally, I agree with you, Worman, I think that's probably
kind of a flat tier really even after man like
even after like Mark Andrews at we've got him ninth
with the ninth highest value. Then it's Kinkaid who's been disappointing.
Nadjoku's getting older, Kyle Pitts is kind of there, but

(26:24):
Arroyo maybe getting a little too much credit on the
strength of a couple of really good senior ball practices.
Fannin put up just dazzling numbers last year, granted against
lesser competition in the MAC Conference. So yeah, I think
there's a good case to be made that likely and
Comet should be ahead of those rookies, and maybe ahead

(26:45):
of some of these other veterans too. Evan Ingram, who
could possibly be a salary cap casualty. We might have
him ranked a little too high John hus Smith, who's older.
So yeah, it kind of a flat tier with all
these guys. And yes, you could make the case of
the life Glee and Comet should be more toward the
top of it than toward the bottom of it.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
In our wide receiver section, no changes at all to
any values inside the top nine. Marvin Harrison Junior bumped
up a bit. He's now at wide receiver ten. There's
definitely kind of a clump of guys here though, Harrison,
jsn Lad mccackie, A J. Brown are all just within
one kind of numerical value of each other. So that's
from wide receiver ten to wide receiver thirteen. They're all
kind of right there. But like I said, really not

(27:27):
a lot of changes, not even changes necessarily with all
the rookies. You know, Ted McMillan was valued at fifty
seven in our chart wide receiver sixteen. That's exactly where
he still is. Some of these guys, like, there's not
really a lot of changes, you know. Mechaguca moved up
a little bit, just a couple of spots in value,
but he's roughly where he was, you know, Wide receiver twenty.
Luther Burd and wide receiver thirty six. In terms of

(27:49):
the rookies before we get to the veterans, was there
anybody that stood out to you that really should have
had a drastic move? I mean, further down you get
into guys like Trey Harris who deeproed love who did
get bumped up a lot. Jalen Nole, same thing. Did
anybody stand out to you? Jaden Higgins also another one
that you like, are also strongly in that camp that
these guys should have gained or lost a lot of

(28:11):
value from the combine.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yet I don't think the Iowa State guys Jalen Nole
and Jaden Higgins, for me, I think I may have
had both of them just outside the top ten at
wide receiver in my rookie rankings. Now they're both squarely
inside of got Noel seven and Higgins eight, Like they
both had really strong combines. I moved up your guy

(28:36):
worm like, yeah, he's probably a third round pick. Guy
Felton of Maryland. He yeah, oh man, he just tested
like a champ. And it wasn't really his speed that
popped to me when I watched him on tape. It
was his ball tracking ability and how tough he was

(28:56):
for kind of a thin, slightly built wide receiver. He's
not quite like DeVante Smith skinny, but he's close to that.
And like Felton doesn't mind the rough stuff for a
skinnier dude, and then seeing him test so well at
the combine, like I've got him at wide receiver thirteen
in this group, and like I would say, do not

(29:17):
sleep on Ty Felton. Like he it's not a great
wide receiver class, but Fulton is one of those guys
who has emerged to maybe bolster the depth of this class.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
He's wide receiver eighty seven on this chart, which is hogwash.
I have to say he's a good player, Like I listen,
I said it jokingly in our first Dynasty Rookie episode
on this feed. I've said it brought up a couple
other times. I know you agree to a degree, he's
a good player, and I think the ranking is a
little bit low, even if the ceiling isn't you know

(29:52):
a guy who's going to totally reshape your Dynasty roster.
I think he's a good player and he's he's valued
too low. Who for you? Because I I believe you
have Agbuka as wide receiver two in the class. Who
is wide receiver three for you? Is it Burden? Is
it Matthew Golden, who has risen a lot in this value.
Is it a guy like Harris who's three? Assuming that
one and two are McMillan and Agbuka, and obviously setting

(30:16):
aside Travis Hunter. Given the positional question.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
I've reluctantly pushed Matthew Golden ahead of Luther Burden. I
still really like Luthor Burden, but Golden now is pretty
much a consensus first round pick in the mock drafts
of a lot of the smart people, the insider type people.
And I know that in the last round of mock
drafts done by Daniel Jeremiah, mel kiper Junior and Todd McShay,

(30:42):
none of them had Luthor Burden in the first round.
So Burton seems to be falling out of the first
round in all likelihood. I still wouldn't be shocked if
he wound up there, but now it seems like a
ninety percent likelihood that Golden is drafted ahead of Burden.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
By far. The biggest mover in this chart at wide
receiver who is not a rookie is Ricky Piersall and
obviously it makes a lot of sense with Deebo Samuel
and not in San Francisco anymore. This is kind of
the opportunity a lot of us were waiting for if
you drafted him with like an early second round pick
in rookie drafts last year, A real opportunity to see

(31:18):
a big league for it. Honestly, it would not stun
me if after this season this current valuation looks very low.
He's in a huge clump of players who we have
valued at forty eight in our chart, which is a
tie with Jerry Judy, Terry McLaurin, and Mecha Buca. Jamison Williams,
Chris Olave and Jalen Waddell are all valued at forty
eight as well. So that's the wide receiver twenty five

(31:40):
to the wide receiver thirty one group of players. Ricky
Piersoll is now in that group, though for you, is
that a the right group of names for him to
be included with? Is it be the right kind of
numerical range for him to be in kind of that
high end wide receiver three in Dynasty and see? Is
he somebody that you would rather be selling high with

(32:02):
some of the excitement of his newfound opportunity or buying
high and saying I know people are excited about him,
but I would still want to get him on my roster.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I think he's in roughly the right spot.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
I've got him a little lower in my Dynasty rankings
wide receiver thirty three, but I think he's in the
right tier. I've actually got Pearceal sandwiched in between two rookies,
right in between Matthew Golden and Luther Burden, but I
do have him a couple spots behind Terry McLaurin, a
few spots behind Jerry Judy.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I've still got him behind.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Tyreek Hill, whose career obviously is winding down but could
potentially still be a big producer for a couple more years.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's just.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
He looked great in those last two games of the season.
Over two hundred receiving yards two touchdowns looked fantastic, And
now the Debou trade makes it clears the way and
makes a pretty clear three wide out out rotation or group.
When the forty nine ers have three wide on the field,

(33:05):
it's going to be Pier saal Ayuk and Juwan Jennings.
But then again, the forty nine ers don't always play
three wide receiver as much as some other teams because
they do like to use a fullback. I just I
don't want to overproject Pearsal based on those two great
games at the end of the season, even though he
was a first round pick, granted a late first rounder,

(33:27):
but he was a first rounder and he did look
good in his sort of limited audition at the end
of the season, So I'm cautiously optimistic. I do think
this is the right spot from I understand why dynasty
managers would be excited to either have him or maybe
try to acquire him.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Last question on this position before we move off the
chart and start answering questions from the Discord audience, just
on tet McMillan, I feel like, especially in recent years, obviously,
it's pretty common for the top receiver in the class,
which McMillan generally consensus is again assuming that Travis Hunter
isn't playing that position full time, that that player is

(34:05):
typically inside the top twelve of the position. Like, it
seems that we very regularly are having the top rookie
kind of come in with with a higher ranking than
wide receiver sixteen. So assuming you are kind of remembering
the last couple of years the same way I am.
Do you think that the difference this year is that
the top of the position in terms of the veterans

(34:27):
is just stronger than it has been in recent years
or is that a reflection of McMillan being a step
down from some of the guys in recent years. And
I don't just mean like Marvin Harrison Junior, because obviously
like he came in as like, you know, consider this
generational prospect, But in general, it feels like the top
guy is often coming in maybe a little bit higher
than McMillan is coming in at in this chart.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Sure combination of those two factors, worm I mean, because
when you look at it, look how strong the wide
receiver rookie class was last year. Well, we've got four
rookie from last year's class ranked ahead of tet, the
two LSU guys neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior, Lad McConkie,
Marvin Harrison junior. Actually check that five from a Doon's

(35:12):
a as well, so and I think that's warranted. And
guys who sort of surged a little bit last year,
Jordan Addison or do we have Addison ahead of McMillan.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Sorry, Addison is not ahead at least in our chart.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Nope, he's behind. I've actually got Addison ahead of McMillan. Yeah, so, yes,
you're correct. In most years the number one wide receiver
would be higher than nineteen overall.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
But yeah, it's just.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Not a great wide receiver class. And I think Tet
is a pretty high floor prospect, but ultimately, like I
don't know if he's going to be a better player
than Drake London. I think they're comparable in terms of
what they are as prospects. I've felt a little bit
better about London coming out than I do about Tat.

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(36:28):
your league. We're gonna move on to some questions. You're
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Value Chart to find the latest edition. Fits. I am

(36:48):
navigating Discord with just my left hand because of my
shoulder surgery, so I'm going to do the best I
can to not be too slow pulling people up on
stage and get into chat question. But just you know,
bear with me if I am move it a little slower.
Let's look at some of the.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Chat stores that we have.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Question here from Bunting, are you guys in the camp
that Chase Brown can only go down from here? What
Bunting says is he sees the Bengals as needing too
many other pieces to add a legit threat at running
back when they already have someone there, and he does
not view Moss as a threat at all. What do
you think about that? Fits?

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Obviously, I am a big Chase Brown fan, so I
am still very pro Chase Brown. But I think it's
inevitable that the Bengals add someone bunting. You are right,
the Bengals do have a lot of needs. In fact,
when we were doing a mock draft show on the
Fantasy Pros podcast a few weeks ago, I tried to
give the Bengals I think Luther Burden in this mock draft,

(37:49):
and I had a couple Bengals fans yelling at me
in our YouTube comments that you know they're gonna give
up their fandom if they do anything but go with
a defensive player early on. So yes, they have other
screaming needs. But that's the thing. As woman and I
were just talking about, this running back class is so
deep that the Bengals could still get a good rookie

(38:10):
running back in like the sixth round. And yeah, I'd
be a little bit concerned if they took I don't know,
Jarquez Hunter or Jordan James or even Taj Brooks in
one of those later rounds, because I do think they
probably want some sort of tag team partner with Chase

(38:30):
Brown in that backfield.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
That said, even as.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
A a timeshare back a lah Jumior Gibbs, I do
think Chase Brown could still be immensely valuable.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
He's RB nine in the chart, there is a bit
of a gap between the top eight and then there's
a huge clump together. So he's RB nine and he's
closer tied with RB eighteen than he is to RB
eight So there is a gap.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, and tied with James Cook Kenneth Walker in terms
of their value.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
And whereas I.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Don't think James Cook and Kenneth Walker are going to
see any new competition, although you know they've got quality
young backs behind them, Cook with Ray Davis, Walker with
Zach Sharboney. Like Chase Brown right now, there's nothing. The
Bengals traded for Khalil Herbert barely used him last year,
so they're looking for someone, but that someone might only

(39:23):
be a backup.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
So the way I would answer the question is that
I don't think Chase Brown is going to go up
from here. So by that sense, yes, he can only
go down, but I don't really there's a very real
possibility that he doesn't go down. It just kind of
stays where he is. If he enters the season with
as sure a you know, stranglehold on the starting spot
as he currently would have, I wouldn't expect him to

(39:46):
like gain value in any scenario though, So from that perspective, yes,
nowhere to go but down. I guess let's go to
Herbs and Cheese. Stuck in between going full rebuild or
just a win in year two strategy. What are your thoughts?
It's ten team PPRS picks one, three and thirteen overall
in the rookie draft, and if you click on his
team that he dropped the screenshot in their fits, it's

(40:07):
guys like Trevor Lawrence, Jonathan Taylor, Kenneth Walker, Malik Neighbors,
Terry McLaurin, Trey McBride, DK Metcalf, Chris Olave, Kyler, Murray
bench a little bit less impressive than the starters I
just read out. What do you think about his options here?

Speaker 3 (40:25):
He does have some decent bench pieces too. He's got
Sam Darnold as a QB three, so he's pretty set
at quarterback, I think. But yeah, Herbs and Che's I
don't think this is a full teardown because you do
have some really nice young pieces, you know, with the
quarterbacks Lawrence and Kyler, who I think is still going
to be.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
A starter for a good two three years at least.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
He's also about to add genty to this group with
the first pick.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
So yeah, that's a good point. And I think already
is like.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Just you're you're in, Like, I think this is a
try to win team.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Would he take in it to win it? Now?

Speaker 1 (41:02):
And yeah, I mean again, you take your the running
back is going to be Taylor Walker and Genty as
your three running backs. You know you have neighbors, a
wide receiver, you have a guy like Metcafeo, Trey McBride's
a tight end set. I know a lave like isn't
as valued as he might have been a year ago,
but I think this is considering the high level rookie picks.

(41:24):
He also can add to this, I would be trying
to win with this team.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Truthfully, Yeah, that's a good point. Like I don't think
I don't think you want to sell off any young
pieces to try to get stronger in the here and now.
Like I don't even know what herbs and Cheese would
trade because you're not getting rid of my leak neighbors
or Trey McBride or maybe even Kenneth Walker. I know,

(41:49):
I guess now that you're getting Genty, you could trade
off Kenneth Walker for veteran help at other positions older players,
But no, I yeah, I just kind of I think
you're taking your best shots with those rookie picks, maybe
kind of seeing how things play out, and if you
get off to an unexpectedly good start, maybe you are

(42:09):
trying to acquire some veteran help for the stretch run.
And if you get off to a three and four start,
then maybe you're selling some of these older vets for
young help and plotting your revenge for twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
And that third pick could be McMillan. Maybe it could be.
If you aren't comfortable with Sam Darnold as your QB three,
it could be Ward or Sanders. So I think I
like the team like as an attempt to see you
look this year.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Good squad for sure.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
CFC Fan ten teams. Superflex thoughts on trading pick one
oh six for Trevor Lawrence. The owner will want more
on top of that, so would add someone like Geno
be too much? Sorry, it's my browser is very small.
It's a large screenshot. Can you see his team better
than I can?

Speaker 3 (43:01):
I am having a little trouble it doesn't magnify too well.
I'm trying to see who his quarterbacks are so all right,
we'll just take this trade in a vacuum. Since I
can't see who his other quarterbacks are, I think, so
wor where are you on Trevor Lawrence? I man, this
is kind of a make or break year in some ways,

(43:22):
don't you think?

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yes? I totally agree, this is the year Like after
this it is a risk because if he doesn't do
it this year, I think the value is going to
plummet and people are just going to be done and
not have any interest in trying to, you know, to
board the Trevor Lawrence training again. But I am in
for one more year. I will be drafting hum in
redraft leagues at what I anticipate his cost will be.

(43:43):
I would be interested in training for him in super
flex leagues if he's on the block. He's now paired
with Liam Cohen, he has year two Brian Thomas Junior
possibility to ask to add more. I mean, I know
there was talk before the franchise tag that maybe this
was a destination for te Higgins, Like you know, there
seems to be some degree of interest in them getting
another piece in there, Like I am hoping that they

(44:06):
will have him run more the way Baker Mayfield was
allowed to run a little bit with Liam Cohen, like,
I am very in at cost on Trevor Lawrence and
in this class, which we've already hit on, is weaker
like especially at quarterback, but really across the board, the
one oh six in a superflex, I think that's totally reasonable,
because that's gonna be like Dragon Henderson or at BUCA

(44:32):
or if you're really needy, Jackson Dart like. These are
not names that I think should dissuade you from getting
rid of the pick to get Trevor Lawrence, so I
would be very happy. I mean, obviously we can't see
his other quarterbacks. I'm not sure what his room looks
like there, but I'm I think Gino Smith plus the
one oh six for Trevor Lawrence is super reasonable in

(44:52):
my opinion.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
I think so too.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
I do think that's actually a pretty good deal. And
if you have to throw in Gino or some someone
else like that to make it happen to grease the
skids for that deal, I would do it.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Our chart does say it's a slight overpay by you,
slight not significant, but I think it's worth it. I
think the gap in my opinion between the upside for
Trevor Lawrence and Gino Smith in this draft class is
well worth the one O six, So that would be
my approach. By Herbs and Cheese said, because we're talking

(45:27):
about his team that he traded away Mahomes and the
eleventh overall pick for Trevor Lawrence and the one oh
one in that team we were just looking about. We
talked about him having the one so Mahomes and the
eleventh rookie pick for Lawrence and the first rookie pick,
so essentially Lawrence and gent do you think that was
enough value in a ten team superflex? Yes?

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I like it. I really like that deal.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Yeah, you know, I'm yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic with Trevor Lawrence,
but I think it's a worthwhile deal. Who knows if
Who knows if Patrick Mahomes is ever going to be
the prolific fantasy scorer he was earlier in his career,
and I know there may be some reasons why he
hasn't been, as why he hasn't held up the fantasy

(46:16):
points in really like the last two years. It's been
two years a pretty ordinary fantasy production. Issues with his
pass catchers, wide receiver injuries. The Kansas City defense has
actually improved to the point where the Chiefs haven't needed
to win that many shootouts the last couple of years.
Maybe the defense starts to slip and that does mean

(46:38):
more shootouts. Maybe with the combination of Rashie Rice and
Zavier Worthy that gives him the firepower to get back
to where he used to be. But maybe that just
doesn't happen, and Patrick Mahomes continues to be a pretty
average fantasy quarterback.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
I think it's important too, in a year like this
to not even think about it as you're trading for them.
One on one. You are trading for Ashton Genty, who
is essentially valued right now the same way as Bijon
or Gibbs or Saquon. Like, you're not trading for the
one oh one. You're trading for a guy that we
expect to be as elite of a dynasty running back

(47:16):
asset as you can possibly have. That is more appealing
to me than just kind of in a vacuum one
oh one. I know it's a position that isn't as
strong as long as some of the other positions, but
if you're winning ow a team, which I kind of
believe this team is, then I think that's like super intriguing,
and I would frame it as you're trading for gent now,
as you're trading for the one oh one, because that's

(47:38):
the level of guy he is. A question from Banshee style,
how much does NFL landing spot affect your opinion of
any first rounder dynasty player value?

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Some but I don't want to overweigh it because especially
I know that some people get really influenced by what
quarterback a wide receiver is paired with, or vice versa,
which you know what kind of pass catchers a quarterback
might have, But that stuff can change, you know, like

(48:12):
the situation could be totally different one or two years
from now in quarterbacks and well, at least the good
quarterbacks and wide receivers mostly a pretty long shelf live.
So I don't want to get too focused on what
the first year is going to look like. But it
definitely matters, So yes, I look at it, but I
also don't want to go overboard.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
I look at landing spot as something that can create
value more than something that takes away value. If I
really like a player, I'm not overly worried about like
Ricky Piersaw bad landing spot for year one. Now we're
talking about him as a guy that could jump up
in value a ton.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Yeah, that's a really smart way to look at it.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
I like how to phrase that.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
But if there's a running back who I like, let's say,
just as an example, I'm a little lower than on
Caleb Johnson, Let's have him running back five and you
think he's RB two or RB three in the class.
If Caleb Johnson goes to the Chargers or the Cowboys,
I'm gonna be drafting him like he's RB two. So again,
I think it can create value and add value more
than I let it detract and take away from value.

(49:17):
Well said, really for anybody? Another question here? Mix in
for one oh eight in a one QB. Does that
seem fair? He has other depth and could backfill with
a rookie running back who falls there? Does that sound good?
The chart has it close. He is a contender. So
the one o eight in a one QB rookie draft

(49:38):
is maybe it's probably still one of those top five
running backs, but it's probably not. You know, you're not
getting Hampton there. It's probably the back end of that,
like maybe Judkins or or whoever your RB five is,
if that is what you're looking to do with the pick.
So I guess to me, I think those guys are
somewhat interchangeable depending on landing spot. So it's more about

(50:01):
how are you valuing Mixin for a win now team
rather than the player you think would get picked there.
That's all I'm thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
At least I personally don't like it.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Aaron, Yeah, I just I like the top five running
backs in this class too much, plus Teed McMillan, Tyler Warren,
and then take your pick of I know, I guess
the mechag Buca, Colston Loveland, whichever running back might get

(50:32):
draft capital that vaults them into alongside that big five.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
So I just couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
I feel like there's only maybe a one or two
year window for Mixing to be very good, and who knows.
Like the Texans offensive line was flat out bad last year,
and I know Mixing sort of defied it and had
that great start.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
I would just rather have the young guy.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Even if you're in contention now, I think i'd I'd
rather make some sort of other deal in season to
acquire more juice.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
I don't like that deal.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Should we should we cut I'm sorry, but before we
get to more in the chat, should we call up Balakai?

Speaker 1 (51:17):
I was going to get to that, if you.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
All right, we can we can take more in the
chat You're well well was.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
The next chat after this one, and so then I
was going to bring him up after this got it
this question from Joel specifically for you you were tagging this,
would you recommend moving the one oh six and trying
to move up for genty? His top running backs are
Bucky and Brian Robinson.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
You know, Joel, just hard to say without knowing what
the price would be to move up, But I would
be inclined to say no because I think whoever holds
the one on one is probably going to hold your
feet to the fire and demand quite a bit. And
sitting at one oh six, you're still going to be
able to get a Caleb Johnson, a quinch On Judkins,
maybe Traveon Henderson. So rather than pay what I'm sure

(52:07):
would be an exorbitant price to move up, I think
I'd stay put and get one of those other running backs,
pair him with with Bucky and Brian Robinson. Yeah, I
do think it's worth upgrading over Brian Robinson, but Bucky
and one of these other rookies, because I think all
of those guys in the Big five at running back

(52:28):
are gonna be top forty picks this year. I don't
know how many guys are going in the first round.
It could be one, two or three, but I don't
think many of those other guys, Like I think we're
gonna see a run on running backs at the top
of the second round, especially if there's only one going
in the first round.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
The technical answer to the question is yes, it would
be great to move the one zero six up and
something else up for gent, but the realistic answer is no,
because it's probably if it's a not exorbitant price, yes,
definitely do it, but but the high likelihood is that
it would be kind of an overpay. I would I
would imagine, and yeah, I'm just don't.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Don't you think that whoever holds one on one is
going to be asking for Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Oh no, I totally agree. I'm just saying to literally
answer the question, it's yes, but yes, I think in
practice it's not going to pay out that way. It's
going to be too much of an overpay and therefore
not worth it all right, Now we'll bring up Bolaca,
who also had a question in the chat. Hey, how's
it going pretty good?

Speaker 5 (53:32):
I was actually I posted my question there because I
was like, oh, they must not be bringing people off.
That was my question for you guys.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
But I can read it Arkansas.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yes, I want you ahead and set it up for us.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
So, like, what's your strategy. I drapped in the third
quarterback kind of suse because I just am in. I
didn't want to pass up the value in the third quarterback.
And now I'm kind of feeling it, you know, as
I'm now in like Brown, I think twelve where it's
like of lacking, you know, positional players. I took my
third quarterback early. So I'm just kind of curious, like,

(54:05):
when you guys are run that third quarterback, are you
looking more for like the you know, Sam Darnold's or
Matthew Staffords of the world that you might be able
to squeak in in round eleven, or you're looking to
have a legitimate like, Hey, if this works out, this
is going to be a third starting quarterback that I'm
confident in for the next several years. So I took
JJ McCarthy as my as my third quarterback for.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Me, Fits, I tend to like that. The way I
answer that question is really dependent on who my top
two quarterbacks are. If I'm in a startup super flex
and I am going quarterback quarterback, like you know, at
the tenth pick and the fourteenth pick or fifteenth whatever
it would be, then I'm probably much more willing to wait.
I am not comfortable with only having two quarterbacks. I

(54:49):
definitely want to get a third that I am comfortable
starting if I need to. But I'm definitely willing to
wait a few extra rounds if I have two that
I really like, and if I don't have two that
I really like, like, I'm much more likely to take
one early. I like how you framed it though in
your question in the chat, which is you just couldn't
pass it the value of those guys where they were,

(55:09):
because at the end of the day, I think the
value is more important than you know. Oh, I have
my starting lineup fields through the first ten rounds, and
now I build that Like, I'd rather just get the
best values I can in a startup. So that's kind
of my thoughts on the question. Fits. What do you think?

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Yeah, I love this question because I struggle with the
same thing myself, and let me throw a question back
at you.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Bala kai.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Is this a I take it this as a slow
startup draft. Is it still ongoing?

Speaker 5 (55:39):
Oh yeah, we started this, I think on Sunday we're
like round eleven.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
So are you sleeping easier with three quarterbacks? Are you
like not going to bed like worrying, tossing and turning,
worrying about like, because I know if I am in
a slow draft startup and I only have two quarterbacks,
and I'm like, I will think about that laying in
bed at night, like, Okay, when am I going to
get a third quarterback?

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Because it's like a it hangs over your head if
you don't have that.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
As soon as I took him, like I had a
couple of people reach out to you. They're like, I'll
give you my eighth pick in the first next year,
and it's like we're gonna see what.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Happens with it.

Speaker 5 (56:17):
It's like, I'm just gonna hang on to JJ for now,
because like I actually went receiving my first three picks.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
I got the I was on the turn and just
the way it lined up, it's like, Okay, well, I'm
like the quarterback and it's where they worse. It's like,
I'll just take Lamb and Thomas and then in the
thirds and okay, well I'm passing on Marvin Harris at
the end of the third round when we start.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Through receivers, and so I ended up with Jordan Love.
And then people just didn't take the quarterbacks, and some
of them are going to pay for it. One guy
has justin fields and thankfully he's got some rookie picks,
but it's still going to be a problem.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Yeah, And I mean, I'm sure you felt validation when
you were immediately getting trade offers for Jay J. McCarthy,
and so I love the way that sets up for you.
You've got these three young quarterbacks, well maybe Jordan Love's
not so young anymore, but one younger veteran and then
two young guys who are being fully seen as their

(57:16):
respective team starters of the future.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
So I think you handled it well.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
But like there are other there are some drafts where
I'll be like, I'll kind of let it slide and
I'll wind up forced to take like a Derek Carror
Gino Smith as my third quarterback, and I'll feel you
feel okay that you've got a starter, but you also
know that, like you're probably gonna have to address quarterback
in the next rookie.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Well, and the names you threw out there that you
passed on to take JJ, Chris Olave, DJ Moore, are
those the guys that are going to make your team
a contender or not because you don't have them. I
don't think so. I mean, I like both those players.
I'd be interested in having them. But it's not like
you passed up a guy who I think, oh, a
year from now we're talking about as a top eight

(58:03):
receiver in Dynasty. I think that's unlikely, and so that
makes it easier to just take the value at a
really valuable position obviously.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
Yeah, yeah, no, And I just did another start up
a couple of weeks ago, Like I probably have an issue.
This is my second startup, so and I just drafted
Gino Smith as my third quarter back, and it's like
I look at a team, it's like I don't want
to do that again.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Like that's how Yeah, this is a more comfortable spot
to be in, I think for sure. Awesome, Well, thank
you so much for the question. Appreciate you sticking around.
I wait for us to answer it.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
I appreciate it definitely. All right, Fits, We've got two
more questions in the chat. We're a little over an hour,
so we'll go very quickly here and then we'll get
out of here. Bunting asks hypothetically trading Henry for a
mid first, then the mid first, and the one o
eight for one oh one, so essentially turning Derrick Henry
and the one oh eight into Ashton genty hypothetically, if
you look at his team as other running backs Ramandre Stevenson,

(59:04):
Aaron Jones, Chase Brown, is that a move you would
try and spin?

Speaker 2 (59:11):
All right? Looking at his team, this is super flex.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
One eight and Derrick Henry. Yeah, I mean I'm looking
at this team and trying to decide if he can
contend now. And it's a pretty good team, Bunting, like,
I think it's a team that could conceivably contend like

(59:37):
not a well, there is actually quite a bit of
depth here with Jalen Wattle sitting on the bench, Kean
Coleman and Jalen McMillan, who.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Could potentially be really good. Man.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
I'm kind of torn on this one where I'm like,
I just worry that we are redlining it with Derrick
Henry and his value right now. And I know this
is an interesting one for you address because you're a
Ravens fan, and I know a lot of people think
Derrick Henry is just a cyborg who's not ever going
to age. But he is at the age where a
lot of guys start to hit the wall. So I

(01:00:12):
think I would be willing to make that trade.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
How do you feel.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I do not think he's gonna take enough of a
step back this year to be like, oh, we're hitting
the cliff. I think I think at minimum, the touchdown
equity in this offense as Derrick Henry is going to
be extremely high. I think a healthy Derrick Henry is
very likely to score a dozen touchdowns next year. I
just don't This is what they want to do when

(01:00:38):
they getting close to the goal line, and they're gonna
be in a lot of scoring opportunities as long as
Lamar is there unhealthy. Also, the running lanes are the
best he's had in his career because of Lamar and
this Ravens infrastructure. So I think even if he gets worse,
I mean, his season was so good this year if
not for Saquon Barklay's historic year, like more people would

(01:00:58):
have been talking about Derek Henry A is an offensive
player of the year. He could take a huge step back,
and I still think be a very, very valuable fantasy asset.
Having said that, I would trade him in the one
eight for Ashton Genty, Like, I think that's a very
strong move to make, which is essentially what this is.
So I don't actually even really care if you evaluate

(01:01:19):
his roster as contending or not. I think either, Like,
I think Genty's gonna be awesome this year and also
has this much longer runway than Henry, So I do
think Henry is going to still be really good this
year for fantasy, even if he does take a step
back finally on the field, like just as an NFL player.
But Genty is good enough that if there's a gap
between them this year, I don't think it's going to

(01:01:39):
be that wide, and Genty might even be better in
your one. So for me, that's a trade I would
be very willing to make. Yeah, final question here from
Sumo Kid, then we'll get out of here. Hey guys,
great show, Thank you. Would you trade the one O
three and two O three to get Saquon. It's a
super flex league. PPR also wondering about maybe just Marvin

(01:02:01):
Harrison junior straight up for Saquon. If you look at
his team, he's got Lamar and Mahomes as his quarterbacks.
Really no other quarterbacks worth mentioning, so that one O
three could be valuable to just spend on a third
QB running backs. He's got Tyrone, Tracy, Alvin Kamara, Rico Dawdel,
Jordan Mason, so not a strong group there. Wide receiver,

(01:02:22):
he is strong justin Jefferson, Marvin Harrison junior, Mike Evans
drops off a little there, and then he's got George
Kittle at tight end. So that's the team we're talking about.
He's wondering if he should trade the one O three
and two oh three to get Saquon. My gut reaction
to this is no, I don't know if it's contender
ready enough that even the best running back in football
is worth mortgaging, you know, getting two young guys in

(01:02:45):
there to try and compete, because Saquan as good good
as he is is, you know, like twenty eight or
I forget the exact age, but something like that so
he's older too and has an injury history. So my
gut reaction is, no, what do you think fits?

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
That's kind of my gut reaction too, although I do
see Sooner kids dilemma here because he has a team
that had with one more running back, could possibly be
a title contender. I think that's kind of what's missing,
because he's got the one two combo of Lamar Jackson
and Patrick Mahomes at quarterback. He's got a really nice

(01:03:17):
big three at wide receiver with Justin Jefferson, Mike Evans,
and Marvin Harrison. And he's got Kittle a stud and
like some decent possibilities a running back with first and
foremost Tyrone Tracy and Alvin Kamara. But he could use
an anchor running back, so I get why he is
entertaining this possibility. I would not trade Marvin Harrison straight

(01:03:39):
up for him, even though our Dynasty trade value chart
does have a higher value on Saquan than Marvin Harrison.
I just don't think it's a good move with this team,
Sumo kid, because you don't have a great deal of
wide receiver depth. Jefferson Evans then kind of a big
drop off to dobbs Kaishun Booty Mingo Tyler Lockett. I

(01:04:00):
don't think you can afford that the one o three
and the two O three. Man, I think I would
be inclined to stick at two o three or one
o three and two oh three. Take a mariy in
Hampton at one o three, hope he's great. Take another
running back at two oh three and uh, just kind

(01:04:22):
of use your you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Sor to use the I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
The multi part if I could interject. So my problem
with you classifying his team as like, oh, if he
gets Saquan, it could be a contender is there's just
no depth that I like, and injuries will find you
likely you know, don't likely during the season. You're gonna
deal with Bie Weeks in the middle of the year. Like,
if you add Saquan to this team, that's very much

(01:04:50):
a contending I would imagine one of the best starting
lineups in the entire league. But I don't I don't
know that the depth carries you to a high seed
if you have any poor injury. Look So for me,
that's why I've hesitant to give away two pieces that
could add to your depth. For one guy who obviously
is excellent, but who I just worry that if things

(01:05:13):
don't go, if the ball doesn't bounce right for you
this year, that it ends up backfiring. And also to
your point, I really like o Marion Hampton like if again,
if he goes to a great landing spot that one
O three, is it worse than Saquon this year? Of course,
is it that much worse to be worth the trade.
It's in the right landing spot. I actually don't know.

(01:05:35):
I feel strongly to say no on Harrison for Saquon.
I feel less strongly to say no on the picks,
but I would lean know I would understand more that deal, though,
would be my stance.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Yeah, I tend to agree.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
And Sumo Kid mentioned that he placed third last year,
so he is close with this team.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
I think he's very close.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
And even if you don't make that deal for Saquon,
I think if things work out, if you roll Yazi
with that one O three pick, you could absolutely contend
this year. And now that two oh three you make
a good point, maybe he could use a little more
depth on this team worm and having those two picks
one O three and two oh three could help him
get it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
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(01:06:37):
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