Is Ashton Jeanty a First-Round Pick? | Where Rookies Rank in Dynasty Superflex Startups (Ep. 240) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back, everybody. It's a fantasy football podcast, the Dynasty
addition on FB and that is right. It is me
Scott Bogman and with me today because FITZI and Wormley
are on vacation. Seth isn't here, who's normally here with Debro.
It is Bogman and Debro at Debro underscore FFB on
the twitters. What is going on? My dude.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm doing good, man, And I mean you know we're inside, Uh,
we're not outside touching grass. We're inside in our spreadsheets
and stuff, not playing golf like some of the other
people on the team. You know. Shout out to FITZI
and everybody. Hope he's got a SPF two hundred on.
But so it's a good time for everybody, man, whether
not getting a little bit of R and R. Were
kind of recooping from the NFL Draft. You and I

(00:48):
are going to we're.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
In the lab.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, we're in the lab, baby. I mean, it's all
the way NFL Draft and the fallout of and Dynasty
and stuff. We're gonna talk a lot about ranks today.
I'm excited, man.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, yeah, And we've told you all already where we
rank these rookies, Debro and I are quite different on
a couple.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
That's just the nature of the beast. That's how it is.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
All we're gonna do today is tell you where these
rookies stack up for us in super flex startup drafts.
So in a super flex overall ranking sense, we're gonna
give you where we have them ranked in the overall
compared to the veteran players, so you know where they
are going to fall. Now, let me tell you guys
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(01:53):
All right, Debro, let's dive into the meat here and
let's start with ash and Gent and I can tell
you right now we are both higher on Ashton genty
than the overall consensus ECR ranks still a little bit early.
I think we have thirty ish twenty five ish people
that have been ranking in ECR, but his overall ECR

(02:15):
is twenty one. Debro you are at eight, I am
at eighteen. I think you know you and I were
talking about this before we jumped on here. I think
you are higher on the rookies just in general than
I am.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Not every single one.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
There are guys that I'm higher on than you are,
but I also specifically in Superflex, I bump those qbs
up crazy, like I have ten qbs before I have
Ashton gent Wow. Just because you know we talk about it.
Fits has brought up this point on the show many times.
You have as well, that qbs are just impossible to

(02:54):
trade for in a super flex dynasty once you know
the draft is over, so you either have to draft
them and rookie draft, or you have to overpay for them.
So if we're starting up, I need to get me
a quarterback, probably two in the first three rounds. So
that's kind of where my head is at. But Ashton
Genty is a super talent. You are higher than anybody

(03:16):
in the world on him in a super flex startup.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
So let's hear how good is Ashton Genty?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I mean I did to set it on a on
the The Red Draft FP Show with Joey earlier. I
think this week, man like, I just look at Ashton Genty.
I think he's gonna have Saquon Barkley type of rookie season.
I think he's gonna be a top five back from
the word go. I look at it, and I know
a lot of people look at gent as or just
running backs in general, like whether you're doing a rebuild

(03:43):
or whether you know, how are you gonna build your
team in a startup? I look at Genty as a
foundational piece and whether that and that just that's just
He's a pillar you look at you want to start
your team, and whether this is a rebuild or startup,
you want to have foundational pillars on your team. And
that's what I think gent is man. So I think
he's gonna be amazing from the word go. I've got

(04:05):
him as my RB three in Dynasty. To your point,
I only have three quarterbacks over him, and those are
the elite tier guys that I look at, with Josh Allen,
Lamar Jackson, and Jaydon Daniels. To your point, I still
because it's talking more about superflex, Like I still have
eleven quarterbacks inside of my top twenty five players. Yeah,
I mean it's good quarterback exposure. I think one of
my shifts now, I will say I used to be

(04:27):
more a little more quarterback heavy in previous years, but
as the quarterback landscape has kind of changed and just
how we play dynasty and stuff. Me specifically, I've moved
kind of quarterbacks, like I'm willing to pay up for
those top top tier guys and then kind of figure
out maybe QB two at times and stuff like that,
but I still put a premium on them considering a format.

(04:49):
But ju Genti's awesome, man, Like, yeah, I've got two
running backs and two wide receivers over him outside of
quarterbacks that I'm willing to take over him in dynasty.
So I'm I'm drinking all the kol aid. I think
he gonna crush in year one.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
And by the way, just you know, to show you
in not with non quarterbacks, he is my eighth overall player.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
So in regular PPR dynasty, he's.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
You just have a quarterbacks Like that's what's pushing him
on the board. That's that's that's exactly of it.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, and I'm still higher than consensus on him, since
consensus is twenty one. Now you can see where the
shift is because we both have qbs over Omar and Hampton.
I know you're not as big on Omari and Hampton
as I am, but you have him at thirty eight
overall I have at thirty five. His overall ECR is
thirty three, so that's pretty standard. Omario Hampton checks in

(05:36):
in the third round for pretty much everybody, even overall
for Debro and for myself. He is a third rounder,
so not a surprise there, I guess. I guess that
would make him a fourth rounder for you. But right
on the border of third and four, this the next player,
is where the controversy comes in between you and myself, Debro,

(05:58):
because it's like I said, it's early in the rankings.
Not everybody has done them, but tedor Rod McMillan, you
are highest in the rankings and I am lowest in
the rankings. So I'll give you the floor first, since
you know we want positivity first. You're seventeen on him overall,

(06:19):
you'd be the highest by a grip of spots about
a round on anyone else. On McMillan, So I think
he has Mike Evans upside. You seem to think he
is Mike Evans.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I mean, dude, I just I've said throughout the entirety
of this process that I think he's Drake London, and
I value Drake London because the fact that it is
is the ceiling with the type of player that we're
discussing here, a prototypical X that could play both outside
and inside, whether you want to talk about like and
I think the other thing with that people are knocking

(06:53):
a little bit is the landings pot of Carolina.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
If landing spot, I mean, dude, that's my thing.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Like, I want to be aggressive and very high on
a player that just landed in a spot where he
legitimately could get one hundred and thirty targets maybe more
in year one. He is the unquestioned number one wide
receiver in that offense. Back in the back half of
the season, when Bryce Young actually stood out and looked like, okay,

(07:19):
maybe he is the franchise quarterback for this franchise moving forward.
I mean, dude, they were thirteenth in neutral passing rate,
So now we're talking about Carolina got a wide receiver,
a true wide receiver one. We comped him to Drake
London throughout the entire process a lot of people and
even if they didn't, it was t Higgens or Courtland
Sutton pre injury, Courtland Sutton, all of those guys that
where people have been high and aggressive on in previous years.

(07:43):
And we've seen Produce and the Carolina Panthers put respect
on his name as a top ten pick in the
NFL draft, which I told he was too slow to
be that in the process, people cherry picking stats. So yeah,
with tedorro McMillan, like, yeah, dude, I've I gota been
wide receiver nine right now, like a bump the go
down a little bit. Lad, We'll see like what happens

(08:03):
at the pass rate and things like that. Again, like
he's not my wide receiver one of this class, but
I also Travis Hunter. Just to again go back to
the rookies of my aggressiveness there, he's my wide receiver
twelve in dynasty. But like, I want to be aggressive
on these guys. And I think Ted has huge upside,
like not only in the next like two to three years,
but in his rookie season in general.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, and I felt like I was. I thought I
was being somewhat high on McMillan, But I have him
in where's ECR at Like ECRs have forty one, so
you're at seventeen, I'm at fifty seven. So we are
we are opposites. We're both pretty far from ECR on
him though, so to me, I have him in a

(08:47):
grip of wideouts from seventeen down to twenty six, really
sixteen down to twenty six, so you know, ten eleven
wideouts here, and you know he's at the bottom of
this tier for me because he's a rookie. Travis Hunter
one pick ahead of him as well. My thing with
Travis Hunter I think Travis Hunter is better than this
ranking in his skill. But you know that FITZI point

(09:11):
of what if a new coaching staff comes in he's
playing better corner than he is wide receiver, like, does
he get pushed? So I have a little bit of
that fear still in me on Travis Hunter. I think
he's amazing, and I think I think the most likely
outcome is he's awesome. So if you want to bump
him up to where Debro has him at twenty nine,
is that what it was, Yeah, twenty nine, you're not

(09:32):
highest in the world, but you're two spots off. So
if you want to bump him up there, I understand that.
For me, it's the risk. Like do I think McMillan's
gonna be great? Yes, I know that Devonte Smith is good.
I know George Pickens is good. I know Jalen Waddle
is pretty solid. A bad year last year. If but
if you want to put him ahead of like Jordan
Addison and you will to move him into that you know,

(09:55):
t Higgins, Harrison Wilson, JSN group, I'm okay with that.
I I think it's a little high since we haven't
seen him yet, but I love this situation. As you mentioned,
you know, the Panthers did a great job in this draft,
but that defense is not fixed.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
They're gonna have to play point for point.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, with most teams, and I think in the third
fourth quarter McMillan is going to have some games that
are absolutely enormous.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
So I do like him.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I'm just not as high on him as you are.
Same thing with Travis Hunter. I'm at fifty six, you're
at twenty nine, so we're a little bit closer. But
you know, we're the consensus is still forty four. We're
still both pretty far off of that, so not surprising.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
See Travis Hunter have a wide range.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I mean he goes from twenty seven to seventy eight
in his minimum and maximum. I mean for Ted it's
thirty and fifty seven. So the gap is I think
people just are outside of you to your point.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
They don't know what to do with Travis Hunter. And
I'll give the bowl case because I am high on Hunter.
I'm dude, after the draft capital, the Jacksonville sowed into him,
I'm not worried about the corner stuff. Like I've done
a total one eighty on that and I've come around
on it because I was really worried about him playing
corner and we got marginal wide receiver production in year one,

(11:13):
year two NBA's entire career. Dude, I mean just from
the top down, like one hundred foot view here, bagman,
do you think Jacksonville makes that type of aggressive move
up the board for a guy that they are going
to play at corner, because that's That's where I'm at, Like,
I don't think you make that move from a franchise standpoint,
give up as much as they did to go get

(11:34):
Travis Hunter, select him where they did to play him
at corner. Like, I think he's gonna be a full
time wide receiver and then we'll see how much he
plays corner.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
That's the I think that's the likeliest scenario is that
he's brought in to play wider. Honestly, maybe I'm wrong,
but that's but he was Jerseys bro. We're talking about
Seat Cohn, who owns the aw right, Like, yeah, he
makes these big, splashy, goofy.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Moves to get media, pay to get dude, that's right.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
So uh, he he went up and paid the price
to get Travis Hunter to sell Jerseys. Honestly, he's a phenom, right,
you haven't seen anything like him. If you can put
him in Jacksonville, make the Jaguars popular, that's what you're
trying to do.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
So but you get more popularity.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Playing the offensive side, which is why he hired an
offensive coach as well in Liam Cohen. So I mean,
I think that the running's on the wall for him
to be a stud here. I just you know, Liam
Cohn has never been a head coach. I don't think
he's gonna be Urban Meyer, but it would it be
shocking if he's drummed out in two years and whoever
the new coach comes in wants to say, well, I

(12:38):
think you're better at corner, Travis.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Maybe he's not. So there's just a lot of options.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Maybe which is a full time wide receiver play in
his under his belt as well, and shouldn't he.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
The most likely scenario is he sticks a wide receiver.
I mean, I'll mit that and say it obviously.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
The other thing about Hunter that I want to point
out real quick and why I'm high on him both
in a redraft perspective and dynasty is just when you
look at this passing attack too, if he is a
full time wide receiver. The two things that stand out
to me too, like looking at his rookie season outlook specifically,
and how much value he could gain once we do

(13:17):
get that clarity of okay, get we need one training
camp blurb or one blurb to come out from Jacksonville
saying he will definitively be a full time wide receiver
and the corner stuff is up in the air, and
then I think people will adjust the rankings. But just
looking at his rookie season outlook, dude, it is him
and Brian Thomas Junior and that passing attack and a

(13:38):
whole lot of other dudes that probably won't sniff north
of a fourteen maybe fifteen percent target share. So its a.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Good thing you're not on the show is set today
because you're insulting two Penn State alumni in that sentence,
Parker Washington and Brenton Strange.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I just just keep it a real dude, like even
if you like Strange, like, is he gonna come in on?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
You know, it's Brian Thomas's Travis Hunter by a million
in Jacksonville.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
No one is debating that. I'm just joking, but yeah, no, no,
Like I think.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
I think the most likely scenario is he's awesome. Maybe
I need to bump them up a little bit more.
And honestly, both those guys could be bumped up to
the top of that tier. And if they were, that
would get them to forty six for me, which is
still under consensus, but way way closer. So you know,
if you want to look at it through that lens
of look, this is my tier, just move them to

(14:33):
the top of the tier, then they're way closer to consensus.
But you know, I like what I've seen from some
of these other guys already. So that that's all. Let's
move on from Travis Hunter cam Ward. I'm higher on
than ECR. You're just a little bit lower. It's about
five spots for you. You're much closer. Fifty four is
his ECR. I've at forty three. I'm at fifty nine.

(14:54):
That is just again the case of quarterbacks in super
Flex I have I think I have him set as
my eighteenth QB, but.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I have up there, I've got even QB nineteen. So yeah, okay,
all that we're almost in lockstep with how we view
award and stuff like that. And I mean I've got
him and Jackson Dart right next to each other at
QB eighteen, QB nineteen and stuff. So I think it's
just how we're ordering quarterbacks versus the rest of the position.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
And I have eighteen qbs inside my top fifty, so
that's why I have him a little bit higher. So
I don't think that's surprising. Travon Henderson, this might be
our closest player rank. I have him in sixty two,
you have in sixty four. As ECR is fifty eight,
so we're both a little bit lower on Travon Henderson.
I was actually kind of surprised to see that I'm
lower because typically I am higher on running backs than

(15:46):
most people. But I think this is the shiny new toy.
Travon Henderson got a big bump, like I want to say,
the last two weeks before the draft, it was kind
of he was pushed to the obvious third RB on
most board.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
I know it's not he wasn't on yours, but he was.
Oh he was, Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
He barely beat Harvey, right, yeah, so yeah, so that's
kind of where he is. I was surprised to see
that we're a little bit lower, but you know, he's
he is still a running back that has had injuries
in college. So but we're right, We're right in line there.
Quinch On Judkins, I'm a little higher on than you are,
but again seven spots off, not a big difference.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
So actually close to ECR.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
I was kind of very close.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
I thought ECR was going to be higher on Judkins
than maybe even both of us, considering just the vibes
that are out there. Some people are like over the
moon for him. So to see that we're kind of
like in line with ECR, is a little bit surprising.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Well after cam Ward and cam Ward in terms of
ECR is the sixth rookie on the board here even
in super flex. But after we get to Trey Henderson,
look it's fifty two and seventy three is the max
at Quin Shawn Judkins and on down it opens way
up because Judkins' highest rank is forty one. Someone has

(17:09):
him inside the top fifty and his lowest is one
fifty nine, and that is.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Just bad ranks. Like some people haven't like updated stuff
enough from the.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
From me, it might be, but I when I looked
of the pickers that I was choosing from, it was
it was after the draft. Oh lord, I think that's
probably the probably somebody thinks Dylan Samson Androme Ford are
better than him or something, but he was he was
taking ahead of Dylan saying.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
That's yeah, I know, that's just craziness.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Then, I mean, you know, look, stranger things have happened
to Aaron Jones was drafted after Jamal Williams.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
It ended up being the start of there.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
But I mean that's like I might even high on Judkins,
but like I even think that's a little bit of crazy.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Sing right right, but I mean, also, how far back
am I reaching for that example? You know what I mean,
Like it doesn't happen. So but the next player here
is one that we are different on. It's Colson Lovelin.
His ZCR is seventy three. You're fifty six. I'm eighty
six or thirty spots different, But neither one of us

(18:07):
are the highest or the lowest on him because his
minimum is fifty one, so you're five spots off of that,
and his max is one thirty four. So someone has
just this probably Sealy, right, we talked to Seely about
how much he hates the tight ends. I didn't look
to see who it was.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
It's not Sealy, but.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
You're just a little higher on the tight ends for me,
specifically rookie tight ends. And we'll talk about this again
with Tyler Warren in a couple of spots here. I
just they're not all brock powers, right, and we want
them to all be really good. But we've had too
many examples of Dalton Kincaid and Kyle Pitts and these
guys that can put up decent numbers, but they were

(18:42):
way overvalued coming in.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
And I'm just I am a little fearful of that.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
But I still have these guys in my top one hundred,
so I still like them, but I'm not as enthusiastic
as you are.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Well and keeping it a buck. I didn't realize I
was that high versus ECR. I'm I'm gonna lie, I like,
right now on the show, I'm bumping them down to
seventy two and seventy three because that's right in line
because I want to be right in line with ECR.
Maybe a shade below it, because while I like them,
I am really worried with their year one outlooks like

(19:15):
I think both of these guys are going to be
at the top of every single twenty twenty six go
out and trade for this guy article that will be written.
So I want to be in line with ECR. Maybe
a shade below because I want people to be over
the moon. So that again, like as we're walking through
this exercise with our rankings again looking at us versus consensus,

(19:36):
I'll keep it a buck here, I'm moving them down
to consensus.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, I think that's that's a good call.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
And uh yeah, I mean I'm probably warn the same
thing because you were higher than anybody.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'm warned.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
So I think that's good.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
And you know, just looking through these sometimes you go ooh,
I don't want to be this high on this player.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Let me no, I don't like. I want to take
stands in my rankings, and I want people to understand
where I'm taking those stands and those pivots and stuff
and the guys that I'm willing to flag plant going
into the rookie seasons. But also with that Bogman like,
I want to be very clear about the players that
I'm not nearly as high on, and I want brankings
to reflect that. So that was an oversight by.

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down the board here, Debro, you said you're gonna move up, Tyler,
You're gonna move down, Tyler Warren. I'm at eighty seven.
Is DCRs at eighty so you'll be kind of right

(20:58):
in line after those moves. I Mecchagbuka is at seventy five.
We're at seventy nine and seventy eight, so just a
slight touch below ECR, but right on the line.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
There not a surprise. Caleb Johnson and RJ. Harvey.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Look, we're both higher than consensus on eighty two. For Caleb,
you have him in sixty seven. I haven't eight to one.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
RJ.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Harvey eighty five, I have at seventy four. You have
him at forty, inside the top fifty, only ranker inside
the top fifty. I know RJ. Harvey has been your
dude since before the draft. The landing spot is phenomenal
for his value, specifically early. So you just lay out
any of the thoughts on a Harvey like you haven't

(21:42):
beaten this to death, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (21:44):
I know, man like you know I've talked about it
a lot, but like I've got him as an RB
one in Dynasty right now, and people could say that
that is just insane, But dude, I think he kind
of goes back to like when we look at this,
like I want to be aggressive on these guys, and
if we were to say, like where would people be ranking,
like Amarion Hampton even Caleb Johnson, Like if either one

(22:05):
of those guys, or like, let's talk about if quinch
On Judkins would have landed in Denver, like people would
be that aggressive. I think some of this comes back
to the age of r. J. Harvey, and I've said
it time and time again. I do not care about that.
Like I don't care that he's twenty four. That doesn't
matter to me. If you're playing Dynasty in a two

(22:25):
to three year window, then that shouldn't matter to you either.
And if it comes down to okay, people are like, oh,
what about a second contract? Bro, Like you want to
talk about it even this era right now, in the
last two years of the NFL and giving second and
third contracts to aging running backs, that's a good thing.
Like R J. Harvey coming out of his rookie deal,
being twenty eight twenty nine. However, you want to splice

(22:47):
that might not matter at all when the NFL is
giving second and third contracts to Aaron Jones, Dereck Henry,
all these other guys like Sakuon Barkley's getting an extension
upon extension, And this just goes back to if he's
good and he does hit the ground running and he
is that dude, he's gonna earn a second contract who

(23:08):
is running by another team? So who are.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
The rbs that you have him around in your rankings,
because I'll just tell you I have him. It was
so tough for me, Derrick Henry, CMC and RJ.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Harvey.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
I have him right below those guys that could easily
push him ahead of those guys wouldn't be surprising. But
then I have RJF Caleb, and I have obviously I'm
a Skataboo fan. I have Skataboo at nineteen twenty twenty one.
And then I have like Camara who's long in the two,
Joe Mixon, Chuba's only done it for one year, Montgomery's
on this way down the Checko's coming off an injury.

(23:41):
Like I have him ahead of that group where do
you have him among rbs.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
I've got him. I've got him in a much higher
five lie, like I've got him right above Devon a
Chan and right above James Cook. And Okay, so like
again going back and just looking at those those guys
and their situation. Dude, Miami scares to ever love him,
but Jesus out of me, Like we still think that
that offensive Liamy might not be good. So McDaniel might

(24:09):
be gone if they start out zero to four. That
entire locker room is a mess. Are they gonna trade Tyreek?
Can Tui stay healthy? Like all of these concerns. That's
why I put him above a Chan And James Cook
is going into a contract season. We don't even know
if he's gonna be a freaking Buffalo Bill. We don't
know if Ray Davis plays more of a role. Like

(24:29):
was it awesome for James Cook? Yeah, it was really
good last year. But also the Bills are kind of
telling us, I mean, what if he's not with the
Buffalo Bills and he's in free agent land next year?
And now we just had this stocked running back class
come through, and it's like, is he gonna find a
second contract? Like a really good one and the same
kind of landing spot for his archetype. So I've got

(24:51):
some worries there and I got him right ahead Josh Jacobs,
who's in that kind of You can make a case
for him above him, below him. It just depends on
what you think about Jacob, his contract and the Packers.
So again I'm putting a lot of respect on him
and did I'll even throw up one more. I've got
him above Breese Hall because who the hell knows what
happens with the Jets this year? Man, Like I mean,

(25:11):
Eric Glynn's come in and one of the media things
he said was one he gave the bird Daron Rodgers,
so peace out, and then he said in the same breath,
this might be a committee. So we don't know what
it looks like for Breese Hall right now.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
I mean, if Breese Haall's healthy, you can't take him
off the field.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
They ain't gonna be.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
No, I don't think you can. But I don't know
if Jets think that.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, I mean maybe Braylan Allen I didn't like going
in the draft.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
He was better than that.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I didn't either.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
I liked Isaiah Davis. I like Isaiah Davis more.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yes, so I agreed.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, so so we'll see. I mean they have a
lot of options back there. Let's go to Jackson Dart.
We've talked about it in this last show, so we
don't have to kill this. I'm like one spot below.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Ec R on the highest guy one.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
If you're the highest guy, you just but where is
h among QB's That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
He's QB eighteen. So again he's right next to he's
right ahead of cam Ward. I've been consistent on my
takes about having Dart overward. I'm not changing that now
they both got first round capital, and you know, I
want to be aggressive on a guy that I know
that I stand opposed to a lot of people, including
yourself and Fitsie and a lot of others in the industry,

(26:18):
where I believe in the talent of Jackson Dart. If
I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
But but he's gonna have a long leash first round ers.
Oh he will.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
And the things it's between being one oh one versus
twenty fifth overall, like, to me, that doesn't matter. It's
the fact that he is a first round draft died quarterback.
So I'm not gonna sit here and quibble over well
one guy went at the top and the other guy
went to twenty fifth spot.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I mean, to your credit, I have him at twenty six.
I'm gonna move him up at least one spot to
twenty five. But I do still have him behind Dak
who's old Bryce Richardson, who might flame out this year, right,
So I can't.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Have it like above. I can't have him Blue Richardson
like I just I just don't.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Think he plays it all this year.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
And then you know, if Russell is good for the Giants,
do they give him like a two year deal?

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Is he sitting like Jordan Love?

Speaker 1 (27:11):
And typically if it's and I have a difference in
this as well, I'm looking at the three year window
in my rankings. I'm not trying to look too much
beyond that because I mean, how many leagues have you
been in debro that disband o.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yes exactly. People are like, oh, I get this player
for ten years, bro, that's if your league is if.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Your league, and that that's a realistic thing to think
of too.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
It's not you know, some.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Startups to have like the next year, like you have
like maybe three orphan teams in the league after one
year and two or three teams suck and they all
all leave.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
I'm in a couple of dynasties.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
It started when Welsh and I began it TL, so
they are years deep. So sometimes it works out for you,
but not every time. So I just you know, I
try to get my money early in dynasty leagues. That way,
I'm paying everything off with my winnings from the first year.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I think one of the other ways, and you brought
this up, Dogmen, is to how we're approaching Dart specifically
to is I think there's more of a chance he
makes meaningful starts this season because I've seen Russell Wilson,
so that's another division here. Yeah, I don't think he
sits the entire year. I think what the team said
coming out of the draft, they're like, oh, Russell Wilson.

(28:24):
Basically they said, Russell Wilson is the QB one. Now,
that doesn't mean he'll be the QB one maybe even
when we get to week one. Now, I don't think
Jackson start is starting in week one under cent But
how many weeks does it take for Russ to look
like the cooked version of himself at the end of
the year. Last year, with Pittsburgh where basically, like dude,

(28:45):
it's all of the only thing in his repertoire nowadays
is we know he's not going to utilize the middle
of the field. It's either he's checking down to the
running backs or he's throwing the deep ball. He doesn't
have the mobility to really do a whole lot on
the ground anymore and by time and do the backyard
ball stuff anymore, or he just doesn't man like at
his age.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, look, I'm not I don't think that Russell Wilson
is keeping Jackson Dart off the field.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
No, And I think Dart will be QB two over
Winston because, Bro, you want to talk about Brian Dable
turning like seven shades of purple and red the first
time Winston does something winston ish on the field and
throws a pick and pick like literally chucking the clipboard
at him. No, I think that's why Winston. I look
at this as dark gets on the field Year one,

(29:29):
when that happens is totally up for debate, and Winston
is the QB three walking into week one. Is how
how I'm projecting it.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, I think it's Jordan Love and Patrick Mahomes like
the guys that didn't make starts before week ten picked
in the first round.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Uh, you know in a long time.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I'm probably missing somebody in there, but a lot of
these first rounders end up making starts. I just think
that the Giants one of the few teams like if
he doesn't absolutely kill it in uh camp and offseason,
then Winston is number two. So if Russell sucks or
gets hurt before week ten, then it is Jamius. So
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All right, d bro, let's talk about some of these
whiteouts here. Matthew Golden, we're both higher than consensus on

(31:20):
seventy six, really eighty three. His ECR is ninety four.
I am not the highest person on Matthew Golden. Surprisingly,
I'm not either.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I'm surprised I'm above ECR.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
To be honest, dude, I know eighty three you're still
a little bit below me, But somebody drug them all
the way down to two two.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, it's fair.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
We'll see what happens there. Luther Burton I am at
seventy nine. His ECR is six, and I'm below you
were at one twenty six, but you're not even close
to the lowest either. And his ECR is ninety six,
so you are thirty spots down on ECR. Then you
were higher than anyone on Shadan Higgins and Trey Harris.

(32:02):
Anyone that has listened to you is not surprised by
that at all. I'm ninety five ninety six. Their ECR
is one twelve, one seventeen. So uh. The only guy
that we're not higher than consensus on is you are
not higher on Burden. But I'm higher on all of
these guys. I think this was a little bit of

(32:22):
an underrated class. I think for the most part, you
agree with me.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, I definitely agree, man, Like I've been out there
talking about this, like I I thought that this wide
receiver class got way too much freaking shade from the
very beginning and continued to throughout the entirety of the process. Like,
and to be honest, man, I mean, can we say
that like the NFL kind of agreed with I mean
both of us and saying that, like you look at

(32:48):
the like how this class stacked up we had nine
wide receivers go in the top two rounds of the
NFL Draft, and everybody's like, this Wed receiver class sucks. Man,
It's terrible all.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
The curt players go in the top two rounds. I mean,
come on before, we have tippy top talent. But these
guys are still really good. And by the way, he
thinks they did have at least one tippy top.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Tenn Yes in tech I do.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I think Ted and Hunter are are extremely good talents.
I also firmly believe, like in Trey Harris and Mecca Buka,
if he can get a runway, we'll see what happens
with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and stuff like that.
But Jaden Higgins super high on him, Like I'm not
as high, even though I'm with above ECR on Matthew Golden.
But dude, Jalen Nole had a horrible landing spot. I'll

(33:39):
say horrible in the sense that, like in year one,
he landed behind Christian Kirk. But the other part about
that is, if we flip over the cards in it's
week five, bogs like and Kirk is heard again and
Jalen Nole is this year's tank dell, are you going
to be that surprised. I'm not, dude, No.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I'm not. And by the way, I have these guys
rank between thirty one. I have Golden at thirty one
among wide receivers. Then I go like Buka thirty three,
Burden at thirty four, I have Higgins at forty, Trey
Harris at forty one. So okay, these guys, a couple
of them maybe wide receiver fours, just because you haven't

(34:19):
seen him do it yet. Like I'm not putting Higgins
or Harris ahead of Pearsaw yet. And I still like
Mike Evans still averaged fourteen and a half points last year.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Like the guy seems like he's.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Found He's the He's the one pirate that found the
Fountain of Youth that they were looking for. Mike Evans
sometimes it seems like, but that's the range.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
I what is the range for you?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
On these wideouts I've got I've got again, I've got
Pearsol above all these different guys. I've got Trey Harris
at twenty eight, I've got Higgins at thirty three, agg
Buca thirty four, Golden thirty.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Five, other wide receiver threes. They're like you already have
your two top guys.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yes, and this is where I'm taking kind of my shot,
and then you know, you get.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I've got Call at forty four, and I got Besh
at forty five and Burden forty six. So like you
and I are, like the ordering of how we got
these guys and where that stacks up versus the overall
is different. But how we're sorting these guys that we
have in our rankings around those spots, I mean we're
pretty much in lockstep the way we're doing that, unless
I miss something.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
No, No, I think our process is fairly similar. Let's
go to a couple of running backs here. Because I'm
higher than anybody on one, You're higher than anybody on one.
Mine is cam Scataboo. Uh, let's just do it.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I'm not that far behind you, but you are not.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Because I might be number two, I.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Have been labeled a Scattaboo hater. I want to point
that out.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I think I gave you that label by the way.
I was a little too high.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
It's fine. I was below on him throughout the entirety
of the process because I was like, with the testing
and everything, I could see a team loving him and
maybe he goes round three. I also could see him
be tylery al Yard or anything like that in him
going around five. So like the fact that he goes
to round four, And where do you have him in
your running back rankings, because that's where I wanted to ask.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Twenty first is where I have him?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Okay far behind. See, I've got him at twenty four,
so I again, he's a top twenty more running back.
I got him as an Army two in Dynasty, So like, yeah,
Tracy right, like you have Tracy I have.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
I have Tracy at twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
I got see and I'm even lower. I got Tracy
at at thirty six. So I'm saying I think there's
a divide, and I think Skataboo is going to be
their lead back.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
I'll tell you this. The one thing I like about
Tracy right is that you can put him at wide receiver.
He can play the slot. So he played the slot
of produce. So I do think his value lowers. Maybe
not crazy, I'll say this, Devin Singletary seems to ruin
somebody every year and he's still.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
In New York.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I bet. I mean, look, if Tracy fumbles again, he's
out of the rotation and can Scataboo's the guy he
fumbled to.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
That's why they took Skataboo.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
He agreed, agreed, and Scataboo is actually good in pass
pro so like I think Skataboo is going to be
their two minute back, not Tracy, and a lot of
people will be like with the postgame utility, bro, if
you can't block, you're not the two minute back, like.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Straight up absolutely now you are higher than anybody else
on Bayhelle Tutin also not a surprise if you listen
to Debro before, I'm lower overall is ECRs one twenty eight.
I'm at one thirty eight, so I'm about ten spots off,
but pretty close for a guy going this late.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
You're at eighty nine. You got him in the top
one hundred.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I've got him at RBE twenty three. I got him
right ahead of Skataboo.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
I have him at RB forty, so I have him
below Like ifident guys, if we fast.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Forward to week one and baseial tuton is, I'm not
gonna say, let's let's not even go through with he
is the clear starter. Let's just say he's the one
beat it's him and either Tank or Travis Etn. Like
he has stopped one of those guys in the depth chart,
He's gonna be maybe the forty maybe the fifty percent
guy in that backfield in in this this fictional reality

(38:12):
I've created for us, where would you move Tooting up
to if you knew those things right now? Because I
know we're doing this really early.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
So I think there's one thing that would boost him
significantly in my rankings, and that is if they trade
Travis Etn. Okay, because I still think Travis Etn is
the best back among all these backs, including Twoton. But
he has been and you can say this with a
lot of guys in Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence included, he has
been woefully miscast by urban Meyer and Thug Peterson and

(38:43):
the rest of the well.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
And then also I'm unable to stay healthy too. I
think that that you know.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
That that is a big part of it, right, Like
a lot of one was real bad. But I just
think that if he if he's used properly, he is
still better. He had one hundred and fifty carries last year.
He played fifteen games, right like, so he should if
he's playing team. You should have way more than that,
or it should be on a different team. You know,
they drafted too, and they drafted la Quinn Al and
they sell tank bigsby there as well. They have so

(39:08):
many RBS. Travis Etn is a guy that could easily
get moved.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
So we just saw on the other day Dallas is
working the phones.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Obviously they need to be on the phone for Travis Etn.
That are like, I'm not saying.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
I will move Tooting up probably to like thirty uh
in my RBS, so i'd have him in that Brian Robinson,
Jalen Warren, Zach Sharboney type of range. Like guys that
have it back next to them, what are the lead guy.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
It looks like. So, uh, we'll see.

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All right, de bro the next couple guys here, let's
talk about a couple qbs. We don't have to talk
about the overall with these guys. Obviously I'm higher, you're
lower on QBS.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
We know that.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Where are you at on Jalen Milroe in Stor Sanders
Because I mean, it's not a rumor you are a
Milroe hater?

Speaker 3 (40:27):
We all know that.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
And Shador is a tough one to pin down. I'll
tell you guys, I have Milroe at twenty eight. I
have him one spot below Sam Darnold, and I have
him one spot ahead of Shaduur at twenty nine. I
have some of the old guys Stafford after them. You're
getting one more year from Stafford, I feel like maybe two?

(40:50):
And are they any good? He averaged thirteen point nine
points last season?

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Not good? Right, Gino? I have below them.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I mean, you know, if you need a starter, fine
take Gino, take Matthew Stafford. Right, don't take the risk
on a guy that's not going to start this year.
Neither one of these guys are slated to start this
year or projected to start this year, but they both
have upside. Obviously, Shador was supposed to have, you know,
borderline first second round upside. Most of mock season, he
was going in the top five. Clearly did not happen.

(41:20):
Milroe went ahead of him. Is in that nice scenario
we broke it down with Jake a couple of days
ago where they could get out of the Sam Darnold
contract after year one, But we all agree that Jalen
Milroe isn't ready. So like, how do you see these guys'
value regardless of where you rank them?

Speaker 2 (41:40):
So I've got Jaln Milroe at QB thirty four, I've
got Shador at QB thirty five. I think the conversation
for them for me, where do you have them starting
at bogmin like two high had three?

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, I got them at twenty eight, twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Okay, so we're not far off. We're not far off.
I want to be very very clear about that. We're
not far off. Again, where we're at the overall is different,
but where we're seeing these guys in our quarterback rankings,
I think the conversation for both of these guys starts
at QB QB thirty, QB thirty one. So we're basically
in lockstep with that, Like I've got Tyler Shuck at

(42:17):
QB thirty right now, and a lot of that is
I'm projecting. I don't know, if we see Derek Carr,
I'm projecting that he's going to be their starter week one,
not Derek Carr and not Spencer Rattler. So I've got
him at QB thirty. But I've got Aaron Rodgers and
Russell Wilson, Daniel Jones, those guys that could sniff and
be starters this year to start the year. Now, Again,
that's just because I think they start immediately, and we

(42:40):
are kind of up in the air with Milroe and
Shaudure now as we go through training camps, Rogers signs
doesn't sign things unfold in Indie and New York with
those quarterback situations, I could be easily moving up Milroe
and Shaudure. If one Milroe is the clear QB two
Sam Darnold's kind of in training camp and stuff, and

(43:02):
Schduer looks like maybe he's the starter. Then again, I'm
moving these guys immediately up to QB thirty one and
QB thirty two, and we're not We're not far off
with that. So a lot of this is where we're
at in the off season, how we're projecting these guys,
where we're ranking them based off of what we're saying
with some For me, what I'm saying with some of
the veterans that are probably just one year stop gap

(43:24):
guys versus where we sit with these guys when training
camp hasn't even opened. So still some movement to be
had with training camp and things like that and how
all that unfolds. But I think we're we're pretty much
in locksteps still.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yeah, And I don't know. Milrow to me is a
lottery ticket. I have him been ninety nine. If you
don't want to pay for a lottery ticket inside the
top one hundred, that's fine. But really, this what his
spot in your startup draft is going to look like
really depends on where the qbs go. If everyone's playing
it cool in round one and like six go instead

(44:00):
of like ten, then maybe the qbs start dropping a
little bit and you can get a decent value on him.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
If eighteen of.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
The first twenty four picks or QB's is something insane
because everybody's doubling up.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Then the bat signal has been lit, and then notice
has been sent out. Everybody's like, oh baby.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
We gotta just you gotta get on right right. So
that would be one of those scenarios where you pick high.
You know, you get your quarterback, there's not one worth
taking in the second or third, so you're waiting and
you're getting an old guy like Stafford and then you
back him up with a mill Row for some upside
right in next year's the twenty twenty six draft class

(44:38):
looks like it could have a decent amount of qbs
as well. All right, moving on down the list, we're
both higher than consensus on Jalen Nole, Debro, You're just
four spots off of being the highest on Jalen Noles.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
So it didn't win the award.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
That change I was based off of freaking principle. I
gotta change that.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
His ECRs one forty three. And by the way, for Milrow,
I don't I think I gave that his overall ECRs
one twenty one Chadors one thirty eight. So you know,
both above one fifty, but below well below one hundred.
But Jalen Noel, Jack Besh one forty three, one forty four,
we're both higher on these guys. I'm like right on

(45:18):
ECR thirty seven, thirty five, yere one thirteen, one fourteen,
So just a couple of rounds higher. You'll see this
in my rankings. We talked about it in the rookies
the other day. But like Mason Taylor, I have at
one seventy eight, his ECR is one forty seven. You're
a little above. I'm pretty far below. But you'll notice
that I'm low on Arroyo.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
I'm low on Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
We talked about this with tight ends.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I'm just lower on tight ends. Where is Mason Taylor
in your tight ends? Because to me, like I have
Lovelin and Warren at four and five, right, so they're
not okay.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
So I have them at five and six. Where do
you get Taylor at?

Speaker 1 (45:56):
I have Mason Taylor at sixteen.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
I've got him at sixteen two. So that's just how
we're orange stuff because so I have And this is
something that I noticed too that I wanted to point
out because if people are doing startup drafts for these
tight ends, I think that there is a magical and
wonderful sweet spot for three or four different tight ends,
specifically Elijah Royo, Terrence Ferguson, Mason Taylor and Harold fannin

(46:22):
junior and how I'm approaching them both in roocky drafts
and startups and rankings, is Mason Taylor won. I'm not
huge on the talent. I'm not huge on the upside.
I think his athleticism and LRD lack thereof, and his
analytical profile coming out of LSU really kind of lacked
a lot of things to be desired to project him

(46:42):
to be a high end tight end. But the thing
that I think Mason Taylor has really going for him
in year one one, I think he's going to walk
in and be week one de clear starter in that
offense and be an every down player. And number two
there's nobody to get targets behind Garrett Wilson there.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
So.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Trade Lazard to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
By the way, I mean, well, we shall see when
your team signs Aaron Rodgers, Alm Wizard is probably heading
on a pack in his bags. Baby, maybe Randall Cobb
shows up in Pittsburgh too, Who knows, We shall see God.
But I look at Mason Taylor is I think his
path to targets and a lot of volume and relevancy
is just clear as day for year one. But because

(47:25):
I think his overall upside is capped. I would be
looking to trade him away after year one. And I'm
very aggressive on Terrence Ferguson, Elijah Royo and harrold Fan
and Junior specifically because all three of those tight ends,
it is going under the radar because where we're seeing
them go in rookie drafts, partially where they're being ranked

(47:47):
and stuff too. It's going under the radar that all
three of those tight ends are sitting behind guys that
are veterans that are in contract years that have been
either okay, maybe not amazing or underwhelming, Like okay, we
could say David and Joku's had some good seasons, but
also has he really been the guy that we all
hoped when people draft him in Dynasty but in joke

(48:08):
next year, Yeah, But in Djoku, Higbee and Noah Fant
are all gone after this year, and all of those
teams invested second or third round picks in these guys.
And two of those three guys have high end athleticism
and the other one has basically been bucking the trend

(48:28):
of athleticism, and he had a ridiculous analytical profile. So
those guys specifically and I've got them ranked. Arroyo is
at fourteen, Ferguson fifteen, Taylor sixteen, and I've got Fannin
at nineteen. I've got all three of those guys as
top twenty tight ends, all four of them inside the
top twenty if we want to include Mason Taylor in
the conversation. But that that's why I'm high on those guys,

(48:51):
because I look at them as you draft them now
in startups are rookie drafts, and they're gonna do nothing
but a crew value once the shuffling of the cards
or heck, dude, like if and Inn Djoku can't stay healthy, okay,
Fanning is starting. If Higbee can't come back and be
the dude, Ferguson's going to play a role, maybe he's

(49:11):
starting by the end of the year.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Who I mean, Higbee's one hundred, He's had injuries, Like
I don't.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Fans nothing special, dude, So like Roo, he's starting week
one over him. So again, that's why the rest of
all these dudes, where do you have them ranked?

Speaker 1 (49:26):
I have, well, I have them pretty similar, dude. I
have Taylor at sixteen, Arroyo at seventeen, Ferguson at eighteen,
and then fan In at twenty five.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Lockstep just where we have him in the overall, we're extitling.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
In the rank and Seay.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
You and I spoke about this in the last pot,
and it's that I think that sometimes we roster too
many tight ends. If you have rock Bowers, you need
one other tight end, right, you need a backup for
when he as a bye week and he.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Gets into cheap and toasty.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Those are the.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Only times you're playing them.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Look, if we're talking tight end premium, that's a different scenario, right,
I'm probably taking a bigger swing on a guy like
Harold Fannin in a tight end premium.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
He's not, you know, tight end twenty five.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
To me, he's probably closer to tight end fifteen, just
because he does have all of that athletic upside. But
him and Gadsden kind of afraid they relabel these guys
a whiteouts after they don't inline block ever in the NFL.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Like that is so many tight ends this year. You
could say the same thing for Loveland. You could say
the same name for Terrence Ferguson. You could say, I
mean all light yew all of those guys like I
think that was another thing that kind of got lost
in the sauce of the draft process. It's like, outside
of Tyler Warren, all of those guys were the same
archetype of big slot. It just like whether people wanted

(50:46):
to talk about it or not, they all were the
same guy playing like fifty to upwards, some of them
seventy percent in the slaughter out wide.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
I could see some of these guys lined up in
the slot. Fan and name line up in the slot
now at or I'm sorry, in line, not in this st.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, it's not gonna be in line, but.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
He ain't gonna be in line at all.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Let's let's talk about some guys that were higher on
than anybody else, right, Like, you're a little higher on
Tyler Shook than anybody else and obviously Jarquest Hunter, So
where does where is Shook? And by the way, I
was surprised to see I'm higher on Shook in than
ECR because his ECR is almost two hundred one ninety nine.

(51:28):
You have n't at one twenty one, I haven't one
sixty two. I don't even like him, but he's still same.
That's just the QBS same.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah, that's me.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
That's just playing into the format. Like to me, it's
just like whether I like him or not, Like, and
I know we kind of push back. I kind of
push back with Jake about this. It's like, dude, like
whether we can divide and talk about the fact of
like how high his ceiling is or not, the fact
that he is still probably going to make starts for
the Saints this year if up maybe their Week one

(52:01):
starting quarterback, depending on what we hear about Derek Carr.
And he got second round draft capital. Like, I'm not
saying that he should have been a top forty player
in the freaking draft. I am out on Saints fandom
and Mickey Loomis until he is gone because of this pick,
because of one of many horrible reaches in that draft.
But looking at Tyler Schuck, he's still a second round

(52:23):
drafted quarterback and if he make starts this year, that
ranking in ECR is absolutely ludicrous.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Let's let's go position by position here, Will Howard, McCord,
Dylan Gabrielle quinn yours.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
If you have to take a flyer on one, who's
it gonna be?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Probably Howard only because we don't know what's going on there.
We both don't care about Mason Rudolph. If Aaron Rodgers
doesn't sign there or they don't trade for Kirk Cousins,
you're looking at a battle between Mace and Rudolph for
the starting job. So like there's an out there.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
I just you don't like any of these guys.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Really, no, I don't.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
That's fair to me.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
And what the other side of this, too, Bagman, is
like I value draft capital and the opportunities it gives
you very highly.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
For much expensive.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
So it's like, if you're not getting top top two
round draft capital, I'm probably burying you in most aspects
based off of being a quarterback because the chances you're
gonna get, and if you're a multi year starter, you're
going to be an outlier if that even comes to fruition.
But can we also have a conversation, do you think
Dylan Gabriel is a serious starter in the NFL, Because

(53:34):
I just for the life of me, I cannot see it.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
I'm dying Gabriel's chase Daniel, I see.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I think he's a backup. I don't think he makes
meaningful starts, Like I don't understand why the Browns picked
that dude in the third round. When I stood on
the field at Senior Bowlin, I'm freaking taller than him,
and there is no way I need to be standing
in the pocket of an NFL offense because I could
promise you I'm not seeing.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Over the office.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Listen, I'll say for Dylan Gabriel right, more starts, more
starts than any QB coming into the NFL in college
ever experienced, willing to hold the clipboard. Not a whiner
like maybe the guy drafted after h He's a team
guy first and and he has proven to be a

(54:21):
very good quarterback everywhere he goes. But I'm with you,
that's Chase Daniel. To me, that's a really good backup
for a long time. He is whoever is the starter
for the Browns for the next foreseeable future, if it's Sanders,
if it's whoever they draft next year, whatever it is,
whoever they sign next year, he is the guy behind them.
He's your handcuff to that person, is how I see it.

(54:45):
So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
He's not the starter or a multi year starter, like
I don't think that like either one of us or
are looking at him that way, like I.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Just you, you made a good point on Will Howard.
I'll throw a little love for Quinn. I think he
could push Zach Wilson immediate for that job. Intua Is
want to hit away from going, you know, from being tire,
So it's fair.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
I'll throw a little love out for Quinn.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Since we're talking super flex running backs, I'm higher than
anybody on Jayden Blue, not a shock. I have him
as my forty second running back. I have him ahead
of some questionable wide receivers and running backs near him,
like korm and Giddons. The next group of running backs
from I have from seven that's like Jalen Wright, Brillion,
Allen Tyche Spears.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
I have him ahead of those guys.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Maybe it's not fair to have him ahead of those guys,
but that's where I have him.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I mean, I've got him at forty nine. I have
him right behind all those guys. So like you tell me,
like there's one positive camp blurb like I'm I'm I'm
bumping him up too, So I don't disagree with that, right,
that's projection.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
So I'm also higher than anybody on DJ Giddens. You've
heard me talk about DJ Giddens.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Where do you have him at? Because I got him
at RB fifty one.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
I have him one spot below. I have him one
spot below Blue over here.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Okay, So I mean we're we're we're within shouting distance
of each other.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Are a couple of spots.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
So RB forty four is where I have him, So
not crazy on him as an RB four. Then Jarquis
Hunter obviously you taught, You've talked a lot about him.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
After that.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
It's just you know, we're low, Like I don't put
guys like Jalen Lane and Quinn Allen. You're higher on
like Ty Felton. That's a good spot to be in
Gunner Helm. You're a little bit higher on Dante Thornton.
You're you're high man on. So a couple guys.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I got a guy I want to ask you about
because I'm I am. So I just moved him up
live on the side or live on this show right now,
like to RB fifty three right now, dude, I want
an every rookie draft and people like using our ranks
for startups. What do you see as the outlook for
Brishard Smith in year one? Like I think he could

(56:47):
be Jared McKinnon, maybe Jared McKinnon plus like I, and
I'm willing to throw out the draft capital because I mean,
we're dude, it's it's freaking Kareem Hunt, It's Carson Steele,
It's Elijah Mitchell who can't stay healthy. It's I say,
a Pacheco who was also a seventh round pick. Like I,
I'm very high on Burschard Smith. Where do you have

(57:07):
him at?

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah, I'm not as high. Probably I have him like
in the sixties, so I'm not crazy high on him.
I guess my thing with him is it's Pachecko on
it's Hunt. That's one two. I don't think Burchard is
pushing either one of those guys early in the season.
Maybe later in the season, but he's got to make
the roster first. And they signed Eli Mitchell, who's coming

(57:30):
off an injury. He could easily beat out Eli Mitchell.
But Mitchell is pretty good, like I thought he was
a good running back in college, so it'll be interesting
to see if he gets a run at all. And
Keyante Ingram they seem to like, like you said, they've
kept Carson Steele and he does something a little bit
different there, So I mean yeah, is he Like right

(57:53):
now they have Nico Remigio slated to return kicks and punts.
That might be Smith's path to to spot on the roster, right,
So I just want to see him make the roster.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
After that, I think I'll bump him up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
But until then, I'm just you know, because of the
draft capital, because I do like Mitchell.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
I think they're kind of fighting for a spot.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
That's where I'm I think looking at that backfield, I
could see it like, I think Kareem Hunt is going
to make the roster and beyond the team, I think
when I'm looking at this back like, I won't be
surprised if Eli Mitchell makes the team or if he
gets cut, Like they're only on the hook for one
point one million dead cap if they got rid of him.
I mean for an NFL team, that's peanuts. So I'm
not gonna be surprised, dud. If we're walking into week

(58:39):
one and Kareem Hunt is the direct backup aka handcuff
to Isaiah Pacheco and but and Burchard Smith is the
guy playing passing downs and the end the guy again
playing the McKinnon role, I could see this being a
three way committee. I could see it being just two
guys involved, and it's Pacheco and Smith playing the McKinnon role.

(59:00):
So it's just how we're Again, this is super early,
and and what training camp is going to tell us
is also going to move our ranks and stuff. So
I could be wrong on this too.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
One more grip of wide receivers I want to ask
you about and just if you're taking a flyer on
one of and I have them in the seventies, so
maybe I need to move them off because I feel
like I'm higher on them, but I don't know. Man
wide receivers pretty stacked. Uh, there's a lot of good ones.
Pat Bryant, Jalen Royals, Savion Williams, Isaac Tesla. I have

(59:30):
them from seventy six to seventy nine.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
In my wide receivers, I have them behind the likes
of Wandel Robinson, rashidha Heed, Yosavach.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
You gotta bump them up, I would bump Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Maybe I need to put them ahead of those guys.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Because I like Yosavax last year, but like he kind
of proved he's he's just a guy, Like he's a
replaceable guy. I mean they like.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
They went out and got Higgins, so at best, he's
ever in the pecking order right like at best.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Yeah, So I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I've got Brian at sixty seven, I've got Kyle Williams
at sixty six, Royals at sixty three, good dude. I
loved and hated the Kansas City Chiefs draft. I swear
like they just kept drafting my dudes. Like they went
and got freaking uh Jalen Royals and added to like

(01:00:21):
just that nightmare of fuel wide receiver room where you're like,
I don't know where the targets are going.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
That's where they're going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I mean, like, but then you have Worthy and Rashid
Rice competing for the same exact role, so like retired dude,
and and then it's it's Hollywood. And then they signed
Elijah Badger, one of my other guys like as a UDFA.
And then they go out and they draft Jalen Royals
and I'm like, oh, man, like I hate. And then
they draft for Shark Smith and I'm like, oh my gosh,

(01:00:49):
like I'm hating life right now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
It's good for Mahomes, He's got a lot of wess,
it just sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
For US and in Dynasty and Fantasy and stuff, and
I moved Pat Bryan up a lot, like there were
things on his analytical profile that I was like, oh okay,
love like yeah, like yards per rounds, good testings. Yeah,
but it was good in some aspects. And then he
gets third round capital and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
He's a motor guy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Okay, I mean, uh, I want to move him up
more than than the rest of those guys, because I
know how much Sean Payton loves him, but over Tillman.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I got him right over Tillman and then Alan Cooper
Hopkins kind of like those that scrum of like veterans
on are they going to play another year? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
If I move him up, it would be like I
just put him ahead of like Quentin Johnston and Romeo
Dobbs and like get like guys like that. So h yeah,
I don't even have I don't I don't know if
we even aa.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
I know, man, Like, that's that's so sad, brutal. I
love his talent, it's so brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Brutal injury. I think that's everything, de bro, unless there's
anyone we didn't bring up that you want to think
we covered it Bro Okay, yeah, we got it. So
that is where we have these guys ranked in super
Flex Dynasty startup drafts. Let us know if you agree
or disagree with our philosophy. I'm a little bit higher
on QBS overall. Deebro likes some of these rookies a lot.

(01:02:11):
Who are we too high on?

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Too low on?

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Who do we not talk about more that you wish
we would have? Drop it in the comments. We appreciate
your feedback. Let us know and follow us on the
Twitter at Bogman Sports for myself at debro Underscore FFB
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