Is Lamar Jackson The 1.01? | Bogman's Favorite Startup Pick In Every Round (Ep. 250) - FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pro's Dynasty Football Podcast.
I'm Ryan Warmley, joined as always by Scott Bogman and
by Pat Fitz Morris Fellas. I was out last week
on vacation, so I missed getting to hear about all
of Fitz's favorite picks in every startup round of a draft.
But I am back for Bogman's favorite picks in every
round of a startup draft. I phrased that better the

(00:26):
second time, I think war clearly so missed last week,
so I didn't get to hear it, but we were
basically doing the same episode just now for Bogman's side fits,
How did last week's episode go for you?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
It went well, And no doubt Bogman is just going
to completely copy off my test and you know, duplicate
the name so you won't miss anything more and we'll
just talk about all the same guys.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'm sure that's here. I'm sure Bogman definitely won't go
too high on cam scataboo. That's that's my prediction here.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
What was it like?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh, come on, and I'm not the only one here
doing that now, Debro is all over the camp.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Scatabooy hype no ture, so not the only one, not
just me?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah? Yeah. What was it like for you together this episode?
For you though, bog Man, I mean, like, obviously this
is a very you centric episode that we have. Was
it fun to sit down and kind of plan out
the perfect startup draft? Did you approach it from the
perspective of you wanted this to be a complete team
by the end of it, or did you approach it
from the perspective of in a vacuum each round, like

(01:24):
you could have gone quarterback in the first five rounds
because that was just your favorite player in each of
those rounds.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
I tried to do I didn't try to do the
you know, perfect team build like this would be a
perfect mock draft. I just went round by round and win.
This is my favorite value in this round. This is
my favorite value in this round. And that's what Fits
did last week as well, because he had three quarterbacks
in the first four rounds because J. J.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
McCarthy was in there.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I tried to differentiate from Fits for the most part.
There were a couple picks too, at least where I
just could not do it. Like I even had a
different one for round three until about two minutes before
I sent this to you guys, I was like, I
just can't do it.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
You just can't sday.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Sometimes the obvious pick is the obvious pick.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
The obvious pick is the obvious pick in this case
as well. So but this was fun.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
You know, this is a very me centric team. You're
gonna hear a lot of names that I have liked before, obviously,
but I you know, I usually put my money where
my mouth is in this. I don't miss out on
a lot of these prospects. The higher end ones are
tougher to get, obviously, so I don't have them on
every team, but I have investments in every single one

(02:36):
of the players that we will talk about today.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Quick reminder for everybody that all of our twenty twenty
five consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros
dot com slash rankings. From there you can navigate to
our dynasty rankings as well. Let it get started. By
the way we're going through, I believe it's sixteen rounds
in this, and then we'll throw out some names that
are going in ADP beyond round sixteen, just to throw

(03:00):
out names at Bogwin also really likes later as kind
of later on flyers. And just to confirm it's probably obvious,
this is from the perspective of a super flex startup draft,
which is why you will hear a couple of quarterbacks
going early start us off bogs round one.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
So your boy, Lamar, he has to be number one.
To me, he is my number one player and Jade
Daniels's Fitzi's number one player, which is why he was
his selection here in the first round last week. Lamar
is my number one. He is the guy that I
want to start out my super Flex with. I mean, look,
he scored more than three points per game, more than
anybody else last season, so obviously you know he's in

(03:37):
the middle of his crazy upside. We're seeing it. But Worm,
I also think, and you can confirm this with me,
with the improvements in his passing game that he has made,
specifically last year, to throw for four thousand yards, to
throw for so many touchdowns and very few picks four
picks right and forty one touchdowns for the first time
in his career. I think the improvements he has made

(03:59):
passing the ball well not only allow him to be
good in this window of Hey, look, the rushing upside
is crazy, but when the rushing upside goes, I know
people are worried about him. I think he passes a
ball well enough that as he gets older, he can
transition to a more traditional pocket passer and be just
as good. Maybe not with the crazy amount of upside,

(04:22):
but he could get to the point passing the ball
almost where he is running. I mean, not that good,
because he's the best runner ever, but I think he
has enough juice in the arm to eventually transition to
being a middle of the road, awesome, high end quarterback
without the rushing upside as an older guy. So as
he as he transitions out of his peak, he's going

(04:44):
to slide from number one overall to middle of the
pack of the first round or the first group of quarterbacks,
then low end QB one, and then still a high
end QB two late in his career. I feel like, So,
I just think you have the best player in the
league at his peak right now, and I think there's

(05:07):
enough in the passing game to make his career much
longer than people expect.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
So I'm all in on Lamar.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'm still mad at the Steelers for taking Trell Edmonds
and passing on him, So that will never go away
from me. But Lamar is the man. He was a
man in college, he's a man in the NFL. He
continues to be and I hate saying it because he's
a raven. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he has more
turnovers this season, just because it's really hard to get
through a year doing as much as he did and
having under five interceptions thrown. Crazy, But I don't see
any reason why he can't. I mean, this is gonna
be year three now with Todd Munkin. That's like pretty
rare for quarterbacks to get nowadays with a good offensive coordinator,
because any offensive coordinator is good usually gets hired away

(05:48):
or they're bad and they're fired. There's not a lot
of guys that are consistently there. I think that matters
a lot. This is probably the best receiving room going
into a season that Lamar has ever had. The offensive
line is not this elite juggernaut unit, but there are
good players on it, and it's really just left guard
that is a bit of a question mark. And this
is an organization that I trust to kind of figure

(06:09):
that out. They have a lot of options to try
and figure it out this offseason. So I think that
the passing numbers will be very good for Lamar this year.
And I'm with you, Bogman, Like if you took out
his legs entirely, I think Lamar Jackson is still a
top twelve quarterback in the NFL if he was strictly throwing.
He's not top three maybe any more in that scenario,

(06:31):
but he is a very very good passer, and at
this point, like, I just don't think you can knock
him that. He's not without flaws as a passer, sure,
but I think he's I mean, especially over the middle,
he's as good as it gets, and even everywhere else
he's gotten a lot better. So I think that he
will transition and get older a lot more gracefully than
people maybe would have thought early on in his career,

(06:52):
where they thought he was legs only. So I'm with
you that I think the longevity is maybe better than
people might expect. I mean, he's still in his twenties,
it's not like he's but you're going to get some
elite production right away and then some some really good
production later fits. Obviously you have Jane Daniels higher, but
you are also quite high on Lamar.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh yeah, I mean he's number two overall for me.
What about you, worm, You're one oh one in a
Dynasty draft. You've got Jane Daniels who pretty clearly is
going to be a top five quarterback any season as
long as he stays healthy. You've got Lamar who's number
King of the Hill right now, but in his prime

(07:30):
rather than pre prime, Like Jane Daniels says, who are
you taking or are you just kind of being a
Homer and taking Lamar? Because except Lamar on your Dynasty
team leading the witness.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Well, it would be it would be quite nice to
have Lamar at a Dynasty. I actually don't have him
in any Dynasty leagues, which is really frustrating for me.
Just just hasn't worked out to get him. Truthfully, it
would actually be neither. I would probably still have josh Allah.
I would go I would go Alan won Lamar to
Daniels three.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I don't think the difference in age between those first
two and Daniels is enough for me to outweigh the
fact that we've seen it for multiple years from those
other guys and we still only see it for one
year from Daniels. That's not saying I don't believe in them.
He would be my third pick overall at a startup,
But the other guys are young enough and to lade
enough that I would just rather have them and Alan, like,
I just have so much more faith in him rushing

(08:19):
for touchdowns than I do in Lamar. That to me,
that's the differentiator between the two.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, one thing, I Josh Allen's a little more reckless
with the ball though he is been with his running.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
So one thing i'd push back on. I don't know
if Lamar Jackson has like top twelve upside purely as
a passer this year, just because the Ravens defense is
going to be so much better this year. Like, remember
how awful that secondary was like for the first six, seven,
eight weeks of last season, And now they've signed Jayra Alexander,

(08:49):
who you know, not always healthy but really good when healthy.
They drafted Malachi Starks, Like that secondary is all of
a sudden laden with talents, and I just wonder if
you know the Ravens are positioned to have real run,
heavy game scrapt here throughout twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
To me, the biggest concern with Lamar, and we're not
going to go this long on every single player, but
this is your first round picks. It's releatant and it's Lamar.
To me, the bigger concern with Lamar, like is just
if the offense stays healthy, because it was the healthiest
offense in football last year according to I think it's
football outsiders like metric of games missed, and that tends
to not happen, you know, year after year after year.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Look at what happened in the Niners.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yes, right, So if the offensive line gets even, if
Lamar stays healthy, if the offensive line gets estimated, if
if Zay and Mark Andrews both get hurt, if you know,
if Dereck Henry gets hurt, I mean obviously not on wood.
We don't want any of that to happen. I especially
don't want any of that to happen. But you know,
it's possible, and to me, that's the larger concern. I
think if everybody's healthy, Like I genuinely think they have
the best offensive play caller in football who isn't a

(09:52):
head coach in Todd Munkett, and they have continuity with that,
It's is their thirty year with them. I think that
matters a lot. And I think Lamar is just like
elevated his game to a point where I think they're
going to be up in a lot of games, but
I think they're going to pass to get up early
in games. So I think this is going to be
an awesome, awesome Lamar season, assuming health, and that is
not even including whatever he does with the legs. And also,

(10:15):
like they're pissed about the Bills loss. And I know
Lamar doesn't care about the MVP, but I think his
teammates care that he didn't get the MVP when they
felt he should have. So I think this is going
to be, again, if healthy, very good season for him.
Let's go around two here at Bogman, who do you
have here?

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Stick in a quarterback?

Speaker 3 (10:31):
We're going to go with bow Nicks here, And you know,
obviously this is not something that we would have said
last season. A lot of people were down on bon Knicks,
but he came into Denver as a rookie fit right
in an outstanding season. Twenty nine passing touchdowns, twelve picks,
three seven hundred and seventy five yards, and that was
and it continues to be not the greatest wide receiver corps. Right,

(10:55):
you have Courtland Sutton, they did add Evan Ingram, who's
going to eat up a lot of tar gets. You
had a talent in the backfield with Dobbins and Harvey. Though,
I think this offense has room to grow. I think
there's a lot of room for Bonnicks to grow because
after like the first few weeks that he was starting,
he didn't run the ball that much after that, and
there is a lot of room for growth with him

(11:16):
running the ball, specifically scoring touchdowns. So I just think
that bon Nicks is the young upside guy. Like if
I can get Lamar in the first round and somehow
get bon Nicks to fall to me in the second round,
I have my guy in his prime and I have
the young guy on his ascent as well, And I
think that's really good planning. In a super flex, there

(11:36):
are values a quarterback later than this, but I think
if I can get two guys that are in our
qb ones for me in the immediate future, it's just
it's such a big difference in a super flex to
have those guys and not have to go trade for them,
because if you're trading for a quarterback, you are overpaying.
If you're trading for a high end draft pick, you

(11:57):
are overpaying. So that's why I would like to have that.
You know, we're talking perfect draft here. If things fail
to me, it would be, you know, maybe I get
Lamar at three and then maybe I get you know,
bo Nix at like twenty two on the way back
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
I feel like once you get to round three and beyond,
you know, you can kind of pick any name in
that round, and you know, you never know where they
land rounds one and two, Like whether you're picking early
in round one and therefore late in the round two
or the reverse, it does make a pretty big difference
in the end who will be available and kind of
the strategy. Like for me, I don't really love bo

(12:33):
Nicks as the second round pick. It's not to hate
on him, I just I would I would almost rather
if I was going earlier in the round. I'd rather
be picking earlier in the second and get one of
the elite receivers who balls because all the quarterbacks went early,
or take a swing on Drake May's upside somebody like that,
rather than kind of getting bo Nicks later, but of
course to get him later it means you're getting one
of those studs in the beginning of the first so

(12:55):
it really does change things, I think, just for these
first two rounds, especially Fitz. What do you think about
Nicks and who was your pick last week?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I picked Drake May. I think I believe he's got
a second round. Yeah, so, and I believe May's ECR
is like three spots higher than Knicks. So you're saying
you'd rather take the three pick discount on Knicks Bogs
than uh Drake May. May is seventh eighth overall, Nicks
is twenty, so I just I mean, yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
They're like right next to each other in my ranking,
so either one, but I have Knicks one spot ahead.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I think there's more rushing upside with May, you know,
And I like, I was really pleasantly surprised by Nicks.
I'm not down on him. I think I've got him
ranked twentieth overall for Superflex. He's twentieth overall in ECR,
so I'm right in line, and I think he does
offer pretty high floor in the Sean Payton offense, Like
he get he's going to get those easy completions in

(13:48):
the Sean Payton offense. Like the Sean Payton offense always
funnels a lot of targets to the running backs, and
for that matter, all of Joe Lombardi's offenses historically half
so that's going to be a priority. But like Nicks
actually did a pretty good job of taking shots downfield
last year too, Andy offers a little bit of rushing
upside too, so I have no issues with it. And

(14:10):
just like Brock Purdy a case where I don't know,
I think there were a lot of people who were
kind of down on bo Nicks going into last year's draft,
and when the Broncos took him in the first round,
we're kind of rolling their eyes. But these guys who
make a ton of college starts against top competition in
quality conferences seem to make a pretty easy transition, like

(14:31):
we saw it with you know, Brock Party in.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
A world of no correlations.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
FITZI, that is one of the biggest ones, like starts
at the collegiate level. That's why Dylan Gabriel got drafted
where he did. He had more starts than anybody in
college ever because of the COVID and all of that stuff.
So it's a great point to make that if you
see the exposure of these quarterbacks to upper echelon defenses,

(14:56):
and you know they make more than forty starts, it's
it's not one for one, but it's as close as
we get at the QB position. Yeah, helps the transition
to the NFL, no question. Yeah, big for Bonnicks last year.
So yeah, and Pennix, your guy had that as well.
Lots of starts.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
So I'm not gonna ask us on every single round bogging,
but I am curious just for the second round specifically,
if you were going to not go quarterback, because you
know how I have, Lamar, I've got at least one stud.
Let me wait and try and get somebody else a little,
you know, another round or two. Where would you have
gone if not quarterback in the second round?

Speaker 3 (15:31):
I probably would have taken a white out because white
house just lasts longer than the running backs. The running
backs fall farther in a dynasty startup as well.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Would you be targeting anyone in particular, like Nico or
Brian Thomas Junior. I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, like yeah, I mean, honestly, whoever would have fallen
to that area. Let me just take a look and
see in a super flex if I can see in
this area just in terms of where we have ECR,
it's got like a manra falls there. Pooka does as well.
Fourteen and fifteen, I probably would have said a man

(16:07):
or Pookah, Okay, that's probably who or BTJS at nineteen. Yeah,
I might have taken him as well, but it definitely
would have been a wide receiver over running.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Back for sure.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Okay, I figured as much. Just wanted to kind of
clarify that, let's go to round three where you are
taking neither a running back nor a receiver nor a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Man.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
I tried to say, lad McConkey here, right, like that
was my idea of not picking the same guy that
fits had. But I didn't have mconkie out of value
here really at all. He's thirty one. I had him
at thirty one as a solid pick with upside in
the third round and all that. But it has to

(16:46):
be brock Bowers, right, Like Fitz and I just had
so much talk about brock Bowers last year. He did it,
and that was with horrific QB play in Vegas. Now
you have genty back there touching the ball a million
in times, and you have Geno Smith coming in, who
is a much better passer than Aidan O'Connell or the

(17:07):
pieces that they had with Vegas last season. So and
I'm not even a Geno guy, right, but I do
think he elevates all of the pass catchers in Vegas.
So and you know next season they're likely to probably
take a replacement for him, or at least someone to
develop behind him. So yeah, man, it's Brock Bowers. I

(17:27):
think he just offers so much incredible upside. There's even
more equity in his touchdowns. He only had five last
year that could go up. He's a high floor tight
end and he has room to grow. There's just no
downside to taking Rock Bowers in my opinion, outside of
some of the guys that you skip by taking him.
But I think running back and wide receiver are so

(17:48):
deep at this point, specifically running back with the influx
of talent that we had, that you can go and
take quarterback. You have to in a super flex, and
you know, getting an upper echelon tight end should be
a priority dynasty, so you can kind of set it
and forget it, and you don't have to waste bench
spots rotating in and out tight ends because of matchups.
So it just helps all the way around, and I

(18:10):
couldn't not copy our guy.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, can I interject here real quickly where I'm leading?
So we did have a lot of like when I
had Bowers as my third round choice last week, and
that's where he is in our super Flex Dynasty ECR.
But like it might be sort of a glitch in
the matrix that are expert rankers, for whatever reason have
Bowers as an early third round pick when most super

(18:35):
Flex ADP sources have Bowers as more like a round one,
round two turn guy, or like early second round. So
you gave us Maconkey as a backup choice Bogs, he
would be your guy if Bowers was not available in
the third which you know based on the ADP, he
might not be if Bowers was in the second round.

(18:57):
And let's say he was adjacent to bo Nicks in ECR,
like if he was nineteenth or twenty first, would you
pick Powers over Bonnicks?

Speaker 3 (19:08):
No, Uh, not because I don't like Bowers, but because
I want the QB there. That would go back to
my point before where I was saying, look, you just
trading for a quarterback and guaranteeing a quarterback there later
is also tough, right, because you expect a bunch of
them to be gone by the end of the second
most of them to be gone by the end of
the third.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Right, So.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Where am I taking this next quarterback? Is that guy
gonna fall from me? I'm just not one hundred percent sure,
So to me, it would still be bon Nicks.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
But you know, I.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
It wouldn't be a running back here, like I wouldn't
transition to an RB here, yet I would still be
taking areas.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I just don't want the YouTube commenters mad at us,
because they were very it's outraged that we had powers
as a third round pick, but that's where him.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
So it's funny you mentioned that because I was going
to bring that up and I didn't. I didn't see
the comments, so I didn't know people were mad. And
I haven't looked at ADP. I was just looking at ECR.
But I was going to mention that I feel like
in most leagues there will be at least one manager,
if not multiple, who want to get Bauers in round
two like I.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
So I would be fine taking Tray McBride in round
three or four. Like so that I would rather do
that than risk skipping the court.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I think even McBride is like a second round late
second round ADP in super flex, non tight end premium
star Yeah, obvious.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Tight end premium. Those two are going sooner. Oh they're
going but yeah round, yeah, of course, but in non
tight end premium. Yet it's good to highlight that. I
was going to say, like, and I'm with you, bogman On,
I wouldn't transition to running back. I would look elsewhere.
I think if let's say you go quarterback quarterback and
Bowers is gone, so you're sitting there in the third
there's a stretch here in ECR and this is our

(20:53):
dynasty rankings from thirty one to thirty five. It's five
straight receivers. It's a J. Brown, Lad mcconkee, JSN, Errett Wilson,
Marvin Harrison Junior. I'd be fine just saying whoever of
those personal preference, any of that group. I mean AJ Brown,
that's more if you were trying to win now, if
you want to go a little younger, obviously one of
those other four. But like, I'd be totally good with Lad,
I'd be totally good with Garrett Wilson. I'd be totally

(21:15):
good with a bounce back from Marvin Harrison Junior. I
think any of those guys in the third if a
guy like Bowers isn't there, which I would anticipate him
maybe not being there even though.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
It Yeah, yeah, I have aj Brown, but that's you know,
I'm a My Dynasty is a three year window. That
is how I like to draft for them. I want
to win that. I want to win that money this
year and then spend it next year.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
You know what I mean. Like that's.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
I want to win immediately in Dynasty and then rebuilt.
Let's go to round four, Round four. Yeah, we're okay.
We are picking up a running back here. So mari
and Hampton the running back coming out of North Carolina
and ending up with the Chargers. Currently CCR is thirty eight.
I have him at thirty five. So just inside a

(22:03):
third round pick for me, and look, this is just
Omaria and Hampton can carry.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
The workload completely.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
He did it last season at North Carolina and it
went off for three hundred nineteen touches, two thirty three
yards and seventeen scores. Obviously he's not going to get
that at the NFL level to start his career.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Naj Harris is there.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Na she Harris will eat in his production early, but
now she's on a one year deal. Man. Like, I'm
not worried about the long term future of Naj because
if he's good, he's going to go sign somewhere else
for a bigger contract because they just invested a first
round pick in Omario and Hampton. Omari and Hampton is
their guy. So you know, was I disappointed to see

(22:45):
him go to the Charges initially?

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
I kind of wanted Naji to get back on track
and get his career going there and he could see
a decent amount of volume. He's always healthy, I mean,
his stamina is Nase's secret weapon. But Omario and Hampton
is the man after him there to be the long
term answer at running back, and he will be. And
I think he's so much better than Nase that he
is getting, you know, the primary work as the league

(23:11):
back by week six or seven this season. So you know,
I'm much more of a running back guy than Fits.
I think Fits's first running back he selected was well
in the thirteenth round. Twelfth round, Yeah, exactly, and mine
is in the fourth year but I think Omari and
Hampton is going to be a stud. And I think,
you know, he gets lost in the shuffle a little

(23:33):
bit because the hype is so big on Genty, kind
of like Gibbs did. And look at where Gibbs is
now because he was behind Bijon. So don't sleep on Hampton.
He is an absolute stud.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
I really like Omari and Hampton the player. I'm starting
to get a little more nervous just about like Greg
Roman obviously loves to run, but he also loves to
split up his carries. And I wonder if even when
Naj is gone, they will find so somebody else to
split the workload. Not that I think Hampton needs it,
but just that I worry it might happen to a

(24:07):
point where it becomes annoying for fantasy managers. Not even
like you can't start Hampton or need to be trading
him away, but just a frustrating amount of other pieces.
Even when Nause has gone. And they for this year
at least, have talked really excitedly about Nause by the way,
in terms of the early offseason stuff. They're really happy
with him, but looking in the fourth round at least

(24:28):
based on ECR. There's not a ton of names where
I'm like rushing out to get the guy. It's a
lot of like, yeah, I'll take the upside swing on
the rookie running back that I really like, like Jared
Goffson this range. I'm just not targeting him right even
in round four. You know, Travis Hunter is risky obviously,
Breese Hall and Jonathan Taylor in this round, I see

(24:51):
the case, but they're you know, a couple of years
or several years older than Hampton. For me, like in
this rate, if I was looking elsore, it's probably a
guy like Ted McMillan, just because I really like him,
and i'd lean towards the receiver. I'm just a little
bit nervous about this being more of a committee even
when Nagi is no longer in the picture.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
The reason I don't think we get there with Hampton
is because I think it's kind of going to be
like the situation that we've seen with CMC for so
many years, where every coach that's had him, oh yeah,
we're gonna rash it back his touches a little bit.
He just can't do it. He's just the best player
by a wide margin. So I think Hampton's going to
be that for the charges, So you know, I think
when you have a guy like that, it makes it

(25:30):
hard to invest in a running back and spend money.
But you know, you are right. Greg Roman has typically
split up here.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
And one other Greg Roman related concern is that his
running backs do not catch a lot of passes. And like,
I love the player bogs, you know how big and
Omarian Hampton advocate. I am, but you know, I just
wonder if that's going to cap the upside a little bit.
And Roman and Hampton will not be together for the
entirety of Hampton's careersly, And you know, because that's one

(26:02):
of the things we like about Hampton is that he
actually did catch a lot of passes at North Carolina,
and I think he does have fifty catch upside if
he was in a different spot. He's not catching fifty
balls this year in Greg Roman's offense.

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looks like we're getting a receiver finally.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah, it's Jordan Madison. And again I am copying fits
right now, but as ECR is fifty eight, I have
him at forty six. So just a great deal on
Jordan Addison. I feel like we're getting for the most
part here, and we do do this by ECR, not
by ADP, so you know, maybe we will get yelled at,
but I mean, look, Jordan Addison took a big step

(27:11):
last season, and that was with Sam Donald, you know,
who was okay. But we know Kevin O'Connell is going
to have always have a pass heavy thumb pushed on
this offense. And we have Justin Jefferson taking number one.
So you know, ninety nine targets in fifteen games, sixty

(27:31):
three catches, eight hundred and seventy five yards, nine touchdowns
scored ten last season, right, I just think there's a
little room for growth for Addison. He's in a perfect
situation with Minnesota and Kevin O'Connell, and he's in the
perfect situation which Jefferson across from him eating up coverage.
So I just think this is like all added up,

(27:54):
a dream scenario for Addison to be in for the
foreseeable future. And he is second in the pecking order, right,
It's it's Jefferson, then it's him, then it's the run game,
then it's Hawkinson. So I love Addison. I love this
landing spot for Addison. I love where he is. And
you know, even if we don't get more, I think

(28:16):
this is already fairly high end, you know. So yeah,
I would love to get Addison here as my wide
receiver too, assuming I don't get Bowers in round three, right,
I'm probably taking a wide receiver there, like we said,
so it'd probably be, you know, my perfect draft scenario
where I am not probably getting Bowers in the third round,

(28:37):
be the two qbs AJ Brown and Marine Hampton.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Then Jordan Addison fits.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
What do you think about Addison?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah? Love him. He was my pick too, And I
know some fantasy managers are a little wary of wide
receivers who derive too much of their fantasy value from touchdowns,
and Addison has had nineteen touchdowns his first two seasons.
But yeah, like, if Justin Jefferson weren't there, Addison would

(29:04):
have one hundred catch up side. I mean, he had
one hundred catches as a sophomore at the University of Pittsburgh,
along with like almost sixteen hundred yards and seventeen touchdowns. Like,
he is a great player. He really is a like
one of the twenty best wide receivers in the league.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Maybe so, Like, I mean he got Kenny Pickett drafted
in the first round.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Exactly, that is his greatest feat to date. Perhaps, Yeah,
I mean he's a great player, and I'm not gonna
worry about the presence of Justin Jefferson. I'm just going
to take the talent. And you know, he's got a
long career runway, Like he's gonna have a terrific career.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Fits let me know if you want to try a
trade for him in our in our league on sleeper
I might.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I might.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm open to move. I got some receiver depth. I'm
defending my title. I could maybe use some help at
other positions, so we'll have to chat more on that one.
Let's go to a round six. Another young receiver here
for you, Bogman.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, Xavier Worthy. I mean, obviously, you guys know I'm
the Texas guy. But let's just look at the way
that he finished off the season, right, And I know
Rashi Rice is coming back, but Rahi Rice is coming
off a major injury. Looks like maybe he'll get a suspension.
I don't know where we landed on that, but you know,
we shouldn't do the extrapolation game. But I was on

(30:21):
the Insane Upside Show earlier this week, so I was
looking in to Xavier Worthy and what ky like the
peak Xavier Worthy fit? See what player would you think
that he would look like if he hit everything? Who
is the guy currently in the NFL that whose career

(30:41):
he would probably mirror?

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Peak guy? So I might I might be getting too
hung up on body types I'm trying to think of.
I don't know who are we getting at all?

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Think of speed Tyreek like I think I think peak
Worthy if everything hits for him, looks like what Cheetah
looked like, right, like what Tyreek's season looked like, and
if we extrapolate the last six weeks, meaning the last
three weeks of the regular season and.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
The playoffs, this is what it would be.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
One hundred and forty eight targets, one hundred and thirteen catches,
thirteen hundred and fifty one yards, and fourteen scores. That
looks like peak Tyreek Hill to me, right. So there
is all of this upside built with him. He's paired
together with Mahomes for the foreseeable future. The worry is is, Okay,
was he getting this big production because Rashee Rice was
out and now that Rice's comes in, is he going

(31:32):
to be back to you know, mainly a deep threat
and all that. I think that the rapport that he
built as a rookie with Mahomes is very good for
the future of his career, especially with Rice having injuries
and off the field stuff going on. So I think
Worthy might just be a better wide receiver than Rashee Rice.
And I don't think it should surprise many people with

(31:53):
you know how highly the Chiefs invested in him. So
z Ivery Worthy here, young guy, a lot of upside
with one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history. I
love investing in him and being able to roster him
and see what the ceiling is.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Fitz is Worthy your chiefs receiver of choice in a
dynasty format.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
I'm really torn here. I mean, I know a lot
of people still love or she Rice, and some think
he's going to go right back to the high volume
role in twenty twenty three, in early twenty twenty four
before the LCL and PCL tearrors, I just like, I
don't know if you can put the Xavier Worthy genie
back in the bottle because, as Bogs pointed out, fifty

(32:38):
catches over his last eight games if you include the
playoffs and discount we Gay team when all the starters SATs,
so he had at least five catches in those eight games,
Like every one of them he had at least five catches.
So it's just it's hard for me to see Rice
going right back to being this target monster. Like I

(32:58):
think they're going to cut into each other's value. I
think that's kind of inevitable. But if I had a place.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
And Kelsey's not going to be there forever either, this
is it for him.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
But yeah, I mean, if I have to place a
long term bet, I'm probably betting Worthy over.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Rice yeah, I don't feel stronging about it. I guess
is kind of where I come down. I could see
the case for either side, and it's probably I don't
have enough conviction to like swing a deal this offseason
to make sure I'm getting one of these guys. I

(33:34):
more just am interested to see how it plays out. Ultimately,
let's go around seven. Very fascinating player here, bagman.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Yeah, round seven.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
I'm going with George Pickens, and it's because I love
this is the most obvious pick I think I even
said it last week, like we are going to hear
George Pickens because I have him at fifty overall on
his CCR is eighty two. And look, George Pickens played
with you know, Kenny pick get in Mason Rudolph and
the Mess to start his career, and then last season

(34:05):
he got Russell Wilson and Arthur Smith, right, So there
is so much talent in this guy. I liked him
coming out of Georgia in terms of his talent. I
was thrilled that the Steelers selected him. I'm just as
mad that they traded him for one stupid year of
Aaron Rodgers and you know Tomlin saying he didn't think

(34:27):
that Rogers and Pickens, would you know, mesh together in
the locker room. I understand he was a problem and
I get trading him, so I'm not like super mad
about it. It's not the worst decision the Steelers have ever made,
but I do resent it, and I do think that
it is going to come back to haunt the Steelers
this time where they usually take advantage of people and

(34:48):
trading these wide receivers. I think getting him, pairing him
together just like Jordan Addison, right, you put him next
to Ceedee Lamb and a high volume passing offense, and
I think things are going to work out for pick
rather quickly in Dallas. So this one, to me is
the most obvious. I think he's the best value on
the board in dynasty leagues right now, and all it

(35:09):
is for him is getting the head screwed on tight.
And it's not about you know, he doesn't have Antonio
Brown off the field issues, he doesn't have domestic violence stuff.
He's just a screwball, right, get him humbled, playing him
next to Lamb in this offense, He'll know that he's
not the most talent wide receiver on the team, and
maybe things fall in line and he gets his career

(35:31):
completely on track. Of course, look, he is a diva
and that is an issue, and I understand people not
wanting to invest in because of it. But I think
what Steelers fans had said about Pickens is he is
a net positive, and I think that is just how
you have to view him. He is a net positive.
When he's on the field, he is doing things that

(35:53):
other guys cannot do, and there's so much talent that
I think it will have no choice but to rise
to the top.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Did you say is the worst move the Steelers ever.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Made, not drafting Lamar.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
I was gonna. I was gonna bring that up if
you didn't second time on the show. Yeah, Pickens is
just such a fascinating case study in like how a
fantasy manager approaches filling out their roster. Because I think
it is very easy to make the case both for
and against him. Obviously you've made a compelling case for him.

(36:26):
Fits do you agree with Bogman's side or do you
see more of the case against him?

Speaker 2 (36:29):
No, I agree with Bogman, and it is just, you know,
like he's just such a mercurial character and like just
even with this blocking, like if he's not motivated, he
will not even bother trying to block the guy in
front of him. And if he's motivated, like it is
like being in a cage with a tiger when that
guy's like locked into trying to execute his blocking assignment,

(36:51):
it's crazy. Worm. Let me ask you this straight up.
Would you rather have George Pickens or Jamison Williams in Dynasty?

Speaker 1 (37:00):
I think I'd rather have Jamison Williams's old He's eighth
spots higher in ECR.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Man, I see that. That is one I just can't look.
Jamison Williams in terms of talent could be right there
with Pickens. I think since the injury, he hasn't been that.
And they drafted Tesla and spent so many you know,
picks on him. They kind of do the same stuff.
So I'm wondering if Jamison is on the outsit James
is much more talented than Tesla. I'm not making that argument.
I'm saying the Lions might not like him, so, kind

(37:28):
of like the Steelers didn't like Pickens. It could be
better for Jamison. He could end up in a spot
where he becomes number one, where there's no a manra
so it could be better for him.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
But I mean, I would much rather have Pickens.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I just worry, like I think if in this range
of a startup draft, I'm looking more for what I
perceived to be just pure upside and Pickens like in
his career. We've actually talked about this tipping a different
show this week. Fits. He has only had two games
in his career at least twenty points in half PPR scoring.

(38:03):
And you think of him as this real boom or
bust type of a player, but the booms haven't been
like league winning week type of booms Canada and Arthur Smith.
It's true, it's a fair It's a fair rebuttal for sure, Yeah,
no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
But it just it.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
I buy into the upside with Jameson Williams a bit
more than Pickens. And you know, I'm really curious to
see how he handles being the because in Pittsburgh he
was not the clear number two option. Now he will be.
And I wonder if if because you said he just
needs to get his head on right, maybe that hurts

(38:43):
his ability to get his head on right. If he's
a type of diva that he is sometimes presented as.
I don't know, him personally. I'm not calling him a diva,
but that is well he is.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
You don't have to know him personally, he is a diva.
So I mean, look, I think I think it's fair
to that that assessment, honestly, I really do. And I
understand people not wanting to invest in him because of it.
But like I said, where I land on it at
the end of the day, NET positive.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Yeah, and you.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Know, so I'll endure the screwball weirdness to get the
NET game.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Well, let's stick with the Steelers here. Who did you
have in a round eight?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Let's go Caleb Johnson, another rookie running back here. ECR
is currently ninety six. I have him at eighty one.
And look, there's a couple of things here. Number one
is he's just going to have so many carries, Like
the Steelers offense is completely built to run the ball
and insane amount. I mean, we saw Nagy ineffectively have

(39:36):
three hundred touches last year, right, So with him gone,
Caleb Johnson dropping in. I love Jalen Warren. Jalen Warren
could see expanded touches, right, But I just don't know
that Jalen Warren is ever going to be a guy
that can handle a heavy workload. Caleb Johnson has already
done it at Iowa. Can he catch the ball, I
don't know, because he was at Iowa, where they don't

(39:58):
throw the ball ever, specifically to running backs. He did
have twenty two catches last year, which is impressive for
an Iowa back, But to me, what it is is
he's so good between the tackles. This team is completely
built to run the ball.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Right.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
They fixed the offensive line over the last few years.
Frasier Fatanu, who they drafted in the first round didn't
play after the Week two last year, is back. Broderick
Jones is moving back to his spot. Right. They signed
Siamalu like they drafted Darnout Washington. This team is built
to run the ball physically, and Caleb Johnson is going
to be the guy toting the rock here. For a while,

(40:33):
the quarterbacks position has not been solved. It's ancient Aaron Rodgers.
Maybe Will Howard works out, maybe they're investing in somebody
next season, but I think for the next for the
foreseeable future, the next three seasons, it's likely to be
Caleb Johnson as your number one option in this offense
moving forward, and it is built around him. So I

(40:54):
think having him this low, getting him this low would
be outstanding.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
It really does have this. You know, he's the perfect
fit in the offense and therefore has one of the
better year ones of these rookie running backs. I could
see this looking too low a year from now if
that value goes up. I do wonder a little about
like we were really high on Breese Hall a year ago,
and then playing in an offense with Aaron Rodgers did

(41:21):
not help him, and now he's lost a lot of value.
So for as much as Caleb fits into Arthur Smith's
offense seemingly, I'm a little nervous about the quterback situation
in terms of that year one potential value boost. But
the fit is so apparent. I mean, we've been talking
about it since April. I like the talent of the
player too. Surround it feels like a very good spot
for him.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Fits.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
What do you think about Caleb here? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I like it. I Mean my only qualm is that
I just don't think there's a ton of pass catching
up side there. But I do think he's a perfect fit.
Like it's just here's a new and improved version of
Nase dropped into Nase's role, Like, I think he's probably
a better player than Nase is, and I think he
going to smash in Pittsburgh as a runner.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I think that's fair in both the guys I picked
don't catch the ball very well, but I do think
they make up with it by being able to get
into the end zone in Hampton and Johnson here.

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Speaker 3 (43:10):
Nine, Anthony Richardson still has an enormous amount of upside. Now, look,
this is a boomer Bus play.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
This is either look, you have.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
An unlockable future first round pick on your team or
you have a paperweight, right like, that is what you're
getting when you draft Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
But his value is so incredibly.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Low right now that I think that makes him a
valuable pick in this range. Right this is still super flex.
And we talked about how it's impossible to trade. But
I said this on the Insane Upside Show. I want
to know if you guys believe it too. If Anthony
Richardson starts seventeen games, he is a QB one, no question.

(44:02):
Is there an argument against that because of the run.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, I think you're I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah, so if he starts seventeen games, he's a QB one.
Daniel Jones is his competition. Look, Daniel Jones isn't a nothing.
I've been a Daniel Jones fan. But this offense is
built for the same type of player, right, So you
can mix any of these guys in or out, which
makes it a little bit dangerous for Richardson. Right, it's
guys that run the ball well and don't throw it well.

(44:28):
It's Richardson, it's Daniel Jones, and it's Riley Leonard. Like,
they have built this offense so they do not have
to change a thing depending on what QB they drop
in there, which is not the case with you know,
between when they had Richardson and Flacco.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
So let me let me ask you this. If I
said there was a twenty five percent chance that Anthony
Richardson plays he starts seventeen games this season, would that
number sound too high, too low, or just right to you?

Speaker 3 (44:54):
It still sounds too low to me because I do
think that the that stich In and the GM here Ballard,
they want to keep their job and they invested in
Anthony Richardson. So I do think that Richardson wins the
job kind of by default. And this is not what
we're hearing already. Already we've heard that because he's behind,

(45:15):
and because he went and visited Neil a trash and
all of that, that he is going to You know
that Daniel Jones has a leg up on the starting job.
I just don't believe it at all. Why would you believe?
It's June? What are you talking about? And Richardson is
such a high first round pick. All the skill is
still in there. He just needs to improve his passing,
which is a big ask. But the offense is built

(45:36):
around him. It's Taylor, it's Pittman, it's Downs, it's Warren
Pierce had a huge year last year. And we haven't
even scratched a surface on ad Ni Mitchell yet. The
offense is built so great around him that all he
has to do is win this job, and he is
going to be a high end asset. So whether you're
looking to fill in a spot or you drafted an
older quarterback, or if you're just taking a swing because

(45:59):
you know qbs are worth more and you can take
him here in this round nine or eight or wherever
you're going to get him right and then flip him
for way more than that. I think he's a worthy
investment because of where he's going, no matter what your
plan with him is.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Fits is round nine the right spot to take a
swing on a guy like Richardson?

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I think it is, And we fantasy managers sometimes our
patients can be short and our memories can be shorts.
And Richardson basically didn't have a rookie season. He played
four games, he only finished two of them, so it
was like last year was his rookie season. And people
used to make fun of Josh Allen on Twitter like

(46:41):
he was a pariah on Twitter, and like, oh, look
at what a terrible passer. This guy is a Q
training camp clips of Alan throwing some terrible interception, And
as a rookie, Josh Allen completed fifty two point eight
percent of his passes and through more interceptions than touchdowns,
And no one could have seen what was coming with

(47:02):
Josh Allen. And I just wonder if we might not
look back on Anthony Richardson's career the same way, like
why did I not get that guy when cheaply, when
I had the chance?

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Look, it's the over correction. We're all guilty of it.
Everyone's guilty of it.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
You reach too high for a player in the previous
season and he completely tanks your season, you have a
bias towards him. It's a it's a natural thing. It
happens to everybody. So or you know, even if you're
just living through it and seeing everyone complain about Anthony
Richardson and how you ruin their chances, He's not ruining
your chances if you get him in a round nine,
So you know he's now a worthy investment.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Bugs it's got a round ten, Yeah, round ten.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Round eleven.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
We can move a little quicker on these guys, right right,
Wor it's it's young wide outs. So for me, it's
Matthew Golden because I think that he is going to
be the guy that is the number one wide receiver
for the Packers. Yes, he went to Texas, but I
think this is this late it is great. And Keon Coleman,
I'm not coming off of it. Right last year Fitz

(48:05):
and I were big on him. We know that McDermott
doesn't like rookies. We also know that Keon Coleman got
in the doghouse really early in his career by being
late to a meeting and being suspended for a half.
And we recently found out that Keon Coleman had a
bone chip in his wrist as well after Week nine

(48:26):
that he played through all season.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
So for me, it's.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Matthew Golden going to It is a run heavy offense, right,
but we've seen Za Flowers have, you know, a decent
value with being a number one wide receiver and a
run heavy offense in Baltimore. I think Matthew Golden can
be that. For Green Bay. I thought it was going
to be Jayden Reid and that's who fits he picked
for this spot, I believe last week as well, but

(48:50):
they just don't seem to like him. Savion Williams drafted
that does a lot of the same stuff that Jayden
Reid does and they just cut his snaps at the
end of last season. Romeo Dobbs was being a diva
as well. This isn't a team that traditionally invests in
a rookie first round wide receiver, and he's Golden is
the first guy that they have invested in since Javon Walker,

(49:11):
So I think he also has the juice. And I know, look,
a lot of people, a lot of haters that are
on this show talk about how Matthew Golden wasn't good
at Houston. Who cares that was Houston? At Texas he
was great. You put him with a good quarterback and
he was good. So you know, I think putting in
with Jordan Love is great, and I think Josh Allen

(49:32):
going to Buffalo where they don't really have a true
number one. I mean, Shakir is great. I think his
Target show was over twenty percent of just talking with
Debro about him. But a keyon Coleman is my man,
I'm not coming off of that, and Matthew Golden is
my man. These are young wide receivers with a ton
of upside that you can get fairly late. And this
is what makes wide receiver so good and depthy is

(49:53):
you have potential number ones down here in rounds eleven
and twelve.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
It's funny I consider looping these guys to together when
I was getting to this point, and then I was like,
well you we'll see. I don't want to force that Bogman,
and then he did it anyway, So that's great. Like
you said, kind of the area of these young receivers
that you want to take swings on, so Fitz, let
me ask you this and you can weigh in on both,
of course, But who do you like better as a
pick round ten? Matthew Golden around eleven Ken Coleman. I'm

(50:19):
pretty sure have any answer to this.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
But Coleman, no question about it. Yeah, and it's just
I do have the concerns about Golden sort of checkered
college production profile. But then again, I have to acknowledge
that Dan Brugler, Daniel Jeremiah mel kiper junior, all the
draft Knicks had him as a top fifteen overall prospect
in this year's draft, and the fact that he obviously

(50:41):
got the Matt Lafleur stamp of approval is something little
Floor wanted in this offense. I just I do think
it's going to be more of an ensemble cast for
the Packers receivers this year. As for Coleman, yes, I'm
still very much in I think the ball skills are
almost George Pickens like. And but like I I will say,

(51:01):
this is a pretty pivotal year for him. We have
to see something like my love for him is not
unconditional if he's getting out targeted consistently by Josh Palmer
this year, I'm gonna be worried, and you know, I'm
gonna be like the Billy Zane character in Titanic, like
cutting in front, cutting line in front of the women
and children to get into the lifeboats. If Coleman doesn't

(51:23):
do something this year.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
That's fair. Yeah, I mean I think that's more than fair.
He is.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
There is not downside, and I think you know you
can find the fault for any player going beyond round ten, right,
but that it is a big one if he doesn't
do it this year, and it's like, okay, maybe you're
just big and slow and you're Mac Collins two point zero.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
It is funny with like guys like Pickens and Coleman,
it seems like fantasy managers much prefer the route running
aces rather than the ball skill guys, you know, like
they they like the sexy route runners and the ball
skill guys like and obviously we've had some really good
ball skill guys like Dez Bryant and Mike Evans who

(52:02):
have returned massive fantasy value, but like for some reason,
fantasy people are not as into those guys as they
are like the DeVante Smith route running.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
A well, Jerry Judy was one of those guys too.
He was, like, you know, a tactician and didn't work out.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
So now, yeah, Jerry Judy is coming off at twelve
hundred yard.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Season with Jamis Winston, the only guy he's ever done
it with, so we'll see if he can do it again.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
I'm I don't know, Jerry.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Judy Deshaun Watson albatross around his neck for a good
chunk of the season too.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
So he did.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I just I just don't understand why it never got
going in Denver. But you know, we're still waiting on
Kyle Pitts too. There's all there's those guys all over
the place that you just can't give up on. But hey,
Coleman is an easy, easily ditchable guy. If it doesn't
work out this season, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Let's got around twelve Bogman.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
And this is another one that I'm kind of copying
from Fitzi and Zach Charbonay. But I think in Seattle,
what we have in Seattle is currently Sam Donald. But
I'm a Jalen Milroe guy, and I want the running
back that's going to be next to Jaylen Milroe during
his career and I think that's gonna be Sharbonay because
I think Ken Walker that gets traded or is not

(53:17):
re signed when his option comes up because of the
injuries that he has sustained in his career. They also
took Damian Martinez, and they've talked about shopping one of
these guys already. So I think with all that combined,
the fact that Sam Donald and the fact that dk
Metcalf is gone, means they're probably going to run the
ball more specifically, with the improvements in drafting grays Able

(53:39):
that they feel that they've made to the offensive line,
I think we're gonna see more running from Seattle. I
think Sharbonay gets more involved this season and he becomes
the man once Walker is gone. I still like Walker.
I still think Walker is a better running back than
Zach Scharbonay, but I just don't think he's going to
be in Seattle long term. So if you can take

(53:59):
Zach Sharbonnay here, wait for the upside playing next to
a guy like Jalen Milroe, who will be one of
the best rushing quarterbacks in the league if he ever
figures out the passing side and is able to start.
I just I'm really excited for his future. And even
if it's not Jaln Milroe and it's san Donold, I
think Sharboney is going to be the guy here and
within the next two years. So I'm big on Charbonny.

(54:20):
I think he's going way later than he should go currently.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Fits What do you think about Sharvioney?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Love him? Want pieces of the Seattle running game, which
is going to be improved under Clinton Kubiak and with
Rick Dennison, who's had success wherever he is gone as
far going way back to Denver when he was working
with Clint Kubiacks, Dat Gary and like, not only do
they have Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis, but like guys

(54:45):
would come out of the ether, and I think that
was the Tatum Bell Rubin Drones era when those guys
would bubble up for these big seasons. So yeah, and
they didn't just draft Gray's Abel Bogs. Didn't they draft
a fullback that Robbie Oots guy. Oh yeah, the time
they're serious. They want to run the ball in Seattle
this year. So yeah, Kenneth Walker and Zach sharbin Air

(55:07):
are both really appealing this month.

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(55:33):
You know, Bogwin, I was gonna say, actually, I don't
know if you want that jersey or not, given that
you like Pickens a lot, clearly he's on this list
today but no longer my heart, so I don't even
know if you would want to win that one. But
let's go to around thirteen here, and actually let's go
ahead and loop together around thirteen to fourteen, because once
again we have a rookie and a second year player

(55:54):
at the same position. To kind of arrange where you
want to be investing in these guys, These are a
couple of running backs bagmen. Spend a little more time
on the round thirteen guy because I know you want to,
but go ahead and include both here.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
And Look, it's Cam Skataboo.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
You can't be surprised, right Like, Look, I have waited
at least a week and a half to say anything
about Cam Skataboo too much on this show, right, but
it has to come out here. Look, we just know
he's a three down back. The Giants like to give
the ball to one guy. It was Devin Singletary early,
then it was Tyrone Tracy, then he fumbled it away

(56:26):
and they started mixing up a little bit more. Who
do you think is going to be the primary ball
carrier at the end of the season. It's definitely going
to be Cam Skataboo. He is better than the current
version of Devin Singletary. As much as I will say
for this season, I'm not the biggest on Skataboo because
I just don't know when he's going to take over, right.
I think Tyrone Tracy gets the first shot. I think

(56:49):
Devin Singletary gets the second shot. So he has to
earn it. He has to do it in camp and
in preseason and in practice, and he has to prove
that he can pass block Like there's a lot of
prove it that cam' scattabuo still has to do. He
even mentioned that in one of his rookie camp press conferences, right,
I had everybody send it to Jake Seely was the
first one that sent it to me because he knows

(57:09):
I love cam is that he said, I haven't proven
anything in the NFL, so I'm here to work, and
you know, which is what you want to hear from
a rookie. So I just think he's the three down
back for this team easily by the end of the season,
and he's going way too late. The second guy here,
Blake Koram for the Rams. I know they drafted dark

(57:30):
Quz Hunter, and I like Darkquaz Hunter. I think he's good.
But FITZI was, you know, planning the flag on Korm
before he went to the Rams, and look, the Rams
were a bad landing spot for him. Because again, this
is another team and McVeigh does this constantly. We want
one guy, we want the primary ball carrier. It's been

(57:50):
Kyron for the last couple of years. Kyron's a free
agent though after twenty twenty six, so moving forward, it's
likely to be one of Korm or a Hunter. Hunter
was more recently selected. I believe Korm was a higher
draft stock, though and I just think Korm is the
better running back here, so we have you know, Korm
is kind of a long term investment, but it is dynasty.

(58:10):
Even though I'm the two to three year window guy.
If Korm doesn't do anything for me this year, I'm
not that worried. And Cam Scattaboo I think is a
starter by the end of the year. So I think
both these guys could be seeing massive touches in twenty
twenty six. And that's why I like where they're going.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Now, Fitz, what do you think about these two in
this range. Obviously a year ago you were very high
on Blake. Koram looks a little differently after this first year.
Maybe you see still some more upside there, Loui Bogman does,
and of course we knew Bogmin was gonna have Scataboo
on here.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
I love well. I like both Koram and jar Ques Hunter.
I hate that they are both competing with each other
for backup snaps behind a guy who had one of
the biggest running back snap shares in the league last year.
That's just a messy situation that discourages me from kind

(59:00):
of investing in any of them. And let me ask
you guys about the Scatabou Tracy thing, like Worm, what
do you think give me this as a percentage, What
are the percentile chances that Cam Skataboo averages more Fantasy
points per game PPR than Tyrone.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Tracy this year over the course of the full season
this year. Yeah, I'd say maybe like thirty three, like
a one in three chance.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
So you think it's Tracy, you.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Think I think it starts off Tracy. I think by
the end of the year it'll be Scataboo. I would
have a much higher percentage.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
I mean, like fantasy points per game for this entire year.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah, including the entire year, I'll go trade. I think
Tracy is more likely to that's Worm. But from like
mid October on, Like, I do think Scataboy will take
over eventually. So like if you don't say, like from
Halloween on, then I do think it's Skataboo.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I'm fifty five percent on Scataboo. I think he's really
good and I think he's the much better be to
score touchdowns. But that was my thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Yeah, I was going to say sixty percent fits he
like that. That's my first Kataboo because I think he
has more touchdown upside than too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yeah, but it's not like Tracy stunk. The fumbling thing
was the only issue. Other than that, he was really
good as a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Rookie I liked.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
And Yeah, the nice thing about Tracy too is you
can move him around, right. He doesn't have to play
running back to play wide receiver in college as well,
so you can move him around and do different things
with him, which just to me means, you know, Cam
is going to be your traditional running back, and I
think Tyrone Tracy moves around by the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I also just think, like with rookie running backs, and
I know the Ringer Fantasy Show, which I'm a fan of,
has been talking about this a lot lately, too. Is
just like pass protection from the running backs is getting
more and more important in modern offenses and with modern
offensive lines, and so just being a little more hesitant
on some of the rookie running backs like taking over
that full role right away out of fear of still

(01:00:54):
kind of needing to learn the complex offense and be
able to pick up pass protection more. It's just something
in the back of my I'm not saying I'm avoiding
all rookie running backs or anything like that. And obviously
this is a Dynasty episode, so that year one isn't
even as relevant. But if talking year one, that's what
makes me lean even a little bit more toward the
veteran who was good last year outside the fumbles, getting

(01:01:15):
enough of the early work, early in the season work,
I mean to make it less likely this guy who
outplays it for the whole year, but again by the
back half of the year, I do expect it. All right,
let's go to round fifteen. Who do you have, hero bagman?

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Yeah, round fifteen, I got Tyler Shook. And look, I
don't like Tyler Shuk. I don't think that he is
a great quarterback, and I don't know how much he
is going how long his leash is going to be
in New Orleans. But I will say this to what
we talked about in the first two rounds. Quarterbacks are
impossible to trade for and they're hard to find. There's

(01:01:54):
dart throws I'm gonna like at the end that we'll
talk about. They're guaranteed nothing, and if they're not playing,
they're not doing anything except taking up a spot on
your bench. So we know Tyler Shuck is going to
get in there this season. So if you're taking him
as your fourth quarterback, which is where I would have
him here, like he would be my insurance planning case,
Anthony Richardson does get beat out by Daniel Jones. Right, So,

(01:02:18):
I think I think it's likely that Tyler Shuk is
replaced early in his career, but he gets the full
season to figure it out.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
Maybe not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
And if the Saints win six or seven games, they're
not going to be in a position to draft one
of those high end quarterbacks. And maybe they'll say, hey, look,
we did the right thing by investing in Shook in
the second round, and now let's just add a little
bit of talent around him. He could be one of
these guys that everyone is expecting to fail and he

(01:02:49):
just somehow works out. I don't expect it to be
that way, but I know that at this point it's like, Okay,
am I throwing a dart at a different position another
guy that may not play that much. I think we
just did that with Blake Korn. Right, That's not what
I want here. I want a guy that I know
who's gonna play, and if my team sucks, maybe I
can trade him to a contender who loses a quarterback

(01:03:12):
at some point in the season and get more than
he's worth. You know, So once you invest in Shook,
he's already worth more than where you invested in him
because he's going to start this year. So this season
at least he holds more value than what his draft
capital is, and maybe much more if he can hold
on to this job. I don't expect him to, but

(01:03:33):
I think the lottery ticket is worth it at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Yeah, I agree, round fifteen. That just feels like too
late for a guy who's going into the year as
the presumed starter, Like in a superflex format. I think,
even if you're not the biggest Shook guy, like, this
is just the right decision and right process. I think fits.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Do you see it differently, No, I mean I think
Boggs was right. Like I also have some concerns about
the long term viability of Shock as an NFL starter,
But I remember hearing raft analyst Todd mcshaye say that, like,
there are a lot of front offices that like Chuck
a lot, and we're really interested in him in this draft,
and like he also there's a little bit of running

(01:04:11):
upside for a taller quarterback. So wouldn't shock me if
there was more fantasy value here than maybe some of
us are anticipating.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
It. Wouldn't shook you if there was more fantasy alliance
uh boom around sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Yeah, this one to me is Tyler Algier, and it's
because he's a free agent next year, right Like. You
can take him as a handcuff to Bijon if you want.
But I have always kind of liked Tyler Algier running
back out of BYU. I just it's a tough spot
to land in, to be behind one of the best
running backs in the league. So you know, this to

(01:04:48):
me is I feel like Tyler Tyler Aljeer. Excuse too
many Tyler's here. Tyler Aljeer is way better than the
touches that he's received from the Falcons. But it's can't
take bees On off the field. He's one of the
best running backs on the planet. So I understand that.
But I mean, look, you know, next year, put him

(01:05:08):
Let's say none of these guys in Dallas work out, right,
you could put him there. It's possible that Harvey's not
good enough and Dobbins is old in Denver, right like,
and even being a backup New Orleans, maybe Kamara's gone.
Next year he signs there and he becomes a primary.
But even if he's behind someone that just isn't beije On,

(01:05:29):
you know, put him in Washington behind Brian Robinson, he's
getting way more touches, right, Like, just getting him out
of Atlanta, I think it would be a good scenario,
and I think wherever else he goes would be nice.
It would really suck if he signed an extension, though,
which could happen for cheap, But I think he's worth
way more than what he is currently even getting touches

(01:05:51):
for fits.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
What do you think bugs, Maybe he could be reunited
with Arthur Smith, who has shown a willingness to give
Algier carries even when he's got a vastly superior running
back playing in front of him. Yeah. So Algier has
been pretty good whenever he's gotten an opportunity, and now
he's not going to get many opportunities this year unless
anything were to happen to be Jean. But yeah, like,

(01:06:14):
and that's maybe a good play for any rebuilding team
to just you know, throw a throw some old veteran
at a contending team that maybe has Tyler Algier at
the bottom of the roster and try to shake him
loose in anticipation of maybe a committee role somewhere next year.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Bob, then run me through quickly, just some of the
names that you have almost as like, not honorable mentions,
but guys going later than round sixteen that you'd be
interested in, as you know, picks later on if your
startup draft, which it likely does, goes beyond round sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Yeah, the quarterbacks I like are Joe Milton, Will Howard,
Quinn you Ors. I just you know, Dak is old,
so I like Milton as a handcuff. There Will Howard
is behind Aaron Rodgers and Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
He could easily be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
The start of next year. Same thing for Quinn Ewers.
It's Zach Wilson in the oft injured to in front
of him. So I think all of those guys could
end up with jobs. And then I put some running
backs on here too. You know, we've talked about Dylan
Sampson on the show before, like he just gets ignored
because the Browns drafted Quinchawn Judkins, and I think he's
gonna have a decent role. So I like Dylan Sampson

(01:07:20):
Dj Gins perfect handcuffed to Jonathan Taylor as a flyer
as well Will Shipley, same thing. You know, Saquon goes down.
Will Shipley is the man behind the best offensive line
in football, So at least handcuff value for Will Shipley.
And then I have Ty Felton to make you happy
on this list, worm, But I mean, honestly, it's just

(01:07:43):
it's a good situation.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
You know, Naylor could keep that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Job initially, but I don't think Naylor is going to
keep Felton off the field. And then it's a heavy
passing offense. If anything injury wise happens, or if TJ.
Hawkinson gets hurt again, I think Ty Felton could be
in line for a ton of targets. And then at
tight end, Ben Sennett is just still still super talented,
but stuck behind Zach Ertz, so a worthy dart throw

(01:08:08):
late at the tight end position.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Anybody stand out to you among this list fits?

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
I like all those names, but really I kind of
stopped listening after Bogs mentioned Joe Milton because I just
started daydreaming about high arching, sixty yard touchdown passes and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
To George Pickens.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
To Pickens, Yeah, all right, We'll go ahead and wrap
up there extra long episode here getting through a ton
of different names. Yeah, thanks to YouTube for filling in
for you know, covering for me last week, and also
for putting in the effort on all of these names
because these are both too. Like I said last week
for Fits, this week for Bogwin very you guys central

(01:08:43):
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everybody for listening and checking us out here as we
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